#1345 - Steve Aoki

[0] these are pretty cool and we're live hello steve yeah that's the Kanye one that's that's the most recent that's uh this guy plastic cell fongtran he uh creates all these he hand paints each one yeah he sculpts it and then he makes uh like a mold and then uh he's got a bunch of dope ones it's all on his line and you got a book bro i do color of noise blue the color of noise yeah what's this about it's my memoir it's um uh talks about um uh talks about the beginnings it goes through my process it goes through a lot of different things I mean at the end of the day it's been more so it's more about it's less about what's happening now and more about like how I got there you know the story and different piecemeal stories that that are thematic and you know with this overarching idea of blue which is like the different shades of blue of my life it's my favorite color and actually my last name means blue tree.

[1] Really?

[2] Yeah.

[3] So it's like, there's a lot of synergy with the color.

[4] So when I was coming up with the idea to name the book, you know, I had to think of like, you know, something that relates throughout my whole life.

[5] So there's so many different shades, emotions, feelings that are represented in all these different stories.

[6] Have you always been a writer?

[7] I'm like a yeah I guess like a piecemeal writer you know I needed help finishing this book there's no doubt about it I had so much it's like you know because I've still like you know of the pen and paper still you know like I grew up before before computers and all that stuff I was when I was writing lyrics for my bands I was always like a notepad so I had just so many different stories I didn't know how to put it all together I started started the inception of writing, you know, these different stories of my life six years ago.

[8] And then I shot a documentary for Netflix and we dropped it called, it's called I Sleep and I'm Dead.

[9] We dropped it three years ago, four years ago, 2015 to 16, I think.

[10] And after I saw the reception and how people responded to the doc, then I knew that, like, you know, this is really going to take shape.

[11] It's going to be front and centers finishing and writing a proper memoir.

[12] So the idea of writing a memoir is only, the idea of writing and writing about yourself is only to write this memoir.

[13] It's not like you write on a regular basis.

[14] No, no, no. I mean, you know, like I am actually coming up with some new ideas for the next, you know, conception of what I would put out there in book form because it's a different process for me that's quite exciting just to like the challenge to do something like this because i'm my natural way to express myself is through music and um and i love being able to step outside my comfort zones i think at the end of the day when you do that enough you just you just get better as a human being yes and try you know if you always do the same thing over and over again you're never really learning so it's uh it's it's been like a great learning process you know putting out this memoir and uh And, like, actually opening up, this is a vulnerable side to who I am that I don't necessarily, I don't talk about, really.

[15] You know, like, for people that know me, like my fans or my music fans or anyone else that know Steve Ayoki, they don't really know what's in this book.

[16] You know, they might have a glimpse of it for my documentary, which I did, because I talk really deeply about my relationship with my father and, like, this drive that I have as a kid to make it.

[17] and it shows you enough where it's okay now I have a little bit more than my live shows and what's already out there but this goes you know obviously a lot deeper because it's a book and we're going through emotions and the vulnerability and and I want to tell stories of the hardships and at the end of day I want to speak to young kids out there young people out there even older people that are trying to figure their own thing out and and because the documentary related in so many ways on the personal level that I shared there.

[18] This is how I wanted to share that through my own words.

[19] Do you find that writing these things down and just thinking about your life and trying to express it in a way that's going to resonate with people, that this helps you think about it and helps you sort of categorize it and put it all in your head?

[20] Do you know Eddie Wong?

[21] Do you know who that is?

[22] Yeah, yeah.

[23] A famous chef?

[24] Yeah, yeah, definitely.

[25] Yeah.

[26] A friend of mine, great guy.

[27] And writes every day.

[28] And I asked him why.

[29] I'm like, why are you writing?

[30] He's he's written books.

[31] But he's, he writes to sort of collect his own thoughts.

[32] Yes.

[33] Yeah.

[34] 100%.

[35] It's like once you, that's the trigger for me. Because even when I read, I write right after.

[36] Like what I gain from it.

[37] Almost like it's like my note, my homework.

[38] Yeah.

[39] For retention on what I gather, it took away from what I'm reading.

[40] So I'm always like reading and writing or writing a story.

[41] scribbling in my in my book or or like writing off the side in a notepad or like now like you know like a tablet or something but it's like you need to gather your your your headspace so you have retention yeah you write to understand right yeah and then you write to express it so that other people can understand yeah and in that process you can understand yourself better right I mean that's that's how I'll sort of Eddie described it and when he said it to me I was like god damn I don't write enough like that I write more comedy stuff like trying to write material and essays on things and pull jokes out of them.

[42] Right.

[43] But, like, I think there's probably a great benefit for anybody to just sort of write about your thoughts, your diary.

[44] You know, I mean, there's something to that because in that time, I mean, you could speak to this because you've written a book on yourself, but in that time of writing about yourself and reflecting upon your life, you probably learn a little bit about who you are and why you're the way you are.

[45] Yeah, and, you know, thinking about this, I never really thought about it to this, point or found the parallel here but when I started seeing a therapist to go into my past and trying to break down what like why I make the decisions I do or like why I spiral out here or do something that I am not comfortable with or I want to change a lot of that I'm able like after these sessions I go and start writing you know and then a lot of that you know eventually makes it in the book do you write longhand or do you write on a keyboard I would do both now I do both but like I have scribbles of stuff everywhere you know but then I mean like in the end of the day for organizational purposes it's just got to go in like I got to put it in a computer yeah you know but um yeah this is a very this is my own therapy you know as you could say it's like it is putting all these stories and these memories and the feelings and the emotions and the the hardships or whatever might be you know It's like, I think the hardest part is like picking the right ones, you know, at the end of the day.

[46] When you put all this stuff together and you spend so much time on this, do you find that the process of that in any way enhances your music?

[47] Yes, it does because, I mean, when I think about, first of all, when I think about the process of making music, I think about it very similar to what you're doing when you're, when you write for your comedy skits and you're efficient.

[48] You're like, okay, this is going to work because I'm going to be able to share it this way.

[49] You're not just writing your thoughts down, right?

[50] So like when I'm in the studio, I'm very efficient.

[51] You know, I'm like, I'm going and going, I'm going to make a club banger just for the festival so the crowds go crazy.

[52] And it's less about the emotional message.

[53] You know, with this being able to talk about that side, that adds that other layer that I'm seeing now more than ever in the last like three or four years.

[54] I started making songs with lyrics that actually, you know, I've seen the fans come out and drove saying how much it's gotten them through hard times because the lyrics were able to speak to them a certain way.

[55] So it's, and that's the essence of collaboration at the end of the day, you know, working with songwriters and singers.

[56] And being able to be pulled in that direction is incredible as an artist, you know, instead of just having like, all right, we're making this record to make everyone go crazy.

[57] essentially electronic dance music is all about the music it's not about you know the touching lyrics they might be like the flavoring on top but the foundation is all about the beat you know but now it's like about mixing both worlds as much as possible you know because at the end of the day when you think about my shows it's a very full on experience like when I put on a show I'm trying to like I'm trying to compound all the senses You know, I want it to be entertaining as hell.

[58] I want it to be fun, engaging.

[59] I want you to leave knowing that you saw a Steve Ayoki show.

[60] So that's why I try to do different unique things like, you know, I cake people.

[61] I don't know if you know this, but I cake people at my shows.

[62] Cake them?

[63] Like you hit them in the head with cakes?

[64] Yeah, I would say the head, but yeah.

[65] But this is all consensual, by the way.

[66] So I'll give you a little story of this.

[67] So, you know, I think as you are.

[68] on the stage all the time you want to make your skits you want to make your everything that you do unique to joe rogan you know like you don't want to be like oh yeah he's a copy of this person no one wants to be that you know so i'm thinking like what am i going to do that's going to be unique and different engaging um hey ho you know like everyone's doing that everyone's doing that everyone sit down and everyone jump so you know i'm like you know your brain's always thinking so i got an idea after a song uh that i released on my label I have my own label.

[69] And we released this artist where the video was cakes exploding in people's faces.

[70] Super slow motion, high -deaf, really beautiful.

[71] And then I was like, you know what?

[72] I'm going to go to a bakery.

[73] I'm going to buy a cake.

[74] Scribble like the song on the top of the cake.

[75] And let's just see what happens.

[76] It'll be a funny little thing, you know.

[77] And I brought the case to 2011, mind you.

[78] So this is seven years or however long ago that was it, you know, a long time ago.

[79] do the math anyway so it was a long time ago and I walked around the front of the stage and one of the kids in the front one of the guys at front was just like why is he walking around the front like am I supposed to like grab it and then he just starts pointing at his face and then all his friends around him are pointing at him and the whole place was just staring and waiting and watching and wondering what the hell is going to happen so I kicked him we filmed it before this is pre -instagram put it up on YouTube it's like I gotta do it every show this is incredible and then six months later people started coming out with cake me signs six years later look at this okay here we go so six years later like i think i've caked over 15 ,000 people now you know oh my god geez look at it go crazy you had it right in the mug too dude perfect shot i'll tell you i mean you know it's just practice makes perfect you know yeah you've thrown 15 000 cakes i get you get a you get a feel for it look at her.

[80] She's dancing, wiping it up.

[81] Let me see one more time.

[82] This is like, that was ultra.

[83] Boom!

[84] Oh my goodness.

[85] We have a cake rider.

[86] We have very specific cakes at our, you know, at our show.

[87] You have a, it's like a special Aoki cake.

[88] What is in it?

[89] The strange thing is there's like not as much cake as you would think.

[90] It's just like frosting.

[91] It's just, so it just explodes everywhere.

[92] So it's less bread.

[93] Yes.

[94] So like less carbs, more sugar.

[95] I'm like, if you're diabetic, just get out of the front row, please.

[96] What a crazy thing for people to enjoy, too.

[97] Yeah.

[98] Caked in the face.

[99] Yeah, but he was having a good fucking time.

[100] That's the, because that's the most important thing at the end of the day.

[101] Look at this cake made with a bull's eye.

[102] Okay, this is very normal for me to see.

[103] You know, like, in some cases, there's like 50, 50 people with signs up, you know, so crazy.

[104] Look at that cake face.

[105] One of the other, well, I want a cake in my face.

[106] Yeah.

[107] I mean, it's just a, it's a signature part of the show.

[108] It's fun.

[109] It's exciting.

[110] Dude, I need to go to one of your shows because everybody that I know that's been says it's a wild experience.

[111] It's not just music.

[112] It's just there's something, you're doing something transformative, you know, that people come out of there.

[113] They're just like, woo, they're buzzing.

[114] Yeah, yeah.

[115] That's the goal, you know.

[116] And if I feel like I'm doing that, if I feel like I'm really having this impact, then I go.

[117] that that's why I end up doing like so many shows because I on average I'm doing about 250 shows around the world every year that is so crazy and I do this I've done this consistently for over 12 years so it's it's a it's not like an artist that just drops an album and then they tour like around the world for a year or two like I'm on I'm on a worldwide tour you know every every single year is that sustainable how how's your body holding up I know you work out a lot yeah really in health and wellness and all that stuff, but that seems insane, particularly with all the travel.

[118] It does.

[119] I mean, you have to, you have to, like, treat yourself like an athlete, that's for sure.

[120] The way I think about my regimen is different, you know, and I, and I'm, like, obsessed with trying out new ideas using myself as a guinea pig to work with different scientists, sleep doctors, you know, different people in various fields that are testing new ideas to, like, deal with jet lag or things that I'm dealing with that they're on the road that can wear you down and make it not sustainable.

[121] Do you do IVs?

[122] Like stem cell?

[123] No, no, like vitamin, like vitamin drips or anything like that.

[124] Not as, no, I don't.

[125] But I, you know, like at one point I was, I wasn't down the same.

[126] same road as Ray Kurzweil doing 250 vitamins a day, but I was probably, you know, experimenting with about 50.

[127] Have you met him?

[128] I have.

[129] He's an interesting dude.

[130] Yes, he has.

[131] He's quite a trip.

[132] Behind his eyes.

[133] There's a lot going on.

[134] Yeah, absolutely.

[135] And, uh, I mean, my, so like, I have a whole album series called Neon Future.

[136] So I have Neon Future, one, two, and three that just came out my album, my albums in each album.

[137] Um, I actually work with a scientist on a song.

[138] Oh, wow.

[139] So I had Ray Kurzweil on one so he's talking on a song about like life expansion life extension um big singular not not necessarily singularity not but like i'm a big fan of the idea that we can live indefinitely i'm an enthusiast of that world i might not i'm not definitely not an expert but i'm an enthusiast for sure yeah and i got jj abrams on two i got obri de gray on two who wrote the book ending i've had him on as well yeah yeah and like i interviewed him i went to i went to raise ray Kerswell's apartment in the Bay Area.

[140] Me too.

[141] So, I mean, I know that we have a lot of synergies on the science and tech stuff.

[142] And three, I'd Bill Nye.

[143] Oh, wow.

[144] And four, which is coming out next year, I'm having my favorite author on the album that I've read so far.

[145] So I'm very excited to have.

[146] You know, I might as well announce it here if I'm going to announce it anywhere.

[147] Okay.

[148] I haven't announced it yet.

[149] But Yuval Harari.

[150] Oh, wow.

[151] I love that guy.

[152] Yeah.

[153] Sapiens is amazing.

[154] Yeah, Sabia is my favorite book.

[155] I'm on the second one right now.

[156] Yeah, I was just finished Homo Davis and, I mean, he has a very, like, see, I think of the future very positively.

[157] It's a neon future.

[158] Yeah, he doesn't think of it so rosy.

[159] Yeah, but, you know, I like his, I like his analysis and, you know, the way he's trying to understand how we've evolved or pushed outwards.

[160] Yeah.

[161] And I agree with a lot of what he's saying.

[162] Well, a lot of what he's saying is irrefutable, but what's interesting is the way he sort of coalesces it, the way he combines it all.

[163] And you really get a sense of, wow, that this is what a person is.

[164] Like, this is how it all went down, you know?

[165] He's a brilliant guy, too.

[166] I've seen him interviewed.

[167] A really fascinating character, you know?

[168] Yeah, yeah.

[169] And Aubrey de Grey is a trippy dude, too, because he drinks so much.

[170] I know.

[171] I've hung out with him and, like, pint after pint.

[172] I'm like, hey, man, aren't you supposed to be the fucking.

[173] wellness, longevity guy, but he's so entrenched in science that he thinks that the solutions are going to come through the laboratory.

[174] He doesn't seem to exercise.

[175] If he does, I think he just rose a boat.

[176] Have you seen that?

[177] He like rose boats around the harbor wherever he lives in England and he drinks.

[178] I think it's in his beard though.

[179] The booze?

[180] The beard is his like magical wizardry you know but actually that's against science but but uh yeah he's a very interesting guy he jump i have a phone pit in my house he jumped in my phone pit watching a 50 year old man with a beard down to his below his nipples jump into a phone pit it's actually pretty cool that is cool a scientist as well you know just like you know it's that's cool that he's willing to be silly yeah yeah exactly you know like and i i have a uh you know i have the a yoki foundation which i'm wearing it's i'm obsessed with the human brain so all of our money that we raise goes to brain research organizations, brain science orgs, but also like orgs that deal with anti -aging or anything that's interesting that relates to, you know, living longer, healthier lives.

[181] And one of which is Ascens org, which is Aubrey's org.

[182] Have you ever heard, you do know who David Sinclair is?

[183] Remind me. He's a Harvard professor.

[184] He's on the podcast next week.

[185] He's been on before, but he is at the front of the line of anti -aging technology.

[186] And the podcast I did with him was incredible.

[187] He's a brilliant, brilliant guy.

[188] Dealing with things like N -M -N and, you know, and NAD and all these different drip infusions and concoctions and molecules that lengthen telomeres enhance the, you know, the body's ability to regenerate and age much slower.

[189] Really, really interesting stuff.

[190] I mean, I love that stuff.

[191] Yeah.

[192] Yeah.

[193] So how did you get in this because you're thinking about your own mind or is this just something you've always been fascinated by?

[194] I think it started when after my father passed away, seeing the death of your father, he died of cancer, but it started with hepatitis C from a boat accident he had in like the late 70s.

[195] The boat accident gave him hep C. Yeah, blood transfusion.

[196] Oh, wow.

[197] And then he, I mean, he was surviving with Hep C for decades, changed his interferon and the things that were keeping going.

[198] Before there's a vaccine or cure.

[199] This is all before then.

[200] I'm not sure if there is, but I'm almost positive there is.

[201] Yeah, I think there is.

[202] I think it's a very expensive, involved process.

[203] But that, like, hurts, you know what I mean?

[204] it's like someone dies close to you and then like something like that happens yeah so this is all happening right and i see him die and i'm also like you know i think i know about health i'm vegetarian you know this down the other i'm like sort of healthy but after i saw him die i read books on cancer i sort of reading like try to research like what could i've done to help my father and i still have people in my life that I absolutely love that I want to learn and share like my mother like you know anyone else that's like close to me that's getting older and then it just I just I just went on this like bender like you know reading books on anti -aging and then you know I'm really big sci -fi nut so if anything I love living between the world of science fiction and science fact and finding out in that gray area what is going to be science fact in our, you know, as long as I'm alive, you know, and there's a lot of things happening because I do agree with that curve that we are not moving at a linear rate, you know, we are moving, I don't know if it's exponential, but it's definitely between linear and exponential with technology, with what we're learning in science and medicine, and as I'm learning more about this stuff, my music career is also raising my platform as a person.

[205] personality is also getting raised.

[206] So then now, I get to go and make a phone call to Ray and he'll answer.

[207] And I could get to meet him.

[208] And then I want to have fun, too.

[209] So I'm like, let's make a song.

[210] Let's do a video.

[211] Let's do an interview.

[212] So I created this whole Neon Future session so I could meet, you know, Stanley, rest in peace.

[213] Like, I got to meet him, hang out with him, did an interview with him, took some photos.

[214] Stanley Marvel.

[215] Who's Stanley Marvel?

[216] Stanley, the Marvel comics.

[217] Oh, Stan Lee.

[218] Yeah.

[219] Oh, okay.

[220] I'm just going across the board here.

[221] I was like, who's Stanley Marvel?

[222] But, you know, I'm like, I just went across the board of all the people outside of my music space that I can talk to science people, science fiction people, J .J. Abrams to like, whoever might be.

[223] Even authors of books I've read like Richard Dawkins, I flew to Oxford University and I sat with him.

[224] Oh, that's great.

[225] And I talked to him.

[226] And he was like, I don't know why I'm here with you, but someone told me I should be, you know.

[227] I think I'm going to get the same response.

[228] He's supposed to be coming on next month.

[229] I'm really excited to talk to him Yeah, it's like Did you talk to him after his stroke?

[230] No, this was I remember him riding his bike to the interview which was kind of cool seeing Richard Dawkins ride his bike felt like Albert Einstein was coming at me or something You know, because he's kind of like that kind of like He has an allure with him Yeah, he does But that was 2015 -16 I think so That sounds like around when he had his stroke Okay, I mean, I actually wouldn't.

[231] Find out when he had a stroke.

[232] He's recovered very well, though, apparently.

[233] He still has some residual issues.

[234] Oh, wow.

[235] So this is definitely pre -stroke.

[236] May 2016?

[237] Yeah, so this is pre -stroke.

[238] Pre -stroke.

[239] The crazy thing is I did all these interviews with all these different people.

[240] Didn't actually post them up online.

[241] Why?

[242] We did two with Wired Magazine.

[243] We did, the one with Ray Kurzweil and the one with Stan Lee.

[244] And I had, like, the rest lined up.

[245] But we wanted to, you know, like, present.

[246] them the right way and you go yeah oh wow it's actually you're you're great on the internet jamie's the best um that's cool is that in his office no we got um oxford university gave us this room you know and uh i took it over that's awesome with him do when you talk to kerswile did you get into his idea of being able to download consciousness um no we didn't get that far But I would love for you to tell me more about that.

[247] It's a weird one because we went to this, I think it's called a 2045 conference in New York City.

[248] And the idea behind it is that they think that somewhere around 2045, there's going to be some sort of technological singularity with the exponential growth or perceived exponential growth, whatever it is, the leaping, the new innovation, creating these new possibilities that somewhere around 25, 2045, there's going to be.

[249] be so many changes and so many new innovations that they believe they're going to be able to put your consciousness either into some sort of a hard drive, some sort of a quantum computer, or perhaps even a physical embodiment of a Steve Aoki.

[250] Like you have an artificial Steve Aoki.

[251] Like a sleeve.

[252] Yeah.

[253] And then your actual brain right inside this thing.

[254] So as your body dies, now you will exist in this whatever the fuck it's made.

[255] out of right you know and he thinks he's going to be able to do that you know he's got a really bizarre motivation to his father died when he was young and he didn't really get to know him that well and he has all these images and all these and he thinks that he is going to be able to in some way shape or form recreate his father and have some sort of a reasonable facsimile some sort of yeah like a way to communicate with his dad like actually have his with all the memories that he has of his father, all the video and images and actually recreate his father to have a communication with him.

[256] It's very weird stuff.

[257] Yeah.

[258] Well, I mean, I think a lot of these those storylines get drawn out in sci -fi.

[259] Yes.

[260] Because that's essentially where we want, like, we want to go without any issues and problems and backfire and no like Black Mirror episode, you know, kind of blunder.

[261] Because I mean, we are definitely going in that direction.

[262] We're going on somewhere weird, for sure.

[263] We're 100 % going there, and there's no stopping it.

[264] No way.

[265] Everybody's buying new phones and new technology, and we're pushing it as far as we can.

[266] There was a guy, I think it's from the University of Connecticut.

[267] He is the preeminent researcher on time travel, and he is right out of a fucking Spider -Man comic book.

[268] His dad died when he was young, same sort of situation, and he wanted to figure out a way to go back in time and save his dad.

[269] So he's literally trying to come up with a workable theory for time travel.

[270] That's the gentleman.

[271] What is his name?

[272] Dr. Ron Mallet.

[273] Yeah, Dr. Ron Mallet.

[274] And it's right now, I mean, he's got a working theory, but it becomes a matter of having enough energy to actually pull this off.

[275] But the idea behind it was all inspired by his father dying, and he thinks he's going to be able to, or some way.

[276] one may be able to go back in time.

[277] But when you hear stories like this, right, when you hear the story, because I know this is like what you do, you get to talk to all these people.

[278] Do you believe them to a certain extent?

[279] And then you like, you go, because for me, I need the scientific understanding.

[280] You know, like, I'm not too much into the paranormal.

[281] I need to like understand to see if this actually is conclusive.

[282] Well, I think he found out something unfortunate in that the idea is, far as time travel as we know it will only exist from the time the time machine is invented forward and backward to that moment the idea like terence mckenna described it the idea that you cannot travel where there are no roads and so once a road is established then things get really fucked up because if you create a time machine as leases in terms of what they understand or what dr mallet believes about time travel right now and i hope i'm not butchering i'm sure i'm in, but I hope not butchering too bad.

[283] You can only travel back to the moment the first time machine is invented.

[284] So once that door is open, then time ceases to become linear.

[285] Anything from the end of time till the invention of the time machine happens all at once.

[286] Because anyone can come back to that moment because a time machine exists now.

[287] It's made.

[288] So, of course, they're going to innovate.

[289] Anyone in the future is going to innovate.

[290] These people that do innovate are going to have a much, much superior version.

[291] version of this time machine and everyone is going to be able to go back to the moment that the time machine is invented in any point along the way from the end of time to the beginning of time from the moment that time machine is invented so in that case if that really is the case has a time machine been invented I don't think it has why well I could be wrong yeah but what's your like I think everything is going to be completely fucking gonzo you're going to have people appearing and disappearing and and showing up and going and it's a normal thing it's like oh yeah he's traveling through time it's just how not only that like all events say if like you wouldn't would you know that but if you was a world war five but if you was a world war five a hundred years from now and you were like fuck this i'm going back in time a hundred years before world war five and i'm just going to live there and they do they decide to do that or world war three or world war four they just keep going back in time and forward in time you could go if you had a time machine and the time machine was and again i'm butchering this I'm a moron.

[292] I'm not a scientist.

[293] If you had a time machine and time machines existed from now until, you know, the perceivable end of the lifespan of the earth, right?

[294] When the sun supernovas and there's no more life left on earth, you could kind of go anywhere you want from now to a million years from now, as long as there's a place to go.

[295] Right.

[296] As long as there's a time machine available.

[297] And the idea is that time as we know it will cease to exist because our time now is depended on, you know, our biological entities waking up, moving forward.

[298] What time is it?

[299] Oh, it's three.

[300] Are my meetings at five?

[301] Better hurry over to downtown.

[302] Travick's rough this time of day.

[303] All that stuff's going to be nonsense if there's time machines because you're just going to be able to move anywhere you want at any point in time.

[304] Sounds ridiculous, but so does the Internet.

[305] Have you brought the Internet up to some guy who lived in Victorian times and say, look at this.

[306] This is my phone and you can ask it a question.

[307] It'll give you all the answers.

[308] Anything you want.

[309] That would be the most astounding form of witchcraft ever invented.

[310] And now my 11 -year -old daughter has one of those.

[311] Yeah.

[312] You know, she asks that thing questions all the time.

[313] She gets answers to stuff all the time that we used to have to go to a library for them.

[314] She could watch videos that just come out of the air.

[315] Yeah.

[316] That's magic.

[317] Yeah.

[318] And but it's, we're accustomed to it.

[319] Right.

[320] We adapt very easily.

[321] So the idea is that what this would do is change every aspect of reality as we know it in terms of like linear time it would no longer exist but would would only those people that know how to use a machine have access to it well i mean wouldn't it be like cell phones eventually everybody gets one and we're talking about time right so if everybody gets access to it a year from now or three years from now it doesn't matter because the time machine's already been invented so they could travel back to that moment and forward from that moment so the moment they turn that fucker on everything goes haywire wow so let's so let's not turn that thing on it's inevitable people press buttons well they want to see if they can even make that happen i used to have a bit that i used to do about the big bang because they were trying everyone's always tried to figure out like what was the universe like before the big bang like what what happened how was it created and when you look at the progress of technology my thought was that if you look at where we're going and we're constantly innovating and people are constantly coming and people are constantly coming up with new and more impressive forms of technology that one day we're going to create a big bang machine and that this is what happens that every five billion years or so things get so intelligent they develop a big bag machine and they sit around these dudes are on red bull and Xanax and simulation and one guy goes I'll fucking press it and he hits the button and boom the whole universe starts all over again and if you had a big bang machine and you knew that if you pressed it within five billion years humans would create another big bang machine this is an endless cycle would you press it fucking for sure there's someone that would press that button yeah there's 100 % a person out there that would press that button yeah no i i heard more about the simulation idea well that's another that's another idea but that's yeah Elon believes that he believes that it's very possible like like one of the things they said if you could ask a i what would you ask?

[322] He said, what's beyond the simulation?

[323] Like, he believes this is a simulation.

[324] But if you're Elon Musk, of course you'd believe it's a simulation.

[325] People are letting you drill tunnels under L .A. and shoot rockets off into space and you're making electric cars.

[326] Fucking solar roof panels.

[327] I mean, he's literally living like some character in a movie.

[328] He's like Professor X or something.

[329] Yeah, but if you're in the simulation, there's nothing you can do about it, right?

[330] So you might as well just do it all.

[331] So it's a great way to think about life.

[332] Right.

[333] Right.

[334] What is a simulation if everything is a simulation?

[335] It's still life, right?

[336] Like, your existence is still everything you're accustomed to and everything you experience.

[337] And if it is a simulation, at least some aspects of this are comfortably or comfortingly, like, obvious.

[338] Like, work hard.

[339] You can get better at things.

[340] You can, you know, be nice to people.

[341] They're nice to you.

[342] Like, be a good friend.

[343] You get good friends.

[344] eat healthy food you're healthier there's there's like some comfort to the lack of i mean there's there's certainly some variables that are very difficult to account for but there's also there's a surprising amount of life that's pretty straightforward so if it is a simulation it's not the most difficult one to follow it's pretty crazy and chaotic but there's there's a lot of comfort in it.

[345] Like as much as we try to dwell on the horrors of humanity, and certainly a lot of them, because it has a lot of beauty in people, too.

[346] And there's a lot of cool shit in people.

[347] Yeah, I mean, when you focus on that, then there's real growth.

[348] I was at the comedy store last night until like 2 o 'clock in the morning in this comedian's bar, just hang out with all these comedians.

[349] We're just laughing and talking and there's no audience, just a bunch of people that get paid to make people laugh.

[350] Like, John Stewart was back there, Michelle Wolf, and these really funny comics we're all just laughing having a great time and talking and it was like wow this is so nice and it's so fun it's rewarding it's like there's cool things in this life yeah if you can find good people and friends and and communicate and and spread love and have interesting fascinating thought -provoking conversations there's a lot of really positive things right so if this is a simulation it's a pretty badass simulation for steve aoki yeah definitely And for Joe Rogan, too.

[351] Yeah, out there kicking people and shit, you know, making a brain foundation.

[352] I mean, what a fucking great simulation you're in.

[353] Absolutely.

[354] I think, yeah, it's like you can make what you want of it.

[355] I mean, it might not be the dream like the Elon Musk scenario right away, but it takes time to get there.

[356] Well, you don't want that dream.

[357] I don't want his dream.

[358] Yeah, exactly.

[359] His dream's crazy.

[360] Well, I mean, his dream of like, I mean, like you said, he's like almost a superhears of, he's Bruce Wayne.

[361] You know, he's doing whatever, you know, he's Iron Man, you know.

[362] Well, you know, some cars have small engines, right?

[363] There's Honda Civics out there, and then there's fucking rocket cars.

[364] He's got some sort of crazy quantum rocket car engine for a brain.

[365] Yeah.

[366] Have you talked to him?

[367] No, I haven't.

[368] He's a trip.

[369] He's actually on the list of people I would love to be in the studio with to make music with and, you know, just get into his mind a bit.

[370] I've been putting that out there to the universe.

[371] He's one of those guys that when you're talking to him, you have this feeling that he's running code in the background, and why he's talking to it.

[372] I think he just gets bored with like regular mundane conversations and he's got 50 million things going on constantly.

[373] And he's also trying, like he was talking about it to me about how difficult it is to manage his mind.

[374] Like you wouldn't want to be me. I'm like, oh, Jesus Christ, he thought he was crazy when he was younger because he like so much was bouncing around in his head and he realized that other people weren't like that and he's like, oh no. I'm alone.

[375] Yeah, I mean like, literally he's probably alone who the fuck is like that guy right in terms of like a public intellectual who's responsible for so many groundbreaking technologies you know the number one electric car in the world like space x tunneling under l a boring company and like he's a crazy man yeah fast thank god he's around though yeah i know you know people like that it's so cool to have like a true outlier you know someone is just really out there and oh man he's constantly attacked and maligned and people are misrepresenting him and you know people like all the crabs in a bucket don't like it yeah trying to pull him down like yeah too goddamn smart all these people that fancy themselves smart you meet that guy you're like oh okay there's levels of this game yeah no he's he's like the top of my list just so you know being his presence but i think it'll be very exciting to try to do a song with elin musk i'll ask him well after the podcast i'll say i'm a text message so he's probably busy yeah yeah i could i could always make it as easy as possible yeah just go to space x or tesler or wherever yeah so what in particular are you doing with this brain foundation um i mean i think one of the most important things is inspire people more about brain the brain you know like uh i mean obviously it's to raise money for brain research uh for one finding cures for degenerative brain diseases and two just understanding the brain working with orgs that want to understand the brain more so that we can expand what our limitations are, you know, in the conversations that we're talking about, you know, bring some of the science fiction and the science fact.

[376] You know, I love this idea that, like, you know, telekinesis is when you can move things with your mind.

[377] Isn't that possible?

[378] It already is.

[379] Really?

[380] Not like in the supernatural sense, like Magneto, you know, it's like, you know, there's, I mean, it's happening like five.

[381] years ago people moving wheelchairs with their with like uh implanted implanted yeah exactly i'm not sure the right terms but i've seen the videos you know like a monkey being able to move uh an arm to its mouth to eat the apple yeah those were those happened like 2013 or 14 or fact check that but it was not 2019 it was like years ago so whatever they're doing at DARPA whatever they're doing it like Google, whoever's got these research orgs and labs, I would love to jump in there and just put my ear out there and just listen and find out what's going on.

[382] And, you know, because I have my own interest and passion on what the breakthroughs are.

[383] And I would also love to try some of these things.

[384] Do you think they let you?

[385] Sometimes, I mean, listen, you got to try.

[386] I think Boston Dynamics might be your best bet, the robot people.

[387] Yeah.

[388] They might let you in.

[389] But DARPA's Darpa won't let me in, obviously.

[390] They will not let me in.

[391] You're going to have to sign some paperwork.

[392] But I want to get into as many doors as I can on any of this kind of stuff.

[393] And that's like my own personal gain.

[394] But also with the brain org, it's just the brain foundation.

[395] It's just to help out the smaller orgs, too, that are, one, finding the cures.

[396] Because at the end of the day, what I've learned is that if you don't, die of cancer or heart disease you're going to have a brain degenerative disease you're going to go crazy you're going to you're going to lose your memory you're going to deteriorate yeah and you know years down the line we're going to be able to literally turn our body into like a used car and change all the parts yeah but you know if you start losing your memory then you start losing who you are did you talk to kurswile about this uh yes it wasn't it wasn't it was was years ago.

[397] So I'm trying to remember even like the interview that we did.

[398] But I, you know, I went in deep on a lot of the anti -aging stuff.

[399] And, you know, I think the struggle that he's going to have is if he's going to make it to 2045 because he's 70 or something, right?

[400] Right.

[401] Yeah.

[402] And he has a heart.

[403] He has a genetic defect with his heart.

[404] So, but I mean, he's just like one of those like those heroes of mine that was lucky to be in his.

[405] his space, you know, playing on his Kurzweil keyboard.

[406] Did he invent it?

[407] Yeah, the synthesizer.

[408] That was a moment.

[409] We're both on the keys.

[410] He invented speech to text, too, didn't he?

[411] Yeah.

[412] I mean, he's invented more than 100 really significant inventions.

[413] Yeah.

[414] Fascinating guy.

[415] Absolutely.

[416] Yeah.

[417] But can we squeeze 25 more years out of him?

[418] Yeah.

[419] Yeah, his biological life to get to 2045.

[420] Because if he's going to, like, he's going to be the, one that's going to really push that envelope part i think he's if there's anyone out there that's why i'm you know it's it's clearly obvious why google picked him up yeah you know and had him like head the whole i forgot what the department's called but you know well didn't google buy boston dynamics as well they bought a robot company i know that which is like what are you guys planning you can control everybody's email you have the number one search engine on the planet earth you have the number one browser like what are you guys doing what are you doing over there yeah you're making robots but don't you want to be in the room yeah you want to be in the room but you know some of their choices are a little bit questionable it's there's so much there's there's science but then there's so much there's social decisions you know that they're making in terms of like what people get to see and talk about and here and a lot of is based on the zeitgeist it's based on, you know, the current state of politically correct ideology, what you can and can't say or can and can't do, and that becomes really dangerous because you're kind of controlling information, you're throttling information.

[421] Like, you know, Tulsi Gabbard is suing Google for, what is it, like, $50 million or something crazy like that?

[422] They say that they purposely stifled her search engine results so that people wouldn't be able to find her as easily, and they've, she's apparently proven it.

[423] Wow.

[424] Excuse me. um so it's not a pure information based company there's ideology behind it there's motivations behind it that you know politically leaning motivations right you know so i don't know yeah when it goes into that when he goes into that world i'm like oh i you forget about that sometimes when you're like i want to be in the breakthrough rooms you know well there was an internal memo that were they were referring to Ben Shapiro and someone else.

[425] I think it was Jordan Peterson and maybe Dennis Prager as Nazis, which is hilarious because both Ben Shapiro and Dennis Prager are both Jewish.

[426] So it's like their perception of who a person is.

[427] This was brought up, this is brought up by people in Congress.

[428] Like they had to have hearings on it.

[429] I'm trying to figure out like, what is Google doing?

[430] Like, what are you allowed to, how are you allowed to define people internally in your memos?

[431] And then, of course, once you call someone a Nazi, then you can act as if they're a Nazi and, you know, stifle any sort of search on them or stifle results or, you know, point people in the direction that you think would be better for humanity versus just pure information.

[432] And it gets very weird, you know.

[433] But as a technology company, look, they're amazing.

[434] Just what they're doing with Android and Google searching and Google Assistant.

[435] and Google Maps is by far the most the superior map application on the planet Earth and it's constantly getting better and constantly gathering up new information I mean part of me loves the fact that they exist and part of me is like that is too much power has too much power for one one company to be able to influence people one way or the other so what's the Joe Rogan solution is something like that regulations no I'm too stupid for this I need to rely on people that have actually spent real time studying the effects and understand it from a very deep level.

[436] I don't.

[437] I understand it that it's problematic.

[438] I just don't understand what the solution is.

[439] And I don't know if it's even, it's just a free distribution of information across the board because then what do you do about actual Nazis?

[440] Like if you find, like there's a new Hitler and he arises and he really does want external.

[441] the Jews what happens there you just allow that guy to be on Google is you in Google hangouts with a Nazi hangout they're planning on exterminations and where they right where's the next Auschwitz you know no I don't think that that shouldn't be the case exactly so what is the case do you allow white supremacists on there to organize rallies fuck where does freedom of speech end right yeah it's very complicated questions yes we're all learning to navigate Yeah.

[442] I think in many ways, and this is a weird thought that I have and I repeat it over and over again, but I think technology is going to provide us with a new way of communicating that's not dependent upon language, but rather can read actual intent, like an actual mind -reading technology.

[443] And when I see Elon's neuralink, this thing that he's trying to do, where they're opening up the bandwidth to humans and information through use of implants.

[444] some sort of a Bluetooth wearable device like that I think is like a step in that direction and I think Elon and you know in many interviews he said that he thinks that human beings are the organic biological bootloader for for artificial intelligence so if we're a bootloader for AI the way to sort of combat that a bootloader bootloader yeah like like a computer bootloading oh okay okay got you yeah that what we're doing is we're the biological well the way I've described it is that we're sort of an electronic cocoon that's about to make the butterfly and that we're we're the caterpillar that's making the cocoon and we're constantly in pursuit of innovation butterfly is the AI yes the butterfly like if you see a caterpillar right that caterpillar doesn't know what the fuck's going on it's just making a cocoon that's what it does yeah and that's what it knows to do and the idea is that we don't know what the fuck we're doing either.

[445] Like, why do we need 5G?

[446] Is 4G not good enough?

[447] God damn.

[448] I get on the internet pretty goddamn quick.

[449] What are we doing?

[450] Well, it seems like 5G is better and 6G will be better than 5G.

[451] Yeah.

[452] And if you want to get that mind reading software, you got to get 7G.

[453] And we're going to do this to the point where one day there's going to be a real thing sitting in front.

[454] But we will merge with the AI.

[455] Because that's, I mean, that's the future that I hope for.

[456] You don't lose yourself in that, you know, like you're...

[457] But are you yourself once you've merged with the AI?

[458] And then what's holding you back?

[459] God, all these emotions are bullshit.

[460] That's getting in the way.

[461] Let's get rid of those.

[462] Let's just have pure people.

[463] Pure people now available through Nabisco.

[464] It's interesting because my whole point with Neon Future is the convergence of, I mean, the ultimate goals.

[465] You have convergence of technology and our humanity to the point where we live, you know, forever through, you know, this downloading system that we're talking about earlier on or, you know, whatever seemingly.

[466] make sense in the trajectory of where technology is going you know so we do live indefinitely you know i mean that's like uh for me as well you know my insurance policy for if i don't make it to this point like my dad didn't make it to that that cure is you know obviously uh cryogenically freezing the body do that well i'm already signed up so you know because i feel like i mean if we are really this discussion is are we going to make it there in our timeline i'm 41 so i have a better chance of rick herswell obviously yeah so if i i know and i really believe that you know i guess it's hopeful you know that that we'll get to this point in our generation that we'll make it but we're it's that close right so either we make it and then i die and then everyone lives forever do i want to be that generation that of people that die or the generation of people i go oh death is is a cure we just we just found we found a cure for death just like a cure for cancer just like a cure for whatever what if after your biological body ceases to function you move into a new realm of reality that is a completely different dimension that's filled with love and understanding like the after death yeah what's the after whatever it is that we don't know there's no biological shortcomings there's no emotions and there's no fear none of that and there's there's no bodies you just you're a soul in another dimension and then someone unfreezes you like well Steve wanted to be unfrozen and suck back in cakey people you're like fuck man I was I was there I was on the other side yeah they'd be like click opt out no I can't believe this and so then you go well I'll just die again well here here's okay this is this is what I know because I don't know I mean we both don't know what's really going to happen it's that's likely I mean anything is likely I'm not saying that I'm not like I don't believe in God or I do believe in God.

[467] I just don't know what's really happening afterwards.

[468] But I know that what I've seen as me, what I understand of what's around me and my feelings, is that if I wake up tomorrow or if someone I love wakes up tomorrow with an incurable disease that's going to kill them, it would be the most horrific thing.

[469] And I think at the end of the day, the human race is going out to find cures for those kinds of situations.

[470] sure so that's like yeah suffering pain i mean that's what we do we try to stop and elongate our life yeah essentially we all want to live indefinitely you know like through finding cures for all of these issues so we want to live healthily yeah yeah exactly you don't want to be in a wheelchair like for 50 years just like stirring at tv like hawkins yeah yeah which is but but but then again like maybe he found all the silver lining i'm not sure but you know if you're healthy and moving and then boom night and day you're there of course it's awful but um at the end of the day you just don't want that you know like i mean i mean you you don't want that kind of thing to happen so for me it's like i would rather opt out than have someone make that some like disease make that decision for me yeah the suffering thing is the thing that we all want to avoid we want to avoid discomfort and pain and also causing discomfort to our loved ones like one of the scariest thing about dying is leaving behind grievers, leaving behind people that are sad and miss you terribly.

[471] Yeah.

[472] It's like when you've seen people where their loved ones have died, it's it's, you know, and I've lost loved ones we all have and it's a weird void.

[473] It's a, yeah, it's horrific.

[474] It's traumatic and it's you know, that's where my conquest or my interest and passion led to anti -aging the future, you know, and then building on that for the ones that I love that are alive now, you know, and doing whatever I can to, like, share the information so that they live as long as they possibly can in the healthiest way possible, you know?

[475] So, like, I'm like just gathering, gathering information as I go, you know, and it's exciting because, as I was saying, as I get bigger as a personality, you know, sometimes I do jump into these rooms.

[476] And in one case, just recently, I, uh, there's a doctor that, that just that I've worked with.

[477] I've done some stem cell injections with him in Denver.

[478] And he came to my house and he was with some other doctors and they're like, oh yeah, there's a doctor convention.

[479] I live in Las Vegas.

[480] Those conventions all the time there.

[481] So they all came over and like, hey, you know, some breakthrough groundbreaking stuff that's happened this year.

[482] You can now find out on a cellular level of cancer detection for at least 16 different cancers.

[483] You know, so like it's like very, very preventative.

[484] you know far along the line so I was like I want in so I got the information and I just like that was a Christmas present for everyone what kind of stem cell procedures are you getting I mean the first time was through through Dan Bilzerian he he's introduced me to uh the one in Panama so I went down there Dr. Neil Reardon exactly but my mom was just down there oh yeah last week yeah I've sent him down there twice that's great and he was in the verge of getting a knee replacement and her knee was really bad and eight months it took a while you know because my mom was 73 and um within eight months her knee stopped being in pain and she was able to walk and she can they went to the Grand Canyon and amazing yeah and now she went back again to just get a second dose and juice it up some more it's incredible I just know when I was there I saw a lot of kids in there with the one in Panama because it's it's it it grows muscle or does something like i don't want to say the wrong thing regenerates tissue right so kids with muscle dystrophy kids with uh like where they can't walk anymore they get the stem cell injections and they can walk for and then after six months you know the the stem cells do leave your body or or like the the results diminish right so once again i don't know scientific terms i could be off but they have to go back in get the stem cells and they can have you know as you know that kind of life instead of having me in a wheelchair so i went i went in there um because i just wanted to try it out my friend also came with me as asthma knocked out his asthma he never had to use an inhaler for way past six months really yeah because the stem cells also really affect the lungs umbilical cord cells they they travel the lungs first from what this is an iv iv version yeah in iv we did iv V, I did shoulder, my shoulders because I have, I later got a rotator cuff surgery because I had like a bone spur going into my tendon, but I tried to use the stem cells so I didn't have to go to the surgery, but you can't erode bone.

[485] Right.

[486] So, yeah.

[487] So you got it shaved down.

[488] Is that what they did?

[489] Exactly.

[490] Yeah.

[491] And, but I just like my performance level went up, like the general kind of markers of what it's supposed to do actually increase.

[492] Actually, right after that, I went back to Vegas, met up with Dan, and we did a workout, and it was like, it's just, you know, two times more.

[493] And, you know, it worked.

[494] Like, you know, it did what it was scientifically supposed to do for me, for my stamina, my energy.

[495] Yeah.

[496] And you did it for three days?

[497] Do you do three days?

[498] Yeah, three days.

[499] And three days of IV?

[500] and then injects into different joints.

[501] Exactly.

[502] And I did that.

[503] And then about a year later, I was with Dr. Grossman.

[504] He's the doctor I work with.

[505] He wrote the book with Ray Kurzweil called, I think it's the subtext of the book is staying alive until we reach singularity or something like that.

[506] It's like a book on being healthy, basically, anti -aging book.

[507] So he wrote that in, with Ray Kurzweil.

[508] So that's why I heard about him.

[509] I went to him a few years back to get like the full blood work going for me and my family.

[510] We did like two days of testing, all kinds of stuff to learn more about our bodies and see what we're deficient in, what we're not, what vitamins we need to take to supplement the things that we're deficient in.

[511] And then I came back just, you know, maybe a year ago to do his version of stem cells because in America is a different kind of thing.

[512] Panama is obviously out of America.

[513] So they're doing the umbilical cord stem cells or they harvest the stem cells from umbilical cords.

[514] So they have day zero stem cells.

[515] He's doing stem cells.

[516] It's almost like a plasma therapy when they took my blood, spin it, and they're, you know, pulling out the stem cells from my own blood.

[517] So it's 41 -year -old stem cells.

[518] But his point that he's saying is that the size of the stem cells, they're much smaller.

[519] so they're able to travel past where it ends up clogging, which is like the lungs and like certain areas of the body.

[520] So it does travel more.

[521] It's not the day's zero stem cells, but it's still effectively doing its work.

[522] When you think back to like 20 years ago, there was no discussion of this.

[523] So this is a completely, you know, I've had stem cell shots too, and I had a full length rotator cuff tear in my right arm that's gone.

[524] Just it went sealed up, healed.

[525] Yeah.

[526] I was having real problems with his arm where I was thinking I was going to need surgery.

[527] Now it works great.

[528] No problems at all.

[529] Hit the bag, lift weights.

[530] And you ejected intravenously and into the arm?

[531] Yeah, I've done both.

[532] Yeah, exosomes.

[533] I've done, there's a new thing called Wharton's Jelly that had a pretty profound effect.

[534] It's a very potent mixture of stem cells.

[535] We're getting close to the point where you don't have to go to Panama, but going to Panama right now is the way to go.

[536] So that's where you went for?

[537] No, I didn't go to Panama.

[538] I did it all in America.

[539] Where?

[540] Santa Monica.

[541] A place called Life Sparm Medicine.

[542] Yeah.

[543] I'll have to try that out.

[544] It's a place that I originally started going to for regenerine.

[545] Do you know what regenerine is?

[546] Regenicine was originally invented in Germany.

[547] And a lot of guys like Peyton Manning and Kobe Bryant, they had to fly to Germany back in the day to get this.

[548] And what they do is it's a more advanced form of platelet -rich plasma, right?

[549] Like they're taking your blood out.

[550] They spin it in a centrifuge and heat it through some process and they add things to it.

[551] And in the process, it creates this incredibly potent anti -inflammatory agent that's from your own blood.

[552] It's like this yellow serum.

[553] Then they inject this yellow serum directly into areas where you have injury and or inflammation.

[554] It has a radical healing effect.

[555] And it's really, really good for bulging discs.

[556] People that have disc issues and back issues.

[557] And I had a pretty bad one in my neck that was keeping me out of Jiu -Jitsu.

[558] My hands were going numb, you know, because the bulge was pushing against my nerve.

[559] Now it's gone.

[560] Like, I've got MRI six months later after the procedure.

[561] There's no more bulge.

[562] Now, most of the time, when you have a bulging disc, sometimes it can go back and heal, but most of the time it does not.

[563] And most of the time, what happens is you wind up having to get a dysectomy.

[564] Where they go into the disc, they remove the offending piece that's sticking into your nerve.

[565] But now you have a smaller disc.

[566] You have less disc tissue.

[567] So your discs start to collapse, your actual spinal column, you know, the actual, the actual hard bone moves closer to the other hard bone and you know it becomes a real problem arthritis forms scar tissue forms the more disc tissue you have you know the the better off you are and they're able to do that now to the point where they increase the disc tissue well it it doesn't decrease it okay so when the disc is bulging it actually gets it to go back in it gets it to retreat the stem cells are the blood plasma therapy regenerine okay but stem cells have been shown to do that too.

[568] They've actually started injecting stem cells directly into disc tissue.

[569] And I was talking to Dr. Roddy McGee out of Las Vegas.

[570] He's one of the guys that's really at the cutting edge of all this stuff, working with UFC fighters, and they're doing that with them.

[571] And he was the guy I originally went to treat my shoulder because of Dr. Davidson from the UFC, who's the main doctor for the UFC.

[572] He was telling me he had shoulder surgery.

[573] He's a little bit older than me. And his shoulder surgery took, but he was still having issues with it.

[574] He was trying to figure out what he, what he should do, because he was still having pain when he was swimming, went and got some stem cell injections, all the pain went away.

[575] So he was telling me about that.

[576] He's like, you know, you got some pretty significant tears.

[577] You might really need surgery, but maybe this will help you for now.

[578] So I went there, and the amount of help that it, the amount of alleviation of pain and discomfort was stunning.

[579] I was like, I can't believe this is a real thing.

[580] You could just shoot this into whatever it's bothering you and then all sudden like four months later you're like wait where's the pain i don't have any fucking pain anymore i need a meet can i can you introduce me to maggie oh yeah he's great yeah yeah i'll give you his number that'd be great i send people to him all the time but he's on the cutting edge of everything like anytime he's a young guy and he's a really enthusiastic and super brilliant and anytime there's any sort of cutting edge medical practice that guys he's on it like for instance one of things they're doing now is when people get ACL tears, which usually, when you get an ACL tear, usually you need reconstruction.

[581] And usually with that reconstruction is either a cadaver graft where they take the Achilles tendon out of a dead person and shove it in your knee and then your body re -proliferates that with its own cells.

[582] It takes about six months and then you have a functional tendon again.

[583] It's great.

[584] I had it done myself.

[585] It works.

[586] But now they're able to reattach the actual torn ACL.

[587] They have some special technique they do and they've had people tear in ACL and then compete in the Olympics four months later.

[588] Wow.

[589] Which is fucking bananas.

[590] That's crazy.

[591] Yeah.

[592] And he showed me this procedure and how they do it.

[593] Then he showed me this guy four months post -op doing all these box jumps and shit.

[594] And I was like, this is nuts.

[595] It is nuts.

[596] Wow.

[597] Yeah.

[598] So there's a lot of hope in terms of regenerative medicine.

[599] Absolutely.

[600] Yeah.

[601] And thank God for people like Dr. Reardon and Dr. McGee and Dr. Ben -Ruhi, who's the guy that I go to in Santa Monica.

[602] I mean, these guys are just on top of this incredible new wave of regenerative medicine.

[603] Yeah, I'm obsessed with that world.

[604] So the more you're talking about it, it's like, it's very exciting.

[605] Yes.

[606] Well, you're in Vegas.

[607] You've got to visit Roddy.

[608] I would love to be.

[609] He's a great guy, too.

[610] Yeah.

[611] He would love him.

[612] Yeah.

[613] And he's like super enthusiastic about it.

[614] If he finds out that you're enthusiastic about it, he'll geek out with you.

[615] sounds awesome yeah what else have you had done um stem cells um shoulders shoulder i had um i just had vocal surgery vocal cord surgery whoa uh did you get polyps or something yeah i did yeah polypoid on my vocal cord because i used to sing in a band i used to i used to be a like in a screamo hardcore band or a few of them i mean that's where like that's my roots of who like my my my music was as far as what led me to DJing was being in in these like hardcore punk bands.

[616] So that's a lot of screaming.

[617] Lots of screaming.

[618] Yeah.

[619] And then I carried that through when I finally like, when I finally, you know, retired that hat and I started DJing years and years later.

[620] And I started doing these bigger, bigger shows and started doing the festivals.

[621] I brought out that same energy again.

[622] And I started, you know, when I started producing the music, uh, electronic music, I was bringing in guitars, I was screaming on some of these songs.

[623] So I'm bringing some of my past in with my music, and I'm back again.

[624] But in a different world, and I just, I'm not, I'm not a trained singer, you know?

[625] So I destroyed my vocal cords, and I was just, like, raspy as hell.

[626] Like, I was just like an old Italian man at some of my shows.

[627] The Godfather.

[628] Yeah.

[629] And then I saw a doctor and he's like, you don't have a choice.

[630] You're going to have to take a break.

[631] And I'm, you know, I'm doing like 250 shows a year.

[632] So it's like, well, I got to stop for the month and not talk for a month.

[633] That was crazy.

[634] No talking for a whole month.

[635] Yeah, imagine Joe Rogan not talking for a whole month.

[636] Wow.

[637] I bet a lot of people would be excited.

[638] But I had to do that.

[639] That was very hard.

[640] I actually saw a life coach before because I'm like, I'm terrified.

[641] I don't want my like demons or whatever anxiety or whatever things that I have like creeping up where they're like, okay, you're mine now.

[642] You can't talk to someone about, you know, like, I don't know, I'm scared, you know, but I got through it.

[643] I just, I'm a very busy body kind of person.

[644] So like I just scheduled, it was like going back to college, but with things that I needed to train and get better at, like get better at piano, get better at meditation, get better.

[645] at you know twisting the knobs engineering whatever it might be that i want to be better at i just brought more people into my world then i finished like an album in that month making music with different people so i just was just so focused on creation and and learning and reading and you know all that good stuff so when i left i was like okay now i know how to do tm meditation uh or transcendental meditation and uh you know i'm I'm more comfortable doing the things that help me be a better artist.

[646] Well, it obviously worked, right?

[647] But what was the first sound that you made after a month?

[648] What was the first word?

[649] I'll tell you something that's really interesting.

[650] I know now to do the most hygienic sneeze that you can possibly do.

[651] Tell us.

[652] Because now I can sneeze with no visible vapor residue.

[653] Because you know why people sneeze?

[654] They see these videos.

[655] It's like this cloud of trillions of.

[656] bacteria floating in the air.

[657] Of course, if you do that to me, you'll probably see some vapor, but you don't feel it on your hand.

[658] If you sneeze and you're all like gunky and, you know, it happens sometimes, right?

[659] Yeah.

[660] Well, now I can sneeze because I'm not using my vocal cords.

[661] So as I sneeze, I blow out really hard because I had no choice.

[662] I couldn't cough.

[663] I couldn't actually use a vocal cord after the surgery.

[664] So what if you had to cough?

[665] So I'll be like, so when I sneeze I sneeze like that I go so if you do that if you do that kind of sneeze was that?

[666] That's how you do it right now?

[667] That's how I sneeze.

[668] I almost want to get some dust.

[669] See if you sneeze.

[670] Yeah, if you could make me sneeze, I will show you and then yeah, basically.

[671] So you just breathe out.

[672] Yeah, it's the cleanest sneeze you could possibly do.

[673] Yeah.

[674] So that's one very important thing I learned through this whole but the first sound I mean, I don't remember Were you scared to say a word?

[675] Like when the 30 days was up Yeah, yeah It's probably just You know You know Also whispering is really bad Whispering's bad Like that Yeah like whispering like this Yeah So you Whispering is not good For your vocal cords You think it's like gentler on them But from what I was told To not whisper Don't whisper So I literally was texting All the time for, you know, until I had to make that, you know.

[676] You probably develop some fucking lightning fast thumbs.

[677] Because you wanted to get things out.

[678] But did, that's what you did most of the time, just text people?

[679] Text to type.

[680] It's called text to talk when I was in my meetings because, you know, I run various different, you know, businesses and I have to, you know, be on calls.

[681] So I'm like texting and I was.

[682] Stephen Hawking.

[683] Yeah, you know.

[684] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[685] But if you go back to him, yeah.

[686] here is the agenda of her today yes they apparently wanted to give him a better voice and he didn't want it yeah he's like I like that smoother more Siri like voice yeah you know sorry I didn't understand that you know you can get Syrian nice English voice yeah he was not interested he likes that he liked while he was alive that weird rough computer voice he I mean from what I heard about him he just his sense of humor was was very funny and he's just a very sarcastic guy.

[687] He seemed like a really interesting guy who also really likes strip clubs.

[688] Did you know that?

[689] No, I did not.

[690] Yeah, Eric Weinstein told me about that.

[691] Remember?

[692] See, there was a really interesting article written about him that he would love to get wheeled into a strip club.

[693] He enjoyed it.

[694] He liked being there.

[695] But I guess that completely makes sense if you lost control of your body who still were attracted to women.

[696] You still found them amazing.

[697] you'd want to see them naked dancing in front of you.

[698] It's like...

[699] It makes total sense.

[700] Yeah.

[701] You know?

[702] Yeah.

[703] Because you want like, I mean, exactly.

[704] You can't get it, but you can at least be there.

[705] Yeah.

[706] What do you got, Jamie?

[707] There it is.

[708] Acclaimed physicist, Hawking, a regular, a California strip joint.

[709] He's a regular.

[710] Wow.

[711] It's hilarious.

[712] That's pretty awesome.

[713] Make it rain.

[714] I am proud to say that I saw him speak when I was in college.

[715] Oh, wow.

[716] No, no kidding.

[717] Yeah.

[718] Look at him with all his strippers.

[719] Hollow.

[720] Peter, Stephen Hawkins, go to strip clubs.

[721] Look at him.

[722] That's amazing.

[723] Look at his smile.

[724] He looks so happy.

[725] He looks so happy.

[726] Who are we to hate?

[727] Absolutely.

[728] Yeah.

[729] I would imagine that would be a very trying 30 days.

[730] So when it came, when it was over, was your voice normal?

[731] Did it come back?

[732] Did it, it was different?

[733] But I was warned that it would sound a little different.

[734] Like you sound different now than you sounded before the operation.

[735] I'm used to what I sound like now, so I almost forgot what I sound like before.

[736] But I think maybe a semi -tone differently, you know.

[737] But, you know, it's like you just get used to the new you.

[738] Like if I was going to be half -cyborg, half -man, I'd probably just be like, okay, this is me. You know, like, you just get to that when you've situated.

[739] in that the half -cyborg thing is going to be really weird when people start replacing legs because I think if you could develop a leg like a cybernetic leg that's better than a normal leg someone's going to say chop my leg off and give me one of those someone someone somewhere is going to do that and if that becomes seamless and you get some Steve Austin six million dollar man type shit going on things can get real weird That's what you've all talks about in HomoDos, you know, that whole idea that, like, first we use the technology to heal the people that need it, but at the end of the day, it's going to be used for advancing humanity.

[740] You know, like, there's like, you know, the, you want to save, you want to help people that need to walk first, right?

[741] Yeah.

[742] But then it's like, just like you said, if it becomes very normal, then the upgrades will.

[743] be used as well to advance the people that don't need it.

[744] Yeah.

[745] And then it gets a point where you're unscrewing your head.

[746] Taking your brain out.

[747] And that's also what's interesting is that when you say that, you know, now it sounds crazy.

[748] It does, but it doesn't.

[749] Yeah.

[750] Well, to you it doesn't.

[751] Yeah.

[752] But to me it doesn't either.

[753] But that's exactly what you're saying about the phone to, you know, or like what you're showing someone in the Victorian age.

[754] Yeah.

[755] it's about the internet right and when we get to that place it's going to you know it's going to feel like oh well everyone everyone did it so like when luke skywalker got his arm chopped off in star wars and they put another arm on it's really quick remember yep yeah that shit's going to happen i believe it yeah i don't think that's i don't think that's too far away i think is probably 25 years away.

[756] I hope so.

[757] I hope so too.

[758] Because we are seeing some pretty advanced artificial limbs.

[759] So there was a guy who got his leg and his arm bit off by a shark and I met him at the comedy store and he has this carbon fiber arm and a carbon fiber leg.

[760] The guy doesn't walk with a limp.

[761] He walks completely normal and he shook my hand.

[762] I was scared because I was like, don't crush my hand because he's got some fucking iron man hand and he shook my hand.

[763] Does it have like the, does it look like like a hand or is it just a metal?

[764] Like a black carbon fiber hand that articulates.

[765] It moves.

[766] I think they're starting to make it where you can feel.

[767] Yes, I think they are.

[768] Yeah, so that way it's...

[769] That's the guy right there.

[770] Wow.

[771] Yeah, we've actually talked...

[772] I mean, that's the next level, right?

[773] It's like when you can make an arm that has nerve joints into this artificially intelligently connecting with your brain.

[774] Yeah, he's an interesting character because that arm, I mean, it's, it's you you really get this I am robot kind of feel yeah from seeing his arm and his leg like because it's I mean I'm sure he would tell you that he's much better off with his arm and his leg back yeah but when you see the guy walk around man he fucking just walks around he looks normal I mean what they used to have in comparison to what they have today I mean it is leaps and bounds and I'm sure the future so that's his actual arm Wow.

[775] That's what it looks like.

[776] Shark bit his fucking arm off.

[777] That's a, I mean, I wouldn't want to put the arm and lake.

[778] Yeah.

[779] That was a hunger shark.

[780] This asshole.

[781] Yeah.

[782] It's, you know, it's interesting because this is, we're in, we're in this new frontier of what's possible.

[783] I'm sure they're upgrading his stuff all the time as well, you know, and what's, or what's available to someone like him.

[784] Yeah.

[785] But it's exciting to see, like, when you.

[786] when you like, you know, when you see it firsthand and you see him not lipping and, you know, where we're going, you know, like I'm saying, like all the sci -fi films that we see that some of them are going to have very real, you know, scenarios in our life.

[787] For sure.

[788] Yeah.

[789] Are you a technology geek outside of the sort of thinking about the body?

[790] As in, I mean, I am, of course.

[791] I definitely say I'm a tech geek.

[792] Yeah, because you kind of have to, right?

[793] If you create electronic music.

[794] Yes.

[795] I'm a gadget guy, too.

[796] I love, like, gadgets and trying new little things that are out there.

[797] I'm, you know, like, I just want to try it all.

[798] I want to, like, experience things in different ways to enhance my experience overall.

[799] Yeah, creating music electronically is kind of polarizing to some people, though, right?

[800] Because, I mean, I think your music.

[801] sounds fucking amazing but for some people they want to hear an actual string of a guitar the rap of a drum the you know like people have this like very narrow idea it's true music is it's true and uh you know i i think that there's two layers to to like electronic music you know you have to first of all make the music so you're you're you are making the music in one form or another with you know I don't actually don't use like live instrumentation so much but sometimes I do and because I come from that world it's natural for me to bring a guitar in but it's not necessary you know everything can be made from a laptop you don't even actually need very much anymore you can make like a like garage band I guess would be the rudimentary for a what do you use Windows to use a Mac I use an Apple Ableton Live and Ableton Live is the software?

[802] Yeah, it's like the DAW that I used to create the music.

[803] But, you know, you can literally, you don't even need a keyboard.

[804] You don't even need a mouse.

[805] Wow.

[806] If you really, you just need a hard drive of samples or, you know, having enough that you can build off of.

[807] And your keyboard becomes, you know, how you're going to paint your notes in.

[808] So you can make it that streamline if you want it to.

[809] now having like this big studios it's great and i have a really beautiful studio in my house but it's more about the energy of the room for me like i want to go in there like going i'm going to work 12 hours and i'm going to be excited to do that all the way until whatever time it's that las vegas effect of being in a club or being in a casino and you don't know what time it is i want that same effect in my room to be like energized and also energize people that come in but if I'm on the road like you know making an idea and just like strip lining it I don't really need much you know and I think that's like your setup right there oh yeah yeah dude what a fucking badass room so it's incredible I love your carpet yeah I call it's going on with that it's a you know blue obviously my book's called blue is my favorite color and I want the the feeling to feel futuristic so it's the neon future cave.

[810] And if you look up at the ceiling, if you scroll up in that picture or whatever, you'll get to see.

[811] Maybe it's not in that picture.

[812] But I have, yeah, so you have like these, like, L .A. lights coming through the ceiling as if you're in like a cave.

[813] Whoa.

[814] And, um, and then you're looking at everything in this enormous projection screen.

[815] Is that what that is?

[816] Yeah.

[817] And it's, and it seats a ton of people.

[818] So, you know, just, I mean, I'm releasing my, my next singles with the backstreet boys.

[819] So I can fit all the backstreet boys, guys.

[820] in my house in my studio and we could you know do what we do have you always lived in Vegas um I moved to Vegas in 20 I bought my house in 2013 what made you move to Vegas um I was living in L .A and my career broke in Los Angeles so there's no doubt about being in L .A for as a musician as an artist someone in music that's where you if you want to break you can have all the connections and build your network here fastest than anywhere else in the world.

[821] New York, I feel like, is the media hub or fashion.

[822] And then L .A. is a music hub.

[823] And then Atlanta is like the hip -hop hub, Nashville's country.

[824] But I broke in L .A. And when I started touring, 2009, 10, 2008, 9, 10, 11, I was just gone.

[825] I wasn't like living in L .A. the way I lived in L .A. going out to all the places I love to eat, all the culture of what L .A. I was to offer.

[826] I was only there 50 days of the year, maybe.

[827] So I was like, well, just signed a residency in Las Vegas when the nightlife boomed for DJs from 2010, it was a big shift of what nightlife has to offer in Vegas, and DJs were a big part of that.

[828] And I signed a big residency deal.

[829] And then I was like, I mean, I'm here more.

[830] than I am in L .A. And, you know, it's a good tax situation there.

[831] There's no state tax there.

[832] And I'd have to leave L .A. my home turf, but I'm not even there.

[833] Right.

[834] So I just moved ship entirely, bought a house, bought the dream situation house.

[835] That's another thing.

[836] Like, there's so many perks for me because L .A. I had like a 2 ,000, 2 ,500 square foot, maybe 3 ,000 square foot house, which was nice.

[837] A million dollar house in the hills.

[838] And that's when I finally made it before I lived in an apartment on DeLong Prix and El Centro, East Hollywood, I guess Hollywood in a binary, $900 for 900 square feet.

[839] That's where it all started for me. That's when I first moved to L .A. And I started making money.

[840] It took time to get there.

[841] I kind of talked about that in the book, like the hardships to get there because one of the best lessons of my father shared with me was this tough love attitude where, you know, he was a very rich flamboyant.

[842] restaurant tour, Benny Hanas, had fancy cars, was very flashy, very American.

[843] He's the one that broke through the American dream, the Japanese, one of the few Japanese people that actually did that.

[844] So he's just like, yo, look at me with, you know, flying hot air balloons, offshore boat racing.

[845] And then like, you know, I guess the traditional thing is like that he would financially help me, you know, because he has the money to do that.

[846] But one of the most powerful things he did was he just financially.

[847] he didn't financially help me and I had to figure though my issues my hardships my business plans my financial issues that I was going through on my own so I had to start there and because of that I was able to succeed through some of the hard stuff and and have that drive to want to make money for myself so during that time in L .A. I'm kind of digressing here you know I lived in this department for about seven years and then um the DJing my first priority with my record label that was like why I moved to LA sign artists developed them help them and then I was DJing building the brand of the label and we created a really cool scene in LA and we were breaking some of the biggest acts not breaking we were we were the underground hot bed you know like I say like the comedy shop or something where, like, everyone would hang out.

[848] So, like, Lady Gaga was playing for free at our shows.

[849] Scrillix was there every single week.

[850] Will I Am was dancing in the corner and then going back to the studio making Black I Piece hits because 2007 through 2009, Black IPs were the biggest artists.

[851] LMFA was there every single week.

[852] And then they became the biggest acts.

[853] So we're like this hotbed of music culture in L .A., but it was by parties.

[854] Wow.

[855] And then that's how I, you know, made a name for myself is that I was throwing these parties and I was DJing them.

[856] But no one cared that I was DJing them.

[857] The only reason why they were going is because of these acts would always be there.

[858] And then the celebs would come in, you know.

[859] That's when I met DJ AM in 2006, 2005.

[860] And then we got together and he brought the celebs in.

[861] So now, like, there's a spotlight of pre -TMZ kind of like, oh, what's going on over here with this electro sound?

[862] with you have like daft punk there unmasked and and like really cool underground like kutty there and connie west coming through and then there's lindsay lohan and paris hilton and all these different people all like in this small room and people wanted to know what the hell is going on in that in that little space and this is what's what's great about this time was that it was pre -snapchat pre -social media it was just my space so you had to be in that room to experience what was happening.

[863] So people would fly in to just be in that room to hear what was the cutting edge sound that was going to be eventually popular.

[864] You know, people wanted to play in that little 300, 400, 400 cap room.

[865] Did you film any of that?

[866] There was always one guy filming.

[867] I mean, that's the thing, because back then, there was no phones that could film.

[868] It was like razors and, you know, like blackberries, you know, you just can't.

[869] Side kicks.

[870] Yeah.

[871] It's like, it's the worst quality.

[872] So a guy would have to bring a camcorder in, right?

[873] And this one guy, Glenn Jamon, he would always film those parties.

[874] We had Cobra Snake.

[875] He was my best friend who would just run with me to all the shows and parties.

[876] Because back then I would play like five nights a week in L .A. And he would photograph and he would document.

[877] And that's how you would find out about the lifestyle, the clothes, like this, the look of, you know, what it was to be on Kowanga in Hollywood and that whole you know and then you see Kit Cuddy there and you see Connie West there and you'll see you know whoever else that was just like hanging out absorbing the culture that we were that we were like creating there and then eventually that was what got me out of my debt bubble that was you know because I was a pretty bad businessman when I was running in Denmark I thought I was doing shit right because I was signing acts that actually mattered and were taking off, but I just didn't know how to, you know, I was just spending, spending like, yo, we got to keep going with this.

[878] And then, you know, then I started bringing the right people and I was like, okay, I need to build a team.

[879] I need to build some people that have some sensibilities in this world while I'm creative.

[880] And then the DJing just took off as I was getting more into production, getting more to remixing, getting more into creating myself as an artist.

[881] And then that is what people know about me now.

[882] But really, it was people knew about me because of the Denmark.

[883] And it's interesting how sometimes the evolutions of the errors of who you are change over time.

[884] And then, you know, fast forward 2013 is when I was like, okay, I got L .A. helped grow me to who I am.

[885] My management, my label, there's still L .A. But Steve Aoki is going to be Las Vegas.

[886] I would love to see a documentary on that To see that would be an amazing film Like to see how that all was going down Right you know like if you have video footage If you get somebody to edit that and put together a documentary of that time period Because it's a really interesting time period Yeah You know for the the creation of electronic music And what you pointed out that's so interesting Was that 2010 was really somewhere around the time Vegas started becoming these electronic music shows started taking precedent.

[887] They're the biggest fucking thing.

[888] I was staying at the wind recently and the hotel room we were at was overlooking the pool and I forget who it was that was playing there.

[889] But it was fucking chaos.

[890] And like you don't, and especially when you're up, you know, we're like above, like high above looking down the pool at the hotel room.

[891] Pertside view.

[892] It was so crazy.

[893] It was so loud and so crazy.

[894] And there was, everybody's in the pool.

[895] It was fucking madness.

[896] And you're going, this never existed.

[897] Yeah, that's true.

[898] I've been to come to Vegas for a long time.

[899] This is a new thing.

[900] It is.

[901] It's a new thing over the last nine years.

[902] Exactly.

[903] And it's overtaken Vegas.

[904] Everywhere you go, there's these gigantic billboards with either your face on it or whatever other DJs in this place.

[905] And who's the guy with a fucking marshmallow head?

[906] is a guy at marshmallow yeah well that's marshmallow yeah you know okay that's like the unknown comic he's got a marshmallow on his head but there's so many i didn't even know who that was like my kids were explaining to me my 11 year old was explaining to me marshmallow i'm like how fuck do you know who marshmallow is and and we're there and it's just it's everyone that's going out in Vegas but it used to be Vegas used to be like a cultural weird void yeah right you would have some big acts that would come through there but it always seemed like they were at the end of their run right yeah you had to be at the end of your run yeah like when Michael Jackson was considering doing Vegas it's like okay he's like finally saying that this is the end of the run or you know it's like the legacy talented like Celine Dion you know she did a residency in Vegas you're like uh she probably just tired Donnie Marie you know Mattelow or Barry Matalo you know like Carrotop does a residency there I mean, he's doing really well.

[907] It's not a knock.

[908] Yeah, no, it's not.

[909] It's really not.

[910] But that's what it was.

[911] But then all of a sudden it became electronic music.

[912] And it's like, wow, what is happening?

[913] Like, you know, these things are enormous.

[914] Like, there's so much bigger than any other kind of event that you have in Vegas, other than, like, massive sporting events, like a USC or something.

[915] Yeah.

[916] Well, it definitely, it's provoked by energy, too.

[917] You know, like, and it's, that's infectious.

[918] yes well it's a fucking great time yeah if you go to see barry manelow or you know whatever who they have no knock on them but you know what I'm saying it's like I'm sure it's fun it's mellow it's like whatever you're into but when yeah you're seated you know like you're seated for a reason because you're there to like sit and just enjoy yes at there's no seats at a Steve Aoki show I mean there are they're like the tables and stuff but no one's sitting down right that's the that'll be strange to see someone unless they're just passed out drunk or something but for the most part everyone's standing and jumping and being part of the moment and that's that's my job yeah i need to make sure everyone's attention is on me and then i'm taking them to this next level i've always wondered what it's like to live in Vegas though like i've never lived there you know my good friend dana white lives there he loves it there he's he raves about it but i've always like like Vegas okay so for me So I'm L .A. guy, right?

[919] Like, my heart and, like, you know, I love Los Angeles.

[920] I know L .A. so well.

[921] And, you know, with L .A., you have your limitations.

[922] It's Los Angeles.

[923] You can't, like, if you want to build your dream house, you can have to have a lot of money to do that.

[924] In Vegas, when I moved there in 2013, I got a sick deal.

[925] I bought my house, 16 ,000 square feet.

[926] Whoa.

[927] 2 .8 million, I think.

[928] That's hilarious.

[929] Yeah, 2 .8.

[930] It was a short sale.

[931] It was a total steel.

[932] I mean, like the guts were not good.

[933] Like, it was like one of those like prop homes almost.

[934] So I had a re -gut and like I spent like $5 million into the house.

[935] And it was more about building my own dream house as I would want to have it.

[936] I have a foam pit in there with a trampoline room.

[937] I have, I, I, the pool in my backyard was too far away from my house.

[938] So I filled it in and I built a pool at 16 feet deep right next to my patio.

[939] That's 20 feet up.

[940] I built the patio out so that way I can jump into the pool from the top.

[941] And I'm like kid.

[942] I'm basically a big kid.

[943] And I just think about how I want to make my house fun, interactive.

[944] For the artists that come there for me, I have a fun gym.

[945] I've, you know, I got my own like chest station, backgammon station.

[946] I have a poker room.

[947] You know, it's the most hospitable house, you know, and I have all this space.

[948] I have like a big shoe room.

[949] I'm a big shoe collector.

[950] I got a crazy library with books and records, you know, and I have a Bruce Lee mirror room.

[951] A mirror room?

[952] It's in my closet.

[953] But it's just like you walk in.

[954] It's like LED strips everywhere with mirrors and, you know, I'm just having fun.

[955] I'm having fun with my house.

[956] There's a mirror room.

[957] I have some really crazy, really beautiful art, but I got this amazing Banksy piece.

[958] and so, you know, I've been starting to collect art. There's my shoe room in the corner.

[959] Doesn't Banks you get mad if people buy his shit?

[960] Well, I bought it from him.

[961] Oh, you met him?

[962] Tell us what he looks like.

[963] He is a girl.

[964] I'm just kidding.

[965] I never met him.

[966] But, you know, I got into some people to get into...

[967] Is he definitely a real person?

[968] You know, I don't know.

[969] How weird is that?

[970] That someone in 2019 has managed to stay.

[971] that secretive.

[972] It's incredible.

[973] Because he's a cultural phenomenon.

[974] I mean, he's, I mean, everybody knows who Banksie is.

[975] Right?

[976] Or you know of Banksy, I should say.

[977] But no one knows who he is, which is crazy.

[978] Who the fuck has ever pulled that off?

[979] Right?

[980] I mean, what a unique human being.

[981] Yeah.

[982] It's true.

[983] How does that work?

[984] How can someone still do that?

[985] I think you have, I mean, it's like his, he's always seeming to find a way to troll people.

[986] in a social or political critique just like he did with the art sale of the shredded painting.

[987] Yes, how amazing was that?

[988] Yeah.

[989] That was pretty crazy.

[990] To watch those people after they paid it and see the thing dropped down and shred the artwork.

[991] But let me ask you this, though.

[992] I don't want to go too deep into this, because I don't know if I'm like stepping on anyone's toes here, but But if this is really suffrages or, you know, like a real auction house, aren't they going to look at the painting or the piece?

[993] Are they going to open up the frame and make sure there's not some weird drill going through?

[994] I don't think they would ever expect that to be the case.

[995] I mean, but your antique, you should be checking everything, making sure everything's authentic, no?

[996] Well, if it's an authentic piece and somehow or another, some reliable source brings it to them, an authentic piece.

[997] They just accept the fact.

[998] They don't check the details of the piece.

[999] I mean, what can they do?

[1000] Meanwhile, by the way, I'll take that and fucking glue that bitch back together again.

[1001] Leave it that way.

[1002] No, you want it like that.

[1003] That's the whole point.

[1004] That's like where it makes the value is it...

[1005] Right, like you actually have it hanging there.

[1006] That's why you want it in your house, really.

[1007] You want it just like that.

[1008] Yeah, look at the people's face.

[1009] Sometimes I forget that I'm...

[1010] Oh, no. Oh, no. Thurston.

[1011] We've lost.

[1012] the piece.

[1013] Yeah, you know, I wish, like, it's funny that we're talking about this because sometimes I forget, like, you know, we're having a chat and I realize, oh, there's a lot of people listening in on this.

[1014] So maybe I shouldn't give away some of the stuff that I've learned about it.

[1015] But, yeah, anyways, I'll leave it there.

[1016] Well, he's definitely unique human.

[1017] Yeah.

[1018] So let's get back to Vegas.

[1019] So you don't feel weird living there?

[1020] Because the one thing that I've felt about Vegas is I always enjoy.

[1021] go in there and enjoy leaving more.

[1022] I'm like, give me home.

[1023] Let me get home.

[1024] Well, that's because you go there with that intention.

[1025] Like, for me, I built my compound.

[1026] Right.

[1027] So it is home.

[1028] It's 100 % home.

[1029] It's exciting to be home.

[1030] And the best part about it is like, first I built the compound, this dream house, to invite like all my friends.

[1031] I'm a hospitable guy.

[1032] So I like, I want artists to come there, my friends to come there, stay there with me, my family.

[1033] And the next best thing was calling my mom and my sister who lived together.

[1034] said, will you move to Vegas?

[1035] Will you be in my neighborhood?

[1036] And they said yes, and that was the best money I spent was by my mom a house.

[1037] And they, you know, like, they live around the corner.

[1038] My mom's cooking like by the time I'm home.

[1039] I see my mom all the time and I never had the opportunity.

[1040] We had this 10 plus year gap where I see her like once every six months because I'm just touring like a beast.

[1041] Right.

[1042] Now I just see my family a lot more, you know, like, So in a way, I'm trying to bring my family all to Vegas.

[1043] My cousins moved from the East Coast with his wife and his mom to Vegas, you know, before even my mom.

[1044] So I have my cousin there.

[1045] I have my mom, my sister there with their daughter, my brother, Kevin, who's a restaurant tour as well.

[1046] He's, you know, planning to make the move because we're going to open up some restaurants on the strip.

[1047] Damn, dude, you got your fingers in a lot of pies.

[1048] And on that pie note, I do have pizza yoki.

[1049] No!

[1050] Yes, I do.

[1051] I have 19 kitchens now.

[1052] Whoa.

[1053] Yeah, it's been about a year and two months and we're growing at a rapid rate.

[1054] I would imagine 19 in a year?

[1055] 19 kitchens in a year.

[1056] That's crazy.

[1057] Most of them are in Los Angeles because that's where we kind of broke around.

[1058] And we were just like opening up kitchens and all the areas that Postmates was giving us information like, yo, this is where it makes sense to do that.

[1059] So we work with all the delivery hubs.

[1060] Is it mostly a delivery thing, or do you have?

[1061] Yeah, I do have two dine in locations, but the whole business model is about delivery.

[1062] Really?

[1063] Yeah.

[1064] It's all about delivery, and that way my costs are very low.

[1065] And then I could be effective.

[1066] Like, I'm not really spending much money in marketing.

[1067] And what's funny is that people love to post about pizza.

[1068] And Pizza -a -Oki is a pretty fun concept.

[1069] Dude, fight companion, pizza yoke, Saturday.

[1070] Let's make it happen.

[1071] I will send as many pizza yokees you guys need, like whenever you want.

[1072] We're doing a live fight companion for the UFC this Saturday.

[1073] It'll be like 11 a .m. in the morning because it's in Abu Dhabi.

[1074] So we'll hit it up.

[1075] We'll make that happen.

[1076] Yeah.

[1077] All right.

[1078] What kind of pizza you got, man?

[1079] Oh, we got all kinds of pizzas.

[1080] But most importantly, you know, the idea of pizza yoke might sound like a gimmick, and you're like, okay, I'll try it out.

[1081] but 60 % of the people ordering pizza okay are returned so we know that it's quality you know I wouldn't imagine that you're doing anything half -assed no I don't think that's you so do you get you don't so you've essentially like created your own world in Vegas so everyone's there that you know and you can take the thing about Vegas right is like the allure of the strip but you're kind of removed from that anyway you don't do drugs you don't drink right you don't fuck around with anything no yeah that's like one of the things that we talk like you know when we talk about about how I'm sustainable is that you have to not do the certain things that make it unsustainable.

[1082] Right.

[1083] So I never really got into drugs.

[1084] I do talk about my book, my first acid trip when I was 13, but that scared the living shit out of me to stay away from anything hallucinogenic.

[1085] And literally you got 13.

[1086] So I just stay away from drugs.

[1087] That's a bad time to do acid.

[1088] It's a bad idea.

[1089] It's a very, very funny story.

[1090] But it got to the point where I just became this straight edge, hardcore kid.

[1091] I became extremely religious because I was in this like, I was 13, I was looking up going, I'm going to be fucked for the rest of my life.

[1092] Like, when you're on acid, you're like fucking out there.

[1093] You're just so fucked up.

[1094] And, and when you start thinking, like, this is how I'm going to be forever, you're clinging on to anything that can get you out, right?

[1095] And for me, when I grew up as a kid, my mom was putting me into like Catholic schools.

[1096] And one of the best things that Catholic schools do is indoctrinate kids on fear.

[1097] And so we, you know, like, you know, I remember going up to the drawing board like there is like a drawing of what hell is like, guess who's going there forever?

[1098] People that don't believe, you know?

[1099] And, you know, when you're young, you start seeing that.

[1100] And then when you get into a place of vulnerability where you're like where I was, I was like scared shitless.

[1101] I was like, I'm going to go to an insane award when I'm 13 because I can't get out of this acid hell trip.

[1102] How long did it last?

[1103] I guess like what seven eight hours but every second is like a minute you know because you cannot sleep you cannot stop thinking about what you're in I mean there is like it's like this exaggerated emotions like the first part of my acid trip was like I was so funny I was laughing at everything it was like the best thing I ever did I was like oh my god everything is so funny I'm just laughing I'm like in pain because I'm like so just laughing at everything just everything's joyous And then, like, I went into this upside -down world, like, stranger things.

[1104] When I got dropped off at my friend's house and everyone went dark and my friends were, my friend's 14, he doesn't do drugs.

[1105] So he was just, and his mom was coming down, you're okay, everything's okay.

[1106] Did they know you're on acid?

[1107] No, they knew I was on acid, but they were like, you're like, I'm like an 80 -pound Japanese kid, you know, five -foot, you know, like a little kid.

[1108] Like, what the hell is my doing acid for, you know?

[1109] I do talk about, like, where that came out.

[1110] But, yeah, so, like, when I was, when I got flipped into that world, then everything was like, I saw street fighter, like, fireballs from Ryu coming at me. Like, when I close, when I close my eyes, it was very, very vibrant and vivid.

[1111] And, I mean, it was, it's a trip, for sure.

[1112] So once you regained sanity, you were like, enough of any of this nonsense.

[1113] Yeah, yeah.

[1114] Once I was like, oh, my God, I'm back.

[1115] This is, this is for real.

[1116] Like, I have, fuck drugs.

[1117] I was, fuck this shit.

[1118] You know, like, and then I was like, I'm straight -edge, because that's the music I was starting to get into.

[1119] And then I was like, I'm all about God and Jesus.

[1120] It's going to save me, you know, like, he saved me. So, like, as a kid, I was very religious going out and that, you know, start exploring more about the world.

[1121] And then went more from this faith -based concepts of living through life to, you know, things that need.

[1122] to me more, it needed to make sense for me. I'm very much more scientific on like the understanding of how I want to see things.

[1123] Where did the change take place?

[1124] When did it take place?

[1125] That would happen to be college and post.

[1126] Where'd you go to school?

[1127] UC Santa Barbara.

[1128] So when you went, it was great.

[1129] I love Santa Barbara.

[1130] God, it's like the hidden gem of California, right?

[1131] Yeah.

[1132] So sweet out there.

[1133] Yeah.

[1134] So you just became educated.

[1135] started learning more about things and then so yeah it i don't know if there was like one spark that happened it was just kind of like i just had questions about why things happen like what what is religion like what you know you know how things work in the world how societies are built um did you study theology a little a little but i don't know if that would be like the philosophy classes I was taking was not really the crux of it.

[1136] Sociology was my major.

[1137] I was women's studies in sociology when I was in college.

[1138] Women's studies.

[1139] Yeah, women's serious.

[1140] Yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, strangely enough, that's the first thing you think about, right?

[1141] Why is a guy in women's studies?

[1142] Well, he's trying to understand.

[1143] I mean, the reason why I was in that department is because my favorite teachers were the ones teaching those classes.

[1144] So I just was like, all right, I'll try this one.

[1145] And then I was like, wow, this is pretty interesting.

[1146] I'll try another one.

[1147] And then I was like, well, I'll just, I'll finish off the major.

[1148] And, you know, I'd have to say, like, the stuff that I learned in school, it's in large part of how I kind of look through, kind of like navigate through our life.

[1149] Like sociology, I am a sociologist.

[1150] I want to study people, like, why they do certain things you know like how do i navigate them in different directions well and then you've become a purveyor of great fun like that's essentially what you do professionally right i mean you give people a great time yeah your shows are this wild extremely energetic experience for people and they leave there's a certain level of transformance right i've watched some of your shit online and you do these enormous crowds man and it's so epic and you see all those people going fucking crazy and dancing along to your shit I mean it's got to be a wild wild feeling knowing that you're giving this really positive experience these thousands and thousands of people that are just roaring along to your music it's wild yeah as you say I'm like you know getting all like Goose bumpy yeah no It's exactly what you're saying.

[1151] And that's why, I guess you can say I'm addicted to that.

[1152] And because I care so much about that, I have to be sustainable.

[1153] You know, it goes back to what we're talking about.

[1154] Like, what do I need to do?

[1155] There's no fucking way you could do 250 shows a year and get fucked up, 250 days.

[1156] Oh, yeah.

[1157] Because there's a lot, you know, in that business especially, you know, the business of electronic dance music, there's a lot of people doing Molly, right?

[1158] There's a lot of people doing all kinds of.

[1159] amphetamines and all kinds of crazy shit and you're going to think like you do that every night man you're going to look like an 80 year old man by the time you're 40 years old because you've literally burn the candle with a blow torch you've used that Elon Musk not a flame throw on your fucking birthday candle you know I mean it's but you know what I always say if whenever I have the opportunity is that for the people in my crowds and I have to say country by country they're very different as far as like what I think if they're doing drugs or not where they do the most drugs um holland no i don't think so i don't but you know it's hard like it's like i'm just judging right i don't know like what people are doing out there i could judge by how interactive they are that's the best way i can tell right if they're like yeah if they're that's the worst that's the worst like subject to play to it's like literally playing at a cocktail party when their backs are turned to you it's the same kind of thing for me. So if they're already high and they just like lost in their world, like it's no fun for me. Plus I spend so much time making like my sets so interactive, so engaging and entertaining.

[1160] Like it's a bit disrespectful.

[1161] I get it.

[1162] Yeah.

[1163] I get it.

[1164] You know, but like, you know, some people are going to do it.

[1165] You're not going to be like the Debbie Downer and be like, you know, everyone on drugs.

[1166] Get the hell out of here.

[1167] You lose 80 % of the crowd.

[1168] If you said that, everyone on drugs, Get the fuck out of here.

[1169] If they listen to you, what percentage do you think in Vegas would leave?

[1170] Oh, I don't know.

[1171] I don't know.

[1172] I don't even want to know.

[1173] I don't even want to know, honestly.

[1174] At least weed.

[1175] Weed's different, though.

[1176] Weed's more like chill, you know.

[1177] Like, but if you're so like high zonked off your head where you can't, you don't even know where you are or what's going on, then like you just lose the whole experience.

[1178] I mean, a lot of the times people wake up going, oh, what happened?

[1179] Yeah.

[1180] I mean, what's the point of, you know, the experience if you're so blitzed out of your head you don't even know what's going on so allegedly during the experience they're having a good time yeah yeah but i mean that's it's a it's a really wonderful way to make a living it's the it's like literally the dream come true you know to make people happy get to be i i always say like i feel like i'm the chef in the kitchen making the food and i go out and i get to watch people eat my food yeah and then they're like oh this is really good I'm like, I'm like, yes, you know, like, since I see that feeling, I'm like, let's go back and make more food, but we got to sprinkle more truffle on that, and then let's deliver and then get a C. And then they're like, you're the chef, Mike, that's me, you know?

[1181] So, like, it's like I get that lucky position to be able to make my music and then share it and hope that they have the same feeling that I have sharing it.

[1182] So how many shows do you do in Vend?

[1183] Vegas, and how many shows do you do abroad?

[1184] Around 40 in Vegas, so 2 .10.

[1185] 40 a year.

[1186] 40 a year.

[1187] So when are you there?

[1188] Do you still have residency?

[1189] I do.

[1190] Do you just wear it?

[1191] At Hakasan, Omnia, Jules, Smaller Club of theirs, and Wet Republic.

[1192] So there's four properties that I play, which is nice because if I had to play 40 shows in one.

[1193] I mean, it wouldn't necessarily be that bad because the thing about Vegas, this is a transient crowd, right?

[1194] So it's always, no matter what, even on one weekend, I might be playing possibly three or four times for one weekend.

[1195] And every show I do, whether there's a day party and a club, the club is a complete different influx of people coming in.

[1196] Because the people that saw me at the day party are going to go see chain smokers or marshmallow or, you know, whoever else or Calvin Harris or whatever is playing out on the strip.

[1197] The competition is as thick as it gets.

[1198] Every night, there's the biggest DJs.

[1199] playing alongside you know each other it's really amazing if you stop and think about what a crazy change that is to an entertainment environment like the Vegas the transformation to that electronic music around like you said 2010 there's not a thing like that that you can point to anywhere else in the world where like all of a sudden this one dominant form of entertainment has taken over the entire nightlife of a city.

[1200] Like other than a big, some sort of big event that's in Vegas, the fucking rodeo or the UFC or something like that where everybody comes in to see that.

[1201] Right.

[1202] You guys are what's up.

[1203] I mean, that is what's up in Vegas.

[1204] It's the, it dominates it.

[1205] How did that happen?

[1206] That's a crazy thing.

[1207] It really is.

[1208] Yeah, when you say it like that, I'm like, no other place.

[1209] Like if you go to New York, if you go to L .A., if you go to all, all places all around the world, there's no other thing.

[1210] that has transformed the nightlife of a city the way electronic music has transformed Vegas.

[1211] Transformed, changed everything.

[1212] Went from non -existent to number one with a bullet.

[1213] Like, there's not even a close second.

[1214] It's all electronic music.

[1215] Anthony Bourdain used to hate it.

[1216] It was hilarious.

[1217] He used to, you know, he was old and crotchy, beat at these places and all the music.

[1218] And it just wasn't his thing.

[1219] but he still was in awe of how it happened.

[1220] I love that guy.

[1221] I love that guy.

[1222] Yeah.

[1223] I never met him, but.

[1224] He was awesome.

[1225] Yeah.

[1226] Miss him.

[1227] Yeah, there's plenty of people that do go to Vegas.

[1228] They're like, oh, this is so annoying.

[1229] Just kids running around, not kids, but like young adults running around, you know, especially in the day, like in their bikinis running.

[1230] I mean, I just probably people.

[1231] like that but in any case it's a yeah it's also different for the casino operators because they're dealing with this younger generation of people too right and they have to think differently about how they're going to get them to you know do what Vegas is meant to be you know what the economy is serving gambling yeah well they're paying to see you as well and alcohol sales as well yeah i think alcohol sales have become a large large portion of their revenue right i think that like i i could be wrong here but the gambling side is actually a smaller portion than the everything else i think that's true i think that's shifted i've read something about that recently that entertainment has become the primary revenue source in Vegas whereas it used to be gambling right but it's you know there's there's still gambling but boy it's hard to just convince young people to start gambling yeah it's easy to convince them to start dancing yep you know yeah it's like seems normal it's natural there's the meat also when you're young you don't have the money to just risk but you have the money to go and like experience fun yes yeah you know but when you're older you're like okay i can i have some of like flexible income streams i can put down on some blackjack whatnot i would have loved to see the sonatra days like Vegas when it was run by the mob i'd love to see what that was like you know the rat pack and samovas jr i just would love to been in the room and watch one of those shows and then you know come to today and see how things have changed i mean i think that's like the bourdain thing like he had been there when he was young and then see it changed now right but i am fascinated by change i don't resist it and uh i don't i don't say oh the good old days that don't mean shit to me i am absolutely on the same page as you yeah i'm i'm interested in the next thing i want to try the next thing yeah and you know you know You want to enhance your experience.

[1232] You want to enhance what you're doing to make it serve you better.

[1233] But if you went to someone in like 1985 and said, hey, man, guess what?

[1234] 2019 electronic music is going to be the shit.

[1235] It's going to be everywhere.

[1236] People would go, what are you talking about?

[1237] Get this guy out of here, man. There's one guy that did say that, though.

[1238] Who?

[1239] Jim Morrison.

[1240] Did he really?

[1241] Yeah.

[1242] So, like, he did a prediction.

[1243] It's like somewhere, I'm sure you can find it, but he did a prediction where whenever he was alive, I guess, I guess, I don't know, probably, 60 or 70s.

[1244] So he said, like, the future will be one person with some sort of computer or something that's going to be devised electronically or something like that.

[1245] And that one person will be making music for people and performing that.

[1246] Now, watch a video.

[1247] I remember this.

[1248] I remember this now.

[1249] Yeah, so I forgot what he said, but he said something to that effect.

[1250] And it's like, it's crazy because that was, what, 50 years ago.

[1251] Yeah, play this.

[1252] Take it from the beginning.

[1253] are the black music, blues, and the kind of folk music that was brought over from Europe.

[1254] And I guess they call it country music or the kind of West Virginia high and lonesome sound.

[1255] Those are the two mainstreams of root American music.

[1256] There might be others, I don't know.

[1257] But like 10 years ago, what they called rock and roll was kind of a blending of those two forms.

[1258] I guess in four or five years, the new generation's music will be, it'll have a synthesis of those two elements.

[1259] And some third thing, it'll be entirely, maybe it might rely heavily on electronics, tapes.

[1260] I can kind of envision maybe one person with a lot.

[1261] machines, tapes, and electronic setups singing or speaking and using machines.

[1262] From what his mindset is of what he can considers what that would be, it's, you know, he did predict where it is, you know, like, I think that's what happens when you do acid correctly.

[1263] Get those sort of vision.

[1264] Yeah, because, I mean, also Jim Morrison, Like, you could tell he's such an artist that, you know, he could, after the doors, you'd just be himself.

[1265] Yeah.

[1266] You know, he would have done a Jim Morrison album where he's made all the music.

[1267] He's done everything.

[1268] He would be exactly what he's saying.

[1269] He's basically predicting what he would have, in my opinion, what he would become.

[1270] And he was probably like 25 in that video, which is even crazier.

[1271] Yeah.

[1272] And he died at 27.

[1273] That's crazy.

[1274] Nuts.

[1275] Yeah.

[1276] Nuts.

[1277] I mean, that whole era of the 1960s fascinates me. me to no end.

[1278] I love the cars.

[1279] I love the sound.

[1280] To this day, most of the music I listen to is classic rock.

[1281] I mean, I listen to a lot of new stuff, but man, I will pull out some fucking classic rock.

[1282] I love it.

[1283] I love listening to it.

[1284] There's something about it that makes me, it just makes me realize what a profound change it was between the 1950s and the 1960s.

[1285] that the culture exploded that something happened something happened and the the clothes and the music and the sounds and the fucking muscle cars like everything went haywire like you went from 1950 to 1960 and just a radical shift right right it's so many great artists you know hendricks and yeah the whole idea of like like okay now it's time to experiment and to free ourselves yes from the confines of what like like you know You know, it's supposed to, yes, yeah, the door's wide open.

[1286] I think Buddy Holly was great.

[1287] I love Buddy Holly.

[1288] But if you go from Buddy Holly to Hendricks, you're like, what happened?

[1289] What happened?

[1290] You know?

[1291] That's what acid trip actually goes right, like you're saying.

[1292] Apparently, they said he used to put acid in his bandana.

[1293] I don't know if that's true.

[1294] Yeah.

[1295] But that it would seep into his skin as he was planning.

[1296] And then he's just like lighting his guitar on fire and picking with his teeth.

[1297] Man, how much would you love to watch that guy?

[1298] live oh yeah oh that was been incredible to be in the presence of something completely unique you know this hippie black dude who's the greatest guitarist of all time still still still yeah there's no one like there's some amazing guys today Gary Clark Jr and of course you know Stevie Ray Vaughan was amazing there's a bunch of great amazing guitars it's not also the showmanship though you know the outfits the like it's like all of it combined not just his his technical ability yes the fact that he was doing these these things that you're like you know some of the guitarists wouldn't do that that's not part of their like you know protocol but he was just like on another world yeah and to be a part of that you know see that is incredible a complete outlier yeah yeah yes and again like no one was like that before that like go to the 1940s It's only 20 years.

[1299] 1940s are only, I mean, 20 years ago is, you know, we're dealing with, you know, 1999.

[1300] That doesn't seem that long ago.

[1301] Yeah.

[1302] But 69 to 49, you might as well be from another world.

[1303] Yeah.

[1304] You really might as well be.

[1305] Might as well be another planet.

[1306] So what do you think was one of the bigger cultural shifts of why that happened?

[1307] Drugs!

[1308] Simply.

[1309] 100%.

[1310] Yeah.

[1311] 100%.

[1312] Yeah.

[1313] I mean, obviously, when we talk about Jimmy Hendricks, And the Beatles and the Beach Boys, like, whoever else was like, yeah.

[1314] Drugs.

[1315] James Joplin, drugs.

[1316] Drugs.

[1317] The doors, drugs.

[1318] Right.

[1319] Everyone, drugs.

[1320] They were taking mind expanding psychedelics, and the culture had shifted to embrace these mind expanding psychedelics.

[1321] And there was also the resistance to the Vietnam War.

[1322] There was this rebellious movement.

[1323] There was these young, compassionate people that were trying to figure their way through life in a way that didn't resonate with the way their parents had set boundaries and standards.

[1324] and they wanted out of all of it, that Goldwater Republican shit.

[1325] They wanted to be free and flower children and hippies and Woodstock and all that craziness, you know?

[1326] Yeah.

[1327] And what's amazing is how quickly it ended.

[1328] You know, so many things came along.

[1329] So many things came along.

[1330] The deaths scared people.

[1331] You know, like, you know, at the end of the day, like when they're dropping at 27, your heroes.

[1332] Morrison, Janice Joplin, Hendricks, all 27.

[1333] And, like, they're the leaders of this experimental revolution.

[1334] Yep, not good.

[1335] That's going to end things pretty quick.

[1336] I think there was that.

[1337] There was also the sweeping psychedelic act of 1970 that made everything schedule one, and they were locking people up in jail.

[1338] They were also passing laws direct, it was there was a civil rights movement was happening at the same time, and they were passing laws that were directly targeting the people in the civil rights movement because they knew that they were small grass and they were doing mushrooms so they were going after them with these drug laws and then you know they would arrest one person they would turn on everybody else and then you know they would do like mob tactics wow and you know the whole thing they just poured water on it it took you know it took like 10 or 20 years before shit started popping again yeah you know in terms of like the influence of psychedelic culture again really more like 30 years you know it's like the 2000s where things started happening again or people started becoming more and more aware of the positive benefits of psychedelic drugs and altered states of consciousness, not trying to escape reality, but trying to get a grip on reality from a different perspective.

[1339] You know, but I think...

[1340] That's an interesting, like when I think about psychedelics in that regard of mind expansion or, you know, we got at the same time, it's like this uncontrolled situation that, like, okay, we're going to jump into this world, but there's...

[1341] No way to really control your lane.

[1342] It's just like this.

[1343] Yeah.

[1344] It's like, yes, we can go there.

[1345] Well, it might not end up.

[1346] You might get stuck there.

[1347] That's my problem with that.

[1348] You could get stuck.

[1349] You know, I mean, like, you hear the horror stories, and that scares the hell out of you.

[1350] Like, this guy is still on an acid trip for 25 years walking around, you know, thinking people are chasing him, you know.

[1351] Acid in particular.

[1352] Yeah, like shine on you crazy diamond.

[1353] And I think there's people that have a predisposition towards psychosis.

[1354] There's certain people that have schizophrenia in their genes and in their answer.

[1355] And for those people, it's very dangerous.

[1356] You know what else is very dangerous for those people?

[1357] Edible marijuana.

[1358] Not just like what you think of as hardcore psychedelics, but I've known quite a few people that have eaten edible marijuana and have blown fuses.

[1359] Wow.

[1360] Yeah.

[1361] There's something I just recently did, which is pretty exciting for me, was, you know, once again the scientific information I'm just going to wing it but I try this brain cap on okay this has all these nodules like that can read the neurotransmitters in my brain and it's connected to a computer and you you sit there for about a minute and you just you kind of meditate on and focus on one one thing so it can start like reading your your brain basically your neurotransmission signals and it's kind of like neural feedback on steroids if you know anything about neural feedback.

[1362] And it gave me a list of categories of what I want to know about who I am.

[1363] I always thought that I had a slight ADD.

[1364] I never was diagnosed because I have like, if Joe Rogan's boring me, I might like turn over here.

[1365] You know, like the my inattention is normal.

[1366] Yeah, I know, right?

[1367] But I was like, I don't have that bad of ADD where I can't concentrate to get things done because I get things done.

[1368] but I do have I do think about a lot more things and I think I should maybe so anyways I was I did this test and it shows like your your signals coming and it has all these different things like anxiety delusion schizophrenia um you know attention so forth you know absolutely incredible I was like okay I'm scared to press this button schizophrenia I'm really scared but I want to know So it gives you the feeling of being schizophrenic?

[1369] No, no, no, no. It shows your brain activity if you have a tendency to be schizophrenic.

[1370] I thought you were saying like there's a way for the other.

[1371] Like, do you want to feel what it feels like?

[1372] No, no, no. That's like in the future.

[1373] But like I want to see if like do I have the neural pathways that a schizophrenic person would, you know, how they would think about the world.

[1374] Yeah.

[1375] So, you know, I clicked on that and I'm like, I'm good.

[1376] you know I'm good okay good so what about delusion okay anxiety low okay so I got a lot of information out of that so I guess the reason why I'm sharing that is that you should try this out you think it's something that I think you'd be interested in I am interested yeah do you know the name of the well they flew to me just like I'm saying like I love to meet groups and organizations and research researchers and scientists and these people knew I was putting it out to the world They came, they flew all to me, like some from Colorado, some from Toronto.

[1377] And they did this test on my head, on my brain.

[1378] Whoa.

[1379] Yeah.

[1380] So I'll get you information on that.

[1381] Okay.

[1382] You can try it out and see if it's something that's, like, interests you.

[1383] But I'm sure it will.

[1384] I'm in.

[1385] It's very exciting stuff.

[1386] It sounds, I hope I'm not crazy.

[1387] Fuck.

[1388] What do you do if you find out you're really insane?

[1389] What do they put the thing on you?

[1390] And they're like, dude, you're a fuck.

[1391] You've seen results like this before.

[1392] You need to be locked up.

[1393] Then all of a sudden people come.

[1394] Well, you wouldn't even know it, right?

[1395] If you're really crazy, you're like, you think that, like, you know, the five people are on the corner chasing after you, they're always, they're real.

[1396] Or maybe it's a beautiful mind.

[1397] I used to have a bit about the problem with dumb people is that they're too stupid and know they're dumb.

[1398] So they think everybody else is dumb.

[1399] Yeah.

[1400] It's a problem, right?

[1401] So if you're crazy, you might think everybody's crazy.

[1402] Right.

[1403] Even the, oh, yeah, like the brain scan is making you crazy.

[1404] Or you might think that everybody else is crazy.

[1405] Right.

[1406] And then you do the brain scan, like, no, no, no, no, no, it's you.

[1407] Yeah.

[1408] You're tricking me. You're doing something to me. Have you ever met people that blame everyone else in their life for all their problems?

[1409] Sure.

[1410] And they can't see what we can see.

[1411] You can say, hey, man, it's you.

[1412] You are causing all of your problems.

[1413] Yes.

[1414] Yes.

[1415] But yet you never are self -critical.

[1416] You're looking externally for all of your issues.

[1417] You're criticizing everyone.

[1418] But you are the architect of your own demise and you don't even realize it.

[1419] I think that is one of the biggest problems for, like, why people are not finding their own success.

[1420] Yeah.

[1421] You know, because they keep blaming other people for problems when they could use that same time to actually focus on a small success that's realistic in their trajectory or whatever they're doing.

[1422] Yeah.

[1423] And I've seen that a lot with my, you know, some people I know, just it's, they get stuck in that framework.

[1424] And then there might be people that enable that same mindset.

[1425] Yeah.

[1426] It's patterns as well.

[1427] Like sometimes people develop these defensive patterns in order to protect themselves from reality.

[1428] Right.

[1429] And they put up these psychic shields to sort of protect themselves from self -critical ideas or externally critical ideas.

[1430] And they just don't want to deal with change.

[1431] They don't, they want to pretend that they're the fucking man, that they're the coolest.

[1432] They get it.

[1433] Everybody else is dumb.

[1434] Yeah.

[1435] And, God, it's such a toxic way to view the world.

[1436] It really is.

[1437] And the people that have that view gain no traction.

[1438] They almost always fall apart.

[1439] Yeah.

[1440] It's just, it's unsustainable.

[1441] It's not a way to live your life.

[1442] No. Yeah.

[1443] It's, it's fucking hard to see, too, man. It's hard to see if you know someone that's like that.

[1444] You almost kind of got to go, oh, man, I'm walking away.

[1445] I can't help you anymore.

[1446] Yeah.

[1447] Well, I think also for them, they see the success of other people.

[1448] And they're like, like, they want to be that, but they're like, you know, You know, they obviously can't with, they just blame everyone that they can't be that person, right?

[1449] Yes, yes, yeah.

[1450] Instead of just like going, well, you got to take these small baby steps to get out of this funk.

[1451] And then eventually, you know, stop comparing yourself to other people, but compare yourself to yourself.

[1452] Yes.

[1453] Look at yourself critically.

[1454] But I think another thing that's really important is to enjoy other people's success.

[1455] Instead of being jealous, which is a really common, easy to understand sort of an, emotional reaction to other people's success you what the best way to look at it in my opinion the best way to look at is look at someone else doing amazing things and go fuck this is amazing yeah what they've done right be excited by it and then be inspired exactly you can use it as fuel in a positive way and then also there's no negative feeling like that person doesn't have to feel like you're you're you're fucking giving them the sour face because you're you're jealous and bitter and weird and you're looking to be critical of them and find flaws and look at what they're doing like look at like if you were a guy who's coming up right and you wanted to be a guy who makes electronic music and i'm sure you have haters oh my god they're lined up lined up i'm sure yeah why why do you have haters because you're fucking awesome that's why because what you're doing is fucking awesome so instead of saying man this guy is inexhaustible he's excited about what he's doing he's got a real passion for creation for hating things, people love it, and your attitude about making these shows and giving these people this amazing time and how much focus and energy you put into it.

[1456] A hater should look at that and go, this, I got to do more of that.

[1457] I got to do more of that.

[1458] I got to get more inventors.

[1459] But instead, they try to poke holes in it.

[1460] Right.

[1461] Yeah, yeah.

[1462] Fucking cakes.

[1463] Yeah, exactly.

[1464] That is a sore spot for people, too.

[1465] I'm sure it is.

[1466] Yeah.

[1467] It's awesome.

[1468] Anything awesome is a sore spot for assholes.

[1469] Yeah.

[1470] Yeah.

[1471] It's just, there's not.

[1472] nothing you can do about that you just have to you got to keep on being you but yeah them they're their hell and their prison is that they're focusing on you yeah you know they're hating and focusing on you yep yeah true words yeah it's um it's a weird world being an entertainer isn't it yeah it's a different kind of lifestyle you know it's you know i mean actually the strange thing is when i think about like like fame or whatever celebrityhood uh When I walk through certain areas, I get like, I have to just go, okay, I have to accept the photos.

[1473] I have to accept, like, people coming up to me. I want to be the asshole because I've been that kid going up to someone and they were mean to me. And I'll be like, oh, that guy is a dick.

[1474] You know, and think of you that way for the rest of their life, even if you're just in a bad day or some, you know, you just want to be there.

[1475] The one that bothers me the most is people coming up to you while you're eating.

[1476] I had a guy come up to me right now last night in the middle of like literally cutting food in a crowded restaurant.

[1477] and he's hovering over the table trying to get me to get up and take a photo.

[1478] I'm like, dude, what if I did that for everybody?

[1479] Like, what if I just...

[1480] Yeah, right.

[1481] This is a ridiculous request.

[1482] Yeah.

[1483] Like, you shouldn't do that.

[1484] Like, we're eating.

[1485] So what did you say?

[1486] Did you say?

[1487] Okay.

[1488] Let's take a picture.

[1489] I said, we're in the middle of a meal.

[1490] Not only that, we're in the middle.

[1491] I was with Andrew Schultz, my buddy.

[1492] And we were in the middle of talking, too.

[1493] Yeah.

[1494] This guy just interrupted the conversation.

[1495] Wanted a picture.

[1496] I was like, there's a time and a place for it.

[1497] Right.

[1498] If you want to say, hey, when you're leaving, can I get a picture?

[1499] sure yeah sure yeah well you got a mouth full of food and you're cutting food and so I'm like come on you can't interrupt meals yeah that is a ridiculous request that that happens to me all the time but stupid but you know what's really weird in L .A. doesn't happen to me that much well L .A. people are more accustomed to seeing famous people yeah and they're like I don't want to you know they just get it they don't want to bug you as much but everywhere else L .A. New York I'm not really bothered as much but everywhere else it's like it just says it's just going to have, I just have to accept it.

[1500] But you can't interrupt people while they're eating.

[1501] That is just one of those things.

[1502] Don't interrupt me when I'm eating.

[1503] Don't interrupt me when I'm talking to my kids.

[1504] Right.

[1505] Like, it's a stupid thing to do.

[1506] Yeah.

[1507] You have to have manners.

[1508] You have to have some sort of an understanding that this is a human being that is living their own life.

[1509] And even though you're a fan of them, your being a fan does not take precedent.

[1510] You can't just, they don't owe you this.

[1511] Right.

[1512] You can't just interrupt their life.

[1513] And you shouldn't want that.

[1514] You shouldn't want to interrupt someone in the middle of a conversation, in the middle of a middle of talking to their children.

[1515] It's a foolish way to interact with them.

[1516] I remember one time, I was, you know, in a deep conversation, just like you're talking about with someone outside of a casino, about to leave.

[1517] And the sky's just drunk.

[1518] And he's just like staring and like wobbling and like, you know, doing his thing.

[1519] And I just see him hovering.

[1520] And, and And I'm not going to engage with him.

[1521] I'm just talking.

[1522] And finally, I'm like, hey, man, I'm just in the middle of conversation.

[1523] And, you know, well, I didn't say we'll get a photo later.

[1524] I'm like, well, talk to you later because I didn't want to, like, be presumptuous.

[1525] And I got done with the conversation.

[1526] And he was just very aggressive.

[1527] And I just ran.

[1528] I remember I ran to my car.

[1529] And I'm like, I just don't want him.

[1530] to get into this you know like and he's chasing me oh my god he's chasing me and just like fuck you i was your fan and you like treating me like shit this is how you treat your fans i'm like i'm like oh my god this is just too much you know and like and it stays with you you know like even though i don't know that's part of the problem with Vegas too yeah yeah yeah people are at it's they're at new year's eve level every night yeah you know that it's like a thing for new New Year's Eve.

[1531] I stopped doing shows a couple years ago on New Year's Eve because every time I would do them, I was like, why does everybody think it's okay to be an asshole tonight?

[1532] People want to heckle, they want to yell things out.

[1533] I was like, on New Year's Eve, I'm just going to stay home.

[1534] I'm going to hang out.

[1535] I'm not going to do shows.

[1536] It just seems too chaotic.

[1537] It just never feels like.

[1538] Never feels like a real show.

[1539] Well, Vegas is like there's a lot of people that are running around like every night.

[1540] Like, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas?

[1541] They're just going crazy.

[1542] It's such a wild place.

[1543] It's a hall pass.

[1544] It's like, okay, we got to go big.

[1545] We're here.

[1546] 24 -hour drinking.

[1547] Right.

[1548] Yeah, free booze if you're gambling.

[1549] Yep.

[1550] It's like, what a wacky thing.

[1551] We're going to give you a drug that fucks up your decision making and then you're going to gamble everything you have.

[1552] Yeah.

[1553] I mean, how is that legal?

[1554] How is it legal?

[1555] You're gambling enormous sums of money and they're giving you alcohol.

[1556] Right.

[1557] It's just so crazy.

[1558] I know.

[1559] But I love it.

[1560] I love it.

[1561] I love that it exists.

[1562] I love that there's a city where everything is kind of wild, where everything is like, things are open.

[1563] Like, I play pool, and Vegas is one of the rare places where pool halls are 24 hours a day.

[1564] So you can play pool until 5 o 'clock in the morning, 6 o 'clock in the morning.

[1565] And there'll be good players in there.

[1566] And, you know, people who really appreciate pool.

[1567] And, you know, everything's 24.

[1568] You can get good meals, like, really late at night.

[1569] Yeah.

[1570] That's for sure.

[1571] Yeah.

[1572] Yeah.

[1573] Yeah.

[1574] It's a wild place.

[1575] It really is.

[1576] But you, because you're a clean and sober guy, you avoid all the pitfalls.

[1577] Yeah, yeah.

[1578] I think that's like how it works for me because I'm not like, I'm not a strip club guy.

[1579] You know, I just, I don't, I've learned my lesson on gambling.

[1580] I guess that was like, gamble.

[1581] I did.

[1582] What you used to play?

[1583] Blackjack mainly.

[1584] And that's just the worst odds for you.

[1585] What's the most you've ever lost in a night?

[1586] 50k Dana White told me he lost a million bucks one night Yeah I'm not at that level But he won 7 million And then when he won 7 million I'm a baby he's as far as that kind of losses Dave is crazy But they kicked him out of the casino They said he can't come back Yeah that's the problem You actually win you do well for yourself When the odds are stacked against you And they kick you out that's crazy Well the crazy thing is he's just gambling Yeah He just happened to win like what are we doing is this really gambling or you're just stealing money from people what are you doing yeah the guy won and they like where you're not allowed to play here anymore right you know he's not stealing he's Dana white yeah you know he's rich yeah yeah exactly you know he's just a gambler yeah so this is like real gambling this is not like some guy with some sort of a scheme and he's cheating yeah someone's doing something with the car yeah exactly actually gambling yeah and you're mad at him right mad because you lost yeah that's so crazy That's crazy.

[1587] I know.

[1588] Following the rules.

[1589] You can't come back.

[1590] They'll ban you from the casino.

[1591] Yeah.

[1592] I almost wish I was like, can I get to that level?

[1593] I was like, can I get there where I've just won that much?

[1594] Fuck that, man. I'm not interested.

[1595] I don't gamble at all.

[1596] I used to gamble on fights.

[1597] Yeah.

[1598] But then I was like, maybe I shouldn't be doing this because I'm doing commentary on these fights.

[1599] Conflict of interest.

[1600] But that was the early days, like the early 2000s, like 2003 and four and shit like that.

[1601] Because they would have some wacky numbers back then, too.

[1602] Like, guys would come in from other organizations, and these odds makers didn't know who they were.

[1603] And I was a fanatic.

[1604] So I knew who everybody was.

[1605] I knew these guys were fighting in Japan.

[1606] I was like, oh, da, da, da, da, da, bat on that.

[1607] Everything in this motherfucker.

[1608] Because there was times where a guy was the favorite, and I was like, that guy has no chance.

[1609] Like, he's going to get murked.

[1610] Yeah, right.

[1611] And I was right, like, 80 % of the time.

[1612] Like, my friend Aubrey, and I've given him tips.

[1613] I give him tips now because I don't gamble myself on it.

[1614] But we're like an 86 % winning rate.

[1615] But why stop then?

[1616] Because you're commentating.

[1617] I don't.

[1618] There's no law against it.

[1619] I can't affect the outcome.

[1620] But I don't want to be psychologically, I don't want to be subliminally influenced or subconsciously influenced.

[1621] Like wanting someone to win.

[1622] Like if you've got $10 ,000 riding on a fight, you're going to want that guy to win.

[1623] I don't care how much of a professional you are.

[1624] You know, when someone loses, you're going to be like, fuck what are you fucking made the whole thing is like you're supposed to be there to do justice to the experience of these two guys going at it and giving their all that's supposed to be hoping one guy yeah that's true but it's also really hard for me when a friend's fighting you know like Daniel Cormier fights is very hard for me to see him very hard yeah like the last fight with Stepe and I love Stepe too but to watch Stepe beat the shit out of Daniel was rough it was hard yeah because Daniel is such a good guy i love that guy and to watch him eat those left hooks to the body and then get beaten down i was like oh oh that must be hard and i'm commentating on it like it's an amazing thing i'm watching right right it is amazing so it's hard to separate you know when brend shaw was fighting it was the hardest that was the hardest because i was good friends with him and i knew he really didn't want to fight anymore and i was like god damn that that's that's really that must be really hard it was when he doesn't want to fight anymore and he's just getting beaten He was getting beaten and he was getting beaten bad and I didn't I didn't see an end to it Who's the guy with the nose that went crooked like this recently Mike Perry?

[1625] Oh that I know that picture's crazy crazy crazy I can't believe someone can continue fighting when their nose is literally across their face that dude's a savage I mean you have to be a savage He's a 100 % bona fide died in the wool savage like he literally like imagine what he's fighting through when he has his his nose over here his face has to be completely numb.

[1626] Well, no, no, no, no. I mean, I don't know.

[1627] I don't really know.

[1628] Massive pain.

[1629] The sinuses are one of the most sensitive areas of your face.

[1630] When you get your nose shattered, first of all, you can't see.

[1631] Your eyes are watering, and his nose is pouring blood.

[1632] Oh, my.

[1633] So he's getting choked, right?

[1634] He's in the middle of getting chugged.

[1635] Look at his nose.

[1636] Like, that is the worst fucking nose I've ever seen in my life.

[1637] Of all the years of calling fights, The only thing that comes close is Rich Franklin when he fought Anderson Silva.

[1638] Pull up Rich Franklin's nose versus Anderson Silva, and you'll see similar, but not quite as horrific.

[1639] But the thing is about Rich Franklin was bummed out about his nose, whereas, you know, Mike Perry was like, fuck, yeah.

[1640] He didn't, look at the one, the far left, far left, far left, far left, far left, right there, click that one.

[1641] That's the one where Anderson Silva sort of reconstructed his.

[1642] nose it's hard to see in that picture make it larger so that that's his nose after yeah it's all shifted off to the left see how it looks all fucked up wow but that ain't shit compared to mike parries mike parries is the worst nose in the history of the sport did they i mean what does he look like now who's that guy's nose click on that one in the middle above above it looks like gronk a little bit jesus wow whose fucking nose is that Jesus It went up into his forehead Look like His worst nose breaks in the UFC Who is that dude Yeah he looks like Like half his nose is up in his eyelids Oh my God That's just swelling right But look how March shift Ryan McGilvray Woo that's rough Wow Jesus Christ Wow Yeah Yeah he's still smiling He's still smiling There's showgun Shogun's nose got fucked up, too.

[1643] I think that was against John Jones.

[1644] Yeah.

[1645] Kung Lee's nose got shattered.

[1646] Yeah, man. And then you got to get it all reconstructed and they got to sort of stitch the bones back together again and like, rhr.

[1647] Because if you get this bone shatters, I'm like, oh, man, there's not much there.

[1648] You know, it's such a, if you feel that bone, it's like so gentle.

[1649] Right.

[1650] So delicate.

[1651] Yeah.

[1652] If you take a knee there, like, ooh.

[1653] That's how they're breaking it, right?

[1654] Yeah.

[1655] He's all right now?

[1656] Wow, he looks pretty good.

[1657] Damn, they did an amazing job.

[1658] He's eating pizza.

[1659] I mean, Aoki pizza?

[1660] But the crazy thing is his nose looked like the worst situation that you could possibly get in, and his nose now looks pretty normal, where the other guys' noses are just like, that one guy with the bulge right by his eyebrows, and his nose is still curved to the right, and he's smiling.

[1661] You'd assume Mike Perry would have that kind of nose after that kind of situation.

[1662] No, that guy's right after the fight.

[1663] You know, Mike Perry had to go through extensive surgery overseas.

[1664] Where does that fight take place?

[1665] Uruguay.

[1666] Yeah, so he had to stay there and get really extensive surgery.

[1667] He was there for several days just to try to recover before he could fly home.

[1668] The scary thing is he's going to get back in the ring.

[1669] Fuck, yeah, he is.

[1670] I loves it.

[1671] And then that bone that he's going to have is going to break down again.

[1672] Is it going to be weaker?

[1673] Or is it going to...

[1674] I wish I could tell you.

[1675] I don't know.

[1676] You know, it really depends entirely.

[1677] Because imagine if it just shatters again.

[1678] He's got to do it again.

[1679] Yeah.

[1680] I mean, how many times?

[1681] Got his nose reconstructed.

[1682] Who's, what is this?

[1683] Not a UFC, but it's called EFC?

[1684] E .S.?

[1685] Yeah, kicked in the face.

[1686] Oh, my God.

[1687] Oh, my God.

[1688] That's the worst nose ever.

[1689] Oh, my.

[1690] That's horrible.

[1691] Oh, my God.

[1692] Oh, my God.

[1693] Look at the guy's nose.

[1694] Oh, that's the one that grown his head.

[1695] Oh, the other guy in the bottom is a guy who.

[1696] at his nose damage somehow or another and they grew it on his head oh yeah it's a hard business man what kind of exercise do you do um i'm i like hit training high intensity yeah high intensity um and you know kind of like blending tooth worlds i'm you know i stopped gambling the casino but i love gambling with my friends and i love making prop bets on you know just my recent one was a body fat challenge because that was a 19 .6 april 14th and 19 % yeah and then I dropped to well my the bet was if I can drop till 10 % in three months oh that's easy well maybe for someone that really understands how to do that but like you know I wanted to get there and I just like when I work out I kind of work out just on being healthy and cardiovascular and just like you know just staying in shape but I didn't I never thought I'd get below 10 % but you must have changed your diet pretty well yeah cut out sugar cut out bread, cut out pasta, all that stuff.

[1697] Stay below 1 ,800 calories.

[1698] And you are, you're vegetarian still?

[1699] No, I eat chicken and fish, but I stopped eating.

[1700] I don't eat any cows or, you know, cows, pork, pig, or lamb or anything like that.

[1701] But I pretty much stay with chicken and fish, my proteins.

[1702] And are you, look at you here, my motherfucker working out, looking pretty shredded.

[1703] You're way below 10 % there.

[1704] What are you there?

[1705] I think I'm 12.

[1706] Really?

[1707] Right there?

[1708] Yeah.

[1709] Where are you keeping your fat in your brain?

[1710] That doesn't make any sense.

[1711] No, it's in my ass.

[1712] I mean, I'm probably where I am now because I've, you know, the bet ended in July 14th.

[1713] But I did win the bet, so I made 15 grand for my friends.

[1714] Ah, that's fun.

[1715] But that's like how I'm motivated to do things.

[1716] I like to make bets with people to have these little challenges.

[1717] and then with that timeline, then I work with my trainer who's, you know, holding the towel down.

[1718] And he trains me every time I'm home.

[1719] And he gets me on my meal plans.

[1720] So I deal with him all the time.

[1721] Do you do like a meal prep service?

[1722] I do it through his company.

[1723] Okay.

[1724] So I do that.

[1725] Diced kitchen, I think, Dice Kitchen.

[1726] He's your friend.

[1727] Huh?

[1728] Yeah, but like, you know, it just gets like my.

[1729] assistant puts it in the fridge but you know i've got it's all like chicken and vegetables yeah pretty much turkey chicken fish and then and then veggies and you drop down to 1800 calories a day drop down to 800 calories a day and this is the hard part is i'm on the road well like you know more than 60 % of the days when i was not touring across europe and when i'm touring across europe all summer long i'm gone so how are you getting like really healthy food every meal when you're doing this.

[1730] I round ball, you know, eyeball kind of my calorie count whenever I eat and I have my fitness pal as my, my judge.

[1731] Who is that?

[1732] My fitness pal is on an app?

[1733] It's an app, yeah, Under Armour app that, like, I just put in all my food.

[1734] So you just use it to just make sure that I'm eyeballing this 1800 calorie deficit kind of diet.

[1735] And then, you know, just avoid the over -starchy, over -carb -y foods and focus more on eating the proteins and the veggies.

[1736] Did you take vitamins or supplements it?

[1737] Yeah, like I try to switch it on and off.

[1738] Like I said, like before, after I met Ray, I was like, okay, I need to just find out what I'm deficient, and I'm going to just load up on those.

[1739] And then I went to see Dr. Grossman, who kind of gave me my 22 -page pack of my telomere links to cancer markers.

[1740] if I have them, you know, to, like, what I'm allergic to, to what I'm deficient in.

[1741] And then, and then I followed that regimen of what the vitamins I was taking, some of which was, I still take.

[1742] Like, one is called cellargin.

[1743] It's kind of like a, you know, the closest thing to a stem cell, like, injection, if you can, if you can swallow it.

[1744] It's like, you know, it's got this, a lot of anti -aging properties in it.

[1745] Cellurgeon.

[1746] Cellurgeon.

[1747] What's in it?

[1748] Look it up, and you could do your Joe Rogan research on that and give me some more.

[1749] But I just trusted my doctor on this one.

[1750] Okay.

[1751] But it's expensive.

[1752] It's like $10 a pill.

[1753] Really?

[1754] Pull that up.

[1755] Cellurgeon.

[1756] And I take...

[1757] Jamie has skeptical hippo face.

[1758] And I also take a...

[1759] Progert.

[1760] Progert.

[1761] Yeah.

[1762] So it's a one trillion probiotics.

[1763] Oh, wow.

[1764] It's in a little...

[1765] Like, I take that every day.

[1766] Really?

[1767] You know, for the bio...

[1768] Swiss Cell therapy, cellurgeon.

[1769] Hmm.

[1770] Hello there.

[1771] Thank you for visiting cellarics.

[1772] intelligence online store pop -up window point so um hmm this is what is it two thousand dollars for six months damn it is expensive it's very expensive and what is it backed by uh cellular marine complex peptide e collagen biodena hydro m n peptide sounds like you're gonna piss hot sir other ingredients include lutein grape skin extract selenium which is important co -enzyme Q10 i take that that's one thing that Ray Kurzweil really pushes is that that Q10 yeah it's great for cognitive function yeah you fuck around with mushrooms at all I mean like healthy mushrooms like Lions mane or anything like that no really good stuff that's what I've been drinking this is all lion's made elixir I'll try that up drink the shit all the time it supports brain function yeah that's like anything that's about the brain I want to know more about yeah this is one of my sponsors this is um 4 -sigmatic I'll have them send some of this stuff.

[1773] Please.

[1774] Please.

[1775] And then we actually have Lions Main that we put in the coffee, too.

[1776] Yeah.

[1777] And then Laird Hamilton's superfood shit.

[1778] Have you seen that coffee machine that I have out of No. Oh, I'm going to get you something.

[1779] Do you drink coffee?

[1780] Yes.

[1781] Yes, I do.

[1782] Okay.

[1783] We wrap this up.

[1784] I'll make you a nice cup of turmeric coffee.

[1785] Oh, I love turmeric coffee.

[1786] Yeah.

[1787] Well, he's, Laird Hamilton has this amazing machine out there that he gave us.

[1788] We got one of the first machines.

[1789] and it's uh he mixes um coconut oil coconut milk uh turmeric organic coffee and it's fucking delicious and it's actually very good for you wow and then he also has like this bag of mushrooms cordyceps mushrooms and lion's mane you can scoop that in there but lions main in particular is one i'm really interested in because it supports brain function you know and uh have you have seen the work of paul stamets do you know who he is no i'll turn you on to him um and send you a link to the podcast that I did with him, he'll blow your fucking mind when he's talking about the power of functional mushrooms, not just mushrooms like psychedelic mushrooms, which he's into that as well.

[1790] He thinks that psychedelic mushrooms in low doses are like one of the most powerful neutropics that you could have, like micro -dosing.

[1791] Yeah.

[1792] Yeah, but instead of getting blitz out of your mind and going into another dimension, you take it just a little bit every day, just a little tiny bit.

[1793] And it gives you this like overwhelming feeling of operating at a very high function.

[1794] It's a weird feeling, but it's that micro -dosing psilocybin thing is swept through the fighter community.

[1795] There's a lot of fighters that are training while they're micro -dosing mushrooms.

[1796] Wow.

[1797] Yeah.

[1798] It's very interesting.

[1799] Why are they doing that?

[1800] Why is it trainers?

[1801] Well, Donald Soroni's really into it.

[1802] And a few other fighters have followed suit.

[1803] And Donald, I think, started doing it because of Joe Schilling, who's a world champion kickboxer.

[1804] and he's fighting for Bellator now and they just find that there's something about the way it interacts, the way the psilocybin particularly in low doses, interacts with your brain that it just seems to supercharge your ability to understand what a person is doing specifically according to Joe when he's sparring with people he says he almost can like read their minds.

[1805] Wow.

[1806] Yeah.

[1807] That's really interesting.

[1808] Yeah.

[1809] Very, very interesting.

[1810] I know a lot of people, a lot of skiers.

[1811] skiers like to microdose it's becoming this a thing where people try to take like a functional amount so like you're not getting blitzed you just take what is a functional amount that's a good question good question like a like a stem like a little drop no that's even i mean the best way to find out what it would be would be to grind it up so you know the exact ounces and then put in a capsule yeah and then figure it out and i think that's what a lot of these guys are doing it's just very unfortunate that that is a Schedule 1 drug.

[1812] Yeah.

[1813] Because it's a natural life form that grows on earth.

[1814] It's a fungus.

[1815] Yeah.

[1816] It's not a drug.

[1817] Yeah.

[1818] And it's got some pretty potent, positive qualities to it.

[1819] Right.

[1820] But outside of, you know, anything that's psychoactive or psychedelic, that lion's main stuff is the shit.

[1821] Well, let's put it in this water right now then.

[1822] Come on, son.

[1823] Here you go, baby.

[1824] It's going to be a, it's going to be my Elon Musk's smoking weed moment right now.

[1825] Sort of.

[1826] Nobody gets high off lines, man. I cut that open for you.

[1827] Cool, thank you.

[1828] So other than that, other than this cell stuff, what is it again?

[1829] What's it called?

[1830] Cellargen.

[1831] I wish I had, like, my, someone from my team kind of give me my whole list because I take something for, I take a lot of brain cognitive stuff that I, that, um, that, um, not, some might can be considered that way, but it's from my doctor that, you know, um, and, you know, from what i i do enough research to on the doctors and they they tell me kind of what i should take and and i go okay let's try this out see if and like you know my my uh performance increases and then i stop so i'll do it for like a month and i'll stop and i'll take a different like you know i have like two different routes of vitamins and i take a different round to see if that changes my patterns or how um you know what my performance is like and i kind of like just experiment over again over and again have you ever done the isolation tank floating in a yeah yeah i love that do you do that i did it twice it's very new to me but it's like it's incredible yeah you need one of those in your life yes you should get one of those in your crazy fun house i know i was thinking about that there's one place in henderson where i live that does that so i was going to first do that first there yeah do it man um we have one here yeah i mean like the the last two years like the ice plunges I just learned the Wim Hof method I love that Love that amazing I've been I've never met him in person But he's great Yeah I know he's in your In your lane friends He's a character man Yeah I've seen the documentary He's like that's what the vice documentary That guy doesn't watch the diet at all He drinks beer and eats spaghetti Like he's fucking ridiculous But he doesn't give a shit It goes to Everest fucking barefoot Yeah it's crazy Yeah he climbs Everest in his shorts It's too easy yeah he's like but he gets other people to do with him to show that like anyone could do that yeah it's incredible he's a unique human being like a really true truly unique human being in in the sense that he's just talking about breathing he's not talking about doing some sort of incredible athletics that you know a rare few people can achieve no he's talking about concentrating on your breathing and understanding how you can inhale like deeper breaths and concentrate on the breath and that in doing so you're changing your physiological state and he's got a whole program that shows you how to do it correctly and it enhances your immune system and enhances your awareness and it's wild shit that's incredible yeah yeah i mean i try to do that breath work uh whenever i possibly can i have there's two people that i've worked with that that uh trained underneath whim one of one of them's in miyorka spain so whenever i'm in my yorka spain i meet up with him we do the breath work holding breath exercises and then we do the breath work we do the ice bath.

[1832] And then I've one that's based in San Diego, this woman, and she comes out to Vegas.

[1833] And then I'd like to do the group dynamic ice bath.

[1834] So I have this like pool that's not an ice bath, but it's 50 degrees.

[1835] So it's cold enough to like feel it.

[1836] That's fucking cold.

[1837] Yeah, exactly.

[1838] So I get like whoever wants to join me, but you like this group kind of, you know, huddle.

[1839] We get in there, we come out.

[1840] We do the breath work, hold our breath, you know.

[1841] And it's a great.

[1842] way to get people together and experience something like that too no that's awesome man the ufc training center of the performance institute in uh Vegas has this hot bath right next to a cold plunge and they have people going back and forth between the two have you ever been to that place uh yeah i shot my music video there because i had Bruce buffer featuring on a song of mine called it's time oh that's hilarious it's funny i didn't bring that up earlier because you're so tied in with ufc but we shot the video there i was training to fight the other DJ that we i made the song with and Bruce...

[1843] You're training to fight a DJ?

[1844] Well, I mean, the video is like...

[1845] Oh, the video you're training to fight the DJ.

[1846] Right.

[1847] At the UFC facility.

[1848] Yeah.

[1849] And this legendary UFC fighter, I'm facing his name, he was training me. So it was kind of cool to have him there with me. What do you look like?

[1850] Well, you could pick up the video.

[1851] Okay, I'll find it.

[1852] Can I run and use the bathroom real quick?

[1853] Yeah, sure, sure.

[1854] Go ahead.

[1855] I'm holding this piss.

[1856] Here we go.

[1857] So we're watching it on the video.

[1858] Aoki versus Luke There's Bruce Buffer So who's training him though There's all these people Running around Bruce Buffer Who is Who's training him I don't see any UFC guy Training him But you keep jumping ahead We're not going to see it Not focusing on There It's too quick Yeah but who is that Oh, it's Ken Shamrock Shamrock.

[1859] Shamrock has to say.

[1860] I'll show him eventually here.

[1861] Oh, there you go.

[1862] Ken Shamrock screaming in his face with sunglasses on.

[1863] He's a trip, isn't he?

[1864] Yeah.

[1865] He's a very interesting guy.

[1866] Yeah.

[1867] Cake me. Cake me. Oh, my God.

[1868] That's hilarious.

[1869] Okay.

[1870] He's, um, it's, it's so interesting when you see all these different people of these different paths in life.

[1871] And you go, oh, okay, you could go down that path too.

[1872] You know, like the Steve Aoki path.

[1873] is so different than most paths.

[1874] And I think that one of the cooler things about talking to people is you get this sense that the way you can live your life is not as rigid as people would have you believe.

[1875] They'd have you believe that there's only a few different ways to go about this.

[1876] There's not that much variability.

[1877] We're saying nice things about you.

[1878] He just returned.

[1879] It was Ken Shamrock.

[1880] He was the legendary fighter.

[1881] Yeah.

[1882] So he was like, you know, when you're, I was hanging like, And he's just like slap my stomach and stuff.

[1883] Right.

[1884] Yeah, we were watching it, sunglasses screaming at you.

[1885] Exactly.

[1886] Do you do any martial arts training?

[1887] You know, strangely enough, like my biggest hero growing up is Bruce Lee.

[1888] So, you know, in the beginning, I started wanting to learn Jekundo and, you know, more comfortable stuff.

[1889] Did you see once in a time in Hollywood?

[1890] Not yet.

[1891] There's a scene in there that's very negative about Bruce Lee.

[1892] I love the movie.

[1893] I really enjoyed it.

[1894] I'm a huge Tarantino fan.

[1895] I think it's awesome.

[1896] I heard those controversy around that, but I didn't see that.

[1897] It's very, very controversial, because he made Bruce Lee look like a buffoon.

[1898] Oh, that sucks.

[1899] A really arrogant buffoon.

[1900] Wow.

[1901] And I don't think there's any evidence that he was ever really like that.

[1902] Yeah.

[1903] But, you know, Tarantino sort of dug his heels in and sort of defended it.

[1904] But I don't think he knows the culture because he's not a martial artist.

[1905] I think he looked at, I think he looked at Bruce Lee as sort of like this historical figure that's, you know, kick.

[1906] people's asses and movies and I think to understand Bruce Lee the way you do or the way I do where he was my childhood hero as well.

[1907] He's the guy that's really responsible for mixing martial arts.

[1908] When you talk about mixed martial arts, like all credit has to go to the graces because they're the ones who, you know, Helson Gracie and Horian and Hoyce and Hickson and that family was responsible for really showing people jiu -jitsu and also horian invented the ufc so without horian and his contributions me we might not have ever known what we know today right but bruce lee was on that path a long time ago yeah he had figured out a long time ago that you got to find what's useful in all different styles of martial arts exactly he's also deeply entrenched in philosophy yeah he was a brilliant guy so they made him look like this buffoon in the movie that sucks i didn't like it that's like one of the the main things about bruce lee that i loved about him was that his his philosophy and a lot of things to say about life yes like the martial arts was one thing that's like well made him cool made him such a badass but it's his philosophy the words behind all that and how it it can reflect on everyone be like water and the best part for me is that he's it's an asian face Because, I mean, at the end of the day, you think about what's out there in the media and popular culture.

[1909] You don't see an Asian face that's loved and by all different ethnicities.

[1910] Yeah, he's the number one.

[1911] He's the, like every, it doesn't matter if you're black, white, brown, purple, yellow, whatever you are, you like, you have to honor, like, one of the greats.

[1912] Everybody likes Bruce Lee.

[1913] And he's Asian.

[1914] So he represents something very powerful for Asian people.

[1915] How many Chinese dudes got laid?

[1916] because of Bruce Lee.

[1917] Fuck, man. The number's probably, if you take the main, like, how many Chinese people that got laid with non -Chinese women?

[1918] Oh, yeah.

[1919] Yeah, that's like, because at the end of the day, like, the women love Bruce Lee.

[1920] Everybody loves Bruce Lee.

[1921] Yeah, everyone, everybody.

[1922] And there hasn't been someone like that, you know, that has that striking feeling.

[1923] That's Asian in popular culture like that, you know.

[1924] He's also like the first guy that was really shredded in movies.

[1925] You know, we take his shirt off Yeah, you definitely got that stance down, too.

[1926] He's just like, oh, yeah.

[1927] He was fucking shredded.

[1928] And you would look at him and you go, God, that guy's body's ridiculous.

[1929] Like, everybody wanted that body.

[1930] Everybody wanted to be lean and muscular.

[1931] That's where I got my room at my house, that Bruce Lee room.

[1932] Game of death, right?

[1933] Is that game of death or End of the Dragon?

[1934] That's End of the Dragons.

[1935] At least for me, I got the mirror room from End of the Dragon, but the mirror room scene is way more mirrors like kind of in different degrees.

[1936] Yeah, it was Enter the Dragon, right?

[1937] Yeah.

[1938] Yeah, it was under the dragon.

[1939] Fuck, that was a good movie.

[1940] And for the time, those movies, you know, if people don't like them or do like them, what's interesting about Bruce is the style of fighting in those movies, like jumping, flying kicks and all that stuff, that's not what he advocated at all.

[1941] He did that purely for the cinematic value of it.

[1942] He wanted to make it exciting and flashy.

[1943] he was all about kicking people the knees and a bunch of people in the throat he was about really effective techniques that you could use to end a fight in seconds that was what he was all about but what he did do was there was like two big bursts in martial arts and Bruce Lee was responsible in my opinion for the first he was responsible for getting people excited about training martial arts and seeing this guy that could kick everybody's ass and this guy was like he was quiet and humble but you know when it came time to throw it down and take a shirt off and fuck everybody up yeah and then the next stage was the ufc those are like in my lifetime the two big and really culturally the two big leaps in martial arts was people getting into bruce lee because of getting into martial arts because of bruce lee movies yeah of course chuck norris movies yeah and then the next one was getting into martial arts because of the ufc right so was a bummer It was a bummer that they made him look like a dope.

[1944] That sucks.

[1945] I was excited to watch that movie because I thought that Bruce Lee was going to look like about us.

[1946] Because in the trailer, you're like, oh, no, Bruce Lee's in there.

[1947] It's going to be cool with Brad Pitt, Leonardo DiCaprio, Quentin Tarantino.

[1948] It's going to be epic.

[1949] It's a fucking great movie, though.

[1950] Don't let it hold you back because the movie's fun of shit.

[1951] I really enjoyed it.

[1952] I like all his movies.

[1953] I loved Hateful 8.

[1954] A lot of people don't.

[1955] like hatefully.

[1956] I loved it.

[1957] I think his movies are, if you're into like a Tarantino movie, like, I like his style of making movies.

[1958] Pulp Fiction, yeah.

[1959] Django.

[1960] Yeah.

[1961] They're wild -ass.

[1962] They're great films.

[1963] Absolutely great films.

[1964] Such a fan.

[1965] I'm just glad he's out there because it's like there's moments in that movie where I don't want to, I'm not going to give anything away, but there's moments in Hollywood where are you going, I can't believe you could still do this in a movie.

[1966] Like in this day and age, like you're allowed to do that in a movie he goes hard in the paint but the Bruce Lee things you know whatever you're gonna do it wasn't real the real Bruce Lee is what's interesting and exciting to me right you know I mean that's where like my my record label Dimock it's you know you know what Dimock is yeah I mean it's not necessarily tied to Bruce Lee but it's my way of of like you know instead of calling it Bruce Lee Records or I love Bruce Lee records I was like, well, this is this mysterious death touch.

[1967] And, you know, there's, like this mystery around that, that's connected sort of to Bruce Lee.

[1968] There's, yeah, it would be really interesting if there really was a dim mock, like a mysterious death touch, if it was, it was real.

[1969] But a lot of fucking people believe in it.

[1970] Have you ever seen those videos on Instagram?

[1971] When they, when that old man, dof, dof, dof, dof, too, people fall down.

[1972] This McDojo life on Instagram was kind of a shitload of in this guy.

[1973] just collects them all and there's so many of them that are so ridiculous i posted one a couple of days ago of this uh it looks like an ikego guy and he's just like doing this like watch watch this video guy comes out of him he's like pushes him away oh i makes you fall down look it's like so goofy he's standing like oh oh you fall down look at him you are on the ground you have no power here it's so ridiculous yeah it is it's it's playing playing He believes it Yeah It's so, so fucking corny It's like those evangelical preachers that like They touch someone's head And the guys like falling over Yeah, it's, you know And they're all practicing it, look Like they're all practicing all this nonsense And we get you killed in a real fight Yeah And these guys are leaving their house They're putting on their fucking outfit Right They really think that this is real This is actually happening Yeah It's so corny It really is What you're going to do But listen man I really enjoy talking to you I appreciate it coming out here.

[1974] Thanks for having me. Your book blue, the color of noise, is available right now, right?

[1975] It is.

[1976] It's out everywhere.

[1977] Did you do the audio book?

[1978] Did you read it?

[1979] I read the, there's drops in there.

[1980] It's called what I call drops.

[1981] They're like these small little chapters between the chapters.

[1982] So I read those.

[1983] I try to read the old book, but I was touring all summer.

[1984] So I could only read the drops.

[1985] That's too bad.

[1986] Yeah.

[1987] I'd like to hear you read it.

[1988] Especially since it's your life.

[1989] Yeah, there is like 10 drops.

[1990] So you can hear me talk about it in my tone, in my voice.

[1991] And if people want to catch your live show, where can they get information on where to go?

[1992] Steve Aoki .com.

[1993] Everything's Steve Aoki online.

[1994] It's pretty simple.

[1995] All right.

[1996] Well, thank you, brother.

[1997] Appreciate it, man. Thank you.

[1998] Thank you for having me. Bye, everybody.