#832 - Vinny Shoreman

[0] We're live.

[1] That always sounds so fake.

[2] It's always hard to get these things started.

[3] It's always hard to just start talking.

[4] Not hard, but...

[5] Well, I'm learning from you.

[6] The way you define things in your own mind.

[7] It's all about the language.

[8] Yeah.

[9] It's all about the language you use.

[10] Yeah, the way you define things can oftentimes shape exactly how those things manifest themselves in real life, right?

[11] Yeah, you say more about yourself than what you actually know.

[12] that's where mind coaching comes in.

[13] You say more about yourself?

[14] Yeah, well, you give away a lot.

[15] Sometimes it doesn't make sense.

[16] They're talking about something, and they're saying that they're really positive about something, and then you think, well, that doesn't match up.

[17] So it's a bit like a barking pig.

[18] Pigs don't bark.

[19] So you just, that doesn't make sense.

[20] That's how I define it anyway.

[21] A barking pig.

[22] A barking pig.

[23] That one I had to throw through the filter.

[24] I'm like, huh?

[25] Fuck is you talking about?

[26] Yeah, magic mushroom days, I'm afraid.

[27] Yeah, it's a, it's a very interesting thing we just did.

[28] We just did something called Timeline Therapy.

[29] Yep.

[30] That you were telling me about, that Joe Schilling told me about.

[31] Ian McCall got really interested in it.

[32] And what you, what you, what, you, what, if, for folks have never heard of Vinnie before, Vinny's been on the podcast before, Vinny's a mental coach and a hypnotist.

[33] And before our first session, the last time you came on the podcast, I was like, I don't know about all this hypnotist stuff.

[34] maybe just a bunch of fucking crazy people and people talk to them and I mean you for sure have seen those televangelists that put their hands on people and they go into spasms and they fall down the floor and they claim to be curative illnesses yeah that's that's um hysteria isn't it what is that he's bollocks it's bollocks it's bullocks it's bulls it's bullshit isn't it but is it or is it something going on with some of those people or they think it is it is a hypnotic state doesn't mean that it's it's a positive one but It is a hypnotic state.

[35] They get the, anyone that does, I've been on a couple of podcasts now, went on two with Ian McCall, the dash radio.

[36] And I went on his storytime with Uncle Creepie and the first thing out of their interviewer's set.

[37] Obviously, because you did hypnosis, oh, we're going to, you know, I can't be hypnotized.

[38] Well, fine, that's all right, you know what I mean.

[39] People love to say that, don't they, though?

[40] I don't care.

[41] I can't be hypnotized, bro.

[42] Can't get me, bro.

[43] Well, I don't care.

[44] Fine.

[45] Can I mean?

[46] I think we just, well, we may have discussed this the last time, but we may not have.

[47] I think stand -up comedy is.

[48] hypnosis.

[49] Of it is?

[50] You know what everything is?

[51] How do you know you're not a hypnotic state listening to you?

[52] How do you think hypnotic state not listening to music, TV, having a bath, shower, rituals, whatever?

[53] So do you think that the term hypnotic is problematic because people think that it takes away control from you and it puts you into this netherworld or something like that?

[54] It can do, but all hypnosis is self -hypnosis, so you do it yourself.

[55] I only guide it.

[56] I'm only a postman of information, as my first teacher said, Keith Mayer, who works for Liverpool Football Club.

[57] Great guy.

[58] He said that we're only posting information, so we just guide the way and show the person which way to go, you know.

[59] I don't do it for that.

[60] I said last time, I don't do it for all that.

[61] Look at him eating an onion, you don't like that.

[62] I mean, it's fine if you want to go to a show and you want to get involved in that, and, hey, great.

[63] You want to have sex with the chair or whatever.

[64] That's okay.

[65] For me, yeah, I don't do it for that.

[66] What do you do it for?

[67] I do it because I like people succeeding.

[68] I know it sounds cliche and very high.

[69] hippie but I love it I like people doing well I like I like it's six and some sort of weird noble side of me really I think some people conquer fear when people conquer something I think there's nothing bad than that well I think one of the things that we talked about when we were doing the timeline I was talking about some of my experiences when I was younger that have kind of like clung to me unfortunately or fortunately and and you know you were you were talking about your own and I think that when you've had some bad experiences in your life and when you've had some things in your mind that stand out as very memorable moments and points in your life those things can kind of they they don't just define you but that also can set you up for the future like how you think about other people or how you think about other things yeah shapes your life completely yeah and having these bad moments and realizing what they were and how they defined you now gives you motivation to help other people get over their bad moments.

[70] Yeah, it's just with timeline therapy, which is devised by Tad James and a very, very successful guy, a tad James company.

[71] My teacher worked for them directly, Colin McKay.

[72] So I'm a direct ascendant, really, of that.

[73] The technique is amazing.

[74] I mean, I love it.

[75] And I said to you earlier, I believe everyone in the world to do it.

[76] That's not a sales pitch, by the way.

[77] That's just my opinion.

[78] I just think it's fabulous.

[79] You know, people have things going on.

[80] Let's say you've got an iPhone 6 or an iPhone or whatever.

[81] If you don't, you know, the apps keep playing over and over again.

[82] If they're still going on, they're going to take some sort of toll on you when you shut them down and think, well, actually it shuts it down.

[83] You save your battery, your memory, and it shapes your life.

[84] You know what?

[85] I've been saying that for a while.

[86] It turns out it doesn't.

[87] Somebody just, some dude just tweeted me. Yeah, it's not like a computer where a computer is constantly has these things running in the background and it's using up resources and battery power.

[88] apparently with phones it does not do that well like a defragmentation you're on all computers and you defrag it right that then instead so that's my app thing on now on it I was enjoying that I did too I used to use that as an example but some some dude who actually knows what he's talking about corrected me we just ignore him then no we have we cannot we must plow for it except our defeat that's it no yeah that's it no it's ruined yeah um but I think that you know your um your own personal experiences is one of the reasons why you've become a coach, not just a mind coach, but a martial arts coach, and that these experiences of negative moments in your life where you've overcome them and you realize that I can help someone else who is in that sort of same situation.

[89] Yeah, of course.

[90] It's just, like, it's just, it's nice to just say it's not that important.

[91] You know, people believe that these sometimes, I mean, God, there is problems that are massive, you know, I'm not going to lie in some things I can't solve, you know, I'm not, I'm not Moses.

[92] Right.

[93] But there is things that, you know, if you can help somebody out and it can get rid of it or change the way they think, i .e. Joe Shilling when he did Simon Therapy's relationship with his dad was miles better before he passed away.

[94] Isn't that pretty powerful?

[95] Yeah, Joe talked about it on the podcast.

[96] He talked about it just completely changed his whole perception of his relationship with his dad, who his dad was in his life and just he let it all go.

[97] Yeah, and it just helped him tremendously.

[98] Yeah.

[99] What more can you say than that?

[100] really as a coach.

[101] I mean, Ian McCall had said, you know, I know that he didn't get his fight with Justin Skoggings and that because of the weight, whatever.

[102] And Ian was saying that his life has changed since doing time mind therapy and doing, you know, work with me, not just time mind therapy and not just hypnosis with my coaching in general, because it's multifaceted, really.

[103] And he said his life's changed.

[104] He's a different person.

[105] People have noticed, you know, so that's for me. It's great news.

[106] I think sometimes it just takes the realization of what's been fucking with you.

[107] that once you realize what it is then you have it in your mind and then you can kind of look at it for what it really is instead of this thing that's playing in the background that you can't quite identify or you know it exists but you ignore it and you just you don't ever get over it yeah he's interesting I had a client the other week called Joyce she's 80 years of age and she was going to a wedding in Spain for her grandson and she was beside herself she was terrified you know And we did just a few things, you know, little things to make you consider different ways of looking at the anxiety she was getting because anxiety is basically a message through your unconscious mind is to focus on what you want.

[108] Because if you're in an anxious state, you're focusing on what you don't want.

[109] Right.

[110] It's different levels of it, of course.

[111] She was focusing on what may go wrong.

[112] Instead of saying, oh, we're going to a wedding, it's a celebration of two people's matrimony, whatever, and it's going to be nice and da -da -da -da.

[113] She wasn't focused on that.

[114] She was focused on something else.

[115] I changed that.

[116] And like, she was happy, and she went to that.

[117] the wedding and it's, you know, it's good.

[118] I mean, she's 80 years of age.

[119] She may not be going to loads of weddings, let's be honest.

[120] Right.

[121] But for me, the job itself, what can you say about that?

[122] It's, it transforms people, you know, and I adore it.

[123] No, I know you do.

[124] I really, you really, it comes out of you when you do it.

[125] You really do love it.

[126] It seems to me that human beings don't really live long enough to figure out what this is.

[127] You know, I think that is one of the major problems that a lot of us have.

[128] We have a certain amount of momentum that comes from our childhood, whether it's good or bad, and we follow that momentum into our adulthood, sometimes trying to hit the break, sometimes trying to correct the course, and oftentimes using things like alcohol or drugs or gambling or anything to distract us from the pain of whatever the instability, whatever it is that's fucking with us.

[129] and then you get to be a certain age you realize like I'm barely figuring this thing out and I'm almost dead yeah well you know it's the worst thing is what you know sat in old people's on with your own piss I know I wish you'd done that yeah you definitely don't want that but you also you you I think well there's a there's a big thing that people always talk about like living in the moment it's a very it's a very difficult thing to do for some strange reason yeah of course it is yeah because you You know, you're worrying about tomorrow, aren't you?

[130] Or you're worried about later on.

[131] Or you're worried about yesterday?

[132] Or you worried about last year.

[133] Indeed.

[134] And that's where, I'm not going to pretend to walk in a cloud, you know, and try and come in with all these long statements and write these things, you know.

[135] Because I think it's, no one does.

[136] Well, that's a problem.

[137] The Dalai Lama doesn't.

[138] But that's a problem with religion, right?

[139] With religion, one of the bigger issues is that the people that are sort of proselytizing or the people that are.

[140] promoting it they're in some ways many of them especially priests and things along those lines which is why it's so disappointing when you hear about child sex abuse amongst priests they're pretending to be something holy and special and above you which is why they can bestow this knowledge upon you why they can they're talking directly from god we're all peasants in this weird exchange yeah they're not conduits are they right they're not you know and i think i think you get delusions of grandeur i think a lot of A lot of people do, you know, and I've met you and I'm a fan of yours and I really enjoy the, I think, like I said before, you never had Wim Hof, who I love, you know, Russell Brand, brilliant, you know, and Dr. Ronda Patrick and Joe and Ian and, you know, the companion and all the fighters' companion and that.

[141] I love that.

[142] Do you know what I like it the way that you're normal?

[143] And I don't think, I don't think, who gives us the right to try and walk on water?

[144] Yeah, I'm well known.

[145] I've been spotted a few times because of your show, even in Thailand and that.

[146] But I still wouldn't be.

[147] any different, what the fuck's for?

[148] Well, you especially, because you're so aware of these traps that the mind sets.

[149] Yeah.

[150] It is a weird dance that we do in this life.

[151] We're trying to sort of manage the mind and figure out what it is that's holding you back or helping you or, you know, just sort of guide yourself through this existence.

[152] Yeah.

[153] Nine times out of ten, your unconscious mind's trying to help you.

[154] But people decipher it wrongly.

[155] I think it's the language that your mind speaks or getting to.

[156] to understand it, to move away from chaos.

[157] Like I said, we're going to do a technique.

[158] If that's all right.

[159] You just warn everybody not to be driving when doing this or operating any machinery.

[160] We're going to do a technique, folks.

[161] Let's do a technique.

[162] Everybody relax.

[163] So it's, you know, and I want to share that because, you know, chaos, it's not easy.

[164] Life isn't easy.

[165] You get all sorts.

[166] It's easy in bursts.

[167] In burst, exactly.

[168] You know, you can be going along, and all of a sudden you get side -swip -swiped by something.

[169] You know what I mean?

[170] can, you know, not you for six, but, you know, it's about trying to calm the chaos down and, you know, and just get your mind to settle and give yourself even a few moments of peace.

[171] Even a few moments of peace in the day would be, you know, it would be beneficial to everybody, I think, you know, that's what I think anyway, you know, my opinion.

[172] No, I agree.

[173] Follow what it's worth.

[174] I agree.

[175] I think we could all use some peace and reflection.

[176] That's a big thing.

[177] Yeah.

[178] And I think, like, many of us are, in a lot of ways, are a prisoner of doubt and fear.

[179] Those are two big factors in a lot of people's lives.

[180] And a lot of people's response to doubt and fear is to not do anything, to not take any chances, to try to live safe, to try to live like a very controlled and simple existence.

[181] but then you miss out and experiences nothing to look back on is there you also miss out on the the there's like just living life without fear doesn't mean there's not going to be moments where you're scared and taking chances because those moments when you do take chances or you do something new and it could be as simple as like being a 50 year old man starting jujitsu or a 50 year old woman you know starting a martial arts class or something like I can't believe I'm doing this but those moments moments where you put yourself into vulnerable positions can be very beneficial for you.

[182] So it's not a matter of avoiding everything that causes you fear.

[183] It's a matter of embracing the uncertainty of life and trying to experience it with as much positivity and as much openness and as much with as least resistance as possible.

[184] Yeah, everything was new ones.

[185] Yeah.

[186] So everyone's done something, learned something the first time, the first time.

[187] if that makes sense you know and for me so what people don't understand is there a massive massive amount of successes you've had in your life that you thought was impossible tying your lace riding a bike for me driving that was awful driving why I don't know I was just one of those things that got it into my head that I was rubbish at it my dad didn't have a car my mom didn't have a car I love rubbish I love that expression in the British old boy I was rubbish at it and so they had to basically do it because I live far away from my kids and now I can drive and and it was something I had to really push myself to do but I think we're all a collection of successes.

[188] Try tying your lace writing the day right you know or what reading you know telling the time you know these loads of things but we're too busy kicking the shit out of ourselves about what we've done wrong you know for me when I watched Holly home fight last time when she thought she looked shell -shocks and that's my opinion she looks shell -shock do you think she was perhaps shell -shock by the loss to michia tait and then jumping right back into the octagon or do you think that she was fighting a very very difficult opponent both because valentina is a valentio chavchenko the woman who she fought is one of the most experienced strikers in all of m -ma period well her sister was on a infusion season six with us in thailand um yeah so she's from Peru.

[189] I think she lives in Peru, but now she's Russian.

[190] I understand that, but she still looks shell -shocked.

[191] Do you know what I mean?

[192] And I think that's it's part of the process.

[193] I mean, I think a lot of gyms, because it's macho, because it's fighting and yeah, you'd be all right, and pat on the back, you'd be all right, you did great today.

[194] If you have that, I deem it like this, it's like you're doing a white wash and you put all your whites in, and then it's like, you know, put your white, so I've done my conditioning, oh, right, I've got my diet, right, I'm on point for for my weight, blah, blah, blah.

[195] My coach says my BJJ is great or whatever, or boxing or whatever, you sport may be.

[196] Or even if it's not sport, you know, your boss or whatever.

[197] And then all of a sudden you put one red sock in, you wash. Everything goes pink.

[198] So that little thought that can infect you.

[199] So you say, oh, you might sit there.

[200] And the lonely places, I think fight someone and lost her in the changing rooms.

[201] I think that's my opinion of fighters.

[202] They lose in the changing rooms.

[203] They have one sort of negative thought.

[204] The mind whispers something.

[205] It becomes a shout, and then all of a sudden you drag it with you.

[206] Well, fights can be lost, but no matter how positive you're thinking is, if you're fighting Anderson -Silvin in his prime, you're probably fucked.

[207] Yeah, there is that.

[208] That's why I said it's not a guarantee.

[209] Using a mind -cote isn't a guarantee you're going to win.

[210] For me, it's more help.

[211] A strong condition is not going to make you win.

[212] But it's a massive help.

[213] Yeah, of course it is.

[214] I mean, I know the benefit of it.

[215] You know the benefit of it because he did a little bit of lipnosis.

[216] He's chosen in the benefit of it in his life as well as in his fighting.

[217] You know, Liam Harrison, he's a good friend of mine, Jordan Watson, and the other people that have worked with and other people that are working in the future.

[218] It does give you a band of nerves and self -doubt is a massive hole in your boat.

[219] If you're going to do something where you have to have confidence.

[220] For everything in life.

[221] Yes, indeed.

[222] It's not, that's one of the things that I like about fighting is that it's so condensed.

[223] It's a very extreme situation.

[224] It's sort of like problem -solving.

[225] condensed to like one of the most intense versions of it that we possibly can experience other than war yeah war probably being the most intense version of problem solving yeah but it's you're presenting with all these incredibly difficult challenges and you have to figure your way through it yeah and with a poor mindset or a faulty mind that you're you're you're it's like having a flat tire or having bad breaks it's like you're traveling in a very precarious way it's You have a lot of holes in whatever method of distribution that your thoughts and your actions are passing through.

[226] You know, your system, your system of life, like who you are.

[227] The way you think about things, where you think about yourself, the way you think about other people, like that shapes all the results.

[228] All the interactions that you have with people are shaped.

[229] It's one of the things that I've always said about, like, a lot of these interactions that police officers have with people.

[230] like how many of these interactions would be completely different with a more calm police officer or a person who's better in handling people and how many of them are shaped by someone who's just not that smart or too authoritarian or doesn't know how to read people well or doesn't know how to broach a conversation well and then it goes bad or dealing with something in their own mind yes so so they're dealing with something in their own mind like we talked about limitless didn't we the movie where bradley cooper first takes the pill and he's talking to the Chinese lady on the top of the stairs I think she's his landlady as she or something she's going bananas she's going bananas at him you know talking rubbish and she's giving him lots of grief and blah blah but behind it all is something that was upsetting her now that's what you come across a lot in timeline or in anything really they're actually taught they're not really taught people are not their behaviours as a cliched NLP chat but if people are not...

[231] NLP, neurolinguistic programming, yeah.

[232] What is that about?

[233] That's Anthony Robbins, right?

[234] Yeah, Anthony Robbins and John Grinder and Richard Bandler were the first people to do it.

[235] They modeled a hypotherapist called Milton Erickson, and they used Milton Erickson language.

[236] Milton Erickson was a very, very good hypotherapist and very, very clever man indeed.

[237] So, yeah, and some of that, I use some of that.

[238] Some of I don't, you know.

[239] As you get anything, you understand this, you know, you do your podcast and as you get more and more into it, you get a feel of it.

[240] And that's what you do with my job, with the mind coaches, you get a feeling about, I don't always use hypnosis.

[241] I do use hypnosis, but not always, because it's not always necessary.

[242] It's getting people thinking, reframing something.

[243] And so we've thought of it like that and move that out the way.

[244] And that changes people's, that changes people's, and can we have massive effects on them.

[245] So the more people you interact with, the more people you apply these techniques to, the better your understanding.

[246] how these techniques work.

[247] Yeah, or the better understanding of people.

[248] Yeah.

[249] I think you've got to be able to talk to people as well doing this job.

[250] Yeah.

[251] I think you've got to be at a show.

[252] No, I'm not saying massively no loads of stuff, but I don't know little bits about things, you know, and I don't pretend to know about a lot of things.

[253] But it's just about just being able to communicate with people and actually get them, you know, actually get them.

[254] People pretty much want the same things, you know what I mean?

[255] everyone wants to live life as exciting or as easy as possible you know you know you've like as like I said before it's just about language it's just about deciphering the language what they're actually talking and not even really as easy as possible because a lot of people want a life full of adventure but what they don't want to do is trip over themselves yeah like if you have a difficulty and say if you're going to climb a mountain right I would think that climbing a mountain is difficult enough.

[256] Yeah.

[257] It's hard.

[258] You have to figure out what way to grip.

[259] You have to have strong hands and strong feet.

[260] You have to have an overall awareness of your body and balance and you have to be physically fit enough to be able to pull yourself and climb up to this mountain.

[261] If you're paralyzed with fear, if you are consumed with self -doubt, if you are overrun with guilt if your body is just dealing with the minds all the haunts of your past that's that that's compounds whatever difficulty and it makes it way worse yeah well that's what that's that's where you know people come to me after fights and you know they talk about the last fight they're still involved in it yes you know they don't take the positive from it and i take the positives and you blah blah blah just you know but i mean it's hard to say well it's hard to do it's hard to do A lot of things are easy to say in order to do.

[262] You know what I mean?

[263] Let's go to the moon.

[264] Right.

[265] Busy.

[266] You know what I mean?

[267] And so it's just for me, it's like just getting the person just to sometimes forget something.

[268] You know what I mean?

[269] And just move on and right, okay, that's what did you learn?

[270] I'll learn this, this and this.

[271] Well, that's the point.

[272] That's what we, you know, when we was doing timeline therapy.

[273] You know, there was things you learned from that situation that has got you here.

[274] got you the UFC commentator successful stand -up and all that it's got you where you've got because of them things that molded you you know some people do get consumed by fear which is where I that's what I like to change you know I like to change that yeah there's there's a big problem that a lot of people have where they define themselves by their past yeah they look at their past they don't think they could ever grow from that they think that is who I am yeah I'm that loser I'm that guy who crashed this car on that guy that you know whatever it was that yeah my mom and dad never did it so therefore you know like money is the root of all evil or if you have money you're this or you know you have to tread on people to be a success bullshit it's just cliche it's say and just pop up from nowhere yeah that's a real weird one that comes up a lot that almost like it's impossible to be successful and altruistic that you that money is acquired only by stepping on other people and fucking over people and anybody that's really big in business.

[275] Like I read that once from someone who's actually a very smart person that said, show me someone who's really good in business and I guarantee you they fuck someone over.

[276] And I'm like, that is a ridiculous.

[277] That's a, that's a scapegoat.

[278] That's the scapegoat for your own financial failure.

[279] Yeah, of course it is.

[280] I think the more money you get, the more money you have, the more people you can help.

[281] There's that.

[282] For sure.

[283] There's more opportunity for sure.

[284] Yeah, and I just, that's what I believe.

[285] And I don't believe in, and I think it's cliched.

[286] I think about money is just to keep people down.

[287] I think that's that existed you know what I mean there's language to keep people down to keep people just there right to keep them in the place well it's also self like self prescribed too a lot of people do it to themselves you no one's doing it to you you just want to you want to give yourself a little excuse for not going after whatever your goals are or not pursuing whatever interest you actually have and just playing it safe that playing it's safe I think a big part of that is what we were talking about earlier Is this this need to avoid any further pain?

[288] Yeah.

[289] You know, one thing you want to touch upon is like, you're not allowed to like yourself.

[290] I mean, you know, you're not allowed to be not a fan of yourself.

[291] I mean, it's all right.

[292] You've got to have fun and laugh at yourself and not take yourself massively too serious.

[293] But on the things that you want to be serious, you should be supporting yourself.

[294] Less than 100 % support is sabotage, which is a saying, which I believe it's true.

[295] You know, if you're not supporting yourself, you sabotage.

[296] not only you, but you're sabotaging everybody else around you.

[297] And I think people struggle with that being all right to themselves.

[298] You know, it's so easy to, you know, I'm shit and stupid, I'm going, blah, I'm fat, this, this and this.

[299] And it's so easily swallowed that, you know, people become used to it.

[300] Right.

[301] And I think, and then they want to be a success.

[302] It doesn't make sense.

[303] Now, I recently, you know, people that want to fight and then they go, I lost me fight and blah, blah, blah.

[304] And then you find out what they did them to the run -up.

[305] Oh, what did you do?

[306] Oh, I got drunk for two weeks before.

[307] Well, hello, what a fucking surprise.

[308] You know, if you're not living it, and if you're not, you know, getting, you know, really immersing yourself in every way, in the language that you speak to yourself and in the way that you do everything else, what do you expect?

[309] Your mind's not going to support you if you don't support it.

[310] Yeah, that was one of the things that I felt when John Jones tested positive for cocaine three weeks out of his fight with Daniel Carmilla.

[311] I was like, ooh, like he's not, even, Look, I don't think there's anything wrong with doing, I don't know if there's anything wrong with doing cocaine.

[312] I just, I don't think it's a positive drug, but some people enjoy it.

[313] Some people enjoy drinking.

[314] I enjoy drinking.

[315] I don't think that's a positive drug necessarily either.

[316] So I don't know, because I don't have experience with cocaine, but that's not something you're supposed to be doing three weeks outside of a world title fight with one of the best wrestlers in the sport.

[317] One of the most difficult challenges you've ever faced your professional career and you're out doing blow just 21 days before.

[318] That's crazy.

[319] the most talented take the gifts that they've been given and just abused them in a way.

[320] I met John Jones he's different to say the least.

[321] In what way?

[322] He's just he was I didn't know he was kind of I only met him briefly where was it I met him in Russia at the legend there's a show there and yeah he was just he was very sort of he was all over the place bouncing around and I just didn't expect him to be like that.

[323] And what do you mean by all over the place bouncing around?

[324] He just said to me, hi, blue eyes.

[325] I was like, hello.

[326] He's massive and dangerous and I'm not.

[327] I was like, hi.

[328] I just found it a bit strange.

[329] Did he jokes around with you?

[330] I just found him different.

[331] Let's just say that.

[332] I just found him different.

[333] But I'm trying to read into this.

[334] I'm trying to figure out what you're saying.

[335] And I'm trying to avoid it.

[336] Badly.

[337] No, I don't know him.

[338] What I met, it was different, let's put it that way, you know.

[339] But if someone, I don't know, you don't know what's going on in his life.

[340] And, you know, you don't know what's gone in his life.

[341] And you could say that about everyone.

[342] They could say that about a serial killer, couldn't you?

[343] Oh, we don't know what's going in his life.

[344] It's not his fault.

[345] You know, really.

[346] I mean, there is some things that you shouldn't do.

[347] You know he shouldn't be doing it.

[348] But there's a reason.

[349] If you listen to John's coaches, they will tell you that John surrounds himself with the wrong people.

[350] and John is an extremely talented guy.

[351] Oh, amazing.

[352] Like maybe one of the most talented guys to ever compete in the sport.

[353] And incredibly strong mentally too.

[354] Because despite all of his issues with maybe not preparing as well as you could, when the chips are down, that guy gets through things.

[355] He overcomes adversity.

[356] He's not a front run.

[357] Well, he's the one that broke his toe, isn't he?

[358] That was horrific.

[359] So he's got to any.

[360] But he didn't even realize that was happening.

[361] That happened actually in the final flurry where he stopped Shail Sunnan.

[362] A more impressive performance is when he fought Vitor Belford.

[363] Right.

[364] Vitor completely hyper -extended his arm and he would not tap.

[365] Right.

[366] You know, it was for his title.

[367] Vitor came that close.

[368] Was it for the title?

[369] I believe it was.

[370] It might have a non -title fight.

[371] But Vitor came, find out if that was a title fight or non -title fight.

[372] Either way, Vitor came that close to legitimately beating John Jones.

[373] That close.

[374] Got a lot of fully locked in arms.

[375] arm bar that would have made 90 % of the professional fighters in the world tap.

[376] Well, that's what makes him who he is.

[377] But he couldn't say no to...

[378] It was a title fight?

[379] Yeah, Jamie just looked at up.

[380] But he couldn't say no to some blow.

[381] Well, he could say no. He didn't want to say no. Exactly.

[382] He didn't want to have a good time.

[383] So there's some sort of...

[384] I don't know whether it's weakness.

[385] I don't know.

[386] But there's some sort of weakness in there that...

[387] That's what I said.

[388] I don't know whether it is or whether it's not.

[389] It shouldn't be something you should be doing.

[390] But it's also indulgence.

[391] It's like...

[392] He likes to party, you know?

[393] But then isn't there also the issue that fighters in particular, especially guys that have a lot of hard gym sessions and a lot of hard fights, they have impulse control problems.

[394] And those impulse control problems, I'm obviously not a scientist or a doctor, but when you talk to neurologists and neuroscientists, they will tell you that there are direct correlations between head impacts and poor impulse control.

[395] It is absolutely a direct impact.

[396] And I, you know, not looking for a scapegoat in my own life, but I've looked back at some of the poor decision -making that I've done in my life, particularly in my fighting times, like back then.

[397] And I was like, I wonder if a lot of that was getting hit in the head a lot.

[398] Like, it can't be good to get kicked in the head.

[399] It's just never good.

[400] Not the best.

[401] It's just not good.

[402] And so if you've been kicked in the head or punched in the face or whatever, you know, any kind of impact.

[403] And that's the thing about football players they're saying now, is it even a shot to the chest, even getting tackled, like someone rams at you and slams their shoulders into your chest.

[404] The brain gets jostled around.

[405] You might not have a bruise on your face, but your brain is receiving essentially the same impact as a punch.

[406] Yeah, especially with a massive.

[407] Yes.

[408] You know, it's a shame, you know, a lot of people might not like this, but it is a shame that John Jones has gone like that.

[409] Do you know what I mean?

[410] because he's got to look back on him.

[411] Yeah.

[412] You know what I mean?

[413] He's got to look back on him and think, fuck.

[414] Well, he's also got to figure out what it is that he took.

[415] You know, they don't even exactly, they haven't isolated what he took.

[416] But the whole lifestyle, it's most certainly an issue.

[417] And it's almost like one of those things where you say you don't know what you got until it's gone.

[418] Well, it was kind of gone for a little while, but not really.

[419] He was always still in the mix.

[420] And there was always multi -million dollar fights of waiting.

[421] And then he fought over in St. Proust, so he's back in the mix and everything's looking good.

[422] He's slated to fight at UFC 200 against Daniel Kormier.

[423] He's going to make like 10 million bucks.

[424] It's going to be giant and then whoosh.

[425] It's gone for something that if you talk to people that are experts in performance -enhancing drugs, they'll tell you that this chlomaphene is what he got popped for, which is an anti -estrogen supplement.

[426] that's not even beneficial.

[427] The only time that stuff's beneficial is essentially when you're coming off of steroids.

[428] But yet he didn't test positive for steroids before or after.

[429] So it could have been a tainted supplement.

[430] It could have been a mistake.

[431] It could have been, who knows what wacky shit he was taking.

[432] I mean, I don't know.

[433] I just think that, you know, people forget that they lack, that sometimes you've still got to have guidance.

[434] You know, you've still got to have a guidance, you know, to just say, look, is that the best thing you should be doing?

[435] someone to talk to you know what i mean it's that's not going to be high -fiving you because you're going to you know stick a load of bugle up your nose isn't it harder though i think for champions because once they like dominate someone and kick someone's ass like say if you fight the the most difficult fight of your career you fight you know uh whether it's daniel carmere whoever it is you dominate them you win in beautiful fashion and then you know you're like god damn but i am the fucking man yeah and then you just want to do whatever you want to do after that and it's in indulgence and chaos and yeah there is but it comes to bite you on the ass yeah all the time it does but god damn it is a fucking story that plays itself out over and over and over and over and over and there's a bunch of these distraction stories like the ronda rousey story is ultimately a story of distraction i mean here's this woman who is just a freak right a completely dominant female ass kicker, something that we've never had before.

[436] I mean, you know, we had, like, female fighters before.

[437] Like, you remember Christy Martin was sort of a...

[438] Yeah, like, there was, like, a little bit of it with Layla Ali.

[439] People were kind of paying attention to her, but no one was paying attention to anyone even remotely on the scale of Ronda Rousey.

[440] But what happens then?

[441] Well, all of a sudden, Hollywood opens up its doors, you start doing movies, you get all these offers, you're the darling of talk shows, you're in fucking.

[442] commercials all the time everybody wants to kiss your ass and there's people that are coming up all around you that are assassins yeah and they're not getting all this attention they're just hungry they're not like holly home when she fought ronda was a massive underdog meantime meanwhile she was a 19 time world boxing champion she was a far more accomplished striker than ronda and ronda fought the exact wrong fight when you're fighting a 19 time world boxing champion whereas Misha Tate fought the exact right fight.

[443] Standing outside, barely engage her with strikes.

[444] Yeah.

[445] Just push her, push her, but back up.

[446] Push her and back up.

[447] Push her.

[448] Constantly move.

[449] Constantly vary your approach.

[450] And then when you get a hold of her, make it count.

[451] And she did that in the second round.

[452] And then ultimately she did it in the fifth round and submitted her.

[453] And that's what won her the fight.

[454] The difference between someone who has everything to gain like that, someone who is hungry.

[455] And then the fucking mindset of someone who becomes super successful, like a Mike Tyson in his prime.

[456] Yeah, yeah.

[457] Like, just start fucking off.

[458] You start believing that no one's going to beat your ass.

[459] And then you fight Buster Douglas with very little training.

[460] And he fucking puts that leather to your face.

[461] And reality hits you when that referee's standing over you counting, you realize, oh, this is happening to me now.

[462] Yeah.

[463] It must be difficult.

[464] And it mustn't be easy.

[465] But fighting is not easy, is it?

[466] No, it's definitely not.

[467] I mean, I was talking to somebody yesterday.

[468] We went out to a Thai restaurant with some friends from Brian Dobler's Jimmy, who's my mate have come to see over here.

[469] And we're just talking, and we're talking about fighting.

[470] And fighting so hard.

[471] And normally, you know, you're nervous, scared or whatever.

[472] You're corner screaming at you.

[473] You hear their corner screaming shit.

[474] You're thinking, what are they telling him?

[475] You're in the crowd if you're not zoned in properly.

[476] And it's not easy.

[477] And, you know, when fighters, you know, all of a sudden they find something, They might not have been the hardest kid at school.

[478] They might not have been, you know, the most popular.

[479] All of a sudden, you know, after a few fights, it just seems like whack, like John Jones or Rondering.

[480] All of a sudden, you're in these loads of money and people are paying you attention that, you know, wouldn't have talked to you at school and stuff like that.

[481] It's, it mustn't be easy.

[482] But nevertheless, you've still got some, you've still got, I think that, you know, you've got to maintain the rules.

[483] You've got to abide the rules.

[484] You have to have someone who helps you.

[485] I think every fighter, I mean, I shouldn't say every fighter, because some kind of figured out on their own.

[486] There's some guys that don't seem to fall into those traps.

[487] But most fighters can use some sort of guidelines.

[488] And there's also these facilitators that manifest themselves in your life.

[489] These people that want to make your life easier so they could be a part of your life.

[490] So they want to bring over girls.

[491] They want to bring over booze.

[492] They want to get you into the club.

[493] They want to like, hey, this is that guy that he's going to set everything up for you.

[494] I'll take care of it.

[495] And what they're doing is these guys are, they get into your life.

[496] And the way they get into your life is by making things easier for you so they could be a part of the, you know, Mike Tyson camp or whatever it is.

[497] And then next thing you know, you've got this entourage of 20 people hanging around you.

[498] And most of them are just fucking idiots.

[499] And you don't know who they are.

[500] And you're paying for their existence.

[501] You're funding their existence.

[502] And what they do is they hold doors open for you and they check you into hotel rooms.

[503] They do all these things that you could do on your own.

[504] and they sort of make it easier.

[505] And in making it easier, they sort of defined what is okay.

[506] Yeah.

[507] And then like, you know, no big deal.

[508] We're just going to go party.

[509] You're going to fuck this guy up anyway, man. Let's go hit the club.

[510] And then next thing you know, you're out late at night, not getting rest.

[511] Your coach is texting you.

[512] Are you in bed?

[513] You know.

[514] Yeah.

[515] And you're not because you're hanging around with these fucking clingons.

[516] And then when you've lost.

[517] They vanish.

[518] They vanish.

[519] Then you've lost, you vanish.

[520] And then you've got to pick up the pieces.

[521] Mm -hmm.

[522] And that's, As interesting, what I'd like to do is I'd like to people for me to be able to hire me, obviously, to be able to talk to them.

[523] You know, not just use hypnosis, but you're talking like, this is on my mind, well, this, this and this.

[524] You know, to put a block on before they do something that's fucking stupid.

[525] Do you know what I mean?

[526] I'd like to do that.

[527] And I think I'd do that anyway.

[528] Do you know what I mean?

[529] But I just, it's difficult.

[530] It's difficult to make it stick.

[531] Yeah.

[532] Like, if you have a good.

[533] idea in your head about like, you know what I need to do with my life?

[534] I need to eat healthy.

[535] I need to exercise.

[536] And I need to follow my dreams.

[537] Okay, good.

[538] Right now.

[539] That's a good thought right now.

[540] But how do you keep that?

[541] How do you make it stick?

[542] And that's a big issue with people that go up and they go down.

[543] I mean, how ridiculous are New Year's resolutions?

[544] How many people have come to you after New Year's in there?

[545] They're like, I'm going to lose 50 pounds.

[546] I'm going to stop smoking.

[547] I'm not going to eat any unhealthy.

[548] And then you see them like a couple weeks later they look great well you're sticking to it that's awesome man congratulations make the money isn't it and then five months later they're fat again and they're looking stupid and that's it's so normal well that's how health clubs make the money isn't it health clubs go right you join in january you get free january and then you blah blah blah and you go yeah don't have to have any joining fee and then they join that's it new year new me january there's the third yeah that's what they say new year new me yeah and then they're just like january the third oh well blah, blah, blah, can't be asked or...

[549] I was listening to this TED...

[550] I was listening to this TED Talk.

[551] It was a TED podcast.

[552] It was also a TED talk where they were talking about time and the way people perceive time.

[553] And the way people perceive time, they always perceive that they are now a finished product.

[554] This is like a big thing that people like to do.

[555] They look at themselves like, well, you know, when I was 20, I didn't know shit, but now that I'm 30, I got it together.

[556] And then when they're 40, they go, well, when I was 30, I thought I knew something, but now I know things.

[557] And they always want to think that they're done growing.

[558] But what this podcast was sort of emphasizing is that people are in a constant state of change and evolution.

[559] If you're thinking about things, you know, the expression, no one's perfect.

[560] It's true.

[561] No one is perfect.

[562] So if, in fact, you're not perfect, that means you're considering whatever you've done that maybe you could have done better or maybe you could have handled better or maybe you could have thought about in a better way or a more beneficial way.

[563] and then you grow and learn from that experience.

[564] Yeah, in a constant state of flux.

[565] You know, I'm a different person as I was.

[566] I was here nearly spot on a year.

[567] And I've learned more and changed and had different opinions.

[568] And I think if you read anything or you, you know, because we've got YouTube and got the likes of you, you know, with Rhonda Patrick and about turmeric, that I learned from listening to you and listening to other people and off Facebook and I've got a tumeric user group because they tell I got half rights in my foot, went to the doctors, can't do anything, just have to take paracetam.

[569] What is that it?

[570] Your arthritis from kickboxing?

[571] Yeah, some of ballet dancing or whatever I used to do.

[572] You're ballet dancing?

[573] I was lying.

[574] I can't dance.

[575] Don't be sad about dancing.

[576] But it's, whatever, anyway, kicking people.

[577] That's a real common one, right, with ankles and stuff, yeah.

[578] And I just, the doctor said, you know, you, that's it, basically.

[579] You take paracetamol.

[580] So I put on Facebook.

[581] What is paracetamol?

[582] Paracetamol is a painkiller.

[583] Oh, shit.

[584] So I just thought, you know what?

[585] And, you know, you can't keep taking ibuprofen.

[586] I remember you're saying to Joe about ibuprofen.

[587] And it causes inflammation anyway.

[588] So I put it on Facebook, I said, does anyone get an experienced arthritis?

[589] One of my friends, Lee Fraser, can't praise him enough, to be honest, thanks, Lee.

[590] He said he takes turmeric.

[591] So I started researching it.

[592] You'd mentioned it to Joe.

[593] Where kukumin.

[594] Yeah.

[595] Active ingredient.

[596] So I looked on tumouric user group, and then they said this thing about golden paste, which which is turmeric, black pepper, and coconut oil.

[597] You cook it for seven minutes with water, make a paste of it.

[598] And you look on Facebook, turmeric, use a grieve.

[599] And you basically take that.

[600] I've been taking it regularly, and there's no pain.

[601] No pain whatsoever.

[602] So it's brilliant.

[603] It's information.

[604] So you grind up the turmeric?

[605] No, you're taking it in a supplement form, or are you getting it from a root?

[606] No, you get turmeric.

[607] The root?

[608] You just get turmeric.

[609] No, yeah, the powder.

[610] Okay.

[611] So you know you could buy the root.

[612] The root is real common now.

[613] It's really interesting.

[614] Not in Liverpool.

[615] Not in Liverpool?

[616] No. No, not really.

[617] Do you have shitty supermarkets over there?

[618] I mean, I'm not going to slag Aldi off or anything like that, you know.

[619] What is Aldi?

[620] It's a supermarket.

[621] Oh, okay.

[622] Slag is another one.

[623] Slag it off, talking rubbish.

[624] So, no, the powder works.

[625] And, you know, you just, I don't know the actual, you know, measurements of it.

[626] But say it's a cup of water, half a cup of turmeric.

[627] You cook it for seven.

[628] minutes on a low heat until it starts to get into a paste.

[629] You add black pepper, like maybe two teaspoons of it.

[630] Why pepper?

[631] Because as an active ingredient it makes it, I think it makes it 400 times more absorbable into your body.

[632] Really?

[633] Yeah.

[634] Wow.

[635] Black pepper?

[636] Yeah, this thing called pepperine.

[637] Huh.

[638] Yeah.

[639] And why does it have to be cooked?

[640] I don't know.

[641] Huh.

[642] I'm not going to pretend to do.

[643] I could lie, yeah.

[644] How bad does it taste when you eat it?

[645] Not the best.

[646] But the thing is, it's like, what would you rather have?

[647] pain or oh that was horrible I just drink some water I'm the king of drinking disgusting things yeah I drink a lot of shitty things but it does work a lot of people have tried my kale shake recipe and almost vomited I have a friend who I have a friend called Nathan Wright and his hands he said he couldn't his hands were that bad with arthritis that he couldn't you know spray deodorant said he stunk and that's his words not mine and then he started taking this turmeric paste and he's fine he's come like 80 90 % better I mean come Do you use fish oil and have you altered your diet?

[648] Me?

[649] Yes.

[650] Yes, I do take a lot of fish oil.

[651] How much do you take?

[652] I take two massive tablespoons of it when I'm at home.

[653] That's great.

[654] Because I've been in the States, I was taking five capsules with water.

[655] I was taking ubiquinol.

[656] What's ubiquinol?

[657] Coenzyme Q10, but it's a little bit of higher level of one.

[658] And yeah, and my mate's, my friend now, Aaron, has just got this.

[659] a tumouric and arnica Thai oil type stuff called three leopards liniment that I've you know see you're going to trial and that I had a massage of it yesterday let's let me clear up your word there Thai liniment is what you're saying yes it smells the same as Thai oil if any of the use your best add that's a liniment that Thai fighters would use for sore muscles and things along those lines smells like wintergreen you know menthol and stuff like that I don't know what's in it Tiger bomb was a big one that.

[660] Yeah, a bit like that.

[661] But it's, it's, what does that stuff do?

[662] It's very good.

[663] Arnika gets rid of bruises.

[664] I'm not showing you.

[665] Arnika gets rid of bruises and.

[666] But how?

[667] Does it really work?

[668] Well, I've only just started using it, but as far as I'm concerned, I liked it.

[669] Look, I have a friend who's a doctor and he told me that all that stuff like Ben Gay.

[670] And I go, oh, that stuff makes you feel better.

[671] He goes, he goes, it's a topical analgesic.

[672] He goes, what does that mean?

[673] He goes, it makes your skin red.

[674] Oh.

[675] It makes you feel like a lot is happening.

[676] You know, like heat there.

[677] It feels good.

[678] But it goes, in order for that stuff to absorb deeply into your system, into your, get into your tissue, he's like, you would have to get into your bloodstream.

[679] And then it would be toxic.

[680] Yeah.

[681] And I was like, oh, yeah.

[682] But it feels good.

[683] When you take, like, one of those, some tiger bomb, I have these patches that I'll put on.

[684] Like, if I have a muscle pull or something like that, I'll put a tiger bomb patch on it.

[685] And it's somehow another relaxes it in some sort of a way, but it might be psychological.

[686] That's what the oil does.

[687] Whether it's psychological or not, it says, I like it.

[688] It smells nice.

[689] It smells like my normal smell.

[690] So this Arnica, Thai liniment stuff your friend uses, it's turmeric as well?

[691] Yeah, turmeric as well, yeah.

[692] So he's, these loads of spiel on it, you know, and on the bottle, but I'm just one of these people, me, oh, try it.

[693] You know, and I had a massage of it yesterday, you know, I feel relaxed.

[694] Well, they say that most of the issues that people have, even like a lot of diseases, they stem from inflammation.

[695] And a lot of inflammation is caused by diet.

[696] It's caused by, you know, just eating bad food and not being healthy.

[697] So your body has this reaction to this food.

[698] It's inflammatory reaction.

[699] Yeah.

[700] It's certainly not easy.

[701] You find out what gives you inflammation and what doesn't.

[702] And I don't know.

[703] I think it must vary from person to person.

[704] Yes.

[705] It most certainly does.

[706] certain things and, you know, and different things.

[707] But the golden paste, the turmeric thing, has worked brilliant for me. I can't praise it enough.

[708] That's interesting.

[709] And so how quickly did it take, like, how long did it take before it?

[710] It was like you were really rock -solid with it, where you realized that this is really beneficial for you.

[711] Honestly, about two days.

[712] Two days?

[713] Honestly.

[714] That's incredible.

[715] And I was really pissed.

[716] Are you working for the turmeric industry?

[717] I am.

[718] I was really, yeah, yeah.

[719] And you can buy this.

[720] No, I was really pissed off.

[721] because the doctor went, well, there's nothing you can do.

[722] And sometimes you say to the doctor, I think I've got this, that, and the other one, because they think that you're self -diagnose anything.

[723] No, you know.

[724] Right.

[725] You know, there's sort of like, you know, and I just said, look, you know, and she said, well, it's arthritis, you know, just paracetamol.

[726] And I didn't want that.

[727] Right.

[728] You know, I didn't want that.

[729] And then when I put on on Facebook, which is a good tool for sometimes for getting information, like the internet is, and it worked a treat, and then they got into this group and yeah it was brilliant and it's worked for me fantastically well yeah you have to sort of separate the bullshit from the reality but if you can do that you can definitely find a lot of stuff online and it's it's confusing to me when doctors dismiss dietary solutions yeah you know because very few doctors are really well educated in nutrition yeah and especially educated in the understanding of the mechanisms involved in absorbing nutrients and what compounds or accentuates nutrition absorption and what's beneficial.

[730] There's so many doctors just, they poo -poo it because they don't understand it.

[731] They have no knowledge of it.

[732] Well, my friend, when he took turmeric, he went to the doctors, and the doctor was saying, you know, you're going to take these, whatever, aliprenol, I think it is.

[733] And he said to him, right, you take this, and he went, oh, I've stopped having the, because he had a regular checkup.

[734] He had gout really badly.

[735] And he went in and then the doctor said, he said, oh, I've been taking turmeric.

[736] And he said to me, he said to the doctor, the doctor said, well, I have heard of that, but it's not been tested.

[737] Tumeric's not been tested?

[738] He said, well, I have heard it works, but it's not been tested.

[739] So they're aware, I think.

[740] I think they're aware.

[741] I don't want to piss on doctors because some of them are brilliant, aren't you know.

[742] Are there double -blind placebo -controlled studies from any major university that shows the beneficial effects of turmeric?

[743] It doesn't probably make any money, does it, turmeric?

[744] Well, it should.

[745] You know?

[746] I mean, it seems like it should, right?

[747] I mean, isn't there a massive industry in helping people with inflame tendons?

[748] The problem with those things is you can't control it.

[749] Like, if you do a study on, you know, whatever, fill in the blank, Tylenol or something like that, someone created Tylenol, right?

[750] So if you do a study on Tylenol and it shows its efficacy, then you can sell more of it.

[751] But if you do a study on turmeric, I'm like, great, thanks for fun in the study.

[752] I'm going to go sell it now.

[753] And I'm going to point to your study and I'm going to make a ton of money off of your study.

[754] and I can just grow it in my backyard.

[755] Yeah.

[756] I mean, that's the problem with marijuana.

[757] And it's a problem with any sort of, it's been, it's a survey.

[758] Yes.

[759] It's like 100 people surveyed.

[760] I've never been asked about it.

[761] Well, it's not, we're not talking about surveys.

[762] We're talking about double -blind placebo -controlled studies on information.

[763] If they did something along those lines.

[764] Like, one of the big issues that's going on with medical marijuana is the pushback from pharmaceutical companies that are trying to stop medical marijuana from becoming legal nationwide, and they've halted, at least delayed the Supreme Court's changing of the designation from a Schedule 1 to a Schedule 2 in this country.

[765] Schedule 1 shows no medicinal value whatsoever.

[766] That's where marijuana is.

[767] Meanwhile, marijuana is passed as a medical supplement in, I don't know how many states now.

[768] I think it's like 20, and it's legal in four or five states now.

[769] It's legal in Washington, D .C., it's legal in Colorado.

[770] It's legal in Washington State.

[771] It's legal in Oregon, just recreationally.

[772] Yeah.

[773] So it's obviously, there's some benefit of it medically.

[774] If all these doctors are prescribing in, it shows massive reduction in tumors with the use of CBD.

[775] It helps control pain.

[776] Rick Simpson oil.

[777] Yes.

[778] I mean, it's incredible how much benefit there is in this one plant.

[779] But yet the pushback from the pharmaceutical industry is still incredibly strong because they don't.

[780] I posted something really.

[781] recently, how much money the pharmaceutical, there was a chart that showed how much money the pharmaceutical industry stands to lose if medical cannabis is made legal nationwide and readily available.

[782] It's billions of dollars every year they're going to lose because all these solutions that they offer, there's better, simpler, and far cheaper solutions with cannabis, especially because it's one of the easiest things to grow.

[783] I mean, a lot of people grow their own tomatoes in their backyard.

[784] things like that like pot you all you do is plant it throw some water on it it's done not in england not in england not in england you won't grow unless you get well i don't know why it's rains there all the time yeah it's not we're not the best weather have we you know what i guarantee you weed will grow in england yeah what if you had a tent and some some lights and let's try it and film it live yeah here's shorman getting arrested live how how illegal how illegal is pot in in england um i think you can get uh Um, you can get a rest, you can, I don't know.

[785] So stupid.

[786] I'm not very good with being dangerous.

[787] Meanwhile, everybody's drunk.

[788] Yeah.

[789] I've never seen more drunk people in England.

[790] Yeah, well, that's it.

[791] That's all we do.

[792] God damn you people love to drink.

[793] It's hilarious.

[794] Yeah.

[795] But you're good at it.

[796] That's what other thing.

[797] I'm not.

[798] I'm rubbish.

[799] People are way better at being drunk.

[800] Yeah.

[801] I think that I'm rubbish at drinking.

[802] Oh, God, yeah.

[803] Awful.

[804] Yeah, what happens?

[805] Start crying?

[806] Do you sing?

[807] A cry, sing, dance.

[808] Hug people you shouldn't hug?

[809] Yeah.

[810] Hang on too long?

[811] Yeah, and just, memory loss you know vomit you know the usual the usual stuff that but you know I don't know with cannabis and I don't take it but I mean to see what's going I think believe I believe that there's a cure for everything on the planet I think we've these loads of stuff that we haven't explored the mind as well I just think there's loads of stuff to explore yet the mind is a fascinating solution to a lot of issues that people have and thinking positive or thinking negative a worry and the stress and we were talking earlier about cortisol and the stress response to literally thinking about something affects your physical health and thinking about things in the wrong way affects your physical health yeah and we got we got I think we got more things to worry about we I think we got more things to worry about now but they're actually not anything to worry about does that make sense you look at Facebook and you get mad over someone's fucking he's an idiot some Trump supporter how do you I don't know anything about that.

[812] And you start typing something, you know, I'm doing that when you get involved in something or you get angry about something.

[813] I do it.

[814] You know, I'm not going to lie.

[815] And he just thinks to yourself, what the fuck am I doing?

[816] And I think years ago when the caveman was only worried about if they're going to get, something's going to eat them, or they've got to eat something.

[817] And I think that might have been easy.

[818] Of course, he died of diseases and he may have died younger or whatever.

[819] But I mean, I bet they lived a more peaceful life.

[820] And they didn't have Facebook, though.

[821] They didn't have Facebook, though.

[822] That's part of the problem.

[823] They didn't even.

[824] didn't have anything to look at.

[825] And they didn't have comments on YouTube like John Wayne Powell was saying he was gay.

[826] He gets mad.

[827] Yeah, but I mean, I just, I got the same.

[828] I got also.

[829] I was called Varys of Game of Thrones, which I was quite pleased about.

[830] I was like, I'll take Lord Varys.

[831] He's got no penis.

[832] Nothing wrong with that.

[833] No. But I just think, you know, I don't get it.

[834] Some things I don't get.

[835] I don't get haters.

[836] I don't understand them.

[837] But don't you, though?

[838] Because when we were talking about all these different.

[839] things that happen in life that sort of set you up for the next stages of life and define you and sort of alter and affect your decision -making process and your behavior process, don't you think that a lot of these people just live very unfortunate existences?

[840] And whether it's by chance or whether it's by bad decision -making that has just compounded itself over the years when you see some of the hateful things that people posted about let's say john wayne par who's the nicest guy yeah indeed it's brilliant guy and multiple time world moitai champion incredibly accomplished his wife's nice his kids are great fantastic his kid's so cool by the way there's a video of his kid hitting the pads you want to see something impressive his kid is fighting i think she's fighting on the 20th well 20th jazzy and uh he sent me this video of her hitting the pads and you're like holy shit and everything you know His son can do flips They're like a ninja family Yeah they're pretty incredible His wife was a fighter as well I went over there and stayed with them You know I went to their show and listen Nothing but respect for John Wayne Pines A lovely lovely guy And he's got a great sense of humor as well You know Don't take himself too seriously No he's very self -deprecating He's very aware of how good he is But he's also very self -deprecating Like watch this Let's watch this video This is her What happened?

[841] What'd you do?

[842] You changed the screens.

[843] Yeah.

[844] Did your computer fail?

[845] She's in Thailand and this girl is like, what is she?

[846] Yeah, something like that.

[847] Now that's their gym in Australia in Boone Gym.

[848] Oh, okay.

[849] Oh, there's another one.

[850] There's one that I looked at that was different.

[851] It was on YouTube.

[852] Oh, she's 13 years old, okay.

[853] Okay.

[854] But the point is, you know, there's people that hate on this guy and they're not well.

[855] No. Like they're not happy.

[856] They're not looking at him and going, you fucking loser.

[857] They're not like finding a reason why he's, they're just trying to find a reason.

[858] I got it.

[859] I got one about a hypnotherapist saying, oh, he knows nothing.

[860] He's like, right, okay.

[861] When did you get this?

[862] Oh, just one of the comments, you know?

[863] And I was just like, and he was like, yeah, you know nothing about hypnosis.

[864] I'm like, right, well, I'm here and you're not.

[865] Sorry.

[866] What does that mean?

[867] You know nothing about it?

[868] He know nothing, and you know nothing about hypnosis.

[869] Brown, all that.

[870] I've only been to see him three times.

[871] I read all these books, and he's an amazing, amazing guy.

[872] And I know that.

[873] You know what I mean?

[874] But I just think you'll get.

[875] Whatever you get, whatever you do, I deem this.

[876] Like, I think Joe Schilling said, Jesus was great.

[877] You'd invite him to a party.

[878] You could turn this water into wine.

[879] He could, hey, your granddad dead.

[880] Don't worry.

[881] Bing, we'll bring him back to life.

[882] You brought your leg.

[883] There you go.

[884] You know, we'll go fishing, catch all the fish.

[885] He was a great guy.

[886] He still killed him.

[887] You know, you're going to get people are going to hate you just because.

[888] Because it's more about them than it is about you.

[889] It is more about them than it is about you.

[890] That's a big factor with online interaction with people.

[891] What you're doing is you're interacting with their own past and their own failures.

[892] Yeah.

[893] And the vast majority of people in this life are not living, fulfilled, and happy existences.

[894] Faceless assassins, aren't they?

[895] The faceless assassins, really, like snipers of nothingness.

[896] Oh, you mean commenters?

[897] Yeah.

[898] Yeah, but they're not really faceless, right?

[899] Like, at the end of the day, if you get to who they really are and what's really bothering them, they're no different than you or I. They just, they got a fucked up start in this life and they never recovered.

[900] Yeah.

[901] That's what most of it is.

[902] You're turning into me. No, I've always been like this.

[903] I mean, I mean, there's a whole video I did on YouTube, be the hero of your own movie.

[904] Yeah, I've seen it.

[905] It's very good.

[906] If you were in a movie and the movie started right now and you're a fucking failure, just think about where your life's at.

[907] What would the hero do?

[908] What would you do?

[909] Have you seen the Idrisalba one?

[910] No. My friend Warren Brown works with Idriselba.

[911] He's on a TV show called Louva.

[912] Is he the new 007?

[913] Did they make him double seven?

[914] A lot of white people are freaking out.

[915] I don't care as long as he has vodka, martini, shaking, not sir.

[916] I don't care what color he is.

[917] But he was, yeah, Warren, he works with him.

[918] And he's doing a show now for Discovery, and he's training to be a kickbox.

[919] He's going to have a fight.

[920] He's going to fight?

[921] Yeah.

[922] Who's he fighting?

[923] I don't know yet.

[924] How old is he?

[925] He's, I think he's 42.

[926] And he's going to have his first ever kickbox?

[927] Yeah, my friend, Kieran Kettle, he's training him.

[928] And they've been all over.

[929] It's a show with Discovery.

[930] I was meant to be on it and be the mind coach for the show.

[931] Well, I don't know what happened.

[932] Is there any video of him training?

[933] Not yet.

[934] No?

[935] See if you can find something, Jamie.

[936] But Warren, Warren, who was on the show with him.

[937] This video, he found it already.

[938] Oh, right, have you got it yet?

[939] I'm sorry.

[940] Here he is, let me see.

[941] Oh, Jesus.

[942] That's Daniel Sam as well from England.

[943] Not bad A little stiff It's hard to see Oh it's terrible Someone's gonna tell him to keep his fucking hands up Look at his kicks though Not too bad Not too bad If you stand right in front of him We'll fuck you up He's game though He's game Yeah well listen He's got to be if he's actually gonna have a fight Yeah he's game God he's so off balance though Right when I say that he falls it's like you're watching his fundamentals it's almost like he really shouldn't be hitting pads here if I was coaching a guy like that I would tell him all I want you to do is touch these things video is over five years old too though five years old oh so he's gotten better yeah yeah yeah okay well hey man that's really good then if that's five years ago and he's been steady at it since then that's really good because he's got like some basic movements down the way he's throwing his weight into things He just, you know, guys try to hit things hard before they learn how to hit things right.

[944] Yeah.

[945] Yeah.

[946] Because his friend who was in Luther, the other detective, was Warren Brown, who's my mate, my friend.

[947] He won two World Tidewells in Thai boxing.

[948] So I think they've been talking about it and Warren's been helping him and Kieran's been helping him.

[949] But it should be a good show because you see all of him, he see him training and between movies like he's made when we Spielberg.

[950] Right.

[951] The Dark Tower or something with Matthew McCona.

[952] Where is he in a fight?

[953] I don't know I think maybe in Thailand I actually don't know In Thailand Yeah I think so Jesus he's going deep I know So he's going to give him respect Man He's going to fight full multi -rules The whole deal I think he's fighting K1 rules Oh okay no elbows Which would be a damn sight easier Right so you don't get elbowed in the face And get cut up Clinch and all that sort of business But you gotta give him respect I like that I think And I like the way he's testing himself But he did a video on YouTube about life and that And how he envisioned himself Doing this stuff I knew I really like that.

[954] I was gutted when I weren't part of the show.

[955] I really wanted to do that.

[956] When you went what?

[957] I was gutted.

[958] You were gutted when what?

[959] I don't know.

[960] Word you just said.

[961] I was disappointed.

[962] I got this when I would want this.

[963] What did you say?

[964] It's part and parcel.

[965] That's what I kept saying last time.

[966] I was upset.

[967] You were upset.

[968] Because I was going to be part of the show.

[969] Oh, you were going to be part of it.

[970] You know, because fighters have mind coaches now.

[971] But anyway, logistically, it didn't work and stuff like that.

[972] But I mean, you wish him all the best.

[973] than Kieran and everyone on the show.

[974] It would be brilliant.

[975] So who's coaching him?

[976] Kieran Kedl.

[977] Oh, from CSA?

[978] No, Kieran.

[979] No, that's Kirian.

[980] Oh, okay.

[981] Kieran, Kedl.

[982] He's from England.

[983] Yeah.

[984] Kirian from CSA is a Irish gentleman, right?

[985] What is his last name?

[986] Kieran?

[987] I don't know if he's...

[988] Kieran, I don't know.

[989] He's second name.

[990] Forget his last name.

[991] Fitzgibbibbons.

[992] Yeah.

[993] Fitzgibbons.

[994] Yeah, he's a good coach.

[995] He coaches Zoyler, doesn't he, and Kevin Ross.

[996] He's a good coach.

[997] And Gaston Balanos.

[998] Right, right, right, right.

[999] Yeah, very good.

[1000] Have you seen the fight between Mohamed Jariah and Norden Benmo?

[1001] No. Can you flush it up?

[1002] Right now?

[1003] Spell it out, yeah.

[1004] Geriah is J -A -R -A -A -R -A -R -A -R -A -J -R -A -R -A -V -B -A -A -B -A -A -N -M -O -H.

[1005] It's only just watched the third round.

[1006] Look at his face, he didn't get a word of that.

[1007] I could tell.

[1008] Spell it out, slowly.

[1009] J?

[1010] A. R. A -Y -A versus Ben -M -M -O -H.

[1011] I'm writing it with my finger.

[1012] M -O -H.

[1013] Is that what you said?

[1014] Yeah, the Moroccan.

[1015] Did you say H or H?

[1016] Why do you say H?

[1017] H. H. Is that how you guys say H?

[1018] Yeah.

[1019] H. H. You guys do that too with Z. You say Z. Yeah, we do.

[1020] What the fuck is that?

[1021] We do.

[1022] I don't know.

[1023] We invented it.

[1024] But that's why I understand.

[1025] How did it get abandoned?

[1026] You need to keep up.

[1027] Like, this seems to be like some disconnect between some of the words.

[1028] Like, tires.

[1029] You guys use a Y and tires.

[1030] Yeah, and color.

[1031] We don't have you in it.

[1032] You guys have a U and color.

[1033] What the fuck is that about?

[1034] Do you have extra U's laying around?

[1035] Yeah, we just throw this in.

[1036] Why is tire T -Y -R -E -S?

[1037] I haven't got our foggiest.

[1038] Who invented tires?

[1039] I think we did.

[1040] So you might want to fuck off.

[1041] Right, I'll go now.

[1042] So what do you want me to see about this fight?

[1043] This fight is one of the best kickboxing fight.

[1044] I've ever seen in my life.

[1045] When was this?

[1046] It's absolutely ridiculous.

[1047] It was last year on infusion.

[1048] I'm not, it's because I have a commenter and I work for these.

[1049] But these two knock the proverbial holes out of each other.

[1050] May 27, is it March?

[1051] March 27th?

[1052] February 27th.

[1053] Oh, okay.

[1054] What is M -C -H?

[1055] What is that sign?

[1056] Oh, it's the, okay, I see what you're saying.

[1057] So in round, just put round three on.

[1058] And N -Fusion is with an E -F -U -S -I -O -N is a M -E -E -S -I -O -N is a Muay organization in Europe Yeah in Holland Yeah and they're doing a 200 ,000 Euro tournament in September 17 but this kid Gerai is 19 and it's It's absolutely ridiculous fight Wow Okay I'll check it out Yeah do so I'll check it out I'm obviously a big fan of kickboxing and I'm super psyched that Glory is going to put on Bader Hari versus Rico Verhoeven, if Bader Harri gets to stay out of jail.

[1059] Yeah, no, he's not in jail.

[1060] He's not in jail.

[1061] He's out.

[1062] No, he's not right now.

[1063] No, he's not right now.

[1064] But this is a long time between now in December.

[1065] Well, we'll see.

[1066] Who do you think, who did you pick?

[1067] He makes John Jones look like a fucking choir boy.

[1068] I know, true.

[1069] Doesn't he?

[1070] Yeah, well, yeah.

[1071] Who would you say?

[1072] It's an interesting fight.

[1073] I mean, for sure Bader can win.

[1074] For sure RICO can win.

[1075] RICO's been much more active.

[1076] RICO has incredible cardio.

[1077] If you go to the Barahari that beat Alster Overe, in the rematch, you know, you go to that Bader, you know, the Bader who was in his peak.

[1078] I mean, Bader was a monster.

[1079] Yeah.

[1080] But it's been a long time, and he's not been very active over the last few years.

[1081] He's had a lot of...

[1082] He's which batter that turns up, isn't it?

[1083] What's that?

[1084] It's which Bader turns up, but it's also, like, all of the legal issues that he's gone through, all the the behavioral issues, I mean, he's had a lot of problems.

[1085] Allegedly broke some guy's leg in a nightclub.

[1086] They say he held the guy down, stomped his shin and smashed his leg that's crazy shit man and who knows who knows who knows what the fuck is going on with that dude yeah Rico's a I don't know he's Rico and his mom and dad and they're real nice people he's a nice guy and stuff you know badders probably the most exciting heavy way ever he's a wild man he's a fucking wild man and he's legit knockout power and the other thing is he throws caution literally to the wind I mean he he unloads with full power shots wades forward throws bombs like he throws out all ideas of like being technical and being being um being really cautious and and and like setting traps he's not setting traps no he's dropping missiles on you it gets to him a thing i've heard that he throws up i think he gets that nervous i think he's bad for the fight yeah he gets really sort of super nervous makes sense if you see the way he fights yeah fights like it's fucking chaos like someone's neck something off him doesn't he Someone killed somebody he loves That's what he fights like He fights like a wild man But it's so exciting But Rico is a different kind of fighter Rico is a very athletic big heavyweight Who is amazing cardio Outstanding technique Yeah His boxing's outstanding His kickboxing is outstanding Huge huge Huge guy He's a natural 250 plus And he's in incredible shape Yeah There's boater The thing about This is the Glory Preview video they're putting on pretty sure the thing about riko is that riko's been super active while boater's been dealing with all these problems and riko's been getting better and riko's been beating guys that you know he had some problems with some guys in the past and you see him now and he's just a much better fighter in every shape way shape or form yeah when he fought benjamin adibuy i thought that was brilliant i mean he's been he was sparring with tyson fury wasn't he and all decent heavyweights and beating daniel gita who's Daniel Gita fight is a good example because they had fought before and it was a very close fight but in the rematch it was not close at all Rico kind of ran away with it Rico's on another level right now but the thing about Bader is like when he was at his best and you kind of got to assume that it's possible that he could go back to how he was when he was at his best when Bader was at his best he was a fucking hurricane in there he was I remember I've seen I've seen him because he fought a lot on it showtime and the Moroccans absolutely love him but a bit like Jariah.

[1087] Mohamed Jariah is coming through now and Ilias Baleigh, they loved them.

[1088] Who was it that he stomped in the head?

[1089] Remy Bonjawski and Hestergurgis.

[1090] He booted Hestergurgis when he was on the floor.

[1091] Yeah, he got disqualified for that one, right?

[1092] Yeah, I got disqualified for both.

[1093] Both of them, Bonjawski too.

[1094] Bonjowski looked a little bit like he was kind of like acting it up a little bit.

[1095] I'm saying nothing.

[1096] I have to go to Holland.

[1097] You're saying nothing?

[1098] I have to go to Holland.

[1099] Well, I think it's probably smart in this part.

[1100] Like, listen, the fight's over if I just lay here.

[1101] Thanks for the morning.

[1102] Yeah.

[1103] It just seemed a little, like, this guy who's been beaten up his entire career and, you know, taking amazing shots all of a sudden one kick when he's down and he just decided.

[1104] Like, here it is right here.

[1105] Yeah.

[1106] That one kick.

[1107] That was it.

[1108] I can't go on.

[1109] No way, right?

[1110] I mean, it wasn't a nice thing that he did.

[1111] It certainly was great.

[1112] rounds for disqualification, but to see him rolling around the ground, like, he can't, it can't function anymore.

[1113] I'm like, okay.

[1114] The Hester Gurgis one was worse.

[1115] He did volley him, didn't he, when he was on the floor?

[1116] Yeah.

[1117] Well, he's fucking crazy.

[1118] Why is he like that?

[1119] Does anybody know?

[1120] I don't know.

[1121] I just think he's great.

[1122] He's dead nice with me. He's been, like, he was really, really nice with me. And I'm like, well, he's all right with me. He was just the wrong guy to cross.

[1123] Yeah, indeed.

[1124] Yeah, he's just the wrong guy to cross.

[1125] You don't want to fuck with Botter Hari.

[1126] It is.

[1127] He's a dangerous, dangerous man. So do you want to do this technique?

[1128] So what is it you want to do?

[1129] So basically it's a calming technique.

[1130] Okay, yeah, we were about to do this earlier.

[1131] We got so distracted.

[1132] Carry on down.

[1133] You're going to tell people in their cars to be careful.

[1134] Yes.

[1135] Please don't do this while you're driving your car.

[1136] And what are we doing here?

[1137] Explain this to people?

[1138] And using any machinery or anything dangerous.

[1139] Just we're just, I'll just show you a basic technique.

[1140] It's a submodality move.

[1141] So submodality is a, you know, submodality?

[1142] Yeah, what's going, like something that's going on in the background.

[1143] Okay.

[1144] So it just calms you down.

[1145] So people can use it for, I don't know, before training or just stressful day or whatever they want to do.

[1146] Or after a stressful day, you know, get some time to sleep or whatever.

[1147] It's a self -itnosis technique really that I wanted to share.

[1148] Okay, that's all right with you.

[1149] Yeah, please.

[1150] Okay, so do you want to sit back a bit?

[1151] Okay.

[1152] Step back?

[1153] No, just sit back.

[1154] Okay.

[1155] What I want you to do is find a comfortable chair or you can or in your bed or whatever while you listen to this and I want you just allow you so just close your eyes a moment.

[1156] I want you to imagine that you're in a room.

[1157] This room could be any colour you wish and in front of you there's a window.

[1158] The window is slightly open and I want you to move towards that window.

[1159] And as you go towards that window, I want you to imagine outside there is traffic.

[1160] bumper to bumper cars traffic and we know what traffic causes when you're in a traffic jam you know them situations I also want to imagine that there's a dog running around and barking a really big dog and making lots of noise there's also a man and woman arguing in the street and having a blazing row the window next door of the house that you live in they're blaring out really loud music there's also a group of school children coming from, back from school and making noise.

[1161] I want you notice what you notice, hear what you hear, and feel what you feel about this situation with the window open.

[1162] Now I want you to start moving backwards, further and further away from the window, so the window gets smaller and smaller.

[1163] And as you move really, really back from the window, I want to allow that window to get smaller and smaller.

[1164] And as you go really weary away from the window, so window's really, really small.

[1165] I want to go out of that room and close the door and just be.

[1166] And that's it.

[1167] That's it?

[1168] Yes.

[1169] Just get away from the window?

[1170] Just get away from that window.

[1171] So that should make a bumper sticker, get away from the window.

[1172] Yeah.

[1173] It's just so you just withdraw it away from the window.

[1174] We draw the way from chaos and just quieting yourself down.

[1175] So now using that as a tool, like how would one implement that?

[1176] that in their life like that sort of a there's loads of different ways of induction into hypnosis there's loads of inductions there's loads of different ways with that I just I just like it personally I learn of a lady called Dolores Ashcroft Nowiski and to just move away from things that are going on and just give yourself just even a few minutes just quiet and when you shut down you shut the door and you just be you can just imagine yourself sitting and then you can start using your breathing techniques or just allowing yourself to just sit just for a few minutes and see what comes up for you, see how calm you can get.

[1177] We were talking about something before the podcast that I wanted to talk to you about in relationship to archery, that there's a thing that happens in archery called Target Panic.

[1178] And what Target Panic is is people that in the moment they start freaking out and they can't stay calm and they can't they what they do is they they try to get that pin like when when you're shooting a bow you have a sight and on that site has a pin and the pin is it's it's set up to whatever yardage you're trying to shoot at and your bow gets sighted in and once your bow is sighted in you can kind of dial your scope to or your your site to like 20 yards 30 yards 40 yards and what happens is people put that pin on the target, whether it's at a competition or whether it's bow hunting, whatever it is.

[1179] You put that pin on the target and the moment that's on the target, you start freaking out because the moment that this all is going down is happening soon and people hammer that trigger.

[1180] When they hammer that trigger, they jerk the pin off line.

[1181] They don't stay still.

[1182] They panic.

[1183] And this target panic causes bad shots.

[1184] And you introduced me to this.

[1185] You introduced me to this idea called Hakalau.

[1186] Hakalau.

[1187] Hakalau.

[1188] Explain to me Hakalau.

[1189] Hakalau is from a belief system from Hawaii called Hoonah.

[1190] It's a hypnotic state.

[1191] You're in hypnosis all the time.

[1192] You're driving, watching TV, as we said earlier.

[1193] Right, when you drive and you don't even realize how you got home, you're just on autopilot.

[1194] That's hypnosis.

[1195] Hypnogogogic, that's the word?

[1196] Yes.

[1197] And he's driving hypnosis, basically.

[1198] So Hakalau spell it?

[1199] H -A -K -H -H these motherfuckers and their brutalization of our god -given language of our president's language it's H -A -K -A -L -O -O -A -L -A -L -A -L -A -O.

[1200] Oh, is it?

[1201] You've got me, B' -A -S gone now.

[1202] H -A -L -A -L -A -U -H -A -U.

[1203] H -A -L -A -U, yeah.

[1204] L -A -U.

[1205] Yeah.

[1206] So it's a hypnotic state, and it's quite easy to do.

[1207] I've done it with a lot of people, and it works very, very well.

[1208] to calm yourself down a little bit.

[1209] So as I said before, what you do is, I'll just sit down and do it.

[1210] So you basically, there's lots of different ways of doing it.

[1211] You can find a spot on the wall that's higher than your eye line.

[1212] So you're kind of looking up on a diagonal.

[1213] And if you imagine that you're looking for your third eye, looking through the middle of your eyebrows.

[1214] And what you do is you focus on a spot on the wall.

[1215] And while you're focusing all your energy on that spot, you imagine that you can see all the way to the left and all the way to the right.

[1216] imagine that you can see really high above yourself and below yourself and then you imagine while you're looking at it you can imagine you can use your awareness to touch everything in the room so you can see behind yourself really above yourself and below yourself and around yourself and what that does it just it calms you down and gives you a bigger periphery it's peripheral vision it's increasing your peripheral vision which is extremely good for combat athletes etc and you know just being calm and just putting yourself in a calming situation Like we talked about Vasila Lomachenko, didn't we?

[1217] Earlier, he's in Hakal all the time.

[1218] He's amazing him.

[1219] Yeah, he's pretty badass.

[1220] He's amazing.

[1221] So explain to me why increasing your peripheral benefits you.

[1222] Like, what does it do?

[1223] Well, because when people say you have tunnel vision, you don't see that way, don't you?

[1224] Right.

[1225] Tunnel vision's like that.

[1226] You don't see anything else.

[1227] You see that in street fights.

[1228] Yeah.

[1229] You see that, like I've talked about this one street fight where I watched in front of the comedy store, These two guys were arguing, and this one guy had zero idea how to fight.

[1230] I mean, like, literally zero.

[1231] And he's standing in front of this other guy, and they start throwing blows.

[1232] And this guy literally, he's wincing, his eyes are almost closed, and he's doing this.

[1233] Was it May?

[1234] He's standing square in front of this guy, and he's literally, like, throwing his hands.

[1235] A bus moves in front of us.

[1236] I can't see what happens.

[1237] The bus pulls forth, and the guy's flattened.

[1238] just laying flat out and the other guy's running away.

[1239] So this guy cracked him.

[1240] The other guy didn't know what the fuck he was doing either.

[1241] He was lucky that the first guy was a paniker.

[1242] I thought he got over by the bus then.

[1243] No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He just got knocked out on the street.

[1244] They were in this street when this happened, though.

[1245] But my point is that you could tell that this guy was frozen in this moment.

[1246] He wasn't like aware this guy's throwing his hands at him and moving his head out of the way and being completely aware.

[1247] most of the time in in really incredibly stressful situations your your point of vision closes yeah and you tense up yeah so by expanding your peripheral vision you think you can relax yeah you can and you can become more you come extra aware what is going on when you're expanding your peripheral vision you're opening your unconscious so so you're opening your unconscious via just by just seeing more than you can actually see.

[1248] So say if you were in an archery competition, you're shooting at this target that's like 70 meters away, and you really have to concentrate and you're looking at that spot and you're like, and there's all these nerves and everything like that, and you're drawing your bow back and you're concentrating on that spot.

[1249] How would one implement that then?

[1250] Well, you do hackler.

[1251] You do that first.

[1252] Explain that.

[1253] So you find a spot on that, you find a spot that's higher than the target, for instance.

[1254] So say the target's here, okay.

[1255] You'd find the target that's just above, say, Elvis is.

[1256] head there.

[1257] Okay.

[1258] So you look a few feet above the target.

[1259] Yeah.

[1260] Find a spot.

[1261] Just allow yourself to spread your awareness.

[1262] Like there's also, there's another way of doing it where you can have your palms out like this, right?

[1263] And then when you bring your palms in and when you can see out, so you can see your own palms, you drop your hands.

[1264] So then you also put your hand over your head and then when you can see your fingers over your head, you drop that too.

[1265] Okay.

[1266] So you spread your arms out.

[1267] You can't see your arms.

[1268] And then you start bringing them in.

[1269] And then you start bringing and the moment you see your hands, you drop your hands.

[1270] But you keep your eyes forwards.

[1271] So you keep your eyes focused on whatever that spot is, over your head like that, and then when you see your fingers.

[1272] And the moment you drop it forward, then you let your hands down.

[1273] And what is going on when I'm doing that?

[1274] It's another focus point.

[1275] It just brings your awareness bigger.

[1276] It just makes your sight bigger.

[1277] So when you're in the periphery, you have a calmness about you.

[1278] And what is the philosophy when they talk about Hakalau?

[1279] What did you say the name of the, Huna?

[1280] Huna.

[1281] What is the thought process?

[1282] about Hakalow.

[1283] Is that part of their practice?

[1284] Yeah, it's part of their practice.

[1285] They do this thing with their arms?

[1286] Yes.

[1287] And well, no, there's loads of different ways of doing it.

[1288] I'm not aware if they do it with the hands.

[1289] I know, I just know techniques who have been taught or whatever.

[1290] But I know that, you know, the staring at the spot on the wall, allowing your periphery just to spread, yeah, it works.

[1291] And what is, why is it work?

[1292] Like, what's going on?

[1293] It calms you down.

[1294] It calms your mind.

[1295] And if you're focusing on something.

[1296] So if you're focusing on, I don't know, whatever you're shooting, right?

[1297] If you're looking at that and you've got this background shit going on, blah, blah, blah, blah, more than likely that's your focus.

[1298] It's not, that's not your focus, that is.

[1299] When you're pointing to your head for people to listen and you're saying blah, blah, blah, you mean like the internal doubt.

[1300] Yeah, the inner dialogue, the chatter.

[1301] Don't fuck this up, don't miss. You're going to miss. You're going to miss. Breathe properly, breathe properly.

[1302] And then when you get control of yourself by just focusing your awareness, which is your area to relax.

[1303] then you start then you just get yourself into a calm position so say if someone was in a hunting situation there's a deer right deer is moving to 30 yards away and it's it's moving right into what you would call like a shooting lane in between two trees how would you try to initiate hakalao there because you do hack allow before you started or you should practice it all the time when you practice yes when you practice it all the time it becomes a part of you it's like anything Mind coaching or being using the techniques I teach people is you've got to practice them, like everything.

[1304] You can't just, I'll just go hack allow and that's it.

[1305] And you have to practice it and practice it and practice it.

[1306] And it becomes it becomes more and more easy.

[1307] But this seems like such a simple solution to a very complex issue.

[1308] There's a lot of what is going on with archery is what's called.

[1309] There's a lot of different theories.

[1310] One of the theories is recoil bracing.

[1311] Like you know that something's going to happen.

[1312] so you're preparing for this thing to happen and then in preparing for that thing to happen, that is becoming more of your focus than actually making it work correctly.

[1313] Yeah, but it does calm you down.

[1314] So even in the aspects of shooting, I'm surely that, I don't know, we don't do it.

[1315] But I mean, surely it's calming down that you're aiming for, for aiming at something.

[1316] Right.

[1317] So.

[1318] But it's also being focused, completely focused on the result and not negative aspects of it.

[1319] It does focus your awareness.

[1320] Yeah.

[1321] The more that you do it, the more people do it inspiring as well they get less hit they get they get less hit inspiring i know uh there's a weightlifter called emma james that's uh things like a 20 old time world heavy lifting lady person and um she uses hackle -all and it works what does she do it's basically same thing mm -hmm it's focus and there are other methods other than the straightening your arms out and looking forward the best one my personal opinion you know people may argue it but you know My personal opinion is you see, you find a spot on the wall and allow your awareness just to spread.

[1322] So you imagine you can see all the way to the left and all the way to the right.

[1323] So if you're out in the woods, you pick a spot on a tree.

[1324] Yes.

[1325] Yeah.

[1326] And you keep practice it and keep doing it.

[1327] And you will eventually, you'll embed it.

[1328] So why is expanding your peripheral vision calming?

[1329] I don't know.

[1330] It just seems to calm the whole body down.

[1331] Again, you're not, you're focusing on.

[1332] spreading your awareness.

[1333] You're not focusing on panic or you're focusing on anything else.

[1334] So surely if you're just focusing on seeing and just moving out and allowing yourself just to spread, I'm doing it now.

[1335] Right.

[1336] You know, you can just feel it.

[1337] When I do seminars, which I do a lot of, is you're doing seminars, you're talking to people and this, this and this, you can spot people that are wandering mentally.

[1338] Right.

[1339] So you can see them, then you just turn and say, and you understand, and then just go, yeah, because you have to, you have to guide the audience.

[1340] You know, suddenly when you're doing comedy.

[1341] I think you do it anyway.

[1342] I think if you do it, you'll do it in comedy.

[1343] I think when you're on the stage, you'll do it in comedy anyway.

[1344] Because you become aware of everybody.

[1345] Sort of.

[1346] You definitely go into a state, though.

[1347] Yeah, exactly.

[1348] And that's what hacklow is.

[1349] It induces a state.

[1350] When you're doing comedy, you're in the moment, but you're also a passenger.

[1351] You know, to do comedy, you almost have to get out of your own way.

[1352] Yeah.

[1353] But you also have to have prepared.

[1354] paired the material enough to where you know where you're going with it so you can relax well think about think about archery then you know you have to get out of your own way right because the only person that's panicking is you yes the animal or whatever you're shooting is they don't even know you're there exactly right so it's exactly the same you're moving yourself out of the way to get yourself into the zone where you're going to do trust me just just try it and if you know I definitely will just there's that's an interesting uh solution to a really common issue with archers.

[1355] Like tournament archers, they panic so much that they've come up with a method of allowing this bow to go off without them doing it on purpose.

[1356] It's a surprise release.

[1357] That's a hypnosis.

[1358] That's a hypnotic thing.

[1359] Yeah.

[1360] They have this thing called a hinge release.

[1361] And what a hinge release is you clip it onto your bow and as you pull it back instead of hitting a trigger, you're slowly moving your hand and you never know when it's going to go off.

[1362] You're just slowly curling your finger.

[1363] and there's a little hinge inside of it.

[1364] And once it gets past a certain point, it just goes off.

[1365] So instead of, like, hammering the trigger, it goes off completely by surprise.

[1366] So they've figured out a solution to whatever, you know, this thing is that fucks with people's heads.

[1367] Yeah.

[1368] But what you think is that if you can do it in practice, you can do it in a real life situation.

[1369] If you expand your peripheral vision.

[1370] It's a feeling, isn't it?

[1371] You know, it's looking, you know, like we talk, when the last time I was on here, We talk about Golovkin.

[1372] He talks about feeling.

[1373] He listens to how he says about punches.

[1374] Yes.

[1375] He talks about, I feel this, I feel that.

[1376] He says feel all the time.

[1377] Yeah.

[1378] And he feels, he feels, I feel this, I know him, I feel.

[1379] It's an awareness.

[1380] Yeah.

[1381] It's expansion of awareness.

[1382] You know, in English, you know that when you flip the bird.

[1383] Mm -hmm.

[1384] In English, it's that.

[1385] It's two fingers.

[1386] Yeah, you know what it's from.

[1387] No. It's from when we had wars with the French, what the French, you know, they capture the archers, they cut the fingers off.

[1388] Oh, right.

[1389] So that's just to say, I feel if we'd talked about this before, yeah.

[1390] Yeah, but that's to do with the...

[1391] To say, fuck off, I've got my two fingers.

[1392] Yeah, I've got my two fingers, and that's from archery.

[1393] Yeah, that makes sense.

[1394] But it's an estate.

[1395] Do you know the Mongols didn't use it that way?

[1396] They used their thumb.

[1397] Right.

[1398] They hook it with their thumb, and then they grab their finger like this, and they pull it back that way.

[1399] Right.

[1400] They had their own little weird method.

[1401] Because you have a release in your hand.

[1402] Right.

[1403] You do it this way because you can get a consistent anchor point.

[1404] It sits right on your chin.

[1405] Is it true also when you, if you drop the bow, if you drop the bow the arrow drops Yes, most certainly I've heard that when you Yeah, you have to stay completely still as the arrow releases With me coming from Robin Hood country It's a natural thing for me Yeah, it's just It's a bunch of different kinds of bows There's a bunch of different ways of shooting Like when you're shooting with a recurve bow Or a traditional bow You're pulling it back and just letting it go Really quickly, bang With a compound bow You're settling in and relaxing And trying to stay calm and keep the pin relatively close to the area but concentrating on the spot and then you release and as you release it's got to be in one smooth motion where your hand pulls back as you do it so there's no yanking this way or pulling that way there's nothing that's going to affect the travel of the arrow yeah there's a lot of mind shit going on there's a level of self -trust isn't there with it oh yeah there's a big level of self -trust and that's in anything in sport or anything else it's a learning to trust yourself and trusting your trust in your mind you know and I just think that with with mind coaching stuff with techniques that you you know that you get to learn and get to to having your locker I think it's massively beneficial as you're aware yeah you will do that I mean if you you know I can always record you something and send you it you know before you go to this thing that you're doing and let's see what happens it'll be interesting for me to see what happens because I've never worked with anyone that's done archery yeah it is a it is a lot of preparation for one moment that might happen once a year yeah and that's one of the big things about it is like when someone prepares for like a bow hunt in particular at least a tournament you have multiple shots you can shoot many many times you get more relaxed but when someone prepares for a hunt you are preparing year round you're shooting arrows constantly it's it's it's an I can't believe how hard it is yeah I mean when I first started doing it I was like what's a big deal you stand there you keep your arm straight you pull the bow back no there's a lot going on and there's a There's so much to consider the position, the placement of your feet, the position of your front shoulder, how you're gripping the bow, pulling back to the same consistent anchor point, looking through the peep site correctly, make sure you center the peep site with the site housing and the bow, releasing with no movement whatsoever, making sure that everything is done perfectly, keeping the mind concentrating specifically on a spot.

[1406] You have to look where you want to hit.

[1407] You can't look in the vague area and you can't hope you're going to hit something.

[1408] You have to be absolutely convinced You're going to hit something Yeah, and you will And you will Look at you positive thinking, man Well, you will You will because that's your intention So if your intent Set your intention Set your intention, which is exactly the same Is it not?

[1409] Set your site on writing This is what I'm going to do Set your site on your intention Where you go and say This is what I'm going to do, set your intention Yeah And that is a big part of why people fuck up They go, I hope this works Yeah, I'll try The older even said that Didn't you know play strike it's pat do or do not there is no try you know you you set your intention i know it's cliche but you you know you set your intention well a lot of times clichés are there for a reason that they're they're real they they represent reality yeah yeah and i think in this one it does it's um it's just an extreme thing and it's also a thing of this archery thing and bohunting in particular where a lot of people who are engaging in it they might not have a lot of experience in performing under extreme pressure yeah so you don't have a lot of opportunities where you're performing under extreme extreme pressure and then you have an incredibly intense moment where it's literally life or death to this animal yeah yeah but I always want we'll talk and we'll talk because it only to change your language around it to give you more of a more of a you know because it is complicated I get that but we've got to make it as less complicated as we can so it's so it's there's a smoother thing well it's complicated but it's not complicated like the English language You know, the English language is unbelievably complex, thousands of letters and, I mean, thousands of words, and you're using them all in different ways and inflection, and we all do that effortlessly.

[1410] Yeah, so I think you can, you know, with doing the techniques and helping you out, I certainly will because, you know, you're a very nice man. Thank you.

[1411] I'll give you credit for sure.

[1412] Well, thank you.

[1413] Well, I want you to see.

[1414] I want to, I really wanted to talk to you about this because I've seen all these different methods that people use to try to overcome target panic.

[1415] And one of them is this positive affirmation or positive way of looking at it.

[1416] Like my friend Shane Dorian was here and he was talking about his friend and that his friend right before he goes to shoot the arrow.

[1417] And he said his friend's a really nice guy.

[1418] His friend says, I'm going to fucking kill you.

[1419] That's what he says in his head.

[1420] I'm going to fucking kill you.

[1421] Like he says that in his head.

[1422] So he's absolutely convinced this is what he's going to do.

[1423] it's not I hope this arrow lands perfectly I hope I make a great shot he affirms it in his head where there's no wishy -washiness about it well it's set an intention yeah he's set an intention and I'm he's personal to you remember we was talking before and you said you you you you and it said when you change the language around when he changed the language around anything it becomes it becomes more useful to you you know but it's again it's that is a that is a yeah it's an affirmation but it's also setting your intention and in every way if you think about it Shooting that bow is setting your intention in every single way, isn't it?

[1424] Because your intention is the beast, if you will, and you're setting your intention, so you've got to calm this.

[1425] Yeah, we'll get it.

[1426] We'll get it.

[1427] Well, I would really like to see if this is effective or if it helps other archers, because that's one of the things of me getting involved in bow hunting, I've been exposed to this common problem that people talk about.

[1428] And I'm absolutely fascinated by common problems.

[1429] Yeah.

[1430] Problems that seem to represent a pattern of thinking that's really almost natural, but obviously should be avoided.

[1431] Yeah.

[1432] Yeah, exactly.

[1433] And it's just about you focusing your attention on what you want.

[1434] That's how you get things in life.

[1435] You focus on what you want, not what you don't want.

[1436] You focus on totally and you will get things that will trip you up.

[1437] We don't live on a cloud.

[1438] and never never never say that what you do is you focus on what you want and you keep focusing on what you want and deal with things that are getting your way but keep focusing on what you want that's the idea that's the idea don't focus on the problems focus on what you're difficult it is and this problem and how difficult this is and how hard this is because all you're telling you're you're you're all you're doing you're unconscious then the only information you're giving it's how hard it is right so then what does it become it becomes something that becomes something huge and this comes back to what we're talking about the very beginning of this podcast the language they that you use in your own mind can be very self -defining and can sort of really not just define you, but define your future and how you interact with life.

[1439] Yep, and how you interact with people, how you interact, how you get, or you come across and how you perceive yourself and how you project everything into what happens, you know?

[1440] And I think that's the idea of this, this is just changing the language the way you speak to yourself.

[1441] If you can change the language, ways you speak yourself your life will change exponentially that's my change the language folks change the language and obviously this is also it's not an instantaneous process right it's practice you know you the first time you did spinning back kit you didn't land on the target and was brilliant like i've well seen you wellie in that bag wellyans another british term wellie wellying what is that oh way wellie wellie wellie is a welling i don't know it's just a slang term for kicking very hard, wellie.

[1442] When you're wellie something, you're kicking it.

[1443] Because, you know, Wellington boots.

[1444] Oh, okay.

[1445] So, yeah.

[1446] But when I've seen you, you know, the first, you know, I've seen your spinning back kick.

[1447] You're showing John St. Pierre, George St. Pierre.

[1448] Yeah, that was right.

[1449] You know, so the first time you did that, you didn't do it correctly.

[1450] Right.

[1451] You know, but it's all about practice.

[1452] Mind God, isn't an instantaneous thing.

[1453] For phobias, yes.

[1454] You know, it works for phobias.

[1455] But, I mean, for certain things in life, you've got to keep doing.

[1456] it's just light his thing he's practice yeah you know yeah and that's the case with everything including thinking yeah like thinking is a skill yes and thinking is something that you have to develop and develop proper technique yep and adhere to these proper techniques always yes that's why i don't do one -offs i used to do one -off sessions what do you mean by one -off sessions for people like one -to -ones and do a session one session i don't do one anymore I do more, I do think, all four weeks to freedom, or they have people that sign up for a year with me as well, because it's an ongoing process.

[1457] I still have a, my teacher, Colin Mackay, I still, I still, you know, ruminate things, and he puts my thinking on the right path or whatever.

[1458] It's, no one's, we're not a finished product, certainly not a finished product, you know, but it's just about practice.

[1459] That's really what's important.

[1460] Like, people will try to point out inconsistencies in someone's behavior as a sign that maybe that person shouldn't be the one that's being a mental coach like yourself or someone who has maybe not succeeded in everything they've ever tried, how could this person possibly be a mental coach when they're not even capable of running their own life?

[1461] But no, every human being is essentially the same in that regard.

[1462] Is that no matter where you are, you can probably do better.

[1463] And no matter who you are, you have learned along the way a lot of it by failure.

[1464] Yeah.

[1465] I'm going back to Lomachenko as well, because I'm a massive fanboy.

[1466] Because he does things that...

[1467] I think he'll change the face of boxing.

[1468] I really do.

[1469] Why do you think that?

[1470] Have you seen what he does?

[1471] He does like the Schult test.

[1472] Have he seen that where he does the different numbers?

[1473] Where he's like...

[1474] He's a Schult test where you have one to 25 and they're all in different...

[1475] A square.

[1476] And then all the numbers are in squares as well and he has to touch them.

[1477] Oh, I see what you're saying.

[1478] He does loads of different mind stuff.

[1479] Is it a reaction drill?

[1480] Yeah, but he's building his awareness.

[1481] He's building his intelligence.

[1482] That's why he's called himself high -tech.

[1483] He's building his intelligence.

[1484] He's building his awareness.

[1485] He said in his next fight, he's not going to get hit.

[1486] He's aiming not to get hit.

[1487] But what happens when he gets hit?

[1488] Yeah, but he's going to go out, fuck.

[1489] Well, the thing he's got, he's got a mind coach.

[1490] He's got a mind coach.

[1491] And when he lost to Salido, when he got, the weight was wrong, and he got punched in the balls and all that sort of stuff.

[1492] And Salido just outproed him, really, I guess.

[1493] Yeah.

[1494] He's too heavy, this, this and this.

[1495] But he didn't dwell on that.

[1496] He went back straight away, beat Gary Russell.

[1497] he's a great fighter too and because he didn't dwell on it and because he had a mind coach saying look control your emotions me and Brian Dolberry have come to we're talking about I read about it that he was saying that his mind coach got him to not focus to control his emotions and that's what it's about is controlling your emotions controlling your controlling you because you are your emotions after all and just you know getting through what other people wouldn't and he isn't he fighting Salido in a rematch isn't that?

[1498] I think it's muted but I've heard also that he's going to move up to lightweight and fight Manchester's Terry Flanagan for the WBO title next year.

[1499] Interesting.

[1500] But he's amazing.

[1501] I've never seen anyone do what he does.

[1502] Penal Whittaker was very good.

[1503] Roy Jones was very good, but he just seems to glide around people and just seems to know what you're going to do before you do.

[1504] He's exceptional.

[1505] What's exceptional about him is that he's not outside, he's inside and he's not getting hit.

[1506] That's one of the most impressive things about him is that he stays in the pocket and yet he somehow uh is so slick and so so well schooled andre was like that his father as well right yeah yeah a lot of people were disappointed in andre ward's performance on saturday night um i think the opponent had a lot to do with it um i think against i think against cover level it'll be very very interesting yeah well what's here's lomenchenko like standing right in front of this dude just beautiful counters man it's just so crazy like like he's just not there when The guy goes to hit him.

[1507] He's insane how good he is.

[1508] He's so aware, though, it's his awareness.

[1509] His awareness is so perfect.

[1510] His distance and his timing.

[1511] And what did he fight for a world title fight in his second pro fight?

[1512] Yes.

[1513] That's insane.

[1514] And he's won two worlds out of the different ways in seven fights.

[1515] He's just so good.

[1516] His movement is so incredible.

[1517] You know, you see a guy like Lomenchenko and you see Ganada Golofkin and Kovalev and you go, God damn, these Russians are bad mother.

[1518] the fuckers.

[1519] Well, they've had mind coaches.

[1520] All of them.

[1521] All of them?

[1522] Yeah.

[1523] Even the Russians used were the first people to start using, you know, mental coaches and stuff.

[1524] This is footwork is insane.

[1525] And that, again, like, what's insane about it is he's right in front of the guy.

[1526] And yet he's so elusive with his footwork.

[1527] Look at that.

[1528] Step to the right and uppercut.

[1529] Step to the left uppercut.

[1530] Just, God damn, he's good.

[1531] And he pulls the hands as well.

[1532] He pulls the hands down and throws a hook.

[1533] Oh, yeah.

[1534] Yeah.

[1535] He's really good at that.

[1536] He's a freak.

[1537] He's a real freak.

[1538] And so these Russians, that's the way they school their amateurs.

[1539] They give them a lot of mind coaching.

[1540] Yeah, they do.

[1541] Lomachenko also was doing gymnastics and ballet.

[1542] Fucking ballet.

[1543] Ballet's coming up again, isn't it?

[1544] The old turmeric.

[1545] I'll get Vasi or some turmeric.

[1546] And so, well, I would think that that would help because just the ability to control your body, gymnastics in particular, is fantastic for that.

[1547] The ability, like, Hicks and Gracie famously was into yoga, and he was into this very specific type of yoga that's very gymnastics oriented.

[1548] It's gymnastic on natural aisle.

[1549] And there's a lot of like flexibility and movement.

[1550] It's more of like a flowing type of yoga thing.

[1551] Vinyasa's the call, aren't they, the movements of vinyasa.

[1552] And those flowing type movements are one of the reasons why he was so good at jiu -jitsu is because his ability to control his body, was like truly exceptional he had an very unusual ability to control his body again it's awareness mm -hmm it comes back to awareness doesn't it it's also strength in weird motions yoga is a big part of that too he was he was also a yogi and not just gymnastics and natural but like regular yoga he could do just he had incredible flexibility standing on a balance beam standing in a full split holding his foot above his head you know and he's 200 pounds and he's fighting professionally in valley tuto events yeah you see it's all it's all my and body connection is it's getting you in conjunction with that and strength and conditions are great as well there's loads of stuff now that's making can make athletes like incredibly incredibly uh successful i love lama chan lomachenko mad galovkin mad he's fighting kellbrook soon in england september 10th yeah in london apparently um they they don't have 30 -day weighing thing and calbrook's heavier than heavier right now than triple g yeah it'd be good good luck with all that who gives a shit if he's heavier yeah I know you get lit up son I know but I really well because he's English triple G no he's from the north as well yeah I like the English guy yeah I like him whether he wins or not well he's not easy he's a professional boxer and he's excellent Gunna de Glefkin's something special he's uh there's something his body attack is fucking ruthless too man that left hook to the liver he throws yeah good lord and the way he cuts the ring down And I just like him as a person.

[1553] He's not the most, you know, the most sparkling personality ever.

[1554] But, I mean, I just like him the way he says, I respect, he's old school.

[1555] I respect him and blah, blah, blah.

[1556] What's interesting about him to me is that he's so boyish and cute looking.

[1557] But he's a fucking killer.

[1558] Yeah.

[1559] I mean, you look at the guy.

[1560] He's like, and he's like, I bring big drama fight.

[1561] Yeah, big drama show.

[1562] Big drama show.

[1563] Yeah, it's so strange.

[1564] He's very, very special.

[1565] Yeah, he is.

[1566] He is.

[1567] Well, so is Kovalev.

[1568] And that's why the Andre Ward fight becomes so intriguing.

[1569] Because if he fights the way, if Andre Ward fights the way he fought on Saturday night, he's going to have a real hard time with Kovalev.

[1570] Well, you see, Kovalev's last fight against Chalamba.

[1571] He didn't look all that, but Chalember again.

[1572] But he was fighting in Russia.

[1573] There was a lot of pressure on him as well.

[1574] You know, I mean, Chalember's hard to fight.

[1575] I mean, Tony Bellew fought him twice from England's now the WBC Cruiserweight champion from Liverpool.

[1576] but chilemba was the only guy to go to the distance except hopkins right in recent fights in recent fights yeah yeah i mean and it's a good i think he drops him in round seven i think ward will fight it on the inside i don't think he'll fight it on the outside i think he'll fight similar to the way you fought froch i think that's that would be the plan but great fight of man very interesting very very interesting fight what i like about ward is his intelligence he's so smart and you hear it when he does commentary.

[1577] He's so aware and he fights so smart.

[1578] He just a very clever guy and everything he does.

[1579] He makes it awkward.

[1580] He fights different almost every fight.

[1581] Sometimes he fights in the outside.

[1582] Sometimes he sticks to you like glue.

[1583] He's a very interesting fighter.

[1584] I've seen Jim Lampley asking him questions and I think his dad was an addict sort of some sort.

[1585] He died really early.

[1586] I think died at 46 and his mum was a former drug addicts and Jim Lampley asked him about and you could see him like well up and you know he started you know he's done this to start crying and stuff and he's come through shit you know so you know when he's he stuck where he wants listen nothing but respect for him man he's amazing and he seems and I've not met him I'd like to a very very nice man yeah it seems like a very nice guy decent human being when he thought Berera the last time when he thought um well the second name no his first name was Beret second name was Berera at one point where he caught the jab he threw a jab caught the jab for a right hand left hook slipped on wow I mean he was just like, he was dancing.

[1587] He's like he rehearsed it.

[1588] He's fabulous fighter.

[1589] Hakalau.

[1590] Hakalau, indeed.

[1591] Hackalow indeed.

[1592] Are there any other methods of trying to expand your peripheral?

[1593] It's basically practice.

[1594] Just practice.

[1595] So it's just something that you have to be aware of the closing of the peripheral is also a tightening of you and not good.

[1596] I would say so.

[1597] But you can still focus.

[1598] Even with the expanded peripheral, you can still focus on the task at hand.

[1599] Yes, you do focus on the task in hand.

[1600] It is still focusing on the task in hand.

[1601] Driving's the same, isn't it?

[1602] I mean, if you only was just driving and just look forward, you know, you wouldn't see anything coming from a junction or, you know, you're still looking in the rear view mirror, don't you?

[1603] Even though you're not really going to get, you're not going to get, it's more often than not, you're not going to hit them behind unless you're stopped, you know?

[1604] Yeah, that's the, the stereotype.

[1605] type about Asians being bad drivers.

[1606] A friend of mine who's Asian tried to tell me that the reason for that is their culture when they're in Asia, especially in China, nobody looks to the left and looks to the right.

[1607] It's like traditional to look straight ahead and, you know, to mind your own business.

[1608] Don't be staring.

[1609] Don't look off to the left.

[1610] And also they run into each other.

[1611] Like if you ever been on the streets of China, apparently, according to ARI, people just bump into everybody.

[1612] They just bump into each other.

[1613] They're just so used to it.

[1614] It's not a rudeness thing.

[1615] Right.

[1616] It's just that's normal to them.

[1617] So when they get in their cars, they kind of do the same thing.

[1618] They look straight ahead.

[1619] They don't look to the left.

[1620] Don't look to the right and just plow ahead.

[1621] It was not good for driving, obviously.

[1622] I was in Hong Kong, and I was trying to get a flight to, it was with K -1, it was a disaster.

[1623] But I was trying to get to flight from Hong Kong to Gung Chow, this place.

[1624] And I was still at the desk explaining that I had to get this flight quick.

[1625] I was running through the, I felt like it was in Taken.

[1626] I was running about that much.

[1627] And the Chinese, just people were barging in front of you.

[1628] God, you know, just it was like, I don't know, and then Jeremy Lynn, this kid who I know who lives in Hong Kong, he was saying that the mainland Chinese are miles different than the people from Hong Kong.

[1629] You have a different sort of, you know, values and culture and different sort of...

[1630] Well, Hong Kong was a British empire, right?

[1631] It was till 1990, yeah.

[1632] That's ridiculous.

[1633] Why did they give it back?

[1634] I don't know.

[1635] Fuck the fuck is that.

[1636] I know all toys are made in Hong Kong, aren't they?

[1637] I don't know, are they?

[1638] Great, yeah, well, it used to be.

[1639] That's another funny thing that English people do.

[1640] You'll say something and you ask a question.

[1641] He's doing great, isn't he?

[1642] Yeah.

[1643] The Welsh do it.

[1644] It's Welsh.

[1645] Is it a Welsh thing?

[1646] Yeah, the Welsh do that.

[1647] I noticed you used to do that a lot.

[1648] Well, you still do in commentary.

[1649] You'll say something very complimentary and then you say, isn't he?

[1650] Yeah, you see, isn't he?

[1651] And that's just getting an agreement.

[1652] Yeah.

[1653] Unless it's with Julie Kitchen, who will come and say it with a lot, or Gavin Sterrett, who would take with on Yocco.

[1654] You know, I'm asking them.

[1655] Probably because I need the assurance, because I'm insecure.

[1656] It's an insecure thing.

[1657] It's a blanket that I need.

[1658] Well, that's, again, going back to what we're talking about, like language defining things.

[1659] It's like you're defining the fact that even though you are observing things, you are, you're being conversational about it, and you're not being, you know, you're not like the authoritarian.

[1660] You're not like the authority of all information that's being passed here.

[1661] You're looking for a consensus.

[1662] Yeah, of course.

[1663] When you commentate, and I know, my commentary is you've got to be colorful with your language.

[1664] You've got to engage the audience to drag them into something just in a fight.

[1665] Right.

[1666] You know, you've got to, you've got to, well, I'm a bit more spectacular anyway because I'm a bit hyper, aren't I?

[1667] I'm a bit, sort of, you know, I'm a bit squeaky.

[1668] But, um, me, me, me, me, me, I'm like, beaker off, I feel like beaker off the Muppets.

[1669] But it's like, you know, you have to drag the audience in.

[1670] And I think it's, it's.

[1671] Chevello's great at that.

[1672] Chevello's great.

[1673] Yeah.

[1674] He's got a fantastic.

[1675] Yeah.

[1676] Like a whole litany of phrases that he loves to use.

[1677] And he makes you jump.

[1678] Yeah.

[1679] So he makes it, he makes you jump as well.

[1680] So, I mean, he'll say stuff that's on his mind like swearing and...

[1681] Yeah, for people to know we're talking, we're talking about my friend Michael Chavelle, who does commentary for Access TV.

[1682] He does Lion Fight, which is the premier organization in the United States, at least, for Muay Thai.

[1683] In the rest of the world, it's Yoko.

[1684] Yaka, yeah.

[1685] He's October the 6th.

[1686] Liam Harrison fights Fabio Pinker So that is the Connor McGregor and the Diaz for us Yeah, it's to me stunning that Moitai isn't more popular worldwide but boxing is Moitai is so much more exciting than boxing There's so many more variables It's so many more ways to win It's so much more effective And it's just brilliant to watch When you watch a guy like San Chai Or Jodzanklai or all the greats You watch these guys fight and the artistry and the beautiful techniques and moves and also the excitement, the excitement of Muay.

[1687] It's just so spectacular.

[1688] Yeah, I mean, Sanchai's hackal are all over.

[1689] But it's like, you know, with Liam, who I'm a massive, everyone knows him, a big fanboy of Liam, you know, he brings a storm.

[1690] He never leaves anything behind.

[1691] He brings a storm.

[1692] And October 6th is going to be wicked.

[1693] Yeah.

[1694] I'm sweating.

[1695] The hands start sweating and all sorts.

[1696] I'm so childish.

[1697] Yeah.

[1698] I really do need to grow up and get a proper job.

[1699] No, you don't.

[1700] Um, San Chai is interesting too because he's, he's really light on his feet.

[1701] Yeah.

[1702] He fights different than most ties.

[1703] Like he fights on the balls of the feet almost exclusively.

[1704] Utilize a lot of front leg sidekicks.

[1705] Like sort of a half, it's like half teep kick, half front leg sidekick.

[1706] Keeps you off balance a lot.

[1707] Well, it's Mui Baran, isn't it?

[1708] I mean, Sanchai, I think, was trained originally by a guy called Somrock Kamsing, who won an Olympic gold medal as well.

[1709] And he's got a very flamboyant technique.

[1710] He's amazing, skilled.

[1711] Is that the guy that was supposed to fight Jean -Claude Van Nu?

[1712] Yeah, that's the one in Las Vegas.

[1713] Yeah, him.

[1714] That was never going to happen, right?

[1715] No. And he was, he's so, again, he's aware, but he's rock hard as well.

[1716] I mean, you think he's always just messing about, but he's rock.

[1717] I mean, I remember watching, again, watching him, Liam, and Liam smashed his front leg to bits, and he just said, I can't, you know, as well, kicking him as hard as a cut.

[1718] And he's just still, he's a, yeah, he's a very special.

[1719] He's 30, I think he's 36 now, as well.

[1720] Yeah, he's not, he's not getting any younger.

[1721] He just got involved in MMA.

[1722] He's been training, there's some videos of him, like, doing arm bars and stuff.

[1723] Yeah, I've seen that.

[1724] Yeah.

[1725] It's interesting because you go to wonder, like, if that's what he's deciding to do.

[1726] And he fights all the time.

[1727] Yeah.

[1728] That's the other thing, like, I follow him on Instagram, and San Chai, have this thing, like about to fight, smile, smile, fist, you know, of a bicep, little emojis.

[1729] September the 11th in England.

[1730] Is he funny?

[1731] One again, mentioned in Kerry Kettle.

[1732] He's training in Idris Albert.

[1733] Charlie Peters, he's fighting Charlie.

[1734] Well, he fights, you know, at least six times a year.

[1735] Yeah, easy.

[1736] Easy.

[1737] Easy.

[1738] He's fought on glory, didn't he, in Amsterdam?

[1739] Yeah, he did.

[1740] And he won.

[1741] And that's kickboxing rules, without the clench, without elbows.

[1742] which is it's interesting that they chose those rules I'm not a big fan of that I'm a big fan of the organization but I like elbows I think elbows are I mean look if you can kick some in the head why can't you elbow them it's very effective we're talking about Muay why why limit it you know why allow like leg kicks knees to the head head kicks but don't allow elbows that seems to me to be a little weird I think the one thing that keeps Mui Tai back is the traditional side of it which I love, I love it.

[1743] Like the Y crew?

[1744] The Y crew, the Monkon on the head.

[1745] How does that hold it back, though?

[1746] Well, because people are, I, this is my opinion, I may be wrong.

[1747] But it's like, you know, people sit there and they get the beer or whatever, and they come in and they watch the fights, and then they just say, what's that on his head?

[1748] Well, you're a fan of martial arts, so you're not going to really see what they see.

[1749] But I can see it from, you know, what's how it's got in his head for?

[1750] And what's that music?

[1751] Why are they dancing?

[1752] Blah, blah, blah.

[1753] The dance is odd.

[1754] And also the music while they're actually fighting is a little odd.

[1755] Well, if you watched it, you wouldn't hear it.

[1756] I don't hear it.

[1757] I don't listen, you know, and if you listen for it, you obviously hear it because that's your focus.

[1758] But I love it.

[1759] And there's some great fighters coming through in England and everywhere else.

[1760] And great things happening with the World Thai Boxing Council, at World Thai Boxing Association at Brian Dobler's involved.

[1761] Loads of stuff coming through.

[1762] She's good.

[1763] Yocow and, you know, like you said, Lion Fight.

[1764] I'man Barlow, who's one of my friends.

[1765] She's fighting on Lion Fight.

[1766] She's amazing.

[1767] She's fighting.

[1768] So Chevaloa will love her.

[1769] Yeah, I'm just happy that Lion Fight again.

[1770] exists because it seems like there's so few organizations that are showing high -level Muay Thai in the United States.

[1771] I mean, if it wasn't for Mark Cuban's Access TV, it's like there's not any other options.

[1772] Yeah.

[1773] Some good fight is Gaston Balanos.

[1774] Very good.

[1775] I like him.

[1776] He's great.

[1777] He's only had a few fights.

[1778] He's rock hard.

[1779] I think he's six in one.

[1780] He lost one fight and it was a very highly disputed decision loss.

[1781] Against the tie, can't.

[1782] Yeah.

[1783] But I thought he won that fight.

[1784] Well, um, it's difficult.

[1785] I've watched it once and it's close I'd have to watch it again to really sort of analyze it but I like his style I like it he comes for us fight and he's only had a few fights I think hopefully he'll be fighting he'll fight in England soon enough yeah and of course Kevin Ross who you said before very fun glad to watch too yeah he's highly skilled and Zoila Frausto is fighting in glory and he's Kevin Ross is also fighting in Bellator kickboxing too right yeah he's just seen his last one He's still a little bit Muay Thai.

[1786] It's very difficult to fight that style, but obviously he's with a good gym, so they'll transition that.

[1787] Isn't it funny that to most people that looks like the same thing?

[1788] They're looking at it like, what's the difference?

[1789] Yeah.

[1790] You know, but the clinch is a big factor and the elbows are a big factor.

[1791] Yeah, the stance as well, the pace, the stance.

[1792] You know, Georgia Petrosian fights Muay style, but he can adapt it to the rules very well because of his boxing skill.

[1793] What does Georgia O 'O.

[1794] to now he's fighting soon in bellator i don't know where because he had that one devastating loss to andy ristie andy he's amazing protossian up close i've never seen anybody like that just slips shots and just lands and when he hits when he lands with his counters they're not they're not soft right they're like whack and you know you're in a position where you can't hit him and he can hit you he's just poetry in motion is absolutely superb he's interesting too because he's not like some physical specimen or anything like that.

[1795] It's just an average guy, but just a very intelligent approach to fighting.

[1796] Hackalow.

[1797] Yeah, hackleau.

[1798] His eyesight, I mean, his hackla, but his eyesight is because he's so focused on what he does.

[1799] And even if you watch, he's training everything is specific, he's a Southpour as well, which you can't limit the shots of what you can hit a South Pole with, you know, or a Southwkin at you with.

[1800] And he's just got that down to a fine art. And so is Vasile.

[1801] He says, they've got that to a fine art, the counter that you're going to throw the they've seen it lots and lots of times whereas if you haven't sparrow with a lot of Southpaws and spent time with him then it is difficult for you to adjust to that you know.

[1802] It's why Cubans you have so many Southpaws because of the style's difficult to contend with sometimes.

[1803] Yeah it is funny that more people don't do it.

[1804] They don't compete as a Southpaw and there's a lot of teachers that are starting to teach like Manuel Stewart was doing that towards his end days was teaching guys to fight with their strong hand forward so he's taking right handers and having to fight south paw yeah yeah well cotto's a left handed orthodox delahoeia is a left -handed orthodox yeah delahoyer's left -handed but he would fight in an orthodox stand so he'd have his left arm which is his dominant hand forward andre ward yeah he's left -handed yeah yeah but i don't know whether vassilomachenko's right -handed or not it's interesting though isn't it to make that decision to use your dominant hand as your front hand when everybody else uses it as the power hand the back hand yeah but it's it's i mean i don't know it feels a bit but then again it would feel weird if you don't do it it's just like anything it's practice everything feels weird remember the first time you try to throw a left hook you're like what yeah i'm a south power anyway i'm left -handed anyway so are you okay yeah so it's it's always been it's always been a right hook first and that yeah but i remember first time throwing a hook thinking like what a bizarre way to generate power just now it's a second nature and now it just feels like you just tap -pah you know just just your body just moves that way yeah you just like i think john wayne par's left -handed is he um because you watch when he ever he does he's like he's left kick but he trained with sanctieng noi uh for many years and sanktian no is a left kick but john way and par's got a great left kick yeah we're slowly starting to see real high -level moiety fighters compete in m -mama and really more so in women's ms yeah and i mean we have a lot high -level people in men's MMA, of course, but in women's MMA, you want a Yonjeika?

[1805] You want a young, uh, what am I not saying her name right?

[1806] Yuana Yon, Yon Jacechik.

[1807] Why am I saying it wrong, though?

[1808] Yon Jetschik.

[1809] Is she the Polish, though?

[1810] Yon Jetschik.

[1811] She's Polish.

[1812] But why am I saying it wrong?

[1813] It's one of those words we, if you don't, if you don't say it for a couple days, you go back to it and go, you want, everybody says Yohanna too.

[1814] It's actually Yohana.

[1815] I think I'm saying it right.

[1816] Feel awful.

[1817] It's so different between the way she says it.

[1818] She says it and you're like, ooh, I don't even know if I can make that noise in my face.

[1819] See, why questions things?

[1820] See, here's the thing.

[1821] When you look at it right there, first of all, what the fuck is going on with that E?

[1822] Why does that E have a goatee?

[1823] Like, that does not help me at all.

[1824] Like, if you pull up her name and you make me say her name, it doesn't help me at all.

[1825] But whatever, she's fucking awesome.

[1826] What she is, is she's really incredible.

[1827] Like her technique, her jab is just vicious.

[1828] She steps forward and blast that stiff jab on girls.

[1829] Her front kicks, her round kicks, her elbows when she's defending takedowns, her clinch work.

[1830] I mean, God, she's good.

[1831] She's so good.

[1832] She's one of the most technical strikers in any division.

[1833] And she's in women's MMA, of course, Valentina Shvchenko, of course, very, very, very.

[1834] accomplished Muay Thai fighter who's now fighting in women's MMA Yeah there's some good coach is coming through Brian Pope Joy as well from boxing works he's really good I watched him on pads the other day and he knows what he's doing he's a good he's a good with elbows and good with timing and all that sort of business what do you think that Moy Thai needs in order to become as popular in the United States as it is in other parts of a a chance a chance right a chance it's not it's not fun.

[1835] No, it's not, and it's not as if they've not got decent people with it.

[1836] I'm here because, well, I want to see Joe Schilling and E. McCall, obviously, come on here with you, which is brilliant, thanks very much.

[1837] But I've come to see Brian Dobler from Double Dozed Muay Thai, and he's full of, he's like a million miles an hour of everything.

[1838] Where's that?

[1839] In Fontana, in California.

[1840] And, you know, they have got the talent.

[1841] It's just their chance.

[1842] I actually don't know.

[1843] I think he's a lot of maybe politics involved or, you know, they're not getting the smokers have been banned you know the the like we call them into clubs they're banned everywhere uh they're band in california which is unfortunate yeah unfortunate because how are they going to get experience they're not but also they're not going to die no that's what people were worried about was some some people were being unethical and they're smokers they didn't have the proper medical staff on i think someone got hurt in an mMA smoker and i think they kind of polluted everything a bit like the sock.

[1844] People get hurt in the gym.

[1845] Yeah.

[1846] People get hurt in the gym all the time.

[1847] But I'd love it to have a chance.

[1848] I think it should be bigger in the United States.

[1849] And they need to commentate from England, by the way.

[1850] Yeah, I agree.

[1851] I really do think that it should be bigger in the United States.

[1852] And I do think that it's not like something that's different.

[1853] It's not like cricket.

[1854] Like, good luck selling that.

[1855] Yeah.

[1856] But it's something that's universally exciting.

[1857] I know you guys enjoy cricket.

[1858] I don't even know.

[1859] I don't even know what it means.

[1860] Good.

[1861] I don't even know anything about it.

[1862] Congratulations.

[1863] You made it this first.

[1864] our football or american football or baseball either but moitai is universally exciting if you watch it it's universally exciting and in my opinion it's one of the most effective combat sports like as itself as an individual unit yeah yorkal what i work for amazing and fusion that i work i'm very privileged to work for them too yeah you're doing with high level stuff i love it i mean and fusion have the best newcomers the you know the new kids on the block coming through they're amazing.

[1865] These Moroccans are rock hard.

[1866] And England, you know, with York, and Jordan Watson, Liam and Panicos and all the good guys that are coming through.

[1867] It's wicked.

[1868] I love it.

[1869] Listen, I hate to cut this off, but I got to get the fuck out of here.

[1870] But I really appreciate you coming down here again.

[1871] I love it.

[1872] Thank you very much.

[1873] I learn a lot every time I talk to you, and I think the people do as well.

[1874] And I appreciate the timeline therapy.

[1875] And if people want to get a hold of you, how do they do that?

[1876] Yeah, vignishoreman .com.

[1877] I can get me on Facebook or you can get me at Vinny Showtime.

[1878] I'm 69 on Twitter.

[1879] All right, ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much.

[1880] Vinnie Shorman.

[1881] Thanks, Joe.

[1882] Thanks, brother.