216 - Robe Convention

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Hello.

[2] And welcome to my favorite murder.

[3] The coronavirus years.

[4] That's right.

[5] We're in year 16 of March.

[6] How's it going?

[7] My sister sent me a text the other day that said, don't forget, it's March 97th.

[8] I saw a meme that said 30 days has September, April, June, and November.

[9] All the rest have 31 except for March.

[10] which has 8 ,000.

[11] Yep, that's the old rhyme.

[12] It's still quarantine time.

[13] Yeah.

[14] How are you doing on yours?

[15] No one needs that update.

[16] No, everyone knows.

[17] I'm fine.

[18] I just think about the people in the future who are like listening to this and like they're in the whole new world that we're hopefully in too, you know?

[19] Yeah.

[20] Oh my God.

[21] My mom, I have to tell you, my mom watches ancient aliens.

[22] She's obsessed with it.

[23] And I was on the phone with her the other day, and she goes, well, I saw ancient aliens this morning that there is definitive proof that there are no aliens that have come to visit.

[24] And she said it like, it's a provable fucking thing.

[25] She's watching ancient aliens like the news now.

[26] Yeah.

[27] And you've seen the screen grabs of like the fucking commentators on that show.

[28] They're psychotic.

[29] I mean, look, I watch that show.

[30] I'm in admitting that on this show, lots of people have written back and saying it's a super -pronger.

[31] problematic show because they basically discount all ancient knowledge as like, it'd be impossible that the Sumerians knew this.

[32] It must have been aliens, which I completely get.

[33] It's super offensive in that way.

[34] But as a spectacle, which is what most entertainment is turning into, especially for me these days, there are people on that show, I would say eight of the 10 men, and it's almost always men, that speak to you about how, you know, the great, Pyramids of Giza are lined up along Orion's belt, and that proves that the Mayans actually visited them, you know, crazy shit.

[35] And the people that explain this to you always have the ugliest necklace on.

[36] Like they go to the most tragic gift shop in the weirdest place they can find and buy a turquoise.

[37] Yeah, it's like, yes, everything seems Grand Canyon based.

[38] There's turquoise, there's eagles in forged in silver.

[39] They're always leather, always beads.

[40] Cats -eye gems and things.

[41] Yeah.

[42] That's how you know you're watching ancient aliens.

[43] The necklaces are out of control.

[44] And the hair, of course.

[45] Speaking of purely entertainment or spectacles, we now need to talk about Tiger King.

[46] Oh, shit.

[47] That everyone is obsessed with right now.

[48] Oh, hey, spoiler alert, everybody.

[49] We're about to ruin this whole series for you.

[50] it's the perfect again it's the perfect show it's a Netflix series it came out right when the quarantine started in California anyway and it was the kind of thing where we talked about it last week you and I both resisted it because so many people were talking about it on social media yeah it makes me sad I gotta be honest it's a very sad as I was saying to my friend who was like what do you like because I was saying they were they were they were you know, saying the person they like the most or whatever.

[51] And I'm like, yeah, I'm team get me away from these people.

[52] Right.

[53] There's not a favorite.

[54] But he was like, oh, are you saying you didn't like it?

[55] And I said, no, no, no, I've binged the whole thing.

[56] Yeah.

[57] But there's no one to cheer for in that entire thing.

[58] It's the darkest.

[59] It is.

[60] I mean, it's a rough story.

[61] When that fucking crazy person, Joe Exotic, was pulling the brand new tiger cub.

[62] away from its mother's teat and through the bars of the fucking cage that it's been living in its whole life, I was just out.

[63] I couldn't finish it.

[64] Well, and you knew then that the idea of caring about those animals was not true.

[65] Right.

[66] Oh my God.

[67] That's the whole study of that personality.

[68] It's just like it's fascinating.

[69] Yeah.

[70] That there's this group of people that on studying each place, each little big cat reserve is its own mini cult.

[71] Totally.

[72] That's crazy.

[73] And they're like everything, at every place, there's like, well, we found these girls that didn't have a place to stay.

[74] And now they're part of the team, aka in a fucking cult.

[75] And they're like, well, I work 18 hours a day and I'm super tired.

[76] So I don't know what I like anymore.

[77] But I do know that I got breast implants.

[78] So many dark moments As I said Texted you the other night While I was watching it Team Carol Hashtag Team Carol I don't think she killed her husband Sorry Oh honey I don't think she killed him I think that motherfucker split on her Split and went to the bottom of the swamp He's like goodbye I'm going for a deep dive The ancient aliens made the swamp And I'm going to live amongst them I feel like Anything goes with any of those people because there's something going on with the power structure of a person involving animals in their day -to -day and using animals like tools.

[79] It's the same reason I don't like putting costumes on my dogs.

[80] They have no choice.

[81] They have no control and they don't want to do it.

[82] Even when people give us very nice presents or like, I stitched a scarf for George.

[83] I'll put it on for like four minutes and I'll be like, you don't want this on, right?

[84] you don't like people clothes because you're a fucking dog.

[85] I'll put it on the cats for a quick photo and then it's off and they never have to see it again.

[86] Yes.

[87] You know, but they do it for their Instagram account.

[88] It's their influencers.

[89] Well, and same with these people.

[90] Like, what I started to realize as I was watching that show is they're all filmed all the time.

[91] You watch them performing for the camera, performing for sometimes two cameras at a time.

[92] Well, that's one thing I do like about this show is that they should.

[93] show the outtakes of the people being like, should I get that again?

[94] That one guy.

[95] Should you guys want to get that again?

[96] Why don't you get me walking in?

[97] Like, there's just, I like whoever edited it and put those like really telling moments in of just them being real and terrible.

[98] Well, and I bet you it was that director who had to be there and get directed by a guy that basically has tigers jump on a chair, but he's like, here's what we're going to do.

[99] You're going to meet me at the front door where it's like, what if that's a shitty idea?

[100] What me ringing your doorbell and you opening a door to like, hello, welcome to the Tiger exchange.

[101] What if you're being a totally completely fake person and like kind of scary with a fucking soul patch is not the best angle for TV.

[102] Maybe you're not the creator everyone's looking for.

[103] Yeah.

[104] Maybe your soul patch needs to take a seat.

[105] And also that's the guy that has like six wives.

[106] Yeah.

[107] I mean, it's just but here's the thing.

[108] In times like these where things feel so extreme, this is extreme.

[109] extreme entertainment it matches and then subdues big feelings with even bigger crazier feelings of like oh my god at least i don't live there work there that's a good point my life didn't take that turn yeah i didn't thank god i didn't go into big cats like you thought i was going to i mean and i love cats and i'm sure stephen agrees with me i love cats more than any like lots of things family friends money but I don't want a fucking tiger even I don't want a tiger Stephen right I respect them too much they would eat me given the opportunity and they're right they're right to eat you and like how many times with a regular house cat have you had a swipe that you almost brought you to your knees these are 800 pound tigers it's crazy you know what I about footage of, I think maybe what it is is I'm always waiting for the tiger attack.

[110] The one caretaker who lost their arm, it's, you know, I'm just waiting for that to happen because it's inevitable.

[111] I did, I have to say I did like that part because it was so badass that he was just like yeah, I got my hand bit off, but then I'm just back to work.

[112] It was just like, please don't focus on that.

[113] I'm not trying to talk about that where there's other things to focus on.

[114] I love, there was a couple people that really were bright, shining stars.

[115] But for the most part, that was a study in depression.

[116] Absolutely.

[117] So maybe I'll keep trying it, but I don't know if I need any extra studies of depression right now at this time.

[118] You know, it's like the reason we avoided it in the first place, I just found it insanely jarring just as a kickoff.

[119] But then the more people talked about it, and it seemed like the more people want to talk about it.

[120] I was like, well, I should know what's going on.

[121] Yeah, me too.

[122] There is a series I watch also on Netflix called The Valhalla Murders.

[123] I don't know if you watch that one.

[124] No, what's that?

[125] It's in Iceland.

[126] And it's a female, like, detective.

[127] It's really good, but it's one of the one, it's, um, subtitles.

[128] Okay.

[129] So you can't, I can't do other things besides watch the show.

[130] Yeah.

[131] Which is good.

[132] It's actually very good.

[133] It's the kind of show you want to focus on.

[134] Like it really pays off.

[135] I need that.

[136] I need more true crime shows.

[137] I think there's one, um, I want to watch.

[138] about the West Memphis 3, and it's more focused on the victims that I really want to watch.

[139] I haven't heard of that.

[140] This one sounds good.

[141] What's it, the Valhalla Murders?

[142] Valhalla Murders is also on Netflix.

[143] And I think, and I just watched one call.

[144] So I finished that really fast because it has, first of all, it has really good shots of Iceland.

[145] So there's this kind of escapism.

[146] They're always, like, weirdly running in snow.

[147] It's awesome.

[148] For me, anyway.

[149] But then there's another one, so I binge that.

[150] And then I started another one.

[151] This was these two bookended Tiger King.

[152] Oh, my God.

[153] It's called the Bay, which I just finished recently.

[154] And that one's really good, too.

[155] It reminds me of, it has just feelings of Broadchurch in that way where it's a little Bayside town that's, it's very satisfying and calming.

[156] And yet still procedural.

[157] I love it.

[158] But you like more of a documentary, right, as opposed to a scripted series.

[159] yeah but I can't watch any that are too dark because Vince won't handle it he can't handle it quick corrections corner and I think I heard about this last week from so I mean so many people who are like um this story when I said I thought the person they said it was the health care provider I assumed that meant the insurance company oh yes and 1 ,000 nurses wrote back to say no that usually means the doctor or the person that's actually treating you so chance were it was the doctor.

[160] So, of course, nurses on it, taking care of business, fixing corrections, saving lives on the daily.

[161] Please, if you get a chance, donate to anything that will help nurses and doctors on the front lines right now.

[162] If you can.

[163] Everyone's supporting them.

[164] Amen.

[165] Yeah.

[166] It's amazing.

[167] It's amazing and they truly are risking their lives and some giving their lives to fight this fucking pandemic and it's insane, especially without a central government.

[168] Really fucked up.

[169] Yeah.

[170] Well, I guess the good news that we can start with is that our new podcast on Exactly Right Network, the trailer is up.

[171] Bananas, it's hosted by our friends, Kurt Bronnoller and Scotty Landis.

[172] These are two people that when you go to an awkward party or bar and you see them and you're like, thank God they're here because they're the coolest dudes.

[173] Yeah, so if you follow comedy at all, you know Kurt Bronler from, he's got tons of comedy specials on Comedy Central, one, or he's been on a bunch of things on Comedy Central.

[174] He has a comedy special called Trust Me, but he's also been a voice on Bob's Burgers, on he's acted on Black Monday on Showtime, he's in the movie The Big Sick.

[175] So he's a very stalwart of the comedy community.

[176] And then, of course, Scotty Landis wrote your favorite horror.

[177] movie from last year ma he that was his idea um and those guys have been friends for years scotty is a writer on workaholics and adam devine's house party so like they've known each other in the comedy community and uh yeah so they're just two dudes hanging out and reading each other weird news stories and it is especially now in a time like now weird news stories don't get covered because everything is so fucked it seems like it'll be a really nice break for from when you need something light -hearted and something to kind of just take your, you know, brain away from what is going on in the real world and listen to some insane stories and just weird news from around the world, which it'll discuss.

[178] Yeah, so listen to that and, of course, do all the rate reviews, subscribe.

[179] I think it's going to be really good.

[180] And meanwhile, I don't know if you've tried out, I said no gifts by Bridger Winniger yet, But that's also another podcast that's up.

[181] And his new episode is with actor and comedian Langston, Kerman, who's on Insecure on HBO.

[182] And that episode is up today.

[183] Yeah, April 2nd.

[184] So at the end of this episode, we're going to play the trailer for Bananas as well.

[185] So you'll get to hear it.

[186] It premieres Tuesday, April 21st.

[187] And you can follow Bananas on Instagram at the Bananas podcast.

[188] Did I say this last week?

[189] that I'm going to have really great skin at the end of this, but I'm going to be depressed because I'm going to have no vitamin D. Yep.

[190] Oh, take your vitamin D. That's another one that I've read it out, which I'm doing.

[191] And vitamin C, anything for immunity.

[192] I think we may, this is the new corner of vitamins corner.

[193] Vitamin corn.

[194] Carcumin is a great one.

[195] Take your turmeric.

[196] Yeah.

[197] It's really great with inflammation.

[198] There's lots of like yogi tea that's echinacea or like for immunity.

[199] You can get any kind of like hippie.

[200] teas that just say immunity on the front.

[201] I did that.

[202] They taste great.

[203] Mushrooms are good.

[204] Immunity herbs take mushrooms.

[205] And of course, LSD in large doses.

[206] Trip out, videotape yourself doing it and send it to us.

[207] Please.

[208] You know what I did?

[209] I did the thing where it had been enough time had passed.

[210] So I was like, it's time I have to make another grocery store run.

[211] So I did it really early in the morning.

[212] I just got kind of what in front of me but I did buy two big packages of like chicken fillets like the ones that are already processed so they're kind of like already cut and it's basically half chicken breast and then I cooked I put one package in the freezer and I cooked the entire other package all at once so then I just have standby chicken breasts kind of hanging out because I'm with your hand you grab one with your hand and eat it just eat it like a walrus at the zoo Like it's licorice Feed it to myself Like I'm a big cat I just figure Because I buy stuff I don't make food every night I don't have any kind of a system To rely on So yeah I got that I'm like just make it all at once Then it's just sitting there And you can do it your way I guess the point is You don't have to become a chef Or like All of a sudden you don't have to be good in the kitchen just do the thing that doesn't waste food and gets your stuff taken care of.

[213] Do you have any little things that make you happy around the house?

[214] The cats are great.

[215] My plants that I haven't killed yet make me really happy.

[216] I mean, I'm not depressed at all.

[217] It's nice.

[218] You're just trying to keep your eye out for it.

[219] Yeah.

[220] And I'm like, oh, that would normally upset me and just being aware of it.

[221] Yeah.

[222] What about you?

[223] Oh, I was just going to brag that I have an orchid that I haven't killed yet.

[224] Oh.

[225] That I think because I'm there all the time staring at it, I keep it perfectly watered because I'm monitoring it moment to moment.

[226] That's what I'm doing too.

[227] I'm like, oh, you're drooping a little.

[228] I should water you because all I'm doing is staring.

[229] Yeah, but three drips of water in like this perfect way where you're just meeting it out exactly out as it's needed.

[230] I love it.

[231] Powerful feelings.

[232] Oh, on the other hand, I did kill the plant in my bathroom terribly by like, watching it dive thirst and not taking action.

[233] It was really odd.

[234] Isn't that the worst?

[235] It's really strange.

[236] I just like, I kind of sat back like, well, there's nothing I can do.

[237] It's like water it.

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[259] Okay.

[260] So I was, for my story this week, I was inspired by your story last week, which is the, the death of Natalie Wood.

[261] And my friend Carrie O'Donnell, who is a sometime co -host of the Sexy Unique podcast, actually suggested this story to me in a text, and I'd never heard of this, even though I've covered half of this story before.

[262] So this week, I'm doing the death of Grace Kelly.

[263] Ooh.

[264] And it involves a cults, one of the weird theories that, of course, because Grace Kelly died.

[265] The tabloids exploded.

[266] It was an accidental death.

[267] She was young.

[268] Her daughter was in the car.

[269] It was all this whole thing.

[270] And there was such a huge hit, a tabloid for tabloid papers.

[271] And the way people just could not get enough of this story, they wanted to know everything about what happened and why.

[272] So basically, the tabloids after her death, even though everything was proven to be an accident and they knew why everything happened the stories just kept coming out and they got weirder and weirder and the theories were crazier and crazier so let's see I didn't know that so let's see there was a book called Reneer and Grace an intimate portrait by an author named Jeffrey Robinson that was written in 1989 and that's where a lot of like kind of insider information comes from also the Chicago Tribune the Irish Times the Scotsman Biography .com Of course, Wikipedia.

[273] Oh, and the other reason that we were talking about this is because if you haven't seen the movie rear window and you are suffering through quarantine, it is the best movie about somebody being stuck in their house and basically witnessing a murder.

[274] It's such a good movie.

[275] So if you haven't seen it, definitely watch it.

[276] And that way, if you are a youngster and you have never.

[277] never heard of Grace Kelly before you don't know who Grace Kelly is you don't you've never heard of Princess Grace of Monaco you will get the perfect introduction to her she's um a gorgeous actress who I'm going to tell you about right now so here is in the main here's what happened to her on Monday September 13th and 1882 glimmers actress turned Princess of Monaco grace Kelly um is getting her youngest daughter 17 year old Stephanie ready to go back to Paris for the first day of school, which is on Wednesday.

[278] So their chauffeur is standing by to drive their metallic green rover 3 ,500 from their royal farm in the hills above Monaco down to the station to catch the train to Paris.

[279] So the women are filling the backseat of this car with dresses and hat boxes and suitcases.

[280] And then they find, when they're done packing, they realize there's no room left for them to sit in the back and so that's when grace tells her chauffeur she's going to drive them both down to the train station instead even though that's not something she normally did and it wasn't something she was necessarily comfortable with because they lived it's the coat d 'azur in i think southern france but you know it's like crazy windy mountainous race and then probably you have like your vision blocked because of all the the bags and stuff too, right?

[281] Like if it's a small car a little bit?

[282] Yeah, it's like a range rover.

[283] Oh, okay.

[284] So it's kind of a mountain car, but yes, they've filled the whole thing up.

[285] So basically, the chauffeur insists.

[286] He's like, I will, your royalty, I'm going to drive you to the train station and then I'll come back and get your clothes and bring them.

[287] And she's like, don't worry about it.

[288] Forget it.

[289] I'll do it myself.

[290] So they leave the farm.

[291] around 10 a .m. They drive away.

[292] It's been a very busy summer.

[293] Grace Kelly has been working.

[294] She has all her royal duties.

[295] She has so much to do all the time.

[296] She was very tired.

[297] You know, the summer was finally over.

[298] Some say she was very cranky.

[299] She'd been complaining of a headache all morning long.

[300] So essentially when they turn out onto the road at 10 a .m., they follow it down into the nearest village of La Turbi is the guess of how you pronounce it then from there they get onto a road called the D -37 so two miles down the D -37 there is a hairpin 150 degree turn to the right and this is according to her daughter Stephanie somewhere along the way Princess Grace gets a shooting pain in her head and and I'm potentially blacks out for a second loses control of the car and when she comes back she tries to slam her foot on the brake but instead she hits the gas and the car sails instead of stopping it just sails straight off the edge of the cliff it flips end over end it falls 120 feet through trees and branches and it crashes through a retaining wall and into a residence backyard down below holy shit Yeah, there's a Gardner that was working in that backyard who would later tell reporters he ran over to the wreck and pulled Stephanie out of the driver's side window.

[301] Some ancient astronaut theorists suggest that that means that Stephanie was driving and that she caused the accident.

[302] She was too young to drive or she was inexperienced or whatever, but she directly refutes that claim.

[303] And later, the police will directly refute that claim.

[304] Um, she explains that in the crash, um, as the car was slipping over, she ended up underneath the glove box, uh, on the passenger side.

[305] And then when the car landed, the passenger side door was too damaged to open.

[306] So the reason she ended up coming out of the driver's side was because that was the only way to get out of the car.

[307] Meanwhile, her mother had been thrown into the back seat and was, um, uh, basically pinned there by the steering.

[308] column.

[309] So somehow they both live through this crash.

[310] And basically, when the authorities and the first responders get there, they realize they're alive.

[311] They rush them to the hospital.

[312] It turns out Stephanie only has a hairline fracture on her vertebrae, which although is very serious, is pretty amazing, considering that.

[313] Unfortunately, Grace Kelly is in a coma and she's on life support.

[314] And basically when the doctors determine that she's not going to recover, she's taken off life support and dies on September 14th, 1982.

[315] It's almost a miracle in a way that like they, instead of flying off the cliff and like ending up in brush and like wilderness, they went into someone's yard who was there so they could get immediate attention.

[316] Otherwise, they both might have died, you know?

[317] That's right.

[318] Also, dog ear what you just said for later.

[319] Ooh.

[320] Uh -huh.

[321] Aliens.

[322] So on the day that ancient aliens.

[323] Ancient as far as suggests.

[324] So Grace Kelly was 52 years old when she died.

[325] Her funerals held four days later on September 18th.

[326] It's watched by around 100 million people.

[327] Wow.

[328] And this is 1982.

[329] Yeah.

[330] So it's like there aren't a million channels and there isn't 24 -hour news coverage.

[331] So this was a really big deal.

[332] Doctors report that the cause of the accident was a mild cerebral hemorrhage that Grace suffered while driving along the cliffs that day.

[333] But the tabloids take the tragedy and they do their best to bend it into a scandal.

[334] So once the shocking news of Grace Kelly's death begins to die down, the tabloids begin printing fantastical follow -up stories that involve cover -ups, fixed breaks, and mafia hits.

[335] and the public cannot get enough.

[336] So even after it's proven that Stephanie was not driving, stories about her being responsible for the crash and for her mother's death.

[337] A 17 -year -old?

[338] Yeah, it's horrible.

[339] And the stories about that it could have been a mafia hit or that an unknown assassin fixed the brakes.

[340] Even though they later, the forensic, you know, they checked the car out entirely and they were like, no, that wasn't actually at the break.

[341] breaks were fine.

[342] But, you know, the world was as obsessed with Grace Kelly and they were as obsessed with her death as they were with her life.

[343] So let's talk about her life for a second.

[344] So Grace Kelly was born.

[345] Let's go back to her early life.

[346] She was born on November 12th, 1929 in Philadelphia.

[347] Her family was very wealthy and like high status.

[348] They're Catholic and they, she had very high expectations put on her.

[349] She had a very stuffy, restrictive upbringing.

[350] And so she kind of became a bit of a rebel.

[351] So she was always in school plays and she danced and against her parents' wishes, she went to the American Academy of Dramatic Arts in New York in 1947.

[352] So the only way her father would let her move to Manhattan is if she stayed at the Barbizon, which was a strict women's only hotel um so you had to there was a a code of conduct that you had to agree to there was a dress code it was like strict lady living no men were allowed above the ground floor like there are all these rules yeah poiety fucking toity right now grace kelly finds her way around these around these rules because she wants to date and she wants to have an active dating life she's drawn to older rich men and she gets a reputation for being a very modern woman who is like a trailblazer and also she's one of the most beautiful women ever.

[353] She looks like a drawing of a pretty face.

[354] It's crazy.

[355] She's like magical looking how beautiful she is in that like Hollywood starlit perfection kind of way.

[356] Yeah beyond.

[357] So I'm sure at the old Barbizon she's like I'm going to need these dudes to be coming up to my room.

[358] I can kind of get what I want.

[359] Yeah.

[360] Um, yeah.

[361] So, uh, in 1949, she gets into a play on Broadway.

[362] And then from there, it just takes off.

[363] She gets a bunch of shows, uh, roles on TV shows.

[364] She gets her first feature film in 1951.

[365] It's a movie called 14 hours.

[366] She's 22 years old.

[367] And then in 1952, she gets a part in the movie High Noon.

[368] And that's her big break.

[369] then she in 1954 she stars opposite Bing Crosby in the country girl which is a huge deal back then and then she ends up getting nominated for an Oscar for that part in the country girl and she beats out Judy Garland for best actress wow yeah so um she is now a a full on like successful movie star so when she goes to the con film festival in um 195 in april of 1955, she, the magazine Perry match, they want to set up a meeting between her and the Prince of Monaco, Prince Rainier the third.

[370] And, uh, they're supposed to, I guess, have a photo shoot.

[371] The timing's bad, that it's delayed.

[372] They don't meet up at the time that it's all delayed for a month.

[373] But then on May 6th, 1955, um, the two are finally introduced and they hit it off immediately.

[374] They end up dating for the next year.

[375] And, they get married on April 19, 1956.

[376] And this wedding is a fairy tale star -studded guest list of 700 people.

[377] Fuck.

[378] Yeah.

[379] And now it's just like she's gone from the hugest thing you could be in America, which is like a leading lady movie star to the princess of Monaco.

[380] A fucking real life princess.

[381] It's just absurd.

[382] Yeah.

[383] Her and Megan Markle are the two that did it.

[384] Yeah.

[385] I'm sure there's others.

[386] I don't know.

[387] I don't know Royal the Royals by and I should.

[388] Prince Rainier and Grace go on to have three children together.

[389] Caroline was born in 1957.

[390] Albert is born in 1958 and Stephanie's born in 1965.

[391] Basically, Grace retires from acting all together and it's just purely so she can take care of her royal duties and the family.

[392] But once the kids are growing up she's starting to really feel confined by the restrictions of the royal lifestyle and she's looking to be to figure out other ways to become spiritually fulfilled and this is where allegedly the order of the solar temple comes in.

[393] Do you remember when I talked about the order of the solar temple?

[394] It's from episode 104.

[395] It'll come to you as I tell you.

[396] I was just laughing because the name of episode 104 forest garden party, which made me laugh in the Lord.

[397] I don't know what that mean.

[398] What is it, what is it about?

[399] So this is basically, if you don't remember, order the solar temple in 1984, in Geneva, Switzerland, a homeopathic doctor and new age lecture named Luke Jurey, he partners up with a guy named Joseph D 'Ambrough, and they form a cult called the Order of the Solar Temple.

[400] Jure is the front man, and he's like the main guru, de Mambro, um, manages all the behind -the -scenes logistics, both of them have been involved in different versions of cults, kind of escalating intensity of cults over the years for about a decade.

[401] So the Order of the Solar Temporal is kind of based on the Knights Templar, which is, you know, as we all know, what the Freemasons are based on and the Da Vinci Code and all that stuff.

[402] This is the part where you break off now and go watch the Da Vinci Code film starring Tom Hades.

[403] And that does all the homework for you.

[404] But essentially, Knights Templar fought in the Crusades.

[405] They developed early forms of banking.

[406] They quickly became very powerful with their treasures they got in the war.

[407] The Pope and the king at the time didn't want them to have that power.

[408] So the Knights Templar were, they were disbanded in 1312 by Pope Clement.

[409] But they just went underground.

[410] They didn't break up.

[411] So there's been numerous sects, SECTS, Georgia, don't be dirty, under different names with those same tenants over the years.

[412] So the Knights Templar legacy has basically continued on.

[413] Like now it's what the Freemasons base their whole thing on is the Knights Templar.

[414] So the difference, the order the Solar Temple, although it's based on that, the difference is, as opposed to say like chivalry or protecting the Holy Grail, In the order of the Solar Temple, their primary goal is to prepare their members for the apocalyptic second coming of Christ, which they believed would happen sometime in the mid -90s with the arrival of a sun god king.

[415] Does anyone, any of this?

[416] Brad Pitt.

[417] Brad Pitt.

[418] Right in the 90s, it's a little film called Thelman Louise and he was a son -god king in that thing.

[419] Yeah.

[420] This cult believes that it can elevate its members to be.

[421] come a super group of people who can withstand the coming apocalypse because they're on a higher plane, a higher spiritual plane than everybody else.

[422] That's the whole, that's the promise of the order of the solar temple.

[423] And they target rich elites to join them so that they can get their money.

[424] And then that also always brings in other rich elites.

[425] Are there poor elites, do you think?

[426] I mean, in their mind, but it doesn't count.

[427] The membership is secret, and they join in private lodges across Switzerland, Canada, Australia, and Martinique.

[428] So everything's going well with this apocalyptic cult until October 4th, 1994.

[429] This is the part you might remember.

[430] Local authorities respond to a call about a chalet fire, a chalet that's on fire in Moorin Heights, Quebec, Canada.

[431] And inside, they find that former men.

[432] member of the Solar Temple, Tony Dutois, and his wife, Nikki, and their three -month -old baby, as well as two other adults, Jerry and Colette Jeannot have, they're all dead, but it's not from the fire.

[433] Tony's been stabbed 50 times in the back.

[434] Nicky's been stabbed six or seven times, and their baby was stabbed with a wooden stake.

[435] And then it turns out, Jerry and Colette were sent by de Mambro to kill the family because they were telling other members of the cult that Joseph and Luke were frauds.

[436] The leaders were frauds.

[437] So basically they convinced the Junots that that baby is the Antichrist and they're so in this cult that they're like, okay, yeah, we have to take care of that.

[438] So the Jeannos go and kill the whole family and then take their own lives.

[439] Oh, my God.

[440] And then a few days later, the two leaders tell the remaining cult members the apocalypse is upon them and they orchestrate mass murder suicides at the chalais across western Switzerland because they have to find their salvation through fire.

[441] So all of these chalets are set up with incendiary devices.

[442] And then more mass death events occur on December 15th and 16th, December 15th, December 12th, December, 23rd and March and then March 23rd two years later of 1997 and by the end of all of it 74 people are dead including the founders Luke Jure and Joseph de Mambro so the total number of members during the cult's height was between four and 600 people and these were like you know the rich elites the medium elites and families and children um And they were in their prime.

[443] This cult was worth about $93 million.

[444] Oh, my God.

[445] Yeah.

[446] So, okay.

[447] So that's the bit, if you want to learn more, there's plenty of, plenty of podcasts and different things about the order of the solar temple.

[448] But essentially what happened, after all that went down, in 19, around 1997, two producers named David Cohen and David Carr Brown were making a documentary.

[449] about the order of the solar temple and at right as they're finishing up they get a tip from an anonymous french man that there's more to the story so after speaking with this man over the phone and confirming a bunch of his claims or at least the facts around his claims they agree to meet him in person we don't know this informant's name or who he is i'm saying he could be a she we do know we do know they were the head of security for Joseph de Mombrough, one of the leaders of the Order of the Solar Temple.

[450] So these filmmakers had been told by other former cult members that they interviewed, that if they could just get an interview with this head of security, he was the one who had all the inside information.

[451] And so they finally do talk to this guy.

[452] And during this in -person conversation, the informant mentions Grace Kelly's name a couple times.

[453] And basically, according to this single anonymous source, which is right there kind of the end of this because it's not corroborated in any way.

[454] Well, not in any meaningful way that and this is also how tabloids work is single anonymous sources that are unproven.

[455] Right.

[456] But essentially, in the summer of 1982, a few months before her death, Grace Kelly, it's claimed by the source that Grace Kelly became a member of a very early version of the order of the solar temple.

[457] And so here's the head of securities retelling of the events.

[458] So this single anonymous source says, a driver in a jaguar goes and picks up Princess Grace from her home in Monaco, takes her on a four -hour drive, out to an ancient priory, which is like a nunnery or a monastery, in Bougouillet, France, just north of Lyon.

[459] Security checkpoints monitor her journey.

[460] And apparently when she arrived, bouquets of white ornate flowers are arranged to welcome her.

[461] And then she's escorted from her car to a, quote, derobing chamber.

[462] And there she receives an acupuncture treatment that relaxes her.

[463] Okay.

[464] So, right?

[465] I'm on board.

[466] So you're on board.

[467] But this is right at the point of the story where everything devolves.

[468] into the plot of eyes wide shut.

[469] So this is how it's starting...

[470] You know when you're hearing a story that sounds like it's being narrated by a sixth grade girl at a slumber party that maybe it's not the truth.

[471] Okay.

[472] But this is basically they say that once that treatment's done, she's given a drink that may have a tranquilizer in it at 7 p .m. She's put it, she's dressed in white robes.

[473] with the signature Templar Red Cross on them, and she's led downstairs to the Priory's crypt.

[474] She's laid on a round altar, surrounded by, quote, Kabbalistic signs and pictures of the 12 apostles.

[475] Okay, I'm still on board.

[476] Sounds relaxing.

[477] You're in.

[478] Vognerian music is playing, and the cult's higher -ups are around the room, and they're all deciding whether or not they think, that grace should be accepted as the quote high priestess of the order they all say yes and so she's basically supposedly made the high priestess of the order and then when it's all said and done she's driven home to Monaco in the wee hours of the morning you're completely right it sounds like a six or sorry a 12 year old playing with Barbies yeah and this is the story they make up and put her on an altar oh and then they disrope her and robe her.

[479] It's like lightly, dirty.

[480] It's salacious and dirty and scandalous and, you know, it's not like it doesn't happen because we all know that these secret societies really do exist.

[481] Weird things happen.

[482] And also rich people, God knows what they get up to with their super yachts.

[483] Who the fuck knows?

[484] I mean, they do have the time.

[485] Basically, in this conversation, this informant says that after this initiation ceremony, the order asked her to donate 20 million Swiss francs to their cause.

[486] This is where the cult part comes in.

[487] That's where it always, that's so they always get you.

[488] They're like acupuncture.

[489] It's free.

[490] The acupuncture is free, but the robes cost 20 million Swiss francs.

[491] Sorry.

[492] And you spilled your margarita on it.

[493] So you have to.

[494] We know what was that's that was what her tranquilizing drink was.

[495] It was just a margarious.

[496] Really strong margarita.

[497] So apparently they ask her to give them 20 million Swiss francs.

[498] She counters with 12.

[499] You can't, you can't bargain with a cult.

[500] Also, again, this is, this tells me that McKenzie, 6th grade, McKenzie is the one making up the story where it's like, they asked for 20.

[501] She said 12.

[502] This is not a used car a lot that you're up.

[503] But apparently they got into, once they got into the argument about it, she was like, I'm giving you any money.

[504] That's so much money.

[505] I'm not giving you any money.

[506] And she and Joseph DeMonbrough got into a big fight.

[507] And so this informant says, quote, Grace threatened to expose DeMondro's demands for money and her attitude spooked him.

[508] She was, after all, not the only person of influence in the order.

[509] Yeah.

[510] And DeMondro could not afford to alienate his rich patrons.

[511] So the fear was that she was going to be like, this is a scam everybody.

[512] And they were all It would be like, Princess Grace says no more, which is also how sixth grade works.

[513] You just get one girl to be like, nah -uh.

[514] Princess Grace said that.

[515] This is stupid.

[516] We're not wearing legwormers anymore, you guys.

[517] So then basically the intrigue is it was only a few months after this alleged argument she had with de Mombro that Grace Kelly's car drove off a cliff.

[518] Suspicious.

[519] Yeah.

[520] So in December of 1997, this documentary airs on Channel 4.

[521] in the UK, and it includes this part about her alleged connection to this cult.

[522] And it is immediately met with skepticism and denial.

[523] Grace Kelly's estate promptly denies her involvement, chalking the whole thing up to sick fantasies, which is exactly what it sounds like.

[524] Does.

[525] Mackenzie.

[526] Yeah.

[527] Yeah, McKenzie.

[528] Author David Spotto, who wrote Grace Kelly's biography high society he does he denies the possibility that she was ever a member of this cult he says he's heard the rumors there's simply no concrete evidence to prove it yeah the biggest argument against this theory being true is that the order of the solar temple formerly began in 1984 grace kelly died in 1982 oh shit so the theory is that it was like this early version right when they were starting to you know, they were going to use her as like the magnet famous person to get a bunch of other people in.

[529] It's believable that that could happen because both Luke Jure and Joseph de Mambro's extensive backgrounds, they started several cults before the order, the solar temple was the one they landed on.

[530] Domombrough was in a couple.

[531] So it's plausible that they were just kind of shaping it toward her and, you know, they were just hoping other stars and royals and all these other people would.

[532] would join.

[533] But it's widely accepted and the, and the, the, the, the most believable theory is that Grace Kelly had a stroke while she was driving her car and that's how she lost control and drove off the cliff.

[534] But this circumstantial evidence that ties her to the order of the solar temple, it complicates things and as does the story that the backyard that her car ended up in.

[535] Oh, my God.

[536] Was at the home of a member of the Order of the Solar Temple.

[537] Is that true or is that a?

[538] I mean, that's what they say.

[539] So I don't know if that's verified.

[540] It seems like a very verifiable thing.

[541] Yeah, I love it.

[542] It's like the person, do they belong to that cults?

[543] And is this their backyard?

[544] That would be wild.

[545] I think that, that, even if it were a crazy coincidence, because that's the area where that cult was getting popular.

[546] Right.

[547] And it's probably not that populated over there either.

[548] If she's living there, it's probably not like a big town.

[549] Tons of people.

[550] Here's the one thing I just thought of, though.

[551] How were they a member of the Order of the Solar Temple in 1982 if it didn't start till 1984?

[552] Boom.

[553] Great question.

[554] So they could have been, it could have been like another person at that ceremony, the night that she was chosen to be the high priestess, but doesn't seem.

[555] Or she liked robes a lot.

[556] Maybe she was at a robe party.

[557] Maybe it was a robe was happening.

[558] Convention.

[559] Could there be like a Tupperware party but for robes?

[560] Because I'd go and I'd join.

[561] Yeah.

[562] So yeah.

[563] It sounds like a lie.

[564] It probably is.

[565] There always has to be intrigue and salaciousness, you know, connected to things like this.

[566] It's a cool.

[567] it's a cool you know way to think because it's it's more fun than tragic just pure tragedy tragedy tragedy but yes well it sells more papers it's just more it's you're able to talk about her a little bit more and be like what was her life like right i think we're also coming to find that you know whether you're like that this super rich are living these super weird lives that regular people don't know about and I think that's especially these days why those kinds of theories are believable because then you have a story like the Epstein story where you're just like oh my god he has a whole island like it's out of control these people go unchecked and they do whatever they want it's also this thing of like grace Kelly was probably so many people's like you know fantasy of what life could be like if you know if they were her or whatever and then for her to just die from a tragic car accident is not is not enough you know like doesn't make enough sense so they it it feels better for her to have died some like mysterious way because it's right so awful because people can't deal with just the cold hard facts of like yep people get ripped out of our hands all the time yeah you can't escape a car accident not got out well and here the you know so the chance are that this whole concept was just more fiction for people to feed off of because they weren't ready to let her go.

[568] Prince Rainier once himself said in an interview, quote, they did their best to keep the story running and it didn't show much human compassion for the pain that we were suffering.

[569] It was dreadful.

[570] And that's the story of the tragic death of Grace Kelly, Princess of Monaco.

[571] Wow.

[572] How sad I had no idea.

[573] I wouldn't have guessed it was 80.

[574] either.

[575] I would have guessed it was like the 60s.

[576] Well, the 80s are like the 60s now that we're in the 20s.

[577] That's true, right?

[578] So long ago.

[579] Great job.

[580] Thank you.

[581] This one is I'm doing the death of Kendrick Johnson.

[582] So, and I got info from a Grantland article by Jordan Ritter Khan, an article from the website Talk Murder to Me by Beth Coleman, and all that's interesting article by Natalie de Groot.

[583] And of course, read it and Wikipedia and there's just tons of articles out there about this case and I first heard about this and I saw this really disturbing photo that goes with it when it happened in 2013 and I was completely perplexed by it and I've been keeping tapped on it every since and on the surface it seems like a murder mystery especially when you factor in the like arguably shoddy crime scene handling and the fact that there's a history of racism in this town in this area in the country and there's just a lot of unexplainable factors, but a lot of people just think it's a tragic accident.

[584] So, okay.

[585] So in 2013, Kendrick Johnson was a 17 -year -old high school student at Lowndes High School.

[586] He lived at home with his family in the town of Daldosta, Georgia.

[587] And it's so, it's on the Florida, Georgia line.

[588] And someone wrote, when I looked at our Gmail, someone wrote it and said, yes, the Florida.

[589] to Georgia line is real, and it sucks just as bad as you think it does.

[590] So that's what that's like.

[591] Everyone called Kendrick, this 17 -year -old, they called him KJ, and both his family and friends describe him as a sweet and quiet boy, and he was this, like, handsome football player, high school student.

[592] And if you look at his pictures, he has this, like, sweet baby face where you can tell he's, like, trying to look older, but he still has a baby face.

[593] He's the youngest of three kids to Kenneth and Jackie Johnson, and he's a good athlete.

[594] and he dreams of playing professional football someday.

[595] So just normal kid.

[596] On January 10th, 2013, just a couple days after the holiday break had ended, KJ's mom gets worried when her son doesn't come home from school when she expected him.

[597] And he's the kind of kid who always called if he was going to be late.

[598] And so when he's not home by 9 .30, she starts to worry.

[599] And after she drives around town and drives to the school, doesn't find him, comes home.

[600] and at 12 .30 in the morning calls the police and reports him missing.

[601] And of course, the police are like, he's just out having fun with friends and, you know, he's just being a typical teenager.

[602] Don't worry about it.

[603] But by the next morning, KJ still isn't home.

[604] And so Jackie goes to school to look for him and she's sitting in the office talking to his counselor.

[605] She finds out that he missed the last of his classes the day before, never went to classes, which wasn't like him.

[606] And she's talking to the counselor about making missing flyers when suddenly, someone comes into the lobby of the office and says that a body has been found in the gym and the school's on lockdown.

[607] And the mom wasn't supposed to hear that.

[608] It was like phone was turned too high or something.

[609] So of course she freaks out.

[610] So that morning at about 10 a .m. earlier, a group of students had a ride for class in the school's gym and there are students mailing about doing whatever.

[611] And someone notices a pair of white socks sticking out of one of the upright rolled up wrestling mats you know those like blue mats yeah um it stood upright instead of laid down horizontal it's vertical it's got a strap on it and um the it's it's the mats are like six feet tall so one of the students has to climb up onto the bleachers to get a look inside because they're all confused about why their socks sticking out and they look in and see they're attached to a person and these are high school students they see it's attached to a person they think the person must be fucking around.

[612] So like, you know, hey, what's going on?

[613] And they notify the coach and he starts to overturn the mats while another student calls 911.

[614] The coach tries to pull the person out of the mat, figuring it's a joke or something, but then smells the composition and realizes what's going on, leaves it as it is.

[615] Everyone calls 911 and wait for the police and medical personnel to arrive.

[616] And this is the photo I saw is just the feat in the mat.

[617] And I still remember it from 2013 being like, this is going to be something.

[618] I'm going to follow this.

[619] You know, it's so troubling.

[620] So weird.

[621] So weird.

[622] So police immediately set to work.

[623] They tracked down.

[624] They interviewed students who went to the gym that day and the day before.

[625] And from statements and security footage, they're able to confirm that Kendrick had been, to classes earlier and walked into the gym at 109 p .m. the day before, but there's no security cameras positioned at the mat so they don't see what happened.

[626] But other students show entering the gym just three minutes after him and didn't see him.

[627] So it's really confusing as to what happened.

[628] Police discover from other students that some of the kids use those wrestling and cheerleading mats to store their like PE clothes because they the school charged for lockers and so some kids would just like didn't want to spend the money on a locker would just throw their shoes behind those mats grab them at PE when they needed them and Kendrick was one of those kids they paid and he shared a pair of shoes with another kid that they would keep in the mat so the wrestling mats were actually usually usually usually usually was easy for Kendrick to get to them he would just reach in and grab them.

[629] But over the Christmas break, someone had set them up to be vertical, maybe to clean the gym or something.

[630] So that day when he went to find his shoes, they weren't where he normally just grabbed them from.

[631] Kendrick's body is barely off school property later that day before the sheriff's office makes an official announcement saying that Kendrick had climbed over several vertical mats to reach the one with his shoes.

[632] And being unable to tilt the mat, he had instead reached down inside and tried to get the shoes by going into a mat and gotten accidentally stuck his feet sticking up and his head pointed down and because he was stuck in a tight space with no way to get out he suffocated and that's how he died horrible and this theory I know is further corroborated by the fact that when the mat is unrolled KJ he had one arm stretched above his head and the other one down around his waist as though he was reaching for something so So this confirmed the initial autopsy that reveals that Kendrick died due to what's called positional asphyxiation.

[633] So what that means is that he suffocated as a result of being stuck upside down in an enclosed space for an extended period of time.

[634] Just 24 hours after being found, the investigators ruled Kendrick's death and accident.

[635] So positional excexiation, it's a controversial and difficult to diagnose cause of death.

[636] And there's only been 37 known cases of it since the term came around in the early 90s.

[637] Oh, wow.

[638] So it's, yeah, it's not a normal thing.

[639] It's usually used to explain a death if literally everything else has been ruled out.

[640] And they're not quite sure exactly what happened, according to the internet, positional exfixiation is then brought into play.

[641] But right from the start, KJ's parents refused to accept the police's version of the events.

[642] And they demand more answers.

[643] demand to see Kendrick's body before his autopsy and they're not allowed to.

[644] They don't believe that their young athletic son could have, you know, died, trapped inside a rolled -up wrestling mat.

[645] And the mat KJ is found in is six feet tall and he's five, nine.

[646] And the diameter of the whole inside of this mat is 14 inches when it's rolled up.

[647] But KJ's shoulder span is 19 inches.

[648] So it's almost hard to believe he could even Start to go into that mat You know what I mean?

[649] Yes and it doesn't make sense that like It's almost the suggestion that he would just kind of dive into a thing That's way too narrow for him Simply to get shoes that were on the other side That if you just knocked it over they'd be right there available to you Right it doesn't it doesn't feel like a thing that someone would actually attempt No. The claustrophobia, you wouldn't even have to have claustrophobia.

[650] Yeah.

[651] To be like, no, I'm never doing that.

[652] Like, nothing about that seems like a good idea.

[653] I'm just thinking of this too, but like he had tennis shoes on.

[654] So it almost would make more sense for him to be like, oh, those shoes, I can't grab them.

[655] I'm just going to wear what I have on.

[656] It's not like he had on flip -flops and needed those tennis shoes badly, you know?

[657] Yeah.

[658] I mean, like, what are the circumstances?

[659] wouldn't you just be like, I'll take my F for the day and P .E. And not deal with it.

[660] I mean, who knows?

[661] Right.

[662] It's very, it's very odd.

[663] To me, that's the oddest part of the story is someone even doing that.

[664] So, and because of his size, it seems impossible that he got into the mat by himself at all.

[665] His parents maintain that his size versus a size in the mat alone is enough to debunk the police's theory or at least cause some more investigation, you know?

[666] I agree.

[667] Yeah, it's a discrepancy.

[668] KJ's parents are suspicious of the investigators.

[669] the beginning.

[670] They believe that the sheriff's department is too quick to rule out foul play.

[671] The Johnsons are also sure that their son's body hadn't been properly handled at the scene, which I think it's hard to argue with them.

[672] It really wasn't a great crime scene.

[673] According to Georgia law, police must notify the local coroner or medical examiner immediately after discovering a dead body.

[674] But the local coroner isn't called to the scene for six hours after KJ is found six fucking hours.

[675] That's official mishandling.

[676] That's actual mishandling, yeah.

[677] It's no bullshit.

[678] And law enforcement and everyone at the scene, they also didn't put on the, like, those little shoe covering, the booties that are supposed to be used so that you don't contaminate the evidence.

[679] There's photos of their shoe, like actual shoes in the crime scene photos.

[680] Right.

[681] KJ's parents also believe that their son's death isn't being taken seriously because of his race.

[682] KJ is black, and the Lowndes County Sheriff, Chris Prines, and his entire staff of investigators, they're all white.

[683] And the Johnson's family attorney assert that a KJ had been white, the case would have been handled differently.

[684] When the family finally gets to access KJ's body, they take pictures of him post -mortem, and they're insanely graphic photos.

[685] Like even me who can handle crime scene photos, this is not that.

[686] And they post them all over and as soon as people see how horrific these photos are, they are like drawn to act and to find out what happened.

[687] It looks like he's been beaten up and there's a huge outpouring of support from the black community for the Johnson family and they all believe in injustice has been done.

[688] Then the photo gets people taking a closer look at the conflicting evidence found at the scene.

[689] So one of the most controversial pieces of evidence, and there's quite a few, some I'm not even talking about right now, is the black and white sneaker that's found underneath KJ in the mat.

[690] So if he were actually doing what they said he did, which is reaching for a sneaker, it would be this sneaker.

[691] And the thing is, it's sitting in a pool of blood, which is what happens when you are inverted like that and die is eventually fluids leak.

[692] But the shoe, and there's a crime scene photo of it, doesn't have a drop of blood on it.

[693] So if he were in that position and the shoe is where they said it was in this fucking puddle of blood, why wouldn't the shoe have any blood on it?

[694] So the puddles around the bottom of the shoe, but there's nothing actually on it.

[695] Nothing.

[696] Wow.

[697] Yeah.

[698] Maybe it was moved by a sloppy crime scene technician or maybe it was staged by somebody.

[699] You know, it could have even been the teacher who initially found it, like, tried to throw things back the way he thought it was.

[700] But, you know, if they had said that, all these things keep, like, leading up to a conspiracy because nobody is acknowledging how fucked up everything was, you know?

[701] Yeah.

[702] And so it points to the Johnson family, it points towards a cover up.

[703] Another thing that's odd is the shoes he was wearing that day aren't on his feet.

[704] So you look into the, there's a photo I saw.

[705] the first time is you look into the mat and you see his feet in the mat and in his white socks and his shoes that he was wearing that day are kind of tucked next to his legs so his shoes aren't on him which is weird to me when I first saw it and being a total amateur is that it looks like someone threw the shoes in afterwards after him as a way to get rid of them oh but it could be that he was you know if the theory is true that he got stuck down there he could be trying to back out of the mat that was a vertical and his shoes came off in his struggle.

[706] You want to see the photo?

[707] You want to see the photo?

[708] Oh, no. Those look like they've been thrown in.

[709] Doesn't it?

[710] Yeah.

[711] Keep in mind, though, that that is the mat after it was turned on its side by the teacher.

[712] Originally, it was standing straight up.

[713] So maybe the teacher, they tumbled out when the teacher turned it and he threw them back in to maintain the crime scene or whatever the fuck.

[714] But it's, it's suspicious don't you think yeah because i feel like any especially in this day and age of like c s i and whatever is like you wouldn't throw them back in if they came out you'd leave them where they were it's like yeah that idea is odd and doesn't that that space that he's in look tiny impossible to like wiggle yourself into and why the fuck would you even do that also i mean the point of that he's already wearing tennis shoes right is because I completely assumed it was I have to get these shoes I will get in trouble I'm not going to get you know it's like that whole thing where sometimes like high school kids do weird stuff because of the weird high school rules that like when you're an adult you're like oh yeah that's right it's and your brain isn't fully formed and so you make bad decisions but I don't think no this doesn't look like any of that it doesn't look like oh I got myself into a weird like pickle and And then really unfortunate things happen because that's that kind of like, I don't know, I mean, this is just from basically what you've presented to me. But it doesn't, it's not like he was stuck somewhere and trying to get air.

[715] He, we're supposed to believe he went down into a thing to get shoes he didn't actually need.

[716] Right.

[717] So, yeah.

[718] Why would you risk that?

[719] Totally.

[720] Being in that tiny space.

[721] Also, it makes, it just doesn't make sense that anyone would die.

[722] down into something or you know not even fast but like head first into a thing I don't think people would do that like you wouldn't risk being caught upside down because that would be so taller than you it's not like it's a three feet foot thing that your arm gets stuck in no it doesn't that doesn't make sense at all to me no there's so many arguments for this being an accident but I just can't get past that this doesn't seem like something someone would do there's also a hoodie and a of orange and black random gym shoes that are found lying on the gym floor as well as visible blood drops on a wall nearby but the investigators don't take any of those the hoodie or the shoes into evidence they just are like oh it's unrelated don't take them into evidence they test they test the blood and so the night before there was like a cheer or you know flag practice going on and this girl said I got hit in the nose with the flag and I bled and that's why there's blood.

[723] So they take swabs of the blood.

[724] They test it against Kendrick.

[725] It's not his blood.

[726] And then they do nothing.

[727] They don't test it against anyone else.

[728] They don't corroborate that it's her blood.

[729] They just are like, oh, it's not, it's not relevant.

[730] So the Johnson family petitions for a second autopsy of KJ's body with the help of the Valdosta.

[731] Southern Christian Leadership Conference and the NWCP and a county judge grants them permission.

[732] So five months after the initial investigation, a second autopsy is done.

[733] And they do this by exhuming his body, which I'm sure is just so traumatic in itself.

[734] The family hires a private pathologist, Dr. William Anderson.

[735] And when he opens up the body, he finds inside of KJ's body, instead of his organs, which are missing, he discovers that the body, he's been stuck with newspapers.

[736] What?

[737] Yeah.

[738] The Georgia Bureau of Investigation claims that when KJ's body was sent to the funeral home after the first autopsy, that they had sent along KJ's organs.

[739] It was all like signed for that everything is here and where they're supposed to be.

[740] But the funeral home said that it received the body without the organs and they said it's common practice to replace the organs with paper or sawdust while embalming.

[741] and according to the Georgia Bureau of Funeral Services, to do so is not best practices, but it's also not illegal and doesn't violate any laws.

[742] But then that means that it didn't, the communication was never, like there was no through line of communication so that when they went to exhume the body, no one said, hold on, there's no point because there's no organs in there.

[743] You can only, yeah, you can't test any of the organs.

[744] you can look at the like superficial body and see if there's anything they missed but but why would you like let a family exhumed their own child if you knew somewhere along the line who knew that the organs weren't in the body why was that not conveyed so that that exhumation never took place a hundred percent that by itself is horrifying it is but then what that actually points to is not good right and it could have nothing to do with the case itself at all.

[745] It's just such a, it's like another level to this nightmare that's worth taking a look at and just horrible.

[746] Well, and it's indicative of the way these, um, these different departments handle their shit because that's, that's very important, obviously.

[747] And one of the departments should know whether or not the organs are in the body when they go to the next place.

[748] Totally.

[749] So there's somebody in between those.

[750] to the sheriff's or whatever you said and the funeral home yeah that should get figured out right it might just be the funeral home but of course the people who think there's conspiracy going on just think this is another layer of it understandably and the other thing that never made it to the funeral home or did and then got discarded is the clothes he was wearing that day so there's a list of his clothes his shorts his t -shirt all this stuff gone.

[751] So that can't be tested either for touch DNA or blood or anything gone.

[752] Rumors are spread that there's some kind of organ harvesting ring going on and that Johnson's did try to sue the funeral home for mishandling their son's body, but the case is dropped.

[753] And the organs are lost so they can't be tested.

[754] The other thing too is that during his autopsy, all his fingernails were clipped.

[755] And his family was like he liked to keep his fingernails long so we know that this isn't how he wore them, and I don't think there's any fingernail clippings to be tested, which is a red flag.

[756] Despite the missing organs, the pathologist concludes that Kendrick's death is not an accident on the second autopsy.

[757] He finds bruising around KJ's neck caused by blunt force trauma.

[758] When confronted with the new findings, the federal investigators commission a review of both autopsies, and they determine that the first autopsy carried out by the GBI is more credible.

[759] So they discredit the second autopsy that was brought on by the family.

[760] The Johnson's request a coroner inquest in the hopes of reopening the investigation, but the request is denied.

[761] But as a result of this new evidence and weeks of protests by the Johnson family, Matthew Moore, who's the U .S. Attorney of Georgia, announces a formal review of the case.

[762] At the same time, the South Georgia judge grants KJ's family access to the high school's surveillance video, which they hadn't seen before.

[763] So there's a lot of controversy around the video footage itself because a lot of people think it's been altered, of course.

[764] All the cameras at the school are motion detected.

[765] So when someone comes into frame, it starts.

[766] So something far away isn't really going to get picked up always.

[767] It has to be kind of close.

[768] And when you watch it together, it looks like, you know, kids are appearing out of nowhere.

[769] It doesn't really make a lot of like linear sense.

[770] And also the timestamps on each, because they can show KJ walking through.

[771] through the high school to get to the gym, they show him go in the gym, they show him walking towards the mats, and then that's all they captured.

[772] But between all those different video cameras, like video systems that caught him, some of them are timestamp wrong.

[773] So there's one that's 20 minutes fast.

[774] So there's no, like, great way to show where he actually was.

[775] But there's also whole entire hours from the footage in the gym that's missing right at the time that could have shown what happened that day and of course this just feeds into more conspiracy theories well yeah I know yeah that's not a conspiracy theory that's a fact that's a theory based theory of why the fuck wouldn't all that be there right totally also what's the what's the point I get the idea that you can't just be rolling surveillance footage constantly but you do need a system that if if something needs to be checked it makes sense like why would you have have a thing that just starts and then you kind of don't know like nothing about that no and then next one is 20 minutes off and then this one's back at the normal time and you know what's the point don't have them if then they just they aren't going to they aren't going to actually tell a linear story it's crazy and it's also like you know if you had cooperated or at least had some kind of empathy for the parents and walked them through what happened you know which you can argue is because of their race, then maybe they would have been accepting of the idea that maybe this was an accident.

[776] But instead, you know, it's this complicated situation where there's a lot of blank spots.

[777] And well, complicated and mishandled.

[778] Because then it's not, they're not investigating to the full.

[779] They're coming in and going, here's what happened.

[780] Here's why.

[781] And meanwhile, not collecting all the evidence.

[782] Like not looking into the story, telling the story, and then saying, you have to be happy with this story.

[783] Being like, no, it's not Kendrick's blood.

[784] Whose blood is it?

[785] We didn't test it.

[786] We don't know.

[787] That's not an answer, right.

[788] That's not an answer.

[789] So in 2014, KJ's parents file a wrongful death suit against the school's officials alleging that KJ had been harassed by a white student and his actions had been neglected by the school.

[790] And according to the family, so this is the like big theory of what happened, of what everyone things happened.

[791] This is alleged.

[792] I'm not saying any names because no one's an actual suspect.

[793] But Kendrick had gotten, the theory is that Kendrick had gotten into a fight about 14 months earlier with another football player on his bus.

[794] They used to be friends, but people said that the two of them got in a fight because maybe Kendrick hooked up with his girlfriend.

[795] And they say over the past months before his death, there was all this tension between Kendrick, this white kid and his brother.

[796] and that they were the ones who killed Kendrick in the gym that day.

[797] KJ's parents posted the kids' names on Facebook and thinking that boys were connected.

[798] The two brothers that they're accusing, their father is an FBI agent.

[799] Oh, yeah.

[800] So, and I think he's somehow involved in the case as well.

[801] So that obviously is going to stoke some conspiracy theories.

[802] And so they theorize that the FBI guy is controlling F. everything and covering it up because his sons did it.

[803] And then that family, the two sons and the FBI agent, ends up being subject to when they have an early morning raid.

[804] The brothers' phones, laptops and cameras are seized.

[805] Police don't find any evidence that they had anything to do with Kendrick's death.

[806] They also both had pretty strong alibis.

[807] But even though they're not officially suspects, the brothers' names get out.

[808] They start getting cyber bullied.

[809] They're written about in articles as if they're real suspects.

[810] And they're, um, they're not.

[811] names become associated with the case and that one of the brothers, this causes one of the brothers to lose his full ride scholarship to university.

[812] You know, it just impacts their lives like this.

[813] A judge later orders the Johnson's to pay for the family's legal fees, which totals nearly $300 ,000 because of everything that was brought in based on this case.

[814] So basically because the Johnsons published the names, yeah, they were then basically held accountable.

[815] Yeah.

[816] Yeah.

[817] So in January 2015, the Johnson's file a 100 million civil lawsuit against 38 people, including three of their son's classmates, the school, the local crime lab, state and federal officials, five agents of the GBI, an FBI agent, and more.

[818] And the parents say that the son of the FBI agent killed KJ and used their connections to cover it up.

[819] But they don't really have any evidence for this.

[820] And so the Johnson family ends up dropping the suit.

[821] Meanwhile, while the SCLC and the NWACP had been conducting their own investigation into KJ's death.

[822] Both organizations had initially supported the Johnson's theory that Kendrick's death was suspicious.

[823] But the more they investigated, the more they realized there's no actual evidence pointing to foul play.

[824] And so speaking in 2015, Reverend Floyd Rose, who's president of the SCLC, said, quote, over 100 people would have to be lying and telling the same story for two years, risking the loss of their jobs, their retirement, jail time.

[825] I think the murder theory is not only false, but also ridiculous and based only on wild speculation and outright fabrications.

[826] Over the next year, lawyer after a lawyer drops the Johnson family as they continue to file more lawsuits against all these people.

[827] And in 2016, Michael Moore, the DA officially closes the case in rules that KJ's death was accidental.

[828] And the Department of Justice can't find enough evidence to support federal criminal charges.

[829] And, you know, they can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that this wasn't just a tragic accident.

[830] In June of 2018, after a supposed witness testified that KJ was killed with a 45 pound weight or dumbbell and that the surveillance video was edited.

[831] So it looks like an anonymous source wrote a letter in saying, this, I heard from someone that this all happened.

[832] Kendrick's body is exhumed for a second time.

[833] And a third autopsy is performed.

[834] The family believes that the body shows signs of beating and they hire Dr. William Anderson again.

[835] He finds blunt force trauma on KJ's thorax.

[836] You know, he finds more evidence that KJ was killed.

[837] So seven years, multiple investigations, dozens of lawsuits, and three autopsies later, the Johnsons are still convinced that there's more to KJ's death than what is being told to the public.

[838] And they're not giving up the search for his killer.

[839] And on the anniversary of death, the family released white balloons in his memory and organized a march for him.

[840] I looked up on our email account to see if anyone had gone to high school at the time.

[841] And I got an anonymous email.

[842] It said, I will never forget the moment of hearing a dead body was found at the high school.

[843] This is someone who went to a school adjacent.

[844] I remember going home and crying because it was the first time I realized that you weren't safe at school.

[845] A lot of kids transferred to private schools in the area or went to different school districts the next year when it came time to attend that high school.

[846] My school expanded their, so then she ends up going to this high school.

[847] And she says, my school expanded their bandroom into the old gym, kind of tore down this gym that he was found in.

[848] And the first day we transferred into the new band room, one of his friends said, no matter how much money they spend to make the room look different, I can't forget what happened in here.

[849] She said, As the case has become almost a political debate in my hometown, most conservatives believe it was an accident, and everyone else with a brain knows it was murder.

[850] So I don't think they're ever going to come to a consensus about what happened.

[851] Well, the part that you said where that the, whoever said it where it was like, this is just wild speculation.

[852] It's not.

[853] It's not wild speculation.

[854] Like whoever did that kind of summary thing of like, this is ridiculous.

[855] and there's no proof of foul play, it seems to me with just the two things you showed me, there's absolutely proof of foul play.

[856] And it's not wild speculation.

[857] It's an incredibly suspicious death that was processed incorrectly.

[858] Right.

[859] I mean, like, with some serious problems.

[860] Like, there's nothing worse than when someone comes in, like, in the end and, like, you know, sums it all up like, and it was ridiculous that they ever had doubts.

[861] in the first place, yeah, where it's like, absolutely there's, this is suspicious and bizarre.

[862] This is one of those cases where I feel like if I were at a bar with someone and they were like, debate this case, I could take either side and debate it well.

[863] You know what I mean?

[864] Like, sure.

[865] I could, even if I believe one thing actually happened and I don't believe it's this other thing, I could debate it on either side because it's just so complicated.

[866] It's super complicated.

[867] The problem, the reason that you can debate both sides is because the police did not process that scene fully.

[868] So there's a bunch of question marks where there should absolutely be final answers.

[869] They should know whose blood is around that room.

[870] They should have taken the time to actually give a shit about that crime scene.

[871] It is, it's, you know, from what you said, what year was it?

[872] 2013.

[873] Yeah.

[874] There's no excuse why that crime scene wouldn't be completely locked down, completely.

[875] completely processed and everything be taken care of.

[876] Yeah, the rules fall to the, like, followed to the letter.

[877] Yes.

[878] This is how you process a scene, whether it's a crime or not, it's a dead body and you need to process it in a certain way.

[879] Yes, because how can you go from, how can you, if you assume it's an accident, it is your job to prove that it's an accident.

[880] And you can't do that by standing back and going, yeah, we kind of think it is.

[881] So quit asking questions.

[882] Yeah.

[883] That's what's suspicious.

[884] And then when they announced 24, less than 24 hours later that was an accident, it's like, please put more time into it.

[885] Yeah, work on these cases.

[886] Yeah, it's just, I mean, like, whoever made the wild speculation speech is so deeply wrong.

[887] And what they should be talking about is when, like, when scenes aren't processed correctly and evidence isn't taken entirely, you can't tell the whole story.

[888] You can't.

[889] And at the end of the day, at the end of the day, it's just, I remember seeing that photo I showed you in 2013 and either way that kid suffered.

[890] And yeah, either way, this poor kid suffered and deserves a definitive answer.

[891] His family deserves a definitive answer and closure, whether it's, you know, justice because someone murdered him or it actually being a tragic accident.

[892] And it just doesn't seem like they're ever going to get it.

[893] Well, and I think they're right to be mad because we all know for a fact that if it was a little blonde cheerleader found dead in one of those rolled up gym mats, that they would have locked that whole school.

[894] I mean, they would have done everything they could and pulled everybody in.

[895] And yeah, I think it is we, everybody has heard this story so many times where it's just like we, we understand how things like this get priority.

[896] things like these get prioritized and the hand that kind of like even subverted racism has in it where it's just about priorities and it's you know and it's also a year it would this happen a year after Trayvon Martin was murdered it's just there's a lot of yeah rightful indignation yeah understandable yeah and so that is better better work right so that's the story of the death of Kendrick Johnson.

[897] Wow, you know, it's weird.

[898] I've never heard this story.

[899] It's not, it's very much a Reddit deep dive late at night thing, you know, which I've been doing lately.

[900] Right.

[901] And you kind of just check in, like, I remember seeing it and being like, I'm going to check in on that.

[902] It's one of the stories that you just never hear about again because it never comes up again.

[903] But the photo is so disturbing that I always kind of checked in on that.

[904] Yeah.

[905] And I wish I could have done it with a definitive.

[906] answer at the end of it, but it's just not there.

[907] Yeah.

[908] Well, and it sounds like with the way they've processed it, all the answers that those are the answers.

[909] The answers that have been given are the ones you're going to get because, yeah, man, it's so disturbing about the autopsie and the not processing who has the organs.

[910] I mean, like that, that alone, these people are in grief and then they're having to deal with stuff like that.

[911] That's, and they're right about it like anyone to take not finding out until the second autopsy is done instead of finding out before the body you know before his body is exhumed it's it's it's unconscionable to go through that and have it not even be worth it I mean right just yeah thank you and apologies to lily for doing the research I feel like I sent her down a real dark hole yeah um should we do fucking hooray oh and just a quick reminder that uh stay tuned at the end of this episode there is a trailer for our brand new weird news podcast starring Kurt Bronler and Scotty Landis called Bananas.

[912] You're going to love it.

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[914] It's coming to you soon and we're so excited.

[915] Okay.

[916] Should I go first?

[917] Sure.

[918] This is from watermelon, but it's spelled, I don't know why I'm so tickled by that, underscore water, M -E -L -L -L -Y -N, underscore.

[919] And watermelon says, great episode.

[920] want to tell y 'all my fucking hurry today I live in Nashville and we had a big tornado at the beginning of March do you remember how long ago that was there was that awful tornado that ripped right through Nashville it was really scary and that seems like it was four years ago and it was the beginning of this month unbelievable okay I mean last month my neighborhood was already reeling from that and when we all we all started to realize how serious this pandemic was I was couch surfing due to damage to my apartment.

[921] Here's the hooray part.

[922] I decided to move back into my apartment, even though it still doesn't have most amenities.

[923] I know that sounds silly, but just being in my home has made all the difference.

[924] It's not perfect, but it's mine, and I have had a smile on my face ever since I got back.

[925] Thanks for all that you do.

[926] I've thought about couch surfers during this time.

[927] Yeah, horrible.

[928] How hard that must be.

[929] Yeah, to be kind of weirdly in between or no, it's horrible.

[930] Well, I'm glad you got your home back.

[931] What a fucking double whammy of bullshit.

[932] Oh, this one spoke to me personally, so I wanted to read it.

[933] This is by Kay Deppstein from Instagram.

[934] So glad these podcasts are still rolling out.

[935] My personal fucking hooray right now is the realization that struggling with anxiety for my entire life has prepared me for this exact moment.

[936] I have been feeling oddly calm about everything going on and thinking, I'm usually an anxious mess.

[937] What gives?

[938] And then it hit me that I've been working for years to manage my fear around uncertainty, lack of control, and unexpected change.

[939] While many people are facing those fears for the first time in a significant way, I'm so grateful for the skills I have learned through therapy and the chemicals I have gained through medication, which are helping me ride this current shit show with relative ease.

[940] I was like, why does this feel normal?

[941] Oh yeah, I'm always scared to go in a grocery store, not just now.

[942] Yeah.

[943] makes you feel a little less alone now everyone's on board.

[944] Yeah, I mean, I don't like this.

[945] I don't want to get sick, but fuck.

[946] So the subject line of this one is Teddy Bear Hunt.

[947] This is from the fan cult forum.

[948] It says, my fucking hooray is to all the neighbors in my Hyde Park neighborhood of Chicago who have placed teddy bears and other stuffed animals in their windows so kids can look for them when the parents get them out of the house for a walk.

[949] My sister told me about this.

[950] They're doing it in Petaluma, too.

[951] It's called a bear hunt where just little kids have something to do as they walk around their neighborhood.

[952] It says the list is up to 294 homes who have done it including mine.

[953] Fucking hooray to all the parents at home with their kids.

[954] So have some fun on your walk.

[955] That is the most beautiful thing I've ever heard.

[956] I have chills.

[957] Sorry, that's from V -feel -1.

[958] I didn't know that.

[959] You know your sister texted me the other night, by the way?

[960] Oh, what did she say?

[961] what did she say something about the tiger king i think that's hilarious because you know she does not listen to this podcast so she didn't do it just to be cute i didn't tell her what we talked about i love it i'm so i love getting it's the best okay this one is from rainbow dot meow shine wow okay did mimi send this email to you definitely my hashtag fucking hooray oh that's another thing on Instagram, if you just find the hashtag fucking hooray and follow it, you'll see people's comments, which is really uplifting.

[962] My fucking hooray is that my nurse mom overcame COVID -19 this week.

[963] Oh, shit.

[964] I know.

[965] No more fever, breathing normally, upright.

[966] We haven't seen her or my dad for almost a month because that's how long she's been sick.

[967] She was quarantined before COVID -19 officially canceled the world.

[968] So happy my mom is getting healthy.

[969] Can't wait until I can actually hug her.

[970] That's a, I feel like one of the worst things about getting sick with this is not being able to go to your family's bedside and hold anyone's hand.

[971] And that must be like the hardest part.

[972] It's horrible.

[973] Our family friend, um, uh, Jen, my friend Jen had a baby and her no one in her family could come in.

[974] I think she, I think her, um, husband, the father of her child got to be there.

[975] But, But the rest of the family had to wait in the parking lot.

[976] Isn't that horrifying?

[977] No, it's terrible.

[978] And that's, I mean, yeah, across the board, it's, yeah, it's terrible.

[979] But here's a fucking hooray that might turn it around for you.

[980] This is from Lilissa.

[981] It looks like Lily SSA.

[982] After four years of living apart and one year of long -distance marriage, my husband and I finally purchased a home we can live in together.

[983] He's currently deployed, and due to COVID -19, his schedule time to come back home has been pushed back.

[984] And he has to be quarantined for two weeks once he gets here.

[985] However, I am so excited to finally start this new chapter in our lives, no matter how many hiccups we've experienced along the way.

[986] I get to live with my husband in my dream house in just a few months.

[987] Woo -hoo.

[988] All caps.

[989] Beautiful.

[990] Thank you for your service.

[991] Did they say they were in the military?

[992] I don't remember.

[993] Yes, she, her husband's in, in the military, but can't come home on time because of a coronavirus.

[994] What?

[995] We're living in walking, talking history right now.

[996] I mean, it's so, it's so crazy.

[997] Beyond.

[998] Okay, here, this one made me almost cry.

[999] This is from Franny underscore Merkel.

[1000] Hi, my fucking hooray is this.

[1001] My mom's a nurse near Westchester, New York, and she's been working a lot.

[1002] Tonight we decided to play cards, her with her mask on and me six feet away on the other side of the table.

[1003] And we both reached to get a card.

[1004] And she took my hand and was like, I love you.

[1005] And I proceeded to cry because I haven't been able to touch her in weeks.

[1006] And she's literally risking her life for others.

[1007] Yeah.

[1008] I can't believe I have a super mom.

[1009] Shout out to all the medical professionals out there who are running head first into the storm.

[1010] Thanks for reminding us.

[1011] That being afraid is okay, but it's not okay.

[1012] Oh, fuck.

[1013] Thanks for reminding us that being afraid is okay, but it's not okay to be crazy.

[1014] Sorry.

[1015] But it's not okay to be crazy.

[1016] No, it's better than that.

[1017] It says, thanks for reminding us that being afraid is okay, but it's not okay to be a crazy asshole.

[1018] That's right.

[1019] Love you, ladies.

[1020] Stay sexy and clean.

[1021] Fran.

[1022] Fran and Fran's mom.

[1023] Thank you, France mom, for kicking us.

[1024] Bless your home.

[1025] are unbelievable.

[1026] I hope she won at Gin Rummy.

[1027] Yeah, really.

[1028] I hope she won all the, all the bottle caps and all the pieces of candy.

[1029] It really is true the medical professionals are running into a storm every day.

[1030] They really are every single day.

[1031] It's beyond.

[1032] I saw a video of the medical professionals giving a round of applause to the janitorial sort of people who are serving those hospitals.

[1033] and medical facilities.

[1034] Yep.

[1035] I mean.

[1036] And risking their lives to clean those facilities.

[1037] It's heroic.

[1038] You think any fucking billionaire CEO would do that shit?

[1039] No fucking way.

[1040] No, they're all out on their boats in Micronesia and shit.

[1041] Also, when I watched that video, the first thing I thought of was this video is 90 % women.

[1042] It's female doctors, it's nurses, female doctors.

[1043] There was one dude in the back that I could see, and the cleaning staff were women.

[1044] Amen.

[1045] Just a note.

[1046] This is a little turn, but it's on the same theme.

[1047] It's from Ali Steiklin.

[1048] It says, hey, murdering, I was about 12 years ago.

[1049] I inherited all of my grandpa's home photography equipment when he passed away.

[1050] There are about 25 carousels, a 35 millimeter slides full of memories.

[1051] Everything from trips, he and my grandma took around the world to home photos are preserved in these slides.

[1052] My mom was estranged from her family from before I was born until I was in first grade.

[1053] When I finally got to meet my grandparents, I had a whole lot of love to give, and they did too.

[1054] Grandpa loved showing me these pictures and telling me all sorts of stories to accompany the pictures.

[1055] During the quarantine, I've been working on digitizing these slides and uploading them to a shared space where everyone in the family can see them.

[1056] I just hit the 1 ,000 picture mark, and I'm not even halfway through.

[1057] Yes.

[1058] I feel so fortunate to have this.

[1059] opportunity to help grandpa get his pictures to the whole family.

[1060] I wish he was still here for the storytelling, but his pictures do a pretty damn good job telling their own story.

[1061] So fucking hooray for grandpa and these beautiful pictures.

[1062] Stay safe and healthy murderinos.

[1063] The world needs you.

[1064] Ali S. That's so beautiful.

[1065] I love the thought that she has time to do these emotional, you know, chores that we're never going to get to in our day to day life, you know?

[1066] Right.

[1067] Yeah.

[1068] And I'm sure as she does them, she's discovering how amazing.

[1069] You know, like, we look at stuff like that.

[1070] It's like, oh, it's so emotional.

[1071] It's too hard.

[1072] But I bet once you actually dig into the reality of it, it's like this full other experience.

[1073] It's joyous.

[1074] Amazing.

[1075] Yeah.

[1076] To like to have somebody that was a big photographer in your family.

[1077] So there's all kinds of stuff that's captured.

[1078] Remember when I had my Christmas tree and it was a white Christmas tree with the red balls?

[1079] And I told you it was for my Aunt Kay.

[1080] Anton Giovanni, who always made her Christmas tree.

[1081] like that, I found this little photo album in a box in my garage when I was going through stuff.

[1082] And it was my grandma's old photo album.

[1083] And it was basically a purse -sized photo album that held those perfect coat of chrome 60s pictures that were squares.

[1084] So it's like basically a square, a tiny square photo album.

[1085] And in that photo album, there's a picture of my aunt Kay holding my sister in front of her Christmas tree and it's the exact same fucking Christmas tree and I would have never like I was like oh that just reminded me of that but then there was actually the picture of like oh this is the reason I remember that tree it's from this picture yeah you've seen you have that laying around yeah I love that like there's pictures all around you right now that you could go through and have a whole journey you know if you if you dare go through the shoebox of pictures do it of life The shoebox of life.

[1086] Do it.

[1087] I love it.

[1088] Send us your fucking arrays on Instagram, on Twitter, and the email, on the fan cult, wherever you want.

[1089] We'll keep reading them because they're really making us happy.

[1090] And we hope they're making you happy too.

[1091] Thanks for listening, you guys.

[1092] They're great.

[1093] It's my fucking hooray is that we still get to do this show, even though it's super weird and it's far away, which I don't like.

[1094] And the timing is off, which is irritating, because our timing is the most fun part about us doing this podcast together, but I still love that we get to do it.

[1095] And I love that Steven set it up so that we can do it remotely because it's really nice that we get to.

[1096] Yeah, we're very lucky people.

[1097] I count my blessings every day.

[1098] Count those blessings, girl.

[1099] One, two, three.

[1100] Am I supposed to?

[1101] Yay.

[1102] Well, then stay sexy.

[1103] And don't get murdered.

[1104] Goodbye.

[1105] Elvis, do you want a cookie?