385 - Ghosted! by Roz Hernandez

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] And welcome to my favorite murder.

[2] That's George Hardstar.

[3] And that's Karen Kilgariff.

[4] And we're very giggly and excited today because we have a very special episode for you.

[5] We are so excited to be announcing that we have a very spooky new podcast that's joining the Exactly Right family.

[6] Vulture actually called it one of the best comedy podcast of 2022.

[7] That's right.

[8] We are talking to none other than the host of Ghosted by Ros Hors.

[9] Hernandez, please welcome the one the only, Roz Hernandez.

[10] Oh, my God.

[11] This is...

[12] Hey, boo.

[13] Hey, boo!

[14] This is insane.

[15] You guys, thank you so much for just so many things.

[16] I'm sure I'll say thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, as long as I know you.

[17] But this is like, this is, I can't believe I'm on my favorite murder right now.

[18] This is, oh, my God.

[19] You're here.

[20] Well, okay.

[21] So, so happy.

[22] I don't want to be that girl, but, like, I was listening a long time ago.

[23] Like, Karen already knows I'm a do you need a ride.

[24] I'm a die -nard, die -hard.

[25] And I have been for years.

[26] And then when I started hearing chirps about this murder podcast, I got right in there.

[27] And I have been murder Reno for a very, very long time.

[28] And you guys are so inspiring to me. and I think the world of you both.

[29] Oh, right back at you.

[30] Thanks, Ross.

[31] Yeah, thanks, Ross.

[32] All right.

[33] Goodbye, guys.

[34] Bye.

[35] That was so much fun.

[36] Nice to meet you.

[37] So let's talk about ghosty stuff because that's like your wheelhouse.

[38] Like, that's what you love.

[39] That's what you're bringing over to the network.

[40] What a great, sorry to use the phrase, filling a hole on the network, but this, you know, this super natural parapsychological.

[41] it's the right term area that we have yet to visit and you have this great pre -existing podcast that now gets to be here with us.

[42] We're so excited.

[43] Yeah.

[44] Well, and I have always felt like true crime and the paranormal.

[45] They're definitely like cousins, the two of that.

[46] Like, they've definitely, they've met a few times at the family, you know, reunion.

[47] But, you know, there's definitely differences there.

[48] And I think the paranormal, there's a little bit more.

[49] And Georgia and I were just talking about this because she has the first guest on my new relaunch.

[50] And we were sort of talking about this, like, the paranormal, there's a little bit more freedom to explore, because really all of it is unsolved at the end of the day.

[51] So there's kind of that fun element of mystery to it.

[52] But, you know, it can be morbid.

[53] It can be very scary in a way that is, you know, if you look at horror movies, most horror movies are either in one way or another like supernatural or a killer or something.

[54] So it's sort of the other end of it.

[55] But it can also lead us to conversations about spirituality, science, so many different things that are all kind of encapsulated in the paranormal.

[56] And I just love it.

[57] Yeah.

[58] Can't get enough of that.

[59] Tell everyone how long you've been doing the podcast.

[60] How did you start it and like what was your, we just love talking about?

[61] it so much.

[62] And everyone has a story.

[63] Right.

[64] Well, it's funny because there are parallels between like me and you guys and you guys are a huge inspiration to me. And like I remember hearing that you guys met or you were talking at a party about this kind of stuff.

[65] And that's sort of me too with ghosts, you know, to answer your question, I've been doing this podcast my whole life, but just wasn't recorded.

[66] And I mean, I would just go up to people and grab them by the lapel and say, tell me a ghost story.

[67] story.

[68] So it's my favorite thing to talk about.

[69] I find it endlessly interesting.

[70] I just have always been curious, particularly living here in Los Angeles.

[71] We all kind of know just the most kooky, interesting people.

[72] We know a lot of creatives.

[73] I hate to sound kind of cheesy, but we are storytellers, you know.

[74] We are.

[75] And so some of the best stories you could hear are from creative people.

[76] And so I was constantly just asking people their ghost stories.

[77] And I grew up in a house that I believe was haunted by my grandmother.

[78] Tell us everything.

[79] Yes, please.

[80] Okay.

[81] Well, the house was built by my grandparents.

[82] And she sadly died while living in that house.

[83] And then we moved in.

[84] And I just, I had a couple of moments that, Like one in particular that always stands out was like this night.

[85] I was laying in bed and I just, I was really scared for some reason.

[86] And I woke up and she was hovering.

[87] I mean, the category was ghost and she was tens across the board.

[88] She knew.

[89] Every story I ever tell about childhood, I was 10.

[90] It's just in my mind.

[91] Like, I don't know, but I was probably like 10 or something.

[92] And she was like fully knew the assignment.

[93] Like, good for her.

[94] She was, like, serving ghost, like, floaty, see -through, looked at me, gave me a look that was like, you're going to be okay, and just sort of, like, just poof, goodbye.

[95] Discipated.

[96] Oh, my God.

[97] Did it scare you, or did it feel like a good experience because it was, like, someone who loved you?

[98] That's the thing.

[99] Whether you're living or dead, if you show up in my bedroom at night, I don't care if you're my grandma or not, if you should show up all of a sudden and the door is shut and I don't know how you got in there and then you disappear.

[100] It's going to be scary to me. I'm sorry, grandma, I love you so much, but it was scary to me. And so, of course, like, naturally, I'm, like, just terrified at all times.

[101] Like, where is she going to pop up next?

[102] But I think it was a good, like, growing up with that experience, I think it was a good starting point, especially when I hear people's stories, that I'm like, okay, I got lucky with the ghosts that I had because it was my loving grandma.

[103] I mean, she passed when I was six.

[104] And so there was always kind of a theory that I formed in my head.

[105] Like, maybe she just, she wanted more time with me because I have another cousin who's the same age as me. And years later, she had house sat for my parents.

[106] And she was like, remember how you used to say as a kid that grandma was around?

[107] Like, yeah, she's like, I heard her.

[108] her.

[109] Like, I literally heard her.

[110] She was, like, walking upstairs and she yelled, my grandpa's name from the top of the stairs.

[111] So, I'm like, maybe it has to do with the fact that we were both, like, the youngest or we were so young when she died.

[112] I don't know.

[113] My parents are like, we don't, we don't, we never seen her.

[114] But they always say, don't they, or have you heard this before where it's like, kids are more open -minded.

[115] Like, kids are kind of open to stuff like that or they're just more accepting, so they're able to see stuff that adults are tuned out.

[116] Yeah, yeah.

[117] And I usually hear that with like toddlers and whatever.

[118] I mean, it could be.

[119] I'm also very skeptical of all of this stuff, to be honest, including my own experiences.

[120] That's what I love about your podcast is it's like it's not the definitive ghost exists podcast.

[121] It's right, let's explore this idea because it doesn't make sense.

[122] I like to joke that I'm, constantly like, come on, how do you not believe this?

[123] Like, but I really, I just love it because we don't know the answers.

[124] That's the fun of it.

[125] So I don't like to listen to anyone that tells me like, that is a, that's a ghost and here's why that's a ghost and this is what happens when you die.

[126] Like, we don't know, calm down.

[127] So, so, yeah, when I look back at my own experiences, sometimes I'm like, well, I do have my whole life I've kind of always enjoyed being the most interesting person in the room.

[128] Did I just make this up so I could have a good story?

[129] You know, but who knows?

[130] Either way.

[131] Anything's possible.

[132] That's how I feel too.

[133] Yeah.

[134] When we talked and I told you my childhood ghost stories, I was the whole time being like, well, that little Georgia was like, I had an active imagination.

[135] Right.

[136] Or maybe there was a gas leak in the house, so I don't fucking buy it at all.

[137] But it happened to me. too.

[138] But you know what's beautiful about this stuff is at the end of the day who knows, who knows.

[139] But we are coming together and talking about this stuff and I think particularly having, you know, public figures, having you guys on, having all kinds of people on that have fan bases or just that, you know, I only have on people that I really love and enjoy.

[140] And a lot of times I don't know their thoughts on this stuff and it's a cool way to connect with them and hear them share this stuff, which at least leads to, you know, broader conversations, again, about, like, their spirituality or they're just, just their views on life.

[141] And sometimes they've never even pondered it.

[142] It's a lot of pondering.

[143] We like to just sort of, you know, just explore our minds and think about it.

[144] It's also interesting when people are like, that's absolutely not real.

[145] I think it's like those kinds of people that need to be black and white about it.

[146] And it's, it's always like, wait, are you scared?

[147] Like, what is it about this topic that's making you need to be...

[148] It's the same people who are like, astrology's not real.

[149] And it's like, oh, okay, I guess it's only existed for 2 ,000 years.

[150] That kind of thing where it's like, are you the kind of brain that needs that to not be real the way I am with aliens?

[151] Or are you open -minded person that's kind of like anything is possible in this mysterious world we live in?

[152] Right.

[153] But that's when you start getting into, you know, a lot of what I do on the show is like looking at historical accounts and talking to even listeners and people from all over the world.

[154] And you hear like, okay, this stuff happens literally everywhere.

[155] As long as, you know, people have been recording things, I don't know.

[156] It seems like there might be something to it.

[157] Even if it's something in our minds, what is it?

[158] We don't know.

[159] But it sure is fun.

[160] We get a lot of those people right into the minisodes and like you mentioned before when it's toddlers.

[161] So it's like toddlers pointing to a picture and being like, that's the lady from my room.

[162] Where it's like you can't, unless the person is straight up deciding to write an email with a full on lie in it, they're telling you a thing that there's only one way that could be happening, right?

[163] Like that idea and that's a uniform kind of story that goes around where it's like, my daughter was talking to herself in her crib and then pointed out my grandmother in a picture, whatever.

[164] I love those ones.

[165] Right.

[166] Or like if you have someone that witnesses it with you, like, any time you get those little bits of validation, or sometimes I hear about these like haunted hotels, for example, or it's just like public places that people frequent, and they'll go to the front desk and they'll be like, oh my God, the craziest thing just happened.

[167] And they'll be like, the man with the pipe.

[168] And they're like, yeah, like, how'd you know?

[169] And it's like, people have been reborn in him for years.

[170] Oh, my God.

[171] The Man with the Pipe.

[172] Whenever we go to, like, we go to these old theaters when we're on tour and we're, like, immediately asked the security guards or whoever, like, this place is haunted, right?

[173] Because it's just this feeling of these old buildings.

[174] And you grew up in Michigan, right?

[175] So, like, you were around some older buildings.

[176] In L .A., we don't really have those.

[177] But, like, you can feel the lives that have been lived there.

[178] Oh, totally.

[179] And theaters, I mean, theaters are all haunted always.

[180] And they're my favorite place in the world.

[181] I love theaters.

[182] and there's a lot of theories around why they're haunted.

[183] And that's the kind of thing I like, too, with my approaches.

[184] I like to entertain any possible theory that people have, but a lot of it has to do with energy of humans coming together and that energy could fuel it and maybe keep it around.

[185] People that work in theaters are so connected to them.

[186] I mean, there's certain venues that I perform at that I'm like, I think this is where I would go when it's over.

[187] Like, I just love it here.

[188] This is like my second home.

[189] And you have your most exciting moments, your sad moments, your whatever.

[190] You know, there's just such a strong connection that we have to these places.

[191] And also they're old and people die in them.

[192] So there's a lot of reasons why they could be haunted.

[193] And then if you're there, if you've decided to spend eternity in a theater, at least you're seeing a new show every night, every couple of nights.

[194] You get entertained.

[195] Yeah, and you see these prices these days, this inflation.

[196] I tell you, these theater tickets.

[197] You got to haunt it.

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[219] Goodbye.

[220] Where would you haunt?

[221] If you could pick a place to haunt, where would it be?

[222] I think it would be a theater, probably.

[223] Which one is there one that you live?

[224] I always talk about my favorite place in Los Angeles.

[225] Listen, I don't get out much.

[226] But I've lived here since 2009, and I really do love it here in Los Angeles.

[227] And my favorite place in Los Angeles is Casita del Campo, Hell yeah.

[228] Mexican restaurant that's in Silver Lake, sort of east of Hollywood, and very queer -friendly, family -owned establishment that's been around since the 60s.

[229] And I just love it so much.

[230] And there was a theater in the basement that I did a ton of shows in, and the food is great.

[231] And I think I talked about it last time.

[232] on diner with you.

[233] I love that place so much.

[234] And I think that's probably where I would go.

[235] That's perfect.

[236] That place is like ripe for haunting because it's got the like Mexican restaurant, you know, booth L .A. vibe that is just so special.

[237] And they have great crab enchiladas.

[238] So like you could just eat that if you ever, if ghosts know how to eat.

[239] There's just a good vibe there.

[240] I really like it.

[241] And I mean, Mexican food and fun, campy drag shows.

[242] Like where else?

[243] What I want to haunt.

[244] Are you kidding me?

[245] Well, speaking of that, Raz, people, long -time listeners of ghosted by Razz Hernandez, know that the original title of this show was ghosted by Raz Dresfeles.

[246] Let's talk about the change.

[247] Okay.

[248] So I was a full -time drag queen, five to seven nights a week.

[249] Honey, I was out there.

[250] I was doing the gigs, honey.

[251] Oh, wow.

[252] My feet hurt just hearing that.

[253] The shoes you must have to wear.

[254] Oh, yeah.

[255] Oh, my.

[256] my God.

[257] I mean, I was pretty lazy, but it started out, yes.

[258] It did start out with some uncomfortable shoes.

[259] But my drag name was Roz, Dresfelaz.

[260] One of the greats, I have to say, anyone I mentioned that drag name too, is like, that's the best drag name.

[261] Yeah, totally.

[262] It's so funny.

[263] I just love the name Ross.

[264] And, you know, I'm trans, but, you know, growing up male, you know, assigned, I always just really looked up to, like, no -nonsense kind of ladies.

[265] And I always thought of, like, a Raws.

[266] Like, that's kind of that name is a Raws.

[267] And it's just, like, three letters with a Z at the end.

[268] That's so true.

[269] She's the office manager who, like, takes no shit and, like, doesn't want to fucking hear it.

[270] Or, like, a bartender lady that, you know.

[271] Yeah.

[272] I just love that.

[273] And I feel like I identify with that.

[274] If that can be considered a gender, like, that's what my gender really is.

[275] It's like no nonsense bar lady.

[276] I actually, at Casita Del Campo, the theater there, was backstage working with the family of wonderful performance that I worked with down there.

[277] And a couple of years ago, you know, I was really not quite transitioning yet, and I had recently gotten sober, and I was just trying to figure out what to do with my life.

[278] And somebody had mentioned the name Ross back there.

[279] And I was like, yes, like, that's me. And then I just blurted out, Roz Dresfeles.

[280] And that sort of became my name.

[281] And I started doing drag.

[282] So anyway, the podcast started when I was basically, you know, just living my life as a drag queen all the time.

[283] And so it did go by Roz Dresfeles.

[284] And then, like, pandemic times, I was like, I don't know.

[285] like, I love wearing, you know, ladies' clothes being seen with she -her pronouns, and and I really came to terms with, like, okay, I think I'm trans, and maybe I should not have a comedy name anymore, so I just kept the Ross and used my real name, last name of Hernandez.

[286] So that's basically it, and then I changed the name to Ghosted by Ross Hernandez.

[287] does.

[288] I mean, same person.

[289] I pretty much the exact same person as I was in drag.

[290] You are except, can I just say this?

[291] Because the first time I saw you after you transitioned, we were at the Lady to Lady Party.

[292] Oh, yeah.

[293] You were standing with Sam Pancake.

[294] I walked in, and of course, you know, the entry of any party is like the most stressful where I'm literally like in a panic searching for a place to land.

[295] And I've known Sam Pancake since I moved to L .A. 100 years ago.

[296] And so I saw him and just ran straight over to his side, didn't really even look around, and started talking to him, and you were standing next to him, but I honestly assumed I was like, that must be his agent or his PR lady, was just this tall, gorgeous lady that was standing next to Sam, and I'm like, she must be in the industry or something.

[297] And then, like, we, Sam and I exchanged a couple things, then I turned to you, and I was like, hi, and you go, Karen, it's wrong.

[298] And I go, oh, my God.

[299] And it was just like, it was really exciting because you were amazing and a gorgeous drag queen.

[300] But you're a gorgeous woman.

[301] I mean, you're just a gorgeous woman.

[302] It made me feel really excited for you, you know?

[303] Oh, thank you.

[304] There as yourself.

[305] Yeah.

[306] I mean, I loved wearing gigantic wigs.

[307] It was really, really fun.

[308] Yeah.

[309] I've since, you know, given them away.

[310] I gave one to Bridger when I did his podcast as a gift.

[311] Wow.

[312] That's a good gift.

[313] You know, my neck feels a lot better now.

[314] I don't have to carry those around.

[315] And it's crazy how people treat you, like, different in a good way.

[316] I mean, usually, like, I would walk into a room pretty much saying, everyone stare at me. Look at me. My hair is gigantic.

[317] And, like, I'm huge.

[318] And, like, now I get to sort of just, like, blend in a little bit more, which I like.

[319] Yeah.

[320] It's nice.

[321] Everything's been really, really cool since then.

[322] And I think that, like, it's sort of where I'm at in life is just a lot more like getting real.

[323] And I think even when I started my podcast has been a journey for me as well because I didn't know as much about the paranormal at the time.

[324] And I was more willing to believe anything that someone told me. And now I don't get me wrong.

[325] I don't doubt people because, again, I don't know the actual answers.

[326] But I think I'm just, I've got.

[327] I'm in a place in my life, and I think with my transition was a part of it of just like, okay, let's like, let's really get down to like the truth, the facts.

[328] Give me the cold hard facts.

[329] I don't know what I'm saying here.

[330] But like, like having a little skepticism going on.

[331] Yeah, I just think my whole life has kind of transitioned in a way that is still really fun and having more fun with the reality of the circumstances that I'm in.

[332] As opposed to like in the past, I think I was more like, I need to.

[333] make this whole world of fantasy.

[334] And now I'm just like, I don't know.

[335] Now you're real, like, Raws, Hernandez.

[336] You're taking that Raws approach that you were talking about before.

[337] The Raws.

[338] I'm razz and everything.

[339] You're razzing it up.

[340] Do you guys remember when Tommy Hiltiger's daughter had a reality show, like in the early 2000s?

[341] Oh, yeah.

[342] She was crying on the phone to someone sick because she became an adult.

[343] And she goes, my childhood was just so whimsical.

[344] And now it's like reality.

[345] And I just remember being like a whimsical childhood.

[346] Like can you just...

[347] Must have been nice.

[348] Yeah.

[349] So like your whimsical side or you want to make all of life whimsical and a fantasy is like so much fun.

[350] But it's not, you know, it's not sustainable probably for mental health.

[351] Right.

[352] I think it was definitely good for me to live my life as a drag queen the way that I did.

[353] It was a good stepping stone.

[354] Like, I think I needed that rather than going from, like, zero to a hundred.

[355] Like, it was a really fun way to have, like, an exploratory phase of my life for a number of years before getting to where I am now.

[356] Yeah, now we're here.

[357] And you're such a hilarious comic and performer.

[358] So I do think that that, in my opinion, drag is, it's my favorite.

[359] It's the funniest to me. It's the riskiest.

[360] It's really like a high -wire act.

[361] And so when you're doing drag, or for what I've seen, when people do drag, it's like you have to bring the goods.

[362] You're doing crowd work.

[363] Sometimes you're doing crowdwork involuntarily.

[364] You have to have hard jokes.

[365] You have to have a great personality.

[366] Like, there's a lot going on.

[367] And I think what an amazing start where you kind of cut your teeth on, like, the highest level of that kind of comedy performing.

[368] And now you're just doing stand -up as yourself and you just get to enjoy.

[369] stand up on like in a more authentic maybe level but also just a little less I don't know I think you don't have to be as brave you just kind of get to be yourself and a little more casual it definitely I think has given me tools in all forms of my life from being a drag queen and like also I keep saying this but like so much I was a drag queen so much like all the time I was a damn drag queen And, you know, when I used to be in clubs, I've always been a talker.

[370] Can you surprise?

[371] Join the club.

[372] I've always liked to talk more than, like, lip sync or doing any of that stuff.

[373] And, like, I would go to these clubs and get on the microphone.

[374] And it's like, there's the hottest guys you've ever seen that are making eyes at each other.

[375] People are friends that just got off work.

[376] They're all together.

[377] They're drinking.

[378] There's Britney Spears playing.

[379] And, like, why would they pay attention to me?

[380] And so I think that's probably why I'm so loud and aggressive.

[381] Because I had to learn to be like, here's why I matter.

[382] That's right.

[383] Surprise.

[384] That's a good way to get trained.

[385] Yeah.

[386] Can we talk about your shirt because you have an amazing alien blacklight type t -shirt on right now that I'm obsessed with?

[387] Oh, my God.

[388] Thank you.

[389] How about aliens?

[390] Like, I know we talked about that on the podcast, and it's, and Karen hates it.

[391] I do.

[392] Well, I don't hate you guys talking about it.

[393] I just, I just hate the potential reality of it.

[394] I'm very fascinated by it, but it gets tricky because it's a little bit conspiracy theory -e, and that can also, you know, when we talk about murder and the paranormal being cousins, that's cute.

[395] But some of the cousins to conspiracy theories in this day and age, that's that family, yeah.

[396] So.

[397] Cut them off.

[398] So I like to touch on it because I do think it's a part of this conversation.

[399] Obviously ghosts are my favorite, but there's, you know, also cryptid creatures, for example, like Bigfoot and Lachnus and that sort of thing, where I think it's all could be connected.

[400] Who knows?

[401] Like, stuff that we can never seem to catch in a tangible way.

[402] Like, maybe it's a ghost.

[403] Maybe it's a time travel thing.

[404] Maybe it's, I don't know.

[405] I'm definitely fascinated by UFOs.

[406] I do think that they're real.

[407] I think that they come in peace, in my opinion.

[408] They're way smarter than us.

[409] They're above us.

[410] They could do whatever they wanted to us, and they don't.

[411] Yeah.

[412] A lot of people report communicating with them.

[413] And the stories seem to revolve around them being like, hey, get your shit together.

[414] We're up here looking at you guys.

[415] And like, it is rough down there on earth.

[416] Like, you guys need to recycle.

[417] You need to, like, you got some problems.

[418] Let's start with the recycling.

[419] We'll go from there.

[420] So I think that they come in peace.

[421] I don't know where they're from.

[422] I don't know what's in the damn ocean.

[423] Like, I don't know if that's where they're from.

[424] Like, I don't know.

[425] I love the idea that there's already, quote, you know, an alien or a time, someone has already time traveled and they're living among us.

[426] Yeah.

[427] I guess, like, I guess I think that men in black is a documentary.

[428] And I love the idea that that's how cats for sure are fucking aliens and positive.

[429] Oh, you started talking about octopuses, the octopi, whatever it is.

[430] they're, that's something.

[431] Yeah.

[432] They're smart.

[433] Too smart.

[434] But what about I was just listening to a podcast and people wrote in their creepy stories, but somebody wrote in about working in the sewer and thinking that they saw an alien life form in the sewer.

[435] And then as he began to describe it, I grabbed the phone and just started skipping it.

[436] I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like, the idea that aliens are already here and kind of like sitting around us.

[437] Oh, that I just can't.

[438] It really makes me...

[439] It feels like, well, that will then begin the end of the world is what it feels like.

[440] Well, I've done that to you guys before, like...

[441] Because to me, like, ghosts and alien stuff, hearing about it definitely spooks me out sometimes, but it really does when I'm...

[442] Anytime I've ever, like, stayed at a haunted place or, like, someone's house has a ghost.

[443] like I'm no but the murder stuff really scares me yeah yeah because it's real it's very real would you rather stay in like a known haunted house or like a known murder house or like a place where there's a murder on the loose that's no equivalent to me really I'm talking about like there has been a murder in this house but then wouldn't that be a haunted house possibly me yeah that makes sense hand in hand and all that yeah I guess the ghost I don't sleep yeah there's been a few times where I've like gone ghost hunting with people where I'm like, okay, let's go to this haunted hotel.

[444] It's going to be so fun.

[445] And I think that the understanding is we're going to stay up all night.

[446] We're going to set up some equipment or whatever.

[447] We're going to have a good time.

[448] We're going to listen to some music, whatever.

[449] No, I forget that people go to bed and they're not terrified.

[450] And then it always ends up with them sleeping and me just like shivering.

[451] Yeah.

[452] going grandma is that you?

[453] I kind of want to stay at a haunted house just to like test myself.

[454] That seems like a feat.

[455] You know what I mean?

[456] I absolutely think you should because I want any excuse to have you back on the podcast.

[457] I want an experience, a real one as an adult, I say, as my house like is like, all right, bitch, this is happening.

[458] Careful what you wish for.

[459] So, well, speaking of.

[460] murder houses and things like that.

[461] Do you have a hometown murder that you want to tell us about, since this is still my favorite murder?

[462] I do.

[463] Now, it's not technically hometown hometown?

[464] I mean, I've lived here since 2009, so like this, as far as I'm concerned, like, this is where I live and pretty much I'm from.

[465] It happened here, and it happened a number of years ago.

[466] Okay, here's the story, and I want to make it clear that this is.

[467] is just my little teeny involvement in this story.

[468] Of course, this is, it was an actual tragedy happened.

[469] It's sort of that thing where like, I don't know if there's like a water explosion in the street or something.

[470] Everyone has their side of the story.

[471] Like they're about to write a book about it.

[472] And it's like, I really was very minimally involved in this.

[473] But it did mess up me a little bit.

[474] Like, it definitely has stuck with me what happened, which, um, have I set it up enough?

[475] I was at the previously mentioned Sam Pancake, my, Sam Pancake, you're not familiar.

[476] He's my best friend in the whole wide world.

[477] And he's a brilliant comedic actor and truly the funniest person ever.

[478] And love, love, love him.

[479] And we, this was a number of years ago, maybe six, seven.

[480] years, something like that ago.

[481] I'm at his home.

[482] And I should probably set up the lay of the land here.

[483] So he lived in a guest house of television's busy Phillips.

[484] And she lived in the main house at the top of like a hill.

[485] And Sam was actually in the front.

[486] The guest house was in the front of the main house.

[487] And then there was a staircase that led past the front guest house up to the main house.

[488] And then there was a gate from the staircase to the street so that people, you know, wouldn't just enter the property.

[489] It was a, going to say summer night, we were watching Rupal's drag race.

[490] Sam and I, we were real invested at the time and we're probably eating some popcorn, maybe drinking a La Croy Pamplemoose, and having a great time, just nice, nice innocent time and his window is open the window to where the staircase leading up to the stairs or leading up to the main house is and I look out the window and I see a young man staring into the window and I make eye contact with him and I took a beat and I was staring at him like because I was at this house every day and it was just really out of the ordinary that there would be someone there.

[491] He just seemed lost, you know, the way he was looking in.

[492] And I was freaked out.

[493] And I kind of froze.

[494] And I said to Sam, like, Sam, there's a guy, like, right there.

[495] Like, look out the window.

[496] So then Sam looks, too.

[497] And he's like, hey, what are you doing?

[498] Or whatever.

[499] He was kind of, he was talking about, like, how he was lost or he needed a job.

[500] or something.

[501] And I remember he had a pizza menu in his hand, and he had a bag with him.

[502] And we were kind of just like, sorry, like, we can't help you.

[503] It was really, you know, I always want to help people, but it was kind of inappropriate or whatever.

[504] Like, it was like, it was kind of scary, to be honest, like, violating almost, like, to come on and look in your home.

[505] That's, that's a, yeah.

[506] To look in a window.

[507] No. Yeah.

[508] And not even just from the street, like on the property.

[509] So we were kind of just like, you've got to go, you got to, like, please, whatever.

[510] And he took his time and then left and made his way down the street.

[511] And we kind of peeked out and kept our eye on him.

[512] And that's pretty much my whole involvement of the story.

[513] But I've come back the next day.

[514] Again, I was at this house all the time.

[515] I come back the next day and Sam comes out and he goes, oh, my God, one of the neighbors got murdered.

[516] And my first thought was, wait, do you think he?

[517] it was that guy?

[518] And then, you know, message boards or like local neighborhood things started kind of saying, like, we did see this guy and whatever, and somebody saw a guy of that exact same description leaving the scene of the house.

[519] It was really scary.

[520] But at this point, we didn't know.

[521] It was just, it was just weird.

[522] That was a weird thing that happened that night, and then we also know that somebody got murdered.

[523] And then Sam has a little bit more to the story.

[524] I think because he lived there, he had a little bit more involvement with the homicide detectives and talking to them.

[525] But weirdly, because again, I was at this house every day, they came over to talk to Sam when I was there and told our side of the story.

[526] And I want to say that was maybe a couple days later or something.

[527] And then a year later, I was at the house again, and they came back again.

[528] They just knock on the door and came in, be like, we got more questions.

[529] And I happened to be there again.

[530] And I'll never forget, I asked the detective, you know, if they ever found out a motive.

[531] And he said, as far as we know, he was just looking to kill someone.

[532] You know, that was sort of what he told me. So it was definitely the guy that was creeping around?

[533] Yeah, it was definitely him.

[534] And I guess the person that he murdered was just house sitting and was staying in the house and the guy had broken in.

[535] And when I think he came, if I'm not mistaken, he broke into the house and then the guy came home.

[536] and he bludgeoned him.

[537] Yeah, so it was just really scary.

[538] And after that, not going to lie, I did take a break from my favorite murder, just because it kind of like made things a little personal for me. Like, I noticed, like, not that long after that I got really weird around windows being open.

[539] And anytime windows are open, open, I get really.

[540] really uncomfortable, but I have like no tolerance for being in a place at night time when there's no curtains drawn and there's like people can see in.

[541] That scares me so much.

[542] And it's like something that has stayed with me. And I think that there's just something about staring at that guy right in the eyes a couple hours before that happened.

[543] And it's crossed my mind before like, what if Sam was alone or, you know, it just, I don't know.

[544] It really it really messed me up but again this story's not about me though like I really want that to be clear it's just something that I happen to be there for we want your you know take on the whole thing and I totally understand that that would be so like so frightening well also it's it's your real experience so it's very considerate of you because you're like this isn't about me and this certainly wasn't the worst for you but it still is bad for you because you know it's like whatever Sam did to make that guy leave and not, it's just, that's almost like, by chance that that guy chose to do what Sam asked him to do.

[545] I mean, that's a very scary near -mus.

[546] And it's also kind of that thing of like, this is living in the city.

[547] This is, you know, this is kind of like what, what city living can sometimes bring, which is like, gates don't keep people out.

[548] And, and there is just random, um, random murder that is.

[549] inexplicable and for no reason and just horrifying.

[550] I mean, that's, oh, so scary.

[551] Yeah, and then I had to, and then I housed that for busy that summer, and, like, she had cats that I was taken care of, and every little click -clack of the cats that I heard I was grabbing kitchen knives.

[552] Like, I was...

[553] Oh, my God.

[554] Yeah.

[555] Yeah.

[556] I'm very scared of this kind of thing.

[557] I mean, I don't want to ever feel like, you're never safe, but, like...

[558] I get, what you mean?

[559] When I walk by people's houses at night and they have their curtains open, I am like, what are you trying to accomplish right now?

[560] Like, hey, like, privacy is like the least of your problems.

[561] I can see right into your house.

[562] Right.

[563] Also, you're not that hot.

[564] Like, stop.

[565] Like, we don't need to see you right now eating your dinner.

[566] Right.

[567] And you're kind of boring.

[568] You're watching Gray's Anatomy again.

[569] Like, we don't need to.

[570] We don't care.

[571] Yeah, that scares the shit.

[572] I am very much a closed window person too, which is so.

[573] boring and I hate it but yeah you can't get past like you can't be into true crime and then also not kind of be paranoid a little bit right or at least careful careful you know it's be careful right and it's like I think sometimes when you consume a lot of true crime you do kind of learn what people are capable of and you know it it in some ways can prepare you you know I think definitely I think so yeah I think I am I think I could classify myself as paranoid.

[574] It's definitely a fine line between, like, being careful and paranoid.

[575] Like, I just try to, I wear rings all the time because I'm like, if someone tries it, I'm going to sock them.

[576] Yeah.

[577] I mean, it sucks because, like, like you said, you're not wrong.

[578] These people, there are people that exist out there that could do these things.

[579] So are you paranoid or are you just overly aware of what actually happens in real life, you know?

[580] You were forced to be aware because you had a very specific experience that taught you to be aware.

[581] Like, it's not like you and Sam made that up or assumed or something that was actually a thing that happened.

[582] And then it was confirmed that it was the same guy.

[583] That's so scary.

[584] Yeah.

[585] And from what I heard, there was a lot of people in the neighborhood that had the same story, literally.

[586] Like, he was on the property.

[587] We tell him to go away.

[588] like, yeah.

[589] Wow.

[590] But it happened that night.

[591] So it's just, oh, so crazy.

[592] Yeah.

[593] Very scary.

[594] And then, like, meeting the homicide detectives and stuff, it was, that was its own experience of.

[595] Yeah.

[596] I grew up real into Colombo.

[597] Yes.

[598] Yeah.

[599] And so, of course, I'm like, I was, I swear I was, like, I'm already, like, thinking that I'm a suspect.

[600] When I lived in Burbank.

[601] there was a shooting, and I had Burbank PD detectives come to my house.

[602] And the thing I was noticed where I'm like, oh, I thought this was just on TV.

[603] They wear really nice suits.

[604] Oh, yeah.

[605] They're dressed to the nines, and they're there with their notebook.

[606] Like, we need to ask you a couple questions if you saw anything.

[607] And I totally did that thing where I saw nothing.

[608] I heard the noise.

[609] It was blocks away from my house.

[610] But I did go out in my backyard and just kind of look around.

[611] And so I just wanted to say something to them.

[612] So I was like, I heard it and I looked, but there wasn't anything.

[613] And they're like, thanks.

[614] Okay, thanks.

[615] Walk away where I'm like, I just want to, you know, I don't know, I want to help and be a part of it.

[616] Oh, I'm sure that's what they deal with all day.

[617] And like, these guys, they really, like, I could just tell, there was two of them, and I could tell that they were the kind of guys that were like, you know, people make TV shows based on people like us.

[618] Like, they were so, like, they just, I don't know.

[619] I can't even imagine the things that those guys see.

[620] For real.

[621] For sure.

[622] Horrifying.

[623] Well, before we go, I think we need, I think Karen, Rosi and I talked about this, and I couldn't answer the question of, does the Loch Ness monster exist?

[624] Because I feel like if Karen found out, I said, no, there would be a real problem.

[625] You've already said no to my face.

[626] I know you don't think it exists.

[627] I don't.

[628] But I think things exist in the water that we don't know about and don't make sense.

[629] Just not my personal theory of that all the lakes are connected by underground tunnels.

[630] I got my hands on a book when I was like 17 that was like, I can't remember it was, you know, Mysterious California or something like that and there was like all this stuff.

[631] I'm sure it was like one dude writing it up straight out of his own head.

[632] But there were all these kind of cryptid theories in that.

[633] So you mentioned the cryptids in your kind of list of the stuff that you talk about.

[634] Do you think Bigfoot is real?

[635] I think anything is possible.

[636] I don't know.

[637] I always say my biggest, like, you know, say I'm a superhero or a TV character, like my crutch or whatever is that I hate the outdoors.

[638] But if I didn't, I can find anyone.

[639] You kidding me. You give me a couple of context clues in a good one.

[640] Wi -Fi password.

[641] I will find everything.

[642] I'm sorry, but we need to get you that TV show stat.

[643] You hating the wilderness, but going in defined Bigfoot.

[644] And I've thought about how can we do this?

[645] Because I'm like, I don't like bugs.

[646] I'm afraid of snakes.

[647] Like, I don't know what it would I would have to be like piggyback ride on somebody with like a whole net around my body.

[648] What if you're a drone operator?

[649] Okay.

[650] You could do it from like a home base.

[651] I like that.

[652] I like idea.

[653] Right?

[654] But I think I would find Bigfoot.

[655] I, Bigfoot's a tough one.

[656] Do you think that photo is real?

[657] Like the famous video, the Patterson Gimlin video.

[658] I don't know.

[659] It's like, that is like its own full story.

[660] There's so much to it.

[661] But I think it's definitely possible.

[662] The way that I rationalize the possibility like for me, my leading theory is that it would have to be some kind of creature that is not like a bear or like a human.

[663] It's, it would have to be a creature with some kind of magic powers that can make it disappear.

[664] And people have reported like seeing tracks that end you know.

[665] Whoever it is, they don't want to be seen.

[666] They don't want to be talked about.

[667] It'd probably be a lot more boring.

[668] like you're saying, it's like kind of like a bear that can walk like this.

[669] And it's like, oh, that's it.

[670] I think like the mystery around it and Loch Ness too is like way more interesting than what we would find.

[671] If we find out, then it's, yeah, it's just a type of animal.

[672] Like, that's not fun.

[673] I like calling it big foot.

[674] And like it's this weird, mysterious thing.

[675] And particularly that original Bigfoot, it's theorized that it was a woman big foot.

[676] and she's curvy.

[677] Her hair is, like, actually really silky if you, like, look at her.

[678] Like, she's sickening.

[679] I love her.

[680] What?

[681] I didn't know that big foot.

[682] I love a lady with big feet.

[683] That is...

[684] I feel seen.

[685] Representation matter.

[686] It really does.

[687] Roz, you're so delightful.

[688] It's very exciting that we get to have someone who is our friend and such a hilarious.

[689] comic and talent come and do a podcast with our network.

[690] We're just so thrilled to have you.

[691] Thank you so much for joining us.

[692] Oh, my God.

[693] This is, it's just a dream.

[694] I mean, I've been so, my experience so far, recording with this network that you guys have created, like, you guys, you got the best people.

[695] Everybody is so cool.

[696] They know what they're doing.

[697] Like, it's just, it's just been wonderful.

[698] They all make me feel like a million bucks they get it they like they have put so much time into this and you know this is something that i my show it's a silly little show but i've been really i'm really passionate about i really love having these conversations with people and um it i really do feel seen by you two and the network and it just it feels really it feels really good and i'm so excited for all the new people that are going to be listening to all these weird silly conversations that I've been having for the past four years.

[699] I love it.

[700] We're big fans, and we're so glad you're here.

[701] We can't wait.

[702] I can't wait for the Christmas party this year because you're going to make it even more fun.

[703] It's ridiculous.

[704] I can't wait.

[705] But yeah, let me just give a little blurb to the people.

[706] Like, you tune in to the show.

[707] You're going to get famous people, funny people.

[708] You listening to this, you could come on.

[709] I just want to talk about ghosts, poltergeist, psychics, cryptids, UFOs, all that kind of mysterious stuff that we don't have the answers to.

[710] And we keep it fun, we keep it funny.

[711] For the most part, it stays pretty light.

[712] And I have just truly my favorite people on, and we laugh and we laugh.

[713] Karen was on.

[714] Karen has the most epic ghost story of all time.

[715] Unfortunately, when I recorded with her, it was like the beginning of the pandemic.

[716] but you'll get over the bad sound after a couple of minutes, but you have to hear if you've never heard Karen Kilgarra's ghost story because it is truly what movies are made of.

[717] Yeah.

[718] It was crazy and it really opened the door for me to entertain every other possibility in the world, which is like, well, if that happened, then really anything can happen, which is as scary as it is fun.

[719] Yeah.

[720] Yeah.

[721] And I think that hearing people's stories makes you also be like, wait, maybe this is real.

[722] Or like, I don't know, sometimes, especially when you hear from like public figures, it's like, some of these people are kind of like reluctant to share this because they know that people will be like, you're lying, you're crazy, you've lost your mind, whatever.

[723] And it is vulnerable to share your experiences like this with people.

[724] And I don't think that these people are lying.

[725] Right.

[726] So, you know, if I ever sniff that out, it's not making it to the air.

[727] So whatever is posted, it's people that I at least feel.

[728] And you know, I'm Ross.

[729] I'm a no -nonsense barkeeper.

[730] Right.

[731] That's right.

[732] Gatekeeper.

[733] Yes.

[734] Your gatekeeping true ghost story.

[735] Exactly.

[736] Nice.

[737] Well, guys, new episodes of Ghosted by Roz Hernandez are out on Mondays here on the exactly right network.

[738] and Georgia's the first guest.

[739] So give it a listen.

[740] Karen's Ghost Story is from an episode in 2020, so check that out on Roz's back catalog.

[741] And while you're there, check out all the amazing episode she's already done.

[742] And please remember to like, review, and subscribe, which is like your payment for a free podcast is to like, review, and subscribe.

[743] Okay.

[744] And Roz, thank you so much for being here with us today.

[745] And welcome to the exactly right family.

[746] We're so happy to have you.

[747] Thank you.

[748] Stay sexy.

[749] And don't get murdered.

[750] Goodbye.

[751] Elvis, do you want a cookie?

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