89 - The Finch

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Hey, this is exciting.

[2] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[3] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[4] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[5] Who killed Saz?

[6] And were they really after Charles?

[7] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[8] This season, murder hits close to home.

[9] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[10] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[11] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[12] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[13] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfenakis, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[14] Only Murders in the Building premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[15] Goodbye.

[16] Hello and welcome to my favorite murder.

[17] The podcast, where you ask the questions and we don't have the answer.

[18] And why would we?

[19] Like, we're not answer people.

[20] We, you know that we've said it a million times.

[21] And also get your own fucking answers.

[22] Whoops, whoops.

[23] And then give them to us.

[24] Please.

[25] Email them to my favorite murder at gmail .com.

[26] Don't forget to Instagram some answers.

[27] Take a picture of the answers and send them to George on Instagram.

[28] You guys are so smart.

[29] You really are.

[30] You absolutely are.

[31] This is a teaching podcast.

[32] We teach you how smart you are by not having answers and requesting them.

[33] Maybe we do have answers.

[34] and we're not really telling you because we want you to learn them yourself i mean it is it does invite the listener in to participate hey we're going to tell you this story are we wrong let us know that's this thing where when i was a kid and was fucking pissed me up more than anything when i'd asked my mom how to spell something and she'd say look it up look it up we have a whole set of dictionaries or whatever the fuck you just spell this three letter word for me you know what that was she didn't know how spell it hello it's a classic mom trick mom you ask pretend to be teaching because you don't know that's like my dad going me complaining about I can't do math him going well just tell me what the problem is me being like no I don't want to open this door three hours later my dad's screaming about new math screaming like trying to read the book yeah from the beginning he's going to help me let me look at the beginning of this chapter hold on let me just read this right forget it forget it forget it and also it's helped me in no way yeah in life math no math has helped me no basic basic algebra all you need and even then really what are these concepts it's almost like in algebra they're trying to get you it's like I don't have to like plan the projection of a rocket ship to get from here to Mars it's never going to happen in my life unless you're a rocket person yeah a rocket business a rocket businessman I think they call them or woman I'm not going to be or a mathematician a rocket business man woman woman like let's not I'm sorry I please edit that out person person person person it could be any gender fluid you could sell rocket ships you could ride on rocket ships and just be the accountant on the rocket ship there's got to be someone who sells parts where where's that guy in the alien series where is the rocket ship accountant that gets eaten first oh I wonder if that's um Paul riser was the irritating guy in at least one of the Alien series.

[35] Yeah.

[36] Was he the one who got his stomach busted open?

[37] Uh, no. Um, although something bad did happen to him.

[38] I shouldn't say no because, but I think the one, I know the one you're thinking of, which is the one where they all had to witness it.

[39] Man, I need to rewatch that movie.

[40] It's the best movie.

[41] That in Space Falls, I haven't seen it too long.

[42] Very similar.

[43] Right.

[44] Similar films.

[45] It's the same kind of idea.

[46] I'm thinking of aliens too, though, right?

[47] Paul Reisers and Stephen, aliens too.

[48] We're getting a yes from young Stephen.

[49] who knows shit.

[50] Science, Stephen.

[51] Those are some of my favorite movies.

[52] And yeah, Paul Reiser, you know, he has to get it in the end, spoilers.

[53] Yes, yeah.

[54] Because he's the doucheback.

[55] He's the corporate douchebag that's like, hey, we're going to do this so you know, hey, I'm going to get you to do something.

[56] Yeah, he's in charge.

[57] Can I say Sigourney Weaver from the first aliens is my underwear muse?

[58] Oh, hell yes.

[59] Those cotton, high -wasted underwear that are a little loose or the sexiest thing.

[60] Like, that's, I stopped wearing.

[61] G -strings when I fucking saw that as an adult.

[62] I have to tell you, those underwear are only sexy if you have really long legs.

[63] If you don't, you look like someone's grandma.

[64] You do.

[65] Which is a genre for some people.

[66] I don't want to kink shame anybody.

[67] God forbid.

[68] But you really need to have the pigs to make those grandma underwear work.

[69] Amen.

[70] And I don't.

[71] Also, you can't have, if it was a realistic movie of her working.

[72] on a spaceship and being all like bedraggled by being chased by aliens you know she would have had like some razor burn she would have had bush coming out of those underwear she's not waxing up in space listen I'm a feminist do whatever you want with your bush listen I don't want to see it right I mean that's not your specific thing no that's not my kink that's not your kink perhaps it's someone else's everybody's included and everybody's supported um this is a murder podcast guys are you here for true crime well that's great is this your your first time listening you are not at the wrong place don't leave don't leave don't go we're about to talk about murder don't go don't leave us i have a specifically gruesome one today do you really it's not gruesome it's just that i've been working on it anyways uh i have to shout out a couple things this will be quick everyone okay the someone named julia er h -you -r made a fucking an 8 -bit video game of my favorite murder.

[73] That's right.

[74] And it is...

[75] I almost started crying when I saw it.

[76] She was playing it.

[77] Stephen loves it.

[78] In the beginning, you fight doctors and nurses, evil doctors and nurses, that are trying to kill you.

[79] It's you and me and Elvis.

[80] And the way we kill people is Elvis attacks them.

[81] It's...

[82] And then you have to go to the Cecil Hotel.

[83] You can take elevators up to kill certain, like, different kinds of killers.

[84] Amazing.

[85] This like 8 -bit music.

[86] It's all 8 -bit, but it's like incredible.

[87] And so you go, okay, this is a weird...

[88] Julia, we need you to fix this website.

[89] It's j -u -k -E -L -I -T -H -D -I -O.

[90] I'm sorry if I actually have sent you to a some kind of virus.

[91] Underpants kink site.

[92] Right, but I don't think it is you can go play this video game.

[93] I don't know what she's going to do with it, but she needs to conquer the world with it.

[94] That's amazing.

[95] It's so good.

[96] Now, I have to tell you, sadly, I am so old.

[97] I am from beef.

[98] I predate 8 -bit video games.

[99] So, like, I know that that's the 90s kids.

[100] It's a big deal to them because they played them and it's the whole like Oregon Trail style shit.

[101] Oh, yeah, I played that.

[102] I'm older than that.

[103] I'm older than that.

[104] So you guys didn't have computer labs in your elementary school.

[105] Well, we didn't have them anyway because it was Catholic school, which is super cheap.

[106] Like our scrap paper, we used paper that was the old menus from restaurants in town.

[107] Are you fucking kidding me?

[108] I swear to God.

[109] That kind of sounds cool because I love menus.

[110] Well, it was fun.

[111] And my friend Ken Mason, one of my first.

[112] friends because I went there in sixth grade so I was new he was also new and he turned to me and goes ma 'am may I take your order this morning and I was like hi new best friends hi best friends never that's incredible yeah um but I was going to say our I think I told you this already our version of computer lab quote unquote was they taught us basically how to enter code where they're like they basically made a we were working for the school where they're like enter this on this line and this on this line and we were just doing they're like having you do their books yeah it was like data entry where they're like put in oh one oh one oh one oh one all the way across yeah it was ridiculous we had no idea what it was how it applied to the computers it doesn't yeah it's like that not necessary unless you're a rocket business and math are extraneous bullshit that you don't need to be taught listen I know email look I know some things I know how to blog no couple things I can write about myself for hours should I mention first we should say thank you so much we went to Detroit and Toronto last weekend fucking nicest crowds incredible crowds incredible shows we had the best time I didn't tweet anything about it because I on my way home I was like oh no it's too late I didn't want to do a like I didn't want to do everybody at once but they were such good shows and at the Toronto show this is my favorite part and when I told my sister she started crying there was a woman there was people who were holding up signs in the audience it was really funny but of course I don't my glasses on so I didn't I just saw that they were like I need to remember that and point shit out to you yeah because like I forget I think that you're not pointing it out because you don't want to but like remember when the two girls dressed as the shining twins in the front row like if I hadn't like and pointed that out to you I would have cried I was like that's embarrassing those two girls wore the same outfit and they're sitting next to each of but there was a girl uh I just I told my sister that the story, there was a girl that we met afterwards who was holding up a sign that said MFM saves lives.

[113] And when I told my sister, she burst into tears, where I'm just like, but the best part about it was, so that's a brag, brag.

[114] As we do.

[115] But when we met her at the meet and greet afterwards, she goes, I thought everyone was going to have a sign.

[116] And I was like, this isn't a March.

[117] You're at a live show.

[118] She, for some reason, had it in her head that everybody was going to have a sign to hold up at the show.

[119] It was, she was so nice.

[120] It was the cutest thing in the world.

[121] It was really fun.

[122] It was a big, and I remember walking out and seeing it, it was a really big sign.

[123] And I was like, oh, the people behind her are so pissed.

[124] That's like, all I could think not like, oh, my God, how nice.

[125] I was like, oh, fuck.

[126] No, it was really sweet.

[127] It was hilarious.

[128] It was great.

[129] And, God, we're just so fucking lucky.

[130] We're so lucky.

[131] The best people.

[132] I know.

[133] It's so fun.

[134] So thank you Detroit.

[135] Thank you, Toronto.

[136] Thank you, JFL for inviting us.

[137] We had a great time, and we were really honored to close the festival.

[138] Yeah.

[139] they told us.

[140] Totally.

[141] Speaking of live shows, really quickly, I just want to mention shows that are kind of new to the roster and still have tickets available.

[142] And still have tickets available.

[143] So Fort Lauderdale on November 5th, Minneapolis on October 18th.

[144] In Kansas City, we added a late show, and that's on December 9th.

[145] The end.

[146] Okay, great.

[147] If you're in any of those cities and you want to come and see us, there are tickets available.

[148] Go get them.

[149] Oh, and then we're doing the L .A. in Los Angeles.

[150] Like, we haven't announced it's not like, we haven't.

[151] been pushing this as much because it's not a huge show, but it's the L .A. Podcast Festival, which is our first show we ever did last year.

[152] Yes.

[153] And it was so much fun and we didn't know what we were doing.

[154] Yeah.

[155] It was very close to our hearts.

[156] It is very close to our hearts because it's the first time we ever put this as a live.

[157] We didn't know at that show if people would even be okay with what we were doing live.

[158] Or come.

[159] Yes.

[160] Or anything.

[161] So and the Dallop puts it on who of course are our brother podcast, I feel like.

[162] Yeah.

[163] Well, it's Dave Anthony.

[164] It's Graham Elwood, it's Chris Mancini.

[165] Right, sorry, yeah.

[166] That's great.

[167] Well, just so everybody gets credit.

[168] We don't want them fighting.

[169] We don't have those boys fighting.

[170] No. So I think we're just going to do like little L .A. murders and then just bring people up to do hometowns, maybe some of our comedy friends that there's live show who are doing the show as well at the pot fest.

[171] And there's a ton of other really great podcast to watch as well.

[172] There's so many good ones this year.

[173] Yeah.

[174] Like, it's great ones.

[175] And it's at the Biltmore Hotel, which in and of itself is an amazing place to be in downtown Los Angeles and gorgeous hotel.

[176] Listen, get a hotel room.

[177] the ace listen have a weekend go to coals and get yourself a french dip you could that's right or philippes depends on which one try them both and tell us what you want you like better i like beliefs better you could um get married and then stay at the biltmore for the weekend and then come to pod fest i think that could be fun get married yeah can we marry people we should get ordained that's a great idea thank you the church thank you i've been waiting for you to say that the church of uh what's that there's an internet church Satan.

[178] Well, yeah, we can do that.

[179] I mean, why not?

[180] Oh, I don't want to make my Aunt Mary mad.

[181] My Aunt Mary had knee surgery.

[182] She came through just fine.

[183] Doddy got fixed today.

[184] She came through.

[185] Very similar.

[186] We were having, um, this is called.

[187] One can talk and is my relative and is a human being.

[188] Just really quick.

[189] I didn't mean to, it's okay.

[190] I didn't mean a belittle Aunt Mary.

[191] I just wanted to put it out there that I'm happy that she made it through.

[192] She listens to this podcast.

[193] That was very disrespectful of me. It's okay.

[194] I know you didn't mean.

[195] it that way.

[196] I didn't.

[197] You were just word associating.

[198] Yeah, but also, you know, how much cats mean to me. Of course.

[199] And it's your own cat, which is...

[200] Stephen is having a nervous breakdown.

[201] Right, right right now.

[202] Stephen, what's so funny about that?

[203] Stephen, what's going on?

[204] No, I just like, I mean, you were just like, and, Donnie...

[205] I thought we were shouting out hospital people.

[206] I thought this was.

[207] We were.

[208] We were.

[209] We were.

[210] I overstepped my balance.

[211] I just needed to...

[212] I needed to cap it.

[213] That's all.

[214] No, it's perfect.

[215] You got it.

[216] It was perfect.

[217] That's just so like me. And my cat.

[218] It's your...

[219] I can relate everything to my cat.

[220] But a Doddy came through fine.

[221] It's okay.

[222] We don't have to do it.

[223] I didn't mean to...

[224] I know.

[225] No, she's fine.

[226] That'll be my thing I love at the end.

[227] Let's save that up for the end.

[228] Cut that out.

[229] Okay, good.

[230] Don't cut that out.

[231] Okay.

[232] I think that's it.

[233] Oh, my thing is, there's something else I want to talk about.

[234] I can't remember what it is offhand.

[235] Which is just the style that I'm in right now.

[236] But I will say this.

[237] I was going insane.

[238] Trying to enter Mindhunter's the new David Fincher series into my DVR.

[239] I was doing it.

[240] I'm like, every time I would do it, it wouldn't accept it.

[241] And I'm like, what the fuck?

[242] I'm too late.

[243] I'm too early.

[244] I'm too early.

[245] I'm too early.

[246] Well, now I know for a fact it's starting, I believe, on October 13.

[247] I cannot wait.

[248] I cannot wait.

[249] Finally, I put it together.

[250] I had to look it up online.

[251] It's a Netflix series.

[252] There's nothing to program in my DVR.

[253] It was making means because I'm like, I'm going to miss it.

[254] And so anyone else who might be having that experience, it's a Netflix series that you can't pre - It's going to be so good.

[255] We're going to talk about it.

[256] We're going to have an extra minisode just to talk about it.

[257] Yes, please.

[258] Watch it together.

[259] Yes.

[260] And then have a whole talk now because it's distracting me. There's lots of people that I love sending me suggestions constantly and you on Twitter of, have you seen this.

[261] Have you seen that?

[262] I kind of did me. I felt bad the other night when I was like, watch this thing.

[263] You have to.

[264] And then I was like, I'm texting back.

[265] I'm sorry, you don't have to do anything.

[266] We're very careful.

[267] We're trying to be very careful.

[268] Very careful with each other's triggers.

[269] Our therapist said we're perfect together because we're the exact triggers for each other.

[270] Yes.

[271] Which I love.

[272] I think we're we're each other's sisters.

[273] You're my sister and I'm your sister?

[274] You're not.

[275] You're not my sister.

[276] She's too fucking cool for me. No, no. I love her.

[277] She is the greatest.

[278] No, weird.

[279] It's just, it's almost like everything that I've ever worried about myself.

[280] I see in you and then I get mad at you that I was like that yeah it's like that crazy and I get scared of I just I always make friends with these women who have big personalities and I get intimidated and I get intimidated easily and I don't act like myself which they see and isn't fun and then I change and get controlling and shit and weird yeah because it makes sense to me though when you have because I also make friends with people with big personalities and you your option.

[281] That's a compliment.

[282] I fucking love badass women.

[283] Yeah.

[284] And I want to be friends with them.

[285] But you have to also have boundaries and you have to be able to hold your own shit and like no like I have a big personality but I also absolutely want to know what you want.

[286] Like it's hard to manage that sometimes because I come from a family of screaming Irish people that are like terrified of screaming people.

[287] Shut the door!

[288] That's standard talking and I'm like she hates me. She hates me what did I do I need a fix this I'm gonna be really nice to her and then you're just like she's annoying the shit out of me what's that tone in her voice yeah I think she might be snapping yeah it's we're great guys we're working look at us we're therapy is my god can you imagine life without therapy it would be bad I go to three therapists a week and it's and I'm still not fixed I go to two will never be fixed no there's no fixing we're not cats it's just right we're just you're just always working on it it's just our project And we have this project The best thing The best thing when we, after the shows When we meet people Is when they say I went to therapy Because you guys were so open about it To me that's like Therapy is my fucking So important My jam and like if we can do that Then I don't give a shit anything else Exactly It's such a It's such a weird side effect That we had no idea Was going to happen And people have told On all of those shows We had people at those meet and greets saying I went back or I went for the first time or whatever it is, we're so grateful to hear that.

[289] There was one girl who was like, my therapist made me come tonight.

[290] Yes, that's right.

[291] Remember?

[292] She came alone.

[293] She was like, my therapist told me, I have to come.

[294] Yeah.

[295] So cute.

[296] All right.

[297] Then we get obsessed with like, did you meet those girls over there?

[298] They're really nice.

[299] Like, we want the, we want a friend match.

[300] Yeah.

[301] I love it.

[302] Anyhow, David Fincher.

[303] Netflix, mine hunters, I cannot wait.

[304] It's based on, it's based on early FBI serial killing profiling and how serial killers like it's just about all that it's everything we love and Finch the Finch is so good beautiful shots of like a 70s green Nova yes pulling into a shot and how gorgeous it was this is going to be a Netflix thing yeah it's going to be a weekly series of beautiful shots fuck fuck fuck I'm so excited okay anything else um I think whatever else there is that is dominating my mind.

[305] The Fincher thing?

[306] Yeah.

[307] I'm just obsessed.

[308] I don't have anything.

[309] March things, whatever.

[310] Yeah, things are on sale.

[311] You guys buy so many shirts and things.

[312] Shirts are going like hot cakes.

[313] Oh, people love them those shirts.

[314] People love this.

[315] They're starting to post photos of them.

[316] They're starting to get them.

[317] Stephen.

[318] Nice.

[319] Shirts are amazing.

[320] Who goes for us this week?

[321] Me?

[322] Yeah, if we're going by Toronto.

[323] I don't even know what we go by anymore, but I'm, No, that's what we go by.

[324] Okay.

[325] Just the shows we do.

[326] Whoever went.

[327] Yeah, okay.

[328] Cool.

[329] We do it by our own personal calendar.

[330] It's like the Jewish calendar, but it's my favorite murder calendar.

[331] Mm -hmm.

[332] All right.

[333] We're as old as the Jewish calendar.

[334] We really are.

[335] And historic.

[336] Hey, this is exciting.

[337] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[338] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[339] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[340] Who killed Saz?

[341] And were they really after Charles?

[342] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[343] This season, murder hits close to home.

[344] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[345] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[346] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[347] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[348] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfenakis, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, Davey, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[349] Only Martyrs in the Building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[350] Goodbye.

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[371] Goodbye.

[372] Are you ready for Dean Coral, the candy man?

[373] I went there.

[374] You went there.

[375] I went there.

[376] I went there.

[377] Big shout out right now to the Texas Monthly article, The Lost Boys by Skip Hollinsworth, who I feel like we reference a lot.

[378] He writes incredible murder articles.

[379] Skip Hollingsworth?

[380] Holland.

[381] Hollinsworth?

[382] Awesome.

[383] It's called The Lost Boys.

[384] It's got a lot.

[385] I feel like he wrote one that I did that was from Texas.

[386] He's been on our, he's been on the show before.

[387] Okay.

[388] That's awesome.

[389] And then also, I want to shout out Marcus Parks from hell yes.

[390] Fucking last podcast on the left for all the research that they did like a four part episode.

[391] Yes.

[392] It's like got a lot of details that this doesn't have.

[393] have it's because I don't not going to do four parts of this no um it's so their version of it yeah was such a deep dive but also so upsetting there were things in that that like I don't I'd seen that story before on like uh whatever forensic files types of things it's really they he went into a deep dive of all these books there's not a lot of documentaries there's just some like videos on YouTube and shit but there's not a lot of stuff this is yeah this is an epic one okay it's amazing all right I love it and just we love you Marcus Parks yeah thank you Marcus Parks you're a genius you're a mastermind you're um yeah he's a murder savant he's just so good at researching he is I wish I wish I wish I wish I wish I wish okay just give us all your old notes Marcus it's like he's our brother and he already took the class yeah I'm like can I copy please just give it to us and we'll read your thing yeah and then we'll do our own I swear we'll do a boring version of your body we promise we're not going to have um We're not going to have Henry's Voices.

[394] Like talking in the background, so it's not going to be the same.

[395] We'll be the quiet girl version.

[396] Okay.

[397] Here we go.

[398] This is the Candyman, Dean Coral.

[399] All right.

[400] On the evening of August 7th, it's 1973, Wayne Henley, he's a 17 -year -old wiry kid, acne, thick brown hair.

[401] He's kind of like, looks like a Brooklyn hipster.

[402] He invites his 19 -year -old friend, Timothy Curley, to a party at his friend, Dean Coral's house in Pasadena, It's a suburb of Houston.

[403] and they bring along Henley's 15 -year -old friend Rhonda Williams.

[404] She had been beaten by her drunk father that night.

[405] And so he was like, he took her out of the home for the time being.

[406] I was like, you can crash at my friend Dean Coral's house.

[407] Dean Coral is 33.

[408] And she, Henley tells them he's a chilled dude.

[409] He lets people crash at his house.

[410] It parties with them.

[411] 33 -year -old guy wants to party with teenagers?

[412] Yep.

[413] A red flag.

[414] Seven red flags.

[415] A hundred.

[416] what started singing a lot on this podcast you got to i know sometimes that's the only way to get real crazy shit out okay they get there on 3 a .m they drink they smoke they snuff sniff paint they pass the fuck out what sorry you know it's a 70s you sniff paint god it's so that is the bleakest like it's that thing of like when you scrape your pot pipes and you're just trying to get like you smoke old resin or whatever like sniffing paint is like 10 steps below that well because I bet the 70s weed is fucking terrible sure and they're fucking high school kids have you seen there's a um there's an amazing mug shot of a guy and it just has a ring of a paint can outwind around his face it's gold isn't gold paint ring I used to have this tumbler I had a hundred tumblers and I had one called uh what was it was called look at this fucking convict.

[417] And I would post a photo of a mugshot and just write what happened.

[418] I should do that again.

[419] That's funny.

[420] Whatever.

[421] And I posted that one once.

[422] So they pass out and they, and Henley wakes up to find his mouth taped shut.

[423] His ankles are bound.

[424] And Dean Coral is snapping handcuffs onto his wrists.

[425] And Curley and Rhonda are also bound gag beside him.

[426] And Curly had been stripped naked.

[427] So when Henley woke up, Coral removes the gag and he says, I'll help you kill them if you just let me go.

[428] And he says, okay.

[429] And then so they untie Henley, they go to, and Coral's going to sexually assaults Curley.

[430] And he says to Henley, go assault Rhonda.

[431] and ties them up.

[432] So, Coral starts to assault Curley, and then Henley grabs Coral's pistol off the mantle, off the thing, and shouts, you've gone too far, Dean, I can't go on any longer.

[433] I can't have you kill all my friends and shoots Dean Coral in the forehead, which didn't penetrate his fucking head.

[434] What?

[435] This again?

[436] I know.

[437] Why does this keep happening?

[438] That's the second story we've heard where a bullet ricochets off of someone's skull.

[439] Yep.

[440] Makes me feel a little better.

[441] I mean, it's insanity.

[442] Yeah.

[443] It also makes me think, is it the killers?

[444] Like, is this a trait of certain types of people?

[445] When people say, you got a real thick skull.

[446] Yeah.

[447] Maybe it's a thing.

[448] Science people.

[449] Guys.

[450] Figure it out.

[451] Science people.

[452] Cure cancer, then figure it out.

[453] Yeah.

[454] Don't prioritize this, please.

[455] So he shoots Dean five more times in the hallway.

[456] He finally collapses dead.

[457] There's a fucking photo of that online, but you can't see his face.

[458] and this murder of Dean Coral ends the worst serial killer case in Houston history Wayne Wayne Henley calls the police on himself they arrive and Henley explained what had happened that night and the police thought of him as a hero initially because he saved his friends and then the story took a turn as Henley began to tell detectives the crazy story of the past three fucking years so ever since they met in 1971 under the command of Dean Coral he had Henley had helped procure teenage boys some of whom had been his own friends for Dean Coral to rape and murder the doctors were like fuck you that's not true they were totally skeptical but they went through the crime scene with the house of Dean Coral and they started finding things that were like oh shit maybe he's not lying they found plastic sheeting covering the floors a plywood board with handcuffs on each corner which you can see online as well dildos and other tortured devices.

[459] And then also his Ford Econa line had a wooden crate with air holes drilled in the sides, pegboard walls, and in the rear of the van were rigged with several, several rings and hooks.

[460] As part of the fucking story in last podcast on the left, the shit that is Henry Zabrowski saying is some of the funniest shit I've ever heard.

[461] Yes.

[462] It's like epic.

[463] He's the master.

[464] Yeah.

[465] There's a lot, you know, there's a lot of triggering shit in there, but that part's great.

[466] okay and inside the crate were several strands of human hair they're still skeptical though and so Henley is like let me show you something he leads detectives to a southwest Houston boat shed rented by coral gives the names of three boys they could find buried in there that had been reported and the cops were like well those boys had been reported missing for three years and so they start to dig this is the part in last podcast on the lift were so upsetting and fucked up.

[467] I think even Henry was upset at this part because it's so disturbing.

[468] Well, there's this document.

[469] The only good documentary was on YouTube.

[470] It's called 1973 Houston Mass Murders, but be careful because they show them digging bodies out.

[471] Yeah.

[472] And the other part that's so insane is they get inmates from the local jail to help them dig it out.

[473] And you're like, what if you had gotten a DUI and they were like, come dig out.

[474] like you're going to be fucking scarred for life you know and everything about that part where it's like they just got some people who are not qualified basically as a punishment to uncover like killing a killing boat shed like the most teenage boys yeah okay so um so they they begin to dig and find a body within minutes they find the first body okay so let's go to to Dean Coral.

[475] There's a ton of shit about his childhood.

[476] I don't think any of it's relevant.

[477] It's like the typical kind of shitty childhood, mom and dad divorced, blah, blah, blah.

[478] But it's not, I don't think it's that important to the story that I'm telling.

[479] So I'm not going to fucking talk about it.

[480] He ends up in the Heights neighborhood of Houston.

[481] And that's where a lot of this takes place.

[482] The Heights neighborhood is kind of this poor, underprivileged neighborhood.

[483] And the, you know, Back then, children ran amok.

[484] You do whatever the fuck you want.

[485] So the reason he got his name, the candy man, is he worked in his family's candy company.

[486] And then in 1965, the candy company moved across the street from an elementary school.

[487] And he was known to give free candy to local children.

[488] I mean, why not dress up like a clown?

[489] You've got everything else horrifying going on.

[490] Well, I mean, yeah, it's like in 1973, they're like, go hang out with that nice man. It gives you candy.

[491] it's so suspicious yeah no it's not then but it should be right not then but like now that we know what we know it's just like people it's like people who are like oh i'm not trying to catch any fish i'm just making this huge fishing lore right that you know what i mean it's just like what would make children come around all the time what's that movie that has um what's his name matt dillon and the child the kids take over the town oh on the on the on the edge, over the edge?

[492] You mean where they're just partying in the suburbs, like, and none of the parents are around?

[493] Yeah, yeah.

[494] Watch that movie, and that's what, to me, it seems like this time was like, it's a good movie, but also you just were out till all, till whenever you wanted to be.

[495] You had total freedom.

[496] Yeah.

[497] To hang out with fucking perverted 30 year old men.

[498] Yes, it was the thing of, if they're an adult, they're in charge.

[499] If they're an adult, they're fine.

[500] Yeah.

[501] Like, that's all it takes to qualify.

[502] You have a job and a car, and you don't have like long hippie hair and you're a good guy around like good yeah yeah um so he was known to get free candy out in particular teenage boys and they let he he made a whole rec room for them to hang out and with like a pool table and shit um he's big and broad shoulders thick black hair and sideburns uh he was known in the words of one of the reporters a pleasant smiling candy man of the heights um red flag aren't they all aren't they all yeah red flag i don't know red flag Yeah.

[503] I don't, there's a couple pictures of him.

[504] There's not a lot.

[505] And he just looks like a normal dude.

[506] A normal like nice looking guy.

[507] Yeah.

[508] creepy.

[509] Yeah.

[510] He's, he's the creepiest in that he clean cut.

[511] Yes.

[512] He did it exactly right to not get caught.

[513] He did it so right.

[514] Okay.

[515] So in 1967, he befriended 12 year old David Brooks.

[516] He was in sixth grade.

[517] His family life was kind of falling apart.

[518] And so Brooks was taken under Dean's wing as like a mentor almost.

[519] He, Brooke said about him, he was the first adult male who didn't make fun of him and that he was like a father figure, which is insane.

[520] Yeah.

[521] So as a teen, as when Brooks became a teen, Coral paid him to allow him to perform fallacious on him.

[522] And he began living with Dean a lot since he was from this broken home.

[523] And I'm sure his family was like, great.

[524] He's got an adult role model.

[525] Yeah.

[526] But according to those who knew Brooks, the teenager wasn't gay.

[527] He had a girlfriend who lived in the Heights.

[528] but this older man who had known him since he was like, help me. Yeah, he basically, well, that's what pedophiles do is they groomed.

[529] They pick them, they only pick children who aren't being protected.

[530] Yeah, this kid, they say that he was an introspective young kids.

[531] We probably didn't have a ton of friends.

[532] His parents were divorced and moved away.

[533] So, and all of these fucking documentaries and all of these stories, they call Dean Coral homosexual and I can't fucking I don't think that's right.

[534] I think he's a pedophile and that's not the same thing as being homosexual.

[535] Right.

[536] He even had a girlfriend.

[537] Dean Coralden?

[538] Yeah.

[539] Yeah, no, he's a pedophile.

[540] He's a pedophile.

[541] Like, that's not homosexual.

[542] Right.

[543] So That's also, I think, it could be too, you're reading things from Texas in like the 80s maybe where there's not, you know, people hadn't caught up all the way to like what are we really talking about because most pedophiles are straight men.

[544] Yeah.

[545] That's, that's like, governmental statistics.

[546] Well, I still see it like copied in articles, you know, that homosexual, like just he's a pedophile who liked young boys.

[547] So it's not, I don't know.

[548] It's just something that irks me. Like, I feel like if I had said that, we'd get an email from someone to be like, it's not, you know, and rightfully correcting it.

[549] And I totally agree with that.

[550] Yeah, exactly.

[551] So Dean Coral's first known murder victim is 18 year old Jeffrey Conan on September 25th, 1970.

[552] He'd been hitchhiking from the University of Texas and was dropped off near Dean's apartment and they think that Dean offered him a ride and he gagged him with a cloth and strangled him after the murder of Jeffrey Conan David Brooks so his fucking kid who was 15 walks in on Coral in the act of assaulting two teenage boys who Coral is strapped to a plywood torture board and Coral promised Brooks a car in return for his silence he told Brooks 15 years old that he is part of a gay pornography ring.

[553] He had been paid to send the boys to California to pose for photos.

[554] That's what his story was.

[555] It's so you don't have to worry about it.

[556] Yeah.

[557] Somehow.

[558] But then later, Coral confessed that he had killed the boys and he offered David $200 for any boy he could lure to Coral's apartment.

[559] And at this point, it seems like Brooks, people say he didn't have a choice.

[560] You know, he was now part of it because he had not told about the two boys he had seen him molesting.

[561] And also this is, this is a life change that's been introduced by a person he trusted.

[562] So he doesn't, he hasn't had any other adults in his life that have been reliable, it sounds like, or good people.

[563] And now the one person that he sees as a good person is introducing all these kind of variables where he's supposed to believe this is okay behavior.

[564] Or it's like, yeah, cut this person who's supported you for the past, you know, few years out of your life or do what's or play along you're not going to kill anyone just bring him to him I mean it's insane it's an insane fucking story but it's it's kind of like brainwashing I mean really that's you know he's getting people he's not convincing anybody that's like coming from a great background with a lot of solid ground under their feet which isn't in no way to say if you're from a broken home obviously that you would be but it's more of the he knew who to pick to groom to basically brainwash into living this way.

[565] I mean, aside from Dean Coral who's clearly a psychopath, it's insane that he was able to get this kid, David Brooks, to fucking do this for him.

[566] And I can't wrap my head around it.

[567] I can't imagine a scenario that I'd ever be okay with that, which means it's a scenario that I can't even imagine.

[568] It's like something really insane happened that this kid was okay with it.

[569] Right.

[570] Or maybe he wasn't okay with it, but what else?

[571] He was already in.

[572] Yeah.

[573] Like he didn't, he had nowhere else to go.

[574] Definitely.

[575] Okay.

[576] On December 13th, 1970, so David Brooks lures two 14 -year -old kids named James Glass and Danny Yates.

[577] He lures them from a religious rally to Coral's apartment.

[578] You know, the thing of like, hey, let's go party.

[579] You know, I got some weed, and we can hang out at this dude's house.

[580] Yeah.

[581] Like, cool, older guy.

[582] There's a pool table.

[583] Do you know who it is?

[584] It's fucking, it's the movie, oh, my God, what's wrong with my brain?

[585] It's Matthew McConaughey.

[586] It's Matthew motherfucking McConaughey.

[587] Yeah.

[588] from days and confused days and confused yes that's exactly who he is and the victim is the kid from it with the long hair yeah the little kid the fifth the new freshman yeah that's exactly what it is and like everyone's like david matthew mccanagan his character's so cool no he's a fucking perverted pedophile he's an old man he's a gross old man yeah wants to hang out with high school kids but there is that thing of inclusion if you are living your whole life so say it is let's use the days and confused example and that kid isn't just getting us kicked at school, but there was very violent scenes of him getting his ass kicked at home and home being an unsafe place for him to be.

[589] And then you've got Matthew Cahney rolling up and being like, hey man, it's chill.

[590] Come and play pool.

[591] Yeah, get in my cool car.

[592] I'll drive you around town.

[593] We'll go to this bar, play pool.

[594] Totally.

[595] You've finally found somewhere to land.

[596] Yeah.

[597] You don't want to give that up right away.

[598] It's almost like he's slowly ebbed away, or I don't know, there's a better way to say it but like it's almost like I bought him I bought you a car you know like he's just yeah grinding down this kid's inner identity yeah it's fucked up I mean yeah definitely so let's so the police should arrest Matthew McConaughey's what I'm saying what it like it gets so much worse you know our tagline always um so both boys James Glass and Danny 8th are tied to opposite sides of Coral's torture board and subsequently raped and strangled.

[599] Six weeks after that double murder on January 30th, 1971, Brooks and Coral find two teenage boys brothers named Donald and Jerry Waldrop, Waldorp, Waldrop, walking.

[600] The boys were taken into the van, driven Coral's apartment, and it's like they don't grab them off the street.

[601] They want to party, which is the scariest part to me. yeah um the apartment where they rape torture and strangle the brothers and at this point brooks drops out of school just it's he's 100 % with coral so yeah and i bet you he's sorry but i bet you he's if there's some you know like the moral compass inside he's probably having to met self -medicate so much just to make all of this okay right and then having a normal life like school and teachers Your brain can't wrap around that.

[602] There's no going back to sitting in a classroom after you're doing shit like this.

[603] So between March and May of 1971, Coral abducted and killed three more victims, all of who lived in the Heights area as well.

[604] His ammo in most cases was gruesome, torture, and rape, and he'd sometimes shoot them, sometimes strangle them.

[605] A couple occasions he'd leave his victims to die by bleeding out from the gunshot wound.

[606] and each of these adductions, Brooks is known to have been a participant.

[607] Again, they go a lot further into it if you're okay with gruesome shit in last podcast in the left.

[608] Yeah.

[609] The other two victims were 13 -year -old David Hildeguist and 16 -year -old Greg Winkle, and they were abducted and killed together on the afternoon of May 29th, 1971.

[610] And so in the case with other parents as well, both sets of parents are frantic to find their kids, they know something is wrong.

[611] These are young boys who don't run away.

[612] And one of the people who voluntarily offered to distribute posters of the boys was a friend of theirs, 15 -year -old neighbor, Wayne Henley, lifelong friend of Hildeguist.

[613] So at this point, in 71, Brooks introduces Coral to Wayne Henley.

[614] Remember him from the beginning of the story, he shot and killed Dean Coral.

[615] Yeah.

[616] And it's possible that Wayne was supposed to.

[617] to be a potential victim.

[618] But for some reason, they became friends and Wayne Henley became another accomplice.

[619] Wayne Henley said about him, we hit it off.

[620] He was a smart, clean cut, nicely dressed man. He listened to me. He explained things to me. I'll be honest with you.

[621] It was important that Dean liked me. He was kind.

[622] Wow.

[623] I know.

[624] Which then explains.

[625] Is it David Brooks?

[626] Yeah.

[627] explains his participation.

[628] Same thing.

[629] Yeah.

[630] The value of just being there and like listening, not being parental, being like the cool uncle.

[631] Yeah.

[632] Or just trying to like pay attention a little bit.

[633] Yeah.

[634] I feel like parents are getting that now nowadays, like in spades.

[635] Yeah.

[636] But in the 70s, it was just like your parents were the people that came home and you ate meals with.

[637] And they yelled at you.

[638] Yeah.

[639] Because it was like, it was also in a lower class neighborhood.

[640] So it was probably both parents were working.

[641] So they didn't have time.

[642] to fucking deal with your shit.

[643] And you were, maybe you were a bad kid, let's say, and they didn't.

[644] Yeah.

[645] You were just one more headache.

[646] Yeah.

[647] I mean, that's how it is for some people and was for a lot of people back then.

[648] Yeah.

[649] For sure.

[650] They hit it off.

[651] And when he found out, Henley didn't, about the murders, Henley didn't go to the police, even when Coral told him that he had been the person who abducted and killed, David Hildegeist, his childhood friend.

[652] Coral pushed Henley to bring him another boy, and he picked Frank Aguier, a good friend of his, which is so fucking insane.

[653] But I think that speaks to the level of psychopath that Dean Coral was, because they're like the greatest, like, traveling salesman that you've ever met.

[654] That's what they're like.

[655] Like, that to me is so dark.

[656] I mean, it's fucking crazy awful, obviously.

[657] but like to bring a friend to know that he's going to get at least he's going to get raped but i mean i think that the pitch is on dean coral side is like i will like you even more you will get even more for me even better like show me you mean it yeah almost like show me how much you're involved in this i mean whatever psychopaths do to get you to hypnotize you into doing what they want this guy was good at yeah very good i mean it's insane yeah um okay so they bring him okay they play the game which we fucking have heard again again and again the handcuff game good old handcuff game the one where henley and brooks put on the pair of handcuffs behind their back they have a secret key and they're like see they're trick handcuffs you try it and then he tries it nope and he's he's stuck oh you can just picture it it breaks my fucking heart.

[658] If you are ever in a scenario, age, anything up till any, at any point in your life, let's say.

[659] There's no age limit on this game.

[660] And someone says, let's play the handcuff game.

[661] Immediately walk out of the room and call the police.

[662] Yeah.

[663] Why else?

[664] Because at the very least, they're a magician, so you should call the police anyway.

[665] But there's almost nothing good comes out of the handcuff game.

[666] No, A, don't be alone in a room with a man ever, unless it's your boyfriend or something.

[667] Don't be alone in a room with a man, especially a strange man, especially if there's handcuffs.

[668] Three times underlined if there's handpuffs.

[669] Do you think I'd ever let anyone but like Vince and Stephen in this house if I were alone?

[670] No, I would, if someone knocked, I would tiptoe to the door, I would peek out the thing and I'd be like, hell fucking no. Now, what have you had the handcuffs?

[671] What if the power was in your hands?

[672] I don't know.

[673] I would just like handcuff him and paint his nails because I'm not a psychopath.

[674] the idea that anyone wants to handcuff anybody is something bad is about to happen that's not a game let's look for our context clues of bad things happening even if they want to do that fucking chinese finger trap still that's two fingers you don't have nope that shit and get the fuck out of there goodbye I hate this birthday party mom goodbye and you're leaving your mom alone with him now what a dick kids are such asshole Okay.

[675] So they play the handcuff game.

[676] When Aguire puts on the handcuffs, Coral drags the teenager into the bedroom.

[677] And according to Henley, quote, had his fun with him.

[678] Can I just tell you I've been studying this one?

[679] I was like, I'm going to do it this week.

[680] And I had two days to do it.

[681] And I'm like, no, you're not.

[682] This is too much.

[683] And I, so I've been doing it for three weeks and having fucking nightmares.

[684] I bet.

[685] Like, I'm really glad to get this fucking over with.

[686] This one and the toy box killer are like, I don't, I stopped listening to Toy Box Killer on last podcast.

[687] I can't do that.

[688] There's nothing They have recordings of it The fact that there's recordings of him Just know Just don't you guys If you're sensitive Don't read the toy box killer No about it It's the worst I'll never do it It's pure demonic destruction There's nothing interesting about it It's a person who can destroy people And does very slowly It's horrible Yeah So in late 72 They brought 17 year old Billy Bulk who used to sell Dean Coral's candy door to door and his 16 year old friend Johnny Delone 14 months later Coral Henley and Brooks grabbed Billy's younger brother Michael who was on his way to get a haircut how fucking sad is that this parent lot the parents lost first their kid first kid goes missing then they grab his little brother and he goes missing and the parents know something is wrong in a lot of the in a lot of the documentaries they're like they thought they were runaways or like they were poor and they didn't care at that point if they were runaways which from what I read and what I can tell it's not true his parents knew something was wrong.

[689] So they captured and killed a 20 year old father who had been living in the heights and was hitchhiking.

[690] They snatched Homer Garcia a boy from Southwest Houston who was going to driver's ed with fucking Henley and then two boys who had just moved into an apartment across the street from Henley's house.

[691] Then it was 15 year old Billy Lawrence and he was forced to write a letter to his father.

[692] father saying, Daddy, I hope you know, at the end, he's saying, I'm going to go away for a little while.

[693] I got this job.

[694] I'll be back in town.

[695] And then he wrote at the end, Daddy, I hope you know I love you, your son, Billy.

[696] He was kept alive for three days on the plywood because Henry later said, Coral, quote, really liked him.

[697] Um, next was Rusty Branch and, uh, in a total, so in total 28 boys from the Houston area disappeared in a three fucking year span.

[698] 28?

[699] 28 boys.

[700] Aging from 9 to 21.

[701] 11 went missing from the same junior high school.

[702] 11 teenage boys, not teenage, 13, 14 year old boys, 12 year old boys from the same junior high school.

[703] Red fucking flag.

[704] Principal, whatever your name is.

[705] Where is anybody doing anything?

[706] Principal Dave fucking call the police.

[707] and at least 20 of them had been residents of either the heights or adjoining neighborhoods many parents of the boys had desperate searches for their kids some took out so there were people who took out a loan to hire a private detective offered and remember these are people who don't have money offered a large reward called the police constantly they employed multiple psychics and the end police were even aware that anything was amiss of course they did the fucking they're all runaways 28 boys in three years and they're all runaways So it was the norm though in the 70s Especially kids who came from the heights Who police just wouldn't even look into it Okay about the police I don't want to blame them And dismiss them as being shitty at their jobs Because there was a lot going on at the time Which made it a perfect hunting ground for quarrel Houston's crazy domineering police chief Herman Short He believed in an old school way of law enforcement Houston was exploding a population There was a fucking ton of money So there were really rich people there And that's who they really cared Or he really cared about They had an understaffed police force In 1970 they had half the minimum To police the population Whoa And this is in places where there's a lot Of crime going on And they underpaid the cops Federal funds were available But short refused any federal assistance Calling it a handout Oh no No no no It's like the wild fucking West Get out of here The workload was so crazy that many cops just gave up And they played a game of who could leave work the earliest So parents who had lost their sons On one side of the Heights Had no idea that there were parents On the other side of the Heights Who had also lost sons So there was It was just a disorganized Insane Hopeless situation The thought of being a parent And not being I've always thought about that with the runaway thing Where it's like You know your kid better than anyone There's something wrong Also just that the idea that they're essentially what it sounds like is there was almost no police force right for them right which is horrifying talk about this is an amazing venture here's your next movie dude because it's the candy man which in and of itself is a huge horrifying story like the name is like spot on it's one of those like classic yeah but then on top of that he's so he's clearly so smart yes Dean Coral is so smart and the opportunity he he got lucky he got lucky that it was that period of time and that he was this master manipulator yeah but that part i remember when marcus was talking about that part in their thing and the details they gave about all those things it was mind -blowing where it's like there's always you know it's like the same thing happened in the late 70s in l .a in the late 70s there was four serial killers working at one time Jesus Christ and it was the same thing of the cops didn't taught the they were all competing with each other so the they wouldn't do cross county communication they wouldn't do well they didn't have a lot of ways of even even if they wanted to there was no internet you couldn't call and be like do you have someone who was strangled and it's like there's tons of other things going on yeah at the same time there's all kinds of stuff and it's all uh yeah everything's like write a letter oh do you want to find out if something happened in the valley yeah write a letter right so the one thing that chief short did do and an attempt to make sure the crimes didn't happen after they found out about it, was order as officers to raid the city's gay bars.

[708] Problem solved.

[709] Problem solved.

[710] Yay.

[711] Good job.

[712] Good job.

[713] Okay.

[714] Let's go back to the beginning of the story.

[715] 1973, Wayne Henley leads skeptical police to the boat shed that Dean Coral rented.

[716] They start to dig with the help of fucking inmates.

[717] And they found the first body in a matter of minutes, then two more, then another six -under -e them stacked up.

[718] Henley also led authorities to a location near a wooded area near Sam Rayburn Reservoir where four bodies were uncovered.

[719] The day after Henley's arrest, David Brooks turns himself in to the police.

[720] Henley hadn't even mentioned him.

[721] He didn't read him out.

[722] I know.

[723] And together they led police to a location on high island.

[724] There's like scenes of them digging at a beach.

[725] It's crazy.

[726] But like people camping and there's fucking bodies.

[727] So they found six more bodies at High Island, and within a week, the remains of 27 young males had been found.

[728] Wow.

[729] A week after the first bodies were found, despite a few thousand missing persons reports having come in from 1968 to 1970s, the authorities, they call off the excavations, despite the fact that even Henley and Brooks told them they knew where other bodies could be located.

[730] They just decided that's enough?

[731] Well, I think they didn't want the death toll to get higher.

[732] Because it looks so bad.

[733] Yeah.

[734] Oh, fuck.

[735] I think that they were like already under so much scrutiny by the media that they stopped.

[736] Can I just say this to people, if you're ever in this situation where you're in charge of something that's going to total shit, the only thing you can do at a certain point is let the truth come out.

[737] Yeah.

[738] because you pretending like that idea is so to me such a like male uh in his 60s I'm in charge of this watch listen to me everybody it's a narcissistic in a way that I can't put myself in those parents shoes that they might want to find like I don't understand what anyone else is he's prioritizing what it looks like for him as opposed to what it feels like for the victims he probably can't even begin to comprehend other people's emotions well in also but also he's in a situation that he's not trained for he's never even thought could happen but the and he screwed screwed up from the get go yeah and and but the when you're at that at that point let it all come out because you have to think of like long term how it looks and also what your actual job is your job is to protect people you can't now pretend like you protected anybody because that that's off the boards entirely yeah why am i talking about this i'm not giving advice to this fucking sheriff from 40 years ago.

[739] But it bums me out because you watch people make these decisions where it's like, okay, well, now I'm just going to scramble to cover my own ass.

[740] It drives me crazy.

[741] Yeah, where it's like, that part's over.

[742] Yeah.

[743] It's over.

[744] The thing, like, my therapist will always say when I get these calamity things in my head of everything's going to fall apart, she's like, okay, what do you, what can they not take away from you?

[745] And it's like, they can't take away Vince.

[746] They can't wake in my cats.

[747] They can't take my family.

[748] I'm healthy still.

[749] It's like, it's going to suck and you're going to look like a piece of shit, but it's going to be okay in the long run.

[750] Don't add to it.

[751] Don't fucking add to it by lying.

[752] Don't lie.

[753] Don't lie.

[754] Because here's the other thing too.

[755] It's a thing where you can, you can lie, obviously, and in the moment you're going to think that that's a good fix.

[756] And you're out of it.

[757] Yeah, you got out of it.

[758] You're tripling down on how bad you look when you tell a lie.

[759] Because here's the thing.

[760] And I just, this is a recommendation in lying in general as a great huge liar all my life.

[761] You always get caught and it's humiliating and you look 10 times worse than you actually are.

[762] Yeah.

[763] Because you think there's a side.

[764] You think there's a shortcut.

[765] You think you can get out of it by just saying something.

[766] Please just know there's always someone around who knows the truth and knows you're lying.

[767] And you're doubling down.

[768] You're absolutely right because then you can come back and be like, okay, this is what actually happened.

[769] Right.

[770] But you also lied about it.

[771] Right.

[772] So you're even a bigger piece of shit.

[773] You're just making everything worse.

[774] like the best thing and this was like training from from high stress TV daily TV production where it's just come clean immediately and start fixing it yeah that's the only thing that was ever solution you never got in trouble for fucking up as long as you were in the solution yeah but when you lie and you go like oh someone else told me well then you're delaying the fix yeah and delaying the fix is really the worst sin of all because lying is just that's just for your ego yeah but you have to fix it.

[775] The 70s.

[776] The 70s.

[777] Stop lying.

[778] The 80s need to go to prison.

[779] The 70s need to stop lying.

[780] The 90s.

[781] I'm not ready to talk about the 90s.

[782] We'll go there.

[783] We can't give you all our advice in one episode or you'll never listen again.

[784] Listen, we have a lot more fucking advice.

[785] Look and listen to our advice and take it.

[786] The 70s.

[787] Right.

[788] In case first time travel.

[789] Okay.

[790] So Henley and Brooks.

[791] get life sentences.

[792] They're still alive.

[793] Go back in this 1973 Houston Mass Murders video on YouTube.

[794] They are, the cameras are rolling while they're excavating bodies and Henley is talking.

[795] Henley is telling reporters what happened.

[796] He couldn't stop talking.

[797] It's, I bet.

[798] It's pretty incredible.

[799] There's a part where he calls his mom.

[800] Mama, I killed Dean.

[801] There's a part of him on the phone with his mom.

[802] As like cameras are recording.

[803] Jesus Christ.

[804] Yep.

[805] Well, also because I bet you those kids were in complete trauma mode.

[806] They were, like, in shock for years.

[807] That's over.

[808] I mean, yeah, it's over.

[809] That's crazy.

[810] Okay.

[811] In 2012, a Polaroid of a young boy handcuffed and screaming.

[812] I've seen it.

[813] No. Don't look at those.

[814] I have to.

[815] Don't, I mean.

[816] I have to.

[817] It's my fucking psyche.

[818] Okay, but just don't do that damage to yourself.

[819] I've been nightmaring.

[820] Yeah.

[821] Of course you're not.

[822] It turns up in some of Henley's possessions.

[823] And when presented with the photo, Henley said he didn't recognize the boy, which if it's true, it means there's at least one other victim, a 29th that's yet to be identified.

[824] It's also guessed that there could have been past accomplices who became victims themselves.

[825] That would make sense.

[826] Just as Henley might have as well.

[827] And based on his skill and MO of the first killing, it's very doubtful.

[828] That was actually his first, the kid who was hitchhiking.

[829] And I completely believe it that there's no way.

[830] A reporter named Barbara Gibson and Dr. Sharon Derek, a forensic anthropologist with the medical examiner's office in Houston now are working to identify the three victims that have yet to be named.

[831] These women are fucking awesome.

[832] And then to end it, I just wanted quote, Willie Glass, the brother of Jimmy Glass, who was who disappeared or who was killed, said Dean Coral didn't just kill 27 boys.

[833] he killed 27 families and that's my story of the canyon man Dean Coral and now I don't ever want to think about it again Yeah yeah Until David Fincher Makes the movie The Finch Oh god That movie would be That was great I mean that's That's the best case scenario you can do Of there's some details in that In that digging part That will be with me forever Yeah.

[834] I definitely, I mean, there's some genital mutilation that I didn't talk about.

[835] There's some fucking torture or torture stuff that I just can't.

[836] And also, you know what it is.

[837] If you've seen one thing, if you've accidentally read or seen something that's about this, that's what it is.

[838] You know what it is.

[839] You don't need more of it.

[840] Yeah.

[841] I mean, I understand the thing of like your curiosity gets the best of you, but I stopped doing that a little while ago only because it becomes all the same.

[842] And then you're just basically doing specifics of faces or hair colors or whatever, but it's the same horrible scenario.

[843] Yeah.

[844] I mean, I just, you know, I do the thing where I keep going back to that Polaroid they found and I look deep into this kid's eyes to see what I can suss out of it.

[845] You know what I mean?

[846] And like he looks like he's in a box.

[847] It's a blurry photo and you can see like there's a toolbox next to him.

[848] And I just try.

[849] I keep putting myself in his shoes and I can't do that.

[850] Like, it's, I feel like I have to.

[851] But I mean, what, to what value?

[852] To what end?

[853] So it's just being empathetic of this story that I'm telling.

[854] You can be empathetic and know nothing about it.

[855] I'm empathetic and all I did was listen to what you told me. I mean, it's horrifying.

[856] But that's also, you know, everybody has different experiences with actually looking at the things.

[857] Just don't get confused about what, you know what I mean?

[858] Yeah.

[859] What I need to do.

[860] Do what's good for you.

[861] you.

[862] Nightmares aren't good for you.

[863] Yeah.

[864] That's not the point.

[865] Yeah.

[866] Oh, the candy man. Oh, the candy man. Everyone will suffer under the candy man. Well, mine is, um, uh, this is actually, it's not firsthand.

[867] I guess it's kind of secondhand, but I wanted to do this one for a while.

[868] I just didn't know any details.

[869] And I, when I would look it up, I, it was always very vague.

[870] There wasn't enough story and then one of the shows that is on my DVR that comes up every couple times every once a month maybe it's a show called demons in the city of angels oh have you heard of it no okay so that's where when I did the publicist that got murdered yeah it was from that that's when I first saw that story and I was like oh I remember that well this one is the story I wanted to do and it came up one day where I was like, oh my God, and it's the murder at the silent movie theater.

[871] Do you remember this?

[872] Yeah.

[873] Okay.

[874] on Demons in the City of Angels narrated by an incredibly intense man named A .J. Benza, who I believe himself was a crime reporter or I'm not sure what I don't know that much about him, but I think he has a true crime background, but now he's hosted lots of shows.

[875] I've seen him on other things, but now he narrates this show.

[876] And it's all crimes that happen in LA.

[877] I love it.

[878] I need to watch it.

[879] It's pretty good.

[880] But this one, I was just so happy because it's the detailed versions of this story.

[881] So it's 1997, Los Angeles.

[882] I moved here in 1994.

[883] When did you move here?

[884] 98.

[885] 98.

[886] So this was kind of like one of the first big bad, I mean, I moved here the year of the earthquake and O .J. and riots.

[887] Riots.

[888] All that stuff happened.

[889] Right around the same time as when I moved here.

[890] So this was kind of the next big one.

[891] And there's a silent movie theater on Fairfax at Melrose, just below Melrose.

[892] I'd think it's like two blocks below.

[893] Right now, it's in flux because it is, it was bought by a company called Cine Family that was doing these amazing, their calendar was incredible.

[894] I am a member.

[895] I know tons of people who are members, and they would show amazing.

[896] either new movies or, you know, directors, whole weekends of directors films or all this stuff.

[897] It was this.

[898] It was really a fun, creative place.

[899] And then they very recently, I think it was like three months ago, I got an email saying all films, all like of all of our plans are suspended right now because these huge sexual harassment like accusations came down the pike and they're like, until we know what's going on, we're not doing anything anymore.

[900] With the heads of Sina family.

[901] Yeah.

[902] The people who are running it.

[903] So I don't know details about any of those things and that's not what my story is about.

[904] But it's a bummer because this movie theater has had issues since, I mean like, I'm very interested to know what was there before.

[905] Yeah.

[906] Because it's never not had bad vibes.

[907] It's like something's going on because there's never not something some issue so we'll go to this is the night january 17th 1997 um and this is the anniversary of the sixth year of the reopening of the silent movie theater so um i think i think before this uh it it the movie theater had been built by dorothy and john hampton they bought an empty lot there on fairfax wow and they built the theater from the ground up.

[908] And so this guy, Larry Austin, got a job at the theater when he's 19 years old.

[909] He was a local kid.

[910] He grew up in the Fairfax district, but he was gay.

[911] And in his teens, his father rejected him.

[912] His father basically kicked him out of the house.

[913] And he, the Hamptons basically took him in like family.

[914] So he started working at The Silent Movement.

[915] movie theater in its original form when he was 19 years old.

[916] How cool would that be?

[917] Yeah.

[918] And he was super into, as many people, when you live in Los Angeles, there are a lot of people, it's all about kind of who you know and how connected you are to the movie business or TV, but movies are a little fancier.

[919] And this, I think Larry always wanted to be in show business in some way.

[920] And working at the silent movie theater, he was, you know, he did everything for this family.

[921] from when he was 19.

[922] He was with the Hamptons for 37 years.

[923] Holy shit.

[924] So he really was like a son of theirs until the theater closed in 1979.

[925] And it was basically, it was just kind of a place where people who cared about film and, you know, movie buffs and stuff would go to watch silent films.

[926] But it wasn't like doing, you know, a great business or whatever.

[927] So they ended up having to close.

[928] And then in May of 1990, John Hampton died and after he died Dorothy Hampton was really depressed and Larry Austin convinced her to reopen the theater he thought that would be the perfect thing for her and she agreed and so they decide that they're going to go in the theater was basically kind of left just standing for 10 years with nothing going on in it so they have to hire a contract to come in and basically help them rebuild the theater so they can reopen him.

[929] And the contractor is a guy named James Vancickel.

[930] And as they work on the theater and slowly rebuild it, Larry Austin, who at this point is, I think he is in his early 60s, and Van Sicle, who is in his late 30s, start having an affair.

[931] The contractor and the guy who was family basically like his son.

[932] yes got it exactly okay um the guy whose idea was to be open and with the widow uh dorothy hampton and um so they basically put all of their work and larry lives in the apartment above the movie theater cool i didn't even know there was one i know how awesome don't you love that idea yes like when you go into the theater the popcorn stand is on the right there's a set of stairs um that's over there too right and i think that goes up to the projection booth but i like to picture that that also then you walk past the projecting booth then there's like a little gingham yeah a cot and a kitchen table oh yeah i love it but i don't really know because i haven't been up there but that's what it that's how it is in my mind okay so um so basically on the night of the reopening i'm sorry so six years after the reopening so they reopen it everything goes great dorothy is thrilled and basically they're back in business.

[933] Yay.

[934] And, um, but eventually Dorothy has to get moved into, uh, an old folks home anyway.

[935] Um, so on the sixth anniversary of the reopening of the silent movie theater, um, Larry decides he's going to play the first movie that played there when it originally opened, which is the movie's sunrise.

[936] Um, but there's also a bunch of short films that he's playing and it's kind of just like a big, you know, celebration of the silent movie theater um so this is january 17th 1997 if i haven't already said that 17 times okay so that night there's like 60 people in the theater um which is packed for that if you picture 60 people that's like fucking wall to wall yeah um half an hour into the program and also larry when they reopened it and i don't know if he did this before but he definitely did it on the reopening in 1990 he used to go up and introduce every night every movie everything in a tuxedo oh i love him yeah so this was like his really his life and people really famous people used to go to that theater to watch movies it was kind of like um you know it was like a very hipster thing yeah i'm into movies i'm into fucking silent movies i know the owner he's so cool whatever whatever exactly so larry goes up and he's like tonight it's a buster katen feature whatever and he like basically if you don't know that much about silent film, you were still introduced and kind of brought into that world in this really lovely way.

[937] And he was like he made them special.

[938] Yeah.

[939] You're not just going to see a movie.

[940] It's a production.

[941] Yes.

[942] And it's like old Hollywood.

[943] Yeah.

[944] And that was his whole deal.

[945] The tuxedo is like the crowning glory.

[946] Yeah.

[947] Is that a thing?

[948] He's like a nightly he had a job where you got to wear a tuxedo every night.

[949] Totally.

[950] He was into it.

[951] And and just so you know, after they redid the whole theater, Larry Austin kept James Van Sackle on as his projectionist.

[952] So Van Sickle was interested in films, I think, or at least new enough to become the projectionist.

[953] But basically, this relationship grew up out of them rebuilding the silent movie theater.

[954] And Larry Austin's friend said he was over the moon.

[955] I mean, he fucking gets this hot, young, beefy contractor, man. And they're working on the love of his life, this project, you know, that he's worked on all of his life.

[956] they said he was so thrilled there's a friend of his is in the um demons in the city of angels where he just says like he would look at him like when he talked like he hung the moon i mean he was just completely in love and they lived in the little apartment together over the movie theater and that's the end right and that's all i have to tell you about today they adopted two children from an uh wait really quick yeah um something terrible happens so on this the night of the six years I don't know.

[957] Let's just leave it about it.

[958] It's like me with the story.

[959] Don't tell me. Don't tell me about the crime scene photos.

[960] On the night of the six -year anniversary, Larry goes up tonight.

[961] We're going to watch Sunrise and then all these other short films and da -da -da.

[962] He goes back out into the lobby, into the ticket booth.

[963] And about half an hour into the program, a guy gets up and comes out and says he wants to buy tickets for a future showing.

[964] There's a girl named Mary Giles.

[965] I think her last name is pronounced.

[966] Giles or Giles.

[967] And she's 19 years old.

[968] works at the concession stand and she's like oh you need to talk to larry about buying future tickets and when the door opens to that ticket booth that's in the front of the theater um the guy pulls a gun a 357 magnum out of his pocket and tells larry he wants all the money from the ticket booth so larry gives him all the money he pulls everything out of the cash register and gives it to him and comes out of the booth and with mary uh he hands the money over and the guy with the gun takes the money, drops it, and shoots Larry in the face.

[969] In the face.

[970] In the fucking face.

[971] He shot him once in the face, Larry goes down, and then he turns and shoots him, like, I think, three more times.

[972] Oh, my God.

[973] Just, like, to make sure he's dead.

[974] No. Then he turns to Mary Giles and shoots her twice in the chest.

[975] She's just a fucking girl working at the...

[976] She's just a girl working at the movie theater.

[977] I didn't know that.

[978] Yeah.

[979] The way I pictured it in my head all the time is, like, so much different than it.

[980] actually that it happened in the theater well because also and i didn't know this until the first time i went to the silent movie theater it's a fucking tiny yes there is no it's not like you know your fucking imax theater it's a tiny little space yeah a tiny office in the front yeah so this is all close quarters yes it's very close quarters like it feels almost new york style of course yeah it's a it's a it's a mini like art house movie theater yeah and when you're there like that's where i went to go see um zodontas right when they redid it and it was perfect because you could see it perfectly there was no bad seats and the place was packed so it was like everyone was excited to see that movie it's like a small town movie theater reminds me of exactly one screen that's it yeah anyways he shoots mary he fucking shoots mary also oh honey and then runs out through the movie theater so he has a front door he can run out and be right on fairfax why didn't he do that he ran through the movie theater shot into the air while these people are watching the movie and then runs out the back door where the patio is.

[981] Oh, my God.

[982] So everyone in the theater witnesses this guy with his hood pulled up shooting into the air.

[983] Of course, everyone freaks out.

[984] Yeah.

[985] So, you know, the police come.

[986] Mary gets taken to the hospital and she survives.

[987] Oh, good.

[988] Two to the fucking chest and Mary survives.

[989] Two to the chest?

[990] Two to the chest.

[991] Yes.

[992] Girl.

[993] Okay.

[994] Is she interviewed in the episode?

[995] No. okay um everyone was so freaked out by this i completely remember it happening i remember everybody talking about it and at the time we had just started doing stand -up comedy shows at largo which is five blocks down the street that's so scary yes so one of the first so the guy that owns largo which is now at a different much larger location is a guy named mark flanagan he's the owner operator and he's one of those he's an irishman from belfast he's He's full of shit.

[996] His eyes are dark brown.

[997] He's full of shit.

[998] And he is one of my favorite people on the planet.

[999] He's one of my closest friends.

[1000] And he's the kind of person that starts to talk to you when you very first meet him, like you've already been talking for 20 minutes.

[1001] I love it.

[1002] It's my favorite.

[1003] It's the kind of person that's just like, anyway.

[1004] Yeah.

[1005] And this is one of the first stories he ever told me. What?

[1006] Because after the shooting, they had just opened Largo at that location, which is now, I think it's a bar called the Dimes.

[1007] yeah something like that something like that you're probably right it's and now it's a very hipster area it doesn't look the same at all they like gutted it oh really they redid the whole thing i think oh i haven't been in there i could make that out i don't know um but they had just open largo and they were just starting to get like the music acts every night and stuff and um james van sickle came down and told flanagan what happened like larry got shot he was murdered we don't know what's happening the police are investigating it um the carpenter was telling him this what's that the carpenter was the contractor exactly yeah this planning and telling me telling the story of the guy coming down i don't know why i made him a carpenter but well that's what a contractor is okay he can just do more than carpenter right so he basically comes down and says we want to have um a memorial uh fundraiser um is there any anything you can do to help and flanning's like well you can have it here um so they have a memorial fundraiser for larry austin and for the silent movie theater at largo oh my god in march of 1997 were you there no this was before just say yes we but remember the lies they get found out right right right right because then the seven people from largo are like i was there you weren't there you absolutely weren't there um but he he was like well of course this is these are our neighbors and we want to be good people and we just opened this business like we want to play ball whatever it was flanagan and john brian the the famed musician who also was kind of like had i don't think he was an owner but he was like you know this was his home yeah club and he and he of course wanted to help in any way so i think part of the benefit was john played and they got other musicians to play and they raised a bunch of money and gave it to the silent movie theater um in you know larry austin's name yeah well it turns out the same night that they have this, which was March 12th of 1997, is the same night that the police begin to surveil James Vonsicle because he is the prime suspect in this murder.

[1008] But he doesn't know it and nobody else knows it either.

[1009] But as they were looking into after this crime and they start looking into who's involved in this, James Van Sicle is the one person named, on Larry Austin's will of who the now what also nobody knew was the movie theater the the land and all of the films in inside the whole thing was worth over a million dollars I bet that land man if you own that land oh yeah in L .A in L .A right on Fairfax yeah so holy shit they start looking into James Van Sickles past and his like basically his record and they find out he in 1988 was charged with attempted murder in a Compton case but it was dismissed after the victim failed to appear in court so that just went away that goes away of the victim in 1989 he was sentenced to four years in Orange County for selling drugs transporting and selling narcotics he served half that time at Chino and he also had He had a check fraud charges that were pending.

[1010] So I guess they were still working on that.

[1011] He had several aliases.

[1012] He had multiple California driver's licenses.

[1013] Wow.

[1014] Fraudster.

[1015] Yeah.

[1016] And in 1996, so the year before, Larry Austin had filed a police report accusing Van Sickle of assault and battery.

[1017] Oh, sorry, assault and robbery.

[1018] Wow.

[1019] But he ended up dropping the charges.

[1020] So clearly, this relationship was not as lovey -dovey as everyone thought.

[1021] Yeah, guilty.

[1022] Yeah.

[1023] And there was some serious shit going on.

[1024] Detective John Miller, who worked on the case, said that they then came to understand that they actually had a very on and on -again, off -again relationship.

[1025] And that was stormy.

[1026] And that sometimes Van Sickle went and lived in Carson when he was not living with Larry.

[1027] So it wasn't full -time, like everybody kind of thought.

[1028] Can we stop having on -again -off -again relationships, people?

[1029] Just off -again?

[1030] Just off -it.

[1031] If that's what you're going to.

[1032] Off the relationship.

[1033] Okay, well, Vince and I offed again once and then on -again again.

[1034] Everybody does.

[1035] You're allowed one time.

[1036] Sure.

[1037] Otherwise, your friends are so sick of you talking about it.

[1038] If it's on again off again, it just is, everybody knows it's a dead in the water situation.

[1039] You're just like, you're needy.

[1040] You just can't let it go.

[1041] Okay.

[1042] Advice from Karen and Georgia.

[1043] So, there's so much.

[1044] Don't listen.

[1045] But as they're looking into it, they also find that Larry Austin has a bit of a murky past himself.

[1046] In 1983, he was convicted of one count of grand theft as a result of an embezzlement case at a company that he worked for.

[1047] And he actually served 22 months in state prison.

[1048] And then also, they start to look into his ownership of the theater because, Dorothy Hampton, who owned it, the widow John Hampton, she, being in the convalescent home, they didn't track any money going to her from the theater, even though she was the original owner.

[1049] So they were afraid that they, it looked like he had Dorothy Hampton's blessing and this reopening and basically in the ownership of it, but they didn't have any they didn't have any proof.

[1050] She hadn't signed anything over to him that they could prove.

[1051] So they end up freezing the IRS and the LAPD end up freezing Larry Austin's assets and putting the theater in a conservatorship until they can figure out what's going on because it's not even like, oh, he was killed for the theater because it might not have even been his to give to anybody.

[1052] Definitely.

[1053] So it turns out there's a break in the case, they put a sketch in the newspaper of the guy that held up the place and somebody sees that and comes forward to the police and tells the whole story which is Van Sickle hired this guy who ended up doing the murder and his name was it turns out his name was Christian Rodriguez he was also 19 years old and Van Sickle hired him promised to pay him 25 grand to kill Larry Austin and make it look like a robbery yeah and that's why he also shot mary um giles right because it was like oh what would a robber do in this case so he just fucking took another person out for free well well uh van sickle said he was gonna pay him an extra five grand to kill any to basically to make it look like a robbery and kill anyone else that was there oh that's horrible i'm so glad mary survived yeah it's insane it's so insane it's so fucking crazy so heartless well and what it was was he found out he was named in Larry Austin's will as being the person that was going to inherit everything so he would have but he apparently was in such debt and in like such financial straits he wasn't going to Larry Austin was 74 years old at this time yeah and he couldn't even wait to inherit yeah he's like I want all of it now dude um he was the projectionist the night of the murder he was there he came downstairs.

[1054] He was the one that hit the alarm that got the police there when he went downstairs and found Larry's body.

[1055] That is such a creepy detail.

[1056] Yes.

[1057] So he was there pretending to be all upset and freaked out.

[1058] He told all the friends, the stories and all the friends were like, we thought he was like completely traumatized and that this was just as much of a thing against him.

[1059] Perfect that he was there.

[1060] You know, like, it just seems like he's less, if he wasn't there, I'd be like, where was he?

[1061] But, yeah, anyways.

[1062] It's kind of more proof that he was like right there making sure it all went on.

[1063] So essentially, he didn't pay, afterwards, he didn't pay Christian the money.

[1064] Uh -uh, don't do that.

[1065] Yeah.

[1066] And so that's why that guy, whoever the anonymous person was that came forward was basically someone who knew Christian Rodriguez and was like, he was supposed to pay this money.

[1067] He didn't do it, like, you know.

[1068] Sure.

[1069] So they, when they go find Christian Rodriguez, of course, Rodriguez completely turns on James Van Sickle.

[1070] So in April of 1999, Christian Rodriguez is found guilty of murder and sentenced to life without parole.

[1071] And he was also convicted of the attempted murder of Mary Giles.

[1072] And Van Sickle was also sentenced to life without parole.

[1073] Neither of them got the death penalty.

[1074] and Mary Giles survived and testified against Christian Rodriguez in court.

[1075] She's like, that's the man that shot me two times in the chest.

[1076] Jesus.

[1077] Insanely enough.

[1078] She's a fucking badass.

[1079] Insane.

[1080] So when all that happens, like the cops come to Flanagan and they ended up, the cops talked to them were like, are you in on it?

[1081] No. Because your friend, Flanagan.

[1082] Yes.

[1083] they hide they the cops came almost immediately after the fundraiser because they're like how come you're giving money to this guy yeah and they're like oh we're trying to be good neighbors they're immediately like looped in on it and have to basically go like yeah we don't know and we just thought we'd be nice yeah it does look like they're like yeah let's start a fundraiser it does look like yeah let's get more money for you or whatever kind of in on it i mean they had to prove they weren't yeah they had nothing to do with it and didn't really know the guy which is one of my favorite like when flanning i told me that story i was crying laughing because he's like we're like basically faking it and trying to be nice and like sure of course we care yeah and then immediately they're just like we've just started this business yeah and now we're under investigation yeah for murder yeah now we're in on it love it um one of the saddest things and that the like final thing that i put at the end of this um is in his court file there was a forgery charge that James Van Sickle had, that they had a letter from Larry Austin attached to it that was attesting to James Van Sickle's good character, trying to get him out of the forgery charge.

[1084] Because he loved him.

[1085] Because he really did love him.

[1086] That's so sad.

[1087] It's very sad.

[1088] I want to see photos of them.

[1089] I'll look it up.

[1090] Yeah, you can.

[1091] Me and my photos, man. You just don't use my fucking imagination.

[1092] Yeah.

[1093] Wow.

[1094] That's that.

[1095] That's amazing because I, everyone knows that murder.

[1096] It reminds me of the Zanku chicken murder where it's like there's this like iconic place in LA and it's like here's this fucking insane story behind it.

[1097] Yes.

[1098] And there are people like, there was a guy that was trying to make a documentary about Larry Austin because of it was that kind of those early days of like back when you know, Larry Austin would be like.

[1099] like everyone would know who he is and you'd have a website these days.

[1100] But back then it was like you had to be, that was back in the, you know, I like them first days where everything was word of mouth.

[1101] Yeah.

[1102] If you like something cool, it's because a cool person told you about it.

[1103] The secret underground thing.

[1104] Yeah.

[1105] That you have to stumble upon and know about like comic book shops and all these record stores and.

[1106] Yeah.

[1107] So there's this guy that was, and this is in the episode of Demons and City of Angels.

[1108] There's a guy that was trying to make a documentary about Larry Austin for years and he was a big fan of the silent movie theater.

[1109] This is before.

[1110] He got killed?

[1111] This was before.

[1112] Wow.

[1113] And he would be like, I just want to like follow you around and whatever.

[1114] So this guy was there to attest because he had started this documentary.

[1115] And he was kind of there.

[1116] He knew all the players.

[1117] He like knew everything that was going on.

[1118] That's crazy.

[1119] Yes.

[1120] Yeah.

[1121] And did he ever finish it?

[1122] Because what a fucking crazy finish to it?

[1123] I mean, I don't know.

[1124] I mean, yeah.

[1125] Because now the.

[1126] finishes, oh, that guy got murdered.

[1127] So I don't think, I don't think so.

[1128] Probably not.

[1129] Yeah.

[1130] That's not what he wants.

[1131] That's not the direction he wanted to go.

[1132] I mean, it's so horrifying.

[1133] But, I mean, also, if he did, that would be kind of crazy.

[1134] He could be like, guess what happened?

[1135] Because to me, the creepiest time is after someone gets murdered, and before anybody finds out who did it, there's all these people who are pretending.

[1136] And it's like, this guy, James Van Sickle had to pretend to be the heartbroken, shock traumatized boyfriend for for months like basically up until who for months who can do that yeah those people are scary yeah well if you don't have a conscience then it's easy yeah right yeah anyway well shit that was great thanks thank you for sharing thank you for sharing Karen thank you for listening yeah my pleasure um happy things this week Oh, yes.

[1137] What you got?

[1138] This is super dumb, but I think it's a small, like, there's so many things I want to fix my do to fix my house.

[1139] And most of them are very large.

[1140] And so I do that thing where if I have a bunch of things to do, I don't do anything because it all becomes very overwhelming.

[1141] Oh, my God.

[1142] Yes.

[1143] Right?

[1144] Yes.

[1145] So you're just like.

[1146] So don't do any of it.

[1147] Don't do anything because, oh, it's so hopeless and blah, blah.

[1148] And how do you pick one thing?

[1149] Right.

[1150] Because I'm like, oh, I need to repaint my house.

[1151] I need to fix.

[1152] There's tons of stuff.

[1153] that I need a contractor for it.

[1154] Oh, my God, don't do it.

[1155] But instead, I was getting other shit at Target.

[1156] This is not a commercial.

[1157] But I found a lamp at Target, like just a standing lamp to go into my front room where there's never good light.

[1158] Be careful of light in your house and in your surroundings.

[1159] This is freaking me out.

[1160] Go on.

[1161] Okay.

[1162] Did we get the same lamp?

[1163] A, my thing that made me happy this week was going to Target.

[1164] at 8 a .m. this morning.

[1165] No. Be in my car as a standing lamp.

[1166] No. Is it brass colored?

[1167] Yes.

[1168] Is that a clear shade?

[1169] We got the same way.

[1170] A clear shade?

[1171] No. See through glass shade?

[1172] No, I saw that one though.

[1173] I got the one that looks that looks basically like a desk lamp.

[1174] What the fuck?

[1175] Yes.

[1176] How do we?

[1177] Okay, because well, here's the thing.

[1178] Our periods are synced and our targets are synced and our lamps are synced now.

[1179] Yes.

[1180] This is our new life.

[1181] This is our life.

[1182] Hi.

[1183] You're my husband.

[1184] Hi.

[1185] My wife.

[1186] Um, I was just going to say that little change of just trying to make it look slightly nicer in the room I'm mostly in.

[1187] Yeah.

[1188] It puts me in a great mood.

[1189] And, and because I did that, when I got home from Toronto, I looked at the pile of mail on my counter, which is just, I assume it's supposed to be there.

[1190] And it just like, it gets kind of high.

[1191] And then I go like this and it gets really high again.

[1192] I got rid of all of it.

[1193] Girl, I need to do that.

[1194] Yep.

[1195] And that's how I found that check.

[1196] Remember when I texted me?

[1197] I'm like, hey, I should rip this up, right?

[1198] but I want to double check.

[1199] Because it was like laying on top of that pile.

[1200] What the fuck, man?

[1201] Clear your piles, guys, clear your piles and get like one new thing that's going to make you feel good.

[1202] Light, you see this place at night.

[1203] It's so dim and it presses the shit out of me. Yeah.

[1204] Like, yeah.

[1205] Ooh, let's get that lamp up here.

[1206] Help me carry it.

[1207] Steven, go grab that lamp.

[1208] So wait, so I just stole yours.

[1209] Because that was going to be yours.

[1210] You know what my happy thing is?

[1211] That we just did that.

[1212] that we just did that.

[1213] Samzers.

[1214] That our period sync this week.

[1215] I know that's gross, everyone TMI, but I got so excited and had to text you.

[1216] Is that gross?

[1217] I wrote back, I'm so sorry.

[1218] And then she wrote back the ultimate sign of friendship.

[1219] And I was like, I mean, yay.

[1220] That all that means is like, we're spending quality time together.

[1221] So much time.

[1222] Yes.

[1223] Oh, nice.

[1224] I love it.

[1225] That was great.

[1226] Now I want to set that lamp up right this second.

[1227] Oh, my God.

[1228] Also, don't be afraid to buy like a. 30 watt light bulb.

[1229] Because everything's 60 and it's too bright.

[1230] Okay, I got it, got it, got it.

[1231] Look how many, I have 18 vintage lamps in here and they're all dim.

[1232] Yeah.

[1233] Well, also because they're cute, the shades dark in it.

[1234] They're like those huge shades that your grandma had.

[1235] Yeah, that's what I have to.

[1236] Cool.

[1237] We've done it.

[1238] We did it, we done it.

[1239] We've done it again.

[1240] We've done it again.

[1241] Thanks for listening, everybody.

[1242] Thank you guys for listening.

[1243] You're all fucking angel babies.

[1244] We couldn't do it without you.

[1245] We're only doing it for you.

[1246] Yeah, there's nothing without you.

[1247] This is all for you.

[1248] We're nothing without you.

[1249] It's all for you.

[1250] And stay sexy.

[1251] And don't get murdered.

[1252] Bye.

[1253] Elvis.

[1254] Hold on.

[1255] Give him a second.

[1256] A cookie?

[1257] Here he comes.

[1258] There he is.

[1259] Look all sleeping.

[1260] What do you think of sleepy?

[1261] Elvis, want a cookie?

[1262] Want a cookie?

[1263] I like the first quiet one.