The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz XX
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[13] Why are you listening to this show?
[14] The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Lebitard podcast.
[15] I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that.
[16] In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging.
[17] I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there.
[18] That hasn't happened to you guys?
[19] I've done it.
[20] And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face, and the habitual liar.
[21] The Tua conversation, I want to under promise and over -deliver, but I will simply tell you, I haven't heard him that way before.
[22] Now, it's not that I have, and it'll be either today or tomorrow, that we end up getting that for you, but I was a little bit surprised for a couple of reasons.
[23] And there's only one other time that this particular thing has happened to me with a professional athlete of any kind.
[24] When Edron James came out of college at the University of Miami, he was physically, obviously, very much a man. But he didn't have very much personality coming out that he was willing to show people for, you know, wherever his distrust, lied.
[25] I was like, man, that's a, that's a super guarded person.
[26] And then three years of NFL stuff happened to him.
[27] And I met him and talked to him three years later.
[28] And I was like, whoa, you have like really grown up.
[29] Whatever the intensity of the last three years have been, have been like really formative for you in a way that's substantive that makes me go from thinking I was looking at a bit of a child coming out of college to, okay, three years of real world.
[30] I got money now and everyone's coming for me and I've got to compete against everyone to get better and I'm going to win the confidence that that's given you holy shit this is a different human being I'm talking to when Tua came out of college before he was drafted on Lincoln Road there I did like a corporate thing where I interviewed him for an hour in front of a bunch of people and Dominique afterward pulled me aside and was like you were pulling teeth there you had to work that was a crowbar that you had to use to get in there and try for an hour to get something out of two of what i saw and heard yesterday was a different human being from that like the amount of confidence that that person has after whatever the fire of three years has been i was like holy shit he's not making me do any i don't have to do anything here he wants to carry the conversation yes and he wants to say things i'm going to guess 167 million guaranteed helps you with a lot of that confidence and well not only that, but having a head coach who believes in you, I think that's the big difference for Tua, at least that's what I took away.
[31] Having a head coach that absolutely wants you to be his quarterback because he thinks you're the best quarterback for his system.
[32] It can be all of those things.
[33] I'm not saying that having the money doesn't make you happier and give you more confidence.
[34] Not happier.
[35] Confident.
[36] Like when you're a rookie, you're like, I don't want to say anything that's going to ruin him.
[37] I'm going to in my career by just saying, because Dan is the guy who asks questions that makes people say dumb things and all that.
[38] But it's like $167 million.
[39] and you give me Stugats and Chris asking me go, ask away.
[40] Yeah.
[41] I mean, maybe that's part of it.
[42] This was different.
[43] This was a different guy.
[44] I walked away.
[45] I told Dan and Chris, I want that guy to be my quarterback.
[46] I want him to leave me somewhere.
[47] You want anyone to be your quarterback.
[48] Well, I have Aaron, but I mean, we're doing that thing of, now we're overselling it.
[49] But I'm going to keep doing it.
[50] There were times in that interview where me, Dan, and Stugats are kind of looking each other.
[51] Like, he's just going and we're like, this is holy crap.
[52] This is a two I've never seen before.
[53] I mean, he took out Flores.
[54] Spoiler alert.
[55] Spoiler alert.
[56] I'm not giving it away.
[57] No, it's There is multiple answers there where I was just like, man, this is as interesting as I've ever heard him on this topic.
[58] We talk contracts tomorrow.
[59] We're going to air it tomorrow.
[60] Teaser.
[61] Yeah, you got to do a better job.
[62] You can hear the whole tour interview tomorrow on the Dan Levitard show at 9 a .m. Eastern on Max.
[63] Right?
[64] And on YouTube?
[65] You're asking a question?
[66] This is part of the problem You went from, but it's the reason I don't promote anything that way It's because I've always got a question Because I don't know when anything's going to run about here I don't know when anything's going to be ready Question one That's it right That's why I can't promote it differently than that I'll wait around for it to be at some point aired I will just I will just tell you that I was surprised by it You can dictate that man You want it to air today tell the people you want it to air today I mean let's go I also just imagine like watching NBC watching a game and then you see like LA law on at some point this week I don't know stay tuned check your local listings I was just told we can't do it today yes Stugats you say dictate that I'll be waiting to see if we got a gas bag of the week this week I've asked for it 12 times and it comes in occasionally because you got beetle juice back there running the board it's the shrinking head man salute call back I have a deep cut juju I was not going to lie.
[67] I was like, who did he just call Vietaltoose?
[68] The thing that I was watching yesterday that I wanted to ask you guys about, because I haven't done this a lot in my life where I re -binge watch something because I liked it so much the first time.
[69] I've done it only in my life with the Sopranos, and now I am doing it in the middle of Succession, and I think Succession is one of the best television shows of it.
[70] of all time.
[71] But I also think that HBO has three shows.
[72] I wouldn't put Game of Thrones in this category.
[73] I guess many of you would.
[74] But I think they have three shows that are best ever argument type shows, all of them about crime families and all of them about a time that we were in.
[75] The Wire, the Sopranos, and Succession.
[76] I believe Succession is indicative of a time When we talk about people being angry at rich people because rich people are assholes and not altruistic and the difference between the haves and the have -nots is probably the greatest problem that we have affecting all of our structural stuff that there's such a larger difference now between Elon Musk and the power that he can accrue and people who are frustrated and struggling day to day trying, you know, peeing in in gallons for Bezos.
[77] so that he could keep making more money.
[78] Not hard knocks, huh?
[79] Not hard knocks, no. And I wanted to ask the group of you, how often will you go and re -bing watch something?
[80] And the reason I put Game of Thrones in a different category is just because I think of that as like an 800 -hour movie.
[81] Or, like, however, I don't think of that as a television show, although I suppose it has to be considered a television show.
[82] But these three that I'm talking about represent sort of a generation, a time, and a love that we have for understanding crime families.
[83] I'm a big rewatcher.
[84] Like, I'll rewatch all my favorite comedies over and over and over again and just finish one and go back and have another in the holster for the almost the nostalgia of it.
[85] It's like a comfort thing.
[86] Comedy.
[87] But dramas are different.
[88] You're talking about movies, though, right?
[89] No, I'm talking about TV shows.
[90] So, like, for example, all of those shows Mike Schur has worked on, Brooklyn 9 -9, The Office, Parks and Rec, I'll rewatch those.
[91] Whether it's New Girl or Veep or any of those shows.
[92] I'm re -watching Veep right now.
[93] Just got to finally, Richard Splett has arrived and we are really picking up steam.
[94] What a great show.
[95] Highly recommend, especially in election cycle.
[96] There's also comfort shows that you just put on all the time.
[97] Like, Modern Family, I've probably watched three times just because we're always watching.
[98] It's Seinfeld, I feel like I've seen every episode.
[99] But in terms of like from start to finish, I don't do that a lot.
[100] It's more just like the fun light listens.
[101] I've been doing it with Eastbound and Down.
[102] And it's, I forgot how great that show was.
[103] And vice principals, oh, my God.
[104] Oh, that's next.
[105] That's next.
[106] Speaking of crime families on HBO, righteous gemstones.
[107] Oh, yeah.
[108] Hung.
[109] I rewatch shows whenever that show has a new season.
[110] Like, mayor of Kingstown.
[111] No, no, mayor of Easttown.
[112] I'm talking about the mayor of Kingstown.
[113] He's talking about the one with Jeremy Renner, right?
[114] He looks like Stugat's.
[115] I've rewatched from season one once season three come out, so I do that with every show.
[116] Oh, wow.
[117] To remember everything.
[118] There's a mayor of Kingstown and a mayor of East Town.
[119] Mayor of Kingstown is M -A -Y -O -R.
[120] Mayor of East Town is M -E -R -E -R -E.
[121] Yes.
[122] That one's depressing, right?
[123] That one, I have not gotten into that one.
[124] Kate Winslet?
[125] Yes.
[126] Yeah, it's pretty good, though.
[127] You got to watch it.
[128] But it is sad, right?
[129] It's gray.
[130] Chris, I just wanted, there was a stray hung that shot through the conversation there.
[131] You guys don't pinch that one?
[132] I go back.
[133] I never heard of it.
[134] You know what's hung?
[135] You don't remember hung on HBO?
[136] What about true blur was suck a stack -out?
[137] Sucker.
[138] My wife makes fun of me because if I'm watching anything for 10 minutes or 20 minutes, it's just to watch one of these dark side of comedy, dark side of the wrestling ring.
[139] You love dark sides, man. It is 90s.
[140] Give me just nostalgic 90s things for 12 minutes at a time.
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[154] Don Lebertard.
[155] I ain't never met nobody in the world that's the hate on Blue's Clues, bro.
[156] Like, who don't like Blues Clues, bro?
[157] If you don't like Blues Clues, you're a loser.
[158] Stugats.
[159] Look, you get one pop print, that's the first clue.
[160] You put it in a note.
[161] book, now what do you do?
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[163] Sit on the chair and think about it.
[164] This is the Dan Levitar show with the Stoogads.
[165] Dave Hyde of the Fort Lauderdale Sun Sentinel, still making it in the columnist game, had a take, and I want you guys to tell me whether it's a good, good take, a good bad take, a bad good take.
[166] or a bad, bad take.
[167] All right.
[168] He says, yeah, it's to his team, but I can, can I interest you in the backup, Ryan Tannahill?
[169] Hmm.
[170] He's back?
[171] Ryan Tannahill.
[172] He is, well, he's available.
[173] He's available in the league.
[174] We spent seven years here arguing whether he was a starting quarterback or not.
[175] I imagine Ryan Tannahill might look pretty good with these receivers.
[176] as a lot of people might look pretty good with this offense.
[177] Oh, Chris Cody, shaking his head, no. I vote no. It's just, like, PTSD.
[178] I don't want to like, yeah, those feelings have just, I've done that before.
[179] And it's just.
[180] But it's your backup.
[181] It's your backup.
[182] Mike White's fine.
[183] But Tua doesn't play games sometimes, and I never, ever, ever want to see Ryan Tannahill wear a Dolphins uniform ever again.
[184] Ryan Tannahill has led a team to an AFC championship game.
[185] Stugats, I don't care.
[186] Derek Henry led that team, by the way.
[187] Tanahill played great in those games.
[188] It's a good take.
[189] I would, well, look at how upset we are.
[190] We're literally, actually, like, I'm sweating just thinking about the idea of having to watch Ryan Tanahill quarterback my team again.
[191] I can't take it.
[192] I understand that you have some post -Tanahill stress disorder, PTSD, but I would say to you that if I offered the general audience, hey, who do you want as the backup quarterback next year, your 9 and 4.
[193] and you're going to have your quarterback missed three games.
[194] You want Mike White or you want Ryan Tannehill?
[195] A whole lot of people are going to go with the bigger name there.
[196] Tannahill.
[197] A whole lot of folks are going to want the established product that has been a starter for a long time in the league and now is relegated to backup.
[198] I have always thought Mike White to be an upper echelon backup, no?
[199] Agreed, but never a starter.
[200] Like not someone you think of as a starter, whereas Tannahill has spent a decade as a starter.
[201] Ryan Tannenhill has thrown for 35 ,000 yards.
[202] He has thrown 216 touchdown passes.
[203] He's been to the AFC championship.
[204] I take him as my backup.
[205] You can have them.
[206] You can have them.
[207] I would love to have him.
[208] I think he'll be better served right now in Minnesota.
[209] or what they got going on with J .J. McCarthy right now, that's a big loss for them.
[210] So I can see Tadahill stepping up for them.
[211] Stugats, we didn't get to this yesterday, and I regret not getting to it.
[212] What's going on with Hassan Reddick and the Jets?
[213] What are the details there that are interesting to you asking for a trade away from Aaron Rogers and Aaron Rogers saying, hey, don't go.
[214] It's going to be a fun ride this season.
[215] Like, what's happening there?
[216] So they did a – the Jets and Eagles traded because Reddick wants an extension.
[217] He wants a new deal.
[218] He deserves a new deal.
[219] He has four consecutive seasons of double -digit sacks, and a guy off the edge.
[220] He's the guy that hurt Brock Purdy two years ago in the NFC championship game and had like two and a half sacks in that game.
[221] And the Eagles went on to the Super Bowl that they eventually lost.
[222] But this is a guy who is 29 years old, who the Jets traded for.
[223] They traded a third round pick.
[224] They traded a third round pick, and it could become a conditional second round pick.
[225] but they did so.
[226] The Jets traded for him with the idea of, hey, we're going to sign him to a long -term deal.
[227] And Reddick said he's not showing up to camp until he gets that long -term deal.
[228] And the Jets are saying, no, we're not going to give you a long -term deal.
[229] Why'd you trade for him?
[230] Like, I am with Redick on this.
[231] Stay put, do not play, get your money.
[232] You have one chance to get paid.
[233] Over the last two years, I believe he had.
[234] He's tied for second in the league for most sacks of the NFL.
[235] That position is the second or third most.
[236] important position in the game right now, and he wants to get paid, and the Jets traded him to give him a long -term deal, and the Jets need that guy off the edge, and they haven't done it.
[237] And so if I'm Reddick, first off, it's the Jets being the Jets.
[238] Who does that?
[239] Who does that?
[240] Who trades for a guy who wants an extension?
[241] They get the guy, they make the trade, and don't give him an extension, and if I'm Reddick, I stay put.
[242] I don't show up to camp.
[243] It is an embarrassment what the Jets are doing to him.
[244] They traded for him with the idea of, hey, you're our guy.
[245] you're getting a long -term deal.
[246] Then he got there, and they said no. Right, and he's racking up so many fines.
[247] Like, his fines right now could feed a small village because, goodness gracious, I think, like, what you are 100 % right, don't trade for this brother, knowing his position, knowing his situation, he only coming over here because y 'all had a little under the table, like, you know, when I come over here, I'm going to want it.
[248] And now they're going to back out.
[249] I salute him for staying out because you can get hurt.
[250] Like, you see what's going on right now.
[251] You can mess up all your money in these training camp situation.
[252] So come in my brother, Hassan, give him this money.
[253] I find fairly interesting Stugats everywhere in the sport where you are noticing that basic human dynamics are going to make an appearance.
[254] Oh, Burrow got his money.
[255] Now, Jamar Chase wants his and isn't showing up.
[256] Oh, we're going to make DAC more secure.
[257] What's going on with C .D. Lamb?
[258] Like, we have seen the chiefs have taught us, right?
[259] you pay my homes Tyreek's going to leave doesn't matter how good the team is Super Bowl ready doesn't matter how fun football is like Tyreek Hill told us we can win eight or nine championships in Kansas City why can't we that's how lightheaded he was and then he's like get me out of here because I see what the financial constrictions are and the wide receivers are going to want their money for making the quarterbacks and I mean I know you can speak to the very real pollution, toxin that money is that can corrode any amount of human relationships?
[260] I imagine we now know, right?
[261] Jemond Green, Jordan Poole, that happened.
[262] That was money related.
[263] Well, no, it was because he called him an expensive backpack for Steph Curry.
[264] According to Pablo Tori finds out, which is an excellent show.
[265] Expensive, though, is the key word there.
[266] Like, it's money.
[267] Yeah, I mean, I think, like, they say in every NBA fight it comes down to one of two things either money owed or a woman that's like every NBA fight like in the locker room that always comes down one of those two things and I think the reality is this is the part I think fans don't get you only have a certain window of time as a professional athlete to make as much money as possible this is supposed to last me forever I don't get to retire at 65 as a pro athlete and it's not realistic to say, oh, but then I'll have, I'll be a coach after that, and I'll make a lot of money doing that, or I'll be a media guy after that, I'll make a lot of money after that.
[268] For most of these guys, this is it.
[269] And so, yeah, you treat it with the desperation of someone who said, this is my last shot.
[270] I want to correct myself, he's tied for fourth in the NFL over the last four years in Sachs.
[271] Daniel Hunter, just who has 49, I think he's tied with him.
[272] He just got a two -year $49 million deal.
[273] Reddick's going to make $13 .5 million this year.
[274] It's like, how can you tell me I'm not?
[275] Right.
[276] And he's going to be 30.
[277] He wants to get paid.
[278] He should get paid.
[279] The Jets traded for him so he can get paid.
[280] Right.
[281] And when it comes to Jamar Chase right now, he's on his rookie deal.
[282] He's outplayed that, of course.
[283] But he's in a position where I think that the owners could benefit from paying him now because his number is only going to go up like that.
[284] If Jerry would have paid that man a couple years ago, he could have saved himself so much money.
[285] But you're going to keep letting these folks hold out and they're going to get a bigger pay at the end of the road.
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[302] Don Lebertard.
[303] Pablo leads all of podcasting in reading while smiling.
[304] If you listen to ESPN Daily, he sounds like he's having the time of his life.
[305] Stugats.
[306] Coming up next, I'm going to tell you, the Savannah Bananas are changing face.
[307] How do you know I'm smiling?
[308] How do you know I'm smiling?
[309] That's how I find my vocal range.
[310] Sometimes I just say Savannah bananas.
[311] Savannah Bananas.
[312] This is the Dan Lebatar show with the Stugats.
[313] Pablo, were you shaking your head no?
[314] You were doing so while Stugats was talking about Hassan Reddick.
[315] Is it because of what he was saying, or is it because of what Chris Cody was whispering to you that you were objecting to?
[316] Yeah, fix your camera there.
[317] Pablo Tori finds out is the name of the podcast.
[318] What were you shaking your head know about?
[319] Me?
[320] I was just trying to get them to not catch the fact that I am standing in a closet and my shirts are like two inches to my right.
[321] Okay.
[322] This closet has a window?
[323] I've got a lot of questions for Pablo Toree today.
[324] Journalism is made, you know.
[325] Plants?
[326] It is strange.
[327] Yeah, it is a strange closet.
[328] That does not look.
[329] Hold on.
[330] Did Jess just accuse me of having fake plants?
[331] No, I asked earnestly, are they real?
[332] Are they Pothos?
[333] They look nice.
[334] They are very real Pothos.
[335] Thank you for acknowledging.
[336] Fake plants are the worst.
[337] They're the worst thing on the planet to me. Really?
[338] They are, yes, they are by definition.
[339] The worst thing, I mean.
[340] Yes, yes.
[341] Plants in reality are living things.
[342] They give you psychological benefits.
[343] They recycle and regenerate oxygen.
[344] Fake plants are just decorative lies.
[345] How do you feel about mannequins?
[346] Hmm.
[347] The devil's work.
[348] The devil's work.
[349] Second worst thing in the world.
[350] Because Pablo believes in human life.
[351] and if you fake any kind of life, you're going to outrage Pablo.
[352] Manichin or Manichin, too.
[353] Pablo, I wanted to include you on a couple of the conversations that we were having here.
[354] One of them.
[355] Charles Barkley comes on here yesterday, tells us that he could have gotten a minimum of $100 million more dollars from someone else but wanted to go back to what felt like family and a whole bunch of people called him a liar and said, bullshit.
[356] I asked everybody here why that was happening.
[357] Stugats' theory is people are angry and broke and they don't want to hear about how much money someone is making.
[358] Jessica had a different theory.
[359] Your theory is what here?
[360] My theory is that Charles Barkley has the ability to generate a market just by willing it into existence.
[361] And some of that does sound like a thing you should not trust the power of a guy to do that, but I think for him it's real.
[362] I think his talent is one of the scarcest resources in sports.
[363] And I also think that when it comes to Charles proving that there are markets for him.
[364] Remember, I mean, look, I love Charles.
[365] I know, Dan, he's a friend of yours for decades now.
[366] Remember when he had that thing where he was like, I think I'm going to the live tour now?
[367] I was like, oh, he can just sort of like reach across the world and grab money places.
[368] And so it just so happens that with this NBA rights deal, which we've covered super extensively on the sporting class, obviously, I think there's just a lot of buyers who want to give Charles Barkley $100 million.
[369] I don't think he's lying there.
[370] I think that's actually just the reality of his life.
[371] On Pablo Tori finds out, I've told you before, that he finds an assortment of stories and attacks them vigorously with journalism and his curiosities.
[372] I couldn't help but laugh at your most recent episode, even though I don't believe it was comedy.
[373] The Paralympics are corrupt.
[374] There are cheaters throughout the Paralymp.
[375] Not a laughing manner.
[376] It's hilarious.
[377] It was hilarious.
[378] I laughed so hard.
[379] You have.
[380] Tell us the extent of the cheating in the Paralympics because it's unbelievable to imagine people playing wheelchair basketball and then at the end just getting up out of their wheelchairs and then walking on.
[381] It is, it is darkly hilarious.
[382] It is darkly hilarious, admittedly.
[383] And infuriating to so many Paralympians because it is, a massive, massive problem that is currently being litigated in German court right now because of an American Paralympian hopeful who's like, I am a hand cyclist.
[384] And to Dan's description, he competes against people who, when the race is over, get up and walk around, who end up having to, he sees social media posts of people who are like, wait a minute, you're just living your life not doing the stuff that I have to do.
[385] This is David Burling, American Paralympian, who is an above -the -need double amputee, an Air Force vet who got in a plane crash.
[386] And he's like, I see you guys lying all of the time.
[387] And this is something that's beyond just one man. We talk to a classifier, the person who has to figure out which division you go into.
[388] But the way I got into this, because I am, I'm again, I'm numb to so many things at this point.
[389] We've done mortgage fraud investigations, fencing, manipulation in the Olympics, match fixing, statistical inflation with Tom Habristro, all this stuff.
[390] But when I heard that there was a story about a Spanish gold medal Paralympic basketball team where 10 of the 12 people had faked, had tanked an IQ test, had faked intellectual disabilities to get into the tournament, and they started blowing people out by 30.
[391] And then later were revealed to be totally fraudulent.
[392] And I was like, that's a Johnny Knoxville movie.
[393] That is actually a thing that screenplays have been written about, except it's just more ridiculous in reality.
[394] And this is just the tip of the.
[395] iceberg, as you might imagine.
[396] Well, tell us more, though, on what is most outrageous to the Paralympians, because you're right to, you're right to say that it's dark comedy and isn't going to be funny at all.
[397] Like, these are hugely inspiring stories of overcoming.
[398] You watch the Paralympics to God's, and honest to God, almost every story that's not a cheater, you feel like you're not as strong as these people who are able to overcome and still do things that you might not have the will to train yourself to do in a pitiful despondent state?
[399] The balls you must have to get up off your bicycle and walk away in front of a guy who can't stand up.
[400] I mean, the balls, man. I'm not laughing.
[401] I think I am here to give you the blessing of the ability to laugh at the sheer absurdity of this, while also being like, oh, this is massively f*** up.
[402] Both of these things are true in this story.
[403] It's why I wanted to do this story.
[404] And to the question that Dan had, the difficulty here is that the classifier, the job of a person at the Paralympics who has to fact check these medical disabilities, these impairments, these claims that I cannot do X or Y or Z. That job, I mean, what we talked to, what we investigated here, we talked to a classifier who's now retired, he used to be the chief classifier of two Paralympic games.
[405] She said that she has seen people not just like lie on an eye test, but like take Valium before one of these auditions, basically, where you got to prove I am actually what I claim to be.
[406] She has heard stories of people like rolling around in the snow to make it seem like they are even more impaired than they are.
[407] They have people, I mean, it's the anti -NFL combine is the comedy of this.
[408] You go in and you're trying to prove that I am even worse than you think so they can tank the result and get into a more.
[409] favorable class because the Paralympics is about how do we match people up when the entire premise of this is disadvantage.
[410] And of course, there are lots of, I'll say it, there are lots of Stugatsas in there who are like, you know what, I see an angle for me. Thank you.
[411] I see an angle for how I can win gold even more easily than I have any right to.
[412] Pablo, I guess my question is the difference between the NFL combine and this anti -combine is that in the combine, we're trying to see how.
[413] fast someone can go.
[414] So you're trying to achieve that.
[415] How do you test for the non -negative, right?
[416] Like, how do you check for something that's not there?
[417] Yeah.
[418] How do you prove a negative?
[419] They have a couple of things.
[420] They ask for a doctor's note.
[421] And as anybody who has, I don't know, gotten a medical marijuana prescription in California over the last 15 years knows, not all doctors are the most rigorous fact checkers when it comes to.
[422] I have back pain.
[423] So there's just that as the first non -layer of defense.
[424] And then there is actually this audition.
[425] It's an audition is what I call it.
[426] But you go and perform the sport in front of a volunteer.
[427] Because again, it's the Paralympics, guys.
[428] And so the classifiers here are not like highly paid experts.
[429] They are people who want to help this incredibly inspiring, impressive event function.
[430] And so you have these people who are watching someone tell them, I can't do this.
[431] Look at me play basketball.
[432] Look at me swim.
[433] Look at me hand cycle.
[434] And they watch them, it turns out, many times perform the theater of being even worse than they are.
[435] And so that is a, the classification process of the Paralympics to me is where all of the lawsuit strikes to the heart of that.
[436] It's gotten so bad where there are protests by other athletes.
[437] There is a hand cycle race that we report on where all but one person, the person that they alleged to be a cheater, they stopped racing, race and that person just kept on going to signal we are not on the same page as this.
[438] We need something to be done and no one will do anything.
[439] And so the guy we interviewed, the protagonist of the story, he said, I'm going to sue the International Paralympic Committee, the version of the IOC, the IPC, in court because he sees this as something that has ruined the integrity of this entire enterprise.
[440] I can't believe some of what it is that you're reporting because it does seem like something a comedy scriptwriter would write.
[441] Yeah, it's a bit crazy.
[442] The outrage that I would have if I'd lost both my legs in war and then been an athlete better than all other wheelchair athletes reminds me some of what is happening around the gender women's boxing conversation because one is a fake argument that is political.
[443] and is just awful to watch happen, and the other one's not going to get any attention as an actual outrage.
[444] You're going to bring attention to it, but it's not going to go anywhere, even though if I were to speak to anybody and say, do you think it's fair that somebody is playing without legs and somebody else is faking to get into a wheelchair and then walking around to win a gold medal?
[445] Like, that is worthy of legitimate outrage.
[446] Yes.
[447] And there's a key distinction.
[448] And by the way, all of this speaks to what do we do when we're trying to regulate who's allowed to compete in a lower class of sport when it comes to performance?
[449] That's the through line through the Algerian boxer story and the Paralympics.
[450] With the key distinction, because I've reported now on trans controversies and now the Paralympics controversy, which would be an even bigger controversy.
[451] The difference here is that the stuff that people think trans athletes have been doing, in America, the schemes of cheating and manipulation and lying and medical fraud, that's actually happening in the Paralympics.
[452] And it's not happening over there.
[453] And you know that because the Algerian boxer story.
[454] It's funny when like I see Logan Paul and there's this lawsuit now, of course, against Twitter and Elon and J .K. Rowling and all of them.
[455] But when Logan Paul, I believe, is saying this is this is the purest form of evil watching this algerian boxer punch a woman in the face and then not long after says well i may have been uh trafficking misinformation there i'm going to delete that tweet it's sort of like okay like they don't actually know what's happening here and that's not even a trans athlete controversy that is a controversy that speaks to its own form of medical complexity that says actually maybe the whole binary between men and women on the level of sex and therefore performance is actually a lot more complicated than anybody wants to admit.
[456] What it's not is the level of cheating and fraud as a scheme because no one has reported that.
[457] No one has provided evidence that there's anything like that happening there that's happening in the Paralympics.
[458] Absolutely, brother.
[459] Transition, though.
[460] Keeping up with controversies.
[461] My sister Ray Gunn is getting accused of a lot of things across the nation.
[462] And I haven't figured out.
[463] Pablo, I got you on the line.
[464] I found out, Ray Gunn is in the CIA.
[465] Ah, hmm.
[466] And guess what?
[467] Think of Steve Martin and Pink Panther.
[468] She was sent to the Olympics to retrieve the diamonds, the stolen diamonds.
[469] But guess what?
[470] The stolen diamonds?
[471] They're in this one room.
[472] And the only way to access that air -condition shoot is the breaking contestants.
[473] And so they told her, they say, hey, we got a case for you, Ray.
[474] you're going to have to go get the diamonds but bad news you're going to actually have to compete and she was like free all right I got it and so we're distracted by her dance moves but we didn't even realize Australia got the damn diamonds back in the home city what you think Pablo you know it reminds me of another another theory that I have that I've been waiting to sort of like test on you guys juju especially what if okay what if the number one overall pick in the NFL draft was given to a team that had to win a game to obtain it.
[475] What about that theory?
[476] I love that.
[477] It's a good idea.
[478] The two last place teams play each other for the number one pick?
[479] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[480] That's a pretty good idea.
[481] We're bigger ratings in the Super Bowl, I'm telling you.
[482] Pablo Tori finds out is the name of the podcast You should find it, wherever it is you get your podcast.
[483] Did I miss something, or did Tom Brady quietly debut as a broadcaster this weekend?
[484] And no one had any kind of reaction to it on a preseason game.
[485] No way.
[486] Really?
[487] I saw him on the sidelines.
[488] And I saw some people talking about him.
[489] That's why I'm asking the question, did I miss it or not?
[490] Because I thought that Tom Brady, some people were talking about how Sean McVeigh, how great Sean McVeigh was.
[491] They miced him up for a little while.
[492] just did a little bit of play -by -play and it was more informational than anything you've ever heard in play -by -play because they were talking to an active coach and Tom Brady needs to get some reps in before he starts.
[493] Fox is saying they're waiting for the regular season for Tom Brady to start.
[494] Okay, so it didn't happen.
[495] It was a post of when he was in the broadcast booth last year and they posted it now, which then confused everyone on Twitter into thinking they missed a preseason game in which he was the broadcaster.
[496] Okay.
[497] I also saw I'm walking on a field with Mike Silver chasing after him crazily because Mike...
[498] Yeah, it's that video.
[499] That could have been any time.
[500] Yeah, Mike Silver's a crazy friend.
[501] He spent his entire life chasing.
[502] That's exactly what Mike Silver has been doing.
[503] That is absolutely correct.
[504] Your experience with USA Basketball was what?
[505] Because I thought that that team, I thought that their team had put the standard so high that there wasn't going to be a way for them to.
[506] to meet where it is that we expected them to be.
[507] And they somehow did it by playing close games.
[508] No, I loved, I, I am embarrassed to admit how much I loved these games and how much I felt like one of those like sunglasses in driver's seat of their car, selfie camera, Patriot avatars, crawl out of my body.
[509] As I was thinking to myself, now we get to watch these MVs.
[510] players, these superstars play defense.
[511] Now we get to see them at their full potential.
[512] Because when you have a near -death experience like that, when your greatness is challenged like that, you get to see the best of these guys.
[513] And I believe that we saw the best of this version of LeBron and KD and Steph and all of these guys in a way that we just haven't really seen as often as the NBA would like us to think we've seen it.
[514] And so I was like, this is the version of the, this is the basketball that I want more of.
[515] and I understand that this also is by definition an indictment of the basketball that were otherwise watching, but I loved it that much.
[516] Pablo, can you find out why HBO Max was late to posting Hard Knocks last night?
[517] Dude.
[518] You get to watch it.
[519] Yeah, I mean, look, I was, first of all, it's called Max.
[520] Second of all, I was upset because I was ready.
[521] I was so ready to come in and argue with Smedy about Caleb Williams and stuff like that, because as we know, she's a big beer stand.
[522] We think.
[523] And nothing.
[524] And what does it say about us as a society, where we are so beholden to streaming platforms that when something isn't uploaded, we all lose our minds.
[525] Is this where we all make fun of our own video team or is that going to happen during the break?
[526] Tua, at some point in the next three months.
[527] See you later, Pablo.
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