Mandy Moore

[0] Welcome, welcome, welcome to armchair expert.

[1] I'm Dan Shepard.

[2] I'm joined by Mandy Mouse.

[3] Monday, Monday, Monday.

[4] There it is.

[5] There's the Easter egg.

[6] This was a fun episode.

[7] Absolutely, a real party.

[8] Mandy Moore.

[9] She's an actor.

[10] She's a singer.

[11] Of course, you love her from This Is Us.

[12] Everybody loves her from This Is Us.

[13] It's the most popular show ever.

[14] And we get into that.

[15] And we get into a lot of stuff.

[16] We have a shared history that's really fun.

[17] It's very fun.

[18] I had a fucking blast.

[19] 18 years ago, our paths crossed.

[20] And then look how the world brought you guys back together.

[21] I know.

[22] It was a miracle we're both sitting there.

[23] It really is.

[24] It's very sweet.

[25] She has a new album coming out on the 13th, just two seconds from now, called In Real Life.

[26] Now, even more exciting than, or equally exciting, she has a tour that starts on June 10th.

[27] So please, please, please fall in love with In Real Life and then go see her perform it with a whole bunch of talented accompanying musicians.

[28] Some of them she's sleeping with.

[29] Oh.

[30] Or one of them.

[31] I shouldn't say some.

[32] I don't want to imply anything crazy is going on.

[33] The tour starts June 10th.

[34] Go online and get yourself some tickets for that.

[35] And please enjoy Mandy Moore.

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[39] He's an armchair.

[40] We used to live right on Los Phyllis Boulevard.

[41] Oh, wow.

[42] So I would hike there nonstop, and every time I'd been hiking, I would just think like, oh, she lives there.

[43] Really?

[44] Yeah, because I walked by it so much.

[45] Okay, this is a mystery that I hope we solved by the end of this episode.

[46] I think we are going to.

[47] Maybe we saw each other hiking or something at some point?

[48] Very likely.

[49] I don't know.

[50] I mean, your street, that's what's...

[51] Yeah.

[52] And the exact house, pretty much.

[53] Yeah, you nailed it.

[54] All right, I'm just throwing things against a wall.

[55] But something like this, like, we had the same publicist.

[56] I had to drop them off or pick them up, or we had a mega person, or I don't know.

[57] There was some reason I know where you live.

[58] And now I feel very creepy.

[59] I think it's a repressed memory for both of you.

[60] Oh, my God.

[61] And it might get revealed.

[62] It's not the first, by the way.

[63] First repressed memory?

[64] It'll come up.

[65] It'll come up.

[66] We'll get there.

[67] We'll get there.

[68] Easter egg.

[69] God, dog it.

[70] That's an exciting Easter egg to try to figure.

[71] Yeah.

[72] I like it.

[73] I hope I'm not overly preoccupied with it during this.

[74] But we did live as the crow flies thousand yards apart.

[75] Yeah.

[76] I was there for 16 years.

[77] Yeah, I was there for 15 almost.

[78] Was it hard to leave there?

[79] No. Tell me why.

[80] You know when you're ready to move.

[81] I lived a lot of life there.

[82] I like, I bought that house when I was 18.

[83] Wow.

[84] Wow.

[85] That is so silly.

[86] You were a new person.

[87] I, yes.

[88] And so I was very much ready to leave it behind.

[89] But it also speaks to everyone's baggage, because I think you and I have pretty opposite backgrounds.

[90] By the time I was 12, I counted him up, probably like 10 houses I had lived in.

[91] So I'm the opposite.

[92] We lived in that house on Los Fills Boulevard, and I would have fucking died there.

[93] I wanted to die there.

[94] So why did you move?

[95] Because my wife, rightly so, wanted her dream house.

[96] There you go.

[97] Yes.

[98] So I was amenable to that.

[99] But I fought it forever.

[100] I'm like, what function is the house not serving?

[101] We can poop here.

[102] We can make food here.

[103] We shower here it's warm here like what is the new house gonna do that the current one's not doing functionally nothing but she probably wanted a project we all love a project yeah yeah yeah but at least from the outside you had a really pretty stable household growing up yeah i did captain don captain don't reliable motherfucker yeah 40 some years with american airlines captain don't he just retired really congratulations captain don yeah don where were you based uh i i grew up Orlando.

[104] He flew out of Miami, New York.

[105] It's so interesting, right?

[106] Orlando.

[107] I love Orlando.

[108] Why?

[109] Well, Disney.

[110] But we have Disney here.

[111] But hold on, hold on.

[112] Oh, I'll fight anyone who says us.

[113] Atlanta, Detroit.

[114] Yeah.

[115] So the mecca for everyone east of the Mississippi, right, is Orlando.

[116] Like, you're just praying.

[117] That's the vacation place.

[118] Vacation destination.

[119] That's right.

[120] That's right.

[121] Spent all my spring breaks there.

[122] My parents both were born and raised there.

[123] Oh, they were?

[124] Yeah.

[125] Like when it was Orange Groves, pre -Disney, obviously.

[126] Uh -huh.

[127] So that's why we grew up there.

[128] Also, I'd imagine there was a good hub for Don.

[129] Well, I mean, that's where he started his career, but then my parents moved to Chicago.

[130] I was born in New Hampshire.

[131] He, like, worked out of Boston, and then they were like, this is too cold for us, and they moved back down to Florida.

[132] Yeah.

[133] A lot of riffraff down there.

[134] Would you agree?

[135] In Florida?

[136] Yes.

[137] Yes.

[138] Correct.

[139] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[140] I have a whole thing.

[141] I think I'm like anecdotally.

[142] I just saw a segment that I've made the whole population.

[143] So all forgiveness is to Florida.

[144] But I also used to have to go to Seabreen, Florida, everything Thanksgiving, because I had my stepdad's parents lived there, so we would go there for that.

[145] And what I would run into, like, just bored cruising around shopping plazas was like other 16 -year -olds.

[146] And they all drove Mustangs.

[147] They all live with their grandparents.

[148] Sure.

[149] There's a lot of kids that were just sent to live with Grandma and Grandpa down in Florida.

[150] And that's where the riffraff comes from.

[151] Because Grandma and Grandma can't keep a great eye on a teen.

[152] Of course.

[153] They don't have the mobility or the energy.

[154] So can you attest to any of the riffraff that I speak of?

[155] Does that sound familiar to you?

[156] I mean, yes, it was in the periphery, but I did live this really sort of normal, idyllic, regular suburban childhood.

[157] Like Catholic school?

[158] I went to Catholic school.

[159] Yeah, I have an older and a younger brother, like soccer practice, cheerleading, minivans, like.

[160] Norman Rockwell?

[161] Kind of, yeah.

[162] How about the brothers, either of them get ensnared in any of the riffraff?

[163] No. Really?

[164] We're all too boring.

[165] God.

[166] I don't believe in Norman Rockwell.

[167] That's going to be the long -term goal of this.

[168] Let's just pave the path that, yeah, Catholic school, your parents stayed married.

[169] They're still married?

[170] No. Oh, okay.

[171] See?

[172] They're not there quick.

[173] I was like, just wait for it.

[174] Oh, great.

[175] What age?

[176] My parents got divorced when I was 21, 22.

[177] My mom fell in love with a woman.

[178] Boom!

[179] We love this.

[180] I knew it.

[181] And left to my father.

[182] Okay.

[183] And it was obviously a very tumultuous time in our family.

[184] Sure.

[185] Everybody was very surprised.

[186] But my mother and her partner are still together.

[187] Wonderful.

[188] My father met my now stepmom like maybe two years later and they've been together ever since.

[189] So it's like everyone ended up where they were supposed to.

[190] Oh, that's wonderful.

[191] I just had this conversation with someone and I think I also brought it up to you.

[192] Because I heard a similar story.

[193] Well, first, Rob McElhenney.

[194] Oh, yeah.

[195] You know Rob McElheny?

[196] Yeah, yeah.

[197] That's his story from childhood.

[198] His mother fell in love with a woman.

[199] Oh, wow.

[200] She says she's not lesbian, but her partner's gay as hell.

[201] My mom says the same thing.

[202] Really.

[203] I hate to out my mom in that sense, but she's like, I don't subscribe to labels, but she's been in love with this woman for, yeah, 15 years.

[204] So I was thinking about this whole paradigm of, like, leaving your partner, right?

[205] And when it's for someone of the same sex, it feels like less of a blow, right?

[206] It doesn't feel like, oh, they cheated.

[207] or, oh, my God, when you hear that story, you're like, oh, my God, good for them.

[208] Like, they figured themselves out and they found their best life.

[209] If it was your mom leaving your dad for a man, for the same reasons, let's say.

[210] I'm sure that would be a much more difficult pill to swallow for everybody.

[211] Yes, and it's just fascinating.

[212] It is because it could all still be for the same reasons, like authentically, like she's in love with this other person.

[213] Yeah.

[214] Okay, so that's a big ripple.

[215] That's a big ripple.

[216] Huge ripple.

[217] And you're so right.

[218] I'm like, great, I'm so glad for her.

[219] Me too.

[220] Yeah.

[221] And you like her.

[222] Love.

[223] I love who both of my parents are with.

[224] Yeah, it's like they get to live out this like next chapter of their lives.

[225] Authentically, they're happier, they're lighter.

[226] Like, my dad especially feels like this fully realized version of himself.

[227] Like, my parents were high school sweethearts.

[228] They were together when they were like 15 and married at 21.

[229] So it shouldn't be for everybody.

[230] Yeah.

[231] Well, also, a lot of people will evaluate.

[232] a marriage as having failed or succeeded based on do they die married.

[233] Yeah.

[234] But to me, two people who get together for 30 years and raise three children, that's a goddamn success.

[235] Two humans with different desires and points of view?

[236] That's a major success.

[237] Yes.

[238] I wholeheartedly agree.

[239] What was it like when she told you?

[240] Or did she sit everyone down?

[241] No, here's the devastating thing.

[242] We were all together on a family vacation.

[243] It was over Christmas.

[244] I had bought my mom and dad each a laptop for Christmas as a Christmas gift.

[245] And my mom was like, could you set my laptop up for me?

[246] Uh -oh.

[247] Uh -oh.

[248] Yes.

[249] I will never forget my parents were sitting across for me on a couch watching television.

[250] We're in some like rental house in Georgia.

[251] I'm setting up her computer and I'm going through the email.

[252] Like, and just sort of like inbox, outbox drafts or whatever, not even like spying.

[253] I wasn't remotely interested, but just sort of like clicking through everything.

[254] and I saw a glimpse of a draft of an email to myself and my brothers.

[255] And I quickly eyeballed it.

[256] I can imagine words jumping out.

[257] Jumping out.

[258] Of course, of course.

[259] Beautiful mind.

[260] Exactly.

[261] This is not the way I wanted to tell you, but I feel like this is an appropriate exercise of just like sharing what I've been going through for the past year.

[262] And I don't remember everything.

[263] But the bullet points of like, I fell in love and we were friends and I love your father very much and I quickly closed the laptop once I got like the gist of what the email was about and I ran upstairs and my younger brother was up there and I told him everything.

[264] Oh wow you ratted her out the second you had to get it out.

[265] I needed someone on my side to sort of know what was going on and he was like don't say anything because dad is clearly like really soaking in this last family vacation.

[266] Don't ruin it for him.

[267] Like, let's figure out, like, a plan of attack once this vacation is over.

[268] My younger brother, obviously, had a cooler head because I was ready to, like...

[269] You were going to probably imagine confront her.

[270] Confront her and in front of my dad.

[271] Like, I just, I was vibrating with anxiety and adrenaline and...

[272] Was the immediate reaction, I'm guessing, panicked for dad?

[273] Panicked for dad.

[274] Okay.

[275] A little angry, mom?

[276] Quite angry.

[277] Betrayed.

[278] I was 22, 23, so I didn't even have, like, the emotional vocabulary to really understand what I was feeling.

[279] And I think, like, most people whose parents are still together at that age, like, I really took a certain amount of pride in them still being together.

[280] Sure.

[281] And this just, like, shattered my illusions of my identity of what my family was and who I was in my family.

[282] And so, yeah, I did take a step back and listen to my brother Kyle and didn't end up saying anything to her for a good week.

[283] Like, once vacation was over and everyone had sort of gone their separate ways and my mom was is going to spend like New Year's Eve with some friends.

[284] Well, things start making sense immediately, right?

[285] Of course.

[286] Like, oh, right, she went to Sedona twice this year.

[287] By the way, they lived in Sedona.

[288] Are you kidding me?

[289] Are you kidding me?

[290] They lived in Sedona for like a decade.

[291] Oh, my God.

[292] It's a great place.

[293] It's the best.

[294] Especially for lovers.

[295] Yeah.

[296] But I can only imagine how fucking preoccupied you must have been through Christmas.

[297] Like I imagine every breakfast that would have been so normal.

[298] Oh, yeah.

[299] You're like staring off.

[300] blankly and...

[301] Or just watching my dad.

[302] Yeah.

[303] Yeah, yeah.

[304] I felt like this real sense of guardianship over him.

[305] And once I had that information, I was like, oh, it's so patently clear that he's suffering and he's just trying to enjoy this vacation and take stock of everything and take it all in.

[306] But he was in it.

[307] So he didn't know yet himself.

[308] No, he did.

[309] Sorry, guys.

[310] Sorry, I'm just hearing all the dirty and all right.

[311] But I think my mom sort of told him right.

[312] Before their 30th wedding anniversary.

[313] Okay, okay.

[314] Just sort of let the cat out of the bag and had to sort of figure things out, yeah.

[315] She's brave.

[316] Very brave.

[317] I'm going to commend her because do you watch Dateline?

[318] I have.

[319] Okay.

[320] Often people in this situation are like, it's just too hard to tell this person.

[321] I'm going to kill him.

[322] I mean, that's how much people don't want to tell that news to their partner.

[323] It's the most common motivation on Dateline.

[324] If someone is having an affair, they just don't want to own it.

[325] It's so true.

[326] I was watching so much Dayline with my mom when I was home last.

[327] Like, we watched like 14 episodes.

[328] She can't stop.

[329] I know.

[330] Every episode, we're like, why don't they just get divorced?

[331] Although then there is all the money.

[332] Sometimes there's money.

[333] Yeah.

[334] But often, they don't want to deal with it.

[335] They're too afraid.

[336] Well, so I commend her for that.

[337] I do.

[338] I really do.

[339] Or look, there's other ways.

[340] So there's like people purposely get caught.

[341] People kill each other.

[342] There's a lot of options on the table.

[343] There's two.

[344] Or you're honest.

[345] Or you live with it as a lie forever.

[346] Yeah.

[347] She chose the hardest route.

[348] I absolutely agree.

[349] And having to, like, tell your children, your whole family, like who you are, what choice you're making.

[350] Absolutely.

[351] Again, if it was for a 27 -year -old tennis pro male, it's a different.

[352] Now, I'm probably not saying brave.

[353] And it's silly.

[354] Anywho.

[355] I know, but that's what's so interesting.

[356] It is.

[357] It is.

[358] But looking back, do you feel like, oh, not like in the, quote, a fair part, but just, like, over your life, are you like, I guess it makes sense or not?

[359] Not really, no. Just all the trips she was taking with her pal.

[360] Yeah.

[361] I feel like it maybe had something to do with the fact that, like, the kids were grown.

[362] We were all living our lives.

[363] And, like, she sort of had her autonomy back.

[364] And probably a big hole.

[365] Yeah.

[366] Captain Down's jetting all over the place.

[367] He's busy.

[368] For sure, for sure.

[369] And so maybe she had some time to really think about, like, who am I?

[370] What do I want out of my life and came to this choice?

[371] I've fulfilled my primary obligation.

[372] Absolutely.

[373] All out of the house.

[374] And now what do I want?

[375] Yeah, who am I?

[376] Yeah, yeah.

[377] I'm a stargazer in Sedona.

[378] I feel like I have shame around my reaction to it because it came at a time in my life where I had a lot of work on my plate.

[379] And I just sort of put my head in the sand and focused on my work and sort of was like, mom, I need to table this with you.

[380] I'm going to compartmentalize how I feel about everything.

[381] And I'll get back to you in the situation when I feel like I'm able to deal with it.

[382] So I kind of put that and her on ice for like a year.

[383] Oh, wow.

[384] And I have a lot of regret because it fundamentally changed like the landscape of our relationship.

[385] To this day, I love my mom, but I started in this business when I was 15.

[386] And my parents are incredible.

[387] I had her or my dad with me all the time.

[388] And someone who wasn't with me was home with my younger brother.

[389] And so like at a time being a teenager when I should have been rebelling and sort of icing my parents, my parents were sort of my best friends.

[390] Yeah, they're your life ref in a very heightened, crazy, hard to comprehend experience for a 15 year old.

[391] Exactly.

[392] Yeah.

[393] So I want to get to the 15 year old you, but you're in Orlando.

[394] Does that help you think like show businesses in the realm of possibility?

[395] Because I'm always shocked when people are young and not from California that they find their way, like Josh Hutcherson.

[396] He's in northern Kentucky.

[397] Wow.

[398] How the fuck does a kid in Northern Kentucky decide he's going to act?

[399] I don't know.

[400] It's interesting.

[401] Yeah.

[402] I mean, I guess knowing that there was the option, because there was some semblance of a business.

[403] I didn't know anything about that.

[404] But, like, Orlando still had, like, I did some local commercials.

[405] And, like, there was some, like, Nickelodeon stuff happening there.

[406] Isn't Disney's Mouse house there?

[407] It is there.

[408] The Disney Club.

[409] The Mickey Mouse Clubhouse.

[410] But I never watched that.

[411] So I had no idea that all those young talented people were right in my backyard.

[412] And then soon to be your direct competition.

[413] I know.

[414] And then also all the.

[415] Boy bands were getting assembled generally in Orlando, right?

[416] Yeah, which is funny because when I did end up signing a record deal, which is a weird, crazy story.

[417] It's an impossible story.

[418] This is the number one story that I read that I was like, something stinks in this story.

[419] First of all, you get interested in it.

[420] You start singing, you go to this camp, stage door manor where Natalie Portman went.

[421] So this is in New York.

[422] So you convince your parents to let you go up to New York for a sleepway theater camp.

[423] Did you go there because you knew she had gone there?

[424] Were you?

[425] No, but we were campers at the same time.

[426] Oh, fun.

[427] Yeah, I remember people were like, she's a movie star.

[428] She's in this movie called The Professional.

[429] And I'm like, 12.

[430] So I was like, what?

[431] I don't know what that is.

[432] Yeah, and they were saying she was a movie star.

[433] Totally.

[434] And I was like, that's cool.

[435] They were.

[436] They were.

[437] Holy shit, were they right.

[438] Yes, they were.

[439] They nailed that one.

[440] So, okay, then we fast forward to, so you've committed yourself to music.

[441] Yeah.

[442] I was a dorky theater kid, and I used to love singing the national anthem.

[443] Never again.

[444] I'm done with that patriotic part of my life But I would go with my pitch pipe Because I saw a little like 12 year old girl do it At a magic game I was at a magic game with my dad And I'm like, what?

[445] Orlando Magic, not a magic show Oh my God I was like this She's calling it a game Shikil O 'Neill O 'Neill Penny Hardaway days Yeah yeah yeah and I didn't even know That was an option So I was like can we figure out How I could maybe audition to do this I sent in a tape I got asked to sing at the Orlando Magic And then from that asked to do like the arena football and the roller hockey and ice hockey.

[446] So I sort of made my rounds doing the national hands.

[447] Now objectively.

[448] Wow.

[449] Because at the time, you're not aware of this.

[450] But now that we're all old.

[451] Yeah.

[452] Cuteness is a huge component of this, why they let people do this.

[453] For sure.

[454] What would you actually rate your actual skill level at that time singing the song out of ten?

[455] Great.

[456] That's plenty.

[457] If you're cute and you're a five.

[458] It was probably higher than that.

[459] I haven't watched, but if memory serves me, it was.

[460] Oh, God.

[461] If there's video, we'll play it on the fact check.

[462] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[463] Were you trying anything fancy or straight up the middle?

[464] Just straight up the middle.

[465] Sure.

[466] In fact, were you maybe imitating one you had heard that you liked, like a version?

[467] I'm sure.

[468] I'm sure.

[469] I just kept it simple.

[470] I'd never had any of the little vocal trills.

[471] So I was like, let's just stick to the straight melody.

[472] I mean, that's a hard song to hold on.

[473] It's a full octave.

[474] It's crazy.

[475] I've also heard it a million times and I only know like seven words in it.

[476] It feels like a hard song to memorize, doesn't it?

[477] Weird words.

[478] It's like an old Englishy kind of stuff.

[479] Yeah, the lyrics aren't.

[480] They're not ideal.

[481] Top of mind, yeah.

[482] So being at a game, singing the National Anthem is what caught the ear of these two producer guys who beckoned my dad and I over.

[483] Super creepy.

[484] They're like, we work at a studio if you would like to pay for studio time.

[485] We have some original songs and perhaps we could all work together and you could send them off to a record label.

[486] What?

[487] I was like, what an interesting proposition.

[488] They're hustlers.

[489] Total hustlers.

[490] I'm 13 at this point.

[491] And I think, oh, okay, my parents are like, if you want to use some of the money that you've earned in, like, local commercials to spend, like, a week in a studio during summer vacation, let's do it.

[492] Yeah.

[493] So I did.

[494] My parents were there.

[495] By the way, this is where the crazy story starts.

[496] That wasn't the crazy story.

[497] So I'm in the studio recording this demo.

[498] By the way, again, I don't know what I'm doing.

[499] I've never been in a studio.

[500] I've never worn headphones.

[501] Like, the whole thing is just completely foreign.

[502] You always feels like, pretend.

[503] Yes.

[504] I was like, oh, I'm like Madonna or Bet Midler.

[505] That was my touchstone as a kid.

[506] And I just remember spending a couple days in the studio not knowing what I was doing.

[507] And this guy?

[508] Not a guy.

[509] A gentleman.

[510] A FedEx.

[511] Yeah, a gentleman who worked for FedEx.

[512] What?

[513] Yeah.

[514] Yeah.

[515] No. Buckle the fuck up.

[516] Had a friend of a friend of a friend who was like the head of A &R at Epic records in New York and he's like I can get this tape to this guy and let me be clear this is a gentleman dropping off a package yeah it's not a friend of the engineer he's not been asked to come there and over I don't even know the motherfucker overheard studio shit when dropping off a package I guess because he's like always at the studio comes and it's like oh what's that oh my gosh like he did me the biggest favor and sent this demo off to this guy who heard something that he liked somehow I don't know how he had signed I'm the backstreet boys and had subsequently moved over to Sony.

[517] He flew to Orlando.

[518] I had a meeting with him.

[519] I sang a song live for him.

[520] This is a movie.

[521] This would be like a 90s Disney movie.

[522] And I was it.

[523] This is like finding out you're a princess.

[524] Here are my two major, major issues with this story.

[525] Now, I take it to be a factual story.

[526] I'm not actually challenging the history of what happened.

[527] I don't understand a FedEx guy who's just that benevolent.

[528] I've just not met those people.

[529] I know I'm a skeptical person.

[530] But he did end up getting like a finder's fee and like they took care of him.

[531] And I think he then decided to like maybe try to be a talent scout.

[532] Like there's something that happened in his life.

[533] Okay.

[534] So maybe now that helps.

[535] Yeah, yeah.

[536] Maybe that was his ultimate goal.

[537] Sure.

[538] And so he's like, oh, fuck it.

[539] FedEx.

[540] I get in the door.

[541] I start sniffing around.

[542] I know so and so.

[543] Who knows so and so?

[544] Maybe I can put all these pieces together.

[545] That makes a little sense.

[546] But just in general, let's say.

[547] Yeah.

[548] A grown man, I'm assuming he was an adult.

[549] He was working for FedEx.

[550] taking a huge interest in a 13 -year -old the overheard singing, that's a red flag for me. Like, if my daughter is somewhere and the FedEx guy is like, she's special.

[551] I'm like, yeah, keep it moving, partner.

[552] He did a huge favor for me. His name is Victor Cade.

[553] Oh, we know his name.

[554] Again, he did something incredible.

[555] It's just hard for me to believe anyone would do that.

[556] Okay, part two.

[557] I'm a real deal laying our guy.

[558] I work at Epic.

[559] Mike's cousin's Tony had drinks with Victor Cade who has a tape.

[560] that's going to be sent to...

[561] I am never listening to this tape.

[562] Why did he listen to the tape?

[563] I have zero idea, Dad.

[564] You must believe in God.

[565] I don't, because none of the shit like this ever happened to me, but how do you explain?

[566] Simulation.

[567] It's wild.

[568] God, you have to thank my dad.

[569] You have a lot to thank you.

[570] You owe her father a thank you letter.

[571] Okay, yeah.

[572] Because we're living in his simulation.

[573] Oh, okay, okay.

[574] Well, yes.

[575] Yeah.

[576] We owe him everything.

[577] All praise be to a show.

[578] Okay.

[579] So that's a fucking head scratcher of a story.

[580] I know.

[581] Okay.

[582] Now I want to get to my second huge curiosity.

[583] So you're clearly a good girl.

[584] I guess, yeah.

[585] Yeah.

[586] And you were in a Catholic school when this transition happened.

[587] You go on tour.

[588] Healthy, wonderful, talented, beautiful.

[589] Well, I just wonder if we should kind of move away from like good girl back.

[590] Well, I don't want to for this reason.

[591] A better way to say it would be like you weren't in a single household with drug addict.

[592] that were in and out of the house and seeing people fucking away.

[593] You were naive to a lot of the gnarliness of life.

[594] Sure.

[595] You go on tour at 15 with InSync.

[596] Yep.

[597] Okay.

[598] You must have loved Insync.

[599] Loved.

[600] A fan.

[601] Watching them on TRL.

[602] Before Victor delivers that copy toner that was ordered.

[603] Life changing, yes.

[604] So you find yourself on tour, and I assume it's like an arena tour or something, or something large, big venues?

[605] It was an outdoor amphitheater tour with InSink.

[606] Okay.

[607] Now, I don't want to get a tour.

[608] sued by anyone in sync but here's my guess the in sync guys are up there they're nice boys they're but they're fucking they're drinking they're 20 year old 19 18 yeah like on top of the world right kings of the universe yeah when you arrived were you a little bit like oh no these boys are naughty i was kept so separate from them you are oh my god i was the little tiny opening act they probably had zero idea that i was even on tour with them or who i was or any of that Okay, now, and this wouldn't be unique to you, of the many people I've asked us that have been on the show, almost all of them have experienced it, myself included, is inferiority complex or fraudulentness.

[609] Was that their terms?

[610] Yeah, like imposter's imposter's in them.

[611] Like, you find yourself in an outdoor thing months after Victor Cade walks through the door.

[612] I cannot.

[613] It's so awesome.

[614] Are you like, what is happening?

[615] Am I dreaming?

[616] That must be the most surreal experience ever.

[617] Completely.

[618] It still feels surreal.

[619] to think back to it.

[620] What kind of thoughts were you having?

[621] Like, you must have had to steal yourself and go like, no, for me to do a good job right now, I have to believe I belong here.

[622] Oh, I definitely wrestled.

[623] I still do every day with imposter syndrome.

[624] But, I mean, I think I was so in the moment and caught up in the excitement of it.

[625] Like, I was very well aware of how lucky I was to be in that position.

[626] But also, I was like, I'm going to just take advantage of it.

[627] Like, I'm going to really live and be present and enjoy it.

[628] And I did.

[629] You had already saying a handful of times.

[630] in front of like 40 ,000 people.

[631] Sure, but also the benefit of being a young person is you don't know what you don't know.

[632] Like, I didn't know enough to be nervous and terrified.

[633] I think back to, like, months after that, opening up for the Backstreet Boys on their arena tour with like 20 ,000 girls with glow sticks.

[634] And I had not a drop of fear.

[635] I would walk on stage, like nothing with my microphone and my backup dancers, and I would just do my 20 -minute set.

[636] Now I would poop myself.

[637] Yeah.

[638] In fact, when you do your live show, coming out.

[639] Someone may have witnessed that.

[640] So buy tickets now.

[641] It just might happen.

[642] Might happen.

[643] But you're so right.

[644] And actually, I do think I'm the type of 15 year old that would have been like, that's right.

[645] It's time to go because you don't have a different experience being 15 where you weren't like that.

[646] For sure.

[647] There's no other gear.

[648] You're like, okay, this is what I'm doing now.

[649] We talk about this all the time.

[650] Did you watch Last Dance, the Michael Jordan?

[651] Oh, yes.

[652] Oh, okay.

[653] So in my opinion, he's at UNC, he's a tar heel.

[654] And he makes the big shot, right?

[655] And it's the finals of March Madness, whatever.

[656] I'm not saying any of it.

[657] Right.

[658] But the point is, is he made the shot in college, the most important shot of the year.

[659] He made it.

[660] I really believe he doesn't make that shot.

[661] He has a much different career.

[662] He made the shot.

[663] And for the rest of his life, he'll know he can make the shot.

[664] So in some way, I think your confidence must have been just like, luckily it went well the first time you sang in front of all those people.

[665] And then you're like, it goes well when I do this.

[666] Yeah, because it puts you on that trajectory.

[667] Yes.

[668] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[669] Absolutely.

[670] You're Michael Jordan.

[671] Wow.

[672] Sure It's the first time And only time Vicky Cade Might want to think About scouting basketball Too Now, okay So the insane thing Was just that But now the back street boys Were you a little more immersed In the goings -on Of that tour?

[673] No, I was just a kid And they were older Than me They again Probably had no idea That I was on the road With them even Okay At that point You're walking out In the arena Yes And you're not like I gotta get Who's in that one Nick Carter AJ Oh AJ Howie.

[674] Isn't there, Brian?

[675] And Kevin.

[676] Good job.

[677] You're welcome.

[678] Did you have a curse in any of those guys coming into it?

[679] All of them.

[680] Every one of them.

[681] Oh, yeah.

[682] Did you not try to like get to them?

[683] No. You didn't.

[684] Because they were all so much older.

[685] How old were they?

[686] It's like being a freshman versus like, I don't know, like a senior in college.

[687] Oh, okay.

[688] I don't know what their ages were.

[689] I don't know.

[690] There was a huge gap.

[691] Were you inviting friends of yours to come with you?

[692] I wasn't even, no. Just mom and dad and I had like four backup dancers, four sweet.

[693] gentlemen behind me. They were doing the dancing because I'm the worst dancer in the world.

[694] So I just, like, we had our own little crew and it was great.

[695] Yeah, yeah.

[696] Oh, my God.

[697] Who assembled this?

[698] A record label.

[699] The guy from Epic, yeah.

[700] Yeah.

[701] He's like, we're bringing in dancers.

[702] Yes.

[703] You're working with a choreographer.

[704] We're bringing in four beef cakes.

[705] You just sing.

[706] Don't dance.

[707] Yeah.

[708] That was discovered.

[709] I got to tell you one of the funniest things that happened to me this morning is I was like looking at what you're promoting as I do for a guest.

[710] and then I saw all live to her and I was like, this is so nuts.

[711] Oh, she's gone into singing.

[712] That's great, though, isn't it?

[713] Yeah, I love that.

[714] Yeah.

[715] I met her as a singer.

[716] Like, if anyone should know that you're a singer, it would be me for our shared experience.

[717] We'll get to.

[718] Yes.

[719] At her house, that is why you know where her house is?

[720] That's the second shared experience.

[721] We'll get to that.

[722] We might get to that in a fact check, honestly, next week.

[723] That is so wild about identity, I think.

[724] It's like, I actually was like, oh right she was a singer first i totally remember everything but just for the last 10 years i think that as a real compliment i thought you would yeah you flip flop back and forth between singing acting singing acting right so me i flip flop back and forth writer actor writer actor and then podcaster i love having something that when things aren't going my way i can just focus on another thing i have more control over yes has been a little safety net absolutely music has always been that for me it's like i know it's my creative catharsis and outlets and i have it there I don't have to rely on it for anything other than that.

[725] And you don't need nine people to tell you you can go in your basement and record a song.

[726] Exactly.

[727] Yeah.

[728] And I don't need anyone to tell me I can sit in a typewriter and write a script.

[729] It's very empowering.

[730] Very empowering.

[731] Yeah.

[732] You become a singer.

[733] You're on the scene.

[734] I want to like now fast forward to the first song.

[735] What is it?

[736] Candy, candy.

[737] Okay.

[738] Let's take a pause right now.

[739] You're three years younger than Mandy.

[740] I mean, it's crazy because she was an adult to you.

[741] Yeah.

[742] Okay, so hit me with what grade you were in.

[743] I'm an adult, but like famous.

[744] You were a famous person on my TV.

[745] Which makes you an adult in a way.

[746] When you're famous, right?

[747] Yeah, yeah, totally.

[748] Okay, so you're what grade when you hear candy?

[749] Or had you been at a Backstreet Boys concert that she opened up for?

[750] Oh, I wish.

[751] My first concert was Britney Spears, but you were like that era.

[752] I was running on my heels, yeah, yeah.

[753] Yeah, so it was like Brittany and Christina and Mandy.

[754] It was all at the same time.

[755] So I would have been middle school.

[756] into high school.

[757] Yeah.

[758] And what did you think?

[759] I mean, I loved it.

[760] I loved Candy.

[761] Also, you guys are similar if I can be so dangerous as to suggest.

[762] In what way?

[763] Good girls.

[764] Follow the rules.

[765] Are you still that way?

[766] Less so.

[767] Oh, good.

[768] But still in my core.

[769] So I was super into all the pop music.

[770] Yeah, I bet.

[771] I'm trying to think, like, Candy was probably even in one of our, like, routines.

[772] Yeah.

[773] I'm sure.

[774] Oh, my God.

[775] Oh, my God.

[776] So excited.

[777] Yeah.

[778] But you were different.

[779] I mean, everyone was different.

[780] Everyone had their own lane a little bit.

[781] I would say have the three of you.

[782] You can't leave about Jessica Simpson either.

[783] Yes.

[784] And you could almost do a continuum.

[785] It was like, Aguilera was the baddest girl, sexy songs.

[786] Videos are naughty.

[787] Right.

[788] Brittany was like the lesser naughty than Jessica.

[789] And then you were the nicest.

[790] Is that a continuum we would agree with?

[791] I mean, I guess I was the youngest.

[792] And hadn't even French kissed a boy.

[793] Like, I didn't know anything about anything.

[794] But I don't know that, like, Brittany had either.

[795] She was placed in that lane.

[796] And whether it was intentional or not, which my guess is it wasn't, it seemed like you were a little bit in opposition.

[797] Yeah, it wasn't intentional.

[798] I felt lucky that I knew that I was my record labels answered to those girls.

[799] Yeah.

[800] But nobody was saying, oh, this is the lane you should stick to.

[801] It was just like, wear what you want.

[802] And sure, we'll help you, like, navigate and find songs and whatnot.

[803] But nobody was sort of media training me to do one thing or say one thing.

[804] So I was kind of just left to be myself, which was great.

[805] They probably assess that you were innately and inherently who you were.

[806] Yeah.

[807] And that you didn't need a ton of guidance to.

[808] I guess as much as a 15 -year -old can know who they are.

[809] Yeah.

[810] But I think just being 15 makes you innocent enough.

[811] And maybe because of Brittany and stuff, like they saw like, oh, that's one thing.

[812] That's Elaine checked off.

[813] Counter -narrative or something.

[814] Yeah.

[815] Yeah, another option.

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[836] Let's go to Pondt.

[837] Oh, sure.

[838] Okay, so this is where Mandy and I met Yes So this would be 2003, I'm guessing Yes Okay, so you're 19 or 20 then Yeah Monica, I don't know if you remember this episode I don't for some reason Because I watched it It was dramatic Of all the things we did It's actually my favorite gag we ever did It's the only one I ever laughed While it was happening You did, you broke I had to turn away from her and act Like I was crying Because I was laughing so fucking hair Because it was so over the top Walk everyone through like From what you were told You were there for You're so young.

[839] I was so young.

[840] Wilmer had something to do with it, right?

[841] Are you dating Wilmer?

[842] I was dating Wilmer or maybe we weren't dating anymore.

[843] We were still friends.

[844] Yeah.

[845] And Coucher and he were best friends.

[846] Yes, obviously from the 70s show.

[847] And so he's like, can you help with this home makeover show?

[848] Okay.

[849] An MTV home makeover show.

[850] Okay, sure.

[851] I had an MTV relationship and I was like, yeah, that's okay, sure.

[852] Like, this sounds strange.

[853] So my spidey senses were telling me something was heightened.

[854] Something was a little off, but I couldn't.

[855] obviously place what it was.

[856] I never in a million years would have thought it was a weird.

[857] Oh, okay.

[858] It was a weird ask getting to like the site where this house was.

[859] It was a mobile home.

[860] It was a mobile home.

[861] And I was like, okay, how exactly do you do like, you know, a home makeover in this particular situation?

[862] Like I was really curious what the logistics were going to be.

[863] It was a mobile home just kind of the side of the highway.

[864] It was kind of up by six flags if I remember.

[865] Yes.

[866] It was like Santa Clarita area.

[867] Yes, yes.

[868] Oh, my God.

[869] And it was really hot, I remember.

[870] Yes.

[871] And also, like, as you're pulling up, my first thought of fire where you was like, where do you start?

[872] Get off the side of the highway.

[873] You live in a gravel yard.

[874] Let's move locations, right?

[875] Yes, yes, yes.

[876] That would make you inherently happy.

[877] Yes.

[878] But you met me because you were the homeowner.

[879] And I had my same look as the Nick Lechay thing.

[880] I had, like, long hair and a cut off t -shirt.

[881] Yeah, it was like a mullet.

[882] Yeah, I had a mullet under a hat.

[883] Yep.

[884] That's the role you were born to play.

[885] Really gregarious, real over the top.

[886] Right, so let, okay, that's what I want to ask.

[887] I guess I want to know what it would be like to meet that person.

[888] Just scary.

[889] I was just confused.

[890] I was confused by the whole situation.

[891] The home, who you were, why you were participating.

[892] Yeah, why would I be doing a makeover show?

[893] What a great question.

[894] This guy doesn't even watch TV.

[895] I was like, how are we going to do anything for this guy?

[896] Like, I was genuinely like, I don't understand the logistics.

[897] Like, how are we actually going to do anything in this house?

[898] Like, there's nothing to work with.

[899] There's nothing to work with.

[900] And you're probably panicking, like, I'm going to fail at this.

[901] Yes.

[902] And how much of a time commitment is this?

[903] Right.

[904] Right.

[905] I was like, I'm going to take to redo this place.

[906] Like, how do I get out of this situation?

[907] Oh, my God.

[908] Did you have a girlfriend or a wife?

[909] Or was just you?

[910] I don't remember.

[911] I think in theory, but they weren't there.

[912] Nobody else was there.

[913] It was just you kind of giving me the help home tour.

[914] In my trailer.

[915] Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[916] And then there was a. crane overhead, right?

[917] They're a huge crane overhead with the biggest steel I beam you've ever fucking seen.

[918] It was like a 40 foot long multiple ton steel girder.

[919] And basically after some bullshit about what we're going to do to revamp the place.

[920] And we're outside of the house, obviously.

[921] We ask her to give a big thumbs up to start the remodel.

[922] No. And she gives a big thumbs up in the fucking crane operator.

[923] We got a camera on and he's like, what?

[924] And then he drops the girder and it fucking pancakeed this house.

[925] I mean, if that had been real, I can't even imagine what you felt like, like, oh, my God, the house is gone.

[926] I never forget.

[927] You were like, what you do?

[928] And I was like, immediately.

[929] Blame me. Oh, my God.

[930] And I was mortified.

[931] What did you do?

[932] And then I'm intermittently, like, laughing so hysterically.

[933] I have to turn, and then I'm coming back, like, I'm crying.

[934] I have to watch this.

[935] Oh, my God.

[936] I feel like I need to rewatch it as well.

[937] I don't know that anything's worth watching other than when she gives a thumbs up, and then the fucking house is completely pancakeed.

[938] It was so over the top.

[939] You ruined that man's house with one thumbs up.

[940] His life vanished.

[941] Okay.

[942] Like, when Ashton was at those things, it was great.

[943] Yeah.

[944] Because he would run out.

[945] Yeah.

[946] And they, he'd go, I got a new shoe.

[947] show and you've been on it.

[948] People were generally excited to see him.

[949] When he wasn't there, which this was the case, I had to tell people, don't worry, you've just been punked, what's punked?

[950] Oh, it's a show that's coming out maybe in six months.

[951] Yeah, you know, on MTV, no one knows what, why they just wasted all this time.

[952] And then so I remember in that one, I had to play on a jam box of pre -recorded Ashton going, hey, Mandy, you've just been punked, a word you've never heard.

[953] There's no relief, basically, when he wasn't there.

[954] What did I just do?

[955] What happened?

[956] Yeah, it just makes everything worse, worse, and more confusing.

[957] What was the right home like?

[958] You're just trying to put together everything that just happened, I guess?

[959] Reeling.

[960] Yeah, I was elated because, like, what a thing to do.

[961] That is a really good setup.

[962] It is.

[963] Well, just, you know, to start the construction, we just need something for the camera.

[964] It just, you know, but we had to make her do a hand signal, basically, that the crane operator misinterpreted has dropped the steel girder on top of the house.

[965] So that was so fun.

[966] That was so fun.

[967] I'm even trying to think of them when the next time I would have seen you in real life.

[968] Do you say after these, are you like, I'm sorry or no?

[969] Yeah, I felt bad for you.

[970] Fuck, if I'm being totally honest, it was a mix.

[971] It was a mix of you're a young person.

[972] I was 28.

[973] You were, let's say you were 20.

[974] Some 10 % thought, I wonder if this girl and I will like start dating after this.

[975] Oh, wow, the honesty.

[976] Oh, wow.

[977] Wow.

[978] Yeah, just to be a thousand percent.

[979] Sure, sure, sure.

[980] Yeah.

[981] I get it.

[982] I'm like, I'm just getting my first shot.

[983] That's an exciting opportunity.

[984] That's hilarious.

[985] Yeah, but it's just a can.

[986] It's a 10 % thought.

[987] You're about to meet someone.

[988] You're meeting someone new and interesting and cool who's famous.

[989] And who knows?

[990] Crazyer things have happened.

[991] Crazier things have happened.

[992] You know, within 10 minutes of working together, I'm like, that's a ridiculous thought.

[993] Or are you also like, well, she'll hate me. I mean, there's no way I could date someone after this because that person will hate me. This will point to my arrogance.

[994] That wouldn't be a problem.

[995] Like, oh, Oh, wow, we just shared this crazy experience.

[996] That could be a jumping off point.

[997] Oh, yeah, sure.

[998] We certainly have something to talk about.

[999] Something that's broken the ice and the long.

[1000] It's a great story.

[1001] Yeah, it's a great first story.

[1002] How did you guys meet?

[1003] She's flat in my house.

[1004] But then, yeah, I think I guess I would see you around a bit because I then was hanging out with Ash and a lot.

[1005] You were immersed in that world as well.

[1006] Okay, so right out of the gate, you wanted to act and sing.

[1007] Ideally, you probably would have gone to musical theater school.

[1008] For sure.

[1009] That was the plan.

[1010] end up in New York, hopefully do Broadway.

[1011] Yes.

[1012] That was the dream.

[1013] Yes.

[1014] And I'm going to include Kristen into this, too.

[1015] Again, rule follower.

[1016] So I've been triggered throughout my life by people back up.

[1017] Divorced, three kids, single mom, never home, all the neighbors married.

[1018] I felt less than.

[1019] And so the artist I've always liked are other fucked up people.

[1020] And then I've been resentful at people that seem to just be good people that are succeeding.

[1021] I'm not resentful at you, but I'm curious, does it work the other way?

[1022] Do you hate when someone's getting a ton of attention just because they're trashy or they were super provocative and they didn't really have any substance?

[1023] There's no people you tend to get annoyed with professionally.

[1024] I don't want names.

[1025] I'm just wondering, is there an archetype that rubs you the wrong way?

[1026] Not really.

[1027] That's so nice.

[1028] That's, I guess, what I would expect.

[1029] Because it doesn't affect you.

[1030] No, it's like, yeah, there's room for everybody.

[1031] So, like, when you think of Amy Winehouse, what do you think?

[1032] Oh, tragedy.

[1033] Yeah, like heartbreaking.

[1034] Heartbreak, like gone too soon, just an enormous talent, not being able to be fully realized because of that pain and trauma.

[1035] Do you think people are just genetically good or that's a bad way to say because I don't think anyone's bad.

[1036] You three, and I'm counting Kristen to this, it seems like a little effortless for her to follow the rules for lack of a better term.

[1037] And it seems almost impossible for me to do that.

[1038] Yeah.

[1039] Do you think it's genetic or it's nurture?

[1040] I think it's nurture, I think.

[1041] What do you think, Monica?

[1042] I think it's probably more nurture than nature, but I also don't think it's true.

[1043] Like, there can be an illusion of, like, quote, goodness, but it doesn't mean there's perfection.

[1044] And I don't think there is.

[1045] There's so many archetypes we could point to really quickly and easily, which is like Taylor Swift and Miley Cyrus, both coming out at the exact same time.

[1046] One being more visually provocative, Miley Cyrus.

[1047] and then parents guiding their children towards Taylor Swift and away from Miley Cyrus.

[1048] And then Miley Cyrus, ironically, is someone who, like, very much wanted to be married and was married for a long time.

[1049] It's not the thing that the parents are afraid of, in truth.

[1050] It's like the presentation of it is, like, somehow scary.

[1051] Interesting.

[1052] There's a lot of these archetypes, right?

[1053] I'm curious, like, if you're in that lane, it christen's in it, you're in it, whoever else you want to put in it, Taylor Swift in it.

[1054] Does it actually make it more scary to fuck up or do you not think about it?

[1055] I don't think about it.

[1056] No. Like when you got divorced, where you're like, oh, fuck, this is going to.

[1057] No, not at all.

[1058] Oh, good.

[1059] That's great.

[1060] Very healthy.

[1061] All my assumptions are wrong.

[1062] This is good.

[1063] No, I think in that situation, it was just like I was so relieved to have finally found a way out.

[1064] I had no other notions of what the world's perception of me would be, simply having like divorcee attached to my identity or something.

[1065] But did it feel like a personal failure?

[1066] No. Okay, good.

[1067] No, not at all.

[1068] And maybe that was helped by seeing my parents and having lived through that.

[1069] I do wonder how they stayed.

[1070] Because my mom who's bizarrely confident in who she is, she's a gangster, started her own business, built her own house.

[1071] She stayed married to a fucking asshole for years who was physically abusive.

[1072] And when I interviewed her, I said, it's so not in keeping with your personality.

[1073] to have been with someone like that.

[1074] And she said it was the shame of having failed a second time at it.

[1075] Like literally that's what kept me in is that shame was more painful than the other stuff.

[1076] And so, yeah, I wonder if your parents had stayed married if there would be a different layer to it, where you would have felt like, oh, Jesus, I failed at this thing.

[1077] I wonder if they had stayed married if I had gotten married.

[1078] I think there was like, it was a real direct reaction to like, I'm not in control of this situation, but I can make my own family.

[1079] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[1080] I think that definitely had something to do with it.

[1081] Now, the ebbs and flows that you and I have both experienced, I think it's so radical, we're both sitting here talking because fucking punk 2004, who knew?

[1082] Who knew?

[1083] We could have been so many different.

[1084] How did you like dating me for those two years?

[1085] This is a Zach Braff joke.

[1086] We get that nonstop.

[1087] You must know that if you dated him.

[1088] That were identical twins.

[1089] I have heard that, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1090] That's right.

[1091] I will say this.

[1092] People generally don't think they look like the person everyone says they look like.

[1093] Who do people tell you you look like?

[1094] I don't know.

[1095] Not anybody really.

[1096] Yeah.

[1097] I haven't met my doppelganger.

[1098] Okay.

[1099] Well, generally, I think people don't think they look like their doppelganger.

[1100] I don't think you look like, Zach.

[1101] Maybe at a different point of both of your lives, but like, yeah, I wouldn't.

[1102] I will say this.

[1103] So when I look at him, just glance, no. We're so different.

[1104] But when he was talking, when I was interviewing him, there were a couple times I was watching his mouth and I was getting like, like, I thought I was looking in the mirror, Tom.

[1105] Mocking.

[1106] Yes, there's some weird mouth -nose thing.

[1107] I definitely see.

[1108] I was short -circuiting.

[1109] It was very confusing.

[1110] Wow.

[1111] The other thing that happened, when I was interviewing Dog the Bounty Hunter, I thought I was talking to my dad like four different times.

[1112] That's cool.

[1113] Yeah.

[1114] It was wild.

[1115] Yeah.

[1116] Like, Dog the Bounty Hunter could have opened my father's iPhone, I think.

[1117] I wonder if I can open Zach Braff's iPhone.

[1118] Okay, enough of that.

[1119] Enough of that.

[1120] Okay, back to the ebbs and flow.

[1121] So I took those really hard as an actor.

[1122] Like when movies worked and then they didn't work and then they worked and they didn't work.

[1123] That was brutal for me. And as we discussed, we both kind of had something that we could feel safer.

[1124] Lean on.

[1125] Lean on.

[1126] And let me just say, for Kristen, she doesn't know which movies of hers are a hit and which are failures.

[1127] Yeah.

[1128] Gracefully.

[1129] She's not interested.

[1130] She's never cared.

[1131] I'm so jealous of it.

[1132] I'm not that way.

[1133] Are you the same way as her or did it bomb you out?

[1134] I'd say it falls somewhere in the middle of both of you guys.

[1135] I think I was aware of things that sort of.

[1136] hit in a way and then things that weren't as successful.

[1137] But it didn't bring me down.

[1138] Do you desire control?

[1139] Yes.

[1140] Okay.

[1141] So here's the aspect that I think if you like control like I do.

[1142] It keeps affecting the plan you've made.

[1143] That's what's disheartening about it.

[1144] It's like, I have this movie coming out.

[1145] If it opens at $17 million this weekend, I'll probably do two movies next year.

[1146] I'll probably do it for this price.

[1147] Like I'm thinking of what my next two years are like.

[1148] And really this weekend's going to determine what my next two years are like.

[1149] My brain doesn't work.

[1150] That way.

[1151] No, no. I do like to have a semblance of control, but I don't calculate things in quite that way.

[1152] Okay.

[1153] Let me try this.

[1154] So after all this ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, I finally left movies and went to parenthood for six years.

[1155] And all of a sudden, I was like, well, this is heaven.

[1156] Yes.

[1157] There's an opening weekend.

[1158] You know you're doing 22 of them or whatever you're doing.

[1159] Shows, they launch and they have a pretty predictable run.

[1160] Did you love that part of This Is Us?

[1161] Loved it.

[1162] And driving to the same place every day.

[1163] at Universal?

[1164] We're at Paramount.

[1165] Oh, my God.

[1166] I know.

[1167] It's so lucky.

[1168] I've loved the consistency.

[1169] It's the best job I've ever had.

[1170] Like, hands down, the greatest people, the best, most challenging work.

[1171] I never go to work and think, ah, I'm just on autopilot.

[1172] Like, the crew, just the entire experience, being home in my bed every night.

[1173] Like, it's been the best.

[1174] And a short commute, that can make your life just different here in L .A. Oh, it's everything.

[1175] Yeah.

[1176] If you're like working at fucking Sony or somewhere on the west side.

[1177] Your day starts with a beat down.

[1178] Like you're going to get your ass kick for 90 minutes before you show up.

[1179] But this, you know you're getting away with murder.

[1180] Like I was seven minutes from my driveway to my trailer at Parenthood.

[1181] And every drive I was like, this shouldn't happen in life, seven minutes from work.

[1182] You lucky dog.

[1183] Also, did you get this when you would drive into Paramount?

[1184] Would you think like, da da da da da da da da.

[1185] Yes, every time I drive through the gates and I have my badge, I'm like, I can't believe.

[1186] This is my life.

[1187] Same.

[1188] Isn't it the best?

[1189] He waved to the guys in the booth.

[1190] Because you actually, weirdly, you don't get that on movies.

[1191] Because movies are generally in another state.

[1192] You're on a location.

[1193] You never drive through that guard shack with your badge.

[1194] Nope.

[1195] To your trailer.

[1196] Yes.

[1197] It reminds me at Pee Wee Herman when he went under the set.

[1198] Yes.

[1199] Truly.

[1200] People movie scenery and stuff.

[1201] Also an ensemble.

[1202] Yes.

[1203] But I work so much.

[1204] You do.

[1205] In this ensemble.

[1206] Well, I think simply because I'm the matriarch and I live in the past and the present and the future.

[1207] You fuck that out.

[1208] Yeah.

[1209] Yeah.

[1210] I'm like, Milo died.

[1211] Oh, lucky son of a bitch.

[1212] He just, yeah.

[1213] So it's a lot of work.

[1214] What is a lot of work?

[1215] Sometimes every day.

[1216] I mean, I don't mean to complain it is the greatest job and I will go every day.

[1217] But in terms of like the cast and how much we all work.

[1218] Because a lot of people are working two, three days a week on that show.

[1219] Exactly.

[1220] You're the only person that got fucked, I guess.

[1221] Yeah.

[1222] Because I'm hearing of, no one would work more than four days a week.

[1223] Wow.

[1224] No, there wasn't one cast member.

[1225] I mean, you might have an episode.

[1226] Sure, sure, sure.

[1227] Where you're in the whole thing.

[1228] You're heavy.

[1229] In general, with 14 cast members, people were regularly three days a week.

[1230] And it's the best.

[1231] You come into and it's like, oh, I'm here for these two scenes in the afternoon.

[1232] May just finish.

[1233] Let's have lunch together.

[1234] Then I'm going to go do my, what a life.

[1235] I mean, that sounds luxurious.

[1236] It's the instant family.

[1237] It's the friends.

[1238] Like, you have friends for life.

[1239] There's nothing greater than that.

[1240] That's been like the gift.

[1241] of the show, for sure.

[1242] You're right.

[1243] Because in movies, it's like you fall in love with people.

[1244] And you go your separate ways and everyone moves on to their next project.

[1245] And it might be 10 years before you bump into people that you spent like every single day for three months with and you adore them.

[1246] Yeah, so this is like, oh my God, I like these people and I get to keep being around them.

[1247] Oh, wow.

[1248] You're stuck with me. I heard Kimmel asked you if there's not a stinker in the group and you said there's not.

[1249] There's not.

[1250] I don't believe it.

[1251] I just don't believe it.

[1252] You must know pretty much everybody on the show though.

[1253] No?

[1254] I don't really.

[1255] You don't really?

[1256] They're all just genuinely lovely people.

[1257] I would tell you.

[1258] Oh my God.

[1259] What if everyone, when they get interviewed, there's like, well, there's one asshole.

[1260] Me. You just don't know.

[1261] You think, yeah, there isn't a bad apple because you're the bad apple.

[1262] They're like, oh, no, there's one person.

[1263] That brings up a great thought.

[1264] Like, what happens when the bad apples do impress?

[1265] And they ask, are there any bad apples on the show?

[1266] And they go, no, there's none.

[1267] Because no one thinks they're the bad apple.

[1268] No. I feel like people who are the best apples.

[1269] Bad Apple, no, they are.

[1270] Do you think?

[1271] Yes.

[1272] I think they think other people are the bad apple, but they're not in on the secret that they're the bad apple.

[1273] Does that make sense?

[1274] I guess.

[1275] I bet the bad apple on my show is probably, if they asked, is there a bad apple?

[1276] That person would have been like, yeah, Dax.

[1277] But they would have been wrong.

[1278] Of course.

[1279] Because collectively, it was like 13 against one.

[1280] Okay.

[1281] I've said too much already.

[1282] You know what you do look like when your smile gets huge?

[1283] Do you see it?

[1284] Garner.

[1285] Jennifer Garner.

[1286] Jennifer Garner.

[1287] I can actually see that.

[1288] When your smile gets huge.

[1289] That is the greatest compliment I've ever received.

[1290] Right there it happened.

[1291] It's this.

[1292] Oh, I see it.

[1293] Yeah, me too.

[1294] Do I look like her?

[1295] Yeah, you look like her.

[1296] You're the same.

[1297] I'm so embarrassed.

[1298] Now, also you directed.

[1299] Did you love it?

[1300] I did.

[1301] Do you love directing?

[1302] I love it.

[1303] You do.

[1304] So much more than acting.

[1305] Also, I'm like a frenetic human being.

[1306] Being an actor, it's like you're there for a cabillion hours to work for five minutes.

[1307] I can't stand that.

[1308] Was the director solving a problem all day long?

[1309] Which I appreciate and I do love.

[1310] I don't feel inherently like the most comfortable being kind of the center of attention where everyone sort of has to come.

[1311] Asking you questions.

[1312] Exactly.

[1313] It's like I can say yes or no or A, B, or C, but I don't feel the most comfortable in that position.

[1314] I did love it, but it really feels like cheating on our show.

[1315] The writing's so exceptional.

[1316] The actors are so exceptional.

[1317] I'm like there wasn't much for me to do.

[1318] Well, it's a machine.

[1319] Really, by year three, it's on autopilot, which is why the cast members make good directors often, because the guest director, and for people who don't know this about TV, a movie has one director.

[1320] TV has a new director every episode.

[1321] You get recurring ones, which is the dream, right?

[1322] But often there's someone arriving who also directs a bunch of other television shows, so they couldn't have possibly seen all of your show.

[1323] They watched a couple episodes that were sent to them.

[1324] That's their full understanding of your five.

[1325] year running show and then they'll tell you something that your character should do and you're like but do you know that two episodes ago this happened i don't actually have toes do you know that they were cut off in season three so i can't go on my tippy toes as you want me to in the scene it can be as crazy as that for sure yes you have this like deep -seated knowledge of the cast the story everything that's sort of unfolded in five six years as an actor on the show and you have an ongoing relationship with your cast members.

[1326] So there's a shorthand.

[1327] I found the most interesting part of the process prep, obviously, because actors don't get to go through like the prep process.

[1328] So you get all of the different meetings and department heads.

[1329] And that's when like five million questions are lobbed your way.

[1330] But I loved it.

[1331] And it gave me such a deeper appreciation for just how incredible everyone in each respective department is.

[1332] How much work is done in one week?

[1333] How much work is done?

[1334] I'm like, wait, I ate that pastrami sandwich as an actor in the scene.

[1335] And I didn't realize and we're like 17 meetings about this pastrami sandwich.

[1336] I will never take for granted any prop in a scene ever again as an actor.

[1337] Yeah, you just show up and it's done.

[1338] And it's done.

[1339] You forget that it goes from someone's head into full -fledged life in eight days.

[1340] It's pretty incredible.

[1341] It is.

[1342] So you don't necessarily want to do that later on or do you?

[1343] I do, but I think at this point, like maybe stuff that I'm involved in as an actor again.

[1344] Because for me, I'm like, I need to feel super engaged and, connected to something.

[1345] Because like you said, just jumping on as a guest director to a show that I don't know, like, it's so much work hosting that party of being the director and not just attending the party as a guest.

[1346] It's like, I need to feel like completely connected to something.

[1347] I'm not sure I would be suited to just jump on to someone else's show.

[1348] Okay.

[1349] Let's talk about being on the road.

[1350] A couple things.

[1351] Your husband.

[1352] Yes.

[1353] I swear to God, and I didn't know this till today, who you're married to, if you were to ask me in six years of Parenthood, we would have all these bands on that would perform at our studio.

[1354] And of all the people that ever came in, and there were many, many bands, your husband's by far the most likable person that was ever in there.

[1355] Oh, that's so sweet.

[1356] Yeah, so Taylor from Dawes, do you know this?

[1357] Dawes recorded at the luncheon at.

[1358] Oh.

[1359] And.

[1360] Wait, what episode?

[1361] What happened?

[1362] Oh, what did happen?

[1363] I should know.

[1364] I should know too.

[1365] They were cute and I was nice.

[1366] Oh.

[1367] I think that was what.

[1368] Do one of them date May?

[1369] Oh, wow.

[1370] No, no, I think they were just on one episode.

[1371] The point is, of all the guys, and they're all, they were all so fun.

[1372] Yeah, your husband is just so delightful.

[1373] And he was very, very earnest.

[1374] He was like, this is cool.

[1375] I'm on this TV show.

[1376] Like, genuinely.

[1377] So excited.

[1378] I love people who are enthusiastic.

[1379] It's my favorite quality, I think.

[1380] Yeah.

[1381] How did you guys meet?

[1382] We met on Instagram.

[1383] There we go.

[1384] No way.

[1385] Wait, really?

[1386] Because of Instagram, I should say.

[1387] I heard a song of theirs on the radio, and I looked up who it was.

[1388] and I hadn't heard of the band.

[1389] I went on iTunes and saw they had a new album out and I was like, oh, I posted about it on Instagram.

[1390] This is seven, eight years ago.

[1391] Before, like, I knew how to tag people or do any of the stuff you're supposed to do.

[1392] It wasn't like a sliding into the DM situation.

[1393] But he saw that I had posted about the band and found a way to, like, get an email to me. And we just started email corresponding and then went out on a date and that was it.

[1394] Oh, my God, your life.

[1395] Do you think I'm going to marry BJ the Chicago kid?

[1396] Who's that?

[1397] The guy who I posted the video of me dancing to.

[1398] Oh, yes, I do.

[1399] Well, there you go.

[1400] That's how relationships start.

[1401] Oh, my God.

[1402] And everyone will be celebrating it because I found my true cell.

[1403] So you guys started just chatting on Instagram.

[1404] Who was the first day?

[1405] Like, we should grab coffee.

[1406] Me. Oh, my God.

[1407] Yeah, I was like, let's go have a meal.

[1408] And we went and had sushi.

[1409] It was lovely.

[1410] This is hopeful.

[1411] I like it.

[1412] I don't want to create any drama.

[1413] What were the odds that you were both single?

[1414] Was he single?

[1415] He was single.

[1416] He was.

[1417] And I was newly divorced or trying to get divorced, but I was single.

[1418] Hot off of a divorce.

[1419] Hot off a divorce.

[1420] Okay, so boy, that was lucky.

[1421] Very lucky.

[1422] Because he's so cute.

[1423] I imagine he had girlfriend after girlfriend.

[1424] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

[1425] Okay, so you guys have a one -year -old boy.

[1426] Yes.

[1427] Oh, my God, you know what's really funny is when she posts pictures with Gus.

[1428] She writes hashtag, this is Gus.

[1429] Oh, that's great.

[1430] I hope you'll see Taylor's episode.

[1431] Did you even know he was on it?

[1432] Of course.

[1433] We talked about it this morning before I came over.

[1434] He's like, do you think he'd remember me?

[1435] I'm like, I don't know.

[1436] Oh, so he liked me too.

[1437] Oh, yeah.

[1438] Oh, good.

[1439] I really felt like we had a really fun time.

[1440] Yes, and he's like, and then he like came backstage once.

[1441] Like, I don't know if it was that Bonaroo or Lollapalooza or something.

[1442] And you like, I guess, popped your head and wave to them.

[1443] Yes.

[1444] That like went a long way.

[1445] Because, you know, in my insecure mind, I was like, I had done all that.

[1446] And then I said, hi.

[1447] And then as I'm walking away, I'm like, A, did they remember that they did a TV show?

[1448] B, are they a huge band now and they think, I was like, annoying them?

[1449] I'm just saying that's where my brain after interactions goes.

[1450] This is delightful.

[1451] So Taylor and I. Long lost friends.

[1452] So many suitors after this episode.

[1453] Taylor.

[1454] DJ, the Chicago kid.

[1455] I want to talk about going on the road for your tour.

[1456] And Matt.

[1457] And Matt.

[1458] We have to just shout out Matt Collins.

[1459] Oh, my God, thank you.

[1460] When did you meet Matt Collins?

[1461] I met Matt maybe like five years ago in Toronto.

[1462] Oh.

[1463] He did my hair for an event, some press there.

[1464] Okay.

[1465] And I loved him immediately.

[1466] Who doesn't?

[1467] He's just like an instantly likable, lovely human.

[1468] Teddy bear.

[1469] Yeah.

[1470] And I was like, what is he doing up here?

[1471] Why is he not back in L .A.?

[1472] From New York.

[1473] Like, he's so talented.

[1474] And great bedside manner.

[1475] There's a lot of talented people in that realm, but you can't be with them for that long.

[1476] Yeah, he's such a good hang, too.

[1477] And then, lo and behold, I think it was like on Instagram or something.

[1478] I saw that he had moved out to L .A. And I was like, oh, finally.

[1479] You should be in Instagram commercials.

[1480] Your whole life is like been put together by Instagram.

[1481] I mean, so many of us.

[1482] Come on.

[1483] I know, it's true.

[1484] It's the modern way to connect with people.

[1485] But yeah.

[1486] And so he's been your guy.

[1487] He's my guy.

[1488] Oh, my God.

[1489] So you know him longer than we do.

[1490] Mandy and Laura don't not look alike.

[1491] They don't.

[1492] I've never met Laura.

[1493] I'm so happy for them.

[1494] I wonder if this is going to make you jealous.

[1495] I hope it does.

[1496] So you've known that for five years.

[1497] I mean, yes, known, yeah.

[1498] You know him, I want to say, like David Perrier.

[1499] We've known him for two years.

[1500] Yeah, well, we should just tell the audience.

[1501] He is engaged to one of our very best friends.

[1502] Laura Moses, who also works on the show, it's all very complicated.

[1503] This is what I hope will make you jealous.

[1504] I'm officiating their wedding.

[1505] Do you know that?

[1506] I did.

[1507] I was actually going to say that, and then I'm like, maybe it's not public knowledge.

[1508] You were happy for everyone.

[1509] Damn it.

[1510] I wanted to make you jealous.

[1511] Jealous?

[1512] That you're not officiating it.

[1513] Oh, gosh.

[1514] I'm a okay.

[1515] I thought you might be.

[1516] They're in the best hands having you officiate.

[1517] We'll find out shortly.

[1518] Yeah, two weeks.

[1519] Two weeks.

[1520] TikTok, motherfuckers.

[1521] Yes, but he's the most lovely guy.

[1522] He is.

[1523] Mix messages.

[1524] He is extreme mixed messages.

[1525] which is our favorite thing.

[1526] His look is...

[1527] Biker.

[1528] Burly.

[1529] Could be scary or aggressive.

[1530] Drug addict.

[1531] Could be an addict.

[1532] Felon.

[1533] He has long hair.

[1534] Fetex employee who hangs at recording studios listening to 13 -year -old sing.

[1535] Victor K. type.

[1536] Yeah.

[1537] But he's just like the most gentle person.

[1538] Kind sincere.

[1539] I remember him telling me he's like, so I met this girl and I'm in love with her.

[1540] And like, this is the person I'm going to marry.

[1541] so romantic the way he talked about how they just were going back and forth and how long they were on the phone with each other.

[1542] I was like, oh.

[1543] Yeah, it was a COVID romance.

[1544] It was a COVID romance.

[1545] I just love that sort of romance.

[1546] And see, again, that really delineates you and I, which is lovely.

[1547] I'm envious of you because you probably were like, oh, wow, he is going to marry her.

[1548] Yeah.

[1549] Right.

[1550] I would be hearing that and be like, you're a love addict.

[1551] There's a new person you're in love with in three weeks.

[1552] This is your thing.

[1553] No, I've totally bought in.

[1554] I know.

[1555] And you were right.

[1556] Yeah.

[1557] You're the right way to be.

[1558] Glass half full.

[1559] I'm the wrong way to be.

[1560] Okay, your tour.

[1561] We're there.

[1562] Does it give you anxiety?

[1563] Sure.

[1564] Having a baby.

[1565] Yeah.

[1566] I haven't been on the road since 2007.

[1567] Whoa.

[1568] That's 15 years.

[1569] I know.

[1570] I might blow out a knee.

[1571] Yeah.

[1572] I might poop on stage, guys.

[1573] For real.

[1574] Well, the order of events might be new dance move, blown ACL.

[1575] Ow!

[1576] Oh, fuck.

[1577] You know, such bad pain that you forget.

[1578] The other thing that's happening.

[1579] Bell movement on stage.

[1580] You forget to hold everything.

[1581] Well, the good news is I will have my husband and most of Dawes as my band behind me. No way.

[1582] Oh, this is a dream.

[1583] The family band.

[1584] At Gus will be with us.

[1585] It's going to be great.

[1586] You got to learn some like Partridge family.

[1587] You got to do something cheeky about that.

[1588] I know.

[1589] Yeah, get the baby out there singing.

[1590] It's going to be past his bedtime.

[1591] And let's not get him on stage.

[1592] People like to do this.

[1593] I don't want to be judgment on anyone.

[1594] It's a lot of stimuli.

[1595] It's a lot.

[1596] I see people bringing their children.

[1597] out on stages and there's all like thousands of people was can't i don't know that's a lot yeah he'd freak him out for sure i was just thinking if i could like kind of start working with him to prep him you know please be my guess i don't know how i would do that but just pop out of places yeah drums like bring him around do play your drums oh yeah bring him downstairs and i'll just play the drums oh he loves the drums does he yeah his uncle's a drummer so he's around he's been around music and in the studio for this whole life.

[1598] Will you guys be on a bus?

[1599] Yeah.

[1600] Oh, wow.

[1601] Yeah.

[1602] Family on a bus.

[1603] Family on a tour.

[1604] How long is the tour?

[1605] It's like two weeks.

[1606] Two weeks.

[1607] And then there's like a two week break and then another two weeks.

[1608] Cool.

[1609] What cities are you going to?

[1610] Kind of everywhere.

[1611] Up and down both coasts.

[1612] Well, you can be going everywhere in four weeks.

[1613] Let's move some product.

[1614] What cities we go into on what dates?

[1615] Portland, Seattle, L .A., Dallas, Atlanta, Charleston.

[1616] These are great.

[1617] What size venues are you playing?

[1618] I mean, we're playing like the Ryman in Nashville, which I'm super excited about.

[1619] But we're playing the Fonda here.

[1620] We're playing like theaters.

[1621] Like, it kind of varies.

[1622] That's so nice.

[1623] It's going to be fun and intimate.

[1624] We were four days away from going on the road.

[1625] I put out a record March 6th of 2020, my first album in like 11 years.

[1626] And we were four days away from going on tour when the world shut down.

[1627] So this is kind of like I have a. new record now called in real life and going to hit the road now and play the last record, this new record.

[1628] And so in real life comes out, May 13th.

[1629] That sounds like something, does it?

[1630] May 13th.

[1631] No, the aides of March are in March.

[1632] Friday the 13th.

[1633] It's not a Friday, is it?

[1634] Friday the 13th.

[1635] Oh, my God, your knee's going to blow out.

[1636] You're going to poop your pants and then a goblin's going to come out and whisk you away.

[1637] I hope.

[1638] Yeah.

[1639] If everything goes, is playing.

[1640] Guys, one exciting thing to witness.

[1641] in real life.

[1642] Yes.

[1643] In real life.

[1644] Ding, ding.

[1645] See Mandy in real life singing songs from her new album in real life, in real life, which is not Instagram, ironically.

[1646] But you've found a way to make Instagram real life.

[1647] I mean, somewhat.

[1648] I mean, you're pulling people out of that fucking digital space and becoming your husband.

[1649] Yeah, that's true.

[1650] Your hairstylist.

[1651] I brought you here via Instagram.

[1652] You did?

[1653] Yes.

[1654] It's true.

[1655] Should you guys get rid of every other form of communication?

[1656] Dump your email, dump your text.

[1657] It's all we need.

[1658] Well, Mandy, was this fun?

[1659] Did you enjoy this?

[1660] It's everything I hoped it would be in more.

[1661] You're delightful, both of you.

[1662] Oh, that's so nice.

[1663] So much fun.

[1664] So much better than the last time you had to deal with me and you were flattening my house and ruining my dreams.

[1665] Oh, my God.

[1666] I just remembered what the premise was.

[1667] What do you mean?

[1668] I was going to propose to my, like, girlfriend.

[1669] Right.

[1670] And I was going to present.

[1671] An added element.

[1672] So you didn't just ruin my house.

[1673] You ruined my future.

[1674] Oh, my God.

[1675] I just remember.

[1676] Okay, well, we still don't know why you know where Mandy lived.

[1677] I think it's going to be in a fact check.

[1678] I bet like I'm going to be eating my rice and ground beef in two or three days.

[1679] And I go, that's why I know where she lives.

[1680] I can't wait to hear.

[1681] Me too.

[1682] I'm curious.

[1683] I know somebody that was staying at your house or working at your house.

[1684] Something your house.

[1685] Because I promise you I wasn't just like with a star maps driving around the neighborhood.

[1686] No, and nobody would know my house anyway.

[1687] No, no. And to be honest, I would probably go to someone's house that I thought like had a drug problem, maybe going to be in their front yard doing something crazy.

[1688] Sure, sure.

[1689] This is where I'd start.

[1690] Yeah, you know.

[1691] Not my house.

[1692] Yeah, which is great because you're going on the family partridge trip.

[1693] Yes, exactly.

[1694] You don't make it to the family partridge trip.

[1695] Family partridge.

[1696] Is that what it's called?

[1697] Partridge family.

[1698] Well, Mandy, I'm so glad you had fun.

[1699] We had a ton of fun.

[1700] So much fun.

[1701] And everyone should download in real life when it comes on on May 13th, Friday the 13th.

[1702] Very spooky, very auspicious, very great time to download in real life.

[1703] Thank you, Mandy.

[1704] Thank you.

[1705] Stay tuned for more armchair expert, if you dare.

[1706] And now my favorite part of the show, the fact check with my soulmate Monica Padman, Monday.

[1707] All right.

[1708] Oh, Monday, Monday.

[1709] Cool.

[1710] Oh, boy.

[1711] Mandy Monday Monday.

[1712] But if you say...

[1713] Monday Monday.

[1714] I want to say if there is an accent where maybe it's the same word, right?

[1715] Like Monday, Monday, Monday, Monday.

[1716] What accent is that?

[1717] It's a mix between British and Australian and either.

[1718] But what it did make me think of is, you know, famously here in the States, They would always advertise, generally truck pulls and monster truck railies and whatnot.

[1719] And they would go, Sunday, Sunday, right?

[1720] That was a big call to action to go see some motorsports or something that was going to be fucking wild.

[1721] They'd always end those things with, we'll sell you the whole seat, but you'll only need the edge.

[1722] Sunday, Sunday, Sunday.

[1723] Now we're in the country that is neither Australian nor Great Britain.

[1724] And Monday is the big, big day.

[1725] That's the big day.

[1726] Monday, Monday, Monday.

[1727] more is performing live wow that actually works well because more sounds like it's just going to be more excessive but then it's mandy more wow monday monday monday more oh kind of gross myself out this is mind expanding and the way our last fact check was see we're just bouncing back and forth from fact check yeah yeah tiptoeing all around you promised a lot you wrote a check i hope you're asking cash yeah i can.

[1728] And I'll do it right now.

[1729] Oh my God.

[1730] Because you said that we were going to get collapsed on last fact chat.

[1731] That's right.

[1732] Because of the rain.

[1733] But you know why it's a huge ding, ding, ding.

[1734] Why?

[1735] Because you're punked.

[1736] Oh my God.

[1737] You're punked with Mandy was a house collapsed.

[1738] Okay.

[1739] So I watched it today.

[1740] Oh, you did.

[1741] I was laughing so, so hard.

[1742] You were.

[1743] I was so afraid it wouldn't live up to what we had laid out.

[1744] I have it here.

[1745] Should I play it?

[1746] Maybe just a moment of the collapse.

[1747] Are they all on YouTube?

[1748] This one is.

[1749] Oh, wow.

[1750] Crashers, where Todd Oldham goes in and redesign someone's house.

[1751] Right, so there's a real show crib crashers.

[1752] Todd's agreed to come on and help us mess with Mandy.

[1753] She thinks that she's actually really doing the show.

[1754] There's the time people are living in like a fancy house or something.

[1755] Not on my show, man. We do a redneck style.

[1756] So we've got this challenge behind us, I think it's also called a mobile home.

[1757] Dax has got this character that he does, which is like this kind of hillbilly, and not necessarily too bright.

[1758] We got a trailer, we got a crane, we got a steel beam.

[1759] But I pull a lever on this crane, I got 2 ,000 -pound beam out of heaven years and going to crush his house like part of Hague.

[1760] Oh, I know.

[1761] Yeah, look, we are on the side of the fucking highway up there.

[1762] Hey, Mandy.

[1763] Look how sweet she is.

[1764] I know.

[1765] Nice to meet you.

[1766] What a pleasure.

[1767] Such a big fan of you.

[1768] Oh, thank you.

[1769] Thanks for inviting me out today.

[1770] I'm so pleased we could do this today.

[1771] Oh, my God.

[1772] So I think you need to get hooked up with some mics.

[1773] Yeah, you can tell she is panicked.

[1774] She's panicked and smiling so big.

[1775] I'm Max.

[1776] I live here with my girlfriend, Bree.

[1777] Nice to meet you.

[1778] She's going to be really excited.

[1779] You're her absolute favorite.

[1780] So she's going to be super excited.

[1781] You probably should start by having a tour of the place and really see what we're going to be working with.

[1782] I'm glad Brie got a shot out.

[1783] I know.

[1784] This is basically our living room, but we sleep in the living room because why sleep in the bedroom?

[1785] I figure it's not like we have kids or anything, you know.

[1786] That's some logic.

[1787] Oh, by the way, it was because the bedrooms were unshowable.

[1788] We live in front of a mountain range and we live next to a desert with palms room.

[1789] Exactly.

[1790] Yeah.

[1791] Wow.

[1792] What are you going to show them next?

[1793] I'll do bedroom, bathroom, bathroom, and then master bedroom.

[1794] She's so worried.

[1795] Yeah.

[1796] Have you had some of this, like, stuff looked at?

[1797] Oh, my gosh, so the scene was completely.

[1798] No, we, well, we could kind of bought it as is.

[1799] You know, have you ever bought a car online or on the Internet?

[1800] You purchased this on the Internet?

[1801] You can buy anything.

[1802] Yeah, yeah.

[1803] You can buy trucks, cars, houses, boats, doom buggies, four -wheelers.

[1804] I had no idea.

[1805] Overcrasse.

[1806] Oh, my God.

[1807] Nothing strange.

[1808] Oh, I think they just decorative or something.

[1809] I mean, I guess your whole crew, everyone's wearing a hard hat.

[1810] Is it because that crane is there?

[1811] I mean, I really think, like, the house isn't necessarily in the best shape, so maybe if we could do something about that, first and foremost, I think that'd be most important.

[1812] I wouldn't want anything happening to them in the house.

[1813] You know what I mean?

[1814] It just doesn't necessarily feel so safe.

[1815] Oh, boy.

[1816] All right, here's the scoop.

[1817] We got Mandy in the middle of nowhere thinking she's fixing somebody's house.

[1818] Let's see how good she fixes it.

[1819] Was the house in two pieces?

[1820] Is that?

[1821] Yeah, this is a double wide.

[1822] You have a standard.

[1823] I'm pretty sincere in this, I'm happy.

[1824] They fastened two different pieces together.

[1825] Maybe we could do something about kind of sitting the house altogether as well.

[1826] This is the bathroom.

[1827] It's got a real good -sized tub, as you can see.

[1828] I can actually stretch out in there all the way.

[1829] Did you just move in?

[1830] No, no, we've been here for 18 months.

[1831] Oh, okay.

[1832] Maybe it'd be a good start.

[1833] I like the bathroom as is, but unless you guys had some better ideas.

[1834] There's definitely easy ways to move.

[1835] I'm stuck on as -is.

[1836] Some of these things.

[1837] It's just it.

[1838] Some color would help to.

[1839] Maybe just a little bit of cleaning as well.

[1840] That would be a great start.

[1841] You must have some tylex up in here.

[1842] Do you have like a place for towels or with storage area?

[1843] Yeah, maybe that's.

[1844] I know, we just put our towel there.

[1845] The kitchen's nice and roomy.

[1846] Our towel.

[1847] Open to the many options.

[1848] This is why it's got to be perfect because, um.

[1849] Oh, here we go.

[1850] Once we do the house.

[1851] and everything, and she comes in, she knows that you design it, and if it's perfect, then I'm going to be proposing to her.

[1852] Oh, my goodness.

[1853] Yeah.

[1854] It's beautiful.

[1855] I kind of got sold into it.

[1856] I don't know anything about rings, and the guy just kind of told me what to get.

[1857] Oh, it was a good choice.

[1858] See if it would fit you.

[1859] See how it looks on.

[1860] Making her try on the ring.

[1861] Can become male models.

[1862] She's such a good sport.

[1863] But we promise.

[1864] We're going to do our best here.

[1865] We'll give it a goat.

[1866] She's making a promise she's going to see it through.

[1867] So that's pink.

[1868] It is.

[1869] Mandy, is that your favorite color?

[1870] Because she'll want to live in your favorite color.

[1871] Pink's not my favorite color.

[1872] But if that's what you guys had in mind, it's not.

[1873] Ted, is this what you wanted?

[1874] Yeah, my name's Todd.

[1875] I'm sorry.

[1876] It's okay.

[1877] It is a side on a color then.

[1878] Let's think of what you both like a and maybe something a little bit lighter to kind of offset on the shutters and the after.

[1879] You are so smart.

[1880] You're beautiful, you're smart, and you have a beautiful voice.

[1881] Thanks.

[1882] And you have cool shoes on, too.

[1883] This tree works really well to kind of break a smile.

[1884] this is a 10 % I think.

[1885] Even as a pathetic person, I could maybe.

[1886] Big energy on Mike, I mean, because this is like the kickoff to remodeling.

[1887] Oh, gosh.

[1888] Let's do it.

[1889] Let's go.

[1890] Oh, no. Oh, no. Hi, I'm Todd Oldham.

[1891] I'm here with Mandy Moore today.

[1892] And Dax, we're ready to crash his crib.

[1893] We're going to turn his new house.

[1894] to a brand new love nest.

[1895] Thank you, Tadia.

[1896] We're here with Dad.

[1897] She's very excited.

[1898] Your girlfriend, Bree, I guess, is anxious to see what we'll do with her home.

[1899] Nice.

[1900] You guys ready?

[1901] I'm ready.

[1902] Let's do it.

[1903] Let's get started.

[1904] Great.

[1905] Oh.

[1906] She just pumped her fist for people.

[1907] Oh, my God.

[1908] Look, I'm laughing.

[1909] I'm trying to stop laughing right now.

[1910] The house was clear, wasn't it?

[1911] my ring is in there do this you got you're supposed to come fix up my place and it's no there's nothing to fix up now what did you do to my house MTV was supposed to fuck this up we were just doing the intro what should I do here I know as long as no one was hurt everything can be fixed they can be repaired I know but I'm sure the ring is fine I have to see what's all ruined.

[1912] What did you...

[1913] I mean, Todd and Mandy counted it down.

[1914] I mean, they did it.

[1915] We said, let's...

[1916] He said to be animated.

[1917] He said he wanted an option of me being a little bit more animated, so I said, let's get it started.

[1918] You did that.

[1919] That's the release signal.

[1920] It's a boombox.

[1921] Hey, Mandy, what's up?

[1922] This is Ashton, Coucher.

[1923] We just pumped you.

[1924] Look, that means nothing to her.

[1925] There's no such show.

[1926] punk yet that's really key okay now I'm going to transition into charming here oh yeah you did yeah I can't wait to get out of that hair oh my god oh wow you wanted to get out the hair because you wanted to do a real self show just in case normal yeah even though I'm talking about Bree the whole time oh my god you are so funny oh come on we really are I was thank you that was a fun one but you know because I've told you that you know the few times that I've been in a hotel and it's on somehow, and then I'll watch on them.

[1927] Always sad because my memory of them is always better than they were.

[1928] Oh, no. That's the first time I watched my mom where I was like, oh my God, that's really funny.

[1929] It is hysterical.

[1930] I mean, you got to think, like, that's what I really wanted to drill into for her is like, I want, all right, this is abstract and maybe it won't make sense, but we can only watch that one way.

[1931] We're in on it.

[1932] Yes, I know.

[1933] And I really try to imagine having an event in my life where that's all real.

[1934] Yes.

[1935] It's so bizarre.

[1936] Yes.

[1937] You know, you're actively worried about this person and then.

[1938] That's really recycled.

[1939] That's the Nick Lachey, Jessica Simpson character.

[1940] Same hairpiece.

[1941] I just owned that, you know.

[1942] Yeah.

[1943] That was mine.

[1944] Well, that's what Ashton said.

[1945] Like, Dax has this character.

[1946] Right, right.

[1947] He has a wig is what he has.

[1948] And then in the Nick Lachay one, you know, I kept calling him Rick.

[1949] So that kind of became my signature.

[1950] move on on time.

[1951] I forgot I did Ted, though.

[1952] That was so funny.

[1953] I'm so glad you liked it that much.

[1954] I'm old enough that that seems weird that was in my life.

[1955] Yeah.

[1956] That's like 20 years ago.

[1957] I mean, I'm going to leave a lot of that in, but I want people to watch it because the facial reactions are incredible.

[1958] And that's a lucky accent.

[1959] I think I was laughing for so long.

[1960] It took me that long to steady myself.

[1961] I can't believe you were able to.

[1962] I can't believe you were able to.

[1963] To turn around and then engage in the whole scene.

[1964] But it kind of ends up working fan because you're just speechless.

[1965] But I wasn't speechless.

[1966] I was laughing really bad and covering my face.

[1967] Oh my God.

[1968] And maybe were you, when you said I have to go see what's ruined, were you going to go laugh somewhere?

[1969] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1970] The ring is in there.

[1971] That was a fun episode, Mandy Moore.

[1972] So fun.

[1973] First of all, we've had kind of a drought for women.

[1974] Yeah, a little bit.

[1975] Not a, I don't know if a drought.

[1976] These things are streaky.

[1977] Yeah.

[1978] Yes, that's right.

[1979] A lot of dudes.

[1980] Yeah, she was really fun.

[1981] I enjoyed her.

[1982] She messaged me after.

[1983] She did on direct messaging system.

[1984] Yeah.

[1985] What did she say?

[1986] She said, I know you have a lot of friends, but if you ever want to get a coffee or cocktail, let me know.

[1987] And she gave me her number.

[1988] Oh, my God.

[1989] We can't talk about it, but we've had another guest that befriended you on on Instagram, and it really got exciting.

[1990] Leon?

[1991] No. That's who I thought you were talking about.

[1992] Who are you talking about?

[1993] Oh, fuck.

[1994] Yep.

[1995] Okay.

[1996] All right.

[1997] Do we ever figure out how you know where she lived?

[1998] They never came to me. You know, I was in Vegas for a family -ish reunion on Kristen's side.

[1999] And I saw my, you know, what are my nephews and niece through marriage.

[2000] And it was so fun.

[2001] This is a total sidebar.

[2002] But Benny, who I've known since he was four years old, three years old.

[2003] Famously, we were at Kristen's dad's house for Christmas 14 years ago, whatever.

[2004] And he was so little that on Christmas morning, this is the first thing I heard in the morning.

[2005] And his sister's name is Lucy.

[2006] I heard, Lucy, it's Christmas Eve.

[2007] Oh, he thought Christmas.

[2008] Yeah, so I've been saying Lucy, it's Christmas.

[2009] Christmas Eve forever.

[2010] So I walk in, I haven't seen Benny in a minute.

[2011] He's now a ninth grader.

[2012] He plays football.

[2013] He's on track.

[2014] He's a fucking beast.

[2015] Fucking traps, six pack.

[2016] I walk in his shirts off and I was, I almost going to be there.

[2017] We saw him in Michigan for just a second.

[2018] So that would have been like three years ago or two years ago.

[2019] Three years ago.

[2020] And I remember thinking, oh my God.

[2021] He's so cute.

[2022] Ben is getting so cute.

[2023] like exceptionally so absolutely world class and he was just selling some popcorn or something for one of these like teams athletics things yes yeah yeah and I bought some and then he sent me a very sweet text oh he did yeah so he's such a nice boy oh it's fantastic and I've never been I've been an uncle to nieces yeah my brother's daughters who I adore but it was really fun for me because I had my uncle Randy, who I love.

[2024] My uncle Randy was very competitive.

[2025] He's a great basketball player.

[2026] He would mess with me in a really fun way I love being messed with by my uncle.

[2027] So I had the opportunity.

[2028] I was just, would not stop talking about Ben's physique.

[2029] Then we got on the basketball court.

[2030] Then I challenged him to a pull -up contest.

[2031] Oh.

[2032] Yeah.

[2033] Wow.

[2034] And then a foot race.

[2035] Wow.

[2036] Okay.

[2037] So I blasted him on the pull -up contest.

[2038] Okay.

[2039] No shade, Ben.

[2040] And then he fucking ripped Tom and I a new one on a 200 -yard dash.

[2041] And he gave us three sets.

[2042] And he gave us three seconds head start.

[2043] And he got us at the finish line.

[2044] It was all so fun.

[2045] Good.

[2046] I really dug it.

[2047] Anyways, I think that distracted me from putting together the pieces of why I know her house.

[2048] We'll never know.

[2049] Maybe in three or four years, it'll be a ding, ding, ding.

[2050] Okay.

[2051] So what's the most common motivation for murder?

[2052] Because we talked about daylight.

[2053] Okay.

[2054] Can we take guesses?

[2055] Sure.

[2056] Number one, I'll say crime of passion.

[2057] Great guess.

[2058] Oh, boy, boy, but hold on, hold on.

[2059] We have a lot of inner city gang deaths, homicides, guns.

[2060] I don't know.

[2061] That's a tricky one.

[2062] Anyways, let's hear.

[2063] I don't know what I'm talking about.

[2064] Well, according to this, there's a few, you know, there's a few.

[2065] And these categories are chunky.

[2066] Okay.

[2067] Clunky?

[2068] Well, no, I would say chunky because they fit too many things in there.

[2069] Uh -huh.

[2070] You know what I mean?

[2071] Yeah.

[2072] Okay.

[2073] According to this, 41 % argument.

[2074] Now that's alcohol -influenced brawl, drug -influenced brawl, argument over money or property, other unspecified arguments.

[2075] Can we, that's not a crime of past?

[2076] Is crime of passion specifically about you catch your lover with a lover?

[2077] Because I meant that.

[2078] Well, there's a sex portion that's 2%.

[2079] Oh, that's very small.

[2080] And it says prostitution, romantic triangles, rape, sexual assault.

[2081] But romantic triangles seems in there.

[2082] like it's in there.

[2083] Thief is 9 % robbery, burglary, larceny, auto theft.

[2084] Drugs and gangs.

[2085] Here we go.

[2086] That's 14.

[2087] Oh, so small.

[2088] Narcotics, gang killings, juvenile gang killings.

[2089] Other felonies.

[2090] See what I mean about chunky?

[2091] Yeah.

[2092] Arson, gambling.

[2093] Other suspected slash unspecified.

[2094] That's 11%.

[2095] Other non -felony.

[2096] That's prison killings.

[2097] Oh, my.

[2098] Wow.

[2099] Now, sniper attacks, other unspecified.

[2100] That's 24%.

[2101] Other unspecified is in all of these.

[2102] I don't love that.

[2103] Anyway, arguments, yes, is 41%.

[2104] Well, we're looking at manslaughter.

[2105] Is that a category?

[2106] Like vehicular manslaughter?

[2107] No, because this is murder.

[2108] Oh, that's right.

[2109] That would be an accident.

[2110] Even though you can get manslaughtery.

[2111] Yeah.

[2112] Okay.

[2113] And now this other one, there's this other article.

[2114] Okay.

[2115] That is talking about like female murders versus male murders.

[2116] murders or murderers murderers murderers murderers yeah so females who kill yeah it's just like saying that's a good show on showtime females who kill oh patent that okay that's my pitch showtime do you want yeah this is just saying is there a difference this is taking a study in australia mande mande mande they're saying there's not that much of a difference they have seven homicide event motives in this.

[2117] And they have revenge, jealousy, thrill, love, love in quotes.

[2118] Gain, conviction, not gains, gain.

[2119] Right.

[2120] So not like a muscley thing.

[2121] Conviction slash hate and concealment.

[2122] That is to cover up another crime.

[2123] Wow.

[2124] You just said gain.

[2125] Mm -hmm.

[2126] I ordered monogram towels for Black Mold Paradise.

[2127] You did.

[2128] I did.

[2129] They're embroidered.

[2130] That's nice.

[2131] And you know what they say?

[2132] Of course not.

[2133] BMP?

[2134] Oh, what's BMP?

[2135] Black Mold Paradise.

[2136] Oh, no, I could write a bunch on these.

[2137] There's a lot of writing on these.

[2138] What do you mean?

[2139] Oh.

[2140] Yeah, yeah, there's two lines of text.

[2141] Oh, okay.

[2142] I shouldn't have said monogram, embroidered.

[2143] Is that the right word?

[2144] Sure.

[2145] Anyways, Dan Gaines, meat, H -M -H -Mull Paradise.

[2146] Wow.

[2147] Wow.

[2148] H -A -U -S.

[2149] Wow.

[2150] Dan Gaines meathoss.

[2151] I was kind of proud of that.

[2152] That's amazing.

[2153] That's my pitch, too, to everyone.

[2154] The movie or the show, Dan Gaines, Meathouse.

[2155] You could totally have a reality show set in Black Mill Paradise called Dan Gaines MeatHoss.

[2156] Meathoss.

[2157] Hopefully they'll be here before this airs.

[2158] Not that my friends listen to this anyways, but I do want guys to just be lifting in Black Mold Paradise because I have some group lifts.

[2159] and they're throwing, hey, hey, you need a towel?

[2160] I just pitch it to them and I don't say anything.

[2161] And then I see if they read it.

[2162] And then I hope they giggle.

[2163] I know what they giggle too.

[2164] But I won't go like, look at my towels, which I'm doing right now.

[2165] Yeah, and a lot of them do listen.

[2166] I think Perfect 10 Charlie listens to a lot.

[2167] He does.

[2168] Happy Birthday Perfect 10 Charlie.

[2169] Shout out.

[2170] Oh, my God.

[2171] Happiest of birthdays, Perfect 10 Charlie.

[2172] Okay.

[2173] All right.

[2174] What episode Apparenthood was Dawes in?

[2175] Great question.

[2176] I was very upset that I didn't know.

[2177] You didn't even ring a bell, did it?

[2178] No, it did.

[2179] And that's why I was like, wait, what was that again?

[2180] I know what you're thinking about now, which I had forgotten.

[2181] She dated this great, oh, I'm so embarrassed.

[2182] I can't think of his name at this moment.

[2183] He was a real life lead singer of a very popular band.

[2184] But then he was a full -on actor on her show.

[2185] He was on many, many episodes, and he was phenomenal.

[2186] And I loved him.

[2187] that's who had a thing with May. And he was mean.

[2188] Like he was a bad boy.

[2189] Well, he's like rock star.

[2190] Yeah, but he was like mean to her.

[2191] Oh, he was.

[2192] Okay, the episode is called politics.

[2193] Peter, your best buddy Peter.

[2194] Peter Krausen, much love.

[2195] Directed it.

[2196] This is what was happening with Crosby in that episode.

[2197] Oh.

[2198] Okay, so Adam wanted to sign Dawes.

[2199] That's why it was, they were in the episode.

[2200] It was this whole thing.

[2201] and you were going to have to bend your usual rules in order to stock dawes and bring them to work at the luncheonette.

[2202] But you are also dealing with Jasmine moving in with Dr. Joe.

[2203] Oh, that fucking Dr. Joe.

[2204] That son of a bitch.

[2205] You know someone put fucking Dr. Joe's cookies in my trailer?

[2206] What's that mean?

[2207] I think they're like Trader Joe's brand.

[2208] They're like Oreos.

[2209] They're like Joe's.

[2210] Oh, yeah.

[2211] Yeah, Dr. Joe's.

[2212] And get the fucking Dr. Joe's out of my, yeah.

[2213] I would have this whole thing where I hated Dr. Joe.

[2214] Well, yeah, maybe you were feeling method.

[2215] Yeah, that's right.

[2216] And then I know what happened with Dr. Joe.

[2217] Tyree slash Jabbar got hurt.

[2218] And we took them to Dr. fucking Joe.

[2219] I know.

[2220] And Dr. Joe did a great job.

[2221] And I think I saw.

[2222] Well, no, he helped my son.

[2223] No, I love Dr. Joe.

[2224] But then, spoiler, you end up with Jasmine anyway.

[2225] In a rainstorm.

[2226] Even though.

[2227] Maybe that's why you think they're romantic.

[2228] You had a very romantic scene.

[2229] Oh, that's a good idea.

[2230] You're also dating the cello player.

[2231] Oh, right.

[2232] I remember that.

[2233] Sure.

[2234] Sure, sure, sure.

[2235] There's a lot of sex tension that show.

[2236] Oh, my gosh.

[2237] So many tensiony.

[2238] All right.

[2239] So that's Dawes.

[2240] Okay.

[2241] Covered that.

[2242] Great.

[2243] There's also Michael Jordan UNC moments, best moments.

[2244] Oh.

[2245] Okay, I'm just going to read the head.

[2246] headlines.

[2247] Okay.

[2248] The cradle dunk versus Maryland.

[2249] That was 1984.

[2250] 84.

[2251] George Orwell.

[2252] The Rock, the cradle dunk became a fixture in Jordan's deep rolladex of high -flying slams.

[2253] Oh, high -flying slams.

[2254] The tip -in and steal against Virginia 1983.

[2255] Tar Heels were in trouble, down 16 points with 843 remaining.

[2256] 16 points?

[2257] This was a furious UNC run cut The, oh, God, I don't know any of these words.

[2258] Okay.

[2259] So they won.

[2260] Oh, spoiler alert.

[2261] Hope no one has that T -vode.

[2262] The career high 39 points against Georgia Tech.

[2263] The career high 39 points.

[2264] Sorry, Georgia Tech.

[2265] Not sorry.

[2266] Of course, 39 is a long way from 63.

[2267] That's his NBA high.

[2268] Holy shit.

[2269] That's okay.

[2270] Will Chamberlain got 100 points in the game.

[2271] Don't worry about that.

[2272] Okay, don't worry.

[2273] The Duke performance, 9.

[2274] 1983.

[2275] For every compilation of Great Tar Heel moments, at least one has to be against Duke.

[2276] The championship winning shot versus Georgetown.

[2277] That was 1982.

[2278] That might be the one that that was on Last Dance.

[2279] When it's a championship, that's always a big deal.

[2280] Yes.

[2281] People will probably be curious why I haven't, I didn't talk about the race on Thursday's fact check.

[2282] So I just got to get that out there really quick.

[2283] The F1 race?

[2284] Second race of the season.

[2285] Saudi Arabia.

[2286] Let me set the table.

[2287] Brand new cars for 2022.

[2288] Entirely designed differently.

[2289] They operate differently.

[2290] The downforce is coming from underneath.

[2291] They're trying to clean up the turbulence behind the car.

[2292] It's changed everything.

[2293] It's been radical.

[2294] Wow.

[2295] And we don't know what team's going to be great yet.

[2296] Cars that are usually in last are up in the middle, so on, so forth.

[2297] Mercedes.

[2298] I saw.

[2299] Yeah, they're like a mid -pack team this year.

[2300] That's crazy.

[2301] At any rate, it does appear that Ferrari has the best car.

[2302] I think you could say Ferrari has the best car, at least out of the gates.

[2303] That's not to say that they won't be altered in some way.

[2304] Ferrari had the advantage.

[2305] Ferrari qualified Max.

[2306] They were all practices Ferrari were running faster.

[2307] Got to give it up to Perez.

[2308] He got pole position.

[2309] He had a fucking flyer, a banger, a goddamn, it was a showstopper of a lap in qualifying and ended up in pole position.

[2310] But Max started way down and forth with arguably not as good of a car.

[2311] And he raced his little hard out, his little Dutch hard out.

[2312] He trailed the whole race.

[2313] until the last three laps.

[2314] And there's this really crazy new dynamic happening because the cars are so different, all these changes were to encourage the drivers to follow each other much closer.

[2315] Oh.

[2316] Because when they used to do that, they would lose 47 % of their down force.

[2317] So they could no longer turn in the corners.

[2318] But now there's not nearly as much turbulent air.

[2319] They can follow really closely.

[2320] There's this thing, DRS.

[2321] If you're less than a second behind the person in front of you, in a DRS zone, you drop the wing, you get more speed down the straightaway, up to 18 or 19 kilometers an hour faster on the straightaway.

[2322] Okay.

[2323] But the problem is, is so if you are to pass somebody, let's say in this case, LaClerc was in the lead, he's in the lead, he's in the lead.

[2324] Max could pass him, but if he passes him on that last turn, he will be ahead as they cross the DRS zone, and then LeClerc will have DRS.

[2325] So what he's got to do, now this is a whole new dynamic this season.

[2326] They're trying to time their passes against these DRS.

[2327] And it just came about in this race And to watch people real -time adjust for it Because there was a moment where Max had passed him But then all of a sudden, Leclercad had DRS right away, passed him right back.

[2328] Okay, he learned.

[2329] Next time around, he's going to pass him there And then he realized, I can't pass him here.

[2330] They both locked up the brakes going into the last door.

[2331] Smoke everywhere.

[2332] Fuck, this is crazy.

[2333] Wow.

[2334] And then in the last fucking time, Maxi timed it just perfectly where he was gaining all of his momentum him, but he didn't pass them in the turn where he normally pass, and he just waited to right after they crossed DRS.

[2335] He had the leap, but he had DRS, and then fucking Leclair couldn't catch them.

[2336] It was so exhilarating.

[2337] Wow.

[2338] Fun.

[2339] Last two laps.

[2340] He got it.

[2341] Nice.

[2342] Oh, man, I hate to say, everyone knows where my allegiance is lie.

[2343] Yeah, you like Max.

[2344] I do.

[2345] How was your weekend?

[2346] My weekend was good.

[2347] I watched a lot of severance.

[2348] So good.

[2349] Let's talk about that really quick.

[2350] I started it and I'm caught up.

[2351] I mean, it's a week by week.

[2352] Yeah.

[2353] So I'm caught up until a new episode.

[2354] It's so good.

[2355] Adam Scott, who we loved death.

[2356] I don't want to give too much.

[2357] You can't, we can't talk too much about it.

[2358] Can we talk about it?

[2359] It's on Apple Plus.

[2360] It's Adam Scott, John Taturo.

[2361] John Totoro.

[2362] He's impeccable in it.

[2363] And he always is.

[2364] I know.

[2365] And you just get reminded every time he's in something like, oh my God, he is one of the most unique.

[2366] authentic, stimulating actors to watch say words.

[2367] It's incredible.

[2368] Yes, it's incredible.

[2369] Maybe we can say the premise in a light way.

[2370] It's a high concept.

[2371] I guess in theory it's in the future, but you can't really, but maybe not.

[2372] But a very simple one, not like crazy sci -fi.

[2373] Just one advancement that they figure out in medical science that allows this crazy thing to happen.

[2374] Very believable.

[2375] Yeah.

[2376] And it creates so many thoughts while you're watching it.

[2377] So many.

[2378] Great show.

[2379] I would highly recommend.

[2380] Favorite new show in a while.

[2381] Yeah, same.

[2382] All right.

[2383] All right.

[2384] Was that Eddie?

[2385] Any, Audi.

[2386] Oh, damn.

[2387] Easter egg.

[2388] Oh, just one more quick thing.

[2389] You know, I like watching videos, cooking, skin care.

[2390] I also like watching Architectural Digest Home Tours.

[2391] Oh.

[2392] Mandy Moore has a great one.

[2393] She does.

[2394] Her house in Pasadena is on there, and it's gorgeous.

[2395] I want to look.

[2396] Send it to me. Okay.

[2397] All right.

[2398] Love you.

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