Ilana Glazer

[0] Welcome, welcome, welcome to armchair expert.

[1] I'm Dan Shepard.

[2] I'm joined by Lily Padman.

[3] A Lily, a Lily.

[4] Alana Glazer is our guest today.

[5] Funny gal.

[6] Funny gal.

[7] She is a comedian, an actor, a writer, a producer, a director, an activist.

[8] Broad City.

[9] I mean, let's just start there.

[10] What a great show.

[11] And the after party, which I love.

[12] Rough Night, Falls Positive, The Planet is Burning.

[13] She has a new movie out in theaters now called.

[14] Babes.

[15] Pregnant from a one -night stand?

[16] What happens next?

[17] I watched it.

[18] Very funny.

[19] Yeah, it's in theaters now, and it's getting, like, great, great reviews and stuff.

[20] Yes.

[21] This reminds me, though, just this intro.

[22] The other day, I was going to bed, listening to a podcast, and I normally do sleep timer to end of episode, but I forgot, and I fell asleep, and when I woke up, it was us.

[23] Oh, boy.

[24] What a nightmare.

[25] Us, it was an intro.

[26] Did you feel like you were late for work?

[27] I was so confused.

[28] I was so, so confused.

[29] Oh, my God.

[30] Well, please enjoy Alana Glazer.

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[34] He's an armchair expert.

[35] He's an armchair expert.

[36] Thank you for having me. Hi, how are you?

[37] Welcome.

[38] Thank you.

[39] That's so sweet.

[40] I think the first run at you was Brooklyn.

[41] Bam.

[42] Oh, gosh.

[43] Four years ago?

[44] Oh, my gosh.

[45] That's crazy.

[46] Yeah.

[47] I kind of don't even remember.

[48] I remember so little in my life.

[49] I remember so little in my life.

[50] It was scary.

[51] Pre -pandemic.

[52] You know, but I believe that I wasn't ready.

[53] You weren't ready.

[54] It always happens when it's supposed to happen.

[55] Agreed.

[56] How tall are you?

[57] Can I ask?

[58] Five, one and a half.

[59] I do that.

[60] I'm five feet and a half in.

[61] So you're exactly one inch taller than me. Cute tea.

[62] When we hugged, I was like, oh, yeah, you're my...

[63] We fit perfectly fit.

[64] Yeah, that was an incredible hug.

[65] Oh, my God, thank you.

[66] Thank you so much.

[67] How tall are you?

[68] Six, two and a half.

[69] Yeah, and how tall is Kristen?

[70] Five one.

[71] Okay, cool.

[72] But for you guys to say five one and a half, and I can say five and a half, we get it.

[73] For me to say six, two and a half, doesn't sound a little egregious?

[74] I think it's a life bit that's funny and worth keeping.

[75] Okay.

[76] And you were born in 1987?

[77] Did I catch that correctly?

[78] Yes, love.

[79] Did I catch that?

[80] He doesn't think you're doing an intake form at, like, summer.

[81] And you've been married for six years.

[82] Did I get that correctly?

[83] And we are year of the rabbit in the Chinese calendar.

[84] Do you know that?

[85] I didn't know.

[86] Yeah.

[87] How old are you?

[88] Maybe that's the same.

[89] 57.

[90] No, 49, 49.

[91] Wow, cool.

[92] Wow, so maybe that explains the connection.

[93] Because on the surface, Moni and I are very different.

[94] But there's a rhythm.

[95] And it might be the rhythm of the rabbit.

[96] It honestly is that rabbit energy, which I'm already feeling already.

[97] Oh my gosh, we're all the bunny energy.

[98] We're like, te -to -te -to -te -to -to -de -do.

[99] And then also we're, like, willing to go back.

[100] I'm like, hold on, put a pin.

[101] Earmark's a big saying of ours.

[102] So many earmarks.

[103] So many earmarks.

[104] Where do you live currently?

[105] I live in Brooklyn, New York.

[106] Okay.

[107] Because I watch an interview with you, and you were in the backyard of an L .A. residence on Zoom.

[108] And you were talking about how pleasant it was outside.

[109] And then I thought, oh, did you get a place here?

[110] Or did you move here?

[111] Were you here for an extended period of time at all?

[112] I was.

[113] When I was pregnant, I was filming the after party in Apple.

[114] TV Plus by Lord Miller.

[115] We've had them.

[116] They're so delicious.

[117] They're just such good guys.

[118] Good guys meets good quality art. And I almost smells.

[119] It stinks, right?

[120] Not with them.

[121] They're so cute.

[122] And also the fact that there's two of them, it's not obnoxious because it's split between two people.

[123] Yes, actually, wow.

[124] I guess what I'm saying is just like, there's so much charisma there between the two of them.

[125] They're cute and they're that talented.

[126] Yeah, they're really cute.

[127] Yeah.

[128] Sorry.

[129] Also, curly and straight.

[130] We got like variety.

[131] Uh -huh.

[132] I mean, it's, like, cute.

[133] Yeah.

[134] Wait, are you good friends with Darcy?

[135] Very good, very old friends with Darcy.

[136] You're so Darcy vibes.

[137] Oh, yes.

[138] She is kinetic magnetic.

[139] Never forget it.

[140] Really?

[141] Kind of trying to make that work, but it didn't fully.

[142] I like it.

[143] No, it worked.

[144] Did you guys meet at UCB?

[145] Yes, 18 years ago.

[146] Whoa.

[147] Year of the rabbit.

[148] No. The other year of the rabbit.

[149] No. What have we found that out, though?

[150] I don't know, but we will look at this.

[151] Rob, will you look up and see if 2016 is the year of the year of the rabbit.

[152] rabbit.

[153] That is when I enter comedy in New York.

[154] I really want that to also be the year of the rabbit.

[155] Just tell us it is, even if it's not.

[156] Yes, rabbit.

[157] Not dog.

[158] Not dog.

[159] Okay, definitely not dog.

[160] Oh, dog's great.

[161] I'm also a dog for sure.

[162] What animals do you guys identify as?

[163] Oh, I love this question.

[164] I'm always asking Dax's question.

[165] He always says the wrong answer about me. Oh, wow.

[166] Yeah, it's rough.

[167] What do you say?

[168] Chinchilla.

[169] What?

[170] No, hold on.

[171] You are not representing me fairly at all.

[172] Okay, tell your side of the story.

[173] Well, I have said a fox.

[174] You're clever.

[175] Oh, that's nice.

[176] That's hot.

[177] Foxes are hot.

[178] Yeah, foxes are hot.

[179] I think maybe I made you say something.

[180] I was like, can you say one that's positive?

[181] That's not insulting.

[182] But somehow that debate landed on me saying that perhaps Monica was a sex chinchilla.

[183] Sex chinchilla?

[184] It had to be sex.

[185] It was, is there any way you can say sex and then an animal and it's fine?

[186] But you mean a chinchilla for sex?

[187] No, no, no, no. It was like second chinchilla in small.

[188] I know you don't like it.

[189] I already know you don't like it.

[190] I don't love it.

[191] It's not for you.

[192] Tell me about, you described Long Island as having White Long Island, Jewish Long Island, and then Italian Long Island.

[193] And you are smack dab and Italian Long Island.

[194] Yes.

[195] And I want to know what that vibe was.

[196] So Long Island starts with Brooklyn, consider New York City.

[197] Queens, consider New York City.

[198] Then really Long Island is two counties, Nassau and Suffolk.

[199] Long Island is the experimental ground for the suburbs.

[200] The first suburbs were literally invented on Long Island.

[201] Really?

[202] Levitown, it's called.

[203] And it was like Army Barracks.

[204] Jerry Seinfeld grew up there.

[205] Okay.

[206] And it's just this interesting look at what whiteness means.

[207] The city was segregated, but then you're all like mashed up and shit.

[208] And the suburbs, you could really separate people by redlining was really first done on Long Island.

[209] And Robert Moses, do you know how?

[210] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[211] He got the L .E. Yes, L -I -E.

[212] And he designed all this shit.

[213] He started in the cities.

[214] He invented projects.

[215] And it was like, thanks, but what?

[216] And then he invented suburbs.

[217] Seriously.

[218] And so online on the two counties, NASA and Suffolk.

[219] NASA today is very diverse, but still very segregated.

[220] Suffolk remains primarily white.

[221] Is that one the distal end of it, furthest from New York City?

[222] That's where the Hamptons are on the Forks, which the Hamptons are totally separate from Long Island.

[223] It's almost only for Real Housewives to be filmed.

[224] It's a theme part.

[225] Yes.

[226] Okay.

[227] Exactly.

[228] My introduction was Fitzgerald, West Egg.

[229] And that's NASA before real families moved out there when wealthy people from the city would move further and further east for their beach towns.

[230] So my town, actually, St. James, was a beach town during the 20s.

[231] Stanford White is a famous architect in New York, who his beach house was in my town, and then I did musical theater with his great -grandson.

[232] How close to the water were you?

[233] 15 -minute drive.

[234] And were you there frequently?

[235] Is it a big part of childhood?

[236] Huge.

[237] So beautiful.

[238] I love Long Island so much.

[239] It is so gorgeous.

[240] And I remember bringing two of my best friends, Inti and Matt from college, to Long Island.

[241] We took the LIRR out and they could not believe it.

[242] Such a special northeast like rocky beaches and we would go to the beach all the time.

[243] I have the same thing and I have the pride of taking Monica to Lake Michigan and I think people are like, hold on a second.

[244] This is an ocean and I can drink it.

[245] It's fresh water.

[246] Crazy.

[247] Yeah.

[248] And I have a lot of pride in that place.

[249] I don't think I've ever been there and I really want to because you know Kristen did one of my political messaging videos and talked about her love of her also home state Michigan and Damn, did she sell it?

[250] I was like, shit.

[251] I want to go to Michigan, bitch.

[252] You got to go in the summer.

[253] Let's be fair.

[254] She could have probably put a really good spin on name shitty place.

[255] I'm too nervous to mention one now, but we all know what a shitty place is.

[256] And I bet she could get you to buy a ticket to that girl.

[257] So cute and likable.

[258] I also wanted to really quick say, so Jews are in NASA.

[259] I was with Italians in Suffolk.

[260] Italians had white people, third, fourth, fifth generation, like white European, like potato farmers.

[261] Ancestors and, like, truly Mafia.

[262] Ooh.

[263] That's what I've heard you say.

[264] Being in someone's house and being like, I think this is a mafia else.

[265] Yeah.

[266] And also being like, I had planned to sleep over.

[267] You would pull the cord.

[268] You would bounce?

[269] I think I would shiver in my sleeping bag and be, like, very uncomfortable.

[270] That was my vibe.

[271] I would have gone the other way out.

[272] I'm like, I feel so safe here.

[273] The dad is a murderer.

[274] If shit goes down, he is well armed and we're gold.

[275] What year was it, is sopranos on at this moment?

[276] Yes.

[277] That's got to be infecting your imagination a bit.

[278] We didn't have HBO, so I hadn't seen The Sopranos until the pandemic.

[279] But it definitely was bolstering a vibe.

[280] Yeah, so it wasn't a zeitgeist.

[281] You're going to be so mad at me, but I do have to stop and ask a very important question since you grew up at the beach.

[282] And you can answer this, too, if you'd like.

[283] But it's a question that came up on sinks, a show that we also have under our umbrella with Liz Plank.

[284] And Liz thinks that everyone knows this piece of information, that when you get in water and you're on your period, your period stops.

[285] Did you know that?

[286] Yes.

[287] What?

[288] You didn't know that?

[289] No. I'm so sorry.

[290] We are systematically kept from knowing our own bodies, so it's like not on you.

[291] So it's not my fault.

[292] Okay, thank you.

[293] I like that spin on it, but also I was sure that not very many people knew that.

[294] Did you know that?

[295] No, didn't know that.

[296] Okay.

[297] It makes sense, though.

[298] You don't want to attract predators.

[299] Gravity -wise.

[300] You don't want blood leaking out of you when you are in the ocean.

[301] It's not advisable.

[302] Yeah.

[303] I mean, that's what they say the shark can smell blood from miles away.

[304] It's like, be careful if you're on your period, don't go near sharks.

[305] And bears.

[306] And bears.

[307] That's true.

[308] But that's not in water.

[309] bear's thing, I'm like, for real.

[310] No, it's for real.

[311] And I'll tell you how I know.

[312] First movie I did was with Bart the Bear.

[313] He wasn't the star, but he was in it, and they flew him down.

[314] Do you know Bart the Bear?

[315] He's a big actor, for real.

[316] Truly, he's a much better resume.

[317] We're talking about it, an animal, a bear.

[318] Yeah.

[319] Name Bart the Bear.

[320] Brad Pitt did a dock on Bart the Bear.

[321] Great career and resume.

[322] He was in The Edge with Sir Anthony Hopkins, many, many movies.

[323] Wait, a literal actor bear?

[324] A 1 ,200 -pound grizzly bear who performs in film and television.

[325] Several times.

[326] A ton of times.

[327] I'm telling you, the career would blow away most any actor you would talk to.

[328] Oh, shit, beach.

[329] And his trainer, Doug.

[330] I am dying, Bart the Bear, because I love Coco, and we don't talk about Coco enough.

[331] The gorilla?

[332] Yes.

[333] Okay, go on.

[334] I'm just taking it in.

[335] Okay, so Doug has these insane eyes.

[336] I can attest to it.

[337] He can do with this bear that a human cannot do with a bear, right?

[338] That's just a side note.

[339] So he comes down with Bart. Other side note.

[340] Bart left Utah where he lives.

[341] He flew to San Francisco.

[342] Then he flew to China.

[343] Then he flew down.

[344] down to New Zealand, New Zealand had never had a grizzly bear.

[345] They carry him in an enormous horse trailer.

[346] He's got a night shoot.

[347] We all hate night shoots.

[348] And bears are not nocturnal.

[349] Oh, this is like sickening appropriately, or am I sensitive?

[350] I think you're sensitive.

[351] It's fun.

[352] Yeah, he's the happiest bear.

[353] Sometimes acting isn't all you think it is.

[354] Like, sometimes it's traveling in cages.

[355] Oh, it's so much worse than what you think it is, which is why I'm sickened.

[356] You'll also be happy to know that Bart regularly mauls the people that he works with.

[357] So if that helps you feel like the scales are balanced?

[358] Oh, no. Doug has two other trainers with him, and they have scars everywhere on their face.

[359] You have to play Bart's trainer, you and Ike?

[360] Like, come on.

[361] That'd be great.

[362] I would love it.

[363] Showing up bleeding.

[364] This is ill. Oh, I'm going to wow you right now.

[365] The proof is in the pudding because Doug has no scars.

[366] The other two folks have scars galore.

[367] And they carry a little baths to stop, Bart, stop.

[368] But this is the speech Doug gave to us.

[369] He said, here are the rules when working around Bart. They must be followed.

[370] Number one, no one.

[371] can be here on their period.

[372] So that's real.

[373] He will smell the blood and he'll get very distracted by that.

[374] You can't even have a tampon in?

[375] He didn't specify about tampons.

[376] Presumably, maxi pads are a pass because there's a lot of air exposure.

[377] I'm teasing.

[378] I don't know.

[379] The pheromones would get exposed.

[380] For sure.

[381] Yeah.

[382] I don't think even with a tampon you were safe to be on set.

[383] That is so scary.

[384] You are present?

[385] For this.

[386] Scary.

[387] Oh, I'm going to hit you with a knockout punch.

[388] Second rule, do not look bar in the eyes.

[389] Well, duh.

[390] Third.

[391] I'm chilled.

[392] Do not be scared around Bart. And if you are scared.

[393] Okay, sure.

[394] Fear makes Bart nervous.

[395] Yeah, me too.

[396] Last rule number four.

[397] Bears make me nervous, Dax.

[398] Don't ever run away from Bart because it'll trigger his predator instinct to chase.

[399] My very first scene, well, any of our first scenes with Bart, I'm standing, my back is to the bear.

[400] Seth and Matt can see the bear.

[401] I'm telling a story.

[402] They're signaling me. Turn around.

[403] There's a bear behind you.

[404] I have to turn around in real life, look Bart directly in the eyes, scream at the top of my lungs scared, and then run away.

[405] And what is between us, Alana, is a little electric cord that's six inches off the ground.

[406] They say, don't worry, Bart will never cross this line.

[407] He knows not to cross this electrified, yes.

[408] But I was all but on my period.

[409] I was three of the four things you can't do is the first thing we shot.

[410] And as I ran away, I was waiting to just get fucking tackled.

[411] by the bear.

[412] I don't like the intimacy between Doug and Bart. Oh, you think it's inappropriate?

[413] It makes me uncomfortable.

[414] They love each other.

[415] For sure.

[416] I'm also like, does Bart have a checking account?

[417] It's Doug's, right?

[418] Yes, I think Doug manages his money for him.

[419] But in his defense, Bart is terrible at math.

[420] He would make a mess of his finances.

[421] Ooh, wow.

[422] Also, I don't think it's inappropriate, but I think it's a little worrisome for Doug because it's like, what's the tiger guy?

[423] He's so not like that guy, though.

[424] But what's that guy's name?

[425] I've forgotten.

[426] The tiger guy who got killed by his tiger.

[427] No, he didn't get killed by a tiger.

[428] Okay, he got...

[429] You're thinking of...

[430] You're thinking of Siegfried and Roy.

[431] That's what I'm talking about.

[432] Oh, Tiger King.

[433] No, no, no. Joe Exotic.

[434] He got killed by a person, I think.

[435] Yeah, not Joe.

[436] We've lost him?

[437] Are you joking?

[438] I'm not.

[439] Oh, I think famously the woman in the dock, criminal.

[440] I thought he went to jail.

[441] He's alive.

[442] He's alive.

[443] He's alive, okay.

[444] Wow.

[445] Well, we got to really take him.

[446] take what you say with a great insult.

[447] We're learning real time.

[448] I don't know if Long Island has two counties now.

[449] To be honest.

[450] He's alive.

[451] He's kind of alive.

[452] Okay, sorry.

[453] He's a version of a life.

[454] And sorry to the woman, mainly.

[455] To all women.

[456] I was like, some woman killed him.

[457] How quick you are.

[458] Okay.

[459] I want to know about a little Alana in elementary school in the Italian working class.

[460] You didn't answer if your parents were in insurance and finance if I got that right or wrong.

[461] So my dad sells life insurance, and my mom doesn't work.

[462] She did telemarketing at night when I was a kid.

[463] What was she slinging?

[464] I don't know.

[465] Have you ever done some telemarketing?

[466] I mean, I've done sales.

[467] Okay, where?

[468] At a company that we based my character's job on in Broad City, it was called Life Booker, and it was a weird pyramid scheme for spas.

[469] Oh, are you not selling these appointments?

[470] These are slow hours.

[471] Offer them on our website.

[472] for cheaper, we'll take a cut and you'll fill that time instead of stand around.

[473] Why not just stand around?

[474] That was the closer.

[475] It set it on the sheet.

[476] It was in triple bold.

[477] Also, it's like a little misogynist coated instead of standing around all day, tuts.

[478] Fill that appointment.

[479] Were you a closer?

[480] I'm being serious.

[481] He must have been your personal.

[482] Yeah, it's pretty charming.

[483] Do you move product?

[484] A little.

[485] If it wasn't a good deal, I was like, I don't blame you.

[486] It's hard for me to lie.

[487] I actually did that job with Abby Jacobson and Lucia on yellow.

[488] And Lucia got me the job.

[489] I got out of the job.

[490] No way.

[491] And I was actually selling whatever shitty appointments in L .A. And it was harder for me to grasp the vibe here.

[492] But probably less guilt.

[493] For sure.

[494] You're like these fucking L .A. people.

[495] It's so far away that it was more distant.

[496] You dehumanized them.

[497] All right.

[498] So I don't know where then finance came from, but the elementary school vibe.

[499] Did you go to a public school?

[500] Yeah.

[501] When kid were you?

[502] You were likable, I imagine.

[503] I was always pretty this.

[504] I was funny, desperate to be funny and really hoping to be liked.

[505] Very anxious.

[506] and thus productive.

[507] Meaning you were a good student?

[508] And more socially aware.

[509] Building relationships.

[510] Yeah, actually my first grade teacher came to one of my shows on my tour in Seattle.

[511] And she was telling me how I used to, in first grade, organize the kids and get everybody prepared for what was coming.

[512] And it's so funny, my daughter does the same thing at preschool.

[513] Wow.

[514] Bizarrely.

[515] She's a little boss.

[516] Yeah, and tells also the teachers what's going on, so -and -so's crying, just letting you know, helps people get their shoes on.

[517] That's how I was, too.

[518] For me, I can't speak for her, but a little bit of trying to offer extra in case I'm not enough.

[519] Sure, sure, sure.

[520] So you can't be left behind.

[521] You need to be needed.

[522] Uh -huh.

[523] Oh, can I introduce Elliot's how much older?

[524] Four years older.

[525] My brother's five years older.

[526] So I have huge little brother syndrome.

[527] I wanted to be cool.

[528] I wanted to be worthy of hanging out with.

[529] And then I think that just invaded every aspect of my life.

[530] Were you at all doing any of that?

[531] You adored them, right?

[532] Yeah, obsessed.

[533] And we played so much as kids.

[534] and made a lot of comedy videos as kids.

[535] And then when he was starting to go through puberty, I was so sad about the distance.

[536] I was like, bye, oh, fuck.

[537] I really wanted to hang and hang with him and his friends.

[538] And was also like, ooh, your friends.

[539] Tell me more about your friends.

[540] Yeah.

[541] But I also feel that I would act like the older sister, too.

[542] There was a comfort in being the second.

[543] The system had already been set up.

[544] And so sometimes our roles would switch, too.

[545] Well, you were probably at the same maturity level.

[546] Exactly.

[547] I think also in trying to prove something, I was like, I'm so mature and I'm such a good kid.

[548] I don't cause any trouble.

[549] My brother had much more freedom stirring shit when we were kids, which is like a natural thing.

[550] And I did not.

[551] Then I think later about my 20s, not even naughty.

[552] I wish it was naughty.

[553] Like dumb shit, drinking too much.

[554] Now looking back, I'm like, what?

[555] It wasn't that much.

[556] No, no. It was dangerous, bitch.

[557] You know what I mean?

[558] Yeah, like New York City.

[559] And you don't remember what happened?

[560] Pucking up with people and it's like, you didn't have to do that.

[561] You know, so I wish I had stirred more shit as a kid, but I guess I didn't feel comfortable.

[562] And also, I went through puberty so young and girls do first.

[563] So we also were starting to go through puberty at the same time.

[564] It was like so awkward.

[565] I just finished my tour and taped it.

[566] One of my bits is like, I got titties at nine.

[567] Oh, really?

[568] Wow.

[569] And I was like, what de thick?

[570] 13 years old and I was like, what do I do with these?

[571] Especially with the, should I just describe, like, how do I act with these?

[572] They're almost inherently naughty.

[573] And speaking of the culture on Long Island, it was.

[574] a very aggressive culture.

[575] You mean like machismo?

[576] Yes, and I got scary energy.

[577] Too early.

[578] Woo, I was scared.

[579] They drew attention to you in a way that you weren't understanding or comfortable with.

[580] Yes, my parents also being Jewish.

[581] The listener should know your titties are actively out right now as you tell the story.

[582] I was just like, is there only one of these buttons?

[583] You've really come to embrace you.

[584] I meant more for the lower half to be.

[585] I was like, okay.

[586] But I have gone the other way.

[587] That would have been the best video segment.

[588] I do wish we had video just for that moment.

[589] Yeah, I'm loving it all now, but at the time, oh, but there weren't many Jews.

[590] We were a minority in my town, and culturally we were, too.

[591] I was curious, were the other kids aware of that?

[592] Was there something visually?

[593] Were they able to identify you as other?

[594] I mean, I was a white person, and there were people of color in my town that were minorities, but it was my fro, for sure, my Jew frow.

[595] That I was like, oh, what do I do?

[596] And I was like, L .O .L. I have an Afro and double -deep boobs in third grade.

[597] I know, I don't even.

[598] I don't even, I don't know, like, a reference for, like, some 70s character.

[599] My back hurts and my hair's curly.

[600] Truly, so, like, just that.

[601] But really, more what it was is culturally, everybody else was so gendered.

[602] The edges were soft in my family.

[603] My brother's gay, and he was gay, and Jews are also visibly queer.

[604] The women are masculine, the men are feminine.

[605] And my parents are chill, and they are who they are.

[606] So I just didn't know what to do with it.

[607] But, yeah, we were definitely going through puberty at the same time.

[608] Did boys like you?

[609] Middle school, yes, but it was scary.

[610] And also, I was only scared of my body.

[611] I wasn't like, this is cool and this feels good.

[612] I was like, this is so scary.

[613] But it seemed like it was working for my male peers.

[614] Sure.

[615] My body.

[616] But you didn't like the attention.

[617] I was confused.

[618] And I wasn't like hooking up.

[619] Is Long Island like it wasn't Michigan?

[620] Like kids were doing insane shit in junior high.

[621] It started pretty early.

[622] Yes, but I wasn't.

[623] They just said this to my husband the other day.

[624] I was like, you know what I remembered in the commons of the middle school?

[625] This boy, Dan, I didn't like him.

[626] But he comes up to me. I'm in sixth grade, and he's like, I just jerked off to you the other night.

[627] Whoa.

[628] And I was like, okay, Dan.

[629] That's a lot.

[630] Whoa.

[631] I don't know.

[632] He didn't know what the fuck to do.

[633] I don't know what he thought.

[634] And yes, it's violent, but also it was Y2K, baby.

[635] Sure, sure, sure, sure.

[636] Like, nobody knows the world was ending.

[637] I'm actually not shocked.

[638] He said that to you as much as I'm shocked.

[639] He would admit that in junior high.

[640] I don't think dudes where I grew up admitted they even masturbated until much later.

[641] Well, that's what I'm talking about with the cult.

[642] cultural stuff where it was like, it was very boys jerking off.

[643] Maybe it was already in a lot of movies because our age gap.

[644] Maybe they were seeing people own that.

[645] It is comforting, though, as much as I'm sorry that that was your experience, it does remind me you can't win.

[646] So like you had boobs, you didn't want them.

[647] But some other girls, like she would have cut off her fucking pinky toe to have those boobs.

[648] So now I've done so much therapy that I'm like, what an interesting path I've heard.

[649] I don't have a feeling about it.

[650] But I used to be really fucking mad.

[651] and I used to really mourn the loss of not hooking up.

[652] I didn't really do it choicefully and enjoy it until senior year with a really nice boyfriend I was lucky enough to have.

[653] I think that would be winning if I was taking pleasure in it.

[654] Honestly, I didn't masturbate until later either.

[655] I was scared.

[656] It's like, girl, go get them titties.

[657] I was rolling around all the time.

[658] I loved it.

[659] What a time to be alive.

[660] And it's just a time to get to know yourself.

[661] Like, that to me is winning either way.

[662] If you're an ugly duckling, but you're like, you know what I am sexy?

[663] I was so scared all around.

[664] And I think no matter what your situation, the way you can win, is taking time and space and pleasure in yourself, which I do not know how to do.

[665] Yeah.

[666] The desire to have not been scared makes a ton of sense.

[667] Yeah.

[668] What would it change your whole life?

[669] That's why I'm like, wouldn't change a thing, bad.

[670] Yeah.

[671] And I'm finding it now, the pleasure in general in all different things.

[672] Wouldn't change a thing.

[673] Yeah.

[674] Okay.

[675] Then when we get to high school, what strata are we in?

[676] And what are the cliques?

[677] Are they generically the ones I think they are?

[678] There are jocks and then chemo kids.

[679] I guess there's jocks.

[680] Can a person say Guido?

[681] Can a non -Italian person say that?

[682] That's up to you to decide.

[683] I'll tell you this, I say Guido all the time.

[684] There are other white people.

[685] You're allowed to let a rip on other white people.

[686] I call my wife a Polack.

[687] I mean, if I can't fuck with the white people, I tap out.

[688] The crowds, the fucking Guidos.

[689] But like picture jocks, but Guidos and cheerleaders, but Guido's.

[690] Kind of Jersey Shore vibe a little bit?

[691] Totally.

[692] And, you know, honestly, the people on Jersey Shore were from fucking Long Island.

[693] No, they weren't.

[694] Yes.

[695] Jersey is part of the mainland.

[696] Long Island is a penis that hangs off of all of the United States.

[697] That gets crazier and crazier, the deeper you go.

[698] because they're not connected to anybody.

[699] And it's enormous.

[700] Three hours to get from one end to the other.

[701] And there's definitely emo, like, giz -stained juggings that boys are wearing.

[702] Certainly if you can call the emo group, gistain.

[703] I think you can go with Guido for the fucking trans -am driving, gold tan wearing.

[704] There's, like, musical theater kids, for sure, us queer, musical theater kids, queer art kids.

[705] Were you?

[706] No, I was a skateboarder, punk or snowboarder.

[707] Ooh, beish.

[708] I love it.

[709] But I read as a jock, right?

[710] Do I trigger you as a jock at all?

[711] Isn't that jocky?

[712] No. No, that was super anti -sorfer.

[713] to be into punk rock, snowboarding, and skateboarding, and BMX.

[714] Those were all alternative pursuits.

[715] It's very thought of it.

[716] Football, it's baseball, it's basketball.

[717] They weren't team sports.

[718] You're only a jock if you get hazed.

[719] So yeah, there's typical groups like that.

[720] And where were you in that?

[721] You were in the queer theater group?

[722] Yes, but I also had like a sort of main generally appealing somewhat good kids group.

[723] Ew, I actually just remembered.

[724] I was in this group called The Positive Edge.

[725] dare had sunk into our brains and we were in an anti -drug group that then everybody ended up drinking and stuff on the trips and it was vaguely Christian it was so off also like no overnight trips with teachers let's not do that let's not send teens with grownups anywhere remotely ever well that's a good question we were a very kind of agnostic family I think we went to church when we were with our grandparents and I would occasionally develop a friendship with a boy and then I'd be like, hey, you want to come on my church's trip to the theme park?

[726] I'm like, I damn well want to go to that theme park, but I don't know about going to church.

[727] So was that happening to you as a Jewish girl?

[728] I was honestly too creeped out by it all.

[729] Yeah, I was not like trying to be a Christian person at all.

[730] Me either, but I was trying to go to Cedar Point.

[731] I would do that at camp with Jews and Hebrew school.

[732] I really loved because it was just sort of like a Jew -y ball -busting nature, if you will.

[733] So you were really embracing it.

[734] Yeah, and I was also always like anointed the token Jew to like present the Jewish holidays or whatever.

[735] And talk about literally the Holocaust.

[736] You were the masthead of the Jewish contingent in school.

[737] And also I had a core group of best friends who are still my best friends to this day.

[738] And we get dinners in Brooklyn every month.

[739] But we were really happiest before the high school group formed in eighth grade, embracing the nerdiness before we had to try to be fucking cool again in high school.

[740] We were so happy finding our nerdiness from sixth to eighth grade.

[741] Eighth grade we were hitting a fucking stride.

[742] It's very rare for people to feel like you and I do, which is if I could live a single year in my life over and over and over going to be seventh grade.

[743] And that's rare.

[744] I think most people don't like junior high.

[745] Eighth grade was good and sweet.

[746] It's almost like when you see kids, their baby selves, they're so unconscious of how themselves they are.

[747] And then they are these little kids.

[748] And then it's like a self -awareness.

[749] So these cliffs of self -awareness.

[750] It's this sweet spot between you have a bit of identity and then yet not too much.

[751] Also, you have enough freedom to get in trouble.

[752] The boys I hung out with it was like, we were doing mischievous stuff.

[753] We were vandalizing things and throwing apples at cars.

[754] And then high school, it gets criminal.

[755] It's like theft.

[756] Now everything is just ratchets up.

[757] Yeah, I also was the president of my class, 11th and 12th grade, which really feels related to comedy to me. You know, it's like I was in the AP classes, but like a C student, not genuinely smart enough to be there, but socially supposed to be there.

[758] Right.

[759] And the president thing, I remember tasting Bake Ziti for the prom.

[760] Those were my responsibility.

[761] Your cultural experiment?

[762] That was just like my responsibility to choose the menu.

[763] But it was the production.

[764] It was social.

[765] It was about talking.

[766] talking to different people hoping they like me, which is what fucking comedy is.

[767] Yeah, yeah.

[768] Did you ever get to go and eat that Sunday dinner at an Italian friend's home?

[769] Oh, yes, constantly.

[770] Are you envious of that?

[771] Specifically, the Barisi's.

[772] Oh, my God, Dominic Barisi.

[773] Her dad would make these fresh pizzas, literally the mustache, everything.

[774] And say, hey, how I, sweet are bringing me in and kissing my face.

[775] And I'm just like, oh, my God.

[776] Yeah, so, so good.

[777] So fucking good.

[778] They got that one figured out.

[779] Yeah.

[780] The Italians and that Sunday dinner, that family dinner.

[781] Supposed to be.

[782] They eat for 17 hours that day.

[783] Oh, my God.

[784] Yeah, so extended.

[785] It's beautiful.

[786] Jenna Burisi, actually, the way she lives now on Long Island with her family and everybody's helping out and her brother and sister.

[787] I'm just like, damn, that looks good.

[788] That's correct.

[789] It's tribal.

[790] We were just in India, and there's a weird parallel between the Indians and the Italians we figured out.

[791] I think America is very unique in its individualism.

[792] Psychotic, honestly.

[793] It's a lot.

[794] I don't know, though.

[795] When I go to England, I'm like, it's certainly not the Italian experience.

[796] Right, that's true.

[797] It ranges.

[798] England?

[799] Have you heard of it?

[800] Ever heard of that?

[801] Just hearing that for the first time?

[802] Did you say England?

[803] Englewood or England?

[804] What did that England mean?

[805] You just wanted to see what it sounded like.

[806] I'm trying to understand what you're coming out of your mouth.

[807] England.

[808] Oh, that is nice.

[809] It's a lot of consonants in a row, but you can make it where England.

[810] I'm trying to understand what the cultural cadence was that you were.

[811] trying to identify in.

[812] It's not a big, passionate, boisterous Sunday family -filled vile there.

[813] Hell no. It's never been, but hell no. You know, without going, it's not bad.

[814] Never heard of it, but it's not.

[815] And I love it.

[816] I love it, England.

[817] You're not in check.

[818] My grandma Harriet used to get these giggle fits, and we would all just, like, silently let them pass.

[819] There's a bad.

[820] Would she ever pee her pants?

[821] It's possible.

[822] Okay.

[823] Because my mom was big and peeing her pants.

[824] Oh my God, that's so sweet.

[825] You really knew you got her when she had to leave and go change herself.

[826] So cute.

[827] Did you ever see it?

[828] Can I tell you the funniest example of it of all time?

[829] What's her name?

[830] Laura Louise Leboe, love of my life.

[831] She took me to a colonoscopy once here in L .A. And so I go through the procedure, and it's in one of these rooms, but there's like 12 beds and the little sheets go around each bed.

[832] You don't really have privacy.

[833] And so I'm in one of the beds, corned off with a sheet.

[834] And then my mom's 12 feet away.

[835] and she's sitting on the bed I started on with a sheet around her.

[836] Wait, I'm sorry, she has a sheet around her?

[837] You know, she's sitting on one of those beds that you could close the sheet around you to give you privacy.

[838] Because it was your colonoscopy.

[839] Yes, but we started on a bed where I changed it in the outfit and got taken in there.

[840] And then I got taken away and then brought back and they let my mom just hang in there and wait on a different bed.

[841] Copy.

[842] I don't even know she's in there.

[843] I come out of anesthesia and the nurse says to me, you may feel the urge to fart.

[844] Did they really say fart or did they say pass gas?

[845] Oh, that's a good question.

[846] I don't know that I know, for sure.

[847] Because I just cannot imagine.

[848] Although they deal in farts, man. Right, right.

[849] Right.

[850] So I say, oh, no, I actually don't.

[851] And she goes, okay, I'm going to roll you on your side.

[852] And I go, oh, okay.

[853] And she rolls me on my side.

[854] And when I farted for no joke, maybe 30 seconds straight, where I couldn't believe it.

[855] And about 15 seconds into this fart, I hear, oh, Laura, rev up the laughing giggles.

[856] And now she's laughing.

[857] so hard that I start laughing.

[858] Fart's still going.

[859] So now the fart is...

[860] Yes, it's fluctuating.

[861] Even like your grown son for that to be your son, that is so cute.

[862] Like honestly, a little tushy she used to wipe.

[863] Oh my God.

[864] G gallons of air out.

[865] She peed herself on that bed, I guess, a punchline of that.

[866] Did you ever see the pee?

[867] No, she just told me. Oh, okay.

[868] I didn't know she was walking around with like a big piece thing.

[869] I wouldn't have even looked in that direction.

[870] Yeah, you would have been, yeah.

[871] I don't know.

[872] Maybe it was visible.

[873] I would never know.

[874] If you asked me what size of my sister's boobs are, no clue.

[875] She could have monsters or none.

[876] No idea.

[877] I know.

[878] I get that.

[879] Don't tell me. I'm sure you...

[880] I don't get that, actually, because I look at boobs.

[881] How would you feel about knowing about your brother's penis size?

[882] Is that triggering?

[883] Like, fine.

[884] Okay, that's healthy, I bet.

[885] But it's like white noise, right?

[886] If I knew my brother's penis size, I wouldn't register it as a real thing.

[887] And also, it's cute in that same way.

[888] I'm like, whatever, we were in the bath.

[889] It's not a...

[890] It's not a sexual at all.

[891] It's like a part of my brother.

[892] Do you think any of this is a...

[893] that all predicted by the fact that you know he's gay and you know your brother's straight.

[894] Does that change the weird feeling about knowing about your brother's dick?

[895] I mean, I don't think so...

[896] Because you don't love the idea of your brother's dick, do you?

[897] I don't love the idea.

[898] I don't love it either.

[899] I don't love it.

[900] I don't like it.

[901] But I love my brother and all parts of him and he has a penis.

[902] Yeah, I feel that.

[903] It becomes not sexual immediately, just like your sister.

[904] Your sister is straight.

[905] Well, that's interesting, actually.

[906] more the you need to not know.

[907] Yeah.

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[928] Okay.

[929] 2005 you go to NYU?

[930] Yeah.

[931] We have this in common.

[932] I went as a job as well.

[933] I went to college so that I could pursue comedy out here and my mom would pay my rent.

[934] And so when you went to NYU, you knew you were going to be pursuing this.

[935] Did that liberate you in the same way it did for me, which is like, I studied anthropology.

[936] I know there's no jobs in anthropology.

[937] I just was interested in it.

[938] So I had a freedom to just study whatever the fuck interests me. Is that how you approached it?

[939] Yes.

[940] I mean, there's a freedom in knowing my purpose, but I definitely was also imprisoned in, I got to be doing this every night.

[941] I was doing stand -up, sketch, improv every night.

[942] I remember study abroad and I was like, nope, I got to do comedy.

[943] I will fall behind.

[944] You know, I really was a C student, but a good keyed.

[945] Like, I got into this general studies program.

[946] I wasn't in Tish.

[947] I couldn't even get into the easiest school to get in because I went to public school, truly.

[948] So many NYU kids go to private school.

[949] And it's such a violent experience.

[950] So many kids go there and learn true wealth for the first time.

[951] It's so crazy.

[952] And I was on so much financial aid and I was like, what the fuck am I going to do?

[953] Is the average student there loaded?

[954] I mean, it's hard to tell.

[955] I think so because now it's $80 ,000 a year.

[956] My brother went and he was on financial aid too, but $30 ,000.

[957] By the time I went four years later, it was $45 ,000 a year.

[958] Oh, my God.

[959] I was on a two and accruing student debt, but I was like, I'm going to do this.

[960] I catered and waitress and babysat and all that shit and did all my comedy stuff.

[961] What was the order of comedy?

[962] What was for stand -up, sketch, or improv?

[963] I kind of did it all.

[964] I was just getting up every single night.

[965] It's truly the class president thing.

[966] I thought of it more as creatively networking and not networking.

[967] Like, I'm going to get something from someone and extract some aspect.

[968] But more, I just knew this was special and a special time and special people.

[969] And the people I had been waiting to be around.

[970] Was polar one of those people?

[971] Oh, my God.

[972] She was on SNL and then she was on parks.

[973] but she was one of the four founders of the Everett Citizens Brigade School that I was a student at.

[974] That was how I got into improv.

[975] I would see her do Askat and there was this Del Close Marathon like to go see her during that.

[976] Yeah, it was really cool.

[977] But who was around?

[978] I'm thinking of the people who were just a couple years ahead of me like Aubrey Plaza and Donald Glover and Adam Pallion, Ben Schwartz.

[979] She's my age.

[980] I also did it used to be.

[981] I did it here though.

[982] And it's that Jen.

[983] Did you have Eugene Cordare?

[984] I guess in New York.

[985] Eugene was one of my teachers.

[986] Bobby Moynihan was one of my coaches.

[987] Anthony Atamanek Pally was one of our coaches I'm laughing he was like not wanting to co -dress I love him Who?

[988] Pally, Adam Palley I cannot imagine him being responsible Yeah, just giving like reluctant improv notes Giving improv notes is just hard I couldn't do that I wasn't good at improv either I had trouble letting go into it And finding what came up I liked sketch and stand up better More control Yeah so Abby and I were in a group You would audition to be a part of the UCB establishment and we just couldn't get in and couldn't get in.

[989] And finally we were like, let's do something ourselves.

[990] And when we started making Broad City, it was like, oh my fucking God, this is the thing we're supposed to be doing because it's that same class president thing, organizing, talking to people and creating your own system, creating spreadsheets, creating a production calendar, which we didn't know that this was a production calendar.

[991] We didn't know we were making a PR list.

[992] And my brother and I really started in the scene together and he had his spreadsheet of blogs.

[993] Blogs used to be a thing.

[994] That was really writing and producing and acting and directing, doing the, you know, multi -hyphenate thing.

[995] I felt like I was hitting in a pocket.

[996] That was your lane.

[997] Whereas you weren't popping as an improv artist or making the Herald team, this had a combination of skills that you were built to do.

[998] Yeah.

[999] How does polar come into the mix?

[1000] Because now you're and I's timeline sinks up a bit.

[1001] So I do a movie with Arnett in 2006.

[1002] I start going to UCB, New York, because I'm hanging around that whole thing.

[1003] And so I know that vibe.

[1004] It was so intoxicating.

[1005] Can I pause there for a talking about intoxicating.

[1006] You know, this was pre.

[1007] We all had razors and we're post Nokia.

[1008] We're hard into the razor era.

[1009] But nobody's extracting presence from life.

[1010] People are still present.

[1011] And you can't capture every fucking moment or secretly record shit.

[1012] Do you know Tom Power?

[1013] He's a Canadian interviewer.

[1014] And he's 1987 too.

[1015] He's who you were in the backyard with.

[1016] Yes.

[1017] His birthday's May. Yours is April.

[1018] Yes.

[1019] And I'm wearing my kids headphones.

[1020] We've discovered this thing of like, this feels to me anyway.

[1021] Like the last hurrah.

[1022] The last scene.

[1023] Right before Prohibition.

[1024] You got the last.

[1025] I know.

[1026] There's still scenes in New York and people are doing gritty stuff and queer scenes are always necessary.

[1027] Safe queer spaces and for queer people of color and black queer people.

[1028] But it feels like the last maybe broader scene.

[1029] Comedy.

[1030] It was just like this rock and roll period of crazy shit happening and also crazy shit happening bad and good.

[1031] I'm not even saying it's better.

[1032] I'm so glad that some stuff that was happening isn't, but it was intoxicating.

[1033] The thing that should be missed in more.

[1034] is that you could take a big swing on a Friday night.

[1035] You could learn real time that was over the line, and then you could come back the next night, and then you could adjust and improve and do whatever.

[1036] There's a geological record of everything that's done now.

[1037] So I would imagine you're experimenting in a much more confined box than you used to.

[1038] But there was also no canceling, and there was no checking.

[1039] Cancel culture, I think, is kind of just fake, too.

[1040] You think it's a moral panic?

[1041] I think cancel culture is people whining that they can't be as insulting as they used to be.

[1042] I don't think it's binary.

[1043] I think that's like left -right.

[1044] I think currently the options on the table are binary.

[1045] If you're a far -right conservative, it's ruling the planet right now, cancel culture.

[1046] And if you're on the very far left, you're like, it's not even a thing, and that's not true.

[1047] And I think it is definitely in the middle of that.

[1048] Yes, because some people get like taken down and they have to disappear.

[1049] Many people do, and nor is it people are dropping in droves.

[1050] Yeah, right.

[1051] So I just think both sides are exaggerating.

[1052] I appreciate that.

[1053] But there was no checking at that time, even.

[1054] Can I argue, though?

[1055] There's checking in that, even in any given day, there is a cultural appetite for certain things.

[1056] And people stepped over the line and just simply, it would bomb.

[1057] You would go too far.

[1058] And people would be like, and it's not funny.

[1059] There were still mores then.

[1060] There were still cultural norms.

[1061] You did go over the line, and there was no laughs.

[1062] So even if you weren't checking yourself for some self -actualized goal, you were trying to get laughs.

[1063] But you mean more behind the scenes, little bit, right?

[1064] I think I'm just realizing it's just that the comedy was different.

[1065] Like, in the UCB scene, which was primarily white and primarily male, I remember this guy talking about watching bad boys, and he was talking about it ironically.

[1066] And I remember being like, what's the joke, though?

[1067] Also, coming out of our teen years, which was so fucking violent.

[1068] Where were our girls at at that time, Amanda Bynes and Lindsay Lohan and Britney Spears?

[1069] You know, it's like starting to edge over the comedy at that time.

[1070] And Jay Leno's like, I mean, Amy Winehouse, that's mainstream.

[1071] So I think also what I'm talking about, I'm like, people weren't checked.

[1072] No, the comedy was different at the time.

[1073] Yeah, absolutely.

[1074] At the Groundlings, what we did was, I don't know if they still do this.

[1075] So there were pretty strict guidelines at the Groundlings, even when I was going through in 1996, which was, you couldn't play a different ethnicity that was off the table.

[1076] You could play other white people.

[1077] Like, I could be a Guido, as we previously discussed.

[1078] Yeah, I love it.

[1079] There were words you couldn't say, but once a year we had a show called Taking Out the Trash.

[1080] And this is where everyone came and let it fucking rip.

[1081] And mind you, it's a multicultural, multi -gen.

[1082] gendered group and everyone's represented.

[1083] And it was vile.

[1084] Hilarious.

[1085] And it's to blow all that carbon out.

[1086] And I just wonder, not that that show should exist, but I can't imagine it still exists.

[1087] But that was just an interesting approach to it.

[1088] Yeah.

[1089] Just feel so different even that we used to have dirtiest sketch show and just like people's dicks on stage.

[1090] So many dicks in that time in comedy.

[1091] Some that were cool, some that were not.

[1092] And pussies.

[1093] A girl took her tampon out on stage.

[1094] Right.

[1095] And like at DCM, there was crazy shit that would go down.

[1096] I do miss those spaces for darkness.

[1097] Lawless.

[1098] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1099] It's almost like Halloween.

[1100] You need a Halloween night in comedy.

[1101] Well, also, it's just letting a pocket of your brain open for a second, just because you're human.

[1102] You want to be brave enough to trust yourself that you're allowed to wander there and then come back.

[1103] That's right.

[1104] So I've never seen you do stand up.

[1105] I'm embarrassed to admit.

[1106] I'm so excited about my last hour and just taped it and finish this tour.

[1107] And I can't wait for you to see it.

[1108] What theater were you at?

[1109] The Elgin and Winter Garden Theater in Toronto.

[1110] Oh, okay.

[1111] And you don't have to be embarrassed.

[1112] I'm not known for it.

[1113] And it's taken me a long time to get to this place where I am now, where I am taking so much pleasure in it that I enjoy sharing it this way.

[1114] Well, would you agree?

[1115] We've just interviewed a series of stand -ups, and there's a pretty well -held consensus that it's a decade -long experience.

[1116] Now we're 18 years out from you first trying, and I would imagine you have a skill set now that probably is weirdly invigorating.

[1117] Also, to approach it more like a writer's room and a system, and writing some jokes, talking about them with my husband, literally getting his pitches, trying them out, seeing what works, recording it, writing out what doesn't, getting a couple people together pitching them, workshopping, going out.

[1118] My husband, David, and my manager, Susie, were like, take more people in, take more care.

[1119] Approach it like a movie or a show you're creating.

[1120] I have more experience with, like, a show I'm creating.

[1121] And then my coordinator who pitched herself to be my tour manager, Madeline Kim, we just wrapped 52 shows over the course of the course.

[1122] 11 months.

[1123] Always the default culture of anything in our world is so violent and narrow.

[1124] And it was like, you got to do weekends if you really want to be a road dog.

[1125] I was like weekends.

[1126] That's when I unravel with my family.

[1127] That's really going to fuck me up and talked about it with my husband.

[1128] He was like, do Thursdays and Fridays.

[1129] So instead of doing three months where I'm a monster, I did 11 months where I'm awesome.

[1130] And it was incredible.

[1131] And with Madeline too, editing and talking about it and getting her notes and at first being like, I don't know.

[1132] And then being like, what?

[1133] You know what?

[1134] Actually, Actually, I really love her taste and everything else.

[1135] Opening my heart.

[1136] You're letting go of control.

[1137] And you like control, I think I've figured out in this last hour and 15.

[1138] And also control of even who I am.

[1139] I'm in a place with my therapy.

[1140] You just kind of watch who you are as it comes up.

[1141] You don't even control who you fucking are.

[1142] Right.

[1143] Right.

[1144] You know, the thoughts come up.

[1145] I think when you try to control who you are, it's not successful weirdly.

[1146] More what I observe is, oh yeah, when you are a state of flow and you're you, it yields something.

[1147] This version of you that's curated and crafted, isn't that.

[1148] appealing to anyone.

[1149] But even this individualism thing, I mean, it's all ego.

[1150] We're plants.

[1151] We're animals.

[1152] We're not really me. I'm mostly patterns that I got from Long Island in the 90s.

[1153] And a ton of genetics.

[1154] Ashkenazi Jews are always 100 % Ashkenazi fucking Jews.

[1155] A ton of dense Ashkenazi genetics.

[1156] That sweet Ashkenazi strain.

[1157] It's actually scary.

[1158] You don't control it.

[1159] And giving up control of even who I think I am.

[1160] And damn, also the pandemic, I have an hour out on Amazon and I can't even watch it.

[1161] I can't really even watch Broad City, which I love so much, but it was like so painful and it was part of this manic slew of getting so much stuff out after Broad City ended where it's like, no, I won't stop, I won't stop, I won't stop.

[1162] Then when the pandemic hit, I didn't do stand up for like a year or two, and that forced pause while doing more therapy than I ever had before, and then the experience of getting pregnant and creating something without ever thinking about it.

[1163] I've learned to take pleasure in a new way in the past two years.

[1164] I've had so much fun.

[1165] I feel truly on my knees grateful to God for this experience.

[1166] So I did two shows.

[1167] And the first night I was like, I got the words out.

[1168] Because when people do stand -up specials, they record a couple of nights or maybe even more.

[1169] And then they edit together.

[1170] Five -second story.

[1171] I know the lawyer of Richard Pryor.

[1172] And he had signed this mega contract.

[1173] And he came the first night in this really loud blue leather suit and then he showed up the next night in a red leather suit and then like Richard you might as well not do this show we're not going to be able to and I just thought what an incredible thing to show up the opposite and what if they were cut in that's so funny and cute too that is cute but the second night I had so much talking to myself before shows because I was quite nervous this past year but being like I aim to take pleasure in this right the process rather than being like just have fun because then I'm fucking failing at something possibly.

[1174] Oh, sure, sure.

[1175] Rather than like aim, we'll see what happens.

[1176] And then that was how I was the second night, but I took so much pleasure in it.

[1177] I was like, damn.

[1178] How wonderful.

[1179] Now, your husband who you've mentioned a few times now, David, he's a computational biologist.

[1180] Yeah.

[1181] What on earth is that?

[1182] And how does he have any credentials in judging your comedy?

[1183] So he got his Ph .D. in, is it competition biology?

[1184] I don't know.

[1185] But what he knows is molecular modeling of molecules when you, you look at diseases.

[1186] So viruses and stuff, he looks like that.

[1187] Yeah, proteins, which are viruses?

[1188] Everything's made of proteins.

[1189] That's right.

[1190] Is he employed in this capacity?

[1191] He has a biotech startup.

[1192] Wow.

[1193] Okay, David.

[1194] Okay, David.

[1195] Okay, David.

[1196] Okay, David.

[1197] PhD.

[1198] Yeah, it's grueling.

[1199] How did you guys meet?

[1200] This is a lovely counterintuitive union.

[1201] Oh, my gosh.

[1202] We met in Washington Square Park.

[1203] And it was like a horny, hazy New York Friday, the last Friday in June in 2012.

[1204] Everyone's like just looking to do it And I was on the east catwalk Truly giving cruising energy No, I was sitting I was posted up And it's just a gorgeous day And everybody's beautiful You have like a coffee or anything?

[1205] Handbag?

[1206] Nothing.

[1207] I have a crossword puzzle What was the look?

[1208] What was your space work?

[1209] Arms up, legs crossed, bike locked.

[1210] Oh, okay.

[1211] And just staring at everybody.

[1212] That's all you have to do when your young woman is stare but also everybody's so fucking beautiful and like glistening and I'm looking up north toward the arch arc, I don't know what people call it, and he walks from my left to right and we immediately were like immediate.

[1213] Is there an age gap, same age?

[1214] He's seven years old than me. Perfect.

[1215] Yes, truly perfect.

[1216] Daddy.

[1217] Harry Daddy.

[1218] Harry Jewish daddy.

[1219] Okay, so he's walking left to right and we giggle, and we're like, what?

[1220] And then he walks past.

[1221] And he turns around, and I'm just staring like, yeah, beach.

[1222] And we, like, take a second, and my, like, heart stops, and he keeps walking.

[1223] He does it again, he turns around, and I'm like, no verbal, but energy is, yes, bitch.

[1224] Turns around a third time, like, comedy comes in threes, truly three times.

[1225] And then he leaves.

[1226] And I was like, what the fuck?

[1227] Oh, my God.

[1228] Oh, my God.

[1229] And I'm, like, literally, my heart is coming down.

[1230] And I call my best friend Inti, and I was like, holy shit.

[1231] I just saw, like, a really hot dude, what the fuck?

[1232] And what's up with you?

[1233] We start chatting.

[1234] And then eight minutes later, David returns, walking right to left, comes back from the same place he had gone.

[1235] He was finishing his Ph .D. at NYU at the time and needed to get a charger and was sort of testing fate a little bit.

[1236] And it was honestly good to just, like, catch my breath.

[1237] And then we chatted for 45 minutes.

[1238] He stopped.

[1239] And he said, do you have a charger?

[1240] No, he went to go get his charger.

[1241] Okay.

[1242] And then he re -approaches, and I was like, got to go bitch, bite.

[1243] Hang up, stood up and said hello.

[1244] You stood up and said hello.

[1245] Yes.

[1246] Oh, you bastard.

[1247] He had short hair at the time, but I remember him just, like, tucking phantom hair behind his ear.

[1248] Oh, nice.

[1249] He just did the motion of tucking, but there was nothing to tuck.

[1250] And he said, hi.

[1251] And I was like, oh, my God.

[1252] I had just watched Eune McGregor's beginners, and David kind of looks like a Jewish Ewan McGregor.

[1253] I was like, did anybody ever tell you you like, you and McGregor?

[1254] Like, don't know what the fuck else said.

[1255] Great question, though.

[1256] Yeah.

[1257] Well, it's honestly, like, just be quiet.

[1258] No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Alana.

[1259] Yeah, it worked out.

[1260] Gregor is gorgeous.

[1261] If someone tells me I look like you and McGregor, I'm like, fuck me, you're blind and my score.

[1262] Yeah.

[1263] That's a great.

[1264] Okay, good.

[1265] So then we chatted for 45 minutes.

[1266] And then I was like, I got to go babysit dog.

[1267] I got to go make cashola, okay?

[1268] I'm doing improv sketch and stand up at night.

[1269] And I'm going to have student debt, so I got to go babysit.

[1270] I don't want to fall in love.

[1271] I want like another friend and lover, please.

[1272] He was like, would you want to get a drink tonight?

[1273] And I was like, no. But then I was babysitting.

[1274] We're texting, and his texting, I'm like, this person is smart.

[1275] Oh, yeah, that makes me horny.

[1276] I was like, yeah, okay, we can meet.

[1277] And so you guys hung out that night.

[1278] Hung out, hooked up.

[1279] What year was that?

[1280] 2012.

[1281] That's a long time.

[1282] I know.

[1283] Broad City was 2009 and 2011.

[1284] I met David after FX had passed on the script.

[1285] We wrote a script for a year with them, developed.

[1286] And then they were like, nope, girls is on the air later.

[1287] And we're like, oh, totally.

[1288] Also, to have that notes process was lit.

[1289] And then going back to Comedy Central with that experience, it was perfect.

[1290] I've sold two things at FX, had two notes things, and I loved it there.

[1291] Even though both things didn't get made, there was a spirit there that actually felt like trying to make the best thing.

[1292] And also genuinely figuring out, is this good for us?

[1293] And it wasn't.

[1294] I'm saying the girls saying almost facetiously because we were different and we wouldn't have been good on FX.

[1295] So you met him after a Broad City?

[1296] He had no idea about the web series.

[1297] And FX had passed.

[1298] Comedy Central hadn't picked it up yet.

[1299] We knew each other before everything.

[1300] The web series.

[1301] The web series started in 2009.

[1302] I met David in 2012.

[1303] We had done 35 short films, sold a pilot, and then got dropped.

[1304] Hadn't been picked up yet by Comedy Central.

[1305] What years was Broad City at Comedy Central?

[1306] Broad City at Comedy Central, so they...

[1307] Oh, my gosh.

[1308] I don't want to take you back into a traumatic place.

[1309] No, it's so beautiful to remember.

[1310] In June 2012, when I met David, and then shortly after, they were like, we want to make the pilot.

[1311] It took from July till November for it to come together.

[1312] We shot in November.

[1313] And then in March 2013, they were like, we're going to make the series, which was the craziest.

[1314] fucking thing.

[1315] Actually, I was shooting an episode of my web series, Chronic Gamer Girl.

[1316] I used to get high and play video games.

[1317] Okay, great.

[1318] And I was like, guys, hold on one second.

[1319] I got to take this call.

[1320] And I go and get this news.

[1321] And I'm like, oh, can't handle this.

[1322] I got to go finish Chronic Gamer Girl.

[1323] You were a content machine.

[1324] To take away anything from this, if you're trying to become anything, you just do it.

[1325] You just make shit.

[1326] You become the organizer.

[1327] You put people's shoes on.

[1328] Eventually something.

[1329] You have a desperate need for approval.

[1330] A bottomless pit for validation and affection.

[1331] No validations high enough, nor will last.

[1332] So then 2013, they're like, okay, go.

[1333] And we're like, fuck.

[1334] So we have from April to December to write and shoot and edit 10 episodes.

[1335] And then season one was January 2014.

[1336] And then we made five seasons from 2014, pretty much every winter, beginning of spring, through 2019.

[1337] So me and Abby's experience with Broad City was from 2009 to 2019, a 10 year.

[1338] A 10 -year fucking experience.

[1339] I was manic.

[1340] I made a movie.

[1341] I went on tour.

[1342] I made a stand -up special.

[1343] It was painful.

[1344] But you grieved it, I assume.

[1345] I was denying the grievel.

[1346] I was absolutely running away.

[1347] And also, we ended it.

[1348] We ended it.

[1349] We knew it had to end.

[1350] Our contract was for seven seasons.

[1351] And we were like, no, we can't do this anymore.

[1352] It ran its course.

[1353] It's about to devour itself.

[1354] Yeah.

[1355] And was the manic episode brought on by fear of I will never, do something again?

[1356] Absolutely.

[1357] Who am I even?

[1358] Who am I outside of Broad City?

[1359] Oh my God, it was so painful, but I didn't grieve it probably until COVID.

[1360] How did Abby do with it?

[1361] We were both in so much pain.

[1362] Yeah.

[1363] Also, like, growing pains.

[1364] We ended it.

[1365] We knew we had to, but it was so painful.

[1366] Well, I imagine, too, there's this weird dichotomy of it's a ton of work.

[1367] You also want it to be over.

[1368] So it's like, you want it to be over.

[1369] And then it's over and you're like, I do not want us to be over.

[1370] Broad City itself was actually so painful in so many ways, because We were so hard on ourselves.

[1371] We did not have boundaries with our personal lives.

[1372] We were working all the fucking time.

[1373] It was so big and no time to process.

[1374] Did you ever feel like you were missing out on a lot of opportunity by doing it?

[1375] Yes.

[1376] It took us 11 months to make each season.

[1377] We had this joke where we would count the months and then all our fingers would be taken up.

[1378] And we'd be like, it's going to take the whole year, dude.

[1379] What the fuck?

[1380] We did not develop our careers otherwise at that point because we were writing, acting, directing.

[1381] showrunners, editing, and doing press.

[1382] That's the interesting thing is I think it can be not unlike a romantic relationship where it's like you resent the thing you love.

[1383] I wouldn't change it for a thing.

[1384] I don't want to have gone and done some dumb shit that was contrived and I felt uncomfortable there and I'm probably at the time doing a shitty version of Alana Wexler too.

[1385] But we were like, we have to end this.

[1386] It's so interesting, I imagine.

[1387] You feel like you're missing the train and then you get off and you're like, oh shit, we just willingly got off a train that was speeding on the tracks.

[1388] This is so funny.

[1389] Or like, you know the chapter's supposed to be over, but you don't know what the next chapter is.

[1390] And it's like, what do you do?

[1391] Do you pick the safety?

[1392] Something I can say confidently was that the need for it to end was from within.

[1393] It wasn't like, well, I have to go do this cool nothing.

[1394] Nobody's offering anything.

[1395] Luckily.

[1396] So the clarity is a fortune.

[1397] But it's also hard.

[1398] You'd have been very stressful if one of you was getting like an insane amount of opportunity.

[1399] That would have been rough.

[1400] We're so lucky that we were getting no offers equally.

[1401] You're blessed with no offers.

[1402] What a bless.

[1403] That's so funny and true.

[1404] We were just like, okay, well, what are you up to?

[1405] Oh, just manically torturing myself with more work than my body can handle.

[1406] There's an interesting, from 2021 until now, we have two movies about pregnancy and a real pregnancy.

[1407] Interesting, isn't it?

[1408] Is that only now in reflection, did that occur to you while it was happening?

[1409] It occurred to me. False positive was definitely my fear of having children.

[1410] I wanted a child a long time before I had one.

[1411] But it was embodying the feeling of it, the fear of the unknown.

[1412] Also, you just got out of this thing that you could have interpreted as preventing you from opportunity.

[1413] And then you're about to endeavor on something that you tell yourself, even though it ends up not being true, is also going to deny you opportunity.

[1414] Motherhood.

[1415] Right.

[1416] There is loss.

[1417] You have a kid and you do lose the former life you had, but there's so much gained.

[1418] Yeah, I wonder if we share this and I say this ad nauseum on here.

[1419] My apologies is to have a real identity that can't disappear because a network decided you're no longer a writer or a, actor or comedian.

[1420] To have a permanent identity as mother or father, for me is the most comforting thing that's ever happened to me. What do you mean?

[1421] Because my identity was so wrapped up in my professional life.

[1422] I was a comedian and then I was an actor and then I was a writer -director and I was a writer -director actor.

[1423] But all of those things are vulnerable and they're impermanent.

[1424] And I think what I was secretly wanting forever is a bedrock of identity.

[1425] That resonates with me. Did you always want to have kids?

[1426] Always.

[1427] Yeah, me too.

[1428] I feel so clicked into my identity now in so many different sections of it, but they're all feeling integrated.

[1429] Oh, I could just take a moment and get the clamped.

[1430] Yeah, it rules.

[1431] It's good.

[1432] And I think Kristen and I both were like, okay, so we're shutting everything down.

[1433] We're about to have this kid.

[1434] We'll never make money again.

[1435] All that's over.

[1436] And then that was just a completely irrational fear because everything has gotten infinitely better since we added this inconvenience to our life.

[1437] Right.

[1438] You also think that you're going to lose your identity, but it strengthens so much.

[1439] And you still have to, like, work to go get that time yourself and be like, what do I like to do when I'm with my friends?

[1440] And there's loss then from not being with your kid in that moment.

[1441] But then you come back and, you know, it's just on tour and gone.

[1442] Two nights is the max if I can control it.

[1443] She grew so much from my absence and being okay with it and learning transitions.

[1444] So it's also a gift for David.

[1445] Totally.

[1446] Some of my favorite memories of this experience have been when Kristen was away shooting in Florida and on a cruise ship for a month and a half.

[1447] I'm like, That's right.

[1448] It's fucking dad time.

[1449] Let's see.

[1450] It's my own show.

[1451] Here we go.

[1452] So fun.

[1453] So sweet.

[1454] So impossible to compete in opposite sex parenting units.

[1455] It's just like, you came out of me. That was such a gift from this tour, too.

[1456] Yeah.

[1457] If the primary source of nurturing is gone and you become primary, you're like, oh, this is nice.

[1458] I get it.

[1459] And also, he's mushyer.

[1460] And I would tune into the camera and see how nap is going.

[1461] And she's literally jumping on him, jumping off of him.

[1462] As she should.

[1463] awesome.

[1464] Okay, so you did false positive.

[1465] That kind of really encapsulates your fear around it.

[1466] But now you do babes, which is what we're here to talk about.

[1467] And this is now a post -child experience.

[1468] When did you get the idea for before or after?

[1469] Before.

[1470] I was just a few months pregnant.

[1471] And my co -writer Josh Rabinowitz, his wife was pregnant about six months.

[1472] And our manager, Susie Fox, and producer, I met with Susie in January 2021.

[1473] And she had been obsessing over.

[1474] the gap in the industry for studio comedies.

[1475] And she was like, I just could see you filling this space.

[1476] And my bottomless pit of need was like, of course, whatever you see.

[1477] And think for me is what I'll do.

[1478] You'll love me for that.

[1479] And you think others might.

[1480] Are they high status?

[1481] Could they get me?

[1482] Money?

[1483] And safety?

[1484] And she just had this shower vision of me and a best friend who has two little kids and I get knocked up.

[1485] Are your daughter's really close an age.

[1486] Yeah, 20 months apart.

[1487] Susie's are 21 months.

[1488] Y 'all are banana nut.

[1489] I don't know, man. You pay up front and it immediately starts yielding dividends.

[1490] I'm sure, but like seven fucking years later.

[1491] That's so hard.

[1492] It is, but I'm telling you, if you look at the grand thing of it being 18 years, you're going to have 15 better years because they actually can play together.

[1493] It's not like one's placating the other.

[1494] I mean, it's fucking badass.

[1495] I hope I have another one, but it won't be like that.

[1496] Yeah, yeah.

[1497] So Susie had 21 months apart.

[1498] I don't know if there were one in three or two and four about the fucking insanity.

[1499] So she was that friend, really, with two little ones.

[1500] And Josh and I are like, this is going to be so fun, you know, pregnant and excited.

[1501] So we both really embodied my character.

[1502] And we all started just brainstorming.

[1503] And it was really collaborative and fun.

[1504] And I was just shocked at the absurdity of the hard comedy of pregnancy, of the experience myself personally.

[1505] Also, like, talk about fucking titties.

[1506] I was just like, El O, well, oh, well.

[1507] They looked like my ass on my chest.

[1508] Like, cuckoo.

[1509] Well, Kristen went from like a B to a fucking D. No, I got double D. And she was like, look at these motherfuckers.

[1510] I especially loved it in like because she was peak pregnancy.

[1511] And I would feel her back when she was on top.

[1512] I was like, I fucking am cheating on you.

[1513] This girl's got a big back and huge titties.

[1514] It's a big back beach.

[1515] You know, women are normally contextually horny.

[1516] We need candles and a story and a narrative.

[1517] This was just spontaneous horniness that I had never experienced or taken pleasure in before.

[1518] It was so fun and funny.

[1519] And I was really sick and that was funny.

[1520] It was just so separate from me, you know, and just like smelling water and throwing up.

[1521] It was such a funny experience.

[1522] So, yeah, we were just throwing all the ideas down.

[1523] Will you say Michelle's last name for me?

[1524] Butow.

[1525] How far back do you guys go?

[1526] Oh, my God.

[1527] Because you guys have such a rhythm.

[1528] Yeah, we know each other for like 18 years.

[1529] Oh, you do?

[1530] Yes.

[1531] Where did you meet?

[1532] She's your co -star.

[1533] She's the woman with the two children in the movie.

[1534] Yeah, I've been doing comedy 18 years.

[1535] Michelle has been doing it 23.

[1536] She's outrageously good.

[1537] Yeah, she's a big deal.

[1538] That's right.

[1539] She is outrageously good.

[1540] She is fucking funny and she is an incredible actor.

[1541] No, yeah, she is incredibly real.

[1542] Even when she's super broad, I'm all bought it.

[1543] Yeah.

[1544] She has such a rootedness to her.

[1545] She's almost like Julia Dreyfus, which is like she can go to the moon.

[1546] And you're like, yeah, I totally buy this.

[1547] Oh, my God.

[1548] I'm going to tell her, you said that today.

[1549] Please do.

[1550] Oh, she's going to fucking love it.

[1551] We really didn't write with anybody particular in mind because we had our characters right there.

[1552] And Susie having the kids and me and Josh Knott, I just was doing this interview the other day talking about lists of actresses.

[1553] And do you guys remember when Mitt Romney said, I have binders full of women?

[1554] Yeah, yeah.

[1555] It was giving binders.

[1556] It was like serving binders so hard where it was like lists of actresses.

[1557] who I normally admire and can tell you all their special attributes and performances, but on a list, they're completely flattened.

[1558] I don't care about any of these people.

[1559] You know, these people saw these many tickets and this much box office.

[1560] This many followers.

[1561] This feels weird.

[1562] And then it came to me in my sleep.

[1563] I like woke up at them all night.

[1564] I was like, fucking Michelle, obviously.

[1565] And we became obsessed.

[1566] And she was very busy.

[1567] He had just finished writing season one of Survival of the Thickest on Netflix and was about to shoot it.

[1568] And I was like, girl.

[1569] Hear me out.

[1570] And she was like, I don't know that I can.

[1571] I was like, I really think you could.

[1572] This is mirrored in the movie in a weird way.

[1573] Oh, that's funny.

[1574] She's over -extended and you're needy.

[1575] Yep.

[1576] Yeah.

[1577] Ooh, it's true.

[1578] It's true.

[1579] But I'm guessing that a lot of the stuff that made it in the movie certainly wasn't scripted.

[1580] Like, you guys clearly have established.

[1581] Like, did you ever watch that thing?

[1582] And I'll forget all the actors' names involved.

[1583] But it's the famous English comedian and another famous English comedian.

[1584] Shit, that's right.

[1585] You don't know about England.

[1586] But this is not going to work.

[1587] It's a reality thing.

[1588] go on a tour of castles and food and they end up doing their show a reality show yeah it's like a documentary series steve coogan and some other guy and they just go to places to eat northern england and they end up doing their sean conneries to each other for i don't know 45 minutes oh that's so funny and you can tell they've been doing it for a decade so cute there's nothing better than when you get to bring in those things that already exists like you guys same bitch for five minutes i was just like remembering though was that scripted i don't think it was scripted.

[1589] It's hard for me to remember.

[1590] Josh is the savant about it when he's like, no, we did that on the third draft or this, that.

[1591] We have another one.

[1592] Girl, girl, bitch, bitch.

[1593] For sure.

[1594] Had you written a lot with Josh?

[1595] He wrote on Broad City.

[1596] Otherwise, no. So this is the first feature you guys were written together.

[1597] Yeah.

[1598] And his best friend in writing partner and one of my best friends, Kevin Barnett, passed away in 2019.

[1599] And it remains a huge loss.

[1600] Kevin was like about to be your favorite stand -up actor, writer, producer, director.

[1601] They had written together on Broad City.

[1602] And the character Claude is based on Kevin.

[1603] Oh, no kidding.

[1604] Yeah.

[1605] Okay.

[1606] And then how does Pamela Adlon come into the mix?

[1607] We get the green light from Film Nation.

[1608] They were like, we will make this with Mullah.

[1609] And I was like, so you love me?

[1610] And we were looking for directors and interviewing people.

[1611] And also like, would be going if it was a woman.

[1612] Would we go out if it was a mom.

[1613] But then it was also like, yeah, but it's just anybody who can do it well also would be great.

[1614] So let's just talk to lots of people.

[1615] But then when we met Pamela, she was so funny and bawdy and had such rock star energy.

[1616] Her passion for the script was so infectious.

[1617] We were all such fans of better things.

[1618] She was coming at motherhood from a different angle that none of us have gotten to yet.

[1619] And we just really fell in love with her right away.

[1620] And Husson's really good in it.

[1621] Hosson is incredible.

[1622] There's always that anxiety.

[1623] Who did I just have?

[1624] Oh, oh, oh.

[1625] Andrew Schultz was in a movie.

[1626] He wasn't here promoted, but someone else was.

[1627] Camilla Mendez.

[1628] And I was saying this as well, there's always this anxiety when you see a stand -up for the very first time act.

[1629] You're like, hmm, how's this going to go?

[1630] And it was delightful.

[1631] He was fucking great.

[1632] They're fucking gorgeous.

[1633] They're giving queens.

[1634] It's very believable.

[1635] Yes.

[1636] Like Michelle, he's so funny and so good.

[1637] He just honored the experience so deeply.

[1638] It was really sweet.

[1639] And you went to South by.

[1640] We were there at the same time.

[1641] Oh, no. We missed you.

[1642] You guys had your premiere there?

[1643] Yeah, it was fucking lit.

[1644] I honestly didn't dream.

[1645] that would happen.

[1646] I think that's the greatest place to screen a movie.

[1647] When I've had movies that have gone there, I'm just like, oh, Austin loves movies in the most perfect way.

[1648] In neither the way New York or L .A. appreciates.

[1649] There's no chip on their shoulder.

[1650] There's no pretension.

[1651] They like to fucking party.

[1652] And their filmmakers that are indigenous to there are some of the best in the world.

[1653] They have the tradition and the love, the Elmo Draft House.

[1654] Like, their love for it is so uniquely Austin.

[1655] That's exactly what it was.

[1656] It was shocking.

[1657] We had done test screenings and like Burbank, you know, and it was fun.

[1658] But it's also like, so conditioned and it was raucous.

[1659] What really surprised me was their shock.

[1660] It was awesome.

[1661] We haven't even said the premise.

[1662] So you guys are best friend.

[1663] She has two kids.

[1664] You have a one -night stand.

[1665] You end up pregnant.

[1666] My character doesn't have a good support system and it tests their friendship.

[1667] And the heart of the movie was really important to us to maintain and build over the movie and that was great too.

[1668] On the baby moon, that scene really, really works.

[1669] A fight you mean?

[1670] Yeah.

[1671] So go ahead.

[1672] Thank you.

[1673] But the theme that is on the table there, Monica is going to resonate with you, I think, deeply.

[1674] If Aaron said this to me, my very best friend since I was 11, you got a little cream top on your nose, and I know you'd be bummed if you discovered it later.

[1675] Oh, thank you.

[1676] Thank you.

[1677] Stop telling her.

[1678] I didn't see it.

[1679] Would you have told her?

[1680] Probably not.

[1681] God, I know.

[1682] I know.

[1683] That's my bad.

[1684] We're doing as good as we can, all of us.

[1685] Yeah, the notion of we're not family is fucking brutal.

[1686] If Aaron told me we're not family, I would cry for six years.

[1687] Yeah.

[1688] I know.

[1689] It's such a good real scene.

[1690] When Josh and Susie and I were like throwing all these ideas down and so much was so funny.

[1691] But the thing that kept coming up, that was the bones.

[1692] Or was it the meat?

[1693] I don't know.

[1694] It's fine.

[1695] The endoskeleton are the exoskeleton.

[1696] The spine was how your friendships change.

[1697] Whether you have kids or not, someone's doing something and getting life partners.

[1698] It's lots of shifting in your 30s.

[1699] It's rough.

[1700] My friendship with Kevin and Josh.

[1701] his friendship with Kevin.

[1702] They were like a married couple.

[1703] Kevin and I were like a married couple in ways and family too and the way that your friends are your partners and in a new way, your partners are your friends.

[1704] You know, like checking out a girl with your partner.

[1705] That fluidity is kind of what we were looking at also in both Eden's one night stand and the spark.

[1706] And then also my character and Michelle is Eden and Dawn's.

[1707] Well, I don't believe in reviews unless they're positive and then I bring them up.

[1708] It's been beautifully reviewed.

[1709] That's my value system as well.

[1710] Anywho, yours got very well reviewed, which is almost impossible to happen, I think.

[1711] So congratulations.

[1712] Thanks so much.

[1713] Do you care?

[1714] Honestly, I'm thrilled.

[1715] Yeah, you should be.

[1716] I'm like, I'm fucking thrilled.

[1717] I can't exactly read them, but to know about them, I'm thrilled.

[1718] It's scary because it's addicting where you hope it's true.

[1719] That is true of me. And it's like, no, it's not.

[1720] And that's not me. And they don't know me. I read them and it's almost like going down some scary Instagram hole that's toxic, aka being on Instagram at all.

[1721] Yeah, I like hearing like my mother will tell me, they loved your thing.

[1722] And I'm like, okay, great, that's all I really need to know.

[1723] Because you have the unique ability as I do, which is like, even if it's positive, I figure out a way that it was bad.

[1724] Yeah, and sort of disembodying or flattening to my spirit, and it's scary.

[1725] Yeah, it's a really dicey endeavor.

[1726] Yeah, it's kind of like an OCD thing of math that your brain is so trained to do.

[1727] And it's like, just don't even read it.

[1728] Sit this one out.

[1729] There's almost no win in it, even if it's ostensibly a win.

[1730] You're like, yeah, but I figured out something I don't like about it.

[1731] If people tell me little pieces.

[1732] I also cry.

[1733] It's like, it's too much.

[1734] After South I was like fully crying on the plane.

[1735] Oh, that's lovely.

[1736] That means you really experienced it.

[1737] I did.

[1738] And were you with Michelle?

[1739] Was she there?

[1740] Michelle was there.

[1741] We were like, what the hell is going on?

[1742] We were shocked.

[1743] She was sitting behind me and I kept turning around and being like, bitch.

[1744] We were like, what?

[1745] We couldn't believe it.

[1746] But also after Broad City, if you end that and you think, what if that was my thing?

[1747] Yeah.

[1748] It's beautiful to experience it again.

[1749] Yeah.

[1750] I want to apologize.

[1751] Rob wrote on here that I'm literally.

[1752] seen for the first time, 4 .30 hard out.

[1753] So you should have maybe...

[1754] Also, give me a verbal one of those.

[1755] It's what?

[1756] 454.

[1757] Okay.

[1758] Oh, that's okay.

[1759] Oh, that's not bad.

[1760] I'm so sorry.

[1761] I'm so sorry.

[1762] I'm loving this.

[1763] Oh, good.

[1764] We love it too.

[1765] Who care?

[1766] I mean, like, I'll go now.

[1767] Well, I knew I would love this.

[1768] We've been wanting to do this for a while.

[1769] I'm really honored and privileged about that statement.

[1770] Thank you.

[1771] And I'm privileged to be here.

[1772] This is so fun and sincere and good -hearted and caring toward the world.

[1773] and I'm just so grateful.

[1774] Thank you.

[1775] All right, well, everyone needs to see babes.

[1776] It's going to be a lot of fucking theaters.

[1777] And to see it with people in the theater, it's just very fucking funny.

[1778] So it's worth your money.

[1779] Let's see comedies in theaters.

[1780] Comedy's more than any other thing.

[1781] You want a fucking shared experience.

[1782] One that comes with ease.

[1783] It's actually good for your body.

[1784] It's truly medicinal to go get that oxytocin dump.

[1785] Fuck, yeah.

[1786] And for the world to know that you can relate to other people right now.

[1787] That's exactly correct.

[1788] We're so siloed.

[1789] Ew.

[1790] Ew.

[1791] Oh, silence.

[1792] England.

[1793] England.

[1794] This movie is not going to perform in England.

[1795] I hate to tell you.

[1796] Go watch Babes.

[1797] Alon Glazer, so much fun.

[1798] Please come back.

[1799] Thanks for having me. Stay tuned for a firechair expert if you dare.

[1800] Stick around for the fact check.

[1801] Because they're human, they make lots of mistakes.

[1802] Good evening.

[1803] Good evening.

[1804] It is, well, late afternoon.

[1805] It's late afternoon.

[1806] It's late afternoon.

[1807] BTS.

[1808] We don't want to lie.

[1809] It's getting close to evening, though.

[1810] When would you say it officially starts?

[1811] Five.

[1812] Five, not five -thirty.

[1813] I think if I said late afternoon and it was in the fives, no. I'll agree with that.

[1814] Okay.

[1815] Agree to agree?

[1816] It's not often you can say that.

[1817] Okay, I have a big update.

[1818] Oh, wow.

[1819] I love big.

[1820] Big updates.

[1821] Huge.

[1822] Live for them.

[1823] I think I ate too many burritos.

[1824] Oh, your new favorite burritos?

[1825] Meaning you don't like them anymore or you had some kind of physiological reaction?

[1826] Both.

[1827] Please tell.

[1828] Okay.

[1829] So, you know, I was eating them every day for, I think, two weeks.

[1830] Uh -huh.

[1831] And then it became.

[1832] What's really funny, just really quick, is when you love them, we were saying the name of the burritos.

[1833] And I know now that we're not saying the name of the burritos because it's taking a turn.

[1834] Also, yes, I'm not going to, but I can say because no one should do what I did.

[1835] Right.

[1836] It has nothing.

[1837] It doesn't speak to the product.

[1838] No, it's nothing to with the burrito.

[1839] It has to do it the way I consumed it, which was I ate it every day.

[1840] And then it became I ate it only.

[1841] That's the only thing you're eating.

[1842] Yeah.

[1843] How many a day?

[1844] One.

[1845] Yeah, because I think you look thinner.

[1846] Yeah, things are, something is happening.

[1847] Yeah, so I started to get very full on the one burrito.

[1848] On the one burrito a day.

[1849] Okay.

[1850] And it was confusing because I've also been wogging.

[1851] Are you on Ozzympic?

[1852] Do you think they put it in there?

[1853] Well, I do know that this is how Ozmpic works, right?

[1854] Which is like, you're full.

[1855] Well, what if they are injecting it with Osemp?

[1856] Wow, that would be brilliant.

[1857] This is very alleged.

[1858] Well, it would not be good because, no, they would.

[1859] I want people.

[1860] In fact, I've heard, God, I wish I could remember who was telling me, the food industry is already launching plans to deal with Ozmpic.

[1861] Because they're not going to sell their food.

[1862] They're not going to sell as much junk.

[1863] And a lot of these companies know it's coming.

[1864] That's interesting.

[1865] It's like the, you know, like cigarette.

[1866] Well, I don't want to compare junk food to cigarettes.

[1867] But, you know.

[1868] Junk food's not great.

[1869] Also, this burrito is not junk food.

[1870] I want to be clear.

[1871] Well, right.

[1872] Very healthy.

[1873] Yes, clearly.

[1874] And pricey.

[1875] Again, we don't know who makes it, but.

[1876] We're not going to save the business, but it's a healthy and pricey business.

[1877] Okay, so you were eating them one a day, and what time a day would you eat it?

[1878] No one's going to like this, because people are going to think it's like eating disorder adjacent.

[1879] Sure, sure.

[1880] I don't struggle.

[1881] I've never struggled with that.

[1882] Right, you never had disordered eating.

[1883] Yeah, I don't think I...

[1884] Maybe too much to coffee pudding on occasion or...

[1885] Yeah.

[1886] I mean, it is disorder to eat one thing every day exclusively, I suppose.

[1887] I don't know.

[1888] If you were supposed to eat 2 ,000 calories a day and you had one meal, I mean, that's intermittent fasting, which people love.

[1889] Right.

[1890] So you were kind of intermittent fasting.

[1891] I guess, but then it started that I was eating half the burrito.

[1892] Okay.

[1893] So now it's leaning back towards it has Ozempic in it.

[1894] Right.

[1895] And I was not getting hungry, like ever.

[1896] Okay.

[1897] So then I was starting to force myself to eat the burrito, half the burrito.

[1898] But never thinking of deviating from the burrito.

[1899] No, because I love it.

[1900] Yeah.

[1901] And I love the taste.

[1902] This is a...

[1903] And to me, it has everything I need.

[1904] It has protein.

[1905] It has avocado good for the brain.

[1906] It has burrito.

[1907] It has cilantro rice, so there's carbs in there.

[1908] Yeah, full...

[1909] Yeah, because my dad has a theory now.

[1910] Wait, based on this burrito then?

[1911] No, no, no, sorry, but it's tangential.

[1912] because my dad watches his blood sugar carefully.

[1913] Yes.

[1914] And he stopped eating rice for a bit.

[1915] I mean, he was eating a lot of rice.

[1916] Indians love rice.

[1917] They sure do.

[1918] And so then he stopped and he was just eating basically like protein and vegetables.

[1919] But then he decided he wanted to bring it back a little bit because he's worried that my grandfather's dementia has to do with when he, because he also stopped eating rice at some point.

[1920] Okay.

[1921] And so he was like, I don't know, feels a little like maybe that was bad.

[1922] So he's bringing rice back in.

[1923] And look, carbs, you do need some carbs.

[1924] Yeah.

[1925] You do.

[1926] Particularly real quick, I think there's a link between serotonin and carbs.

[1927] There's also a link between hair, health and carbs.

[1928] And I will say I can get in a cycle where I'm eating very little to no carbs because I'm trying to hit my protein goal.

[1929] And it's just I'm not hungry, you know.

[1930] So whatever.

[1931] Yeah.

[1932] And there are occasions where I'm like, yeah, I'm a little, I don't know if cranky's the right word, but I can feel that.

[1933] I can feel the lack of carb.

[1934] Yeah, easily accessed energy, yeah.

[1935] And energy is very connected to brain health and mood and all of it.

[1936] All to say, this burrito had it all.

[1937] It had it all.

[1938] Can we go back to Ashok?

[1939] I know you want to blow right by that.

[1940] And I say this, having many times acknowledged that a show is one of the small.

[1941] smartest people I've ever talked to.

[1942] You're saying this, I hope, respectfully.

[1943] We're coming up on Father's Day.

[1944] Yes, and that's why I'm saying, I'm starting with this.

[1945] I deeply admire your father, and I think he's brilliant.

[1946] Yes, I agree.

[1947] But this is a very hair -brain connection he has come up with.

[1948] Well, to be fair, he was around my grandfather for a long, long, long time.

[1949] Yeah, but we just interviewed Sanjay, and if you believe in Natia's book, like, yes, the dementia was a metabolic disorder.

[1950] order.

[1951] So I'll just stop there.

[1952] So pounding carbs.

[1953] Not pounding.

[1954] He's saying the full removal could have had something to do with the deterioration of his brain health.

[1955] I don't.

[1956] You're in?

[1957] No. I don't know.

[1958] But like you just said, I feel different if I have zero carbs.

[1959] And I don't feel as good.

[1960] I don't feel a lack of sharpness or brain activity.

[1961] I just feel mood alteration.

[1962] It's all of this is connected.

[1963] If we've learned anything from all the people we've had on over six and a half years, yeah.

[1964] I'll grant you that.

[1965] Anyway, the burrito had it all.

[1966] Okay?

[1967] Yeah, one stop shopping.

[1968] It was one stop shopping.

[1969] It tasted so good, but for some reason it was making me not like food anymore.

[1970] Mm -hmm.

[1971] And so, oh, then also my pee was smelling kind of odd.

[1972] for a while.

[1973] Wow.

[1974] There's no asparagus in the burrito.

[1975] No. And sorry for a repeat because we do talk about this on an upcoming thing.

[1976] Okay.

[1977] So I guess you should apologize on sync.

[1978] I should.

[1979] You go back into the edit.

[1980] BTS, that was recorded before this.

[1981] But anyway, my pee was smelling kind of weird.

[1982] That could be a million things.

[1983] Are you comfortable describing what weird is?

[1984] Or could you?

[1985] It's hard to say.

[1986] Smells are tricky.

[1987] It wasn't my normal.

[1988] non -smelling smell.

[1989] Normally my pee doesn't smell.

[1990] Right.

[1991] Same.

[1992] Unless, like, I've had asparagus.

[1993] Yeah.

[1994] But this, I could smell it.

[1995] Okay, but back to trying to describe smells.

[1996] Just, I want to do a minute on that.

[1997] Yeah.

[1998] Don't you think it's interesting?

[1999] Like, everything other thing, we have, like, a lot of adjectives.

[2000] Yeah.

[2001] But I find with smells, the only thing you can say is that, you know, it's bad, like repugnant or something.

[2002] But to try to actually get the person to understand what the smell was like, We can only use other actual smells.

[2003] I think that's interesting.

[2004] What do you mean?

[2005] I said your pee smelled weird, what it smelled like.

[2006] And you are now forced to basically think of another item that I might know how smells.

[2007] Yeah.

[2008] To tell me. But if you ask me what something looked like, I wouldn't have to say, well, picture the White House.

[2009] I would go, oh, it was 300 feet tall and it was narrow and it was blue.

[2010] Like, you know, I have all these descriptors for you to build this mental picture.

[2011] But I can't you go what flowery I guess maybe I just so sour you would say you could say musty Musty wow musty that's not that's not how the pea smell so it smelled sour and musty No it did not big bowl of musty soury it did not people don't like when we do this I did not but often I described the smell of my apartment as musty if I've been gone for a week and I come home it's always smells musty I don't understand it someone must be living in there while you're gone No, it's the lack of a person.

[2012] You know, that's so weird, because I think of must is coming.

[2013] Well, I guess maybe I'm confusing it with musk.

[2014] Yeah, you're confusing that.

[2015] I know I still think of must as like old underwear and a hamper.

[2016] But old underwear because it's saddened.

[2017] Not mine, mind you.

[2018] Yeah, okay.

[2019] Like, there's a, it's not life in it.

[2020] Do we say moisture's in the mix with musty?

[2021] I think musty has to do with moisture.

[2022] Oh, I think it's dryness.

[2023] So, okay, I knew there was something that we weren't aligned.

[2024] I don't agree.

[2025] to agree here.

[2026] I'll call it misaligned.

[2027] Okay.

[2028] Anyway, that is not how the pee smelled.

[2029] It didn't smell musty or sour.

[2030] It just had a smell.

[2031] That was not normal for me. And I thought, what the fuck is going on here?

[2032] I thought maybe it had to do with my period.

[2033] Mm -hmm.

[2034] But then I don't think it had to do with my period.

[2035] Mm -hmm.

[2036] And then I thought, well, this is just.

[2037] Yeah, maybe this is related to the burrito.

[2038] From God knows where it's from.

[2039] But not the burrito, to be fair.

[2040] The lack of diversity in the diet.

[2041] Right.

[2042] I think that was the problem.

[2043] So then I thought, God, I need to mix it up.

[2044] Now, I don't think this can happen and people that are super into keto will be mad at me. But I do wonder if, like, you were triggering ketones.

[2045] Because maybe ketones can smell in your urine.

[2046] Rob, will you ask the computer if ketones have a smell?

[2047] in your urine.

[2048] Ketones and urine is the first thing that comes up when you research ketones.

[2049] Wow.

[2050] What does it smell like sour, musty?

[2051] Hamburgers.

[2052] Ketones and urine is a medical condition that occurs when the body produces excess ketones as an alternative energy source.

[2053] Yeah, it's like the product of being in ketosis.

[2054] Yeah, not getting enough sugar or carbs.

[2055] Right.

[2056] And so I'm just wondering if there's a smell associated with heavily key.

[2057] What are the symptoms?

[2058] Ripped, shredded, mental clarity.

[2059] That's what people who are in a ketosis state report.

[2060] I've been in ketosis.

[2061] I was on the Atkins diet.

[2062] But you're not supposed to live in ketosis.

[2063] I don't think.

[2064] Well, are you?

[2065] Look, a lot of early humans did.

[2066] There were no carbs.

[2067] Like the Inuit, they're eating whale blogger.

[2068] There was an earthquake just now.

[2069] Yes, there was.

[2070] I felt it.

[2071] Okay, I'm on a new pot.

[2072] I'm going to agree.

[2073] That's my new policy.

[2074] You don't have to agree.

[2075] Because people were really mad that I was questioning.

[2076] I wasn't saying it didn't happen, but I was questioning whether the iPhone was likely to be more failable than us humans in the alarm gate.

[2077] Your alarm not going off.

[2078] A lot of people came to your defense.

[2079] I want you to know.

[2080] And then they make it a bigger thing, which is my own issue.

[2081] Well, they make it a bigger thing because you're paying attention.

[2082] You don't have to pay attention to it.

[2083] I have to let them know that I see them and that I appreciate.

[2084] You're mad at them?

[2085] No, those people, they're few and far between.

[2086] But they came to your defense, which is nice.

[2087] They think that definitely your iPhone malfunctioned, and they're quoting different things.

[2088] Like, oh, everyone knows this update.

[2089] You know, there's no, like, sources, but regardless.

[2090] I have the smells.

[2091] Oh, great, great, great.

[2092] So, ketones and urine can cause a smell like popcorn, do you smell like...

[2093] Acetone?

[2094] Ooh.

[2095] Or maple syrup.

[2096] Yum. Yum. Yum, yum.

[2097] I'm not sure.

[2098] Sure.

[2099] Didn't get a whiff of any of that?

[2100] I'm not sure.

[2101] Maybe popcorn.

[2102] Okay.

[2103] Give it a, well, if it returns, see if you can connect those two.

[2104] Now that you have a descriptor, it might be obvious.

[2105] Can I close the loop on ketosis?

[2106] So the Inuit or the Nupia, they were hunting whales for thousands of years.

[2107] They're only eating whale blubber pretty much as their whole diet, which has presented a lot of fun arguments against collective.

[2108] cholesterol and stuff because there's some in the winter they'll be eating 8 ,000 calories a day of basically fat and they have no heart disease so this has been used to you know whatever but they're certainly in ketosis at all times they have no carbohydrates available to them to eat for thousands of years because they're in a tundra it's like anything's growing with carbohydrates and they did just fine they're still there yeah but you we have to eat food yeah but i'm just saying you can eat as they did simply animal protein and fat which has no carbohydrates and you can live for thousands of years eating that way.

[2109] Yeah.

[2110] I just think if your pea smells weird it's not great.

[2111] Okay.

[2112] I'm not making a case for living in ketosis.

[2113] I'm just, you had asked, I don't think you should or could and I was just simply saying there have been tons of populations that have lived certainly in ketosis.

[2114] Well, I mean, maybe I don't know if I am or I'm not.

[2115] I just have no other.

[2116] That was my best guess.

[2117] I think it's a good guess because I haven't been eating as much and I've been working out.

[2118] But I think a lot of people put in the comments, you can't go into ketosis in just a 23 -hour break from eating, which probably is the case.

[2119] But I don't know.

[2120] I don't know your body.

[2121] I mean, I know it's short.

[2122] 23 -hour.

[2123] Well, let's say you're eating the burrito over the course of one hour.

[2124] That leaves 23 hours of the day you're not eating.

[2125] Yeah.

[2126] Yeah.

[2127] Or are you breaking it up into many meals?

[2128] Sometimes it would be two meals, half the burrito.

[2129] Then it became...

[2130] Just once a day.

[2131] Keep the doctor away.

[2132] Once a day, half burrito.

[2133] Right.

[2134] And you don't weigh yourself.

[2135] I don't, but I've lost weight, for sure.

[2136] You know that too.

[2137] Okay.

[2138] I'm not like delusional.

[2139] No, I can tell.

[2140] I started diversifying a little bit.

[2141] I ate a salad, but then the next day I wanted the burrito so bad again.

[2142] So I got it.

[2143] Okay, so I guess what I like about this is it's not like you haven't lost the taste for it.

[2144] Okay, but then I'm starting to lose the taste.

[2145] Yeah, well, this is what I was going to say is like so interesting how you dip in and out of very addicty behavior.

[2146] I think it's more obsessive behavior than it is addicty behavior.

[2147] Yeah, I don't know that we can.

[2148] There's a very fine line, but I do think there's a line.

[2149] I do think there is because I think that's actually the difference between the more.

[2150] Like addiction to me is about more.

[2151] Well, maybe not.

[2152] On the surface, yes.

[2153] But I think what's under it is modulating your internal state with something external.

[2154] So if you do something, let's say put six beers in your system and you feel a desired way, you will chase that and do that compulsively because you want that end result of the feeling you have.

[2155] And so I feel like clearly the first day you ate this burrito, you were like, that's the perfect meal.

[2156] And you felt great about it.

[2157] That was great.

[2158] And I'm full and whatever other things you told yourself.

[2159] And then the next day you were like, let's repeat that.

[2160] I loved the outcome.

[2161] And you're kind of, this is back to Ethan, taking one Motrin and drinking a Diet Coke.

[2162] And it was great.

[2163] And so he just did it for five years absinmindedly.

[2164] Yeah.

[2165] I mean, I guess so.

[2166] It started as, I want to introduce a burrito.

[2167] Oh my God, I had the best lunch today.

[2168] this burrito from this place and oh no i love it and it's so expensive and then i was like oh my god i got to try it yeah tried it loved it but i ate that for lunch and then i ate dinner i ate it normally at first and then it got a little out of control but i think that's because of the ozempic uh but that's i i do think you have to inject it just to push another hole just said it was like oh my god is it like the calteen bars and mean girls oh remember why When she's, like, only eating these bars and then it flips, it's like these, like, weight -loss bars.

[2169] Yeah.

[2170] But then it flips, and she's, like, gained all this weight.

[2171] Oh, okay, okay.

[2172] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I do, yeah.

[2173] So, anyway, I've been trying to diversify, but then I've had the pool for the burrito, and so I went back.

[2174] But now it's probably just psychological.

[2175] I'm not liking the taste as much, but I think because I've associated it with, I think, something's going on here.

[2176] Okay.

[2177] But also you just, your taste buds at some point want a little variety, don't they?

[2178] I know, but like today I had two bites.

[2179] Whisper so no one can hear us.

[2180] Today I had two bites and I was like, you almost threw up.

[2181] I was like, this is making me feel a little nauseous.

[2182] Yeah, right, right.

[2183] So something psychosomatic's happening for sure.

[2184] Yeah, something's happening.

[2185] This is exciting.

[2186] Yeah, anyway, so that's nice.

[2187] You're basically running trials by yourself.

[2188] Like, what if someone committed to?

[2189] Well, that's a sad thing.

[2190] Did you see that Morgan Spurlock died?

[2191] I did.

[2192] hated that.

[2193] I know, sad.

[2194] So young.

[2195] I think he was 54 or something.

[2196] I didn't like that.

[2197] Okay, my pinned thing?

[2198] Yes.

[2199] And I wonder if this is now something that will be highly relatable, but wouldn't have been two years ago.

[2200] Okay.

[2201] So I'm taking the girls for a motorcycle ride.

[2202] At one point, we decided to go down into the alley by T .T's house, our old house.

[2203] And we're going to just turn around, I guess.

[2204] But she hears all the motorcycles in the alley.

[2205] So she comes out and then your comes out.

[2206] And your sister comes out.

[2207] We're all.

[2208] having a chat for a while.

[2209] It was really nice.

[2210] And I'm looking at Carly and I'm like, Carly is looking very fit.

[2211] Nice.

[2212] Very, very fit.

[2213] And I'm like, oh, fuck, but I can't say anything because I don't want to put her in a position if she has gone on Ozempic and she's embarrassed by that.

[2214] I don't want to put her in some position where she has to now lie about why she has lost weight.

[2215] Okay.

[2216] And so, I don't know.

[2217] three weeks goes by and the other day we're in the kitchen and i just kind of go fuck it i go carl have you lost weight and she's like i have i've lost like 18 pounds wow yeah and i'm like well you really look fit and uh and she goes thank you you're the first person to tell me that i bet this situation that happened is not unique is what i was getting at i bet a lot of people are observing people in their life who have lost significant weight that's very visible and they don't know whether they should say anything or not.

[2218] Yeah.

[2219] Because they don't know if they're opening up a can of worms about OZempic.

[2220] And like, yeah, right?

[2221] For sure.

[2222] I mean, more broadly speaking.

[2223] I know your sister I don't think is on OZemPEC.

[2224] She's not.

[2225] Yeah.

[2226] No, no, she's not.

[2227] And so.

[2228] She's been working.

[2229] She like runs with the dog.

[2230] Yeah, yeah.

[2231] She's got like a whole routine and she's been working very, very hard.

[2232] And so, but when I told her, like, I hadn't brought it up because in case you were on OZempic, I didn't, I didn't know if you'd be embarrassed you were on it.

[2233] I think that my broader point, which is it's sad to me that people would be embarrassed that they're on OZempe.

[2234] Well, I agree with that.

[2235] I don't think it's embarrassing.

[2236] And I want more people who are on it to say they're on it so that it can not be embarrassing.

[2237] And we've obviously talked about that a ton.

[2238] Like I think get on it if you want to get on it, but maybe be honest about the fact that you're on it.

[2239] Also, don't get on it if you don't want to get on it.

[2240] Oh, of course.

[2241] Well, there'll be people in the comments like, you stop telling everyone they need to.

[2242] be on a Zempeg.

[2243] I'm not saying that at all.

[2244] I want to be very clear.

[2245] I just like, I can't be addressing all those.

[2246] Right?

[2247] Like we can say what we mean.

[2248] Sure.

[2249] And not have to caveat to commenters.

[2250] I agree with you to a large extent.

[2251] I understand what a very sensitive topic it is.

[2252] So I want to be ultra clear when I'm talking on what I think is a very sensitive topic that is very easily triggering to somebody.

[2253] Yeah.

[2254] So I probably, I wouldn't take this amount of time if I was talking about many other things.

[2255] Yeah.

[2256] I was just saying, I said, if you want to get on it, get on it.

[2257] Right.

[2258] I don't think we need to say if you don't want to get on it.

[2259] I mean, we can.

[2260] We can do whatever we want.

[2261] I'm just like, whatever.

[2262] Anyway, all to say, I think I'm going to stop eating the burritos.

[2263] I think that's, I would, I would second that decision.

[2264] What was I going to say?

[2265] Well, I've been a little under the weather.

[2266] Okay.

[2267] You seemed yesterday.

[2268] Yeah, I had a headache.

[2269] I wonder if this has, God, is it all tied in?

[2270] Mm, mm. Well, I'll tell you a very life -affirming thing.

[2271] Okay.

[2272] So that burrito is a cautionary tale, I think.

[2273] No, everyone should.

[2274] Not eat burritos singularly for two weeks straight once a day.

[2275] Life affirming, Lincoln had her end of her school year, fifth grade dance last night.

[2276] Oh, my God.

[2277] How sweet.

[2278] We've talked about it.

[2279] Some of my very favorite memories of life are the sixth grade dance, the seventh grade dance, and the eighth grade dance.

[2280] Oh, God, were those fun.

[2281] I wish we would have had fifth grade.

[2282] We didn't have it.

[2283] So it's nice.

[2284] They're starting them earlier.

[2285] Yeah.

[2286] And the theme was like 80s and graffiti.

[2287] Ooh.

[2288] So Lincoln made a full gene outfit that she had spray painted.

[2289] Cute.

[2290] Her and Hannah did, and it looked tremendous.

[2291] It looked like something you would buy at whatever store you throw.

[2292] Not really.

[2293] but you know very it was cool yeah i feel like she could sell these wow and um i picked her up and i don't there's almost nothing funner to witness than a bunch of fifth graders at a dance there was ice cream truck oh everyone's in their crazy 80s graffiti outfits yeah they're congo lining taking pictures.

[2294] Lincoln's crying when I pick her up.

[2295] It's so sweet.

[2296] She's happy?

[2297] Yes, joy.

[2298] And like it's over and missing people already.

[2299] Oh, because it was the last hurrah.

[2300] Yeah, the last time at the school.

[2301] And these kids are, most of them are going in many different directions.

[2302] Because it was a charter school that doesn't have a middle school.

[2303] Right.

[2304] Another funny thing, my kids hate when I say junior high.

[2305] Which is so funny to me because middle school seems so much stupider than junior high to me. No, I'm with her.

[2306] You are.

[2307] I went to middle school.

[2308] Yeah, I went to middle school.

[2309] Junior high sounds very dated.

[2310] It was junior high.

[2311] It was?

[2312] Isn't it sound cooler?

[2313] Oh my God, maybe it's high school in the title.

[2314] Carl Sandberg Junior High.

[2315] But it's Junior High.

[2316] Now say it's say it the other way.

[2317] It's Carl Sandberg Middle School.

[2318] Oh, I'm sorry.

[2319] You went there?

[2320] Oh, now junior high.

[2321] Oh.

[2322] Another fun thing.

[2323] I woke up with an insatiable desire three days ago to talk to my junior high friend, Joey Ricardy.

[2324] Okay.

[2325] Italian, you've heard me talk about his dad.

[2326] His dad was a bricklayer from Italy.

[2327] Built them a beautiful brick ranch and he had a burtony that he drove in the...

[2328] He might have come up in this interview, which is weird.

[2329] Oh, wow.

[2330] He might have.

[2331] But I think because I recently told a story about his dad, I was maybe thinking about him a lot.

[2332] And so I tracked down his number.

[2333] And last night after I picked Lincoln up from this adorable dance, I talked to him for like an hour and a half.

[2334] And it was so goddamn fun.

[2335] That's nice.

[2336] That's a nice little nice little blast from the past.

[2337] It was.

[2338] Speaking of The Row, it's Mary Kate and Ashley's birthday today.

[2339] Happy birthday.

[2340] Oh, it is.

[2341] Okay.

[2342] Happy birthday, gals.

[2343] Happy birthday.

[2344] I love you.

[2345] I miss you.

[2346] I want to be you.

[2347] We love them.

[2348] Yeah, we love them.

[2349] I mistakenly did not wear the row today.

[2350] I don't want my ex -girlfriend to hear that I love her.

[2351] sister.

[2352] That would be...

[2353] No, it would be fine.

[2354] Just like if your ex -girlfriend said they loved you and your brother, like, I love the shepherds.

[2355] Yeah.

[2356] You'd love that.

[2357] I would.

[2358] I would want anyone to love my brother.

[2359] Speaking of which, he's coming Sunday.

[2360] That's fun.

[2361] What are you guys going to do?

[2362] Father's Day, volleyball.

[2363] Oh, fun.

[2364] Volleyball pickleball tournament.

[2365] Cool.

[2366] Double activity Father's Day.

[2367] That's really nice.

[2368] Well, I'm still waiting to learn.

[2369] Well, you're invited for a lesson any time you want.

[2370] Not Sunday, that's dad's only.

[2371] Okay.

[2372] But I'll definitely teach you out of play at any point if you want to learn.

[2373] Well, I do, but I can't invite.

[2374] You have to do it.

[2375] But you have to say, like, hey, I want to learn pickleball.

[2376] I've said it a lot.

[2377] Okay.

[2378] And I'm saying it again.

[2379] And you would receive instruction from me. Now that's another, we've got to sort that out now.

[2380] Have you ever taught me something?

[2381] I mean, obviously you teach me all kinds of things.

[2382] But have you ever, like you, I'm.

[2383] We taught you spades.

[2384] Yep, you taught me spades.

[2385] I taught you how to ride in the sand car.

[2386] You were very receptive.

[2387] I'm like, here's what you got to do while you're in the seat.

[2388] You got to follow you with your eyes, the track we're going to write.

[2389] There were their instructions.

[2390] Here's how the seatbelt works.

[2391] I buckled you in the whole nine.

[2392] I think I'm pretty good, I think.

[2393] I think.

[2394] Receiving instruction?

[2395] Yeah, because I think so too.

[2396] I like getting things right.

[2397] Yeah.

[2398] And you like teachers.

[2399] I love teachers.

[2400] Right.

[2401] It's me who has a hard time getting instruction.

[2402] So I think it would go okay.

[2403] Okay, great.

[2404] Although I do have a history.

[2405] Uh -oh.

[2406] I did not receive instruction well from my father.

[2407] Oh, right.

[2408] Most daughters don't.

[2409] Yeah.

[2410] Yeah.

[2411] But so you're kind of, you're in a gray area as a dad.

[2412] So it could go poor.

[2413] Let's leave the door open for it to go poorly.

[2414] Yeah.

[2415] Well, I could have Lincoln teacher.

[2416] you.

[2417] Oh, I'd love that.

[2418] Yeah, that'd be fun for both of you.

[2419] She knows.

[2420] Yeah, I would love that.

[2421] It's not like she would mislead you.

[2422] No, no, yeah.

[2423] So maybe I'll oversee that.

[2424] I'll be the quiet observer.

[2425] And then if she messes up, I will tell you on the side, because that's when we can get into the biggest, our biggest snafus.

[2426] Yeah, what if we get in a big three, three -way fight?

[2427] It could be very explosive.

[2428] Yeah, what's happening, which is truly sweet and ultimately quite flattering is for her to be wrong in front of me is very hard for her.

[2429] which is very sweet.

[2430] Oh, you're sensing that.

[2431] I think I have isolated that that's when I really set off a kind of chain reaction between her and I as if I kind of correct her because she wants to be on it for me, which is really sweet.

[2432] Oh, man, I wonder where she got that.

[2433] I can't even begin to think where that comes from.

[2434] No, I know where it came from.

[2435] I mean, yeah.

[2436] Yeah, it is sweet.

[2437] You know, Laura LeBow and I were sitting in the hot tub last night, my mom's visiting, and we got to talking about my dad.

[2438] She said, you know, one of the many nice things that you and your brother got from your dad is that you're very in touch with your feminine side, like your dad was.

[2439] Is your brother, too?

[2440] Yeah, yeah.

[2441] He does really well with girls, right?

[2442] Yeah.

[2443] And I don't mean does well with him like lands chicks.

[2444] I mean, he interacts with, he feels very safe around them.

[2445] And yeah, and I think that's a sweet smile.

[2446] And I said, yeah, you know, over time, I think I've come to recognize quite a bit of the appealing things about me are from him.

[2447] There's so many things I now realize that he was so affectionate and loving.

[2448] Dad's in the 80s where I grew up.

[2449] Wasn't a given.

[2450] And she said, oh, he was the sweetest boy on planet Earth when I met him.

[2451] She said he just treated me like a prince.

[2452] from the day we met.

[2453] And in this very beautiful moment where she was remembering what a sweet boyfriend he was and I was remembering what a sweet daddy was.

[2454] Aw, coming up on Father's Day.

[2455] Oh, I didn't even think of the timing but yeah.

[2456] Yeah, it was very sweet.

[2457] And then I thought, too, love is so weird.

[2458] Yeah.

[2459] Like my mom certainly loved that man to death and still loves him so much and thinks back on what a beautiful time they had and how sweet he was.

[2460] list to her.

[2461] Yeah.

[2462] And do you think part of that is like you just forget the bad stuff or is it she's not forgotten the bad stuff but it doesn't matter.

[2463] It's all folded into the same thing.

[2464] Yeah, I don't think she's forgotten the bad stuff because in that conversation she talks about the things that, you know, ultimately made them not work out.

[2465] So it's like she has full awareness.

[2466] But I think over time what happens is I think what's very lasting is love and what's pretty.

[2467] erosive is resentment Yeah Which is lovely For some people I think if you I said erosive like I know That's a word Corrosive is how you No I mean it erodes Oh I don't know if eroses is a word But it should be Yeah Yeah yeah yeah fleeting Fleeting Yeah yeah I think if you're lucky You live like that Right And I think And not if you're lucky You can choose to live like that I do intellectually I know all the reasons Brie and I broke up, but I have no emotions anymore attached to those reasons I know intellectually.

[2468] They used to be full of a lot of emotions.

[2469] Of course.

[2470] And now, but the positive things are still emotions.

[2471] That is easy to do in retrospect, like for you looking at Brie and for your mom looking at your dad, the current friction isn't there.

[2472] So yeah, it can go.

[2473] For me, just like anger has a half -life.

[2474] And for me, love doesn't have a half -law.

[2475] And I probably am just lucky in that way.

[2476] Because, yeah, you're right.

[2477] Some people seem to be able to really...

[2478] Yeah, carry anger.

[2479] Fortify that anger and resentment.

[2480] But I think it's a choice.

[2481] Yeah, and I don't know that I didn't, I didn't decide this because of A .A. But of course, there's many great sayings about this in A. One of them being, you know, resentments are like drinking poison and hoping your enemy dies.

[2482] Yeah, that's a really good one.

[2483] And so you just, you're the only person who suffers from this.

[2484] It has no impact on the person you're mad at.

[2485] I know.

[2486] It doesn't affect them at all.

[2487] I think when you have any complicated relationship, you're forced to do this.

[2488] Make a decision about how you want to feel about it overall.

[2489] Even when you're in it and it's complicated.

[2490] Is this going to be something that's costing me or do I want to look at it as a gift in some way?

[2491] Yeah.

[2492] Or something that nurtured you or?

[2493] Yeah.

[2494] Yeah, taught you something, whatever.

[2495] Yeah.

[2496] I do detect, what's funny is I could just flat out ask her.

[2497] She's so honest and that we talk so openly.

[2498] But I do detect that nothing ever matched that.

[2499] I wonder.

[2500] But I don't know, because my mom loves bargaining.

[2501] Of course.

[2502] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2503] Yeah.

[2504] Big time.

[2505] Also, you've talked about this.

[2506] You feel like.

[2507] When you're younger.

[2508] No, you've said that you don't feel.

[2509] Like there's an order.

[2510] Yeah.

[2511] That's true.

[2512] Yeah.

[2513] So I don't even know why I. Well, of course you want, I mean, if I were you, I would want my dad to be number one, of course.

[2514] The most, yeah, I guess you're right.

[2515] Yeah.

[2516] Well, and it's interesting because I guess you want to be the product of that.

[2517] Yeah, of course.

[2518] There's a fantasy around like you're the product of this magical once in a lifetime.

[2519] Yeah, true.

[2520] Love of your life, Tu -W -W -W.

[2521] Yeah.

[2522] But the reality is.

[2523] The reality is everyone's a product of a sperm and an egg.

[2524] Yeah, and that true love is complex.

[2525] It's not, I remember one time, this is funny, this popped in my head the other day.

[2526] I don't remember the specific details, but Lincoln was so little.

[2527] Like she was, she must have been two or three.

[2528] Too little.

[2529] It was T -W -O -L -Little, or maybe three.

[2530] somebody maybe asked her like do you know how you were made or something and she said yeah because of you and mommy's love that was her explanation for her right we hadn't gotten in yet to the penis and vagina but she knew from like her idea of herself was that she was born out of love the product of love but just so beautiful it is it's lovely yeah i mean i've never thought that my life interesting i wonder if that's in the dynamic for your own psychology i'm wondering i mean in what way you mean just in the way i look at love i view love i view partnership yeah i think there's something about this isn't the case but like if you think oh i'm the product of a financial arrangement yeah that's not the case it's not the case it's not at all i'm using like an extreme example because i don't know how to articulate whatever yeah i don't know i feel like that would affect my psychology in some way?

[2531] I don't know.

[2532] I want to be the product of love.

[2533] Yeah.

[2534] I don't know why.

[2535] It's very romantic, but it's, it's, you are very romantic.

[2536] So maybe that.

[2537] I am, yeah, I'm super, super romantic.

[2538] And I am more practical about life.

[2539] Yeah.

[2540] And that is probably a part of it.

[2541] Because I am a result of a practical partnership.

[2542] Right.

[2543] I would definitely not a financial arrangement.

[2544] No. That might do something to my psychology, but I mean, I don't know, though, because...

[2545] Like, let's say that you're in the 1500s, and France and England put these two people together to join empires, and they had you literally just to carry on the family empire.

[2546] Right.

[2547] That's just an interesting origin story.

[2548] It is, but it's what everyone's doing.

[2549] It's just hooded in this different veil.

[2550] Like, you, you found love in order to carry on the thing.

[2551] You wanted kids.

[2552] Yeah.

[2553] So you found love to do that.

[2554] My parents wanted kids, and they found this arrangement to do that.

[2555] Yeah, yeah.

[2556] I mean, this is also, I don't want to do them a disservice because it's not, I'm making it sound like they didn't like each other.

[2557] They did, and they had a whole life before me, and they, like, liked each other a lot and loved each other and love each other still.

[2558] But it wasn't romantic.

[2559] Right, because for me, the way you just laid it out is kind of, it's true, but I also think I would add to it, which is like, yeah, I want to have a child, but I want half of that child to be someone I love.

[2560] I want to go create this new being with the type of person that I love, because then they will be the type of person I love.

[2561] You know what I'm saying?

[2562] Like I wouldn't have desired to have kids with someone that I totally disrespected.

[2563] Totally.

[2564] Well, yeah.

[2565] I'm only saying like on one level you're dead right.

[2566] Like the human is the human.

[2567] It's a sperm and all of them and whatever.

[2568] And it doesn't, what was behind it isn't actually relevant.

[2569] It doesn't.

[2570] It doesn't.

[2571] but when you're thinking about the person you're going to bring into your life and nurture for the rest of your life, I was highly selective and I'm not going to do it with somebody that I have, like, disregard for.

[2572] For sure.

[2573] It's funny, because what you're saying is you wanted kids with someone you love so that those kind of...

[2574] The product is a combination, yeah.

[2575] And I would say my parents have that, but they would probably replace love with, like, admire or respect.

[2576] Yeah, right.

[2577] which is the same in many ways.

[2578] Yeah, I just, if I admire and respect somebody, I'm prone to be in love with them.

[2579] I don't know how we got on this subject.

[2580] My dad.

[2581] Your dad, yeah.

[2582] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2583] Yeah, that's really sweet.

[2584] What are you doing for your father on this glory state?

[2585] He wants a gift card.

[2586] It's the most practical man in the world, other than this rice thing, but.

[2587] I think it's going to be a little bit of a sad one.

[2588] Why?

[2589] No grandpa.

[2590] Oh, right.

[2591] First one without him.

[2592] Uh -huh.

[2593] It's sad.

[2594] I think it's going to be sad for my mom.

[2595] Yeah.

[2596] But are you, you're going to give your dad a gift card to where?

[2597] Oh, probably Amazon.

[2598] Oh, smart.

[2599] He's not a Home Depot guy.

[2600] He goes there, but it's not like.

[2601] Just because he has to.

[2602] He doesn't love it.

[2603] Men have to report to Home Depot occasionally, or we get jury duty.

[2604] Yeah.

[2605] We get summoned.

[2606] We get kicked out of the club if we don't pass through there occasionally, put in our, some FaceTime?

[2607] He's been but he prefers Amazon now.

[2608] He likes that two -day delivery, same -day delivery.

[2609] Hard to beat.

[2610] It's really hard to beat.

[2611] I agree.

[2612] Yeah, Father's Day.

[2613] Good old Father's Day.

[2614] Facts.

[2615] Facts.

[2616] Facts.

[2617] Okay.

[2618] She said the first suburbs were invented in Long Island, Levittown, and that is correct.

[2619] Good job.

[2620] Ding, ding, ding.

[2621] She got it.

[2622] How much did she win, Rob?

[2623] 100 books.

[2624] Oh, perfect.

[2625] She's $100 on the board.

[2626] Okay, I guess that's Rob's money because I did not agree to that.

[2627] And a burrito.

[2628] So $120.

[2629] Okay, let's see.

[2630] Then.

[2631] Without saying the name of the place, everyone now knows.

[2632] Everyone knows.

[2633] We say it on saying.

[2634] I know, but even if you didn't know, and you heard the burrito was $20, you know, well, it could only be one.

[2635] Exactly.

[2636] Oh, I've got one fun thing.

[2637] It's kind of a fact, too.

[2638] Um, my partner at the bouncy house, if you heard, I was a volunteer at the field day.

[2639] And my partner was this really wonderful woman and we got to chatting about what she does.

[2640] And she kind of does, um, I don't know how I describe it.

[2641] Maybe like vibe management at a law firm, like, um, keeping the culture there kind of happy and productive and blah, blah, blah.

[2642] Okay.

[2643] And I said, of all the tools at your disposal to keep like the workforce happy, what's the number one?

[2644] And she said, without question, food.

[2645] If you bring in good food for people or when they have people come out to interview for jobs from all the fancy colleges, she's like, I bring heroin.

[2646] People want to have heroin when they come to California.

[2647] Does she bring like the smoothies?

[2648] I don't know.

[2649] And I was like, oh, I bet they also want in and out.

[2650] She's like, yes, they want in and out.

[2651] They want heroin.

[2652] Like these kids in college, they know what's out here.

[2653] Yeah, they're smart.

[2654] And they want it.

[2655] Well, this is a ding, ding, ding Easter egg.

[2656] Because on synch, I say, I wonder across the country how aware people are of marijuana and like the smoothies and stuff.

[2657] Right.

[2658] Because everyone here is aware, obviously.

[2659] But then I thought maybe because of TikTok and stuff, it is pretty widespread.

[2660] Apparently these candidates from these Ivy League schools, they know.

[2661] Wow.

[2662] Okay.

[2663] So can you be on your period around bears?

[2664] You're not going to like this.

[2665] Despite a widespread misconception that menstrual odors attract black and grizzly bears and precipitate attacks, there is no evidence for this.

[2666] Now, this is from bear .org.

[2667] This is...

[2668] Monica.

[2669] The North American Bear Center.

[2670] This is real.

[2671] The misconception began in 1967 when grizzly bears killed a menstruating woman and a woman who was approaching menstruation in Glacier National Park.

[2672] But it's not true.

[2673] No instances of black bears attacking or being attracted to menstruating women were found when an extensive review of black bears across North America was conducted.

[2674] So if you're walking through the woods on your period, it is unlikely a bear will sniff you out and attack you.

[2675] The thing is, don't risk it, okay?

[2676] I think you could back up and make it less specific.

[2677] Do they smell blood from far away?

[2678] That's the question.

[2679] And I have all respect to bear .org.

[2680] But Doug lived with bears.

[2681] his whole life and watch them respond to things, I'm gonna definitely trust the guy who lives with a bear when he says...

[2682] But you're gonna trust one guy, Doug, over like real research from bear .org, from a lot of bears.

[2683] This is what they're kind of claiming, though, is almost unknowable.

[2684] They're going like, what they're doing is they're looking at all bear attacks, right?

[2685] And then they're looking at how many of the people were menstruating.

[2686] I'm not, I'm a little suspicious that every time someone got attacked by a bear, someone came in and asked the question, are you menstruating?

[2687] I'm a little suspicious that ever happened.

[2688] I bet they do, because they do ask, like, was their food out?

[2689] Did you have, they ask questions to know what's attracting them?

[2690] We're guessing.

[2691] We don't really, we, or maybe you're not, I've never seen the aftermath of questioning that goes on.

[2692] You could assume based on the internet, when they say, like, don't have open food out, that that's because they've done research to know that that that, attracts bears.

[2693] Okay, there's more I'm reading.

[2694] There's no evidence that menstrual odors attract or trigger bear attacks.

[2695] In fact, studies have found that black bears ignore menstrual odors regardless of age, sex, or reproductive status.

[2696] They don't discriminate.

[2697] A review of, I added that, review of black bear attacks across North America since 1900 found no instance of a black bear killing a menstruating woman.

[2698] Grizzly bears are also more interested in grass than menstrual products.

[2699] So maybe they did an experiment.

[2700] The only bear that has shown interest in menstrual blood is the polar bear, but only when presented with the used tampon.

[2701] So they've done some.

[2702] I do want to just say that all that data was from black bears, and I just need to point out, I was dealing with a brown bear.

[2703] Grizzly, it said.

[2704] But it wasn't nearly as extensive of all the other stuff.

[2705] Grizzly bears are more interested in grass than menstrual products.

[2706] That to me means they did some tests.

[2707] Okay.

[2708] Okay, now I'm going to read about things to do when you encounter a bear.

[2709] Okay.

[2710] Get rid of your tampon.

[2711] What if it was the number one thing is?

[2712] You know what's really annoying is it took me a while to find this because almost everything was just about bear spray.

[2713] It really wants you to have bear spray.

[2714] And there was hard to find if you don't have bear spray, which most people don't.

[2715] I don't have any.

[2716] Okay.

[2717] Number one thing to do is know your bears.

[2718] North America is home to three bear species.

[2719] The black bear, brown bear, species that includes the grizzly bear and polar bear.

[2720] find out which species live in the place where you live or plan to travel okay I'm not going to get into that but look it up okay number two don't unwittingly attract them bears have a better sense of smell than dogs and love humans food so the main strategy to avoid run -ins is to minimize any sense or attractants on your body composite or property if you're a hiker be more careful about various kinds of scents and things that you would have on you such as food deodorant and even chewing gum they're not saying anything about periods or tampons.

[2721] Okay, carry bear spread.

[2722] We already talked about that.

[2723] Okay, now this was important.

[2724] If you are attacked or pursued, react according to the species of bear.

[2725] I think this is important to know.

[2726] Typically, if you're in a place where there's just black bears, you would be bold and aggressive to a bear that approaches you.

[2727] Throwing things, standing tall, and yelling will drive away most black bears, although that strategy is not foolproof.

[2728] I've seen pretty scary videos where black bears have actually attacked people when they're doing everything right.

[2729] He says nothing's 100%.

[2730] If you run into a grizzly, your approach should be the opposite, backing away slowly and getting away from the situation without provoking the animal.

[2731] That's especially true with female grizzly bears with cubs, which can be particularly dangerous.

[2732] In an analysis of 675 bear attacks in Alaska, the vast majority of incidents in which bears charged occurred when people and bears confronted each other at close range within 10 yards or less in more than 50 % of those situations the person was not physically hurt that's interesting okay number seven never run you can't outrun a bear the best thing to do is walk away slowly from a bear if it already clearly sees you or I guess get big and throw things if it's a black bear number eight know when to play dead only play dead after a bear has made contact with you there's a lot to think about I know.

[2733] You come face to face and you're like, shit, what number am I on?

[2734] Well, first you have to know your bears.

[2735] Yeah, yeah.

[2736] Well, I know my bears.

[2737] Well, then you said, that some brown bears are black.

[2738] Yes, I know.

[2739] And many, many black bears can be brown.

[2740] But there's a huge size difference.

[2741] That's the main thing.

[2742] I mean, I have to think about this now when I go to Anthony and Allison's house because there was a bear in their yard.

[2743] Yeah, but it was a black bear.

[2744] It was brown, and apparently it was a brown black bear.

[2745] Yeah, that's what's starting.

[2746] Just get some bear spray.

[2747] I might.

[2748] Oh my gosh.

[2749] Well, maybe I could use it on my wogs too.

[2750] It could double duty.

[2751] I bet those people wouldn't move off the sidewalk if you sprayed them.

[2752] That's what I was referencing.

[2753] Came in hot.

[2754] I have to be, I have guilt.

[2755] Uh -oh.

[2756] I have to relieve some guilt here.

[2757] Okay.

[2758] This is a safe place to do so.

[2759] I feel bad.

[2760] I don't think those people are hanging out anymore.

[2761] Oh.

[2762] No, actually, I think.

[2763] I think maybe they picked a new place.

[2764] Don't be mad at me for this.

[2765] I am not mad at you.

[2766] Yeah, you are.

[2767] You're laughing.

[2768] You're ashamed.

[2769] No, I'm laughing.

[2770] And if you express guilt and then I was ashamed, I would be in trouble.

[2771] So just know that.

[2772] I'm laughing at this outcome.

[2773] I don't know if it's true.

[2774] Right.

[2775] I'm going with you and assuming it's true if you feel bad.

[2776] So I feel like maybe they disembodied their group.

[2777] Or maybe they did something smart And picked a better location for the hang Right Something happened I do feel bad though And then I'm also I'm annoyed that I feel bad Because I still believe that was not a good setup And that it caused people a lot of inconvenience Yeah But now I am worried that I ruined some friendships which I don't want to do.

[2778] There's no winning.

[2779] It reminds me of my favorite moment in this world on Stern, which is like he was way into Peloton and he would talk about his favorite teacher a lot on the show.

[2780] And then it's at least his conclusion that had gotten to her and she started kind of being performative to him specific.

[2781] Oh, no. Yeah, these things happen.

[2782] I mean, things get really out of control.

[2783] I know.

[2784] To hear him break it down.

[2785] Because it was also, this happened over many, many episodes, right?

[2786] It was like he would talk about her a lot.

[2787] And then it was, again, he thinks he observed a wink at one point, not a physical wink, but some type of wink, like a whina.

[2788] Okay.

[2789] And then it just evolved into he felt very, like the whole thing.

[2790] Yes, yes.

[2791] He just couldn't enjoy it anymore.

[2792] Fuck.

[2793] And so he had to stop using her as an instructor.

[2794] Oh, no. And I think he probably felt how you're feeling right now.

[2795] I mean, I've rogged past at least one girl I know was in the group.

[2796] Mm -hmm.

[2797] And she's like on her own now.

[2798] Oh, crying.

[2799] I always walk really fast by her.

[2800] Yeah.

[2801] And I don't make eye contact.

[2802] Okay.

[2803] Should I say sorry to her?

[2804] When you see her?

[2805] Yeah.

[2806] No, I have nothing to apologize for.

[2807] I'm not, I'm so scared.

[2808] I don't.

[2809] I'm saying you're scared.

[2810] I'm not scary.

[2811] I'm a normal girl.

[2812] Okay.

[2813] I'm not scared.

[2814] I am fearful that I'm going to say something that is going to sound like I'm on one side or another.

[2815] Okay.

[2816] And I don't want to be on one side or the other.

[2817] And I'm not thinking, but I was going to just.

[2818] hypothetically, walk through you broaching the topic with her.

[2819] Okay.

[2820] And how difficult that would be.

[2821] Because on one hand, you're going, this will sound so egomaniacal if I bring this up.

[2822] And no one has heard anything.

[2823] Yep.

[2824] I'm just saying, so that's.

[2825] Exactly.

[2826] That's dicey.

[2827] Yeah.

[2828] And then also I think it's a great policy to bring things up with people and see how they feel.

[2829] right so this is a very tricky dynamic the thing is if I started to apologize it would be weird because I think the right thing happened I think taking up an entire section of the sidewalk and not moving is not good if I were you and I felt as you've expressed to me you feel about it and I started talking with her I think I might inadvertently want to say I would first say, like, I'm so sorry you guys don't get together anymore, but then I would go, why didn't you just move?

[2830] Why did you have to break up and not just accommodate the pedestrians?

[2831] Exactly.

[2832] That's...

[2833] And so if that's, like, probably likely to come out, then maybe you do skip it.

[2834] Yeah, I don't know.

[2835] Because then you're just, you're kind of reinstigating the whole thing.

[2836] I know.

[2837] But I do want to know that.

[2838] Like, you guys could have just stepped out.

[2839] Right.

[2840] It would have been the easiest solution.

[2841] Everyone would have been happy.

[2842] Right.

[2843] Anywho.

[2844] Keep us updated.

[2845] I want you to take whatever side you want in this life and not be worried about the comments.

[2846] And speak your truth to me. You normally, you used to.

[2847] And I don't think it's, I don't think weird.

[2848] are who we are if we don't right but i okay additionally many times in life my point isn't worth me upsetting you it's not a cost benefit that works for me so if i'm going to like put you in a terrible mood because i take some position regardless of the comments yeah i'm likely to do that math and not touch it.

[2849] Okay.

[2850] You know, there's many things in my household I just stay quiet on.

[2851] I'll hear debates going on between the three of them.

[2852] Sure.

[2853] And I go, I have an opinion here, but I don't, it's not.

[2854] I don't need to say it.

[2855] It's not so vital that I share it.

[2856] Yeah, that's fair.

[2857] And it's not going to make the temperature in this room any better.

[2858] So why do it?

[2859] Right, but I get that at your house.

[2860] And I get it here too, and I do think I do that too.

[2861] but the reality is we're not here to live peacefully in your home.

[2862] Like, we are doing something.

[2863] So if you have an opinion, you're allowed to share it.

[2864] Yeah.

[2865] And by the way, there's lots of opinions I have that they rise to that burden, where it's like, I feel very strongly about this, the point where I'd feel like I was betraying myself to not push back about this.

[2866] And if Monica's mad about it, I'll deal with that.

[2867] Yeah.

[2868] But this certainly isn't one of the ones.

[2869] of them at all.

[2870] I'm guarantee you're doing that for me all the time.

[2871] Yeah.

[2872] Yeah.

[2873] That's it.

[2874] Well, happy Father's Day to you.

[2875] Happy Father's Day to you.

[2876] Thank you.

[2877] Good job fathering.

[2878] Thank you.

[2879] I'm very happy with it.

[2880] It's happy with the way it's going.

[2881] It's been the single best choice I've ever made.

[2882] Yeah.

[2883] Congratulations.

[2884] Thank you.

[2885] All right.

[2886] Love you.

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