#1047 - Andy Stumpf

[0] Yeha, Andy Stop!

[1] We're here, ladies and gentlemen.

[2] The party's already started.

[3] We're drinking something that my friend Ben O 'Brien invented.

[4] It's called a Rye Brain.

[5] It's a whiskey and alpha brain.

[6] And it's delicious.

[7] And a Yeti tumbler.

[8] Cheers.

[9] Cheers, my brother.

[10] Good to see you, buddy.

[11] Yeah, man. It's been a while.

[12] You're living the good life.

[13] Hey, I'm still kicking.

[14] It's another good day.

[15] I'm still vertical.

[16] Yeah, but you live in the good life, man. You're out doing what I want to do.

[17] You're out there in the fucking great state.

[18] to Montana.

[19] Did, so I landed on Saturday, and, yeah, I lived in San Diego for, I think, almost 10 years.

[20] Love San Diego.

[21] No complaints about California.

[22] It's beautiful.

[23] The beaches, there's mountains, all that stuff.

[24] I love it.

[25] Landed San Diego, got in the rental car, was going out to skydive, and couldn't even see the mountains out by where I'm going to go jump because it was all hazy and smoggy.

[26] And it took me longer to get out of the parking lot than it does to, like, get back to my house, go shoot the bow in the back yard.

[27] go do a workout.

[28] I was still in the San Diego International Parking lot.

[29] So I can't wait to go back.

[30] Yeah, there's good and bad.

[31] You know, there's good things about the big city life.

[32] You know, you get a lot of great restaurants, a lot of cool shit.

[33] But you've already done that, you know.

[34] We moved to a town that has 22 ,000 people from a subdivision of San Diego that had 260 ,000 people.

[35] And I honestly, my only regret is that it took us so long to pull the trigger on doing it.

[36] It is unbelievable.

[37] And have you done the winter yet that?

[38] There yet?

[39] Winter's coming.

[40] It's coming.

[41] So you haven't done it yet.

[42] Yeah, once you get into that.

[43] I visited the winter last year.

[44] We were there for the whole month of December.

[45] There was a few days.

[46] It was negative 10.

[47] Okay.

[48] Which I found if you stand close enough to the fire, it feels just fine.

[49] Yeah, man. Just wear a nice thick, like a real good jacket, you know, wear good wool undergarments.

[50] I know.

[51] You could be all right.

[52] I know some people who work in the industry to make the cold weather gear just from my old job, and they send me some stuff.

[53] So it's really not that bad.

[54] And there's some things in life that I will spend good money on.

[55] Cold weather gear, rain gear, just pony up and pay the extra money because it's going to pay off for you in the end.

[56] Yeah, I get some real shit.

[57] My friend Tony lives in Columbus, Ohio, and the way he put it, he goes, like, look, he's like, here's the deal.

[58] He goes, you can't really dress for hot weather.

[59] He goes, but you could dress for cold weather.

[60] He goes, you wear warm clothes in cold weather.

[61] you're fine.

[62] And he goes, but when it's hot out, it's just fucking hot out.

[63] You've got to go indoors.

[64] Or you can nude up, but then once you get to that level, you're done.

[65] Yeah, but even when you nude up, it's that hot.

[66] But it's like, L .A. has no weather.

[67] It gets hot, and that's it.

[68] It rarely rains.

[69] If it rains 20 days a year here, it's crazy.

[70] Nobody knows what to do.

[71] Inside, I'm not going to lie.

[72] I was laughing and very happy when you were posting about it was like 105, 106.

[73] And up where we live is like 60 beautiful bluebird skies, a little bit of a breeze.

[74] Yeah, I bet you get sick nighttime star looking too, right?

[75] What's the stargazing up there?

[76] It's not hard to get out of that light pollution.

[77] You drive, you know, we're fortunate we have probably the reason we moved up there is we bought an investment property in 2016.

[78] And it's in the middle of nowhere, like probably 15 miles out.

[79] And you want to talk about no light pollution and the ability just to look up.

[80] and it doesn't look anything.

[81] Unless you've experienced that, you can't describe how much you're missing out if you live in a city looking up.

[82] It's unbelievable.

[83] Yeah, it's weird, right?

[84] It's one of the weirdest things about civilization that we've chosen to do that.

[85] I know that a lot of, there's a lot of talk about people having, like, nights or, like, one time at the year where everybody shuts their lights off and they have, like, a, just a viewing of the stars, like a no -light night.

[86] Who's talking about doing this?

[87] I've heard that before online.

[88] I've heard people organizing light pollution observance day or some shit.

[89] Yeah, I've heard some crazy things online.

[90] I try to avoid most of the things that I hear about online.

[91] Gatherings that start online, like, hi, I'm no. The picture that I put of you with your flying squirrel suit flying over the fucking earth, I purposely chose it because you can see the curvature of the earth in the background.

[92] Or can you, based on the comments.

[93] Bro, it's a fucking fish eye lens, bro.

[94] Was that shot with a fish eye lens?

[95] whatever the GoPro comes with.

[96] Yeah, it's probably fixed my lens.

[97] It's got a little bit of a curvature to it.

[98] There it is.

[99] There you go.

[100] I love that suit.

[101] I was jumping that suit on Saturday.

[102] There's some interesting comments in there.

[103] The internet is a very interesting environment that has no consequences and allows people to interact in a way they never would if they were sitting across like we are right now.

[104] Yeah.

[105] And it also requires discipline in that regard, like the way people communicate with people.

[106] There's no discipline.

[107] In terms of, like, conserve, like, just think about what you're going to say.

[108] Think about if a person was in front of you.

[109] Think about how it's going to affect that person and then proceed.

[110] Nobody does that.

[111] There's none of that.

[112] I wouldn't say nobody does that.

[113] But it's...

[114] Few and far between.

[115] There's no consequences, especially if you're an anonymous person.

[116] Just regular Joe Blow.

[117] Yeah.

[118] And you got an egg, and it's like Dick Fuck, 6, 9, 5, 2, whatever your name is.

[119] You just feel like talking shit.

[120] I mean, I understand it.

[121] If you put a quarter inch piece of glass in between me and another driver on the road, I've been known to say some interesting things that I wouldn't say to somebody in, like, a line at Starbucks if they bumped into me. Do you know what that's from, though, what they say?

[122] Scientists have kind of studied the human response to critical situations where you have to make split -second maneuvers, like high -stress situations.

[123] You don't think of a car as being a high -stress situation, but when you're going 70 miles an hour and every little thing, is like you're you're way more tuned in than you think you are so anything that happens like this motherfucker like you're you're way more ramped up that's where road rage comes from it comes from the fact that your brain is very aware that you're going to have to make split second decision so even though you don't realize it you're at seven all the time and just ready to flip to 11 when a guy comes i'm gonna kill you motherfucker yeah i mean i've seen people just lose their shit.

[124] And by the way, here's the really crazy thing.

[125] I've seen people lose their shit and if it ever physically escalated, like they did pull over, they got out of their car.

[126] They'd be helpless.

[127] They'd be helpless.

[128] They don't know how, I've been with people.

[129] I'm like, listen, man, you don't know how to fight at all.

[130] Like, what are you doing?

[131] You're starting a fight?

[132] That's crazy.

[133] Don't do that.

[134] You're starting a fight and you're praying to God or whatever you believe in that this person doesn't actually follow you or pull over.

[135] Yeah, they're in a car version of the egg on Twitter.

[136] They just assume like, you, you're never going to see me again, and this isn't real, you piece of shit.

[137] But sometimes it is real, you know?

[138] I've seen people duking it out on the side of the road.

[139] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[140] And it's pretty ugly.

[141] It doesn't go well for both parties generally.

[142] A buddy of mine from Jiu -Jitsu pulled over to the side of the road with a guy once, and they started duking it out, and they both knew how to fight.

[143] It was crazy.

[144] They were hitting doubles and sprawling.

[145] The other guy goes for a dars.

[146] He reverses him.

[147] He gets side control, knees him in the body.

[148] The guy fucking hits him at a triangle.

[149] He passes the guard.

[150] Like the whole thing go back and forth and back and forth.

[151] On the fucking grass.

[152] They were on the grass on the side of the road.

[153] And then when it's so, they're both exhausted.

[154] They high -fived each other and then got back in their car.

[155] They were laughing.

[156] They're like, you know how to fight, man. Like they both actually, they both were like, I'm going to fuck this dude up.

[157] I'm going to fuck this dude up.

[158] And then they both were not just, not just did they both know how to fight.

[159] They were both at like a purple belt level.

[160] A little impromptu grappling session on the car.

[161] And punches and kicks and the whole deal.

[162] But they both actually knew how to fight.

[163] It was pretty funny.

[164] The way he was telling it was pretty hilarious.

[165] I mean, I mean, I can't lie.

[166] I get excited when I see people upset in their cars.

[167] If I cut them off accidentally and I see them getting pissed, like the foot just slowly rolls off the gas.

[168] And they get really close and I'm doing 40 on the freeway.

[169] And I don't know.

[170] I mean, I don't know my problem is probably just an asshole.

[171] But the more upset they get, the more warmth I feel in my soul as I'm going down the road watching them lose their shit in their car.

[172] Well, don't you think that a guy like you who's been through so much actual real combat probably relishes a little elevation of the normal day -to -day life?

[173] Just a little turn that bitch up a little bit.

[174] Let's feel a little heat.

[175] Come on, just crank it up a little bit.

[176] I'm probably the last person that would ever fight.

[177] And I bet you it's the same with the UFC guys, right, who make their living in that insane octagon.

[178] Like, you think some of the things I do, a little bit atypical.

[179] I think people who live in the Optagon are absolutely out of their mind.

[180] Dude, you flew 18 miles in a squirrel suit.

[181] The suit did most of the work, man. I just laid in that thing.

[182] It doesn't matter.

[183] The fucking, all the shit that can go wrong.

[184] What did you say, what the temperature was when you jumped out?

[185] 50 below zero?

[186] 50 below with the wind chill and I was rocking a t -shirt.

[187] Because I'm not smart.

[188] How cold did that get?

[189] I couldn't feel my hands.

[190] I had hand warmers, the chemicals, you know, the ones that you crack open and just for like skiing but I didn't I didn't open the bag until 20 ,000 feet you know didn't really think that through it needs oxygen how do you open the bag while you're flying like no up on the way up it was an hour flight to altitude and I knew it was going to be cold so I opened up the things and I put them on my hands and put my gloves on and said I'm like why am I not feeling these heat up and then I realized that they need oxygen for the chemical reaction so I jumped out and I by probably halfway down I couldn't feel my hands so I just had a tucked up behind the wing and I know where the little small parachute is that you have to pull to deploy your parachute and I'm like all right I know where this is I've done this before pulled the parachute and I get on the ground and then my hands started burning because the chemical started reacting so it went from freezing cold hand to feeling like I had my hands dipped into lava so I couldn't get the gloves off also probably a little hypothermia right probably say when they found a guy recently um in I want to say Oregon or Idaho?

[191] I don't know, one of them cold places.

[192] And he went elk hunting and they couldn't find him.

[193] He got lost.

[194] And when they found him, he was dead and he was only like a couple hundred yards from his truck and they think he got snowed out and couldn't see where he was going.

[195] And he had taken his jacket off.

[196] And he'd taken his gloves and his hat off.

[197] And they say that's one of the signs of hypothermia is you start.

[198] You find people naked a lot of the time.

[199] They take all the, well, you're your fork.

[200] It just start, you know.

[201] You get hot too, apparently.

[202] It's not just euphoria.

[203] I don't know if you get hot Washington State That's what it is Yeah Missing Elk Hunter recovered in Washington I had heard about another guy Who died in Oregon Who was a He was a tech guy He used to be on this tech show That I used to watch And he would review like gadgets This was like early 2000s And he went up with his family And they didn't have a car That could handle like serious snow And they got stuck And they were there for nine days with no food and he went walking off to get help and froze to death and his family was eventually rescued how far did he make it i don't think he made it very far i mean he wasn't wearing the right clothes oh you're done he was wearing regular clothes you know and he just he was just desperate and he was trying to save his family and it's just so sad because i'd seen that guy on tv was so weird because you see a guy on tv reviewing gadgets like here's the latest laptop like Look at the, here's the Ethernet Port.

[204] And what we've got here is, you know, the blah, blah, blah, blah, and all this different stuff.

[205] He'd review, like, the most technical of technical things in terms of, like, the highest level of electronic achievement so far, right?

[206] Like, the newest gadgets that people love.

[207] Like, when you think about society and civilization, you think about those things.

[208] And meanwhile, the guy froze to death in the forest.

[209] Like the real life.

[210] all the tech in the world isn't going to save you because you get out into the wild.

[211] If you rely on something that has batteries for your sustainment of your life, you're going to be in trouble at some point.

[212] You've got to have baseline skills.

[213] Yeah, they say that like when people go into the forest, people are afraid of grizzly bears and all sorts of different things, but hypothermia kills more people than anything.

[214] Yeah, it doesn't surprise me. It's slow, too.

[215] I mean, that's the insidious onset of, you know, your feet get a little bit cold.

[216] And from what I've talked to some guys who work, like, up in Alaska, where's McKinley?

[217] I think McKinley's in Alaska, wherever McKinley is.

[218] And it's not uncommon for them to find people basically missing, but they're naked because it's that slow, that thought process degrades.

[219] Oh, I'm sweating and take my jacket off.

[220] And then they just lay down and go to sleep.

[221] Like, it's just like one percent at a time until you're basically a popsicle.

[222] And doesn't your brain pump morphine or some equivalent to morphine through your body when you're, like, near death?

[223] I think when you're in like severe pain or near death I don't think it does Make something I think you just go into shock Yeah I don't know the The physical process of what happens when you go into shock But I've seen some people that are in a lot of pain And they would have liked to have their brain Pumping some morphine Yeah Wouldn't pumping enough Perhaps Yeah just I'd read something about that There was someone who was trying to explain near -death experiences and like why when people have near -death experiences they have all these freaky visions and some of it they think could be connected to psychedelic chemicals that your brain produces which are that they definitely know that's true but I think there was also some talk about some morphine -like substance that your brain makes it wouldn't surprise me if your body recognized it was on the downhill slide that it would be a little yeah just like this dude doesn't need to keep screaming yeah probably just a protection mechanism if anything Yeah.

[224] Well, when you're out there, man, I think one of the cool things about being in the wilderness is that most people just never experience that for long stretches.

[225] And when you do get to experience it, it gives you sort of a, like, oh, I always thought the world was this.

[226] I always thought the world was Phoenix, Arizona, where you drive down the street, and you go to see your friend, and you get in the car, and you go to the movies, and there's a restaurant.

[227] And then you go to Montana, you go wandering through the forest, and you see deer.

[228] and bears and you see the mountains and the quiet and your cell phone doesn't work.

[229] And you're like, oh, yeah, this is the actual world.

[230] I have found that it's that and that people, and including myself, think that I am this.

[231] And then you go out into that environment where you're detached and then you have to rely upon yourself and your knowledge and your grit or your fortitude and you kind of figure out more of who you are as well, too.

[232] I don't think people really, you don't figure out who you are if you live in the a Los Angeles area.

[233] Do you know who you are in Los Angeles?

[234] Correct.

[235] But I don't think who you are in Los Angeles is who you really are.

[236] I don't think so either.

[237] I think you get to go out and outside of that and either rely on yourself or maybe even more importantly rely on somebody else and have that dynamic outside of a, I mean, you couldn't, I guess you could starve to death, obviously, or, you know, not have enough water.

[238] But the places to get those things in L .A., you could solve in a block in either direction.

[239] Yeah.

[240] Go far enough out in the woods and you're on your own.

[241] And to me, that's where you find out who you are.

[242] I do, I like being out there because I get to think about me a lot.

[243] Yeah, I think that's a real good point, that you're not who, like, you think you are who you are.

[244] You think you know yourself, but you know yourself in the environments that you know.

[245] Correct.

[246] The way you really find out who you are is to experience a lot of different environments and a lot of different difficult things.

[247] Like, you don't really know someone until you see them tired, until you see them exhausted.

[248] Hungry.

[249] Yeah.

[250] Yeah.

[251] Yeah.

[252] Yeah, well, John Dudley's always said that about hunting.

[253] Like, you think you know a guy.

[254] Take him hunting.

[255] His litmus test is hunting camp.

[256] Yeah.

[257] I believe he says, you'll either be friends for life or I'm never going to want to spend another moment with you.

[258] Yeah.

[259] It's pretty accurate.

[260] Yeah.

[261] See you come off the rails.

[262] People are, I don't want to get up at 5 in the morning.

[263] I just went to bed at 11.

[264] All right.

[265] Well, you're not on the invite list for next year.

[266] You're missing out in this thing we're doing.

[267] Yeah.

[268] Yeah, you can go hunt that P .B. and J in the refrigerator.

[269] There's a line where you've got to learn, though.

[270] Like, there is a line.

[271] We're like, okay, we could die today.

[272] This is not, we should, we should really be careful if we go out today.

[273] You know, this is, this is not the, like my friend Adam Green Tree, do you know, Adam?

[274] You got to meet him.

[275] First off, I don't know him, but I definitely follow him.

[276] Yeah.

[277] That motherfucker's the line.

[278] That's his water buffalo up there, by the way, right above Old Glory.

[279] That's awesome.

[280] Is that your elk from?

[281] Yeah.

[282] That one is, that's from Tahone Ranch.

[283] God, look at the rack on that thing.

[284] um but adam he he crosses that line he gets to the edge of that line he pushes that line is how i would describe it he goes out by himself a month at a time nothing but a tent runs out of water all the time drinks funky water coming out he's got that weird australian gut though where he could just drink water and like got some microbes going on in there whatever he's eating in his life it's like it's festering inside of his body it kills off everything else he doesn't get sick.

[285] The fucking guy drinks out of creaks all the time.

[286] Because he's probably always just sick and that's his normal.

[287] Maybe.

[288] He is sick.

[289] He's happy though.

[290] Yeah.

[291] But he gets close.

[292] Like he gets close to that edge like that.

[293] Do you ever see that, would you watch the Instagram story when the grizzly bear kept charging him and he's fucking filming it all for Instagram?

[294] Yeah, but he's also got an unloaded gun.

[295] I was very upset with him.

[296] No, it was loaded but he had never shot it.

[297] The bolt was out of battery.

[298] No, the bullets were the wrong size for the gun.

[299] So you could barely see the top of the gun I'm looking at it and you can see the barrel at the angle so the slide is back I'm like you're you can tell you're oh yeah you're pointing your finger at a bear at a bear you're going to pull on that as at each your face he said the bear ran to 10 yards no thank you full clip 10 yards pass false charge 10 yards he said when you see it running and you see the muscles rippling under the hair and the hair and the the snow and the moisture the breath and the noise of that claw ripping through the ground?

[300] No, thank you.

[301] And it's huge.

[302] You know, he said it was like a nine foot bear.

[303] He's just running out.

[304] And if so, if he, I mean, obviously he's got a ton of interactions with animals in the wild, but if he had run instead of standing his ground...

[305] He'd have been fucked.

[306] It would have attacked him, right?

[307] 100%.

[308] Oh, my God.

[309] Yeah, he would have been fucked.

[310] You can't, because they just have an instinct.

[311] It would just take you out.

[312] It's like you're weak, you're moving away, Not only you're not a threat now, now the bear has the opportunity to close the distance.

[313] And the bears don't exactly know what the fuck you are.

[314] They don't exactly know what the fuck a person is.

[315] They might have seen a person a few times before, but they don't eat a person and they don't fuck a person.

[316] The problem is when a bear does eat a person.

[317] Once a bear eats a person, like, oh, I could just fucking eat people.

[318] Delicious.

[319] They can't run at all.

[320] Like, a bear chases an elk.

[321] Like, it's kind of a hustle.

[322] There's a lot of running.

[323] I can't imagine a bear catching an elk.

[324] They catch them.

[325] Do they really?

[326] There's a crazy video of a bear eating a moose.

[327] He's chasing this moose, and it's a big fucking bear, and he's chasing him around a circle, and it looks like they're filling it from a helicopter, and the bear is just, this moose is hauling ass.

[328] See if you can find that, Jamie.

[329] The fucked up thing is, when bears catch you, they just eat you.

[330] They don't kill you first.

[331] Oh, they just start.

[332] They just start eating.

[333] Just like they do a salmon, how they grab a salmon and just bite into it and pull it apart.

[334] They do that to your guts.

[335] See, that's where I'm really hoping that morphine thing from your brain is true.

[336] Yeah, me too.

[337] Can you imagine looking up and seeing your lower torso inside of the mouth of a massive grizzly bear?

[338] I can imagine it.

[339] That's what's so scary.

[340] Do you ever see the movie Grizzly Man?

[341] No. How dare you?

[342] How dare you miss out on the greatest unintentional comedy in the history of the world?

[343] I'll watch it tonight.

[344] It's fucking great.

[345] We were talking about this before the show, but people who are gay, who don't want to admit they're gay.

[346] Run.

[347] That's this guy, and he decided to go live with the grizzly bears to protect them in the forest.

[348] Oh, he got eaten?

[349] I think I know this story.

[350] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[351] But it's a Werner Herzog film.

[352] Okay.

[353] And I don't know if Warner Herzog was trying to make it funny, but, and I mean, maybe it's just funny.

[354] No, it's funny, but it's funny to me because I have this crazy appreciation for wildlife and respect for it.

[355] And there's part of me that, like, Steve Ronella had a funny way of talking about this guy.

[356] He goes, hey, you say all you want about that guy.

[357] He goes, that guy was a hard camper.

[358] He goes, that guy did some hard fucking camp.

[359] And he was out there for six months at a time.

[360] I'm like, yeah, got to give respect.

[361] He really did live with the Bears for six months at a time.

[362] But Warren Herzog, the way he filmed it, he filmed, like, the way he would have people talking about the guy.

[363] Like, they go to a sheriff, and the sheriff's like, I thought he was retarded.

[364] Like, just really digging into that character and plot development.

[365] Yeah, I mean, it's just he shows you this guy's ex -girlfriend who's crazy and they're talking about his life and they interview one of his past roommates or some guy who knew him in L .A. And he's talking about how crazy he is and how he kind of made up a past for himself.

[366] And he was just like this really, he had like fake accents that he would use sometimes.

[367] It was just a really bizarre character who found his identity in taking.

[368] care, air quotes, taking care of these bears that didn't need taking care of.

[369] And he was going to protect these bears.

[370] And, you know, these bears just, they didn't give a fuck about him.

[371] Yeah, I don't think they wanted his protection.

[372] Oh, it was amazing.

[373] It's amazing.

[374] And anyway, the film of him getting eaten, he was filming bears, had the cover on the camera, but the audio ran.

[375] And the audio ran for seven minutes.

[376] By the way, if you try to find that audio online, it's not there, but there's some fake audio online that people attribute to it but if you listen to it with a discerning ear you can tell those people aren't really screaming it's fake screaming but it was seven minutes long of the bear eating him and his girlfriend his girlfriend hit the bear ate his girlfriend too yeah the bear the bear uh was eating him and the girlfriend hit the bear in the head with a frying pan it didn't do jack shit the bear tears her apart you know i'm not going to lie i'm more surprised that he had a girlfriend wasn't really a girlfriend was a girl that was a friend that thought she was girlfriend two worlds Two words.

[377] I've had friends that are gay that have wives and these poor wives they walk around looking like this all day long like this like what the fuck's wrong how come this guy doesn't fuck me like oh man there's a lot of poor bastards out there that are just deep in the closet and they don't...

[378] That's not cool I mean aren't we at that point now where you can just kind of do and be I wish we were I wish we were I know a couple guys that are deep deep in they don't even say like when I talk to them I talk to them in brief, brief chunks because I'm, I get this feeling from them where I'm talking to them where they just want to end the conversation before I go, hey, man, are you gay?

[379] Like, every conversation is like this really quick, really quick, really quick, really quick.

[380] Hey, good to see it.

[381] All right.

[382] Hey, take it easy, man. See you next time.

[383] Hold on.

[384] Hey, before you go.

[385] Are you gay?

[386] Are you gay?

[387] It's just, it's a bummer, man. It's a bummer.

[388] Yeah.

[389] I mean, to get to get to 2017 and not have that worked out seems to me to be a travesty.

[390] The fact that people give a shit.

[391] Yeah, why does anybody care?

[392] What are their choices that they make in their life?

[393] Well, my theory has been there's two types of people that care about gay marriage, and that is people who are really dumb are people that are secretly worried that dicks are delicious.

[394] I can get behind that campaign.

[395] That's my theory.

[396] That was one of my old bits.

[397] And I think that when, you know, there's a lot of it that people are afraid that other people are going to think they're gay.

[398] A lot of it is people that grew up where they hear terrible things about gay people or prejudice people around them, tell them crazy things about gay people.

[399] They don't realize that gay people are just people that like guys.

[400] That's it.

[401] And there's other guys that like guys, too.

[402] And if everything was open, they wouldn't feel so creepy.

[403] They feel creepy because they have to hide it and be secretive and always be.

[404] Yeah, like it's forbidden Yeah, so that's where the weirdness comes from But if you go to Santa Monica Boulevard There's these fucking There's this area of like three blocks In West Hollywood in Santa Monica Boulevard That I don't get out of my car It's not worth it You're just loading this scenario up I'm already thinking my head like I'm never going here You ever go to those wild animal parks Where you stay in your car And the monkeys jump on your car And rip your fucking wind show wipers off No Yeah They have those in New Jersey What?

[405] I went Yeah Yeah, the monkeys jump on your car.

[406] I don't know if they have them anymore, but they used to.

[407] You used to be there, and, you know, you'd have to, like, agree that the monkey might fuck your car up.

[408] You could sign a waiver when you go in?

[409] Yeah, like, don't go there with a Ferrari.

[410] Don't go there with a car that could get jacked because these monkeys might jack your car.

[411] But you would be around these animals and you'd stay in your vehicle the entire time.

[412] They have one in China, and it's a great story about a year ago.

[413] This lady was in an argument with her boyfriend.

[414] She's like, fuck you!

[415] and she got out of the car and she went around the car and she was yelling at him and a fucking tiger came you posted that video i saw that yeah and just yanked her away and then the tiger and then someone else chased after her and apparently she lived but her mom died her mom going out trying to save her yeah save her from the tiger and the tiger killed her mom it's dumb bitch just thought she was she's like i have it in my head i'm gonna fucking say what i want and i'm gonna get out of this car fuck you and she gets out of her car and she does it in a wild animal park filled with 800 -pound tigers.

[416] If you do stupid things, you're going to win stupid prizes.

[417] It's amazing how quick the tiger seizes the opportunity, though.

[418] I remember from that video, she was only on the driver's side of the car for a few seconds, so then it was lights out.

[419] Pull that up.

[420] Pull that up to me. It's a great video to watch.

[421] It's one of my favorite videos at all time.

[422] It's just like, I don't want anybody to get killed by a tiger.

[423] I really don't.

[424] But I do want, if someone gets killed by a tiger doing something really fucking stupid, I do want everybody to watch that.

[425] And go, hey, don't do that.

[426] This ain't the Lion King, motherfucker.

[427] This shit's real.

[428] Look, here it is.

[429] Oh, God.

[430] She gets out of the car and the wildlife zoo.

[431] She gets out.

[432] Watch, passenger side backs heat.

[433] Fuck you.

[434] Just imagine the argument going on right.

[435] Oh, it's front here.

[436] I'm out of here.

[437] Yeah.

[438] She's like, I'm so tired of your bullshit.

[439] She runs around the other side.

[440] She's got to make one more point.

[441] And the guy's like, hey, well, you just fucking relax, bitch.

[442] Just don't hit me. Don't hit me. God damn it.

[443] Get back in your car.

[444] Get back.

[445] Jesus.

[446] God damn it.

[447] Just drags her way.

[448] He runs out of the car.

[449] Oh, God.

[450] And then the mom runs out, and that lady's dead.

[451] The third lady's dead.

[452] And as the rangers come out, they're going to try to save her.

[453] See, I think the move is close all doors, just roll up windows.

[454] I think grabs are so quick.

[455] It's like, this is what I've wanted.

[456] I'm so tired of eating cold meat served on an aluminum tray.

[457] Fuck you.

[458] Fuck you for keeping me here.

[459] I think Here's the thing, man I think if they fed those tigers Wild animals They probably wouldn't do that They probably wouldn't give a shit About that lady But what they do is they give the tigers No animal reward They have an animal reward system Right?

[460] The tiger's job is to clean up The population Oh, there's one This tiger flying through the fucking air This dude Oh are you kidding me Yeah ripped his guy's hand apart It just flew up to the top Of an element Is he missing some fingers?

[461] Oh yeah That's what I'm talking about And yeah, tigers don't play.

[462] But if you let that tiger kill things, like if they let a bunch of axes deer lose, which It'll satiate that demand.

[463] Yeah, that would be what they look for.

[464] They would chase down the deer, eat them.

[465] They'd live like natural.

[466] But so they have this overwhelming desire.

[467] It's like, hmm, here's a way to put it.

[468] If you, yeah, if like if you were a guy, hmm, that's not a good way to put it.

[469] I was going to say if you're a guy and they extracted all the come from your balls, but they kept you horny but that doesn't make sense that doesn't make sense that makes absolutely no sense I bailed on it right when else I was like that's a bad analogy dude don't run with that one but these animals they get their appetite satisfied but not their appetite to kill they're born like you roll a ball yarn in front of a kitten fucking cat dives on it because that's what they're supposed to do they're supposed to attack things they have a built even little fluffy little kittens.

[470] They have a built -in desire to attack things.

[471] I think that's why people are the way they are on social media.

[472] They don't have the release that the human body, soul, spirit, however you want to describe it, is designed to get somewhere else.

[473] And if all you get it from is a device through other people's pictures or selective posts, I think you go crazy inside.

[474] I think that is why I don't trust nearly every human being on the face of the planet.

[475] It's just they're not, I don't think they get the chance to express who they want to be.

[476] I agree.

[477] 100%.

[478] I agree 100%.

[479] And I think I've been thinking a lot about this whole boss employee sexual assault, sexual harassment thing that's been going on.

[480] Yeah, every day and like something else comes out on that.

[481] And it's always the same thing.

[482] It's always a man in power and a woman who works for him and something goes down.

[483] And it's never the opposite.

[484] It's never chicks getting their pussy eaten by some dude who works in the office.

[485] It's never.

[486] There's a lot of women that are CEOs.

[487] Or it hasn't been reported yet.

[488] Those guys can keep their mouth shut, right?

[489] Or the guy doesn't consider that to be harassment.

[490] It's not.

[491] Yeah, she lets you fuck her and she buys you a car.

[492] Damn, you got a Mustang.

[493] The fuck are you going to the New York Post for?

[494] Oh my God, that almost came out of my nose.

[495] But if it's a, but I think this is what I think.

[496] I think that a lot of males, right, in a male in a position of power, like the chief of the village, Like that guy would probably have his choice.

[497] He was the warlord.

[498] He'd have this choice of women.

[499] And the women would respond to him in a favorable way, which would let him know.

[500] It would indicate to him that it's time to fuck, right?

[501] This girl wants it.

[502] I'm going to give it to her.

[503] So when a guy is like some Harvey Weinstein guy or someone who's at the front of some giant company and everyone in the office kisses his ass when he's there and everyone's so happy to talk to him and people are angling for raises and they're angling for promotions and they're always nice to him and they treat him like royalty i think the guys start thinking that these girls are attracted to him that they that he's gonna fuck them like this it's a power thing but it's also like a trick on the reward system that the brain has and then it's a scumbag thing too there's like a lot of factors in there i think i think it's a lot tied to the power side i cannot think of an example of any occupations that doesn't have that problem somewhere near the apex.

[504] Right.

[505] When a man gets in power.

[506] I think power, I think that as humans, we're only capable of dealing with so much fill in the blank when it comes to that, whether it's the money or the fame or people throwing themselves at you.

[507] I think at some point, depending on the moral compass that you have and how it's calibrated, it ends up swinging in the wrong direction.

[508] Because you can look at physicians.

[509] You could look at religion.

[510] and you could look at people in the military generals in the number of sexual assault cases and the generals like one to four star generals in the U .S. in 2017 was insanely high to comedy Bill Cosby to just fill in the blank you can find an example everywhere once you start getting to the apex I think there's just a disconnect on how much depending on who you are going into that position I think there's a disconnect on how much you can handle but Cosby was a really weird one because I I've had this theory for a while that I think that during Cosby's era, the 1960s, I think it was not just common to drug women, but it was almost like a joke, like that people thought it was funny, because drugs were fairly, fairly new, and the consequences of sexual assault weren't talked about, and it wasn't thought about the same way.

[511] And I think that during that day, like, he used to joke around about it in his act.

[512] I remember you're saying that before.

[513] He had jokes Spanish fly.

[514] There you go.

[515] Yeah.

[516] And he even had a segment or a scene on the Cosby show where someone would give something, someone and would make them have sex with them.

[517] Or he would put them to sleep with something.

[518] Like he would joke around about it.

[519] And he joked around about it on talk shows and stuff.

[520] I mean, this is.

[521] But I think that when you talk to someone who was around during the 1960s, they used to call it slipping someone a Mickey.

[522] Yeah, I've heard that term before.

[523] I think they just, once, like, quailudes and shit started coming out, they started giving them to people, just slipping them to them.

[524] That's so fucked up.

[525] So fucked up.

[526] But it still happens, man. To this day, it still happens.

[527] You know, I had these girls on the podcast the other day.

[528] Corinne and Christina from the podcast, Guys, We Fucked.

[529] And one of them was saying that she was hanging out with this guy and she had a drink.

[530] And then all of a sudden she just couldn't fucking control herself.

[531] Yeah, and her friends, like, got her into a cab or somebody.

[532] that right yeah and rescued her you had your hands full with those two that was like they were crazy it seemed to me like you had like two wet cats in a paper bag those girls nuts when she was talking about a hat an anal and anal orgasm with a vibrate I'm like well okay yes yes tell me more no I was listening that at my house I think folding laundry I was in my head I'm like damn you've got your hands full with those two girls are crazy but they're fun it was an entertaining podcast for sure they're girls that talk publicly the way girls talk privately when they have a couple drinks in them 100 % yeah and that's what's so attractive about their podcast i wish i had their i don't know what the term to use bravery or whatever it is to be that open and honest and like just fuck it here i am blank slate here's what i like here's what i don't like here's what i might like i don't know well it's it's appealing though when someone does do it like if someone you can tell you're like okay this person is actually they're they're being completely balls out honest yeah with no repercussions are worse so like say if they were an actress like let's find some famous who's a famous current actress good give me like a hot who's a hot Jennifer Lawrence yeah but she's already had that scandal she had that scandal where people got a hold of her pictures and you know was without her permission and shit like that yeah I'm out of my league on this one Scarlett Johansson okay let's say Scarlett Johansson if somebody like filmed her talking about how she had had an anal orgasm with a vibrator and how she likes having her boyfriend get his dick sucked in front of her that would and she didn't know that people were going to like it would be horrific she'd be oh my god she'd like have to stay home for days she have to pop advils and sleep on the couch with a fucking blanket over her head like you know what I mean she'd be horrified I can't believe that got out this is so awful or she could go on like yeah you goddamn right yeah but these girls just like blurt it out and then move on the next thing I like tacos you know it's like it's just one thing after the other but they're that's they're free you know and that's what people like those are people liked about Charlie Sheen until they found out he had AIDS yeah that was an interesting development in that particular story like oh this story takes a fucking terrible turn yeah now I got to change the lenses out on the glasses that I view you through yeah I thought you were winning yeah I thought you had tiger blood just freaking winning at every turn Yeah, I didn't realize you had the high five in the old tiger blood.

[533] Yeah, the high five that he got apparently is what started that whole thing off.

[534] What is insanity?

[535] Yeah, I'm sure it is.

[536] Yeah, well, it turns out that when he was diagnosed with HIV was right when he started going wild and talking about, you know, snorting, you know, smoking eight grams of crack and that's how I roll and all that shit.

[537] Yeah, okay.

[538] And I'm sure when you start off bat shit crazy, it doesn't help.

[539] When that's your baseline.

[540] But you remember how people reacted to that, though?

[541] They were like, yes, tell us what you're doing, Charlie.

[542] I mean, he did a goddamn tour of theaters, and he didn't have anything to talk about.

[543] He would sit down and just be like, all right, so just got done smoking an eight ball.

[544] Well, he would tell stories, but they had to craft what the thing would be.

[545] See, what started out was he was just going to go on this theater tour, and he's probably on Coke.

[546] Yeah, we'll fucking talk to the people.

[547] They're going to love us.

[548] And he didn't know really what to do.

[549] So the first couple of shows were a total disaster.

[550] And then he started bringing comics in there with him.

[551] So, like, my friend Russell Peters did a bunch of them with him.

[552] So he would go up for a little bit?

[553] No, the comic would kind of host the thing.

[554] Oh.

[555] So it was comic and then Charlie and they were sitting down talking.

[556] And this way you get to hear Charlie's wild stories and talking crazy shit.

[557] But the comic would frame it all with some actual comedy and comic in a comedic reaction to this maniac.

[558] So they keep it on the rails.

[559] Yeah.

[560] And Russell's a great comic, and he's particularly great at talking, like talking shit and ad -libbing.

[561] Like Russell's a great, he, like, does a lot of crowd work in his act.

[562] So he's, like, super fast and smooth.

[563] You say Russell Brand?

[564] Russell Peters.

[565] Okay, they said Russell Brand.

[566] Who was another guy you had your absolute hands full with on the podcast.

[567] Yeah, he's a character.

[568] Don't give that guy coffee.

[569] Yeah, he had a lot of coffee.

[570] Well, he's a drug -free character.

[571] Tug -free, sort of.

[572] yeah now now drug free that guy did enough drugs to kill all three of us in this room probably yeah he lived yeah god bless him now he's got a story to tell yeah but he's another guy he's pretty free you know even like with who he is now he's free and he's I cannot believe the transparency like I said I don't have I don't have the courage to just be like boom here it is let's just unzip the fly lay it out and here we are people like might though you just don't try I bet you did I try I try I try.

[573] Like so for the podcast, my rule is I just try to be honest.

[574] That's all I try to do is just be honest and portray myself as I am and say the things that I actually believe and not try to add 1 % to it.

[575] But there's still some people who were to ask me some questions, I'd be like, yeah, that's for another day.

[576] You know, I'm not going to answer every single question.

[577] Well, also, especially if it comes to like military shit, there's stuff you can answer.

[578] Well, then you just make stuff up.

[579] Oh, is that what you do?

[580] Pretty much.

[581] There's a lot of that going on, right?

[582] There's a ton of it going on, which is why I, most of the time, I try to dispel misconceptions.

[583] The reality is, no, there's really nothing that I've ever done that you can't talk about.

[584] Is there any books or anything that's ever come out where you knew one story and then you saw it come on?

[585] You're like, hmm.

[586] I have gone to the bookstore and read books written by an individual who said they were on a combat operation that I was on and don't remember seeing them there.

[587] Hmm.

[588] It's problematic.

[589] Yeah, that seems like a real issue.

[590] It's a huge issue.

[591] I would say 99 .9 % of books that have a Trident on them should be purchased and then put next to your toilet paper roll.

[592] So when you run out of toilet paper, you can just start ripping pages out of the books and wipe your ass with that.

[593] Is that just showing that symbol?

[594] It's the symbol that is associated with being a seal.

[595] When you get that symbol, they change your designator inside of the Navy system and it registers as a 53 -20.

[596] 26.

[597] Right, but why do you think, you think, like them using that tried in?

[598] Because it's recognizable.

[599] So they're doing it because they're bullshit artists.

[600] They're doing it.

[601] I can't say exactly why they're doing it.

[602] I know some people are doing it purely to make money.

[603] Some people got out a little bit early and have used the recognizability of that mark to further their own motives down the road and are purely 100 % profit seeking.

[604] Other people are, they're trying to tell, I guess, would be their story or their version of a story and that would be the people in the middle and then i guess on the other end the best example i point uh point people at is generally jaco's book it's not a book about hey no shit there i was which is the number one indicator of a story that's completely false as oh hey there there we were like no you're done why is that be people want to romanticize and embellish the reality of of what actually happened and i don't know if it's the desire to make it seem like it's more than it was.

[605] I don't know if it's because most of the time when you're coming from a military background, you're not used to any level with people really, I would call it fanship, I guess.

[606] You know what I mean?

[607] Like it's a, you, it's the military and being in the military is not about money.

[608] You know, I could, you can pull up online and see exactly how much every individual in the military is making based off what rank they are and how many years they've been in.

[609] So people will be approached and like, look, this is how much money you could make if you wrote a book and they're like holy shit that's you know and so they will and they'll make millions of dollars the problem is is if you start embellishing those stories in my mind at least it starts tarnishing the reality of what the occupation actually is and the in the good and sometimes amazing things that happen lose a lot of their value in my mind and i just think it's an enticement that guys are not used to inside of the military it's very when i was in the military i mean i feel like i was talking to jamie before we started i feel I'm late to everything.

[610] I'm late to social media.

[611] I'm late to, I had never listened to a podcast before I sat down and met you with Tate.

[612] Really?

[613] I had never listened to one.

[614] I had no idea.

[615] I had no idea the diversity of information that is out there.

[616] And you can go and, I mean, you can almost get like an advanced degree and whatever it is you want to get by just going.

[617] I had no idea.

[618] I'd never listened to one because I was so focused on something else.

[619] And then you lift your head up from that world.

[620] And you're like, what the fuck is going on?

[621] around here and you you know if you post the right pictures on social media of you and your outfit with your thousand yards stare off to the distance then you get more followers and then people like oh come and speak and it's like it's just it's an enticing thing to individuals in my opinion that are just not used to that and it can really it can really i think it can take you down a path that i would recommend most people don't take which is why i like the way jaco win is he has experiences, but he's trying to take those experiences and portray them in a way that people can make use of them.

[622] It's not about the story.

[623] It's about what he learned during the story and how you can implement that in your life.

[624] Yeah.

[625] So there's a broad spectrum of everything from literally rip off pages and wipe your ass to recommend to anybody that I encounter that asks about it.

[626] I think Jaco's new book is fantastic and it's so short.

[627] It's like it's an easy read.

[628] That's what makes you so fantastic.

[629] That book could change your life.

[630] Yeah.

[631] Because if those are those quotes are from a real inspirational guy He's not trying to really be I would say he's not trying to be inspirational He wrote down and committed to paper The principles that he uses to live his life Yeah his passion and his enthusiasm For getting up at 4 .30 in the morning And working out unprecedented For like a week I was getting up a few minutes before him And I would just post on Twitter like up before Jocko Hashtagg, don't be lazy And then I got fucking tired and I had to stop him don't do that he'll get up earlier he will but of course he was liking him i was like god damn i'm trying to elicit a response out of you jocko he thinks it's funny he oh he absolutely i mean because people i mean asked they will still ask me or i think he'll still ask him if we know each other and i've known him forever and they don't you can't you can't call out jaco like that i'm like i think it's okay i think it's going to be all right if i make funca jaco on twitter it's gonna be all right yeah he's got a good sense of humor yeah well especially if you know the guy yeah he's not going to get pissed about it but his father's like there's no funny man Some of them are a little intense.

[632] Just because you're up at 429, like, hey man, if you want to be a lazy bitch, go ahead.

[633] And then I have to stop myself.

[634] That's as far as I can go on Twitter because I will lose my mind and I don't want to be that person.

[635] Yeah, you can't respond to too many people.

[636] You have like a minimum or a maximum requirement per day.

[637] Just give yourself like a threshold.

[638] I've looked at three different comments.

[639] I'm out.

[640] I don't understand how you could possibly keep track or even tabs.

[641] I mean, your numbers are astronomical.

[642] No, I don't keep track.

[643] Occasionally I'll dip my toe into the water of social media, but for the most part, I don't.

[644] It's got to be like an abstract painting rolling by at like 60 miles an hour, and you can probably just catch one or two things that comes by.

[645] Well, also, between working out, writing comedy, doing stand -up, being with my family, archery, anything else I'm doing at the time.

[646] Yeah.

[647] I don't have the fucking dime.

[648] Podcasts.

[649] Yeah.

[650] UFC duties, whatever I have to do with the UFC.

[651] I don't have the time.

[652] It doesn't exist.

[653] Yeah, you're tapped out.

[654] So I do what I can.

[655] I post stuff and then I get out of there.

[656] And plus, I don't, the turmoil, I don't want to, like, you can't engage.

[657] Like, what's that that if you respond to every barking dog, you never get where you're going?

[658] Maybe.

[659] You ever heard that phrase?

[660] It sounds good.

[661] I'm with you.

[662] I think I paraphrased it.

[663] But that's the idea behind this.

[664] Like, there's no way.

[665] You don't have the time.

[666] And I have friends that have less followers who will go, like my friend Owen, Ben, Benjamin.

[667] He's fucking crazy.

[668] He'll have Twitter fights all day long.

[669] And I told him the other day, I'm like, bro, you're going to stop engaging.

[670] You've got to stop doing this.

[671] It seems like it would entice people once they recognize that you engage.

[672] It would entice them to hit you up more.

[673] Exactly.

[674] And then your time is you're done.

[675] Yeah.

[676] And then they'll try to piss you off.

[677] And then you go back and forth with them.

[678] Oh, well, fuck you.

[679] And then next thing you know it, you're up at 3 o 'clock in the morning, checking your Twitter.

[680] Exhausted the rest of the day.

[681] Just compliment people.

[682] When they say mean things, just right back, I think you're an amazing human being.

[683] heart emoticons send Mike thanks sweetie because they don't know how to take that yeah how long do you think you're going to last in the winter do you think you're going to wind up keeping a place in San Diego and just coming back here in November no I have really not thought about San Diego since the day that we left man I am wait till you get snowed in well I have like a good I have good cold weather stuff and I got you got a truck I do have a truck what kind I have a F -150 nice slightly modified though jacked it jacked up a little lift it's it came lifted 35s big tires 750 horsepower mud and snow tires probably 750 horsepower yeah Jesus Christ what the fuck do you have in the hood uh Shelby Supercharger oh you went you went deep it came that way my wife was so pissed at me because I went in with my other F -150 to get an oil change and I technically did get an oil change because I came on with this truck and she walked outside and she was just like god damn it but a lot of those like super sport performance trucks they they have street tires on them mine have massive knobby tires yeah i literally went in uh i got very fortunate and i got a great deal on a ford on like a pseudo endorsement sponsorship thing earlier so i had a bunch of equity in my truck i literally went in to get an oil change and right next to me in the spot was this ford f150 black ops model like like the Tusk, it's by a Tuscany.

[684] So I park and I get out of my truck, which I usually feel good, and I'm looking up at this other truck, and now I immediately feel like a bitch.

[685] And I'm just, and I, so I climbed up on the wheel, and I'm just reading the sticker because I couldn't read it from the ground.

[686] I'm just looking at it.

[687] I'm like, right, well, that price is totally outside of my range, and I go inside.

[688] And, of course, the salesman happened to see me, and he comes over to the service side of the, you know, giving the guy my keys, and he's like, what do you think about that truck?

[689] I think that thing's awesome, man. He's like, well, let's just run the numbers.

[690] I'm like, okay, four hours later, I'm going home in the new truck.

[691] Four hours?

[692] It took you four hours of the dealership?

[693] Your wife's calling up.

[694] Where the fuck are you?

[695] Well, she does that because it's not the first time it's happened.

[696] Oh, you've done that before?

[697] I tried to buy her a car one time.

[698] I told her I was taking her minivan in.

[699] Honda Odyssey, best urban assault vehicle ever, dual open doors.

[700] You could just take down a compound in that thing.

[701] Yeah, as long as you have blacked out windows, they don't see coming, right?

[702] Some rocket launchers on top of that bitch and just.

[703] roll.

[704] So I was like, hey, honey, I want to take you in.

[705] I'm going to take your car and get an oil change.

[706] I was getting her a Tahoe.

[707] And like three hours in, she starts calling.

[708] What are you doing?

[709] Like, oh, they found a leak in your flux capacitor.

[710] It's going to be a few more minutes.

[711] Shit about cars.

[712] But the future.

[713] Yeah.

[714] And so I come home and she's like, oh, I like, oh, I like that car.

[715] It's the wrong caller in the different seats.

[716] And I'm like, God damn it.

[717] So she went back and picked out her own.

[718] So after a couple hours of the dealership, I think she realized something was up.

[719] Yeah, I got in trouble for that.

[720] Yeah, I saw a video where they were comparing that Shelby supercharged F -150 to the Raptor.

[721] They were trying to figure out which one was better.

[722] I don't know, but I think that truck is ready to go for the wintertime.

[723] It's got some big old tires and entirely too much torque and power for me. Yeah, it's probably good.

[724] She'll break a little bit loose.

[725] Yeah, I'll break loose.

[726] Locking differentials and all that jazz too.

[727] I don't even know what that means.

[728] Locking differentials means you can, like you have an ARB locking differential and what you can do is you set it so that all we, wheels will always spin together, no matter what, so it locks together.

[729] So if you're in a place where one wheel is spinning, it doesn't work that way.

[730] All wheels spin together, and it's not good for driving down the road, but it's good for getting you out of places and for traversing very difficult terrain.

[731] It might have that.

[732] I might have fucked that up.

[733] But locking differentials are a, it's a must on any sort of off -road vehicle.

[734] I never plan to take it off -road, even though I think it's a...

[735] design for the zombie apocalypse.

[736] I try to baby that thing and just park it in the garage.

[737] Yeah, but what if you have to?

[738] Like, what if you have to go into the forest to get your elk?

[739] Well, if you're packing out.

[740] To call somebody else who's got it to a trail, some sort of a logging trail.

[741] Call somebody else.

[742] I don't think you can use it with a winchana.

[743] No, I was actually thinking about that.

[744] It's got to get a winch.

[745] I know.

[746] I don't even know what I'd use it for, but I feel like I would be more prepared for life in general with a winch on my truck.

[747] Bronco has a wrench.

[748] That thing's never going to...

[749] Doesn't suck.

[750] That thing's badass.

[751] Never going to use that winch?

[752] They were telling me how the winch works.

[753] Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[754] I'm fucking never using that.

[755] But you're thinking of the confidence that you have, getting climbing into it, you're like, I got a winch.

[756] I got a winch, bitch.

[757] Nothing can stop me. What the fuck's going to stop me?

[758] No. I got a winch.

[759] Yeah.

[760] You can pull something out of a ditch.

[761] That's like a man thing.

[762] Like, men want equipment they're never going to use.

[763] Like, I should always have a chainsaw just in case.

[764] 100%.

[765] You live in a fucking apartment in New York City.

[766] Why do you have a chainsaw?

[767] Never know.

[768] Might have to cut down the door.

[769] Shit goes wrong.

[770] Shit goes sideways.

[771] Trees start growing everywhere.

[772] But we're ready for winter, man. We got the ski passes ready to go.

[773] I can see world -class skiing from my son's bedroom.

[774] What mountain?

[775] We live just south of Whitefish.

[776] So in Whitefish, the mountain is called Big Mountain.

[777] It's not Big Sky.

[778] Most people confuse it, too.

[779] Big Sky's in Bozeman.

[780] I think you said you had been to Big Sky before.

[781] I've been to Bozeman.

[782] So Bozeman has Big Sky.

[783] Big Sky's like right out.

[784] side of Bozeman.

[785] Just south of it, correct.

[786] And Whitefish is just north of where we live in Calispell, and the big mountain is, it should be open in four days.

[787] We went to Bozeman, and we were there when they have this grizzly sanctuary.

[788] We took a ride to Yellowstone, and we stopped the grizzly sanctuary, and they have this fucking bears.

[789] They're so big, they don't even look like they're real, and they throw them frozen watermelons.

[790] And that's what they're eating.

[791] Yeah, a whole frozen watermelon.

[792] So they throw this frozen, because it was hot out.

[793] We went in the summer.

[794] Okay.

[795] And the bear just this giant block of ice.

[796] You know, that's what it is.

[797] It's a huge beach ball of ice.

[798] That's like a 20 -pounder.

[799] Yeah.

[800] The bear just opens his mouth and crushes it with one bite.

[801] Just cuts through the frozen watermelon like it's nothing.

[802] It's so sobering when you watch a bear lying on the water, right?

[803] He was in the water like lying on his back, holding this frozen watermelon in his paws and just chomping on it.

[804] eating it.

[805] It's not a Disney movie.

[806] No, I ain't a Disney movie, bitch.

[807] My brother -in -law, who has never hunted before, has purchased Red Works, one.

[808] Already has the Hoyt.

[809] He's already got a silverback sitting in his house.

[810] He's already got an elevate arrest, and his bow comes in, like, two weeks, and he was trying to explain, I had dinner with them last night, and he's trying to explain to his son and his daughter like it's not Bambi that I'm going to go hunting with and they're just like no daddy Bambi's cunty uncle no daddy you can't get but it's it's funny you and my kids were like why would you kill a bear dad or why would you kill a deer why would you kill an elk well to eat it 100 % yeah it's it's interesting though how people in my limited super limited experience into the hunting world very entrenched and dug in it's either no these animals like these is this is Bambi how Did you do that, or they have an understanding of what's going on?

[811] I'm like, oh, okay.

[812] I have a friend who's a hardcore vegan, and he's kind of an asshole about it.

[813] But he's got dogs, and he feeds him dog food, and he buys dog food from the dog food store.

[814] And it's got animals chopped up, ground up, stuffed into these bags.

[815] And he's good with that?

[816] And I'm like, you're a hypocrite.

[817] I'm like, you're a fucking hypocrite.

[818] You really are.

[819] He's like, well, the dogs are carnivores.

[820] We're not.

[821] I go, no, you choose to not be a carnivore.

[822] You choose to be an herbivore, okay, but most humans are omnivores.

[823] I was going to say.

[824] That's how we evolved.

[825] We evolved to eat a wide variety of foods.

[826] And this thing that you're doing is just you're standing out.

[827] And he's an asshole.

[828] He's a nice guy.

[829] But he's an asshole.

[830] And he's always been like a really negative guy.

[831] Like he's nice to me. He's nice to his friends.

[832] But he's always had this propensity for negativity.

[833] Pessimistic attitude towards the world.

[834] It's shitty to people.

[835] Yeah.

[836] He's successful as a human being, but shitty to people, like for whatever weird reason, just has this aggressive attitude.

[837] And now he uses it against, against people that are involved in hunting.

[838] And he gets off on it.

[839] He thinks it's fun.

[840] You know, it's just, it's a weird thing that you can sort of justify the torturing and killing of these animals to feed your dogs.

[841] But when someone wants to go out and hunt an animal to eat it, like I get all the people that are pissed off, that people go out and hunt lions and don't eat them, and hunt elephants and don't eat them.

[842] D giraffes and stuff, yeah.

[843] I'm with you 100%.

[844] But here's the thing.

[845] that's not eating deer that's not hunting buffalo or bison and eating bison that's not hunting and eating things that we're talking about two totally different things and then when you get to like the lions and the elephants and there's a real problem and the real problem is that there's not enough money in conservation to ensure the safety of these animals unless these animals are valuable, and the most valuable way that you can present these animals.

[846] This is fucked up, but is as hunting targets.

[847] And I'm not saying this is the only way to do it, and I think it's not.

[848] But Africa is a crazy place, and the best documentary about it is Louis Theroux, who's a British documentarian, did this trip where he went to one of those high fence hunting camps in Africa.

[849] You know those things?

[850] I've been to Africa.

[851] I was in Kenya, but I've never been around any of them.

[852] But you weren't hunting people.

[853] Were you?

[854] I was actually there building schools.

[855] Only good of you.

[856] I'm a humanitarian show.

[857] You're a sweetie.

[858] At heart.

[859] I am a sweetie.

[860] But Louis Thoreau's documentary, Louis Theroux, his documentary is amazing.

[861] Because you kind of get the sense of what it's all about.

[862] Like these animals, a lot of them were going extinct just a couple of decades ago.

[863] Because there's massive poverty all throughout Africa and there's no money.

[864] And they figured out that if you take these animals, protect them, put them inside a fenced area, and talking about these enormous, like 10 ,000 acre reserves, and then people fly in to hunt them on a daily basis.

[865] They get a tremendous amount of money.

[866] So then these animals, their populations are booming.

[867] They're higher than they've ever been.

[868] And the animals are protected.

[869] They're no longer in any danger of being extinct.

[870] But a lot of people are super uncomfortable with the circumstances.

[871] I get that, too.

[872] I'm in the same boat as you.

[873] Like, to me, I don't, like, hunting a giraffe.

[874] not into it personally.

[875] I'm not going to make a character judgment against somebody who is or the elephant or whatever animal you may go to call it trophy hunting.

[876] Like I don't know enough about it.

[877] I would assume and hope that the situation is exactly like you described where the people who live in the area are managing and monitoring the species and making sure it's good to go.

[878] And if they're doing that, I have no issue with it.

[879] And in the same breath, I totally understand why it's very off -putting individual who see a picture of that and just loses their shit.

[880] Yeah, I completely get the elephant thing in particular.

[881] Elephants, to me, are this kind of majestic, sweet animal.

[882] But the reality of people living in Africa is different.

[883] People that live in Africa, elephants destroy their crops, trample them.

[884] I mean, it really becomes a big issue of elephants move into areas where they're farming.

[885] Yeah.

[886] And they have to do something about it.

[887] And sometimes they'll have to hire hunters or have someone come in and do it.

[888] And then once someone does shoot one of those elephants, the amount of people that come in, have you ever seen what happens?

[889] I think you posted a picture.

[890] Yeah.

[891] Or it was either you or KM posted a picture of, I think it was an elephant, and it was a line of people outside of the border of the picture.

[892] I'm assuming they were waiting to come and get their share of the meat or whatever it was from that animal.

[893] Yeah, I mean, these are people that have a really hard time getting meat.

[894] And elephant meat, as gross as it sounds to people listening to this, is supposed to be unbelievably delicious.

[895] If you were raised on it, I mean, yeah.

[896] It's supposed to taste really good.

[897] I'm not saying you should go out and get an elephant burger, folks, but I'm just saying...

[898] Please don't, actually.

[899] This whole thing is...

[900] It's very complicated.

[901] And you could say, well, these people shouldn't be raising crops where the elephants live.

[902] The problem is, this is not like any other thing.

[903] Like, it's not like an encroachment issue.

[904] Like, these people are living in a fucking village in Africa.

[905] I mean, this is, like, literally where humans evolved.

[906] So this is a real situation of humans in a very small tribal situation.

[907] encountering elephants that just decide that, hey, I'm an elephant.

[908] I'm fucking 10 ,000 pounds.

[909] I'm just going to eat your food, bitch, and you're going to do shit.

[910] And these people don't know what to do about it.

[911] There's a lot of that.

[912] And there's, see, that's the other thing.

[913] People say, well, elephants are going extinct.

[914] So yes and no. In some places of the world, you go to Iowa, there's no elephants, right?

[915] Montana as well, they're extinct.

[916] No elephants.

[917] But there's parts of Africa that have a lot of elephants, and they actually have to control the populations.

[918] and it's the same thing with deer like people in California will tell you you know hey you know you shouldn't shoot a deer you talk to people in Iowa and you're like please you gotta shoot these deer my wife wrecked her fucking car she's in the hospital same thing in Montana there's deer on the side of the road everywhere everywhere everywhere and you can see fur on the bumper bumper is in windshield smashed it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to put two and two to get yeah it's a very advanced degree I love how people in Montana have those fucking road warrior grills.

[919] Oh, I got one.

[920] You got one?

[921] Bring it.

[922] Come on, dear.

[923] Apparently, if you hit a deer in Montana, you can call the fish in game.

[924] Let them know what happened.

[925] Throw it in the trunk.

[926] Yeah.

[927] I like that.

[928] That's good, because then you get to keep the meat.

[929] The meat doesn't just go to waste.

[930] I like that as long as you're not driving around looking for a deer.

[931] Well, that's what someone said, but the problem with that is the odds of you hitting a deer on purpose are like fucking zero.

[932] I know.

[933] But if you try to avoid them, it's a pretty high percentage.

[934] I've almost hit a few.

[935] Like, I don't want to hit a deer in this truck.

[936] Oh, my God.

[937] Yeah, I remember I was coming home once.

[938] I had a gig in upstate New York.

[939] And I was driving down to where I lived in New Rochelle.

[940] And I hit this one patch that had so many deer.

[941] I had to drive like 20 miles an hour on the highway.

[942] It was fucking insane.

[943] They probably wouldn't even get out of the way either.

[944] They were just darting in front of the road, like left and right, left and right.

[945] And I'm talking like an infestation.

[946] It was crazy.

[947] And this is what happened.

[948] when there's no predators and no hunters.

[949] And, you know, you don't want wolves in your backyard people once you live in Montana.

[950] Kind of cool.

[951] I would still take a strong pass on wolves in the backyard.

[952] Yeah.

[953] I would like to see them.

[954] When I was up there, this lady who lived up there was talking to us, and she said she lives in this canyon and they had wolves come through a couple nights before, and I said, what is that like?

[955] She goes, well, it's two things.

[956] She's like, it's beautiful, and you also have to be cautious.

[957] So it's this thing where you're like, I really love that they're there, and I love looking at them, but I want them to go away.

[958] I love looking at them from the safety and security of the inside of my house.

[959] Yeah, she's like, well, people get a little nervous about their livestock and definitely their pets.

[960] I go their pets, she's like, yes, that's number one.

[961] They will kill dogs real quick.

[962] I bet it sounds amazing, though, to hear a pack of wolves in the wild.

[963] I have no experience with that.

[964] It's got to be, I had never heard an elk bugle until.

[965] September.

[966] Oh, wow.

[967] And I also thought that they, after I heard them bugling, I assumed that they did that all year round.

[968] I just thought, okay, I'll communicate by bugling.

[969] I had no idea that for basically a month, you can hear them communicating like that.

[970] And then they zip it and start working together as a little, probably not a herd.

[971] Yeah.

[972] I had no idea.

[973] And I was in a valley when I was in the middle of my other than optimal hunting experience and just surrounded by boo.

[974] We couldn't have had this conversation at this volume because it was so...

[975] I'm like, you got to be shitting me. There's a film that's coming out Friday with me and Cam went to Utah and we're hunting elk in Utah.

[976] And there's one scene in it where we just, every now and then if you go elk hunting, especially this one place in Utah is this enormous ranch.

[977] It's a private ranch and it's 240 ,000 acres.

[978] Where were you in relationship to Salt Lake City?

[979] A couple hours.

[980] In which direction?

[981] I wasn't paying attention.

[982] and Jed was driving.

[983] You don't know of South East West?

[984] I was looking at my phone.

[985] So it was in Utah, got it.

[986] There you go.

[987] We're in Utah.

[988] Get off Twitter, Joe.

[989] God, damn it.

[990] I had to do email.

[991] I was behind.

[992] So, anyway, there's this one part of the film while we're in there.

[993] And you literally, you might hear a hundred bugles around us.

[994] It's like, bha, scream and left and right.

[995] Yeah.

[996] And you know, the audio, even if you were in like an IMAX theater, would not do it justice.

[997] Just, I couldn't believe it.

[998] The one thing I know I don't have enough of is interactions around animals to understand behavior and like patterns and what to expect.

[999] But, I mean, and that day was a reinforcement of that.

[1000] I was sitting there.

[1001] My jaw was on the floor.

[1002] I could not believe what it sounded like.

[1003] It's like a mystical animal.

[1004] Like the sound it makes.

[1005] It's almost like a Lord of the Rings character.

[1006] And when you watch him do it too, just like, br -hmm.

[1007] We watched this one elk, fuck this cow elk.

[1008] And it's crazy the way they do it.

[1009] The way they do it is like a Brock Lesnar double -leg tank down.

[1010] Like he got on top of her from behind and then, boom!

[1011] He hits her one time and just shoves her forward and she collapses on her front legs.

[1012] And he kind of like wobbles off of her.

[1013] But he's a one -pump chump.

[1014] Maybe that's what they're into.

[1015] That's what they're into.

[1016] Yeah.

[1017] One bang, get it done, move on to the next.

[1018] And he's doing it all day long.

[1019] For a month.

[1020] Yeah.

[1021] draining himself they lose like 30 40 pounds oh do they really probably more yeah i bet them well i'm saying 30 40 pounds but they're you know seven 800 pound animal i bet they lose a lot more than that they get real skinny they stop eating they just fuck like crazy for two months unbelievable animal but probably the most majestic animal that i've ever been around i cannot wait until next september yeah there's a real controversy in montana about wolves because the wolves that are in montana right now have been reintroduced from canada They captured them from Canada and then reintroduced them to the Yellowstone area.

[1022] And there's a really interesting video about it called The Wolves Changing Rivers, I think it's called.

[1023] It's like a short film.

[1024] It's a short film.

[1025] I think it's called How Wolves Change the River.

[1026] And it all just talks about how the introduction of the wolves changed the way the river flowed because, is this it?

[1027] How wolves change rivers.

[1028] Yeah, it's pretty badass because it shows the need for predators.

[1029] It shows that you can't just have this overabundance of wildlife like undulates, cows and elk and things, because they eat all the grass.

[1030] And when they eat all the grass, the trees never grow a strong root system.

[1031] So there's a lot of things happen.

[1032] It turns the ecosystem on its head.

[1033] Yeah.

[1034] Yeah, and some birds don't survive.

[1035] And, you know, there's like songbirds.

[1036] have, like, been spotted in, like, really high numbers in Yellowstone now.

[1037] There's a bunch of stuff they documented it, but a lot of it is because the wolves chased down the elk and made the elk, and it decimated the elk population, like, knocked it down to, like, half.

[1038] But in the process, made those elk, like, just a little bit more wary, a little smarter, still a healthy population.

[1039] But that's kind of how it's supposed to be.

[1040] It's not supposed to be, like, these hunters that live there, they got super spoiled because they were used to, like, seeing hundreds of elves.

[1041] Yeah, they roll out a bed, like, yeah.

[1042] Slide open the door and get the laser range finder out.

[1043] Yeah.

[1044] Well, especially if you're a rifle hunter, which a lot of them are.

[1045] There's way more rifle hunters than bow hunters.

[1046] Can't get behind that?

[1047] Can't get behind rifle hunting?

[1048] I mean, no, I can't.

[1049] You need meat.

[1050] It's the way to do it.

[1051] I get it.

[1052] I'm saying meat myself personally.

[1053] It has no draw or interest whatsoever.

[1054] Yeah.

[1055] Bo hunting, on the other hand, now we're talking.

[1056] What's the difference to you?

[1057] One I absolutely suck at, and the other one I generally can hit what I'm aiming at.

[1058] And it's easier with the rifle, like wind is the perfect example.

[1059] You take a shot with a rifle in high wind.

[1060] The wind, when you're thinking of a rifle, is from the ballistic effect of the round.

[1061] You know, left or right and the temperature and all that stuff.

[1062] Wind with a bow, you're crawling on your belly and you're being a ninja.

[1063] And then it's like, animals gone.

[1064] Like, God, dear.

[1065] Completely different ball.

[1066] game.

[1067] You could sit with a rifle with a cooler and a bowl of chili and get an elk.

[1068] Well, you know another thing that gets me with rifles?

[1069] And I don't think you should make it any more difficult.

[1070] It's not my point.

[1071] I think the most effective and efficient and ethical way you should kill an animal should be the way you do it.

[1072] But there's these pods that people have, these tripods that they set up.

[1073] It's a tripod with a bench.

[1074] It's essentially got like a mobile rifle bench sitting there on, so it's got a sled, you know, like a lead sled.

[1075] You can just bring your finger in from the outside and just bring it back.

[1076] And it doesn't move at all.

[1077] No. You don't even have to have it in your shoulder.

[1078] You lock it in place.

[1079] You screw it down.

[1080] So you have it the perfect angle.

[1081] You set it on the vitals and you just squeeze it off and boom.

[1082] And the bullet goes exactly where you want it.

[1083] In that setup, you could actually not even have it should.

[1084] You could go sit in a chair to the side of it.

[1085] Oh, yeah.

[1086] People do it all the time.

[1087] Yeah.

[1088] To be clear, I support hunting whether you want to.

[1089] However you want to do it, I'm a full fan.

[1090] For me, personally, I just can't get into rifle hunting.

[1091] It's too easy.

[1092] If you put an elk anywhere from zero to 1 ,500 yards in front of me, it's game over, son.

[1093] Right.

[1094] Well, you're an expert marksman, though.

[1095] I mean, I would say I'm a marksman.

[1096] I don't know if I would add expert to it, but I can sometimes hit things at distance.

[1097] I miss sometimes.

[1098] I got some good miss stories.

[1099] But when you see an animal and you're hunting it with a bow, so the thing is the difficulty and the challenge and the connection to the animals way more intense because you're trying to get inside of 40 yards.

[1100] The whole thing to me is it's not a matter of how much I feel like I can do right.

[1101] It's a matter of how few things I can mess up.

[1102] And I love fighting against the odds like that.

[1103] I love the challenge of having to worry about not only cover and concealment and, you know, high ground versus low ground, but shadows and light and moving and noise inside of that moving and monitoring the wind.

[1104] And then the fact that the animal might just want to go take a piss and you're screwed.

[1105] You get the best stock in the woods.

[1106] Like, I've got to take a whiz.

[1107] I love the challenge of it and I suck at it.

[1108] So I just, it is a draw to me that my wife is already shaking her head at me. She's just like, God damn it, you're going hunting again?

[1109] I'm like, yeah.

[1110] So I think for some people, the issue that they have is that they think that killing an animal should not be this pleasurable challenge that it should be, if you are going to eat animals, you should be shooting them in the head with a high -powered rifle where you can't miss and they die instantaneously and there's no suffering.

[1111] If only that situation actually existed.

[1112] Well, it can.

[1113] If you shoot them from five yards.

[1114] Well, you know.

[1115] I've missed some big targets with a rifle from pretty damn close.

[1116] How close?

[1117] Seven feet.

[1118] Hey, man, when you're running through a hallway, it's tough sometimes.

[1119] Well, that's a different animal.

[1120] It's a different animal both figuratively and literally.

[1121] I missed.

[1122] You know, there is no 100 % solution.

[1123] That's true.

[1124] I get it.

[1125] I mean.

[1126] Right, but if an animal doesn't know you're there and you're setting up and it's a 100 -yard shot and you have a 300 -300 wind mag or something like that.

[1127] And you don't even need to get to 100 yards, realistically.

[1128] You could be 300 or 500 or whatever you feel comfortable shooting at.

[1129] If you want meat, though, it's the way to go.

[1130] But also, why not enjoy the experience?

[1131] I don't think there's anything wrong with, to me, it's a challenge.

[1132] and more than a challenge and whatever it sounds gay but it's a journey I enjoy I don't know I don't know just Journeys are gay It depends I guess On the type of journey How do you feel about the Lord of the Rings That was a journey That was a journey I watched all those movies What about the books?

[1133] I don't Didn't read the books I want to go to New Zealand And jump off the cliffs In that movie Oh my God But the The journey is Like why not enjoy it I enjoy the struggle I enjoy the struggle I enjoy that it's hard to hit what you're aiming at with a bow, exponentially more so that every time you add a yard to the distance.

[1134] I enjoy that the animals are, they have instincts that are amazing and that you cannot defeat their nose and that you can't control the, I enjoy all of that.

[1135] That to me is, I think, and I'm enjoying that experience and then, again, this is my first bow hunting season.

[1136] I started bow hunting in late August, so I have almost no experience under my belt.

[1137] but I do enjoy the final aspect of that as well too and getting into position and being able to perform in that moment.

[1138] I don't think there's anything wrong with enjoying killing an animal that you're doing so respectfully.

[1139] And like my freezer right now, my house, my goal is to never go to the grocery store and buy meat again for the entire year.

[1140] And I think our freezer is full enough to do that.

[1141] My kids love it.

[1142] I've made, I got maple elk sausage.

[1143] I got Italian elk sausage.

[1144] I got Bratworth.

[1145] I got steaks.

[1146] I got roast.

[1147] Like we're not going to the grocery store.

[1148] Yeah.

[1149] That, to me, like, so why not enjoy that whole process, that whole story arc doing it ethically and enjoying the journey along the way?

[1150] No, I agree with you, but I just wanted to hear you spell it out because that's the issue that a lot of people that are sort of in the animal rights activist side of things.

[1151] One of the things that they would have an issue with is the enjoyment part of it.

[1152] But I can't help it if some people are pussies.

[1153] It's just the challenge of like doing things that are hard is enjoyable.

[1154] and succeeding at things that are difficult to do is also enjoyable.

[1155] Yeah, why can't you be happy about winning?

[1156] Why can't you be happy about accepting a challenge willingly and nobody's forcing you into it?

[1157] And when you're successful, you're not only happy with that success, but you're happy with every step along the way.

[1158] I don't see any problem with that.

[1159] Well, because they're Bernie Sanders supporters.

[1160] I'm not qualified to talk on that topic.

[1161] Just kidding.

[1162] People are like, oh, this is you fucking with you right up into that point, man. I fucking love Bernie.

[1163] Relax.

[1164] We're joking around here, folks.

[1165] Yeah.

[1166] I love it, man. Even if you're not a hunter, I mean, if someone doesn't want to hunt, I think take prolonged trips to the wilderness.

[1167] I think it's fucking great for you.

[1168] I think I started doing it in 2012, and it's changed my life.

[1169] I wholeheartedly agree.

[1170] I was dead serious when I say, I don't think you figure out who you are until you get into those environments.

[1171] I have taken a sounding on the depth of who I am as a human being in the worst, most physically.

[1172] arduous moments of my life and I and I wish that more people would willingly go to that point I think that it would it changes my perspective for sure it changes my appreciation for things nothing will make you appreciate the little things in your life more than nearly dying and having you know and like oh wow like I have all of these things that I wasn't paying attention to people don't know the people who didn't listen to your earlier podcast don't know your story so tell tell people what happened when you almost died on the jumping side of the house the military side let's go to the military first and then we'll go to the jumping side yeah i mean i don't know if i necessarily seems like to me like you might be supplementing your need for danger with this jumping thing we didn't talk about how you described me as a psychopath every time you i was fucking crazy dude dude you you're crazy i'm the same as person that i know and i texted you that once and you responded you think i'm the yeah what yeah because like well for one you you don't know you You willingly used to enter into fights, and you have said before that you would have gone into the octagon in an earlier age.

[1173] To me, that's insane.

[1174] It's just for whatever reason, like going in there and just willingly going and just getting into a fist fight with somebody.

[1175] How much martial arts experience do you have?

[1176] Exactly, zero.

[1177] Yeah, that's, martial arts a lot like bow hunting.

[1178] How much you got into it?

[1179] A bus jumping experience do you have?

[1180] Fucking zero.

[1181] Exactly.

[1182] I want to take a dirt nap with zero on the ledger.

[1183] Look at that fucking picture.

[1184] Look at that suit.

[1185] God damn.

[1186] Damn, that earth looks round.

[1187] Weird.

[1188] Fish eye lens, Joe.

[1189] Fish eye lens.

[1190] What I've been able to determine for my jumping is that, yes, people, the world is round.

[1191] You saw it from the sky?

[1192] You could tell?

[1193] Are you sure?

[1194] When I jump from pretty high, you can see a little curve.

[1195] Here's something that someone pointed out that's a really good point.

[1196] I'll reiterate it.

[1197] I retweeted it.

[1198] You could look at the moon with the telescope.

[1199] I was going to go to the same place because I read that.

[1200] Yeah.

[1201] Clearly, right, folks?

[1202] Okay.

[1203] try to look and find Mount Everest with a telescope and then explain why you can't yeah you can't because it's on the other side of the fucking planet you dummies crazy people yeah so sad to me it is people love mysteries though they love things that are hidden like hidden hidden information anyway that's why the seal books right there you answered why people will buy because of that god damn symbol they look at they're like oh i want to know the secret of course yeah it's Yeah, and there is no secret.

[1204] That's what I, and that's the point I try to.

[1205] I want to get to that, definitely.

[1206] But I don't want, the martial art thing, but the martial art thing, I think, is a lot like the bow hunting thing, and that it's very, very difficult.

[1207] And once you start doing it, you get better at it, and then you get addicted to it.

[1208] And it's not crazy people, like, I'm not even talking about, like, actual competing and fighting, but just training.

[1209] Because when you're training, you're competing.

[1210] Yeah.

[1211] Like, when you go onto the maths, you train, you're trying to improve yourself, but you're also trying to tap someone who's trying to tap someone who's trying to tap.

[1212] you and you go you're both going at it and when you do it and you get better at it and you get better at it you develop this kind of understanding of what it is and it becomes this like very addictive thing like guys are addicted hard to jujitsu well is it possible to master or is it a never -ending evolution well you you'd be a master in comparison to someone who doesn't know what the fuck they're doing but you will definitely physically the only problem is your body starts to break down as you get into your older ages like most guys that I know that are in their 40s, and for sure in their 50s.

[1213] Like, I was in Hawaii recently with, um, um, uh, Ed O 'Neill, who's a black belt in pursuing Jiu -Jitsu.

[1214] A lot of people don't know.

[1215] Big Ed O 'Neill from married with children and, uh, modern family, that guy, he's a beast.

[1216] Seriously?

[1217] Yes.

[1218] Yeah.

[1219] The dad?

[1220] Uh -huh.

[1221] Legit black belt and jujitsu under the Gracies, yeah.

[1222] Would have never guessed that in a million years.

[1223] Somebody fucks with them.

[1224] They're getting thrown in their head and choked unconscious.

[1225] But he was telling me. I would like to see this.

[1226] There he is right there.

[1227] Ed O 'Neill, Black Belt, training with Hory and Gracie.

[1228] Look at that.

[1229] What's the average journey to a Black Belt years -wise?

[1230] I'd say 10.

[1231] 10 is average.

[1232] And that's grinding, like getting after it, not Thursday every other week?

[1233] Yeah.

[1234] But some people get there quicker than 10.

[1235] You know, BJ Penn got his in three.

[1236] I was a brown belt for eight years.

[1237] Eight years is a brown belt.

[1238] I like your style, Joe.

[1239] I was fucking off.

[1240] You and I could train together.

[1241] I was training like twice a week and, you know, trying to have a career.

[1242] But, you know, for the people that really get into it, they really get obsessed with it, it becomes just as addictive as archery, bow hunting, anything else.

[1243] And I think what we were talking about earlier, when we were talking about people being angry and, like, on social media because they're not getting those natural rewards and the natural struggle of life and their life is very muted in that regard.

[1244] Or no struggle.

[1245] Yeah, or no struggle.

[1246] I think that's one of the reasons why do you.

[1247] Jiu -Jitsu is so appealing to people.

[1248] And even though you get injured in Jiu -Jitsu, but most of the injuries like, ah, I tweaked my back or I fucked up my elbow or my knee got screwed up, it's not like brain injuries.

[1249] The brain injuries were the ones that were the most disturbing to me because I was, I was recognizing at like 21 that I was having some issues.

[1250] You were talking about this recently, about just the headaches laying in bed.

[1251] I have, and I know a lot of guys from previous career who are suffering from or discovering or the military is doing research into the causes of the brain injury issue, it's not awesome to read your future when you get diagnosed with that and like, okay, so what does it look like when I'm 60?

[1252] What does it look like when I'm 70?

[1253] Like, that's not, those aren't good tarot cards to read.

[1254] My good friend, Dr. Mark Gordon, who is an expert in traumatic brain injury and does a lot of work with soldiers.

[1255] And Andrew Mars Foundation, he has a work.

[1256] Warrior Angel Foundation, and Dr. Gordon does a lot of work with him, and they have developed some really good protocols for helping guys, and he's helped a shit ton of guys, and he does a lot of the work for, like, nothing, just trying to help as many people as he can, because, you know, he's, he's doing well financially, you know, he doesn't, he's not desperate for money, so he does a lot of charity work, is my point.

[1257] Yeah.

[1258] He's dedicated, a significant amount of his professional time to trying to, find solutions for soldiers and also he's done a lot of work with football players and boxers and fighters anybody who's going to get that enclosed brain trauma at the end of the day I think on the chart it ends up looking the same doesn't matter how you necessarily got it the UFC is involved in some new protocols now too they they've developed some stuff in san diego in magnetic therapy.

[1259] Magnetic resonation.

[1260] You know what it is?

[1261] You heard it?

[1262] There's a, it may will be the same clinic.

[1263] There's a couple buddies that I have who came to San Diego, La Jolla area.

[1264] They would go in once a day or twice a day for a quick session.

[1265] I'm pretty sure it was magnets placed either across from each other, whatever it was, a protocol.

[1266] I think it was for a month.

[1267] And to a person, they all actually said that they had significant benefit, whether that be, most of them were saying they were sleeping better.

[1268] and I don't know the causality or correlation there, but they had improvement.

[1269] It could have been their mood function, whatever it may be.

[1270] So how do the fighters, what do they think about, if you get knocked out in the UFC, like you're just flatlined, do you have a minimum amount of time before you can go back?

[1271] I think most of the time they give them a 90 -day suspension, which, in my opinion, is way too short.

[1272] I was going to, yeah.

[1273] Because first of all, they say like 90 days, no contact, but those guys are going to be sparring before then.

[1274] So that is the issue that I've heard with some of the active duty guys now.

[1275] They'll go in and from a perspective if they kind of want to preempt and get an idea of where their head is at currently, they'll go in and they'll get a scan or however they, they couldn't give me the scans because I have retained metal in my body.

[1276] But I think a lot of it is based off of MRIs and the magnets and stuff.

[1277] And they'll recognize that they have the precursors or they'll have damage to their head.

[1278] and the guys, they don't want to take any time off, they just want to get back into it.

[1279] It's a struggle.

[1280] They're like, hey, listen, this could be what it could look like for you in the coming years.

[1281] And the guys are like, yeah, I get it, but put me back in, coach.

[1282] It's a struggle to get them to take time off, which doesn't surprise me that the UFC guys are the same way.

[1283] No, that's absolutely the way they are, especially the real savages, the ones are the winners.

[1284] Like Michael Bisping, you know, he lost to George St. Pierre, and then three weeks later fought against Calvin Gaslam and got stopped.

[1285] And a lot of people criticize that, me included, so they shouldn't let him in there.

[1286] You know, I mean, he needs time to recover.

[1287] He got battered in that fight, got choked unconscious, then you've got him fighting again three weeks later.

[1288] It's just not smart.

[1289] But he would have probably not knowing a thing about it fought tooth and nail to get into that ring, would be my guess.

[1290] And he'll probably fight two weeks later.

[1291] It's a fucking animal.

[1292] Until you're...

[1293] Yeah, until you're done.

[1294] 60 and then you're drooling on yourself and, you know, you think you're the Easter bunny.

[1295] Yep.

[1296] I mean, that's not a good look.

[1297] No. And it's possible.

[1298] yeah for sure yeah you have to almost protect people from themselves or maybe there could be an argument that there should be sort of a comprehensive education for fighters at least because this is an elective thing right and which you're definitely going to get hit for soldiers might be a good argument as well but that there should be some sort of elective uh or uh you know um some sort of an education thing that's the word i was going to say at least at least educate to the just go in go into whatever situation you're going to go into whether it's a ufc or the NFL or the military whatever just go in with an educated perspective instead of going in blank and and at the end of it not understanding where you're at it and why it happened so what do you think it is that makes you want to jump out of planes perfectly good airplane you put a squirrel suit on yeah uh do you think this is what i asked you before.

[1299] Do you think that this is like you're fulfilling some sort of a desire for excitement, some need for extreme situations?

[1300] Well, so skydiving, jumping out of an airplane is to me, if you follow some very basic principles, you know, being current and maintaining your gear and taking your time to pack your parachute, the most difficult, or not the most difficult, The most dangerous portion of a day skydiving will be your drive to the drop zone and your drive home.

[1301] So what happens to those people that fuck up and die?

[1302] Well, there's two, so you've got to separate two categories.

[1303] There's jumping out of an airplane with a main parachute and a reserve parachute and a lot of altitude and a lot of time.

[1304] And then there's base jumping, which is off of a static object with one parachute, generally closer to the ground.

[1305] And that lack of altitude and separation from the ground gives you less time, less options.

[1306] you've got to be really tight on your A -game.

[1307] In both of those worlds, what I think, in what my opinion is that kills the most people is complacency.

[1308] There has not been a gear -related fatality as far back as I can really find it, at least in the last 10 to 15 years.

[1309] It's people killing themselves, not the gear killing them.

[1310] How's that work?

[1311] What do you mean?

[1312] How do they kill themselves?

[1313] Getting in over your head, attempting a maneuver that you have no ability to recover from, if it were to go wrong.

[1314] in the skydiving world to use the wing suit as an example if you keep the suit flying straight it feels incredibly stable it feels like you're laying in an air mattress it's not hard at all that you literally get out of the aircraft and you spread your arms and legs out there's ram air inlets that inflate the suit and you can lay on it you can literally just relax and lay in the suit and you'd fly at 60 % of your performance to make up a number that's probably somewhat accurate but then maybe you want to fly it on your back you know then Oh, Jesus.

[1315] Then maybe you want to fly next to people.

[1316] Then maybe you want to do an intricate formation that's both vertically and horizontally separated.

[1317] I've heard of people colliding while skydiving.

[1318] Yes.

[1319] It has catastrophic results.

[1320] Like limbs get ripped off.

[1321] Yeah, there was a pair of golden knights.

[1322] The guy had decapitate, they didn't decap the guy from the pelvis down, cut off both legs.

[1323] But you can get yourself going, you know, 100 miles an hour, forward speed.

[1324] Cut off both legs.

[1325] Yep.

[1326] What hit, what?

[1327] His head, or shoulder hit his, I believe.

[1328] lower portion of his legs and what happened to the guy's shoulder he uh had a vacation on the hospital for a little bit and the other guy died yeah actually know what i think i might be wrong on that i think the dude with no legs i think the dude with no legs is the one who lived because he jumped again the guy who hit him is the one that died fuck it's a it's jumped again after that yeah yeah of course of course he did it's like when you text me like would you do this shit in France into the plane.

[1329] I'm like, don't ask me rhetorical questions.

[1330] I saw one that I was going to ask you.

[1331] A guy was trying to get into the plane.

[1332] He was doing the squirrel suit into the plane, but he missed.

[1333] Yeah, sometimes he missed.

[1334] And he bounced off the plane and it didn't look good.

[1335] So that was the same Red Bull dudes.

[1336] And that is probably the worst situation you could get into because you could see he was spinning in the suit.

[1337] Yes.

[1338] And that is how you can kill yourself in a wing suit.

[1339] If you try some crazy maneuver that you're not capable of doing, you essentially stall the suit and then you end up on your back spinning out of control you'll black out and you know whatever happens happens what happened in that guy that bounced off the plane he pulled it out he did he did because you know later in that video yeah i mean but those so that guy that is fred and vince they're red bull dudes they're at the absolute apex of what's possible and yeah i mean he hit it he was able to recover because later in that video they were both able to successfully get in but that guy has been jumping for decades and tens of thousands of jumps So, of course, he can recover from that.

[1340] If you got 10 jumps, you're dead.

[1341] But the problem is, people see that video, and they're like, I know what I'm doing on Thursday.

[1342] And they die.

[1343] They do stupid shit.

[1344] And they're not aware of their ability or their skill or they're just not looking in the mirror and being honest with themselves.

[1345] They attempt something crazy.

[1346] The most common in skydiving thing is somebody to die under perfectly functioning equipment.

[1347] They'll have a really small main canopy.

[1348] Like most main canopies, the canopy you're suspended under in your harness when you're learning is about 300 to 360 square feet.

[1349] It's like driving a school bus.

[1350] It's really slow turns.

[1351] It doesn't dive.

[1352] And a lot of people try to get to these little postage stamp parachutes.

[1353] There are 71 square feet, 69 square feet.

[1354] And in those canopies, if you initiate a turn, regardless of what you do after that turn, you cannot pull the canopy out of the dive until it goes through.

[1355] its natural recovery arc. So if you initiate that turn, 300 feet low, you're done.

[1356] You'd be lucky to walk away with a set of powdered femurs, which is exciting to watch from the ground.

[1357] It's a very interesting noise to hear happen.

[1358] That's best case scenario.

[1359] Middle of the ground would be wheelchair with a colostomy bag for the rest of your life.

[1360] Worst case scenario, you're getting carted off in an ambulance and you're dead.

[1361] And it's just a rush to get to that super small canopy or you just started jumping.

[1362] So this is like a status.

[1363] thing guys want to show you that they're jumping with a super small canopy you ever see people in the mixed martial arts world who just started and they think they're ready for the cage yes it's the exact same thing i bet you it happens in motocross surfing like you know guy learns to surf he's like north shore let's go like excuse me sir you're using a foam surfboard that's 12 feet long if you go to the north shore you're going to die but nothing you say to that is it easier to use a foam one that's 12 feet long i don't know i don't know where it came from that from but probably on a smaller wave maybe i should get a foam surfboard but i think I think either way, though, on the North Shore, you're going to die.

[1364] But you try to tell that to that person, they don't want to hear it.

[1365] They're ready.

[1366] And not only they're ready, I need to go to Best Buy and get about four Gopros.

[1367] And then we're going to send this thing.

[1368] And you're dead.

[1369] And it presents this and creates this.

[1370] That's why, like, I don't like to talk about the risk necessarily because there are, there is, in my opinion, a community of people that really romanticize that risk and they define themselves by that risk where that's not for me. That's not what I'm looking for at all.

[1371] But when it comes to skydiving, it's just fun, man. I cannot not smile when I'm flying that wingsuit.

[1372] You're doing 120 miles an hour forward, face first.

[1373] You ever get a bug in the mug?

[1374] Oh, yeah, you'll come down to speckled all sorts.

[1375] I've almost hit a bird, base jumping in Switzerland.

[1376] Like, it's just, oh, yeah, it's, but again, there's a difference between skydiving and base jumping.

[1377] Skydiving is, if you have enough experience and you learn that you can handle with most likely what's going to come up, you can just focus on having fun.

[1378] Base jumping is a different activity.

[1379] for sure it looks the same it's a different sport different act i don't even call it a sport it's an activity how many guys have you seen die base jumping in skydiving skydiving uh squirrel suit in a squirrel suit actually not that many i have seen more people die under the super small canopies turning too low and just impacting the ground i mean it's it's a site to be seen where the can it's in such a steep dive like as you're the canopies up top as As you pitch over, your body is actually above the canopy, so it hits and they pendle them into the ground.

[1380] It's like wet meat on concrete.

[1381] You know exactly.

[1382] And you can hear it coming because the canopies whistle, the lines that suspend you underneath the canopy.

[1383] They're cutting through the air.

[1384] And you just hear it.

[1385] You look up and then, bam.

[1386] As far as actually physically watching people go in, May 2, I think.

[1387] But, you know, my last trip to Switzerland in 2016 last year, I was in the Valley with my buddy Alex, and we were there for two weeks, and 15 people went in.

[1388] 15.

[1389] Yep.

[1390] Now, how many people were there?

[1391] That is hard to say.

[1392] And that's why, again, I think you have to be careful talking about the stats and the risk, because I don't really know how many people partake in that activity.

[1393] But I can tell you this, of those 15, zero were gear related.

[1394] Not a single one was because their gear failed.

[1395] It was, in my opinion, somebody attempting or just living, they're walking on a razor blade.

[1396] And sometimes when I go over there, I will do that as well.

[1397] I'll fly close to the ground or I'll fly in between trees or I'll fly through a crack and mess around with that.

[1398] But I try to do it on a very limited time period.

[1399] I try to have outs and I try to work my way into that position.

[1400] And what I have seen personally, which doesn't mean that this is the norm, What I have personally seen with my own eyes is people that don't take that route and they want to go straight to just, hey, hold my beer.

[1401] And there's just no room for air.

[1402] Yeah.

[1403] That's a lot of people, though.

[1404] Like, what percentage of the people died?

[1405] Like, how many people were there?

[1406] I don't know.

[1407] Probably a couple hundred.

[1408] Oh, Jesus.

[1409] Well, that's just in a couple hundred and 15 people croaked?

[1410] Yeah.

[1411] That's a lot.

[1412] That's a lot.

[1413] Again, I try to, again, I try to be honest.

[1414] accept the activity.

[1415] Here's my thing.

[1416] I don't ever want to gamble, but I am willing to take risk, and I know that that activity has some risk associated with it.

[1417] But for me, personally, the benefit outweighs the risk.

[1418] And I also spend most of my year trying to put in place things that can mitigate that risk, like jumping all the time and being current in my suit.

[1419] And I'll walk away.

[1420] I've been at plenty of exit points where the weather wasn't good or the wind wasn't good, or I just wasn't feeling it.

[1421] And I think a lot of other people probably had the same feelings, and they're zipping up their suit, getting ready to go.

[1422] And I'm like, peace out, man. I'll see you later.

[1423] I'm going to go drink a bottle of red wine and, you know, have a glass.

[1424] Yeah, I don't, I don't, I would love to be the base jumper that has walked away from more exits than anybody else on Earth, more than I would like to be the base jumper that's done more extreme shit than anybody else on earth.

[1425] Like, how many times you think you've walked away?

[1426] How many times have you gotten to a situation where you're at the starting line?

[1427] You're like, mm, this doesn't feel right.

[1428] 15, 20?

[1429] Wow.

[1430] And some of those things will give you a two -hour hike on the way down.

[1431] You know, and she's like, God, I don't want to hike down.

[1432] That's what gets a lot of people to is they'll get There's a lot of hiking involved Like the YouTube videos That's about 5 % of what it actually takes My favorite jump in Switzerland Is about a two and a half To a three hour walk for a 90 second flight So the ratio of Busting your ass to Smiling is very askew It's like Disneyland Pretty much Except it's actually fun And it's not full of pedophiles So Disneyland's full of pedophiles Of course Really?

[1433] It's where all the kids are Where would you go If you were a pedophile I didn't think of it that way Come on now.

[1434] It's like being a freak and going to the strip club.

[1435] Come on.

[1436] There you go.

[1437] You know what kills me about Disneyland?

[1438] My kids love Disneyland, so we go there quite often.

[1439] There's these gangs, Disneyland gangs.

[1440] Have you ever seen them before?

[1441] What are you talking about?

[1442] They wear vests like they're in Hell's Angels, and their vests are covered with Disneyland buttons and patches.

[1443] These are Disneyland employees you're talking about.

[1444] No. No. These are gangs of Disneyland fans.

[1445] And they used to have entry admission things where, like, to get into there, there.

[1446] See, the Disneyland gangs.

[1447] Do you remember what I was saying?

[1448] A second ago about the pedophiles?

[1449] Yeah.

[1450] The Hitchhikers, Disneyland, Waltz, Misfits, SoCal.

[1451] Yeah, with a skull, with the Disneyland hat on.

[1452] And these people go in there.

[1453] They have things that would have to have little things that they would have to accomplish to get entry into these gangs.

[1454] And one of the things was they would have to have one of the rides go down.

[1455] so they'd have to make a ride go down in order to get entry into this stupid fucking gang.

[1456] How does one do that?

[1457] Throw something into the gears.

[1458] Oh, that's good.

[1459] Thank you for that.

[1460] When we were there, this one dumb lady, this is how fucking genius this dummy was.

[1461] California screaming is the roller coaster where you do that loop where you go upside down.

[1462] On the top of the loop, this dummy threw her purse and wanted to catch it on the way down.

[1463] Like, she had this idea.

[1464] How'd that work?

[1465] It didn't work.

[1466] It hit the ground.

[1467] It hit first.

[1468] The roller coaster ran over it.

[1469] Stop the roller coaster, and they got stuck, like three quarters of the way up the loop.

[1470] And, you know, everybody's like, shit.

[1471] Yeah.

[1472] They stopped the roller coaster.

[1473] She went to jail.

[1474] Another, you want to hear something really gross?

[1475] One couple, they had a two -year -old kid, and they caught them on security cam after the fact.

[1476] They hung back, and they put their kids.

[1477] near a Disneyland employee, and they went away and stepped away.

[1478] So the kid was, like, confused, didn't know what to do.

[1479] So this Disneyland employee kept an eye on the kid and then called security, and the security took care of the kid, and then they went to dinner, and they had drinks, and they went out, and then they went and retrieved their kid afterwards, security.

[1480] Not everybody should have kids.

[1481] But just can imagine the monster you have to be to take your two -year -old kid.

[1482] You're like, I'm tired of having this kid.

[1483] Hey, I've got a great idea.

[1484] Oh, I'm sure their home life is amazing, very nourishing.

[1485] Monsters, man And you wonder like When you see a school shooting Or something crazy Like what happened This kind of shit Is you're raising a potential human being This kind of shit happens You have some fucking morons They're allowed to have kids Yeah And they basically Shit shit on an innocent victim Which is my biggest issue with it Yeah I cannot I don't like the victimization Of innocent people It drives me nuts Yeah man Especially a little two year olds I mean, it's crazy.

[1486] It's crazy that someone has that in them.

[1487] That they could be that fucking stupid that they have that in them.

[1488] And, you know, I wish that this is an isolated instance.

[1489] I'm sure there's, like, quite a few of those.

[1490] Yeah.

[1491] I'm sure there probably is.

[1492] I can't believe you're drinking that kombucha stuff.

[1493] It's good.

[1494] Love it.

[1495] Doesn't the rye brain do the same thing for your gut?

[1496] No. No. That's a neutropic.

[1497] And the rye brain is alcohol.

[1498] It's probably bad for your gut.

[1499] I'm trying to counteract the effects.

[1500] I had, you don't fuck with kimchi.

[1501] either.

[1502] Absolutely not.

[1503] I've seen that thing from...

[1504] Been for the mind.

[1505] Spent some time in Korea and watch those guys pulling that stuff out of the ground and they would offer it's like I'm...

[1506] No, I don't want a kimchi.

[1507] I'm more convinced now than ever.

[1508] Plus having a bunch of like really good podcast guests that explained the benefits of probiotics.

[1509] Yeah.

[1510] And about how probiotics literally affect your gut ecosystem that affects your personality and your immune system and just all sorts of different aspects of your life.

[1511] but I've been eating kimchi almost when I'm at home daily, pretty much daily.

[1512] You could buy itself or you pair it with a meal?

[1513] I pair it with a meal usually, but sometimes I'll just open up a jar and just eat a whole jar of the shit.

[1514] That's disgusting.

[1515] I don't give a fuck soon.

[1516] Today I had kimchi with elk and jalapinos and there's some stuff called No Bread.

[1517] No is a company that makes K -N -O -W.

[1518] they make these gluten -free breads that are made with nuts and almonds and...

[1519] How does it taste?

[1520] It tastes good.

[1521] It actually tastes like bread?

[1522] It tastes good, no. Not totally.

[1523] Not like a good piece of like San Francisco sourdough bread.

[1524] It does not taste like that.

[1525] But that's what it tastes like.

[1526] But it tastes good enough.

[1527] It's good for me. And most importantly, it doesn't jack up your glycemic index.

[1528] It doesn't, you know, you don't have an insulin spike.

[1529] You feel good after you eat it.

[1530] You still, uh, you still riding the keto?

[1531] train?

[1532] Most of the time.

[1533] I will fuck off on occasion.

[1534] I will fuck off.

[1535] I fucked off.

[1536] Last week, I was in Hawaii, and I fucked off hard, son.

[1537] Thanksgiving was an interesting adventure in diet for me, too.

[1538] I drank every night.

[1539] I ate dessert every day.

[1540] I ate whatever I wanted.

[1541] I said, I'm on vacation.

[1542] I'm going to treat this like a vacation.

[1543] I'm going to have no restraint.

[1544] And I'm only going to eat.

[1545] I gain four pounds.

[1546] And I worked out every day.

[1547] I worked out every day.

[1548] Why does it only take one week to unravel what seems like a lifetime of work and then you start climbing back into the saddle you're like okay cool I guess I'll just move an inch at a time here you lost two miles along the way well the good news is I kept working out so it wasn't like I came back home like terribly out of shape feeling terrible and having gotten drunk every night I bet if I didn't work out every day I probably would have gained like seven or eight pounds oh 100 % yeah you probably at least still kept your metabolism up and high yeah but I was like this is what I'm going to do this is I'm going to treat it like this.

[1549] I'm going to work out every day so that I don't have to think about it so I could just go crazy.

[1550] You're managing guilt.

[1551] Yeah.

[1552] Yeah.

[1553] I ate breakfast one day and we stayed at this place that had a buffet and they had chocolate croissants.

[1554] I had four chocolate croissants and then I had two pieces of banana bread and I had two sticky buns, these sticky buns and then I had all sorts of food on top of that.

[1555] I just ate like a glutton.

[1556] Isn't it amazing?

[1557] I don't usually do that.

[1558] So it's nice to do it for a vacation.

[1559] It feels amazing for a day or two.

[1560] Yeah, but I felt so weak.

[1561] Like, when I would go to the gym, I literally felt like I was working out underwater.

[1562] Like, my body was just combating all the booze and all the shitty food.

[1563] With that or I'll find my gas tank is just done.

[1564] Yeah, done.

[1565] Like, you start, you normally like, okay, I'm going to warm up.

[1566] And you're just like, oh, I think I'm done here.

[1567] This place had a heavy bag, and I knew they had a heavy bag.

[1568] So I brought boxing gloves and hand wraps and everything.

[1569] And I have a timer on my phone.

[1570] So I set the timer up, and I just wailed away.

[1571] It's fucking great because.

[1572] Because you know those Apple ear pods?

[1573] Yeah, I have a set.

[1574] Probably the best Apple, not to make an ad for Apple, probably the best thing I've ever bought from Apple's is AirPods.

[1575] They're fucking great.

[1576] AirPods are great.

[1577] And here's the thing, when you have this timer, it would play me music, but then the timer, like the noise of the timer, would also go through the AirPods.

[1578] So you're getting both.

[1579] Yeah.

[1580] So when it was getting like 10 seconds, it would alert me through the, but I would think like, oh man, punch in the bag and even kicking the bag, those AirPods are going to fall out.

[1581] Nope.

[1582] Yeah.

[1583] They didn't.

[1584] I've actually yet to have them fall out.

[1585] Yeah, regardless.

[1586] The only time I've had them fall is when I'm doing chin -ups because my shoulders are so fucking massive.

[1587] They touch my ears.

[1588] So they didn't fall out.

[1589] They were ripped out by your massive shoulders.

[1590] Yeah, they just, my ears bumped up against my shoulders.

[1591] But that's it.

[1592] It's the only time they've ever accidentally fallen out.

[1593] But what's interesting is you take one out and it knows that you have it out so the sound stops.

[1594] Like, how the fuck did they figure that out?

[1595] Wizardry.

[1596] You just pull one out.

[1597] I don't know.

[1598] People have no problem talking you while you have headphones on.

[1599] They just start talking.

[1600] Like they see the headphones and they just start talking to you.

[1601] To pretend like you can't hear them.

[1602] And you point to the headphones and they're like, no, no, no, you have to talk to me. They talk louder.

[1603] Yeah, I don't give a fuck if you're on the phone.

[1604] I don't give a fuck if you're in the middle of the most important audio book ever.

[1605] Yeah.

[1606] Getting the secrets of the universe right now.

[1607] People won't talk to you, man. I think that might be more of a problem that you deal with as opposed to others, but I think girls get it more than me. I know...

[1608] You're done with those wards?

[1609] I know women who have put headphones into their ears and not even attached it to a device.

[1610] It's a good moment.

[1611] Just so people will leave them alone.

[1612] Just take it right in their pussy.

[1613] I don't know if you hear...

[1614] Yeah, I don't know if that would necessarily work.

[1615] What island do you go to in Hawaii?

[1616] My favorite is Lanai.

[1617] Is that where you guys went for Thanksgiving?

[1618] No, we went to the big island this time.

[1619] Nice.

[1620] But I think Linai is the way to go because there ain't nobody there.

[1621] And you've got to take two flights.

[1622] You got to go to Honolulu Yeah, you got to go to Honolulu And then you take a little puddle jumper A little one of them little buddy Holly killing planes There you go Hey man, I get some I got some magic backpacks you can borrow They ask you how much your packs were And you're like, oh no, don't say that How much do you wait sir?

[1623] Don't lie Please don't lie Actually padded by about 10 % You're going to be okay Yeah, I wonder if they do If they get like a really overweight person Who they know might be full of shit Like I don't want to I know what happens Ladies I know what happens.

[1624] They jack up a couple of pounds.

[1625] When I was super young, like I just, I remember that I went on a cruise with my grandparents to Alaska.

[1626] I don't know where we started, but we went up to Alaska.

[1627] When we were flying back from Alaska, puddle jumper to probably Juneau to get on the big plane.

[1628] And they looked at my grandfather like a little up and down, like, sir, you're on the next flight.

[1629] Really?

[1630] Yep.

[1631] They bumped him.

[1632] Grandpa had a gut.

[1633] Grandpa, he was built.

[1634] Big boy.

[1635] He was built from the belly button up to the chest, like a beach ball.

[1636] Yeah, man, I wouldn't want to be on a puddle jumper with a really big guy that was full of shit.

[1637] No, you'd kill everybody.

[1638] Yeah.

[1639] At some point, the plane's like, hey, I know you're pulling back on the yoke, but I actually can't take off.

[1640] So you're all going to die now.

[1641] And that's not the way to go either.

[1642] Right, because someone has an ego, and they can't tell you they're 400 pounds, not 350.

[1643] Yeah.

[1644] So I think they actually took his luggage off and he had to come back like that.

[1645] I think it was the next day.

[1646] Well, the real problem is for someone who's 400 pounds, they have to find a scale that goes up to 400 pounds.

[1647] Or you got to time it as it goes around.

[1648] Well, Joey Diaz was telling me that.

[1649] That when he was 400 pounds, like, he didn't know how much he weighed because the scale at his doctor's office only went to 300 pounds.

[1650] And he had that thing, fucking pegged, bang.

[1651] And then, you know, he'd lose 50 pounds, and it would still be pegged.

[1652] I think that's not a good sign.

[1653] No. I mean, I'm not a doctor, obviously.

[1654] I think that all this stuff, when you see all these people that are morbidly obese, I think this is all, there's a lot of things, right?

[1655] There's shitty food.

[1656] There's bad gut, flora, addiction to, like, refined carbohydrates and sugars, alcohol, a lot of things that make people that fat.

[1657] But on top of that, I think a lot of it is that they don't have, like, real physical challenges in their life on a daily basis, especially physical challenges that they enjoy, that forces them to be disciplined about their health and to understand that their body is a, it's not just your body, okay?

[1658] It's like you have this variable vehicle and the more time you put into it, the more you pay attention to it, and the more discipline you use to keep this thing running, the better it's going to work for you.

[1659] And if you use it all the time, you're going to appreciate it.

[1660] But if you just use it to walk over the couch and crack a beer, and start fucking filling your face with chips and cookies, you don't think about what it is.

[1661] And you don't have to rely on it to survive.

[1662] You don't have to chop wood.

[1663] You don't have to carry anything.

[1664] You don't have to rely on it.

[1665] You got to look on your phone for the right app to have Uber deliver your food.

[1666] So you don't even have to get off of your ass.

[1667] That's a new thing.

[1668] It's a new thing, but I bet you it's pretty popular.

[1669] I bet it doesn't come to your neck of the woods.

[1670] I bet I wouldn't order it even if it did.

[1671] Do you have restaurants in your town?

[1672] well yes we also have electricity in running water no we do uh i thought you had a well i do at the house we have in the woods oh it's an amazing well you should come visit sometime wells i like the idea the water is god damn it's good oh yeah it's unbelievably crystal clear spring water it just tastes different yeah it tastes different too uh yeah i like i like the small town we have we have we have everything we need probably a couple things that we probably still need and not Not much of what we don't.

[1673] Is there any crime?

[1674] I'm sure.

[1675] I actually, yeah, I bet you there's some a little bit off the rails crime.

[1676] I think any place, so we don't live in whitefish.

[1677] Whitefish is like 15 miles north of us.

[1678] I'm pretty sure there's a large white nationalist, white supremacist flavor.

[1679] I've read some stuff about it.

[1680] I haven't really looked into it too much, but I knew that they were getting ready to do a little bit of a march type action rally.

[1681] You should walk around everywhere in Blackface.

[1682] I don't think that's.

[1683] the call I don't I don't think yourself an afro god I was thinking of just driving my truck through the white nationalist rally is it because my truck is black so right yeah that would be metaphorically get yourself one of them teaky torches and see if you fit in fuck me man those fucking dickheads all those dickheads in Charlotte walking on the street with Home Depot torches I still can't figure out if they're serious oh they're serious they're really really With a Home Depot, Tiki Torch in your hand, you're serious?

[1684] Yeah, they're serious.

[1685] They just want a torch, and they're so fucking stupid.

[1686] They don't really tell how that's going to be mocked, you know.

[1687] I don't know if they even care.

[1688] I think they're just glad they're getting coverage so that they feel that their message is getting out to everybody who needs to hear it in their mind.

[1689] Well, everybody did need to hear it because most people didn't know that there was a group that's that fucking stupid that's willing to go into the streets like that and do it in this day and age when you're on the Internet and people are going to realize, oh, you're a Nazi?

[1690] You have a swastick on your chest, you dumb cunt.

[1691] Oh, okay.

[1692] Yeah.

[1693] All right.

[1694] There you go, buddy.

[1695] I don't know if it's that bad up in Whitefish, but I do know that there is, I have found this like you eat to the remote areas.

[1696] It seems like drug -related crime might be a tad higher.

[1697] Gets a little meth -y.

[1698] Yeah, I was going to say meth, but I'm not sure.

[1699] I mean, anecdotally, I think from my perspective, that's what it seems to be like.

[1700] But I haven't, I mean, I feel super comfortable.

[1701] I don't feel, yeah, I mean, I don't know.

[1702] It feels smaller.

[1703] is the only way that I can describe it.

[1704] And that feeling feels awesome.

[1705] Yeah, it's peaceful, right?

[1706] It's like more relaxed.

[1707] For sure.

[1708] It's slower, too.

[1709] Yeah.

[1710] It is, like I said, the only regret is that I wish we had, I wish we had been able to do it.

[1711] Well, we were able to do it.

[1712] We just didn't do it.

[1713] I wish we had done it a couple years ago.

[1714] Yeah, I felt that way about Boulder.

[1715] Boulder feels like that to me. Boulder feels to me like, you know, it's only 100 ,000 people, which is way bigger than your town.

[1716] Yeah, 22 ,000.

[1717] That's crazy.

[1718] but it just everything's like oh it's just a calmer bolder's an interesting town it reminded me a lot of where i grew up in santa cruz very left like a great place if you're selling tofu santa cruz is a great place to grow up the problem is is that a lot of people don't leave santa cruz it's it's so far left that it ends up on the right somehow there it's it's insane and i you know the guys and girls that i went to high school with a couple of them have never left and not that i haven't really maintained contact with them but even if i did i don't know if I'd have anything to talk to him about.

[1719] It's such an insulated, and they, like, so the small town that we live in, like, I want my kids when they grow up and they get to that age.

[1720] They've got to leave.

[1721] They got to go and experience something else.

[1722] I don't want them to think that that 22 ,000 people is, this is how the world is.

[1723] Right.

[1724] It's not, the best thing I did in Santa Cruz was leaving at some point.

[1725] A friend of mine has been on the podcast before.

[1726] He used to be on this podcast called Citizens Radio, and he was a, like, a real heavy -duty, lefty social justice warrior type character and somewhere along the line he ran a foul of them because he dates girls like in acts girls and girls were calling him a predator or something like that really didn't do anything wrong like if you look at it on paper like okay what did he do wrong there was nothing there was no rape there was no assault there was no harassing it was him trying to get laid uh which i thought is normal but i guess not in that world it's problematic um but in the social justice world?

[1727] It's problematic to be an aggressive, a sexual predator.

[1728] What she did is actually predatory and really not cool at all.

[1729] But what he said was that when he was in that world, he didn't even, it wasn't even aware of dissenting viewpoints because he was so insulated, because everybody in that world thought a certain way.

[1730] Yeah.

[1731] And so you just get accustomed to these very rigid sort of channels of thinking.

[1732] And everybody sort of follows these channels.

[1733] And he literally wasn't even aware of the possibility of there being a dissenting point of view that was rational.

[1734] How do people not realize that that's inherently dangerous?

[1735] They get caught up in it.

[1736] People are super tribal, you know?

[1737] I don't have to tell you that.

[1738] Yeah, I agree.

[1739] But at the same point, like, I try to recognize it myself, like, if I'm whatever, consuming anything, information, if I'm like, okay, I need to go and figure something else out of here, another viewpoint, or at least try to balance it.

[1740] to me like the spotty senses start going up if too many people are saying the same thing if everybody's all chanted in the same it's like what's going on like we might be down the rabbit hole here and we need to take a few steps back yeah but that's because you are a winner sir and some people are just not I don't have tiger blood but I'm trying there's some things that people have that are like unfortunate and one of the things that people have is this like deep desire to have other people like them and to fit in and to cause zero for friction and to be amenable to the the group think you know it's like it's a real it's a common issue with folks like you see them like just slotting into group think ideology and whether it's group think on the right side or group think I mean there's a lot of fucking really dumb people that I follow on Twitter that are make America Greta again people like I'll go to hashtag MAGA every now and then and just like just start reading tweets and just like fucking mccullougham from home alone my hand on my head going oh my god these people are serious you know drain the swamp hashtag drain the swamp and i'll go and i'll read these people's tweets and like these people are just apes that are in a tribe they they are really really not all of them folks don't get me wrong there's a lot of people that are make america great again people that really do feel like it's a good thing to have this guy in office stock markets up i'm not talking about you but i'm talking about people that have this tiny little brain and this tiny little brain just needs to slot into a place and this is where they found this is their spot and then you go on to their twitter page and these motherfuckers are on all day arguing with people about trump all day accomplishing nothing no but they feel like they are they got a huge microphone and they're getting absolutely nowhere yeah and they just Every day, they're just constantly checking their responses, checking their tweets, checking their thing, back and forth, back and forth.

[1741] You know what scares me about that is, again, I feel like I'm late to the game to everything.

[1742] And social media, late to the game, podcasting, late to the game.

[1743] Like I was telling you, like, I'm trying to play catch up.

[1744] And I used to look at the news and largely accept, you know, what I could corroborate on each side.

[1745] And now I can't look at any of that.

[1746] And so I just have to use my own eyes.

[1747] But I see, with my own eyes, people arguing with their head down so much about what they believe that they're actually not seeing what's happening around them.

[1748] And because nobody trusts anything and they only repeat what they say, it provides the seams for people to do shit that as a country, I don't think we want to go in that direction.

[1749] In that distraction, moves are being made that people aren't paying attention to.

[1750] Yeah, I feel like with all this thing about Trump and Russia and everybody thinking that Flynn is going to turn on Trump and this is it, we're going to get.

[1751] Trump's going down, Trump's going down, like, hey, hey, hey, guys, North Korea's got nuclear capability, and they've just launched some new fucking missile.

[1752] Yes, my CVM.

[1753] Yeah, high into orbit that's capable of reaching America.

[1754] Do you understand what's happening?

[1755] Like, and we're sending stealth bombers over to South Korea.

[1756] Like, we are literally a few steps away from the brink of a nuclear war.

[1757] We're not there yet, but we're in the, we're where we should, everybody should be going, Hey, hey, hey, hey, what the fuck is going on over here?

[1758] Yeah.

[1759] Like, what is this?

[1760] Why are we even battling them?

[1761] What the fuck is the issue?

[1762] Other than the fact that, I mean, if you want to talk about going somewhere where you have a real communist dictatorship that is a ruthless military dictatorship that has an entire country of people enslaved, North Korea is a spot.

[1763] I mean, it really is.

[1764] Do you see the video of that defector?

[1765] Yeah.

[1766] Holy shit.

[1767] Jay, pull that up.

[1768] My man got Swiss -cheased and just kept the foot on the gas pedal.

[1769] Kept going.

[1770] Made it.

[1771] They're shooting at his truck.

[1772] Holy Kemp.

[1773] Oh, yeah.

[1774] Shot five or six times.

[1775] Five or six times.

[1776] Riddled with like parasites.

[1777] Yeah, big parasites.

[1778] Like two feet long.

[1779] My man, I mean, there you go.

[1780] I wonder what motivates somebody to run that hard and that fast.

[1781] And he made it.

[1782] And he made it.

[1783] And he made it.

[1784] He must be sleeping so good right now.

[1785] Yeah, well, he's probably getting fed. For the head on the pillow I mean just imagine Oh God look at this dude Get oh get some I'll fall down buddy nice Like I probably played it off though He's like yeah I wanted to shoot Is that all they have?

[1786] No they have the full thing Yeah you get the nightline version of it See if you can get the full actual video The full actual video of it is pretty interesting He was getting shot at in the car Yeah you could see the trace around And they're really close to them Yeah that doesn't necessarily mean anything I miss some close shots Panicking this fucking people So here it is This guy is just hauling ass Here's my question You think he was playing the radio Like Metallica?

[1787] He's playing kickstart my heart Yeah Like he's just got Metallica rip I'm going for it North Korea soldiers Pursue the man While he flees In a military vehicle What kind of cars he got there?

[1788] It looks like a Jeep It looks like a Land Rover Defender So he stops the car He gets out and he's running And they're shooting at him From like feet away Fortunately, the guy in the far right's got a pistol.

[1789] He's not hitting shit.

[1790] He's tripping over his buddy.

[1791] Ooh, that guy's got a rifle, though.

[1792] The Korean soldier accidentally crosses into South Korea during the pursuit.

[1793] So that's the line right there?

[1794] I do not know.

[1795] So that's all you have to do?

[1796] He's like, oh, I'm out.

[1797] Quickly turns around.

[1798] Whoa, so there's not a fence?

[1799] I don't know.

[1800] You just have to get to that spot, and that's it.

[1801] I don't know about the DMZ.

[1802] Shot and injured defector is pulled to safety by the South Korean military.

[1803] Whoa, that's amazing.

[1804] Oh, these people crawl on.

[1805] That looks like the South Korean people.

[1806] Yeah, they're dragging him.

[1807] Holy cow.

[1808] I didn't know about this.

[1809] Oh, my God.

[1810] See the blood trail?

[1811] Oh, that's what that is?

[1812] Yeah, more than likely on a thermal.

[1813] Whoa.

[1814] That's intense.

[1815] That's intense.

[1816] But you want to talk about an iron fist dictator that's happening right now and people all they can think of is just...

[1817] Look at that guy.

[1818] Go, though.

[1819] Look at him go.

[1820] He's out.

[1821] He's like, what?

[1822] Fuck, man. Fifth gear.

[1823] Yeah, I don't know the rules on the DMZ Or where the actual line is It's this video on like South Korea's side Is that how someone saw this taking place Well it looks like he's driving from north to south Yeah Does he just have to get across that gate So this is just like a DMZ It's almost like an unedited version of it Wow I guess they just constantly monitor everything How weird must that tension be Between the north and the south Just staring at each other in the opposite side of the line, and they both look exactly the same.

[1824] They're both Korean, you know.

[1825] It's like the U .S. wall with Mexico, people are like, oh, it's racist, it's racist.

[1826] Because one people are brown and one people are white.

[1827] They can't even say it's racist over there.

[1828] They're both the same race.

[1829] They just look at each other, and then they're at war.

[1830] They hate each other, and one's the enemy, and one's not.

[1831] One has no money.

[1832] One is under the iron rule of a communist military dictatorship where they kill everybody.

[1833] the other one they're making the best cell phones in the world the chicks are all getting plastic surgery you know the the boys are all fucking hip -hop break dancers and shit and it's like they have MMA over there they have everything South Korea's their taekwineau's pretty fucking awesome Seoul's an awesome town I've been there yeah I've been there I spent my 20th birthday in Seoul Korea in a bar people that think that socialism and communism is the answer to the woes the capitalism creates do not understand you're just missing the point that is that isn't it's so contrary to human nature and it is by the way never been pulled off successfully in human history yeah I would love it an example and that's what I always ask people just give me the example of what you want to use as the foundation for those principles where it's been executed properly where it's thrived where it's survived yeah and I'll just sit here and wait and another part of the problem is that the people that are really, like the people that are in the left that are like really progressive and support Marxism, the idea of Marxism and socialism, those people are in general very supportive of gay rights, very supportive of women's rights.

[1834] Those are the first things that get trampled in these communist dictatorships.

[1835] That is the first thing that goes.

[1836] Like every single one of these communist Marxist rules, homosexuality is treated as the devil.

[1837] Like these people, they live in hell that you don't understand it is very difficult for me after a long period of time the majority of my adult life to peek my head up and look around and and most of the interaction like i said is social media i sit back and i watch and i see the things that people say and i see the complaints that they have and oppressed this this that or the other and i'll be the first person to say that there's inequality in the u .s just like there is in every nation on the face of the planet.

[1838] But to hear how people think how bad we have it, and then to have seen with my own eyes, places where people would claw their way across the border to have the opportunities that people in this country have, just waking up, the sunrises over the United States, and they wake up and they have so much opportunity that they don't appreciate, it's very difficult for me to make sense of what's going on.

[1839] It's a bizarre place.

[1840] to be in because it's just like who are you people and where do you get these ideas i think they're idealistic and they think that we can do better and i think that we can do better too but i think where people go a foul is where they start saying that they want equality of outcome and a quality of outcome is contrary to equality because when you have equality equality equality really quality meaning you can do whatever you want to do that breeds inequality yes because some people are going to work harder and competition is what pushes things and some people think that competition is bad and the reason why they think it's bad is it makes them feel bad like I put something on Twitter today where they were saying that Fitbits that people using Fitbits is fat shaming and ablest and it's problematic and it causes all sorts of issues and these educators were looking at Fitbits as being a real problem with the emotions of people, you know, they find out, like, and they start comparing and it can cause all sorts of issues with people.

[1841] So they were literally saying that FitBits, they're just devices that give you data.

[1842] Yeah.

[1843] That these things can be a problem.

[1844] How about competition is a good thing?

[1845] It's a good thing.

[1846] Yeah.

[1847] How about it's okay to finish last because it'll motivate you to get off your ass and climb up the leaderboard?

[1848] Exactly.

[1849] Yeah, go again.

[1850] You don't win every time.

[1851] Stupid.

[1852] It scares me that people are in positions.

[1853] Like, I'm looking at my oldest son is.

[1854] 14.

[1855] And I mean, I realize that at some point in time, in the very near future, he's going to go off.

[1856] And, you know, he's going to want to pursue a higher education.

[1857] And I almost would rather send him to a trade school where he learned something with his hands.

[1858] Or I would hope that he would never tell him to do that.

[1859] I would hope that he would want to go down that route instead of going into an environment that is completely artificial where people portray this world of, you know, rounded corners and nerfed everything.

[1860] And your feelings and words hurt and all.

[1861] You talk about.

[1862] it all the time actually I don't want my son to go into that environment he's already experiencing that a little bit in the school system that he's in like he uses the word triggered and he'll his teachers will use that word triggered I'm like listen it's okay to have somebody say something to you that invokes a reaction or emotion in you that causes conflict that's okay don't run away from that conflict once you go directly at that conflict and figure out what your problem is with it or figure out why you have an issue with that and then work through that and you'll be be a better person on the other side of the house.

[1863] I feel like we're in a place now where people are creating, it's an artificial environment that as soon as you leave that environment, you're going to get your teeth just kicked in.

[1864] Yeah.

[1865] And I don't, I see it trending more and more and more in the U .S. And I almost think we're getting ready to fall flat on our face.

[1866] And I almost think we need to to figure out who the fuck we are and to pick ourselves back up and to realize that those artificial environments that people are trying to force, onto the world, it just doesn't work.

[1867] In campus cities and small towns that have campuses.

[1868] Yeah, it's just really heavy -duty left -wing people that are just committed to this ideology and they don't have, I mean, it's good to have both sides.

[1869] I think it's good to have people that lean left and people that lean right and you try to figure out which way works.

[1870] And by the way, it's going to work better for some people to be left and it's going to work better for some people to be right.

[1871] but this lack of tolerance for other people's ideas is one of the most shocking things about the left these days is this this need and desire to shut down speech you know um there was they also the people who are on the forefront of saying you know freedom of speech but not that not anymore you know they used to be the new left is more stifling of free speech than the right by far the new left would you know you'd call neo -Marxism or postmodernism I guess I look at it differently like Freedom of speech, to me, in my mind, is not about what I can say to you.

[1872] It's not about me saying, I'm going to say something messed up and try to offend you.

[1873] To me, freedom of speech is, how much can I tolerate from somebody else?

[1874] How much am I willing to listen to an opinion that I absolutely hate, but I'm going to allow it to exist because I'm grateful that we have an environment that that can exist in, and you're not going to get pulled into a public square and get your head cut off?

[1875] Well, there's certainly that, but there's also the only way you find out which idea is correct is you have to have debate.

[1876] You have to have open debate.

[1877] You have to have the ability to communicate your ideas freely.

[1878] And if you don't have the ability to communicate your ideas freely and the other person just bulldozes you with their ideas because they think they're right.

[1879] And I'm going to shut down everyone else's opinion because I'm right.

[1880] That's not how you handle free speech.

[1881] The way you handle bad speech.

[1882] The way you handle bad speech with more better speech.

[1883] You become, you have to have your arguments laid out in a way that it's convincing to the people.

[1884] that are paying attention and you can't do that if your speech is stifled and that's what's really a problem with the left these days and it's just and i think a little a big part of it is these artificial environments you're talking about they they they live in these insulated things like i was saying jamey kilstein used to live in they live in these insulated environments where they think they're right they think they're doing the right thing by behaving like this but it's so short -sighted and again i don't i don't try to make a character judgment on them but to me in my mind, again, with one of my own eyes, I think the biggest threat to this country is political correctness and safe spaces.

[1885] Yeah.

[1886] I truly think that teaching people in that manner or getting them, not getting them, allowing them to think that that is how the world outside of that environment operates is setting you up for a very long -term failure because you're going to just get crushed because there are plenty of other entities throughout the world that will look at what you're doing and say, oh, that's awesome.

[1887] you're just teeing it up for me. That's a complete vulnerability.

[1888] They're going to leverage that against us and manipulate, not manipulate, just attack the fact that those people feel that way.

[1889] They'll take it as a weakness, and they'll leverage that for their success.

[1890] And with them, we're fucked.

[1891] Yeah, I don't necessarily think we're fucked because I think there's enough people that are paying attention that think it's terrible, and there's a lot of us.

[1892] But I think that when something like 9 -11 happens, one of the things that I thought that was really interesting right after 9 -11 was his rallying cry of patriotism.

[1893] Like, everybody had an American flag on their car.

[1894] I was like, this is, this is interesting to me. Did they have them hanging over the overpasses up here in L .A.?

[1895] Oh, yeah.

[1896] In San Diego, that week, I would say it was about a week after 9 -11.

[1897] I have never in my life felt a level of solidarity of just not only that, but people were nicer.

[1898] They were nicer.

[1899] They were more, except they weren't really worried that you cut them off in traffic.

[1900] You know what, take the parking spot.

[1901] Yeah, you know, you can put your cart in front of me in the grocery.

[1902] Against me, it's us against them.

[1903] How fleeting was that, though?

[1904] Pretty fleeting.

[1905] But it was amazing during that time, too.

[1906] The overpasses in San Diego, American flags, like not just an American flag, covered the entire thing.

[1907] It was unbelievable.

[1908] It lasted longer in New York.

[1909] New York, it lasted for a long time.

[1910] They kind of had a daily reminder.

[1911] Yeah.

[1912] The feeling there was different.

[1913] They were just, it just changed the way New York City was.

[1914] New York City was almost like a village.

[1915] It's like a friendly village that had been attacked.

[1916] and everybody was like super thankful that they were alive and supportive of each other and also the solidarity you know sebastian younger is a war journalist you ever heard of him i've listened to every podcast you've done with him restrepo is one of my favorite documentaries he's fucking amazing his book tribe changed the way i understand that i'm like oh this is a natural part of being a human and like we were talking about these reward systems that are built into animals that allow you know tigers and like they they don't get they they don't get they're The natural release?

[1917] These natural reward systems, for good or for bad, human beings are designed to deal with conflict, real conflict.

[1918] And when we don't have real conflict, we make up our own bullshit conflict.

[1919] And when real conflict shows itself, then everything sort of normalizes.

[1920] And that's, I mean, it's for good or for bad, we haven't evolved past that.

[1921] Whatever our DNA is, whatever our programming is, almost at a cellular level, we're designed to have a certain amount of risk.

[1922] And when we don't have that risk, and we don't have that danger, we don't feel good.

[1923] And you lash out of people with your egg icon.

[1924] These motherfuckers.

[1925] I'm going to kill you.

[1926] He's for you to say, bro.

[1927] Unless you were here in my face and then I wouldn't say that I'm going to kill.

[1928] Yeah.

[1929] Yeah, it was a crazy.

[1930] I mean, I remember watching the second airplane go in live, standing in an apartment in San Diego, thinking, well, this might change some things.

[1931] Yeah.

[1932] Yeah.

[1933] I remember just waking up.

[1934] Someone called me. where were you living at the time up here i was here yeah i was getting some phone calls from friends i was like what turn on the news turn on the news he turned on the news and like just having it all sink in like what the fuck yeah and then me and man i used to have a picture of it me and eddie bravo and joie dyes went to get burritos and there wasn't a fucking plane in the sky and we're hanging out that day because all air travel had been suspended and we were just hanging out thinking how fucking bizarre it is we're like dude are we at war like what how well how well how well I was this going to change everything?

[1935] Did Eddie feel better because there weren't any contrails up there?

[1936] He wasn't the same guy back then.

[1937] He wasn't that deep into it?

[1938] No, no. He liked aliens back then.

[1939] Oh, fuck.

[1940] He was into, like, Nibiru.

[1941] He, as he became older, he became way more conspiratorial.

[1942] I have a hard, I know I've texted you before, like, hey, does he actually think those things, or is he messing around?

[1943] He loves conspiracies.

[1944] I think he thinks of them almost like, some people, like, paying attention to sports.

[1945] But then there's also, like, Illuminati stuff that he legitimately worries that, like, Hillary Clinton is going to off him because he talks too much shit about.

[1946] Like, I fucking, I think, I think it's entirely possible that Clintons are murderers.

[1947] I think it's entirely possible.

[1948] Themselves or outsourced?

[1949] Outsourced.

[1950] Yeah, I don't think they have, I don't think they have the stones to do it themselves.

[1951] No, I don't think so.

[1952] I don't think so, but I think they've definitely made some calls or at least had some meetings.

[1953] I, uh, there's too many bodies.

[1954] There's too many people attached to them that were in critical positions that either, like one recent guy vanished.

[1955] There's that Seth Rich guy who was, uh, the New Yorker, who worked at the DNC that got shot.

[1956] There's, there's enough of them.

[1957] And then they go away.

[1958] The stories go away.

[1959] The one that I pulled up the other day, who was, who, who, who do we do in the podcast?

[1960] Was it Callan?

[1961] The guy who had dirt on the Clinton campaign.

[1962] It was, he's an academic.

[1963] And he vanished.

[1964] The guy vanished.

[1965] You don't hear about it.

[1966] This guy was about to, like, give dirt on the fucking Clinton Foundation.

[1967] And they're like, whoops, he's just not around anymore.

[1968] Can't find him.

[1969] I think their ability to hide not just theirs.

[1970] Just guy.

[1971] Academic and Heart of Clinton Dirt campaign vanishes, leaving trail of questions.

[1972] Is he still missing?

[1973] Oh, this is a part of the Russia investigation.

[1974] That's right.

[1975] It wasn't the Clinton campaign.

[1976] It wasn't the Clinton Foundation.

[1977] Yeah, he's gone, man. He's fucking missing.

[1978] Poof.

[1979] I just think it's amazing the ability for people to have the public.

[1980] face and then who they are.

[1981] I have not personally had any interactions with Hillary Clinton, but I have some firsthand friends that have had direct interactions with her from either a security detail perspective or being on the ground and securing an area that she was traveling through.

[1982] And the public face that she puts on and how she treated those individuals up to and including people that were tasked with her personal security up close detail.

[1983] The stories that those people have would melt your hair, but none of those stories come out.

[1984] There's the person that she portrays herself to be during the election cycle, and this is who I am.

[1985] And then you talk to all these people who live at a day -to -day level with these people, and the difference between the two is like sitting there trying to broad jump the Grand Canyon.

[1986] It absolutely blows my mind.

[1987] The stories about her in particular and her hatred or what they had told me, her hatred, for basically in essentially people in military or people who were there to support her doing her job.

[1988] Just the anger and vitriol that she would attack those people with on a daily level is unbelievable.

[1989] Anger at the military and anger of people better.

[1990] She was literally campaigning to be the commander in chief.

[1991] Yep.

[1992] Of the military.

[1993] Yep.

[1994] Just because it comes out of the mouth.

[1995] How did she behave to them?

[1996] one of the best stories that I have was I won't say the agency that the person worked for was basically she was exiting the White House and he said good morning Mrs. Clinton and he was in a uniform at the time and she stopped and turned around she said hey why don't you go fuck yourself don't talk to me when I'm you know going in between place A to place B wherever she was going got back in her car fuck yourself yep more that I have that version of a story again not personally for me I'm basically saying the things that I have I've heard other people say, to me, in confidence directly.

[1997] But they're uniformed, these stories.

[1998] Correct.

[1999] Uniformed, whether that be, it could be a military, secret service, fill in the blank.

[2000] They wear a uniform.

[2001] But uniform also in the way these stories she exhibits the same sort of behavior.

[2002] It's exactly the same behavior when the cameras are not rolling.

[2003] And it's fucking terrifying because, yes, she is campaigning or was campaigning to be the commander in chief of, from what I can tell, again, having no direct relations with this person, a person that despite.

[2004] is almost I would describe it at that is what the organization stands for unbelievable I'm not surprised what stunned me is how the left was willing to just absolve her of her she was against gay marriage until 2013 her obvious belief system the like who she actually is versus like what she you don't know yeah what she's doing is being a slick politician just like her husband publicly she's the tide she will so rise and fall with whatever the trend is but the 2013 thing like the fact that like how could who who the fuck who's educated who the fuck who's a democrat at 2013 still thought that a marriage should be between a man and woman who gives a shit yeah like she did because that's what she does she licks her fingers she finds out where the wind is blowing and she goes that way and when you see the difference between what comie said about the investigation and what the investigation had found on her and what the illegal activity that she had participated in versus what she said, you know, with the deleted emails, the 30 ,000 deleted emails and all that stuff.

[2005] And there's a video that shows what he said versus what she said.

[2006] Oh, yeah.

[2007] Play them back to back with each other.

[2008] It's like how anybody could support her.

[2009] The idea that you wanted someone other than Donald Trump, I get it.

[2010] The idea that you wanted a woman, a historical first for equality.

[2011] I get that too.

[2012] But this is not your one.

[2013] There's got to be a lot of women out there.

[2014] the two choices we had out of what 360 plus million people now yeah god damn insane it just it's proof that the system is broken yeah i agree it's compromised for sure you know the only thing good about having a guy like trump in is he's not from the system is that he used all of his money and kind of jumped in and the financial system is still being supported obviously because he's a big part of it but the political system is in chaos i mean he's not a part of that at all and never was so besides donating money to them yeah that was the only thing that people thought was a and grace about him being in office like let's see but I think he's crazy I think he might literally have dementia I just wish that somebody would grab his phone just real do they try no just like real quick and just modify the app so but before he hits tweet it goes to like one or two people who give it just a quick sanity check and then they're like yes he would check proof I know I know he checks he checks his comments he fucking blocks people I know people are proud about that.

[2015] I've heard you talk about it.

[2016] And I've looked at him like, I'm blocked by president.

[2017] It's like, man. That's hilarious.

[2018] But again, I look at that as people have their head down not paying attention to what they should be paying attention to.

[2019] Because in those seams of people losing their mind over a tweet, what the hell is getting passed through in regulations and bills?

[2020] And I'm like, that's the shit that scares me. The EPA shit scares me the most because, you know, and what they're doing with the national monuments, there's people that are, they had a meeting this morning.

[2021] What's up?

[2022] What did?

[2023] Yeah, what do you do?

[2024] Two different parks that I can't remember him, but he shrunk him by a whole lot.

[2025] Pull it.

[2026] Pull it up.

[2027] Yeah, it's very scary.

[2028] He's carving out land and national monuments for privatization.

[2029] And there was one that they were talking about in Alaska.

[2030] That's very close to a gigantic salmon fishery.

[2031] Trump shrinks Utah monuments in historic move.

[2032] I wonder which one.

[2033] Make that bigger, please.

[2034] I can read it.

[2035] That doesn't stay right there.

[2036] If only the sandstones could sing, imagine the stories they tell of dinosaurs, mammoth hunters, and ancient ones known as the Anasazi.

[2037] All roams southern Utah over the eons, long before the Native Americans struggled to hold their land against the Mormon settlers, modern life, and now Donald Trump.

[2038] As President Trump arrives in Utah Monday afternoon, this rocky corner of the Wild West is a battlefield once again, but this time the warriors were carried briefcases and lawsuits.

[2039] signing two presidential proclamations on Monday, shrunk the size of Bears' ears national monument by more than 80 percent, and the Grand Staircase Escalante National Monument by roughly 45 percent, fundamentally reshaping the two large national monuments.

[2040] Man, fuck that guy.

[2041] I mean, can you give me why other than you guys?

[2042] I was going to say there's got to be an economical motivation behind that.

[2043] It's got to be resources.

[2044] It's got to be national resources.

[2045] It's got to be minerals or oil or something like that.

[2046] So, and that's my thing.

[2047] Like, why, so if you go to Fox News, right, every leading above the break article is Hillary.

[2048] This is Hillary.

[2049] Yeah.

[2050] Why is that not leading the news?

[2051] Because they're not really Americans.

[2052] They're little puppets.

[2053] I mean, this idea that they're there just for America, no, you're a puppet of the GOP.

[2054] That's what they are.

[2055] They're not really American.

[2056] They're fucking corrupt.

[2057] They're corrupt as everybody else is.

[2058] They're the worst.

[2059] Like that, the thing that you, if you're, you have blind allegiance towards the president when he does stuff like this.

[2060] That's crazy.

[2061] You have to call it.

[2062] And some people do.

[2063] Like that's Shepard, what's his name?

[2064] Shepard Smith?

[2065] Yeah, that guy.

[2066] The perfect eyebrows.

[2067] He calls a president.

[2068] Okay.

[2069] I don't know if I've ever seen his eyebrows, but I'm going to take him.

[2070] He seems like he could have been one of those guys that was upset at Hillary Clinton up until about 2013.

[2071] Yeah.

[2072] I think I, I think I hear what you're putting down there.

[2073] But again, you know, so people are, they're losing their mind about tweets and then the monument got cut by 80 % and another one by 45%.

[2074] And I mean, and that's one example.

[2075] I don't know.

[2076] And I agree with you, they are corrupt.

[2077] And what I have found in myself.

[2078] And again, what I think is dangerous is that I've stopped paying attention.

[2079] Yeah.

[2080] And as soon as that happens, I don't know what the hell is going on.

[2081] Yeah, that's what happens with a lot of people.

[2082] And a lot of people just want to, I mean, you feel like you can't do anything other than vote, right?

[2083] Vote and protest.

[2084] and you have a job and a family, how do you have time to protest?

[2085] And so a lot of people shut out because they just don't feel like, they don't feel like they can represent their opinions in a way that's going to be meaningful and impactful.

[2086] Yeah.

[2087] It's just, it's a terrible job.

[2088] The job of having one chief monkey that controls 300 plus million people.

[2089] It's a good definition.

[2090] Yeah.

[2091] And then here's the thing.

[2092] If you are the chief monkey, if they show that you're a liar, if they can show, if there's like proof that you're a liar, fire should be removed from office if you get if you if you are in court right and you swear on a Bible and the you commit perjury you'd go to jail like why is swearing into office for the United States why is that less of a like a situation where you could be charged with perjury like that seems to me to be far more significant you're you're you're literally in control of the country.

[2093] You can do things like this fucking thing that he signed that shrinks these monuments, these horrible reductions in the power that the EPA has.

[2094] The fucking environmental protection agency is to protect our very environment.

[2095] He's like, no, no, no, we don't need that.

[2096] We don't need protection.

[2097] Trust me. We got me. Yeah.

[2098] You would think that he would be held more accountable because the stakes are so much higher, and it affects so many people.

[2099] Yeah, I mean, the amount of lies that he's told since office, they're stunning.

[2100] And you could just get away with them.

[2101] Yeah.

[2102] You shouldn't be able to get away with lies as a president.

[2103] I think lies as a president and willingly lie is one thing to being misinformed.

[2104] Yeah.

[2105] But willingly lying as the president, if they can show that you had information to the contrary of what you're saying, you should be removed from office.

[2106] It should be a disqualifying factor for sure.

[2107] 100%.

[2108] Yeah.

[2109] A hundred percent.

[2110] But we've never had someone that lies this much.

[2111] We just don't know about it.

[2112] Well, no one has been able to be proven to be this much of a liar.

[2113] We've never had that.

[2114] where someone lies so much you're like why how many like there's a website that was documenting the number of times trump lied it was like they documented all the trump lies over the past year and it's it's crazy it's just it's just it's so frustrating as of june 23rd oh my every day here's a different one yeah i mean what's that what's the website called it's from the new york times It just says Trump flies on top.

[2115] It's an opinion.

[2116] Yeah, I mean, scroll up and we could make it larger so I could read it here.

[2117] Yeah, I don't know, man. I don't want to.

[2118] I don't even want to read them.

[2119] I'll just get super depressed.

[2120] Well, the only issue I have with that is that people were really quick to jump on that bandwagon, and all I would say is you should be prepared to have that level of scrutiny thrown back on yourself.

[2121] True.

[2122] Because, I mean, how fucking long would everybody else's list be?

[2123] You know what I mean?

[2124] That's the one thing that I haven't, like...

[2125] Once you get into office, for sure.

[2126] Would that list be the same?

[2127] Like if you knew, like if I say Andy Stump, do you swear to take the office of the United States president and do the whole thing, handle the Bible?

[2128] From there on, you got to know that you have to keep your fucking shit together.

[2129] 100%.

[2130] You can't lie.

[2131] Yeah.

[2132] I agree.

[2133] And like I said, I'm not, I'm just, I wish people would take that level of accountability on themselves as well, too.

[2134] I think the country would be a better place if people acted as if there was an organization ready to write down a list of their deficiencies at any given time.

[2135] I think you're totally right.

[2136] I think you're totally right, but I think that what we're seeing is, for the first time, like, a president that is showing why we have a real flaw with this idea of one person being the chief dog.

[2137] I think he's scaring the piss out of people.

[2138] Usually, the topic swings back around to, like, nuclear weapons or nuclear war, and, like, can this one guy really go and just hit the button?

[2139] Well, also, the real problem is, I mean, this guy's very strategic.

[2140] I mean, he's thinking, he thought about re -election.

[2141] He filed for re -election almost immediately.

[2142] Oh, did he really?

[2143] Yeah.

[2144] There's a strategy for that, too, meaning that, like, I forget exactly what the strategy is, but it's in terms of how people are addressing him and how people are talking against him because they would be running for president.

[2145] They would also be, if they're running for president, because he is a presidential candidate.

[2146] There's, like, certain rules to behavior, and this is very calculated, yeah.

[2147] What a chess move, man. It's a very, it's a big chess move.

[2148] So this is what deserves me the most about North Korea because there's one way to ensure that people want to keep the same president and that way is war.

[2149] Like once you are in a war, say if we are three plus years in, he's campaigning for president again and it escalates with North Korea.

[2150] The propaganda escalates, the lies, the bullshit, and who knows, who knows what the fuck happens.

[2151] And then all of a sudden there's actual military action.

[2152] That is going to ensure a re -election, I think.

[2153] Or would, I could see that, or it would flip everybody against him.

[2154] I could see a swing in both ways.

[2155] It could.

[2156] It depends on how scared people are.

[2157] It depends on if we get attacked.

[2158] If we get attacked, I guarantee you he wins again.

[2159] Because nobody's going to want Bernie Sanders, I'm going to go there, and I'm going to promise them equality.

[2160] I think if we got attacked by North Korea, yeah, his escalation, might be nuclear in level and then it's we're all we're glowing in the dark yeah if that shit works if his stuff works i don't know that's i tell you what though you want to talk about a war that i would want no part of north korea oh daddy yeah no thank you rugged terrain controlled environments no thank you very much and they got some big old armies just call on elan musk and send in the drones get those boston dynamic drones that could do backflips get those fucking new robots that they have.

[2161] I tell you what, right now the drones are carrying the lion's share.

[2162] Are they?

[2163] Yeah.

[2164] I don't know if people realize how much, I mean, it's, they are carrying probably the lion's share of the kinetic activity throughout the globe.

[2165] I mean, they're doing as much as they can with that.

[2166] Really?

[2167] Yeah.

[2168] Like how much drone activity things going on that we don't know about?

[2169] That we don't know about.

[2170] I have absolutely no idea, but I would have to, I would have to imagine that it is, I would have to imagine that it's substantial.

[2171] It's it's less risk from a risk to force perspective because if you're looking at it as you're the person who has the drone, it's less risk because you're not putting a physical human being at risk or launching a force or an asset or a helicopter that could fill in the blank go wrong.

[2172] And then on the other side of that risk, though, is that how are you really sure the person that you're going after is there?

[2173] Are you really sure that they're alone?

[2174] Are you really sure that you can action this target in a way that's not going to have collateral damage.

[2175] So there's two different tides of two different sides of the risk.

[2176] And I think that right now, the American populace would probably rather not see flagrate coffins and just assume that business is being taken care of.

[2177] It's so disturbing.

[2178] The idea of that getting turned around on us is even more disturbing.

[2179] Think about it from that perspective.

[2180] If somebody launched a Tomahawk missile into downtown, or not Tomahawk because they're not on Hellfire.

[2181] Hellfire.

[2182] There you go.

[2183] Or J -D -M or fill -in -the -blank.

[2184] in L .A. China flies a drone over, or whatever, North Korea flies a drone over, and they just juice the U .S. Bank building in downtown L .A. How would we respond to that?

[2185] It's a, I mean, I sit back and I, I freak, I kick my, I just do mental judo in my head, trying to figure out what the hell I did with almost 20 years of my life and did it actually do anything important?

[2186] And where is everything going?

[2187] And like, what in the fuck?

[2188] What was I doing for so long?

[2189] I struggle with it quite often.

[2190] How so?

[2191] I worry that, so my biggest fear is that my children would have to finish something that I started.

[2192] But I also think that the success that we had as a military drove the creation of the enemy that we're fighting.

[2193] We took an organization that was largely geographically co -located and we were so effective at finding them when they met in groups of people.

[2194] that they splintered it and they spread apart, which is why now it's more effective to fly a drone over, as an example, Yemen.

[2195] I have no idea if that's happening, but it's easier to have a drone over Yemen than an aircraft carrier sitting off the coast to do something about it.

[2196] So now we have an enemy that was in a couple of countries that's now in 30, 40, 50, 60, 70 countries.

[2197] And you can't really cut the head off of that snake anymore.

[2198] And I look at, did I do anything that made my, kids, life's safer.

[2199] Do I do anything that made your daughter's life safer?

[2200] And I would say in the moment, I feel like I had a difference in the moment.

[2201] But I think in the grand scale of things looking back that everything that I was involved with, I almost think that the tide has washed it away.

[2202] And it's very frustrating.

[2203] How so?

[2204] Because I was only able to impact the battle space that I was physically in.

[2205] Right.

[2206] But imagine if you weren't there.

[2207] Well, so.

[2208] And so I. And imagine of others like.

[2209] You weren't there.

[2210] The role that we played, I think, is absolutely essential.

[2211] Looking back on my career, I think the role of what I did was to create space and a barrier and a boundary so people in this country could be a complete cunts and complain about their rights and freedoms and oppression and equality.

[2212] And all that said, we have to create an environment where those things can thrive and flourish and be in a melting pot and figure out who we are.

[2213] So we have to have that role.

[2214] But I just, what frustrates me is seeing what's going on in the country or in seeing what's, going on in the world and thinking that I was involved in something that was important, but just realizing all I was was the point in time is sticking my finger into dam that had 15 different water spouts coming out of it.

[2215] Right.

[2216] So you didn't have a total solution, but you certainly mitigated a problem.

[2217] We mitigated a problem only been in that moment in time.

[2218] But if you weren't there to mitigate it in that moment in time, who knows how much it could have escalated.

[2219] Who knows?

[2220] But who knows if the time that I was there mitigated the problem or kicked the football down the road and made it worse and it's a problem that your kids or mine are going to have to solve in the future and I don't know those answers I don't I really I was 100 % and still am 100 % committed and very proud of the actions that I took because at the end of the day I made the decisions of my actions I got to wear I'm super lucky and privileged to wear the American flag on my uniform and I got to be the example and the beacon of what I wanted the US to be every time that I got I mean I would encounter people didn't know what the US was they'd never seen an American before and how I acted was the U .S. to them.

[2221] So I think it was important and I'm proud of those things, but I just hope at the end of the day I made a difference, you know, instead of trying to run uphill on a soft sand berm and go nowhere.

[2222] Isn't that part of the problem with military action, too, is you don't really know what the result is ultimately going to be?

[2223] I mean, everybody hopes, and you're in the, you know, there's two sides, right?

[2224] Correct.

[2225] They both hope that they win.

[2226] You don't really know what the fuck the result's going to be.

[2227] And it's not a difference in commitment on either one of those sides.

[2228] People need to understand that as well, too.

[2229] It's not that I was more committed than the people that we were engaging with and with on a battlefield or anywhere in the world, it's a difference of opinion.

[2230] They believe what they believe, just as much as you and I believe what we believe, whatever the issue may be.

[2231] And I don't know.

[2232] I'm not, I can't say who's right.

[2233] You know, I just did the best that I could do to try to fight for what it is that I believed in.

[2234] And I don't know.

[2235] It's tough at the end of the day to sit back and think and be like, God damn it, what did I do with my time?

[2236] Yeah.

[2237] Yeah.

[2238] It is a daunting feeling to think that there's never going to be a time when we really are at peace worldwide.

[2239] I don't think we ever will be, but I also don't think we ever have been.

[2240] No, I don't think we ever have been either, but do you think we ever would be if we were attacked?

[2241] Do you remember that last one of the Reagan speeches where we talked about how quickly we would put our differences aside if we were attacked by an alien force from another world?

[2242] I think it would change some things.

[2243] Instead of being local in San Diego and having in L .A. the flags up, if the entire world was challenged with something that we had to come together with, I bet you there would be that feeling and it would cross probably any and all borders.

[2244] The UFO dorks, though, they grabbed that.

[2245] They thought, oh, my God, this is proof.

[2246] This is proof.

[2247] Reagan knows.

[2248] Reagan knows.

[2249] But I do feel like, almost like what we were talking about with 9 -11, right?

[2250] Like that being attacked made people more acceptable to each other, more.

[2251] felt more connected to each other, you know, let people in front of you on the highway, that kind of shit.

[2252] Hey, when you have your mortality in your life thrown in front of you, I think it creates a palette that is much easier to appreciate the little things.

[2253] And I don't think most people experience that.

[2254] Is it weird for you when you, you know, you spent so much time in combat and spent so much time overseas to come back and see all these people that really don't know the darkest side of the world currently?

[2255] I mean, people have a view of what the earth is in 2017.

[2256] And if you live in San Francisco and all you do is, you know, you work at Silicon Valley and hang out in the tech industry, you think this is the world in 2017 because this is your world.

[2257] Yeah.

[2258] This is your insulated little.

[2259] Like we were talking about you don't really know the world until you go into the forest.

[2260] You go into the forest, you go, oh, this is the world too.

[2261] The back country is still the world.

[2262] It's just, oh, this is what it's really like when we don't have these artificial structures.

[2263] And when you spent so much time in combat and you come over and you see all these people that are fighting over these insignificant things and squabbling about the use of the preferred gender pronouns and all this crazy shit that people find significant today.

[2264] It is very challenging for me to listen to the things that people feel are important and the lack of, I would say it's the lack of what I would consider.

[2265] to be perspective.

[2266] And it's funny.

[2267] If you do, say I did 17 years in the military, let's say a guy does 20 years, you actually don't spend that much time in combat.

[2268] Let's say you do a six -month deployment you're working even at every night of that six -month deployment, which isn't going to be the case.

[2269] So every other night.

[2270] So now you're working 90 days.

[2271] Of that time, you might spend 30 minutes in combat in those 90 days.

[2272] Multiply that by 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 deployments.

[2273] In 20 years, that's your total time combined in an actual combat environment, not a theater of war, but a combat environment where you're directly involved in it.

[2274] But that time period, for me, changes the way that I view the world.

[2275] Not only that time period, but just the time spent in those countries and seeing what's the standard in other countries and what's the standard here.

[2276] And when I hear, and again, I think we talked about before, you know, people talk about inequality or oppression here in this country and I'll be the first to admit that there's inequality which is fine because there's inequality everywhere but let's take a little bit of perspective here if you are fortunate enough to wake up in the United States of America the water that you sit down on the toilet over to take a shit is cleaner than most of the water people on earth are going to have access to you go to Starbucks and you may pay more per ounce for a cup of coffee for the fluid than you do the gas coming out of your pump going into your car that exceeds the annual income of most people on the face of the planet, you living in a first world country where instead of spending your time trying to find that water, you get to spend your time sleeping in line in front of the Apple store waiting for the new iPhone to come out.

[2277] And then you have the balls to bitch about how bad you have it.

[2278] That, to me, is a super tough pill to swallow because you want to talk about oppression and, you know, suppression of freedom of speech.

[2279] I've seen street corners that are still read from lopping dudes' heads off because they voiced opinion that was counter to the opinion of the day.

[2280] That will change your perspective on whether or not words hurt you and, you know, what rights actually mean?

[2281] And you'll be like, you know what?

[2282] What you say is actually really offended, you know, it's offensive to me, but I'm glad we live in a place where you can say those things moving on with my day.

[2283] How much does that change your perspective on human beings when you're in those environments?

[2284] what you think a human being actually is.

[2285] I have an inherent distrust of most of most human beings.

[2286] I mean, if I'm being totally honest, I don't want to say that I'm antisocial.

[2287] My wife would say that she probably wishes that I was more social, but I just kind of just take a step back and just try to avoid interactions with just about everybody that I encounter.

[2288] Well, I would imagine that your spectrum is so much wider than the average person's spectrum in terms of the atrocities that people are capable of committing.

[2289] You've seen, I mean, most of the time, right?

[2290] you're operating in this one small little sort of village in the spectrum that most people are that are in civilization.

[2291] You're in this one little tiny area.

[2292] But you've seen the full thing.

[2293] I mean, you've seen horrible, horrible shit.

[2294] Yep.

[2295] That's got to, I mean, there's no way that wouldn't have some sort of effect on how you would approach people.

[2296] Well, like I said, it puts me in a position where I almost have to sit back and I have to bite my tongue because I don't share the opinions that most people share.

[2297] because if the military service that I have gave me anything, I think it gave me a different perspective on the world.

[2298] And it's only because I traveled to more of it than I think most people get the chance to do.

[2299] And I got to see more of it not through my phone and my Instagram screen, but through my own eyes.

[2300] And that, all it really did is just changed my value perspective of life, of the little things.

[2301] It just, it makes it, it makes it hard sometimes.

[2302] Was there like a single or any significant moments that you can recall that really shifted the way you think about things?

[2303] In what perspective, do you mean?

[2304] Knowing the people capable of horrible shit.

[2305] I think the times that got me the most on that is where you would see adults talking kids into becoming suicide bombers.

[2306] Just the evil, evil motherfucker who instead of having the stones to come and face you, will go and try to talk some innocent kid and strapping on a suicide vest or a suicide belt and walk into a crowd and clack it off.

[2307] I mean, that is to me the most insidious type of evil because they're not willing to actually engage in themselves.

[2308] They want to prey on victims.

[2309] And if anything I hate in the world, it's that.

[2310] It's the victimization of innocent people.

[2311] Watching that and seeing that, that forever throws a different shade on your glasses for sure.

[2312] Just knowing that people are capable.

[2313] people are doing it.

[2314] I am not surprised by any human behavior that I see, which doesn't necessarily make me any more prepared.

[2315] But I also probably in the back of my head have a different thought process when I enter into situations.

[2316] It's not like, oh, hey, everything's going to be great.

[2317] Like, I get my plan to kill everybody first, and then I relax a little bit.

[2318] Yeah, who, who said that?

[2319] Probably Tim Kennedy.

[2320] Yeah, have a plan to kill everybody in the room.

[2321] But, and that's the thing.

[2322] and it was it McMaster's it might have been yeah it was be be friendly be courteous but have a plan to kill everybody in the room and if you're around human behavior that would put people on their heels and turn them white in the face long enough that is going to become your default position whether or not you want it to be or not I'm not in a violent person I'm probably the last person you could draw into violence but I'm not also surprised by violence and I'll react to it accordingly if I encounter it because it doesn't surprise me right Yeah.

[2323] I would just think that, I mean, I've just got to believe that a person like you that has experienced that insane level of cruelty and evil, that your view of the world, that you would be really intolerant to people that do have this sort of narrow -minded view of what the United States is and our role in the world and how the rest of the world views us and who the rest of the world is.

[2324] I'm incredibly appreciative that they live in a place that provides an environment for them, that they can have that narrow -minded view.

[2325] I'd rather them be that than have that place not exist.

[2326] You can be the biggest asshole you want to, and I'm going to sit back and be grateful that that place on Earth exists for you to be like that.

[2327] You know, and I understand the idea of the non -interventionalist foreign policy that if, you know, we never were in these places, we would never have issues.

[2328] Which is 100 % false.

[2329] It's just another way to look at yourself as a victim.

[2330] Is it?

[2331] I think so.

[2332] In my opinion, yes.

[2333] It's easier to blame, oh, well, if we didn't do this, then they wouldn't do that.

[2334] No, how about real evil does exist, and there are always going to be people who want to do something about that, regardless if you're a pacifist, you're a Catholic, fill in the blank.

[2335] You will have your axis somewhere on Earth, and they're coming for you.

[2336] Well, it's also those parts of the world in particular are so ancient, and people have been living there for so long.

[2337] I believe that they have the echoes of the past in them, so deep.

[2338] embedded in their culture and in their actions.

[2339] I mean, you're talking about parts of the world that really they've had people living there for five, six thousand years.

[2340] And the ancient barbaric instincts of those people just have got to be, those echoes have got to be sort of reverberating through those cultures.

[2341] Some of them are very interesting.

[2342] I think one of the biggest differences that I saw between Iraq and Afghanistan and the United States.

[2343] And, you know, a couple, actually, no, definitely those two countries in the Middle East is that there's just a different appreciation for life.

[2344] They, there's less of a value of life because I think they almost find or expect that it's going to just end sooner.

[2345] It's very, very different culturally.

[2346] And yeah, I don't know.

[2347] I don't know if that oil in water will mix or if it ever can mix or we need to have a third party that acts as something in between, that allows us to gel or may i don't know it's i don't have a solution for it that's for sure and when you look at like how long there's been conflict in the middle east it almost seems like an insurmountable issue there's been conflict with man since the history of man right i mean and so i say i think we're in a forever war right now we probably were in a forever war before it's just i think the face of warfare has changed along the way and the access to information about that has drastically increased which changes people's perception about it right like we're always involved in some sort of a conflict.

[2348] But what we think of as a war is when we have our troops over there, our citizens, over there enlisted, then we say, oh, okay, well, now we're actually at war.

[2349] Yeah.

[2350] And this war, especially what's going on in Afghanistan, has been going on for so long.

[2351] Yeah, coming up on 17 years.

[2352] That's so crazy.

[2353] Yep.

[2354] And what's happening over there?

[2355] I mean, what are we accomplishing?

[2356] I don't have a complete answer for that.

[2357] In my opinion, I would say that they are trying to do their best to stabilize that region of the world by supporting the government would be my best just murderous murderous in the sense of not being able to describe a properly explanation of what's going on man and iraq is the same way don't think for a second that we ever had boots off of the ground in iraq it's just talked about a lot less we still have a presence there but people don't understand we still have a presence in korea we still have a presence in Europe.

[2358] That's how long you have to stay if you're willing to invest the time for stabilization, which the U .S. military, I would argue, is not very good at those type of operations.

[2359] You can do it, but you could also probably do open heart surgery with a shovel, too.

[2360] It doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be the cleanest.

[2361] So you should probably have a military and then you should probably have some sort of fix -up crew.

[2362] I mean, I think they try to do that with all the non -government organizations or other government organizations, I just think it's really difficult.

[2363] And, you know, in the Middle East, like you said, you're talking about people who have been there for 5 and 6 ,000 years.

[2364] The 17 years that we've had a presence there, they're like, talk to me later, son, when it's 1 ,700.

[2365] Yeah.

[2366] I don't know how the solution for it at all.

[2367] I mean, it's, these are the things I think about.

[2368] The solution might be moved to a town of 22 ,000 people.

[2369] You're goddamn right it is.

[2370] It might be.

[2371] Just disengage.

[2372] I do better.

[2373] Try to enjoy your time.

[2374] I'd do better with it there, but I mean, I'd spend an inordinate time, amount of time thinking about that stuff trying to make sense of that amount of time in my life.

[2375] How could you not?

[2376] It's 20 years of your existence on planet Earth.

[2377] Almost, yeah.

[2378] That's a lot of time.

[2379] Yep.

[2380] And it probably would have been more if you didn't get shot.

[2381] Well, I actually nursed it out for eight more years after I got shot.

[2382] I did another deployment after I got shot, which was probably not the best call because I had some residual effects from it.

[2383] and almost got to the point where I was like, okay, I need to call helicopter in and come pick me up because I'm inhibiting the other people that I was with.

[2384] Wow.

[2385] I didn't want to be done.

[2386] I mean, I got shot in 2005, so I was 27, super young in comparison to where I am now, at a place I wanted to be operating at a level that I wanted to be operating at.

[2387] And then, you know, I'm in an indie car doing 800 around the track.

[2388] And it's like, oops, just put it in reverse by accident.

[2389] There goes the tranny.

[2390] down on the track and just to try to rebuild that and it took a while but yeah I ended up strapped it on one more time and then at the end of that it was like okay I can't do it why did you want to go back like what was what I mean this is something that Sebastian Younger talked about a lot in tribe I think for me it was more I needed to I needed to do it for myself when I got shot it scared the shit out of me you know there's a lot of a lot of times in the movies there's this just blind heroism and it doesn't matter what's going on and you're like I'm just going to run through the hail of bullets well I was flat on my back and but when the round hit me in my hip by the time I had hit the ground my first thought in my head was that my femur had just been shattered and I was going to bleed to death in the space of your hamstring and your quad you can fit your entire blood volume in there like I'll be dead in about a minute that's what I was thinking in my head before I hit the ground and then what ended up happening that night happened eight people ended up getting wounded I was one of the least wounded people so they were flying people out on helicopters.

[2391] I got put into a Bradley fighting vehicle and taken to the green zone in Iraq, but it scared the crap out of me. And not only did it scare the crap out of me, it absolutely crushed my confidence and my ability to do my job, which up until that point, I thought that I was at the very least competent and capable of doing my job.

[2392] And I had everything was going great up until that moment, and then it didn't.

[2393] And I had nothing but questions and a void that I had to pull myself out of.

[2394] And it was probably very selfish in my desire to go back and my desire to continue doing what I was doing.

[2395] But I had to build myself back up to a point where I thought I could operate again.

[2396] And I remember very distinctly going back to Afghanistan in 2010 and standing outside of a door, getting ready to go into a door on a house, thinking in my head, do you still have it?

[2397] And then going into the door and I needed for myself to do that again to I guess regain for me a sense of who I was and to regain my confidence.

[2398] Wow.

[2399] What did what did you fear would happen if you didn't do that?

[2400] I feared that I wouldn't know who I was because when I was younger I'll be the first to admit that I believe I put too much weight into what I did as opposed to who I was.

[2401] I had too much attached to being a seal it was and i and i again in my opinion the problem that i see with people that struggle when they get out of the military is if they attach too much of their identity to an occupation that they've walked away from they really struggle most times not always but most times and those people can end up getting themselves into some pretty bad positions and when for guys who get out from that career when they go off the rails fuck me they go off the rails in a big way because we have two speeds we have fifth gear and hold my beer that's the only two speeds that we have yeah and i thought i had lost that and i i was at a point in my life where like i said i was where i wanted to be doing what i was wanting to do i thought i was doing it right and i mean it i thought i was going to die and 36 hours after getting shot i got off the stairs of an airplane in virginia beach and my wife had my son in a stroller and was pregnant with my second my middle son It just was such a bizarre series of events that happened so quickly.

[2402] And I went from going so fast to nowhere, to having nothing to do, to not understanding why I couldn't train my body to get back to where I was.

[2403] It was the only job I'd had in my adult life other than working for my father.

[2404] I had too much invested in that occupational title.

[2405] And I think one of the best things that I was able to do in my military career was to survive it and get out and to move on.

[2406] That's one of the hardest things for fighters as well.

[2407] it's a big thing with MMA fighters boxers too they just don't know what to do when it's over they have they become these incredible winners in this one avenue and then once that's done they rarely achieve that same kind of success in anything else well they're probably not thinking about anything else when in the middle of fighting which is very common with people in the military too because the job does require a very focused myopic sense of drive this is what you need to do especially in the seal teams.

[2408] It's the team comes first.

[2409] Team gear, personal gear, then take care of yourself.

[2410] Worry more about the person to your left and to the right and then worry about yourself.

[2411] You know, consider the impacts of your actions and your words on the people around you and then on yourself.

[2412] So it's very, it is very driven down into a laser -like focus, but that's also required to survive and thrive in those environments.

[2413] But if left unchecked, you'll end up at the end of your career, not prepared for the next phase of your life.

[2414] And say you do 20 years in the military, which is what you need to do to get a retirement, you join when you're 18.

[2415] So, hey, you're 38.

[2416] Well, the average lifespan of an American is, what, 80, 85?

[2417] You got a lot of time left.

[2418] What are you going to do?

[2419] And if you haven't thought about it, it's, it's, I see guys who struggle.

[2420] I see guys, and I struggle myself.

[2421] But I think I, I think I went through that struggle while I was still in.

[2422] And I think that struggle allowed me to lift my chin up just a little bit to look around to start thinking about the future.

[2423] You're a bad motherfucker, Andy's stump.

[2424] Let's wrap this up.

[2425] I don't know about that, but...

[2426] I do.

[2427] I do.

[2428] Let's wrap this up right there.

[2429] Cool.

[2430] Thanks, brother.

[2431] Appreciate you, man. Yeah, thanks for having me. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back tomorrow.

[2432] See ya.