Wim Hof with Jordan and Mikhaila Peterson

[0] Welcome to season three, episode 35 of the Jordan B. Peterson podcast.

[1] I'm Michaela Peterson, Jordan's daughter.

[2] This is an interview podcast filmed recently, November 2020, with Wim Hof.

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[63] Hi, everybody.

[64] I'm Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and...

[65] I'm Michaela Peterson.

[66] And we have the great privilege today of speaking with who must be one of the world's most remarkable men, someone whose work I've followed for years in astonishment, say he he doesn't seem real uh and if you meet him we've only met him briefly he also doesn't seem real then as well he's he's performed many remarkable feats um that i would say would have been regarded as impossible before he did them and so we're going to talk to him today about what those feats are and how he thinks he manages it so you want to take it away macaela sure um so you you have your method, your whim -off breathing method.

[67] You talk a lot about cold therapy and meditation, and you've done things like, had endotoxin injected into you, and you haven't had a noticeable immune response.

[68] So could we maybe start with, how did you get started with, say, the cold therapy that you teach?

[69] Yeah, and what have you done?

[70] I mean, to give the, to, give the viewers and listeners some sense of your, of your accomplishments.

[71] That way they can put your method into context by knowing what it's allowed you to do.

[72] I know you've run marathons in the Arctic and swam under the Arctic ice, but I'd like to let you discuss that.

[73] Yes.

[74] For a long time, I was a seeker, but any seeker becomes a finder.

[75] I became a finder of a way wherein I could feel, connect, deeper.

[76] I was looking through philosophies and debating into what it is to feel deeper, to have a deeper understanding of myself.

[77] And that, a deeper understanding that came not through debating and philosophize, but it came like in a moment in an instant by going after I was attracted to go into cold water I was not sure why it was a gut feeling a seeker became a finder there I went into the cold water and instantly that brought me in a deeper physiological depth of myself and it was like this is it feeling Okay.

[78] So, first of all, how old were you when that happened?

[79] And second, do you have any sense of what attracted you to the cold water?

[80] This is a gut feeling.

[81] A gut feeling got me to the cold water.

[82] After debating for years and philosophying and trying out all kinds of stuff, then at a certain moment, the gut takes over.

[83] It's there.

[84] And your gut tells.

[85] what to do but we mostly follow the thoughts and what we think of things instead of following what we feel deeply inside we get disconnected there from alienated therefrom but I followed that God feeling I went in and that is this 44 years ago and since then I every day went into the cold in all the way You know, in Minneapolis and up there in the U .S., it's also cold in the wintertime.

[86] I went every day outside swimming or walking through the snow barefoot.

[87] Sometimes I even could stay a whole night in shorts, outside, in freezing temperatures, just because I wanted to discover something that was not knowing.

[88] That was crazy according to the people.

[89] And all that, I took it on because I felt so good.

[90] And nobody can say, hey, if you love somebody, they can say, it's not good for you, that person.

[91] You go!

[92] So I went regardless of what they said.

[93] And that was for at least 25 years, until I met radio and television.

[94] And then boom!

[95] I went all over the world because apparently I had gone where nobody had gone before.

[96] That gut feeling led me into the depth of the physiology.

[97] And now it shows, now it shows, after meeting the scientists and doing first 26 world records and so many more challenges outside in hostile temperature environments, like beyond the polar circle, run a full marathon in your shorts, or swim record distances under the ice, just breath hold in shorts.

[98] Go Kilimanjaro.

[99] Also, bare chested in record times.

[100] Go climb Mount Everest to the death zone.

[101] In shorts hole, I mean, bear chest.

[102] That's the naked truth of our body.

[103] What do we do when we go?

[104] To Mount Everest?

[105] we have oxygen we have clothes 10 layers that's not a challenge if you want to challenge something in your body which is connected to your brain the neurology of the body the vascular system it's in the brain there is the steering wheel if you want to change the mind and the perception and the consciousness you got to expose yourself to the hardships of nature and learn to control fear go past to get it control 100 % of the brain's capacity because we show this now in the best of brain scans of the world Hanover one of the two best brain scans of the world we showed through these breathing techniques driven from going into the cold 44 years field work I did breathing what do you do when you go into the cold?

[106] You become alive in the depth.

[107] You nourish yourself with oxygen, with life force, and you learn how to do that.

[108] And then deeper mechanisms, they become connected to your will's neurology.

[109] Last study I did, I showed by inner brain scan, having cold water coming up on my skin, just by my thought, I could make the skin temperature, not going down.

[110] That is a deep connection with the stress mechanisms in our brain.

[111] We live in comfort zone behavior all the time, everywhere in the world, and then we ask why we have uncontrollable inflammation going on and we can't do anything.

[112] Because we never connected with the deep physiology.

[113] Nature does not want you to be sick or depressed.

[114] Because this is outside the functionality of nature.

[115] In nature, you should be happy, strong, and healthy, because you've got to be alert for the danger.

[116] There is no time to be depressed.

[117] There is no time to be in disease because you're going to be eaten.

[118] You're going to die because of the environmental stress factors and all.

[119] This is the way our physiology works.

[120] And we alienated from that because we think with our extension tools that we control.

[121] nature we do not even control our happiness strength and health we go to the moon while here on the earth we have all the stress we got wars we got pollution we don't know what we do because we lost the connection with who we are in the depth and and this is what I've been doing up till now I had pledged myself when I was 12 years I'm gonna do something about this and what What?

[122] I don't know, but I'm going to do something about this.

[123] Because I think war, pollution, abuse, exploitation, all these things, the absence of happiness, there's so much regulation, tension, stress, abuse, over with power and money, that is sick.

[124] And I'm going to do something.

[125] How?

[126] I did not know.

[127] But a 12 -year -old can be very strong.

[128] wrong.

[129] It starts somewhere and it builds up.

[130] Neurologically, I invest it.

[131] It's called belief.

[132] But now it appears to be that we found, and I'm a drop out of school.

[133] I'm no doctor.

[134] I teach doctors and I teach professors.

[135] I work with the best of them.

[136] Like right now, and right now, the last conversation I had with Dr. Captain Tracy, who was in the board, for the jury for Nobel Prize winners or medical in the medical area.

[137] He tested me in 2007 and he saw me influencing deeply into the vagus nerve and the vagus nerve that is considered to be autonomous outside of our will.

[138] If you are able to control or influence deeply into the vagus nerve, you are able to bring down inflammation, which is cause an effect of disease.

[139] We found the answers in nature.

[140] Can you describe in any way that would be comprehensible to someone who didn't know how to do it, how you manage such things as control over the vagus nerve?

[141] Yes, the vagus nerve and the autonomic nervous system, the immune system, and the endocrine system.

[142] All those were thought to be out of our willful control.

[143] In 2014, I showed, as the first one in the first one in medical science to be able to be injected and then have no symptoms with the E. coli bacteria, which can be lethal.

[144] It's a strong bacteria and it causes the cytokin storm.

[145] Cytokin storm is a inflammatory markers going berserk within our body because it doesn't not know what's happening and everything is an alarm and it can damage our system.

[146] That's a cytokin storm.

[147] That's COVID as well.

[148] That's the damaging factor of COVID.

[149] And we could not do anything against that.

[150] And then they tested me. And I showed as the first one to be injected and have no effects.

[151] And so what did you do after you were injected to to stop?

[152] Two things.

[153] Okay.

[154] I did two things.

[155] First of all, I used my mind.

[156] And I just explained what the mind is capable of.

[157] If it is connected to the stress mechanisms, our willful control, then you can give a neurosignal to the neurology of the rest of the body.

[158] To do whatever is necessary to neutralize physical impact of any kind.

[159] That is the real connection we possibly all have.

[160] but I did that then I used my will and I used breathing and this breathing technique apparently it's an amazing technique which is not knowing nowhere because I found it out by going into cold water in cold water you are directly exposed to deep stress freezing water deep stress are your body what do you do you don't think you learn to regulate biochemistry by deep breathing.

[161] You jump into cold water and then you breathe automatically, like you demonstrated.

[162] And then you've played with that breathing and learned what?

[163] I learned that through deep breathing, I was able to prolong my stay into in cold water like tenfold.

[164] How long did it take you?

[165] How many months or years did it take you to develop?

[166] Only a couple of months.

[167] A couple of months.

[168] And I could stay.

[169] I also did my breathing exercises and I could stay for five to seven minutes breath hold.

[170] That's another thing.

[171] It's not sports.

[172] It's just our capacity is much more than we normally use.

[173] Right, right.

[174] And you're making the, you're making the, you know, You're making the case that if we expose ourselves to relatively extreme stressors, that we've become more integrated psychophysiologically?

[175] Yes, exactly.

[176] Okay, so you went into cold water, and then you practiced staying in there longer and longer.

[177] And you did that, and you found that if you were able to, what, to voluntarily, would you say, cooperate with that deep breathing, that that enabled you to stay in longer and longer?

[178] Yes, like tenfold.

[179] Like playing in ice water, playing.

[180] And it was this gut instinct that drove you to experiment with this.

[181] It must have been extremely difficult.

[182] That was surprisingly not there.

[183] No difficulty whatsoever.

[184] I was ready, actually, to go in.

[185] I had debated so much.

[186] It's like, oh, get the fuck to shut up.

[187] I want to do something.

[188] You know, a moment like you want to, you are over with this minding about it or you want to feel.

[189] And so when I went into the water, I felt great.

[190] I'm having all sorts of trouble regulating my physiology for a variety of reasons.

[191] I'm very ill. And I'm very interested in your accounts of psychophysiological integration in that life.

[192] Is it autoimmune?

[193] It's, it's, um, it's damage.

[194] It's damage from medication.

[195] Oh, uh, it's a neurological damage.

[196] I can't stop myself from moving.

[197] I am right now.

[198] It's willpower that's stopping it, but I have to move all the time uncontrollably.

[199] So do this breathing technique because it works deeply on a reset of the neurology.

[200] Can you show me?

[201] What happens?

[202] I will show you.

[203] Okay.

[204] First, I explain.

[205] The working principle of this breathing technique is that we alkalize the body, we bring up the pH level so much like we spike it to 8, where it normally has to be 7 .3, 7 .4, mostly we are below.

[206] We bring it to 7 .8, 8.

[207] Right, and that's a logarithmic scale.

[208] Yes.

[209] and that is not good but it only spikes it only spikes and that activates the adrenal axis deeply they found out that the adrenal axis is spiked because of the pH spike we give it to the body you will experience it in this podcast I will show you can I do it along with you Yes, yes, of course.

[210] And you do, you guys want to do it?

[211] Yes.

[212] Tell me how you feel afterwards.

[213] Okay.

[214] We just do one round.

[215] I recommend you do it, Jordan, you do it whenever you feel anxiety or deep neurological deficiency or whatever.

[216] Okay, well, that means I should be doing it about two or three hundred times a day, I would say.

[217] I think if you do this, then it's like staying away a longer and longer time.

[218] But let's do it.

[219] Okay.

[220] Okay.

[221] Here we are.

[222] Relax.

[223] Take a deep breath.

[224] All in and let it go.

[225] All in.

[226] Let it go.

[227] I will take the telephone, then see how long.

[228] You've got to stay first round.

[229] 90 seconds, one half minutes after the exhalation without, without air in the lungs, for 90 seconds, no force.

[230] That is deeply into the neurology.

[231] You will see.

[232] Just follow me. And I will show you here on the timer that you do so.

[233] And I will talk and say what is happening because you feel it.

[234] okay all right there we go this by the way this technique and with this we change fundamentally medical science of our perspective of what we can do within our physiological depth against bacteria virus depression neurological diseases etc but now you will experience so I will show on the camera the numbers.

[235] Okay, I don't know if I can do numbers.

[236] There we go.

[237] So now you got it.

[238] Fooley in.

[239] Let it go.

[240] Fooly in.

[241] Let it go.

[242] Fully in.

[243] Let it go.

[244] Keep on going.

[245] The mind goes with the breath.

[246] Don't mind about nothing else but your breath.

[247] The mind is a big player.

[248] So let it be with the breath.

[249] Pull -in, let it go.

[250] Pull -in, let it go.

[251] Pull -in.

[252] Let it go.

[253] Keep on going, fully in.

[254] Let it go.

[255] Become light -headed, go on.

[256] Pull -y -in.

[257] Let it go.

[258] 18 times more.

[259] Pull -in.

[260] Let it go.

[261] Fooling in, let it go.

[262] 16 more.

[263] Julian.

[264] Letting go.

[265] Become lightheaded.

[266] Loom in the body.

[267] Don't mind.

[268] Just go.

[269] It takes just a couple of minutes what we do to arrive at a deep impact on our physiology, deeper than in science was thought.

[270] It's all here.

[271] Then after the feeling, because feeling is understanding, we can talk.

[272] Eight more.

[273] Just go.

[274] It's a workout.

[275] Seven, pull it.

[276] Letting go.

[277] Pullian.

[278] Let it go.

[279] Six more.

[280] Pullian.

[281] Pullian.

[282] Two more.

[283] fully in let it go fully in let it go now there comes the last one fully it let it go and stop after the exhalation close your mouth no smuggling just witness there is no need for breathing the carbon dioxide has been blown up pH level is really high.

[284] There is no trigger to breathe.

[285] Only the brain reflex, but don't.

[286] Just be in the peace.

[287] It's the parasympathetic nervous system.

[288] Deep peace.

[289] No need for breathing.

[290] Just witness.

[291] You are deep into the physiology of your being, the way nature meant it to be.

[292] Because you are right now in deep.

[293] deep stress but you were tranquil it's a paradox we are really deep into our physiology right now no force and you have changed your biochemistry and now the adrenal axis is shooting out through all the body resets the body any defect is being neutralized getting rid off ten seconds more nine six three two two one fully fully in and squeeze it to your hat three two one there we are god i hated that yeah god i hated that yeah yeah Sure, but this is the way, you know what you hate more, this neurological defect?

[294] Yes.

[295] And this is the way through deep stress activated consciously while being okay, because it's maybe alter because of the stress of the podcast and we are here.

[296] Did we hold our breath for 90 seconds?

[297] Yes, for 90 seconds.

[298] You guys did 90 seconds.

[299] It's all here.

[300] I probably did 85 seconds and took a tiny little breath.

[301] Yeah, that's what happened to me, too.

[302] This is route number one.

[303] Route number two, we would go two minutes.

[304] Route number three, two and a half.

[305] Number four, three minutes.

[306] Of holding breath exhale.

[307] Out air into lungs, yes.

[308] You got to do this.

[309] Then you will see, how do you feel?

[310] Well, I'm not wandering around the room, uncontrollably moving and screaming.

[311] So, you know, that's better than three or four hours of my day.

[312] I'm still able to stay calm and sit here and talk to you.

[313] Exactly.

[314] That's an accomplishment.

[315] Now, you've got to go even deeper.

[316] And so in four rounds, you will be able to reach after exhalation, that is, understanding principle.

[317] After exhalation means there is no air anymore in the lungs.

[318] And do you exhale completely?

[319] Yeah, almost completely.

[320] I found if you if you exhale all the way and then you kind of bring your stomach up underneath your ribs.

[321] Yes.

[322] That helps.

[323] I got taught that earlier this year.

[324] It kind of helps suppress the feeling.

[325] In yoga, that is the contraction, Udiyanabanda.

[326] It's all, you know, it's old knowledge.

[327] But this is all new.

[328] And that it is through science makes it trustworthy.

[329] It's data.

[330] It shows that we are activating the immune system through this deep stress.

[331] The adrenal axis suddenly spikes while you are in control.

[332] How many breaths did you have us take?

[333] About 30.

[334] 30 breath, and then a minute.

[335] And so with your advice is to do the 30 breaths.

[336] And the 90 minutes of breath holding?

[337] 90 seconds.

[338] 90 seconds of breath holding.

[339] Yes, around that.

[340] And what I advise is this.

[341] Go without force.

[342] So whenever you really feel the urge to breathe again, do it.

[343] Take him in.

[344] But I tell you, in four rounds, you should be able, if you just relax on that beautiful, it's a very nice couch, by the way.

[345] you.

[346] I like the golden and the cup of green.

[347] Yes, well, she spent a lot of time picking this out.

[348] You just had it delivered, didn't you?

[349] Yeah, I bought it off a very elderly lady, but I love it.

[350] It's a nice couch.

[351] And you love it.

[352] And you love it.

[353] Not bad.

[354] Yeah, that's nice.

[355] So, if you lie on the couch or at home, on the bat, you are even more relaxed.

[356] Then the tissue is able to open up more and receive even more oxygen then the pH levels they go even way up more and then it's easier to not breathe what happens when you not breathe and your pH levels actually okay they are great then there is no oxygen suddenly the oxygen drops dramatically nobody understands in the hospital because they saw this for the first time There is where normal people die, we go even lower.

[357] In doing just what we just did.

[358] Yes.

[359] If you do three minutes, you go lower than people who are dying.

[360] And so that's three minutes of breath holding.

[361] Yes.

[362] After the exhalation, that means that the oxygen, after one and a half minute, the oxygen drops dramatically.

[363] And that means that in the brainstem, The survival brain, the survival trickers, they come up with the adrenal axis, hypothalamus, epithesis, pituitary glands, and the adrenal glands.

[364] Whom!

[365] And then anything that should not be in the body is gotten rid of.

[366] It's like a fixed week.

[367] And one of the thing is the immune system.

[368] The immune system, white cells, the stem cells are activated.

[369] their rat cells, their lymphocytes, the neutrophils, the T cells, the B cells, they are all activated.

[370] Because it wants to survive.

[371] It wants to get rid of what should not be there, what is blocking.

[372] Right.

[373] So you're actually...

[374] Right.

[375] So you're actually indicating to your body that something wrong has happened.

[376] Now you come in is even a different thing is the neurosignal of your own will your intention will count at that moment it will execute what you have neurosignally demanded to your body that is the new science I showed it in Detroit you got to look it up as a doctor you can look into the paper it's called brain over body psychology over physiology it's new they say, and that's why it was interesting, to also talk to you, Father, thank you very much for having me on your podcast.

[377] Thank you.

[378] But the thing is, the psychiatrist who tested me, they saw me activating robustly an area of the brain thought of impossible by humans, which is the peri -aqueductal gray hemisphere.

[379] Oh, yes.

[380] That's involved in pain.

[381] Endocannabinoids.

[382] the opioids and the cannabinoids, the endocannabinoid system.

[383] There's an opioid crisis in the world.

[384] We found a way how to willfully activate that area, that huge consequences.

[385] Another thing, those professors, they say, we found, this is the way they stated in the publication.

[386] We now have the compelling evidence.

[387] of the key components of the autonomous processes in the brain related to mood regulation.

[388] So if we have anxiety, depression, psychosis, then something is not working well.

[389] How to bring back balance?

[390] This one does it.

[391] They say this is a transformational technique that will change mental health care.

[392] It's only a matter of time.

[393] And sorry that it is so easy, that it is so simple.

[394] Well, it's, I didn't find it that simple to do.

[395] And it wasn't simple for you to discover.

[396] That is true.

[397] It took me 40 years.

[398] Could you tell us a little bit more about the relationship between this breathing technique and the cold therapy that you're using?

[399] Yes.

[400] The cold therapy.

[401] trains the cardiovascular system.

[402] Killer number one in society.

[403] What is it?

[404] Cardiovascular related diseases.

[405] Why?

[406] Because we wear clothes all the time.

[407] We are never exposed to the elements of nature.

[408] To cold, to heat, to pressure.

[409] It's always neutral, neutral.

[410] It's like a muscle and you don't train it.

[411] It's there, but it is this.

[412] That is our vascular system.

[413] Our vascular system is hundreds thousand kilometers long inside everybody and the thermoreceptors and the electrical receptors they end up in our biggest organ of ours which is the skin we always got it covered logically we have a cardiovascular related epidemic pandemic pandemic going on for hundreds of years already and now I say cold show a day keeps the doctor away.

[414] Okay, so how cold and how long?

[415] It begins with 30 seconds.

[416] First, I explain.

[417] You know what happens when you go into a cold shower?

[418] You activate, you stimulate deeply the thermoreceptors and the pain receptor, PAY receptor, thermoreceptors, electroreceptors, which is the neurology, all connected to the skin.

[419] They, in turn, they affect the vascular system, the cardiovascular system.

[420] Millions of little muscles suddenly are stimulated.

[421] They begin to optimize that the blood flow goes a lot better through the system.

[422] That is number one.

[423] It reaches a lot better ourselves with oxygen, nutrients, and vitamins.

[424] That's why a cold shower gives you energy.

[425] Then the second thing, if you regularly, you begin with 30 seconds, then you do 45 seconds, one minute, one minute, and a quarter, et cetera.

[426] You go up to two and a half minutes a day.

[427] Why?

[428] Because that is the vascular fitness exercise, the best.

[429] then cardiovascular related diseases and that is also inflammation into the heart inflammation into our neurology is goodbye how simple what happens that the heart rate when all these little millions of little primitive muscles in the hundreds of thousand of blood vessels inside are activated optimized then the heart rate suddenly doesn't need to compensate for the loss of the vascular condition and then the heart rate will go down with 20 to 30 beats a minute 24 hours a day.

[430] You see what kind of stress that would be?

[431] If you have a weak vascular system in tone, then it takes maybe years, maybe 10 years, maybe 20 years, but it will take it's tall.

[432] Because the heart rate, when it goes up, It triggers directly the liver to release cortisol and glucose.

[433] It's like you are in fight and flight.

[434] Because the function of our accelerated heart rate is to pump glucose and adrenaline through our system the fast as possible.

[435] But now there is a constant danger signal going on because of our way.

[436] That's why cardiovascular related diseases are stereosclerosis.

[437] It's logical because the blood flow is not helped with these millions of little muscles who are weakened.

[438] They are not stimulated.

[439] And then the heart rate needs to pump 20 to 30 a minute, 24 hours a day, day in, day out, day in.

[440] Hey, man, it will take it so soon or later.

[441] So the people, they got to wake up.

[442] Cold shower, the best thing you can do for yourself is a cold shower.

[443] How cool.

[444] And then just to cold.

[445] Turn them to cold.

[446] That is creating the stimulation.

[447] You start with 30 seconds.

[448] Yes.

[449] It begins with 30 seconds because I say, don't force.

[450] Because maybe 90 % of the people go well.

[451] You guys, you will go well.

[452] Young woman, it goes well.

[453] No problem.

[454] Hey, if you have a condition, Annie, then it is because of the system, there is a defect going on.

[455] It will boost at that moment the system and it will go through a good job.

[456] So that's why I say safety first, 30 seconds to begin with.

[457] But within 10 days, anybody is able to do the same to go to two and a half minutes, no problem.

[458] Within 10 days.

[459] Within 10 days, your cardiovascular system is improved so much the way nature meant it to be.

[460] And the way nature meant it to be is that the skin is, we have skin.

[461] We have electro -receptors and thermal receptors and pain receptors all go into the skin to give us the information of what is going out at a site in life.

[462] but we would you recommend doing it up would you recommend doing this in the morning or or in the afternoon or the evening whenever you take the shower okay you take them nice and warm et cetera it's all nice but then to also take the cold water it's the best they they what they saw uh with a cold water we just recently have uh done a new study on that it really improves within 10 days the cardiovascular system, which is directly related to the neurology, by the way, the opening and closing of all those, the activating of those muscles to open and close all the veins, arteries and capillaries, I mean 100 ,000 kilometers, is done by the neurology, the nervous system.

[463] So if any de facto is there in the nervous, system, you will get to it through a cold shower increasing.

[464] That is one.

[465] Last practical question, maybe, maybe the last one.

[466] Well, so the cold shower is 30 seconds, and you can also use a warm shower afterwards, if you want, yes?

[467] Warm before.

[468] You should end with the cold shower.

[469] Yes.

[470] And then after 10 days, you like to begin with cold.

[471] which is better why because then your mind comes into play because you know you are going into the cold then you connect with the stress mechanisms inside yourself you become stronger when you know you are facing danger when you face when you go to face a a force you set your mind to it and that is what we lost in our society it's always comfort comfort comfort comfort no seek discomfort discomfort then this comfort becomes power that's the point where you are learning and there you get new power you get you go past the conditioning and that it's amazing what the cold can teach us this should be known by the whole world because now let me tell you this because besides of the psychiatry I'm working with the top research is on the DNA right now.

[472] Next month, we have the results because they see this as hormesis, hormatic exercising.

[473] That is acute exposing yourself to stress.

[474] Just for a short term.

[475] Yeah, voluntarily.

[476] Yeah, well, that's part of the heroes.

[477] And it works like a bloody vaccine, but then one without side effects, only the good thing.

[478] It optimizes our bodies.

[479] directly.

[480] Nature's got it all.

[481] So that is the cold.

[482] And they are doing the study right now on the DNA and depression.

[483] The best top researchers in America on the DNA.

[484] They are doing this in San Francisco UCSF.

[485] Professor Elisa E. Pell, mind her.

[486] If you stress yourself, they found a new way.

[487] If you stress yourself, you can change how DNA creates proteins.

[488] And in this case, and in this case, the cold shock and heat shock proteins.

[489] Not only, it goes even deeper.

[490] The telomeres are at work, the gene expression, the transcription factors.

[491] It's a big break through a new mapping as begun.

[492] They are going to investigate more.

[493] And now comes the next study, is with Professor Kevin Tracy in New York.

[494] And I will do this study with the Harvard professor, Stanford professor, and the biggest health provider and researcher of New York.

[495] They already tested me the beginning of the discussion or the podcast.

[496] I said something about the Vegas nerve, which was uncontrolled.

[497] I already showed that in 2007.

[498] But then we didn't continue.

[499] I continued then with the Radbaud University here in the Netherlands.

[500] And then we fundamentally changed science by showing that the autonomic nervous system, endocrine system, and immune system, all can deeply be influenced at will by the human in a comparative study.

[501] This was unknown in the medical science.

[502] It changed the perspective of what we can do against inflammation, which in the end is, the cause and in fact of say depression to cancer to anything so I am now sorry I got to finish this I'm now with the latest study with dr. Kevin Tracy again the professor the Nobel Prize jury a man and he is a great authority we're gonna do this with a couple of more professors of great universities to beat that what makes COVID -19 a a laughing joke.

[503] The inflammation killed 60 to 70 million people only in the West already.

[504] And we found a way to beat inflammation, which was considered to be impossible by humans at will to control.

[505] But we showed in 2014 with E. coli bacteria, first me, but then I said, no, everybody is able to do that.

[506] And I took a group of people and after 16 ,000, 134 people becoming sick with the same experimental model, then 12 people suddenly 100 % did not become sick.

[507] And then they looked inside the blood and they saw them all influencing after a couple of days into the autonomic nervous system, innate immune system, specific immune system and the endocrines.

[508] says, all systems we could not within the scientific paradigm control at will.

[509] And now, yes.

[510] And now we are going to reproduce it because it's all natural.

[511] Because it's all natural, it doesn't get out.

[512] Because this is going on.

[513] Power is going on.

[514] It's a sick society.

[515] We have to get back to our senses, independence, that is psychologically and physically.

[516] And that's why a podcast like this, they showed away.

[517] Yeah, how do you integrate the breathing and the cold?

[518] Do you do that at the same time?

[519] Can you do the breath holding in the cold?

[520] Yes.

[521] What I did in the cold, that was, I mean, when I got a group of motivated people and I bring them to my center in Poland, not there 100 people then after four days even people without former experience in the cold in four days day number four they go in short for five hours on end in freezing temperatures man women regardless the age or even condition what is that that is awakening to a innate forgotten, disconnected, power which we are born with.

[522] And I found the way to awaken it within a couple of days.

[523] So how did you train them?

[524] What did you do?

[525] Yes, every day, you know, you start.

[526] First, you explain, hey guys, there is not only more than meets the eye.

[527] It's who we are and what we are, what we are going to experience.

[528] How?

[529] I don't know.

[530] This is the way I am.

[531] started and now I found that I flabbergasted the foundations of science itself I did so many records and I went on and on and on and on and on and then I caught the eye of the scientist of the scientific world what this man is doing is not possible according science but he is doing it let's test on him and then they tested me in several ways and they thought and they saw me doing things they're considered to be impossible by science.

[532] And then I said, hey, in Poland, everybody is able to.

[533] This is the way I start with these people.

[534] First, I change their paradigm.

[535] Okay, okay, right.

[536] So you're doing the same thing to us in this podcast.

[537] Yes, exactly.

[538] And then we go out.

[539] They say, okay, now take your shoes up.

[540] Let's go in shorts, outside there is snow.

[541] that's all walk for say five 10 minutes bare foot in the snow just have fun the snowball fight something like that and everybody has fun nobody feels the cold anymore and that it's an awakening because our thought oh it's wrong it's wrong it's got to be wrong if you think it is wrong but if you take it on playful and that's what I do right then there is no thought and make it ridiculous, this hostile force.

[542] This so negative, overwhelming, called, primordially getting to us, that it is dangerous and all.

[543] I make it a laughing joke.

[544] And then you see everybody having fun.

[545] That's only in the night when they came to me after fatiguing travel from wherever they come.

[546] From Hawaii to Australia, to New Zealand, to Japan, to Russia.

[547] they all come there and it's fatiguing traveling they feel renewed and they sleep like babies that is the night number one and in the in the morning they are excited but they also like oh what happened i don't know maybe i cannot believe what happened that i boom into the breathing and then you hear the biggest yelling of releasing trauma and I go to the ancestors and everything because I know how to open up the closed -up proteins because of traumatic experiences.

[548] What do you mean that you go to the ancestors?

[549] What do you mean by that?

[550] That is anything that is genetically encrypted in our gene expressions and closed -up is because of a genetic past.

[551] Okay, so why do you specifically refer to that as the ancestors?

[552] What made you think that?

[553] Because we are the ancestors within our DNA.

[554] We carry every information of our ancestry, like 13, like possibly 100.

[555] As long as it is not solved, it's still within us.

[556] That is the mechanism.

[557] I've just written a new book.

[558] and it's not out till March.

[559] There's a section in there.

[560] There's an old mythological idea that the hero has to rescue his sleeping father from the abyss, from a terrible monster.

[561] And I construed that in the book as the ability to awaken sleeping ancestral forces, likely coded genetically, as a consequence of voluntary exposure to stress.

[562] Yes.

[563] That we come together, Jordan.

[564] This is what I do right now in San Francisco showing through bringing back the primal, primordial condition of the cell, together with the cold shock, heat shock proteins.

[565] What happens when you do that...

[566] Right, you do it practically.

[567] Yes.

[568] Yes.

[569] You do this.

[570] If you go regularly in the cold, then the activation of those cold shock proteins that are also heat shock because it's the same thing it's through the hypothalamus and it works, boom, we get connection and then suddenly you bring a protective shield around the cell.

[571] What happens inside, the war is over guys, we can go into repair.

[572] And then you're neurosignaling, we talked about neurosicling, I was able to bring a cold water on the skin skin temperature, not going down.

[573] How long can you do that for?

[574] How long can you maintain it?

[575] As long as it takes.

[576] As long as it takes.

[577] That is the power of our mind, intention.

[578] It's a real undiscovered area of psychiatry, which I have discovered together with Professor Vaibov, Divakar and Professor Otto Music in Detroit.

[579] Do you have to eat more because of that?

[580] No, no, no. Absolutely not.

[581] It's the power of your intention.

[582] Your intention is able, this is a general universal principle of our mind, only not awakened.

[583] It was not discovered.

[584] The first time somebody ran the four miles in a certain incredible time, year later, 20 could do it.

[585] That's in their mind.

[586] So what we find is if we expose it to people, then they change their paradigm.

[587] And the paradigm, this is what they say.

[588] Wim Hof has found the secret of placebo.

[589] Placebo is no longer just over there.

[590] It's now with controllable healing force whenever you need it.

[591] It's the top -down regulated interoception.

[592] It's within our will.

[593] That's the new science.

[594] And that brings us back to the ancestry.

[595] So first, we made the cell protected by a shield, activating the cold shock, heat shock proteins.

[596] Then inside the cell, you get a logically signal.

[597] Hey, there is no war anymore.

[598] Energy is not needed to get inflammation out of here or to deal with inflammation or oxidative stress.

[599] No, let's go into the close -up proteins of our ancestry.

[600] We can work it up now because now it's silent, now it's nice, now we got the energy pieces here.

[601] This is the principle, a general principle of nature.

[602] When you are wounded, you retract.

[603] But if you are in war, you can even keep on and shoot it with a lack of shot.

[604] That's adrenaline.

[605] God is all.

[606] That mode just keeps on going.

[607] That's our society.

[608] That is also wrong.

[609] There is no peace.

[610] There is no ability to retract no more.

[611] Work needs to be done daily.

[612] How do you say these?

[613] Yeah, whatever.

[614] Work needs to be done.

[615] All the time.

[616] Production.

[617] So your people in Poland, the first day you have them go outside in the cold for a long period of time with with no shoes on for example and they wake up the next day and you introduce them to the breathing if if someone's doing this at home like if if i wanted to start this tomorrow i'd get up and have a cold shower and i would i would do that voluntarily as facing the stress okay and then how would i how would i do the breathing would i do that after the shower would i do that in the afternoon when would i do that You do it whenever you are completely rested, like relaxed.

[618] Because the breathing will open up your physiology deeply.

[619] If you go into deep stress while being kind of okay, that is the breathing.

[620] The breathing exercises is a workout because the vascular system is more activated than somebody who's running.

[621] you see lately I did a research with paralyzed people amazing I can't I can't do it when I'm relaxed because I'm never relaxed oh but you can you can maybe you will directly intervene into into the neurological anxiety going on whatever is on the loose you will be able to create an extra altered current within electrical current, the nervous system.

[622] I mean, you will be able to...

[623] Does it not matter when I do it then?

[624] Like, I could do it.

[625] No, it does not matter.

[626] I mean, I was able to do it with you.

[627] Anti -stomach.

[628] If you need me, I'm there, or any time, you can call me. We have a Zoom and we do it.

[629] But you don't need me. I like to talk with you.

[630] Because you got a great experience in words and a contemplation and a lot of expertise.

[631] And I think we coincide a lot like just now about the stress, the ancestry and all.

[632] That took me like 15 years to figure out because I've read all these stories.

[633] They're ancient stories that first the core element of the hero's journey, which is the proper journey through life, is voluntary confrontation with what is unknown and terrifying.

[634] That's the human way.

[635] And one of the consequence of that is the rescuing of the dead father or the hurt father or the sleeping father.

[636] It's like it's a fundamental element of Egyptian mythology, for example, ancient Egyptian mythology.

[637] And it's part of the idea of the dying and resurrecting God.

[638] It's entangled up in that as well.

[639] And it wasn't until recently that I figured out that the consequence of voluntarily facing stress is the awakening of abilities within you that are part of our ancestral heritage.

[640] And so that is how you become a living avatar of the great heroes of the past.

[641] But it never occurred to me that that that you could find high stressors of a say physical type so close at hand.

[642] I never I never really put that together.

[643] The idea that cold stress, for example, would be sufficient to start that process.

[644] What about heat stress?

[645] I found saunas were actually useful for me. Fasting.

[646] What about fasting?

[647] Yeah.

[648] Not starving.

[649] All those.

[650] All those were great.

[651] Fasting is hormesis.

[652] Heat stress is hormesis.

[653] The cold stress.

[654] But the breathing, really, these breathing techniques, let me compare.

[655] It has been compared in brain scan studies of people doing four hours of mindfulness a day for years, they could not get as deep as a person practicing this type of breathing exercises, go into the depth of the brain.

[656] They could not get into the depth of the brain even after years, four hours of mindfulness a day.

[657] And what we did, we went deeper inside the brain than those people.

[658] So this...

[659] And that's in 30 breaths.

[660] Yes.

[661] This exercise, which began with going into the cold, it made me, that's the first thing.

[662] Then you learn that through prolonged deep breathing, you learn to control the biochemistry insight, to shake off the stressor, which is the cold, and thus prolonged time in cold water.

[663] You find it out, and it's all based on.

[664] experience and sensation and it works okay then I began to disconnect the breathing from the cold cold I still was doing etc but then I did these breathing exercises at home and they blew my mind anything that I had read in all the Asian scriptures I saw plenty oh oh oh and deeper and now I found that these breathing exercises are able to go where our paradigm of medical science thought of is impossible.

[665] And I'm showing this.

[666] You are practicing conscious control over a semi -unconscious function when you're exerting control over your breathing.

[667] And breathing is strange because it does occur unconsciously, but we can also modify it consciously.

[668] So it's right at the, it's right at the, what would you say, the border between consciousness and unconsciousness.

[669] Ah, interesting.

[670] Yes, a good point, a good point of view.

[671] And we modulate our breathing voluntarily all the time when we're speaking.

[672] And so it's also associated with the voice.

[673] Amazing, yes.

[674] That is so.

[675] And then we saw in the brain scans in Germany, in Hanover, one of the best two brain scans of the world, doing this breathing normally we have a willful control over 16 % of our neural activity in our brain and now they saw 100 % neural activation within the brain done consciously because we were doing the breathing exercises you'd recommend doing this just once a day yes this opens up the subconscious part of our brain we are able to access into our subconscious and it is only logical we don't have a hump of meat to be not within our control but we never are schooled therein and then later in life we begin to become independent and then you get to the ancestry you get into the subconsciousness you get on all that which is outside of the system which the natives had they were saying I bless your seven generations before and the seven generations, they knew all this, intuitively.

[676] Then we Westernists came, we took over their land, we stole it everywhere, in Africa, in Australia and America, everywhere.

[677] We, Europeans, that's me, the Dutch, we are very good at slavery and all that, and trading, and all that.

[678] And now comes to an end.

[679] I say, we've got to go back to our nativeness.

[680] Make sense.

[681] And making this sense spiritually with two feet on the ground is liberating the captivated souls of our forefathers, which is directly seen within the proteins within our genes.

[682] And now we are there.

[683] And I've been talking to Nobel Prize winners on the DNA about this.

[684] I'm going to ask you two questions.

[685] I just want to clarify something.

[686] So first, if I wanted to start this, I could start by 30 second cold shower, and I could also start by the same day doing 30 breaths of the sort that you recommended.

[687] And that was just full exhale, full inhale, and did you hold it?

[688] Yeah, I got a free app on my website.

[689] It's very good.

[690] Good.

[691] It says it all.

[692] All the signs is there are all.

[693] And you can get you a track of your records and your timetables and everything.

[694] Okay.

[695] And what's your website?

[696] Yes.

[697] Wimhoff is my name.

[698] Wimhoff method .com.

[699] Wimhoff Method .com.

[700] Yes.

[701] And that's where the app is available.

[702] You find the app.

[703] Well, you better you better crank up the capacities of your website because we're going to crash it.

[704] Hey, hey, hey, hey.

[705] I mean it.

[706] With all the love, with all the love.

[707] Because I respect you guys a lot.

[708] We are doing good work to the world.

[709] We want to stare up the world because it's, what is happening in the world.

[710] It needs change.

[711] And change needs to come from you, from me, you, from me. We are here.

[712] The generations are coming together.

[713] yesterday I went my oldest son is 37 my younger son is three years old I got six children so I'm also in play gardens and my son it made me stop in Amsterdam in a little play garden somewhere I had never been okay there I was and he wanted to play I had to go around again because in Amsterdam you got to go on otherwise a car's going to push you yeah so you I had to go around again and There I found a place to stop, and I went outside, seven children were there in that playground.

[714] When I came to the playground, six to 12 years, they were, the Wim Hofman, Wim Hofman, they know this shit.

[715] They are looking for something that really works.

[716] I'm a hero because I did Under the Eyes, Mount Everest, I run maritons in the desert, in the north.

[717] I hang by one finger up in the air and Reckis 26 and this and that who up and I got the signs but the children know they need a role model and I'm real I am about love I'm about to take ownership of who I am and what I am that is what I want to give my children and all the rest of the world and we should not hesitate therein your knowledge is great your efforts like what you do right now it's great work so keep on going with that and let's have a podcast again because i like what you said on the ancestry on the ancestry this is my next i'm going to write a next book too my book is doing great apparently it's already in 21 languages new york time bestseller just a couple of weeks ago and it gives you some going.

[718] What's your book's name, Wim?

[719] The Wim of Method.

[720] That's it.

[721] Well, I would encourage all the viewers and listeners of this to pick that up.

[722] Yeah, for sure.

[723] Ah, good, good, yes.

[724] And listen, viewers, we are going to change psychiatry because we think, and we have proven within the science and in brain scans and in blood proof that we are able to control our inflammation and to regulate our mood we own our own mind we have found connections and now it's a matter of time but if you are depressed or feeling bad and you cannot get out just get into this it comes from nature it works beyond works it's it's you it's your life force awaiting now it is a non -dogmatic choice because all the millions of data we got already happiness, strength, and health.

[725] Happiness is the endocrine system, the health, that is the immune system, the strength, that is energy, the metabolic processes in the cell.

[726] We got it all proven to be able to be improved by so far, far more than in science was thought possible.

[727] Here we are, to be happy, strong, and healthy.

[728] It's only logical.

[729] Wim, thank you so much for coming on.

[730] I was really excited to particularly connect you with my dad because he's been having such a hell of a time and obviously I'm a huge fan so thank you so much for talking with us.

[731] Yes, it was a real pleasure to meet you.

[732] It's an amazing respect I have for you guys and for your knowledge accumulated through your contemplations and you've got a lovely daughter and intelligent I got also two daughters.

[733] One is a psychologist, and the other one is they are both out with me. But that's good.

[734] Well, thanks again.

[735] Thanks a lot.

[736] And I would very much like to talk to you again.

[737] Maybe I'll try your method for a month and then we can talk again, or even a couple of weeks.

[738] And I can report on what it's done for me. Yeah, that's a good idea.

[739] I think this was a nice, a great beginning.

[740] Good.

[741] Very nice to meet you, Wim.

[742] Nice to meet you.

[743] Nice to meet you.

[744] Bye -bye.

[745] Bye.