#1826 - Fahim Anwar

[0] Joe Rogan podcast, checking out.

[1] The Joe Rogan Experience.

[2] Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

[3] Cheers, sir.

[4] Cheers.

[5] Good to see you, my friend.

[6] Likewise, thanks for having me. I was commenting the round ice.

[7] I'm a fan.

[8] Yeah, I like the round ice.

[9] It makes you feel fancy.

[10] Mm -hmm.

[11] You're a fancy person, drinking bourbon on round ice.

[12] Yeah, when in room, like, can we do this again?

[13] Yeah.

[14] You don't ever smoke cigars and drink whiskey unless you're with me?

[15] No, I do other people, but like, yeah, this is like the thing to do.

[16] You know what I mean?

[17] Yeah.

[18] Last time it was fun, we did it.

[19] Yeah, we're conversating.

[20] Yeah.

[21] I like that word too.

[22] Yeah, conversating.

[23] Conversating.

[24] It doesn't seem like it's a real word, but I think it is.

[25] I think so.

[26] Yeah.

[27] Good to see you, buddy.

[28] Likewise.

[29] It's fun hanging out last night.

[30] Yeah, I mean, I was here when things were shut down in L .A. with the pandemic.

[31] And I thought it was great then, like, the way Vulcan was set up.

[32] And then last night, it's like even more people, and they keep on, like, L. Yeah.

[33] Yeah.

[34] That's a fun show.

[35] Well, you know, the scene here right now is just on fire.

[36] It's hopping.

[37] There's so many comics here.

[38] It's really fun.

[39] Yeah.

[40] It's a good time.

[41] Like on any given night at Vulcan, we'll have Ron White, Tony Hinchcliffe, Tim Dillon stops in sometimes.

[42] Tom's a girl when he's not on the road.

[43] Christina Positsky stops in.

[44] There's so many comics here.

[45] Derek Poston's here.

[46] David Lucas is here all the time.

[47] Hans Kim, William Montgomery.

[48] I mean, it's fucking.

[49] fucking hopping.

[50] Yeah, I think that's part of the charm of that place, too.

[51] It was just people don't know who's going to pop in.

[52] Yeah.

[53] And even when I was here, I was here for like three months during the pandemic, it was cool.

[54] It almost felt like a festival city because it's that midpoint between New York and L .A. So I would see like Janice.

[55] I would see guys I just wouldn't see unless I was doing Montreal or something.

[56] Yeah.

[57] So it's this organic midpoint.

[58] Yeah, and there's also like other clubs, right?

[59] Like there's, with the other day we went over to see Ari.

[60] He was at the creek in the cave running his, uh, His new hour special that he's going to film July, I think it's 11th, 10th and 11th or 11th and 12th?

[61] 11th to 12th.

[62] I think one of them might have some tickets available.

[63] The 11th is sold out, but I think there might be a few tickets left for the 12th.

[64] Don't sleep because it's fucking good.

[65] His new special is called Jew.

[66] I was going to name mine that as well.

[67] He should.

[68] Yeah, I'm like, he's doing it out first.

[69] Yours is about to release.

[70] You should just change the name of yours.

[71] To Arish Fear Jew.

[72] Just rename everything.

[73] Just call it Ari Shafir Choo.

[74] That has nothing to do with him whatsoever.

[75] I just beat him to the title.

[76] That would be funny if we just start naming our specials after our friends.

[77] You know, you just name a special.

[78] Call it Neil Brennan.

[79] He's like, hey, man, why are you doing that?

[80] I like you.

[81] Come on, man. That has nothing to do with me. Do you know where he's going to put his, Ari's?

[82] I think he's going to do the YouTube route.

[83] We were talking about that last night.

[84] I honestly think that most of us are going to wind up doing that.

[85] I mean, I think there's a lot of money in Netflix, right?

[86] And Netflix is great, but for the widest possible distribution, I think you should put it everywhere and put it out for free.

[87] Yeah.

[88] Put it everywhere.

[89] Because that's what you're doing.

[90] When you're doing a special, you're essentially saying, hey, this is like an advertisement to come see me live, which is, it's way better live anyway.

[91] Like, I always say that coming to see someone in a club or in a theater or what have you is probably it's at least 30 or 40 % better than watch it on TV.

[92] Oh, for sure.

[93] At least, right?

[94] Yeah.

[95] It might be twice as good.

[96] It's always better live.

[97] Play better at life.

[98] But YouTube is to play now.

[99] Honestly, and I think I'm getting better about this, just giving compliments and giving flowers to people.

[100] Like, my hat goes out to Schultz.

[101] I think he really kind of broke it for all these comics and shifting our thinking.

[102] Because for the longest time, all of us were just hoarding our material because we were still in that old legacy Hollywood traditional Hollywood mindset.

[103] We're like all right, I have this polished stuff I'm waiting to be tapped.

[104] I'm waiting for Netflix to say you can do the thing you can do or I'm waiting for Comedy Central.

[105] We're waiting we're asking for permission to do something we already know we can do and he just saw the power of YouTube and was like no this is like powerful enough on its own and when he did that and all the comics kind of saw that's a route every now look there's like all the it's a clip economy on Instagram and everyone isn't so precious with their material it's they're taking their lead from music with SoundCloud and mixtapes it's like get it to the people exposure is more important than short money yeah like what's the point like this special mine's on YouTube because I just want eyeballs I made it myself I'm not trying to make money off this is this your first one no I did won the traditional route like on see -so was like who the fuck knows what Ciso was.

[106] Remember CISO?

[107] I do remember CISO.

[108] I was like Quibi before a quibby just like, yeah.

[109] What happened to all the, didn't Doug Stanhope had a, has a special on CISO?

[110] Yeah, Brody had one on there too.

[111] Did he Brody had one on?

[112] Yeah.

[113] So I mean, I'm glad it, it allowed me to have a special that way.

[114] It's in a theater.

[115] It's glossy.

[116] It's polished and all that.

[117] But it's in comedy jail.

[118] Like no one saw it because nobody knew what CISO was.

[119] Nobody knew how to get it.

[120] And Nobody wanted to, there was a paywall.

[121] And does CISO own it now?

[122] Well, Comedy Dynamics produced it, so they licensed it to Comedy Central.

[123] So it's on Comedy Central's YouTube, my first special.

[124] Oh, so great.

[125] You can watch it right now.

[126] My old one, yeah.

[127] What's it called?

[128] The old one's called, there's no business like show business.

[129] It's called the Arishishu.

[130] Yeah.

[131] But the new one.

[132] There's no business like show business?

[133] That's what you called?

[134] That's the old one, yeah.

[135] Boy.

[136] And then the new one's called Hat Trick.

[137] And I did that one at the store.

[138] And I directed it.

[139] I did everything.

[140] And this is the one you did each room.

[141] Yeah.

[142] You did the belly room, the OR, and the main room.

[143] Yeah.

[144] What was the order?

[145] I did the, I started with the OR, and then the main room, and then the belly room.

[146] And people ask why I did that order, and it just felt right.

[147] Like, in my heart and in my soul, I just knew that was the order I wanted to do.

[148] Because the OAR, I think, is the comedy store.

[149] Like, at its core, the original room is the comedy store.

[150] Yeah.

[151] And then the main room is kind of like Vegas style, big room, here it is, presentational.

[152] Right.

[153] And then the belly room is kind of like a hang.

[154] It's a vibe.

[155] It's like an 80 -seater, you know?

[156] Yeah.

[157] So I wanted to cap it up.

[158] I wanted to come out hot with the OR, show the extravagance of the main, and then close it out with like the night winding down in the belly.

[159] Nice.

[160] Yeah.

[161] And then there's interstitials.

[162] I just wanted to show the store for what it is.

[163] Because every time I see it in specials, you know, like Ari Shah.

[164] his there and everything they like they fancy it up louis k shot especially yeah yeah he did his in the main room yeah um but they dress it up and and i'm like that it's not exactly the store so i just wanted to really capture the vibe so in in the special in between sets i'm talking to like theo tim dillon um santino so you get to see like what it's like us hanging out before we go oh that's cool on stage yeah so it's a special from like a comedian's pov and and how did you arrange the conversations with like Dylan and Santino and all that it wasn't premeditated like the whole point of this like they didn't even know I mean I asked them obviously but I just had very skeleton maybe one guy with a camera shooting from afar and it just picked up organic conversations I'm not having the entire conversation on there but you get little vignettes and slices of what it's like in the hallway in the parking lot you know Brennan driving up fist bumping you know like it's what it's like to be a comic the store that's nice yeah and when did you film it maybe I'm trying to think like January or yeah a couple maybe like maybe two no February like February so things had just started to come back the store was finally fully operational like full shows and then some people wearing masks some weren't it was kind of like a choose your own adventure in L .A. with COVID so you'll see like maybe one person with a mask and one shot or yeah but it was like up and running it wasn't limited capacity it was it was running enough to do this type of special nice yeah i can't believe no one had done one this way so it was just my ace in the sleeve i'm like because i'm in this weird place where i've been doing stand -up 20 years i'm a comics comic like me and stuff and like artistically i'm further along than i am visibility wise why do you think that is i think I think I would enjoy I naively when I was younger and a younger comic I just thought if I'm funny and crushing the clubs and stuff and I have representation I trust my representation is getting it done like they will make it happen my job is just to like keep writing material doing well in the clubs I would get validation from other comics like oh my god that's grateful like I don't know why you're not popping or you're under the radar I'm like oh thanks man like that feels good when you get validation from other comedians, you know?

[165] Right.

[166] Like, that means more than anything.

[167] Like, when Burr texts me about a bit or whatever, that means more than any, like, getting a guest star on something.

[168] Because, like, I respect Burr, because I love stand -up.

[169] I respect the craft.

[170] Like, when you do it, like, that means more to me than these little Hollywood things.

[171] So I just trusted that my people would get it done.

[172] But they have big rosters.

[173] Like, people, your people don't care as much as you do about you.

[174] Do you think that's really what it is?

[175] What?

[176] Well, listen to what you just said earlier.

[177] You have a special that's on C -So.

[178] Yeah.

[179] So who the fuck saw that?

[180] Nobody.

[181] So how would people know about you?

[182] Yeah.

[183] Okay, here's the thing, though.

[184] Like, why do that?

[185] What about other stuff?

[186] What about other ways to get your name out there?

[187] And have you been on the road a lot?

[188] Yeah, I would go out a little bit.

[189] Yeah, that's not a lot.

[190] That's the thing.

[191] It's like you've got to develop markets.

[192] Yeah.

[193] Right?

[194] So you have to develop a following.

[195] A lot of guys, like Gabriel Iglesis, this is a great example.

[196] That guy developed a following just fucking hustling, just constantly hustling, constantly doing shows.

[197] Yeah.

[198] You know?

[199] Like, you didn't do that a lot.

[200] And you were also in the writing ecosphere.

[201] Only during the pandemic.

[202] Only during the pandemic?

[203] Like, that was my first, yeah.

[204] Yeah, because that just fell in my lap because stand -up wasn't happening.

[205] And then they were a fan of my stand -up and they go, do you want to write on the show.

[206] Because when you were out here, when you first came out here and you're staying at that apartment building, I remember, like, there were certain gigs you couldn't do because or you had to show up late because you had to be in Zoom.

[207] Prison, you're kind of the lighter, sorry.

[208] Yeah, sure.

[209] But they were cool.

[210] It was kind of nice being in this Zoom writer's room, and it's almost like you have this superpower because we'd be writing all day.

[211] And I'm like, hey, guys, can I leave early?

[212] I have to do this show with Joe Rogan and Dave Chappelle.

[213] And they're just like, yeah, yeah, go.

[214] What are you doing?

[215] It's like a rom -com.

[216] They're like, what are you doing?

[217] Get out of here.

[218] A rom -com.

[219] Kind of.

[220] Because it is kind of rock and roll what we do.

[221] Yeah.

[222] Yeah.

[223] Well, for people that don't do it, it's probably weird.

[224] The people that used to do it, you make the weirdest noises when you suck on cigars I watched like 1950s guys smoking cigars not saying there's a lot of great comics that got trapped in that writer's world yeah I can see never found out about them it's a tragedy you know to this day I say Owen Smith is one of the greatest fucking comics alive yeah and people don't know who he is unfortunately other than people talking about him because you you know, you can make a really good living doing what he does.

[225] It makes a very good living as a writer and a producer.

[226] But when you watch that guy, do you stand up?

[227] You're like, how is this guy not huge?

[228] Yeah.

[229] How is he not selling out theaters and stadiums?

[230] And he's fucking excellent.

[231] Yeah.

[232] His timing, his writing, everything's excellent.

[233] He's far beyond.

[234] You want to talk about a guy whose ability is far beyond his name?

[235] It's Owen Smith in my book.

[236] Yeah.

[237] That's my number one guy.

[238] I love him at the store all the time.

[239] He's very funny.

[240] guy in terms of like underrated guys yeah yeah i think once you get that writing opportunity you kind of decide what some guys just gravitate towards it you know some people get in a stand -up they do it for four years they get a writing gig and they're happy that's all they wanted to do they weren't like real stand -ups it was kind of a springboard for them but there's some people who do it and they're like i don't it's uh it's like a deal with a devil a little bit like yeah yeah you'll get complacent you'll get tired at night you don't want to to go out and do a set, the money's good, maybe you have some kids and a wife, and then you're in this, like, golden cage.

[241] Mm -hmm.

[242] Yeah.

[243] Tony was telling me how when he was doing it, he, you know, he did a lot of writing, but he never stopped doing sets.

[244] And they would say, man, come on, come out with us for drinks.

[245] You don't have to do a set, and you'd go, what?

[246] What the fuck did you say?

[247] Yeah.

[248] And his mind was very clear.

[249] He's like, I am a comic.

[250] I am doing this writing thing for money while I develop an act to be one of the best comics in the world.

[251] That's how I approach it too.

[252] Yeah, when I was writing in the room, because people were like, oh, you should just keep on doing it and just go down that rider path.

[253] But the thing is, then you, you, like, put out your flame.

[254] Like, the whole reason I got the job is because they liked my stand -up.

[255] Every opportunity I've gotten in Hollywood is because of my stand -up.

[256] Yeah.

[257] So why would I extinguish my superpower?

[258] You know?

[259] Because then you just become a writer, and there's nothing wrong with that, but that's more common than a very good stand -up.

[260] It's also, it's like, how do writers know if they're funny?

[261] You know, I mean, you know if you're funny when you interact with people.

[262] Yeah.

[263] But I guess you know you're funny if you're funny in a room.

[264] Like, perfect example.

[265] Matt Stone and Trey Parker.

[266] They're hilarious.

[267] The funniest fucking guys on Earth.

[268] They don't do stand -up.

[269] But South Park is one of the greatest shows the world has ever known.

[270] If not, the greatest comedy show of all time.

[271] is a real good argument that's the greatest comedy show of all the time the greatest cartoon of all time for sure and for how good it is for how long is amazing I don't know any show has had that type of consistency insane and apparently it's just Trey Parker he's a fucking complete maniac yeah have you ever watched that show what is it called seven days to air or six days of air something like that whatever it's called it's a great documentary I love that inside baseball stuff no matter what the subject is just I'm so fascinated it's interesting to see how the sausage is made you know and it's a lot of is Trey Parker there's people like that that are just wizards yeah you know they just they just have a thing and they know and obviously he's got a system completely down and they hire great writers and you know they've got the people at Comedy Central are smart enough to leave them the fuck alone which is rare you know to have a network it just sort of goes go ahead but it's always it's nice when you do have a conglomerate like that to just trust the artist because look what gets produced I think it's tough when you have a lot of cooks in the kitchen who don't My favorite things artistically are pretty singular in vision, like Chappelle's show.

[272] Right.

[273] They didn't have a lot of meddling in that, you know?

[274] Well, they started to meddle when it started to make a lot of money, and that was one of the reasons why Dave quit.

[275] When Dave, you know, got the offer, it wasn't the money that corrupted him where he's like, I don't need this $50 million.

[276] It was what it came with.

[277] It came with them trying to censor the show to make it more friendly to advertisers.

[278] Like they were literally telling him, don't say this, don't say that, do this, don't do that and Dave is like I see the fucking writing on the wall here and it's quite a legendary move to fucking vanish for 10 years and remember do you remember when he was doing shows in like Seattle yeah we would pull up with like a little portable speaker in the park and do a stand -up set and everybody's like what the fuck is going on is that Dave Chappelle yeah and he would just set up shop in the park and do stand -up it just added to the legend I think at the time the world was like what a dumb move he's going to regret this because i guess that's not betting on yourself to people you know yeah or it is betting on yourself and they're like why would you do that and then from the vantage point that we're at right now like what a move yeah fucking legendary yeah just and then when he came back you know he came back and started doing shows and kind of got into the groove again and then started killing it and then started putting out specials and and and then getting attacked what's your take on that What do you think is going on?

[279] Well, for sure, the Will Smith thing opened up the door to the idea to that guy, the guy who attacked Chappelle.

[280] And it's also, you know, this, there's a narrative that his jokes are transphobic.

[281] They are not.

[282] That set is not transphobic.

[283] That set, if you really watch it and pay attention to it, it has a transgender person in it, who he loved who was a good friend of his who he had open for him at shows at least one show and talked about with great love and respect and with humor but it wasn't transphobic it wasn't it wasn't it was about it had to do with a trans person but we live in this weird era where you can't even make fun of a thing unless you're a bad person you're you're a hater Like fun equals hate now.

[284] It's like Ricky Jervais is to catch in a lot of it now for his latest special.

[285] Yeah That fucking first 15 minutes of that special is fire.

[286] It's fire.

[287] It's the best Ricky that I've ever seen.

[288] It's his best shit.

[289] Yeah, and I was telling you, too, it's like the rotten tomatoes just shows you the disparity between what's going on in the country and what the critics are saying and same with Chappelle's stuff too.

[290] Well, the critics, the critics, you know, what are that?

[291] What does that mean?

[292] You know, they're just humans, right?

[293] But they're humans that are captured by a citizen.

[294] And that system is like either it's a system that's propagated by social media or it's a system that, you know, they're on a website that is almost, they're almost all like left -leaning websites that have a problem with it, which is really interesting.

[295] You know, it's like the right -wing website.

[296] It's like who would have thought that if you look back on the early days, what we used to think of as conservative versus liberal.

[297] Liberal was pro -free speech.

[298] People were open -minded.

[299] non -violent, you know, and people were open to other people's ideas.

[300] And the right was like suppressive, you know, nanny state, you know, condemn certain language, condemn certain behaviors.

[301] That's not the case today.

[302] Yeah.

[303] Today, the left has gone so fucking far left, so radical that the right are the ones that are celebrating comedians and celebrating Chappelle.

[304] Yeah.

[305] They had my back through all the crazy shit that happened with me. It was Fox News that fucking had my back Would you ever think that they would be the ones to cape for you Like, you know, 10 years ago?

[306] I'm so liberal Yeah Like I talk about it all the time Like I say I am not a conservative I'm not conservative But I am pro second amendment And I am a hunter And I am a cage fighting commentator And I you know And I drink and I smoke cigars And I like to bow hunt So there's a lot in there It's like hey Yeah But it's just being a human But I'm a compassionate person and I believe that there's a boy I'll tell you what though one thing that happened during this pandemic was I open it opened my eyes about human nature like I used to be a very pro universal basic income my thought was wouldn't it be great if you just had enough money so you could eat and you could pay your rent and then you could pursue what you wanted to but the reality of human nature came fully into focus when I realized that one When some people got all that money from the government, the COVID money, and then they got unemployment, they didn't want to work.

[307] I have a friend who has a restaurant.

[308] He could not get people to come back to work.

[309] And one buddy of mine, a bartender told him, I can come back to work, but I can only work for 20 hours a week because that way I get unemployment.

[310] So he wouldn't work more than 20 hours a week so he could get free money.

[311] So he could have made more money, but he didn't want to because he didn't want to work.

[312] so he was getting that free money and then my friend was like what the fuck man yeah like okay like and now he's you know it's always short staffed and it's a it's a mess yeah like you see a lot of people that are that own businesses that have a hard time finding people work for them so there's there's pros to that right the pros are people it's it's a marketplace that favors the worker so workers can ask for more money so you're seeing a lot of places like bar and restaurants and stuff that have to pay more money per hour, which I guess is good as long as a restaurant could stay open because it's at a challenge, well, not so much in Texas, but in California it's at a very challenging time because the time where everybody was shut down in California was radically extended as opposed to like other parts of the country.

[313] Yeah.

[314] And in Texas, things were just wide open.

[315] That's why I came out here.

[316] It was like a totally different world.

[317] Yeah.

[318] I remember I had that writing job.

[319] We were on Zoom and my nights would suck.

[320] I'm just writing by day.

[321] and then normally I would do stand -up at night and I'm not doing anything and I'm on Instagram and then I see Tony post sold out, uh, kill Tony and it's Anton's, you know?

[322] Yeah.

[323] And I'm like, what?

[324] Like you just kind of like snap my brain.

[325] I go, I could be doing this.

[326] So I'd call up Red Man. I'm like, how is it out there?

[327] I'm like, you got to come out here, man. It's great.

[328] Well, once the club gets open, after we get out of here, I'll take it to the theater.

[329] We're going to do some wild shit out of your fame.

[330] Yeah.

[331] but it's just sort of like even with like the agendas and stuff and that's why I kind of did my thing on YouTube too because I never fit into that Netflix mold or there's just certain people who pick certain things and they have a certain brand of comedy that they want to cultivate and I think the stock prize and what's happening because there's the mega famous people who have their specials and sure it's great home run Netflix but then the up -and -comers they're not some of them I'm not knocking all of them you know some of our friends are on there and they do well but like there's this they are under facilitating this whole market of comedy that is just underserved and I don't think that's what it is I really don't really yeah like Janice the special is great like why didn't he have one and he did his on YouTube it's fine yeah like do it on it doesn't matter it's like Netflix only has so many resources and so many spots and so many opportunities for people and do they make some terrible picks yeah yeah they do They've had some that just are bad.

[332] Everyone does that.

[333] Well, they leaned into it.

[334] They went woke.

[335] They gave it a shot and they went broke.

[336] You know, like the fucking, the price of the stock dropped radically.

[337] I mean, you saw what happened to Netflix's stock.

[338] A lot of that has to do with all this.

[339] Well, first of all, a lot of it had to do with some stuff that people really freaked out that they had.

[340] Like, was that cuties that fucked up show about young drag queens and everybody was like, what the fuck are you doing that was weird right and then it was was it young drag queens or was it girls too it's like young dancer like little girl dance teams or something like that wasn't boys right was there was a drag queen thing i'm i think i'm complaining the two there was a thing about young boys that were doing drag shows but i don't think that was the Netflix thing but the point is it's like you know there's like an ideological capture that happens when you're connected to these kind of corporate systems that are embracing wokeness and so you say well we're going to find comedians that reflect our ideals yeah yeah and our values but those aren't funny that's what's frustrating because I like funny you like funny I have always my whole life just gone by funny first and my identity is secondary that's why I love Tim Dylan.

[341] Like you wouldn't even know that he's gay.

[342] Like he doesn't, so many comics would lead with that.

[343] Yeah.

[344] And that would be their tent pole for the entire being.

[345] That's just like a crumb of what he is.

[346] He's so funny regardless of that.

[347] He barely talks about it.

[348] Barely talks about it.

[349] Like, I'm Afghan, but that is secondary.

[350] I want to talk about everything.

[351] Yeah.

[352] And that didn't fit that agenda because they have boxes and like they don't look at purely funny.

[353] Right.

[354] So I'm like, YouTube, I will trust America, you decide.

[355] I think that there is this marketplace now where it's like, fuck the system, it's punk rock.

[356] America, the world, you decide.

[357] Well, I think Netflix is embracing funny with Ricky Jervase and with Dave Chappelle and with Bill Burr.

[358] And there's a lot of other great comics that have Netflix specials that are just purely funny.

[359] You know, but they already have a big name.

[360] Yeah.

[361] Yeah.

[362] And the people that are coming up, like, you know, Joey Diaz had a bit that they, they told him he couldn't do and it was about Terry Cruz and it was fucking funny it was a very funny bit you know about you know Terry Cruz's me too allegations about how hot he is you know like how could gay guys resist him it was very funny but it was just they decided that he couldn't do that bit but meanwhile the audience said he could do that bit the audience was like yes I mean people were howling I was at the store and there was a fucking gay couple and they were high -fiving when Joey was doing that bit.

[363] I'm like, who are we offending?

[364] We're not offending these folks.

[365] This couple came to have to see a show, saw Joey do that bit.

[366] We're in a fend.

[367] It was a hundred percent like just comedy.

[368] It was clear what he was doing.

[369] It was just trying to make the most happiness and fun out of a story, out of a subject matter.

[370] Yeah, I think sometimes these places don't give the people enough benefit of the doubt.

[371] Right.

[372] And the only people who are allowed to talk about anything are already huge.

[373] But they're not going to allow Joey to do that.

[374] They're not going to allow me to do it.

[375] They're not going to allow, you know?

[376] Yeah.

[377] So YouTube, you can.

[378] Yeah, but you can on you.

[379] Well, he talked about Schultz.

[380] Like, Schultz released his stuff on YouTube and then he got a Netflix thing.

[381] Yes.

[382] So, you know, like his.

[383] They came back to him.

[384] Exactly.

[385] Well, he became, what I love this quote.

[386] I use it all the time.

[387] Be undeniable.

[388] He became undeniable.

[389] His shit on Netflix or his shit on YouTube and his shit on Instagram that turn your phone.

[390] on sideways stuff was so genius that they were like this fucking guy needs a show and they were like yeah and then when he put the show together it was excellent and so it was like it and a lot of people complained about it but that's about everything that's funny you're not going to make everybody happy if you're doing it the right way it's just how it goes yeah it was such a different way of doing things that it's it's become a blueprint for other comics and it's great like I think it's allowed me to do this as well and he's been really helpful I hit him up when I was going to do this YouTube release I go hey do you have any advice He gave me the full download He was so happy to help out It wasn't like I have the secret sauce And it's only for me He he wants this pushback to what it is It's great like we're all helping each other And we are the gatekeepers now It's not like one guy at a company anymore Yeah that's how it should be And we all support ourselves I talk about is probably too much For people are listening to this again But this is we have an organic network and the organic network is friends that have each other on each other's podcasts and talk about each other oh this guy's so funny oh my god you know go see chris de stephano go see you know yannas poppus or jo list or whoever these people are it's like we have a bunch of really funny friends and we let everybody know and then everybody sort of does each other shows we do shows together we do stand up together we do podcasts together we do specials and you know that's the way to do it and And that way it's natural.

[391] Like, if you are on Tom Seguer's show and Tom Seguer says, Fahim is fucking hilarious, like, bam, okay, Tom gives you the stamp of approval, everyone knows you're good to go.

[392] Yeah.

[393] Yeah, and it works that way.

[394] Yeah.

[395] Because there's no, there's no reason for him to lie.

[396] But, you know, if you go on a Tonight Show, I don't know, I'm saying a lot of tonight show, but any kind of late night talk show, they don't fucking pick those people.

[397] It's like, you know, Jimmy Fallon's not going to the clubs and making good friends with all the comics and trying to figure out who's the best guy to get on.

[398] They're just like, I mean, he's a good guy.

[399] Jimmy Town is a very good guy.

[400] But whoever gets on his show gets on his show because some executive goes and scouts or they get a packet sent by an agent.

[401] And, you know, that stuff is not really as appealing to people anymore because they've heard this.

[402] They've heard the raw stuff where people get together and just really just fucking drink scotch and smoke cigars.

[403] Totally.

[404] Talk shit.

[405] Man, like there is this shift, I think.

[406] before podcasting and before YouTube and Instagram where you can pull back the curtain to what comedy and stand up and this world really is, all we had was like the gloss of the Tonight Show and all that.

[407] But now people really like the nitty -gritty stuff and they're a little more savvy.

[408] They know about the comedy store, for instance, you know?

[409] Yeah.

[410] It's talked about so much on podcasts and everything.

[411] And like me doing my special there, it's like people get to see the hallways and stuff and like people want to see that element of it.

[412] just don't want to see the five minute tonight show thing or a special glossy paid audience like i just tagged along on a regular night of operation at the store it people didn't know i'm shooting a special like very small footprint like people had no idea i was taping and it was conscious because when i did my see -so thing it's like you load in the audience there's lights and it's sort of a recreation of your act that you've been developing in like grimy clubs but that's that's stand -up yeah when it's not being filmed right right right so i want to to capture the material, not do a recreation, presentation of the real material.

[413] You know what I mean?

[414] I know exactly what you mean.

[415] Yes, because it's a different type of laugh when people know they're being filmed as opposed to just them acting natural.

[416] Right, yeah.

[417] So there's a beauty to that too.

[418] Right, it's like when you go to, have you ever been to a filming of like the Tonight Show and they have the applause signs.

[419] Yeah.

[420] They tell you when to applaud.

[421] Train seals.

[422] or a sitcom or the...

[423] Oh, yeah.

[424] Well, you were on.

[425] Oh, God, yeah.

[426] So they have...

[427] In between, you know, the scene, the warm -up guy.

[428] Like, where are you from?

[429] Yeah, well, let's have a dance contest.

[430] You from Detroit?

[431] And where are you from Michigan?

[432] All right, guys, break.

[433] And it's like two dads.

[434] Did you ever do that?

[435] Did you ever do a warm -up?

[436] No. I got asked to, but I just...

[437] That's kind of like a writing thing, too, where you can go down that rabbit hole and people will only view you as a warm -up act.

[438] That's a problem.

[439] And you can't get out of that box.

[440] You're 100 % right.

[441] Like Brody was in that for a while.

[442] Yes.

[443] yeah Brody is just I mean you want to talk about a comics comic they didn't know what to do with Brody yeah because he was he was our guy but also because he was like a shooting star you try to capture that because they would try to film something and then Brody wouldn't be like Brody yes so it's hard to capture that in a bottle yeah isn't that though it's like he became a guy that was like a legendary live performer like you would go to see, you just wanted, you want to see him at the club.

[444] Like Don Barris, great example, right?

[445] Don Barris does a lot of warm up too.

[446] He does warm up for the Kimmel Show.

[447] But you really don't know Don Barris until you see him doing a 1215 spot at the store.

[448] Yeah.

[449] That's Don Barris.

[450] That's the real Don Barris, you know.

[451] There's some people who you can't capture their essence when you take the lens cap off.

[452] Like they just know, like, like, Holstman's one of those guys too where it's hard to capture.

[453] the magic of that.

[454] Joey Diaz is that way.

[455] Joey Diaz is that way, too.

[456] Yeah.

[457] Yeah.

[458] It's like putting a saddle on a horse or something.

[459] It just doesn't want it.

[460] Well, horses wear saddles all the time.

[461] I don't know if that's the best analogy.

[462] Let's see.

[463] A zebra?

[464] A zebra?

[465] Yes.

[466] Can we edit the horse thing out?

[467] I don't want people to know that I don't know my horses.

[468] Yeah.

[469] Put a saddle on a zebra.

[470] We were just talking about that.

[471] Like, because zebra, I said the zebras can't be tamed.

[472] And one of my friends sent me a video of a fucking guy who got a saddle on a zebra and was riding a zebra.

[473] And I'm like, that that's like having a wolf for a pet it's like do you really have a pet wolf you know or is that wolf just hang out with you because you feed them that's a good point it's like my dog marshall i love marshal he's the best every photo i like like i love marshal he's a real pet you know marshall is like the sweetest friendliest dog like i've never had a golden retriever before and i always had heard that they're like the best family dogs like he's not even like a dog he's like a magical creature that's like a love sponge he's like all he wants to do is like people come over the house he starts wandering oh oh you're here like everybody gets greeted like they're his new best friend does he bring a shoe no he usually brings stuffed animals he has he has a box of stuffed animals so when people start walking down the driveway towards the house he sees him and he runs to his box and he grabs a stuffed animal so cute so many of them will bring a shoe and I just love it like it's just so weird to me I know it's dog behavior but it's just so funny when a golden comes with the shoe like here you go they're retrievers yeah I know you like thank you yeah thanks for this one shoe that isn't mine well they get praised for retrieving like I've never had a dog that I could teach how to catch a ball and bring it back better than Marshall like he immediately did it from the time he was a baby like I had dogs and I would throw the ball to them they chase after the ball and go hey bring it back they'd be like fuck you and then they run away with the ball and he's like come on man I got to teach you how to do this you got to bring it back to me so you like chasing it right well I gotta throw it for you to chase it so you gotta bring it back to me and like like I had pit bulls before and they never wanted to give the ball back they're like I'd try to pull it out of their mouth they were playing tug -a -war yeah but Marshall came out the womb knowing how to do it out of the womb like right away I mean I don't remember teaching him how to fetch I think he just fetched like right away he fetched I used to have a cat that would fetch well yeah her name was Cosmo and I used to take like a little piece of paper and I'll crumple it up in a ball and I would throw it and she would chase it and she would bite it and she'd bring it back to me. I'd play fetch with a fucking cat.

[474] Some people will have outdoor cats or like go on a walk with a cat that's like weird.

[475] Yeah.

[476] It is weird.

[477] But that dog is a, that's a pet.

[478] A wolf, I had a friend who had he had three wolf dogs.

[479] They were like 7 -A's timber wolf.

[480] They were not his pets.

[481] I'd go over his house.

[482] I'd be like, oh, you got roommates that are murderers.

[483] He lived with a bunch of fucking Three wolves They were real wolves They were big man Big ass fucking dogs I went to go see the bats You know underneath the bridge Oh yeah Is that every night Yes Every night at dusk Yeah it's interesting It's like bat Coachella Everyone is just on that hill They're like The bats are gonna come out Even during the pandemic Like they didn't develop a bat phobia No Yeah and it started from Supposedly Yeah yeah But they didn't get to shit They're like They're not gonna bite me They're just going to fly by me. Yeah.

[484] But it's just so funny seeing all those people on the hill and on the bridge, like, bats, bats, it is weird when you see them come out because they come out.

[485] So many.

[486] Yeah, there's like this big flow of them.

[487] Apparently there's millions of bats under there.

[488] So was that just inadvertent?

[489] They built this bridge and they go, oh, fuck, we built the perfect bat habitat?

[490] I believe so.

[491] Huh?

[492] Yeah, because when you go under that bridge, have you ever been under that bridge?

[493] No, I've just seen it from like a far.

[494] If you go under in a boat or something like that, you can hear them.

[495] Oh, yeah.

[496] I would call that the sound check, just like when they're about to come out.

[497] You hear this fucking weird noise.

[498] It's kind of creepy.

[499] Let's find out how many bats.

[500] I said millions.

[501] It was a never -ending stream of bats.

[502] I think it's at least a million.

[503] We left.

[504] We walked out on the bat show because it was just lasting so long.

[505] Like, we get it.

[506] They're flying away.

[507] But the thing is like you need those bats because those bats keep the insect population down.

[508] Those bats are, they're predators.

[509] They're out there eating bugs I don't know how long do bats live That's a good question Do they live longer than a year?

[510] Let's guess Probably right Let's guess I'll say a bat lives Like a dog A long life for a dog is like 15 years I'll say five Five or seven Yeah I'll say five Most bats live less than 20 20 years Six species live more than 30 And you were not wrong There is an estimated 750 ,000 to 1 .5 million bats.

[511] It's a lot of bats.

[512] But they're migratory, so they come and go.

[513] Oh, wow.

[514] I wonder where they go.

[515] Mexico.

[516] Oh, they go to Mexico.

[517] They fly from Austin to Mexico and back?

[518] They go to party, dude.

[519] They go for the drugs and they come back.

[520] Yeah.

[521] Which is what everybody would do if we all had jet packs.

[522] Imagine if everybody could fly.

[523] All your borders would be bullshit.

[524] That's the only thing that keeps people in countries, Like the only way you have border protection, all that shit, is the fact that you have people stuck on Earth with gravity.

[525] My God, can you imagine once jet packs become ubiquitous, like border patrol is going to be, it'll be like the Mandalorian just fighting people trying to come over in the sky?

[526] I think they'll just give up.

[527] We won't have the resources to stop it.

[528] I mean, ultimately, look, I think right now, especially given the laws that we have now and the fact that, you know, fentanyl comes across the border and terrorists come across the border.

[529] and there's a real situation.

[530] The world is not at peace.

[531] But wouldn't it be great if people could kind of go anywhere they wanted and everywhere was a place where you could live and thrive?

[532] Like imagine a world where every place was like a city that had opportunity and freedom and democracy and was thriving and had good food and nice people.

[533] Like Austin has good food, nice people, polite.

[534] Not too overcrowded, plenty of resources.

[535] Wouldn't it be great if the whole world was like that?

[536] Pretty great.

[537] And you could kind of go anywhere you wanted.

[538] I will say, it feels more crowded than when I was here.

[539] It seems like there's more people here.

[540] Really?

[541] Yeah.

[542] Somebody told me the population doubled, like, in the last year.

[543] Rainy Street is crazy.

[544] Is it always like that?

[545] Well, this is Memorial Day weekend, first of all.

[546] Like last night was nuts on 6th Street.

[547] Did you go out afterwards?

[548] No. Sixth Street was mobbed.

[549] We were driving like, this is fucking nuts for a Sunday night.

[550] and then my friend Sean was like oh it's a Memorial Day weekend I was like that's right I didn't even think of that it's not normal to have that many people on a Sunday night but it's kind of normal like and on any given Tuesday or Wednesday when we do the Vulcan it's mobbed the club's mobbed and the streets are mobbed and it's just it's a unique place it is it's really unique yours is on on there right don't tell it oh fuck fuck I mean it's somewhere else It's going to be awesome.

[551] Just wait.

[552] I can't wait to show you because we have so many cool things that are in the place that we're putting together.

[553] It's wild.

[554] How did you design it?

[555] What was going through your head?

[556] What do you want it to be?

[557] Is there a vibe you're trying to capture?

[558] Is there other clubs that you kind of are trying to pull some things from?

[559] Well, I want to make it very hospitable to comics and obviously to audience members too.

[560] But one of the cool things about the store was the hang, you know, is that like, you know, Like, it's our home base.

[561] Yeah.

[562] You know, so the name of the club is the comedy mother's show.

[563] Yeah.

[564] And the reason, I want it to be like a feel, I want you to feel like this is your, this is mother.

[565] This is home.

[566] Like, you can do the road from here, you can hang out, and you'll always be welcome.

[567] You'd be taken care of.

[568] Like, I want to give the comics health insurance and.

[569] Whoa.

[570] For real?

[571] Yeah, for real.

[572] That's so not typical.

[573] That's like insanity in America.

[574] Yeah, but it should be like that.

[575] But you know how many comics have paid for their first?

[576] fucking surgeries when comics that have like things wrong with them and I find out like what's wrong you okay and like um I got something wrong at my neck I'm like what's wrong tell me what's wrong and then I take care of it like it's I've had I've had that happen multiple times because a lot of us you know in the early days you're broke and you're barely paying your rent you can't afford surgery yeah you can't afford insurance and so if something goes wrong you're kind of fucked for sure like uh I feel like standups were the lowest rung on the entertainment ladder At least actors have SAG health insurance and writers.

[577] There's nothing like that for stand -ups, really.

[578] It's just you're alone out there.

[579] And you just have to hope you have friends if some calamity befalls you.

[580] Like a go -fund me or hopefully you know the person, you know?

[581] And that's kind of fucked up.

[582] Well, the idea is to make, you know, make it more.

[583] But again, you got to be careful that you don't set it up where people become too lax.

[584] And they get, you know, people have a tendency to sort of like relax too much.

[585] And I don't mean relax too much like not enjoy your life.

[586] I want people to enjoy their lives.

[587] But I also want them to work hard.

[588] And I don't mean work hard like struggle.

[589] I mean, put in effort and actually try, like, it's that's uncomfortable.

[590] It's uncomfortable to put in effort.

[591] But it has to be rewarded.

[592] And it has to be encouraged.

[593] And that's how people develop a whole community of other people doing the same thing.

[594] And then it feels good to do that because you're, You're one of the people that's doing that.

[595] So as you're writing every night, and as you're trying new stuff, people pat you on the back, hey, Fahim, your new fucking shit is awesome.

[596] That's great.

[597] Like, that's a great feeling, right?

[598] And it's great when you see other people that are going up and doing new stuff and writing all the time, and it encourages that.

[599] You know, so you gotta encourage hard work as well as like make things better for people.

[600] Yeah, it just, it makes you better as a comic too.

[601] Just know, that's why I like being out in LA and like being at the store, just seeing some of the guys, you see what they're doing and then it makes you do inventory with yourself and you know where the bar is yeah whereas if you're in like ohio or something i know you know sometimes you'll do the road and someone's featuring for you or something and they're like yeah this is like my second time getting up this month i get up twice a month and it's like your heart goes out to them because you're not going to be able to develop which is that those few data points that there's no no one develops in a vacuum like you never go to like a place that doesn't have a comedy scene and you see one guy who's just a fucking wizard who's so good in this one scene.

[602] Maybe you might see more of that today because you see a lot of internet comedy where like people get a chance to see comedy.

[603] Like even if you don't get a chance to visit the cellar, you can watch sets from the cellar on YouTube or Instagram or what have you.

[604] You know, so I think you probably have more of a chance of developing somewhere else, but really you need an atmosphere.

[605] You need an atmosphere of other people that are also doing it.

[606] Yeah, that to see what your peers are doing and then also just that feedback from the audience.

[607] Sometimes, you know, people will see you perform and they'll be like, I don't know how you go, you're so amazing, that's so great.

[608] And like you are, but you've developed the skill where the audience is your editor.

[609] The audience is doing all the work for you if you're listening.

[610] That's our whole job, is just listening, actively listening and being an editor because we have kernels of ideas, but the audience shapes them into what it is.

[611] For sure.

[612] So, like, I'll go in with some rough stuff, like, it's just clay, and then the laughs dictate these polished bits, and, like, I love that about stand -up the most.

[613] Yeah, and stuff comes out, like, while you're in the middle of talking, you have a new idea that'll come out of nowhere, that'll branch off, you know?

[614] Yeah.

[615] That's why, like, I always tell comics that you have to have, you don't have to, like, let me stretch this, like, you can do it any way you want.

[616] Some guys don't write at all, and they're great.

[617] Yeah.

[618] They're great fucking comics They just go up a lot And they remember what they said And some guys write exclusively And they go up and they basically have Like a fully formed bit When they get to the stage And they kind of tweak it and edit it And then some guys just improvise Like literally just go on stage With a premise and just under the pressure Of the audience improvise I think you should do all those things I think you should write I think you should improvise And I think you should You should go up as much as possible I think all those, like, people say I write on stage.

[619] I'm like, I can't write on stage too.

[620] Like anyone can run on stage, but I actually sit down.

[621] Like last night I got home, I sat in front of the fucking computer for two hours.

[622] And I might have nothing out of that, or I might have my best bid ever.

[623] Yeah.

[624] I never know.

[625] And you don't know until you try, you know, just stay the fuck off of YouTube.

[626] Don't jerk off.

[627] No incognito mode.

[628] I got to buckle down.

[629] And just right, you know.

[630] Yeah.

[631] So what I do it is I have two laptops.

[632] I have a laptop that is like my like what's going on the world laptop.

[633] And then I have a laptop like, okay, time to write.

[634] I pull that fucker out and I'm writing.

[635] I found I will, I like maximizing my stage time.

[636] Any show I do, I know what I want to achieve with that show.

[637] I know what, this is a lesson that came later in life for me too is when I was, I just, the part of standup I love the most is chasing the new bit.

[638] I'm always chasing.

[639] I did it to a detriment early on.

[640] and what clicked for me was knowing what to do what bits to do on what show.

[641] I just do it to a detriment.

[642] What do you mean?

[643] It might be a showcase or something and I'm like, oh, let me try this new thing I thought of tonight or like earlier today.

[644] I think it's, you know what I mean?

[645] Where I didn't realize I need to shine in this show not try a new bit.

[646] Right, right, right.

[647] So once it clicked for me knowing what to do, what needs to be achieved on what show.

[648] Is this an impressed show?

[649] I'm beyond that now.

[650] Like, I'm known in L .A. and shit.

[651] Like, it's kind of nice to be, farther enough in your career where the store trusts you and you can take big swings and like I'm a man I'm fine you know but when you're coming up and the you're not a paid regular yet it's a problem for a lot of comics or they never write because they always want to kill so they'll do the same 15 minutes everywhere they go yeah for years and years and years so you got to know where to do that and if it's a bar show why the fuck are you trying to smash at some bar show that you're not getting paid for work on some new stuff yeah you're you're getting a hamburger you don't owe them it depends if you're a one -year comic or whatever okay you need to get your chops and all that but if you're five years in and you're doing the same 15 yeah every show you're you're wasting these different types of shows yeah well people get scared you know and there's like two arguments like yeah you get scared but also if you just do that same act over and over again then you're bobby lee and you have 15 minutes of fucking thunder you know bobby's set when he does a set it's so tight because he's been doing it for a hundred and fifty years he wants to we've talked about it and it's kind of a like he he has ideas but he likes crushing but Bobby is he's like bigger than comedy too he has to podcast and it's upside down oh that makes sense you're like fucking with your thumbs I'm like yeah so he's he wants to write new stuff well he's he's the unique he's the one that like you could point to there's a guy that should have done a special a long fucking time ago but he's also there's a lesson to be learned from that as well just performance wise because I'll see him you know I see him at the store all the time and I get tired of stuff very quickly and when I see Bobby breathe new life into bits that I've heard for a while it is kind of a reminder to me like how to sell the jokes like you don't have to give up on stuff like a good bit is a good bit right there are a great performance elements to learn from Bobby, you know?

[652] He knows all the beats.

[653] He knows all the beats.

[654] He knows where all the corners are.

[655] He knows how to make it different each time.

[656] So there is nuance in that even.

[657] Yeah.

[658] But he started doing his show in Brea where he does new material.

[659] And so he's starting to, like, chip away at that.

[660] He needs a whole second hour so he could put an hour out.

[661] So he needs training wheels.

[662] I've been telling Bobby just like, why don't you have a special?

[663] Everybody has been.

[664] But he's been fine without it.

[665] I think we just selfishly want to see it as friends and comedians.

[666] We want him to do better.

[667] Yeah.

[668] Yeah, that's all it is.

[669] And you also, when someone's as good as Bobby is, you want the world to know, like, that this is, you know, like people that have seen him know, but I want everybody to see it.

[670] But it's that thing.

[671] You know, it's, I think there's a lot of anxiety and fear in almost every profession that people do.

[672] I mean, how many people work for someone and become, like, a very valuable asset to the company?

[673] but really feel like they're not getting appreciated enough and they have to decide to make a leap and go on their own.

[674] There's a lot of people like that.

[675] And then maybe you have a wife and children or a mortgage or a family that are taking care of, family members that depend on you and you can't really take that chance.

[676] You don't know how you take that chance and also take care of all your obligations.

[677] It's fucking hard, man. That's why comedy is a young person's game in the beginning, In the struggling days Like if you want to start comedy at 50 Fuck I know Good luck bro You ever have those guys After a show They'll come up to you To pick your brain They're like Hey I'm a programmer from Oracle I'm like 47 years old I've been writing jokes And like you don't want to tell them That it's too late It's not too late It can be done Like Robert Chimmer Robert Chimel Who was one of the best ever Robert didn't start doing stand -up until he was 36.

[678] Oh, wow.

[679] Yeah.

[680] And he was fucking great.

[681] Anything can be done.

[682] It's just stand -up's a lot of hard work, no matter what age you are.

[683] Dean Del Rey didn't start until he was deep in his 40s.

[684] He's inspiring, too, just to see, because, like, I remember when he started, like, I was many years in when he started.

[685] And, like, you don't know, you don't think someone, because Dean's an outlier.

[686] Most guys that age starting will do it for three years and, like, I'm out.

[687] Yeah.

[688] But he, I think he does.

[689] like 300 sets a year.

[690] He tries to hit a certain amount every year.

[691] He's, you know, he's an interesting case because, you know, he had a long history of performing, you know, as a musician.

[692] You ever hear him sing a whole lot of rosy?

[693] He's great.

[694] Yeah, great voice.

[695] Dude, he's really good.

[696] Yeah.

[697] Like, he put, him and Burr were doing, what they would do is they would do music during the day before a show.

[698] So they would show up at, like, a big, iconic venue.

[699] And they would set up drums, and recording and they would fucking just sing and for the fun of it because Burr is really good on the drums Oh yeah, he gets lessons and everything I heard when he was doing his show The Kia Forum They rented out so he paid for the place So he just brought his He got a drum lesson in the Kia Forum What's the Kia Forum?

[700] The Great Western Forum Yeah Same form?

[701] Yeah, LA Forum Yeah Is this him?

[702] Let me hear this This is his tribute to Bon Scott He's really talented Like legitimately good as a singer.

[703] And so for him, you know, he was like, man, this fucking music business is a goddamn grind.

[704] Yeah.

[705] You know, I'm friends with the band Honey Honey, the formerly band formerly known as Honey Honey and Suzanne Santo is a really good friend of mine.

[706] And I went to see her live the other day in Austin.

[707] And, you know, I know how talented she is.

[708] I've known her for at least 10 years.

[709] but when you see someone live that's that talented and that good and she sings and she plays musical instruments she's playing violin she's playing guitar and singing she's so fucking good i'm like how is she not famous how is she not like uber famous like taylor swift style famous like there's plenty of people like that art is just strange and that it's subjective and like there's some music i listen to some artists where i'm like they just resonate with a certain vibration with me where i'm like this should be the biggest thing in the world and it's not and I will do whatever I can to blast it out if I like a song and all that and you want that for them but I think all of art is just you are compelled to do it and it's just bursting out of you and whatever happens happens but like the special I'm proud of it hopefully it does what it does I don't have any expectations like I just made the thing that I wanted to make without any interference and I'm very zen and peaceful about that that's awesome yeah that's what it's all about Yeah, I just keep doing that.

[710] Yeah, keep doing that.

[711] You'll be great.

[712] I mean, you're already doing well Keep doing that and you'll do better.

[713] That's just really what it's about and the beautiful thing about having something out there like you did and putting it on YouTube is it's super accessible.

[714] People are listening to this right now.

[715] They're going to pause this on Spotify and go over to your YouTube page and they're going to watch your show and they can get it like that.

[716] That's partly why I did it because if it was there is.

[717] Bam, we're getting it.

[718] See?

[719] Look how quick that was.

[720] Is there volume?

[721] Yeah, give me some volume.

[722] Freddie Prince, Red Fox, Andy Copp, we're looking at Eddie Murphy, all the names on the wall.

[723] But I thought, I came up with all my bits at this place.

[724] Why not to shoot it here?

[725] And every time I see the store in specials, it's shot in only one of the rooms.

[726] The main room, the original room, or the belly room.

[727] I wanted to do all three, the hat trick.

[728] And I didn't want to dress it up or smoke it out.

[729] I just wanted to show the place for what it is.

[730] home oh this is awesome that's so cool it does seem like there's Annie that's awesome is that fit Simmons yeah nice fuck yeah look at Bobby brings you up so I go on the road sometimes and sometimes I bring comics on the road this guy I used to bring on the road and he got too strong I can't follow him he's really fucking funny this guy is literally one of the best joke writers in this country I love him Fihim Andmore everybody clap your hand yeah Bobby has this weird thing and you went up dressed like you would dress on any given night that's cool too like you go a baseball hat I didn't want to make it precious and I hope that people respond to that like there's something nice about the look behind the curtain you know And there's no smoking mirrors.

[731] And I like that they're not there for me. They're there for probably a bigger person on the lineup in all the rooms.

[732] I'm probably like the most medium guy on these lineups or whatever.

[733] So there's something romantic about making strangers laugh.

[734] Yeah, they're not my crowd.

[735] And so are you doing, how many minutes in each room?

[736] Like 14, 15, you know.

[737] Oh, so you're doing it like a regular set?

[738] Yeah, these are just my regular sets.

[739] Nice, nice.

[740] So it's all about capturing.

[741] So you just put three regular sets together and strung them together into one show.

[742] And you see me walk around and shit.

[743] Dude, way to go.

[744] This is cool.

[745] You fucking managed to do something unique.

[746] I like it.

[747] I love it.

[748] Because I knew I was due for another special and I was going to do it like my other one but I'm like, who cares?

[749] You know, if I did this material at a theater like who gives a shit, there's so many specials.

[750] And I thought I am a store guy.

[751] That is unique.

[752] Not everyone is passed at the store.

[753] Um, it's, I have access to this building and this just elevates it.

[754] You see, you see, like, Jesselnik's bringing me up in the main room.

[755] Um, Bobby brings me up in the O .R. You see these titans of comedy, uh, and it's just a regular night at the store.

[756] Because people don't realize that this is a hub for us.

[757] We're all on the road and then we all come to this place to work out.

[758] And did you tell like Jasselneck that you were filming?

[759] I got clear.

[760] Yeah, I had everybody.

[761] That's cool.

[762] Wow.

[763] That's really cool, dude.

[764] You nailed it.

[765] What a great idea.

[766] It's a really great idea.

[767] And it's interesting, like, all the years and years of people doing comedy, nobody figured out how to do that.

[768] Dude, it's almost like, has anyone done this?

[769] I can't believe I'm the only one to think of this.

[770] It's like I invented the wheel or something.

[771] Like, how has nobody done this?

[772] It's a really good idea.

[773] But what's crazy is, because I did it on my own, I had to do, like, tech stuff, too.

[774] I had to figure it out.

[775] So I had to learn how to plug it into the soundboard.

[776] I was literally hooking up audio equipment backstage before I'm going on hitting record They introduced me I go out there I was like in the shit I was like half tech guy half artist to get this thing done Wow but that's what you got to do Yeah, why not?

[777] I think people make stand -up We're taking the ownership back I think there's this shift happening because before we just trusted the system We would show up do the thing make the product and we would just perform and that's it And now we're having to be entrepreneurs as well.

[778] We're having to take ownership of our own business and careers.

[779] Well, when you see guys like Schultz that sort of pioneer that level of hustling, like he hustled so hard and put his stuff on YouTube and became like this giant theater selling act because of that, did it all in front of our face.

[780] Everybody watched him do it all on his own.

[781] That's like, guys like that, they set the bar and they change people's ideas of what's possible.

[782] if you're really smart and you have a really good focus and you come up with a game plan.

[783] Yeah, there's too many tools at our disposal nowadays that if you are not doing stuff like what Schultz is doing or this or doing it on your own, then that is your fault.

[784] If you were in the 70s or 80s, you were kind of beholden to the system.

[785] You couldn't reach the masses on your own.

[786] So you had to have the right person like you at the Tonight Show.

[787] I was even thinking about this.

[788] Remember back in the day, the path for a stand -up you would try to get on the Tonight Show that was like early stand -up right and then you would try to get a sitcom say like in the 90s you would try to get a sitcom act in the sitcom and then that would boost you as a comedian but nowadays if you are a stand -up comedian and you get on a sitcom nobody cares like nobody watches anything it's so fractured the viewership that even if you get on an ABC sitcom as a stand -up no one really cares I feel like podcasting and this world is the new acting.

[789] So now when I get an audition and they go, hey, it's like three months in Atlanta and it's like a very small show or some cable thing, that's great if you just want to be an actor, but it's not going to help your stand -up.

[790] Right, right, right.

[791] Whereas back in the day, it would.

[792] Well, it'll help you a little.

[793] Like there's some guys that get on TV shows and they start doing really well on the road.

[794] Stand -ups?

[795] Yeah.

[796] Like who?

[797] That's a good question.

[798] It used to be the only way, right?

[799] So it became like a well -worn path, and everybody would want to get on a sitcom.

[800] You got on a sitcom or on some other show, like The Soup or, you know, like some kind of a show where you could be on television and showcase that you have, like, a funny personality.

[801] And then that would be an ad to get to you to come to the clubs.

[802] Like, Stanhope said that best.

[803] We were talking about doing TV projects, and he was, let's be honest.

[804] Like, every time you do a TV project is really just an ad to get people to come see you at the clubs.

[805] I was like, you're 100 % right.

[806] You're 100 % right.

[807] But the problem with that way is that everybody wanted to do a specific kind of comedy because you wanted to get a television show.

[808] So, like, you wouldn't try to be, like, I remember there's a guy who was the host of an open mic night when I was up and coming, and he was like a local headliner in Boston.

[809] local professional and he was telling me to stop swearing and telling me that I should stop talking about sex and talking about things that make people uncomfortable and I said but but my favorite comedians all do that I go like my favorite comedian so like Sam Kinnison and and dice Clay he goes I got news for you you're not dice clay and I was like well how do you become dice clay like what are you saying like you're saying that there's only one style of comedy even though the best ones are like Richard Pryor or Eddie Murphy, who didn't follow that at all?

[810] Like, what are you saying?

[811] And this is me back then trying to figure out what was going on here.

[812] And so the path was, and Jay Leno still believes this to this day.

[813] We actually talked about it when we're doing that Comedy Store documentary.

[814] He still thinks to this day, you've got to be clean, and that's the way you get the big, long market.

[815] You know, you're just going to get short -term success if you're dirty.

[816] I'm like, this is such a crazy conversation, like clean or dirty.

[817] Like, I do not give a fuck.

[818] My favorite comedians are clean.

[819] Gaffigan, clean, genius, brilliant.

[820] Brian Regan, Brian Regan, clean, genius, brilliant.

[821] Nate Bargazzi, clean, genius, brilliant.

[822] It doesn't matter, it's just good.

[823] It's just, we don't care.

[824] Like, with like, those guys to us are, there's no different.

[825] It's the same, it's the same.

[826] It's just funny, however you're funny.

[827] It's funny, however you're funny.

[828] It's just, are you, what are you doing?

[829] Like, you're just doing comedy.

[830] Like, I don't want to tell you how to do comedy.

[831] However you do, if you want to do clean comedy, fuck, yeah, I'd like watching.

[832] It's hilarious.

[833] I love the fact that, like, if I'm watching a Gaffkin special, my 12 -year -old walks into the room, I don't have to go, hold on.

[834] I have to pause.

[835] You know, if Cat Williams is on.

[836] I'm like, hey, get out of the house.

[837] You're not ready for this.

[838] Get out of here.

[839] Get out of here.

[840] You know?

[841] Was news radio big for you?

[842] Like, at the time?

[843] News radio was, like, medium big.

[844] Yeah.

[845] It's like I was just one of many people on a very talented ensemble.

[846] I was only one of eight people.

[847] Did that help with stand -up, though?

[848] Were people coming out?

[849] Yeah, a little bit.

[850] Yeah, it helped.

[851] Yeah.

[852] What was the first big thing, do you think?

[853] It was probably Fear Factor.

[854] That was after, though, right?

[855] But that was 2001.

[856] Fear Factor was 2001, right after News Radio.

[857] That's when things really started, that's when I really started selling out really well.

[858] But it was like some people knew me as a stand -up, and some people just knew me as the Fear Factor guy, and a lot of people get upset.

[859] You were telling me backstage about, like the early days when you're doing Fear Factor.

[860] upset.

[861] Because they had this idea of who you were from the show.

[862] Yeah.

[863] Yeah.

[864] And I had these very controversial bits like about like Anna Nicole Smith and her husband and people are like what are you doing?

[865] But what I think is so funny is that the audience is like we expect better from the fear factor host.

[866] We thought he'd be clean.

[867] They thought it was because well I was clean on TV.

[868] That makes sense to me. It's like but people get programmed to like think a certain way like this is okay and this is polite and this is not polite and that you shouldn't joke around about certain things because at work I'm not allowed to joke about certain things and on television they don't joke about certain things so if you're at a club how are you allowed to joke about those things because it's a club but I know they don't want to hear that though they come to see the guy from TV it's not a lot of people yeah but it was a percentage of people but I was like look I could either become a different person and only cater to those people which a lot of guys did This is the point.

[869] A lot of guys, they developed an act specifically to attract the television world.

[870] But that's fleeting.

[871] If you are conforming.

[872] But it's not fleeting.

[873] But it's not fleeting.

[874] This is what you're wrong.

[875] No. No, no, no. In the day, when you were Tim Allen, if you could be Tim Allen and get on home improvement, you're one of the fucking richest guys on earth.

[876] Like those guys, like the Jerry Seinfelds, when they developed a show, they were the owner of the show, they were the star of the show, and they got ownership in the show.

[877] They made preposterous amounts of money.

[878] And that's what everybody was chasing.

[879] And a lot of guys weren't happy.

[880] Like Richard Jenny was like notoriously not happy because he never became that sort of Jim Carrey movie star guy.

[881] Even though he was for comics, he was one of the best comics alive.

[882] He was so fucking good, man. Why do you think that is?

[883] I know you're a big Jenny guy.

[884] Like, what do you think that disconnect?

[885] Why did it not happen that way?

[886] You know, I think for a lot of comics, there's a lot of self -hate, right?

[887] And so you're chasing love when you're doing stand -up.

[888] You're chasing the love of the audience.

[889] The way you get that love is to come up with the funniest shit.

[890] And some guys develop funny shit just because they're funny.

[891] And some guys develop funny shit because they just really want that love.

[892] And that's the best way to get to it.

[893] And you know, guys are like a combination of those things.

[894] Different people that do the art are doing it for different reasons.

[895] Like I know women that do it that came from a great family.

[896] And then I have some of my funniest friends who also came from fucked up families.

[897] when I talk to them about it.

[898] And I think for a girl, it's probably even harder because it's not a situation where if you're in front of a bunch of guys, like it's not a situation where you get treated equally the moment you get on stage.

[899] They don't just go, boy, can't wait to see this really funny chick.

[900] They go, oh, I hope she's funny, right?

[901] Yeah, but I think that...

[902] There's a prejudice that men have towards women controlling the microphone and then also talking about certain things like women who have opinions on politics.

[903] Like a lot of guys.

[904] They don't want to hear that.

[905] You know, it's a weird thing.

[906] It's like, I think it's like there's another several steps if a girl does stand up.

[907] Yeah.

[908] Don't you think?

[909] Yeah.

[910] Also, though, I think that happens just with any comedian who takes the stage and is not known.

[911] You're starting from zero or a deficit.

[912] For sure.

[913] There is this like, is this guy thinks he's funny?

[914] You got to prove yourself funny.

[915] You're unfunny until proven funny.

[916] For sure, but don't you think there is a prejudice that women aren't as funny?

[917] That exists.

[918] in the world, yeah.

[919] So they go up for the most part with at least skepticism from some audience members.

[920] Yeah.

[921] Which is too bad, you know, because it's just, it's not, it doesn't go across sex lines.

[922] It just doesn't.

[923] Some of the best comics that we know are women.

[924] It doesn't, I saw a Whitney set.

[925] Whitney has a new set that she's about the film.

[926] Dude, it's fucking brilliant.

[927] It's fucking great.

[928] You saw her when she came through town?

[929] Saw it the Paramount.

[930] It was really fun.

[931] When was that?

[932] Month ago?

[933] Okay.

[934] Somewhere around that?

[935] Yeah, she's about to shoot.

[936] I wonder she's...

[937] She's hot right now.

[938] Dude, she's, her material is smooth.

[939] She's in a groove right now.

[940] It's like she's so comfortable on stage.

[941] It's really fun, but she's a perfect example.

[942] Like, she doesn't play up her looks at all.

[943] You know, like Whitney downplays it if anything.

[944] She's always got, like, pink hair.

[945] She's all fucked up.

[946] She's wearing a jean jacket like Elvis.

[947] She's also kind of an inspiring person where you look at someone who just doesn't do stand -up, like is a grinder, has always been.

[948] like sells the show is always moving always doing things she grinds so hard dude she's she's one of the people i'll have a conversation with her she goes i'm about to make a documentary on violence i go what the fuck are you doing yeah where do you have the time for this and so she was uh telling me i didn't even know about this there's some crazy fucking sport they do in england i think they do it once a year or something like that where was it england or italy oh is it like rugby but it's almost like yes they fight but they fight but they have a ball yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah what's more of that Yeah, yeah, have the lighter too.

[949] What is that?

[950] Do you remember what we're talking about, Jamie?

[951] My buddy wanted...

[952] There was a thing.

[953] I wish I could get a hold of her right now.

[954] He wanted to do, like, a bachelor party and go to Italy to watch this.

[955] But I wasn't able to...

[956] Yes, yes.

[957] So it's Florentine football they're calling.

[958] Oh, my God.

[959] Like, dude, it's full -on fights with a ball.

[960] It's like the craziest version of a soccer or a football.

[961] type game.

[962] You're allowed to hold on to it.

[963] So is it rugby?

[964] And then they have MMA matches in the middle of it.

[965] They're teeing off on each other.

[966] Look, they're fucking choking each other.

[967] Oh my God, he's grabbing the guy's nose.

[968] It's like gouging his eyeballs out.

[969] He's gouging his nose.

[970] Did you see that shit?

[971] I mean, it's basically simulated war with a ball.

[972] But no weapons.

[973] This is crazy.

[974] There's just a bunch of dudes squaring off.

[975] In the middle of this fucking sand dirt and one guy gets tackled from behind by another guy.

[976] My question is, where's the ball?

[977] This is what's so crazy It's like it's team fighting And you just look for a guy who's wearing red pants And they look for a guy who's wearing white pants And they fuck each other up Would you play that?

[978] You have to be a reckless person to play that You're getting hit from behind By someone on the other team That is crazy Like these are the most psycho fucking human beings alive Look they're beating the shit out of each other With no pads in the dirt So you're gonna get sand in your eyes Do you think that's like Christmas time for doctors?

[979] I didn't see a fucking referee anywhere in sight, so no one's stopping anything, right?

[980] I guess that's a referee.

[981] Is that a referee?

[982] But you're not seeing anybody like break these fights up.

[983] So what do they do?

[984] Like, how do they dictate whether or not a fight is over?

[985] Do you let a guy just keep beating the fuck out of a guy or does someone come along and stop it?

[986] Because it seems to me like there's people just sitting on people punching them in the face and there's nobody watching it.

[987] It almost seems like the ball is secondary.

[988] Like if you go to a UFC fight, Herb Dean is like hovering over the action.

[989] when dudes are getting wailed on he's ready to like jump in Mark Goddard has his fucking eyes on the action ready to pull the trigger at any moment you know they're not there's no apparent goal either they're just throwing the ball against the fence when they get to the other side like chess like king me this is crazy this is crazy this is just an excuse to beat the fuck out of each other but these people I mean they're getting really hurt if you're having like gang MMA fights like that you're going to get really hurt Because people can hit you while you're getting hit from one side and the other side at the same time.

[990] The odds of you getting really hurt are pretty fucking high.

[991] So how do you play Calcio Florentino?

[992] The teams change sides with every Kassi, is I say Kachia or goal scored.

[993] It is important to shoot with precision because every time a player throws or kicks a ball above the net, the opposing team is awarded with a half Kachia.

[994] the game ends after 50 minutes and the team which scored the most cacha wins so it's interesting so it comes from florentine it seems like that's the only place it is you know it's also a place famous for eating meat oh yeah yeah you're a fan of that steak florentine there's a style of cooking in uh it's really it's like caveman style like their style of cooking uh meat is just meat over fire.

[995] It's like they have meat over fire down to an art. Yeah, Bistachia de Florentine.

[996] Just Google that and you get all these Italian videos of guys showing you how to cook a steak.

[997] Have you done it?

[998] Over hardwood.

[999] Fuck you have done it.

[1000] Yeah?

[1001] Yeah, that's how I cook them.

[1002] You don't do the grill or?

[1003] I do the grill sometimes.

[1004] Sometimes I cook it in a traeger.

[1005] I got a pellet grill and what I do is it's called the reverse sear.

[1006] So I'll put it in that and I'll get it up to like 115 degrees internal temperature.

[1007] and then I pull it, and then I have a cast iron skill it.

[1008] And I take the cast iron skill, I get it really hot.

[1009] And then I sear it on the outside.

[1010] I usually do, like, a minute and a half, maybe each side.

[1011] So you'll finish it on the cast iron?

[1012] Yes, and then I let it rest.

[1013] But the point is, like, that's when I'm pressed for time.

[1014] But if I'm not pressed for time, I cook over wood.

[1015] So I get dried oak, and I start, like, a little tiny fire, and I get the oak set up, and I get it crack, and I get it turning into coals, and then I put a couple.

[1016] of fresh pieces on it to keep it, keep it smoky and fresh, and then I slide that steak over the top.

[1017] I got one of them Argentine grills, crankity, cranky -cranky -cranky -cranky -crank.

[1018] So what does the crank do?

[1019] The crank makes it higher or lower.

[1020] Oh, okay.

[1021] So I can have the steak way above the fire, and I have a little probe in it.

[1022] And so I have a probe that tells me the outside temperature, and it tells me the temperature of the meat.

[1023] And I can see it on my phone.

[1024] This thing called meter.

[1025] Oh, that's cool.

[1026] Look at that.

[1027] So I'm watching it cook slowly over these hardwood logs.

[1028] And then at the end, I sear it.

[1029] when you cook like that and you eat it it has this insane flavor of smoke like you get this like real fresh smoky flavor in the meat it's fantastic and there's like there's a thing i think in your brain there's some weird like trigger that goes off when you have meat that's cooking over fire i think it's like programmed into us from all the years when people would have successful hunts and they would cook meat over fire, they would feel good.

[1030] Like, everyone's going to eat.

[1031] We're going to survive another day because we were successful because it's hard to be successful.

[1032] That's like the feeling you get when you catch a fish, right?

[1033] Even if you're not going to, if you're going to release the fish, there's a feeling, I got one, I got one, I got one.

[1034] There's something about that that I think is primarily connected to the idea that back in the day when it was hard to get food, if you caught that fish, you were fucking very excited because you're going to live.

[1035] You're going to live.

[1036] So, like, when you watch like bass anglers, sportsmen society a bunch of guys in these tournaments and they're like look at it and they're holding up by the lips and everybody's cheering they're basically playing a game you know where they're they're not even they're releasing the fish yeah they're just fucking with them and you know holding them up and showing everybody I caught these motherfuckers I could eat these look at these dummies trick both of them if I wanted if I wanted to they're eating but I'm gonna let them go because it's fun it's sporting like what a weird place to be to be a bass yeah you know like you just you're hunted down but you're not like thank God I get splashed oh thank God oh thank God Right.

[1037] If you're any other, if you're a trout is the same thing.

[1038] Like a lot of trouts, they get released.

[1039] They use barbellous hooks.

[1040] So they know they're going to release them before they ever catch them.

[1041] They don't eat them.

[1042] Like a lot of these fly fishermen guys, they just release them.

[1043] So how do you season the steaks?

[1044] What's your perfect steak?

[1045] What do you do you do?

[1046] Salt.

[1047] What's your steak?

[1048] What do you do?

[1049] I used to do.

[1050] Yeah, kosher salt's probably the best because it's nice and coarse.

[1051] You know, but I also got this stuff recently.

[1052] I think it's called OG.

[1053] O .G. Steak seasoning from one of those Texas.

[1054] I think it's all Pittmaster or something like that.

[1055] I think that's the name of the company.

[1056] And it's a great blend of like garlic salt, a little bit of pepper, a little bit of regular salt or garlic powder.

[1057] Yeah.

[1058] No, that's not it.

[1059] It's just called O .G. My problem, I was trying to do cast iron skillet, the steak, and then I would season it with salt and pepper and everything, you know, the coarse grain.

[1060] But then it would always come off on the panes.

[1061] the seat like yeah some of it's going to come off in the pan but too much well then you could add salt to the end if you want more salt but I mean but don't you want it to kind of like I thought that it would just sort of grill on it and like crust and be fine when I no you're gonna get some of it to come off in the pan but you can't be precious can't be precious just salt bay it after and I'll be yeah if you want a salt bay it but I do sprinkle a little um I think it's from I think it's from Bali somebody gave me some salt it's really interesting salt It's got like a, there's different salts have different flavors to them, which is weird.

[1062] Yeah.

[1063] You know, like there's a company out of San Francisco.

[1064] I think it might be even called the San Francisco Salt Company, but they have different salts.

[1065] They have salts with like different herbs in them and, you know, like truffles.

[1066] They have salt with truffles in it, which is delicious.

[1067] You know, you ever have salt with truffles?

[1068] I've never had a truffle salt.

[1069] I've had like truffle mac and everything.

[1070] It's just an interesting flavor.

[1071] I love truffles.

[1072] But you add them to stuff like steak, like with the salt.

[1073] It's nice.

[1074] But I don't like to do too much with meat, especially like a beef steak.

[1075] If I use elk, one of the things I love with elk, there's this thing called black in Saskatchewan rub that Traeger makes.

[1076] I think that's what it's called.

[1077] It's something black in Saskatchewan, but it's like I need to know what all the ingredients are because I just know it tastes great.

[1078] It's definitely got some salt in it, and it looks like it has some pepper in it too, but it's like a blackened crust.

[1079] And for elk, I found nothing better.

[1080] It's the best.

[1081] So I just season it on the outside with that, and then I cook it to a little, I like to cook that to like 100 degrees.

[1082] I don't bring that to like 110.

[1083] I get it to like 100 degrees.

[1084] So then when I sear it, it doesn't overcook.

[1085] Like you can't overcook wild game because it doesn't have any fat in it.

[1086] It's very lean.

[1087] So you have to make sure you nail the temperature.

[1088] It's really important.

[1089] Some people do too much with meat and steak, like they'll come up with the sauce and everything.

[1090] I just want to taste the meat.

[1091] I don't want to taste the peppercorn.

[1092] Like, it ruins it to me. Well, it's definitely a different thing.

[1093] It doesn't ruin it because it's still delicious in my mind, but it's a different thing.

[1094] It's like you can have just a piece of meat with salt on it, which is one thing, or you can have like chimmy churry sauce, which is another thing.

[1095] You know, it's awesome.

[1096] Yeah.

[1097] Chimmy chri sauce on a piece of meat is fucking delicious.

[1098] I feel like the chimituri is doing a lot of the heavy lifting there in the first.

[1099] flavor profile?

[1100] I don't know, man. I think it's a fucking group effort.

[1101] I really do.

[1102] But it's a different thing.

[1103] Like A1 steak sauce is fucking good.

[1104] It hasn't been around that long because it sucks.

[1105] A1 steak sauce is fucking good.

[1106] A1 steak sauce, you can take a waffle house steak and just squirt some of that on it and it's pretty damn edible.

[1107] It'll make anything delicious.

[1108] I'm sure it's filled with sugar.

[1109] We're not arguing about nutrition.

[1110] You ever have HP?

[1111] What's HP steak sauce?

[1112] Yeah, yeah.

[1113] I think so.

[1114] It's sort of like A1 adjacent.

[1115] I would.

[1116] have that in Canada.

[1117] For some reason, they love HP out there.

[1118] I probably have had it.

[1119] I probably have.

[1120] But I mean, that's a different thing, right?

[1121] If you're eating it with a steak sauce.

[1122] What's your favorite steak place in Austin?

[1123] Austin's a good spot.

[1124] Um, we eat at Eddie V's a lot.

[1125] We were there the other day.

[1126] Yeah, Eddie V's is the shit because it's like real old school.

[1127] I hit up Tony.

[1128] You go in there.

[1129] It's like a classic steakhouse.

[1130] I love that.

[1131] I was wearing a t -shirt.

[1132] I'm like, oh, fuck.

[1133] I'm the schlub at this place.

[1134] I didn't know how fancy it was Well it's not necessarily fancy Like you can most certainly go there I know but I don't I don't want to be the only guy in a t -shirt At the fucking steak place But doesn't matter Luckily I saw another guy with a t -shirt I was like all right cool Austin's pretty laid back with that Pretty fucking laid back with that They're not gonna make me wear a loner blazer I would not go One time I did that It was I was graduating high school And my rich friend He's like hey we're having dinner At the Columbia Tower in Seattle I'm like okay cool So I thought I dressed nice I thought, it's nice for what I, you know, I think.

[1135] I go up to the top floor, the Columbia Tower, and they're like, sir, you're going to have to wear this loner blazer.

[1136] And I just, I'm like swimming in this, I look like an NBA, like a 98 draft class.

[1137] I would go just for the loner blazer.

[1138] So I'm having to eat this.

[1139] It's so embarrassing.

[1140] It's like the blazer of shame.

[1141] I'm eating with all these, like, this rich family.

[1142] And I'm just the guy with a hand -me -down blazer that I'm swimming in eating this food that I never get on my own.

[1143] What a weird rule.

[1144] Like, who was this off -putting to?

[1145] Like, you're just shaming me. You're just making everyone look over their shoulder.

[1146] This little boy doesn't know any better.

[1147] Like, give me a pass.

[1148] If I was a 35 -year -old man, give me the loner blazer, and I deserve to be shamed.

[1149] But I'm 18 at the time.

[1150] Like, I don't need this.

[1151] Why didn't your friends tell you?

[1152] What a setup.

[1153] I guess.

[1154] How do they not know?

[1155] When you're 18, you're not like, hey, wear a blazer.

[1156] This place is fancy.

[1157] But how do your friends not know that you have to wear a blade did they not know either or did they just magically have blazers on i guess they magically maybe they're so fancy they always they're fucking with you let's make fame feel bad like do you have one my size no we we don't we just have the shame blazer we have one size fits all yeah i mean if you're gonna have big people and little people just get a giant one fuck those little people with no blazers yeah well i made everyone they're happy I guess by having the blazer on so hilariously stupid what's interesting is like you could at that same restaurant and there's no rules for women in that way.

[1158] Like a woman could have a sleeveless shirt on.

[1159] That's a good point.

[1160] And a woman could have a skirt on where you could see her legs.

[1161] And as long as she looks good, it's totally cool.

[1162] Like the standards for a woman's dress.

[1163] Is there a loner female equivalent of the blazer?

[1164] No, no equivalent.

[1165] No equivalent.

[1166] I'm sure there are places that don't want women to expose their shoulders.

[1167] Like they don't want sleeveless shirts.

[1168] I'm sure there must be like some elegant gatherings where they're trying to discourage hos from shining up.

[1169] Well, some places will do the hat thing.

[1170] Like, I've been to a steak place, and they're like...

[1171] You can't have a hat on.

[1172] Yeah.

[1173] Yeah, I've had that before.

[1174] Yeah.

[1175] Do you think they do that to Jay -Z, though?

[1176] I don't know, man. They do it to me?

[1177] Really?

[1178] They do it to you?

[1179] Yeah, but I want to.

[1180] It's like the rules of the place.

[1181] That's your rules.

[1182] You're establishing it.

[1183] It's like not...

[1184] Like, I'm like, man, why can it keep my head on?

[1185] I'm like, sure, no problem.

[1186] Yeah, you are pretty...

[1187] You're good that way.

[1188] Well, you should, you know, you're respect.

[1189] the business they're trying to create an atmosphere of civility yeah you know and they they feel like if they discourage some kind of attire you know maybe they'll discourage a casualness that would lead to like more incivility I mean that's just the thought process but well you want to have a nice place you want it to look good you want people to dress nice I get it I think part of it is the mental escapism where everyone is dressed nice it's almost a throwback to madman like you know what I mean Like it's a nice diner and when there's a guy with like a tapout hat and like a white beater, maybe it ruins the anniversary dinner.

[1190] But what if it's a girl looks like a porn star?

[1191] Then that's fine.

[1192] Everyone's on board for that.

[1193] Everyone's on board.

[1194] Everyone's on board for her with a short skirt.

[1195] They go, here's a blazer.

[1196] Big old tata's just presenting for the world.

[1197] Everyone is okay with that.

[1198] Yeah.

[1199] I mean, that's real.

[1200] That's, we have gender rules when it comes to attire.

[1201] I wonder if a man can claim that he's a male.

[1202] He identifies as a male, but he identifies as a male who dresses like a female.

[1203] Is that next?

[1204] Could you, like, what if it's hot out and you don't want to wear a blazer?

[1205] But you do have to go to this place for lunch?

[1206] I think that is just a political mindfield that they don't want to deal with.

[1207] Like, they would rather just like...

[1208] If you showed up.

[1209] Like me and a teet.

[1210] In a sundress.

[1211] That would be fine, I think.

[1212] With flip -flops on and just explain that you're a woman.

[1213] I wouldn't have to explain anything.

[1214] Like, no one would touch it just because they don't, yeah, it's just not worth that.

[1215] Especially if you were like super obviously in a dress.

[1216] It wasn't anything ambiguous about the gender of the clothing you're wearing.

[1217] It's not like a toga.

[1218] Yeah, if I was wearing a sundress and I tried to have dinner, they wouldn't make me wear a blazer.

[1219] Okay.

[1220] What about kiltz?

[1221] That's a curveball, dude.

[1222] That's the curveball.

[1223] I think we need to try this and see what happens.

[1224] Kiltz are the curbball.

[1225] Like, what if you had, like, a beautiful tie on, a nice dress shirt?

[1226] They would allow you?

[1227] And a kilt.

[1228] But your balls are just hanging out?

[1229] Well, you don't know that.

[1230] But what if they are?

[1231] Don't go looking.

[1232] Don't be rude.

[1233] Respect my choice with whatever I want to wear for clothes.

[1234] You get offended, you go, why are you looking?

[1235] I'm just trying to have a fine steak here.

[1236] Don't the steak, the, the, the, steak folks, don't, don't the kilt folks have odd shoes as well?

[1237] Odd shoes?

[1238] Yeah.

[1239] Don't they wear, like, a specific kind of shoes when they wear a kilt?

[1240] I think they have, like, their socks.

[1241] Yeah, yeah.

[1242] They have, like, those let's get physical.

[1243] Olivia Newton -John socks.

[1244] Very specific song.

[1245] Some kind of hiking boot.

[1246] Yeah.

[1247] Look at those.

[1248] I mean, that's a ridiculous outfit.

[1249] I mean, that is fancy.

[1250] Look at that.

[1251] I wonder why they did that.

[1252] I mean, I guess it's easier to run around in.

[1253] And if you're going to fight with a sword or something like that.

[1254] Like those people that, the Scottish people, they're a wild fucking people.

[1255] Yeah.

[1256] They probably developed a kilt because it'll let you move your legs easier than pants.

[1257] Like, if you think about, like, running and stuff, like, you don't, if you could move around, like, in a kilt, you have no restrictions.

[1258] If you have shorts, they have to be made right.

[1259] Like, if you wear shorts that bind and you can move funny and they're annoying, or pants.

[1260] Like, if you wear pants, you can't even pick your knee up above your waist.

[1261] Everything's all bound up and shit.

[1262] They probably wore that for battle.

[1263] Yeah, a lot of mobility within the kilt.

[1264] Plus, they could heist it up and show you their cock.

[1265] Aye.

[1266] Yeah, it's a power.

[1267] Like me cock, matey.

[1268] All of a sudden he became a pirate.

[1269] But you know what I mean?

[1270] Like those are wild warring people.

[1271] No wonder why they had kilts on.

[1272] Would you wear one?

[1273] Fuck you.

[1274] Yeah, I'm down for a kilt.

[1275] There was a dude named Melvin Manhoof.

[1276] He was like one of the most terrifying strikers that ever fought in pride.

[1277] And Melvin Manhoof would fight in like his shorts.

[1278] He was like a wicked kickboxer out of Holland.

[1279] wicked and built like a fucking brick shithouse.

[1280] But his thing was like he didn't have shorts on.

[1281] He almost had like a skirt on.

[1282] Like his everything had like all these openings in it.

[1283] I don't know what you would call it.

[1284] There's a word for it the way they did it, but almost like where gladiators would wear like almost like a skirt.

[1285] That's what he would fight in.

[1286] Like Russell Crow and Gladiator, kind of that thing.

[1287] That's Melvin Manhoof.

[1288] So you see those things?

[1289] It's like he kind of has underwear on or he kind of has shorts on but not really like everything's just if you find a video of him fighting it's like it's all swinging loose and because of that like he had uh his shorts never bound up like sometimes you see tie guys fight they actually touch oh that's him wearing shorts that's an mama fight because he had to wear it for an mhm a google k1 melvin manhofe there so there he's got that's when he's wearing it see it if you can see him when he's he's fighting.

[1290] Does anybody else wear that or just him?

[1291] This dude is 185 pounds by the way and he knocked out Mark Hunt with one punch which is fucking crazy.

[1292] Watch this.

[1293] Boom!

[1294] I mean Mark Hunt is what...

[1295] But you see those shorts?

[1296] Wild shorts.

[1297] Mark Hunt was one of the most durable heavy weights of all time and Melvin Manhofe is like easily 60 pounds lighter than him and he knocked him out with one punch.

[1298] He was a monster but that's what he wore these like, it was like a skirt.

[1299] So they have that kind of weight disparity in uh...

[1300] Pride did some wild shit, man. They did some wild shit.

[1301] They had freaks fights, like freak fights where they had Nogera, who was the pride heavyweight champion, who was an immensely talented jiu -jitsu black belt.

[1302] He fought this guy, Bob Sapp, who was 375 pounds with abs.

[1303] I'm not kidding.

[1304] Like if you've never seen Bob Sapp before, when you see him fight, you don't believe it's a real person.

[1305] You think it's a video game character, or this is CGI.

[1306] I'm not kidding.

[1307] You need to see this.

[1308] Bob Sap versus Nogera.

[1309] He's so big.

[1310] So big.

[1311] And he pile drives Nogera within the first opening seconds of the fight.

[1312] Like the literal pile driver.

[1313] 375 pound man driving another 240 pound man's head first into the ground.

[1314] Look at the size of Bob Sap.

[1315] Yeah, dude, look at the fucking sizes of him.

[1316] So this is the beginning of the fight.

[1317] Watch this.

[1318] Pile driver.

[1319] Boom.

[1320] This is how the fight starts.

[1321] So Nogera literally gets his son.

[1322] spine -crushed in the very first seconds of the fight fighting a guy who's a legitimate 130 pounds heavier than him.

[1323] Look at the size of the guy.

[1324] And they had a lot of fights like this.

[1325] Like Bob Sap wasn't the most talented MMA fighter, but he was certainly one of the biggest.

[1326] Yeah, that's his brute strength right there.

[1327] Well, he had some talent.

[1328] He did some skill.

[1329] He worked out, you couldn't survive if you just had brute strength.

[1330] He definitely trained in martial arts, and he trained with my friend Maurice Smith, who was the UFC heavyweight champion, and he won multiple championships and multiple different organizations.

[1331] Maurice was a legit striker, very, very talented, very talented fighter, and he trained him.

[1332] So he was training Bob Sapp, and Bob Sapp was kickboxing, too.

[1333] But he was just a freak.

[1334] Like, you were like, what am I saying?

[1335] He was so big, dude.

[1336] he would start walking towards guys with his fists up and you're like, how is that a real person?

[1337] Yeah.

[1338] So is that how pride was just sort of?

[1339] Freak shows.

[1340] Yeah.

[1341] They had Hongman Choi fought Fadora Emilienenko.

[1342] Fedor Emilianenko is arguably the best heavyweight of all time.

[1343] There's a real good argument that he's the best heavyweight.

[1344] In my book, it's like there's a few guys in the running for the best heavyweight of all time.

[1345] One of them is Fabricio Verdoom.

[1346] He gets overlooked because he tapped almost everybody.

[1347] He tapped Nogera.

[1348] He tapped Kaine Velazzo.

[1349] And he tapped Fador.

[1350] He was the first guy to beat Fador.

[1351] And Fader went on this long run.

[1352] He caught him in a triangle and tapped him.

[1353] So in my mind, he's got to be in the argument for one of the greatest heavyweights of all time too.

[1354] So you got Fadour, him and Kane Velazquez.

[1355] Those are the three guys that most people, when they look at the greatest heavyweys of all time.

[1356] And then maybe Francis Ingano, if he continues his title run one day, he'll be thought of that way as well.

[1357] But it's like, and then of course, Dipe Miochik, who's like the most accomplished heavyweight of all time.

[1358] So those, I guess, yeah, you have to, to say those four those are the guys that everybody when there's if there's an argument who's the greatest heavyweight of all time it's hard to say and you might have to go the thing is it's like all of them are really good but Fabricio Verduem tapped all of them there's something about that yeah there's something about he tapped all of them except Stepe Stepe knocked him out sounds like maybe Stepe's the goat but either way it's like there's a number of guys and Nogara's in that group Nogera in his prime is in that group.

[1359] And they were all over at Pride.

[1360] And they had crazy, crazy fights.

[1361] So Pride, it's not around anymore?

[1362] No. The UFC bought Pride, and when the UFC purchased Pride, they basically, they just closed shop.

[1363] They were going to keep it running for a while, but I think it was so chaotic.

[1364] And I think they decided to just absorb it into the company.

[1365] And they took a lot of the fighters.

[1366] The only guy they didn't take was Fador.

[1367] Well, there was a few other guys, but Mark Hunt came over from Pride.

[1368] I think Mark Hunt, like, he wanted to fight in the UFC.

[1369] They wanted to buy him out, and he said, no, I want to fight it out in the UFC.

[1370] And then there was a few other guys that came over as well.

[1371] But it was, Crocop, of course.

[1372] But it was, you know, the end of an era, unfortunately.

[1373] For people who are fans of the sport, there was something about the pride era that was a really unique time in MMA.

[1374] Like, we'd have to watch it at 4 o 'clock in the morning because it was airing in Japan.

[1375] Oh, yeah.

[1376] Yeah.

[1377] That was the Japanese company.

[1378] Yeah, it was a Japanese company So it was live on pay -per -view We'd have to watch it You know, at 4 in the morning And then they started They would have fights And then they wouldn't They wouldn't show it on TV Until like a week later Or even more sometimes And so you'd have to stay away From the internet Because everybody already had the results And they posted all the spoilers It was interesting It was like They were figuring it out But the Japanese did some gangster shit They had freak show fights They had a lot of freak show fights Yeah, it's kind of like early days of Yeah I remember like yeah When I was a kid and MMA was coming up, it was just insanity.

[1379] It was like street fighter.

[1380] Yeah, they have big giant guys, fight small guys all the time.

[1381] Yeah, it was like battlebots with humans.

[1382] Well, they just liked the aspect of like the freak show.

[1383] Like there's this woman Gabby Garcia, she's an enormous Brazilian jitsu black belt.

[1384] She's really big.

[1385] She's like more than 200 pounds, like maybe 230, maybe even 240.

[1386] She's really big.

[1387] And they'll have her fight like a maid.

[1388] it was kind of like in its infancy it was like will karate beat sumo and that's what it was all about like will the art form of karate triumph they still kind of have that but they had like acci bono versus hoist gracie and hoist gracie is like 180 maybe 190 acubono might be 400 pounds and i'm not kidding see if you can find that this is like the fact that this fight was was a legal fight to take place like like nevada state athletic commission would not sanction a fight between someone who's a legit 210 220 pounds heavier oh this is bob sap versus uh acci bono see if you can find acci because that's two giants see acubono versus hoist gracie um spoiler hoist gracie wins that's what a bad motherfucker his he's he yeah there it is the top one yeah that's it so hoist caught him in an arm bar is this the beginning of it is where it shows it for the beginning and he taps he taps it in an arm bar but if you you know the thing about being a guy that big is like how much gas in the tank do you have yeah not a lot that guy's so overweight as much as he has skill and much as he's a sumo guy and you know he's probably been competing his whole life like he's he's too big you can't you're not not going to be able to compete against a guy like Hoyce Gracie.

[1389] Hoist Gracie can survive.

[1390] See, and he's also really comfortable fighting off of his back, so he let the dude rush him.

[1391] It's funny.

[1392] I always know how old I am when I watch old Sonics, because I'm from Seattle.

[1393] I'll watch Sean Kemp slam dunk compilations, and they're all in like 360P.

[1394] You know, oh, okay.

[1395] Yeah, this is pretty blurry.

[1396] Yeah, that resolution really dates you.

[1397] And I'm like, oh, all my highlights are low death.

[1398] But look at Hoyst did.

[1399] Like right away, pulls clinch from the guard, and then he's standing up with the guy.

[1400] Now he's got the guy grappling.

[1401] And even as he throws a kick, he falls onto his back.

[1402] Like he's allowing the guy to lay on top of him, and he's obviously strategized for what he would do when he's off of his back, and he's going to isolate an arm.

[1403] So he's isolated Aki Bono's left arm, and he's pulling his foot across the face, and Acubono knows what he's doing, but he can't stop him.

[1404] And so he pulls it back down again, and now he gets his left leg over the top of his right foot, and he locks it in place, and he's got a fucking arm bar.

[1405] And this dude's fucked.

[1406] and he's fighting a guy 200 pounds lighter than him but the guy knows better technique and he taps Did you see that elbow bad elbow fall guy got slammed and he landed on his elbow and his elbow went the wrong way I don't want to see it I still haven't seen the Tom sugar I can't watch it like that somebody showed me one today a kid blowing his hand off with a firecracker and he drinks a beer while he's holding his hand up and his hand is destroyed and he drinks a beer Don't show it Yeah Don't do it Don't do it to me Don't you do it Jamie I saw it You know I didn't know what it was Until I saw it And then I was like Oh god damn I didn't want I don't see that Bobby will do that He has a stomach For that And he's like Look I'm like I can't I can't look at this Yeah The dude literally blew his hand off Which happens You know You have fucking It was good seeing you at the store When you came back It was fun Yeah Is that gonna be a recurring thing Or Probably Yeah Yeah Yeah, when I feel like it.

[1407] Yeah, it's fun.

[1408] It was fun.

[1409] Because I got past when you weren't there.

[1410] I think you were doing the ice house and stuff.

[1411] Yeah.

[1412] And there was definitely, it was this golden era before COVID.

[1413] It's crazy.

[1414] You didn't really realize there's this quote.

[1415] Like when you were with your neighborhood kid and stuff playing baseball, you never noticed the last day that you're all playing.

[1416] Right.

[1417] Before everyone moves away or whatever.

[1418] And that kind of, it felt that way with the.

[1419] store yeah we had a cool thing going on for a while yeah it was fun it's different it's still fun but it's a different thing but there was just monster insanity lineups when you were there that helped too um you know the the the covid thing opened up a lot of people's eyes about what what they can just take away from you and um taking away people's ability to make a choice as to whether or not you want to go out or not five months into the pandemics eight months in the pandemic a year into the pandemic where the rest of the country there's all these spots that had opened up they made choices in l .A. that i don't think they should have made and i think in retrospect most people would agree it's hard to be a monday morning quarterback right it's hard to look at it and go i would have done it differently but everybody's going to do that anyway but when there was no data that showed that outdoor shows were a problem and they still weren't allowing the comedy store to do outdoor shows yeah that's weird all that was horrible because i was doing outdoor shows and for some reason the comedy store they wouldn't allow them to do it like i would do it at these other bars they would do it in the parking lot and stuff but the store wasn't allowed to there was there was a arbitrary nature to some of it where it was different some places than other places and it wasn't it was like there's a real problem when people have the ability to tell you what to do they like it They like doing it.

[1420] And it has to be factored in to anything that happens.

[1421] And when a bunch of people are saying, why can't I make my own choices?

[1422] Or what if I've already had the disease and I have the antibodies?

[1423] Or what if, you know, I'm a very healthy young person.

[1424] And they're like, well, you could spread it to other people.

[1425] Well, shouldn't those people isolate?

[1426] Like, where's the logic in isolating everybody?

[1427] And does that even work?

[1428] Is there any real data about what happens when communicable diseases like respiratory viruses, which are highly contagious.

[1429] Is there ever a history of containing them, ever?

[1430] No. The answer's no. No, all the virologists will tell you, everyone's going to get it.

[1431] Or you're going to be exposed to it, and you're, you know, you might be one of the rare few that has a very good natural immunity to it.

[1432] Very, very few people, apparently, just they don't catch COVID for whatever reason.

[1433] That's kind of like with everything, right?

[1434] With every disease, there's a very small percentage.

[1435] You can't count on being one of those people.

[1436] I've had it twice Same here, yeah, I've had it twice too So is it just a part of our lives now Like everyone's gonna get it every year I think they say it's endemic If we're lucky it goes the way it's going With like Omicron which is Actually why am I giving advice I'm not a virologist I'm like laying it out like I know But what I've heard from people That do understand this stuff Is that generally speaking And this is only generally speaking It doesn't have to go this way viruses become more contagious but less virulent because for the virus to survive really it wants to get as many hosts as possible so it kills the host that kind of defeats the purpose and it stops its ability to spread which is really wild because if you really think what's going on like imagine if that was demons and there was you know there was weak demons and really really powerful demons and the really powerful demons and the really powerful demons and the really powerful They would come and they would snatch young people and they would take them and they would take them and they would take their souls and take them to hell It would be so terrifying, but if the same exact amount of people get killed by a flu You don't really weird out like it's terrible, but it's normal now if it's a novel virus like coronavirus and people get super anxious and afraid Yeah, you know, or if it's heart disease Which kills fucking everybody.

[1437] There's so many people that are dying of that that that doesn't even get discussed imagine if obesity imagine if sugar was a demon all those things were demons and they just you know some people are just better at not listening to the demons but they're always talking to you twinkies are good fame don't you want a twinkie no we healthy have a twinkie or you pass by crispy cream and the hot sign is on oh fuck the hot sign is on I got it they're hot sites on the hot signs on they're hot right now you get a hot crispy cream one of them glaze babies I like seeing it float you know like floating the oil that's nice nice I like the chocolate cream filled I don't like shit I don't like filling you don't have to like it all right but that's your jam that's my jam the cream film on the inside and the chocolate on the outside oh my favorite guilty pleasure but I remember one time we went to Maui and we stopped at crispy cream and got like a not even one time I think we did it twice stopped and got like a dozen donuts and we're pig it out in the car.

[1438] And then by the time we got to the hotel, which is only like 20 minutes away, we couldn't think.

[1439] We were so tired.

[1440] Sugar rush.

[1441] We just get crushed.

[1442] Look at that.

[1443] Oh, that's Jamie Vernon's Instagram page.

[1444] I read this post like five years ago.

[1445] Did you really?

[1446] When I did the same thing.

[1447] Was this a, you were watching them apply the glaze?

[1448] Is this what's happening?

[1449] I had a good meal, and I walked by a Krispy Cream.

[1450] Red light was on.

[1451] When I was living out here, I was right by a Krispy Cream.

[1452] It was too close.

[1453] It's one of the best tasting things ever, right?

[1454] we agree on that?

[1455] Yeah.

[1456] Like a hot crispy cream donut is undeniably good and worth a temporary coma.

[1457] Remember when they first came out?

[1458] There were like lines for two hours to have this crispy cream donut.

[1459] We are really legitimately surrounded by things that are terrible for you that are highly profitable.

[1460] Whether it's fast food or sugar or any gas station you walk into, it's filled with sugary drinks and sugary snacks and all that shit is terrible for you.

[1461] It's terrible.

[1462] When I was in middle school They just had all these Mountain Dew machines Co -machine It was terrible for you I had a mountain dew When I was in Florida Said fuck it I'm gonna have a Mountain Dew Remember Mountain Dew They'd be like I mean the urban legend With all the kids It'd be like Yo don't drink Mountain Dew It has yellow five in it It'll make your balls shrink And all of us just like Believe it I don't know who you were hanging out with I never got there That was a thing Whoever is around my generation There was this urban legend About yellow five That it would make your balls small Was it your whole generation are just your friends.

[1463] I mean, look, it's a very localized group that I'm in that I am sort of extrapolating and thinking that it's a nation and worldwide.

[1464] But I know that when I was growing up, there was this thing, like Mountain Dew, Yellow Five, but I don't, I mean, it's all bullshit.

[1465] That stuff is definitely not good for you.

[1466] That's the thing about, like, food colorings and, you know, natural flavorings and artificial flavorings.

[1467] It's like, what's safe for you and what's not safe for you.

[1468] Like, you got to do your research on that, and it's very complicated.

[1469] Yeah, see.

[1470] Oh, here it is.

[1471] Yellow 5.

[1472] I'm not crazy.

[1473] I didn't think you're crazy.

[1474] Urban myth states that this shrinks your testicles, not to be confused with Maroon 5.

[1475] What the fuck?

[1476] What the fuck?

[1477] Just because it has a 5 in it?

[1478] If you listen to Maroon 5, it'll make her balls small.

[1479] Oh, that's hilarious.

[1480] Samantha.

[1481] It's a color and a 5.

[1482] Yeah.

[1483] What's that?

[1484] Maroon's a color.

[1485] Oh, Maroon 5 is a color?

[1486] Oh, I'm just saying maroon and yellow, both colors.

[1487] What were your urban legend?

[1488] Right, but Maroon 5, they're talking about the band.

[1489] A hundred percent.

[1490] Right.

[1491] So what are you saying?

[1492] Never mind.

[1493] There was another one when I was growing up.

[1494] They would say Marilyn Manson removed his ribs so he could suck his own dick.

[1495] That's true.

[1496] Look at it says here, Samantha, why are you drinking that mountain dude?

[1497] Don't you know it has yellow five in it?

[1498] Andrew, do you honestly think they would sell a product that shrinks your testicles and not even put a warning label on it or even sell something like that at all?

[1499] Samantha, oh, I never thought of it that way.

[1500] What is that?

[1501] What am I reading?

[1502] No idea.

[1503] That's a terrible...

[1504] Is that like an example conversation about yellow five?

[1505] But for sure there's some stuff that they put in food that's not good for you, right?

[1506] There's certain preservatives and there's certain chemicals and different things that wind up in food.

[1507] Urban dictionary with science here.

[1508] Not only shrinks testicles, it has been scientifically proven to reduce penis size as well.

[1509] Holy shit.

[1510] I don't know if this is accurate.

[1511] Click on that.

[1512] It's going to be that guy with the big dick leaning over bed.

[1513] It's just a link to scientifically proven on urban dictionary.

[1514] No, if you click on that, it's the black guy with the giant hog leaning over the bed.

[1515] How many times have you gotten that?

[1516] Yeah, that's like the new Rickroll, right?

[1517] It is.

[1518] Yeah, there's so many times.

[1519] Like, Ari has sent me a link or Tom or Bert has sent me a link.

[1520] It's so believable every time.

[1521] And then it's the guy with the dick and you go, you got me. It's like we send each other at links.

[1522] We have a little chat, little chat and the Sobra October crew chat.

[1523] And 50 % of those links lead to that guy with a big dick leaning over the bed.

[1524] I heard he passed away, the actual.

[1525] Yeah.

[1526] But he's still bringing joy to the world.

[1527] But it's like, you know, we were talking about, like, being a shooting star.

[1528] That's a shooting star.

[1529] You know, that's like that bad company song.

[1530] Don't you know that you are a shooting star, don't you know.

[1531] Do you remember that song?

[1532] Who seen that?

[1533] See, you're, like, from this dance music generation.

[1534] Yeah.

[1535] My generation of old people before the internet, they had songs that had stories in them.

[1536] The song was a story.

[1537] The song was a story about Johnny.

[1538] Johnny was a schoolboy when he heard his first Beatle song.

[1539] Listen to this, son.

[1540] You got to appreciate this kind of music.

[1541] It's me, 1982.

[1542] Yeah, paint the scene.

[1543] Newton Upper Falls, Massachusetts.

[1544] Don't quite have my driver's license, but man, I can't went till I do.

[1545] When I do, I'm going to drive around.

[1546] I'm going to look cool.

[1547] And I'm going to listen to this song.

[1548] Used to play every night I was in a rock and roll outfit And everything's all right Don't you know Yeah No internet, baby Johnny said was Mama Hey Mama I'm going away I'm going to hit the big time I'm gonna be a big star someday Mama came to the door With a tear drop in her eyes I will say, don't cry, mama, smile away at the back.

[1549] Don't you know.

[1550] I will say I do appreciate this music live, because I'll see the dance stuff.

[1551] Like a DJ, it's like a guy in a cubicle.

[1552] Yeah.

[1553] And everyone's going live.

[1554] But I can't appreciate it like a live singer and a band.

[1555] And this music is being created in the moment.

[1556] You've got to understand that this.

[1557] This song represents a different time of limited information distribution in the world.

[1558] It's a different world.

[1559] We didn't know what a rock star was.

[1560] Yeah.

[1561] They didn't have reality shows.

[1562] We found out about who they were from their songs.

[1563] When we hear a song about a young guy, which we all wish we could be, the young guy who becomes a music superstar.

[1564] Every fucking kid in my neighborhood thought this song was about.

[1565] everybody wanted to be Johnny you know many fucking people started bands because of the song don't you know there is a romance to that period of time where the entire world and consciousness was focused on one thing where everything now is kind of segmented and fractured where they're like i've seen about SNL like i have a buddy who's on SNL now and like but hold on don't stop it yeah keep it going because this is this is where it gets important.

[1566] This is where it gets important, because this is the tragedy and the romance this song is that he doesn't live long for him.

[1567] It doesn't last, buddy.

[1568] You know why?

[1569] Because the good die young and James Dean and Jimmy Hendrix and Janice Joplin and Kurt Cobain and Jim Morrison.

[1570] All of them died young.

[1571] They never saw 28, son.

[1572] Don't you know?

[1573] and in this song where it ties it up so that's cool is it because you're on Spotify you can play song yeah man whoa or not maybe they get mad at me listen I'm just trying to blow up bad company but this is where the song gets really good here's the somber ready Johnny died one night died in his bed little whiskey See, and tablets by his head.

[1574] I'm standing by like a warm summer day.

[1575] If you listen to the wind, you can still here and play.

[1576] See, it's like you live on forever.

[1577] Everybody misses you.

[1578] Instead of you being a fucking loser, where people get annoyed when you come around.

[1579] Instead, you get to be remembered.

[1580] You die young, you get to be remembered forever.

[1581] It's a fucking Joseph Campbell book.

[1582] Sure.

[1583] I'd rather live longer, though.

[1584] Yeah, man, but like, you're hanging around the auto shop and you're 17 years old.

[1585] This was the shit.

[1586] That's what I grew up with.

[1587] Yeah.

[1588] That's my kind of shit.

[1589] I'm trapped.

[1590] Like, musically, I'm trapped.

[1591] There is something beautiful about it, though.

[1592] I remember one time I saw Boys to Men in Vegas, and there's all these older women there.

[1593] And it's a time machine.

[1594] Music is a time machine.

[1595] because they are no longer 35 -year -old women or 40 -year -old women.

[1596] They are 13 again.

[1597] And it was beautiful just to see that.

[1598] Do you know how many horny women you would find that are over 50 at a Rick Springfield concert?

[1599] Probably so many.

[1600] Yeah.

[1601] Because all the trappings of being older, all that evaporates and you just think you are that age again.

[1602] Well, also it's like what you really appreciated when you were growing up.

[1603] Like music, unlike any other art form, has like an instantaneous connection.

[1604] with the time in which you first heard it.

[1605] Yeah.

[1606] Like, I remember, like, it's not even like a song that I really like that much, but the Bob Seeger song, Like a Rock.

[1607] I was in my car, and I was 18 years old when the song was out.

[1608] And I was like, oh, my God, it's about me. And I'm driving.

[1609] I remember the street.

[1610] It's not even like my favorite song, but there's songs I remember when I heard it.

[1611] Yes, there's something about it.

[1612] Sometimes I'll hear a song, and I'll know exactly where I was.

[1613] Yeah.

[1614] Like, what year?

[1615] Yeah.

[1616] It just cuts through everything.

[1617] everything have you seen those videos of like uh people with dementia or whatever and they play a certain song and it's like they're back Alzheimer's yes Alzheimer's yeah yeah yeah yeah it's amazing that yeah it is it is crazy it's like whatever it is it is it's dementia too it just because it's a certain part of the brain where yeah it's just like excites them again but but how weird is it that you can remember things so well with music attached to it super califangelistic expialadocious It must cut through a certain type of part of your brain because the same with smells, you know?

[1618] Smells cut through all the pre -frontal stuff.

[1619] Right, but I mean, but the information that you're containing inside a song, like the fact that you can do that, you know, like you remember shit from when you were little kids where they would teach you about grammar.

[1620] You know, conjunction, junction, what's your function?

[1621] Hooking up words and phrases and clauses.

[1622] Like, it's amazing that you would never be able to repeat, like someone's lines if they were reading that in a television show you'd never be able to repeat it like that but because it's attached to music it's like it's stuck in your head all you do is kind of get the rhythm of it and then you can remember where the words go it's wild yeah what a weird thing that like that aspect of the way our brains work like that we connect information to sounds like in songs and then we do that really well and it's a great way to teach kids fucking strange.

[1623] Do you know the quadratic formula?

[1624] No, what's that?

[1625] From algebra?

[1626] We all needed to know it for the rest of our lives.

[1627] That's why we had to memorize it.

[1628] I know Pythagorean is like A squared B squared equals C squared.

[1629] That's an easy one.

[1630] Pythagorean is a little more advanced.

[1631] Our math teacher taught us it in a song so we would never forget it and I still know it because of that stupid song.

[1632] How's the song?

[1633] The opposite of B plus or minus the square root a B squared minus 4A all over 2A.

[1634] I didn't add all the metal.

[1635] Nice, that's a good song.

[1636] That song should be.

[1637] I don't know why you need it.

[1638] Someone should put that to a dance beat.

[1639] It was like row, row, row your boat, honestly, but.

[1640] I have no idea why I still know it 25 years later.

[1641] Yeah, 20 years later.

[1642] There's a bunch of those things from like those ABC after school TV shows.

[1643] Yeah, just learning through song.

[1644] Yeah, you just remember like certain stuff.

[1645] Well, it's always tough whenever you do like a stand -up show and there's music too because music wins every time.

[1646] No matter how good the comedy is, it's tough.

[1647] Yeah.

[1648] Oh yeah, music and comedy Don't go together good Yeah, music is a heart game And comedy is a brain game You know, like music You don't even need to think It just hits your fucking soul The last thing you want to follow Is someone who's a murderer with music Like music comedy with awesome jokes And a guitar Like bro Yeah, it's tough Those are tough to follow Crowdwork too Like whenever I follow Ingram At the store It's like, what's my game plan here?

[1649] It's cool that he's touring with Chris Rock now because we all love Rick Ingram and we've known him for years and he kills it at the store and you'd be like oh why is this guy bigger and stuff and it's cool that that is a special place where like Rock sees him one night and he goes come on tour with me so he's doing all these awesome shows at Chris Rock now getting to do his thing but crowd work like great crowdwork is magical to an audience because it's it's here it's now it's present Whereas bits I like jokes The best is when you can do both Because like jokes you can bank Like jokes are a commodity Like okay I can I have an act I can tour with this These are bulletproof No matter where I go But there is this kind of ethereal quality To crowd work like oh fuck You just thought of that right now And it sets the room on fire So when you come on after that You kind of have to reprogram them Into like a little bit of crowdwork And then some jokes as well but it's hard for that like the first five minutes is kind of getting them to your speed yeah but that's always the case if someone has like a slow -paced acting and going after someone was loud yeah there's always a thing I mean that's one of the interesting things about places like the store is that you're forced to do that because there's 10 people on the line up and everyone's doing 15 minutes and everyone's style is so different but for an audience member it's a real treat because you get to see all kinds of different styles all sorts of different approaches like if you're a real comedy fan like how many people have like decided to come see comedy and then decided to try to do it because they've gone to like one of those sets and seen so many different kinds of comedy that you go god i must i love comedy like maybe i fit in there somewhere kind of yeah and just to sort of see how many different ways people can be funny yeah i don't know if you don't see a lot where did you first go up on stage what place the comedy underground in seattle oh i heard about that place did you ever play there i think i did once.

[1650] I think I did once.

[1651] Okay.

[1652] I think I did once.

[1653] But, yeah, I'm pretty sure I did once.

[1654] But it's not there anymore, right?

[1655] No, not anymore.

[1656] They moved locations.

[1657] They were in Pioneer Square, and then they moved like two or three blocks away.

[1658] The best fucking place in Seattle was that place that was connected to a pool hall.

[1659] Oh, parlor.

[1660] Well, you're biased.

[1661] You're like a big pool guy.

[1662] I know, but to me it was like a dream come true.

[1663] Yeah.

[1664] Like they had pool tables right next to the comedy club?

[1665] Like, oh my God.

[1666] That was like Ron White, if they had a comedy club at a golf course.

[1667] That's hilarious.

[1668] Same thing.

[1669] Yeah, it's not there anymore.

[1670] Wow Too fucking bad That place was this shit Yeah I cut my teeth there So comedy underground And then giggles By a university of Washington Did giggles That guy got mad at me once Because I think Terry?

[1671] I said that I heard that you can't swear At his club Because people were telling me that Not you though I think he would do that For like the guys coming up You weren't allowed to swear Which I don't mind You know actually my first Two or three years of stand -up I put it on myself To not swear or drink later on too because I didn't want to become a crutch I didn't want to have to drink before I go on stage I'll do it now sometimes if it's like a second show I'll have a drink before I go on stage but I don't use it I want to be able to be enough as me and it was nice having that foundation of I don't need to swear to form a joke and then I swear now and stuff I allow myself to use all the words and paint with all the colors but I think it was good just to not rely on like fuck like out the gate when you don't know the foundations of comedy yet right and there's nothing worse than bad jokes with a lot of swears yeah like bad jokes by themselves with no swears are not as offensive yeah swears are great as seasoning yeah exactly exactly it's like someone who serves you a salt sandwich totally you fucked up stupid there's too much salt in this thing but later on sprinkle a little fuck a little bit of that everybody's happy you know it's um it's just I love the fact that everybody does a different too everybody has a different approach different take on things different you know yeah I love sitting in the back chairs the store like in the OAR like I'll watch Theo go on yeah I'll love it he was there the other night and then Ian will go on after yeah talk about polar opposite guys yeah just as funny in different ways and it's inspiring sometimes you have to remind yourself like I don't have to kill in the way that this person kills like know your instrument like just be the best you yeah be your version of a funny yeah yeah yeah some people some people want to enforce their version of funny on you which is really weird what do you mean like they get upset at some styles of comedy like that to me is one of the most misguided approaches to like look into way other people do comedy don't you know anybody that has that weird thing like oh he's doing that again yeah yeah he's doing this kind of stuff but if the crowd laughs that's the bottom line you know as long as the person is being true to themselves and it's like we're all we're trying to do is be funny that's it the only thing that bothers me is when someone's derivative like openly derivative I don't mind influenced everyone's influenced.

[1672] Especially at the beginning.

[1673] Of course.

[1674] Yeah.

[1675] I remember literally being on stage recognizing that I was doing Richard Jenny's patterns.

[1676] Like his pattern of speech and being embarrassed.

[1677] Like, oh my God, I suck.

[1678] Like, how many years before you recognize that?

[1679] Oh, that was like a year in.

[1680] Uh -huh.

[1681] It was like really early on.

[1682] Because he was like one of the first guys that I ever saw that I was like super impressed with live.

[1683] Certain comics have, they spawned a bunch of, like other genres.

[1684] Patrice should call them babies.

[1685] He's like, you know, you talk about all of different people who have babies out there.

[1686] David Tell has a lot of babies.

[1687] Yeah, Dane would have a lot of babies.

[1688] Dane had a lot of babies.

[1689] Mitch, Mitch Hedberg would have a lot of babies.

[1690] Oh yeah, Mitch had a lot of babies.

[1691] Brody had a lot of babies.

[1692] Oh, really?

[1693] Yeah, yeah.

[1694] Well, it was like, actually, he had like stepkids.

[1695] Like, Brody had people that, they didn't really do his act on stage, but they did his act off stage a lot, you know, for fun.

[1696] Like, it flavored the way people would even playfully talk to each other.

[1697] They would talk to each other.

[1698] like Brody.

[1699] Like negative energy arms crossed.

[1700] Enjoy it.

[1701] Yeah.

[1702] We would do that.

[1703] So he definitely...

[1704] Atele, I think, of the current guys, he probably influenced the most guys out of New York.

[1705] Because if you watch Atel right now in particular, that's a guy that's probably the most underappreciated and underrated, even though I know the fans rate him very highly.

[1706] I'm talking about like the general public.

[1707] Every comedy fan that knows David Tell rates him very, very highly.

[1708] He mightn't be the best comic alive.

[1709] Yeah.

[1710] But criminally underappreciated as far as the general public goes.

[1711] And if you see him, he's so good and his jokes are so sharp and you get into that Dave Attell rhythm.

[1712] Yeah.

[1713] And that's all you want to hear.

[1714] And then guys start doing jokes like him.

[1715] You start doing that he's got this way of talking.

[1716] And it's so addictive.

[1717] It's so, I've seen so many guys like, and I don't, they're not bad guys.

[1718] But you see like a little bit of a tell in them because they're like insecure and they don't know how to be funny and they're trying to be funny and so they try to do it like a tell you know and they have that like very pronounced sort of accentuation of words and delivery i remember uh insomniac was like big when i was growing up like that was kind of his big hollywood thing but then i didn't see much after that i know wasn't he like an HBO young comedian special is that partly like him like he just loves stand up he'll go on last at the cellar he kind of just an enjoys he does a lot of late night sets and he can revive an audience and he's not like a big energy guy either it's like he's just doing it all he's the master of what he does brilliant jokes but yeah um i think the the first big success was definitely insomniac and then through him insomniac he developed a drinking problem and then through the drinking problem he quit and then became the best comic alive like it's really happened all through that like his um his quitting drinking everybody agrees like unanimously that his act sharpened up radically it got really really really good and I think it's just his mind is free it's amazing yeah like the amount of new jokes he's just a machine and he's super dedicated yeah that's the thing it's like he has a thing that he's really good at that he really loves that he's very dedicated to so he's like always after it and so because he's always after it he's always doing all these sets and he's always sharp and I mean that's really what it's at for all of us you know and there's there's kind of almost a monastic approach that he takes.

[1719] He wears the same clothes essentially every night.

[1720] I don't mean like the same clothes, but he doesn't vary in his style.

[1721] Just like the same hat, the same, you know, look, Dave just sold out the stand -up live and Phoenix and killed it down there.

[1722] I mean, it's not like he's not loved.

[1723] Like the people that know and there's plenty of them love him.

[1724] But as far as like great comics that don't get put into the category of great comics, like he's number one on my list.

[1725] Yeah, I love him too, he's great.

[1726] Yeah, he might be the one of the best of all time.

[1727] And right now he's in his prime.

[1728] And I think a lot of it is like he stopped drinking, unlike us, and turned his life around.

[1729] What is the last special, do you know?

[1730] I don't know.

[1731] Was it bumping mics on Netflix?

[1732] Well, that's interesting too, right?

[1733] Him doing that thing with Jeff, that's a really fun thing.

[1734] Because they're both so good off their feet.

[1735] Yeah.

[1736] You know, Skanks for the Memories was his first big CD.

[1737] That was a really good one.

[1738] They did at Denver, the Comedy Works.

[1739] It's really funny.

[1740] That's a great club.

[1741] It's a great club.

[1742] I love there and comedy on state in Madison.

[1743] Oh, yeah.

[1744] Those are great clubs.

[1745] I never worked that place.

[1746] By the time I got to Madison, I was already doing theaters.

[1747] But when I was, someone was there with me and they came back to do it.

[1748] And they said it was Ian.

[1749] He said it was awesome.

[1750] Yeah.

[1751] Ian's coming to a soccer game with me. I become a soccer fan.

[1752] Yeah, I saw you posted a game here, right?

[1753] Yeah, we went to the Austin Football Club.

[1754] It's called the Austin FC.

[1755] You dug it?

[1756] Dude, it's good.

[1757] Yeah, it's really good, man. When you watch those guys in real time, first of all, massive appreciation.

[1758] Are you going to...

[1759] No, no. Let me hear that noise.

[1760] Let me hear it, let me hear it.

[1761] This is like ASMR?

[1762] It is.

[1763] Like, that nobody wants to hear.

[1764] Do you listen to ASMR?

[1765] I do all the time.

[1766] I don't.

[1767] I went on a date with a girl one time, and that's what she does for a living, just like ASMR videos.

[1768] And I was like...

[1769] That's hot.

[1770] Okay.

[1771] That's hot.

[1772] I mean she just wants to make noise.

[1773] I guess.

[1774] What do you mean you guess?

[1775] I mean it's weird to me that like that people are into that.

[1776] I'm into it with cooking.

[1777] Cooking videos?

[1778] Yeah, I listen to cooking ASMR videos.

[1779] How does that work?

[1780] Because you hear like the slicing the onion with the chef's night.

[1781] That is cool.

[1782] Have you seen this part of it?

[1783] Or they're doing.

[1784] Hey, that's her.

[1785] What are they doing?

[1786] That's the one I want to do.

[1787] They're sucking on things.

[1788] Yeah, they lick.

[1789] There's like a microphone inside this ear.

[1790] It's ear eating?

[1791] Let me hear of this.

[1792] Oh, yeah.

[1793] Isn't it weird how the internet has, like, opened up entire economies for weird shit?

[1794] Like, they probably make $100 ,000 a month.

[1795] Well, I hope they make more than that.

[1796] Okay.

[1797] All right.

[1798] We got to, yeah, we got an idea of what that is.

[1799] I'm sure.

[1800] Yeah.

[1801] Look, if you can imagine it, someone's doing it.

[1802] Right?

[1803] Yeah.

[1804] Someone's out there sucking toes on only fans, and all they do is suck toes.

[1805] Guaranteed.

[1806] Why wouldn't you?

[1807] It's a lot of money.

[1808] I bet.

[1809] What do you want to do?

[1810] People who would, like, send underwear, like, guys would pay top dollar just for, like, worn underwear?

[1811] Imagine if you're in the middle of a shithole USA, and you've got two options.

[1812] Work at Target or suck toes on only fans.

[1813] Imagine you work in Target.

[1814] Why choose?

[1815] You make working a Target, you make it $7 .95 an hour.

[1816] It fucking sucks.

[1817] Everyone's dumb.

[1818] You're working with assholes, you know, people on fentanyl all day.

[1819] It's just a disaster, right?

[1820] And then one of your friends goes, hey, I just made $3 ,000, taking pictures of my butt.

[1821] And you're like, what?

[1822] Wait a minute, $3 ,000.

[1823] And you start thinking about your stepdad and how you got to get the fuck out of this town.

[1824] And you're like, I need to get some goddamn money.

[1825] You know, what are people into?

[1826] They're in at feet.

[1827] Yeah, here they are.

[1828] There's a lot of girls on the only fans, apparently.

[1829] All they do is, like, show feet.

[1830] Like, yeah, that's enough.

[1831] That's all you need to do.

[1832] Like, Patreon is our only fans, just for, for comics you know like one unreleased episode a week that's our underline a Zipluck bag is it is shameful though i don't know i feel like we're in a post shame society patreon is an interesting thing too right because at first i was a little skeptical of it but now it's become so widespread and so many people who support artists and comics and all kinds of shit through patreon now it's pretty cool dude um like even the special that i did there's a donate button now on Because I saw Joe List, he released his on YouTube as well.

[1833] I love Joe List, very funny.

[1834] He had a donate button on there.

[1835] I'm like, oh, let me do that on mine.

[1836] It's called Super Thanks.

[1837] Because I self -financed, self -produced this.

[1838] There's no company behind it.

[1839] I go, if you guys liked it or whatever, share, like, subscribe.

[1840] Or, you know, if you're awesome, hit the donate button, but you don't have to.

[1841] And I would get like $10, $50.

[1842] It's like I wouldn't expect this type of goodwill from people, but fans really want to support you.

[1843] and I've been just kind of taken aback by the amount of donations from people just from that button.

[1844] Yeah, if you can get to a just purely donation -based income, it's probably the best way to do it.

[1845] Like I know Sam Harris essentially operates that way.

[1846] He does his podcast purely.

[1847] Not only does he do it, this is what he does.

[1848] He does it through this system where you have to subscribe.

[1849] You'll give you like the first 30 minutes of the podcast, and you have to subscribe to get the rest of the podcast.

[1850] So it costs money to subscribe.

[1851] But I think you get to donate, like, whatever you want to, I think.

[1852] It's like one of those deals.

[1853] And then on top, check to see if that's true.

[1854] I don't know if you get to donate whatever you want to get to Sam Harris's podcast.

[1855] But one thing you definitely do is if you can't afford it, he doesn't want it to be an impediment to you getting the show.

[1856] So if you can't afford it, he doesn't want it to be a barrier.

[1857] So he gives it to you for free.

[1858] I have to do his email.

[1859] If you just email, I can't afford it.

[1860] He goes, and we grant 100 % of the requests.

[1861] I go, that is crazy.

[1862] And it works.

[1863] Like, it works.

[1864] Like, are you going to have some scammers?

[1865] Yes, of course you are.

[1866] But you're going to have a lot of people that appreciate the will behind that, that it really is honest.

[1867] And it's an even exchange.

[1868] Yeah.

[1869] It's like, I'm going to do my best to create the show, donate.

[1870] And if you can't afford to donate, I don't want it to be the reason why you can't watch the show or listen to show.

[1871] So then you can have it for free.

[1872] Just email me. It's beautiful.

[1873] And that's what I wanted to do with this, too, just have no friction between the content and the people.

[1874] I'm incorrect.

[1875] So he's got a monthly and an annual.

[1876] I think I'm conflating him with somebody else who did a thing.

[1877] Someone else had one.

[1878] I forget who it is.

[1879] Obviously, I forget.

[1880] But someone had one where you could donate as much as you want.

[1881] So it could be a dollar or it could be, you know, $100, whatever the fuck you want.

[1882] And he had it set up that way, but it wasn't Sam.

[1883] So Sam has a specific model, like a subscription model.

[1884] But because he's so good, because he has this reputation from all of his, debates that are online and all of his talks online he puts on rock solid very fascinating very intellectually challenging content so it's worth the money but if you can set up a model like that where like even if you can't afford it all you have to do is ask and people like well this guy's legit yeah you has to be legit this is not something that a business person would create they wouldn't create that kind of a loophole where the redditors would you know capitalize on that or 4chan I should say yeah but there's also something cool about having that intimate relationship with the fans and you just kind of trust each other because I'll get 50 bucks I'll get 60 bucks and if I charge that much for my special yeah no one no one would give me 50 bucks for the special if I had that paywall but because it's free they are just so there's so much goodwill they go I enjoyed it so much here's 50 bucks and there's something cool about that yeah and you don't like it's kind of communism a little bit or socialist dee Yeah, it's okay You don't need as much I think what's great about what's happening with technology and art is you don't need everybody in the world you can have a thriving business with just a core group of diehard fans Yes, that's that is important and I think if you're connected to a network unfortunately like if you're on a television show or if you're doing something else they don't want a small group of thriving fans they want the largest widest reach possible and the best way to do that is to water and make sure you don't put anything in danger.

[1885] You don't say anything crazy.

[1886] It's like art by focus group.

[1887] We're all a team.

[1888] Okay, there's 100 people behind you on this team.

[1889] If you get in trouble, we get in trouble.

[1890] Okay?

[1891] Yeah.

[1892] So why don't you shut the fuck up?

[1893] Just be a team player.

[1894] Yeah, just be a team player.

[1895] Well, that's what I thought about when comedians get canceled supposedly, and then people on Twitter will be like, cancel culture isn't real.

[1896] Look at the comedian still performing.

[1897] And you're forgetting the fact that they, the comedian is fortunate enough to have, so so like they don't have any moving parts to but the commerce between them and the people because like Kevin Spacey needs a production team he needs people so many people to say yes to this thing where it's not going to happen right whereas with stand -up comedy if enough people come to a venue that's the business yeah it's a guy in a mic will people show up to the venue you can't throw a wrench into that like people are voting with their money well yeah Yeah, but it's also like, what do you mean cancel culture isn't real?

[1898] If you're saying that people don't like to gang up on people when something goes wrong, no, I'm not saying you are.

[1899] I'm saying other people that are saying cancel culture isn't real.

[1900] If they're saying that, that's just because someone can still work, doesn't mean they didn't get a horrendous experience that they may or may not have deserved.

[1901] Like it's, and it's sort of sport.

[1902] There's a sport to it.

[1903] There's a lot of people that pile on.

[1904] There's a sport.

[1905] And, you know, Tim Dylan and I became friends because of a thing that he wrote about Louis C .K. And I reached out to him.

[1906] He wrote about all these people that are like mediocre, not very talented comics.

[1907] They were shitting all over Louis CK.

[1908] And I was like, he's right.

[1909] Because I see that.

[1910] I recognize that there were certain people, not all of them, but there are certain people that were highly critical of Louie in a way where it was almost like he was, they were trying to make sure that this uber talented guy never entered back.

[1911] It wasn't even what he did.

[1912] It was more of the social status.

[1913] They're going to reclaim or they're going to claim higher ground by pushing him down.

[1914] It was a weird sort of like kick them when they're down thing that didn't, it wasn't just about what happened.

[1915] It was also about them moving and it was transparent.

[1916] It was about them moving up.

[1917] You could see it.

[1918] Yeah.

[1919] Because they all sucked.

[1920] It wasn't like anybody that was really brilliant that was killing it.

[1921] They came out against Louis C. Like that.

[1922] It wasn't.

[1923] It was guys that were terrible at stand -up.

[1924] Or okay at stand -up, but they suck at women in life and they're depressed and there's like they're not maybe their career was going good and then it started to falter it's like those guys those are the attackers it wasn't people there was people that were critical of him but it's the attackers like the way they did it it's like it's almost like the you didn't want to recognize that he's a human being it's almost like he becomes enemy sure he becomes like oh you can attack they're say crazy shit that doesn't have to be accurate there is an opportunistic uh element whenever someone is down like that yeah let me jump off their back to slam dunk here on Twitter.

[1925] Yeah.

[1926] You know, that is very prevalent.

[1927] It's natural.

[1928] It's human nature.

[1929] And it's human nature is also because if someone like Will Smith does something really stupid like smack Chris Rock, it's not just he did something stupid.

[1930] But it's also he has lived a life of extreme, like, I don't want to say fortune because he's super talented.

[1931] But it's a very, very unusual.

[1932] usual life and unattainable to most people.

[1933] Oscar winner, movie star, recording artist.

[1934] I mean, he's a super, superstar.

[1935] So for him to do something where we can all go, boo, fuck you.

[1936] It's not just boo fuck you.

[1937] It's also boo fuck you and now you're not going to be as big as you used to be.

[1938] Now I'm not going to, now I'm not going to support you.

[1939] Now I'm not unknown rapper went up and smacked Chris Rock in the face.

[1940] That guy would be huge.

[1941] If he was with his girlfriend, let's say Jada Pinkett breaks up with Will Smith and Jada Pinkett is at the Oscars.

[1942] And the Will Smith's slap never took place.

[1943] And she's with some young rapper.

[1944] And the rapper responds to Chris Rock's joke by going on stage and smacking him.

[1945] That guy would be huge.

[1946] He'd be bawling out of control.

[1947] He would make 15.

[1948] songs about it who would have like stacks of cash on a private jet talking about slapping chris rock it was weird seeing the takes after that happened like some people were like yeah that's how you protect your woman i'm glad he did it it was so weird how that was like a roar shock test for america yeah or the world i'm like how could anyone think that that was justified it wasn't even a mean joke not at all it was very i've said this before but i'll say it again just because the interest of being clear here.

[1949] That movie was a strong movie.

[1950] That G .I. Jane was a movie about a beautiful woman, Dime Moore, who became a fucking Navy SEAL.

[1951] She was a badass lady.

[1952] There's nothing negative about it.

[1953] So saying G .I. Jane, too.

[1954] It's empowering.

[1955] There's nothing negative about it.

[1956] It's like you're literally comparing yourself to a hero.

[1957] Or someone is comparing you, rather, to a hero.

[1958] It's not an insult.

[1959] If he said powder, now I get it.

[1960] Yeah.

[1961] Then I get it.

[1962] Yeah, yeah, if he said a fucking cojack.

[1963] Yeah, then by all means, dude, he did.

[1964] Cojack was a...

[1965] I thought I was dating myself with powder.

[1966] No, Cojack was in the fucking 70s.

[1967] I used to watch him my grandpa.

[1968] Was he a lollipop?

[1969] Yeah, he had a lollipop.

[1970] I know.

[1971] He was a detective.

[1972] Fucking.

[1973] Those are the early days of law and order.

[1974] That's set up the trap of law and order where there's always a smart detective.

[1975] It figures out your fucking sneaky plan.

[1976] There are certain boilerplate shows that will never go away.

[1977] Like the hospital drama, the legal drama.

[1978] the cop thing Those are just They're timeless Because there's inherent stakes Somebody needs to do A new Smoky and the Bandit Didn't they do a movie?

[1979] They need to do a new one Oh shit Like a series?

[1980] No, a new movie Okay Burr Valds is dead We need a new Smoky in the Bandit Who's gonna be Smoky?

[1981] I don't know We need someone who's good The Bandit Smokey was the Jackie Gleason character Okay okay So who's gonna be the band Is that it?

[1982] Smokey's like That's the the fuzz, right?

[1983] Isn't that what they called it back in those CB days?

[1984] The fuzz?

[1985] Oh, the cops, yeah, yeah.

[1986] That's like a cop, right?

[1987] The bandit was Bert Reynolds, right?

[1988] So the other guy, Smoky must have been, I mean, that's must, I don't remember.

[1989] Isn't that, like, term, smoky doesn't that mean the cops?

[1990] Yeah.

[1991] I think it meant the cops back then.

[1992] But, uh, Bert Reynolds and Sally Fields, those are fun -ass movies, man. It was an innocent time.

[1993] I'm excited for Top Gun.

[1994] I feel like, since COVID and everything there hasn't been a movie that has captured the nation yet or whatever I'm excited to go back to the theaters and check that out especially we're on the brink of war sure and it might be a war with jets you think they'll address it in the movie I doubt it I doubt it he's flying up there Tom Cruise I mean that's what the movie's about the movie's about guys who fly fighter jets that kill people really good the movies about the guys who are the best at flying the jet That's they kill people.

[1995] They just do top gun with drones.

[1996] I mean, they do that simply because they want to kill people.

[1997] That's why they're really good at it.

[1998] Or to defend to stop anybody from killing us.

[1999] That's a good thing.

[2000] It is a good thing.

[2001] But I'm just saying it's a wild subject for a movie.

[2002] Like, this guy's the hero, the guy that kills people the best.

[2003] And it's kind of an indiscriminate way of killing people.

[2004] You're launching missiles into a fucking bunker somewhere.

[2005] Because it's so tiny.

[2006] Like it's not real when it's like you're so far.

[2007] far away.

[2008] You just see a puff.

[2009] You just see shoot!

[2010] Yeah, you're like, I'm not I don't see the carnage.

[2011] I'm okay.

[2012] Yeah, you're not stabbing someone.

[2013] You're not shooting someone in the face.

[2014] You're launching missiles from the sky.

[2015] It's easy to compartmentalize that.

[2016] Do you imagine how fucking alert you have to be to pilot one of those jets?

[2017] And how long do they fly for?

[2018] I don't think they fly for very long.

[2019] I think they run out of gas pretty fucking quick.

[2020] Yeah.

[2021] Don't you have to be a certain height too?

[2022] Like if you're too tall, you can't be a fighter jet or a fighter pilot?

[2023] Well, there's a thing about G -Force.

[2024] I flew with the Blue Angels once, and they don't wear G suits.

[2025] And the guy who flew me, you know, it's like there's a pilot and you sit behind and he goes through like some stuff with you.

[2026] The guy who flew me was fucking jacked.

[2027] He was like maybe five, nine, five, ten at the most.

[2028] They try to keep him fairly short because, I mean, you don't want a guy seven feet tall to be a fighter jet.

[2029] Also, probably wouldn't fit in there that good.

[2030] But the thing is, it's about the distance between your blood and your heart.

[2031] so when you hit g -force you have to do a thing called hooking and hooking is you're like this and you're forcing blood into your head to try to stay conscious and the gravity the fucking the g -force of the acceleration of the banking of a turn or something like that we got to i think we got to seven and a half gs i think that's the most i could take and this dude has done nine 10 G's, it is insane amount of pressure.

[2032] You feel your consciousness closing.

[2033] Like the blood is leaving your brain.

[2034] It's being pushed out by the force.

[2035] And the only way you can stay conscious is do this hooking thing.

[2036] So they have to be jacked.

[2037] And they have to be fairly small.

[2038] Except the G suits.

[2039] I think the G suits make it quite a bit easier.

[2040] And they're like, I don't know, I'm not exactly sure how they work, but they're almost like inflated.

[2041] Like G suits are like some sort of a It's some sort of thing that mitigates the effect of gravity, but that's why you can't be, like, tall.

[2042] Right.

[2043] Because I think it's harder to get the blood to the fucking brain.

[2044] Without passing out and shit.

[2045] Yeah, because you're going, hoot, hoot, huts!

[2046] Like, you're literally forcing blood into your head.

[2047] And you feel like, if you just let go and relax, you're going to go black.

[2048] Have you seen those videos, the training videos, where they're, like, pulling all those Gs and you see where they pass out?

[2049] Yeah.

[2050] Oh.

[2051] It's nuts.

[2052] Yeah.

[2053] Yeah, it's hard to not pass out.

[2054] And, you know, some people have, like, almost like a natural proclivity to fainting.

[2055] I wonder if that plays into a factor there.

[2056] Some people, like, they see things and they just black out.

[2057] Yeah, you might be a great pilot, but if you pass out too early, you're kind of fucked.

[2058] Or what if you're a great surgeon?

[2059] The moment you cut somebody, you know?

[2060] Yeah.

[2061] I mean, that's a thing with people.

[2062] Or you get the yips.

[2063] I dated this girl, and her dad was a dentist.

[2064] And he couldn't see, like, bad stuff.

[2065] Even though he was a dentist.

[2066] Like blood?

[2067] His son came home once, and his son had bad sunburn, like real bad sunburned.

[2068] He had, like, third -degree burns, like bubbles and blisters on him.

[2069] The dad saw it blacked out.

[2070] I was like, oh, my God.

[2071] Oh, my God.

[2072] You can do you, he could pull teeth, though.

[2073] We went to a movie once, me and this gal.

[2074] And in the movie, someone's shooting heroin, and she sees the heroin needle go into the guy's arm, and she blacked out.

[2075] And she warned me. I thought she was joking.

[2076] Like, you really faint?

[2077] She was, yeah, I can't.

[2078] It's in my family.

[2079] my dad does it too like that's crazy because I know but I can't do anything about it I'm like wow that's weird that it's hereditary it's hereditary it's like the golden retriever thing like I just can't see needles well I think it's like a shocking trauma thing like any shocking physical trauma just boom shut off which is like what a weird reaction not repulsion not you know your body's like I'm out your body's like check please if we shut off people would catch Justin, they'll bring us to a nice hospital and have to see this fucking needle going this guy's arm in a movie theater.

[2080] I would just look away.

[2081] I would just look at the top corner of the screen.

[2082] It is weird, though, isn't it?

[2083] That, like, people, some people have this built -in, like, snooze button that you can just hit.

[2084] Weird.

[2085] Yeah.

[2086] I thought that happens when, like, trauma happens.

[2087] Like, I was thinking, if you an explosion or you get shot, your body just makes you not feel it going to shock, like, to protect yourself.

[2088] Oh, that's true.

[2089] Yeah, that's definitely.

[2090] why you get knocked out you know your body's trying to protect you and also it's like your mind in your central nervous system just can't handle the shock of what just happened to it so it just shuts down to try to almost try to like reboot i think i mean that's probably a shitty way of describing it but it's just the trauma of brain injury that causes you know a concussion and being knocked unconscious is just a ruthless situation for the whole the whole body like if you see people to get knocked out like um uh javanti davis just scored a stunning knockout this uh this past um saturday night of against uh ralander romero and he hit him with this fucking left hook man it was so beautiful this counter left because the dude was like a super powerful knockout puncher and he wades in with a right hand to the body and he throws another right hand boom he gets caught with his left hand boom when he gets dropped so he threw a right hand to the head and then a right of the body.

[2091] Pull it back again so I could see it.

[2092] So watch it one more time.

[2093] So he throws his right hand to the head and then he throws it to the body and he gets countered with a picture perfect left hook and just starched.

[2094] So watch he tries to get up and his whole central nervous system is just fried.

[2095] Like he can't get up.

[2096] His legs aren't working right.

[2097] Like he's conscious like look look how everything doesn't work right.

[2098] Like he's trying to back up and the referee's like stand here and he's like no no no you can't you're not even listening.

[2099] And he's not even protesting.

[2100] He knows he's out of it.

[2101] He has no. idea what's going on.

[2102] So this whole system just shut the fuck off.

[2103] Have you seen that Instagram account, that boxing?

[2104] I sent it to you one time.

[2105] You're like, oh yeah, I know this guy.

[2106] Or they do the animations on the boxing?

[2107] Yes, yes, yes.

[2108] I love that account.

[2109] No, that's great.

[2110] God damn, I forgot the account.

[2111] Boxing loop, I think.

[2112] It's like Mortal Kombat animations.

[2113] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2114] Yeah, I love it.

[2115] That's the beautiful thing about the internet.

[2116] One of them.

[2117] There's just so much content, so much cool shit.

[2118] There's so many talented people out there in the world, and it's really democratized talent.

[2119] Well, how about memes?

[2120] Memes as well.

[2121] Like how many fucking hilarious memes are there?

[2122] Yeah, here it is.

[2123] Boxing loop.

[2124] So he adds all this cool animation.

[2125] Two -piece no soda.

[2126] Doon, doon.

[2127] That's interesting.

[2128] It just makes it fun.

[2129] There's a few of those.

[2130] There's a few of those that are out there that do stuff with MMA fights too.

[2131] It's, again, just like comedians.

[2132] You know, it's an interesting time for anybody to create things.

[2133] as long as the gatekeepers understand the reason why it's so cool in the first place is because you let so many diverse ideas and opinions and styles of thought and styles of creating things get loose yeah you can't control that so much it's not good for anybody it's exciting to see that no one conglomerate controls the pipe but they do kind of they do a little bit you kind of controls the video pipe it's a little more open than say one person's taste at a netflix HBO mags or a Comedy Central.

[2134] You have a better chance of reaching more people via Instagram, TikTok, YouTube.

[2135] Right, but they can remove you if they don't like what you say.

[2136] They can remove you, and they do, and they do all the time.

[2137] Yeah.

[2138] But it's like, should that be a thing?

[2139] Well, that's, it's our, I mean, I understand the impulse to try to make things nicer, try to make people behave nicer, but I don't think necessarily like banning people from having differing opinions in you is the way to do it.

[2140] And shadow banning people, it's like you're taking away someone's livelihood on a misunderstanding occasionally.

[2141] Exactly.

[2142] It's an imperfect science.

[2143] Exactly.

[2144] And it's also, it's like, it's a little too convenient to shut people up that way, you know?

[2145] But then, you know, it's like, it's weird.

[2146] It's like, you know, they'll say, like, one thing that people are really freaking out about is Trump.

[2147] Trump coming back to Twitter, you know, if Trump comes back to Twitter, and people think that'd be terrible if Trump comes back to Twitter.

[2148] but the fucking Taliban's on Twitter they're on TikTok they're not allowed to do TikTok and you shouldn't even say that especially being from Afghanistan I mean yeah yeah sorry you should know that buddy but you mean China's on Twitter CCP's on Twitter aren't they I almost feel like that was just a ploy from China like all right yeah we're just going to have your youth do dancing and all these pranks and grocery stores and we're going to limit our people with what they can do with it it's going to be education based we're going to shut it off at a certain time and then you guys are going to idiocracy it and then we're going to take over well that's the thing about like social engineering first of all let's not pretend that any civilization has ever done social engineering where it worked long term I mean just the horrors of this single child household that China imposed for years just the horrors of what happened to female babies it's terrible terrible shit that doesn't just make a disproportionate amount of males to females, which is a huge problem in China right now, but also all those people that had female babies that had to be killed, like that's not a small amount of people.

[2149] And all those people whose family was ratted out, and someone found out that the woman's pregnant, and so they forced her to have abortions when she's nine months pregnant, or forced her to give birth to a dead baby, so they would literally inject the head of the baby with a poison to kill the baby while it's in the womb so that it's born still born?

[2150] I'm reading this about it in this Douglas Murray book called The War on the West, and that's one of the things that he talks about.

[2151] Like that is the single child household in China was a terrible thing.

[2152] And that's a form of social engineering.

[2153] There's too many people, so you can only have one kid.

[2154] And, you know, people with no kids are like, yeah, well, how do you enforce that?

[2155] Is the problem with any idea with socialism, right, or Marxism?

[2156] It's like, how do you enforce it?

[2157] With violence.

[2158] It's the only way.

[2159] If you want to get everybody to, like, give their money up and no one has any weapons, and, you know, you decide how much everybody gets paid and, you know, whatever your task is, it's the same as the fucking guy who makes pizzas, is the same as the guy who builds jets.

[2160] It's all the same.

[2161] Like, how do you enforce that?

[2162] Violence.

[2163] It's the only way.

[2164] And so then the state becomes your daddy, and then the state decides that, you know, like in the case of North Korea, that it's daddy is super powerful and plays golf, anybody that's ever lived.

[2165] You ever read the account of Kim Jong -un playing golf?

[2166] No, but I know, like, him and Dennis Rodman and boys.

[2167] I read something about it, that it might be just a misinterpretation that got way blown out of proportion.

[2168] Sounds like Jamie works with a state.

[2169] No, there's a way to keep score where you're not writing down the actual number you got, you're just writing down relative to par.

[2170] He had 11 holes in one, bro.

[2171] That's not how, that's just, someone read the score wrong, and it got reported that way, is how I read this interpretation.

[2172] But that was the interpretation of the glowing media coverage in the North Korean news, wasn't it?

[2173] I'd read through this in, like, a golf magazine, you know, expose.

[2174] Golf magazine's getting paid off.

[2175] It just made more sense when it was written that way as all.

[2176] He got a score way more accurately that he should have, like, 120 or something like that.

[2177] I don't know what that means.

[2178] since I don't play golf but his holes in one would have been one over rather than an actual one that's how they were writing the score down that's all I'm trying to say so what was that the depiction that we read so then someone saw that scorecard was like holy shit what they don't understand there's different golf but that wasn't written by the North Korean news I'm just I'll pull up the article I read I'm just it's going out of proportion I wanted to do a sketch called like North Korean Sports Center and it's just Kim Jong -un like beating He's, like, winning the finals in the World Cup, and, like, he's just this man. He's elbow dunking on, like, LeBron.

[2179] Like, great leader wins again.

[2180] Yeah.

[2181] I had Yonemi Park on the podcast, a woman who escaped North Korea.

[2182] Yeah.

[2183] You want to talk about a lady who just doesn't want to hear any bullshit.

[2184] When you escape North Korea and you make it into China as a sex slave when you're 13, you have no tolerance for bullshit.

[2185] None.

[2186] No tolerance for bullshit.

[2187] It's just what the fuck, man. The fact that that is going on right now, and that in 2022, while you and I are sitting here drinking whiskey and talking shit, there's people that are slaves in Korea and North Korea and they can't get out.

[2188] They're trapped and they're barely alive.

[2189] They barely survive in terms of like their ability to just have enough food to live and they live in concentration camps and they work for the state.

[2190] You live in slave camps and you might even not have ever done anything.

[2191] You might be born in that slave camp.

[2192] Like, she was explaining how, like, if one generation, say if your grandfather does something that's bad against the state, they will curse multiple generations.

[2193] So you'll be imprisoned and your children be in prison and their children be in prison before their children get released.

[2194] That's fucked.

[2195] You're on the hook for previous generations.

[2196] What the fuck, man?

[2197] Yeah, you'll live the rest of your life in jail because your grandfather was an asshole.

[2198] You're not even born yet, and you're already fucked.

[2199] What did you pull up, Jimmy?

[2200] So this reporter went.

[2201] the golf course where this happened, and he explains in here how it went from an innocent scorekeeping mistake and got.

[2202] Before I tell you what I know, I should tell you how I came to know it.

[2203] The details were relayed to me five years ago during my own travels in North Korea, where I turned up to compete in a tournament.

[2204] Build as the national championship, the North Korean Open, is more curiosity than cut -throat contest, which is only fitting, given that it's held in Pyongyang golf course, the same layout where the deer leader allegedly shot his 34.

[2205] The fields in the annual handicapped event are fairly small.

[2206] Most of golfers struggle to break 90.

[2207] So it goes on and explains how he talked to some people there.

[2208] They explained to him that there was a scorekeeping shorthand that is used there, and then someone whoever found that in the North Korean State News most likely didn't know that and then ran with the...

[2209] Okay, so it says unfamiliar with the scorekeeping shorthand the North Korean State News Agency covering the outing had read the five ones on Kim's card as holes in one.

[2210] Forget the fact that Kim, a ranked beginner, probably never sniffed bogey all day if you were keeping score for a brutal autocrat.

[2211] Would you dare tell him he'd made nothing but Snowman?

[2212] I don't know what.

[2213] You fucking dorks talking on your little word jargo.

[2214] I don't want to hear it.

[2215] Shut your mouth.

[2216] Easy.

[2217] Easy.

[2218] His alleged ace is okay.

[2219] Maybe.

[2220] That's all.

[2221] So I would like to pretend that I didn't read that just go with the original propaganda piece because I think it was awesome that they said he scored 15 holes in one.

[2222] You're not a golf guy?

[2223] No. I would be a golf guy though.

[2224] I would definitely look at Tony Hinchcliffe and Jamie and Ron White play.

[2225] It would be fun to play with them.

[2226] I think what I'm going to do one day is when Jamie and Tony finally play I'm going to film it on the iPhone and just get super baked and just talk shit to them hang out of the golf course.

[2227] You're like happy Gilmore?

[2228] No, I'm not going to play.

[2229] No, you got to play.

[2230] No, if I played with them, I would hold them back.

[2231] I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.

[2232] I mean, I don't play, but I want to.

[2233] Like, Santino, he's a member at this, like, great country club.

[2234] They say Santino's very good.

[2235] Really?

[2236] They say he plays, don't you say that?

[2237] We're going to do nine holes.

[2238] He's like, I'll take you, you could have my loner clubs.

[2239] He's going to try to get you to gamble with him.

[2240] No, you think?

[2241] He's going to try to rob you.

[2242] All right.

[2243] I'll do it.

[2244] I'm going to hustle you.

[2245] It's a big thing with golf, right?

[2246] It's like pool.

[2247] Like Jordan?

[2248] Well, Jordan gambles.

[2249] Oh, yeah.

[2250] Big difference between, like, hustling and gambling.

[2251] Hustling is someone pretends they're not good, and they get you to gamble, and then they rob you.

[2252] You know, that's like psychology.

[2253] It's gamesmanship.

[2254] I used to be friends with a pool hustler, like a legitimate homeless pool hustler who sometimes slept on my couch, and sometimes he hadn't slept for days, and he'd snore like a goddamn train was rolling through my house.

[2255] I couldn't sleep.

[2256] I'd be on my bedroom in the other room, and he'd be on my couch, and I'd have my fucking pillow stuffed over my ear.

[2257] I couldn't sleep.

[2258] That was his whole living, just pool sharking?

[2259] Just being in a pool?

[2260] So what would he do, just like pretend like he's not that good or...

[2261] That's what most of it was.

[2262] And then occasionally it was him getting big games.

[2263] So, like, you'd play for money.

[2264] But those are, you know, when you're playing big games, you're playing a good player.

[2265] And so, like, if, you know, you're betting $100 against Jamie and you're both, like, A players, like, who knows, man, you might be real loose that night and you might run out or he might be loose and he might, you know, the balls might roll bad for you and you could lose 13 -12 and a race to $13 for like $100, now you're fucked.

[2266] So when you're really good, it's hard to make any money because you're playing against other people that are really good.

[2267] You know, and then also, like, two people don't want to give money away.

[2268] Right.

[2269] They want a chance.

[2270] And so, like, if you're, like, say, Copigny, is like one of the top guys in the world, and you want to play Shane Van Boning, who's another top guy in the world.

[2271] Who the fuck knows who's going to win that?

[2272] They have to figure it out, so guys bicker.

[2273] The guys are, I want two to one of the money.

[2274] I want, you know, I want 10 -9 on the score.

[2275] Like, he has to go to 10, but we only have to go to 9.

[2276] Like they try to come up with advantageous games to try and sometimes people are more hungry to gamble than they are smart and so they agree to these stupid games like fuck it fuck it you want to rob let's fucking play and they'll play and they'll have a terrible game that they probably can't win just because they got cajoled into it by some guy who talks a lot of shit so there's that ego play yeah it's not just ego it's also you're you're dealing with the fact that the person's junkie they're gambling junkies they're action junkies they want the action you know and the action of playing pool for money it's very exciting did you get into that yeah i did oh yeah i did i was never good i never good like i could play real guys but i was good enough so i could occasionally i do really well in like a local tournament but i couldn't beat anybody and not a real player i was always like a b player there's like a very big distinction between a b player and an a player what is the difference in that in that level jump time time practicing um uh practice with intent intention Like you, like if you watch a guy like Jason Shaw, it's one of the best guys in the world, there's videos of him, Jason with a J -A -A -Y, S -O -N - Shaw.

[2277] He practices, and puts videos of his practice sessions on YouTube and on Instagram, and he just aligns balls up, and he shoots the ball and gets position in the next ball, and shoots the ball and gets position on the next ball.

[2278] He just has like a line of balls, and he has to place it perfectly to get position on the next ball and maneuver his cue ball around the table.

[2279] It's like this drill that he does.

[2280] So instead of just playing, he does specific shots over and over and over and all the best guys do that.

[2281] Because that's what separates the guys who are truly elite from guys that are just really good players.

[2282] The really good players, they don't practice like this because this shit is fucking boring.

[2283] So this guy is making the eight ball on the side.

[2284] That's on purpose.

[2285] Like, watch this shot.

[2286] This is a bank shot where he's going to bank it off the long rail here, bang, and it'll go right into the side off the cue ball.

[2287] Wild.

[2288] Just over and over again.

[2289] he can do that shit over and over again but he's one of the best players on earth you know there's like a handful of guys that consistently went like watch one of these this is these practice things that he sets by the way this guy just broke the world record for the most amount of balls run in straight pool and it's uh it's either in the six hundreds depending on one person's because apparently he touched one of the balls at one point in time or it's in the seven hundreds because the rules don't state that you can't touch a ball.

[2290] Like, it's only fouls on a cue ball, meaning you can't accidentally touch the cue ball or the cue ball scratch.

[2291] But what you can do is accidentally brush up against the ball, like, say, me with a fingertip or with your clothing or something like that.

[2292] Is that glove new?

[2293] When did that come in?

[2294] That's been around for a while.

[2295] They developed these gloves because, like, the thing about a cue in your hand is, like, friction.

[2296] You don't want to have friction.

[2297] You want it to glide through your fingers.

[2298] And the best way for it to glide through your fingers, your fingers is these pool gloves that they develop and a lot of guys play with them now because it's just more consistent.

[2299] The whole thing is like consistency.

[2300] You want like a consistent feel to the cue, you want a consistent feel to the tip, you want a consistent feel the way it slides through your fingers and then, see how how genius this is, like how he just gets perfect on every ball?

[2301] Like if you don't play, you don't know how difficult this is.

[2302] But what this guy's doing is just cue ball wizardry.

[2303] He just knows exactly where the name, you know, you He almost fucked up there.

[2304] He knows exactly where the next ball is going to be, and he's going to maneuver his cue ball in place so he can make that shot.

[2305] And he does this all day long.

[2306] So this is not the most fun.

[2307] The most fun thing to do is to play.

[2308] Now he's going to go in between the rail.

[2309] Look at that.

[2310] Ooh, perfect.

[2311] So the most fun thing to do is play.

[2312] But if you do this for hours and hours a day, you'll play better.

[2313] So then when you actually do play, you win more.

[2314] It's just like stand -up and writing.

[2315] Yeah.

[2316] Same thing.

[2317] some people just play some people practice some people just go on stage some people write what's your process like when you do these arena tours and everything and your your hour's pretty tight like are you ready to yeah I'm probably ready to do something I have to put something on a special soon but I just you know I practice a lot we're doing a lot of sets in town doing a lot of sets of the Vulcan doing a lot of writing but right now like one of the problems with having an hour that's pretty much ready to go is when I release it, then I'm going to have to write a whole new hour.

[2318] That's where I am right now.

[2319] I'm starting over.

[2320] It's tricky.

[2321] It's tricky.

[2322] It's exciting.

[2323] It's dangerous, yeah.

[2324] It's like you're starting over again.

[2325] I like having the mental real estate.

[2326] There's no safety net anymore.

[2327] It's, uh, all right, do the thing again.

[2328] Mm -hmm.

[2329] Yeah, do it again.

[2330] You did it before.

[2331] You'll do it again.

[2332] And then two years from now, you'll be thinking about filming this and you'll do it again.

[2333] That's what we do.

[2334] You know, it's fun.

[2335] And also is a humility to it.

[2336] because it makes you a beginner every couple years.

[2337] Every couple years you run out of weapons.

[2338] You have no more weapons.

[2339] Like, you used to be able to go on stage.

[2340] Yeah, yeah.

[2341] And you had comedy weapons, you know?

[2342] You had comedy missiles.

[2343] You could launch out that crowd.

[2344] But also you kind of care, whatever you're talking about now, you always care the most about.

[2345] Because I'm proud of the special and all the bits and stuff that I did, but like if I were to do them now, I'm not as invested.

[2346] It's a snapshot of you.

[2347] It's almost like looking at a senior photo of yourself or something.

[2348] you know like oh well represents an era an era of your work yes you know yes it's a little more complex than a senior photo because it's all those thoughts and ideas and the way you deliver them but it does represent an era of your work you know yeah yeah it's just like picking the fruit when it's ripe because sometimes you can yeah it's on the tree for too long that shit ferment yeah it ferments and there is an art and a magic till like I'm still invested in this let's get some cameras on it mm -hmm while it's still magical because if you wait too long then you're not as infested anymore fucking do it Jamie Jamie's over there watching porn what are you doing that up I didn't know oh there it is again yeah nice oh Tarantino yeah he was there on that he's a comedy fan he saw my set it was so wild because like I'm a huge fan and he was like he's like I want to talk to the cool guy and he was hanging out the whole night like even after the set he was kicking it you know where everyone smokes weed in the back and like I had a writing job so I had a lead I'm like well this has been great thank you so much man like fuck that job dude you're supposed to stay up I know what are you doing well I'm I don't have it anymore I don't have it anymore but yeah but you could have been staying up look at that you're going through the back and everything that's nice but it's beautiful because I still was working at the time but at night I just knew I had to do this this was my North Star I did that thing by day but there's so many things when you're a comedian like what do I do what's the move and all that and you can get really clouded with what I should do but I'm like make this special just forget about everything else make this and then worry about everything else so I just did the writing job by day I made this thing at night just funneled all my energy into it I'm like make a great piece of art that is you and then figure out that shit later but for some reason I don't know if the stars aligning or some spirit it's like it just said make this thing and I made it and yeah that's awesome yeah I love stories like that thanks man I love it I love the fact that you did it and you're the first guy to figure out to do it.

[2349] You're the first comic to figure out to do that hat trick thing.

[2350] Isn't it so obvious though?

[2351] Yeah, but you think about the amount of specials that have been filmed at the comedy store, it's really not that many.

[2352] It's Louis and Ari and who else?

[2353] Gerard did his there.

[2354] And who else?

[2355] Brody.

[2356] Chappelle in the belly.

[2357] Oh, that's right.

[2358] Chappelle in the belly room.

[2359] Yeah.

[2360] Which one was that?

[2361] The closer?

[2362] No. No. Stixen stones?

[2363] No. Quimini Equino.

[2364] Or I'm giving it whatever.

[2365] Right, right, right.

[2366] The one with the weird name.

[2367] Yes.

[2368] Yeah.

[2369] Yeah.

[2370] It's um, there's not that many over the years.

[2371] I think it was difficult to film there for a while.

[2372] I think people didn't want you to film there for a while for whatever reason, you know?

[2373] Yeah, I will take my hand off to Peter Shore because I had the idea and I called it because I couldn't do it without their sign off, you know, because it's, they're very protective of the name and the building and I call them and I go, I've always had this idea to do this type of special at the store.

[2374] I was kind of preparing for them to say no because they are pretty hard.

[2375] lined about it's a magical place you know they don't want anyone filming in the OR because it's where we work on our stuff they're very protective because sometimes a laugh factory would just release clips of like Chappelle and and they didn't want it you know like they're a little loosey -goosey film people and didn't tell them the laugh factory was kind of loosey goosey with their clips that would go up and the store has just always been known and had this reputation with comics that like you're protected that's not going to happen clips like if you're working on a new bit now that bit's out there and it's got 10 million views that and then it's not done yet right it's already out in the world exactly so comics didn't like that yeah the store had always been known for having it's almost like a yonder bag yeah well you can't do that it's right it's yeah so I knew but but for some people it's good what do you mean so for some people when they put their clips up it's on the laugh factory channel and then it helps them if it really depends if everyone's on the same page then it's great that's the only way but when it's up and you're like what is what the fuck take it down exactly that's a problem when you think about your career and think about like times where you wanted to record and how much how much travel you have to do to get to the spot where you're happy with your material if at any point in time it gets cut off and gets released that was one of the things that annoyed me greatly about people's response to louis ck's leak set remember when louis c had that leak set he had to stand up in 10 months it's funny it's pretty good and not not well i mean it would have gotten great.

[2376] You're talking about a guy who didn't do stand -up at all for 10 months.

[2377] And then this is what he does when he comes back.

[2378] I mean, he didn't do it at all.

[2379] And then this is what he does when he comes back.

[2380] And he was killing.

[2381] And it's like, and people say, oh, he lost his heart, he lost his way.

[2382] No, he's doing the exact same shit.

[2383] He always did.

[2384] The exact same shit.

[2385] And when people were criticizing that, I'm like, hey, man, you're literally criticizing a baby step.

[2386] you criticizing the first steps of a whole set get the fuck out of here do you know how to make comedy or not do you know how to make comedy or not well if you do then you're a fucking liar and you're pretending that this isn't how it works and that you don't go on stage with some ideas and just fucking swing you fail so many more times until it gets more refined I will have bigger ideas and maybe it's touchy and I do it and it doesn't go well so one thing if you criticize someone for a finished product that you don't like but it's another thing when someone's doing a workout set and they're filmed without their knowledge or recorded without their knowledge come the fuck on you know what comedy is you know how hard it is to make so for you to pretend that this is some indictment on this person's soul like get the fuck out of here you're ripping apart a first draft it's barely a first draft it's an idea from that day and also people like the Louis set people were viewing the comedy through a new prism Yeah.

[2387] Whereas if none of that had happened and they heard that set, they'd be like, brilliant.

[2388] He's done it again.

[2389] Yeah, he's done it again.

[2390] Yeah, exactly.

[2391] And unfortunately, we never got to see a lot of those bits evolve.

[2392] You know, because how long was that set?

[2393] Do you remember how long that set was?

[2394] It was like half hour maybe?

[2395] Something like that, yeah.

[2396] I mean, think about, he might have got 15 killer fucking minutes of that.

[2397] You don't know.

[2398] Like all those great ideas that he had sat on for 10 months while, you know, he was canceled, whatever.

[2399] Yeah.

[2400] It's one of those things, man. I get why people will be upset at certain things.

[2401] It's not what my problem is.

[2402] What my problem is is the way people handle stuff and this tendency towards, like, looking at someone through a distorted lens because it benefits you to do that.

[2403] You know, like choosing to frame things in a way that benefits you.

[2404] Art is interesting in that way, where people can, they'll look at Louie now and just be like he's not funny because there's all these other, there's other things associated with it.

[2405] Well, if you are really upset by those things associated with it and you maybe have had a bad experience, your own with a man, and you just decide that, I don't, he's not funny to me. That's your prerogative.

[2406] Right.

[2407] You are allowed to do that.

[2408] That's 100%.

[2409] You know, you're allowed to listen to or watch whatever the thing.

[2410] the fuck you want for whatever a fuck reason you want but it's when you make an assessment of like something that is clearly what a guy is just practicing for the first time in 10 months he's just going on stage and fucking around and you're trying to pretend that this is his material that's ready for judgment it's not ready for judgment he's fucking around yeah he's trying to create well it's just clickbait though that that's the story to propagate it well it's also like you're signaling to the crowd that you're on the right side and that you're not like him and what he did was bad and I get that too I get the need to express your disgust I get that but if you're an actual comic and we're talking about stand -up comedy like to attack that set was like okay come on let me see you not do comedy for 10 months and see what you have to say yeah probably terrible too and if you're a guy who's always pushed the buttons and been rewarded for it because that's what louis's been yeah always push buttons always been rewarded you go back over his stuff like post cancellation and go back and watch some of his bits you're like oh my god imagine if he released this now but this was the stuff he was applauded for yeah yeah comedies like that though just the we progress as a society yeah and like the bits I did three or four years ago I'm I wouldn't do today maybe because I've grown as a person and society has evolved and I'm a different person but people will hold the standards of today to yesteryear and that's like like not entirely fair.

[2411] Well, it's definitely not fair if you want to go way back, right?

[2412] I mean, you can go back to like the 1960s and 1970s.

[2413] It'll keep getting trudged up like that Steve Martin, King Tut was making the rounds on the internet.

[2414] No, it was.

[2415] It was.

[2416] Gen Z was like, this is like, what is he doing?

[2417] This is, you know, appropriation and they're bastardizing.

[2418] So he was getting taken a task for the King Tut on SNL.

[2419] They all need to live in the woods for a year, all of them.

[2420] They need to hunt their own food for a year and toughen the fuck up.

[2421] Did you notice though, like when COVID hit, when everyone, one was scared and no one knew what was going on all of this stuff it wasn't happening for about two weeks because there was bigger fish to fry no but then it accentuated because then people were trapped indoors and all they would do was complain about stuff online and people that are already addicted Twitter now didn't have a job yeah so now they're on Twitter all day and they don't have a job but I found out when we all thought we're going to die no one was getting canceled because we were worried about are we going to make it through this thing yeah sure I mean that was 9 -11 too after 9 -11 everybody was like super cool to each other it's like there's ways of reacting to things that are justifiable and understandable and then there's also you're dealing with a certain amount of mental illness in this country and there's a lot of people that are just filled with anxiety and fear and anger and chaos and they're online taking it from other people and giving it to other people and just feeding the fucking monster all day yeah all day and it's it's terrible for the mental health of a giant percentage of the population including mine that's why I don't fuck with it it's like I've learned that too I kind of I'm at a point now where I create I put it out there I use it as a tool but I don't do a deep dive in the comment or whatever it's like I just well it's a statistics game no one is going everyone isn't going to like you that's just a nature of putting yourself out there and being an artist you're not going to have unanimous fans across the board and part of being an artist is you're you are going to have that 50 -50 if you're if you're doing your thing you know oh for sure you're you're always going to have that but if you concentrate on the negative you really will think you're a piece of shit even if like a giant percentage of people love you it's just not worth it and I already have that in me I don't need somebody else I'm my own like I'm my own troll I don't need you to that's also why you're really good it's because you judge all your stuff very harshly and you really tighten it and you know polish it up that's a big part of it man a big part of it is how you approach the thing you know you got to approach the thing with some honesty you can't approach the thing and pretend it's better than it is yeah just because it makes you feel good that you've done something the worst thing is when you're talking to someone and they want you to believe that something they've done is really good and then when you have to watch it you got to go it's a bummer yeah you know you have to be that guy to yourself first before anybody gets a look at it yeah And then the audience has to decide.

[2422] I feel like I'm in a quantum state just for as long as I've been doing stand -up.

[2423] It's like, I think I'm great and I think I'm the worst.

[2424] I'm both those things.

[2425] Perfect.

[2426] Yes.

[2427] And it flip -flops.

[2428] But it's been beneficial for me. I kind of like having that.

[2429] You're in a comedy superposition.

[2430] Yeah.

[2431] Yeah.

[2432] You're in motion and still at the same time.

[2433] That's what it is.

[2434] Because you don't believe one or the other entirely.

[2435] Well, tell everybody the name one more time.

[2436] It's Hat Trick.

[2437] Yeah.

[2438] It's on YouTube.

[2439] right now.

[2440] It's on my YouTube channel.

[2441] Is the YouTube channel just Fahim Anwar?

[2442] Yeah, that's it.

[2443] And that's who you are on all the social media.

[2444] Yeah, Twitter.

[2445] What are you most active on?

[2446] Probably Instagram.

[2447] And I'm trying to get the YouTube going.

[2448] This special is kind of planting my flag and like this is this is a nice 47 minute representation of who I am, what I do.

[2449] Because people would hear that I'm funny on podcast and stuff, but I never really had a tent pole thing to kind of point people to.

[2450] And this is kind of nice to be like, this this is what I do.

[2451] This is who I am.

[2452] That's dope, man. That's dope.

[2453] I'm really happy for you and you're really funny guy.

[2454] I know I always thought you've got a lot from me. I mean, I really appreciate it.

[2455] My pleasure, brother.

[2456] My pleasure.

[2457] It's cool to see you blow up.

[2458] Thanks, man. All right.

[2459] That's it.

[2460] Bye, everybody.

[2461] Thank you.