#1746 - Blaire White

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[3] So this dude right here is Travis Walton, and he is one of the most famous UFO abduction.

[4] I don't know if you want to say victim, guys with a story.

[5] Right.

[6] And he gave me a bobblehead.

[7] You ever see that movie?

[8] What was the movie called?

[9] Fire in the sky.

[10] Yes.

[11] Yeah, that's about him.

[12] Oh, it's about him.

[13] Yes.

[14] In the 1970.

[15] he was a logger in Arizona and they saw this light in the sky it came down they went to see what it was there was his craft and he was a young you know according to him just kind of a knucklehead and he got a little close to it that's the movie and he got close to it and when he got close to it supposedly according to him some burst of energy came from the thing and knocked him back knocked him unconscious all his friends took off they panicked including one guy who hated him One guy who actually got into a fist fight with him that day.

[16] So it's not like these are his friends that he like had this coordinated story with.

[17] They took off.

[18] They were freaking out.

[19] And then they came to their senses like, we got to go back.

[20] We can't leave him there.

[21] They went back.

[22] He was gone.

[23] And he was gone for five days.

[24] I believe it was five days.

[25] I've always been fascinated with UFO shit.

[26] But I feel like so many people lie and it makes it so hard.

[27] Like I literally lied about when I was a kid.

[28] I remember like being in the car.

[29] And like I was probably eight or nine.

[30] and I was like, I should just talk people I saw a UFO.

[31] So I said to my mom, I saw a UFO as we're driving.

[32] And then that was my story for years until I was like 13.

[33] Yeah, it gets you extra attention.

[34] That's the problem with fantastical tales, whether it's ghosts or psychics or any of that stuff.

[35] I was going to say psychics.

[36] Same with psychics.

[37] It makes you special.

[38] Makes you a guru.

[39] I have a buddy of mine who fucking full -on believes in psychics.

[40] He's like, bro, the psychic knew all about my grandmother.

[41] And I go, don't you know about your grandmother?

[42] I go, you know about your grandmother, right?

[43] I go, so what the fuck?

[44] Tell this person to tell you some shit you don't know.

[45] Right.

[46] So that's my mom.

[47] So my mom, as long as I've been alive, has been super into mediums, psychics, had them around.

[48] And, like, I've always just felt like that shit was bullshit because they would tell her things that I just knew weren't true.

[49] So, like, when my dad died, she sought out this medium who claimed to connect with him.

[50] And the medium wrote her a letter that was things from my dad that he was saying to her from beyond, right?

[51] And, like, that's the thing.

[52] It was nothing he would have ever said.

[53] it was like, I don't remember, it was just some fluffy bullshit.

[54] My dad was not a fluffy person.

[55] And it was like, this bitch is lying to you, but it's disrespectful.

[56] It's crazy.

[57] Maybe he got fluffy once he died.

[58] I mean, maybe.

[59] Released from all the spiritual, you know, boundaries, the things that are tying him down, all the human body problems.

[60] Maybe.

[61] I guess he became a sissy after he died or something.

[62] A sissy.

[63] And then I became a sissy after he died.

[64] Do you think that one of these things, this is Travis Walton's aliens, do you?

[65] Do you think that this is the problem that I have with these little aliens is that they make sense.

[66] It's like this is what we're going to look like one day.

[67] You actually see humanity slowly morphing into this.

[68] Everyone's becoming a little more feminized.

[69] Everyone's becoming a little smaller.

[70] Yeah.

[71] And I think our heads are getting bigger.

[72] They definitely are from the time when we're lower primates.

[73] And I think that if they can figure out a way to replace breeding, right?

[74] Like part of the problem that people have is the instinct.

[75] breed and like we have the same the same biological impulses that animals that can't talk have right the the idea is to protect your young to make sure that you can pass on your genes to defend your territory against intruders that's the same same instincts that chimps have but yet we have nuclear weapons cell phones yeah when when you look at you know little aliens like that it's like you have this almost like inner feeling like yeah that makes sense that makes sense And then you see ancient like archaeological drawings and art and it's like, why have they just kind of always been around?

[76] I don't know.

[77] Yeah.

[78] That image has always been around.

[79] Yeah.

[80] I believe in them more than I believe in psychics.

[81] I'll say that.

[82] I don't necessarily not believe in psychics, but I don't believe the ones that are getting paid that have like a neon sign outside of their house.

[83] Oh yeah, for sure.

[84] But that's what's like even more unbelievable is that people would believe it.

[85] Well, the crazy thing is imagine if it was true, if like that was the best psychic.

[86] There was actually just.

[87] a person that had a house and they didn't care if you believe them or not believe them but you go in there that would be like a stephen king movie right you go in there and they really do know some things they touch your hand and they really can see your past and see your future and see where you're going yeah yeah i don't know i've always avoided that shit because i actually talked to a psychic on my youtube channel and she told me i was going to get pregnant so it's not going to happen l -o -l -l right i was like this bitch get the fuck out of my house with a house call too but who knows maybe in like fucking 20 years it might be a thing no no no no no even if it's a thing I'm not opting for it because that baby's coming out fucked up.

[88] That baby's coming out.

[89] You say that now, but with CRISPR, and I think that there's going to come a time where like if someone is trans, that you are going to be able to opt for a procedure that will switch you.

[90] Chromosones switch you to a double X or switch you to an X, Y, whatever you want.

[91] I think you're going to be able to completely manipulate bodies.

[92] Oh yeah, for sure.

[93] That's definitely the trajectory we're on.

[94] I just don't want to be maybe the first thousand people to do it Because that baby's coming out with like no arm Or like is trans themselves Which is also a fucking nightmare Or psychotic Yeah, exactly The baby comes out with no emotions at all Or just starts like killing you from the inside Like a shark?

[95] Do you know like sharks Sharks will eat their siblings inside the womb There's like I don't know if it's true I've never even found out of this is true So if it's not true people just say it Yeah but I mean what I meant was There's like an x -ray of sharks in the womb and they're all like, ah, mouth open, like a bunch of them swimming around together.

[96] I'm like, I wonder if that's real or that's horseshit.

[97] I never looked in.

[98] Jamie will find out.

[99] I don't know.

[100] Whenever I have questions, I don't even bother Googling them.

[101] I just wait until I come to work.

[102] Exactly.

[103] And I asked Jamie.

[104] Exactly.

[105] Seems accurate.

[106] Does it really?

[107] Yeah.

[108] Is there an image of it that's real?

[109] Oh, well.

[110] That's what I'm talking about.

[111] You gotta get it on tape.

[112] That's a different thing.

[113] There was an x -ray image of like, looked like a womb filled with a bunch of sharks floating around in there.

[114] Really?

[115] Yeah.

[116] I think that x -ray image was not real.

[117] Well, Well, do sharks, here's the question, do sharks lay eggs like a regular fish?

[118] Yes.

[119] Or do they give birth to fish?

[120] I'm pretty sure they lay eggs, too.

[121] So then it's not possible that they eat each other in the womb because they wouldn't be in the womb.

[122] Oh, yeah, in the womb, I'm sorry.

[123] So, yeah, that's why I thought that.

[124] So this says they eat hatched embryos will begin to eat surrounding eggs in some cases, like Sam Tiger Sharks.

[125] Oh, that makes sense.

[126] But see, I find that so much more interesting than the conversation about aliens is, like, life underwater and how much we haven't discovered, how much life just exists here.

[127] Like, I'm a lot more fascinated with this planet than I am, like, the universe in some senses.

[128] I'm a lot more fascinated with the universe.

[129] Yeah.

[130] But I'm pretty fascinated with this planet, too.

[131] It's like, did you see that?

[132] I put something on my Instagram a couple weeks ago.

[133] This thing called a telescope fish that literally can swallow something bigger than itself.

[134] Is this crazy little demon fish that lives like 5 ,000 meters below the surface of the water?

[135] It's like this crazy deep water fish that has eyeballs that look like binocular.

[136] and this motherfucker swallows.

[137] Imagine a person smaller than you swallows you.

[138] Exactly.

[139] Just walks up to you and just goes and opens his fucking crazy mouth and sucks your whole body into it.

[140] See if you find that.

[141] That's nuts.

[142] Look at this thing.

[143] Well, I got a video of the shark eating as sibling in the wheel.

[144] Oh, well, give me that.

[145] Oh, that's a good real.

[146] I'm trying to figure out what's happening.

[147] I can't tell what's happening in the video.

[148] Oh, that can be real.

[149] Right.

[150] Well, I mean, that's Eat in the womb?

[151] How's that in the womb?

[152] That's what it says, but I don't know that's what it is.

[153] God damn it, YouTube.

[154] I thought those were the grays.

[155] It looks like the grays.

[156] Yeah, that looks like aliens.

[157] Yeah.

[158] Yeah, I don't know if that's real.

[159] Right.

[160] All right.

[161] I'll be look up telescope shark on.

[162] No, it's a telescope fish.

[163] It's on my Instagram, but just a couple of pictures of it.

[164] But if you just Google telescope fish, I think it's a fairly recent discovery.

[165] Because that's one of things they say.

[166] It's like they've only discovered like 10 % of the ocean.

[167] Yeah, very small.

[168] Look at that fucker.

[169] look the fact that that's real wait it's kind of cute though look at that it looks cute cute until it swallows you right oh my god so what happens to its body when it just kind of expands yeah it expands well this one on the left is an art picture yeah that's not this is from Smithsonian so that's a real photo yeah that's real photo and that one in the middle is a real photo that you had highlighted earlier that's fake I don't think that's fake I don't think that's real that looks CGI almost yeah but I think that one up and top is real it's kind of cute middle kind of looks like me in the morning a little bit look at that I mean that looks like he's got binoculars that looks like a guardians of the galaxy like alien that doesn't that doesn't look real those things live on the bottom of the ocean that's why it's always so interesting thinking about like underwater life because these are the aliens that already exist you look at a jellyfish just like that's a fucking alien yeah octopus is a fucking alien you ever see when they change colors and change yeah they're not They're not like anything else on this planet The cephalophods They're like something from a science fiction movie They can literally stop on a reef and become the reef Right And then snatch sharks away they eat sharks You ever see that?

[170] No, I've never seen octopus eat a fucking shark Yeah, they were trying to find out There was an aquarium And I forget where the aquarium was But they were missing sharks What the fuck's going on?

[171] We're missing sharks And so they thought like someone was breaking into the aquarium Stealing sharks and they found this octopus who's just like laying in weight and then sharks would swim by and they're like bitch and they would just grab them know they were even capable of that that's crazy they're they're crazier than that the female octopuses regularly eat the males so what the female octopuses are matriarchal they're bigger than the males and one of the things that they do is occasionally they eat males but not always so they observe this one octopus pair the male and the female they made it 12 times and then when the male went in for the 13th time the female's like that's enough wow and killed them and ate them and then stuffed them into like a reef and like ate them over the course of like several days feminism but it's uh it's a hard world out there I mean when you're living in the ocean there's no indoors see that's that's the shark getting jacked by the octopus oh wow yeah it's just wrapping yeah Google it from the or sorry I rewind it?

[172] It was sort of just swimming by it.

[173] Yeah, it shows, but it shows them snatch it.

[174] So the thing is swimming by, shark thinks he's the king of the sea, and the octopus is, like, literally, it looks like a part of the reef.

[175] Until he swims by, and watch this.

[176] Bitch.

[177] Oh, shit.

[178] Yeah.

[179] Have you seen the Nature's Metal Instagram account?

[180] Yes.

[181] Dude, half the time we'll just be scrolling, having a good day.

[182] And it's like you're not supposed to attribute emotion to it because it's emotionless, but at the same time, I'm like, oh, my God.

[183] on my day's flock I just saw like a gazelle getting ravaged by a whatever a crocodile yeah exactly that's the craziest shit is when they know that some of them are going to get killed by crocodiles and they all have to make it across the river and you see the crocodile's heads just poking up and moving towards them and they're just running and hoping that they get out of there oh look at this one that's a jaguar with a crocodile in his mouth it's pretty yeah it's a tough world out there yeah I'm seeing more wildlife and nature shit than ever living here It's like everywhere you go there's roadkill I was driving the other day we're in Austin I was driving the other day and There was just these two beautiful elk In the middle of the highway They're definitely not elk Okay whatever they were deer Deer, they were deer But they were just dead You could tell they were freshly hit I literally was like oh my God But that's Well this is the rut We're in the middle of the rut The rut is probably actually not the middle This is the end It's probably over It's right around Thanksgiving is the rut And what the rut is is when they breed once a year.

[184] It's one time of year they get some action.

[185] And then in the spring, the babies are born.

[186] So right now is when they get after it.

[187] And so they get really stupid.

[188] See, it looked like a male and a female.

[189] One was significantly larger.

[190] And I was like, this happy couple just died.

[191] Did they both have antlers or no?

[192] One.

[193] One did, yeah.

[194] So it's probably that the male probably chased her out into the street because he's trying to get some.

[195] She's like, leave me a little, bitch.

[196] And she's just trying to get away.

[197] And she gets hit by a truck.

[198] And then he's like, Bam, boom, and he gets hit too.

[199] Yeah.

[200] But what's scary is, like, you can die hitting one of these things.

[201] You know what I mean?

[202] You can go straight through your windshield.

[203] So I'm just ever since driving past that, I'm very aware, because I'm already a bad driver.

[204] My buddy lives in Oregon, and a man behind a man who hit a deer died.

[205] So the guy in front hit a deer, the deer went flying through the air, the car behind it.

[206] The deer went through that windshield and killed the guy.

[207] Fuck.

[208] Yeah, fuck.

[209] That's really shitty way to die.

[210] Because he was in the air.

[211] Yeah, yeah.

[212] So he's going 65 miles an hour and this, this fucking 150 -pound mass of meat and bones and antlers just hits him in the face.

[213] Just shattered his brain and snapped his neck.

[214] This wild fish is real, by the way.

[215] Oh, it's real.

[216] Sarcastic fringe head.

[217] What a weird name?

[218] Sarcastic.

[219] What's sarcastic about that?

[220] I don't know.

[221] That's why I didn't make sure it was even real.

[222] I won't kill you.

[223] Look at it.

[224] That's a fucking.

[225] Whoa, look at that mouth.

[226] Fuck.

[227] Wow.

[228] That's cool.

[229] It looks like without the mouth open.

[230] Yeah, the ocean is filled with, it's monster soup.

[231] It's filled with fucking wild creatures.

[232] But the thing that fascinates me about spaces, there's an infinite amount of planets out there that have an infinite amount of species.

[233] That's like it's not just what we have in our ocean, which is pretty fucking crazy and interesting.

[234] But an infinite number of those things out there and an infinite number of creatures that are terrestrial as well as underwater.

[235] Where would you say it's probably the nearest?

[236] Like some people say Europa.

[237] I've also heard the upper hemisphere of Venus is the closest to earth -like conditions which I don't know how that is but I've heard that.

[238] Yeah, I've heard that.

[239] What's the closest to earth -like conditions?

[240] Like the temperature.

[241] Really?

[242] Yeah.

[243] They think Venus at one point in time wasn't that hot.

[244] Because the surface, I think the surface is extremely hot.

[245] Like they've sent down rovers, they got melted within seconds.

[246] It was being on, yeah.

[247] I think at one point in time it wasn't, though.

[248] I think all of it has changed over time.

[249] Like Mars at one point in time used to be hospitable, like to life.

[250] They think that...

[251] People think we came here from Mars.

[252] There's a lot of people that think.

[253] There's the Dogan tribe in Africa that their whole lore is about that we came from Mars.

[254] And they just found, or there's like pictures people are speculating, and there's like a cube object structure that they found on Mars.

[255] No, that's on the moon.

[256] Oh, the moon, okay.

[257] That's China is actually investigating that right now.

[258] They have a rover.

[259] Yeah, they're beating us at everything.

[260] Do you're going to learn Mandarin?

[261] Are you just going to give in?

[262] What are you going to do?

[263] I'm going to give it.

[264] I'm going to resist as long as I fucking can.

[265] I thought it was really interesting, recently, finding out what China's doing with the algorithms with TikTok.

[266] So you have, like, you look at kids in America and their algorithm on TikTok, they're scrolling, and it's like someone with green hair telling them they're like a dummy boy and like learning about all the flags.

[267] And then you go to China and it's like science experiments and like shit that makes you a better person.

[268] Yeah.

[269] Well, not only that, they won't allow children to be online using apps after like 10 p .m. Yeah, there's a lockout.

[270] Yeah, it's like from 10 p .m. to 6 a .m. there's a lockout.

[271] And then what they're exposing their kids to is all like kids doing incredible things, science projects, great sports accomplishments.

[272] They're showing positive role models.

[273] Which that part, I'm like, why not?

[274] Why not?

[275] The lockout, I don't know.

[276] They're very strong.

[277] They have this national pride of China that's directed by the CCP that has its benefits and it's negative.

[278] The negative is that they're controlling what's acceptable and not acceptable.

[279] And then any dissenters get locked up and killed.

[280] That's not good.

[281] Right.

[282] But then you think about, I don't know, I'm just looking at what's happening to like Gen Z and kids in this country and so much of the shit they're being indoctrinated with.

[283] And you look at them and it's like, well, they're not going to have that problem.

[284] Maybe it's some other problems, but at least don't have that problem.

[285] What do you think is causing all of the issues that people in Gen Z or whatever you would say are having that maybe generation before them didn't have to deal with.

[286] What do you think is the cause of it?

[287] Well, I think one of the main differences between how I grew up, and I'm only 28, it's not like I was in school that long ago.

[288] But it seems as if there's a lot of, just based on what you see online, like activists that become teachers, and they go into these classroom settings with the intention of teaching kids about LGBT shit, about critical race theory.

[289] It seems as if people specifically have gone into it to indoctrinate people.

[290] Whereas, like, I remember all my teachers.

[291] It's like they avoided, being political at all costs because they knew it would upset parents and I think that's kind of the way to go not entirely but I think that's healthier yeah it's weird when people don't have their own shit together but they want to teach kids yeah it's it's I'm not against people talking about anything in school same but I think that the problem is when they're indoctrinating children into an idea and they're saying that this is right and this is the way to do it like this is really clear right or wrong.

[292] Like, hey, don't steal, don't rob, don't kill people, don't rape.

[293] There's, don't start arson.

[294] There's a lot of like real clear yes and knows.

[295] But then when it gets to certain issues, it's like some people have different religious beliefs.

[296] Some people have different social beliefs.

[297] It's good to talk about them.

[298] But you should be able to have someone from both sides discuss it.

[299] Like, I've talked about this before, but when I was a kid, when I was in high school, there was a guy named Barney Frank, who was a congressman in Massachusetts.

[300] And back then he was in the closet, but since then he's come out.

[301] But he was the left -wing representative, and there was a guy from this group that was called the Moral Majority.

[302] The moral majority at the time was like, they were like a right -wing.

[303] They were kind of goofy.

[304] They were right -wing, but they were sloppy.

[305] Like the ideology wasn't well -formulated, and the people that bought it.

[306] They were like sort of like Q -N -on -on people.

[307] without the conspiracy theory, they're goofy.

[308] You know what I mean?

[309] They're goofy.

[310] So this guy and Barney Frank debated in an auditorium in our high school when I was like 14, 15 years old.

[311] And it was really interesting because we got to see one guy who had this like very staunch right -wing perspective.

[312] And then Barney Frank, who is much more articulate and much more, at least seemingly intelligent, picked his ideas apart and had a much better presentation.

[313] and we got to walk out of there and talk about it and have our own opinions about things.

[314] That doesn't exist anymore.

[315] It doesn't exist anymore.

[316] Now kids are getting, instead of getting educated as to the pros and cons of different perspectives, a lot of kids, you know, obviously depending upon the school, they're getting indoctrinated into these ideas.

[317] And it depends what city.

[318] It depends.

[319] Are you in a blue city and a blue state?

[320] Red city and a red state.

[321] Red and a blue, you know what I mean?

[322] But also, like, I guess it's just, the fact that there's not both sides shown to a lot of the shit.

[323] Like for me, I don't think there's any reason why preschoolers need to learn about LGBT and be shown all this flag that's like you see pictures of teachers in classrooms with like every possible variation of like LGBT flag, non -binary flag, all the shit with like five -year -olds.

[324] And it's like to them, it just looks like really cool, colorful shit that kids are naturally going to be attracted to.

[325] And so it's not a shock to me that you have like little kids now identifying as LGBT when you can make the argument that like that's just society progressing so naturally more people will identify but like five -year -olds and the same massive leap it's been used to be like 0 .01 percent now it's like what it was 0 .01 percent how many of them just hit it well that's for trans though I don't know but it's not just for trans I mean for whether it's gay lesbian trans anything like how many people hid their sexuality or their sexual preference or what their identity was a lot for sure But because the interesting thing is in the past, it was always kind of like a social net negative to come out.

[326] It's like your life only got harder, but you weren't praised in the way we are now.

[327] It's like society only knows how to do like extremes of anything.

[328] It's like used to be total shame and getting jumped and beat up because you're the faggot, which was my life as a kid.

[329] And now it's like five -year -olds being told like they're like an inspiration and a hero because they're non -binary and they're going to go on hormones.

[330] by the time they're 11 it's like just chill when did you feel if you can remember when did you feel like something was off that you were supposed to be a girl like five at five yeah i remember being in preschool like my earliest memories in life were feeling like the only way i can describe was like a very intense misalignment between the way i was perceived and the way i had myself concept um so i would say five uh but obviously i didn't have the words to articulate it at five Was that when you first started going, did you go to preschool?

[331] So was that when you were around other kids?

[332] Is that when you started feeling it?

[333] Yeah.

[334] First of all, I mean, preschool is kind of like the earliest time.

[335] People even have memories.

[336] But also, like, that's when you start being socially separated by gender.

[337] It's like, you know, I have a very vivid memory of like the boys cubby area where you put your backpack in your schoolwork and the girls.

[338] And it was like the girls was pink, the boys was blue.

[339] And that's superficial, but you start to see the division really early.

[340] And I just had this inherent sense that.

[341] I would never be able to fit into like a mailness ever.

[342] I don't know why.

[343] And the feelings only got more intense as I got older.

[344] Then I hit puberty and it was like, oh shit, something's really off.

[345] Like, holy fuck.

[346] And then eventually at 18, I started making the steps.

[347] So there was never a moment where you were confused as to whether or not this is the right thing to do.

[348] It was always confused as to why am I a boy?

[349] there is definitely confusion and trepidation about like is it the right thing for me to transition that's like a huge decision but i think is taken like way too lightly now um and things have changed really quickly with how that decision is treated in society uh but i guess i just had it was just a progression of like understanding it more and more understanding like why am i uncomfortable with being called him by people when i'm literally a him like why is that something that would make me feel uncomfortable why is that something that would cause me stress or anxiety um and it just got worse and worse and i considered living with it i thought maybe i'll just live with it but it got to a little bit of a breaking point where i was like god damn it do you remember the first person you reached out to about those um i think my mom but i've i've always been the kind of person that like once i decide something i just decided and i just go so it was it was almost like a very non -casual call i was like hey mom so um I think I'm going to transition and see you at Christmas she's just like this was a phone call when you were not at home you weren't living at home anymore yeah I had moved very briefly to Michigan for a boyfriend was a horrible relationship but um yeah it was almost like casual and I think people weren't necessarily shocked because I was always naturally very feminine my voice never dropped I was I was called a faggot when I was four everyone saw it yeah everyone saw it before me I didn't know what faggot it was everyone did like I didn't know what a faget was but I knew I was one So a little four -year -old called you that?

[350] Oh, yeah, all the kids.

[351] Jesus.

[352] I grew up in a very, like, small sheltered town, which has its perked in a place called Corning, California, very northern California, the most red part of California.

[353] People don't realize that California is San Francisco, L .A., San Diego, and Kentucky.

[354] Yeah, it's literally.

[355] No one even pays attention to the very top half, and you go up there and you're like, oh, people live different here.

[356] It's not.

[357] Yeah, it's not even the top half.

[358] If you drive from L .A. to San Francisco, it's Kentucky.

[359] Yeah.

[360] Yeah, and it's a whole lot of nothing.

[361] Fucking farmland with like fuck Joe Biden signs everywhere.

[362] It's wild.

[363] Yeah, that's what's crazy about like as a lifelong Californian until recently.

[364] It's like it's always just been this thing where like L .A. pushes the narrative of California and San Francisco pushes the narrative of California.

[365] But it's really far from the truth.

[366] So I grew up in a in a small town where I was like the town weirdo, which was totally fine.

[367] I think it prepared me for the life I have now a little bit.

[368] But so everyone saw it before me, basically.

[369] No one was shocked.

[370] And did you grow up with your, was the nuclear family attacked?

[371] Was your father living with you?

[372] Yeah, I had a mom and a dad and a half -brother.

[373] And how did the dad feel about everything?

[374] He died before I came out, so I don't really know.

[375] Yeah, I died of cancer when I was 19, and I started transition officially at 20, 28 now.

[376] My mom has been supportive.

[377] I don't really talk to my brother not because of that but because he's a severe drug addict and out of jail I was the only person in my nuclear family, immediate family that wasn't addicted to some sort of substance but that's the case with small kind of towns like that it's like what do you do?

[378] It's just meth there was no bowling alley, no Walmart wasn't even a Walmart in my town people just did meth it's what you did I've never done meth but meth is like so industrious they get everywhere 100 % jobs don't get everywhere but meth gets everywhere It's how people...

[379] Yes.

[380] And it's how people get through life in those towns.

[381] Yeah.

[382] Oxy meth, something, anything.

[383] Yeah.

[384] It's hard when you see people that come from these, like, very rural towns where there's not much going on and they don't have any hope.

[385] And there's no...

[386] Like, you know that people live a different life in other places, but you don't know how you could get to those places.

[387] And what, I mean, what do you do?

[388] You save up money.

[389] Try to get a job when you move there.

[390] Like, just take a...

[391] chance and that takes a lot of courage that's the the main thing when I I think everyone kind of checks up on like people from their past from their high school family members whatever so I'll go on Facebook and look and like the the main thing I see in a lot of people from my hometown not to bash them because it's whatever it's like a lot of hopelessness and a lot of like never really left the town like my mom she visited me here in Austin the other day a couple weeks ago and she was like this is only the third state I've ever been to I'm like you've only been to California Oregon because it's next to California a literal like four hour drive from where I grew up in Texas like that's just crazy to me and she's like in her 50s it's like how do you but I see the way it shapes like their worldview too you know what I mean because they haven't seen the world that's a lot of people that's most people it's a giant chunk of people a lot of people they get out of high school they do whatever they do whether they go to school or whether they go and get a job and they kind of stay around where they are and you know and then they have this sort of very narrow view of the world because of that yeah and they don't necessarily understand your experience it because so i moved to la a few years ago and i was there for five years um and like when all the riots happened in 2020 i remember calling my family and just saying like hey i'm sure you're seeing the news i'm sure you're slightly concerned for my safety the city is on fire but i'm actually going up to the mountains i'll be there for the foreseeable future and then i'll come back when things calmed down they're like oh but you're not racist so you'll be fine right i was like you think these people are just walking around just attacking racist like no like how do you feel about affirmative value they're holding a brick how do you feel about front of action it's like okay so what you don't understand is i'm by no means this group of people's favorite person being antifa black lives matter i've literally had antifa show up to my speaking events before um so i'm why have they showed up at your speaking events they say i'm transphobic what you don't know w t That's the dumbest fucking thing That's like me being anti -male That's so stupid Right and you'll get called transphover grabbing me on I'll get called well I'll get called transphobic for everything Yeah well exactly me too That's what's so fucking stupid about it I got first called transphobic because of the Fallon Fox thing Because that fighter that was being the shit out of biological women Without telling them that she was a man Cracked one of their skulls within like 30 seconds bragging about it and i was like that's fucking crazy and people are like you're out of line you're you're a bigot like what are you saying and granted i used uh very inappropriate language and very colorful language to describe this because i was furious as you should be but i wouldn't be and here's there's another recent case that people brought before me like this is outrageous this bullshit of a guy who i think he was a ranger or a seal like super fucking jacked like ripped dude who transitioned and became a woman and fought this woman, I don't have a problem with that.

[392] Zero problem with that.

[393] Because it was her decision.

[394] Just like, I don't have a problem with people riding bulls.

[395] I don't have a problem with people free diving with sharks.

[396] Do whatever the fuck you want to do.

[397] But the foul and fox things, the opponents didn't know, right?

[398] Exactly.

[399] Exactly.

[400] The first two fighters didn't know that she was a biological male for 30 years.

[401] It's fucked up.

[402] And she said that it was a medical decision.

[403] It was a medical issue and it wasn't any of their business that's what that's think your sex is a medical issue it's just kind of a state of being that and it might be important to certain situations like if I go to a doctor's office I always find that it's very important for me to tell them that I'm male to female transsexual because there's going to be certain things that they need to maybe scream me for for my health or look out for that are specifically to biological males and those are things that yeah I can change a lot of that but not all of it but at least that is like patient patient physician relationship and no one's getting assaulted yeah it's but it's also it's it's private yeah this is a public thing so I think her perspective was that if she tells these people that she was a biological male for 30 years and then transition that she'll get publicly persecuted and people would be upset but you got to give people the opportunity to say no like I don't want to compete against someone like this especially in the level of competition that she was facing combat sports specifically yeah but it's also like it's low level combat sports it's like once she fought she she fought a biological female that kicked her ass Ashley Evan Smith who eventually made her way to the UFC um who was talented like very good and won a beating her it's like because it wasn't like she was very good but she had all these advantages of having male hormones flow through your body for 30 plus years yeah that's the big advantage 30 years of it yeah you know what I mean I mean just to be kind of real about it if I for whatever.

[404] Like, right when I moved from L .A. to Texas, I was in between doctors, so I was literally off hormones for maybe three to four weeks.

[405] And, like, I've been on them so consistently for so many years now, but I didn't realize how quickly it gets reversed if you're not on.

[406] Like, I didn't see necessarily physical changes, but just psychologically, like, just so many things.

[407] People really underestimate.

[408] When did you get off?

[409] It was, like, I moved here September 1st, so from, like, September 1st to like October I wasn't on.

[410] And what happened?

[411] What was a shift?

[412] My skin got really oily.

[413] My hair got really oily.

[414] I literally felt my arm hair get slightly thicker.

[415] I have almost no arm hair, but what is there, I felt it get a little bit thicker.

[416] Were you like yikes?

[417] Yeah, I was like, I've got to get a fucking doctor.

[418] Oh my God.

[419] About to get some black market shit.

[420] Don't do that.

[421] No. But yeah, and that's only a month after being on them consistently for eight years.

[422] If you are, if you've lived your life until 30, 35, maybe even longer, you have received the full impact of masculinization via testosterone.

[423] Yeah.

[424] And that's not, that's not inconsequential.

[425] And people act like it is.

[426] It's a huge thing.

[427] Well, there's a guy that was on my podcast recently.

[428] He's name's Derek.

[429] He runs the website, the YouTube page, more plates, more dates.

[430] Have you ever, is, he's like an amateur chemist.

[431] He's a brilliant guy.

[432] But he's done, he knows a lot about steroids.

[433] He's done a lot of steroids himself, and he knows a lot about hormones and hormone optimization, and he even runs a hormone clinic.

[434] And he did a series of videos about the problem with people transitioning and, like, what are the benefits that these athletes are facing that activists are not being straight about?

[435] And, you know, he went over specifically this MMA fighter that used to be, was he a ranger or a seal when he was a male?

[436] I think he was a Navy seal or a Marine Yeah, whatever, jacked Huge motherfucker He was hot Yeah, pretty hot He was like actually pretty hot I was like yeah And then became a woman And started You know, fighting an MMA But again, I have zero problem with that If it's consensual Yeah, special forces So He did a whole video on him Now there's a swimmer Who just beat her slowest The next closest competitor by 38 seconds but see that's that is wild but the thing about that is like i think it's very easy to get a little reactionary to things like this and be like oh this is like a really bad thing and i agree that it's a bad thing especially it's not consensual like you said but like what better way to show one of the major pitfalls of like this ideology like then just seeing it because sports right where it's measurable just to see the like physical difference sometimes between them You don't have to be, like, into sports or a fucking scientist to see, like, oh, that's a huge human, that's a small human, and that person's probably going to have an advantage in some way over this person.

[437] Some of them are just, like, fucking big, and you see them lined up playing track or something, running track, and, like, it's okay.

[438] Those legs are long ago.

[439] The craziest one that I ever heard of?

[440] What?

[441] A 50 -year -old guy transitioned to being female.

[442] Caitlin Jenner?

[443] No, no, no. She's older than that.

[444] She's in her 60s.

[445] Yeah, she is.

[446] 50 -year -old guy and then went back to college and played college ball.

[447] So women's college ball as a 50 -plus -year -old man that's like 6 '5 -this fucking giant person.

[448] What's crazy is here's where it becomes a problem.

[449] If you're a woman, that's the, that's it right there.

[450] Oh, yeah, I've seen that one.

[451] See, this is what I mean.

[452] When you just see it and it's plain as day like that, it's really hard to argue for it.

[453] People still manage to somehow.

[454] These are teenage girls.

[455] I mean, this is, and what's really fucked.

[456] is that these girls, for a lot of these 19, 20 -year -old girls, like, they might be working on a scholarship, right?

[457] Be there through their academic, or their sports merits, and, like.

[458] They might want to play in the NBA as a professional.

[459] And here they're competing against a biological male that's gigantic.

[460] That's a huge person.

[461] Like, why you've got to go back to, and if there's this many trans athletes wanting to compete, like, where are the trans leagues at this point?

[462] It's like those should be a big thing.

[463] That would be great.

[464] I would love to see it.

[465] leagues but then there that would be a problem because the male to female would dominate well yeah I I would say separate it just male to females and maybe female to males separate yeah just like a reverse of what we already have two right like I would love to see found Fox box what's her name Alana McLaughlin the other trans woman fly there the woman the pink hair it's like y 'all just go at it you get out I want to if they're the same way you can't tell me like you wouldn't want to like just hit a one and watch two trainings beat the fuck out of each other that's hilarious it would be it would be it would be more fair for sure if you had male to female league but it's like is there enough are there enough like male to female combat sports athletes that you could actually have a league and have people that would have opponents because you have to have a weight class say if you have a 135 pound weight class you have to have X amount of women in that weight class to compete probably will be soon now that like a huge chunk of like kids are wanting it's going to be more trans people in the future a lot more So this brings me back to the idea of the alien and the idea of CRISPR.

[466] Like if people could just transition, like legitimately transition.

[467] Like into your body.

[468] Yeah, where you're switching.

[469] I think people are going to be the Hulk.

[470] I think you're going to have people that come out like Thor.

[471] They're just going to, you're just going to be able to manipulate genes.

[472] I mean, essentially that Chris Helmsworth guy, what you have there is weightlifting plus steroids, plus genes all those things are amazing and they have to all line up to make Thor you know when you see that guy with his shirt off you're like Jesus that's that's a lineup right you got have a lot of shit in line of things have to fall in order for that if you are a biological female and you transition to be a biological male and you want to look like that guy good luck good fucking luck even though testosterone is a hell of a drug and I've seen some that I'm like well but but still Buck Angel's been on the podcast before I love Buck Angel Very nice guy.

[473] It's a very good person.

[474] Sweet person, real friend.

[475] And just a genuine person.

[476] When you see him and talk to him, you're like, the same thing I see when I talk to you.

[477] You're like, oh, yeah, clearly.

[478] Just makes sense.

[479] Yeah, it just makes sense.

[480] Like, trans makes sense.

[481] Like, it makes sense for a lot of people.

[482] But it's like.

[483] But I also think that it takes a very specific person to transition and end up happy with it.

[484] And like live that life.

[485] very specific person.

[486] What is that person?

[487] I think it's someone who has experienced intense debilitating levels of gender dysphoria.

[488] It's been consistent.

[489] You're insistent on it.

[490] It doesn't go anywhere.

[491] And you seek the solution to fix it, which for some people is transition, but it's not everyone.

[492] I mean, clearly you have like, there's this really alarming growing movement of detransitioners among young people online.

[493] If you look up the word detransition on YouTube, it's a bunch of now becoming like influencers getting like millions of views talking about how they were 16 thought they were trans by the time they're 19 they're done with it but their breasts are gone but their voice is permanently altered but they have you know that their voice permanently altered like what happens if you get on estrogen does that estrogen does not change your voice really no not not even a small amount um you have to kind of like voice train i guess if you i've never done you're so lucky that you have a feminine voice my voice never dropped this is my voice since 13 that's so lucky right for someone to transitions because you don't never have to fake it because like you know who Elizabeth Holmes is I'm obsessed with this lady and I'm sorry I keep bringing it up do you know what Theranos is no Theranos is this gigantic scam it was a oh sorry there no yeah yeah the blood testing scam she has a fake voice and she talks about this and she tried to make herself have a deeper voice so she was taking more seriously but when her friends from college saw her they're like what the fuck you do it bitch why is she talking like that right and then they realized that that's not her voice like oh my god she's pretending she got a deep voice unless something something something yeah but testosterone does change your voice though it does yeah that's why a lot of you see trans guys in their own testosterone and like a month later they sound like you like me like you and I'm like okay shit um but they also have it a lot harder with surgeries because it's harder to make a hole than build a pole Hi Is it?

[494] Yeah I mean If you're making a How do you build a pole Exactly You can probably If I told you to go Dig a hole You can figure it all But make a pole If there's nothing I don't know I think you said it the wrong way I think you said it's harder To make a hole Than to build a pole Oh my bad Easier to make a hole Right Is that what she said We don't have to rewind it That's the conversation But it's clear No yeah It's easier to It's easier to snip snip Make a hole Yeah I've seen, unfortunately, because I'm one of those dudes that are like, let's Google it.

[495] You've seen the surgery?

[496] I've seen the surgery on both sides.

[497] I've seen where they grow a penis on an arm.

[498] They grew a penis on this guy's arm.

[499] It's like inflatable.

[500] Well, it's, yeah.

[501] And then it's probably numb, you know?

[502] Like my knee, I had an operation on my knee in like 94 or some shit.

[503] And it's still numb.

[504] Like the outside of my knee is still numb.

[505] I had an ACL reconstruction, so of this big scar up my knee.

[506] And if you touch that area, it's numb.

[507] Okay.

[508] So it's like.

[509] That's probably what it's like.

[510] Yeah, I would imagine if you have, I mean, maybe you get some of your feeling back, but if you're growing a new dick on your arm and then they put it on there, how much of it do you feel?

[511] And does it feel like an arm?

[512] You know, like if someone's like stroke in my arm, and I have to pretend, like, oh, yeah, yeah.

[513] Like, can you really?

[514] Oh, baby, keep, keep touching.

[515] At that point, I'd say just get a strap on and call it a fucking day.

[516] I don't know.

[517] But yeah, surgeries are easier for trans women because it's like, even in the sense of like top surgery, it's like adding breasts is like a little bit less traumatic than removing them.

[518] Right.

[519] Yeah, because you could always go back.

[520] Like a lot of girls get them removed.

[521] But that's what's so scary about these kids.

[522] It's like, I don't know if you've ever kind of gone down the teen due transition or rabbit hole.

[523] I have.

[524] Okay.

[525] It's like young kids.

[526] And I've interviewed a couple on my channel.

[527] One of them's name was L. Palmer, I believe, that's the last name.

[528] And her voice is permanently very, very deep.

[529] Yeah.

[530] I believe she's, like, had to have, like, laser hair removal because she started going facial hair she can't get rid of, removed her breasts.

[531] That's, uh, Abigail Sreyer's subject that she's been, um, she's been attacked, like, relentlessly for that book.

[532] Yeah.

[533] And that is like the, like, when I get called out for having.

[534] transphobic content, they point to that only, to Abigail Schreier's work.

[535] Well, we're giving them something else now.

[536] I don't know how the fuck they're going to say it's anti -trans what having you on.

[537] You are.

[538] Because to me, there's a very big difference between individual trans people and trans ideology.

[539] And when you're trans, it's like you can either follow the trans ideology, which is ever moving, ever growing, new rules every other week, or you like don't.

[540] What's the newsletter say for this week?

[541] I don't fucking know.

[542] That's the thing.

[543] I hear words all the time.

[544] I just did a video with Michael Malice on my channel where we reacted to, like, crazy TikToks.

[545] And it was all this trans shit in terms.

[546] And I'm like, how do I not know this and I'm a fucking tranny?

[547] How am I not relating to this in any sense of the, like what?

[548] So it's hard to keep up with.

[549] But that's also why I have a lot of empathy for people who don't understand trans people, don't get it.

[550] Because everyone has a gay friend.

[551] Most people don't have a trans friend.

[552] The TikToks, the libs of TikTok channel, have you ever.

[553] the Twitter.

[554] It's where I got all my TikTok they reacted to you.

[555] It's incredible.

[556] Libs of TikTok on Twitter is the best follow.

[557] Well, Tim Dillon's the best follow.

[558] Libs of TikTok is number two.

[559] But lives of TikTok is so fucking crazy.

[560] Like, it's almost like China is fucking with us because...

[561] The algorithm.

[562] It's not just the algorithm.

[563] It's like they created TikTok.

[564] And TikTok is, you know, when you've talked to software engineers that have back engineered the TikTok platform and gone over like all this different stuff that it does to violate privacy.

[565] They said, we've never seen an app like this before.

[566] It's like the most violating app ever.

[567] Oh, yeah, it's intense.

[568] I've literally, this one time I met this girl at a gym and we became friends and we were just talking, but we didn't, we didn't like give each other like our numbers or like contact info or anything, right?

[569] Like there was no digital attachment.

[570] We didn't follow each other, nothing.

[571] And then an hour later, I'm on my phone on TikTok.

[572] I'm banned now, but when I had TikTok, and I'm scrolling through and she pops up on my TikTok, a woman I just met in person.

[573] person and it's not like she was like an influencer had a following to her maybe statistically I would run into this person.

[574] It's like she had like 12 followers and I was like that's scary.

[575] Yeah, it's I bet it's probably just your phone being next to her phone like the phones are talking to each other.

[576] Yeah.

[577] Like what?

[578] It's like I don't like that.

[579] I mean granted I followed her.

[580] I was like oh cool she has a TikTok.

[581] How did you get banned from TikTok?

[582] I posted that I didn't think it was trans pelvic for people to not date trans people if they don't have that preference.

[583] That's it?

[584] Whoa They banned you for that?

[585] That was the Yeah infraction TikTok doesn't give a fuck Yeah because there was this Like funny meme that was going around called like super straight And there was like high school kids being like I'm super straight Like I don't date trans women But it's funny because the way they did it was like Yeah I'm not just straight I'm super straight But the way they did it was like Okay we'll say trans women or women But I'm super straight So I go further than that I don't actually date them Oh my God super straight rate is hilarious.

[586] But everyone was super upset about it and to me I find it insulting on so many levels to like insist people have to date someone of a certain type or be involved sexually.

[587] So I'm like, why are y 'all attacking people for saying this?

[588] It's a meme.

[589] What did you say though that they banned you for?

[590] Did you say anything?

[591] I said I wouldn't want to date anyone who didn't want to date trans women anyways.

[592] I'm not offended by it and people have a right to their preferences.

[593] Everyone has a right to their preferences and I got banned for that.

[594] Wow.

[595] I wonder what they're do you think that they're just they're social engineering yeah they're social engineering right but it's china is involved yes so it's almost like they're trying to push us towards the most ridiculous preposterous cartoonish caricatureish caricatureish version of what like a social justice warrior would be yeah and it just keeps going it doesn't like further and further left yeah do you remember like i don't know i remember being maybe like in 2015 watching like your podcast with like just people from that time talking about the SJWs are starting to rise up and like those guests and it's like that was like nothing I know well people that thought I was overreacting they were like I was talking to people like Jordan Peterson and a lot of the people was like this is not going to stop here you have to understand these people are going to go from universities and the corporations and then the corporate interests are going to be represented by these people and it's going to spread this ideology it's already happened in America people like that's bullshit this is a very fringe thing that's only happening in small groups in universities but now now it's undisputable right you can't work for any major corporation without going through basically social justice training it's just part of being hired places and if you want to work for a tech company good luck being conservative you can't you literally can't yeah it's crazy but that's what's so scary as well when you think of big tech it's like so much of what we say is so controlled and there's so much that I would love to just be able to open my phone rant about on social media and not be like how stupid it got banned for saying that like i don't think it's translobuk to not date trans women but you could say that on instagram yeah that's the thing there's different roles for different things like on twitter i posted um something along to the effects of car written house did nothing wrong that was like a tweet i posted but then people who shared that tweet on instagram got banned i knew i shouldn't share that on instagram that's like twitter only type of thing but then i had friends who reposted my tweet on their walls and they got banned I'm like, that's scary.

[596] Yeah, Twitter is a little more free, but less free now, I think, with Jack Dorsey gone.

[597] Yeah.

[598] I think with Jack Dorsey, I think, was the last wall, the last firewall for free speech over there.

[599] They just banned the Galane.

[600] How do you say it?

[601] I know.

[602] Galen, Maxwell, the trial tracker.

[603] You say Galane?

[604] Is that how I say it?

[605] I think it's Galane, yeah.

[606] Do you know how to say it, Jamie?

[607] Galane.

[608] You think so?

[609] I've never heard her say it, but I think that's how you say it.

[610] I like to say Jislane, because it's funny.

[611] That's better.

[612] Let's go with that.

[613] Jisleine Maxwell.

[614] Gislein.

[615] Her, the tracker.

[616] The tracker.

[617] Got Eated.

[618] Yeah, but it got yeated for what?

[619] Did you see what it got yeated for, the last post?

[620] No. They showed that a bunch of evidence that was introduced already had FBI tags on it, which means the FBI had access to all of these CDs, all of these hard drives, all these things, had reviewed them, and then had allowed them to be brought back in for.

[621] evidence supposedly see if you can find it because it's it's posted up a lot of people have reposted it under threat this uh like stricent effect it because there's people are just gonna add nauseam just well you're smarter than the feds congratulations in a way but also that account had a huge following very quickly i think i had like 400k followers very quickly yeah yeah and they just banned it and that's what's like okay so there's all this media attention for the written house thing you can't turn on the tv without seeing it which it was a big deal and it you know I think a lot of American issues were kind of going head to head over that trial but like the Jelaine Maxwell thing I feel like is so much more to the public interest or it should be because it's like you have Hollywood and the elites and people connected to politics preying on young girls and the fact that that's not of a higher priority in people's attention span is really sad I think there's a lot of like black celebrities and black people that I follow that still have, uh, like, a take on Kyle Rittenhouse because he went to a black lives matter protest.

[622] Yeah.

[623] Like, even though, like, I have black friends that thought he shot black guys until like the trial started.

[624] That was a lot of my progressive friends.

[625] Yeah.

[626] They thought it was because nobody knew.

[627] They knew he shot three people, but they didn't know.

[628] And then they realized, like, oh, oh, he thought a bunch of, he shot rather a couple fucking crazy people.

[629] A white pedophile.

[630] Yeah, a white, what was he?

[631] Multiple, like multiple offender, like a guy who raped many kids.

[632] Yeah, yeah.

[633] Like, that's when, when I think about that kind of shit, I think, like, there are really just two separate reality is that people live in in this country.

[634] It's like, and to me, it's split up between people who either have faith in the corporate products and people who don't.

[635] Well, I think in this case, it's a little different because I think there was a narrative that got put out and a lot of people didn't read into the story.

[636] They just bought the narrative.

[637] The narrative was, this kid's a white supremacist.

[638] He crossed state lines with an illegal gun, and he goes to a Black Lives Matter protest, looking for trouble, and shoots three people.

[639] That was the narrative.

[640] But the reality was he didn't cross state lines with a gun.

[641] He lived 20 minutes away.

[642] He drove over there.

[643] Someone gave him a gun.

[644] He was working.

[645] He was kind of playing cop, for sure.

[646] But he did administer aid to people, and he did, like, work to clean up graffiti.

[647] And I think these, I think the story is, I'm not 100 % sure on this, but I think the story is that some guys who ran a car dealership asked him to come and help and protect it.

[648] And these guys saw him with the AR and they chased him down.

[649] They hit him with a skateboard, knocked him to the ground.

[650] One guy pulled a gun at him and he shot three guys.

[651] He tried to take his gun.

[652] And I believe that the individuals that owned the car dealership were Indian men.

[653] So it's like he's there to protect these people of color.

[654] literally.

[655] We showed a meme in the Matt Taiibi episode we showed a meme about how crazy it is that he's the worst white supremacist ever and shot three white guys while protecting two brown guys yeah and then you have people to the even post trial like post like letting him go you have people who still think he went and shot to innocent Black Lives Matter protesters because the way in which the media frames it is killed to people at a Black Eyes Matter protest it's like you're purposely leaving out a lot of context here but that's also their MO it's stroking more division more hate more this group versus that group like it's just it's also like the best way to get people to click on things and that's always yeah a thing with the media it's like and part of it I feel it's almost like they're just trying to survive because to try to get people to read your news stories good luck today good luck some stuff though is weird though like some stuff I would agree that it's like oh it's just trying to get clicks like it's just about how many people are reading an article or tuning into something.

[656] And then other things, I think, like, they're lying maliciously.

[657] Like, this is, like, some sort of actual agenda.

[658] Like, when I saw the lies about you and Ivermectin, that was when I was like, well, there's been many examples of made me believe this.

[659] But actually, there are just some heavily malicious liars in media as well, because I can't think of a positive reason why people would demonize a medication that actually helped you, you know?

[660] Well, it was one of the things that helped me. The crazy thing is and it was on a laundry list of stuff that I took.

[661] And that was the one that they pointed out.

[662] But, you know, I've had legitimate doctors that have treated, including Dr. Pierre -Coree, who's treated thousands of people with Ivermectin.

[663] And people, I mean, they're handing it out as part of the protocol in Japan and India, in parts of South America, in Mexico.

[664] Ivermectin is standard care.

[665] And in, but the problem is it's a generic medication.

[666] It's very cheap.

[667] like you can get a dose of Ivermectin for like 30 cents right and then you think like how do these people fucking get away with it it's very frustrating it's like so so why do CNN anchors and MSNBC anchors just get to say it's horace tranquilizer well they or yeah horse dewormer or they used to be able to but I think this time it changed and I think with me the problem was I have more people that watch me than watch them.

[668] Of course.

[669] So when that, but, and I keep talking about it.

[670] I don't shut the fuck up about it.

[671] So it's like every time, I'm not gonna.

[672] Good.

[673] So every time I talk about it, it's worse for them.

[674] Because then people go, what did they do?

[675] And then they'll watch clip.

[676] And they'll go, holy shit.

[677] And then they'll watch the brought to you by Pfizer.

[678] Like, you ever seen the compilation?

[679] Oh, yeah.

[680] Anderson Cooper brought to you by Pfizer.

[681] You see like hundreds of shows brought to you by Pfizer.

[682] It's like we're in a black mirror episode.

[683] Every commercial is about some sort of vaccine.

[684] I was saying the other night, I was just like, high in bed watching like TV and commercials are coming I never really watched TV and I was shocked by the commercials every commercial has something to do with your health something to do I'm like I literally told Joey I'm like I'm sticking hearing about health shit like I don't want to hear about health shit I want to hear about medication like this country is so obsessed with medicine I was watching the UFC the other day these dudes were beat in the fuck out of each other and every commercial was about a pharmaceutical drug like he's do you have any drugs for headaches because these guys have fucking headaches.

[685] They just cranked on each other's necks and kicked each other in the face.

[686] And they're selling medication for how to sleep easier.

[687] It's insane.

[688] And it's also insane knowing that if history went another way and Trump had gotten a second term, I think the vaccine skeptics and hesitant people would be on the other side.

[689] Because right before Trump lost, it was like Kamala Harris talking about how she wouldn't take the vaccine.

[690] It was every CNN anchor talk show host, all these Libs, Biden.

[691] And now, Talked about it.

[692] Now it's trust the science.

[693] Who's going to take it?

[694] If you're giving it, if it does come out, who's going to take it?

[695] It would have been the Trump vaccine.

[696] Yeah.

[697] Now it's just get the vaccineated.

[698] Take the vaccine, man. Yeah.

[699] But that's also.

[700] What is this?

[701] Speaking of him, a couple of the TikTok thing, do you remember that Trump had an order to ban it?

[702] Yep.

[703] And then the Biden administration revoked it in order to change, I guess the framework of what was going to be changed, or like the banning and what they were actually banning about data.

[704] and tracking and all sorts of stuff, but it hasn't happened.

[705] But here, if you look at the top of the article, look back, look what it says there, but the apps still aren't out of hot water.

[706] What does that mean?

[707] What, yeah.

[708] Oh, the apps are in hot water.

[709] Those apps have 100 billion people on, though.

[710] Like, what the fuck are you saying?

[711] So with the, this, the tracker trial thing, or the, there is something apparently here with this, some like Twitter sleuths, if you will.

[712] Did some digging into the account and some old archive tweets.

[713] It was, that account was used for other tweeting purposes.

[714] Oh, so might like be a Russian troll account?

[715] Maybe, but like they were saying that that account wasn't like a person at the trial.

[716] They were just reposting stuff from other like mainstream media sources that they were almost claiming weren't following the trial too, which is a little strange.

[717] See, but see, why do they ban them?

[718] It could be a reason just to pull them off.

[719] But the reason to ban them is because of this.

[720] they had other Twitter accounts also pointing to a substack newsletter and that is including an account established to report only negative news about Alexandria Ocasio -Cortez but why is that banworthy because if you're using bots and stuff to take people off of Twitter's website they don't want that okay and that's that's a reason to do it is that a bot it says they had other accounts I don't know that it's a bot no I don't know that that's accurate that could be a reason to do it but if they're connected to someone that's just only criticizing AOC like that might be a reason alone.

[721] Twitter leans so far left.

[722] I mean, Twitter banned Megan Murphy for saying that men are never women.

[723] Right.

[724] And then it sucks because all the alternatives to like mainstream social media are so cringe.

[725] It's like, I don't want to join fucking parlor.

[726] I don't want to join gab and talk to Nazis.

[727] What are you going to do?

[728] Yeah, it's like I wish it could just be truly politically neutral.

[729] Like we did not appreciate MySpace for what it was.

[730] That shit was was politically neutral.

[731] Tom had our back.

[732] Yes, that shit was fun.

[733] It was great.

[734] You could post bulletins.

[735] And now it's like you say one wrong thing and it's like your band forever.

[736] And it's only on one side too, which is really frustrating.

[737] Yeah.

[738] There's no, I mean, what's the best alternative platform?

[739] Is it Gab?

[740] Like I say Gab, you talk to Nazis, but I don't really know.

[741] I haven't really been there.

[742] That's just the narrative.

[743] Well, it is, it is explicitly very right wing.

[744] Let's go to Gab right now.

[745] Go to Gab.

[746] Yeah.

[747] Go to Gab and let's see like what's on the front page.

[748] Because there's...

[749] It's gonna be like just myeliannoblige or shit.

[750] Do you have to fall...

[751] Is he on there?

[752] I don't know.

[753] That fucking dude, you want to talk about like the power of deep platforming?

[754] I've never been to it.

[755] He's been like un -personed.

[756] It's interesting what it pops up at the start.

[757] Candice Owen right away, you vaccine cultists swore up and down, your vaccine would keep you safe from the virus.

[758] It's a repost from a account called Morpheus Maga.

[759] Okay, but this is a repost from her Twitter account.

[760] Right.

[761] Okay, what else are?

[762] Amacrom Beats Worldwide.

[763] death's worldwide skyrocketed from zero to zero um so there's a lot of this is like reposting people on twitter a lot of it is COVID stuff yeah which is hilarious see yeah exactly and it's it's very clearly like a right wing popper so my question though quick just as a person i've never been to gab this is a feed that they're curating or it says popular posts but like yeah it says hot posts so who's most of those like it's curated by somebody Okay.

[764] Morpheus Maga.

[765] Here's the question.

[766] Not this particular one, but how many of these people are Russians?

[767] How many of them are Russians pretending to be Americans trying to stir up shit?

[768] Did you see that they found out that 19 of the top 20 Facebook pages that were Christian pages were run by Russians?

[769] I saw that and I've also seen a lot of reports that like they will go into groups on Facebook purely to serve them disinformation.

[770] They'll find little pockets and communities and specifically join them be one of them and then try.

[771] to like radicalize them and yeah just start talking shit yeah try to take them further and further right the way TikTok tries to take people further and further left be kind of a fun job honestly listen they're hilarious unmask forced to mask fly in a mask you can breathe in what is that like a bullshit mask yeah it's like a fake mask and across they use a hot a hot girl a hot republican ruthless girl right see So clearly Gab has a bias And even their Twitter account Where like it's like the owners of Gab Like it's all right wing tweets Just from them personally But like I don't want to join a platform Where everyone thinks the same And say what you all about Twitter They ban a lot of people who think differently But yeah look at this one QAnon 76 Why they have so many stars That's on their account name But that I believe that They have five stars They're all verified All these accounts are verified Oh verified I want to get verified I think They have a let's go Brandon boat Look at that boat And tell me it doesn't smell like farts you know that boat smells like farts you know those people are eating bad food you keep going keep scrolling come on man if you made a gab you would trend on twitter and people would be dragging you probably if you had a oh sure they would come for me but it's like what what else can they come for me for they've it's already been so much do you see vice news came at us for the rvee stream the rvoole thing they called me far right in that article which is so fucking ridiculous Vice is so weird You know, there's a great meme for Vice I'll send it to Jamie What Vice used to be Was these people that would go to these fucking crazy war -torn countries And give you like a real They had great human interest pieces Yeah well they told yeah They had great human interest pieces This one piece that I talk about all the time Was Himo's Arctic Adventure About this guy who lives in Like way North Alaska who lives off the land.

[772] He's a fascinating guy.

[773] Top trending story on...

[774] Murdered by 5G free.

[775] See what I mean?

[776] Like, I'm not...

[777] Come on, man. Is that real?

[778] I mean, is that really a Russian or is that like a real person?

[779] See?

[780] All right, Jamie, I'm sending you this meme.

[781] This meme is the perfect example of vice.

[782] Look at this.

[783] Watch this meme.

[784] I love memes.

[785] I think that memes are like one of the most interesting things to come out of the internet because it's a totally new form of humor.

[786] It did not exist before.

[787] And they're powerful.

[788] Yeah, look at that.

[789] I will go to the most war -torn places on Earth to expose dirty politics then and now 10 reasons why SpongeBob is homophobic.

[790] Right.

[791] I mean, spot on, really.

[792] That's spot on.

[793] Spot on.

[794] It's really a bunch of fucking freaks at work there.

[795] It is, but it's also, there's a market, right?

[796] Like if you're working for TMZ, you're trying to catch a celebrity, drunk, cheating on their wife, walking out of a club holding hands with the wrong person that's what the TMZ wants right they want to get dirt on celebrities they want to catch you at the airport talking shit right hey Blair what do you think about this like I think fuck him and they're like oh Blair says fuck him and then blah front head to headlines but that's their business like you can't mad that's their business I have a lot of friends that are comics that were like struggling comics that used to work for TMZ and I would see him at the airport all the time and I'd be like brought out today I've had zero sleep I'll say something stupid and we laugh but that's what they do that's their thing this is what vice's thing is now their thing is like politically left hard left leaning and then exaggerate the perspectives of anybody that's in the news that might have anything questionable because that's how you get people to click on things like calling you far right or calling me right at all at all yeah and if if i'm far right then what's where the fuck is the line what they say about me now is i have increasing ties to the far right.

[797] So because they can't stay on right way because I'm not.

[798] So they say increasing ties to the far right.

[799] Yeah, that's what they did.

[800] What does that even mean?

[801] I don't know.

[802] I mean, I mean, granted, we had Alex Jones in the RV, right?

[803] Yeah.

[804] But the thing about Alex Jones is like, I see him as sort of like the internet's collective crazy uncle.

[805] It's like he's the guy, he's the uncle who like, he's going to be rambling, it's going to be saying crazy shit and you're going to be tuning him out half the time.

[806] Then every once in a while he just drops a nugget and you're like oh yeah that's totally right but chill i wish that whole sandy hook thing had never happened i know because if that if he had never had that crazy perspective he would have a different take on him because now that's all they bring up um and what he said was very unfortunate he he hates that he did it but alice was going through an episode he was having i've known alice for 23 years he's a great guy i was out with him the other night He's a lot of fun.

[807] He came to the comedy show at Vulcan.

[808] We got married.

[809] I know you got married.

[810] He is a sweet guy.

[811] Like, people get the wrong impression of him.

[812] But it's because of that whole thing.

[813] But he had gone through an episode where he was drinking, like, multiple bottles of alcohol a day.

[814] And he was having these psychotic breaks.

[815] He legitimately was.

[816] He'll talk about it.

[817] That was during the Sandy Hook time.

[818] Yeah.

[819] And I think a lot of it, like, he was going, I mean, this is not an excuse, but this is just the reality.

[820] He pays so much attention to these conspiracies.

[821] And for the longest time, people were saying that he's just crazy.

[822] But one of the things that's come up over this pandemic and leading up to the current state that we're at now is that people are realizing that a lot of the things he called are happening.

[823] He said they were going to institute some sort of a vaccine passport.

[824] You wouldn't be a lot of travel.

[825] people like that's crazy they were going to move us towards some sort of social credit system they're absolutely trying to that's exactly what's happening yeah he was talking about human monkey chimeras there's another meme because i'll fucking love meme he's like about the water turning the frogs gay and like it was well it was actually making them her marriage change genders yeah yes and there's a there's an there's an alex jones was right tip jar meme that i love yeah i love that's filled up but then there's also like all the different things that he's like it's like you are here now because because it'll show like all the things that he said that he predicted that people were like, this is bullshit that have turned.

[826] Here it is.

[827] I'll send us to you, Jimmy.

[828] And it really just begs the question.

[829] Like, are people, you either believe people are the sum total of their mistakes or they're not.

[830] So, like, I think that the Sannie Hook thing with Alex Jones was egregious.

[831] I don't agree with it.

[832] I think that it was a huge mistake on its part.

[833] He thinks it was a huge mistake.

[834] But I don't think that the rest of his life has to be tied to that.

[835] Exactly.

[836] Look at this.

[837] This is the, you are here.

[838] your TV spying on you check elite cabal of sex traffickers that Galane Maxwell Jislaine whatever it's going on right now the trial they're turning to frogs gay gay check Bohemian Grove check silver iodide check rich people using baby blood check check and right there you are here human monkey chimeras right and then next is interdimensional elves and you and I have both experienced elves yeah I experienced that the other day but yeah the thing about Alex Jones is like I think that people do have a really wrong image of him I think he's a really nice guy in fact when I first started on YouTube and on the internet like one of the first people that ever reached out was him like he had this like really long message like novel like message about how much I was inspiring him as a person how much he loved me and what I was doing I was like no really yeah I'm telling you people just it's okay it's just water people just have the wrong it's okay Jim oh there's cord oh shit probably it'd be all right they're just It's just, it's sound, not power.

[839] People have, they have an impression based on one absolute mistake.

[840] The worst of what he's done, yeah.

[841] And it is a mistake, you know.

[842] And but I believe, and I think this is something that we should all subscribe to, I believe in forgiveness.

[843] We have to have that as a. He didn't fucking kill someone, do you?

[844] Yeah, and as human beings, there has to be, there has to be room for error.

[845] And there has to be a point where you can, because otherwise, we're just, you're just, going to try to destroy everyone because everyone has something that you could point to especially if you exaggerated it or distorted it or someone gave an account of an event that was inaccurate and then people like like they did with Kyle Rittenhouse like they point to this one inaccurate version of the event and demonize him for that and then you never forgive him ever and this is who he is for the rest of his life that's crazy it's and he's like 18 and so the rest of his life he will be seen as a white supremacist unless there's a huge cultural shift and we stopped giving a fuck about buzzwords like that he'll be seen as that forever because joe biden called him that well joe biden's going to get sued i hope so oh he's going to get sued i hope so i think that kid is lawyered up and i think they're going to slowly figure out what to do yeah and there's a lot of people that are fucked including the ladies on the view they're fucked you know they said heinous shit about that that is a heinous marketplace that's what they're dealing that that view is all they're doing is like selling hate i would love you i would I would have so much fun.

[846] They would just talk over you, though.

[847] That's what they did.

[848] This lady the other day, this lady who, I don't know what was wrong with her, that she couldn't take the vaccine, but they were like barking at her.

[849] Jet adiabula.

[850] Yeah, they wouldn't even let her talk.

[851] She was trying to explain that her doctor told her not to take the vaccine because she has some sort of predisposed condition.

[852] I don't know what it was, and she didn't want to divulge it.

[853] It could be just like Aaron Rogers.

[854] Aaron Rogers has an allergy to, what is it again, is propylene, glycol, some shit?

[855] He's one of the main ingredients in the lipid nanoparticles or the whatever it is in the vaccine is, it's an ingredient that he's literally allergic to.

[856] So he would go into shock, like he would go into an, what's it called, what's it called, afflactic?

[857] What is that?

[858] Anaphylactic shock.

[859] When you have an allergic reaction.

[860] That's the thing.

[861] It's like one size fits all doesn't work.

[862] in life anywhere, so why would it work with the vaccine?

[863] I just don't understand that.

[864] Like, for me, we were talking about this earlier, for me, once I started hearing about heart issues, I was like, well, let me just pause.

[865] It doesn't mean I won't maybe in the future make a different decision, but as I mean now, I'm like, I'm just going to chill on that.

[866] Yeah.

[867] You know what I mean?

[868] Well, you're 28.

[869] You're in very good health.

[870] You exercise all the time.

[871] You're at a low risk category anyway.

[872] Right.

[873] And I'm on estrogen, which increases my risk of blood clot.

[874] Why do I want to double up with a vaccine?

[875] Estrogen increases your risk of blood clots, really?

[876] Yeah, that's why whenever I have friends that are male to female trans, and I see I'm smoking a cigarette, I'm like, fucking stop, you're going to die.

[877] Oh, really?

[878] Yeah, it's...

[879] Because that's one thing with girls on birth control.

[880] Yeah, it's very similar than medications.

[881] Mm -hmm.

[882] Oh, that's right, because, like, birth control is estrogen, right?

[883] Yeah, it makes you hella emotional, gain weight easy, and blood clots.

[884] And blood clots.

[885] But you can shoot loads inside of people, and nothing happens.

[886] Wait, what do you mean?

[887] For girls.

[888] Oh, okay.

[889] Birth control pills.

[890] Yeah, yeah, I'll go to say, okay.

[891] That's a, it's crazy that there's only one option other than condoms and IUDs and IUDs is kind of, I don't know if they work 100 % of time.

[892] Do they?

[893] I don't know.

[894] But also birth control, there are a lot of negative aspects for young girls that are on it.

[895] Yeah.

[896] And so the idea that like your daughter turns 13 and you're putting on birth control, it's like, well, maybe.

[897] Yeah.

[898] Maybe it's chill on that.

[899] Well, you know, it's like people don't want unwanted pregnancies, which totally makes sense.

[900] And the thing about human nature is when people get horny and they're together and they're alone.

[901] And especially when they're young, they're going to do stupid shit.

[902] Yeah.

[903] You know, it's just part of being a human being.

[904] I also couldn't imagine raising, like, teenage girls or dealing with that at all.

[905] So I have no perspective on, like, how to keep them from getting pregnant.

[906] It's not that bad.

[907] I mean, I've done it.

[908] I'm in the middle of it right now.

[909] It's not the worst.

[910] Don't you have only daughters?

[911] Yeah.

[912] Yeah, they're all girls.

[913] I think it's so funny.

[914] Sometimes I make jokes about stuff, though, and they go, that's not funny, yeah.

[915] I think it's funny that you ended up just being a girl dad because it's like you're like you in terms of like your public image is like very masculine and very it's like and then you just have a bunch of girls it's really funny I think the universe is teaching me something probably balances you out a lot yeah it definitely does it balances me out it gives it gives me a much better perspective on how women think not just to you know be married and be married to a woman but to see little women grow up and become you know adults you just if you're a man especially like if you do men oriented shit like i did my whole life like my whole life was i did you know fighting which is very male oriented then stand -up comedy just pretty male oriented i mean i've made friends with a lot of female comedians and i know them but a lot of them are pretty they're pretty hardcore like they're the shit that they say sometimes is more fucked up than the things that a lot of the guys say I have some fucking group texts that I get into with my female comedian friends and they say shit that I was like Jesus Christ Yeah they're funny I was saying that on the way up here I was like I was like I know Buck Angel's been on here so I'm not the only trans person ever here but I'm probably the least masculine person ever be on this podcast because even a lot of the women that come on it's like Danica Patrick it's like you know just cool shit It's like a NASCAR driver Yeah yeah You gotta be fucking badass to go 250 miles an hour or whatever they do.

[916] Right.

[917] You gotta be a crazy person.

[918] Right.

[919] I couldn't imagine.

[920] She's a crazy person, but in a good way.

[921] You know, she's intense.

[922] Yeah.

[923] But I don't know if you're the most feminine.

[924] I've had some pretty feminine people, but you're up there.

[925] I was just looking through the list of all your reason episodes.

[926] It's all just like fighters and fucking Michael Malice, who I love.

[927] I love Michael Malice.

[928] I do too.

[929] He's become a very, very dear friend very quickly.

[930] He's a great guy.

[931] He's a funny dude, too.

[932] Very smart.

[933] and when he trolls people on Instagram like, oh my God, like after the Alex Baldwin accident, I was like, oh my God, I can't even read these things.

[934] I know.

[935] Every time I opened my phone was a new tweet about like Alec Baldwin killing people.

[936] We moved here on the same day, so we kind of like figured out Austin together and like, I think on paper people would be like, how are they friends?

[937] But like, we've gotten really close, really quick.

[938] I don't know how, but...

[939] I think that on paper shit is nonsense.

[940] Yeah, that's true.

[941] If it's on paper, it's not real life.

[942] You have to like...

[943] You have to be open to different people.

[944] It's educational.

[945] It's good for you.

[946] It's good for you to have different friends with different perspectives.

[947] Like, I've got some hardcore lefty friends and then I've got some hardcore right -wing friends.

[948] Yeah.

[949] And I love them all.

[950] I don't agree with them all.

[951] I don't agree with them on a lot of things.

[952] On both sides, I don't agree with them on a lot of things.

[953] But I think the people that have that mindset that you have to only be around like -minded individuals.

[954] What kind of life is that?

[955] It's terrible for you.

[956] Yeah.

[957] It's very, I often say I don't like have a tribe.

[958] I think online a lot of people, like, first of all, people call me a conservative commentator.

[959] I'm like, am I really?

[960] Like, no. How did you get labeled?

[961] Who's the first person to label you, a conservative commentator?

[962] I actually think it might have been Alex Jones.

[963] I think because that was the first show I ever did was his show, years ago.

[964] And I think like the title of it was like trans conservative commentator.

[965] And I was like, fuck.

[966] Oh, no, Alex, he's son of a bitch.

[967] I know.

[968] I'm like, I get how that benefits you.

[969] But now I'm like, I'm like, I get how that benefits you.

[970] But now I'm like, I'm like, like then my Wikipedia page how that I'm like fuck but like if anything I'm more so center right but like you said it's like if you don't have friends from all over the spectrum in every area of life what kind of life are you really living when I first met Alex he was getting arrested for protesting George W. Bush when George W. Bush was running for president he was talking about all the ties that George W. Bush had to like elitist and globalists and that they wanted to start wars and do all these things like he was a guy that was attacking just people that were in positions of power that were corrupt or that were doing illegal things like on the campaign trail i think it was that was like one of the first times ever saw him get arrested he's more so in my mind if you just like erase all the labels you put on people like an alex jones or even you or me it's like if you just take away all those labels and what society is describing them as to me he just seems more like an anti -status than anything to me he's just more so that i mean i know he's definitely more right but he just seems to rail against the state more than anything yeah and he's fucking hilarious the dude is hilarious like he's one of the funniest guy like when he goes on andrew sholts's show like Jesus Christ he's funny he's funny as fuck after the last stream we did with a minute I just kept having these recurring like PTSD like visions of hearing child rape I've got the documents blah blah like just over and over it's so funny well he used to always tell me about this Epstein shit he told me about it more than a decade ago.

[971] And I was like, wait a minute, what?

[972] And he was like, there's a fucking island.

[973] They take them to this island.

[974] They compromise them.

[975] They have hidden cameras.

[976] They get them all liggered up.

[977] And then they bring them around.

[978] These are beautiful women.

[979] They don't know.

[980] They probably don't even know that these girls are underage.

[981] And next thing you know, they got video of them fucking these underage girls.

[982] And that's how they get policies passed and this and that.

[983] And they have all this dirt on people.

[984] And then they bring in other people to the fold.

[985] And they have, they'll tell, they'll reach out.

[986] They'll try to bring other people in.

[987] Like, really?

[988] Flash forward.

[989] Yeah.

[990] I was at the time, he was saying And I was like, this is crazy.

[991] It was one of them crazy things that he says.

[992] But then I remember Bohemian Grove.

[993] Because he was always talking about Bohemian Grove.

[994] Like, there's a place they go.

[995] They worship Moloch, the owl god.

[996] They have these guys.

[997] They dress a rose.

[998] That's the impression.

[999] I can't.

[1000] Yeah.

[1001] When he was saying that, I was like, what?

[1002] There's a fucking, they worship an owl god.

[1003] But that's why it sucks so much that he went so hard in the paint with Sandy Hook.

[1004] What's the name of that pizza place that he was saying?

[1005] Did he go with Pizza Gate?

[1006] Yeah.

[1007] He went in with Pizza Gate too?

[1008] Yeah, he did.

[1009] I'm telling you, though, this, like, his perspective is so skewed because a lot of times, first of all, the guy feels like very alone, right?

[1010] He feels like people shun him, and, you know, he's alone with all this information, and he's constantly drinking at the time, at least.

[1011] And he feels like he has these moments where he can't tell what's real and what's fake.

[1012] Because there's so much that is real.

[1013] When you find out all this shit about, like, Fuck Island with, with Matt.

[1014] Maxwell and Epstein is real.

[1015] When you find out that the government really did do a thing called Operation Northwoods where they're planning on blowing up a drone jetliner and blaming on the Cubans and arming Cuban friendlies and having them attack Guantanamo Bay and kill American soldiers and they were going to blame this on Cuba so we could go to war with Cuba.

[1016] He was telling me about that years ago too.

[1017] I was like, what the fuck are you talking about?

[1018] But then you read about it and the Freedom of Information Act and you're like, oh my God, this is all true.

[1019] this is all truly he's all he does is do that all day his whole day and that's the problem when you lean really heavily into the conspiracy side of things you start to lose sight of what could be real and what could be fake and that's what's so sad is like he is disregarded because of those things he got wrong but you can't you can't be a public person and talk for a living especially about these types of issues for as long as he has and not had some fucking things you were wrong about I've had things I've been wrong about.

[1020] Yeah, his were big.

[1021] The thing is about, it's like little kids getting shot is the worst thing you can be wrong about.

[1022] Yeah, it's the worst.

[1023] That's the problem.

[1024] It's just, I mean, it's being wrong about a thing.

[1025] It's not doing a thing that's wrong.

[1026] It's being wrong about a thing, but it's still.

[1027] Yeah, but I still say he didn't fucking kill anyone.

[1028] He didn't fucking rape anyone.

[1029] He has a right to move on from these things eventually.

[1030] You know what I mean?

[1031] Yeah, I agree with that.

[1032] That's what I think.

[1033] But I think what he needs, honestly, like I tell him this all the time like he says so much wacky shit but a lot of it's true what he needs is like a hardcore journalist as like if I was running a network and I had a show I would have Alex Jones with like some hardcore like objective journalist and they would go over things and Alex would talk about stuff and this guy would pull up the data and the information go hold on a second Alex let's look at this It's a good show idea.

[1034] He would try, yeah, like someone who balances him out because he'll go off the rails.

[1035] He gets deeper and deeper.

[1036] They're trying to depopulation.

[1037] They're trying to ruin our lives.

[1038] Child rape.

[1039] They're trying to bring us into camps.

[1040] Yeah.

[1041] And you go, they're not going to bring anybody in the camps.

[1042] Alex, it's 20, 21.

[1043] And then you watch Australia.

[1044] And then there's, like, camps in Australia where people are going because of COVID.

[1045] It's like you lose your fucking mind sometimes when you realize that he is right about some of these things.

[1046] But then the Australians are, like, defending it.

[1047] You don't understand our country.

[1048] Oh, yeah.

[1049] And they'll post propaganda pictures.

[1050] Yeah.

[1051] They posted propaganda pictures.

[1052] of like these like hot models like chill in sun tanning all this shit and it's like they're doing tic -toks in the camp yeah yeah it's like just some hot bitch in a bikini doing a tic -tok it's like oh okay so but that's what is the difference between here in australia is i think we have guns that is a big difference and i think that that severely mitigates the amount of tyranny we can face although if you would have asked me two years ago if we'd be where we are here i would have said No, no fucking way, this is America.

[1053] So many factors just all came together in one moment in history, right?

[1054] So much fear and then isolation and then anxiety and then this new crazy perspective that these pharmaceutical drug companies are looking out for you, which is like they've never been looking out for you.

[1055] But that's what's crazy is that, so this blind faith in Big Pharma, from what I can see, seems to be coming from the left in recent years.

[1056] But traditionally, they were very disqualification.

[1057] trustful of big pharma it's just because that you know that trump guy got out of office if trump was still in office like you said they would all be anti pharmaceuticals it would be anti it would be really interesting to see like what where this country would be in terms of therapeutics and what our perspective would be about vaccine injuries if trump was still president because if like there was a verres report which is the vaccine adverse event reporting system if that report reporting system was active the way it is now with the same numbers it has now but Trump was president it would be really interesting to see how they blamed him and what they would say about this and what they would say about the fact of these pharmaceutical companies are they're immune to legal threats like they're immune to responsibility because of the emergency use authorization I saw a headline today that was like Pfizer CEO says another shot will be needed and I'm like who the fuck are like elected the Pfizer CEO to tell me what I have to put in my body to be a part of society.

[1058] Did we vote on this?

[1059] No. You can definitely listen to them.

[1060] They have no vested interest in you taking another shot.

[1061] It's not like they make any more money off of it.

[1062] It's fine.

[1063] Don't sweat.

[1064] And all this, this Omicron, even though it's killed zero people ever, it might kill somebody someday, and we have to act now.

[1065] Right.

[1066] And it's the unvaccinating people's fault that the Omicron is here.

[1067] And it's a virus of the unvaccinated, apparently.

[1068] Yeah.

[1069] Even though the first cases were shown vaccinated people.

[1070] In California?

[1071] No, it was in Africa.

[1072] It came to California.

[1073] Yeah.

[1074] And it was a vaccinated person in California too.

[1075] Not a vaccinated person, a boosted person.

[1076] Yeah, vaccinated and boosted.

[1077] That's the guy.

[1078] I think it was in New York.

[1079] But the thing is, it's like, they're blaming it on South Africa, but the people that showed up positive, all of them were from other countries.

[1080] And they traveled South Africa and then showed symptoms of it.

[1081] They could have easily brought it with them.

[1082] And this is what the South African people are saying.

[1083] They're like, we don't have a problem with this virus.

[1084] Like, people brought it here.

[1085] And now you're saying that you're going to ban travel from South Africa.

[1086] And that's what they've done.

[1087] That's the Biden administration has done.

[1088] Like, one of Bridget Fetesey's friends is stuck over in South Africa.

[1089] Oh, really?

[1090] Yeah, they went over there on a vacation.

[1091] Like, oh, fuck.

[1092] Right, but travel bans are racist if it's a Republican president of the does.

[1093] Yes.

[1094] And for some reason, you're allowed to call it the South Africa strain.

[1095] Right.

[1096] How come?

[1097] Right.

[1098] Because it's different rules.

[1099] You can't call it the China virus, but you can call it the South African strain.

[1100] Right.

[1101] So here's my question.

[1102] So I'm 28 and you're older than me. 54.

[1103] Okay.

[1104] And have you ever seen anything like this before?

[1105] Nothing like this.

[1106] Where it's papers to go to Applebee's.

[1107] Nothing.

[1108] No. No, it's never happened before.

[1109] It didn't even happen during the Spanish flu.

[1110] Right.

[1111] A lot of fucking people died during the Spanish flu.

[1112] Spanish flu is way worse than this.

[1113] Because we talked to Joey's grandmother, who's 97, and worked for the Cesar.

[1114] CIA her entire life so she probably knows crazy shit her actually her whole family work for this yeah ask her about UFOs okay so I did yeah and she looks at me with the most stoic like and then she just looked away like she pretended like she didn't hear me I'm like okay there's something she knows and she's not the kind of person to like mess with you like she legitimately probably processed like and then just yeah this bitch is not this loudmouth bitch what did she do talk shit on the internet for a living okay I would be here so quick being like I know someone on the CIA.

[1115] Right.

[1116] You got a YouTube channel.

[1117] Yeah.

[1118] And he's ready to press play.

[1119] Right.

[1120] But yeah.

[1121] But she said when I asked her, have you ever seen anything like this before?

[1122] Because she's 97.

[1123] Right.

[1124] She said, hell no. No. This is as bad as it's ever gotten in terms of the lack of the lack of rational thinking.

[1125] The tribalism, the belief in the government that they have your best interest.

[1126] The fact that they lie to you on a constant basis.

[1127] and people are just soaking it up.

[1128] What's interesting is this belief that I think everyone has, that our government has been capable of evil, incorrect things in the past, but they never believe that they're capable of it in the moment.

[1129] So we can admit that all these human rights violations have occurred slavery, like what we did to the Asian, that group, that group.

[1130] So you think that this can't be anything similar to that?

[1131] Well, how about the Tuskegee experiment?

[1132] Tell me about that.

[1133] That is when, and I believe Google this, I believe the Tuskegee experiment was run by the CDC.

[1134] Make sure that's correct.

[1135] So what they did was they had African Americans who had syphilis and they pretended to give them treatment for syphilis, but they didn't.

[1136] They gave them nothing.

[1137] And then they allowed them to go and infect their family, infect their wives, infect their children.

[1138] children that were born through that.

[1139] When was this?

[1140] Yeah, it was done by the CDC.

[1141] 1932, okay, between 1932 and 1972.

[1142] So this is a 40 fucking year experiment.

[1143] This was happening while I was alive.

[1144] I was a small child at the time, but this was happening while I was alive.

[1145] The Tuskegee Experiment or the Tuskegee Syphilis study was an ethically abusive study.

[1146] That's a fucking that's a minor way of putting conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the United States Public Health Service and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the CDC, the one that we're talking about now, the CDC, that's the group, different people, obviously, on a group of nearly 400 African Americans with syphilis.

[1147] The purpose of the study was to observe the effects of the disease when untreated, though by the end of the study, it was entirely treatable.

[1148] So by the end of study, they had penicillin.

[1149] They had a treatment for it.

[1150] The men were not informed of the nature of the experiment and more than 100 died as a result.

[1151] So 100 out of 400 died.

[1152] They could have totally been treated and they would have been fine.

[1153] The public health service started the study in 1932 in collaboration with the Tuskegee University.

[1154] And then the Tuskegee Institute, a historically black college in Alabama.

[1155] In the study, investigators enrolled the total of 600 impoverished African -American sharecroppers from Macon County, Alabama.

[1156] Of these men, 399 had latent syphilis with a control group of 201 men who were not infected.

[1157] As an incentive to for participation in the study, the men were promised free medical care.

[1158] Jesus Christ.

[1159] Wow.

[1160] While the men were provided with both medical and mental care that they otherwise would not have received, they were deceived by the PHS who never informed them of their syphilis diagnosis and provided disguised, placebo's, ineffective methods, and diagnostic procedures as treatment for, in quotes, bad blood.

[1161] The men were initially told the experiment was only going to last six months, but was extended to 40 years.

[1162] After funding for treatment was lost, the study was continued without informing the man that they would never be treated.

[1163] none of the infected men were treated with penicillin despite the fact by 1947 the antibiotic was widely available and it had become the standard treatment for syphilis that is wild that's insane and it really lends to the fact that there is a huge portion of the black community that's vaccine hesitant so for all the talk that there is about how this is a far right thing to somehow be trustful of vaccines it's really just not true and then you think of cities like new york city where there's a vaccine passport and you can't go to restaurants and stuff it's like you're literally segregating black people i think the number is in the high it's in the 70 % yeah range of of african americans in new york city that are unvaccinated yeah and i follow a lot of instagrams that are geared towards black people and you see like the shade room for example and you see all the comments when a vaccine is talked about and all the comments are like from black people being like yeah this is bullshit i'm never taking it never taking it's like mainstream thought in a lot of segments with that community whereas it's treated as if it's some far right white hillbilly thing and it's like actually no well that was when they came after me and they came after me for saying that I got better quick instead of instead of looking at what I did and saying what is he taking like how how this worked the big one that I took I'm pretty sure all of them helped but I think the big one was monoclonal antibodies if somebody asked me do you think that ivermectin was what cured you I'm like I'm sure it helped but I really think that monoclonal antibodies anybody's had the most effect because I've given it to people or had it given to people that I knew that had COVID that didn't get ivermectin and they got better quick really quick like within 24 hours same as what happened with me and I think all those things helped but the fact that they were upset about that and never focused for a second on the fact that I got better so quickly that's what people should be looking at I was better in five days like not just better but testing negative and working out in five days.

[1164] Wow.

[1165] That's something that, and again, I'm not young.

[1166] I'm 54.

[1167] So that's what people should be looking at, but that's not what they looked at.

[1168] And just the fact that it's not allowed to be, like, your autonomy and your own right to make decisions about your body and your health is so removed from the conversation at this point that it's a taboo to even bring it up or talk about it.

[1169] You're not allowed to discuss whether or not this option's right for you, the vaccine's right for you.

[1170] It's not.

[1171] It's just you're treated.

[1172] We have these new categories of people, two new classes of people, the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

[1173] But then you think of like that's the MO of the media is creating categories, putting them against each other.

[1174] And now you have literally have the population, not half, it's less than half that's not vaccinated.

[1175] It's so ironic that if Trump was still in office and we still had the same results, the narrative would be completely different.

[1176] It'd be the Trump vaccine.

[1177] That also goes back to living in two different realities.

[1178] There are a lot of people that think that Biden created the vaccine.

[1179] I've seen that said because people started getting back.

[1180] vaccinated in the Biden administration, so all these fucking idiots are just like, yeah, Biden brought the bat.

[1181] It's like, y 'all are just, you're creating shit.

[1182] He's creating shit in his pants.

[1183] He's probably like two years away from them removing him.

[1184] I would imagine.

[1185] I don't think.

[1186] I don't see him making a full term.

[1187] If he does, it'll be a miracle of science.

[1188] They'll be juicing him up with all kinds of shit.

[1189] Right.

[1190] I don't want anything to happen to him, but I cannot foresee.

[1191] No, I don't want anything to happen.

[1192] Four years from now, him.

[1193] him still.

[1194] I mean, you just see the decline.

[1195] Like, if you watch interviews from even the beginning of, like, the election cycle when he first announcing the candidacy, it's like he just seems more there.

[1196] He's a lot less there now.

[1197] Well, the stress.

[1198] Stress of the job wrecks everybody.

[1199] Obama got a ton of gray hair during his term.

[1200] The only one that didn't affect is Trump.

[1201] It went like fucking water on a duck.

[1202] He just fucking shook it off.

[1203] I don't know how that was.

[1204] I mean, I know he gained a lot of weight.

[1205] He's always fat.

[1206] Yeah, he got fatter.

[1207] Did he get fatter?

[1208] I think he got a little fatter.

[1209] Probably he's celebrating.

[1210] Yeah, honestly.

[1211] I'm the president.

[1212] I'm going to eat fucking McDonald's.

[1213] Honestly.

[1214] There is something about like the Trump era that I kind of miss in a sense, but I don't want him to run again.

[1215] I voted from the first time.

[1216] I voted from both times.

[1217] Did you really?

[1218] Yeah.

[1219] That's why people think you're far right.

[1220] Exactly.

[1221] But like that's, it's like participating in like the election and just choosing the lesser of two evils suddenly puts you on a far end extreme.

[1222] I don't get it.

[1223] I voted for Gary Johnson.

[1224] and then I voted for Joe Jorgensen so I voted libertarian both times So you're also why people say Trump happened Because you voted for third party I voted in a country in a country Or a state rather should be a country A state where it always goes blue Matter what it's almost like you have Your vote barely can't Yeah I voted in California for Trump Didn't fucking matter it was almost just like a There's not a chance in hell That a Republican is going to win in California Unless something wild happens Which is kind of happening Yeah I was shocked that Newsom wasn't recall I mean, I guess part of me wasn't, but I had moved right before the recall election, and so all my friends were, like, all uptight about it, and I'm like, peace.

[1225] I wasn't.

[1226] Because the thing is, like, Larry Elder was the most prominent person on the other side, and he's a radio guy.

[1227] Yeah.

[1228] It's like he's not, like, some beloved character where everybody was like, like when Arnold Schwarzenegger won, when Gray got, was it Gray, was his name?

[1229] Who is the, I don't know.

[1230] I forget who the.

[1231] I was pretty young.

[1232] the guy that Schwarzenegger replaced.

[1233] But when he got recalled, he was the first guy to get recalled, and Schwarzenegger won as a Republican.

[1234] That was crazy.

[1235] That was, I'm sure.

[1236] I was really young, but, yeah, so you didn't have your hat in for Caitlin.

[1237] I thought about having her on the podcast.

[1238] I think you absolutely should.

[1239] I think she's a very misunderstood person.

[1240] So I, she invited me to Jenner a couple years ago, and I went, and she just talked.

[1241] Was it just her and you?

[1242] It was me, her, and her girlfriend.

[1243] It was like a romantic girlfriend, I believe, which is another thing.

[1244] But she's a very nice person.

[1245] She just, I think, has been so famous for so long that it kind of has like warped her reality in a way.

[1246] But that doesn't happen to everyone, though, because I don't get the feeling like you have a warped sense of reality.

[1247] You're very down to earth.

[1248] And she wasn't like cocky or like that.

[1249] It was just like you could tell she saw the entire lens through how people perceived her.

[1250] and her entire world view.

[1251] You have to invest your time in things that are absolute.

[1252] If you live in an ethereal world, this sort of like fucking vapor world of fame, it's a strange world that ebbs and flows with public opinion.

[1253] You can't rest your own self -belief and your own identity on other people's opinions.

[1254] It's too volatile.

[1255] You'll fucking kill yourself.

[1256] It's not, it's not, insane it's not rational i invest an extraordinary amount of time in things that are undeniable like whether it's rigorous exercise or archery or stand -up comedy if you're not funny like they'll give you a minute or two if you're famous they'll give you a minute you'll have like a minute on stage and then like where's the jokes bro where's the jokes like they're drinking and they're out and they want you to suck like if you if you if you're not funny then they want you to suck because then it's fun that's great story I went to see him and he fucking bombed like those that world is a world of absolutes jujitsu is a world of absolute you either get tapped or someone taps you it's real simple you're trying to strangle each other like how does it go down like when someone's trying to survive and they're trying to get you and you're trying to get them that's a world of absolutes the things that I like are things like I like playing pool because either the ball goes in the hole or it doesn't there's no it doesn't like you it doesn't give a fuck like how many TV shows you've been on or how many podcast episodes you've done the balls don't give a fuck they don't know so either knock the ball in the hole or not you either win the game or you lose and those there's a reason why I spend so much time invested in these things that are undeniable and absolute because I think that's the only way to stay sane 100 % is the world goes loopy and then your world is even more loopy because you're famous like that's a fucked up world like you have to have a lot of objective thinking and a lot of introspective thought and then you have to be very self -critical you have to be the kind of person that can be self -critical but not hate themselves I can't even imagine being like truly like so when I met Caitlin at dinner the way I knew she had arrived was millions of flashes outside we were at Craigs and in LA she goes to Craigs going in the front door exactly I go to Craigs too I go in the fucking alleyway exactly she pulled up at the front with her girlfriend dressed to the nines and it was like that was intentional and maybe it was almost to like flex it's 100 % intentional well yeah part of the gig she's a male she's a she was the Kardashian she's a she's not biologically whatever it is she's a part of that clan exactly she's a part of the Kardashian clan that's a fucked up world that is a crazy world but there also was a few tidbits of like our conversation to let me know she wasn't completely out of her mind with fame because she brought up Kylie Jenner to me she's like oh my My daughter Kylie has a makeup company and just said it in a way, like, as if I wouldn't know who her daughter Kylie was and just a small makeup company or whatever.

[1257] It's like, oh, okay, then you don't just assume I know who your whole family is, but she was nice.

[1258] It was just, I couldn't imagine being that famous because even just with the attention I have online, it can be very mentally distressing.

[1259] You can wake up and, like, just have a near panic attack just looking at your phone.

[1260] So I've been trying to work out before I even look at my phone in the morning.

[1261] I don't even look at my phone.

[1262] I take it to another level.

[1263] I don't read any of my shit.

[1264] Oh, really?

[1265] you don't read comments or okay so yeah i i've definitely gone in that route as well i don't really read comments i only read instagram comments because it's going to be nicer but like youtube twitter mentions no yeah youtube and twitter seem to have uh they've cultivated uh an environment of like ruthless criticism and and shit talking which people enjoy like people enjoy being able to talk shit about a guest or talk shit about the way you handle a guest or you know talk shit about you And they should be able to, but I don't think I have, I don't feel as though I have any obligation to sit there and be like, this person thinks I'm ugly.

[1266] This person thinks I'm too.

[1267] This person calls me a man. Like, I don't feel like I have to do that.

[1268] It's not healthy for you.

[1269] Yeah.

[1270] It's not healthy.

[1271] It's not good for your brain.

[1272] It's like you can't, you can't process that many people's opinions.

[1273] And I feel that if you're honest with yourself and you're self -critical, you'll do a good job of trying to improve upon your own faults.

[1274] Like if I do something in a podcast and that I don't like it, it'll fuck with me like in the middle of the night like maybe I have to get up to take a leak in the middle of the night I'm like how do I say it that way I should have said it differently because when you're in the middle of talking like right now right this very second I don't know what the fuck I'm gonna say next I'm just talking right and sometimes it'll go sideways you know and sometimes I'm tired or sometimes I worked out too hard or sometimes I'm too stoned and I'm like what am I even saying while I'm saying yeah yeah and also if you really tweak about it you'll think about the fact that millions of fucking people are listening.

[1275] It's scary.

[1276] And then also, like, I've also adopted this sort of mindset of, like, not believing positive comments or negative comments.

[1277] Because who am I to sit here and really take in someone saying, you're my hero and you mean all this to me?

[1278] It's because, first of all, you don't fucking know me. Even if you love me and are completely nice and accolades and whatever, you don't know me. And also from living in L .A. for the time that I did and just knowing people in the industry or whatever, it's like some of the people who are the most, most loved online are the fucking most monstrous people in real life.

[1279] In fact, this is almost a rule.

[1280] And then people who are severely hated tend to be the nicest most awesome people.

[1281] Look at Alex Jones.

[1282] He's so hated.

[1283] He's like one of the nicest people I've met.

[1284] Yeah.

[1285] Well, but you see the pathway.

[1286] Well, yeah.

[1287] And then you see it with some people where they were loved.

[1288] And then people found out shit about him like Christy Teigen.

[1289] And they just are telling kids to kill themselves.

[1290] That's a level of egregious that I'm like, I'm not about cancel culture, but like maybe timeout culture for this bitch because you can't be fucking messaging and also she got a double whammy because the girl that she told to kill herself came out as non -binary so now she's like bashing a non -binary person too well okay what does that mean I don't fucking know when you come out as non -binary when you come out as like so you don't identify as male or female you're coming out as that like what's going to happen it's like it's like exactly so what I'm going to do from now I'm just going to come out as indecisive I'm going to say that that's not not even the gender thing or a sexual orientation thing just about life i'm coming out as indecisive i'm a fence rider i mean honestly that's probably a little healthier than a lot of other mindsets but yeah i don't know the non -binary thing like so when i came out of transit was like i came out and people knew what to expect next it's gonna be some changes maybe someone physical you come on as non -binary it's like what does i mean yeah okay when love it when did you start your youtube channel 2016 2016 and so you had been out for how long at that point time?

[1291] 2016 was about five years ago so like three years but I hadn't had any surgeries when I started I paid for surgery through YouTube oh shit yeah YouTube funded your transition mm -hmm wow yeah which is not cheap for your channel to become popular um well popular is relative it's like but I started making the way I gauge it is I started making a living off of it about six months in wow yeah That's pretty fucking good.

[1292] Yeah.

[1293] And then all of a sudden, the possibility of transitioning became a lot more real because I was like, oh, I'm having money put in my account every month because of this shit.

[1294] And what do you think started the popularity?

[1295] Like what was it that made people gravitate towards your channel?

[1296] Because, like, there was a lot of options.

[1297] Even back then, there's way more options now.

[1298] But back then, there's quite a few options.

[1299] Like, how did you get people to come to your channel?

[1300] Well, I believe I filled a niche, right?

[1301] So, like, are there really other right -wing perspectives from a trans person online?

[1302] Maybe Caitlin, but that's a whole other thing.

[1303] You know what I mean?

[1304] So, and I think that also, even though I'm a political commentator by title, I don't just stick to that.

[1305] I like to make videos about my life.

[1306] I'll make videos about my childhood.

[1307] Should I endured through life?

[1308] And just being very personal.

[1309] And I film all my videos pretty much in my bedroom or my living room.

[1310] People feel like they're in my house with me. Right.

[1311] But that's also something that's dangerous when people start to feel too close to you.

[1312] And then they get very invested.

[1313] In your real life, they start trying to tamper in your real life, which just happened to me. So if I go too long without posting with like Joey or something, then it's like, you cheated on Blair, you guys broke up?

[1314] It's like, yeah.

[1315] So, and then he gets called gay every five minutes.

[1316] Yeah.

[1317] Yeah, his whole comment, sometimes I look at his phone and just look through his comments and it's like, gay, faggot, gay, gay, gay.

[1318] I'm like, why are you with me?

[1319] How are you, how are you happy with it?

[1320] Does he just blow it off?

[1321] He doesn't care.

[1322] That's, that's healthy.

[1323] Yeah, yeah, I think it takes a certain amount.

[1324] It tastes a certain personality.

[1325] Yeah.

[1326] And I think men who date trans women get probably more hate than trans women, I would say.

[1327] Yeah.

[1328] It's like a whole other thing.

[1329] Well, I don't know about that.

[1330] From my perspective, I don't get, I mean, I get hate for other reasons, like my beliefs and all that kind of shit.

[1331] But I very rarely get hate like, oh, you're a fucking tranny.

[1332] But maybe if he had a channel, does he have a channel?

[1333] Yeah.

[1334] But he doesn't really do it a lot, but he posts.

[1335] But if he did it a lot and he had like a lot of followers like you do, maybe he wouldn't.

[1336] because then people would know him for other things other than just the fact that he dates you.

[1337] Yeah, and that's his claim to deal with you two favors just dating me. It's really funny.

[1338] He'll get stopped in the mall like, are you Blair White's?

[1339] It's like, whatever.

[1340] Are you Blair White's bitch?

[1341] That's probably the word they use.

[1342] I'm sure.

[1343] Yeah.

[1344] I'm sure.

[1345] The mall is the worst place to talk to people about important things.

[1346] It's like...

[1347] Dude, I had like...

[1348] It was like a couple months ago, like right before I moved.

[1349] And I don't want to sound like I'm talking shit because it was very sweet, but this girl and her mom came up, and this girl was an adult, I say a girl, but an adult.

[1350] And she starts bawling, like bawling, being like, I transitioned because of you and you change my life and all this shit.

[1351] And she has kept going and going and going.

[1352] And I felt so, because that's part of like not believing positive comments.

[1353] It's like, I don't know how to accept people being nice in that way.

[1354] I don't know how to do it.

[1355] Yeah, well, it's hard.

[1356] You don't really know the person, then you just meet them one day.

[1357] And this outpouring of emotion comes from this person.

[1358] that you've never met before and they have this insane connection to you.

[1359] So, because like what we're doing, we're both doing the same thing you and I, right?

[1360] We're putting out our opinions on things and our thoughts on things.

[1361] And some people it resonates and some people it infuriates, right?

[1362] And so you might meet someone that fucking loves you and you've never met them before or you might meet someone that fucking hates you and you never met them before.

[1363] And both of them are equally crazy.

[1364] Yeah.

[1365] And in a strange way, equally is valid.

[1366] However you take me is like how you fucking take me. Right.

[1367] But this is another one of the really big realizations I had doing DMT.

[1368] So we should talk about that.

[1369] Okay.

[1370] So since doing DMT, which I did it two weeks ago, I did it twice in two weeks, I had this, like, overwhelming sense of like, some people do DMT and then they start seeing people as NPCs.

[1371] I've heard that talked about.

[1372] Like they start seeing people as like, these are not real people with souls and like, that's strange to me. Who said that?

[1373] I see it all the time.

[1374] People's like, I've had friends who do it and they start seeing people as NPCs based on what kind of trip they had.

[1375] Like if they saw the elves or didn't, if they just saw cool colors or didn't.

[1376] And for me, I'm actually - Wait a minute.

[1377] So you're saying that if people have a DMT trip and they didn't see the elves, then they think of that person who had that DMT trip as an NN -C?

[1378] As like an MPC.

[1379] Like you don't have like a soul because you didn't really connect with like any beings.

[1380] You just saw pretty colors.

[1381] Like a, you got a very simple experience.

[1382] You know what I mean?

[1383] But I had the opposite from after doing a DMT.

[1384] I see so much more humanity in everyone I'm around.

[1385] Like I feel very changed after doing DMT.

[1386] It's a very profound experience.

[1387] And, like, I'm just noticing more things about people.

[1388] I'm being more aware of, like, their body language and they talk to me. And it's, I think it was a very positive thing doing DMT.

[1389] And my experience was the closest thing to a spiritual experience I've ever had because I've never been a person that's been terribly connected to, like, anything larger than me. It had never been religious, never been spiritual.

[1390] And I'd say it was the closest to, like, a spiritual thing for me. I think it is a spiritual thing.

[1391] I think it's an undeniably spiritual thing.

[1392] And that's the thing about it, is like it forces you to think about love and connection and the bonds that people have with each other in a way that you don't get from anything else.

[1393] The powerful experience of a transcendent, psychedelic moment is, it's not like anything else you experience in life other than maybe, like, a near -death experience.

[1394] But you could argue that they're the same thing.

[1395] I know people that have had near -death experiences that swear that it was like a DMT I'm sure and there I think I don't think it's confirmed but people say that it's what happens when you legally die or medically die it's like you have a DMT trip and I could see that but it's not confirmed but there's a lot of him you know there's a lot of evidence that points to that I could see that and in a way made me like less fearful of death because I was like if this is what happens at the end it's a great feeling yeah I'm okay with it going out like that like it's you just get this for me at least when I first was hitting it and then like you start to leave the planet I felt like this intense like set of rings going around my body like of just warmth and like happiness and love and then all of a sudden I'm like in space and um and I did see an elf which is what people call them there's like what they look like um kind of like a court jester and it had like slinky long arms and it was and it sounds like crackhead shit if you'd ever done d o t no no I know not to you but a lot of people have a shared like physical description of what these things look like one of my most profound experiences i there was a bunch of court gestures give me the finger just flipping you off they're like fuck you like openly mocking me and i was like what killing your ego i really well i realized i take myself too seriously like as they were doing it i was like i know what you're saying and they went like this like chill out that's it i like i got it like while they were doing i I was like, oh, I get it, I get it.

[1396] Yeah.

[1397] That's the thing is like they, a common experience, people who meet the elves or the jester or whatever you want to call them, they have like something to like teach you.

[1398] So for me, it was kind of similar to learning not to take myself seriously, but it was more so don't take life so fucking seriously.

[1399] Trust the process of life because I'm someone who, even though I'd like to think I have my life pretty together, I still worry about everything so much all the time.

[1400] I'm always stressed out.

[1401] And the elf was telling me, like, does everything have?

[1402] have to be a fight, Blair.

[1403] Is everything a war?

[1404] Are you worried about everything?

[1405] Like, kind of clowning me a little bit, literally, because it's kind of clownish.

[1406] Like, really, is everything that serious?

[1407] Yeah.

[1408] And I was like, yeah, I'll just chill out.

[1409] Yeah.

[1410] And it was like that simple.

[1411] I was like, okay, I'll chill.

[1412] It's, it's good that you can grasp that and have that experience and learn from it, because a lot of people can't.

[1413] And that's when they have bad trips, because they try to fight it.

[1414] And they try to resist, no, I don't know fighting anything.

[1415] And then all of a sudden you're in this fucking death spiral?

[1416] That was my mistake was shrooms.

[1417] I did shrooms about a year ago.

[1418] It was actually when I was evacuating L .A. Because the riots went up with some friends in the mountains.

[1419] Let's do shrooms.

[1420] And it was my first time doing it.

[1421] And the person who was supplying said shrooms basically gave me a huge plate like this big, stacked it, covered it in shrooms and said, eat all of them, which is very irresponsible for someone's first time.

[1422] I don't know.

[1423] I just know it was a plate covered in shrooms.

[1424] Show me the size of the plate.

[1425] Give me an example.

[1426] Oh my God.

[1427] It was like a dinner plate.

[1428] Like when you'd go to like Ruth's Chris and have a steak.

[1429] Yes.

[1430] Yes.

[1431] But it was shrooms.

[1432] And I have never done shrooms in my life.

[1433] I had no, because until you do a psychedelic, you have no concept of psychedelic.

[1434] Like weed isn't anything close to it.

[1435] And I'm in the same planet.

[1436] So I ate all of it.

[1437] We walked down to the water and then the whole world changed.

[1438] But the difference between shrooms and DMT is like, to me with shrooms you're still on earth even though earth's heavily distorted and that's because you have your eyes open and you're walking around that's true DMT you leave earth if you were in silent darkness if you were alone by yourself in the dark and you were laying down on mushrooms and just closed your eyes it'd be very similar oh okay that makes sense to me yeah we were walking around and there's something about doing it like we were in this neighborhood and big bear with all these like cabins and like I started getting so freaked out that Everyone was just watching from their houses.

[1439] And it was me and five people.

[1440] And so we were all tripping, walking back to the cabin from the water, holding hands, walking slowly.

[1441] Oh, my God.

[1442] And I was like, are people looking, are people looking?

[1443] They probably are.

[1444] Look at these freaks holding hands, tripping balls.

[1445] And we were all like social media people, whatever.

[1446] We were like, people are going to film this.

[1447] It's going to be on YouTube tomorrow.

[1448] Wow.

[1449] It would be fun.

[1450] Yeah, I wouldn't have been ashamed.

[1451] It's not the best idea to do that publicly.

[1452] A lot of people wind up doing that.

[1453] They do it publicly.

[1454] and they trip balls and they walk around.

[1455] Or to eat a whole fucking plate.

[1456] Yeah.

[1457] I should have had one little shroom.

[1458] That's a good way to start.

[1459] Yeah.

[1460] A good way to start is like one and you get like a little feeling maybe like a doogram.

[1461] You know, nothing crazy.

[1462] Before you want to get into like the three to five gram like yikes.

[1463] I think it's also very important to do it when you're maybe in a good place in life.

[1464] Like I would never want to do it if I was in a bad place.

[1465] Like when I did shrooms, half of my trip was really, really.

[1466] scary and really bad because I was in a bad mindset like LA was on fire I was escaping I felt unsure about the world um right before we tripped it was like a news report like Trump going into a bunker as protesters ascend upon the White House and I was like let me escape this I don't I don't think it's good to use it like as escapism shrooms did Trump have to go to a bunker is that real I think they I think he denied it after that but I remember in D .C. when it was the riots happening and I think they moved Trump to a safe place I'm sure he would deny but but but when I did dean EMT.

[1467] I did it very recently and I'm in like one of the best places of my life recently.

[1468] Like I'm in a new city that I'm actually really enjoying even though it was a tough transition at first.

[1469] I've been through a couple of those.

[1470] But I'm just very happy so I wasn't escaping anything.

[1471] I was like, teach me what you have to teach me. Right.

[1472] Yeah.

[1473] And then the second time I went even farther.

[1474] But it's, um, it's very bizarre that it's so there.

[1475] It's so easy to get to.

[1476] It's just 15 seconds away.

[1477] It's one of the most.

[1478] insane experiences that a human being could possibly encounter yeah it's if that was a if there was a thing that you could like a ride at Disneyland it would be a mile long mile long line to get into that fucking thing right everybody would be like oh I want to go on that ride right because it's so fucking crazy yeah and just the fact that I don't know so I had a lot of resistance towards ever trying psychedelics for a while because I did grow up in a house household where everyone was addicted to drugs and my brother was in prison for selling drugs and heroin and all that kind of shit right um so i was like i'm never going to do a drug but then like i just see psychedelics a bit different it's not it's not meth it's not any of that shit they are very very very different yeah it's a whole different thing and like it's really hard to even articulate what the trip is with DMT specifically without ever doing it so like people were telling about the elves and i was like y 'all are crackheads don't tell me about some fucking hell was about to meet.

[1479] Have you ever heard the expression, Entheogen?

[1480] That's what psychedelics are.

[1481] I think if you Google the term entheogen, I think it's of God.

[1482] I think that's something of God.

[1483] The idea is that these things are doorways to the divine.

[1484] There's really a place that you can go to and you go to through a chemical doorway in your mind, through things that exist on this earth that people have to share.

[1485] They have to tell you about it and they share them.

[1486] And that through these experiences, you can transcend your time here on earth and get a perspective that's not available any other way.

[1487] So Entheogen means chemical substance plant origin ingested to produce an extraordinary sense of consciousness.

[1488] Yeah, but what is the, that's just the definition of it, but there's a root of the word.

[1489] like where does the word and theogen come from Google that because it means something Theo is definitely religious yeah it means something that has to do with God let's say here well it makes nomenclature there it goes makes perfect sense to me full of God inspired possessed that's it so it translates to in English as full of God so what is it from Greek yeah it's from ancient Greek that's that's what it is that's a better word for these things than drugs the problem with the term drug is it's all it's a blanket term that you could use for caffeine they use for nicotine use for alcohol yeah there's a lot of drugs yeah adrenaline's a drug and while I'm sure it's possible I can't imagine after now doing DMT twice I can't imagine someone becoming like addicted to it oh I wouldn't know about that I know a guy was a tattoo artist that was doing DMT every fucking day multiple times a day and then finally the entities had to sit him down and go hey motherfucker stop stop like you're going to lose your grip on this world wow yeah they literally told him to stop doing it he said see it's such an intense experience for me that I couldn't imagine wanting that every day it's kind of like I did it and I'm good for a while this guy's a fucking nuts he's a wild dude he's uh an artist who does uh biomech tattoos you know that biomec type of art you know what I'm talking about bio mech see if you can google like biomech art my buddy has a sleeve done by this dude his um his art's incredible oh okay that makes sense yeah but his is more like that like that exactly like that so it's like almost like alien that's cool yeah like that's that's a certain certain style of tattooing called biomech and this dude was fucking he's well he is still elite at it that's a cool thing to specialize in that type of tattoo yeah that's a little different that's not that's more like it that's more like it that kind of it's all this weird sort of alien looking fucking trippy I would imagine you have to be an intense guy to even know how to do that so yeah well it's also to specialize in that one particular style of art it's like his vision of life was like all fucked up and distorted and twisted one of the people I did DMT with wasn't told to like not do DMT anymore by the owls but was told like you know you don't have to come back anymore almost in a gentle way like we came out of our trips and the friend was like they told me I don't have to come back anymore I'm like how many times have you done it he's like nine I'm like maybe take a break then I've done it nine I've done it more than nine yeah yeah I think I haven't done it a couple years though so maybe I could get back in there and have a conversation but the like I said the last time that I did it was probably the most intense and the most weird because when they were giving me the finger but it was like I've never like But it's just, I think sometimes what people do and what I've certainly done is you protect yourself from criticism or you protect yourself from your own analysis of your correct and incorrect thoughts and actions by bullshitting yourself.

[1490] And one of the ways that you realize if you're bullshitting yourself is like, how do you react to satire?

[1491] How do you react to being mocked?

[1492] How do you react to people not taking you seriously?

[1493] Do you go, ah, as their prerogative, good luck.

[1494] Or do you go, fuck them, I'm going to fucking make a response video.

[1495] Right.

[1496] You know, and the aliens or the whatever they were, the gestures.

[1497] And they all had the little bells, the little hats with the bells.

[1498] Yeah, it's so crazy.

[1499] They look like a little courtyard.

[1500] It's nuts.

[1501] But they were going like this, fuck you.

[1502] And they were like openly mocking me. And my initial response was, hey.

[1503] And then I realized like, oh.

[1504] And they were like, ah, that's it.

[1505] You got it.

[1506] I was like, all right.

[1507] They're kind of sarcastic.

[1508] Oh, yeah.

[1509] Well, they know your bullshit.

[1510] They know all of your nonsense.

[1511] They know all of your thoughts.

[1512] They know, I mean, whatever the fuck they are, whether they're a part of your consciousness or whether these are intelligent entities in another dimension that you're interacting with.

[1513] See, that is what I've been questioning since doing this.

[1514] So I was told by a friend who's done DMT a lot that after you do DMT, pay attention to the real world.

[1515] And if you believe that the elves are real beings that are independent of something created in your own brain due to the DMT, they'll, like, send you a sign, right?

[1516] And I was like, again, crackhead shit.

[1517] No, I'm not going to meet the elves in real life, right?

[1518] Right.

[1519] So one of the things in my first trip that they kept telling me was this is not the end.

[1520] This is not the end.

[1521] They kept telling me that because I think I was asking them, like, is this what happens when you die?

[1522] Like, what is this?

[1523] They said the phrase, this is not the end multiple times.

[1524] Directly after the trip, we go to a restaurant.

[1525] and I wasn't liking the inner Like those are like a glow after you DMT That you kind of want to maintain And I didn't like the energy in the first restaurant So I was like, let's leave Went to another restaurant What was wrong with the energy?

[1526] The people were just weird, I don't know It's like you create like a bubble When you do it with like friends And you're like, I don't like what they might do to our bubble So then we go to another restaurant And there's a huge sign that just says This is not the end on the thing And I'm like Whoa What?

[1527] And then I looked at my friend who told me to look for signs and he's like, told you.

[1528] Whoa.

[1529] So I'm like, I mean, I'm not saying that I think that they really are beings.

[1530] I'm gone back and forth between that.

[1531] You know what?

[1532] I got the impression.

[1533] I've got the impression of this before, but I got the impression after the last time that I did it, that the world that you and I are operating in right now, like this conscious waking world of tangible physical objects that you can touch and feel and way, is like a thin sliver of veneer that we're existing in.

[1534] We're existing in this thin sliver of space, and we're connected to this thing that we can't experience under normal conscious states.

[1535] And this thing is constantly being affected and changed by what's happening in this thin sliver of veneer.

[1536] So all the thoughts that you have, all the behavior that you exhibit, all the actions that you take, all of those things that exist in this thin veneer is affecting.

[1537] all of this it's going on in eternity, that there's this infinite space of whatever these things are, whether they're souls or interdimensional creatures or beings, but that the way you interact with other people has a direct effect on that world, and that world has a direct effect on the way you interact with people, and that you have to develop some sort of harmony, and I think that people struggle to do that throughout history.

[1538] That's one of the reasons why religion is so, it's so common.

[1539] It's not just common.

[1540] It's amongst all tribes, they've always had a belief, almost all of them, almost all major civilizations have had a belief in something larger than themselves.

[1541] And whether it's gods or whether it's like a lot of the Native Americans thought that a lot of their gods existed in nature, the gods of animals and coyotes were gods and the son was a god and that these there's some larger than this current experience thing that we must pay homage to that we must give praise to that we we must feel the divine intervention of these other realms and it's just exists in all cultures and all societies and I think part of that is because there's moments in time where you recognize and you could have these moments in time whether it's the birth of a child, whether it's true love, whether it's just the bonding between friends in an incredible moment in life where you feel like you get up just a chance for a second to peek your head through the clouds.

[1542] There's something more.

[1543] Yeah, and see that there's something more and that you're somehow another connected to this, but our monkey bodies will not allow us to see it.

[1544] Because to survive, you can't really live in that realm.

[1545] For most of human history, if you wanted to survive, you had to be a barbarian.

[1546] You had to be savage.

[1547] You had to have knives and tools, and you have to be able to fight off predators and warring tribes that want to invade you.

[1548] You couldn't live in the spiritual realm until they figured out how to stockpile ammunition and food and develop walls.

[1549] Exactly.

[1550] And then they started tripping balls.

[1551] Right.

[1552] But that is one of the first things, at least for me and my experience with DMT, both times I tripped.

[1553] The first thing that happened, other than those warm rings of love I talked about before, is I felt my body.

[1554] disappear.

[1555] I like almost part by part.

[1556] I felt my hair disappear.

[1557] I felt my hands disappear.

[1558] I felt like the clothes I was wearing became like stupid.

[1559] Like I instantly lost sense of my body and like the meat that I'm here in.

[1560] And it's funny because leading up to doing it, my friend was like, I'm a little concern that you're going to go into this and they come out and be like, I'm a man. I need to fucking detransitioned like to have some weird gendered crisis because of it.

[1561] Who thought that?

[1562] well Michael was telling me like like if you do it I wonder if you're gonna have malice yeah oh that fucking idiot right right right so he was got it tripping me out a little bit and I was like he's so silly I know he is he's probably fucking with you probably um he seemed genuinely concerned though but but I did it has he done it I don't think so that's a problem yeah but he needs it more than anybody right but there's no concepts of gender when you're tripping on DMT.

[1563] Your body isn't a thing, so why would your gender be a thing?

[1564] It's like a different universe.

[1565] No. Sensuality, though.

[1566] I've seen like women, like female figures that were like dancing sensually and touching.

[1567] Geometric shapes.

[1568] Yeah, and touching other female figures and touching other human bodies, like some, what represented human bodies.

[1569] But the thing is like, whatever the image that you're seeing, it only stays what that is for a second or two.

[1570] And then it and then it becomes something else and it's like this constant weird and again you sound like a crackhead if you're talking to someone who's never had it before i know i know i filmed a video my DMT experience and the whole time i was talking about it i was like 90 % of people to watchers are going to think i'm a fucking crackhead now because but but once you experience you you realize it is real and for me like i said because i've never been connected to anything higher than me maybe people will hear that and think that oh this is a very shallow worldly person in the worst way but i've never believed in god i've never believed in like a sense of higher self.

[1571] But I got that with DMT.

[1572] Suddenly I was like, oh, this is really small what we're in and almost completely inconsequential.

[1573] Yeah, but in order to stay alive, the thing is we're so attached to the monkey body.

[1574] That's what we have.

[1575] We have primate bodies.

[1576] And in order to stay alive, like this fucking thing right here, this is our ancestor, this chimp.

[1577] I mean, not really.

[1578] Hey, grandma.

[1579] But whatever that is, is very similar to what we used to be.

[1580] we used to be some weird crazy brutal primate and now we're still pretty crazy and pretty brutal but we're moving into some strange new realm where we're eventually going to look like this like if you think about what that is versus what this is like this is the direction we're going and that's the direction we came from and we're still trapped in this body of muscle and sinew and tissue and hormones and the need to breed and the need to be accepted by the community to to achieve status so that your social status encourages more people to breed with you.

[1581] Like, this is all monkey shit.

[1582] It's all the same shit.

[1583] And I guess I've just really appreciated the sense of vastness that DMG gave me. Because I feel like I'm like a more or less rather materialistic person suddenly.

[1584] Like, I tried to go to the mall the other day and I was like, maybe I should go get like a purse or do.

[1585] buy some shit that costs way too much for no reason and I was like that seems stupid before that I would have been totally down so it just made me less attached to what is here but you can go too far with that too yeah you could lose your grip on the natural world and be a fucking hermit living in the cave somewhere just want to trip all day I'll be that eventually like oh yeah for sure maybe not the tripping part but like I see my life as like I'm only going to be here doing shit like this for a little bit.

[1586] Why do you say that?

[1587] Because you're doing it now.

[1588] I give this that's the thing that I have with people that like think one day I'm going to retire and this is going to be my golden years.

[1589] Like what are you talking about bitch?

[1590] Well I want to look at like the end of their life as being some like magic time where they're just going to be happy.

[1591] Sit around on the porch drinking lemonade.

[1592] Yeah.

[1593] I guess I just am a pessimist by nature and I see the direction that society's going in and it's kind of like just worrisome.

[1594] And so I envision the antithesis of what we have now which is the state more and more in your life people telling you what to do people in your shit to the point where you can't go to a restaurant in some places without getting a medical procedure and then getting it checked by a minimum wage worker at the front of the business um the opposite of that is like what me being in like the middle of nowhere with like some dogs chilling you might get bored and you might need more social interaction more intelligent conversation there might be you know you might be more miserable that way than you are like there's a certain amount on a fun and being in the middle of this chaotic situation and being around like -minded people.

[1595] And you go out to dinner with them and you go, what the fuck is going on?

[1596] They're like, yeah, what is going on?

[1597] Yeah.

[1598] Yeah.

[1599] There's fun to it.

[1600] Like, I'm not encouraging society to go in this general direction in order for other people to have fun.

[1601] I want to be clear.

[1602] But the fact that it's happening right now, you can find solace in like -minded people.

[1603] And then it actually makes the conversations more fun when people out of their fucking mind.

[1604] And you find a tribe.

[1605] And you find a tribe.

[1606] And I'm, I try very hard to not be tribalistic, especially when you're doing, like, political stuff and whatever.

[1607] Like, I never really feel at home in a room full of conservatives.

[1608] I've been invited to a lot of, like, whether it's just like, GOP events or.

[1609] Have you gone with those?

[1610] Like turning point tech deals?

[1611] Some of them, type of shit.

[1612] I did a talk with the log cabin Republicans a couple weeks ago.

[1613] That's hilarious.

[1614] The log cabin Republicans.

[1615] Those are the gay Republicans.

[1616] Are they really?

[1617] Yeah.

[1618] Is that what they call themselves logs?

[1619] Is that what the log?

[1620] Cabin's all about?

[1621] I guess so.

[1622] Oh, my God.

[1623] That's hilarious.

[1624] And I met some lovely people, but I also never feel at home in it, because it's just so tribalistic, it's so partisan.

[1625] And for me, it's like, I think of, like, all my friends met the closest people in my life.

[1626] None of them have anything in common.

[1627] So my best friend is a little person from Cuba.

[1628] Like, a literal, like, he's has dwarfism.

[1629] My second best friend is the only transgender refugee from Ghana.

[1630] So she's from Africa.

[1631] And, like, has she's very different politically than me. So is he.

[1632] then I have like an anarchist friend Michael Malice and I have like trans escort friends that I have then I have like very like necktie conservative friends it's like I like that none of my friends have a ton in common because I'm just attracted to individuals rather than like this person thinks like me so this is my friend I have those but I like having people that are completely different the log cabin Republicans might be the bridge that might be those those might be the people that can pull everybody together because they can check off all these ideological boxes in terms of like sexual orientation and being open -minded to LGBTQ issues like hey, you know, he's gay but he's also conservative.

[1633] Let's listen to him.

[1634] Maybe he's got a point.

[1635] Maybe he's a kind conservative.

[1636] Well, that's the thing.

[1637] So Michael Malitz and I have discussed this theory that like the best way to red pill people is to achieve like acceptance of LGBT people in the right wing spaces because people aren't going to to like where the Nazis are basically you know what I mean you mean Gab like Gab we didn't find any Nazis like gap I was disappointed you didn't look hard enough but when you alienate when you alienate LGBT people you're alienating their friends and their family you're alienating the girl who loves to go shopping with her gay best friend teenage girls you know what I mean and it's like maybe just chill off that shit like there's a lot of values you probably shouldn't compromise on if you're like a true conservative but like whether or not someone's like taking it up the ass or wants to be a girl it's like that's your biggest it's the dumbest value to concentrate on it is but it's like the main value for so many of them well it's a fear and it's a it's a weird religious thing too because like in the bible you know homosexuality in the old testament is frowned upon but so is eating shellfish right so is wearing two different types of cloth you're supposed to stone your kids if they talk back oh i don't think conservatives really do that there's a lot of shit in the bible that's very wow But they concentrate on the gay one for some, I mean, I don't know what, it may be back in the time.

[1638] See, one of the major theories about the advent of Christianity has to do with psychedelic drugs.

[1639] There's a guy named John Marco Allegro, and he was an ordained minister, and he was on the Dead Sea Scrolls translation committee, the group of people that were translating the Dead Sea Scrolls.

[1640] and he was also a theologian so he was a he was an ordained minister but it became agnostic over the years because he was studying religion for so long he's like this is all kind of crazy like so he's like I'm just going to like I'm not going to have any ideological perspective when it comes to religion I'm agnostic even though he was an ordained minister so when he was hired and when he was brought on as this part of one of the experts on like to translate this, the oldest known version of the Bible.

[1641] And I think it's the only version of the Bible that we have that's in Aramaic.

[1642] And when he translated Dead Sea Scrolls over, I believe it was over 14 years, he wrote a book called The Sacred Mushroom in the Cross.

[1643] And what he said was that all of this stuff that you're reading is, you know, there's translations, you're translating things from ancient Hebrew, which is a language is based on numbers.

[1644] Like ancient Hebrew letters doubled as numbers Because there was no numbers So the letter A was also the number one So like it's really weird But you gotta think about this And I hope I'm not fucking this up But the way it was explained to me Was that language in ancient Hebrew Had numerical value The words had numerical value Like the word love and the word God They had the same numerical value Like that they're using these words In the way you would place the letters It was because it had a number value to it that we don't think of when it gets translated to Greek, into Latin, to English.

[1645] Yeah.

[1646] And so he read this all these years, and he came to the conclusion that this was all a misunderstanding.

[1647] And then our version of what Christianity is, it's a crazy book.

[1648] I have multiple copies of it.

[1649] And I have original copies of it because it was bought up, I believe it was bought up by the Catholic Church.

[1650] And then a guy named Jan Irvin put it back into print a few years back but this book is essentially saying that all of christianity was essentially about fertility rituals and consuming psychedelic mushrooms and that the fertility rituals because people fucking died so often back then that you needed to have a lot of babies yeah people need to constantly have babies and how do you talk to god and theogens yeah so his thought was this i think or the thought is that the reason why they didn't want people to be homosexual is because they wouldn't have children.

[1651] And if you're homosexual and you're not having children, you're not helping to contribute to the population because people are dying off.

[1652] Like, they would have rituals to try to bring babies into the world.

[1653] They would, like, try to make people more pregnant, more, you know, more fertile.

[1654] This was a fertility ritual was a big part of these ancient religions.

[1655] Right.

[1656] Because infant mortality was so high.

[1657] People died.

[1658] If you got a fucking cut and it got infected, you're dead people died all the time right they literally couldn't afford just have gay people running around right yeah i mean that would make kind of sense if you were thinking about it for the context of people who lived eight thousand plus years ago whatever it was i guess that's just why i've always had i mean i've always respected religious freedom i see that it does something positive and many people i know's lives and i think that that's great um but i've i've always been so removed from even like caring or understanding religion or why people People think that, like, we should be reading books from thousands of years ago to determine how we live now.

[1659] It's always been a very weird concept to me. Like, I've always been not an atheist, because I don't even care enough to say atheist.

[1660] I've always just been, like, I don't care if there's a God or not.

[1661] Really?

[1662] Yeah.

[1663] I mean, I guess I've thought about it, but never to the point.

[1664] I've always had this thing that, like, I'll find out or I won't find out.

[1665] But once you did DMT, did that change?

[1666] Well, that's the thing.

[1667] I have that sense of a bigness now and that there's more.

[1668] but I don't know if that's God.

[1669] You should have a T -shirt that says a bigness.

[1670] Sell it on your YouTube page.

[1671] Just a bigness.

[1672] That's what I think.

[1673] The word, that's like the word I think.

[1674] It's a bigness to like what it shows you.

[1675] I like it.

[1676] I'll wear it.

[1677] Get me a large.

[1678] A bigness.

[1679] I like it.

[1680] Yeah.

[1681] So, I don't know.

[1682] I don't think it's God per se.

[1683] But I do, maybe.

[1684] But I do, I did get the sense that this like gesture.

[1685] that was talking to me this elf this clown this crazy bitch she I had the sense that she's been around me forever it's crazy that you saw gestures too well it's a common thing gestures are common I mean well yeah but to me it looked like a a courtyard like and everything else was colorful it was like colors you can't even describe it was so beautiful but then she was like black and white like a like a fucking jester like a jester yeah wow yeah and but that's that's what gets me questioning like if these really are beings independent of what our brain could create or that actually exist on some level because there are like uniform experiences with certain things like on shrooms like oh the table's going to warp and you're going to look at your dog and your dog's going to look funny and whatever but like to actually see like what we perceive to be like autonomous beings and for people to have similar recountings of what they look like it's going to be like are those fish is real right because that's what's weird to me it's like you met the elves too yeah whereas when you do shrooms it's like oh the tree looks funny too yeah you know if you close your eyes you can meet the elves too i'm going to try to do that on shrooms i didn't know you could oh yeah silent darkness is the way to go you'll see pyramids and hieroglyphics and you'll see aliens and UFOs and they'll tell you the earth is dying and they'll tell you it's like mushrooms tend to be there's like a lot of apocalyptic vision that's attached to like extraterrestrial ideas that are that happened my second trip which is scary yeah i i haven't even told anyone this because i haven't even been ready to say it to like my friends that did dmpe with me and afterwards we were telling each other our trips but i left out that i think i saw hell which is scary pat benatar says hell's for children we guess i'm a fucking child i'm a huge baby because i saw what i thought was like the entryway to hell i didn't go fully in But I saw, like, it, and it was really scary.

[1686] Yeah, I saw, like, just suffering and pain.

[1687] And, like, I don't know if it's, like, the traditional, like, hell in terms of, like, in the Bible or whatever.

[1688] But I saw just, like, an area that you would never want to go.

[1689] Yeah, well, whether or not hell exists, there's hell on earth.

[1690] Like, if you are carted off to a concentration camp and tortured, if you live in North Korea, if you live in China, if you're a Uyghur Muslim in China and your whole family, thrown into a train and shipped off to some work camp and tortured and, you know, I mean, think of all the horrific things that happened during the Holocaust, all the horrific things that have happened in many genocides, what the fucking the Mongols did during the wrath of the Khan.

[1691] We have no concept of it.

[1692] We have no idea.

[1693] We have no idea.

[1694] Imagine living during the time of Genghis Khan and you watch these people, torture your whole family, cut the limbs off of your children and throw them at you and laugh and light your fucking building on fire and they people throughout history have done horrendous things to other people and the terrifying part is like you don't even have to look to history to see it because a lot of it's happening right now like so you've had I don't want to butcher her name but yawn me park yes so I admit to have been completely ignorant about the realities of North Korea until I found her channel and I'll watch videos and the things that she'll describe in the experiences, it's like, I am the luckiest person on earth to simply have not been fucking born there.

[1695] And you hear, like, her stories of, like, seeing, like, starving, deformed people on the streets and children eating rats and, like, just the craziest shit that there's no concept of from this bitch who was born in California and moved to Texas.

[1696] Right.

[1697] You think it's hard that you were in a small town.

[1698] Yeah.

[1699] Fuck.

[1700] Like, and this is also one of the things that I've been really grateful for with my friendship.

[1701] with Michael Malice.

[1702] I'm sure he loves how many times he mentioned him on this podcast.

[1703] He's becoming popular.

[1704] I know he is.

[1705] But he, one of the things I've been very thankful for is I never really had a real job before YouTube and the life I have now.

[1706] So I don't really necessarily have a concept of like toiling and like maybe what life could be if I was like struggling really hard for money or whatever.

[1707] And he is older than me and he tells me all the time.

[1708] He's like, you need to be thankful for what you have because your life is literally phenomenal.

[1709] Like the fact that you can, can just be you for a living and just talk to your friends for a living and like you don't have to worry about shit like that it's like don't ever lose gratitude for that and it's so true it's pretty extraordinary if you think about all the different ways that people can make a living the fact that you and I both that we just kind of talk shit with friends that's the other thing it's like when michael came over i was like hey you want to come over and just like talk shit for a video and he's like yeah it came over we just like laugh for an hour got him an uber home and it's like that's what pays my fucking rent.

[1710] I know.

[1711] Like it makes you feel like almost not guilty, but like, what did I do to do the of this?

[1712] I feel like that all the time.

[1713] Yeah.

[1714] Because all my jobs are like that.

[1715] Stand up comedy, when I do commentary for the UFC, all my jobs are less like, how the fuck did I get this job?

[1716] How is this possible?

[1717] Yeah.

[1718] You know?

[1719] I think it really is just, you don't want to contribute it completely to luck, but I think it's a lot of luck.

[1720] A lot of luck.

[1721] Like 90 % luck.

[1722] Because especially, like, you probably know this living in L .A. for as long as you did.

[1723] It's like, you just meet people that it's like, this person is so much more talented than me, this person is so much smarter than me, maybe prettier than me, and they cannot get ahead at all in life.

[1724] And I'm like, this person deserves it more than me. I don't know if it's 90 % luck, but it's a high percentage.

[1725] But there's also discipline.

[1726] And that is one of the hardest things for people to come by.

[1727] When people don't have it, it's so hard to fake.

[1728] It's so hard to get yourself to do things.

[1729] and I don't necessarily know why you know when I was a kid I was not disciplined but I was always obsessed so I get obsessed with things so if they tell me I have to clean my room or they tell me homework is due by the 12th I can't do it I just can't do it they tell me I have to be at work at time I can't do it I can't do it I can't do it I just some fucking loser I'm a loser I guess I'm just always gonna be a loser but then I found things like for me it was martial arts and art it was art a lot it was drawing and I was obsessed and so I would draw all day and I was really good at it and it became a thing where I was like I couldn't wait to get alone with a pad and a pen and start drawing so then I realized I go okay okay I'm not disciplined but if I just find things that I love to do then I am right because I'm not it's not that I'm not disciplined I'm just not disciplined to do things that I don't enjoy doing yeah yeah yeah that's what you have to find what people have to find is a thing that they love to do and then do it as much as you can just go but if you don't love to do it don't do it do it if you have to to make a living and then find the thing that you love to do and do that so as much as it is luck it's also you have to have the mentality to push through and find the path and be able to deal with adversity and a lot of people can't they encounter like a little bit of a struggle a little bit of problem and like, uh, too much, I'd rather get high, too much.

[1730] I'll get drunk with my friends, too much, I'll do pills and go to a concert.

[1731] And that's what a lot of people do.

[1732] And they wind up ruining the luck that they do have.

[1733] Yeah.

[1734] For me, it was seeing all the wrong decisions made from the people around me when I was a child.

[1735] So, um, like I said before, I was the only person in my immediate family to not be addicted to a substance.

[1736] My brother was heavily involved with gangs, a lot of violence, um, a lot of really, shady people in and out of my house all day long my parents fought like nothing i'd ever seen like i'm surprised i have a healthy sense of relationships now because all i saw was like horrible fighting um and there was cheating that happened between them and drugs and alcohol and bad decisions and so i grew up just constantly surrounded by people doing the wrong things although my dad held a good job and took care of us money but it was still a lot of bad shit um and so i think i learned at an early age like okay so this is the blueprint of not what not to do like so my brother for example it's like how did you end up the one in jail and down and out and not to care of your kids and whatever and I'm the fucking tranny and I'm like the one that has my life together how is that we had the same opportunity to grow up in the same lifestyle it's because I was a little younger than him and I saw him and do everything wrong so I was like okay so I'm not going to do meth I'm not going to join a gang Imagine me in a gang.

[1737] Last side story.

[1738] Right.

[1739] So I think that's important too.

[1740] Sometimes you can just see.

[1741] But then you think of how many kids are growing up in the inner cities and in bad communities and they can never make that connection that what you're seeing is the wrong thing to do.

[1742] So maybe it was the internet now that I'm thinking about it.

[1743] I was able to kind of see people live other lives through MySpace and through the internet.

[1744] A guarantee that had an effect.

[1745] Yeah, because I've always been on the internet even before I did it for a living.

[1746] What do you think led you to identify as a conservative?

[1747] Well, I don't identify as a conservative.

[1748] But you call yourself a conservative.

[1749] No, no, no. I said people call me that.

[1750] But you go to conservative things.

[1751] So I'm center right.

[1752] I think that's the best way you describe my ideology.

[1753] Senator right.

[1754] To me, conservative entails, like, religion.

[1755] When I think of, like, a conservative Republican, I think of, like, someone whose ideology is reinforced by religious beliefs, and that's not me. But if you say center right to most.

[1756] people they would say you're conservative well of course but they also call me far right and say that you're associating with far right people that really aren't you know what i mean so labels are for the birds for me if anything um i think that there is just more of a sense on the right usually towards individualism rather than collectivism and that's something that really spoke to me when i turned like 18 when i started realizing well if i'm going to be trans and i'm going to figure out how to get the money to transition and live this very like specific life that's not going to be supported by many people around me, I'm going to have to be like a complete individual and be okay with that and really take my life into my own hands and manifest what I want to do and and be a capitalist.

[1757] It's not easy to transition.

[1758] It's a lot of money.

[1759] So that's those kind of always geared me towards the right, I guess.

[1760] But but again, I'm not a conservative in the traditional sense.

[1761] I mean, how could I be?

[1762] I mean, I guess I could be.

[1763] But you could be one of those like self -loathing conservatives it's possible like there's a lot of those pray the gay away people that's so sad to me it's the sad as shit ever i've i've met obviously people like that and and the funny part about my life is like because i've been in like so many rooms at these like conservative events it's like i had this like list of famous conservative commentators that have like try to fuck you ha ha and every time i'm drunk with michael malice i drop one more name and he's always like yeah have you ever seen that video where there's a guy who has a bow tie on and he is talking to a preacher and uh he says i'm not gay no more i am delivered oh yeah yeah yeah yeah you ever see that video yeah i think that guy whenever i think of the pray the gay away i think of that poor bastard because that guy is about as gay as a fucking guy could ever be gay it's around my loment uh did he really i mean it's it's he's for show but at the same time like but this find that video i love that that video because it's just they all start dancing and then they huddle like a gang bang they all get on top of each other they're like smush they all smush and they're like dancing together and huddling and feeling the holy spirit see i've never understood denying no that's not is this another one whoa look at this one those are some bitches vogueing probably that's it that's it for sure give me some volume tell those people tell them i'm not gay i'm not gay no more I am delivered he's got a big yellow bowtie oh women I'm not gay I would not make a man I would not tear up her will love a women no watch this he starts dancing look at him look at him look at him look at him God with him hold oh wait a minute Hold just one minute.

[1764] Now, either you're going to believe this stuff or you ought to stop preaching it.

[1765] If you can't praise God with him, you're an unbeliever.

[1766] You're an unbeliever.

[1767] This is nice.

[1768] Look at this.

[1769] They're all going to dance together.

[1770] Look at this.

[1771] Listen, nobody does it better than black people know how to be churches.

[1772] Oh, yeah, for sure.

[1773] Their churches are so much more entertaining.

[1774] I'm not even the latest and I've been to with you.

[1775] It's fun.

[1776] I grew up.

[1777] Catholic and this boring and scary.

[1778] Oh yeah.

[1779] It's all boring and then just depressing and weird.

[1780] These people are having a good fucking time.

[1781] Look at them dancing.

[1782] They have music.

[1783] They figured out how to connect it to good music.

[1784] Well, also gay people know how to party.

[1785] But everybody's...

[1786] Yeah, but they're all getting it, yeah.

[1787] That guy's not buying it.

[1788] Look at him.

[1789] He's a boy, you gay.

[1790] He is gonna go right back to be gay.

[1791] I am not...

[1792] Dick at his mouth next hour.

[1793] I'm not born.

[1794] fire on this I got a problem Oh he's got a problem It still looks like he's alone This is why he institutes the gang bang The devil's not gonna leave him alone I'll have some show enough believers That's your next shirt A Bigley and show enough believers Is that what we said?

[1795] A bigness A bigness a bigness and show enough believers See?

[1796] Now they've got a gangbang going on Look at them They're all huddled Oh this is his dream Look at these people dancing up.

[1797] They're like bees when they try to smother one of them hornets that comes to kill the queen.

[1798] They'll get on top of them and buzz until they die from the heat.

[1799] Look at them.

[1800] hilarious.

[1801] Dude.

[1802] We get it.

[1803] I've never understood, like, denying aspects of who you are.

[1804] Because they think they could change it.

[1805] I know.

[1806] They think that if they pray hard enough, they can change it, and they hate the fact that they're not like everybody else.

[1807] Yeah.

[1808] For me, I've always liked the fact that I'm not like anybody else.

[1809] I actually think that's like a strength, not a weakness.

[1810] And also, like I said before, everyone knew before I even told them I was going to transition because I've just always been such a faggot that like when I was 13, I was in my small little town wearing like glitter heels and I had purple hair.

[1811] That's hilarious.

[1812] I was literally the depiction of the type of person who hates me now.

[1813] I was like, I used to be you, so don't even tell me about myself.

[1814] I don't understand why they hate you.

[1815] Like, why?

[1816] Because your perspectives are different.

[1817] Because I don't agree with trans kids.

[1818] like young underage people transitioning but you if imagine if someone had come to you when you were seven or eight and said hey Blair I think what's really going on is you're trans and we can help you now and it would greatly improve the way you feel how feminine you are when you go through puberty because we're gonna stop it and nip it in its bud you'll be way more feminine I don't think that that would have been good for me I don't think that there's when you're going through puberty regardless, trans or not, it's such a confusing insane time.

[1819] I don't think it's necessarily the right thing to pump a bunch of hormones in a kid.

[1820] And there's also no telltale, foolproof way.

[1821] I mean, we're speaking in hypotheticals, like maybe if someone would have been psychic and known it and known, I would have always been okay with it.

[1822] But what if I would have had some sort of like ideological shift halfway through and been like, well, maybe even though I think I'm trans, maybe transition isn't the right way to deal with it.

[1823] There are people who believe that.

[1824] Right.

[1825] Like there are people who believe that you can absolutely be trans, have gender dysphoria, but that transitioning isn't the solution.

[1826] There's a lot of people that believe that you'll eventually just become a gay man. Exactly.

[1827] Yeah, and there's some evidence to that.

[1828] But the problem with that evidence is like just the fact that trans people exist in the first place shows you that there's so much variety to how human beings are.

[1829] There's the variables are so extreme.

[1830] Like there's clearly some sort of a spectrum of people.

[1831] And some people would be fine just being a gay man, but some people all, like, will and I'll think well that's the thing is I think two things to meet you at once and that's kind of like the problem with this whole issue is that I have met trans people who transitioned very I know a girl who transitioned when she was literally 12 I believe and her whole family hid from the school and the rest of her family they literally they didn't fake her death but they kind of just stopped talking about her existing and then she became a girl and they just had a daughter and no one never talked about it isn't that weird but she transitioned at 12 so her whole life and she's happy.

[1832] Did they move?

[1833] Yeah.

[1834] They moved.

[1835] Yes.

[1836] So they moved to a new town and they had a daughter in this new town and they can hit it from everyone and she only recently came out and she's happy.

[1837] She would not regret it at all.

[1838] But then you also have these kids going online talking about this was a mistake.

[1839] This is a horrible thing.

[1840] This was a social contagion.

[1841] And especially being me because I've been publicly empathetic towards those people and I'm one of the few trans people that is public online that talks about it.

[1842] I get a lot of emails.

[1843] So it's like I can see my friends on an Anna total level that like are happy with it and transition very very young but then i have like 10 emails from like today yeah but you're not going to get as many emails from the people that are happy as you are from the people that are unhappy right very true very true i guess just the issue is that there's no way to really know that this person's not or regret it and at the end of the day when you transition you are taking away your ability to have kids you are sterilizing yourself at least male to female do you get do you get love from the trans community or do you you you get some love do you get mostly love i get a lot um so i get a lot of love from trans people that there's just so many people in the trans community now that it's like there's many different types of people so the people who are on ticot maybe that think the extent of them being trans is that they're quirky and weird and have green hair and they're non -binary demi boy whatever those people don't like me demi boy i don't know what it is all all these phrases but but then they're trans people that transition think of Buck Angel he and I are good friends and if I go to like an LGBT club or bar here in Austin or LA or whatever I can't really walk more than two feet without people showing love and gratitude and whatever so in real life people are nice to you oh yeah I've never had anyone be mean to me in real life it's not weird right those like your perceptions are based on anonymous people that reach out to you to be shitty in fact this happened to me um a few months ago, I was in West Hollywood filming a video on the street and this person came up to me and was like, I'm such a huge fan.

[1844] I can take a picture.

[1845] Took a picture.

[1846] Edited the video.

[1847] They made the video.

[1848] And then I saw them posting, I'm in Blair's video.

[1849] And I looked at their profile.

[1850] And in their history, they have all these hateable tweets about me. I'm like, so even if you hate someone, it's like, you're still kind of their fan if you're paying attention to them.

[1851] Because people I hate, I don't watch their shit.

[1852] I don't want to see it.

[1853] But it's also the idea of hating someone versus meeting them and realizing that it's just a person yeah and not really hating them just meeting them and knowing oh it's just just another human being like the idea of hating someone you don't know is really kind of crazy unless yeah you're hating hitler yeah unless they've done you're hating killed yeah yeah exactly you're hating some barbarian some horrible person who's responsible for death or destruction or whatever like you know if you just hate someone based on something that you think you can contribute to them like to you the hate her because she's against kids transitioning it's so easy to say you hate someone so easy to just like lash out online yeah that's a one of the major problems with our culture is that so many people don't know how to think and so many people are when i mean don't know how to think like they don't recognize that a lot of times they're being negative it's just to distract themselves from their own real problems and it's often projection.

[1854] Yes.

[1855] That's why like so when Dave Chappelle thing happened and they had these protests one of the trans activists I believe her name was Ashley Marie Preston or something like that.

[1856] That's the one who had all the hateful tweets.

[1857] Yeah.

[1858] So you're up on this little soapbox literally I think they brought a soapbox and talking about being anti -hate and anti -bigotry and then you have just this like huge list of like talking about Asian bitches and this and that and it's like Rich, you are projecting and you are everything that you hate, everything that you hate.

[1859] Well, it's people are hypocrites and they want attention.

[1860] And then, you know, the thing is they think the way to get attention is if you are in a marginalized group and that group has been attacked and you can stand up and say the most forceful, loud thing about this person who is, in your opinion, attack this marginalized group.

[1861] It gives you clout.

[1862] You know, there's a lot of people that just get clout from enhancing negativity and, you know, and just projecting it.

[1863] Yeah.

[1864] And then, so you're friends with Dave Chappelle.

[1865] Yeah.

[1866] So did all the backlash affect him at all, like mentally?

[1867] He's not online in terms of like Dave is not on social media at all.

[1868] He doesn't, he doesn't, I mean, he's for the best.

[1869] Fuck yeah.

[1870] He's, you know, it affects him in that it's not accurate.

[1871] It's not who he really is.

[1872] Like he's not a hateful person by any stretch of the imagination.

[1873] So they're distorting who he is.

[1874] But he gets.

[1875] He gets it.

[1876] And he gets his position in pop culture, in culture in general.

[1877] He's a spokesperson.

[1878] He's not just a comic.

[1879] He's like, you know, every generation has someone who people go to not just for their humor, but also for their perspective on things and a wise perspective.

[1880] That's Dave.

[1881] He's probably the most respected comedian of our era.

[1882] Not just one of the greats of all time, but one of the most respected in terms.

[1883] terms of the way he talks about things he's number one really yeah he's very thoughtful he's very intelligent and you know he's just almost universally respected amongst comedians which is very rare because comedians are some fucking jealous backstabbing selfish bitches i bet yeah there's a lot such a hard industry to rise up and i'm sure it's just so toxic well it's also the ones that suck are the most bitter right and the most shit and that that but But it's, again, the same thing.

[1884] It's like so many of them, they really have mediocre work.

[1885] And they don't like the fact that it's not being recognized and respected, that people don't come out to see them in the clubs.

[1886] They can't see it that way.

[1887] Well, they don't see it because they think they're great because they're narcissists, right?

[1888] And so their perspective is anybody that gets way further than them, first of all, they feel bad.

[1889] when they find out that, you know, Kevin Hart selling out 50 ,000 seats, or that this person is doing that, or, you know, Sebastian sold out Madison Square Garden four nights in a row, and they're just like, and it's unattainable.

[1890] It's not going to happen to you.

[1891] It's literally not going to happen.

[1892] You're 43 years old.

[1893] Your life is shit.

[1894] You know, you could barely sell a Thursday night at the Funny Bone in Cleveland.

[1895] Like, what are you going to do?

[1896] What the fuck are you going to do?

[1897] And that feeling is terrible.

[1898] Does Cleveland even have a Funny Bone?

[1899] Yeah.

[1900] I don't know.

[1901] Yeah.

[1902] Hilarities.

[1903] And then...

[1904] And then...

[1905] No, no, no. My point is, they get angry.

[1906] And so they start coming up with reasons why that person sucks.

[1907] They suck.

[1908] They fucking always suck.

[1909] Transphobic, hateful.

[1910] Transphobic, fucking homophobic, racist, insensitive to xenophobic and Islamophobic.

[1911] But what's really going on is there's a feeling that they get when they see other people succeed that makes them feel terrible.

[1912] So they associate that person with a bad feeling and they hate that person.

[1913] What they really hate is their own lack of success.

[1914] 100%.

[1915] That's a lot of it.

[1916] For comics at least.

[1917] Yeah.

[1918] And I mean, that's a lot of people.

[1919] And then the thing about Chappelle is like, at this point the specials went out long enough.

[1920] I don't feel like we're spoiling anything.

[1921] But the special to me, in large part, was about his trans friend Daphne, who I believe was literally killed by trans activists.

[1922] Yeah.

[1923] There's some dispute about that.

[1924] there's some people that have done it's really interesting I love the internet because of this there's some people that have done a deep dive into like how many tweets were actually directed towards Daphne and like how many of them were really negative the thing they don't take into account though is DEMs and that's the thing it's like we don't know what her DEMs were it's DEMs and also it's it only takes one thing to be said that triggers an unhealthy person or a sad person or someone in the bad place to do something bad so it's impossible to look into her mind and heart in that time and say that it was that however i don't think it helps i think that the feeling of ostracization from your own community to be a trans person who is suddenly like shit now how do i even face any of my probably mostly LGBT friends most LGBT people have that's their friend group um like how do i go to these establishments that are LGBT now how do i maybe do she wanted to be a comedian do a comedy show to LGBT people.

[1925] Those are probably the places that were booking her if she was booking things.

[1926] I think that could really affect someone.

[1927] Yeah.

[1928] Yeah.

[1929] Being ostracized by her community is rough.

[1930] Yeah.

[1931] It's one of the worst feelings.

[1932] And like for me, I just think that people really missed the point of the special, obviously.

[1933] Like they didn't look into it really.

[1934] Just because he was defending his friend through most of it and talking about kind of how.

[1935] they killed her.

[1936] So that's his perspective.

[1937] Maybe it didn't happen.

[1938] But it's tragic.

[1939] It might have happened.

[1940] It's just the deep dive they did was that she was dragged on Twitter and they tried to find examples.

[1941] But the thing about that is, again, people do delete things.

[1942] And then particularly they delete things right after someone fucking kills themselves.

[1943] That's true.

[1944] But there's also like sub -tweets, like whether or not she responded to those tweets.

[1945] She might not them.

[1946] She might just read them.

[1947] But then the other thing is the DMs.

[1948] The DMs are it's like, you don't know.

[1949] You don't know how many DMs.

[1950] she got.

[1951] Yeah and those are the ones where people send the most crazy shit because they're not regulated in the same way that tweets are.

[1952] And it's also you got to realize like when someone's saying something in a bit like he's just trying to get to the point.

[1953] The point was she experienced hate whether she experienced it in person phone calls, DMs or publicly on Twitter.

[1954] I don't know what it was.

[1955] But sometimes it's easier to say dragged on Twitter and then it looked and you're trying to get to a narrative and the narrative is they they made her feel like shit and she killed herself.

[1956] Right.

[1957] And it's not a narrative without precedent towards people who do step away from sort of like the woke mob and ideology because do you remember August Ames?

[1958] She was a porn star who took a stand and said that she didn't want to work with gay men because there was like a risk of HIV or whatever.

[1959] So whether or not that's valid, I think that porn industry probably has great testing.

[1960] I don't know if that was a real fear she should have had.

[1961] But at the same time, because she said that, she was dragged horrifically by like the LGBT community and like she fucking killed herself over that I don't remember that yeah it happened I think like 2014 15 or something like that so I mean it is hard to and obviously I know that just like diverge from from that ideology and you get a lot of hate fucking hate for it yeah that's unfortunate you know because you would think that the people that have experienced the most discrimination would theoretically at least be the most open minded and compassionate to others No, it's the exact opposite.

[1962] The places where I feel the most comfortable rooms I feel the most comfortable in are the rooms people would never expect me to be in and feel comfortable.

[1963] Like, I mean, let's just, if you go, there's a difference between the narrative of a person who they really are.

[1964] So you have been called transphobic, like you said, Alex Jones, transphobic, Tim Poole, Transphobic, Michael Malice, probably not Michael.

[1965] But should I, on paper, we keep going back to On Paper, have felt comfortable in the RV talking?

[1966] to y 'all and like being in that room maybe not if i believed all the things that transactivists said i would have maybe felt like i was in a room full of fucking dudes or gonna beat me up or something that was such a cluster fuck of a podcast i know there's way too many microphones on i know eight people trying to talk over each other and it's like it was iconic though it was funny it was funny yeah it freaked a lot people got mad like oh what are they doing together i know you know what they really hated how many people were watching yeah because it was like his most sweet episode ever It was like, and the funny part is like, you're achieving those types of number.

[1967] I think the episode has like over 2 million views or something.

[1968] And it's like to achieve those numbers and it's like all it was was just like an RV.

[1969] Yeah.

[1970] Just like, hey, come over.

[1971] Well, what he's doing, I always thought about doing, but he did it and he did it perfectly.

[1972] He put together a roving studio.

[1973] Like his studio is awesome.

[1974] I mean, it really is fucking badass.

[1975] He's got an RV that's got.

[1976] microphones and desks and he's got like a control center and there's a big television so they could show videos and clips on it.

[1977] I'm like this is amazing.

[1978] Jamie and I have talked about doing that like a dozen times.

[1979] That'd be awesome.

[1980] Outfitting a dope sprinter van and you know setting it up like that.

[1981] Yeah.

[1982] I would never, I learned for that part and you can't have fucking eight people on a microphone.

[1983] That was just stupid.

[1984] It was funny.

[1985] People were like, why weren't you talking so much?

[1986] I was like, I'm okay with being out testosterone by fucking Alex Jones and Joe Rogan and Temple.

[1987] Like I'm okay with not being the loudest bitch in the room in that room well everybody was just it was just there was so many voices it's too many it doesn't it doesn't work like and i say that when i do podcast to people like if i'm want to talk to someone and it's it's a fun conversation and they want to bring a friend that i know i'm like yeah it'd be fun well the three of us would be a good time but even three people that's even rare for you well it's it's rare and it's also hard because when i'm talking to someone i want to let them talk and then i'm also trying to think of like should I talk should I let it play out I have a question should I enter now and it's like a skill there's a dance that you're doing when two people are talking when there's a third person there you got like three dance partners all in the roots stepping on each other's toes it's more tricky with four people it's super tricky then when you get to double that it's chaos yeah it's just madness yeah it was iconic regardless though and I really like what Tim Poole has been doing lately and of course that shows he's getting more hate than ever like more hit pieces and whatever and it is what it is those people work for him whether they realize it or not all they do is make more people aware of them it's cyclical right it's like and it's something I've been aware of everything that I've done in the past few years is like so I do something and then a bunch of people get mad about it and so they post about it yeah because people want to post about shit they hate more than what they love and it's like okay so let's say there's a tweet bashing me with, I don't know, let's say 10 ,000 likes.

[1988] So maybe those 10 ,000 people are agreeing with that.

[1989] And then, but how many people are viewing it with impressions?

[1990] And then even if it's like a thousand people that are like, actually she seems cool, that's a thousand new people coming my way.

[1991] You do work for me if you're bashing me. The best thing you could ever do to someone you hate online, if you hate me, well, maybe not tell them to do that, but just don't fucking talk about me, bitch.

[1992] People don't understand that's like most of the time you're wasting your time.

[1993] Also, if your business is just to bash a person, like you are, you're connecting yourself as a subservient, you're connecting yourself as inferior to this person, whether you realize it or not.

[1994] If you're constantly criticizing them, they don't even respond about you, you're their bitch.

[1995] I love not responding.

[1996] Yeah.

[1997] I love it.

[1998] Like, every day I'm getting a new wave of DMs like, did you see what such and such said about you?

[1999] And I'm like, nope.

[2000] And I really couldn't give a fuck.

[2001] I really couldn't care.

[2002] Good for you.

[2003] It's a good attitude.

[2004] Yeah, but I had to get there.

[2005] It took me some time, and it took me in the beginning, like, I would read everything.

[2006] Yeah.

[2007] And I would take everything in.

[2008] And I would also start to believe the nice comments, what I also think is toxic.

[2009] And it's only made a video about me. I'm watching every minute of it.

[2010] I'm internalizing.

[2011] I'm figuring out what I did wrong, if I did anything wrong, and a way to retaliate.

[2012] And that used to be me. And now I'm like, I don't give a fuck.

[2013] The people that do that all day and go back and forth and make response videos and attack videos they're all mentally fucked 100 % yeah they're all living in this weird world of emotions and anxiety and like you're the real world is the people that you actually know yeah is like life going out there and go go to dinner somewhere have fun i did i did a doctor phil episode filmed it in august blare tell me what it's life yeah yeah very that tell me about your life his wife was lovely though he's great he's great he's great i love i love I love him.

[2014] He made me cry.

[2015] I'm a really good friends with his son.

[2016] Oh, really?

[2017] Yeah, we're tight.

[2018] That's awesome.

[2019] Yeah, we go on, like, vacations with our families together.

[2020] Cool.

[2021] Yeah.

[2022] He made me cry on stage.

[2023] Aw.

[2024] What did he say?

[2025] The whole episode was about my dad's part of the family, which I just owned me for being trans.

[2026] And so he was trying to, like, reunite shit.

[2027] And he just said some really nice stuff that made me cry.

[2028] He's a sweet guy.

[2029] He is.

[2030] He really is.

[2031] I know him off, like, I did a podcast with him, but I know him off the, of the podcast he's fucking great he's great his wife's great his family's great they're like they're really sweet people yeah genuine sweet not not putting on a show his wife's name is we don't have to say his wife's name blow her spot up she's on the show all the time though oh yeah but regardless his wife is very lovely and I was walking off stage I was still kind of like emotional and she just grabbed my hand and she was like you're gonna be okay I was like oh my god but but what I was saying was I did the Dr. Phil episode and there was like this YouTuber I didn't watch the video but I saw like a thumbnail come up and recommended it was like Blair White's doing the Doctor Phil show and I'm terrified and it was like a fucking hour long video or however long was I remember about how it was so bad probably that Dr. Phil's identity platformed me I'm sure that's what it was and I was like how are you so concerned how are you so concerned?

[2032] They might not even be they might just be using your name to get clicks well 100 % but well then why are you such a fake ass bitch that you're faking that you're concerned because that's all they got exactly there exactly so I've learned to ignore it Learned to ignore it Good for you Yeah Good for you Well listen Blair This was a fun conversation We just talked for three fucking hours Really?

[2033] Yeah I felt like one I know just Flew by I was a little worried about that Because I saw how long All your episodes were I was like I don't think I've done Like a two and a half Or three hour one Now you did Now I did Now you did I appreciate it It was fun I enjoyed it I enjoyed it Tell everybody where they can see you Where they can find you On social media Where they can make a hate video About you Right So you can reach me on YouTube.

[2034] YouTube .com slash Blair White X. There's an e at the end of Blair.

[2035] Don't forget that.

[2036] Twitter, Instagram, just look up my name.

[2037] I don't know.

[2038] You want to send me a carrier pigeon, a smoke signal.

[2039] You'll find me. Just Google me. All right.

[2040] Well, thank you very much.

[2041] I appreciate you.

[2042] Thank you.

[2043] Bye, everybody.

[2044] Bye.