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[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Hey, this is exciting.

[2] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[3] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[4] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[5] Who killed Saz?

[6] And were they really after Charles?

[7] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[8] This season, murder hits close to home.

[9] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[10] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[11] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[12] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[13] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[14] Only murders in the building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[15] Goodbye.

[16] Welcome to my favorite murder.

[17] Oh.

[18] For some reason, professional to me is like a low voice.

[19] Is ASMR videos?

[20] I have some more videos.

[21] Welcome to my favorite murder.

[22] This Karen, that's Karen Kilkerra.

[23] That's two darn things.

[24] And here we are.

[25] Guys, professionals.

[26] This is the third time we've started tonight.

[27] Let's see if we can nail this.

[28] It got real bad.

[29] You guys missed a lot about driving.

[30] You missed.

[31] I spoiled a movie.

[32] Go watch the movie.

[33] Christine.

[34] It's on Netflix.

[35] And I won't.

[36] That's all I'm going to tell you.

[37] That's all.

[38] You're going to tell them.

[39] And don't look anything up about it.

[40] Just watch it.

[41] if you dare just watch it cold and don't know what it's about it's it was everything that i wanted because it took place in the 80s it was all vintage clothing amazingness rebecca hall was incredible michael see how this place such a douche i love it all the halls are all the halls and they're and it's about the invention of hall's cop drops yep the halls are the halls of what are they what was their catchphrase deck the halls now this is just word Association.

[42] Should we start again?

[43] No, we're on April.

[44] Let us do it.

[45] We're leaving tomorrow for Denver.

[46] Oh, yes.

[47] That this will come out next week.

[48] So hey, Denver.

[49] I can't believe how high you got everybody.

[50] Yeah.

[51] So actually we're leaving in two days for Australia.

[52] Oh, shit.

[53] Dude.

[54] Are you excited?

[55] I made us reservations at a restaurant already.

[56] That's right.

[57] Did I tell you that?

[58] Yeah, you did.

[59] Um, I am excited.

[60] I have to say, I'm very angry at the ghost of my mother because as the...

[61] It sounds healthy already.

[62] As the one thing she did harp on in her life was it was always a nursing related thing or health related thing.

[63] Anytime I flew to New York or back east, she would say, get up and walk around.

[64] You don't want to die of a blood clot.

[65] She would say that to me before I got on a plane.

[66] Which is like, great.

[67] Thanks.

[68] Thanks.

[69] Thank you.

[70] For building that into my psyche, it'll never leave.

[71] I don't, you are not supposed to cross your legs, take off and landing.

[72] Really?

[73] For that reason.

[74] Is that true?

[75] Yeah.

[76] Well, I don't know if it's fucking true, but that's my paranoia that I've read.

[77] Don't cross your legs.

[78] That's so specific, though.

[79] Because you're cutting off blood circulation.

[80] Right, but why take off and landing?

[81] Because of the pressure.

[82] Okay, okay.

[83] You're asking already.

[84] I'm sorry.

[85] Well, I mean, yeah, all of it is.

[86] That makes sense.

[87] It's just a concern that I have.

[88] Okay, so your mom told you that.

[89] All my pants are too tight, and I'm scared.

[90] I'm going to die of a blood clot.

[91] Okay.

[92] Wait, oh, you mean in life?

[93] Those are kind of two separate, and then at the same time, the same issue.

[94] Well, here's good news.

[95] Okay.

[96] Since we're flying business class, there's a bar in business class.

[97] So you can walk over and meet me and Vince at the bar.

[98] Business class getting absolutely shit hammered.

[99] Wait, is this like international waters where I can drink on the plane to Australia?

[100] Because it doesn't count as being.

[101] in America or my actual life.

[102] Yes.

[103] And then you'll have a blood clot and a seizure on the plane.

[104] For real.

[105] And I'll punch everybody.

[106] I will punch the pilot and be arrested.

[107] Vince keeps making up scenarios like he likes to do.

[108] And then George is running around the business class in her G string.

[109] I don't even wear G string.

[110] Suddenly, oh, he goes, you're debuting your first G string.

[111] Running around.

[112] Miss, can you, miss, we need you to.

[113] Because you're going to be so drunk.

[114] Because I'll be so drunk and so excited that we're business class.

[115] Very exciting.

[116] So.

[117] I like the idea that I can lay down.

[118] That really brings me a lot of relief.

[119] But it is scary to me. I don't know.

[120] There's something nerve -wracking about a plane flight that long.

[121] Huh.

[122] Okay.

[123] Well, we'll hold your hand.

[124] Okay, okay, okay.

[125] Be in a pod.

[126] That's right.

[127] We'll be in a pod.

[128] Stephen, you'll be there.

[129] Are you on the same flight as us?

[130] No, I'm not on the same flight.

[131] I was going to send you back drinks, constantly.

[132] No. we'll send them anyways.

[133] Then Steven's in his G -string.

[134] Yeah.

[135] Out of control.

[136] Stevens at my G -string.

[137] I'm ready.

[138] I got tear away pants and everything.

[139] Australia style.

[140] I mean, I've done that flight before.

[141] I've done the flight to New Zealand.

[142] So that one's a little bit longer than Australia.

[143] But like, I feel like I just slept the whole time.

[144] I just was like, I can't handle this long of a flight where it's like we're landing like a two days later.

[145] Yeah.

[146] It's going to be intense.

[147] It's very exciting.

[148] It's definitely going to be exciting.

[149] Oh, I'm going to get one of those Evian spray bottles and just spray water on my face the whole time.

[150] Just, ma 'am, can we, ma 'am, everyone's complaining.

[151] Ma 'am, nobody wants you to do that anymore.

[152] The person behind you was soaking wet because you keep doing it over your head.

[153] Like, this is what rich people do.

[154] That's not doing anything.

[155] All right.

[156] Okay.

[157] Let's talk about podcasting.

[158] Oh, I want to say for the live shows since we're on the subject that I think that we haven't told people that.

[159] So we do like sometimes two or three shows.

[160] in the same city, we do a different murder every night.

[161] Oh, yes.

[162] So I feel like some people are like, because we did that once, the first time we did two shows in one night.

[163] I believe it was Seattle, right?

[164] Yeah, and like you could hear the people in the second show who had been at the first one, like audibly grown.

[165] Yeah.

[166] And then we were both like, oh.

[167] It felt bad.

[168] Yeah, the air went out of the room.

[169] We were just staring at each other like, why are we doing this?

[170] What the fuck is wrong with us?

[171] Like I saw, and I could see in the front row, like, the same two faces I had seen in the show before.

[172] Yeah.

[173] And I just wanted to apologize.

[174] So I think we did apologize to a lot of people.

[175] You know what we did?

[176] We stopped doing it.

[177] Therefore, that is the living apology that we did.

[178] So we don't do the same murder.

[179] Ever.

[180] Ever.

[181] And it's a lot of work.

[182] I'm really mad about it.

[183] Like you said, you feel like you have 15 book reports.

[184] Yes.

[185] It's true.

[186] And we have all new really cool merch that you can't get online for sale at the shows.

[187] Live show.

[188] Like, we actually put a lot of work into it.

[189] And it's like fucking cool shit.

[190] Georgia, if you were single and you had a Bumble profile, I think that merch would be one of the things you would list under your interests.

[191] I'm really into it.

[192] Because you're fucking about merch and have been since day one.

[193] It's just so fun.

[194] There's so much cool shit.

[195] We have a shirt now and I can, I, it says, I'm a, and then it's a, there's one that says Karen, one that says Georgia, but it's in our signatures.

[196] Yes.

[197] Which is Vince's idea.

[198] And it's so fucking cool.

[199] Shit, it was Karen's idea.

[200] You just mouthed it at me. God damn it.

[201] I'm sorry.

[202] It's okay.

[203] You just gave me so much credit for doing merch and then I was like, you don't do anything.

[204] I do sometimes from the privacy of my home.

[205] Well, that I don't think it's that great of an idea anymore.

[206] What happened?

[207] You loved it when Vince did it.

[208] Vince asked me to say that.

[209] I would like to say, you know, props to Vint.

[210] There are lots of people who contacted us from Los Angeles or grew up here or whatever that needed to say, there is a Carvel ice cream shop in Los Angeles, out on the west side.

[211] Oh, yeah.

[212] We didn't know that.

[213] I've never heard of it at all in California at all.

[214] I mean either.

[215] Fudgy the Whale, I've been hearing about forever.

[216] Who else contacted us to let us know about Carvel?

[217] Carvel themselves.

[218] Yeah.

[219] What did they say?

[220] Did you see the tweet?

[221] What did say, Stephen?

[222] Oh, because we were talking about getting a Carvel Fudgy the Whale for a hundredth show.

[223] Yes.

[224] And they said...

[225] They were like, the countdown's on.

[226] Party time.

[227] It's on us or something.

[228] Oh, really?

[229] we're fucking famous now to that and me I was like that's it why is a cake an ice cream cake or whatever that we could afford ourselves send Stephen to get yeah to me I'm tweeting out as I lost my mind you've changed you've changed no I haven't that's the part I'm excited about a cake which is nothing new but sending to Steve it's a real celebration well what's funny to me is people talked about it and they were like I grew up eating it and da -da -da -da well I looked it up and as far as I could tell the that shop opened in 2008 no that's what it said on the website Santa Monica yeah oh yeah okay it's the only one in LA I think there's one outside of L .A too I think there's one in like I don't naming a city that I don't like Monrovia oh over in Monrovia over in Monro like it's one of those places where I'm from Southern California and I don't know where there are these cities that you're like why would I know where Pekoa is it's like yeah is it those there's a really there's a mystery spot that's kind of like along the It's called Inland Empire.

[230] Yeah, the mountain range.

[231] Thence was like, why don't, how do you not know where these places are?

[232] Like Claremont?

[233] Yeah.

[234] What's happening over in Claremont?

[235] I don't know.

[236] Nobody goes there unless.

[237] I think they stay there.

[238] They're like fuck L .A. Yeah.

[239] Which is fair.

[240] It's like, I've been of a couple of the space and I'm like, oh, it's fucking adorable.

[241] Well, Claremont's fancy too.

[242] It has like that college.

[243] They have colleges over there.

[244] Oh, you mean Harvard?

[245] That's where Harvard is.

[246] What if they had Harvard to?

[247] That's what...

[248] Is there a Harvard too?

[249] It's similar to Harvard.

[250] It's tons of ivy.

[251] It's just mostly it's a school to teach you how to grow ivy.

[252] They just have a plant.

[253] They teach you how to grow ivy.

[254] Do you know that my mom is a horticulturist and I really want her...

[255] Wait, hold on.

[256] Yeah.

[257] Janet's a horticulturist?

[258] Yeah.

[259] Is that true?

[260] She's going to school for it.

[261] She's always been so fucking hardcore into plants.

[262] Wow.

[263] And then finally at 71, she's like, well, I'm going to go to school to be a horticulturist.

[264] That's amazing.

[265] Yeah.

[266] So she works at like a...

[267] nursery and I'm dying for her to open her own um her own plant shop and I just only because I want her to call it little shop of horticulture.

[268] Is that the best thing you ever?

[269] Yeah, it really is.

[270] It's not.

[271] No, that one I'm going to go with.

[272] Okay.

[273] That one I like.

[274] That's good.

[275] Yeah, it was good.

[276] Thank you.

[277] That was the sidebarious sidebar.

[278] What if she did that and then she gets sued by Brick Moranis?

[279] by the evil dentist, Steve Martin.

[280] That was so pointless.

[281] Please go on.

[282] Yeah, I mean, seriously.

[283] It's like we're trying to get people to not listen to this podcast.

[284] Here's the, this series I have to talk about because I'm so into it.

[285] The sinner.

[286] Are you watching it with Jessica Beale?

[287] Oh, I'm dying to.

[288] Okay, you have to.

[289] I didn't know it was on yet.

[290] Jessica Beal, Bill Pullman, plays the cop.

[291] Oh.

[292] I don't know.

[293] Some John Snow looking motherfucker plays her.

[294] husband.

[295] I've never seen him before, unless it is John Snow and he's doing an American accent.

[296] I'm not sure what's happening.

[297] He's beautiful.

[298] And it is a, like, she doesn't know, you have to see it.

[299] I'm dying.

[300] I've seen the commercials and I've gotten like chills.

[301] It's on demand.

[302] Anyway, if you like, I don't know, if you like a good series which this is, and it is, it has the crime feel to it, but it also has a very well written and paced drama feel to it.

[303] Jessica Beal, who I've never known at, like, I'm too old to be in that seventh heaven generation.

[304] Oh, me too.

[305] She is so good.

[306] No, I'm not.

[307] I just hated it.

[308] It's, I mean, like, it's a little, you're not that, you're not that into Christianity.

[309] That's probably what it is.

[310] Actually, did you know I am?

[311] What?

[312] Yeah.

[313] You're the, you're a Jew for Jesus?

[314] Dude for Jesus.

[315] Yeah, so anyway, if you are looking for something new to watch, highly recommend the sinner.

[316] It's not, so I was worried it's going to be, like, corn, like, you know, they keep trying to make these shows that are, like, true detective and they're not.

[317] Like, I really didn't like the Ozarks.

[318] Did you watch that?

[319] I didn't watch it.

[320] Because, yeah.

[321] Everyone loved it.

[322] And I'm sorry to, I don't care.

[323] But it was, I hated it.

[324] And so I was like, oh, I hope this isn't another one of those.

[325] Right now, Jason Bateman has a single tear rolling down his cheek.

[326] And he's saying, okay.

[327] That's what he says in the beginning of every.

[328] Sorry, shit.

[329] I really want like a walk on roll and the new rest of elements.

[330] I shouldn't talk shit on day.

[331] Is that really what you want?

[332] No. No. Oh.

[333] Are you vision boarding right now?

[334] I'm just spitballing my vision board.

[335] A walk -on roll where you just kind of walk on.

[336] No, I totally get it because I think, well, it's because when it's done right, it's the best.

[337] Yeah.

[338] And when it's done right, you can, like, lock into a series like that.

[339] Or Night of the Night of.

[340] Hello.

[341] Yeah.

[342] I want to watch it 50 times.

[343] So this.

[344] I'm thinking of Jessica Beal and what's his name making out.

[345] Justin Timberlake?

[346] No. That's her husband.

[347] The night of.

[348] Riz Ahmed.

[349] Oh, and you're just having personal fantasy.

[350] Yes.

[351] That's for your other podcast.

[352] I'm cosplaying.

[353] Okay.

[354] I'm sorry.

[355] I'm just going on.

[356] You don't like Riz Ahmed because if you like Riz Ahmed, you wouldn't immediately picture him making out with Jessica Biel.

[357] And picture making out of myself.

[358] Well, yeah.

[359] If you, so you, you're not.

[360] He's a good looking human.

[361] Okay.

[362] I thought you were like, oh, I want his DNA inside me. No, I meant that and I want to have his baby because he's so handsome.

[363] Because he's so beautiful, and they bet the baby would be gorgeous.

[364] You're using him.

[365] You're using him.

[366] Using his DNA.

[367] Oh, my God.

[368] I'm totally telling him why he's the.

[369] I'm so mad at you.

[370] Those are my only topics, Carvel in the center.

[371] Okay.

[372] And I think we should probably watch some episodes while we eat Carvel ice cream.

[373] Okay.

[374] Let's watch them right now.

[375] While we talk, what was I going to say?

[376] I have another thing, but I'm sure it's not important and weird.

[377] Take a moment.

[378] So stop and listen.

[379] You know how people love awkward, weird pauses and podcasts.

[380] They never exist with Stephen's wonderful work.

[381] Editing.

[382] Am I right?

[383] Don't edit this out, Stephen.

[384] The last one we actually did was, if I get it before you, Stephen, you're fired.

[385] Okay, weapon bush.

[386] No, you're going first.

[387] Okay, you're not fired.

[388] All right.

[389] 1989, 20 -year -old woman named Terry Knorr comes to the Utah police and she has a story for them.

[390] She tells them about how eight years before, around, her mother and two brothers had killed both of her teenage sisters, Terry's teenage sisters, and left their bodies in the mountains near Lake Tahoe.

[391] What the fuck?

[392] Yeah.

[393] Tells them this.

[394] She's kind of like, you know, like a druggie and she's been arrested for like shoplifting.

[395] So she's kind of on the outskirts of stuff.

[396] So they don't believe her.

[397] They're like, you're making shit up.

[398] And it's an insane story.

[399] So the cops don't believe her, a therapist and a lawyer that she consults, don't believe her story.

[400] So she's just like, well, fuck it.

[401] I don't know what to do then.

[402] But then in 1993, she watches an episode of America's Most Wanted, calls the hotline that they give.

[403] And just like, fuck it.

[404] It starts bawling.

[405] And I guess there's like a woman on the other end of the line who's like, oh, my God.

[406] And they're like talking.

[407] And I'm like, how cool it did I have been to be in America's Most Wanted fucking call center person?

[408] Operator.

[409] Can you imagine?

[410] Cool.

[411] and then also you would have talked to some of the craziest you would have heard some of the craziest stories I shouldn't say it that way would you rather be I know the answer to this a 911 operator or a call sent I know or name anything else in the world name anything else okay so she calls them and this chick's like well it's crazy they talk forever she's like well why don't you go to the police station that this took the precinct that took place in because she lived in Utah then and they didn't believe her.

[412] So she goes to the Placer County Sheriff and tells authorities what happened and they start to realize that this, these details match with two cold cases that had happened eight years before.

[413] Oh shit.

[414] And she's giving them details that are that fits so well that they can't not believe her.

[415] I so badly right now want to see video of her to see what her behavior or I can show it to you right now well think for real case file why don't they but what about her do you think makes her so unbelievable to the authorities um she definitely seems like the kind of person Karen you know I'm all about vintage shopping absolutely and when you say vintage you mean when you physically drive to a store and actually purchase something with cash exactly and if you're a small business owner you might know Shopify is great for online sales.

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[430] Goodbye.

[431] Hey, this is exciting.

[432] An all new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[433] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[434] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[435] Who killed Saz?

[436] And were they really after Charles?

[437] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[438] This season, murder hits close to home.

[439] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[440] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[441] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[442] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[443] Get ready for the starryest.

[444] season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, Devine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[445] Only Martyrs in the Building premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[446] Goodbye.

[447] She's talking about how she told everyone, she would tell anyone who listened this story.

[448] And they must have thought that I could see people being like, this chick just fucking goes to a dive bar.

[449] She's a regular.

[450] She tells everyone the story.

[451] Nobody believes it's a crazy story.

[452] So does she seem like an alcoholic or like she's a druggy or something?

[453] Yeah, not anymore.

[454] Not when she's doing the actual episode.

[455] She seems like she's got her shit together.

[456] She's actually incredibly believable.

[457] Well, and also if you went through that, you get to drink.

[458] All of it.

[459] I mean, like, that's the irritating thing about those kinds of situations.

[460] You live through a trauma like that of like half your family killing the other half.

[461] And then you're supposed to just be like, oh, no, I'm a really reliable witness because I'm totally in reality all the time.

[462] And it's like, she's telling the story and she's not crying because she had to shut her emotions off from all of this so long ago that they're like, you're telling us a story and you're telling it matter of factly and we don't believe you.

[463] Like, even a therapist who should be able to look past all this stuff.

[464] Yeah.

[465] And like, call the fucking Lake Tahoe, like, PD and be like, hey, anyways, well, we'll get to her story and we can talk about that.

[466] Okay.

[467] So that, yeah, there's two.

[468] identify Jane Doe's a kind of match and they're like, oh shit, we should look into this.

[469] So here's the story.

[470] So Terry's mom, her name's Teresa Norr.

[471] She's born in Sacramento, California in 46.

[472] At age 16, she leaves home to marry a man five years older than her, who she had met a few months prior.

[473] She drops out of high school and she gets pregnant.

[474] So on July 6, 1964, that they're arguing, and the husband tells Teresa that he's leaving her.

[475] She gets so pissed off.

[476] She shoots him in the back with a rifle as he's walking out the door, killing him.

[477] Holy shit.

[478] Yeah.

[479] She's arrested and charged with his murder, but she says she's not guilty because it was self -defense.

[480] She says she doesn't tell them what happened, really.

[481] Like shooting someone in the back, how is that self -defense?

[482] Yeah, it doesn't look good.

[483] But during her trial, she's pregnant with her second kid.

[484] And she claims that she shot him because he was violent alcoholic who physically abused her.

[485] And she's acquitted of the murder.

[486] She gives birth to her second kid, Sheila, 65.

[487] And after that birth, she begins drinking super heavily, begins another relationship with a man named Robert Nore.

[488] That's how she got her last name.

[489] She comes pregnant again.

[490] They have a third kid named Susan.

[491] Then they have three more children, William, Robert, and Teresa that they named after her.

[492] And that's Terry.

[493] girl who came.

[494] Teresa Jr. as you do.

[495] It's kind of cool.

[496] Yeah.

[497] You know what I really love the name?

[498] Virginia.

[499] But if I ever have a kid, I can't name her Virginia because my name's Georgia and it would seem like I'm naming her after myself.

[500] And this is my son, New Jersey.

[501] Right.

[502] It's like, you can't do that.

[503] No. You're just a vain.

[504] But if you had a daughter named her Karen.

[505] I would totally do that.

[506] I would do that in a heartbeat.

[507] Well, there you go.

[508] Kay J. Come on.

[509] Eventually, she, they divorce.

[510] She mates another man. They get married.

[511] Two months later, they divorce.

[512] And then this is when she starts to go thucking crazy, says all the kids.

[513] After her fourth divorce.

[514] Fourth divorce, six kids, she goes nuts.

[515] She starts drinking more and more.

[516] She puts on a ton of weight and is super pissed off about it.

[517] Um, she starts abusing her kids hardcore.

[518] Um, Terry said when we were kids, my mom beat the shit out of us.

[519] She's like kind of awesome.

[520] Yeah.

[521] Like you want to hang out with her when you see her in cold, in this cold case file.

[522] I'll watch it.

[523] Yeah.

[524] She's just like, well, they beat it.

[525] She beat the ever loving fuck out of like.

[526] She's just so matter of fact about it.

[527] But like, like you can tell she's just like that a friend that's intense and wants to have the late night conversations with you.

[528] About everything.

[529] Um, if we hugged my, our mom too much, it was like, who, were we trying to convince that we loved her or she loved us.

[530] On the other hand, if we didn't hug her and kiss her and tell her we loved her, then we didn't love her and we were evil children.

[531] We were demon seeds that had been given to her by Bob Nore.

[532] So she goes crazy and starts to think that her kids are like satanic.

[533] Oh.

[534] And she becomes reclusive and disconnected the home phone and wouldn't let the kids go out or have visitors.

[535] They moved into a two bedroom apartment in Sacramento.

[536] Can you imagine six children and the mom and two bedroom?

[537] I lived in two -bedroom apartments with two other roommates, and we all wanted to kill each other the whole time.

[538] Also, it's very hot there.

[539] Sacramento?

[540] Always.

[541] Probably didn't have AC.

[542] Probably didn't.

[543] That will make you go crazy.

[544] Swamp coolers.

[545] That's what you told me, right?

[546] Yeah, we sit around in chairs right next to the swamp cooler with our armpits up on it.

[547] I'd never even heard of.

[548] Just be like, let the sun go down.

[549] Okay.

[550] The neighbor, and the neighbors say the apartment was filthy and smelled like urine.

[551] Oh.

[552] So on top of all of that.

[553] So for years, Teresa abused and tortured her children, and it sounds horrific, including burning them with cigarettes, throwing knives at them, beating, and once grabbed Terry by the arm and held a 22 caliber pistol to her head and told her she was going to kill her.

[554] So chances are that Terry, when she went to finally report this horrible thing, was totally shut down.

[555] That's why I was like, she wasn't crying.

[556] She was matter -of -factly telling the story.

[557] And it's like, well, yeah, it's seven years old or whatever.

[558] she was like, emotions are not going to help you.

[559] No, I bet they count against you very badly with a mother like that.

[560] Definitely.

[561] So she, yeah, she had no emotional attachment to this story at that point, which is insane.

[562] This story reminds me of Sylvia Likens, that horrible story I covered a while ago.

[563] Yeah.

[564] And that the mom made, would make the other kids beat up one of them.

[565] No, no. So she would make them be involved in it so that they were part of it.

[566] you know and that's probably part of why terry was so fucking shut down is like she kind of had a hand in it and her in her mind thinking she was responsible to even though you're obviously not yeah so um there's like talk of incest it's brought up one like one or two articles but they don't the word incest comes up but they don't go into details at all yeah so i don't really know how truthful that is or to what extent that is um let's see but blah blah blah okay so she primarily started to focus her anger and abuse on the two oldest daughters, Susan and Sheila.

[567] And according to Terry, Teresa resented that Susan and Sheila were maturing and becoming attractive young women while she was becoming older and couldn't lose any weight.

[568] Terry kind of explains it like that, but it's clearly so much more deep -seated than that.

[569] She's a monster and insane person.

[570] And a bad alcohol, like a degenerating alcoholic.

[571] And yeah, there's probably parts of her brain are going soft.

[572] because of the drinking if it's been going on for long enough yeah uh i learned that on sober house that can happen to you really how oh my god but excuse me while i say take a sip of my tea that's got whiskey in it but uh that makes perfect sense and also i bet you the sons uh it's like every movie you've ever seen about an abuse of parent where eventually the 16 year old boy turns around and goes i'll beat the shit out of you if you touch me again right the girls can't probably can't do that exactly yeah and um yeah and the beating the boys you know start beating them up and probably avoid their mother beating the shit out of them because they're part of it you know it's it's really horrific yeah especially yeah so she would so because of this she would start administering forced feedings to the girls which can you imagine that kind of fucking torture Sorry, because they were young and pretty and thin.

[573] So she would give them forced feedings.

[574] She would make boxes and boxes of, like, mac and cheese, you know, like the mac and cheese and put spoonfuls of lard in it and sit there and make them eat all of it.

[575] That sucks.

[576] To a point where one of the girls had her front teeth were broken because of forcing her to eat.

[577] Holy shit.

[578] Yeah.

[579] That's a hard.

[580] thing to do for it to eat like that or to break your teeth really yeah I mean I've never done it yeah it's it's not it's pretty solid oh my God oh my God Jesus Christ all right um so and if you threw up you had to eat it like for you know when you eat so much you get full and it's so fucking painful and horrible can you I think that to me is it's such a telling torture but also it's so self -serving yeah it's it's, yeah, it's very, it's really, really sad.

[581] So she, so Teresa started to believe that her fourth husband had turned Susan, one of the older daughters, into a witch because, so she really received the worst of Teresa's abuse.

[582] After one severe beating, Susan ran away from home, and she was picked up by police and placed in a psychiatric hospital, and she told the staff of the abuse at the hands of her mother.

[583] And Teresa denies the abuse and told the hospital staff that Susan had mental issues.

[584] So they didn't investigate and they released Susan back to her mother.

[585] Oh.

[586] As they do in the 80s.

[587] Fuck.

[588] Yep.

[589] How old was Susan?

[590] Sorry.

[591] I think she was a teenager.

[592] A lot of the details of like age and year and that sort of thing is hazy probably because Terry's the one giving them the info and there's not a lot of.

[593] Oh, right.

[594] You know, there's not a lot of info to back it up.

[595] so it's hard to tell.

[596] So, of course, Susan's super punished for this.

[597] She gets beatings while they wear a pair of leather gloves, which I don't understand.

[598] Like, this part is in a couple of the articles.

[599] It makes it more painful or something?

[600] I would imagine, right?

[601] I don't know.

[602] I thought maybe you would know, like, oh, yeah, leather, whatever.

[603] Not slapping gloves, slapping with gloves like a British gentleman would.

[604] No, they, like, put leather gloves on and beat her up.

[605] I wonder if it, like, delivers a pun.

[606] chart i don't know someone will tell us she also forced her okay so they all had to beat her up um she got handcuffed to the bed and the other children had to stand guard and watch her make sure she can get out of there um the handcuffs aren't enough i know she makes she makes her drop out of school everyone drops out of school and they're all in like high school oh none of them got past eighth grade oh no so this all happened before eighth grade oh fuck yeah that's really young Okay.

[607] Um, and they were homeschooled, of course, based on the Bible.

[608] And they had, and, and Teresa had a thing called the board of education.

[609] And it was a paddling board that said the board of education on it.

[610] And they did something wrong.

[611] I've heard of that.

[612] Have you?

[613] Yeah, people's parents having that.

[614] Really?

[615] Yep.

[616] It's a funny, abusive pun.

[617] Oh, I know.

[618] It's cute.

[619] It's like, makes, it, hmm.

[620] Man, I got, I got hit with a wooden spoon as a kid.

[621] a lot.

[622] And it is so fucking painful.

[623] Is it really?

[624] It, I know, like, it's, it's kind of, it seems, it's like a cute thing.

[625] Right.

[626] That like, like, you got to spank your children.

[627] And it, everyone acts like, it's, this is how you teach them how to be a good person.

[628] No. So I got spanked a lot as a kid with both a wisdom and a hand.

[629] Mm -hmm.

[630] It fucking hurts and it's terrifying and the parent is really pissed off while they're doing it.

[631] So it's not like a teaching you a lesson.

[632] It's you, I am so fucking angry at, you.

[633] that's an adult out of control yeah with a child yeah well and also it was very fucking common back then yeah it was it was not only common for people to get uh uh well abused like they didn't think they still a lot of people don't think that's abuse right but also other people's parents would kit would slap kids yeah or you know spank them yeah it was always this idea of spanking like on the butt was less bad it's they call it a smack i don't know why am i oversharing this stuff well it's very very relevant and I'm sure it brought up this story brought up a lot of shit for you yeah that's fucked up yeah um I hope my mom doesn't sue me defamation shit no one's gonna go to fucking little house of horror cultures or uh yeah damn it should I not okay it's gonna go in my memory anyways I might as well say it on the podcast no I'm kidding uh da da da da okay so let's get to the fucking shit they're having an argument in 1983.

[634] Teresa shoots Susan in the chest during this argument.

[635] Fuck.

[636] The bullet gets lodged in her back.

[637] Teresa makes the sons put her in the bathtub.

[638] Good.

[639] And Susan gets nurse back to health by her mother.

[640] What?

[641] Yep.

[642] She doesn't die.

[643] But it all takes place at home.

[644] Yeah.

[645] Good God.

[646] It's a hellhole.

[647] Yeah.

[648] And Terry says that this was the only time that she didn't see her mother.

[649] hitting Susan so it was almost like nursing her back to health made her feel motherly and needed and so she wasn't abusive fuck isn't that insane that's uh where were the fucking neighbors or I mean gunshots are taking place well the house they showed a photo of the house that they moved into they're like two bedroom it definitely looks secluded oh like in a Sacramento kind of way I was picturing it as like apartments no yeah it's an app they call it an apartment but it's not okay it's like a two -bedroom small place okay and it looks like it's you know out and wherever yeah um but yeah you know so do so she's a nurse back to health she survives and in 1984 she works up the courage and tells her mom she wants to move out and teresa says okay you can move out but you have to let me remove the bullet from your back because if you tell on me that can be used as evidence.

[650] Oh, my God.

[651] This is horrific, right?

[652] It's unbelievable.

[653] I know.

[654] I was like, maybe this week I'll do like an old time you murder that's like a little more.

[655] Nope.

[656] And then I was like, oh, I found this and I have to do it.

[657] It's incredible.

[658] It's insane.

[659] So Teresa, Susan agrees.

[660] They put her down on the kitchen floor and Terry says I was basically the nurse.

[661] I had to administer all these things.

[662] but either the brother or Teresa took the bullet out.

[663] I can't really tell.

[664] But they fed her a ton of liquor and malaria, malarial capsules.

[665] Do you know what those are?

[666] Imagine their sleeping pill, tell she's out cold and then take the bullet out.

[667] Okay.

[668] And flush it down the toilet.

[669] Oh, right.

[670] Infection sets in.

[671] Susan's skin turns yellow from jaundice.

[672] They handcuff her to the kitchen table.

[673] and she lays dying on the floor this gets really horrific she Teresa tells her kids that Susan was possessed by Satan and the only way to purge the demon was with fire oh no she makes Robert and Bill the brothers drive Susan to Sierra Nevada Interstate 80 do you know where that is so it's like out in the wilderness right yes well the 80 if from Sacramento you take the 80 then you're I think.

[674] Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

[675] And, yeah.

[676] Okay.

[677] It's, I'm pretty sure it's on the way up to the mountains.

[678] Like, if I'm not.

[679] That sounds wrong.

[680] It's like toward Roosevelt.

[681] Okay.

[682] Um, all right.

[683] They had packed all of her possessions into trash bags.

[684] They pull over.

[685] They put the trash bags down.

[686] They, they put Susan on top of them.

[687] And they poured gasoline and they lit her on fire.

[688] Is she still alive?

[689] Yeah.

[690] I wasn't going to say anything.

[691] Well, you have to tell the whole story.

[692] There's, that's, you have to tell the whole story.

[693] And I think she was, like, to me, nothing is worse than what, those are the, those, those for some reason are the worst to me is being lit on fire.

[694] By your fucking family.

[695] Yeah.

[696] But dying of fire to me is specifically horrific.

[697] Yeah.

[698] I can't.

[699] That's like the one I can't really think of that.

[700] And I'm doing a story about it.

[701] Um, they've, and it's just a warning on cold case files that they show her.

[702] Oh.

[703] They show.

[704] fucking crime scene photos.

[705] So, um, they, she's found.

[706] They put the fire out.

[707] They have no idea who she is.

[708] They, um, they think that, okay, they have no idea who she is.

[709] They make a, um, they make a drawing of what they think that she looks like.

[710] Fucking case goes cold.

[711] They have no idea who she is.

[712] Oh.

[713] And, uh, back at home.

[714] So it's the, like, a, like, A year later, late spring of 85, Teresa starts to make her 20, now 20 -year -old daughter, Sheila, work as a sex worker.

[715] She, like, pimps her out.

[716] And she's earning hundreds of dollars a day, and Teresa almost seems like she's proud of her, and she eased up on the daily beatings, and she's, she'll is actually out to come and go, as she pleases, which is rare.

[717] And then Teresa accuses Sheila.

[718] of giving Teresa an STD through the toilet seat.

[719] And so she beats her, hog ties her, and locks her in a, like, tiny broom closet.

[720] It's hot as fuck.

[721] There's no ventilation.

[722] And she forbids her other children to give Sheila food or water or to open the closet door.

[723] And Terry, one day when she was gone, disobeys her in hands and gives her a beer, which is almost like, you can imagine that's probably all there was in the house.

[724] Yes.

[725] And she's this like kid, this teenage kid who's like doesn't know what else to do.

[726] Here's a beer.

[727] So she, I guess Teresa just said she wanted Sheila to confess.

[728] But either way, she's going to get beaten.

[729] And so she does confess.

[730] She doesn't believe her.

[731] And so she eventually dies in the closet.

[732] Oh my God.

[733] Yeah.

[734] So three days later she dies of dehydration and starvation.

[735] They leave her body in the closet for an additional three days before even discovering that she's dead.

[736] So the mom and son puts the body, her body in a cardboard box, tapes it shut and they take it to the mountains where they dumped it near the Truckee airport.

[737] And then they get back to the apartment and realize the smell hasn't gone away.

[738] And so Teresa orders Terry to set the apartment on fire.

[739] This woman is a fucking lunatic.

[740] Guess what?

[741] She's still alive.

[742] what she's still alive teresa oh the lunatic mom oh to this day yeah oh sorry for a second i was like that was like at the crazy twist no no no there's sadly no crazy twist okay okay um but the dead the dying and dad is dying at this point i mean this is this is pure how you're not heard about this i know when you said the name it sounds familiar what's how have you not heard about this i know isn't that crazy it sounds super familiar but um Um, yeah, but I didn't, I, I don't know these details at all, but this might be when your parents, like, were like, we're not watching the news for a while.

[743] Yeah, but 85, that I would have like, if that, if I heard that on the news then, I would have been like, but here's the thing about 85 is that those are just when the bodies were found.

[744] Two separate bodies in different counties.

[745] Oh, and there were cold cases.

[746] And there were cool cases and they weren't even linked.

[747] Okay.

[748] I think that the, the investigator on cold case files was like, yeah, we talked to them.

[749] We're like, this is weird, but they died in totally different ways, but there were two young teenagers, but they didn't put it together.

[750] Fuck.

[751] Yeah.

[752] So you wouldn't have heard much.

[753] Okay, that's right.

[754] This, she didn't come forward until 93.

[755] But you still, you were in Sacramento then.

[756] Stop it.

[757] I couldn't have known.

[758] Oh, I'm not blaming you.

[759] I'm just like about how fucking weird it is that this and, like, one of the most insane cases I've ever heard of child abuse and we've never heard of it.

[760] Right.

[761] I moved, I was in San Francisco by 93.

[762] Which just makes me want, that made me want to tell the story more because it's, like, no, I can see it.

[763] How the fuck?

[764] Because it's this weird, oh my God, like that idea of the crazy alcoholic mom that like keeps everybody in the house, like no one's in school and it's just mayhem.

[765] An ugly, sad place of constant torture.

[766] And someone that just shoots people.

[767] Like what, I mean, kills her own.

[768] It's just so crazy that it's one person against five and she is so manipulative and insane and dangerous and scary that she's able to tell her sons to go kill their sister and they obey it's their mother yeah it's their primary yeah yeah and it's all they've ever known yeah um all right so she tells her to light the apartment on fire in the middle of the night she sprinkles lighter fluid around the apartment and lights it on fire but it didn't spread because i think they're because there were neighbors so apparently there were neighbors who knows um so the fire department responds there's not a lot of damage um Sheila's body is discovered a few hours after it had been disposed of in the box by fucking poor fisherman yeah Jesus can you imagine and they show that too on cold case files like I was so surprised and I was sitting here with Vince and he looks up right when that happens and I was like don't look don't look like so I said don't look because you're going to think I'm fucking insane that I'm watching this he doesn't want to see he like went in the other room he also knows you're insane yes that's that's Just quick, FYI.

[769] He does.

[770] You're right.

[771] He likes wrestling.

[772] Exactly.

[773] Everybody's got their thing.

[774] Yeah, right.

[775] Okay.

[776] They, again, classified as a Jane Doe.

[777] After leaving the Sacramento apartment, they all go into hiding.

[778] They finally, the lining on fire is finally their ticket out of there.

[779] And they all break up and spread around.

[780] And she and Terry gets to escape her mom.

[781] Wow.

[782] At 16.

[783] Um, the mom relocates to Vegas with one of the sons, Robert Knorr.

[784] And in 91, he's arrested after fatally shooting a bartender in a Las Vegas during an attempted robbery.

[785] I mean, these are like, these are born and bred criminals that are like, now go out into the world to just rain free.

[786] Yeah.

[787] Good luck with having any kind of normal life.

[788] Yeah, you, any conflict you have, you're going to start shooting.

[789] Yeah.

[790] Terry, I mean, God bless her.

[791] she seems she seems like she was able to straighten her fucking life out wow it's unbelievable that she's able i mean watch it just to like hear her talk i can't wait um so they moved back then they moved so he goes to prison for 16 years mom relocates to salt lake city where she becomes a caretaker this dude hires her to take care of his mother ailing mother lives there and when she okay let me keep telling this okay um this is gonna that's gonna turn out bad right no oh okay no it turns out like it turns out and uh we had no idea you know what i mean so no one no one else gets killed okay okay um so terry gets chela's identification car to pass herself off as an illegal adult like she becomes you do what you got to do yes um so when she finally goes to share her story and they finally believe her because of her detailed descriptions down to the chip teeth of the jane dough they had because the box that Sheila was put in they knew was that there was the only piece of evidence they had it was a box from a movie theater of like popcorn buckets so they went to every movie theater and was like is this your brand is this your box and it wasn't and it turns out that Robert worked at a movie theater when they and had taken the box from movie theater so even that cooperated everything, just these details, um, everything matched.

[792] So the detectives also took out the subfloor that had been stained with Sheila's body to test it.

[793] And, um, uh, in November 93, Teresa Norris arrested at her home in Salt Lake City where she fucking lives with this elderly mother.

[794] And the son who had hired her was like, we had no idea.

[795] She was a sweet old lady.

[796] Yeah, she did some weird shit.

[797] And she said she liked taking care of my mom because she had, or she liked she was like really motherly to my grand kit to my children who are daughters because she said she had always wanted a daughter of her own and only had sons oh my so he didn't believe it for a long time oh okay you know what I mean yeah because like you're like the guilt over leaving your mom with a fucking murderer yeah yeah you got to be pretty high yeah you got to turn around to face that oh oh you're not a good judge of character it turns out turns out you don't know your shit you thought you were you engage your gut yeah listen to you Your heart.

[798] Eyes open, please.

[799] Eyes open.

[800] Heart.

[801] Make a reference.

[802] See, these days we have LinkedIn.

[803] That would never happen.

[804] Okay.

[805] Go ahead.

[806] She's charged with two counts of murder, two counts of conspiracy to commit murder.

[807] Two special circumstances charges multiple murder and multiple murder by torture.

[808] William is sentenced to probation and to undergo therapy therapy for participating in Sheila's murder.

[809] And in an exchange for his testimony, the prosecution.

[810] The prosecution, dropped all charges against Robert, save for one count of being an accessory after the fact in Sheila's murder.

[811] And also the mom was like, I'll plead guilty.

[812] Teresa was like, I'll plead guilty if you let my son's off.

[813] Really?

[814] I have a hard, okay, here's where I have a hard time with.

[815] Do the sons deserve anything?

[816] I mean.

[817] At what point in their age?

[818] I'm not, I feel like I am not qualified to debate that in any way now.

[819] I just want to bring it up because I can't give a judgment.

[820] way well my um like my first reaction is they don't because they were raised to kill people this woman they had no choice it was out of fear at that point and mind control that they did it yes and just the taught reactions of this is normal living yeah but when you say that then you basically there's so many murderers that you can say that about right because they had equally nightmarish childhood so they could actually yeah exactly it's nothing is black and way.

[821] Right.

[822] So like, yeah, Ted Bundy was like abused and sexually molested, but he still held responsible for what he did.

[823] It's almost like, well, at the point where they're 18 and on, then are they responsible?

[824] No, no, no. I think for Ted Bundy, I think it's like, once you've killed your 12th woman, it's on you.

[825] Okay.

[826] No, I mean, I'm saying these boys, I don't think they would have lived these lives.

[827] Definitely not.

[828] They wouldn't have killed their own sisters if their mother didn't make them participate definitely i would guess that i mean that's like to me it's like the beatings and that sort of thing no they're not held responsible for that but the murder's the same it's all the mother's doing i know and i know people are going to argue with me and be like you're you're blank you're victim blaming for sure right which i understand and i'm not saying i'm right i'm just like how what what point do we at what point is it is there a period at the end of their well that's what judges and juries and all those the people that look at all the information that's the point definitely where they go okay this is this a person that uh had you know was forced into this horrible life an entire lifestyle is this person that liked it this is this a person that didn't just kill sisters but then went on and attacked people in the neighborhood or like and wanted and it's yeah so teresa pleads guilty pleads guilty because of that and um I On the condition also that she's spared the death penalty.

[829] Just like, fuck you.

[830] Now it can be like period about, fuck you.

[831] In October 95, she sentenced to two consecutive life sentences.

[832] She's incarcerated in California Institute for Women in Chino.

[833] So she's fucking in, is that the Inland Empire?

[834] She's in the fucking.

[835] Chino?

[836] Yeah.

[837] I don't know.

[838] It might be.

[839] She'll be eligible.

[840] You should go there now and go to Ivy League school.

[841] She'll be eligible for parole in 2027.

[842] If she lives to see it, she'll be 80 years old.

[843] Oh, shit.

[844] She's still alive.

[845] I wonder if she's drinking inside in the clink.

[846] Some fucking how, some wine.

[847] Some toilet wine.

[848] Would you take a sip of that if someone made you?

[849] Not made you, but if you were like, dared.

[850] No, I don't really respond to daring.

[851] That's not my jam.

[852] Yeah, you don't seem like a person who would be challenged.

[853] No. No. I mean, are you saying, would I even be curious?

[854] about the experience of what toilet wine tastes like.

[855] I guess the word toilet is hard now.

[856] It ruins it.

[857] I mean would I have eaten.

[858] Prison wine in a bucket maybe.

[859] Prison wine in a bucket that's quite clean.

[860] The first time ever the bucket was used was for the prison wine.

[861] Yeah, which I'm sure they have access to clean buckets.

[862] Then yes, yeah, I'm sure there's a whole program set up.

[863] But I would want to taste what non -toilet created prison wine tasted like.

[864] I agree.

[865] That would be fascinating.

[866] I can't imagine there's a ton of prisoners who are like, yes, to toilet wine themselves.

[867] I'm an alcoholic, but I won't fucking drink.

[868] No to, I'm going to say no to toilet wine.

[869] Who knows?

[870] Who knows?

[871] I mean, but anyway, you got to do what you got to do.

[872] Fuck, Teresa Nore.

[873] God, that was crazy.

[874] She's awful.

[875] Awful.

[876] I don't, yeah, so I, yeah, it's, watch the cold case file.

[877] I will.

[878] Ann, did you know they're all, they're all streaming on, you can get them on, demand somewhere not on demand but like on your dvr no wait on like if you have direct tv or apple or yeah um every single one is on except for that one are you serious i had to go to youtube to find it's on youtube it's called mommy something look up look up cold hastiles mommy it's episode season two episode 24 it's so dark it makes it extra dark when you're from the place where you hear the story because you can totally i can picture her house dress i think i kept ask like I mean, in it, I was like, I'm going to ask Karen where this is.

[879] This is insane.

[880] Can picture her house dress like a flowery nurses, like big.

[881] Dirty.

[882] Kind of like country powder blue.

[883] Yeah, slipper.

[884] Like little tiny flowers on it.

[885] Slippers.

[886] Essentially what I fucking wear every day.

[887] Let's be honest.

[888] Oh, man. She bought it up pick and save.

[889] It's dark.

[890] It's dark.

[891] There's bad vibes.

[892] Well, these are just, um, because people, very often tweet us, have you read this?

[893] Have you seen this?

[894] And there are things that are happening modern day.

[895] Right.

[896] And they're often like the craziest or the most fascinating kind of true crime of today.

[897] And we don't always talk about it, which I know it's like it's what a lot of people are in it for.

[898] Yeah.

[899] And I wish we could do.

[900] There's so many of those.

[901] I'm like, this is insane, but there's no details yet.

[902] Exactly.

[903] It's a breaking story.

[904] Right.

[905] So what I did was I started my this week's murder.

[906] Didn't, I wasn't making any good, uh, kind of like strategic decisions as I was watching the case because I stumbled upon a BBC show that it was a Reddit, it was a Reddit link to a BBC show called BBC Horizons that I think has been on in England for a long time.

[907] This is what it looked like because there's like each, each one had different opening credits that one looked like 1978 and one looked like the 90s it's like they're they're unsolved mysteries it's been on forever and so it was like the mystery of blank so like there's a thing in Florida called the Florida Circle I don't know if you've ever heard of that but that I was watching half of that when I was like stop watching TV because it was like oh my God can you get it online I mean where can you get it you can it's just put into see here's the problem it was a Reddit link so I was watching off of that and then suddenly the title started turning Russian writing and And then at one point, I tried to click off, and then it turned into, like, a Russian -looking Facebook page.

[908] Uh -oh.

[909] Did she get hacked?

[910] It said something like, the name of it, it wasn't Facebook.

[911] It was like, okay, summertime.

[912] And I was like, oh, I should throw this computer away now.

[913] Absolutely.

[914] They're watching you.

[915] But now, but I only have half my script done.

[916] So I have to keep it for a little while.

[917] But I mean, like, yeah, yeah, I made a terrible, you don't click links on Reddit, but I did.

[918] Yes, you do.

[919] Well, anyway.

[920] That's a fun part of you read it.

[921] It makes it exciting.

[922] So anyway, the story that I was watching and going to do isn't really a murder.

[923] Like, it's a lot of, it's a fascinating story about a mummy that they found in Iran, or the seller was in Iran that had it.

[924] And it turned out it was from Pakistan.

[925] and that was, it was like, it was very newsworthy because the only mummies have ever been from Egypt.

[926] Egypt is the only place that did ancient mummification ritual.

[927] So this one might have been stolen?

[928] So, well, they were, they didn't know and it was like, look kind of weird and different.

[929] And then you see it, it's like, it's, it drew me in so quickly.

[930] And then it was like, but it was, it turned into a like ancient Persia fucking Xerxes.

[931] Like, it was, it was, the reading the cuneiform writing on it said that it was the daughter of xerxes um who was the ruler of the of the of the persian empire i mean it's all this shit i have no idea what i'm actually saying right now you sound really smart the bbc can do that for you yeah they can i'm gonna watch this one special anyway it turned out so this woman who's actually i mean i guess i'll just i wasn't going to talk about this one at all but it's really cool because the woman um who started looking into it was a scientist named Asma Abraham.

[932] And she taught herself how to read cuneiform so that she could figure out what it said on the stone coffin part.

[933] Oh, my God.

[934] And then that's how she figured out it said, I'm the daughter of Xerxes.

[935] So it was this Persian princess from the ancient Persian Empire.

[936] But then she was like looking at all the details, whatever.

[937] she's sending things off to experts all around the world.

[938] So they have the cuneiform expert in London.

[939] They send the mat that's underneath the actual mummy off to get carbon -dated.

[940] They do all these things, right?

[941] And then there is a scientist that's in, I think it said he's the leading archaeologist in Iran.

[942] And he was, he's the one that came out and said, we don't have mummies in Iran.

[943] and they don't have them in Pakistan.

[944] They are only from Egypt.

[945] Therefore, if this is a Persian princess, then that changes like history books.

[946] That means that there must be, it was just this whole thing, right?

[947] Well, then as the information starts to come back and this Dr. Ibrahim is investigating everything, she's starting to notice little, like, where quirky things are standing out.

[948] Consistency.

[949] Yeah, so the cuneiform looks weird.

[950] And she, you know, that's why she sent it to the guy in London that was the expert.

[951] And she, you know, there's like little differences in the mummification process or whatever.

[952] And eventually they come to find out they send it off to get x -rayed because they were like, well, in the Egyptian mummification process, they empty out the body of the internal organs.

[953] they dry out the inner body and they put a drying agent in it they put the heart back in because the heart is where the heart is where your brain they believed your brain was so when cram that brain out you got to have that brain they pull your actual brain out through your nose right yep they stick a thing in there and they basically mix your brain around until it's jelly and your brain runs out your nose no no no no no no no yes and but you still have your heart which is your real brain which I thought was very beautiful.

[954] And so when they x -rayed it, the heart was in there.

[955] It was no, there were no internal organs.

[956] It was all the things.

[957] The brain was, you know, whatever.

[958] But they start to notice, like, the Egyptians, it was very, it's like surgical precision.

[959] So the incision that they would make to take the inner organs out was three inches.

[960] This one was eight on this body.

[961] So it's a novice.

[962] Right.

[963] They, the Egyptians would go up the nose to do that mixing.

[964] thing with the brain.

[965] They, on this mummy, had broken all these bones up in the palate.

[966] So they had done it.

[967] It's not the way.

[968] Yeah, yeah.

[969] Because this was like a sacred ritual.

[970] So they don't just like fuck it up.

[971] Right.

[972] Especially if it's like a princess.

[973] Especially, yes, exactly.

[974] Especially Xerxes's daughter.

[975] He was from according to that one movie, he was humongous.

[976] Okay.

[977] So, uh, then Dr. Osses.

[978] Asma Ibrahim finds pencil lines on the outer wooden box pencils were invented 250 years ago or 300 years ago I think she said or they said lead pencils so they're like this is a total this is bullshit then they get the carbon dating from the mat that was underneath the mummy back and it was made 50 years ago so they're like what the fuck is this so then they get a doctor to cut it open.

[979] Also, they had taken CT scans so they could see inside, like the x -ray.

[980] The x -ray shows you, like, through, but then the CT scans, it's like if you got cut all the way down, they can see each individual slice.

[981] And that's how they discovered that the body that had been mummified, the spine was broken in two places at the neck and at the lower back.

[982] Oh, my God, oh, my God.

[983] Yeah.

[984] So they're like, okay, this is not this Persian princess.

[985] What was her name?

[986] Like Rodriguez or something really hard to pronounce.

[987] And they open up the mummy.

[988] And you can see it on this show.

[989] They show it.

[990] It's so fucking cool.

[991] My toes are curling.

[992] Cut it open.

[993] This doctor, they just saw it open like with a bone sock.

[994] Because it's plumified?

[995] Well, because the outer cloth that the mummy is wrapped in.

[996] So you're bandaged.

[997] like a Halloween mummy inside.

[998] Your arms are crossed over your chest.

[999] That's how you know it's royalty.

[1000] Huh.

[1001] And then they wrap the whole body in a resin -saturated cloth.

[1002] So it hardened.

[1003] And that's what makes it hard.

[1004] Got it.

[1005] So to cut that open, they pull it apart.

[1006] And it had gray hair.

[1007] Huh.

[1008] And it was a woman.

[1009] And they actually made a computer -generated image of what her face might look like based on so cool when they do that i know right based on the skull and then based on the area that she that they said it was found which was near the afghan border they're like women of this age usually look like this yeah yeah so now they have a murder case on their hands shut your so when is she from what's that when is she when is she from she had only died uh so they can't they mummified the body um like when they discovered all this they backdated it was like she'd only died four years ago or something and so someone went and got their fucking their mat from their back porch yep uh wait let me see i don't know why that's just such a weird part to me where it's like well we got to put her on a mat yeah why they didn't oh she died in 1996 holy that's what they found out um but i can't remember i i i don't have it where that compares to what but basically what happened is in the mummification process they had to like they had to collect all their they had to make their plan they had to assemble the team of stone masons and these foragers and all these people that would be able to make this mummy look so realistic because when you see it it's actually really beautiful and cool looking there's like they have this gold it's like a crown of cypress trees as her crown and then this face mask that they basically made it's based on a different mummy very early mummy's face mask so it doesn't It doesn't look like King Tut.

[1010] Yeah.

[1011] It's much more like handmade looking.

[1012] It was really cool.

[1013] They basically just had these perfect forgers and then just made these little tiny stakes.

[1014] So a lot of people were in on it.

[1015] A lot of people were in on it.

[1016] And then they don't know if they robbed a grave to get like the freshest body or if they killed somebody.

[1017] But the person who died died violently, which is why they think it's a murder case.

[1018] I am in shock right now.

[1019] Isn't it nuts out?

[1020] That is the craziest story.

[1021] Here's the other thing.

[1022] Since this time, two more quote -unquote Persian mummies have been offered on the black market for $6 million each.

[1023] When this one showed up first and it was - You can sell a mummy.

[1024] What's that?

[1025] You can sell a mummy.

[1026] On the black market.

[1027] The antiquities market, the black market, the black market for antiquities, you can do anything you want because it's just people robbing places and then selling these artifacts.

[1028] That's why they're great.

[1029] That's why there are tomb robbers and shit.

[1030] Right.

[1031] But this mummy was estimated, they were getting prices up to a billion dollars because this mummy was so groundbreaking of like, oh my God, there's never been a Persian mummy before.

[1032] This has never happened.

[1033] Well, I wonder if they'd even buy it if they knew it was a fake because it's just done so well.

[1034] Well, but it's done so well, but you've, there's a murdered body inside of it.

[1035] Yeah.

[1036] Yeah, but people who buy black market mummies give a shit?

[1037] yeah i think they'd still want it to be a legit mummy because also then you're spending all that money they're spending that money for the history of it they want that like this is from the sands of time or whatever someone would take a fucking fat discount to be like no this is just really well done forge or re but of a dead person hey man they're like yeah give me some coke while you're while you're in some heroin oh because they're just into bad stuff because they're black market i think of black market buyers and sellers is like scary spies like they're not it's not they're not historians not in the least you know what you you just provided me my transition oh now i'm going to tell you this next story did you hear about this one the 20 year old british model who um she went to milan because she believed that she had gotten a modeling job and uh i bet she and she did and it went great yeah it went Great.

[1038] And now she is Carla Devignan.

[1039] I don't know how to say her name.

[1040] No. She had an agent that sent her, and the agent, whose name is Phil Green, said that this was a recognized studio in the city center of Milan.

[1041] So he didn't think he was sending her to some fly -by -night thing.

[1042] Sure.

[1043] Plus, like, you're like, someone's paying to send me to Milan.

[1044] Like, this has to be legit.

[1045] Yeah.

[1046] When she gets there, a man grabs her by the.

[1047] the neck one man grabs her by the neck another one injects her with a dose of anesthetic of ketamine so so much of it that it knocks her to the ground then she gets put into a suitcase no no no no no no no no not small places please yes this model yeah oh and then they drive her around unwinding unpaved roads for more than two hours bound hand and foot with tape across her mouth.

[1048] Oh my God.

[1049] She's taken to a rural house in northern Italy, and she's kept handcuffed to a wooden dresser.

[1050] And then she is put on sale online on the dark web.

[1051] Dude, this dark web.

[1052] The dark web.

[1053] She, she's put on sale, but then at the same time, a ransom demand gets sent to her agent for $300 ,000.

[1054] Okay.

[1055] So he knows, he knows at this point.

[1056] For how much?

[1057] $300 ,000.

[1058] That's not a lot.

[1059] of money, right?

[1060] I mean, yeah, you'd think if you're going to do a crime like this, you might want to What if he's like, okay?

[1061] Just shoot for the moon.

[1062] Yeah.

[1063] So, she, when she's stuck there, she tells him she has a child, the man that's there.

[1064] And so then he puts her back in the suitcase.

[1065] I don't know, yeah, I think he does.

[1066] And drives her to the British embassy in Milan.

[1067] Why is this funny?

[1068] He drops her off at the British embassy.

[1069] Because she has a kid?

[1070] Yeah.

[1071] And he reported that killing mothers was against the rules of the shadowy criminal organization that this guy belonged to.

[1072] What?

[1073] They end up arresting him.

[1074] He is.

[1075] Wait.

[1076] So wait, they were going to sell her for sex or to be murdered?

[1077] Like this was someone, they were someone to get killed.

[1078] I don't do they sell people just to be killed probably yeah I don't know I don't either I'm sure for sex or to be a sex slave or to be trafficked have some terrible thing happen you know I mean it's so sad because if we're hearing about this story there's a million others that didn't end up right how many people that don't have agents that don't have anybody that are like oh somebody thinks I'm a model or money to pay ransom yeah oh my god so the guy's name is Lucas Powell Herba and he's from, he's a Polish citizen with British residency.

[1079] And he's the one that drops her off.

[1080] And then he later gets arrested.

[1081] Oh my God.

[1082] And they also were holding her passport so she couldn't leave the country until she gave evidence at her pre -trial hearing.

[1083] What?

[1084] Because when she told the story, they didn't believe her.

[1085] Are you fucking, they wouldn't let her go home.

[1086] Right.

[1087] because they were like we have to see what's going on we don't understand what this is all about and then it turned out that her her agent the cops like everybody were and then the guy that did it were all telling the exact same story and they were like okay it really happened I apologize say you're sorry that's what's important Milan say you're sorry wow that's awful are you ready for the next one absolutely and stephen tell me tell me when I go too long because I because it might be too long No, we still did.

[1088] Okay.

[1089] Four hours later.

[1090] For real.

[1091] So this is my favorite because for like in the early 2000s, there was a viral video that like an apartment website put out that had a girl.

[1092] It looked like night vision video and it was a girl coming out of a cupboard in an apartment in New York.

[1093] And it was this story.

[1094] quote unquote was that she was living in the apartment and they didn't know yeah well that was all viral that was oh it was yeah i didn't know that because she kind of had like long black um like it looked like the ring girl hair japanese horror film totally and she crawled out in the scariest way yeah um and i was live when we found that video and didn't know we watched it at work 50 times we would just stand around screaming and watching it was amazing i mean it was an amazing piece of literature fiction yeah well here's a story i found um this happened in uh pittsburgh jerome kennedy decided to stall install a camera inside his attic after he was hearing noises coming from the ceiling above his bedroom no according to police um he called them a few days earlier because he heard someone up there at night, but they didn't find anything.

[1095] So he decided to put cameras in his attic.

[1096] What would you do?

[1097] To see what was going on.

[1098] I would leave.

[1099] And everything.

[1100] I certainly wouldn't take the time to put cameras in, but he did it.

[1101] Um, and he, when he gets the footage back, the footage shows his neighbor, Robert Harvilla, Havrilla, crawling through the attic.

[1102] So there They live in like a Like a condo thing where they share a wall And he has gone up into his attic And then crawled over into this guy's side And he's carrying In the video you can see him It's so fucking creepy I'm not seeing this He's carrying a drill and a light And then he just lies on the vent That overlooks Kennedy's bed And his daughter's crib For about What does that say?

[1103] For about 30 minutes.

[1104] So he just looks through the vent for half an hour.

[1105] You're just being watched sleeping.

[1106] Yeah.

[1107] What if he just was like, I just, I don't relaxes me. A nice, a sweet baby, a little sweet baby.

[1108] I like to see other people's lives.

[1109] I'm not perverted.

[1110] Not even when they're awake.

[1111] I just want to see how happy they look when they're sleeping.

[1112] The man who did its attorney who got caught on video told the wife.

[1113] Washington Post that he has no criminal record whatsoever.

[1114] And they're making this seem like a negative situation, but it's really not.

[1115] There are some things that haven't been said that'll clear everything up eventually.

[1116] Oh, okay.

[1117] So what are some of those things?

[1118] Like you're mentally owned?

[1119] Um, he was installing a mobile for that baby, but he just wanted to make sure.

[1120] Oh, can you imagine walking into your daughter's bedroom in the morning and there's just a mobile that's that you didn't get there.

[1121] A surprise mobile.

[1122] With the scary best.

[1123] It's just all fucking skeletons and nightmares.

[1124] It's just got nightmares.

[1125] I mean, I just, God bless.

[1126] That's my favorite.

[1127] That's my favorite.

[1128] Did he go to jail?

[1129] Do they still live next door to each other?

[1130] I mean, he didn't do anything wrong according to his lawyer.

[1131] Why would he go to jail?

[1132] He didn't, it's a super positive situation.

[1133] It's not negative.

[1134] It's positive.

[1135] To be crawling in the attic with a drill.

[1136] With a drill.

[1137] Here's the last one.

[1138] This is insane and awful.

[1139] And you probably heard about it because a bunch of people sent us this one from the BBC news.

[1140] Oh, that, sorry.

[1141] That was from the Washington Post.

[1142] The story of The Man in the Attic was from the Washington Post.

[1143] Okay.

[1144] And the first, the mummies from BBC Horizon, the Horizon series, which...

[1145] My new favorite show.

[1146] It is, there's stuff on it was so cool.

[1147] I want to watch all of them.

[1148] It reminds me of, Stephen, what was that book you got us, The Lifetime?

[1149] Mysteries of the Unexplained.

[1150] Yeah, yeah.

[1151] From the, like with the cover, like the leather covers and the different things.

[1152] Time Life Series.

[1153] Time Life Series.

[1154] That's what it reminds me of.

[1155] Can I tell you my new favorite show?

[1156] Yeah.

[1157] Really quickly.

[1158] I meant to tell you about this earlier.

[1159] It's called Suddenly Rich.

[1160] It's like on TLC.

[1161] And it's just people who suddenly wouldn't like get a windfall.

[1162] And it's like these.

[1163] And how they can't handle it.

[1164] How happy it makes their lives.

[1165] It's just like if you are reading about murder and you need a podcast.

[1166] positive thing.

[1167] Oh.

[1168] It's like one guy who like you had a throw at a basketball game, all these like shots.

[1169] And if you did it, you won all this money.

[1170] And he was like a poor kid from like South America who had come on a scholarship and how to work his ass off.

[1171] And then like suddenly won this money.

[1172] And this woman who found like a painting in the trash in New York and it was worth a million.

[1173] Like it's just like super cool show.

[1174] That was the best.

[1175] Dude.

[1176] Finding like, did you see the documentary about the lady who found the Jackson Pollock painting?

[1177] Yeah.

[1178] No, I didn't see it.

[1179] But it was similar to that where it was just like famous artist and it turned out it was stolen and all this crazy shit yes that's cool so suddenly rich suddenly rich when you need a fucking break it's not about my uncle rich okay um okay so this one is fucked up it this uh it happened in denmark um a respected freelance journalist named kim wall who was researching a feature about a man named peter madsen who had built his own private 40 ton submarine what called the uc Nautilus, yes.

[1180] Oh, I did hear this one.

[1181] He built that through crowdfunding in 2008, and she went down to meet him to take a tour.

[1182] It's not supposed to, like, hold people, but, like, they can show.

[1183] She was writing about it.

[1184] Yes, it was like, he was doing, like, she was doing, like, a human interest piece about it.

[1185] That's what so troubling to me about this one is that, like, I wouldn't be like, don't go alone.

[1186] It's like, you're a journalist and you're writing a piece about this person.

[1187] A person who runs two companies and see, and is a very relatively public figure in his country.

[1188] For as much as we're like, be careful, don't trust anyone.

[1189] It's like, but yeah, there's certain situations where you'd be like, well, of course it's fine.

[1190] It's her job.

[1191] But, okay, so, um, so she meets him there.

[1192] She's last seen alive August 10th as she departs with Mr. Madsen on his self -made water vessel, underwater vessel.

[1193] Um, she met around 7 o 'clock on Thursday, um, in the harbor area of Copenhagen.

[1194] and she got on the submarine.

[1195] The last picture of the two of them were in the subs conning tower taken by a man from a cruise ship.

[1196] So they saw the little submarine out there and people were taking pictures of them.

[1197] I didn't know that.

[1198] There's a photo of them?

[1199] Of the two of them on the subway, yeah.

[1200] Yeah.

[1201] And the sun's, it's like right before sunset.

[1202] And I mean, this is all on the internet.

[1203] can see all these pictures um but then uh kim wahl's partner reported her missing um the next morning i believe it was 2 30 in the morning when she never came back from this trip so uh initially um peter mattsin uh told everybody that he had dropped um miss wall off after dark um that night at the halvandet restaurant on the northern tip of Riftchalillon, very close to where they originally met.

[1204] Did you buy that?

[1205] It was good.

[1206] Hey, guys, I dropped her on.

[1207] There's people in Denmark laughing so hard at this.

[1208] I know.

[1209] Do you want Denmark to listen to this?

[1210] I dropped her for a restaurant.

[1211] No big deal.

[1212] The restaurant owner, Bo Peterson, said that the area is very covered by CCTV and he handed the video footage to the police.

[1213] Soon after that, Peter Manson changed his story.

[1214] then he said that there was an accident on the submarine while they were on it and he had to bury her body at sea what the that alone like if that were true is just the is insane if that were true the first story wouldn't have happened right because you would immediately pull out and be like i'm so traumatized this horrible thing happened yeah um 10 days later a headless torso that had been waded down with metal is found in the waters off of Denmark and is identified as Kim Wall.

[1215] Oh, no. They believe that Mr. Madsen deliberately sank his 40 -ton submarine hours after the search for her began.

[1216] Oh, my God.

[1217] So here's the bad part.

[1218] The torso, the arms, legs, and head were removed from the body.

[1219] As a result of deliberate cutting, Mm -hmm.

[1220] And which means that he did that to her in his submarine.

[1221] Dough.

[1222] Which probably means he planned to do it because how, what would you have that would cut a person on a submarine?

[1223] Why would you have that handy?

[1224] I mean, I don't know.

[1225] I don't know.

[1226] Submarines, maybe there's an answer, but like, did you bring a hacksaw onto your submarine?

[1227] Yeah.

[1228] The lead investigator also revealed that the blood found on the sunken submarine was confirmed as Kim Walls.

[1229] Mr. Mattson's lawyer said he does not confess to anything and pleads not guilty.

[1230] It wasn't a negative thing.

[1231] Yeah.

[1232] The DNA match doesn't change my client's explanation that an accident happened.

[1233] And okay.

[1234] What could have happened?

[1235] Right?

[1236] this guy is the skipper and designer of the UC3 Nautilus, a privately owned submarine and reports describe him as a hobby engineer.

[1237] It's not clear what his background or training is while building his own crowdfunded submarine which is insane.

[1238] Like you guys, there's charities that you can crowd.

[1239] You can give money to.

[1240] Give me money to make my own adult boy submarine.

[1241] So he gets it built, then he has volunteers and people working on it with him.

[1242] But then in 2008, he moves on to what they call a more lofty ambition, space exploration.

[1243] So he's like Denmark's Elon Musk, essentially.

[1244] So he's now running the rocket mats and space laboratory, which is also funded.

[1245] Can we call it a laboratory, please?

[1246] What, what?

[1247] Could we call it a laboratory?

[1248] A laboratory.

[1249] filled with aluminum and that's also funded by donations the aim is to launch a rocket from a floating platform in the Baltic and send a person into outer space again so many hungry children I mean do we need to keep giving money to fuck it I mean I it doesn't it really doesn't seem like it um so it turned out that he was they were talking about that he had a dispute with the group of volunteers that were maintaining the sub and he left them this message on a website um you may think that a curse is lying on the nautilus that curse is me um there will not be peace on nautilus for as long as i exist wow what a creep and seemingly he's talking about like these volunteers and some kind of fight that they all got in together or something yeah uh Yeah.

[1250] That is so crazy.

[1251] Isn't that awful?

[1252] Yeah.

[1253] And creepy and...

[1254] The weird thing is like...

[1255] If that were...

[1256] Why take off her head and limbs?

[1257] Like, clearly you're hiding something.

[1258] Yes.

[1259] Shit.

[1260] Oh, I didn't think of a positive thing this week.

[1261] Oh, yeah, you have to think of one.

[1262] Okay.

[1263] You know what?

[1264] I'm really excited for our tour.

[1265] No, not fair.

[1266] Fuck, okay.

[1267] That's not a thing that happened to you.

[1268] You're right.

[1269] That's the future.

[1270] Well, I was going to say I went bowling at this tiny bowling alley in Montrose.

[1271] And did I show you that picture?

[1272] It's the cutest.

[1273] It's like almost a third of the size of a normal bowling alley.

[1274] And it's totally from like the early 60s, maybe late 50s.

[1275] Oh my God.

[1276] And it's not all modernized?

[1277] No, no, not at all.

[1278] And it's like, it was Dave Anthony's birthday.

[1279] Yeah.

[1280] And it was super fun.

[1281] But they, like, you can rent it out for private.

[1282] parties.

[1283] Oh my God.

[1284] Where's Montrose?

[1285] It's the one that's kind of up and so once again up in the hills.

[1286] It's kind of by Altadena.

[1287] Okay.

[1288] Like basically if you just drive right above Glendo.

[1289] Sure, sure, sure.

[1290] Oh, okay.

[1291] Um, and it was just perfect.

[1292] It was like my favorite party because there was chatting and lots of people that I love.

[1293] And there wasn't like crazy loud music so you can't talk to anyone like at a bar.

[1294] No. And also people would bowl, but then they would stop bowling because, you know, you only want to do that for a certain amount of time.

[1295] I love bowling alley parties.

[1296] Yeah.

[1297] That's a great idea.

[1298] I think I might have a party there.

[1299] I'm going.

[1300] Can I come?

[1301] You're like, actually, no, you're not.

[1302] I just invited myself to you.

[1303] Stephen told me not to invite you.

[1304] I just invited myself to your party.

[1305] You're automatically invited to the party.

[1306] Yeah.

[1307] I'm automatically coming, so it's a pause.

[1308] Okay, good.

[1309] My dad came over today and helped me with my finances.

[1310] Oh, how was that?

[1311] It was good.

[1312] He didn't yell.

[1313] There was a moment where I could hear the tension in his voice.

[1314] I also don't think he knew what he was doing.

[1315] Right.

[1316] I think in the long run, all it was was someone was sitting there with me saying, you have to do this now and there were 14 times where if I had been on my own you would have just walked away there were 14 times like I'm just going to do this later I'm just not going to do this and he was like well let's just do this and then we can do that and I like ended up doing it that's great and it worked that's great yeah and it just made me it made me happy that was a huge weight lifted off your shoulders huge weight but also like kind of gave me that like oh dad that's what dad's for that's right he didn't know what he was doing he was like I was going to be a CPA and something and a money lawyer with our tax lawyer and I dropped out and I'm like what the fuck are you doing here I thought you know what you were he's like I'm not really good with numbers I thought you were didn't he really say that yes that's so funny but he ended up just sitting there while I did a bunch of things and like I had someone to I was like well this number is this and he was like he just sat there and it was great that's so good so it was really nice and yeah my dad was very patient when I went through my extreme financial crisis because I never said a word to him about it because he is so paranoid about money and he's so on he's been on it like he used to lecture me about you have to make sure you get your taxes done from when I was like in junior high it was just like a reminder it would be like and never you don't want the government after you he'd always say shit like that's such a doubt my dad did that too my dad gave me got me my first bank account it's what they do yeah it's what they're into he's like braces and a bank account that's what I can provide you not a ton of affection I'm not good life advice because my life isn't, is in shambles.

[1317] Well, that's good.

[1318] That makes me, I get a lot of relief from that.

[1319] You do too because it's also your finances.

[1320] 100%.

[1321] Because it's my favorite murder finances that I screwed up really.

[1322] You have a bonus in that we're not going to get arrested.

[1323] Yes, that's very true.

[1324] But also, you, here's your bonus in me. I could never judge you.

[1325] If you were like, hey, sorry, I lost everything.

[1326] I know.

[1327] I'd be like, oh, well, because there's nothing I can say.

[1328] I said that today where he was like, you got it.

[1329] You should make sure, because if some of it was my favorite murder stuff, he was like, you should make sure Karen can see all this so she knows, like, you're playing her well.

[1330] And I'm like, oh, no, she knows.

[1331] She knows and she knows how fucked I've made it.

[1332] And she's cool with it.

[1333] Yep.

[1334] So, like, huge weight off my shoulders that you are okay with it.

[1335] Of course.

[1336] Here's the thing.

[1337] At the end of the day, and I'm not, this sounds phony.

[1338] It's only money.

[1339] Now, when I don't have money, I don't really feel that way.

[1340] No. No one does.

[1341] No one does.

[1342] But truly, people do such terrible fucking things to themselves and to each other because of money.

[1343] I've seen it happen.

[1344] It's very bad.

[1345] And when people are focused on that, at the end of the day, think of it, you get a check.

[1346] Obviously, a lot of us are in, you get into a bad place where you're like, yes, $5 ,000 would solve this, this, and this.

[1347] That's true.

[1348] But if you were above level and then you had to be able to.

[1349] a $5 ,000 check.

[1350] This is what happened to me when I worked, when I had my first big job.

[1351] Yeah.

[1352] All I did was work.

[1353] And so I had absolutely no life.

[1354] And I just collected money and bought cashmere sweaters from J -Crew.

[1355] That's all I did.

[1356] Because you thought you had to spend it because you were working so hard.

[1357] It was the only thing I could figure out to do to like, oh, maybe this will make me happy.

[1358] So I had cashmere sweaters in every color.

[1359] And I was more miserable than I've ever been in my life.

[1360] And that's when I learned that lesson of like, I wasn't doing stand -up.

[1361] I wasn't performing.

[1362] I was just a behind -the -scenes, behind -the -camera person that was giving all of my creativity to someone else.

[1363] And it was fucking killing me. So it didn't matter how many fucking cashmere sweaters I had.

[1364] You showed up in at work because you showed up at a miserable job.

[1365] Yeah.

[1366] You know, my thing, too, is that, like, I've been poor before.

[1367] I've, like, pretty much up until I was 32, been paycheck to paycheck from childhood on.

[1368] Yeah.

[1369] And it's not the fucking, you can.

[1370] you still can have happiness and survive 100 % like you're not not happy because you don't have money it sucks and there is a part of you that's unhappy because of it but you still get to have positive life experiences so money I mean money is not going to take that away from us that's right well and also sometimes when you have to get a little creative you can have better and more rich life experiences because you're actually kind of in the mix whereas I think sometimes when you have money and security you become very isolated and you also start living lives that other people can't relate to.

[1371] Yeah.

[1372] So you're just, you're just kind of like, you know, we're, we're fucking tenacious.

[1373] Or what was the other one?

[1374] Resilient.

[1375] Resilient.

[1376] This is why I'll always support all the murderingos who make shit on Etsy and sell it, like my favorite murder stuff.

[1377] Hell yeah.

[1378] Because like, hell yeah.

[1379] I wish I had had that when I was fucking broke.

[1380] Yes.

[1381] Make that fucking money, you guys.

[1382] Create your awesome art projects and the cool shit.

[1383] If you're good at calligraphy, yeah.

[1384] Right up some shit.

[1385] Amazing.

[1386] Amazing.

[1387] Just don't, don't, there's one person who's selling our logo.

[1388] go on something oh no you have to make it you have to make it you have to make it you have to earn it and don't be afraid to give us credit since it is our show just just plug our show is all yes yeah we are you which they do pretend you fucking made it up give us credit take your take your money take your dirty blood money literally you guys thanks for listening we love you stay sexy don't get murdered bye bye yeah Elvis want a cookie Yeah, yeah.

[1389] Mimi, want a cookie?

[1390] Mimie?

[1391] Elvis.

[1392] Yeah, he's like, yes.