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[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Hey, this is exciting.

[2] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[3] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[4] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[5] Who killed Saz?

[6] And were they really after Charles?

[7] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[8] This season, murder hits close to home.

[9] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[10] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[11] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[12] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[13] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[14] Only murders in the building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[15] Goodbye.

[16] Hello!

[17] Welcome here.

[18] This is my favorite murder.

[19] The podcast.

[20] Where?

[21] come on I can't I don't want to do it anymore where we talk about murder and true crime and finish our sentences and that's it it's there's no fucking no there's no frills oh you're going to stop doing puns absolutely not oh okay I just mean that this moment at the opening oh right right oh we're going to clear the opening real professional about it no place for puns it's no place for half sentences that the other person finishes you know quirky shit this is not business this is a business podcast.

[22] This is supposed to be a crime podcast.

[23] Yeah, but also comedy.

[24] Yeah.

[25] Your sister told you to listen to it.

[26] She's been telling you forever.

[27] You don't need to open it.

[28] You never listen to her.

[29] And you don't like puns.

[30] She knows that.

[31] So we're not going to do that in the beginning.

[32] No, they were catering all this to you.

[33] Yeah.

[34] Bitchy, bitcherman.

[35] Ashley Bitcherman.

[36] Ashley Bitterman.

[37] Oh my God.

[38] I went to college with Ashley Bitterman and it sounds like she's not nice, but she's one of the nicest girls on our dorm floor.

[39] I feel so bad for her name.

[40] Like, you know, like, you think she would have changed it at some point.

[41] You know what she did?

[42] She tried to do that thing.

[43] We're like, it's Bicherman.

[44] And it's like, Ashley, it's not Bicherman and everyone knows it.

[45] And even if it is, it doesn't matter because we're going to say Bitterman.

[46] We don't care that it's Austrian.

[47] Like, it's Bitterman.

[48] No one believes that you live in that castle from the poster.

[49] Ashley with two E's.

[50] It's Ashley Bacherman.

[51] The end is silent.

[52] Bichermann.

[53] Listen, Ashley, this is the part of the podcast.

[54] Look, bitcherman.

[55] This is the part of the podcast that we started just last week.

[56] We're going to read you some of the names of the subgroups from the Facebook page since we shut down the main Facebook page.

[57] Everyone's looking for a place to belong.

[58] We get that.

[59] We understand.

[60] Why not be very specific about it?

[61] That's right.

[62] That's what everyone, it seems, as according to the list Stephen has printed up for us, everyone's gotten real specific.

[63] Or join a few and then find the friends in common in those groups, and those are your new best friends.

[64] Yes, you start a Venn diagram group of the combination of things.

[65] Say, for example.

[66] Some of your choices.

[67] For example, say that you're in the Facebook group Fear and Murder in Las Vegas, the Las Vegas murderinos.

[68] Nice.

[69] That's a good one.

[70] Or how about SSDJPS, say stay sexy, don't join a pyramids game.

[71] Oh, that's fun.

[72] And incredibly specific.

[73] Yeah, I want to read stories of people on pyramids games.

[74] So it must be people that did it, and then they're warning everybody else, like, this is what you need to keep an eye out for.

[75] Yeah.

[76] Super into pyramid schemes, personally.

[77] How about?

[78] And then you're also into, say you're really into HDTV.

[79] Yeah.

[80] As for me, for example.

[81] And so you're also on my favorite open concept kitchen.

[82] Love it.

[83] What about the nailed darinos?

[84] They just love nails.

[85] Finger nails.

[86] Oh, like fingernails.

[87] Fingers and faces, but just the fingers.

[88] And also you love the TV show, 30 Rock, so you're in the 30 Rockerinos.

[89] Sure.

[90] It goes.

[91] How about who do I have to kill to get a date?

[92] It's a singles murderino page.

[93] That's cute.

[94] What about my favorite sensory deprivation tank?

[95] Listen, we're getting specific now.

[96] Is that real?

[97] I swear to get it.

[98] It's right there.

[99] That's amazing.

[100] Yes.

[101] Well, then how about my favorite vegans?

[102] Great.

[103] I mean, I'm going vegan next week.

[104] Are you really?

[105] I'm scared of it.

[106] what's the plan what's the idea one of those like i don't know i'm just trying to be healthy okay how about murderinos working in veterinary medicine in some capacity whether you're a tech receptionist vet kennel help whatever that's the whole name of it so catchy so catchy how about my favorite ashley right that's the thing right and the yeah and you can't i was like so stephen is it just all girls name ashley or people name ashley or what's the actual and he's like i don't know i have to join in.

[107] I'm not named Ashley, so I don't know.

[108] We think it's just Ashley, Ashley's.

[109] Can I end it by reading you this quick little note that we got in our email?

[110] It's called swingerinos.

[111] That's right.

[112] No, that's wrong.

[113] Karen, Georgia, Stephen, pets, after listening about the granny swinging in your last minisode and the MFM subgroups in Facebook in your most recent full episode.

[114] No, I love it.

[115] Go ahead.

[116] It's great.

[117] Please say it's swing dancing.

[118] I thought I might as well let you guys know that while there isn't a public Facebook group, because swingers have their own websites to better protect privacy, there is definitely a swingerino subgroup of well swingers.

[119] Swinging is big where I'm from Utah, Mormons get real bored.

[120] Wow!

[121] And while it keeps, and while it's kept mostly hush, when you do get into the community, you meet some pretty interesting characters.

[122] Yeah, I bet.

[123] Not only are many of Utah's politicians and lawyer swingers, but many murderinos are too.

[124] I'm not involved in the Swing community anymore, but I have friends that are.

[125] And once they saw a recent Instagram post of mine about loving your show, I laughed my ass off when they told me about a recent swing arena meetup night.

[126] I didn't think I need to explain what happens.

[127] I don't think I need to explain how.

[128] Let's just say it's not like paint night.

[129] So even though it's definitely a little weird and a little taboo, just thought you guys would like to know how far your reach goes.

[130] Thank you guys for everything you do.

[131] Monday and Tuesday mornings.

[132] Nope.

[133] Monday and Thursday mornings are my favorite days of the week.

[134] now thanks to your show S -S -D -G -M -A.

[135] I love it.

[136] Do you?

[137] Tell me everything.

[138] Did you ever see that Swingers documentary?

[139] I think people get ideas in their head about like, I'm watching a movie, and therefore, when we talk about Swingers, it's going to be movie bodies and movie people, and it's truly like if you walk through Costco and everybody in the detergent aisle started fucking.

[140] That's what it looks like.

[141] It's weird.

[142] There might be one good -looking person in the detergent.

[143] denial.

[144] But then they're in the in seven, around seven other greased up bodies.

[145] And I think it takes away from the, from the allure and the attractiveness.

[146] Absolutely.

[147] Absolutely.

[148] I mean, sorry.

[149] I just, look, no judgments, do whatever you want.

[150] We just talked about no kink shaming and blitty blue.

[151] But this documentary that I saw, I think it's, I can't, it's called American something.

[152] And truly, these documentarians are so genius because they just, they really captured the minutia.

[153] there's like, there's a table of casseroles that are out.

[154] No. You bring a hot dish show Swinger party.

[155] And they lay down that tarp.

[156] Stephen shows Stephen found.

[157] Stephen wants Karen to get the name right.

[158] Is it, is it American swing?

[159] It might be.

[160] No, no, no. It's the lifestyle.

[161] Okay.

[162] It's the lifestyle from 1999.

[163] Oh, 99.

[164] Yeah.

[165] A banner year for swingers.

[166] I just remember watching it on HBO's real sex.

[167] A banner year for swingers.

[168] You're right.

[169] That's like when the real sex thing, where people started going, oh, other people are into this, too.

[170] Yeah.

[171] Maybe I shouldn't be.

[172] Yeah.

[173] I just think it's like, you, I, the first thing you go to is like a 50 shades, kind of like Christian Gray is waiting for me. And then the world of taboo sex.

[174] But I think it's, I don't know.

[175] Well, how would I know?

[176] Whatever I think it is, I just base it on the documentary I saw.

[177] And then it's just like, it's like retirees in the O .C. in a house it's like same with nudist colonies where it's just like no that you don't see lots like pert titties you see like lots of balls yeah lots of old man balls people who are like yeah I don't give a fuck yeah yeah so god bless I'm yeah that's a lot so what that's it I guess we have to start making shirts swingerinos no pert titty's welcome I'm embarrassed now I shamed you into it I brought you down to my Catholic shame area.

[178] Thank you.

[179] It's comfy here.

[180] What do you got?

[181] Oh, I wanted to say that in the fan cult this month, our live show episode that we're doing exclusively for the fan cult that we put up is from last year.

[182] It's from Detroit, 91.

[183] Karen, you did the parrot murder guy.

[184] And I did the Robeson family cabin murders.

[185] And that's up there.

[186] It was a great show.

[187] Yeah, it was a really fun show.

[188] And, yeah, so check that out.

[189] Yeah, if you join the fan cult, there's all these perks.

[190] And we're basically trying to figure out what are the things that people have asked us for that they really want.

[191] Because, of course, on social media, we hear all the time of like, where's the show I went to?

[192] And why are you always screwing me over?

[193] And it's like, well, we just can't always post like live shows or like, you know, we save those and we put them up when we need to go on vacation or whatever.

[194] And so we can't, we have so many live shows and we've toured so much that we like try to piece them out.

[195] And then it's like, oh, well, if people really want that, they want to pay them.

[196] extra and get into this little fan cult then that's where we're going to start posting things that's right and we're also about to leave on our fucking tour or fall tour so we'll be posting videos from backstage every week we're posting unboxing videos of like amazing gifts that people have been giving us so yeah we're gonna and there's much more stuff planned for the fan cult too like when we just did our minisode that we did in conjunction with the movie searching and then the searching people gave us Sony gave us a bunch of free tickets to searching for the fan cult members.

[197] So there's tons of perks and they're building by the day.

[198] By the minute.

[199] I guess I thought I didn't have anything.

[200] What I realized is I really, I just want to pitch you pyramid scheme style about joining the fancult.

[201] What if the fan cult was a pyramid scheme.

[202] That would be great.

[203] It's a food pyramid scheme though.

[204] We're just getting everyone fat.

[205] It's all about wheat bread and just like the benefits of wheat bread.

[206] And I'm pitching my veganism.

[207] food pyramid scheme right and I'm I'm pitching all pro gluten I'm just like guys the new diet is to overstuff yourself with gluten do it it's about inflammation just targeted inflammation the beauty of targeted inflammation you don't need fillers you just need to eat gluten that's right swell it up that's a quickie should we start I know we usually have so many other things to talk about that's because usually we take like a we've been like taking a week off in between so there's so much going on I mean, I guess I could do a corrections corner about my SARS guard and Scars Guard, you know, confusion a couple weeks ago I had, but everyone knows that by now.

[208] Oh, okay.

[209] I was wrong about that.

[210] Did you know that?

[211] Mm -hmm.

[212] Oh, I'm right there on the Twitter all the time.

[213] I read it all as it comes in.

[214] I haven't been on Twitter in like a few weeks now.

[215] Oh, we miss you a lot.

[216] Thank you.

[217] God, it's, yeah, we talk about it a lot.

[218] As long as you miss me, I'm not coming back.

[219] Okay, that's perfect.

[220] Right.

[221] Once you forget me. Yeah, there's, I mean, What are you going to say?

[222] Are you going to be mean?

[223] What are you going to say?

[224] No, not to you.

[225] I was about to say something about Twitter, but I said Pritter.

[226] Then I just started going like, is this where it ends?

[227] Is this where, is this the part where my brain slides out of my ear and it's all over?

[228] I was actually trying to think of, I was trying to think of something I watched on TV.

[229] Like, I'm excited because once again, it's sin or night.

[230] No, it's over.

[231] Oh, no, wait.

[232] that's, sorry, I'm thinking of a different show.

[233] Have you been binging lots of stuff?

[234] No, yeah, I was thinking of, um, uh, what's the one with Amy Adams?

[235] Oh, a sharp object.

[236] Yeah, that ended.

[237] Thank you for letting me know that there's, like, there's something in the end credits, which I didn't realize.

[238] I would love to talk about the people who made that decision, to talk to them about that decision, because it's odd that they buried a key element of the plot in, the end credits.

[239] Well, what I like, when I read, when I read a bunch of shit about it, what someone theorized basically is that the whole show is from like Amy Adams' perspective, her character's perspective.

[240] Right.

[241] So they can't put this end part that's from this, from Amma's perspective.

[242] So they like put it in there because it's suddenly like, we're out of Amy Adams' character's world.

[243] Okay.

[244] We're suddenly in this crazy other world.

[245] That makes sense except for how many people that just, the second the show's over, you don't, most people don't.

[246] Most people don't.

[247] get through the first page of credits and it's like off and you're on to the next thing i missed it you told me about it i was like holy shit i forgot about that and someone told me again the next night about it was like oh my god that's right and then i watched it and i wonder maybe that's what they were thinking is the excitement of word of mouth yeah yeah so just know that like you know 30 seconds into the end credits after the very last scene which is like my favorite scene of the whole show both of those girls those women's faces deserve fucking amy's just so good look on their This is so good.

[248] Then there's just this, like, little, you know, clip.

[249] There's a key snippet.

[250] It's so good.

[251] It's crucial, and yet it's buried.

[252] Yeah.

[253] Very interesting.

[254] Oh, but that was a good show.

[255] Yeah.

[256] I don't think we talked about it that much because we watched it at different times.

[257] I think it was good as a whole.

[258] Right.

[259] Less so than like episode by episode.

[260] You know what it is?

[261] I felt for me, my friend Jason, who I talked about a lot in the show, but I've known him since we worked at the gap together in San Francisco when we were 20.

[262] Um, and, uh, he started it after me and he was in the, he was in the first episode and he was just like, why is everyone talking about the show?

[263] I don't know and whatever.

[264] And I said, I understand you get through the pilot and you'll, and you will understand you don't like it because you had alcoholics in your family.

[265] And then he got through and he was like, oh my God, that's exactly what it was.

[266] He was starting to get anxious because of all the drinking and what.

[267] it felt like there was a build.

[268] And there's so much guilt going on.

[269] There's so much bad vibes and bad family shit and drinking issues that if you were familiar with them at all, you just go like, I can't do this.

[270] And problems that are like buried by their alcoholism.

[271] And actually I was saying to you last week or like the other day that like I stopped drinking as much and it hit me that maybe it's because of that show.

[272] Sure.

[273] The fucking vodka and a smart water bottle.

[274] Like every time.

[275] Warm daytime or Evian, like the minute I could taste it when she would swig it.

[276] Yeah.

[277] And I just kept looking at her being like, oh, my God, you'd be so much less puffy.

[278] Stop it.

[279] Well, and the thing of, I felt like there was a lack, a tiny, tiny lack of realism in that if you drank all day, around seven, something really fucked up would have happened where I kept waiting for like, okay, this is the part where she's going to hit a kid on a bike or something.

[280] Everyone's driving drunk.

[281] Everyone's driving drunk and everyone's talking all the time drunk.

[282] Yeah.

[283] So it's like there should be more fighting.

[284] There would be like open hand face slaps and stuff.

[285] Like what is happening?

[286] Lots more whispering.

[287] So many more secrets.

[288] There are secrets, but like the secrets would be told.

[289] Here's the same.

[290] There would be no secrets in town.

[291] First of all, I love that.

[292] Is it a long sleep?

[293] I love it.

[294] Anyhow.

[295] I'd tell you something.

[296] Remember high school.

[297] I like.

[298] Spoiler alert.

[299] Oh shit.

[300] No, it's not a spoiler.

[301] But it would be very, yeah.

[302] It just made me be like, well, I'm clearly not as good of an alcoholic as these people are, so I should just stop drinking as much.

[303] So I've stopped drinking as much.

[304] So I would actually like to thank that show for that.

[305] Good.

[306] Keep coming back.

[307] It really works.

[308] No, but I totally get it because it is a real mirror.

[309] You know, the part that got me is she kept going to the same store with the same guy buying, where there is a part of that.

[310] I remember doing that in San Francisco.

[311] be the same guy and I'd be like cigarettes beer cigarettes beer and I became very indignant about it where it's like I'm fucking doing it and you can't keep me from doing it it's like he doesn't want you to stop doing it he's making money off you yeah but he's still looking at you with pity in his eyes well wouldn't when he like sometimes wouldn't you go to a different store every day like for three days not in a tiny town oh yeah not in a fucking wherever they were missura yeah or wherever they were oh man it did make me happy to be from fucking bless it all Orange County for the first time in my life.

[312] Bless it all.

[313] Oh, man. I was like, thank God.

[314] I'm not from Winn Gap.

[315] Ooh, wing gap.

[316] Also, though, when that cop first shows up, I was just like, dude, not on.

[317] Oh, so you're saying the hottest cop in America shows up to.

[318] But he's from Kansas City.

[319] I know.

[320] He's like out of state cop, but still.

[321] It's like, so they send, this is their expert from Kansas City who happens to be like, Captain Hot Bod, get out of here.

[322] I mean, it's TV.

[323] He did.

[324] He was like, get me out of here.

[325] He was like, I need to get out of here.

[326] Maybe.

[327] Oh, she's crazy.

[328] Yeah.

[329] I did.

[330] Oh, spoiler alert.

[331] Yeah.

[332] It's so far past.

[333] But there was a couple great, like, them talking in the bar was like, that's the upside of alcoholism where you're, God damn, I miss just like.

[334] You're clever and you're quick.

[335] Oh, and you love yourself.

[336] And you're just kind of like, get onto this train.

[337] Everything's kind of sexy and messy.

[338] And sloppy.

[339] A little slutty and sexy.

[340] half -tid -out style?

[341] Make -out, out front of the bar.

[342] Get up on that fucking pool table.

[343] Get on it.

[344] What am I talking about?

[345] Wait, no, I am into swinging.

[346] Now that, you know what?

[347] Now that we've talked through this, I am so into swinging.

[348] In a bar.

[349] From a pool table, fucking chandelier.

[350] With some locals.

[351] That's not what they meant, Karen.

[352] Just like, oh, it's not about swings.

[353] Oh, then I like it.

[354] It's not about swinging from a chandelier.

[355] It's about.

[356] Love.

[357] It's about weighing out.

[358] True love.

[359] Patricia Clarkson is one of the greatest.

[360] Amy Adams, first of all, is one of the greatest actresses.

[361] She is so gorgeous.

[362] She played a Disney princess realistically.

[363] Like, you can't scratch her.

[364] And I think she's one of those people that gets ignored because she's so good.

[365] I'd just like to cite that.

[366] Patricia Clarkson is unbelievable.

[367] She was so good in this that I hated her.

[368] I hated her.

[369] I'll hate her forever because she was so good at this.

[370] Hated her.

[371] And I hated that kitchen.

[372] Anytime they went near that kitchen.

[373] There's a lot of.

[374] of things that's so realistic of walking by a doorway and someone like, well, it looks like you're back home and they're like in the doorway, like, fuck, they can't be in the doorway.

[375] Like the sound of the fucking screen door smacking clothes when you came home in the morning kind of a thing.

[376] Oh, I had one of those.

[377] Okay.

[378] Great show.

[379] Good job, everybody.

[380] Great job, everyone.

[381] So, yeah, we did have stuff to talk about.

[382] Ashley, we thought we had nothing to talk about.

[383] But look at us.

[384] We have so much to talk about.

[385] I also have been watching a show called Your Worst Nightmare which does tie into mine this week but it's an ID channel show that's just like you know one of the many they figured out all the different ways to categories true crime so it's like crazy women mean women black widows whatever there's all those but this one is your worst nightmare and it's really perfect because it's basically that theme of what's the creepiest way a true crime murder could happen.

[386] Right.

[387] That's just what I need.

[388] Yeah.

[389] Really good to watch alone at night when the wind's blowing.

[390] Great.

[391] I did that to myself one night where I was like, what am I doing?

[392] Does the wind blow here?

[393] Probably not, but there was, maybe it was just the bad vibes blowing around.

[394] There's a cat in the tree.

[395] Something made one noise and then I went, what am I doing?

[396] What am I doing?

[397] What am I doing?

[398] Well, Vince was out of town over the weekend, so I was like, well, this is going to get ugly.

[399] You know, like, We're going to have fun, Georgia.

[400] And, yeah, I did, I watched the new It with a Scars, SARS -Gard.

[401] A SARS -Guard or a Scars?

[402] One of them, I don't care.

[403] The, yes, the clown is a Scars -Gart.

[404] Stephen?

[405] He's the hot one from Castle Rock.

[406] What?

[407] Which is not related to Peter, Scars -Gard.

[408] The one in it is Bill Scars -Gard.

[409] Right, who's also Castle Rock.

[410] Okay.

[411] Scars -Gard sounds like, how would I?

[412] I, how I would say SARS guard when I'm shit -faced.

[413] So I can't help you.

[414] Anytime you run into any of those men, you can be like, hi, Scars, guard.

[415] And it'll be right.

[416] As long as you do the drunk voice.

[417] And then their security will take you away from them.

[418] I like the idea that they travel in packs, no matter if they're related or not.

[419] If it's a SARS or Scars guard, they're together.

[420] They're in one black SUV.

[421] It's weird in their yearbook.

[422] They didn't even go to high school together, but they're next to each other in the yearbook.

[423] even go to high school and same high school no same year nothing different countries doesn't matter and there are senior quotes to say this guy uh i'm not him i'm not a scars guard i'm a farscar that's not me motherfucker ow okay i think i go first this week yes step i've got the official nod from stephen stephen silent as a mouse over there highly professional he's basically a scars sker Stephen Scards Garden around over there Like a clown in a rain gutter Hey, this is exciting An all new season of only murders in the building Is coming to Hulu on August 27th Steve Martin, Martin Short And Selena Gomez are back As your favorite podcaster, detectives But there's a mystery hanging over everyone Who killed Saz?

[424] And were they really after Charles?

[425] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[426] This season murder hits close to home With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[427] Plus the gang.

[428] is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[429] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[430] Who knows what'll happen once the cameras start to roll?

[431] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, Davey, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[432] Only Martyrs in the building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[433] Goodbye.

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[435] Absolutely.

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[454] Okay, so last week with Boys in the Tracks, it was so much fun with the conspiracy theory elements of it that I love so much.

[455] So I put it into glugel, good little glugel.

[456] What if I had like 99 cents for a brand Google called glugal?

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[458] Glugle, we'll help you look stuff up.

[459] We don't really know that much stuff.

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[461] Stop eating that glue, Georgia.

[462] That's for kindergartners only.

[463] glugel glugel let's see here okay so I looked up like more murders with conspiracy theories and I got fucking got hip to this one that I've actually wanted to do not because of this but like I then found out it had these like conspiracy angles so there's what I've wanted to do at the end we're going to get into conspiracy town beautiful but in the meantime this is the murder of British broadcaster and newsreader, beloved Jill Dando.

[464] Okay.

[465] All right?

[466] Never heard of it.

[467] Okay, great.

[468] I hadn't heard of it either until it was like some like late night E, you know, 10 shocking, famous people murders.

[469] Right.

[470] And this is one of them.

[471] So let me tell you about Jill.

[472] Would you?

[473] Jill Dando was born on November 9th, 1961 in West Supermar, Somerset.

[474] That's a place.

[475] She was smart, well liked, and is even voted head girl at her sixth form college.

[476] Okay.

[477] She's popular and sweet and lovely.

[478] Got it.

[479] Let me give you an image of what she looked like as an adult, just so you haven't like in your head what she was like.

[480] She was like a cross between.

[481] So she becomes a journalist.

[482] I'll tell you all about it.

[483] But just so you have it in your head.

[484] She's a cross between like Diane Sawyer and Lady Diana.

[485] Okay.

[486] So she's this lovely, pretty blonde, British, smart, kind -faced news anchor.

[487] Got it.

[488] But anyways, let's go back.

[489] At 17, she got her first job.

[490] was a trainee reporter for the local weekly newspaper, the Weston Mercury, where her father and brother worked.

[491] So she'd always wanted to be a journalist.

[492] She studied journalism at South Glamorgan Institute of Higher Education in Cardiff.

[493] After five years as a print journalist, she started to work for the BBC.

[494] She becomes a newsreader, which is just what we call it.

[495] Newscaster.

[496] For BBC Radio, Devin in 1985, she transfers to BBC Southwest.

[497] She presented a regional news program with an E at the end of it.

[498] And then in early 1988, she moved from regional to national television in London to present BBC's breakfast news.

[499] So she becomes like the morning anchor essentially.

[500] And so she's like, her fucking star is rising, you know, and she's like in it.

[501] With her new job, she moves to London and she quickly becomes a household name in the BBC National News operation.

[502] Sure.

[503] her warmth and professionalism endeared her two millions she's best known for hit shows like holiday where she fucking just goes on holidays smart dude take that job and give it to me and also a show called Antiques Inspector which I'm like also I want that job how cool is that this is before the road show starts where you have to look through shit I think it's essentially Antiques Roadshow but like original so she's inspecting shit did you just make that up no I swear I think that's what the show is like.

[504] And then in 1995, because you basically just said it's just antiques, but she inspects shit.

[505] Well, it's like antique to row show.

[506] I could have told you that.

[507] I could have gleaned that from the time.

[508] Oh, oh, I didn't even, I thought she was like Inspector Morris.

[509] I get it.

[510] No, yeah.

[511] And then in 1995, she's hired us.

[512] So there's a show called Crime Watch that's been on since 1984.

[513] It's this huge show.

[514] I think it's kind of like how we have the current affair.

[515] It's like the, like, you know, nightly news of, like, current crime profiles and shit.

[516] Dateline.

[517] Dateline.

[518] A dateline?

[519] Yeah.

[520] Yeah, but, like, yes, dateline -y current affair type of thing.

[521] Okay.

[522] So, uh, when it starts in 1984, by 1995, when she gets hired for it, she's only the second co -presenter of the series.

[523] So, like, it's a big fucking deal to get this job.

[524] Got it.

[525] She, it reconstructs major unsolved crimes in order to get new leads from the public to self to help solve them.

[526] So almost like a fancier or like a more official unsolved mystery.

[527] Like like a newsy time.

[528] Got it.

[529] So she's fucking household name now huge.

[530] And there's there is something about her and you should just like watch a clip online where her face, her eyes are just so kind.

[531] She has this beautiful, bright open smile.

[532] She's kind of self -effacing.

[533] Is that right?

[534] Self -deprecating.

[535] Like she just seems like a really kind but very intelligent person.

[536] Someone that like if you get stuck, let's say you get stuck.

[537] stuck in an elevator with on an earth in an earthquake you'd be like this chick's got this taken care of like she just seems to uh embody this competence but it's you know kindness too got she just like seems like a good person and everyone fucking says she is so 1997 she's awarded the BBC personality of the year okay so she's big time then in 1997 in december she's set up on a blind date by a mutual friend with a dude named alan farthing they fall in love he, and I think this is how the friend knew him, is a gynecologist.

[538] Okay.

[539] That's awkward that your friend's like, you've got to meet my gynecologist.

[540] True.

[541] You know what I mean?

[542] Yeah.

[543] But he seems like a nice guy.

[544] There are very free and liberal with their bodies.

[545] And you know what?

[546] There's some people that are gynecologists.

[547] That's right.

[548] Thank God.

[549] Otherwise.

[550] All types of people make up this world.

[551] You know, swingers, gynecologists.

[552] Yes.

[553] That's the whole range.

[554] Friends of the two.

[555] And then friends.

[556] Right.

[557] I just love the idea that you.

[558] just described this woman who seems so ideal in every way, she still has to get set up in blind dates.

[559] Isn't that always the way?

[560] Yeah.

[561] And she was like, they're like she dated this person, dated that person.

[562] And of course it's like in the papers, like in the, you know, what are they, tabloids, like she's dating, Jill Dando's dating this guy, and so she's still just like, I can't find anyone, you know?

[563] And she's like 37 at this point and still has to be fucking set up.

[564] Yeah.

[565] Which is like, guys, that's just how it goes.

[566] It's okay.

[567] She put her career first.

[568] Yeah.

[569] And it worked out.

[570] Sure.

[571] Good for her.

[572] Alan, he seems like a nice guy, they fall in love, and they announced they're engaged in January of 1999.

[573] Nice.

[574] Everything's going great for her.

[575] She's 37.

[576] She's at the pinnacle of her career.

[577] She's one of the most high -profile TV presenters in the country, and her life seemed to be on this great track when out of the blue, she's murdered.

[578] Okay.

[579] Here we go.

[580] I know.

[581] It sucks.

[582] On April 26, 1999, it's a rare day off for Jill.

[583] She wakes up at Allen's house.

[584] She doesn't live there officially.

[585] Her house is on the market, but she stays most nights with Alan.

[586] And he lives in Chiswick, which is in London.

[587] And she left her on seven right to run some errands.

[588] She fills up her gas tank.

[589] She goes to the market.

[590] And of course, in London, there's CCTV footage everywhere so they can kind of track where she goes.

[591] And then she heads back to her house around 11 .30 in the morning to grab some crap.

[592] The parks her car on the street, which I'm sure I was thinking about, like, even when you're a fucking famous newscaster, you don't have parking in London.

[593] Like, that's just how life is.

[594] They don't, they just don't have it.

[595] It sucks.

[596] Yeah.

[597] And then she walks towards her front door, her little Victorian terraced home.

[598] So it's essentially just like, you know, a block of these cute British houses.

[599] It's like this little two -story Victorian era with a little gate at the front, a tiny little front patio yard kind of thing.

[600] Yeah.

[601] So 15 minutes later, a passing neighbor named Helen.

[602] doble who was on she was friendly with jill she saw jill's car was there so she's walking by jill's house and she like looks over to be like what's up how are you whatever so she looks over and into jill's yard as she's passing by and notices that up at the walkway by the door jill is slumped against her door frame and um helen sees blood pooling around her oh and helen notices so much blood that initially she thought jill had been stabbed and based on what she could see which wasn't too far up the walkway, she concludes that Jill's already dead.

[603] Whoa.

[604] So she does, she must be into fucking true crime because she's like, I don't want to disturb the crime scene.

[605] Yeah.

[606] She sees that the gate is closed, which she knows is weird.

[607] And so she doesn't go in.

[608] She calls emergency services right away, lets them know what's going on, lets them know who the victim is.

[609] Um, police arrive at the scene soon after and Jill's body is airlifted to the hospital.

[610] So it's determined that Jill, so she had walked up her walkway and reaches into her bag to grab her house keys when at that moment someone approaches her from behind, forces her to her knees, and shot a single bullet at her left temple just behind her ear, execution style, and broad fucking daylight.

[611] It's 11 .30 in the morning and this, like, you know, busy neighborhood.

[612] Execution style shoots one of the most famous newscasters in London.

[613] or in England, excuse me. She's, Jill Dando's officially pronounced dead at 103 p .m. Wow.

[614] So forensic investigators swept the scene for evidence.

[615] They didn't find anything except for a single bullet casing.

[616] It was the type that came from a rare nine millimeter semi -automatic browning pistol.

[617] And due to the strange nature of the casing, it had like some scratches and some weird stuff on it.

[618] Investigators thought the killer had like fucked with the gun to make it different somehow.

[619] but the gun was never found and that they had made the gun altered the gun specifically for that murder so whatever what followed is one of the largest and most expensive police investigations ever to take place in Britain so Jill Danda's neighbor Richard Hughes so they had no forensic evidence at all the only thing they can do is get eyewitness evidence they for testimony they see the neighbor Richard Hughes described how he so he had heard a woman scream but he said it sounded more like the woman had been surprised, not scared.

[620] He said he looked at his bedroom window and saw a man between 30 and 40 years old and an average height moving briskly towards Fulham Palace Road.

[621] And CCTV footage shows a speeding blue range rover right after the murder.

[622] And a similar car scene parked illegally on Jill Street that morning.

[623] There's also a photo of a well -dressed man sweating at a bus stop on his cell phone near the murder.

[624] scene shortly after the shooting as well.

[625] But outside of these sightings, which are so random and might have nothing to fucking do with the murder, police aren't able to find any other reliable eyewitness accounts.

[626] So Jill's death, of course, sends shockwaves through the nation.

[627] She had been dubbed British TV's Golden Girl, and so her high -profile murder, which seemed to them at that point, execution style, populated the papers for months.

[628] The police named her the search for her Killer Operation Oxborough, and it was the Metropolitan Police's largest criminal investigation since the Yorkshire Ripper, which you had done, right?

[629] And that was in the 80s.

[630] I don't think I did that.

[631] Did you?

[632] I don't know.

[633] Let's see.

[634] Da -da -da -da.

[635] Led by Chief Inspector Hamish Campbell.

[636] Hamish Campbell.

[637] So no murder weapon, no motive, no white witnesses.

[638] Police, of course, face mounting pressure.

[639] And over the course of the inquiry, over 2 ,000 people were named as Jill Dando's killer from anonymous tip lines.

[640] Within six months of her death, more than 2 ,500 people had been spoken to and police had taken more than a thousand statements.

[641] Investigators even used her own show Crime Watch to try to get information on her murder.

[642] Wow.

[643] I know.

[644] Which produced hundreds of phone calls, but none that produced any helpful leads.

[645] So police meticulously looked at 191 CCTV videos, only to find that no one followed Jill that day.

[646] So they looked at every place she had gone to.

[647] They looked at her when she got home.

[648] No one followed her.

[649] No one followed her.

[650] There wasn't the same person at all the locations she had been to.

[651] Right.

[652] So police then scrutinized her fans looking for someone with an unhealthy interest in her.

[653] But out of the 4 ,000 of her fans that they looked into, they found 150 who seemed to have an unhealthy interest in her.

[654] And they said only found 150.

[655] I'm like, that's fucking too many of people to have an unhealthy interest in someone.

[656] They discovered one fan was running her BT account, which I think is a British telecommunications account, so like her phone account, which meant that they could look into Jill's phone calls and phone numbers.

[657] And they also found somebody who had 150 pictures of her on his computer.

[658] And then one guy who tried to take over her utility bills, but none of these people they thought showed that their interest was more than a fantasy or fixation.

[659] The utility bills thing's a bit odd.

[660] It is weird.

[661] I don't know really with that, like, they were trying to pay them, or they were trying to, like, get access to them?

[662] Yeah, I don't know.

[663] What, yeah, what would be the benefit of that be?

[664] Well, to know when her lights are on and when she's home and not home, maybe?

[665] I don't know.

[666] Or just maybe it's just a random, like, crazy concept, like, someone's so out of it that they're just, that it only makes sense to them.

[667] Could it be that kind of thing.

[668] To me, and I'm sure this was weird to them, too, is that, like, if she's just stopping by to pick some stuff up, then they don't know when she's going to be home.

[669] Right.

[670] In my mind, my first thought would be like, well, this is like, an intruder who got caught or like a peach guy who was trying to be a peeping tom who randomly got caught because he didn't know she wasn't home or wouldn't you know would be coming home randomly or didn't think she'd be coming on at all was going to break in who knows right yeah so about a month in the investigation the police come across a name that piqued their interest it's a guy who lived half a mile from jill's house his name was buried george and he had emerged as a suspect because he had been agitated on the day of the crime when discussing his problems with his GP and his housing association.

[671] So like a couple people were like, he came in that day and he was acting fucking weird and, you know, called him in.

[672] So police look into him and they find that in 1983, he had pled guilty to attempting to rape a woman.

[673] And there was a note in his file that he had been arrested on the grounds of the royal palaces where Prince Charles and Princess Diana were living.

[674] And when he was arrested, it was because he looked suspicious because he was wearing camo and he had a length of rope and a knife tied around his shoulders, which sounds fucking suspicious.

[675] Yeah, I mean, that's beyond suspicious and aggressive.

[676] Yeah, definitely.

[677] It's not even hidden or anything.

[678] No. Wow.

[679] So Barry George had many aliases under the name Barry Bulsara.

[680] He claimed that he was the cousin of Queen Singer Freddie Mercury and he was obsessed with Freddie Mercury.

[681] He got convicted for several offenses under some of these other aliases he had used.

[682] So that meant that, like, when the detectives looked into this guy, Barry George, they didn't realize that this other guy, Barry Bolsara, had issues, too.

[683] So they didn't put it together at first, too, he was.

[684] Yeah, it's so weird that there was a time where you could have, like, a fake identity and get prosecuted under a fake identity and they don't find out.

[685] Totally.

[686] That's some 80s shit right there.

[687] That's 99, though.

[688] Oh, I thought it was, yeah.

[689] Well, I guess, yeah, it was in the 80s, but, yeah, I don't know.

[690] I mean, who knows if that still happens, though.

[691] So, I don't think so.

[692] Because it's computers.

[693] I know, but what if they're not, like, what if you have legit docs that show who you are and you give a different one every time?

[694] But how would you get those?

[695] I don't know.

[696] I don't know either.

[697] Let's send Stephen to the DMV, see if we can get him to get a fake ID and set up a PO box.

[698] It just feels like that's the place where fake IDs and, like, fake identities should stop.

[699] is at the police department.

[700] That's where all that should be uncovered.

[701] Lots of stuff should stop there.

[702] Yeah, one would hope.

[703] One would cross their fingers tightly.

[704] So he's known in the area for wandering around the streets.

[705] He's kind of like a known, like a weirdo.

[706] A local taxi firm had also called the police right after the shooting to say that they were concerned about a man who kept coming in and he seemed to be constructing an alibi being like, I was here, right?

[707] Or like, give me a ride.

[708] I was here.

[709] Oh.

[710] Police then found that he had a history of following and photographing women.

[711] When they searched his house, they found a bunch of, uh, uh, what's it called with the film rolls.

[712] Unddeveloped.

[713] Uh -huh.

[714] They tallied that he was, he had been stalking over 480 women at the time.

[715] Whoa.

[716] So just like taking photos of women and like, just stalking.

[717] That's so many.

[718] That's so many.

[719] And like, of course, at the time, there weren't stalking laws.

[720] It's not, it's not how it is today should have been how it was 50 years.

[721] ago.

[722] So we're still behind.

[723] Yeah.

[724] But at that time, there was none, you know?

[725] Right.

[726] And at that point, if you're stalking 480 women, how can they tell, doesn't it just seem like you're taking pictures of women?

[727] It's like, but I mean, that's how intense it must have been.

[728] Totally.

[729] I mean, yeah, it's crazy.

[730] And the inquiry also revealed that he had an interest in firearms.

[731] Not that he owned any, but that he was like a fucking gun nut.

[732] He or my, you know the movie, I mean, the TV show spaced Simon Peg?

[733] Yeah, yeah.

[734] It's like, one of my favorite, absolute favorite shows, but his best friend, Simon Pegg's best friend in it.

[735] Yeah.

[736] If you watch that, it's who that reminds me of.

[737] But not a nice guy.

[738] That guy's a lovely angel.

[739] What's his name?

[740] Okay.

[741] So, it's the guy that's in all the Simon Pegg movies.

[742] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[743] What's his, I love?

[744] Okay.

[745] Steve, we'll get it.

[746] Steven.

[747] Nick Frost.

[748] Thank you.

[749] Oh, my gosh.

[750] Sorry, Nick Frost.

[751] Nick Frost and spaced, but a creep.

[752] Nick Frost also has a really awesome, like, futuristic outer space show.

[753] That's hilarious.

[754] that has the tall girl that we've talked about.

[755] Now we're just like naming random, trying to describe British actors.

[756] It's not a good road to go down.

[757] That's your favorite hobby, though.

[758] It is.

[759] Okay.

[760] So over a year after Jill's murder, when they finally put it together, that this is the same guy, police are confident that they had strong enough evidence to arrest Barry George, and they get a warrant to search his house.

[761] They find his flat is stacked at the ceilings with newspapers.

[762] he's like a hoarder.

[763] So to some people it's like, yeah, he had some like newspapers with Jill Dando's death in them.

[764] Sometimes he's like, oh, my God, why did he have that?

[765] But others are like, well, he just fucking didn't get rid of newspapers.

[766] Yeah, he kept all the newspapers.

[767] Right.

[768] So it didn't seem like, you know, people like us were like, he didn't do it.

[769] It's like, well, you know.

[770] But there wasn't any evidence of him having an obsession with Jill.

[771] There was no creepy murder shrines and all this shit.

[772] The neighbor right next, who lived next door, who had heard the scream and looked at the window and right across the street who had both seen someone departing from the gate neither of them are able to ID Barry in a lineup in fact they each picked a different person for the ID which is not good right now it's great for Barry it's great for Barry however forensics finally get a breakthrough so they had gone through his house they had collected all this shit they had taken it from his house to a photography studio to photograph the evidence, which is weird.

[773] That's not what they usually do.

[774] Like they didn't have a police photographer.

[775] Yeah, on the scene.

[776] They had taken it out to a different location, which I think now we know is chain of evidence.

[777] That's an easy way to discredit for the defense to discredit and debunk it.

[778] Right.

[779] So they get a breakthrough.

[780] They had found a very small amount of firearm discharge in the pocket of a coat that they had taken into custody.

[781] And it was a coat that buried.

[782] George himself said that he was wearing the day of the murder.

[783] So they take that coat in.

[784] They get it forensically fucking whatever.

[785] They find this little bit of firearm discharge.

[786] It was a half of one thousandth of an inch that they found.

[787] Okay.

[788] That's hardly any.

[789] So the chemical composition matched out of the bullet that killed Jill Dando.

[790] Oh.

[791] But they also find a single fiber on the crime scene that matched a pair of trousers that Barry George owned as well.

[792] So with this information alone, they're like, like, great.

[793] And on May 29, 2000, Barry George was formally charged with the murder.

[794] So, the trial became one of the most controversial cases in British criminal history.

[795] Of course, George, Barry, Barry, George pleads not guilty.

[796] It's hard.

[797] It's hard, you know.

[798] With those two first names.

[799] I mean, yeah.

[800] And one of them is kind of my name, and I just want to say it first.

[801] He pleads not guilty, of course.

[802] He's accompanied by a psychiatrist during the trial to help him follow the case because he suffers from serious epilepsy and he had she just pointed at me you know your kind one of you well i thought maybe you could attest to how hard it is to follow your own trial is that true i've had a terrible time about at least four different times out of 10 true or false okay uh annie had difficulty is concentrating because it's found later that his IQ is in the mid -70s.

[803] Same.

[804] What if I pointed at you when I said that?

[805] Mid -70s, so you know how that is.

[806] So, like, he had, he definitely had ADHD.

[807] It's possible that he had Asperger's, but his IQ is also really low, and he suffered from epilepsy, so he had all these issues, making it hard for him to kind of understand what was going on.

[808] And that's why they wouldn't let him testify, because he would have incriminated himself probably because he didn't understand the severity of the circumstances.

[809] Right.

[810] So hold for a large plane.

[811] Regarding this flimsy forensics evidence, you know, the defense argues that the jacket, so the jacket had been removed from its protective bag, have been placed upon a work service in the photographer.

[812] Fuck.

[813] Photographic studio.

[814] And the photographic studio, this is all I could find about it, that it housed ammunition.

[815] What?

[816] Yeah.

[817] So you're like, don't take it there.

[818] Yeah, that's just odd combination.

[819] So maybe it was just like, it was like, maybe, perhaps it was the studio that they used for evidence to photograph it there, but that means that ammunition would have come in and out of it.

[820] Right.

[821] If it's a police photography studio or whatever.

[822] Exactly.

[823] Which is why the hell do you have that.

[824] Which is why you don't do it there.

[825] You do it.

[826] Yeah.

[827] So items found at the crime scene, such as the bullet and cartridge, as well as Jill Dando's front door, which is where the bullet hit after passing through her head, were photographed in the studio.

[828] So the bullet and everything was photographed there.

[829] Then they brought the jacket and they're like, oh, look, we found it.

[830] And then they found one one thousandth of a person, yeah.

[831] But inside a pocket, which is weird too, right?

[832] But so it was probably on the Q -tip or whatever the fuck they use.

[833] Yeah, I mean, that's highly contaminated.

[834] Right.

[835] That's just crazy.

[836] It's like should be thrown out.

[837] The evidence should be thrown out immediately, which I think the defense tried to do.

[838] And, you know, I think that there was such fervor over getting this case solved that it was one of those.

[839] profile that it could be.

[840] It was one of those you motherfuckers better catch this guy.

[841] This is insane.

[842] This is beloved person, you know, so they went with what they had.

[843] The search team who recovered the jacket had not worn forensic clothing while searching George's flat.

[844] One of the officers who was present who had handled the jacket had handled ammunition while wearing the same clothing that he had on then.

[845] So he probably put his fucking hand in the pocket.

[846] Right.

[847] Yeah.

[848] But guess what?

[849] He was found guilty.

[850] That's right.

[851] Yeah.

[852] And on July 2nd.

[853] 2001, he's sentenced to life in prison.

[854] So for years after his conviction, though, people campaigned for Barry George's freedom because they felt like he had been taken advantage of due to his mental illness and his mental capacities.

[855] Yeah, because if you pull back a little bit, it really does seem like, oh, they just got the irritating guy that, that was overtly mentally ill, walking around the street.

[856] Yeah, who did sexually assault.

[857] Like, you can't argue that.

[858] Like, he did.

[859] He is a bad past.

[860] There's some serious issues.

[861] But it's like, so convenient that that's the guy and listen maybe it fucking was him but you can't take someone to court based on this stuff you know well just you know from my professional stances uh having done 100 of these and just knowing how they all go it's not enough evidence that's that's not a that's not the solid case where you're like we've got the guy and to that point if you have an IQ of 70 and you have all of these fucking health, mental health issues, you don't commit the perfect crime.

[862] You can't commit the perfect crime.

[863] That's a great point.

[864] You don't run from the scene without any blood on you.

[865] You don't know to use a silencer.

[866] You don't know how to shoot someone so that blood doesn't get on you.

[867] You don't avoid CCTV footage and, you know, you don't not talk to someone about it.

[868] Because, like, apparently he would just, he talked a lot and would tell people about his obsession with celebrities.

[869] And we'd tell everyone like, this is who I'm obsessed with this day.

[870] And no one ever remembered him talking about Jill.

[871] yeah he just didn't it didn't make sense for him right maybe it was a fucking insane stalker fan but it doesn't sound like him right so anyways da da da da da da da blah blah but okay eight years after a sentencing and numerous turn down appeals george's finally granted a second trial when it came out the gun trace obtained from his coat was discredited as a reliable source of evidence which is like the stuff we have now too where it's like blood splatter evidence doesn't fit right and doesn't make sense.

[872] So one one thousandth of anything shouldn't can't shouldn't count absolutely not so the oh and the coat it had been a year since he since the murder and he had had it dry clean and worn it since then too when they found that when they took the coat into custody okay yeah so it wasn't him yeah okay so he's acquitted in november 2007 despite he's trying to claim 500 ,000 pounds in compensation for his wrongful conviction but it's been turned down by then home secretary Kenneth Clark, who ruled that he was not, quote, not innocent enough.

[873] Oh.

[874] And that the conviction was not so unfair as to be considered a miscarriage of justice.

[875] So you've got to quit it, but they're like, yeah, but not hard enough.

[876] I mean, it's, this is truly an either or situation.

[877] You're innocent or guilty.

[878] And then like a new law was passed around that time that was like, well, if you want to get compensation, you have to prove your innocence.

[879] wow yeah which is like what that's mind -boggling it makes sense though because it's like they don't want to be paying out people i mean they want to they want to be paying people who it's they've been wrongfully convicted and it's been proven like by dna or something that they're innocent yes but he just got off because that yeah i see what you're saying i mean yeah it's it's not like they were like you didn't do it they were like the evidence show doesn't show that you did it beyond a reasonable doubt yeah i mean that's a it's a weird gray area it's almost like they won't give it to him until they until someone else gets yeah that it's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it's like it's like a shadow of a of a assurance that he did do it is what got him in there in the first right so right it says you know shadow shouldn't be involved it's just shadowy it's super shady a lot of shadowy figures hey let's talk about some of them okay let's go to two theories.

[880] So there's a bunch of theories about, there's like six strong ones, but there's about, of course, a ton.

[881] I was listening to a podcast that has a lot of them that you can listen to about it.

[882] It's the podcast is called unseen.

[883] And, but I'm just going to go over two little ones and then my favorite one.

[884] Okay.

[885] So after he's acquitted, there are about 52 ,000 documents from his, from Barry George's legal team that are made public.

[886] And some of which help the public create new theories that they felt the police overlooked in their quest to pin it on George.

[887] So the first one that I found interesting is that the IRA was involved, the Irish Republican army, that they chose Jill Dando as a target because there were links with the police through her show Crime Watch.

[888] And they actually, a letter was found in those documents of a dude who was in prison who admitted to killing with a bunch of people that they killed her for the IRA and it's just kind of nutty.

[889] Bullshit.

[890] Yeah, I don't believe it.

[891] As a member of Shane Fen, I'd like to say that's bullshit.

[892] I'm just kidding.

[893] But of course, then at the time, there was already peace talks going on so the government knew about it but didn't want them, didn't want to like pin it on the IRA because then the peace talks would have blown up.

[894] Yeah.

[895] Blah, blah, blah.

[896] You know, it's there's, I mean, and also it just seems a bit far away.

[897] It's just like, oh, we're going to, if we assassinate this newscaster, these things will happen.

[898] Or it's like, that's, it doesn't, that doesn't directly track in any way.

[899] Well, way to get to mind that's similar, but it does directly track.

[900] The other one was that in 2014, a former colleague of Jill's came forward and said that Jill was trying to expose a VIP pedophile ring just months before her death.

[901] And the pedophile ring had named high profile celebrities.

[902] here's the thing those pedophile rings in England have been proven to be real it's that one dude who was like the BBC presenter guy yes Jimmy Somerville who's the creepiest of creeps that's right so they think it was like that's like related to that yeah I don't think so because I don't know why I don't think she would have had information that could have been silenced by killing her I don't think she you know she was the presenter and she was a journalist but there were you know teams of people behind She was a newspaper investigative journalist that, yeah, exactly.

[903] You know what I mean?

[904] Like, it wouldn't have stopped at her.

[905] Right.

[906] Maybe it would have sent a message, but I don't think that it would have sent a big enough message forever and be like, never mind.

[907] You know what I mean?

[908] Because it ended up coming out anyways.

[909] So, but it's interesting.

[910] Yeah.

[911] All right.

[912] So here's the one I like the most.

[913] And this is conspiracy theory time.

[914] So in 2012, a story came out about the widow of a renowned Serbian journalist named Slavko Coravisia.

[915] So this dude's loco, he had been murdered during the Kosovo war in an almost identical circumstances to Jill, just 15 days before Jill.

[916] Oh.

[917] So the widow came forward to say that she's convinced that Jill Danda was shot by a hitman acting on orders given from the same person who had ordered her husband's hit, Serbian dictator Slobalama Milosevic.

[918] Whoa.

[919] Okay.

[920] This fucking shit goes deep.

[921] And I'm like now really, really wanting to look into the Kosovo War because it's banana.

[922] So this guy, Slavko Corvija, he was a critic of the Serbian, the Serb regime, and he was this big journalist owned a newspaper.

[923] And he had been shot dead outside their home in Belgrade.

[924] Both victims were high -profile journalists, Jill and this guy, both were returning home when they were approached from behind, forced to the ground, and shot in the head at close range.

[925] Wow.

[926] Fifteen fucking days apart.

[927] So why would Jill be targeted by the Serbian regime, you ask?

[928] Karen, that's a great question.

[929] Thanks.

[930] Well, just weeks before her death, Jill had fronted a TV appeal for Kosovo and Albanian refugees being driven out of their home by militias backed by the Yugoslavian president.

[931] So she does this kind of like, you know, heart -to -heart news program being like, we need to help these poor refugees, showing footage of what's going on, explaining what's happening, really anti.

[932] Serb, and apparently it enraged the Serban paramilitaries, which is like fine.

[933] I bet a lot of fucking news reporters were doing that.

[934] It's not like they wanted to get her specifically for saying that.

[935] It wouldn't have done anything.

[936] But at that point, NATO had gotten involved in the war in Kosovo and on April 23rd, 1999, had bombed a state -owned TV station in Belgrade.

[937] Fucking NATO did this.

[938] Whoa.

[939] They killed 16 workers at this news station, including, makeup artist and an electrician.

[940] It was all just like, you know, regular workers there.

[941] Yeah.

[942] At the time, it was Native's first offensive action against a sovereign nation in its 50 -year history.

[943] Wow.

[944] And the British broadcast, the BBC reported that the station was targeted because of its role in Belgrade's propaganda campaign.

[945] So they said it was fucking justified because this was a propaganda machine.

[946] So they killed the makeup artist and the fucking cameraman and the electrician and shit.

[947] So 15 days later, Jill, is killed.

[948] So the day after Jill's murder, an unidentified man called the BBC, and he had the accent, he told the operator, because your government, this is quote, because your government, and in particular, your prime minister Blair, murdered, butchered 17 innocent young people.

[949] He butchered, we butcher back, the first one you had yesterday, the day after Jill's fucking murder.

[950] Whoa.

[951] The chief inspector Hamish Campbell, who led the manhunt, said that the theory was only considered, quote, for a short while, but instead police focused their attention on George.

[952] Oh, dude.

[953] I know.

[954] So, uh, that, like, that to me is, it makes sense.

[955] It's this fucking international crazy conspiracy that they're like, you killed, you bomb this fucking, you know, news station, we're going to kill.

[956] And they, they threatened other specific newscasters at BBC.

[957] Right.

[958] Then nothing ever happened, but they got a couple different phone calls for.

[959] from it.

[960] Can I add to something just as I make it up?

[961] Please, always, always.

[962] That they were like, all right, pin it on the local eccentric, bounce this over to MI5, and that's why no one else got murdered, that they probably had things in place, but it went full on deep covers, CIA British style, which is MI5.

[963] The police might not even know, like the local police who are, you know, chief inspector, maybe him, but not the rest, might not even known that like the MI5 was like let's make it look like this this dude Barry George this local fucking weirdo who's also like been arrested and charged with rape let's make it look like he did it yeah let's put you know a fucking gun particle in his pocket so the police and the people who are arresting him might not even know about it it's not like everyone's behind this right because this does it's so high level like spy shit yeah yeah that's crazy and then if you if MI5 comes out and they're like, this is what happened, then you're going to fucking war.

[964] Then it's going to be war.

[965] Nobody wants, well, everyone wants war in the government, but nobody.

[966] It's war.

[967] Right.

[968] Like they're trying to prevent the like larger and larger action.

[969] Right.

[970] Yeah.

[971] So maybe they like behind closed doors, you know, put a fucking quash on this whole thing.

[972] Somehow.

[973] And we're like, we don't need to take this any further.

[974] Yeah.

[975] And Jill fucking Dando was the person who got sacrificed.

[976] for it.

[977] Right.

[978] So that sucks.

[979] As of now, the police maintained their belief that Jill was killed by a crazed and obsessed stalker, maybe someone she was familiar with, and they're still kind of going in that angle, but they're not, it's not like, it doesn't seem like it's an active investigation at the moment.

[980] Right.

[981] And it's been almost 20 years since her death, but Jill Dando's case remains opened and unsolved.

[982] I bet so many British people are like, I remember that day type of thing.

[983] That's just so shocking and awful.

[984] I think it was like similar to when Princess Diana died.

[985] It's just this like, well, this person doesn't, is this lovely person who represents this, you know, like this is who we are and what we care about.

[986] Yeah.

[987] And has a senseless death and someone needs to fucking pay for this or someone needs to kind of justice for this.

[988] It's just really awful.

[989] Also, you know, when you said none of the CCTV footage showed anybody, like, that's highly suspicious because, like you said, if it was the eccentric wandering around and being the way he always was, you would have seen him walk up, walk down, be in the neighborhood, do something.

[990] He wouldn't be, you know, a like shadowy figure that just disappears.

[991] Whereas if it was some kind of spy shit, you know.

[992] Well, there's like that weird land rover, which everyone knows fucking shady people drive land rovers.

[993] Especially in L .A. Especially in L .A. Shadiest.

[994] And then they, yeah, it's just this weird.

[995] Like, it makes so much more sense that it's a professional hit.

[996] It's like someone who has been trained.

[997] Come in, come out.

[998] And the thing that everyone who saw this person who may or may not have been the killer who also like was seen on closed caption is that he looked, he looked, uh, well to do and normal.

[999] Yep.

[1000] He looked well to do.

[1001] Yes.

[1002] Which is the perfect cover.

[1003] You look like a fucking normal person.

[1004] Don't look like a spastic local fucking weirdo.

[1005] No, you look like a rich guy and everyone's like, well, it can't be the guy in the in a ranger over that there's a normal guy yeah he's a guy right wow and there's like more shit about this killer and that killer and it's just a bit in kosovo and it's just like fucking bananas crazy yeah wow so that's the murder of fucking jill dando wow yeah you want a pillow you have some over there do you need more no no i'm fine i'm i just can't step no i'm good getting pillows Okay, so for mine this week, and I told you a couple days ago, I was like, I'm so excited for my story this week.

[1006] Yeah.

[1007] I love that.

[1008] And I never heard of this.

[1009] And I never, I mean, not even like an inkling because, and I can't believe that because it has everything I love.

[1010] It has a combination of, and when obviously we say love, we mean things I'm most horrified by.

[1011] It's attraction repulsion, look it up in a psychology book.

[1012] Yes.

[1013] But the only reason I know about it is because a lovely murderino on Twitter at Santina Lynn 33, they sent it to me and basically said, I think you would like this.

[1014] And I hit the link and was just like, man, you're right.

[1015] Shit.

[1016] Man, you're right.

[1017] So I'm going to mislead a little bit and not say the actual title of what I had originally.

[1018] And we're just going to call this the Andrews fan.

[1019] haunting.

[1020] Oh, my God, I love it.

[1021] I love it.

[1022] I love it.

[1023] Yes.

[1024] I'm here for this.

[1025] It's such a tragic story.

[1026] It's like there's just nothing but tragedy in every direction.

[1027] And it is that kind of like, this swirling thing of when children are abused, when people are left alone, like all, just all those things kind of coming together in one terrible tragedy.

[1028] The kind of thing where you're like, well, I don't believe in ghosts, but if there's ever going to be one, these are the circumstances that are going to create this sense.

[1029] Okay.

[1030] Okay.

[1031] Let's do it.

[1032] So it is the fall of 1986, and we're in a suburb outside of Boston Mass, and it's called pepperl.

[1033] That's how I'm just going to pronounce it, pepperl, and we'll see what happens.

[1034] Great.

[1035] So it's the Andrews family.

[1036] It's the father, Brian, and then his two daughters, Annie, who's 15, and Jessica, who's eight.

[1037] And they have just lost their mother from cancer.

[1038] It's obviously a terrible loss.

[1039] the family is grieving.

[1040] It's a really hard time for them.

[1041] Their father is a really hard worker.

[1042] He's a bus driver and he's working to keep the family together.

[1043] But, you know, what a terrible time to lose your mom.

[1044] And just really, also, as everybody knows, so many people have been affected by cancer.

[1045] It's just the saddest, you know, watching somebody get cancer, being diagnosed with it, and then, you know, the eventual sickness or whatever.

[1046] I feel like so many people The only good thing is So many advances have been made in cancer And so it's so different than it was in the 80s When it would just immediately be a death sentence But it's a ravaging terrible disease And so many people know that And experienced it So Brian is just trying to keep his teenage daughter And his eight year old daughter Together and okay But they spend tons of time alone at the house Because you know He has to work so much And they hang out They watch TV together you know so in the middle of all this kind of sad sadness and and this is also you now it's 86 so we have to go back before the internet we go back before texting we go back before everything and this is all about the phone um this is when the ringing phone had the potential of everything of the your your golden teenage years coming through that phone line what could it be that's what it was all about so one night the phone rings and annie picks it up and it's a boy on the other end of the line.

[1047] And he introduces himself.

[1048] Um, he says his name's Danny.

[1049] And then he got her phone number from mutual friend of theirs at her school.

[1050] And she's the older one, the teenager.

[1051] She's older one.

[1052] She's 15.

[1053] Okay.

[1054] And the boy says that he saw her and he asked their friend for her phone number.

[1055] He explains he goes to a different school.

[1056] He describes himself.

[1057] He's athletic.

[1058] He's tall.

[1059] He's blonde.

[1060] You know, I don't know if he said he was good looking, but that's just the idea that she got that he was, you know basically like captain the football team style dude at a different school who's interested in her so of course you're 15 it's like what you are waiting for and living for totally a 15 year old girl so fucking babysitters club novel it fully is yes um but over the phone so she's thrilled they chat on the phone for you know like into the night or whatever and have great conversations and that happens a couple times and finally he asked her on a date he asked her to the fair and she says yes and so the big day arrives the doorbell rings she runs downstairs opens the door standing there is a short non -athletic dark -haired very acne -covered boy who introduces himself as danny and of course she's immediately she's disappointed she's trying not to act like she is she's trying to be nice she feels like she still has to go on this date with him even though she's like this is so weird um and so she goes and the date lasts one hour uh because almost immediately she's getting weird vibes from this kid and as they're having they're you know having their get to know you conversation and at one point she explains that her mother's recently died from cancer and suddenly he perks up and he starts asking her all these questions and she's just kind of like what the fuck and he's like like overly curious about her mother dying of cancer to the point where he's like how to tell me how you felt this the moment you you uh found out she was dead this feels like a fucking uh what's it called urban legend so far yes it has all those things where you're just like oh a great thing oh no it's the worst version of this thing that i thought it was supposed to be and it's like it's an 80s version of catfishing um and she's 15 so she's She doesn't know how to assert herself.

[1061] She doesn't know how to go, hey, fuck you, dude.

[1062] You sold me a bill of goods.

[1063] You're not who I think you are.

[1064] I'm not comfortable goodbye.

[1065] Yeah.

[1066] But in that hour, suddenly he's saying, he's asking her to describe how her mom suffered, all this stuff.

[1067] And finally, she's like, yeah, this is super weird, like goodbye and walks away.

[1068] Oh, that was after he made a joke about her mom dying of cancer.

[1069] So she's just like, never talk to me again.

[1070] don't call me anymore, huh?

[1071] And leaves.

[1072] Good girl.

[1073] So she's back at home and back to kind of like sad life with her and her sister kind of being like latchkeyish.

[1074] They're spending lots of time home alone.

[1075] They miss their mom.

[1076] So one night they decide they're going to do a seance to try to see if they can contact their mom.

[1077] They go up into the attic.

[1078] They do all the things they think you're supposed to do to have a seance, light a candle.

[1079] They're doing some chanting whatever their dad opens the door he comes home from work opens the door it they end it but they had been starting to get this weird feeling and they thought it was like really working or whatever and then the dad walks in it's like what are you two doing you know whatever get out of that get out of the attic no candles no candles in this house sure and i'd like to say candles on the attic no the dad's worried about his daughters obviously they're really suffering through the loss of their mom he doesn't really know what to do and he's kind of weirded out by that behavior so shortly after they have this seance, they start hearing tapping and knocking in the house when they're home by themselves.

[1080] And at first, you know, freaks them out.

[1081] They try to go see where it's coming from.

[1082] They can't find it.

[1083] It goes away.

[1084] And it's like this recurring thing and gets louder, gets more insistent.

[1085] And at one point, it's just constant.

[1086] Like one night it's there and there's just constant tapping.

[1087] No, like the house on fire and leave.

[1088] Right.

[1089] No, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah.

[1090] No. So they're like, fuck we, this is bad.

[1091] And like, this is something, you know, this is not good.

[1092] Also, it's a thing like I was saying before, like, you're home alone.

[1093] I mean, I'm like so old.

[1094] And when I'm home alone, you hear one noise and you're like, you want to run out into the street.

[1095] Totally.

[1096] That's kind of why I love living in apartment buildings, because it's like, you can just blame it on anything else.

[1097] Yes.

[1098] And there's so many people right nearby.

[1099] There's 30 people right now.

[1100] Once I live in a house someday, I'm not going to be happy.

[1101] Yeah.

[1102] that's what it's very difficult um it seems so hard um so then they start noticing that things are moving when so they put something down in one room and when they come back in it somewhere else like pieces of furniture cats they put their cat down in one place and they're like it's not sleeping where it's not there anymore they tell their dad one time that they poured some fiddle faddle in a bowl to take in to watch TV with them when they went back in to the kitchen later to get it it was gone the bowl was gone the whole thing was gone they couldn't find it remember fiddle fiddle fiddle faddle but i prefer a poppycock oh i wonder we should do a blind taste test well because i think fiddle feddle one of them fiddle fiddles like peanuts right and then poppycock has like almonds there's so different what about cracker jacks cracker jacks are for old people well then call me old i just called myself old and now i'm like trying to throw that shit on other people.

[1103] That's how it works.

[1104] That's how insecurity works, everybody.

[1105] Um, what times the door.

[1106] Shit's going crazy.

[1107] The doorbell rings one night.

[1108] They open the door.

[1109] No one's there.

[1110] So they're like, fuck.

[1111] What is what is happening?

[1112] We opened a, we opened a portal.

[1113] So that when they tell their dad these stories, the dad's like, so they want my attention.

[1114] I'm not around enough.

[1115] I'm not there for them.

[1116] Yes, but also it's haunted.

[1117] Yes.

[1118] Both are true.

[1119] But as we know in every like horror movie, the parents never believe the kids.

[1120] until like, again, all the curtains are on fire and then turn into an old nun or whatever.

[1121] Oh, by the way, the nun's coming out this weekend.

[1122] Everybody, we've got to go watch it.

[1123] Let's all go together.

[1124] Okay.

[1125] Let's all go in a big bus.

[1126] Yeah.

[1127] Okay.

[1128] So one night, again, home alone, watching movie.

[1129] They haven't heard the knocking for a while.

[1130] They start to hear it again.

[1131] This time it's in the basement.

[1132] So Annie picks up a knife and she's like, come on, we have to go check.

[1133] And of course, Jessica's like, no, no, we can't go down.

[1134] Yeah.

[1135] They go down into the basement and there is a message written on the wall in what looks like blood and it says, I'm in your room.

[1136] Come find me. The girls read it.

[1137] They scream.

[1138] They run out.

[1139] They go to the neighbor's house.

[1140] They're freaking out.

[1141] Good.

[1142] I thought they were going to go to the room.

[1143] No, no. No, no. The neighbors call the dad at work.

[1144] He comes home.

[1145] The police come.

[1146] They all meet at the house.

[1147] they go, the dad and the cop go downstairs into the basement and they're standing there they look, they touch the wall it's ketchup.

[1148] Okay.

[1149] So then he's like my daughters did this.

[1150] Oh no I was like great but someone still wrote it he's like the catch up he's just like this is like a child prank they're like trying to get my attention and pretend like they're so scared to be home by themselves because they want me to be home with them and this is so embarrassing he apologizes to the cops and he tells the girls you guys are going to have to go to therapy yeah oh i'm like gasping about therapy good great but also that they actually do need to be in therapy good things are happening their dad's on the right track yes but but also he needs to listen to them yeah um and he also tells that he's like do not do this again this is not this is serious like i'm pissed so so so they're so frustrated because they're so scared to be home and they know what's happening to them and they can't get anybody to believe them.

[1151] Okay.

[1152] So a few weeks later, they're home alone.

[1153] The knocking starts again.

[1154] Now it's super intense.

[1155] And now it's upstairs.

[1156] And so they go upstairs and they go into the bedroom and across the wall in the bedroom.

[1157] In the red, it's written, I'm back.

[1158] Come and find me. So they scream and they freak out.

[1159] They run out of the house.

[1160] They run to the neighbors.

[1161] The neighbor calls the dad again.

[1162] but this time when the dad comes home he finds the girls are standing outside they're crying and holding each other and shaking and the neighbor goes they've been like this since they got to my house this isn't fake like whatever's going on something's really going on in that house like the neighbor's now on their side because these girls are just shaken so the dad Brian goes up into the house and he's like I'm although check it out he goes up into the house and this is now also this this story does have several versions of these details, but they all end up back in the same place.

[1163] But these versions, I'm right now going by the ID channel show, Your Worst Nightmare, Season 2, Episode 1, A Bump in the Night.

[1164] He goes upstairs, and he, as he walks through the house, every TV is on.

[1165] Things are so disheveled that he knows his daughters didn't, like, wreck the house before they left.

[1166] He's starting to go, something really is happening in this house.

[1167] And he's, like, starting to get really freaked out.

[1168] He walks upstairs, and he sees in the girl's room that it's written on the wall.

[1169] But then he turns around, and there's a picture of Annie with a knife stuck in it stuck to the wall.

[1170] And he's like, oh, my God.

[1171] And then he hears a noise down the hallway.

[1172] He goes down into his bedroom, and someone is standing there wearing his wife's wedding gown.

[1173] No. And a wig And turns around It's Danny LaPlant The boy that Annie went on the date with Yeah His face is painted in like Warrior makeup Oh my God And he's holding a hatchet Holy fuck The dad fucking of course Like stumbles backwards Yeah Danny comes at him He runs out of the house Shuts the door Screams get them inside the house Call the cops The cops immediately come and they're just and he's standing out in the street and like no one comes out of the house and so he's like standing there waiting because he knows it's this 15 year old kid he's not big yeah so he's but he's like kind of ready but this guy's fucking batch it yeah he batch it he's got a hatchet batch it batch it wearing a wedding dress so the cops go into the house to get him oh hey and they they don't find anybody in the house and they're searching all around and they're like, this is weird because they know no one came out.

[1174] Yeah.

[1175] And then they look and it on the story is like all over our, there's, this happened in different places, but basically they see, they notice that there's a bookcase that's slightly out from the wall.

[1176] Is this a hiding in the wall story?

[1177] It sure is, Georgia.

[1178] No. They pull it open.

[1179] And there is a tunnel system.

[1180] No. throughout the walls of the house.

[1181] Fuck.

[1182] And Danny LaPlant has been living inside of the walls of this house since they went on this date.

[1183] Danny, you creeper.

[1184] And not only is there writing on these walls and there's the girl's clothing that's been slowly disappearing that he's been jerking off onto.

[1185] That's all inside the walls and there's beer.

[1186] He's glued pennies to the wall.

[1187] There's all kinds of weird shit that shows he's been in there for so long.

[1188] But on top of all of that, there are little peep holes so that he could walk anywhere in the house and see the girls in any room that they were in.

[1189] Ew.

[1190] Ew.

[1191] Okay.

[1192] What the fuck?

[1193] Yes.

[1194] So some versions of the story are that Danny tied the whole family up and then Jessica got away and called the cops.

[1195] And then everyone got away.

[1196] And then the cops came and then they moved back.

[1197] in and then later.

[1198] It was like that where I'm like, it doesn't even seem realistic.

[1199] I'm on this.

[1200] I'm on, I'm on board with this one so far.

[1201] Yeah, I'm on ID channel style.

[1202] They have researchers.

[1203] They know what they're doing.

[1204] That's right.

[1205] So it turns out, so Danny LaPlant, this 15 year old boy, very disturbed, has had a horrible life, terribly abused, physically, emotionally, sexually by his father.

[1206] And had a terrible time in school, was always made, fun of because of his parents because of his acne he was disheveled he was very weird and creepy just had terrible time he had learning disabilities he had all you know every everything stacked against him when he was an adolescent and at one point they sent him to a psychiatrist to to help him the psychiatrist molest him no right oh god so you know but still nothing is justifying but there's there the underlying um psychological problems were there that's awful it's really terrible he uh is taken to a psychiatric hospital when he's finally arrested um uh and they evaluate him before they send up to juvenile hall and they then decide the authorities decide he's going to be tried as an adult and moved into real jail but because of that instead of like juvenile hall if he's tried like adult, then he can have bail.

[1207] So his mother, his mother is able to come up with the $100, oh, no, I'm sorry, $10 ,000.

[1208] When I looked at this the first time, I was like, that's crazy, but, you know, it was the 80s, I guess it's like, $100 back then is equal to $1 ,000.

[1209] Because I put a period.

[1210] I put a period instead of a comma.

[1211] Sorry, everybody.

[1212] $10 ,000 bail.

[1213] Okay.

[1214] So he was bailed out.

[1215] and he's given a December court date.

[1216] Oh, no. Of course, the Andrews family is like, we got, we're moving.

[1217] Yeah, yeah.

[1218] And they relocate on December.

[1219] So it takes two years for his court case to come up.

[1220] On December 1st, 1987, before the trial, he's still out before he's prosecuted for the crime of being the creepiest person in America.

[1221] second only two remember the um the spider man of of Denver or the guy basically did the same thing but almost less creepy on that one because he like came down upon from the ceiling yeah and he was just living there because he had nowhere else to go right and the family the couple didn't know but okay so Danny on December 1st 1987 um leaves his mom's house and what they eventually learn is that he'd stolen guns from a neighbor because before this thing with the at the Andrews house.

[1222] He had been breaking into homes and robbing people, but then he also would just break into homes and move stuff around and fuck with people.

[1223] So he was very into like fucking with people's minds and invading privacy.

[1224] And, you know, that was like an obsession of his already.

[1225] So it sounds like such a Stephen King character.

[1226] Yeah.

[1227] Really disturbed.

[1228] Yeah.

[1229] And no help.

[1230] The opposite of any kind of help.

[1231] Yeah.

[1232] And abuses piled on abuses, but then just deeply disturbed person.

[1233] Yeah.

[1234] So he goes, he leaves his mom's house and he goes out into the woods, which apparently some, some people say he knew the woods like the back of his hand.

[1235] So he could live out there as long as he wanted.

[1236] Sure.

[1237] So he hikes through the woods for a mile and then the first house he comes to belongs to a family called the Gustavsons.

[1238] And it is, um, the mom is 33 year old Priscilla.

[1239] The husband's named Andrew and the children are Abigail who's seven and William who's five.

[1240] So, they, Priscilla comes home one day with the kids and there's, it's speculated because no one's sure positive, but they think he could either have been surprised in the middle of robbing the house.

[1241] He just was there to rob it or he had a plan all along and he was in there hiding.

[1242] The one thing that does support the fact that he had a plan was that there were ties found that he had bound the family, which would have.

[1243] meant he had pre -planned it in some way because he basically kills the family.

[1244] He shoots Priscilla and then he takes each child to a different bathroom and drowns them in the bathtub.

[1245] Terrible.

[1246] Oh my God.

[1247] Yep.

[1248] And then he disappears into the woods again.

[1249] So they find at the scene the police find a 22 caliber gun casing and it matches the gun that Danny stole the 22 that he had stolen and for 48 hours they can't find him people are searching the woods what is this 88 or something this is 87 okay it's December of 1987 so they actually get like a task force together like cops from surrounding counties fucking dogs and shit there's a whole search then they get a tip that Danny's hiding at an old lumberyard oh what's fucking creepier than that no so all these cops descend on this thing and they find him in a shed and when they pull him out he's laughing and he continues to laugh throughout his entire arrest he just won't stop laughing the entire time he's booked he's stripped that's when they discover he has a loaded gun hidden in his crotch oh my god yeah yes gross he now this time he's sentenced he sentenced to three consecutive life sentences because massachusetts doesn't have the death penalty and that's in court when everyone starts hearing about his terrible childhood but as many people say we've been told a ton of times and we all know lots of people have had terrible childhoods and they do not kill people so obviously there's the extra special something in Danny's brain that was off we also know this because he when he went to jail never expressed remorse for anything ever he became a wicken in jail then he filed a lawsuit against the state of Massachusetts because they weren't giving him access to dragon's blood black opium or honeysuckle Wiccans are like can you leave us out of this please literally that's the next line that the Wiccan community was like he is not one of us that is not what we're about that is like he has nothing to do with us none of ever heard of this guy Jesus like we reject him entirely not Jesus they reject him entirely the Wiccans are about the fucking earth man and dragon's blood And, and Dragon's Blood, then he goes through appeal after appeal of all these years where he's just like, don't care, fuck you, whatever.

[1250] And finally, on his last appeal, he came and he was like, I realize what I've done.

[1251] I know what's wrong.

[1252] I have nothing but remorse.

[1253] I'm so sorry for all the pain I cause.

[1254] Liar, liar, liar.

[1255] His final appeal is denied, so he's never getting out of jail.

[1256] And of course, when was that?

[1257] in 20 something it's 2016 holy shit like recently right his final appeal is to nine um andrew gustavson who lost his entire fucking family and of course after that his he died in 2014 his second wife luckily he i mean he did remarry which is lovely but his second wife um testified at the resentencing that Andrew's life, of course, was ruined because of this crime.

[1258] He suffered endlessly with depression.

[1259] He went bankrupt.

[1260] Like, his life, of course, fell apart because it was so terrible.

[1261] And they say, I don't know if this is verified, that on Andrew's deathbed when he died in 2014, he said, make sure they never let him out of jail.

[1262] When Danny's third appeal was, like, his final appeal was denied in a way they're like, well, at least that Andrew got a little bit of justice in that.

[1263] Yeah.

[1264] And that is the horrifying fucking story of Danny LaPlante.

[1265] What in the actual fuck?

[1266] And also, how have I never heard that story before?

[1267] Dude, I think I'd heard the beginning part.

[1268] And I was like, and I was like, okay, like, this isn't going to be a murder story.

[1269] This is like, you know, this, like, weird and, like, haunting.

[1270] Is it provable?

[1271] I don't know.

[1272] But it's like, cool.

[1273] Not cool, but, you know.

[1274] And then it just took a turn.

[1275] Yes.

[1276] And that was horrible.

[1277] And you have, like.

[1278] on the television show your worst nightmare the way they shot it was so good where he's standing there like Brian goes into that bedroom and I was like suddenly looking like what someone's in a wedding dress like how confusing and disorienting that would be and then it's just like a teenage boy who basically is like it looks like brave heart it's like the top half of his head is all black across the eyes and forehead and then the bottom is white and he has like a weird strip of red on his lips like it's so creepy and the hatchet it's just like oh this is not a haunting this is a nightmare this is a true fucking nightmare you're awake so crazy i want to see a photo of this dude oh i have one right here for you oh my god oh my god oh i mean he just to be honest he just looks like all the disturbed serial killery uh yeah teen boys that you've ever seen he's got he's definitely got a richard ramirez feel to him he definitely does dark dark oh man yeah really bad definitely like the area of the heavy metal parking lot where you're like you don't want to go that that's right you know yeah don't smoke that guy's pot because it absolutely will have angel dust in that's right and you'll be totally fuck and free on and you're fucking suddenly wake up oh my god um and free on remember free on uh well shit dude i know right insane Jane.

[1279] Good job.

[1280] Oh, thanks so much.

[1281] My fucking hooray is that I got to hang out with both of my nephews over the weekend separately.

[1282] And I got to hang out with the eight -year -old nephew Micah alone.

[1283] Like, we just got like hang out and walk around and talk and eat.

[1284] And like, it just was this nice.

[1285] He's just such a different person around a bunch of people because he gets so excited and hyperactive and shit.

[1286] Not like, but.

[1287] Like a kid.

[1288] Yeah.

[1289] But this time it was just nice to talk to him and stuff.

[1290] And then my little baby, my nephew, of course, is the angelist of them all.

[1291] And so It just made me feel like a good aunt.

[1292] Nice.

[1293] That's nice.

[1294] Also, it's so good, too.

[1295] It's such a brain change because we're never around.

[1296] I feel like in that kind of life and lifestyle that we have, it's just like, you're just never around kids.

[1297] No. It's not a family lifestyle.

[1298] It's not even like slightly juvenile lifestyle.

[1299] You never get it.

[1300] And it's so important because like they're not sarcastic.

[1301] Yeah.

[1302] They're not fucking riffing all the time or trying to like put on a thing.

[1303] Totally.

[1304] You don't have to like keep up a conversation.

[1305] and ask them about dumb shit.

[1306] Nope.

[1307] It's just real connected, like connected stuff.

[1308] All he did was, like, tell me about things he's excited about, like, movies and this movie and this other movie and this character in this movie.

[1309] And, like, just, like, talk at me. It was like, nice.

[1310] Yes.

[1311] That's cool.

[1312] And I was just like, well, what did that guy do?

[1313] It was just kind of, it was fun.

[1314] That's awesome.

[1315] Yeah.

[1316] Well, then I guess I will do my, I did a lot of, so I started backup a writing job.

[1317] So, backup.

[1318] Back up.

[1319] Back up.

[1320] Oh, you started backup.

[1321] I thought you meant like a backup to the podcast.

[1322] Baskets is not a backup writing job.

[1323] Gotta have a safety net.

[1324] And it's just like the one of the best TV shows on television.

[1325] It's my version of getting an accounting degree.

[1326] Yeah.

[1327] When I want to be an actor.

[1328] No, it resumed.

[1329] So knowing that life was going to get much more dense and difficult, I just did absolutely nothing for like four days in a row.

[1330] I was really nice and I mean not like I needed it but it was I was almost like just milking the end of it before I'm like nice when you do it because you know there's a there's a thing to do it for when it's not just like I'm not going to do anything today it's like I have to catch up yes because I'm about to start some crazy shit yeah like I'm in it now I'm I'm I've turned back into like a banker you know what I can't pretend I'm like a hippie artie person it's like so I just wanted my last couple days of it so I was binge watching all kinds of crazy.

[1331] crazy shit.

[1332] And there's a series, there's an old BBC series called Tom Jones that is, it's based on the story.

[1333] It's really well done.

[1334] There's some great actors, but it's clearly from the 90s.

[1335] It's old.

[1336] But that was very satisfying.

[1337] But then I, on Labor Day, tweeted a gif where I said Labor Day weekend in your 40s.

[1338] And then it was a giff of a guy that was making a face and just slowly closing a door like horrified face.

[1339] And someone replied to that and was like, oh my God, I love the Misfits.

[1340] And I assumed it was the band.

[1341] Yeah.

[1342] And I'm like, wait, what?

[1343] That guy's from the Misfits?

[1344] And so then I look it up, it's a British series that is so fucking good and funny.

[1345] And I watched, I mean, there's a ton of, I think there might be five seasons or more.

[1346] I watched the first three.

[1347] It was, it's super, it's like dirty.

[1348] I kept thinking, what channel would this be on?

[1349] Because it can't be on just normal TV in England.

[1350] But they're so fucking liberal about sex.

[1351] They don't give a shit.

[1352] And then there's like late night shit and early night shit.

[1353] Yeah.

[1354] But this is like young people who all got arrested for something and they have to go do like, it's basically community service.

[1355] I love it.

[1356] But then while they're doing community service, a weird cloud passes over and like this odd storm starts.

[1357] And then everyone changes.

[1358] And suddenly people have special powers.

[1359] But it's like all these like narrows.

[1360] do well kids that have the powers.

[1361] Oh my God.

[1362] It is so good.

[1363] It's so funny and interesting and luckily a bunch of murderinos knew what that gift was and what the show was.

[1364] And they're like, we love that.

[1365] You love the misfits.

[1366] And I was just like, what the fuck is going on?

[1367] So you're getting credit for this badass thing.

[1368] And now you're like, no, you can actually give me credit for it.

[1369] Yeah, now I can have credit.

[1370] I didn't deserve credit on Labor Day, but I've now earned it because now I'm a humongous fan.

[1371] It's really good show.

[1372] And it's old.

[1373] I mean, people in the UK right now are like, oh, oh, really?

[1374] it's like yeah but you know we take a while to catch up people are it's it would be like if a british podcast was like you've got to watch dawson's creek it's amazing but anyway yeah i'm gonna watch it well i don't drink it's this was another one of my things just start watching everything i'm gonna do it yeah um rod should we have a challenge for this week this weekend coming up sure i actually did i didn't go to a yoga class but i rented or i bought a yoga a kundalini yoga video that i did half of it's actually kundalini yoga is interesting because it's not crazy hard poses physically it's like odd things that are duration like you have to do weird things with your arms for four minutes that you're like all of a sudden and then breathe all crazy like yes okay but they're but it's effective like it really works if you do it so i'm giving myself i'm like build up to it because it's actually hard to do and do as much as you can and then just keep on doing it.

[1375] Okay.

[1376] So that's supposed to be, they want you to do in that a 40 day yoga challenge where you do it every day.

[1377] Jesus.

[1378] So I might try to do that just because I just want to build as much as you can.

[1379] I need a practice.

[1380] Yeah, yeah.

[1381] I need to practice and I need a morning routine.

[1382] I love that.

[1383] All right.

[1384] Well, I'm going to try to go one time this week.

[1385] Okay.

[1386] Good.

[1387] Because I haven't been and I just need In fact, I need someone to answer to.

[1388] Yeah.

[1389] Good idea.

[1390] Red.

[1391] Because we keep getting tweets about people going and about people being like, I went to mine.

[1392] So we're not giving up on this.

[1393] Like, we definitely, I definitely want to continue practicing doing it.

[1394] I have a quick shout out to the Halifax Murderinos.

[1395] They did a themed yoga class for charity.

[1396] Nice.

[1397] Halifax Nova Scotia?

[1398] Yeah, they said, howdy.

[1399] This Wednesday, August 22nd, our small but mighty group of Halifax Murderinos from Nova Scotia.

[1400] took your suggestion not only went to yoga but seemed the whole damn class around it.

[1401] They told me the different kinds of poses they did and we raised over $100 for the Kristen Johnston legacy biercery.

[1402] Kristen, a yoga teacher herself was stabbed to death by her former partner in 2016.

[1403] She touched many lives here in Halifax and beyond and we couldn't think of a better reason to gather as a community and practice yoga than to honor Kristen's memory and uphold her legacy.

[1404] Wow, that's great.

[1405] Stay sexy.

[1406] Do murderino yoga.

[1407] Dara, pronounced like Sarah.

[1408] Nice.

[1409] So that's amazing.

[1410] Let's all do that.

[1411] I love that.

[1412] Also, Nova Scotia, I mean, that is a tiny area.

[1413] Where I'm one of my favorite giantesses is from Anna Swan, the giantess of Nova Scotia.

[1414] She was like eight feet tall.

[1415] Wow.

[1416] She was humongous.

[1417] Good for her.

[1418] I love her.

[1419] You love giants.

[1420] I really do love giants.

[1421] Well, you guys have been.

[1422] for listening to this episode.

[1423] So she you, Allison, Bittorino.

[1424] Ashley, I'm sorry, Ashley.

[1425] Ashley Bichman.

[1426] She's a Bitterman?

[1427] Bicherman.

[1428] Ashley Bicherman.

[1429] Allison Bichorino is like, I finally got my shadow.

[1430] Allison Bitterino is like, my life hasn't been hard at all.

[1431] Bitterino is so much different than Bitterman.

[1432] Bicherman's like, oh, what a drag.

[1433] That was really insulting.

[1434] I apologize.

[1435] to two fake people.

[1436] So sorry, fake people.

[1437] Don't have your feelings heard fake people.

[1438] But thank you for listening.

[1439] And stay sexy.

[1440] And don't get murdered.

[1441] Goodbye.

[1442] Elvis, you want a cookie?

[1443] Want a cookie for your birthday?