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[0] It's been two months since Joe Burrow first brought up, yeah, tease and need.
[1] That continues, and that pressure that Joe Burrow is applying to the Bengals front office continues at the Pro Bowl games.
[2] Let's break it down.
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[5] What up, Bengals fans, and welcome to another episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast.
[6] I'm your host, Jake Lisko.
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[8] And today, it's time to analyze some Joe Burrow comments.
[9] The Pro Bowl games behind us, Joe Burrow continuing to take every opportunity when asked to exert pressure.
[10] on the Bengals front office to keep their good players, their great players, their elite players on the team and not taking for granted his platform.
[11] And it's so interesting, James, when you think about how Joe Burrow is doing this consistently, it sounds very reasonable every time he talks about it and reflecting on the Carson Palmer example in juxtaposition.
[12] That's one of the comparisons we'll make in today's episode.
[13] We're going to...
[14] get to today.
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[16] And James, let's dive in to this pressure that Joe Burrow has been consistently using his platform, speaking with the media to put on the Bengals front office, knowing what we know now that Duke Tobin has met with Joe Burrow to talk about the offseason at this point.
[17] Yeah, it's so interesting to me because Joe Burrow is doing something that he's never done.
[18] Never done.
[19] He's always been the good soldier.
[20] He never whined and complained about the offensive line, even though the entire city was whining and complaining about the offensive line.
[21] When his knee got shredded, when he came back and had to wear a bulky knee brace that he absolutely hated to wear, when he was playing through an MCL injury during that entire playoff run, all of these times, right, in gifts to Super Bowl 56, there's been so many times other than that where...
[22] people have spoke up for him and said, oh, well, this front office needs to do this and that.
[23] And so he goes to his first Pro Bowl games and is in attendance because he is healthy and they aren't participating in the Super Bowl and all of the things that come with that.
[24] And he's asked multiple times, and it started on Thursday night on ESPN, asked about Jamar Chase's future, which makes sense.
[25] Jamar's there, asked about Jamar Chase's future, and he says a bunch of awesome stuff.
[26] about jamar chase including i don't know what more he could show and do to prove himself but then he makes it about trey hendrickson and t higgins as well quote we have several guys that like that who have stepped up for us and deserve to be paid and deserve to be paid what they're worth and then two days later on saturday he's being interviewed by sirius xm nfl radio and he's asked hey how how is this team gonna keep jamar and t and trey it's a question that everyone across the league is asking.
[27] And Joe made it very clear.
[28] And I think that this one's maybe more important than the other because he's asked about Trey as well.
[29] And he says, yeah, we can make it happen.
[30] We can make it happen.
[31] It just has to be right for everybody involved.
[32] I know the players want to make it work.
[33] We all want to be together.
[34] I don't see it not working out, but we'll see.
[35] And that ability to say, yeah.
[36] Well, we want to be here.
[37] I don't see why it wouldn't work out.
[38] He isn't treating it like this mountain that I think the 31 other NFL teams are, that analysts are across the league.
[39] In the past, the Bengals might treat it as.
[40] And he's like, yeah, of course, we can get it done and we can make it happen.
[41] And so pressure's on Jake because he does make it sound extremely simple.
[42] Even if it is more difficult behind the scenes, Joe Burrow clearly wants...
[43] the Bengals stars, whether it's Trey Hendricks and Jamar Chase or Tee Higgins, to be in stripes next season and beyond.
[44] Yeah, there is some acknowledgement of that difficulty, even in the quote.
[45] It's not the flashy part of the quote, but it's got to make sense for everybody involved.
[46] He does recognize that it's still a negotiation.
[47] He uses different language around the Duke Tobin, right?
[48] Like you read the Duke Tobin quotes compared to the Joe Burrow quote.
[49] And there's the player.
[50] talking about negotiations.
[51] And then there's a representative of the team talking about negotiations.
[52] So I think that's a big part of the difference in the tenor between a Duke Tobin talking about this and a Joe Burrow talking about this, where Duke is still going to praise a player, but he's immediately going to be like, ah, but I don't want to give up all my negotiating leverage here publicly.
[53] I want to maintain my negotiating posture when I'm giving public comments about negotiations that we haven't necessarily started yet.
[54] And so I do find that interesting.
[55] He does still acknowledge, you know, But there is some difficulty to it, but I know the players want to make it work.
[56] We all want to be together.
[57] I don't see it not working out.
[58] T. Higgins is a need.
[59] T. Higgins is a need.
[60] T. Higgins is a need.
[61] I mean, how many times did he say that?
[62] Not this quote, but previously.
[63] And you compare that to the way that he talked about Jesse Bates before Jesse Bates departed the Bengals.
[64] He talked about Jesse Bates with praise.
[65] I think you want to reward the work he's done for the last four years through the ups and downs.
[66] He's exactly the kind of player I think you want to reward.
[67] But that's a little bit different, maybe a lot different, than the way that he's repeatedly talked about the group of stars they have now that have major contract decisions coming up.
[68] And I do find it interesting that he's continuing to talk about it this way at the Pro Bowl.
[69] After we know that he's had that conversation with Duke Tobin, that Duke Tobin told Kelsey Conley about in Mobile when that interview happened.
[70] And maybe he learned from the Jesse part of it.
[71] Honestly, maybe it's like, I do need to speak up.
[72] Like this year during all the struggles on the field, he's like, yeah, I need to be more of a leader.
[73] And so now maybe he's looking around like, all right, we're not.
[74] I mean, in that quote at the end of the year where it's like, we can't keep letting good players get out of the building.
[75] Yeah.
[76] And I'm paraphrasing, that's not exactly what he said, but basically, you can't make that a habit.
[77] Yeah, you can't make a living on letting great players leave the building, something like that.
[78] Yep.
[79] I mean, they still haven't fixed the Jesse void.
[80] They still haven't filled that.
[81] Some would say they still haven't filled the, at least through 2022, the Andrew Whitworth or Kevin Zeitler voids.
[82] You know, you get it, Orlando Brown Jr., I think that's filled.
[83] But you get my point is, it takes a long time.
[84] to fill or backfill when you lose a T Higgins or a Jesse Bates or a Marvin Jones or a Kevin Zeitler or a it's just hard it's it's not easy to replace those guys and so it was like all right let's get it doesn't it doesn't have to be but it is for this team we know it is for this team like there's definitely a contingent out there that looks at this stuff and is like oh they can they can replace for receiver they can replace it but like hypothetically They can, but they haven't been able to do it in all of those examples.
[85] When's the last great edge rusher they drafted?
[86] Great?
[87] Does Carlos Dunlap count?
[88] It would probably be Dunlap.
[89] Really good.
[90] Really good edge rusher.
[91] Borderline pro bowler.
[92] It would be Dunlap, right?
[93] It's Dunlap and Justin Smith, who is a tweener.
[94] I was in grade school.
[95] You were in high school.
[96] You're older than me. I was in freaking grade school when they drafted Justin Smith.
[97] Yeah.
[98] All right?
[99] I guess junior high, probably.
[100] 2004, I believe it was.
[101] Or no, it was earlier than that.
[102] It wasn't 04.
[103] Yeah, I was definitely in grade school.
[104] You were in junior high.
[105] The point is, is it's been a really long time, Jake.
[106] And the other element of this, and this matters as much as any, is you have this elite quarterback.
[107] That some think is the best in the NFL.
[108] Some think he's second.
[109] Some think he's fourth.
[110] It doesn't matter.
[111] He's one of those dudes.
[112] And that's probably the lowest you could put him, objectively.
[113] He's fourth in the NFL.
[114] Like, the window is now.
[115] It cannot be, well, let's slow play this and sustain it and all that.
[116] All of that is silly talk when you've seen how hard it is to win.
[117] even when he's playing at an elite level.
[118] And so I think that's part of it.
[119] And there's plenty here.
[120] You mentioned the Carson Palmer analogy, and I think that's on the minds of a lot of fans, not analogy, but comparison in the timeline and Burroughs approach versus Palmer.
[121] So we'll get into that.
[122] We'll get into more of this conversation because the pressure, it is mounting.
[123] Get ready, Bengals front office.
[124] We'll get to it coming up next.
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[142] The Carson Palmer comparison and the way Joe Burrow is going about this versus the way Carson Palmer went about it when he was with the Bengals, I do find interesting, James, because with Carson, it was almost entirely behind the scenes stuff.
[143] Carson wasn't taking interviews and press conferences and talking about.
[144] the changes he wanted to see the Bengals make.
[145] And eventually, he asks for a trade because he's unhappy with the way the Bengals are doing business, because the Bengals have been slow to change, after he had been paid, and immediately becomes a supervillain in the eyes of Bengals fans, giving up on the city, giving up on the team.
[146] Those are the kinds of things people still say about Carson Palmer.
[147] And of course, Palmer not endearing himself to Bengals fans.
[148] with his comments over the last few years, talking about Joe Burrow and the way they're building the team around Joe Burrow and the risks they're running with Joe Burrow.
[149] And despite what Bengals fans might think of Carson Palmer, there's also definitely a contingent, James, I've seen of Bengals fans that are concerned that if the Bengals mismanaged the situation, that Burrow is going to approach the levels of disgruntled that Carson Palmer eventually reached.
[150] with the bengals so a lot there in terms of the differences in approach and the risks that the bengals potentially could be running if they do manage to piss off joe burrow which i mean it's something that we probably need to talk about but i i do find it interesting to think about the two different quarterbacks and put them side by side a little bit for sure and that's why i think joe is handling this the right way everything is public it's not going to be shocking if T. Higgins signs elsewhere and then Joe rips the organization for doing that.
[151] He already said it would be extremely disappointing already.
[152] And then followed that up with saying T. Higgins is a need.
[153] And, you know, all of the things that he's commented on.
[154] Of course he feels that way about Trey Hendrickson.
[155] Of course he feels that way about Jamar Chase.
[156] And I don't think we really doubt that Jamar is going to be here long term.
[157] But the how you get there matters too.
[158] And I think that's part of why Joe is being so vocal now.
[159] If I had to guess, he said that they want to be together.
[160] He talked to TETs like, yeah, I would love to be there.
[161] Love to stay here and be in Cincinnati.
[162] I'm sure that happened.
[163] I'm sure that conversation happened.
[164] Jamar obviously wants to be in Cincinnati and be with Joe.
[165] Trey loves it here and wants to be compensated fairly.
[166] From Joe's vantage point, it's like, all right, well, these are our best players.
[167] Why wouldn't you do that?
[168] Especially when...
[169] I get it.
[170] This Bengals organization has changed.
[171] They're far more aggressive in free agency than they were in past years and in the pre -Joe Burrow era.
[172] At the same time, if you're Joe Burrow and you're looking at their free agent haul from last year, Mike Kosicki was a hit.
[173] Trent Brown fit well, but it was a bargain signing.
[174] Zach Moss fit well.
[175] I think certainly a better fit than fans, and Joe respected him, but it obviously didn't work out, and he got hurt there.
[176] uh in the middle of the year but it's not like you're looking at a bunch of hits like you saw in 2020 and 2021 and you know what these guys are so it's it's really tough i think it would be tough to convince joe hey letting t walk make sense for this reason or doing doing this makes sense for like that's a that's a tough sell and good luck doing it good luck selling that when he knows what they have in these guys.
[177] And just because the pieces around them weren't good enough to win, because I hear this all the time.
[178] Oh, well, they went nine and eight with them.
[179] What are they going to be like?
[180] It's like, no, that doesn't mean that they shouldn't keep these guys.
[181] It means the other pieces around them, the other 48, I'm going to put Orlando Brown Jr. in this too.
[182] The other 48 players around the top five guys on the roster need to be better.
[183] And that's their mindset.
[184] And they can do that.
[185] with keeping these guys and i think that's joe's point the whole time and and so we'll see if it happens i do like that it's public though and not just from a content standpoint but from a a holding the the organization accountable standpoint much more easy to do it when it's when it's out there and you're being as transparent as joe is and it never feels unreasonable to me anyway keep keep your stars i mean it's not It's not an outlandish thing to say.
[186] Whoa.
[187] Crazy, right?
[188] Keep your best players.
[189] I mean, but there are some people that think it is crazy.
[190] There are people that are saying keeping two wide receivers is crazy.
[191] Paying an edge rusher an extension that would take him into his age 32 and age 33 seasons is crazy.
[192] Look at what happens to edge rusher production when they get on the wrong side of 30.
[193] And that's not a crazy reaction either.
[194] And there's reasonable arguments on both sides of that on both sides of that platform or whatever you want to call it.
[195] So I do think that's interesting.
[196] But when you look at the Bengals recently and you're talking about, you know, the way that they're changing and being more aggressive in free agency, I kind of question that a little bit.
[197] They did early when they had Joe Burrow on the rookie contract.
[198] But here again, we're seeing that on the second contract for a quarterback for the third straight quarterback.
[199] They have not been able to sustain success.
[200] Happened with Carson.
[201] It happened with Andy Dalton.
[202] And we're only one year in really with, with the Joe Burrow second contract, but they can't continue to do business that way where they're bargain hunting and free agency and looking to patch pieces together when they're drafting the way they're drafting.
[203] If they were drafting great, their free agency approach would work.
[204] And I don't think that.
[205] we would see them necessarily being as aggressive as they've been.
[206] So part of me thinks that because they're not drafting as well, that's why we're seeing this shift in the way that they're running the team.
[207] They're still drafting well.
[208] Then they have so many players they have to pay to keep because they're good enough players to be starters for this team that they inevitably lose some.
[209] The way they lost some when they were bringing in cop picks year after year in the Marvin Lewis years, and they would still be following that formula.
[210] And when you're drafting well, the teams that are consistently getting cop picks, you can do that.
[211] That also involves bringing in veteran players for one -year deals that then eventually go somewhere else.
[212] And this is Baltimore that I'm talking about at this point.
[213] Or Calais Campbell will bring up that example again.
[214] Still should do it this offseason, by the way.
[215] Players like that drafting well.
[216] These are things that the Bengals need to be doing.
[217] in addition to getting back to finding the right fits in free agency that we have not seen them find in the last couple of years that we did see them find when Joe Burrow was on his rookie contract.
[218] So there is certainly some difference in the way they're doing business now.
[219] I'm not saying there's not, but I wonder how different it might look if they were hitting in the draft because so much of what they're doing is reacting to trying to fill holes that, like we talked about earlier, it has taken them draft picks and money.
[220] to replace because in risk aversion and not extending players because they're worried about committing money, they're then creating more risk in having to use all these other assets to then eventually replace those players.
[221] Well, I think it's twofold.
[222] They started doing that because they stunk after 2019.
[223] We knew that.
[224] But two, they had to sell Joe a little bit on, hey, we're going to try to win sooner rather than later.
[225] This isn't going to be a three -year thing.
[226] Like 2020 was hard on Joe.
[227] as he was learning to lose, essentially.
[228] And even in the NFL, when you're good, you still lose way more than you were used to in high school and college.
[229] So I think that that was part of it, a big part.
[230] But you also have to have a plan, and there are going to be less and less high -end players, the Trey Hendrickson's, the DJ readers, that have worked out.
[231] that take the structure that they're looking at.
[232] And that's the other element here is the structure part of it.
[233] There are going to be people that say, don't keep T, go get this player.
[234] And it's like Milton Williams or it's a Trey Smith.
[235] And it's like, okay, will that guy be okay with the structure that the Bengals are going to give?
[236] And it's a lot of upfront money and no guarantees in year two.
[237] Go ahead.
[238] The projection for Trey Smith, just because you mentioned that one, PFS second highest rated free agent is 50 million in guarantees on an $82 million deal.
[239] There you go.
[240] So will they be willing to do that?
[241] Does that make them better than keeping T anyway?
[242] Because it makes a, and by the way, I think T that's up for debate fit wise, you know, T fits and you know, he's awesome when he's on the field.
[243] And so I think that that's, Interesting, but would they give $50 million guaranteed to Trey Smith?
[244] Let's be real here.
[245] Let's be honest.
[246] No. The answer is no. That wouldn't happen, especially if they're giving all this guaranteed money to Jamar and possibly Trey.
[247] So there's that.
[248] I also have one more point about free agency and kind of the plan, because the plan should involve this paying your stars.
[249] Joe thinks that, and I agree with him, and there's probably one more reason why.
[250] I'll give it coming up next.
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[262] The other element here, Jake, that I just want to make pretty darn clear, and I know you're aware of this, and I'm sure we've talked about it, but...
[263] They lucked into Orlando Brown Jr. The big get a few years ago that was from another team.
[264] So outside of DJ Reader and Trey Hendrickson, their big get has been Orlando Brown Jr. And it wasn't like their plan, their free agent plan was we're going to go get Orlando Brown Jr. Even though they were aware, at least as of the combine, I think it came out publicly that the Chiefs weren't franchise tagging him.
[265] When you throw that in there, it's like, all right, well, they haven't been even close to the big fish hunting in free agency.
[266] And if you're not going to hunt big fish in free agency, well, you might as well keep your own.
[267] It's just another point I want to put out there.
[268] And not only keep your own, but keep your own aggressively because they cost themselves money.
[269] They cost themselves picks consistently when they wait until the last minute to get these deals done.
[270] We've seen it with Jesse Bates.
[271] They've had to go through two and they cost themselves wins.
[272] They had to spend draft picks.
[273] They had to spend money on free agents to try to fill that role for cheaper and increasing amounts of money.
[274] They tried to go real cheap.
[275] Then they went mid -level in consecutive years from Nick Scott to Geno Stone.
[276] And neither of those looked like the ideal fit, especially if they want to go play a whole bunch of single high and do a bunch of man, if that is Al Golden's plan for this defense that we haven't gotten into in depth.
[277] And there will be differences between Notre Dame and what he does in Cincinnati, it sounds like.
[278] They cost themselves money in picks when they try to replace players.
[279] Either say they retain T Higgins, PFF projecting him at $28 million per year.
[280] If you're optimistic and you say T changed ages because he wants to stay in Cincinnati.
[281] He's talked about not even get paid as the number one receiver.
[282] He wants to stay with Joe Burrow and he takes a hometown discount.
[283] If you're real optimistic about that, right?
[284] Maybe T takes 27.
[285] You save a million dollars a year.
[286] Maybe it's a little bit more.
[287] Maybe it's a little bit less.
[288] How much would it have cost you to extend T when he was first eligible to extend him two years ago?
[289] 22 million per.
[290] Yeah.
[291] I'm serious.
[292] I think that's pretty accurate.
[293] I'm pretty sure a four -year, $88 million deal would have got that thing done.
[294] You're costing yourself money by waiting.
[295] That's how this always works.
[296] And not only are you costing yourself money, you're costing yourself goodwill with players, goodwill with your fans on the field and draft picks.
[297] And we've seen this over and over with the Bengals.
[298] It's one of the biggest criticisms that I consistently levy at this front office is be more proactive.
[299] Get out in front of these things because when they do.
[300] For extensions, when's the last extension they did that it really didn't work out?
[301] They've had some guys that they've extended into their 30s where maybe they didn't like the way that that went.
[302] But then they let Andrew Whitworth walk, and he was in his 30s, and that's a unique case, I know.
[303] But that one didn't work out.
[304] I think getting in front of these extensions is something that this team is risk -averse when they do.
[305] It's this paradox of they won't take that risk, but then they expose themselves to more risk, and they end up costing themselves more money and more resources because they won't take those steps when they've got the players on their team.
[306] And when they do, like Trey Hendrickson, they gave an extension, and that one they're not upset about.
[307] He just gave them an All -Pro year as part of the reward for getting that one -year extension done previously.
[308] They should have tried two, yeah.
[309] Then we wouldn't be talking about this right now, right?
[310] We wouldn't have had the trade demand and all that stuff.
[311] He was coming off of an eight -sack season.
[312] I get not wanting to go too far with it at that time.
[313] It sounds crazy now, but it's not like he was coming off of a 17 -sack season and they only gave him a year.
[314] But sometimes with your own guys, you have to look beyond.
[315] And this is T, too.
[316] Like, you have to get past some of these things.
[317] Like, the Jesse Basing, he hasn't been a pro bowler.
[318] Remember that?
[319] Or T with the injury stuff.
[320] Or Trey, he has a down year for sacks, but the pressures are still there.
[321] He's still the same player.
[322] You got to get past some of the production with some of these things and take that risk and save yourself some money and keep some of these assets.
[323] And I keep coming back.
[324] So, Jamar, better get done.
[325] Everyone knows it.
[326] Trey, you've...
[327] reached an extension with him twice.
[328] So it's not like you can't negotiate with his agent, right?
[329] And get something done and find common ground.
[330] And T, why do you think he switched agents?
[331] He didn't switch agents because he really, really wants to go to Tampa.
[332] Okay.
[333] Now that doesn't mean you don't have to get it done, but there's a reason why he switched agents.
[334] And part of that has to do with his desire, his want and where he wants to be.
[335] And.
[336] That doesn't mean you can offer him $20 million a year.
[337] That's not what I'm saying.
[338] Or 22 or 23.
[339] But can you get him for a market deal that's slightly less or significantly less?
[340] If he hits the market, he might get $35 million per.
[341] There might be a bidding where he might get to $37 million.
[342] He might beat Justin Jefferson.
[343] You know why?
[344] Because the Patriots and the Chargers and all these other teams are going to be competing against each other.
[345] It's much different.
[346] when the guy hits the market if t higgins hits the market he's 100 gone there there's no scenario where he comes back i promise you and you probably agree with this and it is far more likely that he gets 35 plus million per year if he hits the market then coming back to cincinnati so you can't let it happen is my point and then we have the same question that we've been asking if that does happen right for months who are they paying if they're not paying t I'm not playing Trey Hendrickson.
[347] I'm available.
[348] Five million per.
[349] I don't know what I'll be doing.
[350] I'm not going to win, but I'll sit there and work out and use the facility.
[351] There's all this hand rigging over there's only so much money.
[352] There's only so much cap space.
[353] Yeah.
[354] And I get it.
[355] That is true.
[356] Especially the way the Bengals manage the cap.
[357] And we would like that to change.
[358] But even putting that aside, even putting aside how they manage the cap.
[359] plenty of money yep there's so much money and so much cap space because there's no one to pay are they just bringing back all of these underperforming veterans like shelter max is coming back all of a sudden because you need to spend money like that's an extreme example but you get my point right the money has to go somewhere and so if you let if you're letting t walk in your trading tray And what was it you said before the show?
[360] You're trading Trey for a second and third round pick.
[361] The most recent second and third round picks.
[362] You're trading Trey for...
[363] Chris Jenkins and McKinley Jackson.
[364] And McKinley Jackson or Jermaine Burton.
[365] Hey, let's do it for all three.
[366] Who would you rather have?
[367] Yeah.
[368] Pretty simple.
[369] Not a hard choice.
[370] Not to throw any shade at the Bengals young players here, but...
[371] No. It's hard to get that right, especially for this team.
[372] I just...
[373] I don't see the alternative.
[374] that I trust this team to execute is part of the problem I have with the alternatives being suggested.
[375] Like, yeah, if you're a competent team, training Trey could make sense.
[376] You would probably have a replacement for T or a plan there.
[377] And maybe it's not so crazy.
[378] But for this team, I have a really hard time seeing the alternative.
[379] And they're supposed to be in contention, not a playoff contender.
[380] This isn't 2013 Andy Dalton Bengals.
[381] Yeah.
[382] It's much different.
[383] That's where I go to.
[384] And so Joe Burrow, public pressure, history, we've laid out everything.
[385] I mean, it needs to happen.
[386] We'll see if it happens.
[387] Obviously, we're going to talk more about this throughout the offseason, Jake.
[388] No, this is it.
[389] Yeah, right.
[390] It would be nice.
[391] Done deal.
[392] Yeah.
[393] We're going to talk about, we'll just point people to this episode.
[394] No, we'll continue to talk about it.
[395] This is going to continue to come up.
[396] We'll continue to break down the financial aspect of this as well.
[397] We'll try to find the alternatives at some point because we're probably going to have to examine the alternatives if these deals don't get done in the next couple of weeks.
[398] And the combine, I think, is when we'll start to see this really heat up.
[399] If we're talking about when this could happen, the combine is traditionally.
[400] when a lot of this stuff would really start to pick up and we'll potentially hear a little bit more about it.
[401] And that's pretty close now too.
[402] How far away are you from the combine, James?
[403] A couple of weeks?
[404] A few weeks.
[405] Jake might take a boat to a plane, to another plane, to another plane to the combine.
[406] That is what it takes for me to travel east.
[407] That's going to do it for this episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast.
[408] Until next time, thanks for listening.
[409] Hootay.
[410] and have a good one Bengals be like that's what it takes for us to sign our best guys