The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz XX
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[1] Hello, welcome to The Hockey Show.
[2] My name is Roy Bellamy.
[3] That's David Druke of the Hockey News, and we are going to talk about hockey movies coming up.
[4] We got ourselves a top five list of hockey movies that we believe are very good.
[5] We took a lot of time and effort into these rankings, so I hope you guys appreciate what we did.
[6] Yeah, well, you did.
[7] But first, some news out the hockey world came out this week, as the emminton oil is hired stand Bowman as general manager and executive vice president of hockey operations.
[8] Stan Bowman, Joel Quinnville, Al McIsaac, was suspended indefinitely in 2021 because they mishandled some sexual assault allegations by former Blackhawks player, Kyle Beach, against video coach Brad Aldridge.
[9] Aldridge has his name on the Stanley Cup, or I should say had his name on the Stanley Cup for the 2010 team.
[10] except the Hockey Hall of Fame, edited it out.
[11] They handled a bunch of exes above Brad Aldrich's name.
[12] It's going to be like the biggest disparagement.
[13] Like that's all, it's not even like getting it erased.
[14] Like it's there with X's over it forever.
[15] Yeah, every time you ask, oh, why is his name X now?
[16] Oh, because he sexually assaulted a player.
[17] That's awful.
[18] Yeah, that's awful.
[19] Three weeks ago, July 1st, Bowman, Crenville, and McGisick were all reinstated by the National Hockey League.
[20] So, three weeks later, the Immaterial, Ballers have decided to hire Bowman as pretty much headman in charge for the defending Western Conference champion.
[21] And the question is, why?
[22] Well, I see why.
[23] If you want to dive into it, you can see why, based off of the hockey X's and O's, the Nuts and Bulls, like what he did in Chicago when they were good.
[24] Like, he took over a team that was in win now mode, and he helped them to win now for a few years.
[25] And so I can see why Edmonton, Edmonton very much in win now mode, arguably the top team in the West right now, heading into the season.
[26] It's what Aldrich, or it's what Aldrich?
[27] No, no, no. It's what Bowman did after the Blackhawks started winning Stanley Cups.
[28] That kind of destroyed that dynasty, which is what draws the questions.
[29] And that's just the X's and O's element.
[30] We're not even talking about the morality and that whole part of hierarchy.
[31] him taking a team that's maybe like, I mean, I don't know when Edmonton has been this high in terms of excitement in terms of the team.
[32] They're viewed as maybe the best team in the West right now.
[33] And the fans are pumped.
[34] And now you bring in somebody that at least half the fan base, you have to think they're wringing their hands right now.
[35] Like, what the hell are they thinking bringing in this guy who's got, you know, kind of a, you know, a scarlet letter on his forehead, for lack of a better term?
[36] If you are on your oldest roster or you're all prospect and juniors, or you might be on their HL team.
[37] You got to wonder, well, how can we trust the organization if you have somebody who can't go to bat for one of the players, like Bowman did not.
[38] And you got to keep in mind when these allegations happened.
[39] This happened during the playoffs.
[40] This happened during the Shark Series when the Blackharts played them in 2010.
[41] That got swept under the rug.
[42] Nothing happened to Aldridge during that time.
[43] So what's to say that that happened?
[44] again, one of the coaches, one of the people in the front office, or play to player, that happens during the season and that happens again.
[45] What do you do?
[46] It's tough.
[47] You have to think that this is something that's crept into a player's minds over the last week or so.
[48] How could it not?
[49] You would think that after what happened in 2010 and the setting in the place that we're living in right now, that if, God forbid, something like that did happen, that the players would feel empowered enough to speak up about it, which probably wasn't the case, you know, 20 or 15 years ago when it happened in 2010, but it's just, it's a thought that players are having that's not necessary.
[50] Like, was Edmonton that desperate?
[51] Was he, like, did they zero in?
[52] Like, this is the guy.
[53] This is the only guy that's going to work for us because there's so much gray.
[54] Like, you know, it's so far from black and white with this.
[55] It's not right or wrong.
[56] Like, there's so much nuance to it.
[57] You just wonder what was the decision making that behind it.
[58] And why was this the guy that it?
[59] it had to be.
[60] And this is another thing that I also thought about that this is a retread.
[61] This is how the Mike Babcox of the world keep getting jobs because you keep going back to that well.
[62] Like at least the Panthers, they got Bill Zito.
[63] Like that was a former agent who was in the Columbus organization, who was assistant GM.
[64] They hired him and now the Stanley Cup champion.
[65] They didn't go with a retread.
[66] They went with somebody else who proved themselves.
[67] The oldest are not doing that here.
[68] No, they're not.
[69] And they're opening themselves.
[70] up to a lot of scrutiny.
[71] I mean, obviously, we're talking about it.
[72] It's been, you know, widely discussed over the past few days.
[73] In this day and age where so much is image, and as I said, I just keep going back to where the Oilers are right now.
[74] Like, this is probably the best spot that that team and that franchise has been in since, you know, mid -2000s when they went to the Stanley Cup final.
[75] And even then, like, that team, that was kind of like a Cinderella -type team that went to the final with, like, UC Marketing and I think was their goalie.
[76] And, like, Chris Brondor was on that team.
[77] Yeah, I just, I don't know.
[78] man. I'm curious to see how it plays out.
[79] And I'm rooting for this to all end up being okay that, you know, Stan Bowman has learned his lesson.
[80] I mean, we know Sheldon Kennedy kind of went to bat for him and that's kind of the big thing that they're hanging their hats on out there.
[81] And hopefully that this is just a big learning thing and it shows that we can all get better and we can learn from our mistakes.
[82] But I have a lot of questions and I'll be watching this very closely as I'm sure a lot of people will be.
[83] Transition.
[84] All right.
[85] So this is where we talk about the top five movies that we have on our list.
[86] All right, explain what we're doing here.
[87] All right, so Roy and I came up with a list of, was it, like 11 different movies with a couple sequels mixed in.
[88] They are, I'll go down it real quick.
[89] Miracle, the Goon movies, the Mighty Duck trilogy, Slapshot 1, only Slapshot 1.
[90] Youngblood, Mystery, Alaska, the Tooth Fairy, Sudden Death, Happy Gilmore, and Most Valuable Primate.
[91] Now, we judge these movies on four criteria, storytelling, acting, hockey accuracy, cinematography.
[92] We ranked each category from one to five.
[93] So the highest score any movie could get is a 20.
[94] You may need to go back and re -listen or re -watch that to get it all.
[95] But this is where we're at.
[96] We did this yesterday.
[97] And I took a lot of time.
[98] I'll be honest.
[99] I went back and I watched footage.
[100] I put way too much time into this, but it was a lot of fun.
[101] So that's our top five hockey movies, according to Roy and I. Roy?
[102] All right.
[103] So I'm going to start with what did not make my list.
[104] Off the board, the Mighty Ducks.
[105] all right so it was a zero on hockey accuracy let's get that straight that's ridiculous it was a one on storytelling it was a disney -fied story oh my god so get that out of here the acting was bad that was a one and uh cinematography and i'll give that a three so yeah yeah so that's off the board like that didn't make the list but you know i'll give you my stats on i'm with you though mighty ducks didn't make my top five None of them did.
[106] They're just off, which is interesting.
[107] I didn't, I wasn't quite as brutal as you were with, like, the acting wasn't great, but they're kids' movies.
[108] There were some decent acting.
[109] The cinematography was whatever.
[110] Yeah, well, kids acting.
[111] I give it good storytelling, because I loved those stories when I was a kid.
[112] I gave them a four, a four, and a three on the storytelling.
[113] But either way, they're all out of my top five.
[114] All right.
[115] Let's go with, for me, outside looking in.
[116] That would be Happy Gilmore.
[117] Listen, the acting, I'll give a two.
[118] Maybe, you know what, I'll give it a three because of Christopher McDonald.
[119] Yeah, so Shooter McGavin, get yourself.
[120] That's exactly what bumped it up from a two to a three for me too.
[121] Off my list, our most valuable primate and the Tooth Fairy, which the Tooth Fairy, go look up the cast in the Tooth Fairy.
[122] It is ridiculous.
[123] The cast that are, like, Julie Andrews, Billy Crystal, Ashley Judd, Stephen Merchant.
[124] This is like an all -star cast.
[125] Disney went all out for the Tooth Ferry.
[126] So those are not even outside looking in.
[127] Those are just straight off the board.
[128] Yeah.
[129] Well, because my fifth place is a four -way tie.
[130] So my outside looking in is kind of fifth place.
[131] This is doing ties here.
[132] Well, because we did a score ranking.
[133] So I'll give you my...
[134] By the way, I'm not keeping count.
[135] I don't have a tabulator.
[136] I don't have a calculator.
[137] I don't have a calculator.
[138] I don't have a paper here or...
[139] You're good.
[140] As long as you remember your top five, we're good.
[141] So my fifth place with 14 points each were happy Gilmore, slap shot, Goon 1 and Goon 2.
[142] So that's fifth place four -way tie, four not even bronze medals, because it's fifth place.
[143] But no, I mean, look, the Goon stories are great.
[144] I love both stories.
[145] I thought they're great.
[146] The hockey accuracy is actually pretty good in the Goon movies.
[147] The hockey accuracy and Happy Gilmore, I give it that too, because he's taking slap shots to play golf.
[148] So I'll give him that.
[149] Oh, good God.
[150] And also, I don't even, did I mention Slapshot is fifth place for me, tied for fifth?
[151] Slapshot, I gave it a four, I gave it a four for storytelling, and I gave it a four for cinematography, because those old arenas, I love them.
[152] Hockey actors, see just the three, and acting, I mean, Han, but.
[153] Yeah, that doesn't hold up, by the way.
[154] Yeah, not so much.
[155] You can't say the line for that particular.
[156] No, no, no, no. Cannot do that.
[157] Most good movies from that era do not hold up.
[158] up these days.
[159] Yeah.
[160] Number five for me is Mystery Alaska.
[161] Okay.
[162] The acting is, I would give it a four on acting.
[163] Okay.
[164] Because Hank Azaria, I would say that is his most normal character that he's ever played.
[165] Yes.
[166] He's normally a voice actor.
[167] That was all his voice.
[168] Yeah, that was all his voice.
[169] That's all him, basically.
[170] Hockey accuracy, I would say, why would the Rangers do that?
[171] Yeah.
[172] So, a one.
[173] But, you see, when I'm talking hockey accuracy, I'm talking like the hockey action in the movie.
[174] Okay.
[175] Yeah, sure.
[176] That was pretty good.
[177] The hockey action in the movie, yeah, sure.
[178] No NHL team is taking a mid -season break to go play pond hockey.
[179] Let's go risk getting injured on a non -certified item.
[180] The cinematography was a three because...
[181] Oh, dude.
[182] Let me, sure.
[183] Cinematography for me was a five.
[184] That was gorgeous.
[185] Come on.
[186] Cultures and stuff.
[187] All right, fine, fine, fine, fine.
[188] All right.
[189] My number four is Youngblood.
[190] I gave it a four storytelling, awesome story.
[191] Keanu Reeves was the goalie, Patrick Swayze, you know, it's great acting as well.
[192] Hockey accuracy, I gave that a four cinematography, I gave it a three, but just a great hockey movie.
[193] Pothosinthia Gibb, gorgeous.
[194] Number four for me is sudden death.
[195] Okay.
[196] Now, the acting was, the acting is very like peaks and valleys, because John Claude Van Dam is John Claude Van Dam.
[197] But Powers Booth?
[198] Yeah, he's good.
[199] He's up there on a...
[200] The dude that played Hallmark, whose name I can't think of?
[201] Oh, man, he was in a full metal jacket.
[202] Yes, he was.
[203] I forgot his name.
[204] But, yeah.
[205] Yeah, it's a decent acting in that movie.
[206] Damien.
[207] Damien Hallward.
[208] Ah.
[209] There it is.
[210] Wow.
[211] That's some good recall right there.
[212] Thank you.
[213] Thank you.
[214] Yeah, a terrible acting, but in a good way.
[215] I'll give that a three, just based on Power's Booth.
[216] Just like, Hank.
[217] Just like Christopher McDonald.
[218] Yeah.
[219] Storytelling is very gripping.
[220] I gave it a five for storytelling.
[221] I gave it a four.
[222] They dropped a helicopter into the igloo.
[223] Yeah.
[224] So sudden death is my number three.
[225] So I gave it a five for storytelling.
[226] I gave it a four for acting and cinematography, because as I just said, just, you know, cool use of the igloo.
[227] Hockey accuracy, I gave it a three because it looked good, but so far -fetched.
[228] Toliver!
[229] Get your ass back in there.
[230] Absolutely, absolutely not.
[231] I think a head coach would notice that his goaltender.
[232] It's perfect because coaches don't know goalies at all.
[233] Just ask Paul Maurice, who says he doesn't know anything about goalies.
[234] It's just saying it fits.
[235] Miracle was my number three.
[236] Oh, yeah.
[237] It was excellent at five.
[238] Excellent acting.
[239] Kurt Russell as Herb Brooks.
[240] Great job in that movie.
[241] Hockey accuracy is a docu -drama, so that's going to have to be a five.
[242] Yeah.
[243] But storytelling, Disney, Five.
[244] So I would have to give that like a three, unfortunately, on that one.
[245] And, of course, cinematography is always going to be good on that one.
[246] Number two for me was Mystery Alaska.
[247] I gave it a three for storytelling, but I gave it a four for acting.
[248] I thought, you know, Russell Crow was really good.
[249] The girl who played his wife, who I can't remember, I think Nancy something.
[250] Just, you know, really good across the board.
[251] The girl who does the cheese commercials, she was the news reporter that, that Stank Martin tried to hook up with.
[252] You know, it's just funny.
[253] The cinematography was amazing, and I thought the hockey action was pretty accurate, too.
[254] So 17 out of 20 for Mystery Alaska.
[255] Goon is my number two.
[256] Yeah, Goon was an excellent movie.
[257] I loved that movie.
[258] The acting, I mean, come on.
[259] I mean...
[260] I gave Goon 4 for acting.
[261] Yeah, really?
[262] I did.
[263] I gave him four for both movies for acting.
[264] Ah, man. It's great cast.
[265] Leah Streiber is the man. Yes.
[266] Yeah, so I would get that through, just based on that.
[267] Storytelling, as a comedy, all this is far -fetched, so, I mean, I give it a three.
[268] Yeah, same.
[269] Hockey accuracy, I mean.
[270] It's pretty good.
[271] I give them fours.
[272] Yeah, yeah.
[273] The pads are on straight, they look good, the hockey action looks pretty accurate.
[274] The one thing I would think them on is towards the end of the movie, their playmaker, getting a five -minute major for high -sticking would normally be a game of scorn.
[275] Well, yes.
[276] Yeah, so that's something I would absolutely give them.
[277] That knocks it down from a five to a four, yeah.
[278] Yeah, yeah, but otherwise, excellent movie.
[279] So my number one, miracle, amazing hockey movie.
[280] The only thing that didn't get a five for me was, you're going to throw something at me, it's the acting.
[281] Just because the high end, the Kurt Russell, the Patricia Clarkson, like the professional actors were great.
[282] And one or two of the hockey players were professional actors.
[283] The rest, like the guy who played Mike Ruzioni, God love him from the same.
[284] The United States of America.
[285] You know, you could tell that they weren't professional actors, but overall, I mean, it's just, I gave it 19 out of 20.
[286] It was, it's an amazing hockey movie.
[287] And number one for me is Slapshot.
[288] Cream of the Crop, except it does not hold up.
[289] Except we can't watch it in public.
[290] I mean, you got the greatest, one of the greatest actors of all the time in Paul Newman.
[291] Yeah.
[292] He said he had so much fun doing that movie is his most favorite movie.
[293] So yeah, I give that to him.
[294] And the hockey accuracy, I mean, was there a lot of line brawls in the national.
[295] There were some very true elements.
[296] Very true elements to that.
[297] And also the Hanson brothers are like iconic for like four decades now.
[298] Those guys have like been part of hockey lore.
[299] Yeah.
[300] So that's our top five lists.
[301] Not bad.
[302] You probably won't agree with us.
[303] Maybe you will agree with us.
[304] But we're just filling content in the off -season, so what we want us to do.
[305] So the next one that we're going to do is we're going to rank fictional hockey players.
[306] And that one is going to take an even deeper dive, I think.
[307] Yeah.
[308] Because that's more than just movies.
[309] We've got to get into like Shorzy.
[310] Yeah, television.
[311] That'd be fun.
[312] The blueberry bulldogs.
[313] Oh, it's up Barry.
[314] Hey, look at your jersey.
[315] You're a hoodie.
[316] My little hoodie.
[317] All right.
[318] See you next week.
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