JRE MMA Show #41 with T.J. Dillashaw & Duane Ludwig

[0] Yes, sir.

[1] Dog, okay.

[2] I'm like, all right, and then we leave it there.

[3] I think you'd be too nervous, yeah, like you said.

[4] Boom, and we're live.

[5] UFC motherfucker bad -of -weight champion, T .J. Dillishaw.

[6] And Dwayne.

[7] How you doing, Mr. Ludwig?

[8] Master splinter.

[9] What's up, buddy?

[10] Good to see you, man. Good to see you.

[11] You got golf shirts now, too.

[12] Look at you, you respectable motherfucker.

[13] I'm 40 now.

[14] Oh, you got to step up my game.

[15] People walking in the dojo and he's got to look dressed to the nines, you know, looking like it's the job.

[16] But there's a warning sign on the wall.

[17] It says explicit language.

[18] Oh.

[19] so you let people know people are going to be swearing up in this bitch.

[20] Yes, sir.

[21] Line up motherfuckers.

[22] Let's go.

[23] Bow on the mat first, though.

[24] Do you say that when you teach classes?

[25] Do you swear to your classes?

[26] So I get into it.

[27] Yeah, I'm passionate.

[28] Yeah, no, you are.

[29] Yeah.

[30] You get fired up.

[31] Yes, that's why I don't teach the kids.

[32] We have a separate room for the kids' classes.

[33] That's smart, man. Yeah.

[34] That's so you have a children's program?

[35] Yes, sir.

[36] Nice.

[37] Dude, I love the fact that you take regular classes.

[38] I watch you on the Instagram.

[39] Yeah.

[40] Bannerway champion in the world.

[41] Oh, yeah.

[42] Regular classes.

[43] with regular people.

[44] See them in there with you.

[45] Like, holy shit.

[46] I'll start struck and weird it out.

[47] Going through drills.

[48] I love it.

[49] I love, I mean, obviously none of his classes are regular though.

[50] You know, even if you're an average Joe coming off the street, like Duane's teaching you the same shit that I'm doing.

[51] Right.

[52] You know, but yeah, working out with a guy that's never had a real fight before, you know.

[53] I mean, he'll always remember that.

[54] You know, he'll always get to work out with me. So it's cool, man. I like doing it.

[55] And especially at Duane's gym, too, it kind of shows, like, the true love that I have for the system and being in there.

[56] Yeah, I mean, what kind of fucking sport other than MS.

[57] M .A. Is that even possible?

[58] Good point.

[59] Right?

[60] If it's controlled.

[61] Jiu -Jitsu, you could do that, but the people, most people don't know who the Jiu -Jitsu guys are.

[62] I mean, you're fighting on fucking television all the time.

[63] And it's almost, it's almost too easy to have that happen in this sport, you know?

[64] It's where, like, you, there's people you shouldn't be smart with that it happens.

[65] You know, that's why a controlled environment's awesome.

[66] That's why, like, I feel like the small kind of training camps and teams have been so beneficial because you know exactly who you're working out with and who you're getting better with.

[67] But there are times to work out.

[68] with the average guys, you know, not when I'm getting ready for a fight or don't want to get hurt, you know, kind of thing.

[69] And then this is a very controlled system when we're doing Dutch drills that it's, you're not going to go crazy.

[70] You know, there's so many different approaches to training fighters.

[71] Yes, sir.

[72] And you obviously have hit, but you guys have like the best fighter -trainer relationship that I know about, because you guys are so tight.

[73] It's like you guys are really a team, whereas there's always some weird animosity with fighters and trainers and the blowups are just like men and women.

[74] Like when men and women break up and you fucking bitch, you know, you fucking fucking, you fucking, fucking, that happens with, that makes me so sad when I see like fighter, trainer blowouts.

[75] When they separate and talk shit about each other, like, God, that's so, that's such a bummer.

[76] I think it's both of them have too big of an ego.

[77] One wants to be like the coach, maybe coach and the fighter wants to be more popular or whatever it may be, you know.

[78] And it just, I don't know, whenever, when, Dwayne came into the gym and as soon as he was there from the first practice I knew we were going to get along he's a crazy motherfucker he likes to go hard um competitive and it's kind of like everything i do you know but you're also you have a very very well thought out system yes sir like i've been i was very impressed with like just your documentation of your system how you have all these different things worked out like these aren't like just half i mean there's obviously creativity involved when an actual fight is happening but your system is so well thought out and and so comprehensive I feel that's what I'm supposed to be doing is organizing the chaos of a fight so that the regular person can understand what's happening.

[79] When I was fighting in training, fighting was scary and I was very scared of it, so I wanted to make sure I understood what was going on.

[80] So I just started mapping it out.

[81] And a lot of that came from Sensei Aruvon because he had the number system of three was job cross hook rather than three just being the left hook.

[82] So he sparked the initial interest to just start categorizing everything, put things into a system and it helped out.

[83] Yeah, but you don't sleep.

[84] He thinks about it nonstop.

[85] He doesn't sleep.

[86] There's only one way to be great.

[87] I'll get a text message in the middle of the night when we're coming up to a fight.

[88] And it'd be like 12, 1 o 'clock.

[89] And even if he's in Colorado, it's 2 o 'clock for him.

[90] And getting a random text message of what I should be doing for this fight.

[91] Like, he's watching sparring tapes of what I was doing when he changed this and he changed that.

[92] I mean, this guy cares about my career just as much as I do.

[93] And that's why it works, you know.

[94] Yeah, it's true.

[95] I want him to be the best you could be.

[96] I mean, it's a great thought -out system, but, like, I've never had the same training camp.

[97] And I don't ever have the same calm.

[98] We have, like, your system base is the same, but it always veers off.

[99] Like, I don't even know what the TJ combo is anymore.

[100] I think it's changed like eight.

[101] We always got to change things out.

[102] It's always like an add -on or change, so.

[103] Well, I remember the first time you fought Hennon Barow when you won the title.

[104] And Dwayne and I had lunch together, and there was a bunch of people at the table, but Dwayne didn't even know they were alive.

[105] He wasn't even paying attention.

[106] He was just telling me exactly how it was going to go down.

[107] And he was just talking about all the things they've been, and his hands are moving, and his shoulders are twitching.

[108] His eyes moving around back and forth And he was going a hundred miles an hour With his voice I was like wow dude you're geared up He goes he's gonna fuck him up He's gonna fuck him up For sure I mean you see the emotion that he shows Inside Doc Don after the fights you know So that's how much he cares going into That's how nervous he is you know And like I said if you have a coach That cares that much about you in your career Then you don't let it go Yeah when you were in Sacramento And then you moved to Colorado You have basically kind of had a start from scratch a lot of people obviously know who you are you're a well -sought -out trainer but you were opening up your own place from scratch and now that place is fucking mobbed and you're expanding.

[109] Yes, sir, yeah, we're expanding and just continuing to grow and have a good positive outlet for people to explore their soul, right?

[110] That's why I'm here is to teach martial arts so I'm glad everyone else is realizing that as well and I can cross paths with the ninjas like T .J. Dillishaw and help them become better martial artists and it's just the good, you know, 100 % living vicariously through TJ and all my athletes and everybody under the BMT umbrella.

[111] It's a good way to give back and basically relive another career for the most part, right?

[112] And that's what we should be doing anyways, paying the positive lessons forward and onto the next generation.

[113] And that's the definition of sense, actually, meaning history teacher, teacher, you know, from those who've come before you.

[114] And to have somebody like, TJ, as dedicated as he is, it's a true blessing.

[115] And that's why I'm all in.

[116] He's all in.

[117] I'm all in.

[118] Let's go.

[119] Yeah, well, it's just rare that you find all -in coach and all -in fighter and they get together and you guys have such unique working.

[120] I'm more than all -in.

[121] Same with you.

[122] Like, I'm, like, addicted, you know?

[123] Like, I can't, like, if I'm not completely, like, full -blown into it, I mentally am fucked when I get home, you know?

[124] Now, coming off of the second victory over Cody and then being able to stop him even quicker this time.

[125] And just all the crazy shit talking that led up to that fight and the results of the first fight i mean that's got to be very satisfying to you that everything is going according to plan absolutely man um it is especially with the whole buildup you know it was like two years of just bullshit i'm having to deal with that my life and that's not the kind of person i am you know i'd be in the mountains you'd not be able to get a hold of me hunting or just camping and like if i if i could disappear i'd take the advantage to do it you know so that crazy attention and just like the shit talk and the tv show them accusing me of everything like yeah that took a lot you know And so for all that to be, like, taken off my shoulders, feels great.

[126] For you, though, that's got to be a real feeling of, like, retribution, too.

[127] Like, no matter what they said, like, you had the right idea.

[128] They might not have been happy that you decided to do it for yourself, and the right move for yourself was to go and go to Colorado and be with Dwayne.

[129] But obviously, you were right.

[130] Yeah.

[131] Oh, 100 % I was right.

[132] I mean, that's why I made the decision.

[133] I'm definitely, you know, you've got to be selfish in this sport.

[134] You've got to do what's best for yourself.

[135] In some ways, without fucking people over, you have to be selfish.

[136] Of course.

[137] I mean, we have to know what's best for you.

[138] So the ultimate decision for me was when I got an ultimatum.

[139] You know, like, Uriah knew how much I, like, training with Duane.

[140] He knew how great it was for my mentality, and we just vived right away, you know, and they didn't.

[141] And so when he gave me the ultimatum, like, look, man, you're either doing your camp with Duane or doing with us.

[142] I was like, well, then you don't have my best interest in heart.

[143] I'm out of here, you know?

[144] Like, I sold my house, bought, uh, moving out of Colorado.

[145] Like, I dropped everything.

[146] It went.

[147] Dude, that was tough.

[148] You know, that was a tough situation to go through.

[149] I, yeah, I made the right choice.

[150] Well, your decision, the way you approached it, was very similar to what you were doing, too.

[151] Because when I talked to you, you're like, I'm going to open up my own gym in Colorado.

[152] And I remember thinking, whenever someone thinks they're going to start from scratch with a new gym by themselves, I'm like, oh, I mean, I wish you well.

[153] But damn, that's a lot of work.

[154] You know as well as anybody.

[155] Yes, sir.

[156] I've known since I was a kid, I was going to be a world champion and have my own academy in Colorado.

[157] Check, check.

[158] Wow.

[159] Darding a gym is tough, man. We're doing it now.

[160] while we've been going through it for the last year, year and a half down here in Southern California.

[161] Yeah, and the new place is called the training lab.

[162] The training lab.

[163] But it's spelled funny.

[164] It's got R -E -I -N, like rain.

[165] Yeah, because Mark Munoz had rain down in Lake Forest.

[166] And Sam Calvita, the guy that I moved down for for his strength conditioning, just his crazy mind.

[167] He's beyond smart.

[168] Like, everything he talks about, like, I have to be at his house for hours, pretty much doing a podcast with him to figure out what he's talking about.

[169] And usually always goes over your head.

[170] You know, I've gone, like I said, I'm always full -blown.

[171] I'm in 100%.

[172] And so as soon as he started to show me the science behind what my body needs to do, ever for my diet, my recovery, the days I'm working out, the way I'm doing my straight conditioning, if I'm going to go bigger or how far I am from camp, like everything has a rhyme and reason.

[173] Like every calorie I eat, every macronutrients I eat, he's got it down, written down.

[174] He's like this guy, stays up late and works.

[175] And he doesn't do it for the money or the pride.

[176] Like, he doesn't want anything.

[177] Like, we do it out of his garage.

[178] You know, it's like an old Rocky -style training with Drago science.

[179] I saw that on the UFC Countdown videos.

[180] Yeah, man. We're out in the park.

[181] You know, we're doing crazy.

[182] Like yesterday, I was out in the park with them doing a bunch of crazy stuff and a lot of reaction time stuff.

[183] And just the way he trains is very, very scientific.

[184] And I've seen the gains insanely.

[185] You know, for as old as I am, I'm the strongest and fastest I've ever been.

[186] How old are you now?

[187] 32.

[188] I've been trained since I was eight, you know.

[189] I never got any of this until I started picking.

[190] Sam's brain and I think the real I mean everything it's not bro science either we're not like oh I think I feel better right I'm testing myself you know I've I boosted my hormones I wasn't able to get my wife pregnant for three years and it happened in three months after meeting Sam like I went full blown I went so full blown that I created my own like spice company around his diet you know like I don't what is he got you doing differently what how were you eating before and what were you doing before for strength and conditioning before you met him um so it was I didn't care about what I was I don't cut much weight you know 35 isn't a very big cut for me so what do you walk around at um like right now i probably woke up i haven't been new my um i have to i bulk up to go 35s i put on another like good five pounds of muscle before i start to even worry about my weight at 35s um but i was just eating whatever you know um and i used to make fun of danny for being gluten free if like ah give me more gluten i don't care i'll eat whatever i want i'm the best you know i'll just train hard train harder than everyone But not only my age, but just learning the science behind it.

[191] Now I'm not eating grains, you know, no sugars unless it's simple, like, from fruits and stuff like that.

[192] Yeah, man, I mean, it's a special diet.

[193] I'd say like the club.

[194] You like almost go like paleo, keto, kind of, but obviously our bodies can't do that because I need the simple carbs, and you carbs to run off the stuff.

[195] But, yeah, man, I don't want to give away all the secrets.

[196] But, yeah, man, he's changed up a lot with me. He don't want to give away all his secrets.

[197] But when it comes to nutrition, Like, what is different?

[198] Like, what kind of protein do you have you eating?

[199] What portions of protein?

[200] How much of it is fat?

[201] What are you getting your fat from avocado, coconut oil?

[202] What do you get it from?

[203] Oh, yeah.

[204] A lot of nuts, a lot of coconut oils.

[205] They even pre -make my meals.

[206] So I don't even think about what meals I'm eating.

[207] Jesus Christ.

[208] He does all three of my meals and two of my snacks every day.

[209] And you live in that area when you're in training camp?

[210] Yes, yeah.

[211] So I just bought a house in your Belinda.

[212] Ah, a nice area.

[213] Dude, I love it.

[214] It's amazing.

[215] It's a real good family.

[216] area good school district so um that's how you know your life has changed when you're looking at houses for school districts dude yeah right yeah trust me being a being a father's grace but i'm a change of the whole shifting of your world it's everything yeah i mean it's everything that's everything that's all you think about you know it takes a while to realize you're a different person like oh i'm a different person i used to be i remember you made a comment before saying that there was a an old banana or a fresh banana or something right there's a bit for my act oh is that what it was it doesn't i realize something there was two bananas and one of them was like yellow and perfect and the other one was brown and fucked up but my daughter loves bananas so i took that brown fucked up banana and i ate it because i realized that i was i was putting her above me and that that was i'd never thought about that before and then i said because i love my wife she's an awesome person but if it's just me and her that bitch is getting a shitty banana that's what i drive a freaking Subaru car because it's got five -star crash rid good in the snow.

[217] So, yeah, I think of the kids first for sure.

[218] Dude, Subaru, they own Denver.

[219] Yeah, Colorado.

[220] There's tons of Subaru.

[221] They own Colorado.

[222] But I did just get a Tesla.

[223] So I'm supporting the podcast.

[224] Well, Kyle, not like I just drop 50 grand.

[225] You know, you go on the website, you punch the information.

[226] You put in a $1 ,000 deposit, and then you got to wait for a while for it to be built.

[227] So it's not like I dropped 50 grand.

[228] And then I'm going to lease it through the business anyway, but I've been wanting to get one for a while.

[229] It's funny, man, how Subaru's, like, they've proven themselves in Colorado just for reliability.

[230] They're awesome.

[231] Yep.

[232] They're a ton of old ones still floating around.

[233] Everywhere.

[234] Literally, if you go through Boulder, it's like 50 % Subaru's.

[235] I would say that, yeah.

[236] They just, they've just said, let's just cut the shit.

[237] This one is the best in snow.

[238] Let's stop fucking around.

[239] They never break.

[240] Fucking Japanese cars, man, they never.

[241] I've had three Lexuses.

[242] Never had a single problem with any of them.

[243] Yeah, it's good.

[244] Bill.

[245] Over like 15, 20 years I've had Lexuses.

[246] They never or fuck up.

[247] Perfect.

[248] They just start.

[249] Room.

[250] Every time.

[251] No fuck up.

[252] Three hundred thousand miles on it.

[253] It's still going to run.

[254] Yeah, other cars you get in.

[255] The windows roll halfway down.

[256] What the fuck's going on?

[257] Ding, ding, ding.

[258] Lights go off in the dashboard.

[259] What is this?

[260] It shuts off.

[261] Ah, fuck.

[262] Put black tape over it.

[263] You won't see it no more.

[264] Yeah.

[265] Well, you know.

[266] I don't know.

[267] It's got to be difficult to build cars.

[268] Speaking of cars, does everybody know you have that fucking thing outside?

[269] Are you allowed to talk about?

[270] Oh, yeah.

[271] I'm going to talk about it.

[272] Yeah.

[273] You got one of my favorite cars ever.

[274] The new NSX.

[275] It's amazing car.

[276] That thing's a spaceship.

[277] It really is, man. That's a real spaceship.

[278] It's a real fun car.

[279] What are we talking about?

[280] It has four engines.

[281] Three of them are electric.

[282] I mean, it is a crazy.

[283] It's got that twin turbo v6.

[284] I mean, it's only got high 500s in horsepower.

[285] But it is.

[286] Look at that fucking thing.

[287] But it only got high 500s.

[288] But the torque on it is insane because it's a two electric motors.

[289] So off the start, it's so fast.

[290] Zero to 60 in 2 .9 seconds.

[291] Jesus.

[292] fast, dude.

[293] So good looking, too.

[294] Yeah.

[295] I love the way they look.

[296] They look like a car that's supposed to be built in 2018.

[297] You know what I mean?

[298] It's like, that shit's from the future.

[299] It took them a long time to create that car.

[300] I mean, they stopped making the second generation in a sex like what?

[301] 2005.

[302] I had one.

[303] Oh, did you?

[304] Yeah.

[305] That's why I had two of those, too, yeah.

[306] Yeah.

[307] I had one in the early 90s, and then I had one in 2003.

[308] Okay.

[309] Yeah.

[310] Well, did you like the early 90s or 2000?

[311] No, I like the headlights better in the newer one.

[312] Okay.

[313] But they're all awesome.

[314] Yeah.

[315] They're just, it's not a fast car.

[316] Like if you buy, I think it had 270 horsepower.

[317] Okay.

[318] But it's all aluminum.

[319] It's mid -engine.

[320] It sounds amazing when it gets high, like in the high revs.

[321] But it doesn't sound like, it's not like an old Mustang.

[322] It's like, fuck you.

[323] Like metals at driving the industry.

[324] It's like a sophisticated sound.

[325] Yeah.

[326] But a cool sound, the V -Tech engine.

[327] That was my one problem with the new NSX was how quiet it was because it's a hybrid.

[328] So I'm like the, like I said, it was the one of, three cars in the United States right now that have a custom exhaust for it to make it sound a lot better this guy out in Chicago a B -Rogue I think it is um has designed a uh an exhaust for it you know that car is also even though it's an accurate that car is made in design in the united states yeah the factory's in ohio right yeah yeah it's a total american car but it's under the accurate i mean it's like what is american anymore i mean i don't even understand everything i order stuff is always from china or pakistan or something so but it's also like the parts like are all the parts made here everything you know like assembled that's an issue with harley davidson right trump wants us to ban harley davidson's now i didn't boycott boycott harley davidson's really yeah because harley davidson is going to shift their factories to somewhere to make some part of it or maybe shouldn't he be talked about elin musk and saving the world i don't know i don't i don't think anybody could do trump's job i don't think anybody's president i think it's stupid there's no way to ask one person to have that much responsibility yes yeah that person then he's like 10 15 people to handle that job for sure maybe 30 there's no way I'd ever want the pressure that fuck that job fuck that what how much he's actually doing though I don't want to how much pussy's getting I really want to know because I don't think he just stopped getting pussy he's like I'm Trump yeah for sure he's still on the role there's got to be I mean whether him and milani is still hook up she seems upset with him it's interesting as a drama has watched it all go down like is the investigation closing in on him are they going to put him in jail or is He's got to be like, fuck you.

[329] I'm getting my spaceship.

[330] I'm flying away.

[331] I don't know.

[332] For sure he has a spaceship.

[333] Well, if he doesn't, he's trying to find out if he can get one.

[334] Oh, a gold one that says Trump on the side of it.

[335] That's why he's got to work with Elon Musk again.

[336] Yeah.

[337] Well, Elon bailed on him when they got out of the Paris Accord.

[338] Ah.

[339] Yeah.

[340] The climate accord.

[341] I don't know.

[342] Yeah.

[343] I don't know enough about this.

[344] I don't know how your brain holds on to even that much information.

[345] I don't know either, man. You remember everything.

[346] I remember too much.

[347] It's a problem.

[348] I don't remember shit.

[349] But, like, my wife will tell me from Tuesday.

[350] I'm like, what?

[351] You told me that?

[352] She's like, we're standing right here.

[353] She'll, like, go over all the details because she remembers all of it.

[354] I'm like, okay, I guess you're right.

[355] Okay.

[356] But I'll tell you, in 1852, exactly, exactly.

[357] We have some facts and stats.

[358] Some stupid stats.

[359] That's how I am.

[360] Like, when it comes to martial arts, I feel like I understand, have a good grasp on what's happening, but the outside of martial arts, I don't know that much.

[361] Yeah, but that's probably good, man. You know, I think there's something, there's some, real power in that, having a singular focus.

[362] I think in order to be great at something, you'll have to be that way.

[363] I wouldn't say singular, but I would say very dominantly focused.

[364] Yeah, I think you're right.

[365] Because I would, if I was only thinking about MMA, I would not be here.

[366] Yeah, that's a good point, right?

[367] Like, you need some other things that interest you to relieve the pressure.

[368] Have to.

[369] Otherwise, it's too much in your snap.

[370] What is the best one for you?

[371] Escape -wise?

[372] Yeah.

[373] Jumping on my Malibu boat in my backyard in Colorado and wake.

[374] surfing and just getting out or or hunting both those i like getting out i just went and hiked around in the mountains of colorado for i only got to do two and a half days because i'm too busy but by myself no one else first i'm ever hunting the area i scouted it like three days before it camp but just went out by myself couldn't didn't have a cell phone reception nothing just to your own thoughts for two and a half days so this type of year uh this time of your archery mule deer was that what was yeah so i tried getting a elk tag in colorado but i didn't draw I did draw a meal deer tag for the same area but it's so it's heavily dominated elk so it's hard to get a meal deer there yeah it's hard to get those two to coincide with each other but that's that's hard hunting that's mountain hunting that's the real deal yeah man I mean you're going from 8 ,000 to 10 11 12000 feet you know yeah hike two or three of those mountains and you're toast when you get back hey man when you do that bring that um shroom tech sport that on a shroom tech sport any cordyceps mushroom supplement anything along those lines that's literally how it came about.

[375] They realized these high -altitude cattle herders were realizing that their cows were more active when they were eating these certain mushrooms.

[376] And that's the cortisps mushroom.

[377] We actually grow, we don't grow, but we buy it from people who grow it.

[378] They grow it off caterpillars.

[379] Oh, no way.

[380] They go off the caterpillar?

[381] Yeah, it's fucking weird shit, man. All cortisept mushrooms are grown that way?

[382] I don't know about all, but a lot of them.

[383] That's crazy.

[384] Yeah, they grow them on caterpillars.

[385] So they're definitely not vegan.

[386] I take stream tech and Alphabet before every session.

[387] Is that a plant -based, like...

[388] It's fungal -based.

[389] Okay.

[390] Well, yeah, a mushroom, does.

[391] Mushrooms, they take in air and they breathe out carbon dioxide like we do.

[392] They're closer to animals than they are to plants.

[393] That's a whole different cat.

[394] You ever listen to Paul Stammats?

[395] No. Oh, my God.

[396] I did a podcast with him.

[397] Strap yourself in.

[398] Take three hits, hold on tight, buckle down, and listen to that guy's podcast.

[399] He's a real my college.

[400] Like an actual scientist who studies mushrooms, and he's amazing.

[401] So that's how cortisps mushrooms are grown.

[402] Okay.

[403] Where's the caterpillar underneath that?

[404] I know you can just buy it.

[405] That's a culture of it.

[406] Oh, that's a culture of them?

[407] Yeah, I thought it would have a caterpillar in there.

[408] Oh, okay.

[409] So this is for your home.

[410] That's probably even better, right?

[411] You get it fresh.

[412] I don't know how you make it.

[413] I don't know how to make it either.

[414] A lot of dudes grow shrooms, though.

[415] It's pretty easy, apparently.

[416] Yeah.

[417] But just, it's a phenomenal supplement.

[418] and if you're doing anything high altitude, it will absolutely increase your endurance.

[419] That is one of the only supplements that I'll tell people, look, if you're skeptical about any of this shit, please, I want you to, before you work out, an hour before you take four Shroom Tech sports and get ready, because you're going to have an extra gear.

[420] You've got one extra gear in training.

[421] It's like one extra push.

[422] Like I was saying earlier, I take them before every session with T .J., it's Shroom Tech and Alpha Brain.

[423] It's the B12, it's Cordercepts mushrooms, B -12 and adaptogens, and those are all really important things for energy.

[424] So does Calavita have you doing all kinds of supplementation, and what does he got you taking?

[425] So everyone's got a different supplement plan because he does a hair analysis from us and decides like...

[426] Jesus Christ, he's assigned.

[427] Oh, he really, everything's got numbers, man, everything.

[428] Hair analysis.

[429] Yeah, and so my supplement base would be different than Dwaynes.

[430] I mean, a lot of us have the same aminoes.

[431] We have the same creatine, obviously depending on where you're going for a fight, you know, that kind of stuff.

[432] but when it comes down to what's in your body mineral -wise, like I might have more magnesium or more this or more that and he gets our body back to homeostasis.

[433] So it'll take out we have too much of.

[434] I might need more vitamin B. Was there an example of things you didn't, you have too much of?

[435] I have, well, I have too much arsenic in my body.

[436] Oh, what were you eating?

[437] I think it's rice.

[438] I think the rice is given a lot of, because rice is heavily because it's grown in water.

[439] And so the arsenics come out of the water.

[440] Wow.

[441] Yeah.

[442] Yeah, so I think it's right.

[443] It could be for my tattoos as well.

[444] I mean, tattoo, like the ink.

[445] Yeah, the ink has arsenic in it.

[446] I'm fucked.

[447] Yeah, man, the only person that have more arsenic in my body than me in our camp was Cubs Swanson.

[448] Wow.

[449] And he's all covered in tattoos.

[450] His whole bag and stuff, yeah.

[451] That is crazy.

[452] Now, did they find a way to eliminate it?

[453] Can you eliminate it?

[454] Yeah, so I'm taking, well, I'm taking a lot of different stuff for it, but I'm taking Chorella.

[455] I juice every day.

[456] I juice cilantro.

[457] Solancho are good for heavy metals, getting detox.

[458] I'm taking a thionine, which is like amino to pull it out of your body, and then he's got some drops on me on two that don't even know what they are.

[459] Now, have you got a second test?

[460] Yeah, it's come down by over 50%.

[461] Oh, wow.

[462] Yeah.

[463] So if it's still in your system and it's not eating rice anymore, so it's got to be from your tattoos.

[464] Yeah, it could be.

[465] I mean.

[466] Or is it just slowly leaving?

[467] You can't.

[468] So you can do a collation where they do it by IV, but that stuff's like it's hard on you, how fast it comes out.

[469] So it comes out in, like, pimples.

[470] It'll come out, like, when I have, it started coming out of my arm.

[471] Like, mainly I'd get pimples throughout my arm, and that's kind of your body pushing it.

[472] You also push it through your urine and things like that, but it'll come out of your skin.

[473] You got arsenic zit, son.

[474] Yeah.

[475] How weird.

[476] Yeah.

[477] I tested for arsenic once, but I was eating sardines.

[478] I was eating a lot of sardines.

[479] And apparently they live around the bottom of the ocean, and they get a lot of the heavy metal poisons from that way.

[480] That's crazy, but it makes sense with rice.

[481] That totally makes sense.

[482] But everyone's got different supplements.

[483] Like it just depends on what's in your body, like what you need to get back to perfect homeostasis.

[484] And then he adds, like, you know, the certain amino body muscle building and ubiquinol and the krill oils and things like that for building new red blood cells and things like that.

[485] What is his scientific background?

[486] So I don't know all of that.

[487] I know he worked for NASA.

[488] He was like working with a nuclear anti -defense system.

[489] And then he missed a Christmas or something and decided to move home and be a school teacher.

[490] And he became a calculus teacher.

[491] Whoa.

[492] And he does like a private high school.

[493] And people travel all over the world to do his class, to take his class.

[494] He won some award to be in the best calculus teacher in the world.

[495] Like all of his kids on his placement test scored, I don't know if it's perfect or very high.

[496] And it was so, yeah, he's just like math.

[497] Math will tell you everything.

[498] Yeah.

[499] And the numbers.

[500] It's not, like I said, it's not bro -science.

[501] It's to the exact.

[502] You know exactly if you're getting better.

[503] Yeah.

[504] Well, he must apply that science to his understanding of energy and of intensity.

[505] Because, like, the way you guys train, it's very intense, very explosive.

[506] It reminds me a lot of what I'm seeing, at least, of, like, Marvnavich's type training, like, a lot of pliometrics, a lot of things along those lines.

[507] Would that be fair to say?

[508] Absolutely.

[509] But then we also do, we're also doing...

[510] deadlifts and cleans and we're doing a lot of stuff man um and he mixes it up a lot yeah depending where you're at in your camp um how your body also the recovery so the recovery is huge he listens to our our uh our body while we're sleeping so he gets a report every morning of how he's next to you in the bed pretty much you know like you had a couple glasses of wine last night you know like why you're not recovering he just like knows or if he knows you're too stressed out he knows like he'll tell me when i'm going to get sick yeah like he's caught on me getting sick before i got sick.

[511] He's like, oh, your body's about to crash.

[512] Like, you need to like take the next day next two days off.

[513] Like, you need to really rest.

[514] He helped keep T .J. in that last fight.

[515] Yeah.

[516] It helped repair some injuries, right?

[517] We have to talk about him.

[518] But he helped, he keep, without Sam, that fight may have been different.

[519] Probably my last two fights.

[520] Yeah.

[521] Yeah, you're right.

[522] I've been dealing with some serious stuff last couple of fights, but I've been able to keep my body very, very strong.

[523] You know?

[524] Well, I know you also spent some time with Dr. Neil Reardon down in Panama.

[525] And did that, was that for the same type of injuries same thing yeah yeah so a combination of the science of stem cell and dr neil rorden as well as mora here i got i mean i got stem cells in the states i got in panama like i've had to do a lot to hold myself together kind of thing you know and i feel great um because of the way i'm training and uh yeah i don't think people understand the uh the kind of strain on your body a fight camp puts it's fucking crazy i mean if i worked out the way you guys did once I'm wrecked for a week But you guys are doing two days Every day Constantly going at it And then there's ice baths What does he have you doing Sana, ice bath?

[526] What does he have you got?

[527] For our recovery I mean mainly it's just A lot of most of time taking the time off But we have It's always changing It's always evolving too He's got like this IMIo pro We do for like some sort of stem On her muscles I do light therapy Like electrical stim I do light therapy There's this new place he's starting to work with down in Mission Viejo called O2 Recovery Center where we'll do we'll do cryo, we'll do hyperbaric chamber, we'll do, what was it, CVAC or something like that.

[528] Yeah.

[529] A bunch of different stuff we're going to add to it.

[530] CVAC is a machine we were talking about really recently where it jacks you up in altitude and then brings you down and like changes the pressure inside that little tube and that's supposed to be pretty amazing.

[531] Did you have good results with that?

[532] I actually haven't done yet.

[533] So something he's telling me now that like we're going to add this now.

[534] Like, it's always like, every time I come back to camp, it's like, we're adding the next step.

[535] He doesn't do it all at once.

[536] As it should, right?

[537] Life's always changing, the evolving.

[538] It's never, it'd be like you teaching me the BMT black belt system right away without knowing any of it, you know?

[539] So he like gets my body, like, slowly adapted to certain things, then he adds to it.

[540] What about massage?

[541] A lot, yeah.

[542] Yeah, what kind of massage are they doing?

[543] He doesn't have me to do it.

[544] I just do it because I love it, you know?

[545] But I always do deep tissue for the most part.

[546] And then a lot of the, like, mat, like the stretching.

[547] kind of like a tie massage type stuff yeah a lot of time massage and then also yeah exactly yeah forgot they stretch that's amazing they stand in your back and pull your arms up you're like i have a student brett thomasini he is by far the best massage therapist i've ever come across really he's badass there's someone's out there man he he he's got a black belt and massage therapy that's for sure like a a good massage shouldn't feel that great to the average person like it's gonna hurt it's supposed to hurt you know it's how you're going to feel afterwards and i actually now I've learned to enjoy the pain kind of thing.

[548] Well, yeah, actually, so I've been working this whole last camp, too.

[549] A guy that really helped me get to my camp was, I'm an idiot right now.

[550] That's good.

[551] I'm drawn a blank.

[552] But Javier, he did a lot of bodywork on me that hold me in place as well, too.

[553] Body work as opposed to, like, what is body work as opposed to regular massage?

[554] So he's more of like the nervous system of all your pathways and really find out what's weak.

[555] Like, he'll tell me, like, something that's, like, week before I even let him know before the massage kind of thing.

[556] How would they, how can tell that?

[557] I don't know how I can tell that.

[558] I'm not really sure.

[559] I'd have to have him tell you.

[560] So, there's something weird about people that touch people's bodies all the time.

[561] And you go, this is all horseshit.

[562] And then they put their arm of shoulder.

[563] What's going on with your shoulder?

[564] You're like, what?

[565] What do you mean?

[566] And, like, it's very, very tense up here.

[567] You have an injury, you nursing?

[568] Like, what?

[569] Yeah.

[570] How do you know?

[571] There's a sixth sentence for sure.

[572] Something's going on.

[573] And most, they just get used to, like, the difference between your left side and your right side.

[574] you're like oh something's going on here they just it's like everything else right like your understanding of what an athlete is capable of is so different than a person who doesn't train just I think it's got to be yeah you know we don't we can't imagine someone to be able touch your pack and go oh you've got a tear you got a muscle tear you're like what but there's also those massage therapists they'll do something like how does I feel you feel better it's like yeah I guess I feel better yeah but this guy will find my weaknesses without me even telling him he'll know like things that I need to get worked on he knows my hips are lined like kind of like almost like a chiropractor as well but he doesn't do chiropractic work good yeah yeah yeah yeah whatever like chiropractors huh i just don't think it's real i love them i love to get lined back up good i've had neck my neck just tweaked and not be able do anything and then get lined back up and be ready to go yeah it's definitely help massage i think and massage works better than anything but it's just too much about what what chiropractic medicine was how it started it started by a guy who was a magnetic healer who learned about it in a seance, and then his son murdered him and took over the business.

[575] Turned out to be something good.

[576] People are crazy, huh?

[577] The good thing about, I mean, it's interesting, what's good and what's not.

[578] You know, what's provables, it's very interesting.

[579] What's, they just, they, people always say that it's a part of the National Institute of Healthcare, is that what it is, a part of their recommended program, but it's not anymore.

[580] They removed it.

[581] There's not, there's no real evidence that shows it works.

[582] The thing about it is, though, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's, like, I just adjusted myself.

[583] Like, I adjusted my knuckles.

[584] That's literally what they're doing, what they're doing to your back.

[585] I've had, for whatever, you know, over 100 fights or whatever and have my neck jacked up and wrestling and shots.

[586] And I've had pretty significant injury where I couldn't, like, change lanes and turn and drive and then go get adjusted and be back to square one.

[587] I think I've done the same thing with massage.

[588] I think there's something to people touching you and working on stuff and loosening you up in a way that you can't do.

[589] And I'm not saying that there's not good chiropractors out there.

[590] there that really understand all the other things like cold laser therapy and different kinds of manipulation in terms of like you know muscle stretching and um what is that type of uh ralphing ralphing is legit it's a brutal massage just a brutal brutal massage but it's one of those things where it breaks everything down and then after it's over everything's very loose and there's there's a lot of chiropractors that are really good physical therapist too but just the the underlying principles of what the chiropractic medical practice is.

[591] It started off with nonsense.

[592] The guy thought he could fix everything by adjusting you.

[593] Oh, something wrong on your eyesight?

[594] Let me fix it.

[595] There's going to be limits for sure.

[596] I'm going to crack your neck and you're not going to have bad breath anymore.

[597] That's stupid.

[598] But if it tells you to believe it, people are like, oh, nice, I do.

[599] The power of belief is huge.

[600] That's part of the problem is that one of the things they prey on, and one of the things that they use is, and there's levels to this whole thing.

[601] It's not just regular chiropractic.

[602] There's, you know, there's different kinds of, air, quote, healers that have, like, different systems that they think they can push down the middle of your back and cure your pancreas.

[603] So much horseshit, but it's not real, you know, but there are a bunch of things you can do that are real, and massage is one of them.

[604] Massage is, it's absolutely a fact that it's helped loosen people up and relax people and just something about being manipulated like that.

[605] Like somebody really digging their elbow into your tissue and loosening everything up.

[606] We got this fucking Tim Tam.

[607] You ever use one of these?

[608] Yeah.

[609] I have a Tim Tam and I have the therogun as well too.

[610] This is the mother.

[611] This is the mother.

[612] I think I have yours.

[613] Yeah.

[614] Oh, okay.

[615] Cool.

[616] Yeah.

[617] And then afterwards, it's like, ooh.

[618] One of my students made one of those out of a little drill or a gun.

[619] Yeah, saw saw a thing, yeah.

[620] Put a tennis ball or something on it.

[621] Yeah, that's essentially what this is.

[622] I mean, it's just the same kind of motive that's going up and down.

[623] He's like, don't buy that.

[624] It's like I make this thing for $30.

[625] I'm good.

[626] Just get a solid fucking leg off.

[627] So when you guys are doing camp, do you move down to California for the, would you do six or eight weeks?

[628] How many weeks are you doing?

[629] I do a lot.

[630] I do more than I probably should.

[631] But, I mean, I'd almost do camp.

[632] before I get into camp kind of thing.

[633] To get yourself in shape?

[634] Yeah, I like to be in shape when camp starts, you know?

[635] Always developing new things.

[636] I would say this camp, Dwayne came out, like started coming out nine weeks before the fight, maybe 10, like 9.

[637] It was a little extra, more than two months.

[638] Yeah, and he would do three days.

[639] He'd come out, fly out.

[640] Monday, Wednesday, Friday.

[641] Or no, I'm sorry.

[642] Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday.

[643] So be out here three days, back home four days.

[644] Split time.

[645] Yeah.

[646] But it worked a while.

[647] With that, I was able to find a, which I was already aware of, slow down, motherfucker.

[648] Sorry, I get excited.

[649] great no problem i got my note pad right here to slow down the podcast folks i'll tell you dway i'm i got to talk slower today but talk so people always complain i talk too fast yeah i'm a talk slower but you get a lot of information in in that one minute of corner time you know what that's what i talked about because that's why i talk fast yeah that's this is why i'm wired why i talk fast i got about 30 seconds to talk and relay information which is also why i have the actual system and encode all the the the drills and combinations so i can condense it right i don't want to say jab cross three and that came from box right you can get in the corner for my i see tomorrow fight, tell me what to do, and I walk out there and 30 seconds later, I knock him out, whatever it is, you know, like, because you're able to get the information off and there's a system to it.

[650] Yep, laying out, there's routines and there's patterns of success, you know.

[651] There are higher percentage drills and combinations that have been proven to be successful.

[652] Well, how about we just keep practicing those?

[653] Obviously, it's up to the athlete to find the timing, distance, and accuracy to pull them off.

[654] And you have to believe.

[655] There they are.

[656] Yeah, the power of the belief, right?

[657] Yeah, well, you have to believe in the system, too.

[658] Like, I can't be like, like, if I didn't believe exactly what Duane was telling me or that he can see it, that I know he can see it, because he's good.

[659] at it like why are you really going to go out there and do what he says that's one thing i had with boss too whenever he gave me information i did not doubt it at all as i know he's been there and done that and it wasn't stuff that he felt he would do is stuff that he knew that i should do right and i feel like understand tj and i could give him the proper information for the proper time but also i know when to sit back and let him flow as well right and when to when to chipe in and give him information and he's really good about you know receiving information as a case in point the first fight with cody between the rounds we had drastically changed things and what we needed to change was just the timing of our attack.

[660] It's pretty simple.

[661] To me, fighting is now, I don't, I don't think I know it all.

[662] I mean, I know I don't know at all, but it's all I know and I know a lot, that's for sure.

[663] But I was going back to earlier, traveling out here three days a week and back home four days, again, I found a really good, slow down, what the fuck, Dr. Square one, was, I found a good rhythm of us as far as pulling off information, as far as the pads, the class sparring, and so it's like, we're layering it up, we're practicing it in class, now we're sparring with it, and then going back to what we need to work on.

[664] So I found a really good pyramid for TJ to retain or for anyone to retain the information.

[665] Kind of condensing it into three days, it was really fun.

[666] I look at it as an experiment.

[667] What's the most optimal way for someone to perform and fight safe and effectively?

[668] It's fun.

[669] I love this shit.

[670] There's a lot of people that want to go to these big giant super camps, and I know, you know, with alpha male you were in a big giant super camp what you're doing now is very different and that's this is something that obviously stepe miocchich was doing there's a lot of other fighters that we're doing that are doing where a lot of it is based around them mighty mouse in particular that's he's another one i mean there are unquestionably professional fighters around them but it's not like they're in a building with six other world champions and there's a bunch of you know savages that are coming up that you know and everybody's trying to kill each other it's a it's a different, it's a different setup.

[671] Like, a lot of it is geared towards you.

[672] It is, and it's just the natural way it kind of, have happened this time.

[673] Is this better?

[674] What is better?

[675] Is it better to be in the doghouse with all the alpha male guys where it's all just animals trying to kill each other?

[676] Quality over quantity.

[677] Yes, if it's not for money.

[678] You know what I mean?

[679] When these big gyms turn into something that wants to make money, then the real martial arts comes out of it.

[680] When you have coaches and people running it that are really going to not want to, Like, I have a gym in the training lab, so I'm very fortunate that I have Steve Martin, a guy that's been, he's put his heart and soul into this thing to keep this building open because we're not making money.

[681] We're not, we're not, we're not, we're not, we don't have a, it's pretty much private.

[682] I teach a kids class and we do an adult boot camp kind of things just to turn the lights on, just so the bills are paid and then some sponsors here and there to pay the coaches.

[683] Like, we're losing money.

[684] And thank God that we have a guy like Steve Martin that's willing to see our dream, that we want to build a team that is not based around money, that it's a, um, Um, whatever money we ended making from the gym is going every dollar into the coaches, you know, like, I don't want to, I don't want to make money.

[685] I don't want that awkward relationship between me and one archiletta that I'm making money off him.

[686] You know what I mean?

[687] Because then you get that weird business relationship.

[688] Rather than us just having a real relationship, like me wanting him to get better, him wanting me to get better, which I felt like maybe used to kind of be that way out of mail, but it's turned into a money thing to where it, I don't know, man. It wasn't like, there wasn't like before, before we got Dwayne, we had no coach.

[689] It was just, us coaching each other kind of thing you know yeah that's not usually the best thing no we were just beating each other we were sparring four or five days a week yeah dude i mean i picked up stuff fast because of it you know like you had to learn how to fight right um and i'm aggressive and i like that stuff but it's not smart you know right in terms of like your overall wear and hair your health longevity in the sport yeah you know um yeah so i i i've control i've turned into a real professional athlete sport instead of it just going to the gym and going ham like i can go everywhere from my diet everywhere from the way i work the times i work out my schedule my recovery um luckily i'm having dwayne is able to travel out with me um i built a i built an awesome facility right now with mark munoz circling background being a a coach gerald christian flepe de monica and all these guys like it's not money driven so it's it's doing great right now we're we're we're we're doing awesome Yeah, he really does have a really good crew of people around him in all aspects.

[690] It's not your Belinda here there?

[691] We're in Anaheim.

[692] Oh, beautiful.

[693] Yeah.

[694] That's great.

[695] Mm -hmm.

[696] So when the UFC's in Anaheim, you're a hop, skip, and I jump away.

[697] Oh, yeah, we're right there.

[698] I mean, even fighting in L .A. was nice.

[699] I mean, you know, didn't have to fly nowhere.

[700] It was cool.

[701] You know, Dan Lambert did all this before anybody.

[702] I mean, Dan Lambert, in terms of, like, throwing money at things and putting American top team together.

[703] Yeah, that guy, he spent a fuck load of money.

[704] Put fighters on salary and then recently built a giant place with dormitories and everything.

[705] That guy, at all the people, he's probably the pioneer of digging deep into his wallet and putting together a crazy gym setup like that.

[706] But it's a different kind of crew.

[707] You know, you go down there, and there are a ton of world champions.

[708] There's a ton of professional athletes.

[709] And, you know, you're not necessarily going to get the singular specified training that you're getting right now.

[710] Yeah, for sure.

[711] And then, but we're also really so, yeah, you could be really good and we want you in our gym, but if you have the right personality as well, too.

[712] It's not only about your skill to come and train with our gym and be a pro athlete there, but we also got a vibe with us.

[713] Right.

[714] If we don't have the vibe, then it's all egos are going to get involved and the gym's going to split up.

[715] This guy's going to go here.

[716] This guy's going to go there.

[717] How do you determine that?

[718] Do you get to know them first and then let them in the gym?

[719] Yeah, we always let everyone in to see how they're going.

[720] If they don't work out, then we tell them like, hey, man, this isn't the spot for you.

[721] We don't have an open spot for you.

[722] You can see it, though, with the drills and the Dutch drills and just the drilling in general, how caring somebody is, right?

[723] Right.

[724] There's four rules I ask my guys to follow, and they're all rules that revolve around accountability.

[725] It's show up on time, get better, get tired, take care of your partner.

[726] You do those four simple things, and we're good.

[727] It's pretty simple.

[728] Those are very good rules.

[729] Yeah, it's a sport that attracts people who are troubled.

[730] Yeah, agreed.

[731] Yeah, the Ronans, the misfits.

[732] Yeah, and it's good for rehab.

[733] people that have been abused they want to get people back you know there's a lot of that you remember a lot of when when i was younger the more aggressive meaner people when you would find out more about them you'd find out there's child abuse dad used to beat him up stepdad beat him up there was always something that they were trying to get back at people for i feel like the sport is changing enough now that it's a very common thing that kids want to do and so now you have you know yeah kids with a good upbringing wanting to do it yeah it's a challenging thing possible career now and a fighter you know a young kid coming up see someone like you and they go okay look at this guy he's two -time world champion super respectful articulate real friendly doesn't have a chip on his shoulder likes you know shaking hands taking pictures and being around people oh you don't have to be an asshole like you don't have to be some brooding asshole for sure yeah i mean you'll get paid for it more these days but yeah that's interesting right you get paid more for being a complete asshole you know and make if you don't mind making a fool of yourself then you'll get paid more you know well like colby yeah yeah like to the extreme to we're like what come on colby's hilarious i don't know i think it's funny man when you actually went to the fucking white house and put the the thing on donald trump's desk gave him the belt i was like that is hilarious he actually did it yeah you know it really really be funny if it turned out this whole time he was a democrat and this is all just a big act really super pro gay rights and so if it would have been a democrat in the office he would The Democrat, then, yeah.

[734] Whoever's in the office is who he's going to be.

[735] Well, he's just doing it only specifically just for promotion.

[736] Yeah.

[737] Him and Tyron Woodley's going to be crazy.

[738] That's going to be crazy.

[739] So, you know, the videos on the internet, the one black dude that says, I'm Tyrone and fuck this or fuck that, whatever.

[740] You know, the internet guy?

[741] Oh, they're hilarious.

[742] Can he pull up one of those videos of Tyrone?

[743] That's so funny.

[744] He just, how would you do.

[745] It would have been funny.

[746] I'm sorry.

[747] You got to explain what you fuck you're talking about.

[748] So.

[749] Is it going to be He's hilarious, right?

[750] He'll pulling up But it would have been funny Oh, no Do you know what I'm talking about, Jamie?

[751] You do?

[752] Thank goodness because I have no idea Okay, so watch this first Watch one of these Give you some Hold on, bring it for the beginning This is a long compilation of it He just like kind of walks around And bullies people sort of Kind of a joke Is that?

[753] Is that him though?

[754] That's not the regular Tyrone, huh?

[755] This is another one.

[756] This is a different guy?

[757] Yeah, this is a different one.

[758] The other ones, he's a different guy.

[759] No, he'll do, he'll go.

[760] I mean, you're just typing Tyrone Black Dude in the internet.

[761] I mean, you're going to get a lot of videos.

[762] It's hilarious.

[763] So it would have been funny because that's not the best clip.

[764] Because if he would have won the belt, or no, he won the belt right.

[765] I'm Tyrone, and this is my motherfucking belt.

[766] So if you watch these videos in an actual good video of the Tyrone and if Tyrone would do that in the cage, I've been thinking about this for a while I should have been so fucking funny but it's not funny he's don't know the damn videos shit Jamie pull that up I watched the Rogan show that was the guy I didn't even steer your line Mr. Rogan sorry sir that's hilarious yeah he was almost after he won like nothing happened yeah well he just he knew it right by UFC wants me to fight but it's just weird you know is this another one that's him is that the same guy yeah this is one where he gets beat up for the same he's number really his wife or something like that oh here it is like this lukeen looking motherfucker i'm here to fuck your wife what's up what you're looking at him for what's serious huh what's up you want to make a move we'll do something this up do something why i'm sorry wrong oh what happened to that one i didn't make the video oh this is like terrible editing who is this funny shit right but it seems like he's just mean and stealing i don't think that's funny dway no no they're funny they're funny He's a mean stealer.

[767] Oh, shit.

[768] Okay, let's, all right, kill this.

[769] Not as funny as I thought.

[770] Sorry, guys.

[771] Shit.

[772] It seems like a bad sketch.

[773] Anyway, maybe they're funny on a spaceship.

[774] Tyron Woodley is not that guy.

[775] No, he's not.

[776] Although if he was, it would probably sell more tickets.

[777] That's probably, yeah.

[778] See, that's where it tied in from like the Colbyer coach.

[779] He's like super calm and respectful after him.

[780] It's hard to believe he was just in a cage fight.

[781] Yeah.

[782] Dude, he shut all that Darren Till hype up quick.

[783] I knew he's going to win.

[784] I would like to talk to Tyrone or do can see if, sorry to interrupt.

[785] Okay.

[786] And because how he caught him, because Darren Till, I made a video about this, how Darren Till typically likes to faint and pump and get the guy backing up, get them out of position, and then land the cross, you know, from open stance from Saupaw.

[787] And there is a slight delay between those two to three punches that he throws.

[788] And I'm wondering if Tyrone did his research and seen that.

[789] Tyron.

[790] Tyron.

[791] Is he say Tyrone?

[792] Mr. Woodley.

[793] Right?

[794] It's Tyron Woodley.

[795] Tyron?

[796] Tyron.

[797] There's no need.

[798] So now the joke wouldn't have been as funny.

[799] Tyron.

[800] So that's what you're saying.

[801] Tyron.

[802] I'm wondering if you read that from watching the videos previously and seen that little gap in his combination, he was able to beat him to the punch or if he just duck and chucked.

[803] I'm curious to see if that was something that they trained and saw it out or because that takes balls, right?

[804] He's coming out with his strongest punches cross that he's knocked many people out with and he just stepped into it and beat him to the punch.

[805] That takes balls.

[806] Tyron, that's his, he always does that strategy.

[807] of standing against the fence or close to the fence and then when guys move any counters yes i mean he did that with josh kosh jack he's done that with a lot of guys and roared mcdonald was the only guy to shut that down he figured out of way to shut it down he stayed long stayed long he used a lot of front kicks a lot of jabs kept his left hand up high to block the right hand you know the big right hand but man tyrant's just faster than him way faster yeah closed the distance so quick like lightning landed that right hand beat the shit out of him on the ground it was just shocking to me that Darren didn't know what to do when he was on his back like in terms of like that's how that's how I thought the fight was going to go like him just be on top of him the whole fight I thought tyrant was just going to out wrestle him and be on top you know well I thought maybe that was part of the strategy too especially when you saw them warming up because tyrant was doing like a lot of like exchanges and then shoots for a double or closes the distance level changes like they did that when he was working with boxing coaches as well.

[808] He would hit the mitts and then move in level change.

[809] Blended together.

[810] But I was just like Till didn't understand that Darst was coming or didn't know.

[811] But then you got to wonder how battered was he took that big shot, took a lot of hard elbows on the ground, how much was he really there?

[812] That's a beauty, I'm sorry?

[813] No, I was going to say because that Darce was a mile away.

[814] I mean, it was there, and then it was there, and then he cinched it up deep.

[815] It was never like, there was never any separation, never pulling the hands back I think tyrant's a lot stronger than him too able to hold him in that crunt like he's a freak he's a beast.

[816] Reason why he's the champion but I think that's the well the way I choose to look at it anyway is having a checklist right if you were to build up a mixed martial artist how much information should they know standing, wrestling and then on the ground and they should just check check check and know all these basics should be covered before you go fight that's a beauty of having a curriculum and again a checklist no I absolutely agree with you I think, you know, understanding, I mean, the days of just, like, being able to just fight someone and not know anything about them.

[817] That seems kind of foolish.

[818] Like, it seems like a massive advantage to study.

[819] Like, when Cowboy fought Darren Till, he decided to not watch any tape on him.

[820] He's like, you know, here's the striker.

[821] I love to strike.

[822] Like, oh, okay, might want to watch this striker.

[823] Yeah.

[824] I'll watch tape in the beginning with Dwayne, but then I kind of let him continue from there, you know, and I trust his judgment on everything.

[825] Right.

[826] Right.

[827] And then when I'm out of fight camp, because sometimes when you watch a tape in fight camp, like you can mess with people's heads, you know, like maybe, maybe Cowboys getting too nervous.

[828] And then when he's why, it gives him anxiety to watch the fight, you know, so you need to have a, if that's the case, you know, have a coach that's willing to, that you trust to do that for you.

[829] That's a good point.

[830] Yeah.

[831] Because, dude, it's a mental, this fucking sport's a mental mind fuck, man. Yeah.

[832] You know.

[833] Of course.

[834] Whatever works the best for you is that what you got to figure out.

[835] Is it better for you to fight someone like Cody that you have all this.

[836] animosity and beef towards and all the shit talking because you get super hyped up and motivated every day or is it better to fight someone who you have a lot of respect for who's just a good challenge I think you got to learn to be the same person for every fight you know I think it's like control those emotions you know even though there was all that coming in like I'm nervous to fight you know like forget all the bullshit you know and I had to learn that through my career I had to learn to take emotion out of it I mean even inspiring still you know like Dwayne's always told me, control my emotion, controlled aggression, you know, because you hit me, I want to hit you back.

[837] I'm very competitive, you know, so it's something you have to learn how to control, and I've had to do that throughout my career.

[838] And I think everyone has to learn to control either to let go or to pull back, you know, like really control that emotion to be the same person every fight, you know, mentally, mentally, not the same person every fight, but mentally, like, in your own head, the same person.

[839] But technically, need to be able to switch it up.

[840] that the mental aspect of it is probably the thing that holds more people back than anything like we all know of guys that are just monsters in the gym and for whatever it was when they would go to compete they just could never be their full self yeah TJ does better in the cage He does in the gym Yeah I was I did better in the gym than in the cage What do you think it is that makes you do better I love it I don't know I've just taught myself to love this shit Like I'm I don't know When I get out there It's just like I want to be there You know like I know everyone's nervous And like it's the highest highs But I used to be so nervous That I forget like what happened in the fight You know But throughout my career I think after the Mike Easton fights When I really started to like Hone in Or during the Mike Easton fight when I really started to hone in and have fun and just realized like fuck this shit man like what's the worst is going to happen you need knocked out go for it you know how is Mike Easton I don't know I don't know hasn't been around for a while yeah I'm not really sure there's a possible super fight with you and Henry Sehuda hell yeah yeah would you fight him at 125 25s yeah yeah absolutely I don't want no excuses that I'm the bigger man and he probably is bigger than you quite honestly yeah that's what I'm saying like I he struggles to get to 30 or from uh to down 25 25, especially with the coach I have now, Sam Calvita.

[841] It's like, I was told I was going to fight Demetius Johnson the summer before I fought Cody the first time because Cody had to pull out because it was back.

[842] Within three weeks of time, I got down to waking up to 140 pounds by changing the way I'm working out, changing my calories, changing my maconutrients, and my supplement, like, just going full board.

[843] Like, I was able to start waking up in the morning 140 pounds within three weeks.

[844] And so right now you're about 10 plus pounds heavier than that.

[845] Mm -hmm.

[846] And how much time would you need?

[847] Like if they said, hey, December 31st, New Year's Eve, Super 5.

[848] Yeah, my coach always wants, like, the, like, actual, like, he told me, like, before, after my last fight.

[849] I mean, he's 16 weeks, but, I mean, obviously, we could do it a lot fast.

[850] I could have made 25 this last fight with how much water it had in me. The hydration that he's got me going on when I get close to a fight, too, is it's the easiest.

[851] I don't do baths anymore.

[852] Like, to make weight, I walked on the treadmill with plastics.

[853] For how long?

[854] um the day of i'd say 30 minutes i sat in a little bit so you're only losing like four or five pounds most right yeah in the morning yeah probably like three or four or five pounds yeah wow that's that's a massive benefit to you in terms of your conditioning oh huge you and having fluid on your brain you're cardio yeah um your muscular contraction and endurance i mean everything i mean when you deplete yourself like that like you're talking about daren till maybe cutting too much weight that could definitely be a possibility you know for sure he's huge till's a big guy to get down to 170 yeah yeah i mean that is the it's the trying to find the right balance where you're big for the weight class but you're not diminishing yourself really drastically to get down to your weight class and the hindus hoot the thing also entertains me so much because he's a gold medalist you know he wants to he wants to claim himself as the greatest combat athlete ever i'm a ufc champion i'm a gold medalist like i'll go out there and beach wrestling MMA wrestling is completely different i'm the better athlete i'm I could beat him anywhere.

[855] I know I can, watching them fight.

[856] So that's what I'm very excited about.

[857] I think it's the greatest thing for my name right now.

[858] It excites me a lot, it excites me a lot, too, to be able to show the science behind not only myself and my coach and Dwayne in the system.

[859] Like, everything, like, I'm all in, dude.

[860] Whatever we're doing, I'm 100 % in.

[861] I don't take any shortcuts.

[862] And I want to show that.

[863] I want to show that I can make 25s and be my best ever as well.

[864] Now, Demetrius is injured.

[865] Yeah.

[866] He's out for.

[867] a little while.

[868] So this is one of the reasons why the talk of the super fight is coming up.

[869] Like it is, but Dimitri's going to need a few months.

[870] So you can't have an immediate rematch.

[871] Mm -hmm.

[872] So.

[873] Perfect.

[874] Have they talked to you about it?

[875] Proposed?

[876] You know, there's been, so there's nothing been, like, serious, but there's been, like, uh, hints and, like, we did our media tour together and they put us on camera together and how to us talk shit to each other.

[877] Oh, nice.

[878] I mean, they didn't like, they didn't say that, you know what I mean?

[879] Because everything's real.

[880] Everything we do is real.

[881] But it's like, oh, shit, this is what you guys want.

[882] man let's do this shit you know like that's where i get my motivation from from fighting is is not the anger not let's it's the the competition and does he want to go to 35 is that he told me face -to -face he's willing to do it at 25s 25 yeah yeah that's what he first said after the fight is he wanted to he wanted the super fight right that's what he's his idea is so he said come up to 35 so i told him was like look for doing this i'm coming to 25 so i have no problem with that he's got more street credit to drop a division Which is a change the division.

[883] It's DJ, right?

[884] Hell yeah.

[885] Yeah, it gives you more street crick for sure.

[886] Well, it certainly doesn't win the tire.

[887] I don't want him to come 35s and he whip his ass.

[888] Be like, oh, well, he's because he's a 35 pounder.

[889] He's a 35 pounder, too.

[890] I'll whip your ass.

[891] He's a huge 125er.

[892] He really is.

[893] I mean, you take out the weight cutting.

[894] There's not much difference between you two guys.

[895] And when you...

[896] Other than how much better I am.

[897] Oh, shit.

[898] Oh, shit.

[899] But that's true.

[900] Ooh, Henry, hang on.

[901] But when you saw him and Demetrius together, I mean, he's a much.

[902] much bigger person yeah yeah yeah he though how much wait does he lose who's that so hoodo yeah so i don't know no good question he's got to be in the 50s when he shows up the fight week he looks like he's cutting weight already you know um when i show up the fight week i haven't even really started yet wow yeah yeah i mean for your your pace and your endurance that's got to be a big benefit to know that your body's 100 % healthy going in there in terms of like not being dehydrated and there's so many guys you see them on the day of the day of the way in, you go, I don't know how the fuck you're going to fight in 24 hours.

[903] And I think head trauma is a lot more prevalent when you're dehydrated.

[904] Like, going through camp, like, I've known some guys that have cut a lot of weight, and it's already have hindered their careers, you know, because you're having those all -out spars.

[905] I mean, you're going, you have to go as hard as you can in sparring when you're getting for a fight.

[906] Like, you're going for your timing.

[907] You're going for, you're fighting, right?

[908] I mean, you don't do it all the time.

[909] There's times to do it.

[910] So when you're sparring, you're sparring like a fight?

[911] For the most part.

[912] I mean, I'm not.

[913] larger gloves or yeah uh no well we've been doing smaller gloves and i'm sparring too but those those puffies that i have they are uh i feel like as padded as my 16s it depends where it depends where they put the the padding the padding on the knuckles i mean hammered if not thicker than 16 which uh company's gloves to use for that sandiball sandiball senable yeah the one you have where's that from um well their offices in new york but the guy the owners living out here in uh californ is that a new company um it's been around it's freshly somewhat new new it's not brand new i think they've been around since 14 but yeah i make great stuff i mean they have their puffy sparring gloves are awesome to build to get uh to get real rounds in because when i grapple i can't i can't do full in a may rounds with big puffy gloves on with boxing gloves yeah but with those they're puffy around the knuckles but you can still grip with them yeah you can still grip with them you got everything i mean the only thing is different is like the padding on your uh like for like ham or you don't throw them but like hammer fist or your thumb you got to be careful with your thumb so you really have to be accurate with your punches right And does it fuck with you if you're working submissions with the extra padding on the knuckles?

[914] Yeah, absolutely.

[915] I mean, rear naked chokes are harder to get the hand behind the head.

[916] And guys can get out of submissions easier because they can grab more of the glove, even though they're not supposed to.

[917] Can I say something real quick?

[918] Because TJ was saying, you know, spars hard sometimes, right?

[919] So I try to have my guys, if you know what I'm saying, so sparring hard, because you do have to spar hard.

[920] But we would have him do that once a week.

[921] But we do a whole much of sparring drills throughout the week as well to get better technically, understand the distance and the timing but you do need to spar hard but it's not like you're hurting the guy if he's rocked or whatever you're not going to knock him out but you're throwing with good force too because you do have to experience that for sure if he's rocked you just hit him to the body yeah for sure yeah if you rock him then you know hurt him to the body and this one thing I'll say you get hurt to the body and you know work out of that as well don't take a knee yeah I wanted to make sure that was clear because that's one of the things I've been able to do is dissect the chaos of a fight and slowly manipulate it so we can actually understand the layers and get better at it and that helped a lot with the actual drilling and the sparring drilling and then the fight itself so understand that latter process have you ever found any core drills or ab drills that allow you to absorb punches or kicks better is there anything that you've shown have you ever figured out i don't know if it helps but we do it i mean we have our coach throws medicine balls against what like we're doing motion movements or doing on a bouncing on a tire or doing almost like a burpee motion or something getting back to your feet and slamming like a big medicine ball into your stomach and I mean, I just think the impact without hurting yourself is going to help ultimately.

[922] And then just having a stronger core in general.

[923] I think, I think core is by far the most important in MMA and jiu -jitsu and grappling is your core strength, is how strong your core is like, because I can go and lift weights and this guy's going to be way stronger than me doing bench or doing dead lifts, whatever may be, but we get on the mat and he's like, dude, how do the fuck are you so strong?

[924] I think it's all core.

[925] It certainly has a lot to do with kicking power.

[926] Yeah, it's so much of it.

[927] It's not just the legs.

[928] It's the ability to whip the hips into it, all this.

[929] That's all your core.

[930] And your cardio.

[931] It controls your breathing.

[932] I think it's, I think, I believe, core is everything.

[933] What kind of exercises are you doing for that?

[934] This is endless.

[935] I mean, a lot of medicine ball stuff.

[936] Are you doing different things with Mr. Calavita that you're doing before?

[937] Yes.

[938] Yeah, completely.

[939] Actually, this shit's crazy.

[940] Yeah?

[941] It's straight up crazy, man. Like, I've, like, the first thing.

[942] time I showed up.

[943] I knew it was going to be hard.

[944] I've always told me like, oh, he's like, you go hard.

[945] I've never gone as hard as this guy pushes me ever in my life from all the years of me practicing or competing, but you can only do it so many times.

[946] You can't do it all the time.

[947] And he knows when the next practice should be easier or when we're going to have those days where I'm for sure going to throw up.

[948] Right.

[949] You know, or like what days I'm pushing the sled up the hill.

[950] We do a lot of cycling now.

[951] I'm on the bike constantly, but it's not only for low base.

[952] certain power intervals.

[953] Are you doing distance, like actual bike on the road?

[954] Yeah, I do that too.

[955] So if I fight 25s, I'll be doing a lot of road work, running, swimming.

[956] I'm pretty much to try it.

[957] To make 25s, I'll be a triathlete as well.

[958] I'll be doing some Cameron Haynes shit.

[959] I won't be running that far, but I'll be trying to act like Cameron Haynes to get smaller.

[960] But, yeah, so I think the bike work does a lot for our core as well, too, because your core is not only your stomach, you know, the core is from your hamstrings up to your back throughout your stomach it's it controls a lot you know so even even doing the bike work is a lot of core work as well too yeah people don't realize that sometimes when you have lower back pants because your hamstrings are too tight yeah you tell them that and like what yeah and then they learn how to stretch out their hamstrings and like yeah my back feels better like yeah that's what yoga's all about man hell yeah we do we do yoga i mean everything i mean there's there's so much beyond what we have to do and how long has this guy been doing this So Mark Munoz was his first project in MMA.

[961] He wrestled So he was a wrestler, wrestled, always been around wrestling, always helped Mark with his wrestling camps, his kids wrestle, he's got that wrestling mentality but then he's just a genius as well.

[962] And so his first project was Mark Munoz when he was making weight and looking shredded, the Tim Boch fight, things like that.

[963] That was when he first started helping out.

[964] So that's why it's called the training lab as well, spelled with rain in the middle.

[965] It's because he was attached to Mark Munoz's gym and helping him out.

[966] And Mark Munoz's gym for people don't know was called Rain.

[967] Yes, rain, yeah.

[968] And so, I know it's funny.

[969] It's come full circle.

[970] I mean, Mark Munoz is the one that talked me into fighting.

[971] He's my coach at Cal State Photon, wrestling.

[972] And he was in the UFC at the time as my assistant.

[973] After I graduated college, like, all bummed out.

[974] I didn't do, like, what I should have.

[975] And so I didn't feel like I was done competing.

[976] I sort of following Mark around and doing jujitsu and all this shit.

[977] And I was actually enrolled in grad school at the same time to become a physician's assistant.

[978] He pretty much talked me into dropping out of school and give him fighting a chance.

[979] because he thought I'd be good at it and now it's come full circle and now he's our coach again wow yeah he's got some awesome MMA flow drills mark Munoz yeah he's been good he's got wrestling for MMA yeah you can't just be like a nice awesome wrestler and come in and teach MMA wrestling you know you got to know how to punch you got to know the jiu jitsu aspects of it MMA wrestling is its own sport yeah well certainly there's certainly rules that you have to follow that you don't have to follow in regular wrestling things you know there that's the case with Jiu -Jitsu as well.

[980] It certainly helps to learn Jiu -Jitsu.

[981] One of the things I don't know if you guys are paying attention to, but Eddie Bravo came up with a thing called Combat Jiu -Jitsu, which is sort of an intermediary step between regular Jiu -Jitsu and M -M -A.

[982] And it's basically Jiu -Jitsu with Bancreys.

[983] Yeah.

[984] Pankrace.

[985] Yeah, but some of those bitch slaps to, like, you get with the palms, yeah.

[986] Well, Boss figured out how to do it.

[987] Yes, sir.

[988] He figured out how to pull his hands way back, and he was basically punching you with his palm, where you could hit anybody anywhere.

[989] You could hit him in the forehead.

[990] You don't have to worry about your knuckles.

[991] I feel like that's harder than my MMA glove.

[992] Yeah.

[993] I think so too.

[994] you could really put a beating on somebody with the palms.

[995] Boss is an innovator for sure.

[996] He's always thinking, he taught me how to think, how to be open -minded and figure stuff out.

[997] Yeah, so here it is.

[998] This is combat jiu -jitsu.

[999] That's a guy on the ground, I think.

[1000] I hope.

[1001] See, now, that's one of the things too, like how Donah was saying.

[1002] This is otherwise, this is a fucked -up one to pick up, Jamie.

[1003] That's where the whole ankle, attacking the leg situation changes, when it's an actual fight and you have punches, right?

[1004] You want to watch attacking those legs.

[1005] I mean, you open up things the same way you would open up things with punches.

[1006] You know, there it is.

[1007] Bam.

[1008] Is that one of my affiliate students from Montana with a blonde hair?

[1009] Wagner Rocha has stopped quite a few people.

[1010] Well, he stopped at least one person with just the slaps, but he's used those slaps.

[1011] You know, and Wagner has, he's got a big advantage in being a high -level MMA fighter as well heading into this.

[1012] but the idea behind it was created by Eddie because he wanted to make it just a little bit more realistic on the ground and add this other element to it because there's times where guys are going for leg locks and you know your face is wide open you're committing both your arms to the person's leg and that person's in a position where they could just smash your face and if you're used to that in the jitsu gym where a guy can't punch you and you just think you're safe and you always practice in that way Thank you.

[1013] Combats, Jiu -Jitsu is a real wake -up call when you're just getting fucking hammered in the head.

[1014] It's like our Jiu -Gitzu instructor at our academy, Sam Kutz, he teaches Jiu -Jitsu for self -defense, and then he asks you if you want to compete in Jiu -Jitsu, then he teaches you different Jiu -Jitsu.

[1015] He wants to figure out out how you come here, like what you want to get better, you want to self -defense, you want to compete because there's a different way you have to approach things for sure, which is why T .J. can be on the same mat with regular students in my gym because he's doing slightly of a different drill in combination with more, contact than the average person, you know?

[1016] So you'll get out what you put in.

[1017] And in your academy, do you have everything there?

[1018] Do you have submission instruction, wrestling, or do you go different places for your jiu -jitsu?

[1019] How do you do it?

[1020] The only thing I do not at my gym is my jiu -jitsu.

[1021] I go to Gracie Baja and Irvine with Felipe de Monica.

[1022] Great spot.

[1023] Yeah, man. He's a straight -up ninja.

[1024] He knows jiu -jitsu for M .A. Just like you were saying, Mark Munoz wrestling for M. And I'd probably have striking for M .A. I mean, T. TJ has a really good camper.

[1025] around him.

[1026] I would have liked to be in his position.

[1027] Now with the understanding of martial arts, I'm not going to hijack the podcast.

[1028] Sorry.

[1029] I'm just so happy for him.

[1030] Stop a podcast.

[1031] Well, it's his time, right?

[1032] I'm not dealing to shut the hill up.

[1033] It's your time too much.

[1034] I mean, like I told him the other day, we were texting about like, damn, you were meant for this shit, send me a sick -ass video.

[1035] It's like, dude, this is our journey, though, you know?

[1036] Like, this is, I'm not doing this shit alone.

[1037] If I was doing it alone, it'd be a lot harder.

[1038] I'm not saying I couldn't do it, but I wouldn't be to this level.

[1039] I wouldn't be who I am.

[1040] I told him this is our journey, you know?

[1041] I mean, that's why this shit works because i don't have a bigger ego i'm not like whatever you know like me and dwayne really see i die i want him to be the best yeah i love this family now but it's it's so critical the relationship that you guys have because i think it's there's there's he can add so much in terms of what he understands and your acceptance of him and your appreciation of him allows you guys to like fully integrate to this one project of t j dillishar world champion like making you the best you can be if there was any sort of conflict or you got to be number one, or you don't want to listen to him, I'm going to do what I want to do today.

[1042] Like, that shit happens all the time with coaches and fighters and then sometimes you don't hear about until after the fight.

[1043] And you're like, what happened?

[1044] I got to tell you, man, he wouldn't show up for training, he was this and that, he's got this new girlfriend, she's pregnant.

[1045] That's why I'm all in because T .J. is all in.

[1046] I don't have a vast stable of fighters.

[1047] I have a few guys that float through my place, right?

[1048] I work with them a little bit here and there, but TJ's all in, so I'm all in.

[1049] Now, one of the benefits of being in Colorado was the altitude.

[1050] Are you, you don't think so?

[1051] No. It depends where you fight.

[1052] What do you think?

[1053] Because you can train a lot harder at sea level.

[1054] Your body gets a little more dense.

[1055] Like the oxygen and your recovery at sea level is way better.

[1056] I mean, when I first started going up to Colorado and training at altitude, I felt like my body wasn't recovering.

[1057] I felt older, man. Because the lack of air up there.

[1058] Yeah.

[1059] I think the lack of rebuilding myself.

[1060] You know, we do altitude training.

[1061] We do altitude.

[1062] It's called Alto Lab, something I breathe into at certain times, certain time lengths, like different intervals throughout the, throughout training camp, instead of living and breathing altitude, I'd rather get the recovery and the hard training from sea level and then use the altitude to get in that hypoxic state.

[1063] So the reason why less oxygen in the air, you create more red blood cells.

[1064] And the more red blood cells you have, the more oxygen you transport.

[1065] And so they're thinking if you go down to sea level, you're going to have more oxygen and transport.

[1066] But your body hasn't able to train as hard.

[1067] and recover as a can at sea level and then use the hypoxic state by breathing in this machine to get the red blood cell production okay so you can get the benefits of altitude without having to live there what i had heard is that the best move was to train at sea level but live at at altitude i don't think the i mean i don't think your recovery is good enough what about those from what my coaches told me you know it makes sense it's been it's making sense yeah what do you about those tents where people sleep in those tents?

[1068] I've tried one.

[1069] I feel it's hard to sleep.

[1070] So if you, because you're pumping it up.

[1071] So it gets hot in there, for one.

[1072] Plus, you start thinking like that scene in Psycho with a fucking person in the shower.

[1073] Just around by shower curtains.

[1074] Just have nightmares and shit every day.

[1075] But no, when you're not breathing as much oxygen, it's just you don't feel recovering and you don't get a restful night's sleep.

[1076] I see.

[1077] I see.

[1078] I see what you're saying.

[1079] Now, that totally makes sense.

[1080] Yeah, Yeah, you definitely feel the difference.

[1081] And totally makes sense that you would be able to train harder at sea level.

[1082] You can push your body to that super far extreme that you wouldn't be able to get there at altitude.

[1083] But if you live at altitude for a few years, doesn't your body totally normalized to that?

[1084] Yeah, but I'll be fighting at sea level.

[1085] Right.

[1086] You know?

[1087] You don't know.

[1088] Yeah, I don't know enough behind it.

[1089] That's just what I was told.

[1090] I knew no matter where I'd fight, sorry, Ninja.

[1091] Yeah, you're good.

[1092] I knew no matter where I fought that I would always be ready to go.

[1093] because I was born and raised in Colorado, so I didn't care where I was.

[1094] And one of my goals was to get tired because I knew if I was tired, that that motherfucker was dead tired.

[1095] So let's go.

[1096] Guys like Khaled have made my head hurt.

[1097] Dude, he's awesome.

[1098] But thinking about all these different things that he's got, you go on and thinking about all his, the planning that must be involved.

[1099] It's a full -time job.

[1100] It's a straight -up full -time job.

[1101] Like, even like the juicing I do every day.

[1102] I mean, if he didn't do my meal prep, it'd be impossible, unless obviously my wife was doing it all.

[1103] it'd be impossible to get all that done they're doing it's so much and how many athletes is he working with it's a pretty small group I mean and it's growing now because obviously the name is growing and more athletes that we're getting along with and still doing it at his garage yeah it's called the garage we do it at the gym as well too but there's a small group of guys that still go to his garage and do it there it's kind of like our varsity team I guess he would say you know once you've proved yourself enough in the gym you can get which has happened guys have come to our gym they've worked out with us we've got along with them they become like you know family and then we bring him into the garage um so i'd say he's got see cub one erin pico sad um spike i don't know i'd say we're probably got like eight nine guys he'll come to his garage and work out that's a great group right there just having erin pico would you that's got to help future world champion without a doubt for sure he's a savage not only like how good he is technically but mentally too like do that fools i'm competitive i go hard and he's to another extreme like really dude it's great we do this like hand peddler for distance at the garage we're on a down a decline so we're downhill and we're doing his hand peddlers for distance and how far we can who gets to who gets to a mile first wins and i thought he won the world title when you beat me just stood up like yeah like yeah like pretty much what i did to cody like yelling in my face after the fight you know like or after the hand peddler that he won is he's just he's very competitive um he's very good technically he's hungry he takes no shortcut he's 21 he was 21 years old and wasn't taking any shortcuts i didn't learn all this shit till i was 30 and he's already doing it now and he's a world -class wrestler um great boxers working with freddie roach a lot um he's good man he's really good yeah and you know i think there's a there's an actual real gift in losing his first fight.

[1104] I think there's a gift in that.

[1105] Because he had so much hype behind him, and he got cracked and submitted quick.

[1106] He probably got finished the worst you could possibly get.

[1107] Worst, yeah.

[1108] And his very first fight.

[1109] Other than a head kick.

[1110] Head kick is the worst because you don't really recover very good for a long time.

[1111] Not only did you get knocked out, but you got submitted as well.

[1112] Yeah.

[1113] Oh, that's right.

[1114] And you did it in front of Madison Square Garden on the main card for your first fight ever.

[1115] So he experienced, like, the lowest lows for his first fight.

[1116] So now it's like, there's no going lower.

[1117] Like everything's skyrocketing now.

[1118] And everybody was so hyped up about him.

[1119] There was so much hype about him, which is deserved.

[1120] But it just shows you that everybody can get caught, anybody can get finished.

[1121] Hell yeah.

[1122] That experience, I think, is so valuable for him.

[1123] I really do.

[1124] And that left hook that he landed in his last fight, holy shit.

[1125] Last two fights, huh?

[1126] Yeah, two fights.

[1127] Yeah, two fights.

[1128] Nasty.

[1129] Murderous.

[1130] He'll find that body shot every time I spar him.

[1131] Jesus.

[1132] Like, obviously, you got to get ready for it and you can feel it, but he finds it.

[1133] it every time.

[1134] Oof.

[1135] Yeah, you got to be ready.

[1136] And then, like, you start worrying about the body shot and you're opening yourself up, you know?

[1137] Yeah.

[1138] Yeah.

[1139] He's good, man. He's really good.

[1140] That's one thing I feel, Mr. Coker, Vettor does pretty well is gives people the proper fights to help build them up, right?

[1141] I don't think Pico's first fight was a bad matchup.

[1142] He just got caught.

[1143] You got caught?

[1144] Oh, yeah.

[1145] Got caught by a tough guy.

[1146] Yeah.

[1147] You know, I love Coker.

[1148] Yeah, me too.

[1149] I like what he's doing.

[1150] And, you know, I'm supposed to be somehow another in competition with Bellator.

[1151] I say that's horseshit.

[1152] I mean, I'm the one who got Jimmy Smith hired.

[1153] I was trying to get him hired years ago.

[1154] I love the fact that Big John's over there now and that, you know, and that Goldie's over there too.

[1155] And Morrow, I love Morrow.

[1156] And I just, there's a lot of great fighters over there, man. I mean, I love the fact that Rory McDonald's over there, that he's a champ.

[1157] I mean, he's one of the, if he's not the best welterweight in the world, it's him and Tyron, you know, I really think that.

[1158] I really think.

[1159] I got to practice that name.

[1160] Sorry, Tyron.

[1161] Just don't have an knee on the end of it.

[1162] Yes, sir.

[1163] I'm on it.

[1164] But if it's not, I mean, he's, he's.

[1165] most certainly one of the best musasi one of the best 185ers in the world if not the best i mean they have like legit claim to world class fighters now and at least two weight classes they got the banners the fighter walkout it's like uh old school ufc i like it i like it i like you know that the fighters are having a good time over there they're getting paid well i don't hear any complaints yeah i want it to grow man i really wanted to be a real i wanted to be like i would love it if it was a full rival like pride was ah yes man i'm sorry i left pride and then figure out a way to do that crossover fights you can stay You could stay in Bellator, Bill Belatorp, as far as UFC is, and then have like this, like, oh, yeah, we're fucking better.

[1166] Well, look, man, those are big fights.

[1167] Like, Cannell and Triple G. Yes.

[1168] Look, if they had a Floyd Mayweather versus Connor McGregor, MMA style, if there was, like, literally a guy as big as one.

[1169] There were talks about that, right?

[1170] Well, there were talks about that for Floyd and Connor, but I don't think it was real.

[1171] What I mean is a guy who gets as big as Mayweather has gotten in the UFC, and a guy who gets as big as he got in MMA with Belator, and then they have some giant -ass fucking super fights.

[1172] There's enough for everybody.

[1173] Yeah.

[1174] I just think for the athletes, it's better if there's choices, you know, and it's good for you.

[1175] It's not just choices.

[1176] It's more competitive.

[1177] And when it's more competitive, they try harder to do a good job for the athletes, make it attractive to the athletes.

[1178] Like, if you're a football player, you can get, you can go to a bunch of different places to play, right?

[1179] But if you're a fighter, you got, like, two spots.

[1180] You got Bellator and you got the UFC.

[1181] It's like there's two teams out there.

[1182] And I think that's unfortunate.

[1183] I think it'd be way better for fighters.

[1184] I don't think that boxing is a clean system And I think boxing definitely has its flaws In terms of like promotion And how fighters are treated Is that why this fights happening In a game with Triple G and Canello When it should already been over?

[1185] Like Triple G won that fight Yeah but that could happen in the UFC It does Bad judging happens all the time There are some fucking terrible judges out there I mean You've experienced that Fuck it's crazy man It's crazy that no one's doing anything to fix it There's people that have passed bad calls That should just be removed So you don't understand professional, high -level fighting.

[1186] There needs to be like a grading system.

[1187] Like if you see these judges and they can, they've made like, look, this person's made like four bad choices, four bad decisions, you're out.

[1188] I think they should go through a training course and be tested on it, just like I test my students for their ranking in the system, right?

[1189] They should be able to go through its information and get better and pass the test or not judge to the fight or let a fight go through and let some quality judges judge it and then test those results versus their results, right?

[1190] How do they judge it and compare those notes to see?

[1191] Because we're dealing with people's careers.

[1192] and their livelihood and lots on the line with these people aren't making the correct decisions from their lack of education that they could definitely get better at.

[1193] So hopefully they start brewing, sorry.

[1194] Oh, no, please go.

[1195] When they start pointing some old fighters, maybe ex -fighters, retired fighters, as far as being the judges, but then maybe there's some holdback on that from, what would you think?

[1196] Bias.

[1197] Bias.

[1198] That's totally, that's possible, but I think you're better off with those fighters and they're biased than someone who really doesn't understand the sport.

[1199] Because they'll be afraid of being called out.

[1200] too.

[1201] If you continue to, like, see their decisions they're making, like, they'd be afraid to get got out for it.

[1202] And, you know, just don't have them judge someone who they have a close relationship with, right?

[1203] If, like, Frankie Edgar is fighting, you don't have Ricardo Almeida as a judge.

[1204] Oh, yeah, that's right.

[1205] Yeah, because he's a part of the commission.

[1206] That's right.

[1207] Even though I think Ricardo was awesome.

[1208] Yeah, he is.

[1209] The Hanzo team.

[1210] But you need people that understand martial arts.

[1211] And there's a lot of the people that are judges that just have no background, which to me is crazy.

[1212] Agreed.

[1213] It just doesn't make any sense.

[1214] It's not like there's a shortage of martial arts.

[1215] Art Practitioners out there, there's millions of us.

[1216] Yes, sir.

[1217] We're out there.

[1218] You could find us, and you could get us to be judges.

[1219] I'll judge some fights.

[1220] Yeah, there you go, man. I mean, and I think also, and we've said this before, I'll say it again, it should be more than three judges.

[1221] There's no reason to limit it to three.

[1222] All you need is two dummies, and they ruin a fighter's career.

[1223] You could get bad luck and have two dummies out of three.

[1224] That's not hard to do.

[1225] Two people really don't understand a fight.

[1226] You need at least five, and I think we'd be.

[1227] fine with 10.

[1228] I don't think there'd be anything wrong with having 10 judges.

[1229] That way, if you really got a 5 -5, that's a real draw.

[1230] And I think real draws are real too.

[1231] There's fights where, like, you go, Jesus, I don't know who won that fight.

[1232] I'd have to go over that fight with a fine -tooth comb.

[1233] And the difference, the distance between winning and losing is so close, I think you're better off arguing for a draw in some fights.

[1234] I don't think there's any shame in that.

[1235] Yeah.

[1236] I agree.

[1237] I mean, if it actually was that close, like, why not it be Yeah, because there's some fights where the guy gets a decision or the girl gets a decision and you're like, how?

[1238] But they both won.

[1239] I mean, it's a fucking incredible fight and one person goes home a loser, the other person goes home a winner and it's almost like flipping a coin.

[1240] Overtime.

[1241] When I used to lose fights.

[1242] It's a draw overtime.

[1243] Glory does that still.

[1244] I would just say I came in second place and never actually won't say.

[1245] I'm trying to ease it a little bit.

[1246] Glory does still the one more round.

[1247] That's right, yeah.

[1248] I'd be awesome.

[1249] I'd be cool of shit.

[1250] That would be fucking shit.

[1251] That would be fucking shit.

[1252] That would be fucking one.

[1253] fucking wild if you guys you're getting up there ready you get announced like who i fucking won this one you know like oh fuck we got another round all right let's do this sweet we have a split decision you're like oh jesus yeah we have a majority draw you're like oh no one more go audience would go nuts hell yeah if you had that only for championships yeah only for championships yeah only for championships one more round yeah that'd be cool man people would start pounding on the ground yeah nice yeah it should be like a 10 minute around it should be a 10 minute round too pride style yeah pride style 10 minute around was awesome for grapplers and the gloves too yeah pride gloves are excellent right yeah yeah you think that's a big factor right the curve of the gloves yeah and uh my boxing coach trevor whitman is working on some kind of gloves that are eliminating uh the i poke situation i'm not quite sure exactly what he's thinking but he if there's anybody to do that job it's him i love that dude he's he is he is why i'm as technical as i am is from trevor whitman he's very detailed.

[1254] One of the things that a lot of people were like almost like wondering or down on him or trying to look at something to criticize was in Justin Gagey knocked out James Vic cracks them, drops them, smashes them, stops them.

[1255] Everyone is going crazy and look at Trevor.

[1256] Trevor just sitting there like this.

[1257] No, he knows, yeah.

[1258] He knows.

[1259] He didn't jump up and scream.

[1260] He just had his arms crossed and he's what you see if you can find that.

[1261] Can you find the video?

[1262] It's kind of not not only did it expect it.

[1263] He was like quietly satisfied.

[1264] I was like, look at that dude.

[1265] He's like, he's like, a tyrant after his title.

[1266] He's just like, sort of.

[1267] Just what I do.

[1268] Woodley cried when he got his black belt.

[1269] That was cool.

[1270] That was crazy.

[1271] Did Thomas too.

[1272] A fellow fighter like that, that's awesome.

[1273] That's direct lineage.

[1274] That's cool.

[1275] That felt more to him than when, that's so crazy.

[1276] That would feel more to him than defending his title.

[1277] He's been world champ.

[1278] He knows he's world champ.

[1279] He's confident, you know.

[1280] Without a doubt, one of the best welter words of all time.

[1281] Without a doubt.

[1282] I feel like there's three guys in the running.

[1283] It's Matt Hughes.

[1284] is George St. Pierre and him.

[1285] He's just so athletic, man. So good.

[1286] It's crazy how athletic he is.

[1287] And with Dean in his corner and with Duke Rufus and just he's just coming into his own, man. You know, he mean, and people criticized him for the Damien Maya fight and the Wonderboy Thompson fight, but because those fights were boring, that's the way you have to fight those guys.

[1288] Period.

[1289] If you want to fight Wonderboy, you think you're going to go crazy and charge at him, good luck.

[1290] Yeah.

[1291] Good idea.

[1292] Yeah, you're going to eat some knuckles.

[1293] So going back to the training method, you know, and that's one thing.

[1294] I wonder how much time Duke is spending with him and Dean is spending with him.

[1295] Din, Don Thomas, Din is spending with him.

[1296] And then taking that skill and testing it against all the other ATT guys.

[1297] So I'm just wondering how much class work he's doing versus one -on -one work and then how much live work he's getting with the crew.

[1298] That's a good question.

[1299] I don't think they're doing too much work at ATT because ATT is where Kobe is right now, too.

[1300] So where's he, you know, he's training at?

[1301] Well, he did a lot of it at Duke Rufus says to spend a lot of time with Duke, but I don't know exactly where he trained his whole camp, you know?

[1302] I have questions.

[1303] Pettis said he was at Duke's.

[1304] He was at Duke's, yeah.

[1305] Good.

[1306] Well, he looks fucking phenomenal.

[1307] Duke's figured out a way to get him to really conserve his energy and manage it properly, too.

[1308] Because we all know that when someone's that big and that much muscle.

[1309] It's so hard to maintain endurance.

[1310] But he hurt Wonderboy in the fourth round of their fight, you know, and hurt him bad.

[1311] Like, he carries that knockout power deep, deep into the fight.

[1312] so he's figured it out he's figured out a way to manage his energy correctly and if you see the countdown shows too he's doing a bunch of crazy strength conditioning shit too which i kind of think everybody has to do now right that's a it's a real it's a real it's a real fucking sport you know like you can't take shortcuts man this is a profession like i told you my training schedule is a full -time job it's hard for me to get anything else done when i'm in training camp now you're out of camp how many days a week you're working out um lately i've only been doing like my strength conditioning with Sam so when I'm back in town a couple times a week I'm going to go back out to Colorado and I'm spinning every day at Duane's doing kickboxing I'll probably go to start going to Gracie Bauhaus and this is all fun like I'm doing the normal I'll go to do normal class right now at Sam's it's not like I'm peeking for a fight so it's just maintaining my body and keeping certain things strong to prevent injury and then I'll go to Gracie Baja and I'll probably roll some Ghee just to do it you know just to kind of stay active when you roll gie do you grab the ghee or do you just try to do no gie techniques i need to get better at learning how to grab the key i still do no gie techniques because that's what i've always do you know i um never did i would never really use a ghee i hardly ever use it's not my favorite but i wear it yeah but i don't use it yeah i just do no ghee with the gie on and they can grab me yeah but i just do no gie stuff yeah yeah and that's why i got in there for fun you can't go in there like expecting to be great because there's so much shit if you don't know it, they're grabbing your belt, pulling you in certain directions.

[1313] Oh, this is crazy shit that they do.

[1314] They pull your thing out, your lapels out.

[1315] Yeah.

[1316] Try to choke you with it.

[1317] Yeah, they'll pull the back of your ghee out and wrap it on your neck.

[1318] Yeah, all right, settle down.

[1319] But, I mean, for the ghee competition, as long as that's all legal, that's great.

[1320] But, I mean, for someone learning martial arts, whether it's for self -defense or, for me, what I found about doing ghee is it really improved my no -gee submission defense, because it was so easy to control me with the ghee because if someone's grabbing your collar and grabbing your sleeve and they bang, they hold you down.

[1321] You have to get out of things technically.

[1322] Like, if you get locked up in an arm bar, you can't just explode out of things.

[1323] You have to figure out a way to slowly, incrementally, release yourself the right way and defend everything the right way.

[1324] Because if you get too deep with all that friction, with that heavy canvas key, they can lock you up, you know?

[1325] You have to be technical in your defense.

[1326] I still don't really...

[1327] It makes you more meticulous about your submissions.

[1328] It does make you, like, hold, yeah, absolutely.

[1329] Especially defense.

[1330] Yeah.

[1331] I mean, if you're going to compete in jiu -jitsu, then wear a ghee.

[1332] But if it's for self -defense, then I would actually train with no ghee.

[1333] I say that, but if you're in New York and you're wearing a leather coat, just in the winter, dude, imagine what Rhonda Rousey can do to someone who had a winter coat on?

[1334] Yeah, you're flying to talk shit to her with a jean jacket on.

[1335] Bitch, you're flying on your head.

[1336] Hell yeah.

[1337] Hell yeah, you are.

[1338] Yeah, rolling with the typical clothes, though, right?

[1339] Because even that's going to be different than an actual key, but close enough.

[1340] But it's enough to grab, I mean, you know, like if you grab, you could choke somebody out with a regular collared shirt.

[1341] Oh, yeah.

[1342] You know, you grab a hold of like a regular dress shirt and you get a hand in the lapel.

[1343] That's a dead man. Oh, yeah.

[1344] You know, he doesn't even know it.

[1345] Just get a hold of that collar and pull that fucker in.

[1346] Oh, that's be great.

[1347] I mean, kind of like you were saying, like, changing who I am because of where I'm at my life and my family now.

[1348] Like, I wish I could train more outside of fight camp.

[1349] I wish I had more time to get in the gym and train.

[1350] but I'm like going everywhere, getting pulled in every direction, creating businesses to try to set up my future.

[1351] I know you've got your seasoning business.

[1352] I've used your seasoning.

[1353] Yeah, it's excellent.

[1354] Yeah, flavor republic, yeah.

[1355] Did you come up with this on your own?

[1356] So yes, I started it because of my new diet was Sam Calveda.

[1357] You know, I had to eat super clean.

[1358] I wanted low sugar and I wanted something that was low sodium or no sodium so that when I'm cutting weight I can still use it.

[1359] But we make our own sea salt, organic sea salt as well so that we can add it to when we want to, you know, so that I because I need sodium you need good sodium yeah um but when I'm wanting to flush the water I don't I don't use it yeah you sent me over a bunch of stuff it's great man oh thank you I used a lot of it yeah yeah I just used it last night I mean it's not like I'm actually used I'm actually into the company and like it you know that's cool especially for wild game and things like that it's cool man it's really really fun do you uh do you have a pellet grill do you cook I do I have a Trager those things they shit yeah they send me one of those those bad Those badass ones.

[1360] Yeah, they send me one, too.

[1361] Timberline?

[1362] Yes.

[1363] Dude, you got the meat thermometer, everything with it.

[1364] I love that thing.

[1365] I cook on that thing almost every night.

[1366] The taste is the best, too.

[1367] Well, it's all wood.

[1368] It's natural wood.

[1369] For people don't know what a pellet grill is.

[1370] And there's a bunch of companies that make real good ones.

[1371] We have out back, we have a Yoder that's really good.

[1372] I had a Green Mountain Grill.

[1373] That's a really good company.

[1374] The Green Mountain Grills are very affordable, too.

[1375] And they come also with a built -in thermometer, just like the Trigger has.

[1376] What you do is you pour wood pellets, and these pellets are made, like if someone makes a table like this, the sawdust from an actual table is they just compress it and the natural sugars in the sawdust force it to form into these little pellets, these like little tubular pellets and you could snap them with your fingers.

[1377] You know, but they go through this worm drive onto a heating element and it's just fire and wood.

[1378] That's all it is.

[1379] You're cooking your food with fire and wood.

[1380] I mean, it's all complicated and electronic and shit and it's all sophisticated and engineered.

[1381] But at the end of the day, the result is fire and wood.

[1382] And the food tastes like fire and wood.

[1383] Yeah.

[1384] It's fucking great.

[1385] That's why they have different pellets for different tastes.

[1386] And you can taste the difference, absolutely.

[1387] I love pellet girls, man. I'm just such a big fan.

[1388] It's such an easy way to cook, too.

[1389] And that timber line just maintains its temperature perfectly.

[1390] You could start it with your phone.

[1391] Yes.

[1392] You can connect it to your phone.

[1393] So if you want to heat it up before you get home, you can start heating it up.

[1394] Trigger has an app.

[1395] They have an app.

[1396] Like, I was going to cook lobster tails.

[1397] I'm like, hmm, I don't cook lobster tails.

[1398] trigger go to the fucking app it tells you tells you what to have what ingredients how to do it all of it on your phone it's fucking incredible yeah i'll let's get you in for the house i'll take it i have room thank you sir so you didn't get a you didn't get an elk tag this year oh man well i i have a i'm going with chad mendez uh for rifle but where you guys going uh colorado oh all right i don't know exactly the area we're going it's something set up through fins and feathers his company he's a guide service yeah that's awesome dude he's living the life man he is he loved he even told after his last fight.

[1399] He's like, I'm not fighting until next year.

[1400] It's hunting season, my business.

[1401] He loves it, man. He's awesome.

[1402] He's a good dude.

[1403] It was nice to see him come back and come back with a beautiful knockout.

[1404] That's good.

[1405] Yeah.

[1406] Yeah, I mean, that's still one of my very close friends, and so we're doing a hunt here in end of October for rifle, but my love's archery.

[1407] So, yeah, I didn't get an archery tag this year for elk.

[1408] Can you hunt with your bow during rifle season?

[1409] I think you can, yeah.

[1410] Yeah, the thing about rifle season is though you're dealing with, they're not running anymore.

[1411] Like right now, we had a video of being up in Colorado, like, just 20 yards from two big elk fighting.

[1412] They didn't even know, like, I was standing up, or Leicester was standing up, didn't even know they were there.

[1413] You know, just 20 yards away.

[1414] I mean, that's why you get to do archery during rut season, you know?

[1415] Yeah, dude, I'm a just, I live for it.

[1416] I love it so much.

[1417] It's to me, it's like, it makes me so happy that I have my meat for a year, you know?

[1418] an elk basically have meat for your end for all my friends now i've gotten all my friends like brian call on and all these guys addicted to elk tom papa i give them pounds of it man just constantly giving them elk sausage and elk steaks and it's like once you taste that natural wild meat you go oh man and just learning how much healthier it is for you too you know do you feel different when you eat it that's all i've ever eaten i grew up that way so i grew up hunting because my dad my dad's been an archery hunter your dad's a wild man i met your dad yeah he's you tell right away I'm like, okay, how are you doing, man?

[1419] That's where it all comes from.

[1420] Nice to meet you, Mr. Dilsha.

[1421] Yeah, he's, I mean, I remember that guy just, I mean, he's always been the baddest suit of ever known.

[1422] He's always just, uh, his game, he's taking me on crazy hunts where we'll hike our ass off, we'll hike 20 miles and, and work, work really hard, hunt public land.

[1423] Like, it's never been the easy thing.

[1424] It's always been as hard as we can make it.

[1425] Nice.

[1426] It's made me really, like, fall in love with hunting even more.

[1427] Those backcountry hunts, man, people are starting to catch on to what an adventure that is.

[1428] Yeah.

[1429] And, you know, these guys like my friend Aaron Schneider, who runs Scafaro's, one of the best backpack companies in the world, they make hunting backpacks and wilderness backpacks.

[1430] And it's like, you used to be able to go eight miles down the trailhead, and there would be nobody.

[1431] He goes, now you go there, there's three tents.

[1432] Yeah.

[1433] You know, because other guys are learning how to do this, too.

[1434] And they're realizing this, especially high country mule deer, which is insanely difficult animal to hunt because they're so switched on because every day they're running from mountain lions.

[1435] Every day, is that a mountain lion?

[1436] Is that a mountain lion?

[1437] What was that brain?

[1438] They're so fucking smart.

[1439] They're sketched out.

[1440] They're so sketched out.

[1441] When you get to a five -year -old deer, which is what everybody wants to shoot.

[1442] What they want to shoot is a four, five, and older deer.

[1443] You're getting this giant deer.

[1444] They're probably 300 pounds.

[1445] They have enormous antlers.

[1446] I mean, mule deer have these crazy racks.

[1447] All knotted up crazy.

[1448] Oh, knotted up crazy.

[1449] And they've been hunted since day one.

[1450] Every day of their life, they've been five years.

[1451] It's like a fighter who's been fighting at a championship level of five.

[1452] years like you ain't getting away with no sloppy bullshit with him exactly that's a good way to put it yeah you can't snap on branches and they don't notice you're there dude they fucking turn nocturnal as well yeah like i went out five days before opening day and saw two three pointers and a big four pointer right in the area i'm going to go hunt and then 10 days later i go out because i missed opening day but uh 10 days late i know 10 days ago after they're gone yeah they go nocturnal they hide and they just realize that people are after them yeah they've they've been doing it so long that hunting season is literally like factored into their internal clock.

[1453] Like their DNA.

[1454] They just realize it.

[1455] They go, oh, well, there's the people.

[1456] I know what this is.

[1457] They go, I know what this is.

[1458] It's time to get the fuck out of here.

[1459] I'll eat at 2 .30 instead of in the regular...

[1460] Yeah, they'll get they'll just, especially during full moons and things like that.

[1461] It's really interesting man. Once you experience these, I mean, even if you're not into hunting, but if you do, I always advise people just please just go hiking deep into the backcountry.

[1462] Just take off six, seven mile hike.

[1463] deep in the back country and just it'll put it in perspective for you like those two and a half days i spent in colorado i hiked probably 20 miles by myself with no one and i didn't get anything i didn't see an animal i found one drop a horn of an elk i didn't see shit you know and i still loved it i still came i was like i'm glad i did it you know hiked my ass off was out there my cell phone didn't work it's just when you go out there do you bring a spotting scope yeah so you bring a spotting scope binos the whole range finder yeah and are you looking at google earth in advance or I'm looking at, oh, what's the app I use?

[1464] Onix Hunt?

[1465] Yes, it's Onyx Hunt.

[1466] Yeah, so you kind of like downloads the area where you're at.

[1467] So then when you're...

[1468] Shows you where it's public, where's private.

[1469] And you can even download the app to when you don't have service, you can still use it.

[1470] And knows where you're at.

[1471] And you know, like, if you're on private property, if you're on public land, it like maps everything out for you that way.

[1472] Yeah, that thing, that's an amazing app.

[1473] But just being able to see the territory and know where the basins are and the ridges are.

[1474] Waterholes.

[1475] Yeah, and get a sense like, okay, what time of year is it?

[1476] I mean, it's, there's not just going out.

[1477] to get food there's a there's really like a science to meal deer hunting and what the weather's been like if it's been hot they're gonna be high country they're gonna be really high if it's been hot yeah you know um you want it to be like overcast and cool so they'll come out more during the day because they'll bed down when it's hot they bed down all day long and that's why they come nocturnal as well as it it's cool enough for them to expend energy to go get food yeah to where if you go in the middle day at 12 o 'clock you you have to spot them with your bino's laying down and hopefully sneak up on them and not let them see you or wait for them to get up and start feeding and then sneak up on them now when you go out there are you do you have the creeks mapped out or are you hauling in water what do you how you get in water um i i'll always take uh those pills with me to be able to um purify water purified the water yes iodine tablets they say you're not supposed to drink too much of that though i'm sure you're not but i don't hunt 24 seven you know i mean worst case scenario at least i'm not going to go out there and get gerardia and get lost like i'm at least going to be able to purify some water and i have a lighter well i don't have a i don't have a I have a canteen, so I would melt.

[1478] But anyways.

[1479] To heat it up?

[1480] Yeah, to be able to heat it up.

[1481] But, yeah, I know where the water holes are.

[1482] I always know that.

[1483] And I bring enough water for me to drink and I pack it into camp, too.

[1484] Luckily, this spot in Colorado wasn't very far from where I had to park my truck.

[1485] So I was able to drive in a bunch of water.

[1486] Oh, that's cool.

[1487] Yeah.

[1488] Yeah, it's...

[1489] But my dad, though, we hiked back in the Ruby's like 20 miles and then hunt back there, hopefully not finding anybody.

[1490] And like you said, you still find people.

[1491] Yeah.

[1492] But, yeah, we have to bring the iodine pills or we're, We have a pump, and then we...

[1493] Pumps are great, yeah.

[1494] Obviously, we packed in pots and we boil it and drink.

[1495] Usually we boil it back at camp, but if you're out and about and you only have a canteen on it, you'll fill it up, throw it iodine pill in it and shake it around, and 10 minutes later, you got clean water.

[1496] Yeah, you don't want any of that beaver fever.

[1497] No, hell no. Especially being 20 miles out, I think how bad that would suck.

[1498] Yeah.

[1499] Yeah.

[1500] It's beautiful country, though, man. I mean, to be able to go out there into that back country of Colorado where there's no people, you just realize it doesn't even look real it looks like you know you find like a mountain lake up there you're like this isn't even real it's like it's like a movie beautiful yeah yeah pictures you take don't look like you like you just come off the internet yeah yeah yeah that's out near you man i mean sir you pick i don't ever hunt though yeah yeah i need to i don't need it do i'm sure i yeah yeah i have asked some mistakes at his house for the last camp actually so yeah we got this from the kingston coffee gar right mark also yeah we had both okay okay yeah what kind of diet do you fall i have actually when i'm out in california with him uh sam's family makes me the same meals well not the same i don't know if they're exactly pretty same but uh i ate the same meals as him and i usually eat pretty clean too when i did my hair analysis with the sam my all my levels and stuff came back pretty good i was pretty uh baseline or healthy for the most part are you training or just training people do you train yourself yeah i still train i stay sharp you know i got to lead by example and and i love it so that's what i've done since i was eight you know starting with the kilkishin karate and just been on it since then so and when he comes I don't know the training lab and throws the gear on and holds mitts.

[1501] For me, Cub, Juan, like, he just did, like, three hours of holding mitts, you know?

[1502] Like, he's getting a workout doing that shit.

[1503] Just the impact and moving.

[1504] Oh, yeah, of course, yeah.

[1505] I don't just stand there either.

[1506] I got to give them the feel and the reactions and throwback.

[1507] And I get to play UFC a little bit without getting beat up.

[1508] So it's fun to still, again, live by curiosity through these guys.

[1509] But I still definitely do train and, again, lead by example, and stay sharp.

[1510] Have you ever thought about one day?

[1511] I mean, you're in a weird situation where you could potentially.

[1512] potentially go to 45, and you could potentially go to 25.

[1513] I mean, you could be champ, champ, champ.

[1514] My coach, when I first started working out with Sam, and I was fighting Cody the first time, he was like, I'm going to make you a three -division champ.

[1515] It's like, that's our goal.

[1516] Won't you be the first one ever to do it?

[1517] He's always, like, reaching for everything.

[1518] And the way I know I can do it, too, is because I can pack the weight on with him, too.

[1519] I've gotten up to 158 pretty solid before I went down to 35 is the first time.

[1520] Max Holloway, who's the UFC 145 -pound champion, is a fucking big guy.

[1521] I don't think he should.

[1522] Eventually, he's probably to be a 55er.

[1523] Yeah, I don't know how he doesn't.

[1524] When they had to medically stop him from cutting weight to make 55, when he's a 45 -pound champion, he started in at around 85 pounds.

[1525] Oh, Jesus.

[1526] How crazy is that?

[1527] Do Ortega's big, too, man?

[1528] Big.

[1529] Dude, he's a big dude as well.

[1530] Yeah, these 45 -pounders, right?

[1531] Look, I wish there was a way to stop all this nonsense.

[1532] I wish everybody did it the way you're doing it, where you were just a little bit overweight.

[1533] Have you ever been heavier before?

[1534] we had a cut?

[1535] So it's always been your weight.

[1536] And a good thing, too, is that I always train at the weight I'm going to be in the night of my fight.

[1537] So if I win at 135s, I'm going to be 150 when I walk in the cage.

[1538] So I train at 150.

[1539] When I'm going to fight 25s, I'll probably walk in the cage weighing like 140 or low 40s.

[1540] I'm going to train at low 40s.

[1541] You know, and that's why my camps are longer.

[1542] I get in shape before I start my camp because I want to be, I want to know exactly what that feeling is of what the night's going to be of being.

[1543] in the cage.

[1544] I want to be in shape.

[1545] I want my weight to be where it's supposed to be.

[1546] And so it's like the same exact feeling for my whole camp.

[1547] It's got to be satisfying for you to have all these changes, take all these chances, go through all this emotional shit with leaving alpha male, but the results prove themselves that you were making the right choices for your career.

[1548] Very satisfying.

[1549] I'm building my own everything, you know.

[1550] It's all kind of finding a place, and it's because I've surrounded myself with the right people.

[1551] I followed Dwayne because I believed in him.

[1552] I came back to Southern California because I believe in Sam, you know, and there's guys like Steve Martin like I was talking about before that made that possible, you know, and there's just like these, for whatever reason, this group of guys that I've just gotten around that's just very synergistic and it works, you know, and so that's why I've been really focused on because I've been to a lot of gyms that are money driven or ego driven and to make sure that's not the case.

[1553] So you might be an awesome fighter, but if you don't have the right mentality, you're not part of the training lab.

[1554] You know, you might be the best fighter in the world but if you're a cancer we're not going to let you work out there and kind of really treating you like we're professional athletes you know i mean we i am treating like we're professional athletes instead of before it was just a fighter well you have you seen that really across the board there's much more of an attitude of a professional athlete versus just some badass guy who wants to fight and kick ass and you're seeing people approach it much more scientifically now how much does that change since you were on the ultimate fighter a lot a lot a lot.

[1555] Like I said, when I first got an Ultimate Fighter, I was Alpha Mel, and we sparred four or five days a week.

[1556] Was that 2012?

[1557] 11, I think.

[1558] Yeah, 2011.

[1559] And then it aired, I think, 2012.

[1560] So you think about that.

[1561] That's not that long ago.

[1562] We're talking about six, seven years.

[1563] So in seven years, the sports radically changed.

[1564] Big time.

[1565] Wow.

[1566] I mean, it's also because of how big the, and how mainstream the UFC is getting.

[1567] You know, we're going to be on ESPN.

[1568] We're on Fox.

[1569] We went from Spike.

[1570] Like, the more and more mainstream gets, the more, like, legit it makes it.

[1571] And the more legit it is, the more science behind it, the more that, like, why wouldn't guys that are smarter Sam Calvita go for football?

[1572] Because there's money, and there's, like, exposure behind it.

[1573] Compared to when it was fighting, it was so raw and just, like, whatever.

[1574] Right.

[1575] But now, I feel like since it's so legitimized, those smart trainers and now the guys that have been fighting forever are now coaches, it just makes it more legit.

[1576] And you have more science and the ways to train behind it.

[1577] yeah no it's it's really exciting but it's still growing and i feel like we're on the cutting edge of everything um we don't we don't miss everything we don't miss anything like we're in the this is by far out of any place i've ever trained the most scientific and smart way to train that's so exciting man it really is tj's got a a bump in the martial art evolutionary chain as far as how many people were switching stances and having that fluid flow before t j stepped in the cage not that many not that many at all he's definitely leading the pack when we Tom switched his legs back and forth, but he didn't, he didn't fight the same way righty as he did left you the way you do.

[1578] Kind of like, you've seen it now in boxing too, like Terence Crawford.

[1579] Terence Crawford, who will come out orthodox because he's right -handed, but he's like, I'm going to do better against this guy's softball and stay softball the rest of the fight because he sees that advantage and being able to do that.

[1580] I mean, boxers used to say, like, never switch your stance.

[1581] Your defense won't be as good, but now.

[1582] You make it that good.

[1583] Marvin Hagler used to switch all the time.

[1584] You know, he's one of the greatest of all time.

[1585] And then, you know, there's orthodox of softball, but then there's a whole world of things that you can do offensive and defensively during the change of the stance as well.

[1586] Yeah.

[1587] Yeah, so we'll keep those secrets.

[1588] Picking over the edge here.

[1589] Yeah, it's one thing to switch your stance to fight better that stance, but then what about the strikes while switching your stance, you know, or in those crazy motions where I'm coming this way, but you're over there.

[1590] It's almost like fighting two people at once, you know.

[1591] Yeah.

[1592] They'll only create those angles and take advantage of them, and they have to do this slow turn.

[1593] stay in their stance kind of thing you know yeah no there's there's fantastic advantage it's a fucking matrix yeah yeah it's fun gotta you know start mapping out the kill a shot m m m ms series and get a bunch of mima flow drills going and hell yeah i'm really excited about the switch to to espn too yeah really excited about getting the ufc on espn i think that's a big deal man espn is such a a huge venue for sports and there's so many like just hard -for sports fans you know when you think of sports it's espn sure and you think of like sports bars that have fights on.

[1594] I mean, if they have, they're going to have ESPN on.

[1595] Yeah.

[1596] I mean, it's just, I mean, so many people just, they just turn their TV on, they put on ESPN.

[1597] And that's like all day long, real sports fans.

[1598] They're going to get a chance to see guys like you, you know, real high -level fighters.

[1599] And ESPN's also been putting on real world championship boxing events, which is very exciting.

[1600] If they're going to do that, and then they're going to start putting on real high -level championship UFC fights as well, people are going to get a chance to compare and contrast and see, like, wow.

[1601] I think that's going to open up a whole new world.

[1602] I think Fox was great.

[1603] Yeah, and all the, but there's like, what is it, like 80 Fox Sports channels, and no one knows which one the fuck it's on.

[1604] Yeah, there are a lot of Fox channels, right?

[1605] Yeah, it's crazy.

[1606] I remember years ago, one of my Japan can win trips, we went to a restaurant and they were showing some fights on TV, and we lost our shit.

[1607] We're like, holy shit, they're showing fights on TV.

[1608] Japan's so cool.

[1609] Now it's out here all the time.

[1610] So, you know, thank you, Dana White, for Tito Brothers, you know, the UFC for making it mainstream.

[1611] You know, they are they and you as well, Mr. Rogan for bringing martial arts to being so popular it is now.

[1612] It's like you guys have helped the evolution of martial arts come to life, and it's fun.

[1613] It is fun, and it's, you know, people are getting a chance to see where it's at right now, which I don't think, you know, if someone hadn't seen a fight like your fight with Cody or your fight, your first fight with Hennon Barrow was a great example.

[1614] Your second fight was really like a blowout.

[1615] I felt like in the second fight, he just, he knew you were going to fuck him up before the fight even started.

[1616] Got to evolve.

[1617] Yeah, he didn't evolve.

[1618] But if you see these high -level, you know, world -class fights, I think if people just got to look and what's going on right now at the top levels, they'd get hooked, you know, real quick.

[1619] Well, I mean, you do a great job of teaching people, you know.

[1620] The commentators as well as people involved in journalists of MMA need to teach the average fan what to look for.

[1621] Yes.

[1622] And I feel like he'd done a great job.

[1623] You've helped our sport grow because of that of not only hyping the fights up, but, you know, Making people knowledgeable of MMA.

[1624] We need to teach the judges.

[1625] Yeah.

[1626] They need to go to our seminar.

[1627] I haven't done the best job.

[1628] They're out there still.

[1629] I mean, I just don't understand what commissions are waiting for.

[1630] I really don't.

[1631] I don't get what's the hold up.

[1632] Just these people are incompetent.

[1633] Fire them.

[1634] Get new people in.

[1635] It's not hard to do.

[1636] Yeah.

[1637] I don't believe it's hard to do.

[1638] I think a motivated person could fix the entire system inside of a year.

[1639] I don't feel like they're worried about their job.

[1640] If they may get a bad decision, like if I ruin your career, if I still millions of dollars out of your pocket, Yeah, I wonder if they understand that aspect, you know, that they don't want people's career.

[1641] I don't think they care.

[1642] They're just doing their job, and they think they're insulated from it.

[1643] Yeah, I don't have a job.

[1644] They have to be accountable because they have a name.

[1645] You know, their name gets, you know, Adelaide Byrd scored the fight.

[1646] You know, you hear that.

[1647] So they're accountable somewhat, and then people hear certain names, and they're like, oh, not this fucking guy.

[1648] Because you know that that guy's given some shitty -ass decisions in the past, but it's not enough.

[1649] and if you just left it off to if you ran it through a computer and looked at all the bad decisions and all the judges that called these bad decisions and rate them like an Uber driver yeah just get rid of them just anyone who just gets a D or below just get rid of them you really know anyone who gets below an A you know I mean people are going to make some questionable subjective decisions some people like a submission game some people like a striking game some people think a guy takes you down no matter what he's on top you win.

[1650] Well, I feel like, well, they've said it's going to not matter as much now.

[1651] But if you do, if you take down, you have no damage.

[1652] Like, it's like you take down and you even count.

[1653] Yeah.

[1654] Which I believe in.

[1655] Because, I mean, it's really who's winning in the fight, not like the position we're in right then.

[1656] Even me being a wrestler, like, yeah, I can take people down and just win for me on top.

[1657] But that's not how an MMA should be scored.

[1658] No, I agree.

[1659] And I think that if a guy does some damage standing up and then you take him down and hold him down for a full minute, but nothing happens.

[1660] He did more damage standing up.

[1661] And there's a lot of judges that think that if you take someone down, you're on top you win and they can't think that way it's just it's not wise especially when guys are battling off submissions off their back and or getting busted up with elbows from their back i mean there's just did you see nico price's fight where he won from his back oh yeah with the foot and hammered him that was sweet he hammered him from the bottom okay knocked him out it was one of the craziest who who did he fight i don't remember who that was yeah he fought off off his back won by hammer fist okay it's like we're realizing there's you're not really safe and there's there's things that people can figure out what to do in weird different places find a way to be successful yeah i just as much enthusiasm as you have about the sport and of you and myself and a lot of other fans i want the judges to have that kind of enthusiasm as well yeah i want them to go into these fights knowing what they're looking at here it is right here oh like right before that does it show it look look this oh wow from his back hammer fist him unconscious oh wow fucking crazy yeah never seen that before my life me neither and that's something that I don't know if you would see that in the curriculum or not but definitely is an opportunity in that position it's a good place to be when guys start seeing it happen they're going to go for it more you know you're going to see fighters go for that well the Travis Brown you know the elbow from defending the takedown The Josh Burnett, right?

[1662] Travis started caoing people.

[1663] He caoed Josh Barnett.

[1664] He caoed Gabriel Gonzaga, same way.

[1665] Yep.

[1666] He flatlines people from that position with those long -ass crazy elbows.

[1667] Do you take different alpha -brain than I do?

[1668] What do you mean?

[1669] You're sharp.

[1670] I think you might have some stronger alpha -man than I do.

[1671] This is his job.

[1672] His job is to know this stuff.

[1673] There is an alpha -brain turbo that we're working.

[1674] Really?

[1675] Yeah.

[1676] Is it here now?

[1677] No, I haven't at my house.

[1678] Was it just a stronger version?

[1679] Yeah, it's got some extra shit in it.

[1680] See, I was asking Aubrey about that a couple years ago.

[1681] Yeah.

[1682] Well, we can, our original alpha brain was giving people headaches.

[1683] We had to adjust it along the way.

[1684] Some people, Aubrey says the weaker change.

[1685] I was just going to say that, yeah.

[1686] You were a bid to take upper brain, you know what I mean?

[1687] Well, it's, it's a dose -dependent thing.

[1688] And it's also, there's people that get headaches when they drink caffeine.

[1689] There's people that can't drink milk.

[1690] You know, there's a lot of biological variability.

[1691] But what this is is a more potent version of alpha brain.

[1692] We're pushing the boundaries a little bit.

[1693] So we're going to run some tests on it.

[1694] So we've got some trials, and I've been taking it.

[1695] Send me a couple.

[1696] I'll test it for you.

[1697] I'm a fan.

[1698] You're a fan?

[1699] Yeah, it works.

[1700] It's got some DMT in it, a little bit of alpha brain.

[1701] You know what I really like to?

[1702] I've talked about this before is Neuro 1.

[1703] It's a Bill Romanoowski's company.

[1704] He's got a great neutropic supplement.

[1705] I like it too.

[1706] It tastes good, too.

[1707] I drink the chocolate.

[1708] I feel like Bill Romanowski now, the way I walk around with all my supplements and stuff.

[1709] He's got like a tackle box of all my do, man. Like when I travel now, it's like I have a whole suitcase full of supplements.

[1710] Do you really?

[1711] Like, no matter where you go.

[1712] So even if you're on like a couple day road trip somewhere, you're bringing all your supplements with you.

[1713] Yeah, or I have those divider packs.

[1714] You don't have like three of them.

[1715] Right.

[1716] You don't fuck around.

[1717] Mm -mm.

[1718] Yeah.

[1719] Even on my hunting trip.

[1720] Really?

[1721] Oh, yeah, man. Wow.

[1722] And you're on a trip, you eat clean?

[1723] Yeah, I do.

[1724] That's not busting in those mountain house fucking fettuccini Alfredo.

[1725] Dude.

[1726] Drink all those freeze drive.

[1727] The farts are so bad, though.

[1728] But once you've been like so clean and you know how it feels and then after your fight, you eat like a fucking asshole for a week.

[1729] It instantly just like, dude, I got to stop.

[1730] I got to stop this shit.

[1731] Like, I feel, I feel depressed.

[1732] I feel horrible.

[1733] Like, I got to get back into eating clean, you know?

[1734] How much time did you take off after the Cody fight?

[1735] The second one?

[1736] Food, nutrition -wise?

[1737] Probably like a week, maybe.

[1738] Or maybe like.

[1739] When hog.

[1740] But even then, it's just like, not the whole day.

[1741] It's just like, I'll have one bad meal.

[1742] I'm like, oh, fuck, I shouldn't have done that.

[1743] Like, I'm going to feel that shit.

[1744] What is it about it?

[1745] Like, wanting a pizza because you know you shouldn't have it.

[1746] Like, looking at that pizza, go, fuck it.

[1747] We're going in.

[1748] Yeah.

[1749] Yeah.

[1750] Well, now it's, I never used to be a sweet tooth, but now it's sugar.

[1751] It's desserts.

[1752] Like, I used to be more just like, oh, eat more pizza, like stay, whatever it could be.

[1753] But now since I haven't been eating sugar, I want to drink a soda.

[1754] I want a doughna.

[1755] A regular soda.

[1756] A regular soda.

[1757] When I drink a regular soda, the first thing I think, I can't believe Pinkpool drink this.

[1758] Oh, yeah, I don't like regular soda as much.

[1759] Like, people are drinking this shit all day long.

[1760] Because I don't drink it.

[1761] So when I drink it, my body's like, what the fuck are you doing, stupid?

[1762] Like I had a mountain dew after the fight.

[1763] That's right.

[1764] And I felt like hung over the next day.

[1765] It's weird how your tolerance drops, too.

[1766] If you don't eat sugar anymore and then you take it in, the first thing that happens to me, like I'll have an ice cream Sunday, I just have to sit down.

[1767] I'm like, oh, dude.

[1768] The sugar is the root of all evil, man. It's so bad.

[1769] Not good to the body.

[1770] High doses.

[1771] Yeah.

[1772] Like, you know, people that walk around with a two -liter Pepsi and just chug it.

[1773] Man. I mean, how many fucking servings are in a two -liter Pepsi?

[1774] And some people drink that whole thing in a day, easy.

[1775] Like you see the truck drivers when the big gulps that's going on everywhere with it.

[1776] Just fill in their arteries with black.

[1777] Black inside.

[1778] Their guts.

[1779] All that fat, gut fat, just the lower abdominal fat and pushes into your balls.

[1780] Lips up your belt.

[1781] It's going to give another Pepsi.

[1782] Just so uncomfortable.

[1783] You know, we know what the sodas that are, they have like the steved, the zivia stodas.

[1784] Those ones taste good.

[1785] Those are really good.

[1786] Zia's are great.

[1787] They're awesome.

[1788] I drink those all the time.

[1789] Me too.

[1790] Guil -free.

[1791] The difference between them and a Diet Coke in terms of flavor, I actually like them better.

[1792] When I drink Diet Coke, I'm like, ah, it's kind of fucking chemically.

[1793] It tastes like chemicals, yeah.

[1794] Whereas Zivia, it just tastes like a good flavor, but it doesn't make you feel like shit.

[1795] You don't, there's no glycemic index.

[1796] There's no change in your sugar levels.

[1797] You just taste good.

[1798] It almost feels like there's no way it's, there's no sugar in it when you drink them.

[1799] I know.

[1800] Yeah.

[1801] Yeah, this stuff, Stevia is an interesting thing.

[1802] Because too much of it, it tastes like shit.

[1803] Yeah, it's got a weird aftertaste, right?

[1804] Yeah, you got to, it's so potent.

[1805] You just need like a touch.

[1806] But when you put it in your coffee, like, I'll put it in there like sugar.

[1807] But they're like, whoa, like, whoa.

[1808] It's rough.

[1809] What other stuff does he have you eating that you weren't eating before?

[1810] Does there any, like, concentration on, like, different kinds of greens or?

[1811] I juice like crazy now.

[1812] And you're juicing mostly green stuff?

[1813] A lot of it.

[1814] I mean, there's a, um, do you blend or you do?

[1815] No, I juice.

[1816] I do a masticating juicer, a cold press juicer.

[1817] Um, you got to, because if it's something fast, like a blender, it kills a lot of the nutrients.

[1818] Really?

[1819] And you absorb more of it.

[1820] So even if you were just to eat this giant table of raw food, you would absorb less of it than if you juiced it.

[1821] Really?

[1822] Why is that?

[1823] Because it goes right in your bloodstream.

[1824] Something about how your body breaks it down.

[1825] Yeah.

[1826] So something about the cold press juice is, is your body's absorbing it more.

[1827] So, I mean, that's, that's like a, a half to.

[1828] Even when I'm traveling on my juicer, I end up.

[1829] buying in which aren't is good but i i have to drink uh some sort of green juice every day and are you taking it with any kind of fat because what i heard about especially with vegetable juice that your body absorbs it better with fat yeah like with coconut oil or avocado oil or something like that yeah we do we do uh yes we have to do a certain certain kind of mc t oil um i take they have tablespoons in the day and in a night to help absorb not only that but then the ubiquinol goes with it to help me like rebuild red blood cells and do a bunch of what is ubiquinol It's also some sort of oil, I take him in a pill, but some sort of like oil that helps with the transport chain of, I don't know, couldn't even tell you.

[1830] I'd have to get salmon here.

[1831] He'd be, he'd probably try to hold back.

[1832] I want to get him in here.

[1833] Dude, he'd be very interesting, but I almost don't want you to because that's where all my secrets are.

[1834] You know, the thing is about secrets, man, there's people that just wouldn't listen anyway.

[1835] Yeah, that's true.

[1836] There's so many people that would listen, they wouldn't really follow it.

[1837] And it's a full -time fucking job, though.

[1838] You know what I mean?

[1839] Like, you can't be lazy and do some shit.

[1840] I can't imagine how you could be.

[1841] It seems like you have to be on top of it all the time.

[1842] I don't have time of the day to do all this shit that he has been doing as well as training.

[1843] So do you take the MCT oil with the green juice?

[1844] Oh, you can or just take it.

[1845] And for people who don't know what that is.

[1846] A medium chain.

[1847] This triglyceride oil is derived from coconut oil.

[1848] It's the more nutritious form of coconut oil.

[1849] So you can take it.

[1850] What it was explained to me was that you're better off when you're taking something as is nutrient dense as juice.

[1851] cold pressed juice that you really should take it with a fat and it'll help your body absorb the nutrients better?

[1852] I don't know.

[1853] He never told us that.

[1854] Okay.

[1855] But maybe I'm wrong.

[1856] No, I don't know.

[1857] I mean, he doesn't know everything.

[1858] When I take kale shakes, I always add either coconut oil or, well, I usually add both, coconut oil and MCT oil to it.

[1859] I mean, I think that's not bad for you, so why not?

[1860] Yeah.

[1861] I don't know if it's better or not, but I know it's not bad for you.

[1862] Yeah.

[1863] Now, what is your ratio, like, fats to protein?

[1864] Do you know what that is, or does he map all that stuff out?

[1865] He maps all that out, and depending where I'm at and how my body's recovering.

[1866] But, yeah, I'm high, fat, high protein diet, you know, low to no carb.

[1867] Obviously, different kinds of carbs.

[1868] I have to have carbs, but just, like, I won't be ketogenic, but I'll get my body into ketosis certain times throughout my camp to make me insulin, like, sensitivity high, right?

[1869] So I'll eat, like, simple carbs that break down faster.

[1870] You know, they've found that people, even on this carnivore diet, which a lot of people are doing now, they still reach ketosis.

[1871] They still reach ketosis because they're not taking in any grain.

[1872] They're not taking in any carbohydrates.

[1873] And even though your body converts protein through glucogenesis, it converts it into sugars, into glucose, it's doing it in a very efficient way and processing it in a way that a lot of these people are in ketosis all the day most of the time.

[1874] It's not the same, like, high levels if you were going, like a regular ketogenic diet, I think it's supposed to.

[1875] to be 70 % fat, something crazy, or 60 -something percent fat, and then the rest protein.

[1876] Yeah.

[1877] Do you tell it Jordan Peterson that?

[1878] Isn't he eating all meat?

[1879] Yeah, he's eating all meat.

[1880] I think, and I had his daughter on recently as well, and it's very controversial, particularly for his daughter because his daughter is giving paid nutritional consultation, but she doesn't really have a background in nutrition, but she's just showing people what really has worked for her and her experience and her background.

[1881] I think her and her father, Jordan, I think he has a serious autoimmune issue, like serious.

[1882] And I think it's very possible that there are some people amongst us that are allergic to almost everything.

[1883] They have allergic reactions to all kinds of different foods.

[1884] I think it's really, really rare.

[1885] I think for most people like you or I, you're really better off eating rich, dark, green, leafy vegetables and nuts and fish and chicken and wild game.

[1886] And, you know, I think if you get some wild turkey or some, you know, wild pheasants and you should eat really good, lean, healthy, real food.

[1887] I think most people can eat apples and oranges and watermelon, and there's no problem.

[1888] But I think there are a few people amongst us, and I think Jordan's one of them, where his body just fucking rejects things.

[1889] I think he gets, his body has terrible reactions to all these different things.

[1890] And going on an all -meat diet is cured his depression, got him off on antidepressants for.

[1891] the first time in more than two decades.

[1892] Oh, wow.

[1893] It reduced his weight back to the weight it was when he was 25 years old.

[1894] I just don't think it's a viable or intelligent diet for everyone.

[1895] For the masses, yeah.

[1896] Yeah, I just think it's a good diet for people that are very extreme in their nutrition requirements because they have some serious autoimmune issues.

[1897] If you have autoimmune issues, you should definitely go towards keto.

[1898] Yeah.

[1899] You know, Sam's gotten rid of my psoriasis.

[1900] I didn't even know you could get rid of it, but got rid of my psoriasis with my diet.

[1901] I mean, they say it could be from the stem cells, too, but I believe it's from, I mean, I did so much stuff, but the diet, you know?

[1902] Well, I know several people that have got rid of their psoriasis through that.

[1903] I think Jordan is actually one of them as well.

[1904] Okay.

[1905] He had psoriasis, and the psoriasia, he also had some serious gum disease that he was having for his whole life gone as soon as he got in this carnivore diet.

[1906] And it's just, I mean, he's just eating beef.

[1907] That's it.

[1908] Yeah.

[1909] I mean, literally, he drinks water and eats beef.

[1910] That is it.

[1911] I feel like that's got to be bad for your, like...

[1912] You would think so.

[1913] That's how Brock Lesnar got hurt, right?

[1914] I didn't too much to say yours.

[1915] Brock got diverticulitis.

[1916] Anthony Bourdain told me that sometimes people get diverticulitis from all sorts of reasons.

[1917] From like eating, you could like have a seed, like a fucking, some seed from some plant that you ate gets stuck somewhere in your lining and it gets infected and you can get diverticulitis from that.

[1918] He said diverticulitis can come from a lot of different things.

[1919] I think Brock probably wasn't even chewing.

[1920] I think he was probably swallowing animal.

[1921] whole.

[1922] My dog.

[1923] Out in the wild.

[1924] He's like grabbing fucking gophers and shit and just chucking him down.

[1925] And screaming naked on the top of the hill.

[1926] Hell yeah.

[1927] That's sick fuck.

[1928] I'm really bummed out that the W .W .E. ever had him.

[1929] I really feel like if Brock Lesnar had just gone from amateur wrestling.

[1930] Dude, he was a beast.

[1931] I'm a beast.

[1932] He's a beast.

[1933] And if he just completely dedicated himself to mixed martial arts from the jump, I mean, he's already, look, he knocked out Randy Couture.

[1934] He battered Frank Mear.

[1935] I mean, he submitted Shane Carwin.

[1936] He already has an incredible resume for a guy that was a W .W .E. Star.

[1937] A multi -millionaire star before he ever fought his first M .MA fight.

[1938] Just such a savage.

[1939] It was just beating inside of his heart so bad that he wanted to do it.

[1940] But came in and did it.

[1941] Really did it.

[1942] Lost to Cain.

[1943] Lost to fucking Overeem.

[1944] I mean, beat Mark Hunt.

[1945] Even though Mark Hunt says he was cheating.

[1946] Seems he might have been correct.

[1947] You know, Mark Hunt went on a rant today about Brock Lesnar.

[1948] Oh, really?

[1949] He called him a cheating piece of shit.

[1950] Yeah.

[1951] He's mad that he's coming back to the UFC.

[1952] He's got, like, a legit claim.

[1953] Yeah.

[1954] For sure, he does.

[1955] I mean, Brock's only fought the top of the top.

[1956] He's never fought, like, a warm -up fight.

[1957] He's never came in and had a warm -up fight, you know?

[1958] I don't watch WWE, but they say he's shrinking.

[1959] Oh.

[1960] Yeah, he said he's about to come in, so.

[1961] He already, is already a testing pool.

[1962] They're going to be knocking on your door.

[1963] Oh, he already is.

[1964] That's why he's getting smaller.

[1965] They're knocking on your door.

[1966] Six o 'clock in the morning.

[1967] That was the problem when you fought Hunt, right?

[1968] There was some stipulation where it wasn't going to be tested or something?

[1969] Yeah, there was some weird loophole.

[1970] Well, so he retired, and when you come back, you're supposed to be going through like a four -month testing before you even allowed to accept a fight.

[1971] And they waived that four -month of testing, and they just started.

[1972] So he was getting tested once he came back, but he didn't have to have that four -month of testing without having a fight.

[1973] This is from what I heard.

[1974] You saw it.

[1975] Yeah, yeah.

[1976] Well, you saw it's changed the game, kids.

[1977] Change the game.

[1978] Hell, yeah.

[1979] And I look better than I did back then.

[1980] Yeah, nice.

[1981] I'm Jack City right now.

[1982] Sam, I'm feeling better.

[1983] I'm looking better.

[1984] Like, it's awesome, man. I'm the professionalism that's going around, like, around our spot, it's just made me continue.

[1985] I mean, I've always been hungry, but just, like, the science behind it, and me being able to go three different weight classes and being real.

[1986] And just me being the baddest man on the planet has got me in, like ready to go, you know, like...

[1987] That's the only photos they have before and after.

[1988] Trying to find a better one on that.

[1989] Try that, pull that one up again.

[1990] I didn't see much difference there.

[1991] You got missed the line.

[1992] Pull that up, Jamie.

[1993] Anybody who stands or sits the way Brock is sitting on the one on the right...

[1994] You got a look in here.

[1995] The way his arms are spread wide.

[1996] No matter what, he's going to be big.

[1997] Yeah, he's still going to be 265 fucking pounds.

[1998] Yeah.

[1999] Okay, well, there you kind of get it.

[2000] Yeah.

[2001] Yeah.

[2002] He's losing some size, definitely.

[2003] but he's going to keep a lot he's definitely going to lose a lot the thing that's going to fuck with his head if anything does is when you are on steroids for a long time or anything that jacks up your endocrine system the way we're assuming he did when it's over it's assuming he's already gotten caught I'm trying to talk like a lawyer you're assuming he did his endocrine system's got to be struggling and he's 40 years old now.

[2004] I mean, it's not.

[2005] He's only 40?

[2006] Yeah.

[2007] He's going to be 40.

[2008] He might not even be 40.

[2009] He might be 39.

[2010] How old is Brock Lesnar?

[2011] But he's 49 or 39 in Viking years.

[2012] They age different.

[2013] Yeah.

[2014] 41.

[2015] 41.

[2016] Yeah.

[2017] Yeah.

[2018] Close enough.

[2019] He's got to get in now why I can.

[2020] Yeah.

[2021] Heck yeah.

[2022] So what do you think you did that elevated your testosterone?

[2023] I think my recovery, so not redlining my body all the freaking time.

[2024] I train too hard.

[2025] Like, I always went too hard.

[2026] I always wanted to do more.

[2027] I'm an old school wrestler.

[2028] Like, more is better.

[2029] More is better.

[2030] That's not better.

[2031] No. So my recovery big time, listening to my body.

[2032] So by your heart rate variability when you're sleeping, it'll tell you when you wake up how recovered you are and how hard you should push it that day.

[2033] So being the CEO of T .J. Dilloshaw and deciding, say, even if it's on the schedule, I'm going to go hard the next day, but I wake up and not recovered, call everyone like, hey, man, I'm not coming in today.

[2034] I got to go walk around with the family.

[2035] I'm not training.

[2036] Taking it off.

[2037] So you know by how much.

[2038] many heart beats difference like it's not it's not it's not the heartbeat it's how it's the variability so sometimes your heart your heart shouldn't just beat everyone every second it should be like 0 .8 1 .4 seconds like like like um so it'll tell you that your central nervous system is not worn out so when you're getting sick or you're overworked your body will tell you from your heart rate that that it's about to happen you know so if you can catch it and if you don't listen to it and you just keep going like you go down this deep hole that you'll never come out of you know But if you catch it right away, no matter what, your body's always going to do peaks and valleys.

[2039] But you want your valley to be lower and your peaks to keep getting higher.

[2040] Valley low, keep getting higher.

[2041] The way to do that is through your recovery, which is going to help your testosterone production, your growth hormone production when you're sleeping, as well as my supplementation, what aminos I'm taking and why and when I'm taking them, you know, the arginines, the 21 blend aminos, like, I'll take them all different times.

[2042] When do you take them?

[2043] Usually three times a day.

[2044] sometimes I'll take certain things at night and things in the morning depending on what it's supposed to do for me my ornithine my glycine and my triptophan I take a night before I go to bed because it was helped my testosterone my growth hormone boost things I'll take during the day because it's better for my energy system my ATB production yeah so he's just got all this mapped out for you yeah that's amazing yeah he's how many people could he possibly do that for though he would have to teach other coaches to do it you know you'd have to do like a mentorship where coaches would come in and they would train underneath them you know and then then hopefully stay with us yeah that's the thing like if you teach someone too much they can go do whatever they want and they can have the science eventually it'll get out to where you know you're going to see the test you know you're going to see what he's doing and people are going to want to come and learn how to do it and for heart rate variability do you sleep with a chest strap and a wrist watch that registers everything you don't have to have the wristwatch on but as long as it's close enough to register your heart strap what are you using which which one um i'm using sintone or suit was it sonto sonto yeah okay that's that they make hunting watches yeah oh yeah they make awesome hunting watches yeah the best yeah like gps trackers everything yeah i use one of those yeah those are great and then so what do you do do you take the data from that and you put it on a pc like he's got an algorithm um and so i yeah went from that i connect so my watch is connected to my phone okay and then sam is logged in do you watch is physically connected to your phone or it's through an bluetooth Through Bluetooth.

[2045] That's an app, yeah.

[2046] And so the app shows you.

[2047] Yeah, the app, I can put in my information and it sends it straight to Sam's computer.

[2048] So every morning he checks in the morning.

[2049] So he logs in and gets your data.

[2050] Mine, he's got a list of people that he checks, you know, and depending where they're at.

[2051] Like, right now I'm not doing it, obviously.

[2052] I don't need to just track my recovery.

[2053] But when I'm in camp, he's tracking my recovery.

[2054] And he'll let me in the morning, like, look, man, you're 84 % recovered.

[2055] Let's pick it up.

[2056] Or you're 20%, you need to chill, you know.

[2057] Right.

[2058] Like, you'll decide, so my week to week, you have an idea what is going to be, but it always changes.

[2059] How many times do you think on these days where you looked at the results and said, okay, I'm taking the day off?

[2060] Would you have just said, don't be a pussy, push through this shit?

[2061] Oh, yeah.

[2062] I would have easily.

[2063] I mean, I don't feel that bad.

[2064] Right.

[2065] But then my next training practice, like, damn, I fucking feel good.

[2066] Right.

[2067] I'm primed and ready to go, you know?

[2068] And so is it hard to do that?

[2069] Yes.

[2070] Take your foot off the gas?

[2071] I've always, even in the past, when I've read, line my body and didn't know the science I'd been had to pull back.

[2072] But now that I know it, it's, it makes it easier for me to do it, but it's still very hard.

[2073] It's still very hard to not do more, not do more.

[2074] My dad's taught me, work your fucking ass off.

[2075] Work hard.

[2076] Work harder than the next guy, you know?

[2077] But work hard when you're working, but no one to not work.

[2078] Yes.

[2079] I think that applies to life, too.

[2080] I really do.

[2081] I think you just burn it out all the time.

[2082] Just like I was saying, if, like, it was your sole focus was fighting, I would burn myself out.

[2083] Right.

[2084] I have to have these escapes, you know.

[2085] I have to be able to do other things.

[2086] I have to enjoy family time.

[2087] I have to go golfing.

[2088] I have to go hunting.

[2089] I have to get on the lake.

[2090] And even during fight camp.

[2091] So I used to be like fight camp was fight camp.

[2092] That's all I did.

[2093] Right.

[2094] But now going with Sam and having these days off, I get to spend more family time.

[2095] I get to actually do shit I like on certain days.

[2096] Like I have two days off a week and we spread them out at different times.

[2097] Sometimes I might have three.

[2098] Sometimes I might have more depending if I'm getting sick or if I'm overworked.

[2099] But I actually get to go do shit.

[2100] I get to go wakeboard, you know?

[2101] That's nice.

[2102] Yeah.

[2103] now um is there anything else that he's got you doing that's weird that we haven't like you doing any e -stem are you doing anything i mean it's always changing we're getting really big into like the extra um recovery stuff the cryos the um the light therapy the CVAC machines the excuse me hyperbaric chambers um when to do them and how to test everything um everyone has always known they're good for you but i don't feel like there's been the exact numbers behind it and now he's going to track it kind of thing so we're getting more into that realm of it I use an alto lab that helps with me getting my hypoxic state to do altitude training to where I'm breathing in that for an hour a day and that's you know I'm going anywhere to like 40 ,000 feet you know but there's only like certain like blanks you could do it for and you have to take like for instance like doing like six minutes on four minutes off or three minutes on three like in tracking what my body's doing the next day what else we're doing obviously my diet my supplementation we talked about I mean, just the crazy workout stuff he's got us doing too, you know.

[2104] Like I said, it's kind of like rocky training, but it's a shit ton of core work.

[2105] And his warmup is not a warmup.

[2106] His warmup is usually everyone else's workout.

[2107] He's pushing us to our lactate threshold to where, like, you want to throw up, you're done, and then we're doing muscular endurance, you know.

[2108] So we're not doing any kind of strengthening until I've pushed that limit.

[2109] So maybe I've hit hard ground and pound, you know, when you stand up and you have muscle pump and you can't go, you don't have that anymore because you're used to.

[2110] to, your lactate threshold is higher now.

[2111] So, if my lactate threshold is higher, then I'm not going to be able to push myself to where I have that pump, you know?

[2112] And so get to that point so you know what it feels like, right?

[2113] So mentally, if I ever get to that point in a fight, I'll be okay because I've been there, as well as when you get there and you work out past it, a smart way, then it's going to increase your lactate threshold.

[2114] And your lactate threshold, it'll take you longer to get to that point.

[2115] So when you're doing strength and conditioning work, you're exhausting yourself before you doing strength work?

[2116] Not always, but yes, yeah.

[2117] Some workouts aren't as hard as others, but yeah, the ones that were, like what I said, the hardest I've ever worked out my entire life was that kind of shit.

[2118] Wow.

[2119] Yeah, to where you think, like, even especially like when I first started doing it, be like, all right, nice, that was a good workout.

[2120] You did a good job.

[2121] All right, well, we're over.

[2122] Let's hit the garage.

[2123] We're lifting, you know?

[2124] Or we're hitting the pool.

[2125] We're swimming.

[2126] So, yeah.

[2127] Yeah, he's rough, dude.

[2128] But now.

[2129] My girl just called me. I need to go, Coach Sam.

[2130] Yeah.

[2131] You know, go.

[2132] Oh, yeah, saying you're like, every time I jump at the street.

[2133] Like, I know it was, I know a stringishing day, and I always pull up, and, like, I see the stop sign right before I turn left to get to his house.

[2134] I'm like, fuck, I could just keep going.

[2135] You know, like, I don't have to turn left.

[2136] I don't have to go do this shit, you know.

[2137] But if you're in the garage and you continue to come back, you're a sicko.

[2138] You know, you like this shit.

[2139] Now, how do you organize that, Strengthing conditioning days, and what precedent, like, how, what importance of strength and conditioning take over skill work?

[2140] like and how do you organize that that's something that still is always going to have to be developed depending on person to person who needs more skill right um and who's obviously you never have it completely but um some people need more skill training than others and if you're getting in there like when i first started mima i probably shouldn't have done string conditioning for a year and a half i should have only done skill because i need to catch up um but i'm to the point now where each camp changes with technique and i obviously going to continue to grow and that's why my camps are so long I'll do more skill outside of camp time and more getting my body ready.

[2141] I don't know if I'm answering your question.

[2142] No, you are.

[2143] It always changes.

[2144] You don't want to burn yourself out that hard and then spar.

[2145] That's still something I feel like we're even learning with Sam still too.

[2146] Like he obviously is a wrestler and he knows training and he knows strength conditioning.

[2147] And that's why we just know our heart rate and that's why every coach is.

[2148] And that's the thing too is that at our team, every coach is going to talk to each other.

[2149] They're all on the same page.

[2150] We know, like, they know what days are going to be off.

[2151] Like, no one's going to show up to the gym today.

[2152] If they do, we're going to go light because we pushed it yesterday.

[2153] It's never going to be like, the string -condition coach's job is to kill you.

[2154] Now you're going to wrestling.

[2155] He's going to kill you, too.

[2156] Like, we're all on the same schedule so that we know that maybe Wednesdays are our active recovery.

[2157] So if you're going to go into practice, you're just drilling, you're moving light.

[2158] You're not going hard because you got killed the day before.

[2159] So when you're at your peak is hardest days, your next day is either off or an active rest day.

[2160] Do yoga.

[2161] Go do some yoga.

[2162] Get your mind.

[2163] off it you know and does he have your weeks planned out in advance or does he doing it day to day like how is he when when do you know what you're going to be doing um i don't know but he does he plans out everything in advance and obviously the whole camp my whole life for him camp does it dude he's like my life coach man like even after this fight he's like all right let's not change the diet i don't want just rice is coming back i don't want to have to work from ground zero i want to like stay this we can keep building um so he's like my life coach you know like i feel like i'm cheating on him I'm eating a cheeseburger with buns on it, you know?

[2164] That's funny.

[2165] He's got the whole camp planned out, my whole just continuing to grow, and obviously it'll vary depending on my recovery.

[2166] Now, with this ESPN deal, I know they're planning on some pretty big events, right?

[2167] Have they talked to you about fighting on ESPN?

[2168] Not yet, no, no. I mean, obviously, being a champion, you want to be pay -per -view, though, you know?

[2169] Right, that's where the Kizash is at.

[2170] Yeah, yeah.

[2171] I mean, that's where it comes down to.

[2172] You actually, you're betting on yourself, you know, when you fight live TV, it's it's it's it's you get a lot of viewers you build your name right but when you have these paper views you're you're you're betting on that people want to watch you because you're you know and uh i've just continued to fight my fucking ass off and and go ham you know it's going to be my style i'm always going to go pedal to the metal when i fight looking for knockouts because that's my entertainment that's how i'm entertaining like yeah sure i'll maybe talk confidence and talk trash i'm going to fuck you up you know but i'm not going to go out and be the the um colby's you know i'm not going to go crazy like it's my personality I want to be able to look.

[2173] I mean, I know it's fun.

[2174] It's awesome.

[2175] We like those guys.

[2176] But I want to be able to look back on my career and, like, show my kid, like, look, that's who I was.

[2177] Like, I fucking stay myself.

[2178] I stay my true color.

[2179] I'm an open fucking book.

[2180] I tell whatever it is, you know.

[2181] But I want it to be like the Chuck Liddell days.

[2182] You step out there and fucking knock someone out.

[2183] You get love for it, you know?

[2184] Like the real kind of gladiator shit.

[2185] Well, it's definitely building for you now.

[2186] You know, I mean, there was a lot of negative energy that was coming your way when you left Alpha Mail.

[2187] And when you were on the ultimate fighter, there was some negative shit that was coming.

[2188] way but it seems like with every victory like all that stuff is going behind you and now now it's really obvious you made the right choice and now knocking cody out twice in a row yeah i didn't want to do the ultimate fighter they asked me he was like hey uh so i was like i want my fucking title fight like i've been needing it for a while you know i've been begging for it and then obviously they're going to give me cody but hey we want you to coach the ultimate fighter first i was like fuck of course i got to go coach against alpha male's like the last thing i want to do i knew all this shit was going to be fucking crazy um and so i didn't want to do it but i was like i was to say no because that's my shot at the title you know and uh i'm fucking so glad i did it because i got to show my true colors i got to show how much i care about the sport how much i got to be a martial artist teach the way that me and dwayne kind of do things very professional um let them be fucking assholes and then come around and have it bite him in the ass you know like it worked out perfect for me because we got to show what really is is what you know like sorry no go for it was a good opportunity it was a good opportunity to showcase how to handle those situations you get to be your own judge the more evidence you have in front of you get to be your own judge of what actually happened rather than ira and cody running their fucking mouth of of me leaving me being a traitor me doing this me taking p eds compared to what's actually going down you know what you mean like you get to be the judge yourself on who i am you know so the more you get to know i mean that's why i should look at the more you get to find out about me the more you get to know me did you and cody talk after the fight at all no no i mean i shouldn't show respect to him and Like, I never had a problem with Cody when we were at Afamela ever.

[2189] Like, I felt like, I kind of feel bad for the guy because this wasn't any of his drama.

[2190] You know, like, he was coming to the team when I was kind of on my way out.

[2191] You know, he just started.

[2192] I was holding Mids for him.

[2193] He just got into the UFC because we didn't have a coach because Dwayne left, right?

[2194] So I'm running the kickboxing classes.

[2195] Dwayne left.

[2196] I'm the only one left there to coach practices.

[2197] So I'm holding Mids for him and stuff like that.

[2198] And then I get the ultimatum when I leave.

[2199] And then he becomes champ.

[2200] And now it's like all this pressure from Erya and Team Offimal to talk shit and us be the rivals.

[2201] him was weight on his shoulders i mean that fucking sucks i mean i feel like that's a a big flag to have to carry rather than just carry your own flag yeah you know carry what you care about carry your own fucking flag instead of like damn i got all my team that or all my back like that's a lot of pressure you know yeah i think for him like he really felt like that team and that family environment is what he needed yeah that really i mean he said alpha male saved his life it meant a lot to him yeah and where he should just thought that martial arts saved your life nice you know what you mean like yeah the team it's awesome having a team it's having like even like we have a team now i'd say be individualized but it's really good to have a team because you guys are going through the same shit together it's good to have friends that are doing the same shit like i can't only have average jo friends because they don't know what it is to be me they don't know what what should i have to do to be the world champion so it's good to have those guys around you um but really you got to know that martial arts is what's going to steer you in the right direction if i wouldn't have had wrestling if i wouldn't have went to college with wrestling i would have fucking fuck shit up you know i just had that personality like i'm really glad that wrestling kept me grounded and then getting into martial arts and i'm a very addictive person i mean who knows what i'd be addicted to if it wasn't martial arts i'm exactly the same way at least i've i found the right things to be addicted to i think that's important for so many kids i think there's so many young kids that are growing up and they have all this angst and you know they're just their bodies are anxious and they're filled with fucking testosterone and they just Yeah, the kids want to break things.

[2202] I think if you could focus that into wrestling.

[2203] Instead of giving them riddlin?

[2204] Just let him wrestle.

[2205] Any kind of martial arts, jitsu, something.

[2206] It's just so good for their self -esteem and for just relieving that excess energy allows them to see more clearly, think things through better.

[2207] It's just so good for them.

[2208] And unfortunately, you're seeing less and less of that with people today.

[2209] There's less and less martial arts in people's lives.

[2210] That's why I make a bunch of free videos and just, lead by example, you know, like you asked me if I still train.

[2211] Hell yeah, I do.

[2212] Like, I love this.

[2213] And, and again, a bunch of free videos and seminars.

[2214] Yeah, you can find, you can find martial arts, like, it's easier access of martial arts right now.

[2215] Like, Duane's online academy, for instance, like, you can get technique 24 -7, go do it in your garage with your buddy.

[2216] Go hit a punching bag, right?

[2217] Learned jujitsu online.

[2218] Like, you know, I'm starting my, even like the physical fitness part of training.

[2219] Like, I'm starting my own, my own academy as well online, to where I'm going to teach you not only the techniques behind it, but how I get, stronger at doing them how I get in better shape like a physical fitness part of it as well when it's not going to be available uh probably it's less than a month hopefully beautiful yeah yeah yeah yeah well yeah i'll tweet that let people hell yeah man yeah it'll be i mean you can get more information on now just on tjdilloshat dot com but yeah i'm gonna start an online kind of i'm actually meeting dwayne not only coach me in the technique of martial arts but you know the way he's organized everything how he's learned from boss how to organize how to create a system I've kind of done the same thing, you know?

[2220] I've not only legit the technique, but the lifestyle, you know, it's like I'm kind of running with that.

[2221] I'm running with that and I want to show, I'm not going to, because eventually I'm not going to hold back and have any secrets.

[2222] I'm going to tell everyone everything, you know?

[2223] Yeah.

[2224] And I want to start a champ camp.

[2225] I want to do like a very exclusive champ camp where it's like only 10 people can come and you come and stay with me, live at my house in Colorado, go wakeboarding, but then we also learn like the mental aspect of how I be, how I think to be a champion, how I eat, how the technique is taking them to doing gym, him like that's a great and i want to because like what we need to do is lead by example right help out because then i can really feel like i can like let loose i can like tell you everything to where i don't want to say to tell everyone everything because i'm giving away my secrets that's who i am that's why i'm the best in the world but i love to teach and i love to do it and i feel like by giving them small like small groups and giving some intimate time doing a real champ camp is something i want to do as well and i want to start creating it's and i want to create them in places where we can have some fun too because i think fighting you got to have fun in this thing like You're talking to Donald Serroney not too long ago, and that guy has to have fun.

[2226] Yeah.

[2227] If he's too much into the, like, the professionals of him just fighting, then he's going to fall apart, you know?

[2228] Yeah.

[2229] And so I want to teach you that I do that shit.

[2230] Are my recovery serious?

[2231] Like, my nutrition is serious.

[2232] Like, teach you how I, everything.

[2233] No secrets, you know?

[2234] Beautiful.

[2235] Well, listen, man, this sport is exploding.

[2236] And one of the reasons why I was exploding is the guys at the very top like you that are constantly innovating and keeping an open mind and constantly improving.

[2237] So you're a big part.

[2238] The whole grossness thing, man. It's awesome.

[2239] It's awesome to see.

[2240] So congratulations to you, sir.

[2241] Congratulations to you.

[2242] Mr. Master Splinter.

[2243] Oh, yeah.

[2244] You guys are awesome, man. I'm a big fan of both you.

[2245] Keep kicking ass.

[2246] And please tell people where your academy is in Colorado.

[2247] Arvada.

[2248] Westminster, Hunterth and Wadsworth.

[2249] And we have a super seminar coming up with Sensei Bostruin, Trevor Whitman, and T .J. Dillishaw, October 27th.

[2250] And then we got the Kelleshaugh -M -M -A series coming out as well.

[2251] Your website is?

[2252] Bangmoitai .com.

[2253] Hell yeah.

[2254] And T .J. Dilashaw on Instagram, Twitter.

[2255] Twitter, everything.

[2256] It all, just T .J. Dilshah.

[2257] No nicknames, no nothing.

[2258] Beautiful.

[2259] Yeah, heck yeah, man. Thank you, gentlemen.

[2260] Thank you, Mr. Rogan.