Octavia Spencer

[0] Welcome, welcome, welcome to armchair expert.

[1] I'm Dan Shepard.

[2] I'm joined by Mrs. Mouse.

[3] Hi.

[4] I can't help but notice.

[5] Tell me. Your fancy book is still here.

[6] Are you meaning to keep it here?

[7] No, I'm not meaning to.

[8] In fact, it's going to go right under the television set on that main set up there.

[9] It also can live here.

[10] No, no, no, no. We need a better spot.

[11] It was back here because we had guests.

[12] Oh, I got out of my.

[13] Out of your purview.

[14] No, but this is something that weighs.

[15] on my consciousness.

[16] So right before we record generally, before I come out of the house, I think, ah, fuck, I haven't brought in my foot massager or my book.

[17] And I haven't hung the painting by Wob.

[18] And everyone thinks I don't appreciate their gifts.

[19] This is what I think every time I walk here.

[20] And then I think, I've got to come in here one day when I'm not recording and get my shit.

[21] Sure.

[22] I understand.

[23] This happens to me. I keep stuff in my car for way too long.

[24] I know.

[25] In the Christmas presents I got in the living room, they're sitting in the corner still.

[26] Yeah.

[27] But guess what I'm doing?

[28] What are you doing?

[29] Tomorrow, my record player is getting set up.

[30] It is by who?

[31] Am I coming over to do it?

[32] No, I did ask Rob to do it, but no, because McKenzie is going to do it.

[33] Does McKenzie have any high -fi experience?

[34] No, but she's just going to figure it out.

[35] Okay.

[36] She asked me to send her the brand.

[37] So she could watch some YouTube or stuff?

[38] Yeah, she's very competent.

[39] Okay, great.

[40] It's easy.

[41] It's only tricky parts to wait.

[42] Okay.

[43] I trust her.

[44] Like, I fully expect that record player to stay unopened for like nine months.

[45] Like, I'm impressed that you're going to get it set up.

[46] No, I want to use it.

[47] I know.

[48] That has no bearing on it for me. Like, I want to see that beautiful crow hung up in here.

[49] I want to see that beautiful Formula One book in my home.

[50] Yeah.

[51] I want a foot massage.

[52] Right.

[53] I just don't.

[54] I don't know what I just don't do anything.

[55] I get it.

[56] There's too much to do in this world.

[57] Yeah.

[58] I'm impotent.

[59] I just can't No, you're not You just have a lot going on Okay, thank you And I apologize No, you don't have to apologize I just was wondering If we were keeping it here We should set it up We'd get like a display table Yeah Yeah We could also put a guest book You know it would have been fun If we had a guest book Over the years I guess I hate signing guest books Yeah You know Me too But I wish we had a guest book Of everyone that's come here I do too But it wouldn't be us really To ask people to do that It's not our style Put in the bathroom When they use it Before they leave That would be cool like if you're in there you could sign it if you want it to yeah okay TBD that's not the way you say okay old friend of mine is here today octavia spencer it's been years since we caught up it was so heartwarming and wonderful she's awesome she is this is going to be an easter egg thank them honey new favorite catchphrase might be my 2023 might be thank you honey it's so powerful thank him honey I already fucked it up.

[60] Oh, my God.

[61] This is the thing with catchphrases.

[62] You got to get them right.

[63] Or it's just a catch theme.

[64] That's right.

[65] Yeah, you got to say the same thing over again.

[66] Octavia Spencer is an Academy Award winning actor and producer.

[67] You loved her in The Help, Hidden Figures, Ma, self -made, spirited, and she has a show that she executive produces.

[68] She's fully immersed in.

[69] Truth but told, on Apple Plus, the third.

[70] Third season is out now.

[71] Please check it out.

[72] And please enjoy the sweetest, loveliest, my old friend, Octavia Spencer.

[73] Thank him, honey.

[74] Okay.

[75] Don't say it too much.

[76] Let her say it.

[77] You're right.

[78] Thank you, honey.

[79] What if I say thank you, honey?

[80] I shouldn't call you honey first off.

[81] I think hers is just thank them.

[82] No, it was honey.

[83] No, it was a mix.

[84] Well, you were going to make a shirt that said thank him.

[85] I wanted to make Thank him Honey.

[86] Also, I might launch a honey brand called Thank him Honey.

[87] No, you're not taking her shit.

[88] All right.

[89] Please enjoy Octavia Spencer.

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[93] so delicious what are we eating here chili chicken tiki marsala chicken tiki marcella chicken tiki marcia they say it right monica no but it's okay what is it tica close close you want to make it Hawaiian but it's not just not chicken tiki chicken tiki marcella oh no I was offered and it smells so damn good.

[94] But the reason why I have to do my coffee at home now is because somebody has a lot of inflammation.

[95] And I'm off dairy and it is the hardest breakup.

[96] Yeah.

[97] You know, there's some things you can break up with, but dairy is the longest relationship I've had my entire life.

[98] Yeah, that's not nice.

[99] No. I was vegan for one year and I had assumed it'd be the meat that would be the hardest and it was the cheese.

[100] It's the It's the cheese, honey.

[101] You can do without the meat, but Lord, the cheese.

[102] Oh, the cheese.

[103] It's magical cheese, isn't it?

[104] It really is.

[105] The fact that it can be any consistency, it can be a liquid, it can be a solid, it can be shredded.

[106] Oh, sweet cheeses.

[107] Oh, sweet cheese.

[108] Bit was here for a second.

[109] We waved.

[110] Was that?

[111] Bit was here for a second.

[112] You know, Bitworks for Octavia.

[113] Did you know that?

[114] Oh, my God.

[115] I forgot that.

[116] She is the best person on the planet.

[117] She truly is.

[118] Just calming, stabilizing force.

[119] And I did the meanest thing to her two Christmases ago.

[120] We do this white elephant party.

[121] Do you know how those work?

[122] Yes.

[123] Stealing.

[124] You steal from people.

[125] And she got this like six foot tall teddy bear.

[126] And she wanted it.

[127] And you know, Bit deserves it.

[128] She's a good girl.

[129] She deserves a little cuddle buddy.

[130] But my daughter wants that.

[131] And if it's between Bit and my daughter, Bitt, you're going down, and she did.

[132] You're going down.

[133] And I thought, well, this is the most evil thing I've ever done is stolen from Bitt.

[134] She's so sweet.

[135] It's impossible.

[136] Do you think she might be a killer?

[137] I think she has mommy killer instinct.

[138] And she uses that to protect all the people that she loves.

[139] So in that regard, yes, I would not want to mess with her in a back alley if it involved anybody she loved, especially her kids.

[140] That being said, you don't want her on your team if it doesn't.

[141] She is not going to.

[142] It doesn't involve the kids.

[143] If it doesn't involve the kids or your well -being, like any of our well -being.

[144] But don't you think, I don't know, maybe.

[145] She doesn't like a fight.

[146] No, no, no, which is why I love her.

[147] I wonder if we have any of the shared stuff.

[148] For me, I'm most suspicious of nice people.

[149] Really?

[150] I'm most suspicious of nice people who feel like they need something in return.

[151] And then you're like, why is this person so nice?

[152] Who are they really?

[153] Yeah.

[154] And that's a very blanket of things.

[155] to say.

[156] But I guess what it is, it's probably my own shittingness and then who I grew up around.

[157] I didn't see all that many altruistic, just benevolent people.

[158] When I meet them, I'm like, is there a catch?

[159] I just am suspicious there's a catch.

[160] That's good, though.

[161] That's good to be suspicious.

[162] But I feel confident in life now because of all the people that I have around me. And nice is such a basic word.

[163] Because we can be nice, but you may not be kind.

[164] Exactly.

[165] I say this all the time there's a huge difference.

[166] Monica has this tattoo on her ankle.

[167] I do, essentially.

[168] I'm from the South.

[169] I'm from Georgia and there's a lot of nice people.

[170] There's a lot of nice.

[171] Yeah.

[172] Kindness pervades every pore of your being.

[173] Nice does not.

[174] Yes.

[175] Because you can be nice circumstantially, but you can be kind, unilateral.

[176] Yeah.

[177] Nice can be a performance.

[178] Kind can't really.

[179] If it's not in you is not in you.

[180] Yeah.

[181] See, and bid is kind.

[182] She's kind and nice.

[183] And nice.

[184] And that bitch has got to give me that teddy bear if my daughter wants it.

[185] She also, if you had said, Delta really wants that teddy bear, she would have it.

[186] I would have not even required me to use my steel.

[187] Yeah.

[188] Oh, I love that.

[189] So, Octavia, I started getting this like hint of insecurity.

[190] Just an hour ago I was reading and writing about you.

[191] And I thought, is there a chance?

[192] She doesn't remember that we were in a comedy group together.

[193] Like, is that possible?

[194] That is so impossible.

[195] Oh, good, good, good, good, good.

[196] I was so, I'm like, these people are really funny, and they think so quickly on their feet.

[197] I'm not here yet.

[198] I mean, that was a prolific group.

[199] Well, it turned out to be pound for pound, a kind of a crazy group.

[200] Because we were a shitty group.

[201] We were renting theaters.

[202] No one would come.

[203] We weren't successful.

[204] It's not like we were in an institution, but, yeah.

[205] But that's what I'm trying to tell you.

[206] It was like, I'm like, look at this talent.

[207] Damn.

[208] Yeah.

[209] What do you think that was, 97 -ish?

[210] It was right when I first moved to L .A. You had only done time to kill me. Uh -huh.

[211] Which, innocent, innocent, we won, we won.

[212] Which were my lines in a time to kill.

[213] You know, you can't really say I'd done a time to kill.

[214] But for my perspective, I didn't have an agent.

[215] I didn't understand how one got an agent.

[216] The fact that you've been in a movie and that movie in particular, I was like, oh, God, I need to figure out what this gal's doing.

[217] Like, what are they doing?

[218] And Tate also had been...

[219] Tate, yeah.

[220] I just think about that group.

[221] Oh.

[222] I literally smile.

[223] I mean, it was like on a tarmac.

[224] You just watch the planes take off and everybody just hit flight.

[225] Yeah, if I recall, because there was a couple different iterations of groups doing shows.

[226] But as I recall, it was Beth.

[227] You, Tate, Brian, Ben Felcom, Brian's roommate, Brian.

[228] Yes, yes.

[229] Moodhamu, Macon, Illinois.

[230] Nat Faxon.

[231] And, of course, the Queen B, Melissa McCarthy.

[232] And so I tell this story so many times.

[233] I bet in 500 episodes I've told this story 20 times.

[234] There was no moment in this whole journey for me than watching the Academy Awards where you and Melissa were nominated against each other.

[235] And Nat was nominated for a screenwriting Oscar.

[236] I was like, dreams can't come true.

[237] I'm not even kidding, though.

[238] We were backstage and Nat Faxon and Jim Rash were behind me. They had just won for the descendants and I had just won for the help and I was sitting there like, they love us in, can you believe it?

[239] They're going to come and show us the door here in a second.

[240] That was one of the most beautiful things about that whole time is that I got to experience it with people that I love.

[241] Like, genuinely.

[242] Yeah, so you came up with.

[243] Generally, it's like those 80s high school dramas where to get cool, you've got to ditch all your friends.

[244] You know, like, the fact that you looked around and it was all your friends from the get is almost impossible.

[245] And then Tate was there, of course, to celebrate the help.

[246] Oh, my God, what a time.

[247] Yeah, like, look at everybody.

[248] Everybody is still, you know, thriving, big time.

[249] I love that.

[250] I love that about the group.

[251] See, that's a kind group.

[252] Yeah.

[253] A good group where everybody works on everybody's stuff.

[254] It really is wonderful.

[255] So I can't even remember any of the sketches or anything, but what I remember is, and I think I exposed Melissa, when she was on for this quality.

[256] She's a taskmaster.

[257] She's a bad motherfucker.

[258] She's running the show.

[259] You got to be here at this time.

[260] She didn't get there by accident.

[261] And also, you were very, very competent.

[262] Like, you were on it.

[263] It wasn't like derelict comedians.

[264] Folks were on it.

[265] Folks were hungry.

[266] They needed to get this show done.

[267] There was two showings.

[268] No one was there for the second.

[269] You know, I just remember kind of the work ethic.

[270] And then you're just a beautiful, warm human being to be around.

[271] And I just, it was such an indelible experience to have done those shows with you.

[272] First of all, thank you for all that you said.

[273] What I noticed is the sheer amount of talent in the room.

[274] I'm like, I'm not to this level.

[275] These guys, ooh, they are amazing.

[276] The writing, everything.

[277] And I knew then that I was out of my depth.

[278] Well, but really quick, if I can defend you.

[279] We were on year three of learning to write and perform comedy at the groundings.

[280] That's not your background.

[281] You came by way of Melissa?

[282] By way of Melissa, I was watching you guys.

[283] I was a fan, and it was like, this is the best.

[284] And then you're like, oh, I got to do scenes, and I'm not good with the sketches.

[285] Oh, come on.

[286] It made me, though, I'm not kidding, it made me take classes at the groundlings.

[287] How did you know Melissa?

[288] Tate would talk about her, he would talk about all of you guys, you know, like, these are the most amazing people.

[289] They're so fun.

[290] They're so funny.

[291] And that's how I met, Ben and Melissa.

[292] I go back in time.

[293] I remember going to Tate's to write sketches.

[294] Didn't know them.

[295] They're like blind dates.

[296] You know, it's like, here's the members of the group.

[297] I'm meeting you and Tate for the first time.

[298] I knew everyone else.

[299] Go to Tate's house.

[300] Monica, there was not a better looking 20 -something -year -old man in Los Angeles.

[301] I mean, he's like, fucking rugged yet beautiful.

[302] And then I'm meeting.

[303] He's openly doing comedy.

[304] That's so rare.

[305] No, he had no business in comedy.

[306] I go into his apartment and he's like, you want some brisket?

[307] I was just smoking.

[308] I'm like, what?

[309] He's like a 25 -year -old guy.

[310] He's got a smoker on his fucking patio.

[311] He's on his, like, ninth brisket he smoked that day.

[312] Within five minutes, I learned he went to the ATF training school, alcohol, tobacco firearms.

[313] Oh, my God.

[314] To get registered to be able to shoot the large pyrotechnic fireworks you see at the city displays.

[315] Wow.

[316] So that he can throw this party that he throws every year on the 4th down south.

[317] Yeah.

[318] And I'm like, what a mysterious man. He'd already lived in New York.

[319] Had a great fall down a staircase.

[320] Yeah.

[321] Like literally was in a coma Oh my God He had lived many lives He was arrestingly gorgeous Don't you think it was a little distracting Well not to my eyes Oh okay Okay so you knew I didn't know Tate was gay I didn't know at that time Oh you didn't either Oh I thought maybe because you guys are so close And also how did you know him?

[322] I knew him because we worked together on a time to kill Oh wow And all circles back When I found out that he was moving to L .A., I was like, well, he can't move to L .A., and I'm not moving to L .A. So it's like, I need to get a house -sitting gig.

[323] He's got a house -sitting gig.

[324] So it was this crazy, weird, fun competition.

[325] Because it shot down in Alabama or Mississippi?

[326] Mississippi.

[327] It shot all over in Mississippi.

[328] He's from Mississippi.

[329] Okay, and you're from Alabama.

[330] I'm from Alabama.

[331] It shot in Jackson and Canton.

[332] How did you even get to that point?

[333] So, of course, I know you go to Auburn, your English major, journalism, minor, acting minor.

[334] What ends you?

[335] up on the Time to Kill set?

[336] So before I went to Auburn, there was a movie that came to Montgomery starring Sissy Spacic and Whoopi Goldberg called The Long Walk Home, and the location casting director and extras casting director, we go all over the South and do films.

[337] And a Time to Kill was happening right as I was getting done with Auburn.

[338] Because you had like a local agent?

[339] Just from her, from that casting director.

[340] Oh, okay.

[341] And I was like, of course I want to do it.

[342] I got down there and I was actually about to quit.

[343] It was just so miserable, kind of far away from the action.

[344] Because you were a lot of background.

[345] Yeah, because our office was so far away.

[346] They had us at like a local gym in the town.

[347] You didn't see anything.

[348] You know, you want to be in the production office.

[349] Yeah.

[350] Not your own office.

[351] Oh, I'm sorry.

[352] I got confused.

[353] Yes.

[354] You were there working with the casting department.

[355] But it was the extras.

[356] I was in the extras.

[357] Okay.

[358] And way off campus.

[359] Way, way, way, way.

[360] You heard they were making a movie.

[361] movie in town, but you never saw it.

[362] And I'm like, I'm on the movie, but I don't see it in the movie people.

[363] Who's even in it?

[364] I can tell you these 300 extras.

[365] It was so funny.

[366] But you asked Schumacher if you could...

[367] I did.

[368] I had been working for this casting director, and everybody that I would meet would want me to read.

[369] You know, they would have the waitress who has a line or the bank teller who had a line.

[370] And this was before I knew that I was a type.

[371] There was a woman who caused the right.

[372] between the KKK and the people who wanted to free Sam Jackson's character.

[373] And I said, I want to be the woman who causes the riot.

[374] Yeah, of course.

[375] And Joel was like, no, your face is too sweet.

[376] You can read for Sandy's nurse.

[377] But prior to that, I had been on five sets.

[378] The directors would always say, I'd love somebody with a personality like Octavia, because you know I'm a little animated in life and art. And I was like, oh, no, no, no, no, no. I'm here behind the scenes.

[379] And then when Joel did not ask me to read, I was kind of offended.

[380] Okay.

[381] So you kind of turned it down a few times.

[382] And this was the one time that nobody asked.

[383] I thought, okay, I kind of want to be in this one.

[384] And it changed the course of my life.

[385] Was it hard for you to ask?

[386] It was easy for me to ask.

[387] But here's the thing.

[388] Had I not been asked before, I never would have asked.

[389] I never would have had that kind of, you know, well, people love me and turn them down.

[390] Why don't you love me?

[391] I never would have had the confidence to ask.

[392] Right.

[393] Wait, why did you turn other ones down?

[394] I just felt like it would draw attention to me in a way that I wasn't ready for.

[395] I didn't know if I could actually do it.

[396] If I'm being honest now, back then I thought it was like, oh, I'm being professional.

[397] And what if I did read and they said, no, we don't want you?

[398] How would it affect my job?

[399] I just didn't know.

[400] Oh, right, right.

[401] And then what would it entail if I did get it?

[402] There was just so much unknown.

[403] In that moment, were you kind of having fantasies of being a casting director or No. Still just wanted to be an actor.

[404] I wanted to be a producer, but I didn't know what it was called.

[405] I didn't know what they did.

[406] So I wanted to work my way through the ranks and figure it out.

[407] And then I realized, what am I doing?

[408] This is hard.

[409] I mean, you put movies together.

[410] And so here's the beautiful thing that allowed me to know that I was on the right path.

[411] I got to know Sandy Bullock, got to know Sam Jackson.

[412] You know, because when you're working behind the scenes, you chat with people.

[413] And when I got the part, I worked the very last day of shooting.

[414] And they gave me like a triple -banger trailer and the whole crew was in on it.

[415] It was just kind of, it was wonderful.

[416] So that when I moved out here, Sandy was directing a short.

[417] And I knew that I was going to work behind the scenes with her extras and everything.

[418] And she had an actress fallout.

[419] And she's like, Octavia, you can do the role.

[420] So I was like, oh, okay.

[421] So now I have a little more confidence.

[422] But wait, wait, it gets better.

[423] I work on that project with her.

[424] The DP of the project was working on a Disney movie, and he said, Octavia, you should read for this role in this Disney movie.

[425] So I went from asking and receiving the part, being celebrated in the part by my crew and my wonderful cast, still have a relationship with Sam, still have a relationship with Sandy.

[426] And then from Sandy, I got my tape.

[427] She cut a scene that Matthew and I were in, and then I had a time to kill.

[428] When I read for that part in the Disney movie, the DP was actually best friends with the casting director.

[429] The casting director was like, I know a person that can do her deal for her.

[430] And I thought I didn't get the part.

[431] But months later, they're like, oh, yeah, you got the part.

[432] And this person's going to be your agent.

[433] It felt very divinely ordered.

[434] Yeah.

[435] Because I don't know how to get an agent.

[436] It took me six years?

[437] It's a tough, tough thing.

[438] Oh, it's brutal.

[439] When you just arrive, you're like, okay, what's next?

[440] Exactly.

[441] And the mailouts, oh, my God, I'm laughing.

[442] to this day, I thought, well, I don't need headshots.

[443] There was like this crazy picture, and I thought I looked good in it.

[444] It was ridiculous.

[445] I wish I could find in a box somewhere the pictures that I tried to mail out.

[446] Yes.

[447] Octavia, I'd see one of my, like, peak moments of embarrassment and self -reflection is that even when I was in the Sunday company, I was like, this is a racket, this fucking headshot thing.

[448] I've got a timer on my camera.

[449] I'm going to go pop up.

[450] off a beautiful photo of myself.

[451] Caitlin Olson used to make fun of me hourly about it.

[452] You look at that wall.

[453] Everyone's got a beautiful headshot.

[454] I'm in front of a cinder block wall that I found outside, direct light, big shadow behind my head.

[455] And that's my head shot.

[456] I mean, what a knucklehead?

[457] No wonder I couldn't get a fucking agent.

[458] It's crazy because you just think, it's just a picture.

[459] You're funny.

[460] I'm always too on high alert for a scam.

[461] I'm like, you paid this dude, what?

[462] And then you found out they own the film.

[463] And then you got to call them and order one every time you want one.

[464] Give me that film.

[465] Exactly.

[466] I did it once.

[467] I'm like, this is a racket.

[468] Well, then I started befriending people who could actually take pictures.

[469] So I never had to pay for one.

[470] I never gave up my day job.

[471] I would work in people's casting offices and people's commercial agency offices and, you know, just trading hours.

[472] There were photographers that were connected to those places.

[473] Because when I tell you that my hair, like my hair right now, looks quaffed compared to what it wasn't in that picture.

[474] I'm thinking, oh, my God, I said those pictures.

[475] out.

[476] And I was so green on a time to kill.

[477] I remember looking at the agent list of all the actors, and they all were represented by Ka.

[478] And I said, one day, I said, I think I'm going to have to look into that Ka.

[479] C -A -A -A -A.

[480] They seem kind of dominant.

[481] Ca -ca.

[482] They must be kind of good.

[483] Also, a weird way to spell Ka.

[484] I would have to be with a K or something.

[485] It's never even dawned on me. Yeah, I think of them, yeah, I'm going to, Ka is going to have to be my agent.

[486] So what capacity was Tate working on a time to kill?

[487] Tate was the production office, PA, and I was the extras casting PA.

[488] I literally was like, I used to have fun on sets.

[489] This isn't even fun.

[490] It was our three -week prep, getting all the, because it was a period film.

[491] Everybody had to come and get costumed and everything.

[492] So we weren't in the brain center, you know, that's the production office, where you meet all the personalities.

[493] Actors, crew people, I was about to let my boss know that I was going to quit, and they were starting to shoot on Monday.

[494] This was Friday, and I was going to give her a two -week notice, and in -walks Tate to give us our call sheet.

[495] Okay.

[496] And he was gorgeous.

[497] Oh, yeah.

[498] And funny.

[499] I'm like, where have you been?

[500] And he was like, oh, well, you're hanging with the wrong people.

[501] And then we started hanging out.

[502] He had a pig roast in about two minutes.

[503] Well, the other thing, you built a home.

[504] Like, he really is one of those tactile people.

[505] Oh, he's so competent with his hands.

[506] He could build shit.

[507] And he built a home, and he's like, you got to come on the lake, and I got to show you around.

[508] He had a group of us, PAs and people hanging out at the house that he built.

[509] It was so much fun.

[510] And then I thought, well, this is one.

[511] And how old were you all, like 23?

[512] 22, 23.

[513] Yeah, right after college would have been.

[514] Yeah.

[515] Also, are you with CAA?

[516] I am.

[517] Look at that.

[518] I love that.

[519] It was a long way to get there.

[520] You got to call.

[521] But I got there and I started laughing.

[522] I was like, oh, my God, I'm at Ka.

[523] Yeah.

[524] I love that.

[525] I mean, that is willing.

[526] It really was.

[527] Fine.

[528] It's kind of funny.

[529] Two things are insane, really.

[530] Talk about the course your life takes and how unpredictable it is like, A, there's a nice rash of films being made in the South during that period.

[531] Yes.

[532] That's really hit or miss. There's periods where there are and there's periods around.

[533] And the fact that you'd already been on five is kind of crazy.

[534] And then the fact that Time to Kill was there as well.

[535] I worked with McCauley Culkin.

[536] There was a movie called Richie Ridge.

[537] I love Richie Ridge.

[538] And they filmed at the Biltmore Mansion.

[539] And I was behind the scenes in North Carolina.

[540] and I was on the extras team.

[541] A few of the kids that were in the group, they were the actors, and then we had their doubles.

[542] So we were in charge of their doubles, and they all became friends with their doubles, you know?

[543] And it was like, oh, okay, I got to wrangle these kids.

[544] So I knew a lot of the child actors, Brad Renfro and Rachel Lee Cook.

[545] What was the name of that movie?

[546] Tom and Huck with Jonathan Taylor Thomas.

[547] And I loved every aspect of working with extras because they were like me. they had no idea at first how films were made.

[548] So they were excited to be there.

[549] And then they're like, all we're doing is the same thing over and over again.

[550] So what I would do, because all of them wanted pictures with actors, which you couldn't do.

[551] So I figured out a way to make the job fun for them.

[552] I would get these certificates.

[553] I don't know how I was able to do it, but I would get all the actors to sign them.

[554] And then in extras holding, we would have talent contests.

[555] The big 10 people who won would walk away with the certificate.

[556] Oh, that's a love way.

[557] It was fun.

[558] Okay, back to Sam Jackson.

[559] Mm -hmm.

[560] I have, like, three major misfires in my life.

[561] He being one of them.

[562] Oh, oh.

[563] Oh, boy.

[564] What happened?

[565] I don't really blame myself.

[566] I might just caught him on a...

[567] It was, I think, my first movie without a paddle.

[568] And then I get home from this movie and they say, okay, you're going to go to this thing called Show West.

[569] Have you ever been to one of these?

[570] Oh, I have.

[571] I don't even know if they do these anymore.

[572] There's no context for Show West.

[573] No. First time I'm hearing about it.

[574] So they go, okay, you're going to fly to Las Vegas.

[575] This show is for exhibit.

[576] and all the studios put on these big panels and in these huge auditoriums and then they try to get the exhibitors to get interested in the upcoming slate.

[577] So you're going to go there and be on a panel, which was so thrilling.

[578] Again, my first movie, and they send you on a private plane to Los Ritis, and on the private plane was Samuel Jackson.

[579] I'm just a huge fan of his, and I had read that he was sober, and I was newly sober.

[580] So I went up to him, and I was just so excited, and I was like, listen, I just wanted to say, you're one of the people that I look at you and I think, God, well that guy's as cool as it gets and that's sober there's no problem like I really earnest like you're kind of a north star of like being cool and sober you can still be cool and he's just like oh yeah he's like I'm not sober what are you talking about this fucking nerd let's make sure that nerds at the back of the plane my god my imagination as I was approaching him after I deliver this news to him like we're going to be chatting on the plane I don't even know if he's in A, A, but he's going to be my sponsor.

[581] I'll tell you that.

[582] Oh, my God.

[583] You know what?

[584] You don't know him, but that was his way of going, hold up, man, what?

[585] You know, and then the next thing, he turned it on, and it's a sense of humor.

[586] I didn't get the second gear.

[587] Yeah.

[588] You didn't stick around for him.

[589] I think he ran before he allowed Sam to.

[590] You know, I'm now 48.

[591] He was probably 48 at the time, I'm guessing, something like that.

[592] And this 29 -year -old kids comes with me. He's way too excited.

[593] And I just don't want to go to show West.

[594] I'm trying to get there.

[595] I'd probably be nice.

[596] Who knows?

[597] And you're like, can you believe we're going to show West?

[598] And what are they show at?

[599] Show West.

[600] What are we going to see?

[601] Show West is different, though.

[602] It's so different.

[603] Do they still have it?

[604] It was a couple of years ago that I was there for something.

[605] It's so interesting because there's no context for it when they're saying, you're going to go to this thing.

[606] Well, what do we do when we go out there?

[607] When we arrive.

[608] What do we do?

[609] Because you say Vegas to me, and I'm like, I'm on the penny slots.

[610] I'm on the damn penny slots.

[611] We went for the help the first time.

[612] You just walk out on the stage, and it's like a bunch of people, and it's all dark, and we hadn't really done any press.

[613] So you feel very new, and people are like, here they are!

[614] We're out there for maybe 45 seconds.

[615] Did they then put you on the tables on a stage with all the other actors?

[616] No. We were presented...

[617] Like a new car.

[618] Here's a new Buick...

[619] Let me take that back.

[620] We were out there longer, but because nobody knew me or anything, there were no questions directed at me. And it was like, oh, we're done.

[621] So we might have been out there for maybe two minutes or so.

[622] It was pretty funny.

[623] Now I'm swirling about this experience.

[624] It was incredible because on the stage for us, they put us all on stage with everything Paramount was releasing in 2004.

[625] Oh, my God.

[626] So, again, it's Matthew Lillard, Seth Green, me. No one gives a fuck.

[627] Who are these guys on stage?

[628] but on the same Merrill Street Oh Jim Carrey is like six people down Bert Reynolds has joined us He's in the movie And so Of course they're not gonna ask me a question But you know me They asked Bert a question Bert kind of ran out of steam And I just grabbed that microphone And I started Letting it rip Started letting it rip Got all my good Bert Reynolds material out I did okay I gotta say It was okay The audience was really rough It's all these like Fat Cat, kind of big guys with cigars.

[629] Oh, Tina Faye was out there.

[630] We had mean girls out there.

[631] We had Lindsay Lohan.

[632] That's the Lollapalooza.

[633] That's exciting, yeah.

[634] And you're watching the trailers, and I'm a film fan.

[635] If I'm these exhibitors, I'm like, I'll take all of them.

[636] Like, they all look great.

[637] And me too.

[638] Now, this is the most amazing part.

[639] The audience was really asleep.

[640] And Jim Carrey starts being Jim Carrey.

[641] And they're kind of not really clicking into gear.

[642] And he's going and going and going.

[643] and then all of a sudden he gets out of his chair and he stands on the table and he's got the microphone and he's like, you will laugh at me!

[644] You will laugh at me!

[645] And he starts going berserk.

[646] And all of a sudden, these 2 ,000 fat cats choke on their cigars, they start dying laughing and I was like, well, that's a fucking force of nature.

[647] Like these 2 ,000 people were in a power struggle with him.

[648] And he's like, no, motherfuckers.

[649] I am way more powerful than all of you.

[650] It was incredible.

[651] I got on that plane trying to talk to Sam Jackson.

[652] Got deflated a little bit.

[653] If he was in that line, then you grabbed the mic.

[654] He's like, oh, this guy.

[655] Oh, there's a sober guy.

[656] It's been sober three weeks.

[657] He wants to hang out with me. I relapsed on that publicity tour.

[658] Oh, I cannot.

[659] Oh, my God.

[660] Well, you didn't have him as a sponsor.

[661] That's why.

[662] He could have saved me one last go, right?

[663] You know what?

[664] I had to learn.

[665] Talk about relapsing.

[666] For me, it was the chips.

[667] You go into a hotel room and they're like, you're the chips.

[668] And I finally had to say, look, guys, make sure I have no chips.

[669] We went places all over the world, which I'd never done.

[670] And I was like, what kind of chips is exciting.

[671] So I'm like, you got to clear out that bar.

[672] I don't want to see chips.

[673] I don't want to see cookies.

[674] I don't see.

[675] If I see anything, because it's always the giant king -sized snickers.

[676] You got to clean that out.

[677] That was my first experience traveling like a rich person.

[678] Me too, because it was me, Viola, and Emma, and we went around the world to different.

[679] You did.

[680] The whole world tour.

[681] We were on the plane that they used to take Johnny Depp and his team for Pirates of the Caribbean.

[682] Oh, my.

[683] I know that we all have pictures, and they do this thing where they roll the red carpet down.

[684] When we got off that plane, they had all these Mercedes parked at this angle.

[685] And I'm like, well, who are they picking up?

[686] Yeah, the queen?

[687] Yeah, I said, wow, this is bananas.

[688] They have to really make sure that you are treated well because you're not being paid to do all that press.

[689] And they make it very painless.

[690] Oh, yeah.

[691] Very painless.

[692] They spoil you.

[693] You check into the hotel.

[694] You don't put a credit card down.

[695] That's why you buy the snickers.

[696] That's why you eat all the snickers and the chips.

[697] You have to make sure that stuff is out of the room.

[698] Oh, I was eating room service when I was already stuffed.

[699] I'm like, this might be my last time.

[700] I'm like, this is incredible.

[701] It's the best.

[702] Always had a sweet, I couldn't believe it.

[703] And also, Matthew Liller was savvy.

[704] He'd already been in a bunch of movies, right?

[705] So they basically said, we want you to do 13 cities in 15 days.

[706] Or maybe they said 10 and we said, okay.

[707] Then they said, we want you to do 13.

[708] And he said, we'll do it if you give us the jet.

[709] I'm like, what is he saying?

[710] Like, they're going to fire us from this movie.

[711] And they fucking gave us the jet.

[712] And we were just zipping around the country.

[713] It's amazing.

[714] It's amazing.

[715] I was smoking cigarettes on the plane because you could back then.

[716] I know, but the irony is now, you'd just be like, no, I don't want to do that.

[717] Nothing worth 13 cities.

[718] And the other thing is, thank God you like your other castmates, right?

[719] Yeah.

[720] Because you're together a lot.

[721] We never had that problem of cast not getting along.

[722] It was like whenever we had junkets, they always knew when it was time to change rooms, because the minute the doors opened, it was like, And the door's closed.

[723] That's nice So it was you, Viola, Emma On the press tour And then when we were in L .A. or New York Bryce would be there Or Tate was always there We had so much fun Yeah, if we had to say One section was the most fun Is that it?

[724] Just as far as like this insane experience We both had Coming from small towns And then being on a project With movie stars And free tips Who didn't see themselves As movie stars You know we were all pinching ourselves and our teams, you know, our makeup and hair.

[725] There were a bunch of us on the plane and we just laughed.

[726] We were doing this thing where we would walk around because I guess when you're extremely famous, you become English.

[727] Darling, darling.

[728] It was really fun.

[729] We've just landed at Titoboro.

[730] Yes, honey, would you please?

[731] My character I called her Lovie.

[732] From Lovie House.

[733] Lovie.

[734] Where's the airplane, Lovie?

[735] Where are all the chips, Lovie?

[736] I need ham, darling.

[737] You see the hams.

[738] They had all this ham.

[739] Ham offerings?

[740] It was a great time.

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[760] I've never met that, Emma, Gale.

[761] Is she so fun?

[762] She seems really fun.

[763] She's very grounded and just kind.

[764] I mean, just, again, kind.

[765] You might get a hint of murder because he's kind, but it's not a nice, it's a real kind, yeah.

[766] And then the other thing is, when you saw Emma, you thought she was 14.

[767] Right.

[768] When I first met her, I'm like, wow, this child is 14.

[769] She's hanging around these old braids.

[770] All of us are old.

[771] She really was so grounded.

[772] That whole group, though.

[773] Biola was already a legend for you, yeah?

[774] Yes, she was.

[775] My thing was, Bert Reynolds, was in that movie.

[776] For me, my first.

[777] I know this isn't your first, but I was trying to really play it cool, but boy, I was at his trailer every fucking day to have lunch.

[778] Like, how do you work your way into the fold of viola?

[779] Well, kind of very similarly.

[780] But there were blocks that I wasn't working.

[781] I got a bunch of books, because this is what I did for extras casting, listen to this foresight.

[782] I thought, we will never get this group together again, these actors, or this experience.

[783] So I would go on days that I wasn't working and get everybody to sign the books, all the department heads, all the actors.

[784] Like a memory book?

[785] Like a copy of the help.

[786] And you had to sign 100 books.

[787] But you would get, look, you got your two.

[788] And look, though, how everybody's career, they were already doing well, like superstar.

[789] So everybody has a book that the whole cast signed.

[790] Oh, I love that you treat these like camp, even for the certificates.

[791] I love being on sets where there is that family element.

[792] Here's a tasty question.

[793] Those experiences, when you're not number one on the call sheet, they have this real innocence in sweetness and earnestness to them.

[794] And it makes it really fun.

[795] You feel very grateful and very lucky.

[796] The experience can be a little dangerous when you transition.

[797] It does.

[798] It's very different for me because the pressures change.

[799] It's very different, especially when I'm on my series, because I am number one and I'm an executive producer.

[800] So I don't get to go up to the set on my days off because the last thing you want to be is on set on your days off.

[801] You're working four or five days a week.

[802] And the responsibility is different.

[803] Even your relationship with the cast members because you're so integral in truth but told.

[804] and maybe everyone's perfect.

[805] But your co -stars are also people now that have to deliver.

[806] Like when you're in the help, you're not really thinking about whether Beolo or Emma's crushing.

[807] Probably.

[808] You're assuming they are.

[809] But you just have a different set of glasses on.

[810] Yeah, you do.

[811] And that is one of the things that I want my crew to always know.

[812] When I'm on set, because, you know, for me, a short day is a complete turnaround 12 -hour day because that means it's really like an 11 -hour, 10 -hour.

[813] day of shooting.

[814] To me, the best way to have that familial feeling is to show up, be prepared, make sure that the day is moving.

[815] And then reward your crew.

[816] Make sure you have a treat truck for them every week.

[817] And make sure you run the bucket.

[818] You're in the raffle bucket every week.

[819] How much you're putting in there?

[820] Tell people about the bucket.

[821] So five other Fridays, generally on a film crew or television crew, on Fridays, everyone in the crew drops five bucks in this five gallon bucket with their name on it or a department name on it.

[822] And then someone's appointed to pull it at the end of the day.

[823] But then folks up at the top, we should pop a little more than $5 in there.

[824] What's the craziest you've ever gone?

[825] Well, and it's only on my TV show set, because your crew is there with you.

[826] They're your family.

[827] They're your family.

[828] So we raise like $30 ,000, $40 ,000.

[829] Yeah, girl.

[830] And we make sure like the last day, because by that time, you're on your six day weeks.

[831] You're being dragged across the finish.

[832] Divorce is a divorce.

[833] happened.

[834] Yeah, you know, I was like, I'm looking at the hysterical cries and laughter like within 30 seconds.

[835] Everybody's exhausted.

[836] Yeah.

[837] So we do that, the big, big, big, big, big buckets.

[838] Yeah.

[839] Where do you shoot it?

[840] We shoot it on the Paramount lot.

[841] Oh, you do?

[842] Right down the road.

[843] I was watching it last night and it's set in the Bay Area, right?

[844] And it's very convincing.

[845] They do a wonderful job.

[846] But you guys shot on Paramount, right?

[847] I've never shot at Paramount.

[848] Wait, where did you shoot?

[849] Universal.

[850] Universal.

[851] For parenthood, parenthood, parent mount.

[852] Oh, got it.

[853] Got it.

[854] But that was also Bay Area -ish, right?

[855] It was, yeah, supposed to be like Marin County.

[856] Okay, I think what happens is you go from a child to the parent.

[857] It's squirly on your shoulders.

[858] If you are the number one, if you're not prepared, if you're not ready.

[859] So when you're number one, your weekends are you're learning lines.

[860] Yeah.

[861] You know, your life changes.

[862] For me, it definitely, definitely changed.

[863] How many months a year?

[864] Does that take up?

[865] We kind of figured it out this last season where we did blocks to two.

[866] Shooting two at once.

[867] That's the biggest hack of television.

[868] It's delicious.

[869] We did most of parenthood that way.

[870] And it just made your life so much.

[871] You could plan your life because now your schedules for three weeks instead of eight, ten days.

[872] Exactly.

[873] And that's the thing, the quality of life, plan your life.

[874] You know that you're going to have time to, if you're a parent, go to some function.

[875] You can commit to some stuff.

[876] You can commit.

[877] If you're not, it's family time.

[878] It's downtime.

[879] It's scheduling your doctor's appointments.

[880] Yeah.

[881] Because when you're on set, when you're number one, it's a lot.

[882] So it was like four months this last time.

[883] But prior, it would be five months.

[884] The schedule was so pristine.

[885] And not only are they accounting for my schedule, they're accounting for Gabrielle.

[886] You know, the best season.

[887] Just hand her, by the way.

[888] She's the best.

[889] Love her.

[890] What a bad motherfucker.

[891] Listen, we have the same work ethic.

[892] Let's come in, let's get the job done, let's get out.

[893] Yeah.

[894] And show up, prepared, do your work, contribute artistically, but also it's a business.

[895] There needs to be a code for this, right?

[896] Because my wife's the same way, I'm the same way, which is I'll work my ass off.

[897] I'm going to show up so that take one's good.

[898] Take two is probably the one you're going to use.

[899] And take three is fine, two.

[900] That's all we need.

[901] Yeah.

[902] If you're here to explore and experiment, that's great.

[903] I don't want to do that.

[904] And if I didn't show up prepared, you needed to take me 10 takes.

[905] But there needs to be code in this business.

[906] You check a box.

[907] Like, this is how I want to work.

[908] I want to show up.

[909] and blasts it one, two, and three, and then move.

[910] And I want to shoot with a few cameras and then move.

[911] Because the stuff's great for people that work like that.

[912] Well, you know who works like that?

[913] It's Billberg.

[914] You know who works like that?

[915] Clint Eastwood, you know, when you hear about their sets.

[916] Soderberg, yeah.

[917] It's because they know when they see it that they got it.

[918] That's the thing.

[919] They know what they want, so when they see it, they can move on.

[920] A lot of directors, especially in TV, you get a lot of guest directors.

[921] And some of them are newer.

[922] And I get it.

[923] They're trying to make a mark and all that.

[924] but they're waiting to find out of some miracle happens in front of me. And let me just tell you who doesn't do that.

[925] Mama doesn't do that.

[926] You're in prison.

[927] She get on a show together.

[928] She's actually more of a first AD than she is an actor at this point.

[929] That's me. That's me. It's like, oh, how long is our setup?

[930] I don't leave set.

[931] I go to the bathroom and I sit in my little room with my team.

[932] And then I'm checking that clock.

[933] How long is it's going to be?

[934] My crew depends on that.

[935] My other producers.

[936] Oh, they thank you for it.

[937] They're so grateful for it.

[938] It's like, no, we don't want to like, And that's why you want directors, you want them running those cameras so that they're getting that wide shot, they're getting that little extra something that they're trying to find the start, get the josh.

[939] Yeah.

[940] But I'm like, honey, what's going on here?

[941] It takes people like you and me to make sure that people who are putting $125 million budgets together, they stay on track.

[942] Also, if you and I are on stuff for 11, other people are there for 13.

[943] Yeah, exactly.

[944] The people who have to do the glams, they literally.

[945] are there an hour before us.

[946] Hair and makeup, I don't care if it's a period piece, we've gotten it down to a science.

[947] It takes me 30 minutes.

[948] There we go.

[949] You don't get that time back.

[950] There's some people who want to be in the chair and want facials.

[951] Yeah, they want to feel, though.

[952] And they want you to blow the hair off.

[953] Yeah, like, I'm like, uh -uh, honey, I can do all that at home.

[954] You and Kristen have to do something together.

[955] I want to.

[956] I can't tell you how many times I've heard her yell in the middle of the scene.

[957] Why aren't we block shooting this?

[958] Like, it's occurred to her.

[959] We could be picking up scenes five and 13 right now.

[960] I appreciate all of those moms.

[961] mom and pop times as an actor, but when you graduate, you have to take on that responsibility.

[962] Okay, but do we long?

[963] Because I also want for you to recapture it.

[964] I want you to go sign up in something that you're number four.

[965] Oh, that's what just happened for me on Spirited.

[966] Ryan and Will, honey, they carried the way.

[967] I would show up and eat the craft services.

[968] You're getting everyone to sign books again.

[969] I would show up and eat the crap services.

[970] You don't care if they lose a day.

[971] You don't care if they go over.

[972] But here's a thing.

[973] They are taskmasters, too.

[974] And the other thing, Ryan was driving home on Friday nights.

[975] We were filming in Boston and he would drive to New York.

[976] Get out.

[977] Yeah, he was dad.

[978] And when you see that, you know, it's like, no, we have kids.

[979] We have families.

[980] You're like a hot dude magnet.

[981] Because he too, what a female.

[982] I know.

[983] You know, it's hard being me, honey.

[984] I am a hot dude.

[985] He's like a tape tailor himself, isn't it?

[986] He is a tape tailor himself.

[987] Mr. Gorgeous.

[988] And then fucking kind as hell.

[989] Very kind.

[990] Yeah, what a dick.

[991] It's kind, you know.

[992] And then you have Will.

[993] Oh, who's kind.

[994] A unicorn?

[995] You want to know how easy it was to play opposite him and be his love interest.

[996] Because you walk in and he looks at it, you're like, I love him.

[997] Yeah.

[998] I love that guy.

[999] I die for you.

[1000] I'll give you a limb.

[1001] You know, he just, he really is.

[1002] So when you're around that, you soak it up.

[1003] Okay.

[1004] Back to tape.

[1005] Circling back.

[1006] Because I left this hanging and it felt weird for me to just say, like, I didn't know he was gay.

[1007] Oh, yeah.

[1008] I'm in his apartment.

[1009] He's smoking me. He's a pyrotechnic.

[1010] He's an 11.

[1011] I'm like, where are all the girls?

[1012] Right.

[1013] They should be flocking here.

[1014] You know, I'm such a cynical bastard.

[1015] I'm like, where are the girls?

[1016] I know there's a line of them outside this house.

[1017] And there were.

[1018] Yes.

[1019] Yeah, I bet.

[1020] Yeah.

[1021] What is going on?

[1022] He is easy to love, Tate Taylor.

[1023] Oh, so lovable.

[1024] Okay, so that's a really fun story.

[1025] I know a lot of people know, but I do think it's worth telling it.

[1026] So you also knew the author of The Health.

[1027] I met her through Tate.

[1028] I met a lot of people through Tate.

[1029] He really is the connective tissue for a lot of social groups.

[1030] And it's funny because we traveled more when we had no money.

[1031] We had more time than we had money.

[1032] And now when you have more money than time, you know, you don't travel.

[1033] But our little group traveled.

[1034] And we were in New Orleans.

[1035] The first time I met Catherine, I don't know why I decided.

[1036] It was August, I was going to do a diet.

[1037] I'm like, I can't go down there and eat biscuits and jam.

[1038] And New Orleans is a hard spot.

[1039] And we're walking around.

[1040] Tate was showing us the city and it was my first time.

[1041] Is that what they are?

[1042] They're coming up.

[1043] Gimble.

[1044] You hear me?

[1045] That's not the place.

[1046] It's not.

[1047] It was dumb.

[1048] It's like going to the Playboy Mansion to stop cheating on your wife.

[1049] Okay.

[1050] Now's the time.

[1051] Accidents.

[1052] Self control.

[1053] But my life.

[1054] life would have been different had I not.

[1055] Because she was writing the help, jotting down her outline.

[1056] It had to be five, six years into me living in L .A. So maybe 2002.

[1057] You moved to 97?

[1058] I drove across state lines January 1st, 1996.

[1059] Oh, okay.

[1060] We got here at the exact same time.

[1061] I moved to Santa Barbara 95 January 2nd, my birthday.

[1062] One year later, I was moving into Santa Monica 96.

[1063] That's crazy.

[1064] Wow, that is crazy.

[1065] That is meant to be, though.

[1066] To make a long story short, if you've never been to Mississippi or the South in the summer, the heat is oppressive.

[1067] No, it's not tenable.

[1068] It is oppressive.

[1069] They didn't have to fake any of the sweaty scenes.

[1070] Yeah, I bet.

[1071] It was 100, but the humidity made it 110.

[1072] So I'm jumping around.

[1073] I remember all of the women who were the maids, we just would walk to lunch and everything in our slips.

[1074] Remember that time that slipdresses were a thing?

[1075] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1076] But we were in, like, hose and all that.

[1077] And you don't get to see these arms unless you buy me dead.

[1078] You know what I'm saying?

[1079] So I just said, you know what?

[1080] I'm going to be in the slips, too.

[1081] It was too hot not to...

[1082] So we were in our underwear, walking around.

[1083] It was so hot.

[1084] But before that, when I met Catherine, I was so hungry.

[1085] I was just like, where are we going?

[1086] You know?

[1087] I'm tired of all this walking, you know, because it was the heat.

[1088] And she modeled some of those characteristics, Minnie's hatefulness off of me because I was on a diet.

[1089] I was on a diet on that...

[1090] It was that one time we met.

[1091] We hadn't really spent that much time together.

[1092] She got an interesting version of you.

[1093] She got a very interesting version.

[1094] The hangary version.

[1095] That's hilarious.

[1096] They were childhood friends.

[1097] They were kindergarten.

[1098] No kidding.

[1099] Yeah.

[1100] Okay, because in my opinion, this is a story of twofold loyalty and strength of character.

[1101] So she, as I understand the story, I have not seen Tate since we performed 30 years ago.

[1102] But my understanding is she promised him, I'm going to let you write.

[1103] and direct this book she had written, which was at that point a hit.

[1104] Mm -hmm.

[1105] And you had already done the audio book.

[1106] And then Tate's also promising you, you're going to play this.

[1107] All of that's right.

[1108] Brunson Green, who was one of the producers of the help, optioned the book.

[1109] Now, here's the thing, because Kitty had promised Tate that he was going to get to do it.

[1110] So that meant when they were selling the film rights, everybody in town wanted that book.

[1111] Of course.

[1112] And she stayed loyal to her friend.

[1113] See, that's impossible right there.

[1114] And she probably got significantly less money for it because he was attached to it.

[1115] I don't know any of that, but I imagine.

[1116] Do you know the famous Sylvester Stallone story about Rocky?

[1117] No. So Sylvester Stallone wrote the first Rocky and there was a bidding war.

[1118] Everyone wanted the script.

[1119] He said, I'm also going to direct it.

[1120] He turned down, and this is in 1975, he turned down $1 million for the script in order to stay attached.

[1121] attached as a director.

[1122] He'd never directed anything.

[1123] And he got nothing for the script.

[1124] He directs it.

[1125] It's nominated for Best Picture.

[1126] It's my favorite movie.

[1127] Oh, what a fucking.

[1128] Wow.

[1129] So I'm sure she took a hit.

[1130] I bet.

[1131] That's a lot of baggage to take on.

[1132] Because Tate at that point had maybe made some shorts and stuff, but no feature.

[1133] He had done a feature, which is where, this is what's funny.

[1134] It's where we actually got the manuscript.

[1135] Catherine socket had said to me when I met her, and this is the other thing.

[1136] You can't ever blow people.

[1137] off because I was an English major.

[1138] And the last thing I wanted to do is read somebody's terrible book.

[1139] And she said, I wrote a book.

[1140] And it was like, okay.

[1141] When she said, I remember when I met her, I'm an author.

[1142] I write books.

[1143] I was like, okay, good, honey.

[1144] Good.

[1145] Yeah, you keep writing.

[1146] Away from me. And then that was my Sam Jackson.

[1147] When she had finished it, we were filming a movie called Pretty Ugly People and the Glacier National Park.

[1148] And we were freezing and we were sitting out looking all over, trying to stay warm.

[1149] And Catherine said, well, I finished my book.

[1150] And I was like, oh, okay.

[1151] You know, I remember you said you'd read it.

[1152] I was like, damn it.

[1153] You know, because then if it's good or bad, you know, you got to, and you don't want a lot to somebody.

[1154] And so I was supposed to go to a bachelorette party.

[1155] And it was weather like this.

[1156] And I said, I'm going to run into Catherine this weekend.

[1157] I need to at least read this book.

[1158] When I got the manuscript, it was like a phone book.

[1159] Oh, my God.

[1160] And I was like, oh, God.

[1161] Okay.

[1162] So I sat down, and I read chapter one.

[1163] I was like, okay.

[1164] There was a dialect, and I was like, I don't know how I feel about this dialect.

[1165] Let me keep reading.

[1166] And the next thing I know, I just can't put the book down.

[1167] I finished it in one sitting.

[1168] Wow.

[1169] And I mourned those characters.

[1170] And so I thought, well, okay, I'm glad to talk to her about this book.

[1171] Yeah.

[1172] You know, it was fantastic.

[1173] Wow.

[1174] So she stays completely loyal to Tate, which is a testament to Tate.

[1175] you don't learn till later.

[1176] I've learned this from you in an interview today.

[1177] Tate has to battle for you a little bit.

[1178] Mm -hmm.

[1179] And imagine now, you just had Jennifer Hudson win the Oscar.

[1180] You just had Queen Latifah nominated for an Oscar.

[1181] You just had Monique.

[1182] You had all of these box office names that you've got to think the studio was salivating to have one of those names.

[1183] Can you imagine this conversation?

[1184] We're really thinking of Octavius.

[1185] Not only do you have this director, you don't.

[1186] want uh he's bringing all his buddies trying to bring somebody that we don't even know you know what got me the part i auditioned but that book on tape another thing that kind of was happenstance he probably did as a little bit of a favor i did it as a favor yeah because you're dyslexic yeah me too katherine wanted me and i went on her book tour and it was so fun i read aloud but you know what though it was a performance because i got to put it together and put my pages together you had a lot of time with that character.

[1187] I had a lot of time.

[1188] Yeah.

[1189] You had a little like up.

[1190] Yeah.

[1191] Well, you were on a diet.

[1192] You invented her.

[1193] You know?

[1194] Yeah.

[1195] You should have, you were dieted during the whole audition process.

[1196] Oh, my God.

[1197] But here's what I did do.

[1198] I worked behind the scenes and casting, reading with the other actresses.

[1199] Because you're like helping your buddy Tate as well, right?

[1200] Exactly.

[1201] I'm reading behind the scenes.

[1202] And that's where I fell in love with Jessica Justine.

[1203] You know, her movies hadn't come out yet.

[1204] Get out.

[1205] And all of her movies came out right around the same time as a help.

[1206] It was like the first thing you saw.

[1207] Oh, my God.

[1208] The wave of Jessica.

[1209] I'm a disciple of hers.

[1210] After watching the religious one.

[1211] Oh, Eyes of Tammy Faye.

[1212] Whoa.

[1213] Oh, my God.

[1214] I'm like, this person is on another planet.

[1215] Pretty dang special that one.

[1216] Oh, you get chills thinking about it.

[1217] Okay.

[1218] So I need to add for everyone, at this point, you've already done every TV show.

[1219] It's not like you haven't been acting.

[1220] You were on fire.

[1221] You were in a ton of movies.

[1222] You were in a ton of TV.

[1223] You're recurring on mom.

[1224] You're fine.

[1225] You're making a living and you're living the life of an actor.

[1226] But boy, what a fucking 180 this event is.

[1227] It is an event.

[1228] And people say, well, the Academy Award changed your career.

[1229] It did.

[1230] But I had to have a part getting the role first led to that.

[1231] How about the timing?

[1232] So I, as a longtime friend and fan of Melissa McCarthy, similar thing.

[1233] I'm watching her.

[1234] She's doing great.

[1235] She's on TV shows for years, but I'm going, y 'all are missing out.

[1236] She's the aforementioned Jim Carrey.

[1237] She's like a force of nature.

[1238] I've seen this woman control audiences the way I've never seen a human before.

[1239] So I'm kind of like, this is bittersweet that she's working and doing well because everyone's missing out on this.

[1240] What are the fucking odds that both of you in the same year have your moment to show what y 'all got?

[1241] It's insane.

[1242] It was so much fun, though, because.

[1243] We saw each other at every function.

[1244] It felt like old home.

[1245] If you're going to do it and be initiated into this club that, you know, it's hard to be a part of, you want to go through it with family.

[1246] Yeah.

[1247] And we had so much fun because you go to all of the things.

[1248] You want a BAFTA, you want a Golden Globe, you want an Academy Award.

[1249] You want all three of those, right?

[1250] Yes, I did.

[1251] Damn.

[1252] Yeah, that role was undeniable.

[1253] No, you were undeniable.

[1254] That role doesn't necessarily get nominated.

[1255] And that's you.

[1256] Oh, well, thank you.

[1257] I mean, it's a nice combination of it's a great role.

[1258] But, I mean, it's you.

[1259] There's something undeniable about it.

[1260] I am forever grateful, but every single brick was laid in a way that was unique to me because you just don't have that kind of story.

[1261] Yeah.

[1262] And you can't even, this is what's so wild about life and reflection.

[1263] And you and I are getting older.

[1264] Like, we've been here 27 years.

[1265] That's fucking weird.

[1266] It looks like it makes sense in the rearview mirror a bit.

[1267] Mm -hmm.

[1268] But it just doesn't.

[1269] It doesn't.

[1270] I don't want to say people ask me for advice all the time, but occasionally they ask me for advice.

[1271] And basically I got nothing to say.

[1272] But the one thing I'll say is, just do everything.

[1273] Is it the fucking trip to Norlands on a diet that's going to put you on the stage at the like you can't know?

[1274] It's kind of we had this amazing psychiatrist Phil Stutz on the other day.

[1275] And it's like this is a principle of throwing things into the universe.

[1276] And then they just got bouncing back to you, not in the way you wanted, but the action creates more action.

[1277] You're doing a fucking stupid comedy show.

[1278] you're not even in comedy, you know, all these people.

[1279] You know, you just don't know.

[1280] You don't know.

[1281] And the other thing is, going back to that comedy show, to recognize other people's talent and to recognize what other people have to contribute.

[1282] Think about your career on paper.

[1283] It's confusing, right?

[1284] If somebody had told you this was going to lead to this, going to lead to this, going to this, going to lead to this.

[1285] And you're going to end up in radio.

[1286] That's going to be the most fulfilling thing you end up doing.

[1287] I'm like, what?

[1288] No, I ain't trying to be on radio.

[1289] What are you talking about?

[1290] Okay, this is a cynical side of it.

[1291] I shouldn't even say this, but I'm going to say it to you.

[1292] So that Academy Awards was probably the coolest moment watching that one.

[1293] I mean, truly.

[1294] But on the backside of it, I was also like, well, wait, they're normal people.

[1295] Like, I know them.

[1296] They were broke.

[1297] They're opening the door for it.

[1298] Well, I know.

[1299] It did disillusioned it.

[1300] Not in a negative way.

[1301] Just, oh, all those people I watched on that screen that seemed like they were from a different planet and galaxy.

[1302] No, everyone's normal, I guess.

[1303] That's what I love about it, though, because it means that it's attainable for everybody, you know?

[1304] And that's what I liked about it.

[1305] That's what I loved about Viola being nominated for doubt.

[1306] But she's also studied and accomplished.

[1307] She's intimidating.

[1308] I sat next to her flying to Upfronts.

[1309] Another bizarre thing they make people do.

[1310] Okay, yeah.

[1311] Upfront is very difficult.

[1312] It's kind of like Show West or whatever the fuck I said.

[1313] It was cool.

[1314] But yeah, you go out and Now you go in front of advertisers who buy spots on network television shows.

[1315] And the same thing.

[1316] You're there with everybody.

[1317] So I will say the funest part of upfronts is the lounge at the airport and then the flight generally.

[1318] Because you're seeing all these people, you know, that are on TV.

[1319] It's exciting.

[1320] And then just luck of the drum sit next to Viola Davis.

[1321] And I was just like, this is a regal woman.

[1322] Dax, mind your peas and cues.

[1323] This isn't the time for any big swings.

[1324] That's always what you say right before you then continue forward.

[1325] Aim for the upper deck.

[1326] She's got a power.

[1327] She is definitely a serious person, definitely regal, definitely has a gravitus.

[1328] And then when you're talking about life and fun things, she's fun and funny.

[1329] And you're like laughing hysterically.

[1330] So I can't wait for her to do a comedy so that people can see.

[1331] that sigh to her because she's brilliant in every aspect.

[1332] Stay tuned for more armchair expert if you dare.

[1333] I read this cool article today about you.

[1334] You were talking about getting your value when you work, getting what you deserve.

[1335] It's such a journey for everyone, but I will say it's compounded every layer of marginalization you have.

[1336] So if you're female, I see the difference between when Chris and I weren't.

[1337] on the same rung of the ladder.

[1338] I was constantly like, wait, what are they all for you?

[1339] What are you talking about?

[1340] You're Sarah Marshall.

[1341] Whatever the case was, I was like, this is a little crazy.

[1342] And then if you're black and you're female, then it's like another.

[1343] And there's this kind of pervasive thought, you should be grateful.

[1344] Grateful.

[1345] I got this from Viola when she'd say they would tell me how much they love me, but then it wouldn't translate to the zeros.

[1346] And love's not going to pay my bills.

[1347] It's not going to put my kids through college or for me as my nieces and nephews through college.

[1348] So I'm not an extravagant person.

[1349] I came from humble beginnings.

[1350] So I love simple living within my means.

[1351] And don't go throw all your money away trying to keep up with the Joneses because chances are the Joneses don't really have it.

[1352] I'm not trying to impress anybody.

[1353] So when you come to me and it's not a real offer, I can say no and I mean no. Would I love to be a part of that project with all of those great actors?

[1354] Yes, but you're passing out dollars when you were getting that cast together.

[1355] And if my character is so integral, you've got to come with the dollars.

[1356] Don't come with the sense.

[1357] I wonder, do you have a good sense of, I'm good, I'll work.

[1358] I'm confident in the fact that anyone that I partner up with professionally, I know what they're going to get.

[1359] I know that I'm going to go the extra mile to do things that they're not going to ask any of those other actors to do, or they will ask those other actors to do, and they won't do it.

[1360] I know what I'm going to bring to the table.

[1361] I know that when I walk in, my weekend has been getting.

[1362] prepared.

[1363] And I'm going to deliver.

[1364] Now, my delivery may not be wrapped in a silver bow, but it's going to be the best that I can do at the time.

[1365] And if that's what you want, this is what you're going to get.

[1366] But what you're not going to do is get me for a dime on the dollar.

[1367] Yeah.

[1368] That's what you're not going to do.

[1369] There was a time when the agents would call me and I would say, yeah, you know what, honey, thank them.

[1370] Thank them for thinking of me. Oh, that's so classic.

[1371] So Southern.

[1372] It's a Southern fuck you.

[1373] It is.

[1374] It says Southern Hospital.

[1375] It's the nice not cut.

[1376] Yeah.

[1377] Thank him for thinking.

[1378] Honey, thank them.

[1379] Because it's like, well, they don't really have it in the budget.

[1380] I know they start putting it on you.

[1381] I see this with my wife all the time.

[1382] It's like, well, this movie's going to fall apart because you're not going to willing to take one third of what you get.

[1383] And my thing is, well, if it's that fragile, they probably shouldn't make it.

[1384] Right.

[1385] Wow.

[1386] Great thing.

[1387] And the other thing is, you know the type of business you're in when you're putting together a studio film and you start asking for your money on the back end.

[1388] Here's the thing.

[1389] If you tell me, Octavia, we don't have it in the budget.

[1390] I was like, okay, well, let's make it up on the back end.

[1391] the back end.

[1392] I was like, so the imaginary money?

[1393] Yeah.

[1394] You don't even want to share the imaginary money?

[1395] Honey, thank them.

[1396] Yeah.

[1397] Thank them.

[1398] Yes.

[1399] Yes.

[1400] That's so good.

[1401] Thank them for thinking up.

[1402] I'm going to make shirts that say thank them with quotes.

[1403] It's tricky though, right?

[1404] Because isn't there a piece or obviously not anymore, but was there ever a piece where you were like, I feel arrogant or something?

[1405] Like, this just happened to me on a teeny, teeny, teeny tiny level.

[1406] But there was an audition that came through.

[1407] In the subject, it was untitled.

[1408] And I was like, holy shit.

[1409] Oh, my God.

[1410] I'm so excited.

[1411] I hadn't even opened.

[1412] I was like, I can't even believe I'm getting an audition for something like this.

[1413] I open it up.

[1414] And the audition is to sing with another group of people as a wait staff.

[1415] Happy birthday.

[1416] Ooh.

[1417] How are you going to sink your teeth in it?

[1418] No, right.

[1419] I just, and I looked at it like for three minutes.

[1420] I was like, I can't pass.

[1421] Yeah, you can't.

[1422] But I'm going to.

[1423] But I'm going to.

[1424] Because, no, because my time's worth more than this.

[1425] Right.

[1426] If a friend associated with the project and you had time, of course you would consider it if you could make it work.

[1427] But auditioning?

[1428] It's a thing, happy birthday or 12 other people?

[1429] I was like, wait, I don't understand.

[1430] I wanted to make sure you didn't do any bigger hands.

[1431] Oh, yeah.

[1432] It's more of a red flag.

[1433] It's like, it's yours to lose as long as you don't start clapping like you're in YMCA or something while you sing happy birthday.

[1434] I know.

[1435] But I guess I felt like.

[1436] Who am I to pass?

[1437] You know, that thing starts going through your head.

[1438] Here's the thing.

[1439] We have to start empowering ourselves, especially as women, because there should be an attitude of gratitude.

[1440] I'm grateful for this job.

[1441] But they should be grateful for you.

[1442] Because not everybody's going to have your work ethic.

[1443] But that's the other thing.

[1444] If people do their recon, they know.

[1445] You know what you're getting into with me. And I always tell the A .Ds, I'm like, at the beginning of things, I'm going to be the person that you hate because I'm going to bug you about my schedule.

[1446] I need to know what the schedule is because they don't like to let go of those schedules because they get nervous.

[1447] They don't want us having too much knowledge.

[1448] Well, she thinks she's off that day.

[1449] I'm like, honey, it doesn't have anything to do with the day's off.

[1450] I need to know where my character is and what we're shooting and I need to chart that.

[1451] Well, it may not be on that day.

[1452] I said, is it that week?

[1453] Yeah.

[1454] Is it that week?

[1455] Because I've got to learn these lines so that I can throw them away.

[1456] So you're never going to have to look for me on the day.

[1457] You're always going to know where I am.

[1458] I'm going to be in San Diego on this day.

[1459] Exactly.

[1460] Exactly.

[1461] It always works out because by the end of it, it's like, that person just needed the information to do their process.

[1462] And you're the least of their worry.

[1463] I know my work ethic.

[1464] And I understand my value as an actor.

[1465] And if you don't understand it, that's not on me. Well, in their defense, do you know the words to happy birthday?

[1466] No, but I would have learned them.

[1467] See, I thought maybe, yeah.

[1468] Yeah.

[1469] So it's something you probably should read for it.

[1470] That's crazy.

[1471] No, no, don't.

[1472] Even just auditioning, that takes time and energy.

[1473] You put on making.

[1474] if you got to do the whole thing just to sing.

[1475] There was something about it that I was like, ooh, this feels like singing for your supper type thing, like literally.

[1476] You don't know that I can stand in a group of seven other people and sing happy birthday and probably not even going to see us for more than one.

[1477] I mean, my time's worth more than that.

[1478] The other thing is the success is that they want to make sure they pick the people out who aren't going to be, like, crazy.

[1479] Yeah, yeah.

[1480] You know, just like showing up on set and taking pictures.

[1481] And I understand all of that.

[1482] Yeah.

[1483] But your psychology going into it can't be, I should be lucky.

[1484] Because the person that doesn't have any credit, that doesn't have any set etiquette, you know what I'm saying?

[1485] Yeah, yeah.

[1486] It'd be different if you were brand new to town and got that audition.

[1487] At that time, my time was worth something much different.

[1488] Hey, you're a grown -ass woman.

[1489] You own the house across street from us.

[1490] I mean, you ain't going to go sing happy birthday.

[1491] I know.

[1492] We're fine with that.

[1493] Call you and say, hey, do you have time?

[1494] Yeah, that's great.

[1495] Would you want to come?

[1496] This will be fun.

[1497] You'd have to really pet my ego.

[1498] We thought it would be such a funny thing.

[1499] If you're just like in the background singing happy birthday.

[1500] Totally.

[1501] It's a wink to.

[1502] I'm like, oh, this is kind of cool.

[1503] That is really fun.

[1504] I will do that.

[1505] Oh, wait, I got to read for it?

[1506] Yeah, well, we think that'd be funny too.

[1507] Like, what if you also read for it?

[1508] There was an audition.

[1509] I didn't read for it.

[1510] Whoa.

[1511] Can I ask you one serious question?

[1512] It's kind of a downer, but I did get curious about it.

[1513] Your dad died when you're 15?

[1514] 13.

[1515] And mom at 18?

[1516] 17.

[1517] I'm almost 42, 43.

[1518] Yeah.

[1519] Who raised us after?

[1520] Yeah, A, who raised you?

[1521] We have six siblings, right?

[1522] It's one of those things where you have to band together.

[1523] I'm the next to the youngest, so they were kind of at the end of the road.

[1524] And they basically had that role anyway to look after us.

[1525] Was she sick for a while before?

[1526] No, it was a surprise.

[1527] She had a pulmonary embolism.

[1528] Oh, okay.

[1529] Yeah.

[1530] My dad wasn't really in my life.

[1531] So my mother losing her was foundational.

[1532] This is when you start applying for scholarships and student loans to make sure that everybody's tuition is covered, to make sure household bills are covered.

[1533] It was a huge growing up process.

[1534] Who replaces that?

[1535] Did you have a grandma or anything?

[1536] I did, but she passed away.

[1537] All of life that I've learned has been lived and earned and processed through my naivete.

[1538] hey, this is why I am where I am.

[1539] Everything was my own experience.

[1540] Do you think it heightened and motivated you to have good friendship circles?

[1541] Because you're by yourself.

[1542] What it did was made me realize that I no longer have an advocate.

[1543] I had to advocate for myself.

[1544] And that's why I can say, thank him, honey.

[1545] Thank him.

[1546] Yeah.

[1547] Okay, this could be like someone's catchphrase on an 80s sitcom.

[1548] Thank you money.

[1549] I could hear your character say thank him, honey, at least three times.

[1550] episode for a dozen years.

[1551] I'm Poppy Scoville.

[1552] Thank you.

[1553] Does Poppy ever say it?

[1554] No. She's too sophisticated.

[1555] She's not from the South.

[1556] So Poppy, Poppy was a Pulitzer Prize -winning investigative journalist, and she wrote extensively about this guy who she thought was guilty of murder.

[1557] And then in reflection is nervous, he was not guilty.

[1558] Right.

[1559] So she starts a podcast to kind of inquire about that.

[1560] And then it becomes this hugely successful podcast.

[1561] And you were advised by Sarah Kainik, yeah.

[1562] Oh, cereal.

[1563] Can I tell you we're sitting here because of cereal?

[1564] I love cereal.

[1565] I'll tell you why specifically.

[1566] She worked for Kristen at the time.

[1567] And we were all listening to cereal.

[1568] And Monica and I would argue in the kitchen for like three hours straight about whether Adon was guilty or not.

[1569] That was the crucible of arguing.

[1570] And we were like, huh, we should argue in public.

[1571] Like, we should really, we should start something where we get to argue in public for truly.

[1572] Yeah.

[1573] Oh, so good.

[1574] You're a true crime fanatic.

[1575] I am.

[1576] I was a true crime fanatic before it became this thing.

[1577] Yeah.

[1578] You like serial killer books.

[1579] You geeked out on an airplane.

[1580] Yes, sitting next to John Douglas, who started the FBI behavioral science.

[1581] Oh, wow.

[1582] I'm not kidding.

[1583] He's like a rock star to me. And I got bumped up to first class.

[1584] It was like around Christmas, and it was when KLM was the hub was in Memphis.

[1585] I was sitting there and I had gotten bumped up.

[1586] And he was so sweet.

[1587] I want to meet him again and see if he remembers that minor bird that talked all the way.

[1588] Yes.

[1589] Cross country.

[1590] And can I ask like what level of questions were you asking him?

[1591] I was literally asking about different killers.

[1592] And it's like meeting an idol.

[1593] I mean, it's still a part of my.

[1594] When did it start?

[1595] I would say when I read Helter Skelter.

[1596] Oh, sure.

[1597] And I read that way too early.

[1598] And I just started thinking about these criminals.

[1599] and what drives people and I have too much knowledge about killer?

[1600] This is a weird question, but do you have a favorite killer?

[1601] I don't have a favorite.

[1602] But the one you find yourself most fascinated with?

[1603] Are you horny for Bundy?

[1604] No. You don't go that far.

[1605] Like, you don't want to...

[1606] No, there's nothing...

[1607] You don't want to marry one.

[1608] I don't find them attractive.

[1609] Monica kind of does, though.

[1610] I just want to say, she says she at least can understand the way in, which is like, oh, they're so dangerous, but they like me. I'm an exception.

[1611] There's like some appeal to that.

[1612] It's bad, then they kill you.

[1613] Here's the thing.

[1614] If they have a problem with everybody else, you've got to thank them, baby.

[1615] If you see any pathology, any pathology presenting, you have to thank them.

[1616] Because what they will do to other people, they will do to you.

[1617] That's right.

[1618] You know, thank them, thank them.

[1619] Even if they're attractive, thank them.

[1620] For me, it's like you're literally like thinking, I want to be able to pick out if this person is a serial killer or a sociopath I need to know because I don't want to go down that road.

[1621] So you think I want to be able to pick that sociopath out.

[1622] Okay, I have a great question.

[1623] Okay.

[1624] So because it takes up so much of your time and your thought, you're reading so much stuff and you're thinking about it, do you think you have thought you've stumbled upon them?

[1625] Because it's like on your radar.

[1626] Here's the thing.

[1627] I thought that I would be able to discern.

[1628] But if you're good at it, if you're good.

[1629] It's a skill.

[1630] That's one of the reasons why I love that you're cautious about nice, because if you're just being nice to be nice, what's under that?

[1631] I say this all the time, like, I need to know people's motive.

[1632] I can actually hang with a bad motive because it probably won't affect me. I just need to know.

[1633] Like, I don't think anyone's motiveless.

[1634] Right.

[1635] What I can say is, I don't know that I've met very many psychopaths or sociopaths.

[1636] I think my way of thinking is very logical, and it comes from following the evidence.

[1637] The signs are there, honey.

[1638] You're the only one not paying attention to them.

[1639] What's the great quote at the beginning?

[1640] Agatha Christie said, one coincidence is a coincidence.

[1641] Two is a clue.

[1642] And three is evidence?

[1643] I got that from your show.

[1644] I got that from Truth But told.

[1645] I know.

[1646] I'm chilly, too.

[1647] I was like, can we stop talking about killers?

[1648] Because I'm going to be a sleet.

[1649] So what are you hot for right now?

[1650] Because you're consuming this stuff all the time.

[1651] First of all, did you listen to Dr. Death?

[1652] Does that fall under your purview?

[1653] you?

[1654] Medical sociopathy?

[1655] The thing that I can't do, because I'm a hypochondriac, is deal with the medical because if I watch something and they start giving the symptoms of prostate cancer, even though I know, there is no way that I can ever get prostate cancer.

[1656] We think.

[1657] You have it.

[1658] I have it.

[1659] I have the symptoms.

[1660] You probably won't get testicular cancer.

[1661] But the thing is, I don't know.

[1662] That's how my brain works.

[1663] So, no, I can't go down the medical rabbit hole because I know that I'm not a killer.

[1664] It's so separate from me that I'm fascinated by it.

[1665] Yeah, but you could be under the hands of a doctor.

[1666] Literally, I'm like, uh, I think I have it.

[1667] I'm one of those people when I say, how are you?

[1668] I really don't want to know.

[1669] I don't want to know any specifics.

[1670] Yeah, I went to the doctor, I have a sore throat because the next thing I know, I'm like, you and Monica must not, must not exchange numbers, okay?

[1671] No, you know, I know how to not tell you that I feel like I'm dying every day.

[1672] It's something bad's happening all the time.

[1673] Is it a touchy subject, but she has had many brain aneurysm since I've had.

[1674] No, brain tumor.

[1675] You have a lot of brain tumors.

[1676] I have to tell you.

[1677] I've got a few myself.

[1678] And I'm that person that is always going to go to the big doctor.

[1679] Like, I got to get in.

[1680] I got to get in.

[1681] That's smart.

[1682] At least I don't do that.

[1683] I only just spiral out and then I never actually get it checked over time.

[1684] I'm like, well, I guess I didn't have brain cancer because I'd be probably dead.

[1685] Do you have a particularly embarrassing right home from a doctor where you're like, ooh, I really shouldn't have taken up the person's time with that.

[1686] I miss my doctor.

[1687] You know, when she finally stopped taking patients.

[1688] She moved out of the country because of you.

[1689] She literally was like, I'm in administrative.

[1690] I'm not seeing patients anymore.

[1691] I'm like, please, please.

[1692] Okay, Tate got me really good because he knows one of our roommates had his shirt off and he was just kind of polka dot.

[1693] You know, like these hard round bruises.

[1694] And there were so many of them all over his body.

[1695] And I'm like, oh, my God, what do you have?

[1696] And it's like, I don't know, but they hurt.

[1697] You're trying to calm them down.

[1698] You're trying to keep him calm.

[1699] And I'm like, I think you're going to be okay.

[1700] But I got to go.

[1701] I got to go.

[1702] Because I'm thinking, I need to call my doctor.

[1703] Whatever he's got, I don't want it.

[1704] And they knew.

[1705] They knew immediately when I was breaking away that I was trying to get him to see my doctor.

[1706] And I'm calling and I'm leaving messages.

[1707] They're like, you got to get me in.

[1708] My room is all over.

[1709] And they were laughing so hard.

[1710] He had gone to get coffee.

[1711] They were playing with me. But I literally was like, oh, God, I see what?

[1712] I got to get out of here.

[1713] This is why this whole pandemic time has been just like crazy town.

[1714] Oh, sure.

[1715] It has been crazy town funny.

[1716] I'm not that bad.

[1717] Well, maybe.

[1718] She's got a couple years on you.

[1719] You got time.

[1720] I'm a recovered.

[1721] It's just anxiety, really.

[1722] Well, also, your parents both died really young.

[1723] Like, my dad died at 62.

[1724] Males of my family don't do a lot.

[1725] You know, I start thinking, well, why am I so unique?

[1726] You know what I'm saying?

[1727] Yeah.

[1728] What have I done that's so special that's going to change my genetics?

[1729] You start thinking that way.

[1730] You do.

[1731] So I won't go down the medical rabbit home.

[1732] So, but truth but told this season, we've got Gabrielle Union.

[1733] And we're exploring what?

[1734] We are dealing with.

[1735] missing girls and what happens when people go missing and the disparity in media coverage for white and black and brown how the parents deal with that anguish and what could possibly be the reason that these girls go missing well there was that gnarly doc you watched the one about the serial killer that was in compton and he was killing all those hookers dozens and just no one ever gave a shit and he knew that yes yeah If there's a case that's unresolved, reopen it if you can to give people answers.

[1736] Because now with all the technology, you know, if they've kept the evidence.

[1737] But usually that's what you find when they reopen cold cases is that the killer, most of the time, it's someone that they had already interviewed or had already been brought up that they didn't follow up on.

[1738] So it's always interesting to me. All right.

[1739] It's on Apple Plus, season three.

[1740] Congratulations on the success of that It's almost impossible to get three seasons of any show This is true Yeah, so I'm so happy for you In all the ways, nominated three times for Academy Awards You're tied with Viola No, Viola Now she passed with Chad Bozeman Maureen's Blackbottom Yeah Okay, yes, yes, yes, yes Okay, so she's now four Well, you gotta get going I don't know what the fuck you're sitting here for You gotta be Knock knock knock knock I've got to get back on it.

[1741] Prestige.

[1742] Need that cachet.

[1743] Well, Octavia, I love you.

[1744] It's been so long.

[1745] I love you, too.

[1746] I love this.

[1747] This was really a wonderful.

[1748] I know.

[1749] I've been looking so forward to it.

[1750] We've been driving a bit crazy for a couple years now.

[1751] A long time.

[1752] So happy.

[1753] I'm glad that we were able to make it work.

[1754] Well, if she murders you, I'll be sad and I'll have the pride of saying, I knew it.

[1755] I told you.

[1756] I knew that was a killer.

[1757] And how ironic that Octavia was so obsessed.

[1758] and she didn't even see the murder sleeping in her bed.

[1759] That's daylight right there.

[1760] All right, Octavia, I love you.

[1761] I love you too.

[1762] Thank you, Monica.

[1763] Bye.

[1764] And now my favorite part of the show, the fact check with my soulmate Monica Padman.

[1765] Good salad?

[1766] Mm -hmm.

[1767] It's hungry.

[1768] Hungry.

[1769] Haven't eaten today.

[1770] You didn't have any brecky?

[1771] No. You know, I've been, I don't know if I've talked about it yet on a fact check, but I decided to get really, really religious about my protein consumption.

[1772] Okay.

[1773] Over the last two weeks, it's been my goal.

[1774] Yeah.

[1775] And, you know, I was guilty as the next person about what you think you consume versus what you actually consume.

[1776] If you're actually writing it down every time and looking it up, it's a much different picture.

[1777] Yeah.

[1778] Yeah.

[1779] Like, it's highly recommended if you're exercising a lot, five days a week or more, that you should definitely be eating your weight in grams of protein a day.

[1780] So for me, that's like 2 .08 currently.

[1781] And I would have said to you, that's so much.

[1782] I would have been like, I bet I'm getting about 175 grams of protein.

[1783] I knew I was under, but I would have, I would have been pretty certain it was about 175.

[1784] I bet you it was about 110.

[1785] Now that I'm writing down, like, it's fucking hard to eat 210 grams of protein a day.

[1786] I mean, but also for what goal to build?

[1787] Body composition.

[1788] A, I told you, I'm now.

[1789] I'm in a process of I'm going to lean out a bit, right?

[1790] I've told you all about it.

[1791] My hair's long, so now I want to be lean.

[1792] It's no sense.

[1793] But for me, that's the package.

[1794] That's fine, yeah.

[1795] But I don't want to lose, I don't want to lose all the muscle I've been working on for three years.

[1796] So I'm like, okay, well, I'll just go really high protein.

[1797] And that'll be the most of my calories will come from protein.

[1798] Yeah.

[1799] What's really funny, and I already told you this, but now I got to tell that your arm cherries.

[1800] Completely unbeknownst to me, Charlie and I got together to watch the, oh, the Georgia football game.

[1801] Uh -huh.

[1802] And we're sitting there watching it.

[1803] And I said, oh, man, I just started actually.

[1804] What I do is I write my weight in the morning in my calculator.

[1805] And then, okay, I put 11 grams of collagen protein in my coffee minus 11.

[1806] Then I have two scoops in my oatmeal.

[1807] Bob's red mill's got seven grams.

[1808] Then the two scoops minus 27 plus the big thing of almond butter.

[1809] That's another five.

[1810] And I deduct all day.

[1811] And I said, I just started doing this.

[1812] And man, I'm really shocked with how much less protein I was eating that.

[1813] And he goes, oh, my God.

[1814] I started doing this five days ago as well.

[1815] Wow.

[1816] Completely just random.

[1817] Weird.

[1818] He's got an app for it.

[1819] He's like, let me look at my thing.

[1820] So I'm struggling to get 208.

[1821] I feel like it's so hard.

[1822] I'm eating like big bowls of turkey taco meat, you know, stuff like this.

[1823] He's like, yeah, let me open my thing up.

[1824] He's like, yeah, it is.

[1825] It's hard, right?

[1826] Oh, yeah.

[1827] So my first day, I was like 320.

[1828] No. Monica, he has days.

[1829] That's too much.

[1830] Now all we do is send each other.

[1831] our protein intake he has days where he's eating 420 grams of protein it's insane it's like watching race to 270 all over again he's like you know he's eating 12 times a day and all these different things he is a machine there's just no competing with him yeah i estimate there's any change happening physiological i mean obviously his body already looks a little different yeah but aside from that i'm like you know are you paying any price for this namely i'm thinking what does his shit look like?

[1832] Like is it a paving brick that's tearing everything up?

[1833] Yeah.

[1834] Says it's fine.

[1835] Everything's fine there.

[1836] I wish I don't know.

[1837] He's a phenom.

[1838] And he's no, no issues for him whatsoever.

[1839] And this is like two days of this.

[1840] And then he hit me and he goes, you know what?

[1841] I did leave out the fact that I've had a couple farts that were.

[1842] Ooh.

[1843] Gross.

[1844] Room clears.

[1845] I feel so bad for Erica.

[1846] I know.

[1847] She lives with like a laboratory animal.

[1848] It's constantly in some experiment happening.

[1849] Oh, boy.

[1850] It's hard to feel that bad for her, though, because Charlie's so gorgeous and nice and smart.

[1851] I mean, your husband could have really bad farts, and then he just, like, sits on the couch all day.

[1852] Sure.

[1853] I'm not marrying that person, most likely.

[1854] Yeah, I want you to marry that person.

[1855] I'm not marrying.

[1856] Couch potato.

[1857] We call him couch potatoes in the biz.

[1858] Do you think anyone on their dating app has what they're looking for and says, couch potato?

[1859] Potato.

[1860] Potato.

[1861] Yeah.

[1862] Tatea.

[1863] Okay.

[1864] Speaking of, I'm probably going to try keto.

[1865] Well, it is it?

[1866] We just had a guest on.

[1867] Yes.

[1868] There's three hours talking about this.

[1869] And then the completely almost unbelievable results of a keto diet on epilepsy.

[1870] Yeah.

[1871] Those percentages are insane.

[1872] Yeah, they're really shocking.

[1873] Yeah, Easter egg.

[1874] And the epilepsy linked to depression.

[1875] Yeah.

[1876] Oh, yeah.

[1877] That was fascinating.

[1878] All the mental disorders.

[1879] Yeah.

[1880] I mean, I mean, when he was laying that out, I was like, do I have epilepsy?

[1881] I know.

[1882] You won't like this, but sometimes I wonder if you do too.

[1883] I know, but I then.

[1884] I know you had, you did.

[1885] Yeah.

[1886] But I too, I'm like, does she really need to be on medicine for it?

[1887] Well, I mean, speaking of that, what Elizabeth and Andy call Health Corner on their show, they talk about health stuff.

[1888] We'll circle back to that because I'm going to have dinner with them tonight and I'm really nervous.

[1889] Anyway, so I, you know, I talked to my neurologist a couple months ago and he said, you know, since you haven't had a seizure that we know of, we can try tapering you off if you want.

[1890] It's been two years.

[1891] Yeah.

[1892] It's totally up to you.

[1893] Like, I'm happy to try tapering you off.

[1894] A lot of people are, you know, totally good.

[1895] Often people taper off have been totally fine.

[1896] They're off for a couple weeks and they have a seizure.

[1897] And so I said, I want to stay on it.

[1898] Yeah.

[1899] Just for, honestly, just peace of mind.

[1900] Just for shits and giggles.

[1901] Not for the gigs, but for peace of mind, I feel.

[1902] Well, you're, I don't choose my words carefully.

[1903] You have some anxiety around your health already.

[1904] Yeah.

[1905] Like if you had none, if you were like me. Yeah.

[1906] We're the opposite end of the spectrum.

[1907] You, that is not true.

[1908] That is not true.

[1909] Well, tell me. What do you think I think I have?

[1910] You think you have stuff sometimes.

[1911] I'm the one that said I'll go out and get, like, involved in a knife fight, and I'm certain I won't get hurt.

[1912] I know.

[1913] You are that person.

[1914] Right.

[1915] But when it comes to medical stuff, you've, I just, I don't want to fight about it.

[1916] I don't either.

[1917] Let's be best friends.

[1918] I know we are.

[1919] But anywho, okay, go on.

[1920] Oh, my God.

[1921] I told this girl at the basketball game last night.

[1922] So Jason Delion, who was on the show, my friend from college, my only college buddy.

[1923] It's so funny, isn't it?

[1924] It's really sweet.

[1925] It truly is my only.

[1926] Well, he and Alex Simcox, but we haven't seen each other.

[1927] And the three of us were friends.

[1928] But, yeah, my only college buddy.

[1929] And he's now a professor at Yuselaine.

[1930] It just cracks me out.

[1931] And, like, killing it.

[1932] Yeah, MacArthur, Grant, winner.

[1933] I mean, found it, whatever it's called.

[1934] And if you recall, when we interviewed him.

[1935] the story he didn't know if I would want told was the time he and I were running from the cops on my motorcycle and crashed into a bush.

[1936] Yes.

[1937] And it was because the Lakers had won the finals.

[1938] And they hadn't won in a long, long time.

[1939] So he's from Long Beach.

[1940] He's a hardcore L .A. sports fan.

[1941] Yeah.

[1942] We email each other once in a while.

[1943] He's like, hey, if you ever want to go to the Lakers game, I have a season ticket.

[1944] I'm like, oh, yeah, let's do that.

[1945] So he comes over last night and I go, let's take something fun.

[1946] Let's take my old pickup truck, which I don't.

[1947] I don't even think he cares.

[1948] I had it in my mind that he would enjoy that more than a normal car.

[1949] But then while I was driving, I was like, I don't even sure why I thought he would.

[1950] This has never been his thing, cars.

[1951] Halfway there, the truck breaks down.

[1952] Yeah.

[1953] There is a loose connection on the alternator.

[1954] It's not charging the battery.

[1955] Sometimes it's on.

[1956] Sometimes it's on.

[1957] Pull over on the side of the road, walk to an auto zone, buy a battery, Uber back, get to the game.

[1958] We're sitting there.

[1959] This group of two guys and two girls are in front of us.

[1960] the girl's kind of standing for a minute before she sits down.

[1961] Mm -hmm.

[1962] And she was wearing pretty large platform sneakers.

[1963] Oh, okay.

[1964] And I said, be honest with me, without the sneakers, are you four or eleven?

[1965] You said it to a stranger?

[1966] Yep.

[1967] Okay.

[1968] And she said, no, I am five feet.

[1969] And I said, are we rounding up?

[1970] She was shorter than you.

[1971] Okay.

[1972] Okay.

[1973] Well, I'm five feet and a half inch.

[1974] Right.

[1975] So maybe she was short.

[1976] Well, yeah, she appeared to be a full inch shorter.

[1977] Oh, wow.

[1978] Okay.

[1979] So then she sits down.

[1980] Anyways, at some point, it comes out that she's a dentist.

[1981] She's 35.

[1982] Oh.

[1983] She's Persian.

[1984] Okay.

[1985] And I said, oh, my best friend's 35.

[1986] Uh -huh.

[1987] And she's the one that's also five feet tall.

[1988] Ah.

[1989] And she said, what's your wife think about the fact that your best friends at 35 -year -old girl?

[1990] girl.

[1991] Yeah.

[1992] And I said, well, conveniently, it's her best friend, too.

[1993] It worked out.

[1994] It worked out.

[1995] Yeah.

[1996] Anyways, she's surfing through pictures.

[1997] She finds you.

[1998] Is this the girl?

[1999] Oh, wow.

[2000] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2001] It was a whole exciting thing.

[2002] Do you think she looked at my soap?

[2003] No, she didn't know who I once.

[2004] I doubt she knows who the soap.

[2005] I mean, that's pretty deep, deep dive, the soap.

[2006] She's going to look up that soap.

[2007] That's funny.

[2008] Yeah.

[2009] And when they were looking at you, by the way, they said, Oh, where's she from?

[2010] I love this because they themselves were minorities.

[2011] So I like when I see minorities acting the same way as white people.

[2012] Like, where's she from?

[2013] I know what they meant, right?

[2014] I go, oh, Georgia.

[2015] And now they got to take that, right?

[2016] Oh, my God.

[2017] Now you're like, okay.

[2018] Now I'm self -righteous.

[2019] Now you're becoming, you like decided you're me. I'm you.

[2020] In this case, I'm representing you.

[2021] So, yeah, I'm like, Atlanta.

[2022] Why do you ask?

[2023] Right?

[2024] So I go, Atlanta.

[2025] then they just got to take that.

[2026] Sure, I know.

[2027] I go, I know what that's like.

[2028] And then I go, are you curious what ethnicity is?

[2029] And they go, yeah.

[2030] And I go, she's Indian.

[2031] And they go, oh, she could be Persian.

[2032] I go, sure, absolutely.

[2033] South Indian.

[2034] Could be.

[2035] What else did they say?

[2036] Anything else?

[2037] Did they say they liked the look of my face or no?

[2038] Well, clearly, if they think you look Persian, they're Persian.

[2039] They like you.

[2040] This is like, this is the ultimate compliment.

[2041] That's not how that works at all.

[2042] Yes.

[2043] Yes.

[2044] Then they showed Danny DeVito on the big Jumbotron for a while.

[2045] He does a great thing.

[2046] Oh, he was there.

[2047] He was there.

[2048] And then he's on the Jumbotron.

[2049] He's making some fun faces and the crowd's going bananas.

[2050] And she turns around and says, who's that?

[2051] Okay.

[2052] And I said, that's Danny DeVito.

[2053] That's like the first time she's ever hearing this name.

[2054] Wow.

[2055] Yeah, wild, right?

[2056] Or she's got David's syndrome.

[2057] Oh, shit.

[2058] But she didn't seem to recognize the name either.

[2059] Yeah.

[2060] Okay.

[2061] Wow.

[2062] What a game.

[2063] And you know, it's cute.

[2064] When they showed Danny DeVito, they play the theme song for It's Always Sunny.

[2065] Oh, that's cute.

[2066] Oh, I loved it.

[2067] Yeah.

[2068] That's really cute.

[2069] I wanted them to show me on the Jumbotron and play the theme song Armchair Expert.

[2070] That'd be cool.

[2071] Yeah, it would be really cool.

[2072] It would be a deep cut.

[2073] Do you know what I never want to happen?

[2074] What?

[2075] To be on the Jumbotron.

[2076] Yeah.

[2077] Well, the last, I was telling Jason this.

[2078] My last time there, I think I told you this story, was going with Penae to a Clippers game, and we were sitting on the court.

[2079] And this song was on and I was dancing to Penae.

[2080] I always do my Greek dance in front of Penae.

[2081] As you can see, all I think about is ethnicity.

[2082] So I'm with Penae and I do my Greek dance.

[2083] Like, you haven't learned anything from being my friend.

[2084] No, I love all the ethnicities.

[2085] I was an anthropology major.

[2086] Of course I fucking, yes, I'm interested in other ethnicities.

[2087] That's why you major in it.

[2088] Okay.

[2089] If you were interested in white people, you major in law.

[2090] Okay?

[2091] No, not really.

[2092] Okay.

[2093] Or English.

[2094] If you're super fascinated with other cultures, you major an anthropology.

[2095] Okay.

[2096] Anyway, you were dancing.

[2097] To Penae.

[2098] But then as I turn, I realize, oh, I've been dancing on the Jumbotron.

[2099] And now I'm like, well, I got to keep dancing.

[2100] I can't stop dancing.

[2101] But now I know I'm on the Jumbotron, right?

[2102] So I'm dancing and people are excited.

[2103] And I'm like, this is going on.

[2104] And all of a sudden I started thinking, I'm like, I'm out of moves.

[2105] This is going on way longer than it should.

[2106] Like, normally they're showing people for 10 seconds.

[2107] I swear to God I was on that jumbotron for 30 seconds dancing.

[2108] It ended and Penae and I were like, Penae was like, boy, bud, they really hung you out to dry.

[2109] I'm like, I know they would got.

[2110] Oh, my God.

[2111] No one yelled, God.

[2112] What was I supposed to do?

[2113] I can't just stop dancing and stare at the camera.

[2114] I think you do stop dancing and then you like, you kind of like smile.

[2115] No, you just like smile and sit and then talk to.

[2116] to Panay.

[2117] Oh, my God, I act like I now have forgotten I'm on the TV.

[2118] Yes, like, it's time to move on, guys.

[2119] And then Panay was making fun of himself.

[2120] So he's making fun of me because I got hung out to drive.

[2121] But he was making fun of himself a lot because he was in the shot.

[2122] And he's staring up at the jumbo trunks.

[2123] When you're on the core, it's like straight up.

[2124] Yeah.

[2125] It was great.

[2126] We love when we embarrass ourselves.

[2127] So it becomes the fodder for the next two hours.

[2128] Yeah, good.

[2129] What are you so annoyed by?

[2130] What?

[2131] Are you annoyed?

[2132] No. Just listen.

[2133] listening to your story.

[2134] Oh, you're like, oh, okay.

[2135] I'm allowed to not, like, die laughing at every single thing you say.

[2136] Okay, I got the distinct feeling you were like, are you all done with this?

[2137] No, I just, I'm listening.

[2138] Okay, okay.

[2139] Anyway, did they win?

[2140] They lost.

[2141] Oh, no. They lost, yeah.

[2142] They're not very good this year.

[2143] They're under 500, yeah.

[2144] I want to say their record was like 22 and 25 when we left.

[2145] They were playing the Kings, Sacramento Kings.

[2146] It was close at the end.

[2147] They'll say that.

[2148] It got an al -bitey.

[2149] That's fun.

[2150] But, you know, I don't go to these sporting events to really watch the game.

[2151] You know that about me. Yeah, you go to talk to the people in front of you.

[2152] And Jason, I'm learning about this book that he's almost done writing, which is so fascinating.

[2153] I cannot wait to have him on to talk about the book.

[2154] Oh, great.

[2155] You know, he does all of his field work in Mexico, deals a lot with coyotes and smugglers.

[2156] Yeah.

[2157] And he became friends with this few of these young smugglers.

[2158] And he got immersed with like this gang of crazy crack smoking smugglers that are dying left and right.

[2159] And he's now written a book about it.

[2160] It sounds so interesting.

[2161] I can't believe he's alive.

[2162] Wow.

[2163] He has kids, right?

[2164] Yeah.

[2165] Well, he's an anthropologist.

[2166] Oh, God.

[2167] He's so interested in that.

[2168] Yes.

[2169] He is.

[2170] Okay.

[2171] Now, oh, yeah, so I'm going to have dinner with Elizabeth and Andy.

[2172] Yes.

[2173] From my favorite podcast.

[2174] Nobody's listening, right?

[2175] Right.

[2176] And they have Health Corner.

[2177] And they have Health Corner.

[2178] And I'm nervous.

[2179] Okay.

[2180] Because I want them to like me. Yeah, sure.

[2181] This is going to be very effortless.

[2182] We're going to Houston's.

[2183] Oh, perfect.

[2184] Yeah.

[2185] What do I order?

[2186] I'll tell you what you're going to order to the chicken sandwich.

[2187] Am I?

[2188] Yes.

[2189] What about keto?

[2190] Well, you're not starting keto today.

[2191] But that would not be on your keto menu.

[2192] I hate to tell you.

[2193] You get cheat days on keto?

[2194] No. Yeah.

[2195] Because ketosis is a state.

[2196] Right.

[2197] Okay.

[2198] We'll see once you have your own nutritionist.

[2199] What happens?

[2200] Did you know Alec Baldwin was charged with involuntary manslaughter today?

[2201] That seems impossible.

[2202] And that does not seem possible.

[2203] I agree.

[2204] How the fuck on earth, if you're an actor and the prop master hands you a shotgun?

[2205] I know.

[2206] I was thinking the same thing.

[2207] I think that's insane.

[2208] Yeah, I find that to be really insane.

[2209] I also do, too.

[2210] Like, that's...

[2211] I mean, maybe there's stuff we don't know.

[2212] Maybe.

[2213] That's possible.

[2214] We have to entertain the possibility that we don't know everything about it.

[2215] I don't know.

[2216] You know, maybe someone said, I don't want to rehearse with the gun.

[2217] I don't know, but from what I know, it seems absolutely.

[2218] insane.

[2219] Yeah, as an actor, you don't have any control.

[2220] I mean, it would be like if the brakes went out on a car, I was driving in a scene.

[2221] I wouldn't get charged with murder.

[2222] Unless maybe.

[2223] I mean, if it's involuntary manslaughter, what happened?

[2224] Like, I, there's sentencing for involuntary manslaughter.

[2225] People who kill people in drunk driving is often the charge is involuntary.

[2226] And that's much different than what Sir Alec Baldwin went through.

[2227] I know.

[2228] Has he been knighted?

[2229] They're, charging him for the murder but not the guy that was injured so there's two someone was killed or not the well manslaughter man slaughter means death yeah yeah but they're not charging him for the person that was injured from being shot as well right but that's weird but if they were charging for one it would be if it was his fault he should be charged with injuring the god and him and someone else are also being charged but also is it the family that's like that's but the family could do a civil lawsuit but They can't tell the DA to.

[2230] So who's doing it?

[2231] The DA, the district attorney has decided to prosecute and allocate resources to a trial.

[2232] I think they're just making a point.

[2233] Like all of the quotes from them that are saying that no one's above the law.

[2234] But that's not even that's bullshit.

[2235] It's not, that wasn't his job.

[2236] I understand.

[2237] There's no negligence on his part.

[2238] The prop master, I see that.

[2239] Yeah.

[2240] I mean, that's whole, I feel horrible.

[2241] It's tragic.

[2242] It is.

[2243] Yeah.

[2244] But I have some, there's logic around that.

[2245] Well, it is funny.

[2246] We have these little, all these little barricades around certain concepts.

[2247] It's really interesting to think about where we put the barricade.

[2248] Like so an accident happens.

[2249] It's nothing.

[2250] Alec Baldwin trips on set, bumps into a guy and the guy falls down and breaks his head open.

[2251] It's like an accident.

[2252] Yeah.

[2253] And we're like, oh, well, that was a very tragic accident.

[2254] There's no, the police aren't even looking into this.

[2255] Yeah.

[2256] Then, you know, if he's handed a gun for a scene, that's his job, and then what happens, happens to me, that's like really bad accident.

[2257] Now you go to the prop master.

[2258] Well, his job is to make sure that there's no lot of ammunition in the gun.

[2259] Yeah.

[2260] So now there's some culpability, but, you know, that's an interesting barricade too.

[2261] Still an accident.

[2262] The guy didn't, you know.

[2263] Well, drunk driving is an accident too.

[2264] Yeah, there's negligence that leads.

[2265] to the accident.

[2266] So I do understand that piece.

[2267] And part of me, is it because, no, these people haven't been on set.

[2268] Like, they don't know that it's not the actor's job.

[2269] It kind of reeks of that.

[2270] Yeah, Alec Baldwin was like, throw me a gun for this.

[2271] I want to do this.

[2272] I'm making some decision.

[2273] And I'm refusing to let anyone check it or something.

[2274] Like, that would be.

[2275] Well, but maybe.

[2276] So that could be an element.

[2277] Who knows?

[2278] I guess we don't know enough.

[2279] They like called out that he was an.

[2280] A -less actor and not above the law.

[2281] The Attorney General's quote.

[2282] See to me, that seems like a fucking political shitty move.

[2283] That is very weird.

[2284] It's all so sad and upsetting.

[2285] I really laughed at CAA being CAA.

[2286] Yeah, that's very funny.

[2287] Also, people didn't, you know, we're assuming that everybody knows CAA is a big agency out here.

[2288] The biggest creative artist agency.

[2289] That's almost really good.

[2290] Let's think.

[2291] Let's try it again.

[2292] Three, two, one.

[2293] Creative artist agency.

[2294] That's really nice.

[2295] Let's try it again in three, two, one.

[2296] Creative artist agency.

[2297] You know, I've heard from some guys.

[2298] Guys seem to hate the robot.

[2299] I don't know.

[2300] Are you serious?

[2301] Well, it's the only attacks I've heard of the robot have been like a handful of guys.

[2302] What are they?

[2303] I fucking hate the robot.

[2304] When you start talking like the robot, I have to turn off the show.

[2305] And I'm like Go fuck yourselves people Yes No I'm willing to explore what's going on Before we tell them to get out Let's find out That's rude to the robot He just wants to be a real boy One of the one of them's calling in right now Yeah What was it What are you What's your question?

[2306] What's your problem with the robot?

[2307] I fucking hate that voice I hate your voice Well I'm not on the radio You don't have to listen to my voice go fuck yourself wow man you called me if that's honestly that is how i picture those people sounding all right let me try another one that maybe you would like more okay okay hello hello hi hi could you could you guys stop doing that robot voice why would we stop what do you oh just don't like it just when it comes on it's it's too high pitched and it's just really annoying and a like so much of the other part of the show.

[2308] I don't know why he has to be a character.

[2309] Oh, um, well, he does because we want him to be.

[2310] So you can stop listening.

[2311] Bye, bye.

[2312] Oh, hello.

[2313] He fell off a cliff.

[2314] He fell off a ladder.

[2315] You mean the call on a ladder?

[2316] Listen.

[2317] Yeah.

[2318] What are their problems for real?

[2319] Do we do one more call?

[2320] Yeah.

[2321] Okay, I'm going to dust off an oldie, buddy, goody.

[2322] Okay.

[2323] You ready?

[2324] Hello?

[2325] What is that thing that's talking in the It's a beep, but don't go on the bathtub.

[2326] Like, who can't go in the baths up?

[2327] That's a robot.

[2328] Robots can't go.

[2329] Who's a robot?

[2330] The robot is the one that can't go.

[2331] There's no such thing as robots.

[2332] Oh, yes.

[2333] There are robots.

[2334] In your dreams.

[2335] Yeah, fuck you.

[2336] I'm out of here.

[2337] Okay.

[2338] Wait, I want you to come back.

[2339] You know, judoed you.

[2340] He left you before you could leave him.

[2341] Oh, shit.

[2342] Um, wait, really, though, like, what's the problem?

[2343] Oh, and I'll say my friend Aaron.

[2344] Well, what's your armchair theory?

[2345] Listen, my friend Aaron Mondi, shout out, love her, best boss I ever had, sorry.

[2346] Capital E -R -I -N.

[2347] Uh -huh.

[2348] No, he doesn't.

[2349] But listen, he loves the robot.

[2350] Aaron texted me and said, Brett always laughs really hard at the robot.

[2351] Oh, so he does sound hot.

[2352] And he's hot and confident.

[2353] And so those are the types of people I like.

[2354] Uh -huh.

[2355] And those people like the robot.

[2356] So I guess those other people are people.

[2357] Oh, so you're only like hot people?

[2358] You're shallow.

[2359] You're shallow.

[2360] Listen.

[2361] I'm deep.

[2362] Are you confident?

[2363] I like humans, not robots.

[2364] Why don't you try to be in deeper?

[2365] Bye, fuck you.

[2366] Hey, I didn't like that he said that.

[2367] I know you want him back, yeah.

[2368] Fredo's got you on the run.

[2369] I don't, okay.

[2370] Hey, this fart, it smells like shit.

[2371] Bye, fuck you.

[2372] Don't kill that robot.

[2373] Stop.

[2374] Okay.

[2375] That was me. What are you going to do now?

[2376] I'm hot too.

[2377] Hot for you.

[2378] Fuck off.

[2379] Prino doesn't know what he's He doesn't know how he feels Second to second Big mix of Conflicting feelings and emotion I love you Fuck off you piece shit Oh I'm like farts in there So horny Oh fuck that robot Where is he?

[2380] That's what we found out Preyo has sexual feelings for the robot Conflicting feeling Is that robot single?

[2381] Can I have a robot smell farts Because I have a lot of them I can't Oh, stop, stop The air is sick Well, you guess that my farts Fuck off, you piece of shit Let me that robot's number Beep, beep Income of my bath, stop Stop!

[2382] Listen, it scares me Because you have like seemingly no It's maybe the true me. I know.

[2383] That's kind of what I feel.

[2384] And I don't like it because you said, fuck you a lot to me. And I think it's an excuse.

[2385] I think he's an excuse for you to say that to me. No, no, no, no, no. He's totally right.

[2386] He should listen to your heart.

[2387] It smells like shit.

[2388] Fuck off.

[2389] I can't.

[2390] I'm scared.

[2391] I'm scared of you right now.

[2392] I don't know when he's coming.

[2393] I don't like it.

[2394] I know.

[2395] You know, listen.

[2396] I only have a couple characters that when you're hearing it, I'm hearing it for the first time.

[2397] And it's a very fun zone for me. I can tell that is what's happening.

[2398] And it is so unnerving.

[2399] And I do think it's your true feelings.

[2400] No, it's every jerk in school that's in my brain.

[2401] It's the voice that's always making fun of me. and it's my it's my uh that's my the voice of my shadow oh you're stupid i'm smart listen yeah just dax yeah dax yeah um i'm really curious now what those people who hated the robot will think of freedom they love them exactly okay case in point case in point match set if you don't like the robot but you like frito you need to go to therapy.

[2402] No, I love Frito and the robot.

[2403] You can like both and or you can pick.

[2404] No. You can like both or nothing.

[2405] Or the robot.

[2406] But you can't only like Frito because then you like meanness.

[2407] Well, I don't know that that's what you like.

[2408] Yeah.

[2409] Are they laughing at Frito is an excuse to laugh at stupidity.

[2410] But why don't they like to do?

[2411] Why don't they like the robot?

[2412] Because he's too vulnerable?

[2413] I do wonder if it is there's something that's too effeminate.

[2414] That's the wrong word, but like, there's something too sweet.

[2415] And that it's, it makes them feel gay to hear it.

[2416] That's what I'm saying.

[2417] Yeah, not because they are, but just, yeah.

[2418] They gives them this feeling.

[2419] That's my hunch.

[2420] Yeah.

[2421] A, I have sympathy for someone who can enjoy something because they're so constricted by how they grew up.

[2422] That no one picks.

[2423] I know that.

[2424] If someone went and picked it, I would.

[2425] I would say fuck off.

[2426] Yeah, no, I know.

[2427] But I think if you got handed this and you're trying to break through, the fact that you're listening to this, you're already trying to break through, then that's like the line for you.

[2428] I know.

[2429] I just, but I don't like someone saying to you that they don't like a thing that you're, you've done and it's sweet and like a nice.

[2430] You know, so many things bother me. I voice them all the time.

[2431] It doesn't take much to.

[2432] bother me. I'm very sensitive.

[2433] That doesn't.

[2434] I know, but it bothers me. I know, but on your behalf.

[2435] I like the robot.

[2436] So it doesn't really matter to me. A, it doesn't matter to me that you hate the robot.

[2437] I like it and you like it.

[2438] And that's really, that's what we're here to do.

[2439] Yeah.

[2440] People seemingly like it.

[2441] They bought a sweatshirt with the robot.

[2442] It's very popular.

[2443] At least 1 ,500 people.

[2444] Yeah, at least 1 ,500 people.

[2445] That's true.

[2446] Or some people probably just were like, limited, I don't care what it is.

[2447] You know, that would be you.

[2448] Yeah.

[2449] This is the you demographic.

[2450] I'm like, what this is.

[2451] Yeah, but I can't have it.

[2452] I want it.

[2453] Yeah.

[2454] I go pretty quickly to compassion by being triggered by the robot.

[2455] That makes me feel like you're, you're so nervous about being.

[2456] I know, that makes, it does make me sad.

[2457] Yeah.

[2458] They might also find it annoying.

[2459] That would be okay.

[2460] I don't like that for some reason.

[2461] Really?

[2462] Yeah.

[2463] But we can't say anything's objectively not annoying.

[2464] So certainly it could, it could just be simply annoying and not bridled with baggage.

[2465] That's possible.

[2466] Yeah.

[2467] It's fine.

[2468] And if you don't like it, it does go on for a long time, you know.

[2469] Yeah.

[2470] I love him.

[2471] Yeah, me too.

[2472] Yeah.

[2473] Good guy.

[2474] Good little boy.

[2475] Good real boy.

[2476] It's a good real boy.

[2477] Okay.

[2478] Octavia said that, also first things first, first things last.

[2479] Octavia sent us an insane amount of incredible treats today.

[2480] Ding, ding, ding when you're recording this.

[2481] What timing?

[2482] This morning, as I'm walking out the door, they get delivered.

[2483] To your house?

[2484] Yeah.

[2485] So it's really a thank you to you.

[2486] No, no. There's a card.

[2487] It's to both of us.

[2488] Oh, I didn't see the card.

[2489] Oh, that's up there.

[2490] Oh, my God.

[2491] There's so much delicious.

[2492] I'm going to eat at least six or seven of those.

[2493] Oh, yeah.

[2494] Those are tremendous.

[2495] What's the brand on them?

[2496] Cake monkey.

[2497] Cake monkey.

[2498] Shout out.

[2499] Really good.

[2500] Delicious.

[2501] They make a high -end.

[2502] and ho -ho and a high -end ding -dong.

[2503] Yes.

[2504] So cool.

[2505] It brings me back to UCB because I used to go to the Oaks before my shift.

[2506] Yeah.

[2507] And they had cake monkey.

[2508] Did you ever have the French dip from there?

[2509] No. Outrageous, often rated best French dip in L .A. What?

[2510] It's incredible.

[2511] I never even knew they had one.

[2512] Oh, it's beautiful.

[2513] Dang.

[2514] Okay, so she talked about Tate, and she said he's just someone who's super connected.

[2515] Uh -huh.

[2516] And it reminded me that Eric once taught me that some people are super connectors.

[2517] Not super tasters, super connectors.

[2518] But you know, Eric didn't, yeah, that's Malcolm Gladwell's.

[2519] No, he didn't make it up.

[2520] He was just telling me that word.

[2521] Great, great, great.

[2522] Yeah, there's mavens, there's super connectors.

[2523] And something else?

[2524] Yeah.

[2525] Yeah, no, he didn't make it up.

[2526] He was just telling me about them.

[2527] Right, yeah.

[2528] And then I was like, oh, Tate is a super connector then.

[2529] He knows everyone and everyone knows them.

[2530] And then they build relationships quickly with a lot of people and are considered invaluable people.

[2531] They match people with opportunities.

[2532] And in doing so, they leave their connections with the positive opinion of them and their abilities.

[2533] Yeah.

[2534] Do you think of yourself as a connector?

[2535] I connect people, but I don't think I'd be a super connector because I don't meet a bunch of people.

[2536] That's the problem.

[2537] I'm not.

[2538] But I will say my friendship circle that I left behind in Detroit.

[2539] were people that I knew all individually that I slowly got to hang out.

[2540] Yeah, mostly.

[2541] That's nice.

[2542] And then some through work.

[2543] But yeah, a lot of those.

[2544] Or even Nate and Scotty.

[2545] They didn't know each other.

[2546] And then they ended up living together.

[2547] I think they were better friends than I was.

[2548] That's always the fear.

[2549] Yeah, it's a risk you're going to take.

[2550] Okay.

[2551] The doc series.

[2552] that you mentioned about a killer in Compton who killed prostitutes.

[2553] Yeah.

[2554] So there's a three -part doc called Crime Scene the Times Square Killer.

[2555] And that's on Netflix.

[2556] And it's the same person who did the Cecil Hotel.

[2557] And that's about that.

[2558] No, Times Square?

[2559] That's New York.

[2560] Exactly.

[2561] So that's not what you were saying.

[2562] But I don't know.

[2563] There's the grim sleeper.

[2564] That's it.

[2565] But that's not a doc.

[2566] There is a book.

[2567] There's a book about the Grim Sleeper and there's he's a thing, the Grim Sleeper.

[2568] But I couldn't find a dock on him.

[2569] Oh, interesting.

[2570] But maybe there is.

[2571] You want to look?

[2572] Tales of the Grim Sleeper that came out in 2014.

[2573] Oh, is that it?

[2574] He's not on Wikipedia.

[2575] It's free on Plex.

[2576] Wonderful.

[2577] Download or however someone gets.

[2578] You made that up, Rob.

[2579] I don't want to be disparaging.

[2580] Rob just made that up.

[2581] But you can probably get an, you can get an Amazon too.

[2582] Or Plex.

[2583] Or Plex.

[2584] Is that P -L -E -X?

[2585] Yep.

[2586] Okay.

[2587] On his Wikipedia.

[2588] Tates?

[2589] No, on the Grim Reaper's.

[2590] The Grim Sleeper.

[2591] His name's Lonnie David Franklin, Jr. And he's passed.

[2592] Okay.

[2593] So we are free to talk however we'd like.

[2594] He's not going to sue us.

[2595] He's not.

[2596] He was responsible for at least 10 murders and one attempted murder.

[2597] from 1984 to 2007.

[2598] Convicted for rape and sexual violence.

[2599] So there's got to be so much more because there's no way you're killing people once every two years.

[2600] Oh, wait, no, listen.

[2601] Franklin earned his nickname when he appeared to have taken a 14 -year break from his crimes.

[2602] From 1988 to 2002.

[2603] He was probably on keto then.

[2604] Probably.

[2605] Experts dispute that there was a hiatus.

[2606] It's not common.

[2607] Yeah, that seems insane that you'd get it under control.

[2608] That's how he earned his nickname.

[2609] Oh, grim sleeper.

[2610] Oh, that's because he slept with the prostitutes before he...

[2611] No. Okay.

[2612] I mean...

[2613] That would work, but it's not right.

[2614] I don't think you can say they slept together when you rape someone.

[2615] Well, no, he would pay.

[2616] Actually, I don't know if you'd pay.

[2617] They were prostitutes.

[2618] Right.

[2619] Oh, yeah.

[2620] I mean, he'd, like, get him in the car.

[2621] He'd be like, he was posing as a John.

[2622] Yuck.

[2623] And I, if your name's John, I don't mean that disparaging to you, but just...

[2624] I guess that's the original Karen.

[2625] John, yeah.

[2626] But there's also John Doe.

[2627] Like, John is out there.

[2628] Out there.

[2629] Yeah, it could be a lot.

[2630] John.

[2631] Yeah.

[2632] If I met one of your friends and I said, is he a John?

[2633] What would you think I met?

[2634] Is his name John or is he get prostitutes?

[2635] I wouldn't think I don't.

[2636] You don't trade in the word John much.

[2637] I don't.

[2638] I don't.

[2639] All right.

[2640] What do I say?

[2641] um daddy oh whoa that's what you call people who get prostitutes daddy wow wow wow that came out the way um freedom yeah we just saw some window into your soul but I'm not sure what to deduce from it I call them daddies I call them zaddies what are they called pimps Jesus pimps that's what I would say.

[2642] No, but a John is a, is a customer.

[2643] Oh, yeah, I don't even know that.

[2644] You don't know shit about the game.

[2645] I really don't.

[2646] Yeah.

[2647] I really don't.

[2648] But don't they sometimes call their Pim's daddy.

[2649] Oh, sure.

[2650] Yeah, that's why I got confused.

[2651] I love, uh, Squares love.

[2652] Oh, how's it go?

[2653] It's an idiocacy.

[2654] Ding, ding, ding.

[2655] Totally.

[2656] Triple ding, ding, ding.

[2657] I just signed an idiot.

[2658] You know, I hung out after?

[2659] Afterwards, he wanted me to sign idiocry for his brother.

[2660] Oh, cute.

[2661] So many dinghies.

[2662] So many dingles.

[2663] Dingle, dingle, dingle.

[2664] You see a pimps love is very different from that of a square.

[2665] There you go.

[2666] You see a pimps love is.

[2667] Who said it?

[2668] Upgrade the pimp in idiocracy.

[2669] You spell with two Ds for a double dose of pimping.

[2670] But all that is lifted directly from this crazy documentary.

[2671] Pimp's up, hose down.

[2672] Oh.

[2673] Type in Pimp's Up, Hose, down.

[2674] Our 1999 documentary.

[2675] And it's about this convention of pimps from all over the country that gather.

[2676] Whoa.

[2677] To talk about pimp them, a bunch of daddies.

[2678] Talking about pimpdom.

[2679] Wow.

[2680] And it's the craziest doc.

[2681] And of course, Judge was obsessed with it.

[2682] And so he modeled upgrade after one of the double dose of that pimping.

[2683] Anyhow.

[2684] By the way, I'm in this interlude.

[2685] I'm watching the dropout finally.

[2686] Yeah.

[2687] with Amanda Siegfried yeah it's great she also Liz Meriwether I didn't know she did that she did yeah that's her show and show Walter directed him wow yeah that's weird because it's not a comedy is interesting pairing all around yeah right but Maryweather writes comedy she's and it's a drama right so you got a comedic uh creator yeah and a comedic director that's why I said I know that's why I said it's weird it's not comedy right it's weird it's really good really good great Great.

[2688] She's a style icon of mine, Amanda.

[2689] Siegfried.

[2690] She is great style.

[2691] She does.

[2692] Yeah.

[2693] In fact, I saw a sweater on her, and I...

[2694] Own it?

[2695] Ordered it.

[2696] Oh, wonderful.

[2697] For Christmas.

[2698] And it's from, like, Belgium or something.

[2699] It's from another country, and they had to hand stitch it.

[2700] It hasn't arrived yet.

[2701] It won't be here for years.

[2702] I don't think so.

[2703] It's being made by one mouse on a little loom in Belgium.

[2704] him.

[2705] Anywho.

[2706] We love Octavia.

[2707] Yeah, we love her.

[2708] Beautiful gift from her.

[2709] So thoughtful.

[2710] I know.

[2711] Thank him, honey.

[2712] Thank him, honey.

[2713] I thank her, honey.

[2714] Yes.

[2715] Thank you, honey.

[2716] Oh, I love her.

[2717] I know.

[2718] She was a delight.

[2719] She's the same sweetie pie that I knew 20 years ago.

[2720] Yeah.

[2721] Totally unaffected by the Montzabal Academy Awards.

[2722] Yeah.

[2723] Yeah.

[2724] I know.

[2725] It's great.

[2726] she's awesome i can go the other way i've seen it go the other way sure fact more times than not i see it go the other way i think the odds point to it going the other way it's powerful yeah i don't even fault anyone no same yeah who was i just watching oh i don't know i think there's a doc right now on netflix about some like someone who went viral because i guess he was witnessing a murder and he got involved with his ice axe and killed this guy on the side of the road and then got interviewed by the news immediately after the thing i always talked about yeah the thing you said people quote want to happen and he was like super chill about it and he was like first of all just want to give thanks like it's crazy and then he became viral and it turns out he did an acceptance speech well yeah he's like he took the moment he had the world's attention he took the moment to spread good vibes and whatever but he had just hatcheted someone to death on the side of the road and then it turned out i haven't seen the doc but i was talking with kutcher the other night facetiming with him and um he had seen it was talking about it and he was just saying the phenomena of these people getting super famous overnight.

[2727] There's really no vetting.

[2728] Then I was just kind of ruminating or thinking about the thing.

[2729] And I was just thinking it's really not fair for anyone on the outside to be super judgmental of anyone in that situation because it's so abnormal.

[2730] It is.

[2731] It's so bizarre and abnormal and triggering like.

[2732] Yeah.

[2733] As fucking Jay -Z said, the worst drug known to man, it's stronger than heroin when I can look in the mirror like here I am.

[2734] Fame.

[2735] Ding, ding, ding, speaking of Ashton.

[2736] Yeah.

[2737] Did you see what Armchair Direct posted today?

[2738] Oh, he and I on Halloween.

[2739] Yeah.

[2740] As Bo and Luke Duke.

[2741] Okay, I was like, who are they being?

[2742] I didn't know.

[2743] Bo and Luke Duke.

[2744] Okay, got it.

[2745] With Britney Murphy.

[2746] Yeah.

[2747] His then girlfriend.

[2748] Yeah.

[2749] I wonder that.

[2750] I was like, were they dating then?

[2751] Because you were holding her leg.

[2752] Oh, she and I were.

[2753] bros. I adored her.

[2754] They were dating when I started punk.

[2755] So when I was, like, being introduced to this whole impossible other world of, like, walking straight into nightclubs and all that stuff.

[2756] It was so exciting.

[2757] Oh, my God.

[2758] She was, like, this very sweet force of, like, checking in, knowing, I think, what I was kind of seeing and experiencing at the same time.

[2759] Oh, yeah, she was so lovely.

[2760] Sad.

[2761] Addiction.

[2762] It's fucking get, it gets the best of us.

[2763] I don't like that.

[2764] All right, I love you.

[2765] I love Octavia Spencer.

[2766] Me too.

[2767] And Tate Taylor, you're as handsome as they come.

[2768] And cake monkey.

[2769] Cake monkey.

[2770] I'm gonna eat you.

[2771] And Kate Beck and Sal and Kate Winslet, all of them.

[2772] Bye.

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