Carey Mulligan

[0] Welcome, welcome, welcome to armchair expert.

[1] I'm Dan Shepard.

[2] I'm joined by Monarchs of the Mousst.

[3] Hello there.

[4] How are you?

[5] I'm good.

[6] Me too.

[7] It's rainy here in L .A. And we like it.

[8] Well, I like it.

[9] I have seasonal affective disorder, sad.

[10] Yeah.

[11] But I'm enjoying it more than normal.

[12] Yeah.

[13] It's nice.

[14] You know what else is nice?

[15] Carrie Mulligan.

[16] She is.

[17] Oh, Carrie Mulligan.

[18] She's an Academy Award nominated actress, and she's talking to us.

[19] I've found in love with her in an education.

[20] Of course, she was in the Great Gatsby Wildlife.

[21] life, shame.

[22] Oh, that's my movie.

[23] Shame.

[24] That's your move.

[25] That's my move, too, to be shame -ridden.

[26] She has a great new film out called Promising Young Woman.

[27] There's already a ton of buzz about it.

[28] I know.

[29] I'm so excited to see it.

[30] I haven't seen yet, and I'm dying to.

[31] It's Paroxalones.

[32] Is that a term?

[33] Yeah.

[34] Okay.

[35] I love you.

[36] Please enjoy Carrie Mulligan.

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[39] How you doing?

[40] Oh, I'm so good.

[41] How are you?

[42] I'm all right.

[43] Yeah, I'm good.

[44] Thank you.

[45] Worry not, Monaco will be joining us shortly.

[46] Do you want to know what she's really doing?

[47] Yeah, tell me. She's making us machas from scratch inside.

[48] And I bet it was going a little long.

[49] longer than anticipated.

[50] Oh, that's so nice.

[51] Do you enjoy a macha?

[52] I very much enjoy a macha, but it's not really a thing here yet.

[53] The Brits are kind of slow on the uptake, so we haven't got the matcha thing.

[54] We've got oat milk, so I feel like we're edging towards matcha territory.

[55] It is off -brand for England to not have macha.

[56] Now, when I think of England, I think of tea.

[57] Well, tea, yeah, but tea that tastes like shit.

[58] That's our tea.

[59] We don't like interesting teas.

[60] But no, it's like very exotic to my family that I drink matcha.

[61] Yeah.

[62] They literally like never heard of it until like got a cup out.

[63] I'm going to change your whole life.

[64] This was just introduced to us over Christmas.

[65] Monica found it and she bought it for a friend, not for herself.

[66] We've since now all bought it for each other.

[67] It is a matcha machine and you put the actual leaves in the top.

[68] No. And then Carrie, it turns it into baby's breath.

[69] It's thinner than anything I can.

[70] describe.

[71] When you're watching it drop into the cup, you're just seeing a green mist.

[72] And then at the bottom of the cup, it's spinning the whole time.

[73] And it's mixing it perfectly.

[74] I've never in my life enjoyed a macho as much.

[75] So we're going to get you the info on that.

[76] Not a sponsor, just from bottom of my heart.

[77] Great.

[78] Great.

[79] Wow.

[80] We need these luxuries in this incredibly depressing times.

[81] Yeah.

[82] Do you think it's worse there?

[83] Thank you.

[84] I brought her up to speed about both that you were making a matcha and the new matcha machine that we need her to get.

[85] Yeah, sounds amazing.

[86] This may shock you, but macha is not a big thing over in London town.

[87] Well, we just talked to someone from London and they said they tried to order a mocha here, but they pronounced it maka.

[88] And accidentally ended up with a matcha.

[89] It was upset.

[90] Oh, and they were freaked out by the green tea.

[91] That's right.

[92] Yeah.

[93] We'll get there.

[94] I think after the lockdown, maybe we'll have a new matcha stage.

[95] But right now, you can just get a shot.

[96] a cup of tea and that's pretty much everything is closed have you spent most of quarantine in england all of it yeah yeah yeah at home in the country we went there like two weeks before official lockdown because the queue in the shop started getting really long and we were like ah this doesn't look good people are panic buying so we left and then we just never came back was there was there on toilet paper there as well yes there was insane yeah crazy i thought that was uniquely Yeah, because I never understood that.

[97] Just hop in the shower if you're out of toilet paper.

[98] You're not going anywhere.

[99] There you go.

[100] Right?

[101] Yeah, it was so weird.

[102] People went crazy.

[103] You couldn't get flour, pasta, toilet roll.

[104] Yeah.

[105] Now, flour and pasta, I kind of understand.

[106] You need to eat to survive.

[107] But again, you own a shower, hop in there and tidy up.

[108] Yeah.

[109] But that's a lot of pasta to store.

[110] No one needs that much pasta.

[111] So, yeah, I think that kind of happened again.

[112] a little bit last week when they announced this last lockdown, where everyone went and got toilet roll again.

[113] Now, in retrospect, do you wish you had quarantined summer sunny?

[114] No, we quarantined are the best time because we quarantined during lambing, because where we live is a working farm.

[115] So when we got there, like, lambs were arriving.

[116] And so we went straight into, like, feeding baby lambs.

[117] So it was a very good time to be in the country.

[118] And then we had this insane tropical summer where it was just hot for six months.

[119] in England and now it's miserable but you know it was like remarkably good weather for us so it was great now you are in a slightly worse situation than my wife and I because we have six and seven but man three and five in quarantine and you're here congratulations yeah thanks I'm really proud of myself oh my god just reading three and five sent a spike of panic in my body and that's in normal times when like my sister can watch the kids and I can go do something.

[120] But the idea of that age 24 -7 for 11 months is really something else.

[121] Yeah, like the weather was amazing.

[122] I just keep coming back to the weather.

[123] I was so thankful that it was sunny and we could just be outside.

[124] And we were so lucky to have space and not have to be in a city and like be surrounded by green fields.

[125] You know, I can't imagine having to do it in a urban space.

[126] But we felt very lucky.

[127] And actually, do you know, like we have kids, people always say, oh my goodness, it goes.

[128] by in like two seconds, you know, two minutes later, so I did think, like, you know, as nightmarish as this is, there is a window here that we get to soak up them being adorable and tiny and, you know.

[129] I couldn't agree more.

[130] I mean, I feel like it's such a crazy blessing.

[131] We've definitely spent more time with them this year than probably we would have cumulatively over the next two years.

[132] Yeah, yeah.

[133] But it does have its challenges in that.

[134] There's no time for you to recharge.

[135] Like, all the patients required for them.

[136] Generally, you get to go on a car ride and do a little recharge, you work, you get a recharge.

[137] Yeah, no, we've been just going to bed at like 8 .30, which feel, I don't know, that seems to have worked.

[138] I don't have for months.

[139] I sleep, like, really long hours.

[140] Now, I got to imagine, of the many pros and cons of it, one pro is you get to do a press tour just at home.

[141] Is that lovely?

[142] Look, I mean, this is how I've been all day.

[143] Us too, we just wear sweats every day.

[144] Yeah.

[145] It's amazing.

[146] Yeah, no, that part's nice.

[147] And all the travel that this would have entailed being off is great.

[148] It's such a champagne problem.

[149] For Emerald, our director, that's her first feature, and she's made this awesome film, and she's such a genius.

[150] And there's a part of me that just wanted to have, like, a thing that we could go to and wear outfits and have our photo taken together.

[151] And I cried in Sundance because we did, like, a photo together for Variety.

[152] It was like one of those portrait studios, and you go to a million portrait studios in, three days.

[153] And they and they got Emerald and I did a photo together and I sort of welled up because I was just so proud of her and started crying.

[154] And the poor photographer was sort of troubled by what was going on.

[155] There's a part of me that wishes that we had like a thing where I could stand next to her and celebrate her a bit.

[156] Yeah, that would be nice.

[157] But then inevitably, don't let me just remind you, you would be walking down the carpet and after you did like the top four outlets, you'd get to the questions where they're like, so -and -so just got accused a blank.

[158] What do you think about that.

[159] You're like, well, first of all, I'm just now hearing that for the first time.

[160] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[161] That's true.

[162] I don't miss that.

[163] I don't miss that.

[164] And I don't miss the sort of horrific fear of falling over and, you know, the worst stuff.

[165] But yeah, you're right.

[166] Well, because I think, I don't need to put me in.

[167] Scrap that.

[168] I cannot stand the whole trying to look handsome aspect of it.

[169] It's my least favorite part of anything.

[170] Just even opening the door I'm going to consider how I look when I look in the mirror is just a bad endeavor for me. My wife digs it.

[171] She gets the hair and makeup.

[172] There's a dress.

[173] She's excited to wear.

[174] she loves it.

[175] Do you enjoy that part of it?

[176] I enjoy the people part of it.

[177] I enjoy like the hair and makeup guys.

[178] I mean, I'd never thought I'd miss a junket.

[179] Sitting at home with your ringlight doing press on your own is so strange and not having anyone to, you know, when the journalist walks out the room and you can go, oh, he was weird.

[180] Oh, yeah.

[181] You know, like there's none of that.

[182] So you just don't get to decompress about any of it.

[183] And it's odd.

[184] I didn't interview before Christmas with someone.

[185] And I was sitting on my own in a room doing it.

[186] Then I guess I was doing the interview with a guy for like an hour.

[187] And at the end, I realized that the whole room and the ground floor of the house had gone dark.

[188] And it was just me sitting on my own with a ringlight talking to this guy.

[189] And I kind of lost track of what I was saying.

[190] And I just felt really.

[191] So it's weird.

[192] So I miss like, you know, I miss all the people in the junket and like the whole structure of it.

[193] It feels very comforting to me. That happened to us on Friday.

[194] We were interviewing a guy.

[195] He was in Barbados.

[196] And he showed as he flipped the computer around.

[197] It was sunset in Barbados.

[198] It was so gorgeous.

[199] and we were so envious.

[200] And then about 14 minutes later, I realized I cannot see this person anymore.

[201] Uh -huh.

[202] And he was just in pitch black.

[203] And then...

[204] Yeah, yeah.

[205] Oh, you've disappeared, but that's fine.

[206] Now, how far are you currently from where you grew up?

[207] A couple of hours.

[208] I was born in London.

[209] I moved to Germany when I was about three.

[210] Lived in Germany until I was seven or eight and then lived kind of outside of London.

[211] And then I moved back in.

[212] when I started working.

[213] Were you in Dusseldorf?

[214] I was, yeah.

[215] Okay, my mother fell in love with Dusseldorf on a trip there with a lover.

[216] And then when I was 16...

[217] No way.

[218] Yeah, this is the truth.

[219] And then when I was 16, I had this great desire to drive on the Autobahn, and she had a great desire to return to Dusseldorf.

[220] So we slam those two things together, and we went in.

[221] And what a lovely place.

[222] Isn't it?

[223] It's lovely.

[224] Yes.

[225] It's on the Rhine, maybe?

[226] Is it right on the Rhine?

[227] It is, yeah.

[228] We went to Hanover first.

[229] I guess we went to Dusseldorf when I was five or something.

[230] I went to the international school there.

[231] Yeah, it's lovely.

[232] Now, I'm super fascinated with Germans.

[233] I probably am more interested in them than any other group of folks because, well, in a nutshell, they're obsessed with poop, which I think is funny.

[234] But the level of cleanliness, organization, all that stuff, there's something unique about the culture.

[235] I was wondering if any of it rubbed off on you.

[236] I don't think so.

[237] I mean, I went to a kindergarten that was like a Rudolf Steiner kindergarten where we used to sort of wear flowers in our hair and, you know, it was like a treat to beat the dust out of the mats that we sat on on the floor.

[238] And then I went to school in Hanover.

[239] You know, we moved around a lot, but we were amongst expat community.

[240] You know, we were like all of our friends were, you know, in the military or whatever.

[241] We weren't.

[242] My dad's a hotel manager, but.

[243] Oh, I got questions about that.

[244] Don't you worry.

[245] Oh, about hotel.

[246] Yes, yes.

[247] I'm going to go right into it.

[248] So my grandparents own this very modest roadside motel where, you know, you can park your car right in front of the door.

[249] Colonial Motor Inn.

[250] I spent summers there.

[251] And I used to roam that place.

[252] And it was such a unique experience.

[253] Like I'd try to take apart the ice machine.

[254] Just so many memories of being kind of turned loose in a hotel.

[255] And I wondered, did you have access to the hotel your dad managed?

[256] Yeah, we did.

[257] I mean, when we were little, little, we used to.

[258] ride around in the laundry carts with the maids who were doing, you know, we'd sort of sit and they'd throw all the laundry on top of us and we'd get taken down into the big laundry room.

[259] And we used to go into rooms after people checked out and like, have a look around to see if they'd left anything behind.

[260] Of course.

[261] And once we've had a penknife, my brother opened it up and I tried to shut it and I shut it onto my finger.

[262] And then we weren't allowed to go sneaking in people's rooms anymore.

[263] But yeah, we kind of had a bit of free reign, you know, it was the 80s.

[264] Yeah, I'm going to ask a very morbid question.

[265] Trigger warning, my grandmother, my sweet, sweet Grandma Midge, found no less than four different dead bodies over their tenure of owning this hotel because, unbeknownst to me, people go to hotels to commit suicide because they don't want to ruin their home or if they're going to like, they consider their home.

[266] Well, I think they consider their family that they're going to leave the home.

[267] Behind you?

[268] So I guess I'm asking if your dad found any cadavers in his time.

[269] Do you know, I've never asked him, but now I'm going to call them up as soon as you finish and find out.

[270] He did tell me stories about burglaries, like robbers.

[271] You know, there was like a cat burglar when we lived in London and the Mayfair who would come in and steal jewelry from all the top floor, like fancy sweets and things like that.

[272] So there's that kind of stuff going on.

[273] And then mom and dad, they met working at a hotel.

[274] Is that accurate?

[275] Yeah.

[276] Yeah, in the Middle East.

[277] Oh, I can't remember if they were in Jordan or in Oman, but yeah, they met in the middle list.

[278] Okay, so here's something that I find a little bit inconsistent.

[279] So your father's job where he had the confidence to pick up and move to different countries and be, I don't know, it seems not very fearful.

[280] They had a huge fear and outspoken fear of you pursuing acting, right?

[281] Yeah, they did.

[282] But I think that's probably more to do with my dad.

[283] I left the country when he was like 16 and, you know, went to go and work in Germany.

[284] and worked his way up from the bottom.

[285] I mean, he started collecting glasses in a bar in an intercontinental hotel, and then, you know, he worked his way up to, like, running the joint.

[286] You know, there was a sort of element of them wanting me to kind of have a full, like, go to university and do all that stuff because, you know, my brother was on an academic path, and they just wanted me to have a safety net.

[287] Yeah.

[288] Sort of put all my eggs in one basket, which I get, you know, but at the time it felt like torture.

[289] But they also seem adventure.

[290] I mean, I understand the, oh, he chose a profession.

[291] You can start at the bottom, work your way up, and maybe he wanted that for you.

[292] But at the same time, there is an element of, like, romance and adventure to want to go.

[293] Totally.

[294] I mean, both of them.

[295] My mom came from, like, a tiny town in Wales and, like, yeah, ended up working in the Middle East and hotels.

[296] Yeah, I think it was just, you know, there wasn't a massive aversion to me doing it.

[297] It was just doing it when I was 18 or younger.

[298] They just wanted me to, like, have one thing that I could do that wasn't acting.

[299] To fall back on?

[300] Yeah, exactly, yeah.

[301] My mother had a similar desire.

[302] She said, I'll pay your rent if you go to college while you're in Los Angeles trying to be an actor.

[303] So my fallback plan was I got a degree in anthropology.

[304] And there's less people employed in anthropology than acting.

[305] Yeah, great.

[306] Yeah, I didn't have a fallback.

[307] That's the problem.

[308] There was nothing else I could have really done, which is the thing that I would say to people, like, you know, 18 -year -olds leaving school will write to me and say, you know, I want to act and my parents aren't, you know, and I know you were in this position.

[309] And so what would you advise?

[310] And my advice, when I have responded is like, just if there's literally anything else you can think you could be good at, we'll be happy doing.

[311] Like, do that.

[312] Don't.

[313] Okay.

[314] Okay.

[315] So when I read your history, one is I know that you went to a Kenneth Braunup play and then you wrote him a letter.

[316] Yeah.

[317] Oh, wow.

[318] I was, yeah, a real geek.

[319] Well, yeah.

[320] First of all, I was like, hmm, I've never written a letter like that.

[321] That's where we differ there a little bit.

[322] And then I guess his sister answered and said, he said, if that's what you want to do, go for it, right?

[323] But then you asked Julian Fellows, who was like lecturing at your school or something?

[324] And he said, do not.

[325] Well, yeah, he said have a very good fallback option.

[326] But it was him and his wife who introduced me to the casting director's assistant of Pride and Prejudice who auditioned me for Pride and Prejudice, and that was my first job.

[327] So they did facilitate me meeting the person who ended up giving me my first job.

[328] So I owe them a huge amount.

[329] But he did tell me to marry a banker.

[330] Yeah.

[331] Well, when I read the Kenneth response, I was like, oh, that's nice.

[332] I guess that's what I should say.

[333] And then when I read the fellows one, I was like, well, that's kind of mean.

[334] But then I'm so delighted to hear that you've taken the fellows approach where you're like, yeah, probably don't do it.

[335] I think so.

[336] I mean, I just think if I could think of something else that I could have done that would have made me happy, I would, you know, I just think that the stars that had to align for me to be able to get that one job that then meant that I got to.

[337] the next one and the next one, you know, it was just so remarkable.

[338] And I just, I knew so many actors, particularly in my 20s, that were just incredibly talented and could not get a job for love nor money.

[339] And I just think there is a huge amount of luck required.

[340] And you just don't want to be struggling nightmare.

[341] You could steal my advice, because I don't really want to encourage anyone to ruin their life.

[342] But I just say, yeah, if you want to do it by a Honda, because you're not going to want to have repair bills, it might take a very long time.

[343] It's true.

[344] Yeah, yeah, so you get a really dependent.

[345] Dependable car.

[346] That's step one.

[347] And sit and wait for luck to strike.

[348] Now, you getting Pride and Prejudice, I was watching clips of it today.

[349] And I just thought, and maybe this is my weird American point of view, but what a quintessential role for you to get as an English actress to be in period in those outfits, the whole nine yards.

[350] Did it feel a little bit like, well, there's no way that I just landed right here, my first thing?

[351] Yeah.

[352] Yeah.

[353] I was working in a pub when I was auditioning for it.

[354] I'd been a cleaner.

[355] I'd worked as a runner in a film studio for free.

[356] And I was working in a pub when I was in the audition process.

[357] And then suddenly I was going off to leave the pub to go and work on a film with Donald Sutherland and Brenda Leth and Judy Dench.

[358] And it was completely surreal that even years afterwards, like, you know, I was still thinking I couldn't believe that that was film that I was even in.

[359] But my first job, it was just insane.

[360] Yeah, I was watching it and I was like, they're on you a lot.

[361] Like, I was watching these scenes that I was like, there's a lot of options here.

[362] But I remember doing a scene, one of the first scenes that we shot was the scene with Judy Dench.

[363] And I had had real, really visceral dreams about working with Judy Dent when I was about 14.

[364] And I was such a nerd.

[365] I remember waking up from having a dream where I was working with Judy Dench and realizing that it was just a dream and being like genuinely emotional, that it wasn't real.

[366] And then all of a sudden I was 18 and I was in an actual scene.

[367] with her.

[368] And I remember Joe Wright, the director coming up to me after the first take of this scene where she kind of comes into the house and wakes us all up and we're all standing as a family, terrified of her.

[369] And he came over to me after the first take and said, what are you doing?

[370] And I was like, oh, what do you mean?

[371] You've got to actually move your face.

[372] You've got to react to her being there.

[373] You've got to do something.

[374] And I was just standing there like, couldn't get over it.

[375] When I was going through all the stuff you have done today, so much of it exists.

[376] In a movie industry that I'm so fearful is going away.

[377] The fact that you can go from that and you can end up in an education and get nominated for that and then you can take some time and then you can, through being so great, you can kind of plot out a future.

[378] And I'm wondering or I fear that the 20 -year -old Kerry Mulligan today, like, I don't know what that looks like.

[379] Do you think about that at all, how much it's changed?

[380] Or maybe do you feel like it hasn't?

[381] No, I think it has.

[382] I don't know what I would have done.

[383] If it was all happening now, I think it would be totally different.

[384] I think I had such a luxury of, well, kind of anonymity, I guess, in the first three or four years of my career, I was in the background, getting to work with amazing people, but not really being relied upon to be particularly good.

[385] You know, I was not mentioned in reviews or anything.

[386] I wasn't playing those parts, but I was consistently in shows with, like, extraordinary actors that I could just watch and then first thing I remember doing that was sort of any kind of weight on me was an episode of Doctor Who where the doctor I think it was David Tennant at the time but he wasn't really in the episode because they were shooting another episode at the same time so I was doing that and that was the first time I was like the lead in a thing and that felt very weighty and exciting but the first couple of years I did plays and I did TV things but I And, you know, front and center of any of them.

[387] But I think now people are just coming into this, the pressure on, you know, the privacy or image, the social media stuff.

[388] Like, none of that didn't even cross my radar.

[389] I remember Twitter starting.

[390] And someone's, you know, I had an ex -boyfriend who started a Twitter account and he was tweeting things.

[391] And I was like, what is this?

[392] Why?

[393] No one gives a shit.

[394] What are you doing this?

[395] I don't care.

[396] And I'm right here.

[397] And I still feel that way.

[398] But yeah, I think, oh, I don't know what I would have done.

[399] I would have found it hard to avoid that, I think.

[400] How was your ego during the periods where you were like eighth banana and you were kind of in the shadow of all these amazing people?

[401] Were you truly just grateful to be there?

[402] Or were you like, okay?

[403] Oh, I was so grateful to be there.

[404] I wasn't ready until it was already too late.

[405] I remember when I first time I saw her in education, it was the first time I'd, I guess, seen myself play the lead in anything apart from Doctor Who.

[406] and I rang my mother up crying and I watched it in LA and I rang her up in tears saying like it's so boring it's so boring my stupid face literally does nothing and my face just looks stupid and it's boring and everyone's going to hate it it's going to be a nightmare and I really don't want to go to Sundance and she was like I'm sure it's not that bad you know just go and just get through it and you'll be fine, come home and I had nightmares before I went to Sundance that they were going to chuck me out for being too boring You know, it was never like I got to a place where I was like, oh, no, I can do this.

[407] I didn't have any expectations for that film.

[408] So I felt lucky that I didn't go into that film with any kind of fear of messing it up because I didn't think anyone would ever see it.

[409] So it felt like a little university project or something.

[410] Did you learn anything from that?

[411] Did you learn like, oh, I guess I shouldn't trust my evaluation of myself?

[412] Gosh, you know, the only real thing that came out of that was the ability to not have to do everything that I didn't have to do all the jobs that came along because I'd worked pretty much without a break from about the age of 18 till 23 and was anxious if I didn't know exactly what the next job was two weeks before I wrapped the previous job.

[413] It was like, next one, next one.

[414] I did a play and a TV show at the same time once where I was doing the hypochondria at Moli Airplane in the evening and then in the daytime I was doing an episode of Miss Marple where I was Timothy Dalton's wife.

[415] And it was just nuts.

[416] You guys are the same age, right?

[417] Pretty much.

[418] He's terribly handsome.

[419] But it was a real game changer of just not having to take every job, just being able to sort of look out and take a minute.

[420] How did you navigate that in such a successful way?

[421] Because I had opportunities and I wanted money and I wanted all kinds of things and I was very bad at it.

[422] So how did you, how were you patient?

[423] How did you not fear like, oh shit, my moment's going to pass?

[424] How do you turn down, I don't know, a James Bond movie or whatever thing?

[425] things they throw your way at that point?

[426] I think I felt very kind of idealistic about my career and wanted to make things that would sort of be memorable and would matter.

[427] And my agent, who's one of the best people on the planet, she's called Tor Belfridge, and she's been my agent since I was 18.

[428] But when an education happened, she took me out for lunch.

[429] I think when I was shooting, never let me go.

[430] And she said, look, you're in this really rare moment in your career that you know, doesn't come up very often and it doesn't last particularly long, but you are in a moment where you can choose and you shouldn't take a part unless you can't bear the idea of anybody else doing it.

[431] That's a good barometer.

[432] Yeah.

[433] So that kind of became the benchmark.

[434] If I could sort of imagine another act of doing it and be okay with it, then I would say no. And that's not to say I wasn't fighting for stuff as well.

[435] Like I, you know, I auditioned for the Coen brothers and, you know, I auditioned for things over the years that I didn't get.

[436] So it's not like I've just been sitting, you know, I, Haguely picking and she'll be desperate for a job.

[437] No. No. Barring.

[438] Next.

[439] But, you know, it did give me, you know, space.

[440] And she always backs me doing plays, and she's always back to me doing tiny films that have no money that hardly anyone sees and, you know, that I love.

[441] So, you know, I've been lucky to have her because I think if I'd been represented by somebody else who wasn't quite so, she's always been rock solid on that, which is a real joy.

[442] Well, I want to talk about one of those movies that, potentially.

[443] Eventually no one was going to see, and I bet didn't have a huge budget, but it's in my top three of the last decade, for sure, is shame.

[444] I just couldn't love that movie more, probably because I'm a recovering addict, but what a fucking movie.

[445] I mean, my goodness, some of those scenes that seen with him in the apartment and the black woman, the way they get together, how it's just one shot.

[446] I'm like, oh, my God, that's the first time I've ever seen what sex in real life looks like.

[447] Like, that's it.

[448] They did it.

[449] And holy shit, I'd never seen it.

[450] There's so many awesome scenes.

[451] You playing chic, I want your love, that scene.

[452] I went out and downloaded that song afterwards and listened to it endlessly and wanted to be in that apartment.

[453] I just loved it.

[454] I loved it.

[455] I've only ever seen it once.

[456] And I thought it was, yeah, I mean, Steve McQueen's incredible.

[457] He's a genius.

[458] You know, I really do feel like he's in his own league as a filmmaker.

[459] So to get to work with him with nuts.

[460] And I begged him for that job.

[461] I mean, I wouldn't let him leave our meeting.

[462] I just wouldn't let him go.

[463] Getting to be a part of it was extraordinary.

[464] Getting to make it was like unlike anything I've done, you know, before or since.

[465] I would also imagine and I would just be guessing, but no, I had one experience like this, but the takes are so long.

[466] Like the takes are so long, it's just wide so often.

[467] Did you love that?

[468] I feel like you would just more and more and more and more forget what you're doing.

[469] I loved it.

[470] I mean, a lot of it was the way that we worked with the cinematographer because there was so much freedom in the way that we moved.

[471] And we plotted everything out, but ultimately we would just run.

[472] It felt like theatre.

[473] And we'd do a take.

[474] And then Steve would be like a wild cheerleading coach combo at the sidelines saying, like, that was fucking amazing, but let's do another one.

[475] Go back in.

[476] We just didn't want to stop.

[477] And it was cool because we were shooting, you know, the majority of it, all my scenes were shot in the evening.

[478] So we were shooting night shoots, which lent it this sort of weird, magical quality of like shooting a movie at night I always love.

[479] I'm the only person on set who's thrilled to be at work on a night shoot because I think it's just so cool.

[480] Yeah, I feel like somehow when that happens, I'm like a kid who's not supposed to be up that late.

[481] I'm like, oh my God, I'm working and it's the middle of the night.

[482] Yeah, and everyone's asleep and you're all awake doing this like amazing thing.

[483] And I think it's, I love it.

[484] So that was really cool.

[485] And New York, I love so much.

[486] You know, and Michael's just such an extraordinary actor.

[487] So getting to run those scenes over and over again.

[488] And there were some scenes that we did like 16 takes in a row and just kept going, kept going.

[489] And yeah, it was amazing.

[490] Oh, had you sang before that on camera or in a play?

[491] Were you a singer prior to that?

[492] No, I wasn't.

[493] No, no, no, no. I kind of grew up wanting to be a musical theater actor.

[494] That was my dream.

[495] I came to New York when I was about 14 and I saw the Sam Mende's Studio 54 cabaret back the first time round.

[496] And I was like, that's it.

[497] that's my, that's what I want to do.

[498] And then quickly realized that I didn't have a good enough singing voice.

[499] So I changed course and was like, oh, just acting.

[500] I'll just do acting.

[501] And I can't dance.

[502] So I didn't pursue that dream, but it was, you know, I'd sung in choirs and stuff.

[503] So I was kind of comfortable holding a tune.

[504] But that was truly one of the scariest things I've done, which seems mad.

[505] I was less nervous to be naked on camera than I was to sing that song.

[506] I mean, being completely naked always made sense to me from the moment I read the script.

[507] And I'm incredibly prudish.

[508] I don't even like wearing a swim.

[509] costume, but in this film, it just made complete sense.

[510] That's not how we say it, but that's fine.

[511] But your sound so complicated, yeah, yeah, like there's multiple pieces to it.

[512] Where's my hat?

[513] Where's my swimming costume hat?

[514] I would rather make love to a camel on camera than have to do what you did because not only do you sing, it's a very long kind of oner.

[515] So it's like, you know, you're not going to be able to hide.

[516] Like, there's no tactical approach.

[517] You're like, no, I got to sing this fucking song the whole way through.

[518] And if I shit the bed on this part, I don't know how we do it, right?

[519] So there was no safety nap.

[520] It scared the shit out of me watching you because I can't sing.

[521] Yeah, no, it scared the shit out of me. And I loved that about it.

[522] And I remember at the end of that, we did four or five takes.

[523] And then Steve came up to me afterwards and said, okay, now just sing like two lines of another song because you can't have just sung one song and we need you to finish that set.

[524] and walk over to the table and sit down with the boys.

[525] And I said, okay, great, what song do you want me to sing?

[526] And he was like, oh, I don't know.

[527] It can't be any song that's ever been written.

[528] You've got to make it up because we can't get the rights to anything.

[529] He was like, so you just make it up.

[530] Sure.

[531] I was like, Steve, I don't know how to make up a song.

[532] I can barely sing.

[533] And he was like, well, you're an artist, aren't you?

[534] You're an artist.

[535] You said you're a fucking artist.

[536] They make up a song.

[537] I was like, oh, God.

[538] But it's so perfectly him.

[539] And yeah, and so I just like said some nonsense about a rose.

[540] something.

[541] Is that in there?

[542] Your fake song?

[543] I can't remember, but I think there's maybe two words and then people start clapping.

[544] So maybe my last two words are my fake song.

[545] I'm going to have to give it a re -watch so that I can see what your improv song was.

[546] Well, I came up within my house.

[547] It's like some horrible drama school.

[548] You've successfully put the expectations very low.

[549] So I think anything I hear will be.

[550] Don't go back and it'll be terrible.

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[565] I wonder what the psychology is behind.

[566] why singing feels so vulnerable because it shouldn't.

[567] It's so...

[568] Yeah, like not more than doing comedy.

[569] Doing anything, but it's the scariest thing to do.

[570] I don't know why.

[571] When we did Inside Lewin Davis, we did a concert at the town hall for the film when the film came out and they got everyone who sings in the movie to come and then they got like Patty Smith and Gillian Welch and they had this gig.

[572] And I was the only person who wasn't a professional singer and I had to do my song.

[573] And I was like, oh, fun, how great.

[574] This would be awesome.

[575] And then got there and was paralyzed.

[576] Just couldn't.

[577] I mean, you know, had like a double whiskey on the side of the stage, knocked it back, got on stage, sang, came off, like, practically collapsed.

[578] I was so nervous.

[579] Doing that, I don't understand how people can do it without their voice is shaking.

[580] I'm going to launch a theory right now.

[581] Okay, let's hear it.

[582] Okay, which is like in general, if you're, even you're doing standup, or you're doing improv or you're doing sketch, like, You're going to make a joke.

[583] It's going to bomb or not.

[584] But if it bombs, you're not going to then make that joke for four more minutes.

[585] I think it's the notion that, like, if it goes wrong, I'm going to be stuck in it for the next three minutes going wrong.

[586] And it's going to be the longest three minutes of my life.

[587] But that's the case of comedy, too.

[588] I mean, if you're doing a stand -up set and then it will be.

[589] But there's still maneuvers.

[590] There's still moves you can make.

[591] Only if you're good, though.

[592] What if you're, if you're just bad at it, then there's no maneuvers and you're dying.

[593] That's a really good point.

[594] You're right.

[595] So for somebody who's not funny to do stand -up is definitely worse or on par was singing.

[596] There's loads of people who aren't funny who do stand -up.

[597] Oh, yeah, too many.

[598] The majority.

[599] The majority.

[600] But even, like, Kristen gets nervous before she sings, and she's going to sound amazing.

[601] She always does, and she's proven that to herself, but she, like, wants to take a proprananol.

[602] Propanananol.

[603] Before she sings, even when we did, like, the Christmas special for us.

[604] And I was like, oh, my God.

[605] There's just something about it that feels like you're sharing, like, your insides.

[606] Yeah.

[607] I don't know why, but, yeah.

[608] It's almost like being judged by your face because it's like, okay, here's the sound of my voice.

[609] Feel free to hate it or love it.

[610] Yeah, yeah.

[611] I think it's also worse with your loved ones, like doing anything.

[612] I don't know.

[613] I've rather like 200 strangers than my family and my best friends.

[614] That's true.

[615] That's true.

[616] One of my friends' biggest complaints while I was doing stand -up for a few years.

[617] They're like, why aren't you?

[618] you inviting me to the show?

[619] And I'm like, because I only want to do it for strangers.

[620] I can adopt a fake thing that I can buy into, but if you're there, I'll stop buying into it.

[621] Yeah, 100%.

[622] Would people come see the plays you were in?

[623] Were you comfortable inviting them?

[624] No, I wasn't comfortable.

[625] I would say, this is my one experience of trying to be funny, was a monologue I did.

[626] God, that sounds terrible.

[627] It wasn't just a comedy, but I did a monologue called Girls and Boys in 2018, which was like 90 minutes of this woman telling the same.

[628] story of her life.

[629] I'm so sorry.

[630] Hold on.

[631] Your monologue was 90 minutes?

[632] Yeah.

[633] How on earth did you memorize that?

[634] Well, it was 90 minutes in England.

[635] And then when we went to go and do it in New York, it was 10 minutes longer because I had to slow down because no one could understand my accent.

[636] Oh, my.

[637] I had this like East End cockney accent.

[638] And in New York, no one could figure it out if I'd go slower.

[639] They kept bringing you machas.

[640] Yeah, exactly.

[641] Yes.

[642] And the first half of that is comedy.

[643] I mean, it's, you know, pretty much the whole first 45 minutes is just meant to be very funny.

[644] And I found that was the closest I've ever come to pulling out of something.

[645] Until three days before our first performance, I hadn't run the play through at all from start to finish.

[646] Every time I'd get about a page through, I'd have like a panic attack.

[647] Oh, my goodness.

[648] Yeah, it was really bad.

[649] And I had to go and see, like, doctors.

[650] And they were so nice at the theatre.

[651] They were like, look, if this is really, if you can't do it, we totally understand.

[652] down, we'll just cancel the run, like that kind of stuff.

[653] Oh, wow.

[654] Yeah, it was really bad.

[655] And then I was like, no, no, no, I think I could do it.

[656] I mean, it was just.

[657] Did you try propan and all?

[658] Yeah, I did.

[659] Okay, good.

[660] Did it help a bunch?

[661] Yeah.

[662] People love it.

[663] It was amazing.

[664] I loved it.

[665] I did it for the first, like, maybe five shows and then I didn't need it anymore, but I still use it for talk shows because I'm terrible on talk shows.

[666] And that, it helps me a lot.

[667] But yeah, it was amazing.

[668] And it was more just a monologue.

[669] I mean, I can't imagine what it's like for stand -up comedy, but for this, it was more.

[670] monologue just needs an audience and just doesn't work.

[671] You can't rehearse it in a room and it just made no sense to me. But yeah, I banned.

[672] I sort of said to my husband, anyone can come whenever they like, will you just be in charge of the house tickets and just don't tell me when anyone's coming?

[673] I don't want to be my preference.

[674] I just want to be completely.

[675] I want to think everyone is a stranger the whole way through.

[676] Yeah.

[677] And the problem with comedy is you really can't lie to yourself because the verdict comes in immediately.

[678] You could be doing an emotional scene.

[679] What are you going to stare closely to see if people's eyes are welled up you can just tell yourself like i think that went pretty good but comedy boy there's no hiding no and when we did it in london we had certain reactions and we got out to new york in the first couple of previews in new york we were like oh that's not funny in america okay you know there was things that were immediately didn't translate we had to fix straight away but it was terrifying but to have like a tiny experience of having to try and be funny a tiny experience of trying to sing on stage like i just can't get my head around people do that all the time.

[680] You keep putting yourself in these horrible situations.

[681] Yeah.

[682] I just wonder, do you have kind of a personal topping yourself complex?

[683] Like, it kind of sounds like you put yourself in these positions that are really hard, like challenges.

[684] If you're going to sink or swim.

[685] Yeah.

[686] Yeah, I think so.

[687] I think it's more, it's not worth leaving home for unless it's sort of something that's scary or, not scary, but just something that like really excites.

[688] And definitely the model, analog was nuts and it would have been one of those things.

[689] I think this is often the case for the jobs I end up doing is I think like if I, you know, in 20 years time I'll kick myself that I didn't do that.

[690] I should have done it or I'll see that someone else is doing it.

[691] I'll think, I should have done that job.

[692] And I feel that I want to avoid that feeling as much as I can.

[693] So there's no game plan other than trying to keep it interesting.

[694] For myself, I like trying to do things that I initially read and think, ah, this might be a disaster.

[695] You should try auto racing.

[696] Just give it a, just give it.

[697] 2021.

[698] I'm not working so far this year.

[699] Just mull it over.

[700] I have one more question before we talk about your new movie, which is, what a sexy makeout scene in the elevator and drive?

[701] Oh, yeah.

[702] Oh.

[703] Were you already with your current husband at that time?

[704] No. I was single at that time.

[705] Oh, oh my God.

[706] That's the dream.

[707] Insane.

[708] It was nuts.

[709] He is a very very.

[710] very good looking human being, isn't he?

[711] Ryan Gosling?

[712] He's a dream boat.

[713] Is he the most for you?

[714] One of, yeah.

[715] Oh, I hate him so much.

[716] I hate him so much.

[717] I want to see him do stand up.

[718] You would kill it.

[719] Oh, fuck you.

[720] He's really funny.

[721] Yeah.

[722] Oh, good.

[723] Great.

[724] Very naturally funny.

[725] Can he work on cars, too?

[726] Is he super mechanical?

[727] I bet.

[728] I bet.

[729] Oh, I bet he's the best mechanic in town.

[730] Oh, I bet he's the best mechanic in town.

[731] Were you smitten with them while you were shooting that?

[732] Oh, totally.

[733] Yeah.

[734] That was real, like, childhood wish fulfillment stuff.

[735] Like, I'm living in L .A. I was living in a motel, which I've always thought was so cool and romantic.

[736] And I was driving myself to work at sunrise and shooting a movie.

[737] And, you know, it was like, come on.

[738] And then, you know, Ryan and I just stared at each other for days on end, not all things.

[739] Yeah, it was like fairy tale stuff.

[740] Oh, wow.

[741] Yeah.

[742] Chaless, so jealous.

[743] Oh, wow.

[744] Yeah, would you go to lunch, like they call lunch and then you go to lunch, you just like have a smile on your face going like, well, this is about as good as it gets right here.

[745] It was pretty sweet, yeah.

[746] I mean, but it's also that whole film, you know, working with Nick.

[747] He was like Steve in a way, like some mad genius who's just going to make this thing out of their mind and they already have the film in their head and you just get to sort of be the, you know, princess stuck in the tower.

[748] to Brian's, like, night and shining armor.

[749] It's just the whole thing felt so surreal.

[750] I loved the musical choice in that movie.

[751] Like, everything was very 80s.

[752] What do I want to say?

[753] It was my favorite genre ever.

[754] The Smith.

[755] FEMA.

[756] No, no, no. Psychedelic furs.

[757] New wave.

[758] New wave.

[759] It was very new wave.

[760] So so much of the character of that movie was the new wave music.

[761] So I was curious while you were making it, did he introduce music at all to these?

[762] scenes?

[763] Like, did he let you in on what that vibe was going to be?

[764] Well, so I started the process of filming, living in a motel.

[765] And then, like, after a couple of weeks, I moved in with Nick and with his family because they had a spare room and they were editing in the house.

[766] So I was hearing the music, you know, when I was coming home from work and I, like, saw that sort of river basin montage bit coming together with that song in the background.

[767] It was all very, yeah.

[768] So the music, he wasn't using it on set, really, but I guess I was getting to hear it, getting to to see bits and pieces in the evening.

[769] Yeah.

[770] It was part of it.

[771] Now, your husband, I read something today that I find impossible, which is somehow you guys were pen pales when you were younger.

[772] Is that apocryphal?

[773] Is that real?

[774] No, that is real.

[775] How?

[776] How?

[777] We knew each other when we were kids.

[778] How?

[779] Wasn't he born in L .A.?

[780] He was born in L .A., but he didn't live in L .A. for very long.

[781] He moved to England when he was like six months old.

[782] But we went to camp together when we were kids.

[783] No way.

[784] And you were just bros then?

[785] Or were you...

[786] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[787] We were just friends.

[788] And we were like, you know, we were like 12 years old.

[789] Yeah.

[790] And then how did it rekindle?

[791] Then we lost touch for a long time.

[792] We met again in Nashville in 2011.

[793] Like you just ran into each other at the honky tonk?

[794] Waffle house.

[795] I went there with a friend and he was doing a gig in someone's house.

[796] Her husband is Marcus from Mumford and Sons.

[797] I didn't know that.

[798] Well, I was getting the sense you didn't know that, which is exactly why I just told you.

[799] I thank you.

[800] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[801] Wow, you guys just, we're at the same camp?

[802] This is nuts.

[803] Pause, pause, pause.

[804] So this kid from your camp, like, you know you're a successful actor, and then you go like, oh, fucking A, the kid from my camp, he's got a hell of a band.

[805] A pretty popular band.

[806] Well, yeah, but yeah, basically.

[807] Yeah, that seems weird to me. Yeah, well, I guess I wasn't totally aware of them because they weren't...

[808] I mean, I don't know anything about music.

[809] But I had seen him as a support band at a gig years before when I was like 19.

[810] And I remember thinking like, oh, God, he's changed.

[811] Because he was very short when I knew him.

[812] As a 12 -year -old.

[813] Yeah, I was like, gosh, he's so tall.

[814] But, yeah, then, you know, we sort of connected on, like, Facebook, but never actually, you know, so we met properly in person again in two.

[815] 2011.

[816] But then it was like the week before he played the Grammys with Bob Dylan and did that thing.

[817] And then, you know, the whole sort of thing started for them in America.

[818] You got in the ground floor, but like with a sliver of time, just a nick of time.

[819] Exactly.

[820] Exactly.

[821] Yeah, because post -Grammy performance, he's got time for nobody, probably.

[822] Well, exactly.

[823] I would have just looked like a gold digger, wouldn't I?

[824] It was perfect.

[825] Oh, look who crawled out of my past.

[826] Exactly.

[827] Pen pal.

[828] A kid from camp.

[829] Yeah.

[830] That's awesome.

[831] Well, my wife and I, I think one of the pieces of glue that holds us together is we're both from Michigan.

[832] And we have kind of some shared values, some shared experience.

[833] We're both frugal as motherfuckers.

[834] Well, that's evolving.

[835] But, you know, in general.

[836] Do you guys have, like, is that part of the magic?

[837] I think a shared history of having known each other since we were children, I think.

[838] People don't really change, really.

[839] And I felt that he didn't change.

[840] He just got tall.

[841] He just got taller.

[842] Okay.

[843] Yeah.

[844] And he could sang louder.

[845] So I suppose that.

[846] And we grew up in similar circles and, you know, similar households and everything like that.

[847] But I think knowing somebody when they're 12 and being able to identify the 12 -year -old and someone.

[848] Yeah.

[849] That's pretty special.

[850] Has quarantine been as easy on your marriage as it has been on ours?

[851] I can't imagine anyone married would take that as anything but sarcastic.

[852] Yeah.

[853] You know, I do think there's a way in which having little ones makes it, you know, more stressful, but also like at least you have a thing that you have to do all the time, that you, you know, you're busy.

[854] And so in that sense.

[855] And also, we've been taking turns to work for so long.

[856] Right.

[857] But it means that you're never really off together, you know, because you always take it's like my turn, your turn.

[858] But this year was like, neither of us are doing anything.

[859] So that's quite good.

[860] That was our problem.

[861] We were a well -oiled machine seeing each other three hours a day.

[862] We know how to do that.

[863] Like, we could have done that for another 40 years.

[864] But all of a sudden, we're like, hold on a second here.

[865] We're together 24 -7.

[866] What the hell does this look like?

[867] Yeah, it's different.

[868] Me clearing my throat, like an hour a day, is probably manageable.

[869] But six hours a day, you know, God bless her.

[870] Again, we have space where we live, which helps.

[871] Yeah.

[872] Green fields and, yeah, which is good.

[873] Okay, now promising young woman, I'm going to air a grievance right now, which I love to do.

[874] This is a new favorite thing to do.

[875] Yeah, this shows evolving into my list of my grievances.

[876] So I tried my hardest to watch the movie, and there were so many layers of security.

[877] I created passwords.

[878] I downloaded an app.

[879] I had to take a picture of a barcode.

[880] Finally, I was like, they're not going to let me watch this fucking movie.

[881] And I watched the trailer, and I'm so pissed because the trailer is awesome, and I love the idea of this movie, and I was furious that it was impendent.

[882] I know.

[883] That's so the thing at the moment, isn't it?

[884] They're getting a text message to your phone, but if you're not in phone signal, you don't get the message.

[885] It's like, ah.

[886] Yeah.

[887] Yeah.

[888] And I get, you know, piracy's an issue, but at the same time, so is no one seeing the movie's in issue.

[889] You've got to kind of weigh what thing you're going to prioritize.

[890] But in a nutshell, you are a law school student and you left early, as I'm assuming, the the result of some sexual trauma?

[891] So I'm a med school dropout 10 years later, still living with parents in what very much looks like her childhood bedroom.

[892] And I am going out multiple nights a week, pretending to be really drunk.

[893] Very convincingly, I'm going to add, because in the beginning of the trailer, you think you're that fucked up and you're about to get assaulted and it's scary.

[894] Yeah.

[895] Yeah.

[896] And then she waits for somebody to inevitably take her home.

[897] and then she reveals that she's stone called sober oh wow yeah there's a fucking moment in the trailer with our favorite human being adam brodie oh yeah oh what a guy do how much do we love him god i love him he's so brilliant in the film as well but there's a moment where he keeps going don't worry don't worry don't worry and she keeps on no no no i don't want to do this and he goes down between her legs and she just pops up and looks him dead in the face and said what are you doing I probably got the dialogue wrong, but it's something like that.

[898] No, that's it.

[899] Oh, my God.

[900] I was like, this is exciting.

[901] Yeah, it's a twist on a revenge movie.

[902] It was Emerald Fennell who wrote it and directed it.

[903] She wanted to write a revenge movie that felt like what she would actually do.

[904] And she's a Killing Eve director?

[905] She was the showrunner on the second season of Killing Eve.

[906] Yeah.

[907] That's awesome.

[908] And an actress, and she plays Camilla and the Crown.

[909] Uh -oh.

[910] You just hit Monica right between.

[911] I'm so into the crown.

[912] Obviously, I've been wanting to talk to you about the crown since we've gone on here.

[913] It's all you want to talk, right?

[914] Yeah, everyone who's English, I have to ask about the crown.

[915] What do you feel about the royals?

[916] What do you feel about the royals?

[917] Uh -oh.

[918] I love the royals.

[919] I'm not seen the latest season as the crown.

[920] It's really good.

[921] I've seen everything else, and I thought it was brilliant.

[922] I haven't seen this one yet.

[923] I've been watching Bridgeton.

[924] What have you been watching?

[925] That's great, too.

[926] I haven't seen yet.

[927] Bridgerton?

[928] Yeah, that's the Shonda Rhyme show on Netflix.

[929] Oh.

[930] People are into.

[931] Okay.

[932] Yeah.

[933] This is an English show we're consuming right now that we love.

[934] Happy Valley.

[935] Have you seen that?

[936] Oh, no, I haven't, but it's meant to be amazing.

[937] Oh, it's fantastic.

[938] We love it.

[939] And then your movie, of course, reminds me of our favorite show of last year, which was I may destroy you.

[940] Did you watch that?

[941] Oh, my God.

[942] Yes, it's amazing.

[943] She's incredible.

[944] That woman is a tour to force, a force of nature.

[945] I couldn't stop watching that show, but I also like could barely I was like watching it from behind my, hello, I couldn't, you know, but I couldn't stop watching it.

[946] I watched the whole thing in two days.

[947] Yeah, she's extraordinary.

[948] And Michael Cole.

[949] She's brilliant.

[950] Definitely looking at similar stuff in our film, yeah.

[951] Yeah.

[952] I'm so happy there are these stories, more and more of these female perspective stories.

[953] Yeah, and even in the trailer they hit on, oh, Chris Loll's in it, by the way.

[954] I saw he was maybe the perpetrator of, I don't know, that's what I'm gathering.

[955] Who knows?

[956] We'll see.

[957] Gonna have to see it.

[958] Yeah, Chris is amazing.

[959] Chris is so, we were so excited for him to be in the film.

[960] The cool thing about it is that actually none of these people were in for longer than like two or three days of filming.

[961] So we had like Molly Shannon, Jennifer Coolidge, Connie Britton, Adam, Brody and Chris Lowell and Sam Richardson.

[962] And they were all coming in for like a day, you know, and doing their thing and then going.

[963] Isn't that fun for you to like, here's your smorgasborg of super talented people that are.

[964] going to come in and crush for a day and you're going to get to watch.

[965] Yeah, it was nuts.

[966] Also, incredibly difficult to come into a film, particularly one like Oz, which has a very particular tone, because it is a dark comedy, but it's very, it's a really dark comedy.

[967] You know, to come in and do a day, because come in and do a day on anything is a nightmare.

[968] That was my worst nightmare.

[969] I couldn't agree on.

[970] Done it before and it's just, oh, it's so nerve -wracking and meeting the crew and trying to, like, understand the dynamics of everything.

[971] But everyone was just it was insane like every day emerald and i would be at the monitor afterwards just completely in all i mean we just had the most alison brie is like so brilliant in the film and she was on the first day of filming she was in the first scene she just came in and crushed it so amazing it's so cool she's camilla on the crown she's show running and directing and writing god i like her and she's written novels she's written multiple novels i know and she has a world record for high jump yeah yeah and she has written the new book for the new andrew lloyd weber musical cinderella oh my really i know i know it's kind of annoying to impress with her honestly let's i hope she has no life does she have no life i can hope she's got like the best life oh yeah like amazing friends and she's a dependable friend you're saying you can count on her yeah what a jerk generous is she generous?

[972] Oh, I mean, the most.

[973] She gave you the shirt off her back.

[974] She really would.

[975] Now, when you do a movie like this or you do a movie like shame, do you consider like, hmm, do I want to take on this topic, me personally, or do you go like, you know what, that's the director's topic or that's the writer's topic?

[976] And I'm here to facilitate that.

[977] Like, do you distance yourself from that or do you take it on?

[978] I think I distance myself from it when I'm making it, and then I think inevitably you end up taking it on.

[979] Well, you end up having to defend it in press and stuff, right?

[980] Yeah.

[981] Particularly, I think, as a woman, you've become a spokesperson for whatever issue the film is dealing with, which is fine.

[982] And I think it happens very often with female characters or with female driven stories.

[983] It always has to be, there was to be some reason why the story was told or some very sort of specific catalyst for it or some, you know, much deeper meaning, which, of course, was promising there is, but also it's revenge movie.

[984] It's really fun.

[985] and it's funny and it's dark.

[986] Like, is everyone inching towards asking you if you've been attacked?

[987] Is that what they're doing in interviews?

[988] Yeah.

[989] Yeah, yeah.

[990] Somebody actually did ask me that.

[991] Someone asked me if I'd been.

[992] And so it's that kind of stuff where, you know, you're just like, we made a movie, man. It's so cool.

[993] And if anything, all these different, Fleabag, I May Destroy You, there's so much great stuff right now, your movie.

[994] What everyone should be recognizing at this moment is that to be a woman on planet Earth, you have the fucking experience.

[995] You know what I'm saying?

[996] Like, I don't really probably need to find out what specifically or what eight specific things happened to you or to Monica.

[997] Like, it's becoming pretty clear, I think.

[998] This is the female experience.

[999] Yeah, it's not.

[1000] It doesn't require someone's unique experience to tell this story, to be honest.

[1001] It's not a unique experience.

[1002] That's the thing.

[1003] I mean, it feels very much like these are things that we've been talking about amongst ourselves for years.

[1004] And now finally it's kind of a global conversation or more so than it was.

[1005] But, you know, and I do think there's a reason why the film, in some sense, you know, is sparking all these conversations.

[1006] That is intentional.

[1007] It is meant to question some of the things that we've become so used to in our culture.

[1008] You know, there's nothing really in promising young woman that isn't in a bro comedy in the last 20 years where a guy tries to find most drunk girl he can at a party and lose his virginity to her.

[1009] You know, there's a million stories like that, which is in a bro comedy.

[1010] just looking at it through a different angle.

[1011] There's a sense of responsibility when you're talking about things that are really sensitive and, you know, and our people's real life experience is nothing in this film that is unusual or that we haven't heard about.

[1012] And that's what's so tragic is that it's all very commonplace stuff that we're dealing with, but it's also horrific.

[1013] This is too much of an admission, but when I was watching it, I'm shedding misogyny.

[1014] I'm not there at all.

[1015] And I catch myself all the time going like, oh, yeah, that's flawed thinking.

[1016] So when I was watching the trailer, I was, I had the thought like, oh, this feels like entrapment to these guys.

[1017] Like, I literally was pursuing this thought of like, God, that's entrapment a little bit to these guys.

[1018] And then I was like entrapping them to take someone home and start looking up with them when they're inebri.

[1019] Like, but I had to go through the thing because my first kind of thought was like, what poor guy who thinks he's metagrola likes them.

[1020] And then I was like, no, no, no, no. I'm like clouded.

[1021] I still.

[1022] Yeah.

[1023] It's weird.

[1024] But then, so there's also characters in the film like Alison Brie's character, Madison, who's, you know, she's complicit in a totally different way.

[1025] She's rationalizing the behavior of people that she was with because they have friends.

[1026] And actually, it's really hard if somebody accuses somebody you love and like.

[1027] It's very easy if we accuse people that we don't like and are kind of horrible people.

[1028] But if someone accuses one of your loved ones, you know, it's hard.

[1029] There's no answers in the film, which is what I love.

[1030] And there are lots and lots of questions.

[1031] And, you know, there's a lot of stuff going on in there that is tricky stuff.

[1032] And so I felt it a little bit when I was signing on to the project and then not at all when we were making it.

[1033] And then in the releasing of it, you feel, thank God, not my experience.

[1034] But it is a lot of people's experience.

[1035] And you want to handle that carefully and respectfully.

[1036] I stumbled across an interview with you during the shame press where, you know, it's clearly a junket.

[1037] You're clearly on interview 63.

[1038] And this guy, like, very clumsily asked you if you're.

[1039] your relationship with Fastbender's incest.

[1040] And like, the whole thing is so fucking awkward.

[1041] Oh, no. What did I say?

[1042] You were fucking great.

[1043] You're like, well, why?

[1044] I don't understand because she was nude in front of him.

[1045] No, she likes to fuck with her brother to remind her of being a kid.

[1046] And, you know, your incest deductions probably, you know, in the politest way possible, that was not explicit.

[1047] So if you assume that, that says probably more about you.

[1048] But anyways, just I was just more.

[1049] overwhelmed with the notion that you have to sit in a room and then some clumsy dude comes in and makes you defend whether or not the scene in the bathroom is incest.

[1050] Yeah, the same thing happened on wildlife.

[1051] Somebody in a Q &A stood up.

[1052] I play a mother of a 14 -year -old and, you know, my husband, who's played by Jake Dillonhall, leaves, has sort of a midlife crisis and leaves to go and fight a wildfire and leaves me on my own to sort of fend for myself in the 1950s with no income.

[1053] and I end up having a very brief affair with a local businessman.

[1054] And it's just like the worst week of this woman's life, basically, which is not a good advert for the film, but it's much better than that.

[1055] But, you know, really in the playing of it.

[1056] And this man at a Q &A was absolutely horrified by my character and wanted to make a real sort of objection to her existence and thought that it was abhorrent to the way that she behaved.

[1057] Oh, my God.

[1058] You know, he couldn't get over it.

[1059] And he was like, and there's something going on that's weird with the kid, like some sexual thing with you and the kid.

[1060] I was like, no, mate, that is all you.

[1061] There's no sexual thing with being a kid.

[1062] Yeah, this guy went out of town once and his wife took on a lover.

[1063] Yeah, he projected a lot on it.

[1064] It was a, yeah, very true.

[1065] Yeah.

[1066] You should have answered by saying, let me answer that question with another question.

[1067] How long ago did this happen to you, sir?

[1068] I'm so sorry.

[1069] There was like a therapist in the room who intervened and said, look, I think I can rephrase your question for you.

[1070] and rephrase the question.

[1071] Because I can't remember how she rephrased it perfectly.

[1072] But I think, you know, she stepped in and sort of made it.

[1073] Oh, that's cool.

[1074] A reasonable question, which is so cool.

[1075] Yeah.

[1076] So when does promising young woman come out?

[1077] It came out on Christmas Day in America and it's gone streaming on Friday the 50th, I think.

[1078] January 15th, it goes streaming?

[1079] January 15th.

[1080] I'm going to stream it because I really, really want.

[1081] Maybe that was Universal's ultimate goals.

[1082] They're like, we know he's going to want to watch this and he'll pay for it.

[1083] So let's give him so many hurdles that we, He can't watch it for free.

[1084] So actually, good job.

[1085] Good job.

[1086] It's a good test.

[1087] Yeah, I failed it, but they ultimately will get 15 bucks or whatever it is.

[1088] We win, so.

[1089] Well, Carrie, I didn't say it at the beginning, but I think you're phenomenally talented.

[1090] I love, love, love seeing you in things.

[1091] Thank you.

[1092] I'm really excited to see promising young woman.

[1093] We hope you get a macho machine.

[1094] Oh, my goodness.

[1095] I do, too.

[1096] I'm going to look it up.

[1097] It'll change your life.

[1098] You guys are going to fly directly to Nashville and reignite.

[1099] that fire that burned so bright 12 years ago, it's going to do everything for you.

[1100] Oh my goodness.

[1101] I'm changing this offer.

[1102] Oh.

[1103] Whoever your person is who's listening, however we got to hold you on email, we're going to send it to you as a thank you.

[1104] That's what we're going to do.

[1105] We just change it.

[1106] You don't have to Google shit.

[1107] We're going to send you on these fucking things.

[1108] Yes, it's done.

[1109] It's done.

[1110] We need you to have it and bring it to that side of the earth.

[1111] And it'll taste better as a gift, I think.

[1112] Oh, you'll say, okay, all right.

[1113] Well, I'll do my duty.

[1114] I'll make sure that everyone.

[1115] and England gets one as well, because I'm in touch with them all, you know.

[1116] You might want to set up a little, like, lemonade -style stand out there in the country and introduce the good folk to Machen.

[1117] Yes.

[1118] Oh, my goodness.

[1119] Oh, wow.

[1120] You got a whole—this will be another challenge for you.

[1121] You'll be panicked sitting on the side of the road, like, I feel so stupid and exposed, and what if they recognize me, and I'm selling Machen?

[1122] Do they think I'm broke?

[1123] Good plan.

[1124] Great talking to you.

[1125] Thanks, guys.

[1126] So nice to talk to you.

[1127] Be well.

[1128] tuned for more armchair expert, if you dare.

[1129] And now my favorite part of the show, the fact check with my soulmate Monica Padman.

[1130] What are you doing right now?

[1131] Tell the world.

[1132] Oh, sipping a macha.

[1133] And that's a ding, ding, ding, because my first fact is about the macho machine.

[1134] It is.

[1135] It's macha based?

[1136] Yeah, because, remember, we bought Carrie the matcha machine?

[1137] Oh, right, but there was in there, there was all kinds of hurdles because she was in England.

[1138] So we had to just buy it here and then mail it to her.

[1139] And then send it to her.

[1140] Yes.

[1141] And it may have caught her house on fire by this point because I don't know that it qualified to meet the EU standards.

[1142] Is she going to be able to use it there because of the plug?

[1143] Yeah, she had a converter.

[1144] I guarantee she got a bunch of.

[1145] We should have sent her a converter too.

[1146] I imagine if you're living in England, you got one.

[1147] Okay.

[1148] Yeah.

[1149] But the fact was you said you told her that I was making matcha from Scrovert.

[1150] scratch.

[1151] And I just want machine is making it from the leaves.

[1152] Well, I guess that's what I mean.

[1153] Like, you know, my mama differentiate making like spaghetti from scratch.

[1154] It would be like, okay, if you buy the thing a ragu, now, if you get the crushed tomatoes and the tomato paste, and then you combine it all, that's from scratch.

[1155] So the fact that it's raw leaves and not the powder.

[1156] That's true.

[1157] That's why I was calling it scratch.

[1158] I get that.

[1159] I'm just like, I didn't.

[1160] take the leaves and like muddle them up into a paste and then add the water you know that would seem could you do that i'm not gonna okay okay great i could i can do anything but so look um this isn't my joke clearly a lot of people make this jokes this jokes but um monica and i have fallen into this pattern where we're texting and then i i inadvertently text like five things and she hasn't responded yet and then i get insecure so then i say thank you for my TED Talk, which is, again, is a well -worn joke.

[1161] Oh, yeah.

[1162] It's old.

[1163] It's old.

[1164] How old is that joke?

[1165] I just got hip to it like six months ago.

[1166] It's a great joke.

[1167] I stand by the joke.

[1168] I don't know how old it is, but it's definitely well -worn.

[1169] Okay.

[1170] Well, I still really like it, and so I say it to you.

[1171] You do.

[1172] And then last night you were in a bit of a pickle because you were nervous you weren't going to know how to fill up your car because you had never done it before.

[1173] And you want to know where, like, where's the button to open?

[1174] up the fuel door.

[1175] And I said, try pushing on the fuel door.

[1176] It turns out that was the case, luckily.

[1177] All this to say, you made double safe that you don't put diesel in it.

[1178] And I said, yeah, don't put diesel in it.

[1179] Put premium in it.

[1180] And then you said, okay, but I want to put the most expensive one in.

[1181] Isn't diesel more expensive?

[1182] Well, and then I said, well, I'll give you a TED talk when I come over about diesel.

[1183] And here we go.

[1184] Yeah, and it was supposed to be just for us.

[1185] But now, you thought, oh, I should share it with the world.

[1186] That's not actually what I thought.

[1187] I thought we ran out of time, and I promised you a TED talk.

[1188] So now everyone's going to get it.

[1189] Okay.

[1190] Okay, so just in a nutshell, do you care at all?

[1191] Yeah, I actually do.

[1192] I'm curious.

[1193] So the way a normal gasoline engine works is the cylinder go, I'm sorry, the piston goes down in the cylinder, and then it fills it with gasoline, and then the cylinder goes up, and it compresses it, and then a spark plug ignites it, and it forces the piston back down, and that's how it's making motion.

[1194] Okay.

[1195] In a diesel, there's no spark plugs.

[1196] So there are globe plugs to get it going initially, but the compression is so fierce inside of a diesel engine that just that much pressure as it compresses the gas will cause it to explode on its own without any spark.

[1197] But also diesel burns dirtier.

[1198] And so there are little elements in there that can also spark the explosion.

[1199] The fuel itself can perpetuate the explosion.

[1200] So diesel isn't better gas.

[1201] It's not as good of gas, really.

[1202] But it has a different power curve.

[1203] And then back to the octane thing.

[1204] So what's interesting is you would imagine that like 91 octane is more explosive than 87 octane.

[1205] But what I've been told, maybe someone will correct me on this in the comments.

[1206] But it actually explodes slower.

[1207] So 91 explodes slower, which gives a longer bit of thrust to that piston because the explosion's lasting longer okay okay i'm glad i stopped in yeah i learned something new i definitely didn't know any of that stuff but if you put diesel in an unleaded car you're okay yeah really will damage the engine don't do that no so does the more expensive unleaded is that actually better for the environment please say yes well i will say this generally speaking all things being equal if you fill a car up with 87 versus 91, you will get slightly better gas mileage with 91.

[1208] So in that respect, you're using less fuel.

[1209] You don't even need to feel bad because I got you that car a month ago and yesterday was the first time you had to figure out how to put gas in it.

[1210] I know.

[1211] So you're using a tank of gas a month.

[1212] I know.

[1213] I know.

[1214] I drive so infrequently.

[1215] But, you know, when I had my Prius, I was filling up like every three months.

[1216] Well, let's be honest You were filling up every three months I was filling it up once every four months Because every time I would drive it It was always hovering above E And then I would probably float up But I was feeling a little bit like E once a month's a lot Once a month is kind of a lot And so the Prius held nine gallons And I would go on that for three months This I filled up there was a, you know, I'm not going to tell the whole story, but there was a whole snafu at the gas station, a whole hall of blue.

[1217] And what I ended up having to do is just put money on the card.

[1218] And so I didn't get to, I didn't get to see how much it would be filling up the entire tank.

[1219] Okay.

[1220] So I filled up $40.

[1221] Okay.

[1222] And it was half.

[1223] And it was eight gallons.

[1224] Jesus Christ, what gas station were you at?

[1225] Did you step at that fucking mobile?

[1226] I don't know.

[1227] At Vermont?

[1228] Yeah.

[1229] That you cannot stop there.

[1230] The 76 right next to your house is literally half as expensive.

[1231] Oh, shit.

[1232] That is the weirdest mobile.

[1233] I always wonder how they're in business.

[1234] Wait, really?

[1235] Yes, look at their gas prices the next time you drive to my house because you'll see 76 is first.

[1236] And by the way, I'm making no statement about mobile versus 76 nationally or even statewide.

[1237] But here in Los Velas, it's drastically more expensive at that mobile.

[1238] I've pulled in there and was about to fuel up and glanced and was like, oh, my.

[1239] Oh, my God, what are they doing?

[1240] Because that's not what it is.

[1241] I think right now, a gallon of premium is like $3 .40 in Los Angeles.

[1242] So if you only got eight gallons, it should be 20.

[1243] Well, like, eight and some.

[1244] Eight and change.

[1245] Yeah.

[1246] Okay.

[1247] It should have been, you know, $28.

[1248] Okay.

[1249] Okay, so I'm not going to go there anymore.

[1250] Oh, my God.

[1251] I knew immediately.

[1252] I knew immediately it had to be that mobile.

[1253] Yeah.

[1254] I got taken it.

[1255] I got swindled.

[1256] You got taken for a ride.

[1257] Well, I didn't get swindled.

[1258] I just was irresponsible.

[1259] I have to own it.

[1260] I should have looked.

[1261] How ironic that not only did they charge way more, the fucking pumps are broken.

[1262] Yeah, it was broken.

[1263] It was a nightmare.

[1264] That's what you got for your extra money.

[1265] A big pain in the ass.

[1266] You got the high, hard one.

[1267] All right.

[1268] Well, I learned my lesson.

[1269] You took it right in the caboose.

[1270] Okay, sometimes you got to learn your lessons the hard way.

[1271] Yeah.

[1272] And today I did.

[1273] Lessons are a dish best serve cold.

[1274] What is the actual thing?

[1275] Revenge.

[1276] Oh.

[1277] Okay.

[1278] So Carrie, how fun.

[1279] Yes.

[1280] This is our second English person in a row, Jethro, and now Carrie.

[1281] Yeah.

[1282] And we just interviewed a professor yesterday who is stationed in England.

[1283] She's been there for 18 months, and she was telling us about the subtle differences in how we assume as Americans like, oh, well, that'd be the easiest place to live.

[1284] Yep.

[1285] It'd be such a natural fit because we speak the same language.

[1286] And so much of our history comes from those folks on the Mayflower.

[1287] But no. Culturally, they're a lot different.

[1288] Yeah, and I also know that because Callie, my best friend, is living there.

[1289] And she has said the same thing.

[1290] She has.

[1291] What did she?

[1292] Well, she just says it's really different.

[1293] Yeah.

[1294] I kind of want to experience it because I've been there for a week at a time on vacation.

[1295] I've not noticed it.

[1296] I lived there for a month in college, and I remember it being different, but...

[1297] You were mostly at American movie premieres while you were there.

[1298] Ah.

[1299] Isn't that where you famously?

[1300] Jennifer Aniston and Vince Fawn.

[1301] Jen Ann and VV.

[1302] VV.

[1303] Yeah.

[1304] Mm -mm.

[1305] Mm -mm.

[1306] What a time.

[1307] What a time to be alive.

[1308] But it was different.

[1309] But I think I was too young to really, I hadn't lived by myself in America.

[1310] Well, I was going to say you hadn't even left Georgia.

[1311] So, you know, well, other than your brief stay in Memphis, Tennessee.

[1312] Thank you for remembering.

[1313] Of course.

[1314] And then visiting Grandma and Grandpa and Savannah, which is a little bit different of a vibe.

[1315] You know me so well.

[1316] But whatever.

[1317] The point is, you could have gone to Detroit and thought You've been all topsy -turvy.

[1318] I would have, yeah, for sure.

[1319] Okay, so.

[1320] You've loved the journal behind.

[1321] Every time we do a fact check, I've arrived with the new form of media, either a memo pad, a reporter's notebook, this is a yellow legal pad.

[1322] I can't wait for you to have a clay tablet that you have carved like kineoformin.

[1323] Okay, you said less people are important.

[1324] employed in Anthro than acting.

[1325] I'm just now seeing this fact right now.

[1326] Okay.

[1327] I didn't check it because I lost it in all these letters on my page.

[1328] Yeah, yeah.

[1329] It got lost.

[1330] So let me look.

[1331] How many people are employed in anthropology?

[1332] It's going to be tricky because, like, certainly everyone with an anthropology degree ends up employed, but do they end up employed in the field of anthropology?

[1333] I got to imagine it's like less than 1%.

[1334] Because with the exception of a couple corporations that hire, anthropologists and you got some at museums.

[1335] Mostly you're just in academia for that.

[1336] Right.

[1337] Maybe some excavation companies have on -site archaeologists or something.

[1338] While you're doing that I'm going to find out how many people are in SAG.

[1339] Oh, good idea.

[1340] That's tricky though.

[1341] Because like, yeah.

[1342] It is.

[1343] But so will your number will be tricky to you.

[1344] This says quick facts, anthropologists and archaeologists.

[1345] 2019 median pay with $63 ,670 per year.

[1346] Okay.

[1347] Typical entry -level education master's degree.

[1348] Number of jobs 2019, $8 ,000.

[1349] $8 ,000?

[1350] Yeah.

[1351] Okay.

[1352] How many people do you think are in SAGafra?

[1353] 100 ,000.

[1354] 160 ,000.

[1355] Wow.

[1356] Yeah.

[1357] But that, again, I mean, if you do one commercial in your life, If you're going to show.

[1358] If you're smart, you'll wait to your second commercial because they don't force you to join until you're second.

[1359] So you don't want to pay those dues if you're one and done.

[1360] But you know what I mean.

[1361] I do know what you mean.

[1362] Yeah, there's a lot of unemployed actors in SAG AFRA.

[1363] Yeah.

[1364] Which always is an issue in the voting, not that people care how the sausage is made.

[1365] But generally in a union, if you've got the UAW and they're voting on some policy at the factories, I've got to imagine the great majority of people voting work in a factory.

[1366] Yeah.

[1367] And so often they'll vote for a strike, and 80 % of the people that are voting to strike aren't working.

[1368] So there's really no, there's no loss for them.

[1369] Yeah.

[1370] I'm not saying we should or shouldn't strike.

[1371] I'm just saying that's a peculiar dynamic, I think, to sag after a compared to UAW or Teamsters.

[1372] What we should look up is, also that was another good TED talk.

[1373] But what we should look up is how many.

[1374] many actors make over $50 ,000 a year.

[1375] Well, the way we could do that is qualify for the insurance.

[1376] That's 16 ,000.

[1377] Like, that's not.

[1378] That's about what an anthropologist is making.

[1379] No, they're making $63 ,000.

[1380] I know, I know, let's see.

[1381] So we should say $50 ,000.

[1382] What do they call that, Plan 1?

[1383] How many SAG actors qualify for Plan 1 health care?

[1384] We are getting into the weeds on this.

[1385] You must earn.

[1386] at least 35 ,000 in covered earnings.

[1387] Okay.

[1388] I thought it was 16.

[1389] Well, you're out to lunch.

[1390] Oh, my God.

[1391] No, plan one is...

[1392] That's the good one.

[1393] Yeah.

[1394] So you need to do plan two.

[1395] But why?

[1396] We're trying to find out how many people make...

[1397] Oh, you're right.

[1398] Yeah.

[1399] This actually addresses your big objection one second ago.

[1400] I am not calling them to ask because I've had a lot of conversations with them over the years and is tough.

[1401] Well, fucking 8 ,500 people signed a petition to change the plan one.

[1402] So that lets me know there's more than 8 ,500 people on it.

[1403] Oh, okay.

[1404] Then that kind of answers.

[1405] Because if it was 8 ,000, 8 ,000 doesn't sound right.

[1406] I'm going to be honest.

[1407] I can't fully trust this site that I pull that number from, but sure.

[1408] Okay.

[1409] Okay, so we'll say you're right.

[1410] Okay, so I just want to clarify in case anyone heard it.

[1411] She mentions David Tennant and I do like a really small gasp.

[1412] And that's because of Broad Church.

[1413] I've been watching it and I love it so much.

[1414] Very small gas.

[1415] And he's in it and he's incredible.

[1416] Which person does he play?

[1417] The main guy.

[1418] The main detective.

[1419] Yeah.

[1420] Donny Lottema.

[1421] God, he's good.

[1422] Don't you love how often they say Donny Lottomar.

[1423] Yeah, it's mainly him.

[1424] So you made a joke that Carrie and Timothy Dalton were the same age because they're clearly not.

[1425] And Carrie's 35 and Timothy Dalton is 74.

[1426] That is a 40 -year gap right there.

[1427] Oh, boy.

[1428] That means I would be dating a six -year -old.

[1429] Ew!

[1430] Yuck!

[1431] I don't like putting it.

[1432] in that term.

[1433] You'd be dating a negative seven -year -old.

[1434] Oh, my God.

[1435] Ew.

[1436] Oh, wow.

[1437] Okay.

[1438] I don't mean to say, ooh, if anyone out there has a 40 -year -old gap.

[1439] But there's just an ooness about thinking about your age now and a negative seven -year -old.

[1440] Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[1441] But I think the way we would qualify, I think we could come up with some guidelines.

[1442] So for me, I'd like to see, anyone involved in a 40 -year gap to be at least 38.

[1443] That would be the minimum age that they got together.

[1444] Yes, that you're dating a 78 -year -old when you're 38.

[1445] Yeah.

[1446] Because, you know, maybe you're like, oh, fucking, who gives a shit?

[1447] 30?

[1448] Oh, man. If you're dating a 75 -year -old, I would be sad for you.

[1449] I know.

[1450] See, that's the part that I, if I loved him, I would be happy.

[1451] For a few weeks, yeah.

[1452] Hot.

[1453] No, he's going to get that thing.

[1454] And he's going to live to be 200 years old.

[1455] Oh, okay.

[1456] So it's sooner than we think.

[1457] Adrenachrome.

[1458] Oh, he's got kids in his basement.

[1459] Yeah.

[1460] Oh, well, now that further compounds the ethical dilemma.

[1461] Okay.

[1462] But if you're 70 and your boyfriend's 110, cool.

[1463] Oh, it's so silly.

[1464] We were having a hard time pronouncing this word, and it is propanolol.

[1465] it is yes it's not propanol no and i thought it was too yeah it sounded so right when you said it it wanted it to be right but it's propranol i almost need to take proprananol this pronounce it correctly i know well the person who taught me this takes it okay propranananol no propranol oh my gosh that's a boy do they name medications well i was just thinking this because i just picked up two prescriptions he was like what are the names of them and I had to hold up the tube because I could not say it.

[1466] Of course not.

[1467] Can I try to, I wouldn't be able to do it, but can I try to find the spelling of Zaljans, my arthritis medicine?

[1468] Oh, and it's an X. Fucking, listen to this.

[1469] X, E, L, J, A, and Z. This would be a million point word in Scrabble.

[1470] Yeah.

[1471] You got an X, a J, and a Z. and for some reason the ex the ex is Zal It's not Are you sure it's not Zell?

[1472] Okay, Zell Jans Does that make you feel better?

[1473] Wait, is it J -E -N or A -N?

[1474] J -A -N Oh, Zell J -Jans.

[1475] Yeah, that's crazy.

[1476] But honestly, there's somebody in the consumer affairs said, you know what people are going to have an easy time saying at the pharmacy and spelling and searching on the internet?

[1477] Zal Jans.

[1478] Yeah, I don't get it.

[1479] I don't.

[1480] There must be an actual reason.

[1481] An explanation.

[1482] Maybe it stands for stuff.

[1483] Like, you know how COVID stands for coronavirus?

[1484] Why are medications weird?

[1485] Terrible search.

[1486] My seizure medication is leviteracetam.

[1487] Levitaratum.

[1488] Loved or leave it, tam?

[1489] Someone in pharmacology can tell us one of our armcheries can.

[1490] Okay, but I did find an article here.

[1491] You don't want to know it?

[1492] Another TED Talk.

[1493] Oh, geez.

[1494] All right.

[1495] Is it interesting?

[1496] Can I just read you a couple of the names that are out there?

[1497] Sure.

[1498] In Civic with a K. Adsetris.

[1499] Yeah, Ed Cetrius.

[1500] Yourvoy.

[1501] Vilbred with a Y. Zaitiga.

[1502] X .G. Eva.

[1503] No. Fuck these people.

[1504] There is a reason so many.

[1505] drug names look so weird.

[1506] A good drug name is supposed to check lots of boxes.

[1507] It should be easy for doctors to spell accurately.

[1508] Well, fail.

[1509] When they scribble it down on a prescription pad, it should be memorable.

[1510] It should be used in every country around the world without triggering some cultural confusion or sensitivity.

[1511] It ought to be consistent with the science or clinical application that distinguished the product through years of development.

[1512] The brand name shouldn't be so geeky that it's obtuse for patients, but fail.

[1513] Ideally, you want to be.

[1514] want it to trigger some relevant connection to your product.

[1515] That's not an explanation.

[1516] Some of that makes sense.

[1517] The writing it down and needing that to look of a certain way kind of makes sense to me. Well, it does say the FDA is getting particularly tough rejecting about four out of every 10 name proposals because it wants to avoid medication mix -ups.

[1518] Yeah, classic mix -up.

[1519] Yeah.

[1520] That's a bad mix -up.

[1521] I hope I get something.

[1522] No. Okay.

[1523] Oh, no, no. Oh, okay, I'm going to do a fact, and you're not going to like it.

[1524] And I did not check this fact.

[1525] So be mad at Laura?

[1526] Yes.

[1527] So you can be mad at Laura.

[1528] And this is very on brand for her to write something like this.

[1529] She said, Dax asked if the story of Carrie and Mumford being pen pals was hypocrophal.

[1530] But I think he meant to use the word apocryphal, which means basically that a story or account is dubious and probably not true.

[1531] I do say hypocryphal instead of apocryphal, and I know it's apocryphal.

[1532] Yeah, I've added an H. She's dead right.

[1533] I use it a lot, too.

[1534] I know.

[1535] I heard you use it after I read that this, and I was like, oh, no, and I'm going to have to tell him.

[1536] Yeah, hypocrisles would imply some kind of hypocrisy.

[1537] Yeah.

[1538] Yeah.

[1539] Is it apocryphal?

[1540] I'll nail it.

[1541] Yeah.

[1542] I just wanted to tell you because I also know that you.

[1543] Strive to be better.

[1544] Yeah.

[1545] And because Laura did it and I didn't do it.

[1546] Yeah.

[1547] And that's why I take Zizalzians to help with that.

[1548] Wait, really?

[1549] No. That's for arthritis.

[1550] Oh.

[1551] And I don't take it very often.

[1552] You were describing something and you said, blah, blah, blah, and a black woman.

[1553] Oh, you were talking about one of the movies, movie scenes.

[1554] He was in this with a black woman.

[1555] And when I heard it, when I was editing, I was like, I think I should take that out.

[1556] And I started to take it out.

[1557] And then I was like, why am I taking this out?

[1558] it's almost like colorblindness.

[1559] You know what I mean?

[1560] To be like, why do you have to say black woman?

[1561] You should just say woman.

[1562] But also like, no, she's a black woman.

[1563] Like, you can say that.

[1564] So I'm just confessing that I've come around on that.

[1565] Oh, okay.

[1566] And I've learned that, because I kind of used to be on that side a lot.

[1567] I'm like, you don't need to qualify.

[1568] And I still think in certain cases.

[1569] Absolutely.

[1570] If you go like, oh, I bumped into two guys at 7 -Eleven who had a car for sale, you don't need to say I bumped into two black.

[1571] guys who had a car for sale.

[1572] But if you're describing something in an effort to recount that person's memory, it is a completely relevant detail.

[1573] Yeah.

[1574] And to pretend it's not is that stupid colorblind thing.

[1575] Yeah, exactly.

[1576] Yeah, I think you're right.

[1577] Yeah, and actually, this is a tease, I guess I'll say.

[1578] But Kristen and I have a little side project for armchair that we're underarmchair that we're doing.

[1579] I'm super excited for you guys.

[1580] You came up with an awesome idea, which was shattered glass.

[1581] to celebrate some of the women who have been gangsters.

[1582] And we interviewed a person, and that person was awesome and said, you should say black person, Indian person, whatever.

[1583] She was like, but then, but like say white person too.

[1584] You could just, just, no one's saying take it away, but just do make it equal in the way you're describing.

[1585] I agree.

[1586] And I liked that.

[1587] Anyway, so I've turned a corner and I wanted to make that, no, no. Oh, well, welcome.

[1588] Do people know, right, that you are not only can play black, but should play black?

[1589] Do they know that?

[1590] It's so great.

[1591] But you went down to Florida in a nutshell, and you were very young, and a friend of a friend knew a casting director.

[1592] Very young.

[1593] I was, I just graduated high school, high school.

[1594] And you guys got to go meet with an agent or casting director.

[1595] She was very old.

[1596] Like an old producer even.

[1597] Well, okay, down in Florida.

[1598] Yeah.

[1599] And she was very, very old.

[1600] And she told Monica excitedly, you can, you could play black and you should.

[1601] Well, I added and you should.

[1602] I added that.

[1603] She didn't say that.

[1604] But she was encouraging me to explore all the colors of the rainbow because I could.

[1605] Oh, my God.

[1606] No, again, she didn't know what the fuck she was saying.

[1607] She did not.

[1608] She did not know.

[1609] And it's so funny.

[1610] I wonder if Callie, because I was with Callie, remembers her name.

[1611] She had a very specific name that we would refer to.

[1612] Was it show busy?

[1613] No. Like Carol Glitz or something?

[1614] I'll ask her if she remembers and I'll report back next time if she can remember.

[1615] So anyway, that's all.

[1616] That's all?

[1617] Yeah.

[1618] Okay.

[1619] Well, stay black.

[1620] Too much.

[1621] See, this is why I can't turn any corners.

[1622] With me around.

[1623] With Kristen around, you can.

[1624] You're safe to turn back.

[1625] many corners.

[1626] But with me, it's going to get dicey.

[1627] Stay my course.

[1628] All right.

[1629] I love you.

[1630] I love you.

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