'Hard Fork': An Interview With Sam Altman

[0] Hey, it's Michael.

[1] I hope you're having a wonderful Thanksgiving holiday.

[2] If you didn't catch us yesterday, let me just say, in addition to you and everyone who listens to the daily, one of the things we are so grateful for here at the show is our amazing colleagues, reporters and editors throughout the newsroom, and also throughout the Times' audio department.

[3] So yesterday and today, we're doing something a little bit different.

[4] We're turning the stage over to those colleagues in the audio department to showcase their terrific work.

[5] Today, it's our friends at Hard Fork.

[6] If you're not familiar, Hard Fork is a weekly tech conversation hosted by Kevin Roos and Casey Newton.

[7] It's excellent.

[8] Case in point, for today's show, we're going to play you an interview that Kevin and Casey did with Sam Allman, the CEO at Open AI, just two days before Allman was abruptly ousted and later reinstated by his board.

[9] If you're a daily listener, earlier this week, we covered the entire saga in our episode Inside the Coo at OpenA

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