#1522 - Rob Lowe

[0] Oh, Roblo, here we go.

[1] Here we are.

[2] What's up, man?

[3] It's good to be, I was just saying it's good to be in like a proper studio.

[4] Have you been completely locked down the entire time?

[5] Completely.

[6] It's outrageous.

[7] We're five months in now.

[8] Who would have ever thought this?

[9] And if you just said this is what 2020 is going to have, I mean, you wouldn't have left the New Year's party.

[10] You would have never believed it.

[11] How does this happen?

[12] Like, is there a war?

[13] Like, what happens?

[14] What takes place?

[15] And it's funny how easily, not easily, but like, it's just, yeah, no, this is what we're dealing with.

[16] I mean, I guess everyone has to adapt.

[17] So that's the good news.

[18] Have you been going to restaurants at all?

[19] I've been to probably, I've gone out to a restaurant maybe three times.

[20] Have you gone to the ones where they wear the mask and then the shield over their face as well?

[21] Yeah, it's like I've got to do welding in the kitchen.

[22] It's so strange.

[23] But it's better than nothing.

[24] So you just sort of adapt.

[25] I know.

[26] I mean, who knows when it'll.

[27] I mean, at least some people feel like they're going back to work.

[28] I mean, I think we're going to go back on my show on 911 Lone Star pre -production on the 17th.

[29] Now, how will they do that?

[30] Well, that's the thing is that's a big show.

[31] I mean, it's not, you know, a game show.

[32] It's like, you know, it's adventures and rescues and pyrotechnics and stunt people.

[33] It's just huge in scope.

[34] So it really is the thing.

[35] If we can pull that off, that'll be good.

[36] But I think the plan is, well, one thing that's interesting is just how you run a set is going to change, they tell me. So you'll come in in the morning, everybody will get tested, and then everybody's segregated.

[37] So you go to the set and the director and the actors will rehearse.

[38] That's it.

[39] Nobody else there.

[40] Then they leave, have to leave.

[41] And then the lighting crew will come in and they light alone, just the lighting crew.

[42] And then they leave.

[43] and then the sort of, you know, all the production teams get their moment to do what they need to do, but they're doing it alone.

[44] Well, they have a test now that the White House is using, and it takes 20 minutes.

[45] It's an actual test.

[46] You go there, so you could find instantaneously.

[47] See, we're doing one here.

[48] The one that you got is an antibody test.

[49] That takes 10 minutes, and it shows active antibodies, which means you got the disease five, six days ago or whatever, and your body's fighting it off.

[50] It's currently in your system, and it also shows another indicator whether or not you fought it off a long time ago.

[51] And then there's the swab.

[52] The swab takes 24 to 48 hours, depending on the lab, and then there's real worry and concern, like, are you contagious during that time?

[53] Like, if you just got it today, can you give it to someone today?

[54] They don't know.

[55] So until this thing happens with the White House, the 20 minute one that they have, until that's like nationwide, we're fucked.

[56] You know, we're kind of, we're in a weird situation where everybody has to be really careful.

[57] Yeah.

[58] And, you know, it's funny.

[59] I, it's funny, I have no issue wearing masks.

[60] I don't really get that, that thing that people.

[61] I mean, I get the free, the freedom.

[62] It's definitely better than not going out.

[63] Yeah.

[64] And listen, I mean, I feel way safer where.

[65] it waysaver and you know celebrities should be thrilled to wear masks yeah right i mean you know listen now leonardo decaprio can go out completely you know with even better disguises you'd be amazed at how much people recognize you though even with a mask on especially as soon as you start talking they'll they'll recognize you in particular for you your voice everybody knows your voice so you can't get in an hell of you know but i'm a fan of the bandana i like feeling like a bandit but doesn't all the bad shit come underneath the bandana i don't think you're to be sealed at the bottom a bandana i do not think is for you i think it's for other people and then the droplets if you're getting droplets i don't think you're swooping them under i think you are breathing it through what am i a doctor i know you're sounding good you're like you know you're you're the fouchy of uh of the ring thank you um the fouchy of the octagon i don't have one of those n95 mast though i have hundreds of them do you hundreds are they The best?

[66] You know, I'll tell you what, they're the hardest to breathe in.

[67] Like, they are the ones that when you put on your, you definitely notice that you're sucking wind.

[68] But, yeah, my wife was all over.

[69] Like, if there's anything to be bought on Amazon at any time for any excuse, she's the fucking maven.

[70] So the minute this happens, she's bought every M95 mask to stockpile.

[71] One click is very addictive.

[72] It is.

[73] It's like, maybe I do need 50 boxes of toothpaste.

[74] It's right there.

[75] It's right there.

[76] Why wouldn't I do it?

[77] I'll find a place to put it.

[78] I'll take that.

[79] So when your show comes back, people will still be allowed to go home, though, and go places.

[80] Yeah, I haven't heard any talk of, you know, sort of quarantining or 14 days.

[81] I haven't heard any of that stuff, although I have friends who have gone to Europe to do big movies, and they've had to do that.

[82] Yeah, I've heard that.

[83] Like, they keep you in a hotel.

[84] You can't leave the hotel.

[85] You know, everybody who works in the thing has to only hang out with everybody that's on the project.

[86] Here's what I don't understand.

[87] So the NBA is doing the bubble thing, right, where they all live like in like a commune, right?

[88] A glorified, you know, Disney -esque commune.

[89] Right.

[90] But the NFL isn't going to do it, apparently.

[91] Yeah, it's too hard to get the hose in there.

[92] I was thinking, you know, chicken wing.

[93] It's hard to get you, when you want those chicken wings and you've got to go out to get them.

[94] Yes.

[95] When are you going to do?

[96] Yeah, you could have, whatever you.

[97] want if you need something.

[98] What you're going to do?

[99] Are you a fan of the baseball with the crowd noise, piped in crowd noise?

[100] No, I'm not a fan of fake noise.

[101] I hate that some cars do that.

[102] You know, some cars with turbo charge engines, they put fake engine noise through the speakers.

[103] Oh, Jesus.

[104] I never knew that.

[105] All my illusions are shattered.

[106] I think BMW does it.

[107] What?

[108] Yeah.

[109] I'm sorry to say.

[110] No. Yeah.

[111] Are the speakers on the outside of the car?

[112] Are they on the inside?

[113] It's through the stereo speakers.

[114] Even if the speaker's turned off?

[115] Yeah, it's an option that you have to turn off.

[116] You have to go into the settings and turn off.

[117] See if you can find that.

[118] Oh, no. I have a BMW.

[119] It's outside.

[120] It's like it's enhanced sound.

[121] Maybe it's not for your model.

[122] I'm pretty sure they do it for the M4, though.

[123] Yeah, it's one of the primary complaints of legitimate automo.

[124] journalists, the real automobile enthusiasts hate it.

[125] Of course they fucking hate it.

[126] This is like you told me that Santa Claus doesn't exist.

[127] It's not necessary either.

[128] Like, I have a Tesla and it doesn't make any sound.

[129] It's still awesome.

[130] Oh, that thing is.

[131] That is, the only problem with the Tesla is I feel like I'm every television development executive.

[132] Right.

[133] When I, when I, you know what I mean?

[134] It's the, it's like what the Armani suit was in the 80s.

[135] Yeah.

[136] It means I'm in show business.

[137] Yeah.

[138] It's definitely a signal.

[139] You're letting everybody know you're also really concerned about the environment.

[140] You're a really good person.

[141] But the other side of is you also have one of the most badass pieces of equipment.

[142] Would it kill them, though, to do a luxurious interior?

[143] Would it kill them?

[144] Is that about weight?

[145] What is that about?

[146] That's a good question.

[147] I think it's just, first of all, it's an American -made company.

[148] Everything's made here.

[149] And I think that scaling everything up has been a real problem.

[150] It's been a real problem meeting the demand, and I think they just kind of came out with like a reasonable interior and put it together.

[151] But there's a company called, what is that company called?

[152] Again, they make a car called the Apex.

[153] They essentially, they're right next to the Tesla factory, and they'll, in California, and they'll take your Tesla, they bring it over there, and they soup it up.

[154] They put a wider track, they widen the fenders, they put better suspension, That's it right there.

[155] S. Apex.

[156] So they take it and they completely redo the interior.

[157] Yeah, dope.

[158] Carbon fiber.

[159] What?

[160] Oh, okay, there's an interior?

[161] That's a car interior.

[162] Yes, yes.

[163] I love that you love cars.

[164] It's one of my favorite subjects.

[165] I mean, I love them and I know nothing about them.

[166] It's like I also kind of like watches, but I don't know any, like, I just know what I like.

[167] Like the movements and all that shit.

[168] Those dorks.

[169] Is it the H -6 -5 movement?

[170] Yes.

[171] Is the bezel?

[172] infused with whatever the fuck.

[173] Apparently I'm thrilled I know the word bezel.

[174] What's the name of the company again?

[175] Unplugged performance.

[176] So they'll do anything in the interior you want.

[177] You know, they'll do like diamond -stitched leather.

[178] They'll do carbon fiber.

[179] They'll replace all the plastic with carbon fiber.

[180] You're a car guy.

[181] I was impressed with the car collection.

[182] A lot of cars.

[183] Were you ever tempted to get one of those tricked out escalates?

[184] The factory's right around the corner from here where the escalades was like a living room.

[185] Like I went in there and saw the one they were making for, uh, Tom Brady, and it was, it's like the interior of a, of a private plane, but in an escalate.

[186] Oh, okay.

[187] So they do, like, gut it and then just redo it like some very swank interior.

[188] Yeah, it's like a living room.

[189] It's literally a living room.

[190] What I've been looking at lately is Earth Roamer's.

[191] Do you know what an Earth Roamer is?

[192] An Earth Romer.

[193] Yes.

[194] I have been, uh, I've been an apocalypse guy for quite a while.

[195] Oh, so you're in your, all your glory.

[196] I have a, sure, I told you so a moment.

[197] Well, not.

[198] Not necessarily, I'm not like a prepper or anything like that, but I'm like, if the shit is the fan.

[199] What's the difference between a prepper?

[200] I don't have enough food.

[201] Okay.

[202] I do, I have a free, I have freezers filled with elk meat and stuff like that.

[203] So I kind of have enough food, but if the power goes out, I'm kind of fucked.

[204] That's an earth romer.

[205] Those motherfuckers you can live in and they can drive like a thousand miles plus.

[206] Why?

[207] Look at that.

[208] And they do the interior.

[209] Well, there's different scales, but some of them go up to like $1 .5 million.

[210] dollars and the interior is insanity.

[211] An earth roamer.

[212] Yes.

[213] Earth roamer.

[214] I'm taking notes.

[215] I'm literally taking notes.

[216] You can go anywhere with these.

[217] They also have an air suspension that will automatically level your vehicle.

[218] So like say if you're on some fucked up like kind of terrain that's not level, it'll level it out so you can sleep well.

[219] The interior is like the interior of a really nice tour bus, televisions, satellites.

[220] radio, audio, Who makes, I mean, it's companies.

[221] It's literally just Earth Romer.

[222] They make the whole thing.

[223] They start, the base is a very large Ford pickup truck.

[224] They take like a huge diesel pickup truck and then they put this insane cabin in the back of it and there's a bunch of different levels that they do it.

[225] You know, you have like a reasonable level of like one person to like camping and then you could literally bring your whole family and you're living like you're in a private jet.

[226] Wow.

[227] And it can drive over everything.

[228] That's the other thing.

[229] It's like a legitimate off -road vehicle.

[230] You can go over a fucking mountain in that thing.

[231] Well, you know, in Santa Barbara, where I live, we had these terrible fires and floods.

[232] Mudslides, too.

[233] Yeah, the mudslides killed 23 people.

[234] I knew someone who died.

[235] I mean, yeah.

[236] Yeah, as did I. Crazy.

[237] She's in her house.

[238] Yeah, these people, see, imagine you go to sleep at night.

[239] You know that there's going to be rain, whatever, and you go to sleep at night, and next thing you know, your house is obliterated.

[240] Yeah, instantly.

[241] The sheriffs came to us to tell us about different evacuation zones.

[242] And I said, and I know all of these guys really well.

[243] So just level with me. What's like the worst thing that's going to happen?

[244] Like the absolute doomsday scenario you guys were worried about.

[245] And they're like, well, we're worried about the entire mountain going all the way of the freeway.

[246] I went, great.

[247] Thanks for sharing.

[248] We're going to be fine.

[249] And that's exactly what happened.

[250] And what it taught me was you truly cannot comprehend like the power of nature.

[251] Like when people used to say California could fall off into the ocean, you go, that's not good.

[252] I'm telling you, it could.

[253] We could wake up one day and be, you know, Lincoln Boulevard in Santa Monica?

[254] Yeah, that's the ocean now.

[255] You'd be like, oh, bullshit.

[256] That's nothing.

[257] I'm telling you, based on what I lived through, the mind, like, it's an intersection I drive by every day.

[258] But every day, if you said, okay, tomorrow night at midnight, there's going to be a 45 -foot wall right here of debris, of homes, of boulders, the size of a semi -truck cab.

[259] You'd be like, bullshit, that's fucking, from where?

[260] Where are the boulders coming from?

[261] Where's all kind of?

[262] That's what happened.

[263] You can't imagine it.

[264] Now, were you in your house when that happened?

[265] I was in Vegas with my wife.

[266] My son, Matthew, was home.

[267] Whoa.

[268] He thought he heard the most radical thunder he'd ever heard in his life.

[269] How old was your son?

[270] He was 22 at the time.

[271] And he's like a prepping, like he's an outdoorsman.

[272] So if there was any one of the family to be home, it would have been Matthew.

[273] That's what I would have wanted there.

[274] And also he thought it was daylight.

[275] He woke up and thought it was already he'd overslept because the fires from all of the propane explosions had lit the sky up so it looked like daylight.

[276] Whoa.

[277] And then he called me and I got on the, the scanner, the police scanner and the stuff that you could hear was just, it was just unbelievable.

[278] I mean, it was a pandemonium.

[279] Yeah, that's a, it's such a beautiful area, Santa Barbara and Montecito.

[280] It's so gorgeous because of those mountains, but that's also what makes it vulnerable if there's a fire, right?

[281] Yeah.

[282] All the stuff that kind of holds the mountain together and keeps the erosion from happening all gets burnt up and then a strong rain.

[283] That was the problem.

[284] That was the problem.

[285] We had a once in at least a hundred year fire, the area behind our house hadn't burned in over 100 years.

[286] And a once in probably maybe they think a thousand year rain event all within six weeks of each other.

[287] So one of the things that was fascinating to me was the amount of ash, because I went on a hike afterwards and there was six, at least six inches of ash.

[288] You know, like when you see the astronauts' footprints on the moon, that's what it looked like all up, all as far as you could see in the mountains around Santa Barbara.

[289] And then when we got that rain with the ash, it created like a viscous lubricant that just pried these boulders out.

[290] Oh, wow.

[291] So that's one of the reasons why these massive, massive.

[292] massive boulders that you would think would be soldered into the earth's core, which is like boop, and just washed out.

[293] It's so hard to imagine because, like, if you drive up the 101 and you see those beautiful hills, you just see beautiful hills.

[294] But what that is is evidence that the earth is moving.

[295] That's what those hills are.

[296] You're safer in Kansas, but then again, you're not because then there's tornadoes.

[297] There's no free lunch, man. Oh, look at this.

[298] Yeah, I know that house.

[299] yeah it's it's crazy when you see that like six feet of mud literally poured into people's homes so just like the people that were on the bottom floor of the house were just destroyed immediately yeah i mean you just how many people died in this 23 what a crazy way to go too yeah i mean in this in the stories you know everybody's story is more tragic than look at that well one thing that this pandemic taught a lot of people is that what you think of as being static and unchanging that the world that we live in is basically pretty stable.

[300] It's not a small event, and it's not small, but a virus that kills less than 1 % of the population can completely obliterate the world as you know it.

[301] And that's minor in comparison to a solar flare or an asteroid impact or a super volcano.

[302] Like if Yellowstone goes, that's the real concern.

[303] And that's another thing I used to like, ah, that's, yeah, that's my, that's the stuff I watch at night by the fireplace.

[304] It's my ancient alien shit.

[305] That's not really happening.

[306] And now, based in what I've, I've experienced, anything could happen.

[307] Well, Yellowstone definitely could go.

[308] They say it goes every six to 800 ,000 years.

[309] And the last time it went was more than 600 ,000 years ago.

[310] Can you imagine?

[311] They would obliterate everybody in the continent.

[312] There'd be no one left.

[313] The people in, like, like maybe Africa, some in New Zealand.

[314] Some people would survive, but they would experience nuclear winter.

[315] So crops would die off.

[316] The temperature would radically reduce.

[317] The entire sky would be filled with ash.

[318] It's a super volcano.

[319] You know, those Caldera super volcanoes, they've exploded throughout history and killed massive, massive numbers of human beings.

[320] Like, they think that there was one in Indonesia, somewhere around 60 to 70 ,000 years ago that killed off most of the population of the world.

[321] and left as few as 7 ,000 human beings.

[322] Really?

[323] Yeah.

[324] That's just 70 ,000 years ago.

[325] Well, you've had, like, Graham Hitchcock and people on it, Hancock, right?

[326] And Randall Carlson.

[327] And that, is that part of that narrative, too?

[328] Well, you know, they've concentrated on asteroid impacts, and particularly the asteroid impacts that are proven now that they believe ended the Ice Age.

[329] And they also believe restarted civilization because they think that there was some incredibly complex civilizations that we're not totally aware of, other than some of the structures they left behind, like Gobeckley -Tepi and some of the ancient Egyptian structures.

[330] But there's a clear indication that something happened both from an archaeological perspective and also from a geologist's perspective when they do these core samples, they find that somewhere around between, you know, somewhere in the 12 ,000 years ago range, there was a massive impact because in all over the world because they find this triton tritonite which is this nuclear glass everywhere they also find eridium which is really common in space but not not very common on earth and it's a level they see in this yeah it's a core samples it's a very it's a very consistent level and they find that nuclear glass that's the same glass like when the trinity project when they first blew up the first nuclear bomb that's the first one of the things that they found was this nuclear glass and it's just this incredible force causes the sand to turn into glass and they find this all over the world at around 12 ,000 years so it's and there's also there's you know there's a lot of awareness today of all the near -Earth objects and when earth in its orbit comes in contact with these consistent near -Earth objects and that something probably hit earth in multiple places, like more than one object, somewhere in that range, and ended the ice age.

[331] They think it happened twice.

[332] The speculation has it happened somewhere around 12 ,000 and maybe again, somewhere around 10 ,000 years ago.

[333] It's crazy.

[334] It is crazy.

[335] I love all that stuff.

[336] I live for that shit.

[337] I love it too.

[338] I'd live for it, but I don't.

[339] Because I don't want it to happen again.

[340] No. So it's like I get excited, but then I don't ever...

[341] The worst is if I listen to Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson, and then I smoke pot and go to sleep.

[342] Oh, then the head.

[343] You should record those dreams.

[344] Oh, yeah, if you could.

[345] You should write them as teleplays.

[346] Yeah, that's terrifying.

[347] It's just, we're so vulnerable.

[348] I mean, we're vulnerable, period, right?

[349] I mean, I'm 52.

[350] How old do you know?

[351] 56?

[352] You'll look great.

[353] Thank you.

[354] You too, sir.

[355] You look great.

[356] But we're almost dead.

[357] Let's be honest.

[358] I mean, how much time we got left?

[359] If everything goes great.

[360] No, no, we're going to live forever.

[361] We're going to have that pill that they're going to, it's going to be announced.

[362] next week that might be the worst thing that could happen like you might want to go you know quietly in your sleep rather than live for 500 years and see the the horrors the humanity turns into that too and i don't want to like if my body breaks down i'm not i'm so physical i love i love doing my stuff i i don't think i'd be one of those people like you know what his mind is so sharp though it's like well fuck that's great meanwhile like i can't fucking walk yeah you can't you know it's like i want to be able to do my my thing Yes.

[363] Listen, I want a sharp mind.

[364] Let's, for sure.

[365] Stipulate that.

[366] But what do you do to maintain yourself?

[367] What do you do to keep the machine working?

[368] Well, the number one thing was, you know, I stopped drinking years and years and years ago.

[369] How many years?

[370] 30.

[371] Oh, so you got way ahead of the game.

[372] I'm way ahead.

[373] I'm way ahead.

[374] So I don't do any of that.

[375] Wow, that's a lot of discipline.

[376] But it's not, though, because the minute you realize your discipline has nothing to do with it.

[377] That's the only way you can do it.

[378] Oh, okay.

[379] Because the whole point is, like, I can't, if I had, if I had one, let's say you broke out that, because I was like beer.

[380] Beer was good.

[381] Well, there it is.

[382] What you got there?

[383] Whiskey was never my thing.

[384] I'd be okay.

[385] If it were tequila, that'd be a different thing.

[386] If you, if you, if you, and also it was the 80s.

[387] So if you had a kamikaze, remember those drinks?

[388] Oh, yeah, I do remember those.

[389] Yeah.

[390] Like, it would, it would go.

[391] Then I'd be like, you know what?

[392] It would be really good to get.

[393] It would be some Coke.

[394] That would be great.

[395] to balance it out.

[396] Yeah, you just to balance out.

[397] And, you know, that's a big deal.

[398] It's a big deal.

[399] And it's good for you.

[400] If you get the rock star Coke, that stuff's not even bad for you.

[401] But that's what I'm saying.

[402] It's not even bad for you.

[403] Mick Jagger does it, okay?

[404] Look at Keyes Richards.

[405] He's fine.

[406] Keith Richards.

[407] Look at Jack Nicholson.

[408] Look at, I mean, look at they're doing great.

[409] They're the biggest stars in the world.

[410] Jack Nicholson is fat, too.

[411] How bad could it be?

[412] How bad could it be?

[413] It's good for your memory.

[414] Probably.

[415] And it's really good if you want to talk a lot.

[416] And successful people do it.

[417] A lot of successful people.

[418] do it and it's not addicting oh no they just enjoy it yes so that was that was what we thought you know that's what you know that's just the gordon gecko era and then and then the hounds of hell will be released once i got that good little concoction going that good little mixie mixer son well it had to be hard to be a young really famous really good looking guy during the age of no internet and you know the world was a wild place i mean you were really famous in the 80s i wouldn't i wouldn't trade it for anything i mean you know all of it look all the mistakes that i made all the things that i learned got me to where i am today and and i could not be happier and i needed i needed some fucking comeuppance and i needed some of that humbling and stuff on the other side of it is like what's the point of being fucking famous today really i don't know if there's a point dangerous.

[419] I know, right?

[420] I don't know.

[421] I mean, forget the lack of privacy, the lack of like crazy fun, which you can't have.

[422] Right.

[423] Everybody's lying in wait.

[424] I saw an article written about Leonardo DiCaprio, and it was just about how he dates young girls and how gross it is that he's dating and grows 25.

[425] Like, 25's a woman, you fuck.

[426] What is wrong?

[427] He's a good looking man. He's wealthy and happy and successful.

[428] Oh, my God, he dates someone who's young and vibrant.

[429] There must be something wrong with him.

[430] Meanwhile, if a woman does it, nobody gives a shit.

[431] They celebrate her.

[432] You go, Kate Beckinsdale.

[433] You go take those 21 -year -olds down.

[434] That's right.

[435] Rope them, wrangle them, ride them.

[436] And then send them off.

[437] Kick them in the ass and pack their lunch and send them off.

[438] It should be equal opportunity everywhere.

[439] That's not, though.

[440] When it's a woman, they look at it like she's just doing her thing.

[441] She's having a good time.

[442] But a man, it's like, he's abusing his power that Leonardo has power over those young ladies.

[443] I figure, like, if you're, if you're, you know, Leo or Bieber or any of those, like, young, like, you know, like, this is like what you're part of the coming of age.

[444] Yes.

[445] Figuring is figuring out what you want in life.

[446] And, you know, when you do that, you're going to do weird shit, good shit, bad shit.

[447] Well, that's, you know, whenever, everybody would, if anybody would try to judge someone like that, like Bieber in particular, right?

[448] because he was really, really young when he got famous.

[449] I mean, it's insane.

[450] And you know that whole thing, that theory that whatever, however old you are when you get famous, that like freezes you in carbonite emotionally and intellectually.

[451] Well, that makes sense with child stars, right?

[452] Anybody.

[453] I mean, yes, but anyway, it's also that thing of like, if you ever notice that before like you get famous, the people who were famous to you then, fast forward a hundred years or whatever and like maybe they haven't done as much and you have but when you meet them you think they're the most famous crazy successful person it's the same it's the same type of thing if i were to meet you know dr smith from lost in space i'd be like no fucking way doctors do you know what i mean so it's it's funny how time i met lee majors i was that's what i'm saying i was like it's a six million dollar man i can't believe it he's real right Yeah.

[454] Cheech and Chong when I met those guys.

[455] I was like, I can't believe they're real.

[456] I can't believe I'm meeting them.

[457] You get frozen in your own perspective.

[458] Well, when you get older and you become famous, very few people can have this conversation, right?

[459] But when you get famous and you meet famous people, to me it's still weird.

[460] Like when I met you today, I was like, hello, Roblo.

[461] I've seen you in movies, but I'm more normal with it than when I was young.

[462] When I was young and I would meet, like I remember the first time I was on the set of news, radio and I met Phil Hartman I was so weirded out and I was like he's right there this is great because I hadn't met a lot of famous people back then only like a small handful and so to be like working with him and sit and he's sitting there I'm like I've seen you on TV by the way how great was Phil he was amazing he was I had my scariest one of my scariest professional moments involved Phil Hartman I was I was hosting the show on Saturday Live and fill in it fill out a character called Mace that he did reoccurring character, and Mace was a hard -bitten convict, and he lived in it, obviously, he was serving life.

[463] And so whenever they had, like, you know, pretty boy hosts, they would throw, of course, me into a cell with Mace, hey, turn around their chicken legs.

[464] You know, so that was like the predicate of the, and I just remember, apropos of nothing, it was the week that the Lombada dance was a big deal.

[465] Oh, Jesus.

[466] That tells you how long ago it was.

[467] I forgot about that.

[468] Yeah, so Mace and I were doing the Lombada.

[469] and a prison cell.

[470] And the whole sketch built towards a punch line.

[471] And for whatever reason, I blew the setup line.

[472] Like, blue, blew it.

[473] Like, there's no, there's now no end.

[474] Oh, look at, there we go.

[475] Look at him.

[476] Hey, look at you, chicken legs.

[477] And so there was no, so I had to ad lib.

[478] something really, really, really quickly.

[479] It felt like time stretched out and his eyes got huge and I ad libbed something and it worked and it got a really big laugh and I think that that's when what sort of sealed my relationship with Lauren Michaels because I was able to, I came back backstage and was like, hmm, you're really Houdini, aren't you?

[480] That's got to be terrifying to do that show, to do it live.

[481] It's the best.

[482] If I could have been not ready for primetime play.

[483] I mean, that would have been the dream.

[484] I think that's the dream.

[485] How much preparation do you have to do for that show?

[486] Like, how many times do you rehearse one of those sketches?

[487] Well, what people don't really realize about being a host is it's the host show.

[488] Like, you can take as much control over it as you want.

[489] And most people don't.

[490] I, just being stupid and naive did and always did and sat in on the writers all night, write all night with all the different writers going from room to room.

[491] It was like, fucking heaven.

[492] But I was an S &L nerd.

[493] so it was like um that's cool and then and then you do the the dress rehearsal of course right before air and it's a full show it's exactly the same show full audience it's the whole thing and then they cut things or not one of my favorite things that got cut and um will feral and i played um oncologists who would deliver the bad news that people had stage four cancer but only with our mouths full of food So he'd be like, that was, that was, it was, yeah, he'd be like, oh, yeah, I'm sorry, eating chili.

[494] Woo, who is this hot.

[495] It's burning the roof of my mouth.

[496] Sorry, so sorry.

[497] Um, you have stage four cancer.

[498] Oh, ow.

[499] So hot and spicy.

[500] That was the, that was the total predicate of, of the sketch.

[501] That is a weird sketch.

[502] It was like so weird and so dark.

[503] Who pitched that one?

[504] And it made it to air.

[505] I mean, to dress.

[506] Wow.

[507] Really crazy.

[508] It must have been a rough week.

[509] It's a rough week.

[510] I don't think cancer's funny.

[511] I guess you've got a point there Phil hated the competitive aspect of the show because he said that people were just mean to each other that's one of the things that he enjoyed about sitcoms is that everybody was kind of working together he said one of the things about when you do SNL everyone's battling to get their sketch on so they would sort of sabotage each other and there was a lot of like backstabby shit going on and he didn't like it and he was really hesitant like to be friendly with people on the set like when he first got on the sitcom it took a while for him to loosen up and realizes oh this is a different thing because that that environment was every man for himself yeah it's it's funny ensembles are funny that way like there is a an element of teamwork it's like any team there's an element of teamwork that's intrinsic and you want and it's great and hopefully it's there but then there's that that element of of you know competitiveness even with your your sort of band of brothers, but, you know, that gets toxic in a hurry with the right, with, with, with the wrong culture and, and maybe the wrong people in it.

[512] But SNL, it's like, it is what it is.

[513] There's only so many slots for sketches and there are only so many people writing.

[514] And the best is when people try to tank them in the read through.

[515] Like, you read all of them on Wednesday, a big, huge stack of them.

[516] And people will, like, laugh really, really hard at their own stuff or, like, roll their eyes.

[517] it's fun to watch.

[518] Yeah, that's basically what he's talking about.

[519] That always made me really uncomfortable, the fake producer laugh.

[520] Oh.

[521] Like when you'd be doing like the third run -through and like, ha -ha -ha -ha -ha -ha -ha -ha -ha.

[522] Like, ugh, you're dead.

[523] But people don't even know what we're talking about.

[524] So, like, when you do a table read or you do a run -thru.

[525] We've done the most unrelatable podcast ever just now.

[526] It's been great.

[527] It's been famous and young and good -looking.

[528] Oh, everybody knows.

[529] And Doomsday Prepping and Earth -Romers.

[530] It costs a million bucks.

[531] Yes, this is great.

[532] You know, there's nobody quite like a man of the people, Joe Rogan and Rodelow podcast.

[533] Let's face it.

[534] When you do a run -through, folks, if you do a sitcom, you act out the show, and they want the actors to feel like what they're doing is funny.

[535] Because there's nothing weirder than doing something with no audience and not hearing any laughter at all.

[536] So the producers would laugh, but they would do this fake laugh, and it would throw you off so hard because it's like all you could do, it's jarring.

[537] You're like, oh, it's just so phony.

[538] It's, I, um, I did a sitcom when I was little, like, I was 15.

[539] It was, it was, um, it was so long ago that there were only 62 shows on television, period.

[540] Holy shit.

[541] That was that.

[542] So this is like pretty fox.

[543] Not 62 channels.

[544] 62 shows.

[545] 62 shows.

[546] By the way, how do you think I remember that there were six?

[547] Because we were number 62.

[548] We were, we were literally.

[549] the lowest rated show on television.

[550] What was it called?

[551] A new kind of family.

[552] Might add something to do with that exciting title.

[553] That makes you just sit, I just sit up and take notice, don't you?

[554] A new kind, what kind of family is it?

[555] It's a new kind.

[556] Oh, well, I'm going to watch then.

[557] What did they mean by a new kind?

[558] It was a revolutionary concept at the time that it was two divorced women pooling their resources.

[559] There you go.

[560] Look at you.

[561] And I, I'm sprouted.

[562] a wonderful Karen Carpenter.

[563] Look at that hair, bro.

[564] Karen Carpenter.

[565] Look at the wings.

[566] I know.

[567] Was this your first acting project on television?

[568] Yeah, I was 15.

[569] Wow.

[570] So you never had a normal life?

[571] Not really.

[572] So, so, so the new, new kind of family's bad.

[573] It was bad.

[574] And it was opposite 60 minutes, which was the number one show.

[575] And by the way, it was so horrible.

[576] horribly rated, we would get 19 million people watching.

[577] That's crazy.

[578] And it was a disaster.

[579] Isn't that crazy?

[580] Isn't that insane.

[581] Wow.

[582] That's amazing.

[583] 19 million.

[584] That would be the number one show on television today.

[585] Oh, there's nothing that even comes close.

[586] That's so crazy.

[587] Isn't that amazing?

[588] That was a huge disaster.

[589] 19 million people.

[590] Wow.

[591] I'm the king of the new normal.

[592] Like, I'm on shows that get bad ratings.

[593] that then become the new normal like like they they should I can't believe it it just in like I'm just right there at those thresholds year in and year out you could say that to someone and not say what ranking it was and say when I was 15 I was on a show that had 19 million people watching it they'd be like holy shit what was it I know that's the biggest show ever yeah it's like a number one show today like what is the top show is like modern family is that number one like what's the number one sitcom today Yeah, it would have been, well, Big Bang has been off for, what, a year or two years?

[594] It would definitely be Big Bang, and they'd get like, I think, $8 million, I think, was what it was.

[595] It's shocking, though.

[596] Well, some are on Netflix are popping up now.

[597] Right, that's the problem.

[598] Netflix won't tell you shit.

[599] They don't tell you nothing.

[600] They say, well, you're doing great.

[601] Yeah, or they don't tell you.

[602] They don't tell you.

[603] Yeah, and then they cancel you.

[604] Yeah.

[605] If they like you, they say, we're really happy.

[606] Like, what does that mean?

[607] We're really, really happy.

[608] we're really happy and like how happy yeah no one knows really happy it's a lot of guesswork involved that's insane though that's so many people and it was the last rated show crazy the last rated show and then they um they figured they shut us down to regigurate because they figure they could make it better somehow and stop the audience slide and we came back and that the other family had been replaced what yeah they replaced without saying anything and and made it an african -american family I figured that that would be more interesting for the storytelling or what have you.

[609] Same name?

[610] No, they at least played different people.

[611] NCIS and it gets 15 million.

[612] Wow, and that's number one.

[613] That's the number one show.

[614] Number one, by a long shot.

[615] Wow.

[616] Wow.

[617] That's crazy.

[618] So when we came back and had the new cast member, the daughter was Janet Jackson, which was fun.

[619] Okay.

[620] So you were still on it?

[621] I was still on it, yeah.

[622] And Janet was all of like 12 or 13.

[623] And so she was your sister?

[624] She played the other, she was in the other family, the sharing house, yeah.

[625] Okay.

[626] So there was two families and one was African American and one was your family.

[627] Yeah, that was the change that the network made over a week.

[628] And they didn't tell anybody?

[629] No, they just, you just turned it on one week and, no, why did they do that?

[630] Oh, I love network executives.

[631] There are people that are making creative decisions that have never been creative in their fucking life.

[632] And it's amazing.

[633] And they're out there pushing buttons and pulling strings and.

[634] No, Aaron Sorkin tells a good.

[635] great story about the pilot of the West Wing, which is sort of, it's a, I mean, he wrote a great script.

[636] So it's one of the great pilots.

[637] And, you know, and there's a through line of refugees from Cuba, braving all odds on rickety boats to come to America for America's promise.

[638] And that's sort of a thread that's playing through it.

[639] And so in the White House, we're talking about it.

[640] And President Bartlett talks about it in a way to inspire people.

[641] And it's really, really beautiful.

[642] And the network was like, listen, we love it.

[643] We think the script is great.

[644] But we think at the end that the characters need to get into a boat and go to Cuba and pull them out of the water.

[645] Don't you just know that's true with your network?

[646] Don't you just know that like, oh, my God.

[647] Because really all you guys are doing is talking about it.

[648] I mean, don't you think it's more dramatic if it's actually on the water?

[649] And, you know, you want to see those people pulled out.

[650] No, we think the script's pretty good the way it is.

[651] And what does Sarkin say to this?

[652] He didn't do it, thank God.

[653] He'd take deep breaths.

[654] He never took a network note, not once.

[655] Wow, that's why I was good.

[656] There was never a representative for the network ever on the set, ever, not once, ever.

[657] That's very fortunate.

[658] News Radio, the show that I was on with Phil, wasn't successful.

[659] It was a great show, though.

[660] We were number 88th in the ratings, and my friend Lou Morton, he was one of the writers, and every week he would come in with a new t -shirt on where he would write.

[661] write the number on the shirt because we moved around like nine times we were always in different and this was pre -internet so you had to look at tv guide to find out when news radio was on you know it's like one night we're Tuesday then we were sunday and so uh he shows up with a t -shirt on and said 88 I'm like fucking 88 he's like 88 I'm like 88 were the 88 show Jesus I was 62 yeah but 88 was like a million people watching back then it was not it's not it's not good It's not 19 million.

[662] And see, but look, it led you to where you are today.

[663] That's the thing is all that stuff leads somebody if they're paying attention to where you want to be.

[664] If you keep moving.

[665] Yeah.

[666] You can't be stuck and you can't be scared.

[667] Yes.

[668] You cannot be stuck and scared.

[669] That's the thing about show business, right?

[670] It's like this weird world of, I wonder how this is going to be received.

[671] I wonder how this is going to work.

[672] Then you're fucked.

[673] You're done, though.

[674] Once you get into that head, you're done.

[675] Yeah.

[676] Do your best.

[677] And if it doesn't work, shrug your shoulders.

[678] Move on.

[679] Keep moving.

[680] Yeah.

[681] If they let you.

[682] Yeah.

[683] If they let you.

[684] That's the weird one, right?

[685] When you, like, watch a movie and you're like, oh, where the fuck did that guy go?

[686] Like, who's the guy from the mummy?

[687] What the fuck's his name?

[688] Brendan Frazier.

[689] Yes, that guy.

[690] Fucking guy was huge.

[691] Oh, but Brendan Frazier crashed my Saturday Night Live closing.

[692] You know, at the end where they go, good night, everybody.

[693] This has been great.

[694] Thanks for watching.

[695] And everybody's there.

[696] He showed up and was screaming the name of his movie that was opening that weekend.

[697] Badazzled Badazzled No I was like what the fuck What's happening?

[698] Who are you?

[699] What are you?

[700] Brendan Fraser?

[701] What are you doing here?

[702] Badazold!

[703] Whoa.

[704] To this day, I don't know what it was about.

[705] Maybe that's what sunk him.

[706] Badazold.

[707] Maybe that's what did it to him.

[708] It could have been.

[709] That mentality.

[710] Like that's not a healthy mindset.

[711] I think what happened probably is they were going to work him into a sketch that got cut.

[712] to promote bedazzled There's probably some studio shit Some back room smoke -filled room shit And then he was like well I'm gonna go out there And he's probably a little drunk When he y 'all bedazzled anyway Damn Dazzled But that guy was a giant movie star He was huge Massive Huge And the mummy was massive Massive Massive I just watched it I told you Me and my family watched Tommy boy No We did We went on We were doing family movie night because of the quarantine we watched like almost every night we watched a new movie i watched all the adam sandler movies watch a shitload of eddie murphy movies we watched the mummy watch a couple of the mummies and we watched to how did how did tommy boy stand up does it holds up funny movie man funny that's awesome god damn chris farley was good oh bro he was and and a great actor my my among all my regrets about Chris's passing was where he would have gone as a as an actor because he was cute as spade spade's the same they're acting in that movie forget the funny which is great but like they're like legitimate acting moments in that movie yes and and I think that's why it it it has the the staying power but Chris was really going to develop into a into a real serious actor a good a good one I think he was such a fucking powerhouse when he would go ape shit Look at you guys Those two idiots Just too I like what in the part of the movie Where Spade looks at me And goes hey Lee Harvey Because I do My hair does look like Lee Harvey Oswald He was awesome man That's the cow tipping scene Which I was I pitched to the writers They had never heard of it And it made it into the movie Who was your mom slash girlfriend again Bo Derek That's right Well that was a great thing because we, you know, she's Bo Derek and her husband John, famous John Derek, was very protective of her.

[713] And she hadn't worked in a long time.

[714] And he made her cut all her hair off the day before she showed up on the set of Tommy Boys.

[715] So what?

[716] We thought we were getting Bo Derek from 10 with the hair.

[717] And she showed up with hair that's basically my, my length now.

[718] Because John made her do it.

[719] Why didn't you make her do it?

[720] I mean, you can do the math.

[721] I think he was like, I want to keep you up in Stan Yanez, riding horses with me. I don't need you to be a movie star again.

[722] Oh, wow.

[723] But she was so lovely.

[724] She's the best.

[725] She's a really smart, really smart, just great woman.

[726] And, I mean, I got to kiss Bo Derek.

[727] I mean, you know.

[728] I know.

[729] People who don't know, like what she was in 10.

[730] Oh, my God.

[731] She was the original white girl with Corn Rose when it was okay.

[732] You couldn't get canceled for that back then.

[733] Yeah, she would have been, she would have been canceled.

[734] in the heartbeat.

[735] She was the original Gigi Hadid.

[736] How about that as a reference?

[737] Am I cool and young now?

[738] I missed it.

[739] I don't, I've heard that name before, but all I know is her dad got sued because he built a house that's too big.

[740] With no permits.

[741] Yeah.

[742] No, no, I know.

[743] No, absolutely no permits.

[744] It's way too big and the neighbors are worried it's going to fall on them.

[745] Yeah, exactly.

[746] It looks like a UFO.

[747] It's still there.

[748] Oh, yeah, of course.

[749] They haven't even figured out what to do with it yet.

[750] No. I think there's lawsuits.

[751] Yeah, that's rare.

[752] Look at Bo.

[753] Back in the day.

[754] Woo.

[755] How about the one on the left?

[756] Go to that one.

[757] Can't?

[758] Nips.

[759] Damn.

[760] Google.

[761] Capo.

[762] I'm going back.

[763] I'm going to go back and do a deeper dive on this.

[764] She was hot as far.

[765] Perfect bone structure, right?

[766] Yeah.

[767] She was amazing.

[768] And Tommy, you know, the thing about Farley was he and Spade used to fight over me like I was the girl.

[769] Probably because, let's face it, I kind of looked like a girl in certain lighting.

[770] And they'd be like, I heard you were in the jacuzzi of the Rob last night.

[771] Yeah.

[772] Oh, you didn't call me. Well, and they would like fight.

[773] It was very funny and sweet.

[774] One night I took the gang out to Barbarian Steakhouse in Toronto.

[775] Great steak.

[776] I don't know if they're still there.

[777] Chris ordered two bone in, two, bone in state, Porterhouse steaks, ate both of them.

[778] But on top of each bite, he put a cube of butter.

[779] and when I looked at him like what the fuck are you doing he was like it needs a hat so if you want to put a hat on your steak some people just genuinely don't give a fuck no fuck's given yeah obviously yeah he's a wild man I met him once on the set of news radio he's partying with Andy Dick oh he showed up gray like wet cardboard he looked gray and I'm I'm like, hey, man. He's like, he was just, he was gone.

[780] Oh.

[781] It was sad.

[782] It was weird.

[783] He had gray skin.

[784] And I remember thinking, Jesus Christ, Chris Farley has gray skin.

[785] Like, what's going on?

[786] Like, he was sweaty and just, just all fucked up.

[787] Yeah, he had major, major demons.

[788] And a lot of us really worked, you know, were worked out for, you know, but, you know, it's some people can't, they can't make that leap, man. The thing about him, though, is the fuck.

[789] I always wonder about guys like that that are so powerful like is it the demons that made him so good he was so good so good he would go ape shit I mean he had the the fucking horsepower he had it was so stunning like when he have these scenes when he would just go fucking crazy it was so fun I would wonder like what is is that same thing what makes him I mean because it was so real is that what made him just go crazy with coke and go crazy with everything else I mean, I think, I think like normal people, like, I don't see a lot of normal people drawn.

[790] But why would any normal person want to be in entertainment?

[791] Right.

[792] Why would they?

[793] Right.

[794] So I think just by default, damaged people or people with a more, more articulately, people with a hole to fill, are drawn to entertainment to fill the hole.

[795] And, you know, and some and some of the people have a. have other damage too, rage, anger, whatever it is.

[796] But without a question, the more normal someone is, I know, like, unfortunately, less entertaining.

[797] Yeah, right.

[798] Do you find that, though?

[799] Like, you're out at dinner or whatever, and they're like, I'm this thing.

[800] And then, like, really, really nice and really, really decent.

[801] And I go, I wish you were crazy and damaged like me because then you'd be really.

[802] Then we could have a fun conversation.

[803] Really funny, yeah.

[804] Well, that's absolutely the case with comedians.

[805] Like, my favorite people are all completely fucked up.

[806] Have you ever met, can you think, of a normal, decent, well -rounded, unfucked up person who's hilarious?

[807] No. I'll tell you real quick.

[808] Eh.

[809] Right?

[810] No. No. Humor is, a big part of humor is saying things that are radically inappropriate.

[811] Right.

[812] But may be accurate.

[813] Do you think that our, the culture where everybody, is so sensitive today is it's got to be hard to be I think it's harder to be funny you like you can make blazing sounds there's so many movies you couldn't make now right or jokes you couldn't tell or I mean most of Monty Python's movies well I mean so many we were watching some old Eddie Murphy movies and just just movies from the 2000s you can't you couldn't make today Eddie Murphy was it is still I mean but what a stud oh my God he's amazing fucking we were talking about Norbit.

[814] I'm like, Norbit is a massively underrated movie.

[815] That is a hilarious movie.

[816] And if I looked on Rotten Tomatoes, I think it got like 13 % or something like that.

[817] I'm like, I don't get it.

[818] How did you miss this?

[819] I was crying, laughing, like wheezing at certain scenes.

[820] Nutty Professor.

[821] Nutty Professor, Nutty Professor 2 is fucking terrible.

[822] And also the clumps?

[823] The clumps, that's two.

[824] That's the second one.

[825] Okay.

[826] Okay, I'm sorry.

[827] Right.

[828] Yeah, yeah.

[829] Nutty Professor is insane.

[830] Nutty Professor's insane.

[831] The Nutty Professor 2 is terrible.

[832] All those, he plays all those characters.

[833] Yeah, well, he's amazing.

[834] It's just the script doesn't work in Nutty Professor 2.

[835] And then they got rid of Jada Pickett Smith and replaced her with someone else, too.

[836] It's like, what happened?

[837] Yeah, yeah.

[838] That was a big part of the first movie.

[839] He's so good.

[840] The Nutty Professor 1 is excellent.

[841] But he's just boring.

[842] Have you revisited the stand -up specials of Eddie's in the leather suits?

[843] I mean, I've seen them all multiple times.

[844] I haven't revisited them in the last.

[845] few years.

[846] They're worth having a look again.

[847] It's one of the greatest of all time.

[848] It's crazy that he hasn't done stand -up in 30 years.

[849] As long as you've not been drinking, he hasn't been doing stand -up.

[850] Jesus.

[851] Maybe this two are connected.

[852] Well, they were related.

[853] I used to run with Eddie back in the day a little bit.

[854] It was pretty fun.

[855] He's amazing.

[856] I mean, it's really every comic that I know wants him to do stand -up again.

[857] Every comic.

[858] Like, there was a thing, we talked about him in the podcast before, but there was a thing that he did where he was accepting some award and he was on stage and he did this piece about Bill Cosby because him and Bill Cosby always had feuds like it was on one of his older specials I think it was on Raw where him and Richard Pryor had a conversation because Bill Cosby called him and chastised him about delirious about using bad words and so he did this whole thing where Bill Cosby you know called him and then he called Richard Pryor Richard Pryor was like do the people laugh do you get paid we'll tell Bill to have Have a Coke and a smile and shut the fuck up.

[859] Yes, I remember that.

[860] Have a Coke and a smile and shut the fuck up.

[861] So he had no...

[862] I remember that.

[863] For him, that was painful because, look, every comic was a Bill Cosby fan.

[864] Sure.

[865] They found out what the fuck he was really all about.

[866] But so for him to get a phone call from Bill Cosby instead of saying, you're amazing.

[867] I fucking love what you're doing.

[868] I'm in your corner.

[869] Congratulations.

[870] Go get him.

[871] Instead, he gets...

[872] You should stop saying bad words.

[873] and so anyway years later he hasn't done stand -up in forever and he accepts this award and talks about what because they took back Bill Cosby's honorary doctorate and all these different they took awards away from him and he does this whole routine about Bill getting his awards taken away and it's fucking brilliant and he hasn't done stand -up in 30 years and you look at him you're like Jesus Christ if that guy did stand up right now he'd have the biggest Netflix special on earth and it would probably be an hour of fucking gold Just straight gold.

[874] He just doesn't, I mean.

[875] Talk about doing it.

[876] He's talked about doing it.

[877] I bet pre -COVID, he was talking about doing it.

[878] I mean, obviously, COVID fucked it up for everything.

[879] It's really hard to do a show now.

[880] Right.

[881] And, you know, I don't, I don't know where it's going to go.

[882] I hope he does it, though.

[883] But he's a, he's a special talent, a very unique talent.

[884] Yeah.

[885] And a wonderful enigma.

[886] Yeah.

[887] You know, he's so nice.

[888] He's so, but he's one of those people like that, that, People have all of these, like people project things on Daddy.

[889] Do you know what I mean?

[890] Like what he's like, what he is, what he isn't, because he's just one of those guys.

[891] And he's kind of an enigma.

[892] He's kind of unknowable, but he's such a good dude.

[893] Well, he's so talented.

[894] I mean, we all grew up with him, you know, 48 hours.

[895] Dude, 48 hours is the shit.

[896] The shit.

[897] Him and Nick Nolte?

[898] Nick Nolte is so.

[899] I mean.

[900] that movie I mean that's the ultimate I mean like there's the Danny Glover one with Mel but to me it's all about 48 hours I wonder if you can make a buddy cop movie anymore now that everybody hates cops there they are look at them could you make a buddy cop movie today would people they don't want you to they wouldn't want you to no they don't want you to for sure like cop movies that was that's one of the biggest genre right there's a screening of kindergarten cop that was supposed to be in Portland or somewhere this weekend that was canceled because people said that it was showing cops in a good light or something like that.

[901] I hope they get robbed.

[902] I hope everybody says it get robbed.

[903] Can you imagine?

[904] You've got to watch, you ever see Nulte and Q?

[905] I don't really hope they get robbed, by the way.

[906] These are just jokes.

[907] You ever seen Nolte and Q and A?

[908] The movie Q and A. Yes, yes.

[909] Now that I remember that, yeah.

[910] Where he plays a racist cop?

[911] Yes.

[912] Oh, he's amazing, man. You know, there's a fucking movie that's not that good.

[913] It's called Warrior.

[914] It's like this martial arts movie that was a few years ago.

[915] And Nick Nolte plays this guy who is a trainer of one of the fighters.

[916] And he's the father of one of the fighters as well.

[917] And he's this alcoholic and he's all fucked up.

[918] And he has this scene where he breaks down and he's crying and weeping.

[919] And he just go, God, damn.

[920] If you forget, this is it right here.

[921] He's so good.

[922] He's so good.

[923] That outfit?

[924] That's the outfit he wears to go to the market.

[925] market in Malibu.

[926] Oh, yeah, man. I ran into him at Fry.

[927] Look at him right there.

[928] I mean, this scene, man. That's also how he orders at McDonald's.

[929] Screaming, red -faced.

[930] I ran into him at Fry's Electronics.

[931] He was, oh, hey, Joe.

[932] He was buying some motherboard or some shit for his kid.

[933] He's just amazing.

[934] Yeah, he's amazing.

[935] So I, here's a, I got to tell you how much I'm loving your podcast.

[936] I love it.

[937] It's great.

[938] Thank you.

[939] I'm a big fan.

[940] Thank you.

[941] one of the things I love about because I'm doing my own now and I'm learning from the best and the best would be you is it's just literally anything and everything that makes you like you're curious about and I love that so I know it's been paying attention I know you're curious about space let's talk for a minute because this week Elon Musk you did the big thing and it was fun to watch but isn't it funny how excited we all are that we just replicated something we did 50 years of Well, even better, though.

[942] They replicated something in a much more improved way where it can actually come back and land and it's reusable.

[943] That's the difference.

[944] How, don't you think, though, we have to have, there has to be a secret space program.

[945] There has to be.

[946] Do you think so?

[947] Well, here, here, okay, let's just go through the logic of it.

[948] Okay, I'll let me. This is what happens when, uh, at nighttime when I have a cigar.

[949] You don't do drugs?

[950] I know, I know.

[951] Do you smoke cigars?

[952] I do smoke cigars.

[953] You want one?

[954] I was going to bring one and I forgot, but hell yeah.

[955] Here we go.

[956] Beautiful.

[957] At least we can get some kind of drugs.

[958] I know.

[959] Let's go.

[960] Let's fucking go.

[961] By the way, I enjoy watching people take drugs.

[962] I do.

[963] Do you?

[964] Yeah, because I enjoy about it.

[965] I have a very expensive wine cellar.

[966] I don't drink.

[967] You don't drink at all?

[968] You just have the wine for other folks?

[969] For guests.

[970] Wow.

[971] Yeah.

[972] But could you have like a glass of wine or are you just a deep end kind of a guy?

[973] No, no. No. Every single person I know who either you have the is.

[974] of alcoholism or you don't.

[975] And if you have come to terms of the fact that you have it, the day where you go, you know what, I'm going to live in Europe for a while.

[976] And gosh, I mean, a glass of red wine at my birthday is not going to kill.

[977] I'm not going to do heroin anymore.

[978] That's what brought me to my knees, but a glass of red wine.

[979] Literally, you can put a fucking stopwatch on it.

[980] And it might not be in a week.

[981] And it might not be in a month.

[982] And it might not even be in a year.

[983] but I assure you you'll read about them in the paper or like biting a cop in their stomach and jumping off of a roof or 100%.

[984] I've been in this game 30 years.

[985] I've never seen it go any way other than that.

[986] Never.

[987] I like to believe there's someone out there that can do it.

[988] Just like I like to believe some people can walk tight ropes between two buildings.

[989] Yeah, nor people who aren't alcoholics.

[990] They can't do it.

[991] Fuck yeah.

[992] What do we've got here, bro?

[993] This is good.

[994] Okay, why can I not open this?

[995] There we go, got it Hell, I would have brought my own I don't know Well, I just have this box here from my friend Mike Binder Oh, I love Mike Oh, you know Mike?

[996] Yep He's doing this comedy store Documentary And he bought me a box of cigars What company is this?

[997] Do you know this company?

[998] They're great Mm -mm -mm -mm -mm There's nothing better than a cigar when you're fasting because you get good and fucked up are you fasting right now yeah what do you do the intermittent thing I do intermittent and then and then I do every other day a 24 hour really which I got from Kimmel like what like remember that moment where all of a sudden Kimmel like didn't look like Kimmel anymore lost like 80 pounds and I was like and I did and like you know in the commercial breaks the band's playing and people were screaming you hey why do you look so good he's like I don't eat every other day I was like that's got to be bought the board went right back and I never got to like finish the conversation with them but um i've since learned about it and and uh i did i've done it and it's been what's the benefits um honestly i think at the end of the day the benefit is just it's just an easy way to keep the calories down but i find um i'm more focused and actually have more energy that's crazy if you think about taking a whole day off of eating but here's the thing is it's it sounds worse than it is because you eat dinner So the day goes from dinner to dinner.

[999] Right.

[1000] So there's not an active day that I'm not eating.

[1001] Oh, okay.

[1002] It's like a meal a day.

[1003] Yeah, it's a meal.

[1004] That's what Jack Dorsey does.

[1005] Jack Dorsey, the CEO, Twitter, he eats one meal a day.

[1006] And he said he realizes that a lot of...

[1007] That lighter sucks, unfortunately.

[1008] Do we have another lighter?

[1009] No, I'm good, right?

[1010] No, I'm good.

[1011] We're good to go.

[1012] This is good.

[1013] I like this.

[1014] They're good, right?

[1015] I'm really good.

[1016] Yeah, I do intermittent.

[1017] I do either 14 or 16 hours.

[1018] And then you're like, you know, low carb, low sugar.

[1019] Mostly meat.

[1020] Mostly what I eat is meat.

[1021] Like almost entirely meat.

[1022] What about?

[1023] Veggie.

[1024] I eat some fruit.

[1025] Veggies?

[1026] This whole month, I'm not eating.

[1027] I'm barely eating any vegetables.

[1028] What?

[1029] This is animal -based August.

[1030] Animal -based August.

[1031] Yeah, you know, plant -based?

[1032] I'm plant -based.

[1033] based well there's animal based august mostly what i'm eating do the vegan army come for you oh they've come they've come for me i give them hugs look those animals are going to die i'll send them videos of wolves eating elk alive you know if you want to see that it's better if i kill them trust me and then you don't live forever and you do you fish at all yeah i love fishing yeah my son matthew is a world -class fisherman and do you fly fishing no it's all deep sea it's all deep sea stuff yeah And we go, we have a boat and we go out and we, I mean, it's like the sashimi fish tacos.

[1034] He has a commercial fisherman's license.

[1035] Really?

[1036] He's got a law degree and a commercial fisherman's license.

[1037] That's fucking balanced.

[1038] It's a well -rounded young man. You did a good job.

[1039] Congratulations.

[1040] Yeah, it's good shit.

[1041] And then my other son is a writer on 911 Loan Star.

[1042] No kidding.

[1043] Yeah.

[1044] Dude, you pulled it off.

[1045] I did.

[1046] Being a dad, you got kids.

[1047] Being dad is a full -time job, but I love it.

[1048] I'm one of those people that, like, for whatever reason.

[1049] And I knew it was what I was born to do immediately.

[1050] And I devoted every fucking minute to it and loved it.

[1051] And it paid off.

[1052] My boys are, you know, I have great, Cheryl's a great wife and great partner for me. But I love seeing like that kind of time investment pay off.

[1053] Yeah.

[1054] No, it's beautiful because then they become these sustainable, fascinating human beings.

[1055] Mm -hmm.

[1056] You know, it's a...

[1057] How old are your kids?

[1058] I have a 23 -year -old, I have a 10 -year -old, and a 12 -year -old.

[1059] I'm saying, that's kind of good.

[1060] Do you love going to this?

[1061] Because mine are 24 and 26.

[1062] So the notion of going back and having, like, another crack at it kind of sounds kind of cool.

[1063] It is kind of cool.

[1064] You know, what's weird about babies and just humans, they're so different right out of the box.

[1065] Yeah.

[1066] Like, there's so much study on what, makes a personality what makes a human being whether it's nature or nurture and people who are parents can tell you there's certain aspects of a kid's personality that they're just born with you see them with it as a baby like right out of the box and like one year in they're different two years like they're so different it's it's so fat like sometimes my daughters will say something to me it's just and i just get so stunned just talking to them like this i remember when you were this tiny little thing.

[1067] And now you and I are sitting here and we're having a conversation about space or about mortality or about what I think God is or about, you know, why do people act mean?

[1068] You know, I was having this conversation with my daughter, with my 12 -year -old about mean people.

[1069] And I'm like, believe me, it seems like they're just mean, but they're only mean because they're hurting.

[1070] That's why people are mean.

[1071] They feel terrible, so they want you to feel terrible.

[1072] Right.

[1073] And we're just having this weird conversation about emotions and about where it comes from and, you know, and how some people, their, you know, their families broken up.

[1074] And because of that, they wish that things were normal so they make up lies or they, when other people are doing well, they get angry at other people.

[1075] And we were just talking through this.

[1076] And in the middle of it, I'm talking to her and I'm thinking, I remember when you were so small.

[1077] I know.

[1078] You were this tiny little thing and now here you are this 12 year old who's like we're having this like intense like conversation about emotions and the development of human beings and how to be more compassionate and how there's this instinct to go fuck her you know and I'm like I know you have that feeling but you got to fight that feeling like nobody has that feeling more than me that fuck you feeling I got a lot of that but you got to keep it locked up it's not good for you that it doesn't do you any good either when you're like fuck you that you're just really saying fuck yourself it's not helping you because you're developing anger instead of developing forgiveness.

[1079] Like you developed this anger towards a person where it's better, it's hard, but it's better to try to understand why they're that way and why they're lashing out at you.

[1080] And when you do that, what I was explaining to her is like it'll be ineffective.

[1081] Like their mean stuff to you will be ineffective.

[1082] It doesn't work anymore because you know who you are.

[1083] So if you know who you are, it'll bother you that they're trying to do it, but it won't change your feelings about yourself.

[1084] Someone can, if you don't have a good sense of personal sovereignty, someone can change your feelings about yourself.

[1085] You know, I remember when I was young, someone could insult me and I would think that they were right.

[1086] I'd be like, oh, God, I am a loser.

[1087] You know what I mean?

[1088] Like, fuck, I'm a loser.

[1089] Shit, and I'd go home, and I'd feel terrible, and I'd feel like a loser.

[1090] But if someone does it to you when you have sovereignty, you're like, oh, that feels gross that this person is trying to make me feel bad, but it doesn't change who I am.

[1091] I know who I am.

[1092] You gain an understanding through struggle.

[1093] And we were having this conversation.

[1094] I remember thinking, God, it's so weird, like that people just sort of pop out of vaginas.

[1095] You know, you have sex.

[1096] A person gets developed.

[1097] They pop out of vagina.

[1098] Next thing you know, they're 12 when they're sitting across the dinner table.

[1099] Just you and her, just chit -chatting.

[1100] God, so it's amazing.

[1101] It's amazing.

[1102] It's true.

[1103] I always tell my kids, like, that, you know, that great phrase about bitterness, you know, and anger and bitterness is it's like drinking poison.

[1104] expecting the other person to drop dead yes yes yes I love that statement it's a great one yeah yeah and you know worldview right optimism positivity um rejection of victimhood uh all that stuff is so important yeah in development they're tools too they're tools for success because there's so many people that contain they hold on to that stuff what's that other expression that anger is a a poison that kills the vessel that holds it.

[1105] Yeah, that's great.

[1106] Yeah, but they do.

[1107] But you could use them as tools to understand people.

[1108] You know, like that feeling that you get, it's a tool, and the understanding of, like, how to manage that is a tool.

[1109] You can use it, and you could understand people better, and then you'll recognize it in yourself better, and it'll prevent you from making some catastrophic mistakes.

[1110] you know one of the things about like angry bitter spiteful people's like they rarely get anything done they really accomplish anything good they really they always have this bitter horrible feeling that they're carrying around with them just yeah i mean i's i've i'm a big believer in and in therapy and and and personal digging and growth and stuff like that i mean it's it's it's it's part and parcel with my recovery it's recovery is not for everybody nor should it be but i But I think therapy could and should be.

[1111] I think it should be like going and get your oil checked.

[1112] Do you do like A .A. meetings and the whole deal?

[1113] I, you know, it's an anonymous program chat.

[1114] Oh, you can't even say it.

[1115] The A .A. Gestapo will come and get me. Were they really?

[1116] If you say, you go to A .A. Here's why.

[1117] It's in what they call the traditions, right?

[1118] They're literally like, it's like the constitution of A .A. It's in the constitution.

[1119] Because the theory is, if I were to say, A .A. works.

[1120] I go to A .A. And then, God forbid, I slip.

[1121] Then the person who might have been on the fence about going to A .A. Well, go, well, I know that's bullshit.

[1122] That guy was an AA, and he slipped.

[1123] That's the theory about it.

[1124] That's a weird theory because exercise works, right?

[1125] You get in shape, and then you can just decide to eat Twinkies and you get out of shape.

[1126] It doesn't mean the exercise doesn't work.

[1127] Listen, I, I, I, there are people that's, you know, true traditionalists don't even like people talking with the amount that I talk about recovery publicly for that reason.

[1128] But my thing is in this world, addiction is such a fucking killer.

[1129] And there are so many families suffering from it that, and, and every teenager is going to have to have to figure out their relationship.

[1130] with drugs and alcohol.

[1131] There isn't one who isn't going to have to.

[1132] And a lot of people are going to fuck that up and some aren't.

[1133] But the more that conversation is out there and that people can can talk about it openly as better.

[1134] So I kind of am more public about it just because it's, you know, changed my life, save my life.

[1135] I don't have alcoholism in my family nor personally, but I admire people who talk about recovery.

[1136] I think it's important because I think, especially someone like you because you're a very famous public figure and when you talk about addiction and your own struggles people say well fucking rob low has a problem with booze like okay it's this is like a thing right it's part of being a person yeah for sure i think i think it's very valuable i think you talking about it is very valuable and i think it's honorable well thanks i mean i and i i get a lot of um i get a lot out of it because inevitably you know i meet people who are earlier on their journey and it reminds me of how bad it can be if you don't keep an eye on it you know what I mean it's like because I'm just one of those people it's like you know if it says take two aspirin then I immediately think well then five's got to be fucking great then you should I mean that's that's real that is the way my brain works do you think that that's from becoming famous when you're very young like what is the earliest big thing that you did was the earliest big project that you did I mean it was probably that Karen Carpenter lookalike look thing I had going on but like a big well that was sort of but I mean you said that was not the big knockout that put me on the teen magazines though and that that's that I went from like a theater geek who couldn't like none of the cool girls gave a shit about because I was like yeah because I was a theater geek but you such a good looking fellow no I was pretty I didn't look like the fucking football playing And they all wanted the football players and the beach volleyball players.

[1137] And in that culture, like, youth entertainment wasn't a thing.

[1138] There was no MTV.

[1139] There was no Us magazine.

[1140] There was no Nickelodeon.

[1141] There was none of it.

[1142] So, like, it was kind of this, like, thing that.

[1143] Stars to watch in 87.

[1144] Look at you.

[1145] 87's late, though.

[1146] I mean, you can roll that thing back to 79 and get some good shit.

[1147] Duran Duran.

[1148] Look at Michael J. Fox.

[1149] Look at him.

[1150] The monkeys were still around.

[1151] What?

[1152] Duran, Duran.

[1153] You know, it's funny how in Europe, like things that are almost like campy here are still cool.

[1154] Like Merco Krocop is one of the baddest motherfuckers of all times.

[1155] His kickboxer used to come out to Duran Duran.

[1156] That was his walkout song.

[1157] Come out to wild boils.

[1158] Wild boys.

[1159] Wild boys.

[1160] Yeah.

[1161] I mean, he's a fucking straight up killer.

[1162] He's a terrifying human.

[1163] human being.

[1164] I didn't even come out to Duran Duran.

[1165] That's unbelievable.

[1166] That's awesome.

[1167] I loved it.

[1168] I was like, that is the scariest human being on earth.

[1169] That's a fucking Duran Duran fan.

[1170] Who's the guy?

[1171] This is going to be like, who's the baseball player?

[1172] And he's like, Babe Ruth?

[1173] Yeah, that's him.

[1174] But who's the fucking gnarly motherfucker from Hawaii?

[1175] B .J. Penn. Oh, yeah.

[1176] B .J. Yeah.

[1177] So B .J, when I met B .J. And I don't know anything really much about the sport.

[1178] He was like, you know that before every match I watch Youngblood.

[1179] I'm like, get the fuck out of here.

[1180] What?

[1181] Are you kidding me?

[1182] BJ's crazy.

[1183] He's crazy.

[1184] He's so crazy.

[1185] So fucking nuts.

[1186] That's funny.

[1187] Yeah, but that, I don't think.

[1188] So you don't think they're connected?

[1189] Becoming very famous at an early age, sort of exacerbates.

[1190] Because I would imagine it up, but you've got to have it in you.

[1191] Oh, okay.

[1192] You have to have that in you anyway.

[1193] Is it a family thing?

[1194] Is it genetic?

[1195] It's partially genetics.

[1196] You know, it's in the family for sure.

[1197] 100%.

[1198] It's in our, in my family, both sides of the family.

[1199] But some people don't have it.

[1200] Some people do.

[1201] And what exacerbates it is the access, the, you know, all the stuff that you'd think.

[1202] It's like fame and money and all that is jet fuel for addiction.

[1203] And then on the other side of it is there's always in the back of your mind that if it works out, if I get this movie or get this part or whatever, then it'll feel better about myself.

[1204] And then you get it and you don't.

[1205] And then you're really fucked.

[1206] So that's why when people go, he had it all.

[1207] I don't understand.

[1208] He had.

[1209] I go, I understand.

[1210] I understand perfectly.

[1211] Yeah.

[1212] His dreams came true and they didn't fucking change who he was.

[1213] Yeah.

[1214] Did you ever have imposter syndrome?

[1215] Oh, yeah, right.

[1216] I have a lot of syndromes.

[1217] But I'm not sure I've had that one.

[1218] You think he didn't have because you were famous early on?

[1219] Maybe.

[1220] Maybe.

[1221] I mean, it was like a normal thing to be famous?

[1222] No, because I also had a vision when I was a kid that I was going to do what I was going to do.

[1223] Like it was like, oh, yeah.

[1224] Like I, it was like, I knew it.

[1225] How old?

[1226] I knew it as sure as I'm sitting here smoking a cigar with you, I knew it.

[1227] I knew it was going to be an actor.

[1228] I knew it was going to be successful.

[1229] And I knew it was going to happen.

[1230] And here's the thing.

[1231] I was too young and too stupid to know otherwise.

[1232] And no one told me different.

[1233] I'm so grateful that I didn't have someone telling me that 99 % of, of the people in the screen actors guild.

[1234] These are people who are acting, who've made it.

[1235] They're in Hollywood and they're acting.

[1236] 99 % of them can't support themselves as an actor.

[1237] Really?

[1238] That's a true statistic.

[1239] That's a crazy number.

[1240] Now, if somebody had told me that, might have fucked me up and maybe my vision would have weakened.

[1241] Hmm.

[1242] Yeah.

[1243] Yeah, that's interesting, right?

[1244] Like, if somebody gives you, like, someone made it, you made it.

[1245] Obviously, there's movies.

[1246] People are making it.

[1247] say to my kids is it, listen, I don't know what the odds are, but somebody's got to do it.

[1248] Why not you?

[1249] Yes, that's a good way to look at it.

[1250] Yeah.

[1251] Yeah.

[1252] I mean, that was the thing.

[1253] So I had that, which is both a curse and a blessing, because I knew I didn't have to go through the thing that so many people do where they don't really know where they fit in the world and don't know what their gift is and don't know what they want to do with their lives.

[1254] So you never wavered.

[1255] You had this idea.

[1256] How old were you when you figured it out?

[1257] Eight.

[1258] Jesus.

[1259] I saw a local theater production in.

[1260] Dayton, Ohio of Oliver, of all things.

[1261] My parents must have known one of the actors, and there were kids in it.

[1262] And it was literally, like, out of a movie, like, oh, like the light hit me and the skies parted.

[1263] And I went, I want to do that.

[1264] And there was a sign up sheet for summer kid acting camp or whatever.

[1265] And I go, I want to do that.

[1266] My parents are like, yeah, yeah, sure.

[1267] And I'm sure they thought it was like just camp or Little League or any other.

[1268] thing that a kid would, but I knew it was the beginning of a step of what I wanted to do.

[1269] I was deadly serious about it.

[1270] Wow.

[1271] That's incredible.

[1272] That's very fortunate because then you just have to work towards your path.

[1273] Like so many people are like 30 and they don't know what they want to do with their life.

[1274] They're doing something they don't enjoy and they're like, I want to find something that I enjoy.

[1275] And they don't know what that is.

[1276] That's a tech.

[1277] Those conversations are terrifying to me. I've had conversations with people.

[1278] Like I just got to find what my thing is.

[1279] I'm like, fuck, man. It's hard.

[1280] And that's, you know, my biggest fear for my sons is, you know, as a parent, you know, the goals and issues change with age and where they're.

[1281] And now it's all about, you know, jobs.

[1282] Yeah.

[1283] And, you know, we've had those, my favorites.

[1284] So my youngest son, John Owen, was the youngest intern at the Eli Brod's stem cell laboratory in the university.

[1285] of San Francisco during his summers in high school and in fact was next to one of the scientists that won the Nobel Prize that year.

[1286] So he gets into Stanford, goes to Stanford, graduates with straight A's.

[1287] And I'm thinking, this is, I've done it.

[1288] As a parent, he's done it.

[1289] And then he comes back and goes, I want to be in show business.

[1290] And I wanted to kill myself.

[1291] I was like, it was worse than wanting, it was actually worse than I want to be in show business.

[1292] It was worse because it was, I want to be an actor.

[1293] And I wanted to publicly disembowel myself.

[1294] Isn't that crazy?

[1295] You are a successful actor.

[1296] You love doing it.

[1297] But yet, you didn't want your kid to do it.

[1298] Isn't it amazing?

[1299] It's weird.

[1300] It is really weird.

[1301] And there's so much to sort of unpack underneath that.

[1302] Well, I don't think you want your kids to be in pain, right?

[1303] The uncertainty of it.

[1304] Yeah.

[1305] And it's like you, I always used to read about this quote about it.

[1306] Henry Fonda, that to the day he died, and he died with the Oscar for fucking on Golden Pond next to him, he thought he would never work again.

[1307] Whoa.

[1308] And I was like, that has to be bullshit.

[1309] Guess what?

[1310] It's not.

[1311] It's not.

[1312] That's fucking heavy.

[1313] But then the other thing I would get, and this is the other really weird thing is I'd wake up in the middle of the night and go, oh, my instinct to beat every creative fucking instinct out of my children is now.

[1314] indicted them and sentenced them to a life of a drone in a cubicle.

[1315] Ooh, way worse.

[1316] Do you know what I'm saying?

[1317] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1318] Like, your instinct to protect them from uncertainty has led them to the certainty of doom.

[1319] Mm -hmm.

[1320] Ugh.

[1321] And then you realize, you know what, they're going to be who they are.

[1322] And Johnny is a really talented writer, and he's found his niche.

[1323] And ironically, went right to work, right out of Stanford.

[1324] so it all kind of works out you know it really does but you we do as dads put our own fears and our own shit on our on our kids oh yeah there's no doubt you know it means uh if one of my kids told me they wanted to be a comic I'd be terrified right plus also it's like I don't that there's there there's certain parts of comedy that are so painful like the bond I don't think I could be there if my kid was bombing it's I would feel it as much as them do you remember a joke that you told once that bombed oh yeah really oh my god you remember the joke or a joke dude I've bombed a lot I just can't believe that I don't I talked to Joe Lopez on my podcast two days ago and he was talking about bombing but you're a fucking Fred roguie you're a Joe Rogan he's he's fucking you know George Lopez what the fuck how do you guys don't bomb you guys don't bomb you guys don't bomb you guys don't bomb you guys don't bomb you guys You have to come up with new material.

[1325] And if you're going to come up with new material, some of them are going to be duds.

[1326] That's just how it is.

[1327] Yeah.

[1328] And also, you have to take chances if you want to expand.

[1329] Like, comedy is a, there's a bunch of things going on, right?

[1330] There's you relating to the audience.

[1331] There's them liking you.

[1332] There's these concepts you're trying to flesh out.

[1333] And especially in a workout room, like the comedy store, like you have to take chances.

[1334] There's no way around it.

[1335] And sometimes those chances fall flat on their face.

[1336] the good thing is through those painful failures those are like the biggest springboards to improvement and growth like every time i've ever had a bad set my next set has been amazing because you just feel the sting and you prepare better and also like i think my past bombings have prepared me to not bomb again because of the fact that i know what it feels like to suck so i always explain it that it's like if someone's what's bombing like it's like sucking a thousand dicks in front of your mother except there's probably someone out there that likes sucking a thousand dicks in front of their mother.

[1337] No one likes bombing.

[1338] You know, there's probably some guy who's just really into humiliation, but I don't think there's no one out there's into bombing.

[1339] Oh, man, I just...

[1340] Yeah.

[1341] But because it's like...

[1342] Oh, well, listen, listen.

[1343] Well, what am I?

[1344] I will bet you that no one has bombed harder than me. Oh, that's not possible.

[1345] I will...

[1346] I will...

[1347] I will...

[1348] No, no, bro.

[1349] How is it possible?

[1350] The knowledge bomb.

[1351] By the way, you're...

[1352] trustee savant next to us young jamie will pull up did you just stand up he can pull up me bombing in front of a billion people what did you do the academy awards oh you hosted it well here's the thing so you talk about bombing my dick's bigger than your dick about bombing um I'm 24, 24 years old.

[1353] I'm doing my movies.

[1354] The Academy Awards ask me to do a big opening number for them.

[1355] I'm like, holy fucking shit.

[1356] Can we play it?

[1357] This is a minute, yeah, yeah.

[1358] We'll get pulled off of YouTube.

[1359] God damn it.

[1360] So.

[1361] I'll play it for us.

[1362] So, wait, wait, wait, before you play it, before.

[1363] I need to get a little context.

[1364] Look context.

[1365] So, stop.

[1366] stop or I'll bomb again I'll bomb right now again so they say to me they go we want you to do and I'm like those years is high honor 86 okay high honor fucking catacorns sure and I should have like probably thought it through because the idea didn't sound great to me but it's the Academy Awards you know they know better than I do it's their show and the idea is it's going to be an homage to old -time Hollywood.

[1367] And one of the earliest stars in Hollywood was Snow White, the animated figure.

[1368] So we're going to have a lot of girl, obviously, playing Snow White, and we're going to do a duet because it's a big opening musical number.

[1369] The Oscars always used to open with musical numbers before there were monologues.

[1370] Really?

[1371] Yeah.

[1372] Oh, yeah.

[1373] Yes.

[1374] This ended it.

[1375] It's ended it.

[1376] Um, so, uh, I'm like, okay, uh, me and snow, okay.

[1377] Me and Snow White, great, okay.

[1378] And anyway, um, Marvin Hamlish is going to write it.

[1379] cheesy I can do that so when they get Ike and Tina Turner's Proud Mary and change the lyrics to did a lot of work for Walt Disney oh yeah yeah oh no it's like I'm saying it's a bomb you and I are going to watch this and we're going to pause for the people at home if you need to if you need to watch this YouTube Jamie what is it what is it good?

[1380] It's on the Hollywood Reporter's website I don't know why it's there What is the title of the actual video?

[1381] Roblo Bombs.

[1382] Is that the title?

[1383] Yeah, something like that.

[1384] Disasterous Open, I don't want.

[1385] Roblo and Snow White's Disasterous Oscar opening February 20th, 2013.

[1386] That's actually the title for the people.

[1387] It literally says disastrous.

[1388] Folks at home, Google this, watch it, and then we're going to pick this up after Rob and I watch this.

[1389] Is that Lily Tomlin at the end?

[1390] No, that's a truncated version.

[1391] They didn't give you much.

[1392] of it.

[1393] But can I tell you something?

[1394] We're bad.

[1395] I, I, I, that was the year that, um, Barry Levinson.

[1396] I could tell just from the first bar.

[1397] It was not good.

[1398] It was going to be bad.

[1399] Yeah.

[1400] When you were singing, did you take singing lessons?

[1401] No, fine.

[1402] The whole thing.

[1403] What's that?

[1404] You found the whole thing?

[1405] It's 11 minutes long.

[1406] No, it's 11 minutes of sheer terror.

[1407] That's on YouTube if you want to look at it.

[1408] Oh, okay.

[1409] I have 11 minutes that ruined Hollywood producer Alan Carr's career forever.

[1410] Hold on.

[1411] We'll be right back.

[1412] He's like, wait, just hang on.

[1413] Hang on, folks.

[1414] I need to see.

[1415] First of all, I get it.

[1416] I get it.

[1417] Okay, so I look out in the middle of the audience, and I see Barry Levinson.

[1418] So he's at this, on this Oscars, he's about to win literally 11 Academy Awards.

[1419] As an actor, there's no one you would want to impress more than Barry Levinson.

[1420] It's the year of Rain Man. And I look out, Joe, in the middle of this, and I see his face.

[1421] I'm not kidding.

[1422] and he's this is what he literally was going he might like this what the fuck you see him actually make this i see him mouth the words what the fuck and and so talking about bombing and i'm like but you know we have to have our our our actors denial like we can't get through a career without a healthy dose of denial so i'm like you know what fuck barry levinson what does he know anyway fuck that guy and i go backstage and And it's in the green room and it's early because it's early in the show.

[1423] And there's an older lady in the corner with like flaming red hair.

[1424] And I'm kind of looking at her.

[1425] And she sees me and she goes, young man, I didn't know you were such a good singer.

[1426] Come sit down.

[1427] It was Lucille Ball.

[1428] Whoa.

[1429] And I went over and we sat down and she held my hand and we watched the Oscars together.

[1430] And you know what?

[1431] It made it all almost worthwhile.

[1432] Almost.

[1433] Here's why that's not as bad as bombing doing stand -up.

[1434] How is that not as bad?

[1435] It's not as bad.

[1436] Because even though a billion people watched it, A, you didn't write it, and B, you knew where you were going.

[1437] You could just sing the stupid song and get it over with.

[1438] It's terrible.

[1439] It's bombing.

[1440] It's bad.

[1441] But when you're bombing doing stand -up, you are the writer, you are the creator, you are the creator, you are the performer.

[1442] You put it together.

[1443] You edited it.

[1444] You prepared it You got it ready And then you're just up there Eating shit And people are angry at you They're angry They're angry because they can talk Oh they were angry Oh I'm sure They were angry Here's the other thing they did That they never occurred To the academy To maybe maybe that they needed To license the likeness Of Snow White What?

[1445] Oh yeah Oh no Oh yeah And you know how Disney is About likenesses They're so easy going Yeah they're so They're so generous.

[1446] So generous.

[1447] So that, see, I would have thought I would have got.

[1448] I think I would have gotten away with it a little bit in terms of history had there not been massive lawsuits the next day.

[1449] Oh.

[1450] Over the likeness thing, which made.

[1451] So then people thought about it again.

[1452] When people went back and went, wait a minute, that fucking sucked way worse than I thought it did.

[1453] What was the next thing you did after that?

[1454] I think, let's say, would it have been, I feel like it might have been bad influence with James Spader and Kurt, one of my favorite movies I got to do.

[1455] That's a great movie.

[1456] I love that movie.

[1457] That's a good way to bounce back.

[1458] Yeah, that was a good one.

[1459] Let's look at the bright side.

[1460] No, listen.

[1461] And it is a. Did you consider saying no?

[1462] No. A people pleasing Midwesterner at 24 does not say no. the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, they don't.

[1463] And every year, every year I am treated to the honor, the high honor of being on the list of most embarrassing Oscar moments, every fucking year.

[1464] And my thing is this is I go, hey, wait, guys, you couldn't figure out how to announce the best picture two years ago.

[1465] And I'm the problem.

[1466] Still?

[1467] Well, it wasn't your fault.

[1468] I mean, no one would have saved that.

[1469] No one.

[1470] No one.

[1471] Not a fucking human being could have jumped up there and saying that and had it made any sense.

[1472] Maybe Jim Carrey.

[1473] Yes, maybe Jim Carrey.

[1474] Maybe Jim Carrey could have done it.

[1475] But he would have gone full Ace Ventura over the top, and people would have been just laughing hysterically at how crazy he is.

[1476] It's one of my great career low light slash highlights.

[1477] It actually kind of makes me laugh with with, with, the onset of perspective in history.

[1478] That's the beautiful thing about failures.

[1479] They eventually become funny and they can look back at them.

[1480] It only took 30 years.

[1481] It's great.

[1482] Like there's some movies, man, that are terrible, terrible movies, but they're really funny to revisit, right?

[1483] Like showgirls, things along those lines.

[1484] Oh, show I'm a big showgirls fan.

[1485] It's a fucking great movie.

[1486] I think they might have offered me showgirls.

[1487] Oh, you should have done it.

[1488] I think they might offer me the Kyle McLaughlin, is he?

[1489] Really?

[1490] Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

[1491] You had sex with Elizabeth Berkeley in the water, that crazy scene where she's spazzing out, always having sex with her?

[1492] Do you remember that?

[1493] She's spazing.

[1494] Oh, my God.

[1495] It's one of the craziest scenes ever.

[1496] It didn't make any sense.

[1497] Why is she spasging?

[1498] It doesn't make any sense.

[1499] It's like they were on Coke when they were doing the movie, writing the movie, performing the movie, and their connection with what's realistic or even entertaining or even possible doesn't make any sense.

[1500] Like, if you were having sex with a woman and she was flailing around like that and you kept going, you'd be a. criminal.

[1501] Like, she's having a seizure.

[1502] There's something wrong.

[1503] She, they were in a pool, and for whatever reason, she starts flopping.

[1504] I mean, like, they're making out, he's got his arm around her, and she's throwing her body, like, slapping it against the water in this, like, insane, like, who, I just want to know, like, who was filming that and was like, cut!

[1505] We got it!

[1506] We fucking got it.

[1507] You got that one.

[1508] We got it.

[1509] We got it.

[1510] Just the, you could hear the fucking jackhammer heart rate of everyone was filming it because they're all coked up.

[1511] Have you seen that scene?

[1512] I find the non -porn site.

[1513] No, we want to...

[1514] Hosted so we can watch it, but I think that's the only place I can find it.

[1515] The um porn sites have it?

[1516] Yes, definitely.

[1517] Why, is she topless in it?

[1518] Is that what it is?

[1519] I think so probably.

[1520] Oh.

[1521] I don't even remember the topless part.

[1522] They used to, I mean, there are no, really, there's no nudity in movies anymore.

[1523] but in the 80s you had like that was I had the page 73 rule because that's always the page the nude seeds were on they were always on page 73 why because that's the middle of the set it is so they're making out yeah he's pouring oh there you go naked not on YouTube stuff yeah X videos so they start fooling around and she gets on top of them and then once they start doing it she starts flailing I mean I mean she like you see it here looks almost normal This looks almost normal.

[1524] She's just crazy.

[1525] But then she gets really spastic.

[1526] And she starts throwing herself on the fucking water.

[1527] Look at this.

[1528] Look at this.

[1529] Come on, man. What's happening here?

[1530] What is that?

[1531] Is that for real?

[1532] Yes, it is for real.

[1533] That was in the movie.

[1534] And I mean, and when people have to remember, she's the sweetheart from Saved by the Bell, right?

[1535] And this was going to be her break from Saved by the Bell.

[1536] This beautiful girl.

[1537] And he's the guy from, uh, wow, fucking, blue velvet.

[1538] I had forgotten.

[1539] But that, can you imagine making that movie today?

[1540] No. Yeah, no, page 73, because it's the middle of act two.

[1541] And any writer out there knows that the middle of the second act is the Sahara of creativity.

[1542] That's like, that's when you're, you're like, alone with your thoughts and you're like, fuck, we got to get to the ending.

[1543] Someone's got to get naked.

[1544] Someone's got to get naked.

[1545] And usually it would have been me. How many times did you show your butt in a movie?

[1546] Too many.

[1547] How many?

[1548] If you get a guess.

[1549] It was the 80s.

[1550] It's what we did.

[1551] That's what we did.

[1552] It was my job.

[1553] This was 90s.

[1554] That movie was like 90s.

[1555] It was right at the end, yeah.

[1556] I was in Hollywood.

[1557] I was living here, so I moved here in 94, so that was, that had to be like 95, right?

[1558] 97.

[1559] Oh, there you go.

[1560] This was also the era where Coke was openly sold on sets.

[1561] Really?

[1562] Oh, yeah.

[1563] Wow.

[1564] Sure.

[1565] Wow.

[1566] It was either the camera department or the press.

[1567] Prop department.

[1568] Makes more sense to be the prop department.

[1569] And their job is to go and get shit for you, right?

[1570] Yeah.

[1571] Makes sense.

[1572] You know, when we did outsiders, we were kids, you know, Cruz and me and Matt Dillon and all, this way, all, everybody were, we were young.

[1573] I was 17.

[1574] Whoa.

[1575] 17, turning 18 and see Thomas Howell, who played Pony Boy, the lead in the movie, was 15.

[1576] And when we would finish shooting, we'd get in the vans to get driven back to the hotel.

[1577] And there would be as much beer as you wanted.

[1578] He's 15.

[1579] Wow.

[1580] As much beer as you wanted.

[1581] And that's a studio movie.

[1582] Look at you guys.

[1583] Wait, wait.

[1584] Can you pull that photo up to see our feet?

[1585] Is that possible?

[1586] Because that feet, there it is.

[1587] It's down there.

[1588] Okay, look at Swayze.

[1589] He's standing on bricks.

[1590] Who's feet?

[1591] He wanted to be taller.

[1592] Isn't that great?

[1593] Swayze is standing on bricks in the back of that.

[1594] Oh, that's hilarious.

[1595] Isn't that great?

[1596] That's hilarious.

[1597] That's my favorite things.

[1598] Speaking of Swayzee Roadhouse, that's another horrible movie that's amazing.

[1599] But people, yeah, people love that movie.

[1600] Oh, it's great.

[1601] It's fucking great.

[1602] It's great.

[1603] He's a bouncer?

[1604] Yeah.

[1605] Yeah, he's the baddest bouncer.

[1606] And that's part of the thing.

[1607] He's like, I thought you were going to be bigger.

[1608] Remember that?

[1609] That's like one of the lines of the movie because he's a legendary bouncer that they bring in to fix really bad honky tunks.

[1610] The bad problems at the door.

[1611] Yeah.

[1612] It's an, it's an, uh, pandemic of people trying to get in the VIPs.

[1613] He grabs someone's neck and pulls their throat out in the movie.

[1614] I mean, it's so good.

[1615] Pain don't hurt.

[1616] That's actual line in the movie, pain don't hurt.

[1617] Those 80s lines are so good.

[1618] Oh, so good.

[1619] That's such a great one because he's so beautiful.

[1620] Such a beautiful man. Swayze was in Adonis.

[1621] He was in Adonis.

[1622] He would, he tried to get us to put that Godforsaken song.

[1623] She's like the Wind in Youngblood.

[1624] We were like, there it is.

[1625] He pulls the throat out.

[1626] Oh, he pulls the guy's throat out.

[1627] And then he hits him with the worst spinning back kick ever in the butt.

[1628] Watch, he pulls his throat out and look at this.

[1629] I like, poya!

[1630] It's so bad.

[1631] That's such a bad kick.

[1632] You probably blew his ACL out doing that.

[1633] It's so stupid.

[1634] He was the best, man. Did he was the most, he might be the most intense guy I ever work with.

[1635] Really?

[1636] Yeah, yeah.

[1637] He'd be up all night writing and like doing body weight, push -ups with his feet up against a wall all night long and then show up at this set having not slept and wanting you to hear his new demo and he was like a lot it was great it was great but no I remember I remember she's like the wind and I was like I don't know how that fits in a we're making a hockey movie bro I don't know how that that fits in the hockey movie why did you want that in there and then sure enough um what dirty dancing comes out and that movie's in it and goes to number one.

[1638] Oh, well, yeah.

[1639] But that movie.

[1640] Okay, that was a good movie.

[1641] Dirty Dancing?

[1642] Yeah, that was a great movie.

[1643] That was a great movie.

[1644] Ghost is his best movie.

[1645] That's a great movie.

[1646] That's a great movie.

[1647] Great movie.

[1648] He did a point break was a great movie.

[1649] Great movie.

[1650] He did some great movies.

[1651] Yeah, he's a...

[1652] Keanu was in Youngblood, but I thought he was French, I thought he was a French Canadian goalie.

[1653] Really?

[1654] Yeah, I didn't know he was an actor.

[1655] I thought, I literally thought he was, we hired this amazing French Canadian goalie.

[1656] I can't believe how young you guys were.

[1657] I know.

[1658] That's so crazy that they were giving you booze.

[1659] Look at Keanu's face.

[1660] It's exactly the same as it is now.

[1661] That's John Wick.

[1662] Here he is.

[1663] That's John fucking Wick.

[1664] Shout out to Plast to sell.

[1665] John, how great is John Wick?

[1666] I love those movies, right?

[1667] Love those movies.

[1668] Love them.

[1669] I love those movies.

[1670] What's all the crazy gun training that people do?

[1671] Tarrant Tactical.

[1672] I go there.

[1673] Dude, it's badass, right?

[1674] Do you want to go?

[1675] I do.

[1676] I'll bring you.

[1677] I would love to do that.

[1678] Okay, let's go.

[1679] I go there all the time.

[1680] Really?

[1681] Yeah, I go there like once a week.

[1682] Really?

[1683] Yeah.

[1684] Oh, I'm in.

[1685] Yeah, it's, well, it's good to learn how to shoot a gun properly if you're going to own guns.

[1686] But, I mean, Taryn, he's the best.

[1687] Well, I, I shoot regularly.

[1688] But I, you know, you can't do any of that tactical stuff unless you're on a tactical range, obviously.

[1689] And you really want to do it with someone like Taryn who can actually show you how to do it.

[1690] really correctly.

[1691] So, I mean, I'm on the range all the time, but I'm never, it's very, very hard.

[1692] I'd love to get the tactical.

[1693] That's the great thing about, here's the thing I learned about guns.

[1694] It was hilarious is that when I was learning how to shoot properly, I was shooting like an actor because you have to supply the kick.

[1695] Oh, right, right, right, right.

[1696] So all my experience with guns is playing guys who have guns.

[1697] But blanks have a kick.

[1698] But it's not like a real good.

[1699] So like, you want to make it look good in the movies.

[1700] You want to give it that.

[1701] that little thing so I would get out of the range and I would be doing all my acting shit it'd be like getting in a fight and purposely missing you by three inches I know how to a movie fight right right right like I'd fight you but I'd miss you on purpose it's the same with with weapons training oh yeah well you'd have to get that out of your system he would get that out of you quick it's Keanu goes there he's there all the time I mean you'd have to I would think if you're John Wick you better stay facile.

[1702] Yes.

[1703] Well, that's where he learned.

[1704] Yeah.

[1705] Yeah, I see those, they're on YouTube, those famous videos where the timer.

[1706] Yeah.

[1707] Yeah, I'll see one.

[1708] And you've got to get through all of the...

[1709] Mm -hmm.

[1710] Okay.

[1711] I mean.

[1712] Oh, look at him.

[1713] Look at him.

[1714] Look at him.

[1715] Look at him.

[1716] There it is.

[1717] Dude, he's such a badass.

[1718] He's a beast, man. He's really good at that shit.

[1719] Look at him.

[1720] I have an entire section in my phone that just says guns look at him oh that shoulder hurts that shotgun it doesn't it's not that bad it's not that bad at all how about that tactical one they have oh boy he's shooting dummies from like two inches away who's is that laura croft behind him um no there's a bunch of really hot girls that taren has that he teaches it's really that's hallie bairn what she got behind her That's Hallie Berry, bro.

[1721] Jeez.

[1722] What's that, Jamie?

[1723] It's a new one?

[1724] I just clicked on a different video.

[1725] Yeah, because she's in, I just sent you one.

[1726] Because she's in John Wick, two.

[1727] Oh, three.

[1728] She's in three.

[1729] Is two the best one?

[1730] I like one.

[1731] One's my favorite.

[1732] Yeah, because, first of all, I don't, I love three, but there's no muscle cars, Chad.

[1733] Hey, Chad, put the fucking muscle cars back in, bro.

[1734] Yeah, exactly.

[1735] Doink, doink.

[1736] it's fun see he teaches you how to do it it teaches you correct form and all the look at this yeah it's fun me and my buddy Tom Segura we go there all the time I'm in it's so fun it's fun to learn and it's you know it's a valuable education and the fact that he's right here that he's in in California it's amazing and you can shoot rifles there and he's got ranges for long range stuff it's got all kinds of stuff there Anything active I'm in.

[1737] I mean, like, I'm the guy that always says yes to everything, hence why the Oscars.

[1738] I'll say it's like, like my default answer is yes.

[1739] But that's also, by the way, why I think that I've managed to navigate so many changing currents in the industry.

[1740] Because I don't get stuck.

[1741] Right.

[1742] In one place.

[1743] Like when I went on the West Wing, like that was, it's hard to think now.

[1744] But in those days, TV was still considered like a lesser medium.

[1745] Really was.

[1746] Oh, yeah.

[1747] Oh, that's.

[1748] right yeah people would get upset well he's a TV star yeah I don't do TV yeah all that stuff yeah um I remember a garage did said that to me when I was on a TV show she's like I want to do film I'm like mm okay I mean it was a real thing it was a real perception and now it's it's you know obviously everybody wants to do it but well now it's Netflix is actually better than film because now you could be on a show like Ozark where it's just great fuck so great but it's like a film every week and it's concurrently keeps going and Jason's a stud man he's so good he's such a stud he's so good as an actor but he's so good as a writer and a director like everything he that show is so goddamn good I knew him when he was on the little house on the prairie oh Jesus I forgot about that oh my god he was on that he was on the little house in the prairie he's so good which just goes to show you you never know no you never know you don't know no you never do you never I mean well humans are versatile right like just because someone does want, you know, like, there's so many people that you think, like, oh, that guy's a this.

[1749] And then he winds up being this amazing musician.

[1750] You're like, how?

[1751] What?

[1752] Mm -hmm.

[1753] Like, well, humans are versatile, you know?

[1754] And it takes people sometimes to, even within their lane, it takes them sometimes a while to find what they're, like, really, really special at.

[1755] Right.

[1756] Yeah.

[1757] Yeah.

[1758] Yeah.

[1759] He's really, really special with that.

[1760] Like, I, I, for me, as I've tried to do it, look at him.

[1761] Whoa.

[1762] Look at how cute he is.

[1763] That's him?

[1764] Look at that little button.

[1765] Look at him.

[1766] Could he be any cuter?

[1767] Couldn't.

[1768] Still got the same hair.

[1769] Basically does.

[1770] Man, you're talking about a guy who's been around a long fucking time.

[1771] Yeah, he knows what's what.

[1772] God damn.

[1773] He knows the lay of the land.

[1774] We're fucking Michael Landon.

[1775] Come on.

[1776] Yeah.

[1777] Was Michael Landon?

[1778] Aquaman.

[1779] Patrick Duffy.

[1780] Patrick Duffy was on.

[1781] Man from Atlantis.

[1782] Man from Atlantis.

[1783] I saw the first thing, dude, the first time I ever saw something being filmed in California.

[1784] I had just come out from Ohio.

[1785] It was 1976.

[1786] Whoa.

[1787] And the traffic was all blocked off at the Malibu Pier.

[1788] And I got out of my, and I saw the lights.

[1789] It was in the daytime.

[1790] It was so long ago, they still had lights for daytime shooting.

[1791] And they were about to do a stuff.

[1792] where Patrick Duffy is the man from Atlantis was going to jump off the Malibu Pier and I was so fucking excited I used to try to swim like him because remember the man from Atlanta he was swim like a porpoise and my favorite thing was what made him from Atlantis was this part of his body had a web yes this is it right here that was all I had and couldn't he breathe underwater he could breathe underwater but this made that was all they could afford the special effects a webbing between his thumb and four I'm so into Atlanta.

[1793] I'm not a big Atlantis guy anywhere.

[1794] Are you really?

[1795] Oh, yeah.

[1796] Fuck, I love it.

[1797] I'm trying to figure out where it was.

[1798] They think they found it.

[1799] They think they found something that represents exactly what the depictions of Atlantis were, like these rings, concentric rings.

[1800] They think that there's some place, oh, God, I want to say, like, I want to say off Spain, off the coast of Spain.

[1801] But isn't our guy Graham saying that basically Atlantis was the pre -existing civilization and it was not.

[1802] an island or one place it was all of it yeah yeah that's what they think but you know it's all speculation but whatever it was you know there's there's so many different versions of that so many different versions of this like spectacular seaport civilization that was destroyed in the flood like um the flood of the bible like noah's arc there's also there's a an ancient story called the epic of gilgamesh yes of course yeah and that in that story is a very similar story about a flood.

[1803] And this is one of the things that Graham Hancock points to that there's all these civilizations that talk about.

[1804] But had no interaction with each other in theory, and yet they all have the same oral histories.

[1805] I did a show with my boys called The Low Files, and it was basically, it was an excuse for my boys and I to run around in a souped up raptor around the country and explore urban Legends.

[1806] Oh, wow.

[1807] And it was Anthony Bourdain meets Scooby -Doo.

[1808] It was a fucking dream come true.

[1809] That sounds awesome.

[1810] It was a dream come true.

[1811] What network was this for?

[1812] A &E.

[1813] They were great that they let us do it, but it couldn't have been a worse fit.

[1814] When they put us with ancient aliens for one night, we blew the roof off the place.

[1815] Really?

[1816] And we got to look for the wood ape.

[1817] We got to look for Bigfoot.

[1818] We did poltergeist.

[1819] The low file.

[1820] See if you can find the opening credits for the low files.

[1821] It's one of my proudest moments.

[1822] What year is this?

[1823] Like four years ago?

[1824] Let's see if they had it.

[1825] Give me some volume on this.

[1826] Loved spooky legends and scary mysteries.

[1827] Are we going to get in trouble for using blue ice to cult?

[1828] Wait, Joe didn't see my homage.

[1829] The very, very end, my homage to Hawaii 50.

[1830] It's the very last 30 seconds of the clip.

[1831] You have to see it because I'm sure you remember this great shot.

[1832] from Jack Lord's credits in the NFLI -5 -0.

[1833] It's right at the end.

[1834] Go over from here, right here, watch.

[1835] Here comes.

[1836] Did you remember that shot in the balcony?

[1837] I do.

[1838] I did that like you did it.

[1839] That's hilarious.

[1840] I designed that whole credit sequence.

[1841] I got the song.

[1842] I did the whole, it's one of my favorite things I've done.

[1843] Blue Oyster Cold.

[1844] Don't Fear the Reaper.

[1845] It's best.

[1846] It's a great fucking song.

[1847] So what are the subjects?

[1848] You went for Bigfoot?

[1849] We did Bigfoot twice.

[1850] We did Bigfoot up in Northern California in Walnut Creek, the family.

[1851] Oh, wow.

[1852] The Patterson Giblin film was shot.

[1853] We did the, turns out the wood ape of Arkansas, Oklahoma is the most active place.

[1854] And that was where we really, where we had some really radical experiences where I heard stuff.

[1855] You heard stuff?

[1856] Oh, yeah, I heard, like, lip popping, like, like, and like, like, like, like, like, like, like, Chest beating.

[1857] Really?

[1858] Like, you really think it was real?

[1859] I heard chest beating.

[1860] I don't know.

[1861] You know, who made a great fucking Bigfoot movie?

[1862] Bobcat Goldway.

[1863] What?

[1864] Yep.

[1865] He made a great Bigfoot movie.

[1866] Come on.

[1867] It's scary Bigfoot movie.

[1868] What is it called again?

[1869] Do you remember?

[1870] Willow Creek.

[1871] Oh, yeah.

[1872] Yeah.

[1873] Did you remember, you ever seen?

[1874] Okay, what is this?

[1875] He did it like Blair Witch style.

[1876] I'm writing that down.

[1877] I love that.

[1878] It's fucking good, man. We had a great time, and it's all these, we went with all these guys who are like real legit people.

[1879] They're like regular people and they spend their time out in the woods and they know how many are out there and it's fucking, it was crazy.

[1880] Matthew, my youngest son's through the thermal imaging saw him hiding, like doing the thing with a high behind the tree.

[1881] So you really think the Bigfoot's real?

[1882] I don't know.

[1883] I mean, here's the thing, like I, like the slogan for the low files was it's more fun to believe.

[1884] It definitely is more fun to believe.

[1885] And that's really where I come down on.

[1886] It's like, I don't have a dog in the fight, but it's way more fucking fun.

[1887] For sure.

[1888] Way more fun.

[1889] I want it to be...

[1890] I want Bigfoot to be real.

[1891] I've always wanted it to be real.

[1892] The problem is the people looking at it also want it to be real.

[1893] Yes.

[1894] They're trying so hard.

[1895] They see shadows.

[1896] They think that are Bigfoot.

[1897] There's some interesting things.

[1898] There's some interesting things in terms of, like, dermal ridges they found on footprints.

[1899] And there's also...

[1900] And there's a lot of hair samples and shit they come back and they don't know where what they got them from.

[1901] Not really.

[1902] Really?

[1903] See, yeah, I looked into that.

[1904] Oh, tell me out of that.

[1905] I did a show called Joe Rogan Questions Everything for sci -fi.

[1906] And me and my buddy Duncan went up to the Pacific Northwest.

[1907] And we brought stuff to real biologists, and we actually had samples analyzed.

[1908] They're all bare.

[1909] And then when they say that there's some human or primate DNA, it's always contaminated.

[1910] It's like the chain of custody between the actual piece of hair and getting into the lab is always contaminated.

[1911] Right, yeah.

[1912] There's no one just stops.

[1913] No, it's next to their granola bars and their backpacks that are hiking out, yeah.

[1914] If you touch something, you get your sweat on it and it could show up as human DNA or animal DNA mixed with human DNA.

[1915] It's the problem is the people that are into it.

[1916] The real problem is they want to believe so fucking bad that they just have this crazy confirmation bias.

[1917] And they only look at the good things.

[1918] Well, my favorite episodes of the low files were the ones that we didn't find shit.

[1919] They were my favorite.

[1920] Just having fun.

[1921] Because it's just a dad and two idiot kids, you know, having a blast.

[1922] The thing about Bigfoot that's interesting is Native Americans had more than a hundred different names for that animal.

[1923] Yes.

[1924] And they don't have names for other mythical creatures.

[1925] And then on top of that, there was an actual animal called the Gigantapithecus.

[1926] And it was a huge ape -like creature that stood on two legs and walked up right and was probably some sort of looked like orangutan -like.

[1927] It probably looked exactly like what we think of as Bigfoot.

[1928] It was an actual real animal.

[1929] Have you ever seen the images of that?

[1930] I have, and it's funny, there's the deep connection between Native Americans and that legend is really, really profound.

[1931] Like, I've had, in one of the episodes that we did, we talk with some of the elders, and they will say, no, I, one reached through the window and touched my chest.

[1932] And it's like, you're like, this guy's not crazy.

[1933] There's not a, I'm not talking to a crazy person.

[1934] Right, but they also have peyote.

[1935] Native Americans have other shit That's true Would let you see Bigfoot Maybe that's the thing Like you only see Bigfoot Bigfoot's real But he's interdimensional You only see him when you're on drugs That could happen That absolutely could be real Like if you get on the right psychedelics You'll meet aliens Well it's funny You know as a sober guy There's part of me that wishes Because I liked mushrooms But only like once or twice a year Because it's so fucking fun And you get like you said You get all that stuff going Yeah But I did them last week How was it Did you laugh a lot?

[1936] Because all I did was laugh.

[1937] Post Malone and I did a podcast.

[1938] We did mushrooms.

[1939] Oh, my God.

[1940] Yeah, we had a good old time.

[1941] How long were you tripping?

[1942] Well, the podcast was four hours long, and we were drinking, too.

[1943] So it was like just madness.

[1944] It was all just like mushrooms.

[1945] I could feel the mushrooms.

[1946] I was getting high, too.

[1947] He wasn't smoking pot, but we were drinking bud lights, and it was a lot of chaos.

[1948] This is like exactly what my 80s were like.

[1949] But I think about people go and do ayahuas.

[1950] and do those those I that really appeals to me that's different in that you know you could call it a drug but it's DMT which is what ayahuasca brings up right that's what it's the active ingredient you're still you you're not drunk that's what's weird about it well I don't know what it is but if you wanted to get real woo woo you would call it some sort of a chemical gateway into another dimension or to another realm that you can't access without it it doesn't seem like a drug.

[1951] But how is it not any different than I got stoned and I saw crazy shit?

[1952] Well, first of all, it's endogenous, right?

[1953] So your brain actually has this chemical inside of it.

[1954] It's one of the more interesting things about this drug is that your body knows how to process it so well.

[1955] Like, if you do coke, right?

[1956] Like, I'm sure you're coked up for a long time, right?

[1957] Your body's all fucked up for a long time.

[1958] Dimethyl tryptomy only lasts like 15 minutes.

[1959] What?

[1960] Yeah, your body recognizes what it is.

[1961] So it brings you back to baseline, very, very, very.

[1962] quickly.

[1963] So if you do this, it's a 15 -minute experience?

[1964] Yeah, the ayahuasca takes longer because ayahuasca is an orally active version of it.

[1965] So what ayahuasca is, is the roots of one plant and the leaves of the other.

[1966] So you have DMT in one plant, and then the other plant, you have something called an MAO inhibitor.

[1967] M .A .O. is monoamine oxidase, and that's produced by your gut to break down dimethythotomyin and a bunch of other chemicals.

[1968] But it breaks down dimethythlethyptamine because dimethyltryptamines in a bunch of different plants.

[1969] So you could trip just eating phalaris grass if you didn't have monoamine oxidase in your gut.

[1970] So when you eat this grass, if you ate the grass, nothing would happen because your body would break it down.

[1971] But if you had an MAO inhibitor, then you would trip balls.

[1972] Well, and then the other thing that people talk about is like, I vomited for five hours.

[1973] Yeah, that's the problem with ayahuasca.

[1974] You're going to blow your asshole out.

[1975] You're going to diarrhea throw up.

[1976] It's disgusting stuff.

[1977] You know, I don't want to do that.

[1978] It's also because you're getting the plant, you're getting all the, the stuff that's, you know, not the active ingredient from these roots and these leaves, too.

[1979] And then also, your body's freaking out.

[1980] What did you, have you ever had any, um, awakening or vision or?

[1981] I've had a lot of visions on dimethylptamine.

[1982] Yeah.

[1983] Anything that you could, that you, once you got, um, once you were done tripping, that didn't seem like the ramblings of a madman or was there stuff like?

[1984] were like, oh, wow, I had a revelation.

[1985] It's hard to say that all seem impossible to describe to anybody else other than people that have experienced it.

[1986] But what it does make you realize is that how, the thing that I always felt when I came back is like, how is this possible that you could go to a place like this?

[1987] Or you could see something that's way more vivid and way more powerful than regular life.

[1988] like whatever it is it's not it's it's not like it's it's dull and confusing and you feel drugged and you feel less you know you feel more you see more it's more vibrant it's more powerful and whatever is over there seems to know you it seems to understand it seems to be you're communicating with something something that's far more intelligent than you far more advanced and not hindered by all of the things that we're hindered by like our egos and our our nonsense and our insecurities and our civilization and culture it's like it's it's some sort of other kind of consciousness you know and and and it's they they joke about things they they make fun of you like one time i did it and uh all these gestures like this uh like a like a a a metric pattern of gestures like a fractal like infinite gestures were giving me the finger like this fuck you like mocking me and the message that i got was that i was taking myself too seriously like maybe even like while like my intentions going into the trip i was taking myself too seriously and i remember relaxing on oh okay and they're like that's right like they're nodding their head like yes like it was a message like hey stupid You know, you take yourself too seriously.

[1989] Fuck you.

[1990] Fuck you.

[1991] I like, fuck you.

[1992] And it was gestures, like with a hat and everything.

[1993] So in your life now, like, let's say you are stressing out about something as very seriously.

[1994] You do the fractal gestures.

[1995] Do you remember them?

[1996] And go, oh, yeah.

[1997] I had this.

[1998] Very, very.

[1999] But you know what I mean?

[2000] Like, like, you bring something back that you can practically use in your, this dimension, this time?

[2001] Humility.

[2002] There's a humility that comes from real psychedelic experiences that.

[2003] you just because you know that they are possible it's it makes you it makes you second guess the significance of regular existence because it seems like the whatever that like that might be where you go when you die okay i was waiting for the yeah i was waiting for the moment so i don't know if that's what it is here's i because i don't do drugs but um i've been meditating a bunch and that's one of the things that people have been telling me for years to do all the people that i had admire meditation is a part of their lives and I've every time I do it I just go to sleep or I start thinking about shit that I can't control but I've recently started doing it it's really been amazing and I've definitely noticed some changes and it's also affected the quality of my dreams and I you're familiar with vivid dreaming sure right so lucid be lucid lucid dreaming vivid yeah so I've had a number of them and I had I had done some meditating on I don't mean to overstate it but like what is it all about right right sure everybody wants to know that it sounds cliche yeah and so I did that and then I had a I had a a lucid dream that night and then a lucid dream I went to that place and it was it looked like it looked like the like Avatar you know like the James Camp it like it was like or a fern gully it was like or like Hawaii with the waterfalls and the rainbows and and I was flying.

[2004] But I was me, but I wasn't me, right?

[2005] I didn't have a body, but I could think.

[2006] And it was, it was, I was definitely me. And the surroundings were so, and the feeling was so full of euphoria and love.

[2007] Like I started weep, like weep sobbing of happiness.

[2008] and then I then all of a sudden the voice went oh but what about my family I'm here now and they're not here yet because it was it was sort of the theory was that I had gone to heaven or whatever the fuck it was and here's the freaky part is I realized no no they're already there because time is not linear so here my takeaway from this dream my ramblings of a madman where we're already there well you're Your brain does produce psychedelic chemicals while you're sleeping.

[2009] That's one of the things about DMT that's so closely related to dreams is that it's really hard to remember after it's over, but so vivid when it's happening.

[2010] This I remember, like, and I remember it now, like I witnessed it.

[2011] And that's what made it different and special.

[2012] Maybe the improvement in the way your brain was working because of the meditation that you'd gotten yourself into a state where you could access it.

[2013] But I think.

[2014] And I physically asked for it before I went to bed.

[2015] No, I actively, I actively...

[2016] Have you done it again since?

[2017] I have and I haven't had...

[2018] I've had smaller fleeting versions of this, but this was like starring in a movie.

[2019] It was like, it was happening.

[2020] I think James Cameron nailed something in that Avatar film that resonates with people in a very strange way, not just that it was an awesome movie, and it was a fucking awesome movie, but that he nailed something that made people want to live like that.

[2021] You know, there was a thing they were talking about after that movie called Avatar Depression where people were leaving the film and they were depressed that their life was nothing like Avatar, like Pandora, like Pandora, that's it.

[2022] Yeah, there was something about what he nailed.

[2023] He nailed something in that movie where it's like this spiritual connection.

[2024] It was very ayahuasca -like, too.

[2025] There's this connection to Mother Earth and nature and spirits and the connection of all of them.

[2026] There's something about that film.

[2027] He hit some nerve with people.

[2028] I've never heard of another film generating depression that, you know, there's no Star Wars depression.

[2029] Other than when you see some of the ones that have recently come out.

[2030] Yeah, that's depressing.

[2031] That's what happens when the executives get a hold of it.

[2032] And they go, hey, you've got to go to Cuba and grab the people and put them in.

[2033] in the boat.

[2034] That's right.

[2035] And then they listen.

[2036] That's right.

[2037] That's exactly right.

[2038] That's exactly what happens.

[2039] But, you know, James Cameron's such a force of nature.

[2040] You can't really do that to him.

[2041] He figured something out in those movies.

[2042] He figured out how to tap into some sort of elemental area of the psyche that people, it just resonated with people.

[2043] Like, sort of the same way, I think, you know, people that talk about folks that live like a subsistence life, you know, people that have gone to the woods and they just live off the land.

[2044] They talk about this like deep connection to nature that they get from that and how it makes them feel fulfilled.

[2045] They don't feel depressed.

[2046] They feel very engaged.

[2047] And, you know, there's a guy named Heimo.

[2048] He lives in the Arctic and Vice did this whole series on him called the Heinmo's Arctic Adventure.

[2049] And one of the things that he was saying is he came out there, like in the 1970s to work for the Forestry Department and they just live there for the rest of his life.

[2050] He's up there right now with his family.

[2051] He's married to this indigenous woman and they live off the land.

[2052] He eats caribou and fish and his whole life is like hunting and gathering but he's like this is how people are supposed to and he's a very intelligent man very articulate so when you hear him talk he's not some weirdo that lives in the woods he's a guy who recognizes like there's something about this that resonates with humans this life this like being you're you're connected in the way that you're supposed to be and he thinks that what we've done by creating cities and electricity and electronics and you know social media and all the bullshit that we deal with today that we've disconnected ourselves from the things that that really make us human.

[2053] Yeah.

[2054] And that...

[2055] I believe that.

[2056] His life is more connected to it.

[2057] But there's even a deeper connection, and that's how the Navi lived.

[2058] And, you know, if you read about...

[2059] There's many stories about Native Americans where they would, especially the Comanche, would kidnap people.

[2060] They would kidnap, like, young children.

[2061] Oh, that great book.

[2062] Which one?

[2063] Under the Harvest Moon.

[2064] Oh, okay.

[2065] Hoof.

[2066] Do yourself a favor.

[2067] I will.

[2068] I will.

[2069] Empire of the Summer Moon was one that I'm talking about.

[2070] That's the one.

[2071] Sorry.

[2072] Oh, okay.

[2073] Yeah, same one.

[2074] Yeah.

[2075] About, yeah, Cynthia Ann Parker.

[2076] Yeah.

[2077] Yes.

[2078] There's one of my favorite books.

[2079] There's a photo of her out there in the lobby.

[2080] That's who that is.

[2081] That's Cynthia and Parker with a child.

[2082] Yeah.

[2083] Yeah.

[2084] That's Kwanna Parker.

[2085] That's her son.

[2086] That guy over there on the one that's made out of bullet shells.

[2087] That's one of my favorite books ever.

[2088] It's fucking amazing.

[2089] It's amazing.

[2090] And that's one of the things they said is that she did not want to go back to Western civilization.

[2091] She's like, you guys live like idiots.

[2092] Like, this is a bullshit way to live.

[2093] There's something about that movie that tapped in.

[2094] to that, but also tapped into this, like, spiritual realm that exists in psychedelics.

[2095] Cameron fucking nailed it, man. He nailed, and a lot of people like, oh, that one is just, no. No, no, I'd love to.

[2096] He's the great, first of all, he's the most humble.

[2097] I've never worked with him, but my, my dear, dear, dear friend who passed away a few years ago, Bill Paxton.

[2098] I loved that guy.

[2099] He's the best.

[2100] He was one of my best friends.

[2101] And he's, he and Jim were in Roger Corman's production mill.

[2102] together.

[2103] They were both like stand by painters.

[2104] So he's been in every Jim Cameron movie ever, ever made.

[2105] And he introduced me to Jim.

[2106] And there was a minute where I was going to play the Billy Zane part in Titanic.

[2107] And the, Jim is, he's like, there's no one like him.

[2108] There's literally nobody like him.

[2109] The fucking guy went to the bottom of the ocean.

[2110] So Bill and he went to, Bill's like, God damn Jim's taking me down to the Titanic.

[2111] I'm going next Thursday.

[2112] day and and they went down to the Titanic they had lunch on the deck at a fucking Titanic what yeah oh my god and then bill came up and everybody was like ashen faced and freaking out and 9 -11 had happened whoa bill paxton was on the deck of the titanic when 9 -11 happened with jim cameron is that crazy oh my god that's insane insane that's insane but i'm dying to see these new avatar movies.

[2113] I know.

[2114] When are they supposed to happen?

[2115] I mean, everything's all fucked up now because of COVID, right?

[2116] Yeah, I heard they keep getting pushed and pushed and pushed, but you know, he's bet the farm on them.

[2117] I mean, he's the one guy, he's the guy.

[2118] Like, there are very few people that could get me to go to a movie theater anymore.

[2119] Yeah, I'd do anything for that guy's movies.

[2120] Maybe Chris Nolan, maybe.

[2121] Yeah, but for sure, but for sure James Cameron.

[2122] Bill Paxton was in one of the most underrated vampire movies of all time.

[2123] Yeah.

[2124] After dark.

[2125] After dark.

[2126] Remember that?

[2127] He's great, that's a movie.

[2128] People don't, they don't remember that.

[2129] That was a fucking great vampire movie.

[2130] He's a...

[2131] Budget.

[2132] One billion.

[2133] Shit.

[2134] Only Bill, I mean, only James Caravan.

[2135] But that's for three movies, too.

[2136] But still, by the way, it'll make a billion dollars within six months.

[2137] The first one.

[2138] And maybe even streaming, it might make a billion dollars.

[2139] Like, even if it came out today.

[2140] Best deal in the world.

[2141] Yeah.

[2142] I love, I hate to say this because I love movies, and I do love going to the movie theater.

[2143] But the fucking consequences of going to the movie theater of dealing with people, like people that are texting or talking.

[2144] No, I won't do it.

[2145] That's what drove me out of the movie theaters was the glow of people's phones.

[2146] When that started, I was out.

[2147] Well, people talking, too.

[2148] It's so annoying.

[2149] But when people are not annoying, like, you know, the nine out of ten times, it's fucking amazing because you feel the energy of all the other people, especially a comedy.

[2150] Oh, yeah.

[2151] Like, I remember I went to see.

[2152] Team America World Police.

[2153] Oh, my God.

[2154] With me, my friend Eddie Bravo, and a bunch of other friends, we were baked out of our fucking mind, and we went to see that in a crowd at theater.

[2155] We were dying, and everyone was dying.

[2156] There was so many people laughing.

[2157] It was like being in a comedy club, the energy of all the other people in the film.

[2158] Borat.

[2159] Borat was the last one for me. It was like that, where the minute the credits started with the, e, I, eh, I, music in it, I was, the whole, was one of my favorite, but Team America, come on.

[2160] Oh my God, yeah, those guys, those guys are national treasures.

[2161] They're national treasures.

[2162] They're still, they're one of the one groups of people that can avoid cancel culture because their creations are these things that aren't even people, these like weird little cartoons, so you can kill them, they can, they can say outrageous shit, they can do everything they want.

[2163] Like, they're, they're, it's like the perfect vehicle for mocking culture.

[2164] You've seen that great YouTube clip or they're in the recording studio, they're in the recording booth yes yes and they're in they're doing the what is it probably like six days or something like that it's so good it's i've never met them they're it's funny it's like they're awesome though what i love is having people still at this point of my life that i'm huge fan of that i haven't met because and then i hope one day better that way keep them well you know where it's really like that for me is people i don't like because as a sports fan i you got to have villains right so like I remember not wanting to meet Larry Bird because I'm a Lakers fan.

[2165] And I don't, and I never wanted to meet.

[2166] Really who I really didn't want to meet was Danny Aange.

[2167] And of course I met him and it was fucking awesome.

[2168] And I'm like, fuck.

[2169] Like, who am I going to hate now?

[2170] As a comic, it's a real problem because if you meet someone, you really like him, you can't make fun of them anymore.

[2171] I got met Jenny McCarthy once and she was so nice.

[2172] I had to cut her out of my act.

[2173] Oh, no. I had a bit about her where, They said she was going to take her breast implants out.

[2174] And I said, that's like Tiger Woods chopping his fucking arms off.

[2175] I go, put them back in and make them bigger and no talking.

[2176] And it was so mean.

[2177] But then I met her, and she was so nice.

[2178] You know that great story.

[2179] Spade tells about he did that, you know, he used to do the Hollywood Minute on Weekend Update.

[2180] It was the meanest, funniest thing we'd make fun of celebrities.

[2181] And at one point, you know, we all have down times in our career.

[2182] It's an honor to have a fallow time in your career because it means you've been around.

[2183] Yeah, sure.

[2184] And Eddie Murphy had been in a fallow time.

[2185] And Spade in the middle of a update had Eddie Murphy's picture come up on the screen.

[2186] He went, oh, look, kids, a falling star.

[2187] And within five minutes, the phone was ringing on Studio 8H.

[2188] And it was Eddie.

[2189] Oh, my God.

[2190] For Spade.

[2191] Oh, my God.

[2192] Yeah.

[2193] I mean, I'm telling a story that only because Spade.

[2194] publicly tells it and it's amazing but like what did any murphy say to him he was he went fucking nuts but spade the spade tells a great story of like trying to avoid the call and like running and ducking from i mean you know spade is like a tiny little will of the wisp he's so small right yeah you got that's the thing is like you know yeah you got it's good to keep some people at a distance so you can continue to root against them let's face it yeah well my friend Bill Burr was talking about that the other day.

[2195] He was on his podcast he does with Burke Kreischer.

[2196] And they were talking about meeting a president.

[2197] He goes, I don't want to meet a president.

[2198] He goes, then he can't make fun of him.

[2199] He was talking about his bit about Michelle Obama.

[2200] And he has this amazing bit about Michelle Obama.

[2201] And, you know, and he's like, if I met her, I couldn't do that bit.

[2202] Yeah.

[2203] It's right.

[2204] He couldn't.

[2205] He'd feel bad.

[2206] You'd feel like, oh, I'm throwing her under the bus.

[2207] She's a nice lady.

[2208] That's why Spade stopped doing Hollywood Minute.

[2209] you just couldn't do it anymore and it was like a big big deal big big franchise of weekend update yeah yeah that's part of the problem but it's you know it is it is what it is that's right and also somebody was telling me um that we're with emoji culture and text culture that our that our language our language has changed forever for sure because now no one cares about punctuation i mean it's just no one cares does not look down upon it It isn't a sign of lack of education anymore.

[2210] It has no pejorative attached to it.

[2211] And I was sort of bemoaning that.

[2212] And somebody said, no, no, no. The point of language is for it to evolve and to become, for it to evolve and to become, for lack of a better, better.

[2213] And what, if you read the letters from the Civil War, right, those great, like, flowery, beautiful.

[2214] full that like the most, you know, like a private in the army would write.

[2215] Right.

[2216] Now today, the private in the army is sending a three second text, but that's progress because it actually requires less time.

[2217] You get the same information and it's, you haven't had to go through the time and effort of the other.

[2218] At least that was the theory that somebody was telling you.

[2219] It made me feel better about it.

[2220] I don't know if that theory is correct.

[2221] That's like saying that people who.

[2222] read texts all day and they read tweets and bullshit nonsense on social media that's better than reading books because I don't think it's true but it's probably not it's just easier it's probably not I'm just trying to feel better about culture today I'm hopeful about the culture today but there's more challenges there's more information more things so there's more challenges but I don't think that's necessarily bad it's just you're gonna you're still have brilliant people you're just gonna have It's easier to be a moron today and survive.

[2223] You know, back in the Civil War days, you know, if you were writing a letter back home, I mean, I wonder what education was like back then, too, right?

[2224] I mean, it was probably...

[2225] It couldn't have been great.

[2226] Yeah.

[2227] No, it couldn't have been.

[2228] But, you know, that famous letter of Sullivan Ballou that ends the first episode of Ken Burns documentary, The Civil War that's famous and they put that beautiful song underneath it.

[2229] It's like...

[2230] I know.

[2231] It's crazy to read the way they wrote.

[2232] Oh.

[2233] So flower.

[2234] Yeah.

[2235] So eloquent.

[2236] So eloquent.

[2237] So moving.

[2238] And it was like a piece of art. And that was just a regular dude.

[2239] Right home to his wife.

[2240] Yeah.

[2241] If someone wrote like that home to their wife, their friends would read and go, I think your husband's going.

[2242] What was the name?

[2243] Sullivan Ballou.

[2244] It wasn't Jim.

[2245] What is Sullivan into?

[2246] Musicals?

[2247] Or?

[2248] Is he bye -bye Birdie fan?

[2249] What's his thing?

[2250] Nothing wrong with it.

[2251] No judgment.

[2252] it's yeah it's I think it's just more challenges today because there's there is more information coming in you can get lost and junk food information you know you can get lost and what's your current like YouTube wormhole you're into because that's all I do at night it's like people people wonder why viewership is down and listen you know I'm in the TV business I should be watching TV I don't watch TV I go to YouTube and I go down the wormhole I'm interested in on that particular day.

[2253] I go to YouTube almost entirely for escape.

[2254] So I watch, I watch pool, like professional pool matches on YouTube.

[2255] I do a lot of that.

[2256] I watch car videos.

[2257] Yeah.

[2258] I watch dumb shit.

[2259] I watch things that don't require that much thinking.

[2260] But then every now and then I'll watch, like, a lot of space documentaries.

[2261] If there's one thing that I watch a lot, it's documentaries on space, things about space, space travel, exploration, new things they're learning.

[2262] I was reading something today about NASA?

[2263] they're going to change some of their wording to be more inclusive.

[2264] I'm like, please say they're not going to get rid of black holes.

[2265] Because if NASA decides that black holes are racist, I'm going to give up.

[2266] And, you know, anything's possible.

[2267] Today, everything is possible.

[2268] I've been into, my new thing is, of all things, Simon and Garfunkel.

[2269] Oh, wow.

[2270] Yeah, those harmonies and stuff.

[2271] But I'm a huge yacht rock guy before yacht rock was a thing.

[2272] I didn't know that was a genre, an official genre.

[2273] but like yacht rock yeah oh so you this is a new phrase for you too yes is it yes oh well then i don't feel it's behind there's a there's an actual channel on serious xm for yacht rock no yes what does that mean so yacht rock is like the eagle well the the the eagles the eagles boss skaggs here it goes um al stewart's year of the cat okay leave of this the term yacht rock does not exist contemporaneously with the music term describes, huh, with the music the term describes, from about 1975 to 1984, it refers to adult -oriented rock or West Coast Sound, which became identified with yacht rock in 2005 when the term was coined in a J .D. Reisner et al's online video series of the same name.

[2274] Oh, so one guy came up with the name.

[2275] So who are the bands of Yacht Rock, let's see what this is?

[2276] Michael.

[2277] Oh, Michael McDonald.

[2278] For sure.

[2279] 10 C. Christopher Cross.

[2280] I'm a big Yacht Rock fan Ketty Logger's Toto Steely Dan!

[2281] Steely Dan!

[2282] Yes!

[2283] I love my...

[2284] I love Steely Dan.

[2285] I do too.

[2286] So Yacht Rock is like older dudes.

[2287] And another thing I'm into is Donald Fagan talking music theory.

[2288] It's really, really amazing.

[2289] I'm talking about core progressions and stuff.

[2290] Oh.

[2291] Do you play?

[2292] I wish I did.

[2293] I play, I play, I know five chords on a guitar.

[2294] Oh, I don't know one.

[2295] I don't know anything.

[2296] Yeah, I know like five open chords.

[2297] I can't, when I get to bar chords, my little fingers were too weak and I had to move on.

[2298] I think music is one of those things when I'm, I'm scared to learn because if I start getting into it, I'll be obsessed and then I'll lose all the time that I have.

[2299] Then you're going to start a band.

[2300] You'll be like, you know, you'll be like every actor with their band.

[2301] I wonder who has the best actor band.

[2302] Like, I want to see.

[2303] Jared Letto, right?

[2304] Oh, for sure.

[2305] 100 % but that's a legit I was in a teen magazine with him were you yeah in like 1993 I think wow yeah the Bacon brothers they're great Kevin Bacon Kevin Bacon's band's great that's right that's right he's got a legit you know who's legit Juliet Lewis Juliet Lewis can sing her fucking ass off Bill Burr told me about her he calls him up he goes dude he goes let me tell you something she's a fucking rock star he goes a legit rock star I'm like, come on.

[2306] And then he sent me a video.

[2307] I was like, holy fuck.

[2308] I've always been a huge fan of hers.

[2309] She's a beast.

[2310] She's so good.

[2311] She pours it out, man. There she is.

[2312] Look at her.

[2313] She's wearing evil canevels out there.

[2314] She's fucking good, man. That's some Snake River Canyon shit she's got on.

[2315] Her and I have talked about doing a podcast, but we never really got to do it.

[2316] I love her.

[2317] I don't know her at all.

[2318] Love her, though.

[2319] She's a fucking amazing actress, man. Her and Cape Fear?

[2320] Oh yeah, dude.

[2321] That was a movie you couldn't make today.

[2322] Couldn't make that movie today.

[2323] No chance.

[2324] Nope.

[2325] No chance.

[2326] When she sucked on Robert De Niro's thumb in a playhouse.

[2327] She sucked on his thumb in a child's playhouse.

[2328] She was like, what, 15 at the time or something?

[2329] If?

[2330] Oh, God.

[2331] Yeah, he couldn't do that today.

[2332] There's so many films you couldn't do today.

[2333] That movie's great.

[2334] How about when De Niro smokes that cigar in the theater?

[2335] He's like, ah, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

[2336] He was terrifying.

[2337] Such an actor.

[2338] Oh, my God.

[2339] He's amazing.

[2340] He's a beast.

[2341] But what, uh, what?

[2342] What are.

[2343] He's a beast.

[2344] But what?

[2345] What, uh, what?

[2346] What, what?

[2347] He's a guy.

[2348] He's a guy.

[2349] But what?

[2350] But what?

[2351] But what, what The other thing, it was the one with Woody Harrelson when they were serial killers.

[2352] Yeah, yeah, yeah, with...

[2353] Natural Brain Killers.

[2354] Thank you, yeah.

[2355] God damn, she was good in that.

[2356] Woo!

[2357] So good.

[2358] Yeah, yeah.

[2359] Oliver Stone.

[2360] It's Oliver Stone, isn't it?

[2361] Yep, that's Oliver Stone.

[2362] What I think.

[2363] I got to meet him, did a podcast with him a couple weeks ago.

[2364] He's, oh, I saw it.

[2365] He's amazing.

[2366] He was great.

[2367] It's an interesting cat.

[2368] He's an interesting.

[2369] We did, there was a minute where he was going to make the Noriega, Manuel Noriega story.

[2370] I was going to be Al Pacino was going to play Noriega, and I was going to play Oliver North.

[2371] Whoa.

[2372] And it never happened.

[2373] The script was good, but not great, and we did a big table reading of it at Oliver's place.

[2374] And Oliver's known to be really tough on actors, and I'd never worked with him.

[2375] But so we take a break halfway through, and I go to the water fountain, and Oliver's at the water fountain.

[2376] And I turned in and go, what do you think?

[2377] How's it going?

[2378] He went, what do you mean you or not?

[2379] He goes, I don't know, Rob.

[2380] But I just was just a little surprised.

[2381] What do you mean?

[2382] He goes, I just thought you'd have a little more energy and turned away and walked away.

[2383] So when we came back, the next line I had, I was doing it like this with so much motherfucking energy.

[2384] It was unbelievable.

[2385] And Oliver just kind of like laughed and smiled to himself.

[2386] Talking to him was so fascinating because he's one of the few guys that's made films about combat.

[2387] who's actually experienced real combat and, you know, talking about his experiences in Vietnam and then coming back home and making platoon and how difficult it was to make platoon and what a fucking masterpiece it was.

[2388] People forget Salvador's great, too.

[2389] Oh, my God.

[2390] Jim Belushi?

[2391] Yeah.

[2392] People forget how good Jimmy Belushi's in Salvador.

[2393] And James Woods.

[2394] Midnight Express.

[2395] Dude, that guy made some fucking wicked movies.

[2396] Alan Parker, who directed it died this week, you know.

[2397] Oh, did he?

[2398] Yeah, he's one of my favorite directors.

[2399] Did Pink Floyd the Wall?

[2400] Bugsy Malone.

[2401] Wow.

[2402] And Stone is so weird, too, because he wrote so many great movies, like Scarface.

[2403] He wrote great movies and produced and directed.

[2404] He did so much, man. So much.

[2405] JFK.

[2406] He's such an iconoclast.

[2407] I mean, they would, I don't know if a guy like him could make it through the corporation.

[2408] Well, also, the way he partied, too.

[2409] Oh, believe me. I was doing a movie called Masquerade.

[2410] in New York City when they were making Wall Street and we would always be like our set would be like three blocks from their set and Charlie and I of course grew up together and it would be it was just it was Michael Douglas and oh boy those days clearly the dark days yeah the darkness it was accepted yeah what was a part of the culture right was 100 % apart it's what it's what you did so he did isn't it weird now that that's so demonized or you're not doing it any of it any of it and look it's obviously for the better it's definitely for the better for the victims but is it for the better for the creators I don't know here's my thing I really believe that the notion that getting high makes you a better artist or gives you better access into your art I think is bullshit I do you might be right, but you might not be right.

[2411] I know I might not.

[2412] There's some art that's made by people that are fucked up that's insanely good.

[2413] I know, I know.

[2414] Some of Stephen King's writings when he was, when he was fucking up.

[2415] Drinking?

[2416] When he was drinking?

[2417] The Shining?

[2418] Yeah.

[2419] Shining, Cujo, Carrie.

[2420] I think, I think it was Coojo or Cary.

[2421] He doesn't even remember writing.

[2422] He was so fucked up, just doing Coke and drinking cases of beer.

[2423] Look, the Beatles, you know, in their acid phase.

[2424] Hendricks?

[2425] You're not going to, you can't, you can't.

[2426] deny it, I think that you just don't, they would have made something else.

[2427] It would have been different, but I think it would have been as good.

[2428] I don't think it's a prere, I think people who treat it as a prerequisite.

[2429] I think that's a mistake.

[2430] I agree.

[2431] I agree with that.

[2432] Well, I know brilliant people that are completely sober, so I, I 100 % agree.

[2433] But I don't think you can deny the impact that some drugs have on some creativity.

[2434] For sure.

[2435] It's, yeah.

[2436] I, I know.

[2437] I I mean, you know, what would, you know, what if Crosby's Stills and Nash never smoked dope?

[2438] What if the Grateful Dead never smoked dope?

[2439] Or did acid.

[2440] Or did acid.

[2441] Maybe the music would be good.

[2442] Sorry.

[2443] I'm with you on that.

[2444] I don't get it.

[2445] There's a lot of people that love the dead.

[2446] What about fish?

[2447] Isn't fish like that?

[2448] It's basically the same band.

[2449] Right?

[2450] I don't know.

[2451] To me, I don't have that gene.

[2452] There's this white person gene that I don't possess.

[2453] Mm -hmm.

[2454] The fish gene.

[2455] Yeah.

[2456] There's like dirty feet gene.

[2457] We just want to, like, dance around in a field with your friends while you wear beads.

[2458] No. I have a cousin who followed the dead.

[2459] She followed the dead all over the country.

[2460] She, like, lived with the dead in terms of, like, the fans, like, sold.

[2461] They made food and sold it to people that would go to the concerts.

[2462] They'd, like, scramble eggs and shit.

[2463] I don't.

[2464] Yeah.

[2465] Do you ever go to Burning Man?

[2466] No. Any desire?

[2467] Maybe.

[2468] Maybe now that you can wear a mask.

[2469] and hide from people.

[2470] It's an excuse to take drugs and kind of be sexually provocative, right?

[2471] Am I missing something?

[2472] There's definitely that.

[2473] I think there's also like this freedom of this alternative civilization that they develop in this wasteland.

[2474] You know, I have friends that love it and they go over here.

[2475] People, by the way, who are really, like you go, really?

[2476] Really successful people.

[2477] Oh, I know.

[2478] A lot of the tech dorks.

[2479] They love it.

[2480] Yeah.

[2481] I just feel like it's a lot of dust.

[2482] I have genius friends that love it.

[2483] A lot of dust.

[2484] A lot of dirtiness.

[2485] Yeah.

[2486] I'm good.

[2487] I mean, people are like, you have to go.

[2488] I'm like, I don't know if I do.

[2489] Where are the other things that people tell you you have to do that you don't want to?

[2490] I'm like, do you want to?

[2491] Like, it's like, you have to go to India.

[2492] It's so moving.

[2493] I'm like, I don't know.

[2494] Is it?

[2495] I feel like I'm getting sick already thinking about it.

[2496] I feel like my stomach hurts now.

[2497] Yeah, I can feel the diarrhea brewing before I get on the plane.

[2498] I mean, I don't know.

[2499] I mean, I've heard people say India was amazing and I've heard people say they wanted to leave the moment they got off the plane.

[2500] I know people who've done both.

[2501] I want to go to Egypt.

[2502] I would really like to see the pyramids.

[2503] Me too.

[2504] I'm desperate to do that whole thing, but I want to go with someone.

[2505] I want to find the person who's the expert on all of it.

[2506] I had the expert, and he just died.

[2507] No. John Anthony West, and he and I had talked a couple times about even getting together with a group of my friends and going over there and he was going to guide us.

[2508] He's a, he's what you would determine, he's a guy that.

[2509] inspired a lot of Graham Hancock's work and collaborated together on some stuff.

[2510] That's why I know the name.

[2511] Yeah, he's amazing.

[2512] That's my, that's my dream trip.

[2513] Yeah.

[2514] 100%.

[2515] It's a mind fuck, I'm sure.

[2516] I mean, I haven't, the closest I've been is Chechnitz.

[2517] I've seen the Mayan pyramids, and that was a mind fuck.

[2518] Have you been to Machu Picchu?

[2519] No, I haven't.

[2520] So I went two years ago, and I thought it would be like that great scene in National Lampoon's vacation when Chevy Chase sees the Grand Canyon.

[2521] Mm -hmm.

[2522] Where he goes, he goes, okay, and leaves.

[2523] Do you know what I mean?

[2524] Like, I saw it, that was great, I'm done.

[2525] I really thought that's what it would be, and it was, it was fucking amazing.

[2526] Yeah?

[2527] Amazing.

[2528] It's pretty crazy.

[2529] First of all, you have to walk there.

[2530] You can take a train to the base of it and then walk up, and by the way, people say, I walked it.

[2531] Sometimes they're talking about walking from the train.

[2532] Yeah.

[2533] You've got to take the Inca Trail.

[2534] We didn't do the four -day version.

[2535] That's too much.

[2536] There's no reason to do it.

[2537] But we did like the eight -hour, and it makes all the difference.

[2538] Look at that place.

[2539] And we caught it with that type of weather, too.

[2540] God damn, that's beautiful.

[2541] And they don't really understand the civilization that built that.

[2542] No, and what you realize when you get there is there's two civilizations.

[2543] There's that, and then there are parts of that that are even older that look completely different.

[2544] completely different, like any idiot can tell that that's from a different time.

[2545] Yeah, that's one of the things that Graham Hancock talks about is that there's a bunch of these spots like there where archaeologists have sort of determined that, well, this is what happened.

[2546] And then upon further examination, other people have said, but wait, I don't know if this is right.

[2547] And I don't know why they did this.

[2548] Who were these people?

[2549] You see, even in that photo we're looking at, you see the kind of looks like little stone brick area, which is like, 80 % of what we're seeing.

[2550] That's really what it looks like.

[2551] But then you get in there and there's other areas that look nothing like it with that crazy right angle, seamless stones that you see all over the rest of the world.

[2552] Yeah.

[2553] That this was clearly built on top of.

[2554] I mean, you can, you just, it obviously was.

[2555] Yeah.

[2556] Well, that's the, that's the argument.

[2557] There you go.

[2558] See that, that wall?

[2559] That those, that's the argument.

[2560] See how it's different than the wall over there?

[2561] Mm -hmm.

[2562] Totally different.

[2563] Look at the steps.

[2564] Jesus Christ Look at those green covered steps So what those were Where the crops were That's where they grew the crops God It's fucking great You think you worry about Going all the way there And being like I schlepped all the way there for this It's totally rewarding On the other side of it I went to the Galapagos And that was I would recommend just go to Catalina Really Really?

[2565] Really?

[2566] Yeah It's fucking Catalina dude is it really yes it's the channel island well they call the channel islands the galapagos of north america do they they do for good reason when you go to the galapagos you're like wait i'm sorry this is san miguel island off of santa barbara that's hilarious they do but if you're into the blue -footed booby you've got to go there you're one of those guys and if and if you want to like swim with those gnarly lizards that are under like gigantic like monitor lizards that are underwater like When you're snorkeling, you're not getting that at Catalina.

[2567] Right.

[2568] You got to go to Galapagos.

[2569] There they are.

[2570] Those fuckers are underwater.

[2571] How big is that thing?

[2572] You swim with them.

[2573] How big are they?

[2574] It's this table for me to you.

[2575] Jesus Christ.

[2576] Oh my God.

[2577] Look the size of those fuckers.

[2578] They're great.

[2579] What a weird looking creature.

[2580] It's really something.

[2581] Oh, my God.

[2582] That part was way worth it.

[2583] Whoa.

[2584] Look that guy.

[2585] And then the big, obviously, the Galapagas tortoises.

[2586] you're only going to get there and they're you know they don't even know how old there look at those fuckers yeah it's a long way to go though yeah how long do they take you to get there um it's it's a full day it's a full day and a half travel wow there's something about going places well i mean i'm sure that's fascinating but there's something about going places where people lived a long time ago that's very eerie like if you go to like um pompey was weird for me because you're looking around and you realize like this is this civilization that what was it a thousand years ago or whatever yeah that Mount Vesuvius erupted yep that just instantaneously vanished I never got to Pompeii I know people who just had the same experience it's a trip because you know you're looking at like this like Rome is like that as well like just being around the Vatican and seeing just the the how much would you love to have free reign of the Vatican.

[2587] Take me to the to the Indiana Jones vault.

[2588] You know the end where everything's stored?

[2589] What do you think they have that they don't show us?

[2590] The ark. The thing I really want is they say is the library of Alexandria that burned you know in which had that had all of the all the knowledge of the world.

[2591] People say that a lot of it got moved out and is in the Vatican.

[2592] The Vatican's a weird place, man. I went with a guy who was a scholar.

[2593] He was a professor who he was really a very great.

[2594] He was a great guide.

[2595] You know, it was one of those professional guides that you hire.

[2596] And he and I hit it off big time because we were out in this courtyard area and there was this giant pine cone.

[2597] And I said, the pine cone.

[2598] And he looked at me and I go, is that representative of the pineal gland and his eyes lit up he's like yes and then next thing you know me and him are talking about drugs and we're talking about you know the the understanding of the pineal gland of the seat of the soul like that thing is supposed to represent the pineal gland that's supposed that's not just a pine cone it's supposed to represent the gland in your brain that produces dimethylptamine and so there's there's a lot of that weird shit in ancient christian art like mushroom imagery and a lot of like weird stuff that you find and in fact there's a book by this guy john marco allegro who was a biblical scholar and a linguist and he was also one of the only people in the dead sea scrolls the translation commission the translation group that was uh that was assigned to try to figure out this dead sea scrolls and and translate it back that was he was an ordained minister but he was also agnostic that's through his studies of religion And he's sort of decided along the way, like, hey, this is all, it seems like there's too many similarities to these things.

[2599] It's not in all these different cultures.

[2600] And he started breaking down the etymology, the languages.

[2601] And he came out with a book called The Sacred Mushroom in the Cross that was bought out by the Catholic Church.

[2602] And the book essentially said the entire religion of Christianity is a giant misunderstanding.

[2603] And what it really was about was about the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms and fertility.

[2604] rituals and that they had all these stories that they hid in parables and all this ancient knowledge that they hid in these tales, but that it all goes back to the consumption of psychedelic drugs.

[2605] And in fact, one of the weirder connections to that was in Israel.

[2606] I mean, this is like very recently, these scholars at the University of Jerusalem had determined that what Moses was talking about when he saw the burning bush was actually the acacia bush, the acacia tree which is rich in DMT and that when we're talking about the burning bush and that it was God appeared to him in the burning bush he was probably tripping and that this was why he came down with these commandments where how to live life and how to how to govern yourself that he was in communication with God but what it really was most likely was him having a psychedelic experience wow that is all through ancient Christian religion you know there was a guy named Jack Herrer who's like one of the early proponents of marijuana he was like a goldwater Republican who got high with a girlfriend of his got went through a divorce got high with a girlfriend of his and had this idea of like marijuana being this terrible thing these fucking hippies are all lazy and but he meets this cool girl and he starts smoking pot and then became a pot activist and wrote a book called the emperor has no clothes and it's all about the origins of marijuana criminalization and what it really was all about and that it actually was a industry and the real people that started marijuana propaganda like the like those movies like Reefer Madness and that was Harry Anslinger and William Randolph Hurst and William Randolph Hurst decided that he was going to to demonize marijuana to stop the hemp industry that was the original reason why he did it because the popular science magazine had a cover in like 1937 or something like that called hemp the new billion dollar crop and it was all because they had come up with a new machine called a decorticator, and a decorticator was a new machine that allowed them to effectively process hemp fiber, because before they used to use slaves, and then when slavery was outlawed, and then Eli Whitney came up with the cotton gin, they switched all their clothing from hemp -based clothing to cotton.

[2607] And so they had done this for years, and then they had switched their paper from canvas, like original canvas, like even the Mona Lisa, was printed on hemp.

[2608] All that stuff was hemp.

[2609] Hemp is a far more durable paper and it's a far more durable cloth.

[2610] And so people's clothes like old, like really durable clothing was made out of hemp.

[2611] And so William Randolph Hurst decided the best way to combat this new industry instead of turning over his gigantic forests and converting them to hemp forests and converting his paper mills to hemp paper, he decided what he was going to do was kill the business.

[2612] And so the way he killed the business was printing these stories about black people and Mexicans raping white women because they were on this new drug called marijuana.

[2613] And what marijuana, the word, was actually a slang for a Mexican wild tobacco, didn't even have anything to do with cannabis.

[2614] So when they made marijuana illegal, Congress didn't even understand that they were making cannabis and hemp illegal.

[2615] They thought it was a new drug.

[2616] And so he tricked them.

[2617] He tricked them because he earned Hearst Publications.

[2618] I mean, that was one of the things that Orson Wells, like when he was a new drug, like, And he made Rosebud.

[2619] Yeah.

[2620] He made that movie.

[2621] He made Citizen Kane about William Randolph Hearst.

[2622] Yes.

[2623] Because he was this insanely powerful guy that was just his fucking...

[2624] Is Rosebud a bud?

[2625] I don't know.

[2626] Like, hey, the good buds.

[2627] But that movie was about William Randolph Hurst.

[2628] William Randolph Hurst is the reason why marijuana is still federally illegal in 2020.

[2629] And this is in the 1930s.

[2630] Like almost 100 years later, his propaganda still works.

[2631] It is amazing because I...

[2632] You ever been to Hearst Castle?

[2633] That's cool.

[2634] Yeah, yeah, I was there when I was a kid.

[2635] It's crazy.

[2636] He's the reason why this whole fucking state is filled with wild pigs.

[2637] That crazy asshole had wild pigs on his mansion.

[2638] He had them roaming around, brought wild boars over from Europe.

[2639] And so California, like San Jose, is infested with wild pigs.

[2640] People who live in San Jose, they go out and wild pigs are fucking knocking over their trash and eating their lawn.

[2641] That's William Randolph Hurst did that shit.

[2642] I had no idea.

[2643] That's amazing.

[2644] That crazy fuck was responsible for a lot of problems that we're still facing.

[2645] facing today.

[2646] I had no idea.

[2647] I mean, I know it, my knowledge is, I know the yellow journalism of it all.

[2648] He's a bad guy.

[2649] He was a fucking bad guy.

[2650] He had too much power.

[2651] I mean, there was, there was, he, hers publications was, you know, he had this insane amount of power to just print lies.

[2652] And he could shift the course of public perception to fit his own needs and to fit his businesses.

[2653] I wonder if that happened today.

[2654] No way.

[2655] media what that would be like fake like fake news or something i can't imagine can't do that today people are too smart no can never do that today we never happen yeah it's it's it's amazing when you find out the history of why things are legal and illegal and what happened and where they went wrong you know it's just it's weird how long some things like some propaganda can sink in and last for it's crazy yeah i mean that entertainment is the ultimate form of it.

[2656] Oh, yeah, the ultimate.

[2657] And also the ultimate form of combating it, which is what, you know, Orson Welles tried to do with Citizen Kane kind of show.

[2658] Like, and, you know, obviously he didn't name the guy William Randolph Hearst, but everybody knew what it was about.

[2659] That movie is great.

[2660] It's one of those movies that you hear is...

[2661] What's up, Jamie?

[2662] I started looking something up about the pigs, and this article from the San Francisco Gate says it's a different guy named George Gordon Moore who brought them in the 1920s for hunting.

[2663] I'm sure he did, but William Randolph Hearst most certainly had them at his castle.

[2664] Maybe some of the ones around that area came from William Randolph Hurst Castle.

[2665] Maybe that's where he got him from, that guy.

[2666] But Hurst most certainly had them at his place.

[2667] In fact, Hunter S. Thompson used to hunt William Randolph Hurst's wild pigs.

[2668] The ones that are around Big Sur, apparently, that's what people think.

[2669] That's another gnarly place.

[2670] That's a gnarly place.

[2671] That's a place that also, did you see the fucking landslide they got?

[2672] yes shut down the 101 or the one for like i just drove the one i just drove the one two weeks ago up there and you cannot believe how much new construction they needed to do it's open now it's open now but it was close for like a year yeah right i mean when you look at the construction you go well i can see why this took a year dude i drove up there with my family once and i was so terrified i was like to the left is death yeah it's amazing it's crazy that you could just drive it it's crazy it is one of the great it's one of the great drives it's one of the great drives it's It's a cliff.

[2673] You're in the edge of a cliff.

[2674] And if you're on the right side and someone just decides to turn into you, you're done.

[2675] You're dead.

[2676] You're like, you're like 1 ,500 feet up.

[2677] Yeah.

[2678] And people die there.

[2679] All the time.

[2680] All the time.

[2681] Yeah, all the time.

[2682] You fall asleep at the wheel.

[2683] You're fucked.

[2684] Ugh.

[2685] Yeah.

[2686] Turning around to get that selfie.

[2687] It's a crazy way to die.

[2688] Someone died like that in Malibu.

[2689] Not that long ago.

[2690] It was like Paris Hilton's photographer or something like that.

[2691] It was a photographer The guy in the Jeep?

[2692] Was this this guy in the Jeep?

[2693] I don't remember.

[2694] But there was someone who he posted something on social media and he was dead right afterwards and their speculation was that he was looking at his phone when he went off the side.

[2695] Yeah, I remember hearing this.

[2696] I know that there's a couple turns right there in Malibu that, you know, right below it.

[2697] Yeah, sketchy as fuck.

[2698] Yeah, you're like, California, like that ride up to Sanford Francisco on the PCH is fucking magnificent though.

[2699] It's so incredible.

[2700] It is.

[2701] It's not magnificent if you're in the back seat.

[2702] It is not.

[2703] You will get the car sickness of a lifetime.

[2704] Yeah.

[2705] There's a lot of turn.

[2706] I drove a I drove a Winnebago once.

[2707] And you know the famous bridge that's in every car commercial on the one?

[2708] Yeah.

[2709] I didn't realize that all the bikes that I had on the back were like too wide, I guess.

[2710] And I just destroyed every bike we had just gotten the family for Christmas on that thing.

[2711] It's like, you know, You don't want, I was like Clark Griswold, vacation driving that fucking thing.

[2712] It was not good.

[2713] Yeah, people have that idea, right?

[2714] We're going to take an RV and go across America.

[2715] There's good things to that, but there's also, you know, your kids have to have a high tolerance for boredom.

[2716] I remember when my family would drive me across the country, I'd have my book and Mad Libs.

[2717] And that was it.

[2718] That's it.

[2719] That's it.

[2720] Yeah.

[2721] You didn't have anything else.

[2722] I was watching a movie on my iPad.

[2723] I was watching Milan.

[2724] The kids have a different, they have a different kind of traveling now.

[2725] And people will let them do it.

[2726] I've let my kids do it just to shut them up, just so you get some peace.

[2727] They wear you down.

[2728] Yeah, they beat you down.

[2729] There's no way.

[2730] Can you imagine here.

[2731] Read a buck and do some mad lips from here to Pocatella, Idaho.

[2732] How long?

[2733] When are we going to be there?

[2734] I have to pee.

[2735] I'm hungry.

[2736] Oh, brutal.

[2737] Yeah.

[2738] Brutal.

[2739] But you've got to kind of force them to have some boredom.

[2740] Like, just so they have those experiences.

[2741] Like, I remember when my parents took me to Yosemite when I was.

[2742] was a kid.

[2743] And to this day, I still, I remember those experiences.

[2744] I remember our cooler got broken into by a bear.

[2745] I remember here in the bear outside the tent and waking up and there was footprints on the hood of the car.

[2746] So good.

[2747] I remember that's my big worry is that as a culture we don't know what to do with boredom, you know, because we're never without the world at our fingertips.

[2748] Yes.

[2749] You know, so like I remember my mom.

[2750] I've such vivid memories of parents would never do this today, but like take, we go to the market and she would leave me in the car and she would go to the market and it felt like she was gone for five days she's probably looking back on it she was probably gone for 20 minutes but it felt like forever and i'm in that car as a little boy i can remember it vividly and all i have is my mind and my imagination to kill the time that's it yeah and you know i think it's it served me very well but i don't know how many of us are getting that experience today?

[2751] Not too many.

[2752] I mean, grown adults are very rarely bored these days, and I think that leads to a real problem with, like, creativity and imagination.

[2753] And also, social media anxiety, and all the nonsense that comes with just reading people's anger and just the way we interact with each other.

[2754] I'm off Twitter.

[2755] I don't, I still have a presence on it, and I still use it from here to the, but I'm, I had good for you.

[2756] And I didn't do the thing that makes me crazy is it's like I'm leaving Twitter everyone it's like shut the fuck up exactly just go just go yeah do you know and then you check to see how people are reacting to you leaving Twitter yeah let me see what the what kind of interest that post generated yeah I just and I'm way happier there's so many people that are just so addicted to saying something and seeing how people react to it oh what's trending I loved it I love checking what's trending on Twitter's fucking best.

[2757] In this time and age, too, with Trump, it's just a terrible time because everyone's so angry.

[2758] You go on Twitter and just people are so furious.

[2759] They're just, you can't have an opinion about anything.

[2760] Everybody's mad.

[2761] If you do have an opinion, there's a million people that disagree and a million people that do agree and they're fighting it out to the death.

[2762] Yeah.

[2763] It used to be that consensus building or being in the middle of the road was accepted by.

[2764] the warring camps right and now um that's it's silence is is complicit yes yes so that so that's that's really the problem that's where there's no there's no middle anymore right people are angry at you if you don't post an opinion that agrees with them like you can't even have you can't even not post an opinion they'll get mad at you I've heard people say you know hey history will not be kind to the people that did not talk about this like Really?

[2765] Like what?

[2766] What?

[2767] You can't tell people that they have to comment on things.

[2768] That's ridiculous.

[2769] You're forcing people to express opinions that they might not have even formed.

[2770] Yeah, it's a, it's a, I mean, I have these talks with my boys because they're right in the think of it.

[2771] It's a new generation, obviously, and they have a totally different perspective on it.

[2772] They're growing up with it.

[2773] They don't even know what it's like to have no internet.

[2774] No, it's amazing.

[2775] That's what's crazy.

[2776] Isn't it?

[2777] It's crazy.

[2778] I remember, I remember vividly, like when it all happened.

[2779] I remember like I was on the West Wing and like all of a sudden we had went from pagers to Blackberries.

[2780] I remember the first person ever showed me an iPhone was David Crosby of all people.

[2781] Oh, wow.

[2782] Yeah.

[2783] And I was like, what is that thing you've got there?

[2784] And he had one of the first iPhones.

[2785] I wouldn't, I was a late adopter because I was like, that's bullshit.

[2786] I want buttons.

[2787] I was laid at same.

[2788] I wanted buttons and I thought that it was somehow an iPhone was less.

[2789] serious than a blackberry right you're a business person i'm i'm a serious person yes i'm not i'm not you know and and and then i obviously succumbed everybody that i worked with on news radio had the blackberry that was the wide one that you did the two finger one yes you know everyone's doing the email off of it it's very important to have a blackberry very blackberry yes and then they were called they were called something else in the east east coast really yeah was like a rim rim was the company and that's a that's one of those great i want to i would love to do an uh anthropological look at how they get the clock cleaned they had it oh yeah they had it all yeah they had it all yeah they're gonna say that about iphone someday yeah somebody will come up but like what how do you how do it's like via vhs beta max yeah and it's like who who is this darwinism of the corporations is so interesting to me well we remember blockbuster video oh yeah who would have ever thought there would be no video stores who would have ever thought that i thought it was a novelty the idea you're going to have things on a hard drive like what i know it's ridiculous i remember some the first person telling me i have my music on my computer was what do you mean of your music on the computer you said yeah i don't have any but where are your CDs i don't have any but wait like it shows you why this is why we need ayahuasca because we can't understand simple shit like that well the real question is what's next that's the real question like what are we blind to that our children are you go remember back then when people streamed their music and streamed their movies their movies do i have it with like my dad i'm like dad have you heard my podcast no where do i get them my dad literally and then he finally his wife found my podcast and then this is my favorite he goes and then somebody called me but I didn't know how to shut it off and now I can't find it again I'm like Jesus Christ I wish my parents didn't know about my podcast would be awesome do you get do you get people I can't believe you said that yeah my wife listens now that's a problem oh it's my wife could care of fucking less about anything I do so it's great that's fucking perfect my wife's like I like that one you did with I'm like, oh, what did I say?

[2790] I know.

[2791] Well, that's the problem with doing podcasts is you, it's a conversation.

[2792] It's not an interview, so you forget.

[2793] The point is to forget.

[2794] Yeah, you talk a lot of shit.

[2795] Talk a lot of shit.

[2796] Yeah.

[2797] You get, especially you get loose and then you're having fun and you talk like you would.

[2798] You're basically, like, I don't really have a private voice and a public voice.

[2799] Right.

[2800] I just talk.

[2801] If you and I were hanging out and there was no one around, I would have the same conversation with you.

[2802] 100%.

[2803] That's the problem.

[2804] It's the problem, but that's what you, that's the point.

[2805] That's why people like it.

[2806] That's the point.

[2807] Yeah.

[2808] That's why people like podcasts.

[2809] Give me one piece of advice I need to know.

[2810] I'm seven episodes.

[2811] I'm eight episodes in.

[2812] To exactly what you did right here.

[2813] You're going to be great.

[2814] You're awesome at it.

[2815] You think?

[2816] Just talk.

[2817] Yeah, you're a genuine person.

[2818] You're honest, genuine person.

[2819] That's what resonates with people.

[2820] It's like someone expressing their real feelings and thoughts about stuff.

[2821] Right.

[2822] Yeah.

[2823] That's what we're missing.

[2824] You know, what's missing in overproduced stuff that executives and a team of people come up with, that you're missing the real, the thing that resonates with people.

[2825] Like, you can, there's a lot of podcasts that I love that are produced, like Radio Lab or Wondry.

[2826] I love the stuff they put out.

[2827] And it's very produced, but it's different.

[2828] It's different between what people, people listen to us right now, they probably feel like they're in the room they're having this conversation too like they're agreeing or they're disagreeing or they're yelling shut the fuck up while they're driving you know that's that's what the appeal is is that it's not inflict this is a small crew of people that produces this is basically the Jamie and myself and the video editors I mean that's it does no one else so because of that it's not it's not fucked with and I know a lot of people that have podcasts on networks you know and then they have to, they have meetings.

[2829] And I go, you have fucking meetings?

[2830] And they tell me the nightmare meetings they have where people like, well, they tune out when you say this and they do this, like, here's the stats.

[2831] You can't talk about that because if you do, oh my God, no, really?

[2832] Like you look at that stuff?

[2833] I'm like, you can't look at that stuff.

[2834] How do you know if it's not good?

[2835] I fucking hate everything I do.

[2836] I know if it's not good because I don't like it.

[2837] So then I just do better.

[2838] You don't want to like be looking at the stats.

[2839] It's going to fuck you.

[2840] up.

[2841] That's really good.

[2842] That's a good piece of advice.

[2843] Yeah, just do it.

[2844] You're doing great.

[2845] You're great at this.

[2846] You're a natural.

[2847] Oh, thanks.

[2848] I will say that I'm having the fucking time of my life.

[2849] There you go.

[2850] Perfect.

[2851] I'm having so much fun doing it.

[2852] That alone will make it great.

[2853] Yeah, I thought it was something that I, like it was a natural offshoot from the two memoirs I wrote, and then I built a one -man show off of it, which is really a way of me doing stand -up without calling it stand -up really you know and I toured did a lot of touring and it was fun and I loved it and I was thinking what's the next iteration of it was the subject of the one -man show it was called stories I only tell my friends live which is the title of my first book but it was me talking about my life that was it and and by the way the Oscar thing that we talked about is a bit that's the big closer that's the big closer every do you play it for people I play I play it for people and and I go into my, it just becomes a very long shaggy dog story and people love it.

[2854] And then I do questions and, and I realize that, you know, there are a lot of actors.

[2855] There are a lot of actors that are better than me. And you try to find out what your special sauce is.

[2856] Like, what, what, what is it that, that I think maybe I can do that maybe others can't?

[2857] And I think between the books and the one man show and the podcast, I think that there's something, about sharing my my experience in and then bringing other people into it that people have responded to in now three different mediums.

[2858] Well, that's, then you've got it.

[2859] Being yourself and just being able to express your own unique perspective on life is what's interesting to people, you know, like if you can honestly express.

[2860] So like when people listen to you, particularly if they listen to you over and over and over again for long periods of time.

[2861] They know if you're full of shit or if you're just being yourself.

[2862] And if you're just being yourself, they can kind of relax with you.

[2863] They can get into you.

[2864] And then you tell them about things that you're interested in and tell them about things that stimulated you or made you curious or affected you and inspired you.

[2865] You know, Springsteen says a great thing.

[2866] He says, the audience expects two things of you.

[2867] They expect you to make them feel at home at the same time you're surprising them.

[2868] Dude, let's end with that.

[2869] That's perfect.

[2870] Rob Lowe, I appreciate the fuck out of it.

[2871] This was great, man. Thank you very much.

[2872] Thank you so much.

[2873] I really enjoyed this, man. I really enjoyed it.

[2874] Tell people the name of your podcast, how to get it.

[2875] It's called Literally with Rob Lowe, and you can get it on Apple or Stitcher or Spotify or anywhere you get your podcasts.

[2876] That was really fun.

[2877] Thank you very much, man. Thank you.

[2878] Goodbye, people.