213 - Live at the Northrop Auditorium in Minneapolis (2019)

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Is it on?

[2] Maybe.

[3] That's how you do it.

[4] We brought a friend.

[5] A best friend.

[6] Did you hear about our new producer that replaced Stephen?

[7] It's kind of a big get.

[8] Kind of a huge get in Hollywood.

[9] Yeah, he took a little bit of a numbers break.

[10] He took a bit of a pay cut.

[11] Uh -huh.

[12] Here, listen to this note.

[13] This is waiting for us backstage.

[14] stage.

[15] Karen and Georgia, society wants to believe it can identify evil people or bad or harmful people, but it's not practical.

[16] There are no stereotypes.

[17] We serial killers are your sons.

[18] We are your husbands.

[19] We are everywhere.

[20] I don't feel guilty for anything.

[21] I feel sorry for people who feel guilt.

[22] Now go getcha, get your head in the game.

[23] You got to get to getcha, get head in the game Zach Ephron as Ted Bundy Pretty amazing But wait Here's the real note Hope you enjoy your new backstage guest Don't help him with a boat if he asks Can't wait for your show Minneapolis murderinos Adriana and Courtney Well done Ladies, let's get this guy out of here You feel upstage by Zach Ephron Don't you?

[24] He didn't want to bring him out His beauty No I did just threw me right under the V -D -W fuck.

[25] Just like you threw him under the fucking...

[26] Was that rude?

[27] No, not at all.

[28] We do what we want.

[29] Hi, everybody.

[30] We want to tell you about when you guys stood up, it made me think of the one girl in the front row who didn't realize last night that everyone else had sat down.

[31] And it was so sweet in earnest.

[32] And alone.

[33] It was the funniest, because for one second, we were kind of like this and starting to talk and for one second I thought she was going to be like excuse me and I was like oh shit here we go at the fucking customer service at the top of the show but then I saw her hands go like this she was like a little raccoon like bring it on whatever you have to say and then I'm like oh she has no idea the standing ovation is over oh we've all been there then she looked behind her and sat down immediately and then we called her shit out hard.

[34] Poor thing.

[35] It's the best.

[36] Poor thing.

[37] It's really the ultimate compliment.

[38] Just an extended standing ovation that doesn't end.

[39] It doesn't end even though nothing's happening.

[40] How's it going?

[41] How are you?

[42] Real good, yourself.

[43] Good, thanks.

[44] Thanks for having us back here.

[45] We're really excited.

[46] Awesome.

[47] This is our fucking, this is the last city of our five -month tour.

[48] God bless you.

[49] Thank you.

[50] This is exciting.

[51] you all.

[52] We appreciate you letting us finally stop.

[53] Our agent will not.

[54] It's really, no. It's the best we love it.

[55] It's been two seasons of the year.

[56] Five full months, the winter spring tour.

[57] Just call it the half -yearly sale.

[58] And I wanted to show you, so as you guys know, maybe, or you don't, after the show, we go back to our hotel rooms, usually with food and chicken strips.

[59] And we both turn on forensic files.

[60] It is always on.

[61] Thank you, HLN.

[62] Thank you HLN.

[63] It's so comforting.

[64] And lately, like this weekend, basically, I've been noticing new episodes that I've never seen before, which is so, because I think they had like 20 episodes, you'd be like, I know this one, his hand is this, and whatever.

[65] Or Vince, even Vince will be like, I've seen this one.

[66] I'm like, I love you.

[67] So now there's a couple new ones, which means more great hairstyles to laugh about.

[68] And people who are just, what's happening with them?

[69] The thing is that the early 90s didn't seem that weird when they were happening.

[70] But they don't hold up.

[71] Uh -uh.

[72] But do you wonder, like, I always think, well, now we look normal.

[73] But then I look at the early 2000s, and I'm like, what the fuck was I wearing?

[74] For real.

[75] I had piercings in the face, and, like, I just don't know.

[76] It's not good.

[77] My mom, I used to come down the stairs, my mom would go, you're not wearing that to the dentist.

[78] I just feel like, what's wrong?

[79] with you.

[80] You look like a hobo.

[81] And then I see pictures from then.

[82] I look exactly like a hobo.

[83] Like huge jeans with rips like all the way.

[84] Like no middle gene, just top and bottom.

[85] Should that like if you walk in the dentist, the dentist would be like, what's going on in her mouth?

[86] Oh, this isn't going to be fun.

[87] Okay.

[88] Did you get some good forensic files?

[89] I have two good friends I want to introduce you to.

[90] And remember, we don't, we can't pause this.

[91] So this is like, take the photo as quick as you can.

[92] Vince, Vince, here he comes.

[93] Put him on.

[94] That's one.

[95] And Vince goes, he should be investigating where his sideburns went.

[96] It was a different time.

[97] But you know those, you're like, I'm going to be on TV tomorrow for the first time.

[98] I'm so excited.

[99] This fucking happened to me. I'm going to go get a haircut.

[100] Oh, and then you get this.

[101] This is what happens.

[102] Okay.

[103] My bangs were shorter than that the first time.

[104] And I, oh, I left the salon.

[105] crying, truly.

[106] Oh, you didn't do it to yourself?

[107] No, I went to, like, a salon, and I was like, I'm going to treat myself.

[108] It's the first time you're on TV, like, let it be a big deal.

[109] Paid $100 fucking dollars for him to make me look like, yeah, everyone's like $100.

[110] I know.

[111] I would have done that for you in the 90s on white wine and a touch of speed, and I would have got him right up there.

[112] I mean, I'd still do it for you, minus the speed, just the white wine.

[113] Just a touch of wine?

[114] When I have a glass of white wine, I'm not.

[115] the best hairdresser.

[116] Show us proof.

[117] Well, I guess the only proof I have, which is the opposite of proof, is that a guy almost broke up with me when I cut his hair once.

[118] I was like, I know what I'm doing.

[119] I went to three months of beauty school.

[120] I could totally do this.

[121] And then he was like, um, I don't.

[122] Okay.

[123] This is working out.

[124] And then there's...

[125] Oh, I...

[126] Okay.

[127] I saw this guy last night.

[128] Did you?

[129] Yes.

[130] I watched this one.

[131] Because he did a really moving speech.

[132] He was great.

[133] He's smart and great.

[134] How do you trust a guy?

[135] Who's wearing Peter Tork's wig?

[136] He did a really great speech about how we shouldn't judge people on their strange behavior.

[137] And I was like, should we judge them on their weird bobs that make no sense?

[138] Clearly you're putting a little bit of like hydrogen peroxide in so you get the sun highlights, the sun in highlights?

[139] Sun in, for sure.

[140] And that's who's going to be representing us one day.

[141] at our trial if we're lucky if we're lucky good oh speaking of this is my favorite murder the podcast I'm Erin Kilgara This is Georgia Hartstock Thank you Thank you best friends Best friends We appreciate it Steven's not here No he never comes Yeah the next tour will just be him You're right That's a good idea Right Yeah He's gonna have to wear He's gonna be half me, half Karen, and we're not going to pay him extra for it.

[142] He's going to lip sync.

[143] He's going to lip sync it.

[144] Yeah, we'll record it beforehand.

[145] Oh, we had.

[146] They did, uh, oh, last night in Milwaukee at a bar called Dix.

[147] There was a drag show where they were dressed up like us.

[148] We're done.

[149] We're done.

[150] We've made it.

[151] The end.

[152] Honored.

[153] We don't have to do anything else.

[154] Once drag queens are doing you, you're fucking done.

[155] That's, yeah.

[156] That's what my grandma always said.

[157] made it grant she knew she knew the levels the last level that you need to hit how's your dress holding up it's okay thanks so much uh it doesn't have pockets it's slightly disappointing well the drunk screaming girl the first night pointed it out to us yeah very well yeah yeah we have we have a we have a ton of drunk screaming girls in our audience isn't proud of it thank you I love it.

[158] Yes.

[159] We get it.

[160] Be proud.

[161] She screamed.

[162] She's in the front row.

[163] Screams, but then points to herself.

[164] If you miss the yelling, I'm here.

[165] No, that was for me, the girl in the silver tank top.

[166] Yeah, I mean, yeah, if they sell canned wine here, if I can have one.

[167] Fuck have seven, I would have.

[168] Silence.

[169] Should we sit down?

[170] Yeah, I guess so.

[171] Oh.

[172] Ooh.

[173] Look at these petite.

[174] Little chairs.

[175] Are these with Century Modern?

[176] These are quite something.

[177] What is this, Nogahide?

[178] Ooh.

[179] Yes.

[180] Honestly, I would put these in my apartment.

[181] Hell yes.

[182] These are nice.

[183] And then we got a little twist on the thing.

[184] Yeah, this is a fucking high -class situation.

[185] We're in tonight.

[186] We got whatever this is.

[187] I don't know.

[188] Was that for Mike?

[189] This is for, if you're stressing out during your story.

[190] Which I am.

[191] Do you want to tell them about this podcast?

[192] Aren't we all?

[193] Oh yeah, the speech.

[194] It's time for the speech.

[195] You have two more, you have tonight and tomorrow night to perfect it.

[196] So like, fucking feel it from your heart and your soul.

[197] Can I get a follow spot, please?

[198] I'm just going to walk around the stage a little bit.

[199] The lighting guy's like, does you really want one?

[200] No, no, no. That's just some theater comedy to make.

[201] you hate me. So this is a true crime comedy podcast, and, um, yes, and, uh, people like it.

[202] But, um, but oftentimes at these live shows, you murdery knows buy tickets and then you bring people who don't listen, don't like it, don't care, and don't want to be here.

[203] Which is, you get to live your life any way you want, uh, but I would suggest to redirect on that area, but I don't know your stories to do whatever the fuck you want anyway.

[204] I just saw one girl hug her friend sweetly.

[205] I'm sorry.

[206] I made you.

[207] And then that person has to go to some kind of weird crafting thing later.

[208] It's a trade -off.

[209] We get it.

[210] That's how relationships are supposed to work.

[211] So to those people who don't listen and don't get it, sometimes, you know, when you hear the phrase true crime comedy podcast, you know, a lot of times people are like that's wrong or those two things don't go together.

[212] So we just like to really quickly say at the top of the show, George and I have been obsessive true crime since we were very young, but we also simultaneously have dealt with all the horrors of our lives through humor.

[213] And so it was only natural when we started this podcast and started talking to each other about the worst things that can happen to people in the world that we would then let off the steam of the horror of that by making jokes.

[214] So we reserve the right to do that as individual people.

[215] And if you don't like it, you can get the fuck out.

[216] Right.

[217] That was a good one.

[218] How was that one?

[219] That one was great.

[220] And really fun fact, not far from this theater right now, Cher just gave that exact same story.

[221] Is that wild?

[222] Do you believe in getting the fuck out?

[223] Can we get drunk Cher, drunk Karen Cher?

[224] No, you don't know, Cher.

[225] Share, hold on.

[226] Listen, hold on, it's biggest, seriously, Cher.

[227] That was amazing.

[228] It's just that.

[229] It's just that for a whole.

[230] There's no resolution to the drunk Karen bits.

[231] You just keep staring going, why?

[232] Why is this happening?

[233] And then a morning you're like, did I do karaoke with the Cher?

[234] God, what happened last night?

[235] Did I meet Cher?

[236] No. You didn't.

[237] I don't care.

[238] We love sober, Karen.

[239] More.

[240] Yeah, you don't know drunk Karen.

[241] That's the truth.

[242] She would steal your purse.

[243] She would fucking.

[244] She would steal your purse, kick you in the shin, and then accuse you of betraying her somehow.

[245] That's pretty much the pattern.

[246] Oh, that's fun.

[247] Isn't it fun?

[248] It's fun.

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[250] Absolutely.

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[270] Goodbye.

[271] I'm first tonight.

[272] You are.

[273] Got it.

[274] Thank you.

[275] I know I'm first.

[276] Because on our way, on the plane over here, I thought, oh, fuck, I'm last tomorrow night.

[277] And I had a mini panic attack of being the last one of our five fucking month tour.

[278] That's right.

[279] You better have sparklers.

[280] You better have, you better have a fucking U .S. Navy boat with share on the front of it.

[281] I'm going to have the real Zach Efron.

[282] Yes.

[283] Could you imagine?

[284] No. I can't.

[285] No. No, I don't want to.

[286] No. I know, I know.

[287] Okay.

[288] I'm doing the murder of Lewis Arbogast.

[289] Thank you.

[290] Thank you.

[291] Even if you don't know or care, thank you.

[292] That's how it's done.

[293] Okay.

[294] Here we are in 1909.

[295] Lewis Arbigast, he runs a, he's a German immigrant, this big old jovial dude.

[296] He runs a butcher shop in one of St. Paul's Seven Corners, West Seventh Street.

[297] Look it up.

[298] I love, I love like five of those corners.

[299] I'm not going to say.

[300] I won't tell you which one.

[301] Yeah, let's not turn them against us.

[302] No. Just yet.

[303] Not yet.

[304] We just started.

[305] So he's a German immigrant and he has a good business sense and he's a really skilled butcher.

[306] So he's able to build this really successful business and provide welfare.

[307] His wife, Mina, and their five daughters with a really comfortable life.

[308] His worth at the time is rumored to be around 200 ,000.

[309] thousand dollars at the time at the time right now is a lot of fucking that's a hundred dollar haircuts every week right fuck my bangs up again i don't care i'm rich which in today's money is should i guess sure um wait so 200 000 dollars back then i remember there was a dip in the market and then they went back up okay but then it comes it does come back up yeah yeah it always does yeah you know bearable the trend the bearable trend i just said it because you said it I just said it because I listened to financial podcasts.

[310] That's what they say.

[311] $200 ,000 back then.

[312] Oh, one.

[313] Oh, nine.

[314] 09.

[315] As if she's going to...

[316] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[317] That's going to be $4 million.

[318] Fuck.

[319] Close.

[320] $5 .6 million.

[321] Good job.

[322] You were in the ballpark.

[323] I'm getting good at this.

[324] I feel like in the beginning they were like, $300 more dollars.

[325] Like, we just couldn't even...

[326] And now it's my passion.

[327] It's right.

[328] Now it's your new podcast.

[329] It's about today's money.

[330] It's called...

[331] And all I do is read lists of how much money.

[332] Yeah.

[333] You send me the year.

[334] And the amount.

[335] And the amount.

[336] Yeah, I can't do the amount.

[337] And every time it's, you guys won't believe this.

[338] Oh my God.

[339] Holy shit.

[340] In 1568.

[341] Oh, my God.

[342] They didn't have money.

[343] Faith.

[344] What'd you say?

[345] Leaves.

[346] Leaves.

[347] That's silly.

[348] Um, it was coffee.

[349] Everyone knows it.

[350] Yeah.

[351] Um, okay, so four of the, of Lewis and Mina's, uh, daughters live with them in their beautiful two -story house.

[352] That's only five -minute walk from the butcher shop.

[353] Um, let me show you them real quick.

[354] That's the, the, the handsome couple.

[355] That's what it, that's what it was like to be rich back then.

[356] Yeah.

[357] It's different now.

[358] These are the real housewise of yesteryear.

[359] When you're rich, you just don't even.

[360] even fit in your photograph.

[361] No. Kind of a thing.

[362] She's like, I'll have another side of bacon.

[363] Go fuck yourself.

[364] Yeah.

[365] So that's them, and then this is their house, which clearly is Gordon.

[366] What?

[367] I don't know.

[368] It was, I was running late.

[369] I promise it's beautiful.

[370] Except for the boarded up part.

[371] Where?

[372] Is that modern art?

[373] I don't know what that is.

[374] Did this house?

[375] burn down while they live there.

[376] No. Ooh.

[377] Psychic.

[378] I've done it again.

[379] That might be an ad for cleaning solvent.

[380] I don't know.

[381] Oh, okay.

[382] That's their gorgeous house.

[383] Okay.

[384] You know, I'm sure it costs $900 ,000 today.

[385] Inflation.

[386] Okay.

[387] So, they have the five daughters.

[388] The youngest is 16 named Flora.

[389] Her nickname is Babe, which sounds insulting.

[390] That's...

[391] You like it?

[392] Because of the pig?

[393] Probably.

[394] Yeah.

[395] Then there's Minnie, who's 18.

[396] Ida is 22, and the eldest is the beautiful black -haired Louise.

[397] She's 23.

[398] And then there's another daughter who's 19 -year -old Emma.

[399] She lives with her husband, too young.

[400] Back then, she was an old spinster.

[401] She's like, thank fucking God someone came by.

[402] I'm almost 20.

[403] They live down the street on South Exchange Street just a block away.

[404] So, on the surface, of course, as all families do, this family looks.

[405] normal and perfect.

[406] There you go.

[407] But they're not.

[408] The daughters are all these beautiful vivacious social blooderflies.

[409] Blooderfly.

[410] Murder.

[411] That's foreshadowing.

[412] They're known for their confidence and independence and all that good shit.

[413] So, early morning hours on May 13th, Wait, that's your, not your birthday.

[414] Two days after.

[415] 1909, a 16 -year -old newsboy whose name is Abrahamson, probably his last name, he hears screams as he walks by the Arbogas house at 4 a .m. on his newspaper route.

[416] And he sees two of the daughters, Ida and Minnie, on the front porch in their nightgowns, crying out, my poor Papa, won't someone help, my poor Papa?

[417] And they're just screaming.

[418] at 4 a .m. So he, the newspaper boy, runs into the house like a hero, and he, he runs in, and he finds Luis and Flora to the other daughters, weeping and wailing and grief in the hall.

[419] He runs up to the second floor, passes Mrs. Arbogast, who's coming down the stairs.

[420] And when he gets to the second floor, he follows the smell of gasoline fumes and smoke to the main bedroom.

[421] And there he finds Lewis Arbaghast, the family patriarch lying on the bed.

[422] He's engulfed in flames.

[423] Still burning?

[424] Yeah.

[425] Engulfed.

[426] That means...

[427] Yeah, it is.

[428] You're right.

[429] It's going to be like that tonight.

[430] I'm sweating.

[431] But sorry.

[432] Okay.

[433] Go ahead.

[434] But no one's downstairs yelling fucking fire, fire, fire.

[435] that's a good point okay that's my confusion help help help help yeah okay okay great um the newsboy grabs a sheet from the floor and tries to smother the flames oh sorry do you know how old the newsboy is so he's 16 he's probably the chief of police yes back then yep how they did it he's been so for 10 years yeah I thought you said he's been sober for 10 years oh I thought you said he's been sober for 10 years also very possible probably not it's 1909 such a tough job on a team so he smothers the flames and then he's joined by the fiancé of Luis the oldest daughter Henry and they put out the fire fucking great then he runs downstairs to the backstairs where he finds a burning roll of fabric and feathers blazing and he puts he fucking tosses out outside and puts the fire out which is like awesome He's doing it.

[436] Yeah, 16 -year -olds.

[437] Like, that's a lot of chutzpah, you know?

[438] Yeah.

[439] There's, but the neighbor's like, where's my paper?

[440] Yeah, I know.

[441] Excuse me?

[442] You're fired.

[443] Do I have to send a telegram to the head office?

[444] Firefighters arrive and head to the second floor where they find Lewis Arbaghast.

[445] He's barely, he's still alive.

[446] No. I know.

[447] Gasping for air.

[448] He's unconscious, lying across the bed naked, and the back of his skull has been bashed in.

[449] and there's blood spatter on the walls and into the sheets beneath him and they load him into an ambulance and he dies on the way of the hospital.

[450] I totally forgot to tell you guys that most of this information I got is from the podcast's Most Notorious.

[451] Oh, okay.

[452] They have a Minnesota, you know, spin -off thing.

[453] That's right.

[454] Great.

[455] So, you can hear all about...

[456] They specialize in stories from Minnesota.

[457] They have a, like a...

[458] You know what I mean?

[459] companion companion piece a secondary podcast like a spin -off a spin -off there you go I think you did say that sorry that's on me that's on me what was it the other day when you were like I have to be your thesaurus all the time or something like that no no you're because it was who's the actor from the thing and any time she says and I'm like I'm gonna get this something rises up in me where I that's like the one way I can prove that I'm a valid human being We're just like We couldn't be more of a perfect fair because I can't remember shit ever But I'm always like The Purple Head with the thing And then you're like It's Tom Hanks Who played Mel on Alice And I'm a thick Tayback It's screaming at the top of my lungs It's a pretty good It's very sad It's well done Okay No it's good No it's so good Okay Stop it Um Blah blah blah Okay He dies on the way to the hospital And his wife Mina who was presumably in bed during the attack has burns on her body as well.

[460] She's taken to the hospital and police search the house for evidence and they follow a trail of blood footprints, blood footprints from the bed down into the cellar and there they find an axe wrapped in some clothing and loosely hidden in some newspaper.

[461] It's stained with blood and it has a fucked up handle.

[462] It's obviously the murder weapon.

[463] And they also find two empty gasoline cans near the burned bed.

[464] So the family, and the family has a watchdog that guards the fenced -in yard all night, a streetcar watchman, his duties were to make sure there was no obstructions on the tracks.

[465] That sounds like a bummer.

[466] Stop the streetcar, we have a bunch of sheep.

[467] He had been patrolling the area all night, including in front of the house, and saw no one come in, and the dog hadn't freaked the fuck out.

[468] So it's clear that someone inside the house committed this crime.

[469] And all the doors and windows were locked, et cetera.

[470] So Lewis's wife, Mina, claims that she'd been in the bathroom right near the bedroom when her husband was attacked with the axe and set on fire.

[471] And she didn't know what was happening.

[472] She comes out of the fucking bathroom and fire at 4 a .m. No, it sounds unlikely.

[473] Right.

[474] But have you ever gotten into one of those magnetic, magnified mirrors?

[475] Oh.

[476] Yeah.

[477] You just get into it.

[478] I mean, truly, that's half of the time of this tour has been spent for me doing it.

[479] Trying to remove small black hair.

[480] That's right.

[481] From your face.

[482] I somehow still have my eyebrows.

[483] Thank God.

[484] One more day.

[485] We got one more day.

[486] I go back tonight.

[487] Pull like them all out.

[488] That'd be fun.

[489] Okay.

[490] So she says she didn't know what's happening until one of her daughters screamed and ran into the room and pulls Lewis from the blaze.

[491] and that's how she, she said she did that, and that's how she got the burns on her.

[492] But she's dressed in a fresh, clean nightgown that doesn't show any signs of fire at all.

[493] So that's weird, number one.

[494] And then they go in the bathroom and find bloodstained women's nightgown and undergarments in the bathtub like someone was trying to clean them.

[495] Is that weird number two?

[496] That's weird number two.

[497] Okay.

[498] The youngest daughter tells them a totally different story.

[499] She says that she woke up in her bedroom that she shares with Luis, and when her mother started screaming, she ran into her parents' bedroom, saw the bed on fire, and her father's head fucking bashed in, and her mom was not lying next to him when that happened.

[500] And so she pulled her mom out, but then she couldn't get her dad and the rest of the sisters woke up, screamed outside, paper boy, etc. So, want to see the bed?

[501] Yes.

[502] You have to.

[503] Okay.

[504] That's it.

[505] Oh.

[506] Well, it definitely fits inside that house.

[507] house.

[508] But then if you notice the pillow, so that's his pillow, obviously.

[509] The one next to it has blood spatters on it where she said she was laying.

[510] Oh, that's that.

[511] You know what I'm saying?

[512] Yeah.

[513] Like they wouldn't be on there if she was laying there.

[514] Ooh, mystery.

[515] Also, the wallpaper looks like it's a blood sputter pattern.

[516] That's true.

[517] That's true.

[518] It's been hard to investigate this one.

[519] Can we get this colorized?

[520] Yes.

[521] So, of course, reporters show.

[522] up because this is a fucking fun scandal for them.

[523] And they're basically podcasters.

[524] Right.

[525] But back then.

[526] And the Abigas family just like shuts themselves off and their staff and they're like, we're not talking to anyone.

[527] And then they, the reporters see in the background, background of the house, a stable boy shredding the murder mattress.

[528] Backyard.

[529] Thank you.

[530] Yeah.

[531] So he is, a stable boy is getting rid of evidence, essentially.

[532] Yeah, but the police had left.

[533] It wasn't like he was doing it without, you know, what it wasn't supposed to.

[534] So they, they, the police clear Luis's fiancé and Emma's husband, because they weren't in the house at the time, and they don't know anything and they refused to speculate.

[535] Later that day, Lewis's brother visits the house and he's interviewed by reporters.

[536] He says he doesn't say much, but he tells them he only speaks to his brother on his way to work by just giving him a wave.

[537] And when they're like, why?

[538] And they're like, he doesn't want to get mixed up in anything.

[539] but he knows the murder couldn't have been committed by anyone outside the house.

[540] So he's like, let me just tell you guys this shit right.

[541] Not cool.

[542] So there's rumors that start circulating that there's some crazy secrets going on within that seemingly perfect house.

[543] And it might have led to jealousy or revenge as a motive to the death.

[544] And they rule out robbery.

[545] And then John O 'Connor, who's St. Paul's most famous police chief.

[546] You guys know and love him.

[547] He was one of the greats.

[548] Yeah.

[549] I insist that he's your best friend.

[550] He was 15, and he painted fences for a living.

[551] So he says the murder looks like the work of an insane person, and there's a theory that it was attempted double homicide since Mina was also in bed, but she hadn't been hit in the head, so it wasn't.

[552] Maybe not that.

[553] Well, and also she said she was in the bathroom.

[554] Yeah.

[555] Yeah.

[556] But she has burns all over her body.

[557] Who knows?

[558] Okay.

[559] The coroner who examines Lewis's skull guesses that the person who wielded the X was probably not very strong.

[560] And when they hit him, it just didn't do much.

[561] So they had him a couple times.

[562] And then the person doused the bed and gasoline and set it on fire.

[563] So two days after the murder, Luis, the daughter, checks herself into St. Luke's Hospital for a rest, cure.

[564] What's that?

[565] Cocaine?

[566] No. That's usually what they did back then, though.

[567] Yeah.

[568] Well, maybe I'm not, you know, and I'm not going to say no, but, you know, the vapors or whatever.

[569] Oh, right.

[570] Morphine.

[571] Just a ton, a huge glass of morphine every night.

[572] So you can rest.

[573] Yeah.

[574] So reporters are like, ooh, what's this all about?

[575] She had a nervous breakdown, and they start digging into her background, the daughter.

[576] She's been known in the past to visit fortune tellers all over fucking town.

[577] She's like, obsessed with them, and it spends large amounts of money to help, um, they help her make life decisions.

[578] And, um, another paper reports that she'd spent the Christmas of 1908, recuperating from one of her bouts in a sanatorium.

[579] So, an alienist, which we all know, it means a fucking psychiatrist today, because we're so smart.

[580] Uh, his name is Dr. Anthony Sweeney.

[581] He had examined her when she was staying at St. Luke's two months earlier, and he tells the papers, because there's no such thing as patient confidentiality back then.

[582] Nope.

[583] That's relatively new.

[584] Tell them everything, and it still is not in practice.

[585] Okay.

[586] He tells her that, he tells the papers that she had been hopelessly insane and at the time of her release.

[587] It's a strong statement.

[588] It's kind of a dick move.

[589] If you're a psychiatrist or just hopeless.

[590] Yeah.

[591] All you were saying is I can't do anything.

[592] Oh man. Yeah.

[593] I can't, which means no one can't.

[594] Exactly.

[595] Um, and she, and that she hadn't been cured when she was released.

[596] And the family doctor, who's a woman, which is nice, says that, um, they're, that her, it's her long -time patient and there's no doubt of Luis as a victim of advanced melancholia with strong suicidal tendencies.

[597] Which means she loves smashing pumpkins.

[598] Sorry.

[599] No, that's not good comedy.

[600] No, it's true.

[601] It's not good comedy.

[602] Yeah.

[603] It wasn't.

[604] It's cheap.

[605] Doctors had told her father that unless she was committed once more, there was a good chance she would kill herself or a family member.

[606] Oh.

[607] That's like way before the family member died.

[608] Right.

[609] Meanwhile, Mina, Arbigas, the wife, she's still in the hospital because of her burns.

[610] She tells the police that Luis had been having hallucinations for months and had recently returned from the hospital.

[611] And Luis believed that someone was trying to hurt her and was constantly watching out for an attack.

[612] so she was a little paranoid.

[613] And her father, though, had insisted that she be released early from the hospital.

[614] Despite warnings, doctors had warned him that Louise had been, would behave violently, possibly towards him.

[615] But he insisted, Lewis had insisted she come home.

[616] She was his favorite daughter.

[617] She had a strong head for numbers.

[618] Don't know what that means.

[619] Maybe she can guess future amounts of money.

[620] Ooh.

[621] She's like, watch.

[622] Watch one, two, three, four, five, six, seven.

[623] Watch me. Don't you love that, dad?

[624] And she spent every day with him at the butcher shop acting as the cashier.

[625] I think she was like kind of the bookkeeper.

[626] But so, let's see.

[627] So his funerals held at Christchurch on Sunday, May 16th.

[628] Luis is allowed to leave the hospital and attend with the rest of her sisters.

[629] And there's hundreds of curious townspeople.

[630] That's you guys.

[631] Your ancestors.

[632] Your ancestors, we're looky -lose.

[633] They gather outside the house and they watch the sisters like celebrities as they step into carriages to go to the funeral.

[634] And they also notice that at the funeral, Luis refuses to look at the body of her father as he lay in the casket.

[635] So she becomes the prime suspect.

[636] So, but then on the day after the funeral, Mina breaks, and she's in the hospital, she breaks in an interrogation by the police.

[637] and confesses to what she says happened the morning of Lewis's murder.

[638] She says that when she came out of the bathroom, she found Luis, the daughter, wild -eyed and staring at her father as he lay in the bed, the flaming bed, and the bloody axe was at the ground on her feet.

[639] So she, like, saw her.

[640] Yeah, she's like, my fucking daughter did it when I saw it.

[641] So Mina said she screamed and ran into the room and tried to put the fire out, and that's why she has the burns, and then, you know, it went crazy.

[642] And then they started to get rid of the evidence to protect Luis, is what she says.

[643] So they take Luis from her hospital to her mother's hospital.

[644] Hi.

[645] They're like, hey, how are you?

[646] And then they're hoping that Louise will confess by seeing her mother.

[647] And when Luis sits by her mother's bed with police witnessing, she denies everything.

[648] And Luis gets angry.

[649] No, no, no. Mina gets angry and yells out.

[650] It's you or me, tell the truth.

[651] You are outside father's door when I came.

[652] from the bathroom, you must tell the truth, tell the truth.

[653] But here's the thing.

[654] They spoke German, too.

[655] So they might have been like, don't say anything.

[656] Tell the truth.

[657] This is German.

[658] Don't say anything.

[659] Tell the truth.

[660] Nine, nine, nine, tell the truth, please.

[661] Right.

[662] Right.

[663] Yeah.

[664] So, like, we don't know.

[665] Okay.

[666] Akhtung.

[667] Is the two I have.

[668] So let's say, let's see here.

[669] Luis denies knowing anything, she stares straight ahead blankly, sure was cool.

[670] But she's the perfect scapegoat if it's not her.

[671] She's the perfect scapegoat.

[672] Right.

[673] And she stays silent.

[674] They both break into sobs and they hold each other and cry.

[675] It's very lovely.

[676] Mina later tells her attorney that she thinks Louise is the one who did it, but she didn't see her do it, so she's not sure.

[677] So the police chief, O 'Connor, your best friend, believes that Luis is the only possible perpetrator and they're confident enough in their findings is that they arrest the daughter, Luis, almost immediately after her encounter with her mom.

[678] She faints when the judge recounts the details of her father's death.

[679] The judge, she's like, he's like, you can have an attorney, and she's like, God will be my attorney.

[680] Uh -uh.

[681] I did not harm my father.

[682] Truly, I did not harm my father.

[683] Can you imagine God's attorney briefcase?

[684] It would just be, like, huge and filled with clouds.

[685] Yeah.

[686] There's like a whole fish in it.

[687] I don't know.

[688] He's like, it's not.

[689] just one fish.

[690] Anyway, I'll show you later.

[691] Thank you.

[692] First, let's do this court case.

[693] I'm not guilty, Your Honor.

[694] Um, so the judge was like, honey, let us help you and was like, you can't enter a plea until you consult with an attorney.

[695] Her attorney ends up being one of the most famous attorneys in Minnesota history, William D. Mitchell, who you guys love.

[696] Um, that's right.

[697] He would eventually serve as the attorney general from 1929 to 1933.

[698] So, which you guys love.

[699] hometown pride, et cetera.

[700] So he enters a plea of not guilty for her.

[701] And everyone believes Luis would have to be, have been crazy to have killed her father.

[702] And so she becomes a sympathetic character in the media.

[703] Like all the townspeople and everything are like, oh, fuck, that sucks.

[704] It's like her dad had been warned that she shouldn't get out of the mental institution.

[705] And they were saying, like, he basically killed himself by letting her out early when he was warned.

[706] That's a bit harsh.

[707] Yeah.

[708] It is.

[709] So, okay.

[710] But then, when the doctors, like, study her and her mental health, they find her level -headed, quick -witted, and very normal.

[711] And neighbors and friends are like, she's one of the smartest people in the family.

[712] She's not fucking crazy.

[713] She just likes to stare sometimes.

[714] She likes to stare when her mom is accusing her of murdering her dad.

[715] She's like, oh, my God, my mom is accusing me of murdering her.

[716] dad.

[717] Yeah.

[718] I mean, what would you say?

[719] I'd go all wild -eyed.

[720] Yeah.

[721] Yeah.

[722] I'd be like, fuck you.

[723] Janet.

[724] You don't know me. Janet.

[725] Can I tell you guys really quickly on this trip, I've been reading a book that was given to me by a listener at the first show that's called Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents.

[726] I almost started crying.

[727] Whenever you guys are I feel like I know you.

[728] You know us.

[729] You do.

[730] It's truly.

[731] You do.

[732] And I was reading it and just laughing out laughs.

[733] Like, uh -huh.

[734] Yeah.

[735] No, that's exactly what happened.

[736] What I loved is the woman gave Georgia the book and she's just like, you know, like, I don't want to say anything, but I loved this book.

[737] It helped me and I've listened to the stories you've told and you might find this interesting or whatever.

[738] And then they walk away, Georgia turns me and goes, can I have this?

[739] I was like, yeah, you sure can.

[740] It's for you.

[741] It was written with you and me. You're like, no, that's mine.

[742] I don't want to be greedy, but your parents sounded mature.

[743] They're pretty mature.

[744] Yeah.

[745] You know, in a good way.

[746] Their flaws are in other books.

[747] Yeah, exactly.

[748] It's just not that one.

[749] So many books.

[750] Adult children of parents who wouldn't stop yelling, even though there was no reason to yell.

[751] Just fucking volume, volume, volume.

[752] Volume.

[753] Hey, turn the light off.

[754] It's like, I'm right here.

[755] I'm literally feet away from you.

[756] That's what the, what's it called?

[757] The subtitle or the working title?

[758] I didn't get that one because it wasn't an actor.

[759] Okay.

[760] Go ahead.

[761] Okay, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[762] Where was I?

[763] Committed the crime.

[764] Okay.

[765] She's level -headed.

[766] She's cool.

[767] She's funny.

[768] Brightest one in the family.

[769] So the grand jury meets.

[770] And they're like, you know what we really don't want to do is indict this daughter for murder if she's got mental illness issues and also like, you know, all this stuff, they don't want to do that.

[771] It would look bad.

[772] And she's cool.

[773] And she's cool, you know.

[774] But they end up having enough evidence to bring two indictments for homicide.

[775] One is for Luis and the other is for the mother, Mina.

[776] And they're like, we think you guys are going to crack on each other and we'll get the real story.

[777] But police no longer believe that Luis committed the crime, but she was an indirect cause of it.

[778] And they thought Mina, the wife, had done it in a state of rage when she discovered conditions in the household.

[779] Ooh.

[780] Okay.

[781] Here's what we have.

[782] Okay.

[783] Ready?

[784] I'm ready.

[785] She had a strong head for numbers and stuff and was working beep -boop on the calculator?

[786] Yep.

[787] It was an abacus.

[788] Abacus?

[789] It's 1909.

[790] Thank you.

[791] You're welcome.

[792] That's what I meant.

[793] Um, and there were, okay, and so of course it's 1909, so there's just a lot of innuendo.

[794] No one will outright say anything.

[795] Conditions in the house type of stuff.

[796] Conditions in the house.

[797] Right.

[798] There were rumors that the relationship was one of, quote, inseparable companionship between the daughter and the father.

[799] Just fucking say it.

[800] Yeah.

[801] Um, according to newspapers, at home, she had been with him as a comrade in the most intimate sense.

[802] So she's a socialist?

[803] So this, like, obviously shines a totally different light on the whole story.

[804] And it's like, did Mina do it because she found out about that?

[805] Did Luis do it because she couldn't fucking stand it anymore?

[806] And then so the grand...

[807] So Mina's tried first.

[808] Her story about being in the bathroom for five minutes doesn't really hold up because it would have been impossible for Luis to grab the gas can from the basement, the axe, which was out in the woodshed, and do all that shit.

[809] and then murder her father, light him on fire in the five minutes that Mina said she was in the bathroom.

[810] And then there's conflicting testimonies, and it seems like what happened was all the daughters, the other four daughters, were like, well, we're going to confuse the shit out of you.

[811] We got our fucking sisters and our mom's back.

[812] Fuck you.

[813] So they just kept telling different stories that were weird and didn't make sense totally.

[814] And then they'd also say, like, I don't remember a lot.

[815] So they kind of were just trying to confuse.

[816] And the prosecutors didn't even want to really be prosecuted.

[817] this after they had found out all this information.

[818] Okay, so they had found out the night before the murder, Lewis had had a meeting with a family friend, and Luis had been there as well, and he had been talking about selling the business and moving to Alaska.

[819] So, yeah.

[820] Would that be hard in 1909?

[821] I think.

[822] A little bit difficult.

[823] Yeah.

[824] I mean, it's hard now.

[825] Right.

[826] He's like, I'm not taking the family with me. I'm not taking my wife, the only person who's allowed to come with him.

[827] me is Luis.

[828] His constant companion.

[829] That's right.

[830] Also, oh, they also called it a manifest friendship.

[831] No. You're raping your daughter.

[832] It's all the worst.

[833] Yeah.

[834] No. But even the possible, like we're trying to find a motive and maybe that was the motive for either of the mother or the daughter to kill him.

[835] And so something Mina could have been jealous of Louise's relationship with her father.

[836] it's fucking not a relationship.

[837] And Luis was considered her father's real partner as the head of the house as well.

[838] So like Mina would like need money for household shit and he'd say no, but then he'd give a ton of money whenever Louise asked for money, he'd give her more than she needed.

[839] He put away money for her wedding, which he hadn't done for the other daughters.

[840] But so, and then someone said, a family friend said that Louis, Louis loved Luis more than any man ever loved his daughter.

[841] they said that as a way to like be like there's no way she would have done it and it's like that's the motive that is the way that's exactly the way that's just what happened but since there's no real motive the jury comes back with a verdict of not guilty for the mother and months later when louisa's trial is about to begin prosecutors are like fuck this shit and they dismiss the charges against her the papers the papers accused the police of stupidity and the public is shocked that there's no one that's going to stand trial for this murder and then later the Arbagast women all become partners in the butcher shop.

[842] And they're like, it's like a sitcom.

[843] The Arbagast ladies are like, well, that didn't turn out how we thought it would be.

[844] Let's take this fucking shit and not go to Alaska.

[845] Luis is the bookkeeper.

[846] Yes, she is.

[847] She ends up marrying a man named Asher Webster and moves to Rochester, Michigan.

[848] Sadly, she dies in 1930 at the age of 38 from apoplexy, which at the time meant heart attack or stroke.

[849] Suspicious?

[850] No, it's not.

[851] People were dying all the fucking time back then.

[852] Yeah, it was like a major pastime.

[853] That was baseball.

[854] That in racism.

[855] Okay.

[856] No one has ever tried for the murder of Lewis Arbigast again.

[857] police knew the crime had been committed by someone in the house but they did not have enough evidence for a conviction the murders never solved and it left people guessing if Luis did it because her father was molesting her or if Mina did it because of the same fucking reason or if they did it fucking together maybe all the daughters were in on it I remember there was clothes that had been washed in the bathtub and like it took too much time so maybe it kind of seems from what I when I listen to the most notorious to me it's like maybe Mina walked in on her daughter doing it and then was like, let's finish this up together.

[858] Oh.

[859] Oh, right.

[860] Like, I got your back girl.

[861] I got this.

[862] Okay.

[863] And so, Lewis is buried in the Oakland Cemetery in St. Paul, Minnesota, and that is the murder of Lewis Arbages.

[864] Wow.

[865] It's just so, you know, he doesn't sound like a great person, but you burn to death.

[866] Yeah, you don't want that.

[867] That's pretty rough.

[868] No, you don't want that.

[869] Um, good one.

[870] Thank you.

[871] Yeah.

[872] I'm going to do Harry Hayward, the Minneapolis, Spangali.

[873] Oh.

[874] It's another oldie, actually.

[875] I almost, I was getting into, um, one.

[876] And I was so excited because it's one of my favorites.

[877] I won't be able to remember the name off the top.

[878] And when I...

[879] You're very favorite.

[880] When I say, it's, yeah, it's really the best.

[881] I have no idea how it goes or who's in it.

[882] Um, uh, no, it's the one where the total sociopath daughter kills her mother, and the maid.

[883] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[884] It's so good.

[885] But you did it already.

[886] So I was, like, all in it and, like, pulling pictures and doing all this stuff.

[887] And then Jay's like, you guys did this one?

[888] I'm like, yep.

[889] Yes, of course.

[890] Sorry.

[891] But there's plenty.

[892] There's plenty to go around.

[893] Okay.

[894] So, most of the information, I found this on the website Murder by Gaslight.

[895] And if you guys have not gone on there, it's a great website that's all, like, turn of the century, old -fashioned murders, and real good pictures drawn.

[896] people like knives.

[897] It's just, I highly recommend.

[898] It's really well done.

[899] And the man that writes that website has also done a couple books.

[900] It's really good.

[901] Okay.

[902] So we'll start.

[903] I will tell you about this woman here.

[904] Her name is Catherine Kitty Ging.

[905] Hey girl.

[906] Kitty Ging.

[907] That's the haircut I had.

[908] A hundred dollars.

[909] And I had never spent more than like $40 on a haircut before that and it always turned out fine and then it's been a hunt sorry this is not about me no no you can do it go you got to get it out i one time wrote a song that was all about it was called this is not the haircut i asked for and it's really really slow and sad and it was just all about how ugly do you think i am that you gave me that haircut yeah yeah it was pretty vicious sing it they're saying you don't fucking tell me what to do do.

[910] Who are these people?

[911] Anyway.

[912] Okay.

[913] So this is Kitty Ging and Catherine Kitty, to her friends.

[914] Very tall woman.

[915] She is described as imposing and handsome.

[916] Oh.

[917] Honey, that sucks.

[918] But no, because actually she's very popular with men.

[919] Okay.

[920] Yeah.

[921] That's what they were into back then.

[922] Yeah.

[923] It was a thing.

[924] She has huge hands.

[925] And she'll fucking throw a man over her shoulder and get a time.

[926] Let's do this.

[927] Okay.

[928] She is from New York State.

[929] She moves to Minneapolis in the early 1890s because she has this ex -fiancee named Frederick Reed, and he won't accept that they're not going to get married.

[930] So apparently the deal is Reed is a clerk at the Golden Rule Department store.

[931] Any of those around anymore?

[932] I got to go down to the golden rule and get some spanks for the show he asked Kitty to marry him she accepts then she later calls it off but she doesn't give the ring back she ends up carrying the ring in a little bag around her neck and then so how fucking irritating is that that she's like he won't get over me and where he's like I just want my money back so he's like he keeps following me around I have to move away You won't accept that we've broken up.

[933] He's like, if I could just have the ring, I'll leave you alone.

[934] Did I tell you when I broke off my engagement before I met Vince?

[935] Obviously.

[936] I gave the ring back immediately.

[937] And then he texted me like, you're not going to believe how much money I got back for it.

[938] I don't think I get so much money.

[939] I'm like, I'm not happy for you.

[940] Dude.

[941] High five, motherfucker.

[942] Yeah.

[943] Okay, so in Minneapolis, Kitty gets a job as a dressmaker.

[944] She lives in an apartment building called the Ozark Flood.

[945] Flats.

[946] Do you guys live there?

[947] Who lives there?

[948] I bet you live there.

[949] Whoever lives there gets a life -size poster of Zach Ephron.

[950] That's beautiful.

[951] Isn't it cool?

[952] So, so...

[953] The Ozark Flats is a building owned by a man named William Hayward, who's the patriarch of one of the most prominent and wealthy families in Minneapolis.

[954] So, Kitty starts a relationship with William's son.

[955] Harry Hayward.

[956] So Harry is a hand.

[957] handsome playboy with a reputation for being a gambler and a cad.

[958] Hot.

[959] Right.

[960] So, Harry Hayd War Hayward earns his money, like many of the wealthy elite, through theft, insurance, fraud, and counterfeiting.

[961] But he always gets out of trouble with his wealth and charm.

[962] His charm is so intense that some people even believe he has hypnotic powers.

[963] Maybe that mustache does.

[964] No, that's the haircut.

[965] That's definitely the haircut I have.

[966] There's some fucked -up bang.

[967] It's Stephen.

[968] You know who I think it is?

[969] Oh, wait.

[970] Damn it.

[971] That's what my fucking hair.

[972] I wish I had a photo right now.

[973] Because if we go back, one, wait.

[974] Like you don't notice it at first?

[975] You don't notice?

[976] Who?

[977] The detail work on Harry?

[978] And then you're like, what is it about him that's so hypnotic?

[979] It's those fucking bangs.

[980] Yeah.

[981] But this curl, if you get, it's, you can't see the detail as well, but this girl actually goes up.

[982] So it's like a reverse wave.

[983] It's like if you take a picture of a wave and you flip it.

[984] But sorry, this was, I was going to say he looks like.

[985] Oh.

[986] That's who would play him in the movie of the week.

[987] Yeah.

[988] He's a cat in it.

[989] You don't believe me?

[990] Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha fucking dead on Dead on Great job What happened to the right size of mustache?

[991] Oh it switched No, I don't know actually Oh, you bet I texted Jay and I go How are your Photoshop skills?

[992] I have a funny joke I'd like to do I mean, it's uncanny.

[993] So that's Harry.

[994] Hypnotic.

[995] Hayward.

[996] So they get together.

[997] They're hanging out.

[998] He starts telling people around town that they're engaged, or they might be engaged.

[999] But everyone's like, you're both dating other people.

[1000] So no one really knows what's going on with the two of them, but they do know that Kitty is incredibly charmed by Harry, all of his, you know, magnetism, bullshit, hypnotic powers.

[1001] Right.

[1002] They're working on her like crazy.

[1003] And she is also very interested in his get -rich -quick schemes.

[1004] She wants to live that lavish lifestyle.

[1005] Sure.

[1006] And he often declares that money is his God.

[1007] And so they're a match made in the deepest bowels of hell.

[1008] When I hear of money is his god, God, I think of how dirty money is.

[1009] Literally, it's just, like, covered in feces.

[1010] And, like, that's your God?

[1011] I know.

[1012] Okay, so, so basically, Harry's got these plans.

[1013] He's going to sell stolen jewelry and start trading in counterfeit money.

[1014] And Kitty's like, I am down, whatever you want to do, and whenever you want to do it.

[1015] She also starts loaning him a lot of money because he's a big gambler.

[1016] So she's in it.

[1017] and she's pretending to like all the bands he likes, and she watches sports all the time and pretends that she knows what's happening.

[1018] Oh, honey.

[1019] It's the whole nine.

[1020] Who among us hasn't?

[1021] Truly.

[1022] Pretended to be a totally different person for the love of a bad man. So, yeah, don't judge Kitty.

[1023] Amen.

[1024] Right?

[1025] We get it, Kitty, you handsome woman.

[1026] So, on December 3rd, 1893, Kitty and Harry meet for lunch.

[1027] And over lunch, Harry asks Kitty to help him in what he calls a, quote, green goods scandal.

[1028] Oh, I'm sorry, a green goods deal.

[1029] He doesn't call it a scandal.

[1030] That would be a bad salesmanship.

[1031] A green goods deal, which basically means that he's going to buy counterfeit money and he wants her to do it with him.

[1032] So he gives Kitty $2 ,000, and he tells her to meet up with the janitor at the Ozark Flats apartment complex.

[1033] And his name, the janitor, is Klaus Blixt.

[1034] Yes.

[1035] Yeah.

[1036] Do you know Klaus Blixt?

[1037] Do you want to know who I think would play Klaus Bix?

[1038] Yes, always.

[1039] Of course I do.

[1040] Those are some piercing fucking eyes right there.

[1041] I know.

[1042] I think it would be from the Dullet podcast, Gareth Reynolds.

[1043] Do you know him?

[1044] Oh.

[1045] I see it.

[1046] He can do a German accent.

[1047] I don't know if that guy's German.

[1048] I just...

[1049] It's got to be.

[1050] How could you say the name Klaus Blixen and not do a German accent?

[1051] I love it.

[1052] It's, yeah.

[1053] Okay.

[1054] Okay.

[1055] So the plan is that that night, Kitty and Klaus are going to go to the outskirts of town and wait for Harry, and Harry is going to meet them there with the counterfeiters.

[1056] And then they're going to do the deal.

[1057] Okay, so Kitty hires, she calls up the livery stable, the Guisman livery.

[1058] stable and to get a horse and buggy.

[1059] And she specifically requests, because she uses a livery stable all the time, so she requests Lucy the horse.

[1060] Oh.

[1061] Charming.

[1062] Charming and wonderful.

[1063] It's like horse Uber.

[1064] Right.

[1065] You could do horse pool if you want to save a couple dollars.

[1066] Ugh.

[1067] Okay.

[1068] The idea of getting into a car where you don't know the driver and you also don't know the passengers is my living nightmare.

[1069] And like there's people who do it constantly.

[1070] Isn't it the weirdest?

[1071] Yeah.

[1072] I mean, do you make conversation?

[1073] Yeah.

[1074] I've done it like twice.

[1075] I wouldn't suggest it.

[1076] Pay the extra $2.

[1077] But if you're broke, shit.

[1078] Yeah.

[1079] Okay.

[1080] You're right.

[1081] I'm being elitist.

[1082] I mean, maybe not at night.

[1083] Don't do it at night.

[1084] Don't do it.

[1085] Okay.

[1086] Okay.

[1087] Okay.

[1088] Okay.

[1089] So, uh, At 7 .08 p .m., Lucy and the buggy arrive at the West Hotel.

[1090] I'm sure someone was driving it, but there's no one says lost to history.

[1091] Lucy was the kind of horse.

[1092] You could just be like, just head over to the West Hotel.

[1093] There's going to be a lady named Kitty waiting for you.

[1094] She's like, got it.

[1095] She does a thing with her hoof a couple times.

[1096] That says I'll be back in two hours, and she heads out.

[1097] So when the horse and buggy arrive, Kitty gets in and rides away.

[1098] So two hours later at 9, 10 p .m., Lucy, the horse, returns to the goose mid -levery, but there's no one inside the buggy.

[1099] Mm. Yes, it's empty.

[1100] So Kitty was the one driving it.

[1101] Okay.

[1102] Yeah.

[1103] So soon after, on Excelsior Boulevard in the outskirts of Minneapolis.

[1104] You guys?

[1105] I love that room.

[1106] Oh, is that the best, most historical.

[1107] historical road.

[1108] Sorry, I'm about to lose my mind.

[1109] Okay.

[1110] I can't be doing that at this part.

[1111] Soon after, on Excelsior Boulevard on the outskirts of Minneapolis, Katie Ging is found lying in a pool of blood, and her skull has been crushed.

[1112] Oh, no. So the police assume, when they come to look at it, that Kitty has been in a horse and buggy accident, basically.

[1113] And so immediately the death has ruled an accident.

[1114] Or, you know, assume.

[1115] to be ruled an accident.

[1116] But then they take the body to the morgue and when it's examined, the doctor notices something that they didn't see at the scene that makes him doubt that ruling of accidental death.

[1117] And that is that there is a bullet lodged behind her left eye.

[1118] Jesus.

[1119] That'll do it.

[1120] Yes.

[1121] And then that doctor was like, it is my professional opinion that the horse did not do this.

[1122] I'm a genius.

[1123] Lucy, the horse, is innocent?

[1124] Yeah.

[1125] Can't hold a gun with two hooves.

[1126] It's physically, medically impossible.

[1127] Okay.

[1128] So now it's on.

[1129] It's a murder investigation.

[1130] And the police are trying to confirm that the dead woman is, in fact, kitty gang.

[1131] So they go and question all the residents and workers at the Ozark Flats apartments.

[1132] And almost immediately, here comes Harry Hayward, coming forward and saying that it has to be kitty because he had loaned her.

[1133] $2 ,000 earlier that day, and I swear to God I'd written on here somewhere the modern day equivalent because it was fucking a crazy amount.

[1134] I mean 2018 whatever the fuck?

[1135] Yeah, it's 1890, at this point 1894.

[1136] So maybe it's 200 ,000?

[1137] I think it was 500 ,000.

[1138] That's what I was going to say.

[1139] We'll see.

[1140] It might come up.

[1141] Okay.

[1142] Okay.

[1143] So here's what I'm saying.

[1144] Okay, so Harry is telling the cops, look, I loaned her $2 ,000 in public, in daylight, in a restaurant.

[1145] Someone must have seen us and then followed her out that night and robbed her and killed her.

[1146] And the cops were like, okay.

[1147] So they first go and talk to Frederick Reed, her ex -fiance, because they're trying to trace it back.

[1148] And when they bring him in for questioning, they interrogate him for several.

[1149] hours, but his alibi is solid, and so he's released.

[1150] Then they bring in the next suspect, which is a woman named Miss Lillian Allen, Lily Allen, and that's right.

[1151] She was a famed British singer at the time, and whose brother was on Game of Thrones.

[1152] No, so this Lily Allen and Kitty were rivals over Frederick.

[1153] And so they bring Lillian thinking she has basically killed Kitty out of jealousy because she wouldn't get that ring back and stuff.

[1154] But then Lily has a solid alibi, so they have to let her go.

[1155] Then they search Kitty's apartment for clues and they find a ripped up note that reads, I cannot marry you.

[1156] And they discover and trace back that the author of this note is a man named Harvey Axford.

[1157] So Harvey's a traveling salesman who's known Kitty for around seven years.

[1158] And they'd been involved but Harvey ultimately told Kitty he couldn't marry her because it turns out he was already married.

[1159] I could have guessed that one.

[1160] Yeah, yeah.

[1161] You could tell by the Harvey Axford in his name.

[1162] You know, he walks around like this.

[1163] A lot of winking from Harvey Oxford, you can tell.

[1164] He's a big winker.

[1165] He's a big, maybe a big gooster.

[1166] That's how it was back then.

[1167] Deal with it.

[1168] So, when they talk to Kitty's neighbors, police learned that hours before her murder, that they heard Harvey and Kitty talking in her apartment.

[1169] So they're like, this is the guy.

[1170] But again, he has a super solid alibi, so they have to release him.

[1171] So then they decide they're going to go back and question Harry Hayward.

[1172] And he, of course, has a good alibi.

[1173] He tells the authorities that he was with his friend Thomas A. Waterman for most of the night of the murder.

[1174] and then when he left Thomas, he went on a date to the Minneapolis Grand Opera House to see a musical called A Trip to Chinatown.

[1175] With share in it?

[1176] Oh, and part of his alibi is he was there on a date with a woman named Mabel Bartleson.

[1177] Oh, honey.

[1178] Easily the most unattractive name I've ever heard.

[1179] Are you swallowing a burp or are you saying someone's name?

[1180] Mabel Bartleson.

[1181] Mabel Barrelson.

[1182] Aw.

[1183] Okay.

[1184] But Mabel Barrelson is his alibi.

[1185] And because he has this alibi and because he's been so willing to help with the investigation all the way along, the cops are like, it's not this guy.

[1186] And so they keep on investigating people.

[1187] And they're about to eliminate Harry as a suspect until they question Harry's older brother, Adry.

[1188] So, several hours, after several hours of questioning, Adri breaks and spills the beans.

[1189] Or, as they say in Minneapolis, he Mabel Bartelsons all over the interrogation room.

[1190] Oh, Karen.

[1191] It's been five months.

[1192] Five months.

[1193] You've been saving that one.

[1194] I'm sorry, but I laughed so fucking hard when I wrote that in the hotel.

[1195] This is what I'm in it for.

[1196] Okay.

[1197] You got this.

[1198] Thank you.

[1199] We're going to make it to be a date.

[1200] Okay, so, Adri admits to the cops that Harry has been plotting Kitty's murder for weeks.

[1201] Turns out that Harry had persuaded Kitty to take out a life insurance policy for herself with Harry as the beneficiary.

[1202] Yes.

[1203] This was before dateline when people didn't know not to do that.

[1204] He then goes to his brother, Adri, and he asks Adri to murder kitty for him to be his hit man. Of course, Adrienne refuses.

[1205] Their interaction scares him so much, though, his own brother, his little brother, that on November 30th, 1894, Adrian goes to the family lawyer, a man named Levi Stewart, and tells him what Harry has asked him to do.

[1206] But Levi Stewart is like, okay, talk to you later, and doesn't do anything and doesn't take it seriously.

[1207] Shit.

[1208] So meanwhile, because his older brother said no, Harry goes to the Ozark Flats janitor, Klaus Briggs, and he asks him to be the hit man. And Klaus also tries to refuse, but Harry won't take no for any answer.

[1209] And he keeps going back and visiting Klaus every day in his basement room at the Ozark Flats.

[1210] And he alternates between making Klaus grand promises of financial reward and just outright threatening him until he finally says he'll be.

[1211] do it.

[1212] Shit.

[1213] So, Blixd explains to the police how weirdly controlling Harry is, saying, quote, he fixed me with his eyes.

[1214] Oh, it should be a German accent.

[1215] He fixed me with his eyes.

[1216] I won't do that.

[1217] I won't do that.

[1218] He fixed me with his eyes.

[1219] I couldn't say no when he looked at me that way.

[1220] Nobody could.

[1221] At one point, Blixst says that Harry's tone becomes violent and he says to Klaus, every time I go up to her room and she puts her arms around me, I would like to put a knife in the goddamn bitch.

[1222] Oh.

[1223] Wait, there's more.

[1224] If there was a dog and her, I would rather shoot her and let the dog go.

[1225] Oh, what a dick.

[1226] This is just small talk for Harry.

[1227] Klaus was like, anyway, I have to go mop a bunch of stuff.

[1228] So.

[1229] Okay.

[1230] Both Klaus Blix and Adri, Hayward, tell the police that they believe that Harry has somehow hypnotized them.

[1231] Yes.

[1232] So this was a time where mesmerism was kind of big and culturally a thing, and people were like, oh, you can be controlled.

[1233] You know, someone can control you with their mind.

[1234] And they also, it was also, well, this was around the time where this is why Harry Hayward would later be referred to as the Minneapolis, Fangali.

[1235] And if you don't know who Svengali is, I didn't either.

[1236] Don't worry about it.

[1237] We can always ask Wikipedia.

[1238] And it says, Spengali's a character from the 1895 novel Trilby by George de Marrier.

[1239] And in it, Svengali transforms a young woman named Trilby, why, into a great singer by using hypnosis.

[1240] And then she's unable to perform without Svengali's help.

[1241] And then she becomes entranced by him.

[1242] And the name usually refers to a person with evil intent who dominions.

[1243] manipulates, and controls someone, usually an artist.

[1244] Pretend like you always knew that.

[1245] Here's a picture of, that's Fengali and that's Trilby.

[1246] Okay.

[1247] And I think...

[1248] Racist.

[1249] Yes, for sure.

[1250] How about it?

[1251] Very much so.

[1252] You think what?

[1253] Well, I was going to say, I think the person that would play him in the movie of the week is clearly...

[1254] Oh!

[1255] Yeah.

[1256] Yeah, a hundred percent.

[1257] The Wicked Witch of the West, Margaret Hamilton?

[1258] Yeah.

[1259] So I just, I saw this and I was like, oh my God, I've done it again, right?

[1260] Highfiving myself.

[1261] Then I remembered this story.

[1262] Do you guys know that in 1973, they actually had Margaret Hamilton appear on Sesame Street, and it traumatized children so badly they never ran the episode again.

[1263] Oh, my God.

[1264] Oh.

[1265] Literally, she flew over Sesame Street, dropped her broom.

[1266] Gordon got the broom.

[1267] And wouldn't we give it back?

[1268] Because he's like, why are you on Sesame Street?

[1269] And then she starts threatening people that she's going to turn big bird into like a feather duster.

[1270] And she's going to turn Gordon into something else.

[1271] And the only person that likes her is Oscar the Grouch.

[1272] This is just, I tell the story to the millennials, because you think we're exaggerating when we say that in the 70s, they did not care about children.

[1273] And this is just one more piece of proof.

[1274] Let's scare their shit out of them today.

[1275] On their favorite show.

[1276] Yeah.

[1277] On the calmest, chillish show where it's like, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve.

[1278] A witch!

[1279] Okay.

[1280] Anyway.

[1281] That was great.

[1282] That was quite a sidebar.

[1283] Sorry, we're almost done.

[1284] We loved it.

[1285] We're here for it.

[1286] That's good.

[1287] Don't, don't, don't.

[1288] I reject it.

[1289] I reject you.

[1290] I reject you, Satan.

[1291] So on December 6th, 1894, three days after Kitty's murder, police arrest Harry and his older brother, Adri.

[1292] And the next day, they arrest janitor Klaus Brixt.

[1293] Now I'm mispronouncing his name because of my German accent.

[1294] Klaus Blix is scheduled to be tried first, and then Harry's scheduled to be tried second.

[1295] But the prosecutors end up switching the dates because they're afraid that if Klaus has tried and found not guilty, then they will not be able to prosecute Harry.

[1296] So on January 21st, 1895, Harry's trial begins.

[1297] And the lawyer, William Irwin, is considered the best lawyer in the area.

[1298] And basically, his strategy is he's going to say that Adri is insane.

[1299] And so that basically takes out, that makes his whole story non -credible and that his testimony can't be used.

[1300] But the judge disagrees saying, quote, well, I don't see that he's any more insane at present time than the attorney is.

[1301] That's not good.

[1302] Damn, Daniel.

[1303] So, at one point in the trial, Harry is called to give his account of what happened.

[1304] He denies any involvement.

[1305] He accuses his brother, Adri, and Klaus Blitz of the ones who planned killing Kitty.

[1306] So the prosecution, they call like 136 witnesses to the stand, including Adrienne and Klaus.

[1307] And Adrian Klaus deliver the most convincing testimonies.

[1308] and the whole thing lasts for 46 days.

[1309] On the last day, Friday, March 8th, 1895, the jury deliberates for just under three hours.

[1310] So they're like, do we even have to leave the room, or can we just say...

[1311] Let's get this over with, 45 days in today's fucking time.

[1312] That's 14 years, ladies and gentlemen.

[1313] That's a spin -off podcast of your podcast.

[1314] How many days in days' time?

[1315] Right.

[1316] three days later oh sorry after those three hours they come back and find Harry Hayward guilty of first degree murder and three days later the judge sentences him to death by hanging oh shit despite this death sentence Harry seems to be in good spirits great under that I just wrote psychopath psychopath he maintains his intimates oh no almost there you're almost there He maintains his sentiments, coffee cake.

[1317] Mmm, delicious.

[1318] He maintains his innocence.

[1319] Help me. You've got that.

[1320] Thank you.

[1321] He jokes around with reporters, and in prison, of course, he charms his way into getting a bunch of special permission for things, because he is the way he is.

[1322] And then, of course, tries to escape at one point.

[1323] So then they catch him.

[1324] They are ashamed that they were tricked, and they put him in isolation.

[1325] And then on December 10th, the evening before the hanging, Harry agrees to give a full confession.

[1326] So his cousin, Edward H. Goodsell, interviews him while a court stenographer takes down the transcript.

[1327] And basically, in this interview, Harry admits that not only to the murder of Kitty Gang, but also to illegal gambling, arson, and, oh, three more murders.

[1328] So, yeah, the first murder he admits to is of a 20 -year -old girl he met in Pasadena, California.

[1329] What?

[1330] What?

[1331] He lured her, oh, there it is.

[1332] He lured her into a secluded area of the Sierra Madres, which is a national forest.

[1333] So I'm like, the secluded area of the Sierra Madres.

[1334] That one corner that's away from all the other trees, what the fuck are you talking about?

[1335] A secluded area of the Sierra Madres.

[1336] He robs her of seven thousand.

[1337] $700 ,000, which is in today's money.

[1338] $600 ,000, $800 ,000, $98 ,000.

[1339] Shit.

[1340] Did I say $200 first?

[1341] No. I mean, like, way back, can I?

[1342] He robs her of her a ton of money, shoots her in the back of the head, and buries her in the woods.

[1343] Okay, then he robs and murders a consumptive near Long Beach, New Jersey, and takes $2 ,000 from that person, from a man, that man, which is $54 ,000 today.

[1344] That's right.

[1345] And dumps his body in the Shrewsbury River.

[1346] And the third murder was of a Chinese man in New York.

[1347] They got into a fight over a card game.

[1348] Harry beats him up and then get ready.

[1349] And if you don't like bad things, put your fingers in your ears.

[1350] What are you doing here?

[1351] Oh, this is the second get the fuck out.

[1352] Um, he beats him up and then jabs the pointy leg of a chair into the man's eye and sits down on the chair and kills him.

[1353] Oh, God.

[1354] That sucks.

[1355] It's, just in case you're on the hot guy's side.

[1356] Wow.

[1357] So, then at midnight on December 11th, 1895, Harry has led to the gallows.

[1358] and when asked if he has any last words, he rambles on giving a flippant, narcissistic monologue.

[1359] Shocker.

[1360] But he does, at the 11th hour, finally tell everyone that his older brother, Adri, had nothing to do with the murderer.

[1361] And here's a picture of him right before...

[1362] What?

[1363] Right before his hanging.

[1364] Is that real?

[1365] Yeah.

[1366] I'm scared.

[1367] It's either real or there...

[1368] It's a film test with Ben Affleck playing.

[1369] Yeah.

[1370] In the biopic that we're going to make.

[1371] I am scared.

[1372] That's him.

[1373] We're all going to have nightmares today.

[1374] Yeah.

[1375] He's not great.

[1376] Well, you might be happy to know that they finally pull the lever.

[1377] He drops.

[1378] But I wrote, but like any blowhard sociopathic narcissist, he doesn't die right away.

[1379] He hangs for 10 minutes.

[1380] Holy shit.

[1381] Don't forget the chair thing, though.

[1382] His death is finally declared at 2 .25 a .m. And that is the hypnotics.

[1383] story of the Minneapolis.

[1384] Thank God.

[1385] Great fucking job.

[1386] That was great.

[1387] Yeah.

[1388] What a dick.

[1389] Right?

[1390] Do we have time for a...

[1391] Do it?

[1392] Home town.

[1393] Vince.

[1394] Let's do it.

[1395] Home town.

[1396] Home town time.

[1397] I'd like to know more about this 20 -year -old woman with the equivalent of $188 ,000.

[1398] Yeah.

[1399] Quite a sum.

[1400] Oh, dare you.

[1401] I'll be out and about over there by that exit sign.

[1402] Okay.

[1403] Thank you.

[1404] Thank you.

[1405] A couple rules.

[1406] We know you're excited.

[1407] It's exciting.

[1408] Everybody thinks they have the best story.

[1409] I hate this.

[1410] But here's a couple ways that we're going to guide you to realize whether or not you do have the best story.

[1411] Let us help you.

[1412] First of all, it should be local, definitely to Minnesota, but hopefully to this area, Minneapolis or St. Paul.

[1413] or the outlying regions we love an accent but honestly if you come up here with some this happened in Dallas everyone hates your guts I don't know like how else to convey that to people but people who are like I'm the exception to the rule you're not you're it please it should be a concise story that you know all the details to that has a beginning a middle and an end please and that's not just for tonight that's for life for real don't make people listen to you work your dumb shit out all the time and then also no go ahead I think that's it you can't be so drunk you can't tell your own story don't point at someone whose story you don't know because I'll fucking come after you and good luck ladies and gentlemen remember Stacey had a great one can I have the lights up if possible look this I'm so scared.

[1414] I hate you.

[1415] Oh, my God.

[1416] Be careful, you guys.

[1417] Jesus Christ.

[1418] Look how I am.

[1419] Nice work.

[1420] Gravity is working up there.

[1421] Yeah.

[1422] That's scary.

[1423] It's horrifying.

[1424] Oh, Yvese.

[1425] Here she is.

[1426] Nicole.

[1427] Nice to meet you.

[1428] It's Nicole, everybody.

[1429] Nicole.

[1430] Here you go.

[1431] Come here.

[1432] Nicole, where are you from?

[1433] I think it's on.

[1434] It's on.

[1435] It's on.

[1436] Okay.

[1437] So I live in South St. Paul.

[1438] Great.

[1439] Gold Packers.

[1440] No?

[1441] Okay.

[1442] And Cougars.

[1443] I'm really nervous.

[1444] I know, right?

[1445] It's scary.

[1446] What do you do for a living?

[1447] Do you want to say?

[1448] I'm a teacher and a theater director.

[1449] Yeah.

[1450] I just closed high school musical a couple weeks ago.

[1451] Are you serious?

[1452] Awesome.

[1453] We're all in this together and all that.

[1454] Yes.

[1455] You got this.

[1456] Okay.

[1457] Yes.

[1458] So, when we were searching for a house about five years ago, five and a half years ago, we had a realtor who was very hip, like the hippest realtor ever.

[1459] He's in a band, and he has a construction company.

[1460] Anyway, so we're looking for houses in South St. Paul, St. Paul, and we're in Como area.

[1461] Everybody knows where Coma is.

[1462] It's by seven points.

[1463] It's by seven corners.

[1464] Not really, but, okay.

[1465] Okay.

[1466] Okay.

[1467] So we're in that area looking at a house that we can afford, and our realtor tells us there's this house nearby that's like $150 ,000 less.

[1468] You're getting excited.

[1469] Yes.

[1470] Yeah.

[1471] Okay.

[1472] That's like $150 ,000 less.

[1473] It's a craftsman bungalow with all the woodwork.

[1474] It's what we want, right?

[1475] We can't afford the taxes, but we're in the area, so we say F it and go over there, right?

[1476] Yeah.

[1477] Yeah, you know.

[1478] Okay.

[1479] So.

[1480] So we go in the house, and it's gorgeous right away, but I turn to my husband, and I say to him, something's weird, and I'm not usually a person who would ever vocalize that.

[1481] So we're looking around.

[1482] Our son is with us.

[1483] He was four, or three or four at the time, and he's running around the house, you know, like kids do.

[1484] He's in the bathtub and up and on the stairs.

[1485] And, yeah.

[1486] Yeah.

[1487] Well, it's doing great.

[1488] All right.

[1489] So the realtor says, hey, guys, can you come in the kitchen for a second?

[1490] I hadn't been in the kitchen yet.

[1491] And so there's sticker, like leftovers of stickers on the cabinets, on the, you know, and none of the hardware is there.

[1492] It's a beautiful, like, farmhouse kitchen.

[1493] And I was like, oh, this is amazing.

[1494] But why is all the hardware gone?

[1495] And why do I feel creepy?

[1496] And so our realtor says, come and look at this, and he's got the disclosures.

[1497] And he says, I've been doing this for 15 years, and I have never seen this.

[1498] And we had actually been joking about, like, what if we see a murder house?

[1499] And we pull up the carpet to see the wood floors.

[1500] And there's a blood stain.

[1501] And we were very excited about the possibility of that happening to be truthful.

[1502] And so he shows us the page in the number one disclosure says, quote unquote, house is the form is the site of a former crime that's it and he's like I've never I've never seen this in the state of Minnesota you do not have to disclose as far as I know that it's a murder house some places you do and so I'm like this is super weird we go out to the garage we're poking around in the garage and our kid is like up in the loft and you're like almost falls down and I'm like okay we got to get out of this joint so we leave and of course we get in the car what's the first thing I do?

[1503] Google!

[1504] Yes.

[1505] And so my husband's like, are you seriously doing that?

[1506] And I'm like, yes, I am.

[1507] This is like my dream come true slash my nightmare come true.

[1508] And so it's both.

[1509] And so it turns out, so there was this couple, nice young couple bought this house, had a little boy, 18 -month -old boy.

[1510] The husband was kind of a near -do -well.

[1511] He'd been in prison prior, had a drinking problem, but had kicked it when he met the love of his life.

[1512] She was a young Target executive.

[1513] A little shout out Target.

[1514] Up and coming, very popular in the company, and everybody knew her.

[1515] So one day, actually on New Year's Eve, he had gone to their parents' house.

[1516] He had stolen a handgun out of the closet.

[1517] And it turns out he had kind of had enough of his wife, getting on him about drinking.

[1518] She had found a bottle of vodka in their car after they got back from church, you know.

[1519] And he decided that was the night, I think it was January 6th, 2013.

[1520] Wow.

[1521] Yeah, January 6th.

[1522] Okay.

[1523] Sorry.

[1524] And so he had come home, shot her in the head while the 18 -year -old was in bed.

[1525] 18 -month -old.

[1526] 18 -month -old, not year -old, yes.

[1527] Got it.

[1528] That would be.

[1529] Yeah.

[1530] And I don't know.

[1531] I never did find out if he left the kid at home or if he took him with to go to the hardware store to get the supplies.

[1532] So he came home.

[1533] and in the bathtub where my child was playing dismembered her body.

[1534] This guy's name, and I don't even want to say it, but his name was fucking Stephen.

[1535] Stephen Johnson, and I think her name was like Mina or Maina.

[1536] Anyway, so he puts her in totes and then sticks her in the garage where we hung out for a while.

[1537] Right?

[1538] So a couple days go by, and he, Oh, and he had gone and parked her car at the car park, where she parked every day.

[1539] And then he sent her a text to throw off the case.

[1540] Just so gross, right?

[1541] And he called her mom and, like, chatted with her and stuff.

[1542] So, yeah.

[1543] So eventually he calls one of his buddies from prison, who lives in White Bear Lake, go bears, right?

[1544] We only have 20 more minutes.

[1545] Okay.

[1546] And he says, hey, I got something to store in your garage.

[1547] You mind if I do that?

[1548] So he figures out what it is.

[1549] And he does the right thing because he was on parole and he calls the police.

[1550] And as far as I know, he's down in Stillwater still.

[1551] So.

[1552] Oh, yeah.

[1553] So stay sexy and don't get in the tub.

[1554] Did you buy the house?

[1555] We did not buy the house.

[1556] We couldn't afford the taxes.

[1557] Nicole, everyone.

[1558] Nicole, everybody.

[1559] Great job.

[1560] Do you want that Zach Efron?

[1561] Yeah.

[1562] We're giving you.

[1563] We can't take it.

[1564] Take care of Zach Ephron for.

[1565] us love him like we loved him we would have taken him home we'd have to buy him an extra ticket yeah just can't that's crazy you guys my heart and my bladder are so full right now thank you so much that was an amazing amazing show you guys are a great great crowd I was just saying I was saying to Vince because I love jinxing shit how fucking incredible and easy and like a like well this tour has gone and how lucky we are that, like, it's been fucking cool.

[1566] And it's all because you guys are here for us and support us and sell out fucking theaters, so we have to do another night.

[1567] Yeah.

[1568] It's amazing.

[1569] Our minds are blown constantly.

[1570] And it's so awesome because when we do get to meet people after, like every person that comes up is somebody that we feel like we know and we would hang out with it.

[1571] So we're all the same.

[1572] It's so fucking hilarious.

[1573] And it's such a great feeling.

[1574] It's such a beautiful thing to see, too.

[1575] to watch you guys build this community and connect with each other and support each other and we get the fucking credit for it.

[1576] But you guys are the one that's that are doing it and we will never ever be able to thank you enough.

[1577] So thank you so, so much.

[1578] And of course, please stay saved and do God's missions.

[1579] That's first and foremost.

[1580] But more than that, stay sexy.

[1581] And...