2025 NFL Combine Recap – DL & LBs

[0] And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks from Indianapolis, the home of the NFL scouting combine.

[1] We begin a three episode series of move the sticks.

[2] What's up everybody.

[3] Great to be back here with you.

[4] Rhett Lewis.

[5] Bucky Brooks, Lance Zerline, like we have been for the last couple of years, bringing you the biggest and best info from the day's workouts as everything got started on Thursday with the defensive line, defensive tackles, edge defenders and linebackers.

[6] So that's what our focus is today.

[7] Looking back at Thursday, I will also have a little brief preview of what's to come here on Friday.

[8] But guys, I mean, we are in the Hoosier State, so it just makes sense that we talk about.

[9] the heaviest guy that ran the fastest 40 you know talking about the heaviest guy that ran a sub 540 from that defensive tackle class since we're in the Hoosier state talking about the college football playoff participant, Indiana Hoosiers and CJ West, right?

[10] I mean, like that's where you guys, that's the lead.

[11] That's where we lead.

[12] CJ West, you guys wanted to talk about, right?

[13] So the algorithm is going to say, move the sick podcast talks about CJ West being a big, CJ West stuff in my timeline.

[14] And rightly so.

[15] So I thought that was, by the way, a really impressive time.

[16] Ran 4 .95 at 316 pounds.

[17] He can move.

[18] And so I think that's, you know, it was a really important thing for him to showcase, to put all that into his draft profile.

[19] But look, I mean, we saw some incredible times, some incredible jumps out of this group.

[20] We're going to get to all of those numbers here, but let's start with the big guys who hit the field and hit the turf first.

[21] Look, I think one of the headlines was, all right.

[22] We didn't see Mason Graham.

[23] We didn't see Kenneth Grant or Walter Nolan, you know, three guys that are that are first round pick type of players at that position.

[24] But from the D tackles, Bucky, what kind of stood out to you from that group?

[25] Well, one, you just see.

[26] Big guys who can run fast are always going to get paid.

[27] And seeing so many athletic big bodies, to me, it just tells you where the league is going.

[28] And we'll eventually get to the part where we start talking about these players.

[29] But when I look at a big guy like a Derek Harmon that can move like that, and then the computer spits out his compass, Chris Jones, that kind of tells you what we're dealing with on the front line.

[30] And as everybody is still trying to process what the Philadelphia Eagles have done and what they've become by investing in the front line.

[31] You just know that we're going to have a run early on big body defenders at the point of attack.

[32] And a lot of those guys really acquitted themselves well in terms of making a case to come off the board early.

[33] You know, I went down there because I wanted to see.

[34] I just watch guys on tape.

[35] I want to go see what they look like.

[36] And there's some guys that don't look great, honestly.

[37] I mean, hey, I'm with you.

[38] But at the same time, what I'm saying is, you know, if you want to be a first, second, third round pick, a lot of times.

[39] Some teams want you to look a certain kind of way, or they're going to push you down.

[40] But then you see a joker like T .J. Sanders, and that guy looks good.

[41] Now, he didn't work out, but I just look at it, and I'm like, man, this looks like the real deal.

[42] Josh Farmer.

[43] Josh Farmer looked great, ran well, 35 inch arms, really good workout.

[44] And I think Josh Farmer, to me, I went back to my hotel, looked at my grades.

[45] I'm like, okay, he's in the same category, but I'm going to stack him higher than I had him before.

[46] And that's some of the things you do, like the traits of 35 inch arms.

[47] That's a big deal to me. How he moved out of here.

[48] That's a big deal because I know he's got that in him.

[49] I already thought he was a good player regardless.

[50] You know, those are, and you know, but on the flip side, I do want to.

[51] mention because i mentioned it on twitter you know alfred collins i kind of had him locked into the second round set it and forget it but he came in at 334 pounds which was which is like 14 pounds heavier than what he was in the spring um he's got you know good length he's good height he jumped really low so bucky as a as a scout you know 26 inch vertical eight eight broad and I'm looking for an explosive player.

[52] Those aren't explosive numbers.

[53] No, those aren't explosive numbers.

[54] And it normally correlates with how fast they run.

[55] Right.

[56] And those things.

[57] And it's not the tell all, but it does worry you a little bit when you don't see those explosive jumps, because we always talk about a checks and balances system in the evaluation and how certain exercises and drills that we do allow us to cross reference and see what the guy's athleticism is when they don't jump high.

[58] it kind of tends to let you know that they're not going to be as explosive as it may think, but it's just a battery.

[59] And we're going to get to the edge rushers in a second, but I feel like this conversation begs the discussion point about James Pierce, who runs the fastest 40 time of anybody that competed yesterday, right at 447.

[60] but only jumped 31 in the vert.

[61] It just didn't compute.

[62] That's a little unusual.

[63] That normally doesn't go.

[64] But his broad was good.

[65] He had a good 10 -7 broad jump, something like that.

[66] Then normally, it matches.

[67] If you're running 4 -4s, you should be high 30s.

[68] Yeah, Pierce goes 4 -4 -7, 31 -inch vert, but yeah, 10 -foot -3 broad.

[69] Maybe he doesn't know how to vertical.

[70] Okay, yeah.

[71] Maybe he actually reached as high as he actually could.

[72] Maybe there's a technique thing.

[73] You've got to see, I've never seen this before, Rhett.

[74] Down there, I watched them measure the arms.

[75] Oh, gosh, Rinky.

[76] I mean, they've got two guys there and it's, and it is literally a tug of war trying to get their arms up.

[77] It is a battle over there.

[78] For folks at home.

[79] Right.

[80] So they, they, they set the bar for the vertical at the tip of your finger.

[81] Right.

[82] And so like, they're trying to get you to reach as high as possible to set the baseline for your vert.

[83] And so if you can kind of find a way to keep that arm a little bit lower, you're going to have a little bit on a, on a, on like a stool or a ladder pulling upward.

[84] on the arm the other guy's holding on to the player trying to keep his arm and i just thought man maybe pierce just actually reached as high as he could right maybe that's just what it was uh okay so i thought josh farmer that had a real nice workout from the interior group he was kind of a spelt 305 uh you know ran a little over five on the 40 -yard dash but overall i thought his workout was really good looked really fluid um biggest hands of the defensive line group omar norman lot nearly 11 inches 10 and three quarters big there we had uh our our buddy from georgia tech um biggers 85 inch wingspan A little over 85 inches on the wingspan.

[85] You knew Dion Walker was going to be the tallest at nearly 6 '8", 6 '7 1⁄2", about.

[86] Aeneas Peebles was the shortest at just over six feet, but ran really well.

[87] Jay Toyia, who is just an eater of double teams at UCLA, was the heaviest at 342 pounds.

[88] The lightest was Steve Linton at just 242.

[89] Mentioned Pierce running the fast 40.

[90] And then as we get to some of the other, let's get to some of the other D tackles, close the book on that group.

[91] I thought the duo from Ohio State looked pretty good.

[92] Yes.

[93] talking about Tyleek and Ty, both kind of played next to each other.

[94] Tyleek in particular moved really well around the figure eight drill.

[95] Yeah, no, it's funny because we talk about all these drills.

[96] The one thing that I do love to see is when they run the figure eight drill and being able to pick up the towel, place it back down.

[97] So much of what we will talk about is always the numbers, but a lot of it is what you see with your eyes.

[98] Can a guy bend and burst?

[99] Can he turn the corner?

[100] Can he do those little things?

[101] We saw Chuck Smith down there running that drill, trying to get them going, trying to get it feisty.

[102] Those things matter because when you see guys come around the corner, I just have these vivid images of, even though he's not a D tackle, but Von Miller.

[103] The way he's able to dip and get up under people.

[104] You see guys execute those maneuvers.

[105] A lot of times, before they do it in games, they've got to be able to do it in practice.

[106] This allows us to see if they're going to be able to execute it.

[107] I'm going to shout out Alfred Collins, who I just had concerns about.

[108] Because when I watched him run the hoop, I'm glad you reminded me of the hoop drill.

[109] He looked great on that.

[110] Really had good bend, great body control.

[111] He's one of the ones who actually put the towel back down, picks the towel up.

[112] They want you to put it down, pick it up.

[113] They want you to set it down because they want to see.

[114] Once again, the bend, the body control, there's a lot of guys who just throw it down because they're in a race.

[115] But, you know, there's a method to that madness of running around those circles.

[116] And some of it is they want the control.

[117] And Alfred Collins, I think, was one of the better ones in terms of bending.

[118] And he has that in him.

[119] You know, I mean, let me let me big up on a little bit here.

[120] I have concerns that I want to vet.

[121] Yeah.

[122] But I also know that this guy can play.

[123] He can bend.

[124] He can move.

[125] He's played at lighter weights.

[126] I just have some questions.

[127] But that's one of the drills that I like a lot.

[128] And, you know, Tyleek was bigger than I thought he was going to be, but he moved really well.

[129] That's important to see.

[130] The smaller guys really moved really well.

[131] If you're going to be smaller, you better move well.

[132] And, you know, it's interesting.

[133] to see the space eaters that are in this draft elijah simmons you mentioned the ucla kid yeah there's a few different guys who their job is just to to make it to where it's not comfortable for you to run between the guards another guy we'll talk about when we get to the linebacker group like you know jay toy is a big reason why carson swessinger was rolling through the line of scrimmage a bunch in that in for that ucla defense um okay Those are some of the defensive tack.

[134] Any other names that stood out that we're missing on your front?

[135] I thought Tyrion Ingram Dawkins.

[136] Oh, yeah.

[137] You talked about him on our combine today show.

[138] Yeah, he's somebody that I really think has great tape.

[139] You see him out here.

[140] Now, he doesn't look like the rest of those guys.

[141] No, he doesn't.

[142] He looks more like an edge.

[143] An edge.

[144] Yeah, he looks like a big base edge.

[145] And he could be that because he's that kind of athlete.

[146] Or he could play in an odd front, the 3 -4 end, because he's tough.

[147] He's got good.

[148] Needs to get a little stronger, but he's got good technique.

[149] So he's just one of those guys, body type wise, Bucky.

[150] We're talking about the 340 guys, 338 guys.

[151] Well, sometimes you're going to have a 280.

[152] guy and and you got to figure out how you're going to use it probably the freakiest of the defensive tackles he went four eight six on the 40 yard dash one six nine on the 10 36 on the vert and then over 10 4 10 4 on the bra that's those pretty good numbers really good numbers and that's why if you can play them inside you'd love to if you can get them a little bigger you'd love to have them inside with that kind of because at 480 and a 486 It's not as great when you put them out on the edge.

[153] Right.

[154] Inside, it's like, this guy can roll.

[155] Yeah.

[156] Okay, let's move to the edge rushers.

[157] And that's where we saw the freaks.

[158] Shamar Stewart and James Pierce, I think, kind of stole it.

[159] And let's throw Landon Jackson in there as well.

[160] Stole the show.

[161] Stewart and Landon Jackson.

[162] both jumping 40 plus inches in the vert yeah so let's start with let's start with stewart first because i think stewart is the one that we knew he was going to be the most debated uh guy in meeting rooms after he did the workout we can talk about one thing like he didn't have production he has all these tools but when those tools are documented when we have these times four five nine forty six five 267 pounds 40 inch vertical 10 11 broad jump 10 11 broad is real when it comes to being a freak athlete and a lot of people talk about yeah but the production doesn't matter the physical tools but then you look up the pressure rate and how the pressure pressures are there and some guys will say like the pressures matter more than the sacks and i heard this it was floating around they were like remember trayvon walker was the overall pick trait c not production had tools didn't have a lot of production that went with it and we've seen them have two seasons with double digit stats for the Jacksonville Jaguars.

[163] I'm not saying that it can be taught, but I am saying when you see Trayvon Walker have that success as a scout, you can start building a case that, Hey, maybe the next level he can develop and get better.

[164] I'll tell you what, you know, I have the same questions, but luckily I was down there with Greg Cosell from NFL films.

[165] He had walked up.

[166] We were talking about.

[167] Shamar Stewart versus Nick Skorton.

[168] Skorton's a more talented, is a more skilled player.

[169] He's got better tape this year, but the other guys...

[170] And Chuck Smith was walking off, as you guys said.

[171] One of the great...

[172] He's a guy who was teaching guys rush before he was hired by an NFL team.

[173] He's with the Ravens, as you guys mentioned.

[174] And Greg asked him the very question, can you teach a guy how to rush?

[175] And Chuck Smith's answer was so...

[176] He said, yes, I started beginning.

[177] And he said, if I've got the Stuart, we're talking Stuart specifically.

[178] He said, I'm going to start him in a stance.

[179] This is how I want you to stand.

[180] And this is how I want you to get off your first step.

[181] He said, then I'm going to add the second step.

[182] And we're going to do that 40 times if we need to.

[183] Then I'm going to get to the third step.

[184] We're going to go speed to power.

[185] I'm going to teach him how to tee his foot.

[186] and how to turn.

[187] And I'm going to make him do it until he does it.

[188] And it's like a golf swing.

[189] It was just muscle memory stuff.

[190] And he said, you do it over and over and over.

[191] Now, instincts, of course, play a part.

[192] You may not have instincts.

[193] Yeah.

[194] When the bullets are flying and...

[195] Can you remember how to sequence the moves?

[196] Can you put it together?

[197] Exactly.

[198] You know, you don't know that it's going to hit.

[199] But he's a big believer in you can teach guys how to rush.

[200] And this guy did it in the NFL.

[201] He's taught others to do it.

[202] He's doing it.

[203] He's doing it now.

[204] With guys who did not have production at a college level.

[205] And this was the argument with OA is the guy that I gave a higher projection to just because of traits.

[206] It's the Ballard, you know, is my mentor.

[207] And so I just said, OK, I believe in it.

[208] I believe in that.

[209] I posted I was down there for Shamar Stewart's broad jump.

[210] I said, oh, let me get a let me get a video of this.

[211] I videoed it.

[212] That sucker went 10 feet, 11 inches.

[213] It's long.

[214] I posted it.

[215] I posted it on my Twitter account.

[216] Immediately, the fights began in my comment section about no production.

[217] This guy's a freak.

[218] No production.

[219] 4 .5.

[220] Trayvon Walker.

[221] He's going to have to deal with that the entire process.

[222] Now, the interesting thing is like when you compare his numbers and his measurables to Miles Garrett.

[223] Very favorable.

[224] Like he's actually even got some better testing numbers than Miles did.

[225] But when you go all the way down on our NFL research comparisons, the sack numbers in college are incredibly, you know.

[226] contrasted right i think it was like 30 sacks for miles in college and what four and a half for shamar so yeah it's just something that you know obviously the jaguars got real comfortable with it with trayvon walker and it paid off but you know you got to have the development process in there too you gotta have development process the last thing i'll say about using trayvon walker as kind of the muse he's also playing the complimentary role, not the lead role.

[227] So when we think about Shamar Stewart, if you're going to do that, hopefully you have an established DPR in place, designated pass rush in place to allow him to be the compliment.

[228] He is Robin, not Batman.

[229] Trayvon also would rattle your pads like he was a tough, physical, heavy handed run defender.

[230] Shamar's not that right now.

[231] So there's some other good piece.

[232] There's some other aggression pieces that were in place for Trayvon.

[233] So a couple other things that kind of stick out to me about saying I think we thought Shamar Stewart might be close to 280 pounds.

[234] Instead, he ends up at 267.

[235] He's listed it.

[236] 290 he played up there yeah so you know you you also wonder at this time of year are we shedding weight to run fast for the combine and then we're putting like ty robinson from nebraska played at over 300 pounds he was 288 and ran a really good time absolutely so you have to be able to um you got to be able to figure out what that is but i'll say this is funny because uh steven really was on julian edelman's podcast talking about things to talk about bill belichick making him get way below the weight that he played at when it was at LSU.

[237] So that weight matters.

[238] And when you go to a team, they're going to have a prescribed weight for you.

[239] So they may look at these numbers and say, oh, yeah, we like how fast you ran at the combine.

[240] This needs to be the weight that you play at because we may get better production and better juice and impact from you.

[241] So that bod pod is, they throw you in the bod pod, the DEXA scan, and then they get the lean mass numbers and they determine where your weight should be.

[242] Some players, they'll find a guy with 240 pounds of lean mass or 238 pounds.

[243] Nazaleen Mass, who's 318, they're like, that's bad weight.

[244] That's a lot of bad weight.

[245] That could end up being joint problems.

[246] But let's also remember Shamar Stewart.

[247] Yeah, he did play in the 280s, I believe.

[248] But maybe he's better at 272.

[249] Maybe.

[250] Maybe he's better at 275.

[251] Maybe he finishes better.

[252] 265, 290, he could probably play.

[253] Anywhere in between.

[254] He probably can, yeah.

[255] All right.

[256] Lance, give us the definitive word here on what James Pierce's times do for you.

[257] Cause look, we're going to learn more about these prospects.

[258] Teams are learning more about a player like Pierce who has some stuff in his background that teams are going to get, have to get comfortable with off the field.

[259] But like, you know, out here you see why he's so well thought of.

[260] It's not even really his time, right?

[261] I mean, it's fact he ran in a hoodie and ran that fast.

[262] And when he's running and they got it in slow motion and then he's just bouncing in the background.

[263] No, honestly, what blew me away with him was how smooth he was.

[264] I thought he was very linear a little bit, you know, didn't look as, as, as bendy and fluid on tape.

[265] Yeah.

[266] And then he's out here and he looks good.

[267] Like he's bending and moving.

[268] And so Bucky, I'm having to deal with the fact that, okay, I knew he would be explosive.

[269] I knew he would run fast.

[270] All that.

[271] But in the drills, he looks like he's got more of that bend and move.

[272] See, I felt like he was bendy and moving like that when I watched him on tape.

[273] Because his finesse ability to beat, he was beating people one -on -one without getting touched.

[274] Yeah, that's right.

[275] He has a basketball crossover move that enables him to get there.

[276] He glides.

[277] Yeah, and when I watched him run the 4 -4 -7, and then I saw him run around the bags, I didn't tweet out, but I wrote in my notes, ooh, it's a lot of conflict.

[278] There's a lot of people dealing with conflicted consciousness because what you have to do is you got to figure out like people talk about reports on the character and those things.

[279] But when you see the talent, everyone can put a value on a pass rush.

[280] Yeah.

[281] And what that does is it changes because look, I've gone through these mock drafts and I've seen people exclude them from the mock drafts, even though we know he's one of the more complete pass rushes in the draft.

[282] It changes.

[283] the conversation.

[284] And I could hear when I met with some buddies after the event, I could hear guys trying to walk back.

[285] I heard the trip beep, beep, beep.

[286] People walking back some of those opinions on whether they could touch him.

[287] It makes interesting fodder in those meetings.

[288] It's the Jalen Carter stuff, right?

[289] Where some teams don't have the room to take on Jalen Carter.

[290] They just say, we can't.

[291] Jalen's got too much stuff in his background.

[292] We're not sure.

[293] So the best player in the draft falls to, was it 9 or 10, right?

[294] 10.

[295] It's 10.

[296] Philadelphia moves up and says, oh, we got a room.

[297] We've got Georgia Bulldogs in here.

[298] We've got a room full of leaders.

[299] We've got his big man that played next to him, Davis.

[300] Jordan Davis.

[301] Jordan Davis next to him.

[302] We're good over here.

[303] And look what they do because they know they have the room that can handle him.

[304] And as far as I know, he hasn't been a problem.

[305] He just won a Super Bowl.

[306] All I know is my latest mock draft, 32, James Pierce was going to the Philadelphia Eagles because I can't imagine.

[307] Any scenario where he gets past him.

[308] He gets past him and just gives him an opportunity to continue to add.

[309] And it's not just that.

[310] Ravens, Chiefs, there's teams with strong locker rooms who need rush.

[311] I mean, he's not getting past him.

[312] All right, those are the D -line guys.

[313] We're going to step aside here briefly when we come back.

[314] We'll get to the lead block with the LBs, the linebackers who had some serious athleticism out on display at Lucas Oil Stadium.

[315] That's next here on Move the Sticks.

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[320] Now, the interesting part of this is some of these linebackers like the guy who ended up winning the Butkus Award this year, Jalen Walker.

[321] might project better for many teams as an edge rusher and might be one of the top three edge rushers in this draft.

[322] So we're going to talk about that here a little bit.

[323] Maybe the same thing with Jihad Campbell, who came into Alabama as an edge rusher, but had Will Anderson and Dallas Turner sitting there, they move him off the ball, he can still rush.

[324] That does feel like one of the big conversation pieces with these off -ball linebackers today is what kind of playmaker can you be rushing the passer to?

[325] Yeah, so I had a conversation with a couple defensive coaches who talked about about the league is morphing to a league that is almost like college football, where you're going to run variations of a 3 -3 -5 defense, where you have 3D linemen, you have a Mike linebacker that's a true Mike, and then you're going to have two guys playing alongside of that Mike that are hybrid pass rushers, off -the -ball linebackers.

[326] So when you speak to Jihad Campbell, Jalen Walker, those guys who you do see consistently play up.

[327] play down, attack from various points at the line of scrimmage.

[328] That is going to be a part of the plan, and that is how we're going to have to create another category when we talk about these top fives and positions where those second -level hybrids have to come into play.

[329] Yeah, you know, there's more and more categories being created.

[330] It used to be easy, and it's in every sport, right?

[331] I mean, every sport has gone through change.

[332] Baseball's got massive change where your best hitters are hitting.

[333] one or two, you know, in basketball, we don't have positions anymore.

[334] So you're a wing, you know, you're a wing, you're a stretch for your lead guard.

[335] You're a, you're there's, there's fewer static definitions.

[336] It's much more fluid.

[337] Now we have the nickel position, which used to be a guy who was smaller and could run around with other smaller slots.

[338] That's, that's more and more because it came from college.

[339] That's more and more your run stopper.

[340] That guy is a big, like he's an athletic safety and you just think, well, he didn't have the speed to match up.

[341] Well, they're not having, they're not, it's almost more important for them in three wide receiver sets to make sure they don't get bullied out there.

[342] They want to run supporter by the line of scrimmage so they can sit in their base is a five DB base, but they're not giving up the run defense.

[343] And so there's just so many changes coming into new one that you mentioned, but linebacker on first and second pass rusher on third or blitzer.

[344] on first and second, it's changing the game and changing how teams, but then pass, I mean, but then Rhett, the pass catching tied in is forcing NFL teams to look at the safety position.

[345] Yeah.

[346] By the way, another name that kind of speaks to this, this, this kind of.

[347] you know, position, uh, yeah, kind of, you know, variation here with the linebackers, you know, was Femi Oladejo who started as a linebacker, moved down to edge, actually competed really well.

[348] It was actually one of the, one of the more fun, energetic, fun guys to watch throughout.

[349] He was, I don't know if anybody's enjoyed the combine drills more than Femi Oladejo yesterday.

[350] He did a nice job at the edge spot now, which is where he'll, he'll call home in the league.

[351] Buck, how about a couple of names from the linebacker group that stood out to you?

[352] Okay.

[353] So this is a guy that I'm surprised, but I love this tape.

[354] I just didn't think he would run this fast.

[355] Danny Stutz.

[356] from Oklahoma.

[357] 4 -5 -2.

[358] And when you watch him play, he is a tackling machine.

[359] All over the place at Oklahoma, you see the nastiness, you see the run defense, you see him play as a downhill player.

[360] Tackling machine with range.

[361] The coverage is going to be limited, but the fact that he ran that certainly helps him.

[362] He's one of the guys that stood out to me as a true Mike linebacker.

[363] And he did.

[364] He made himself money.

[365] He helped himself.

[366] I thought he was like a third, fourth.

[367] I think he's in the top 100 now as a linebacker.

[368] Demetrius Knight from South Carolina stood out to me. And it was really because I wanted him to break 4 '6 as a 40.

[369] He did.

[370] Boom.

[371] He's locked in.

[372] Might even be, you know, could be linebacker one as an inside linebacker.

[373] He's big.

[374] He's tough.

[375] He's physical.

[376] He's a good athlete, as we saw, you know, an above average athlete.

[377] And then he has just elite football character.

[378] leadership in the locker room so he's a guy that really cemented who he was teams who like him which I think there's going to be a lot of teams that like him he really just cemented himself and here's an example I'm going to bring this guy up.

[379] No one's going to be talking about it.

[380] He played two games this year and got hurt, and it's Colin Oliver from Oklahoma State, 240 pounds.

[381] He is 6 '1 and 3 quarters, right?

[382] He's more of an edge, right?

[383] Well, they have him at linebacker, so he may be one of these.

[384] He's played both.

[385] He's played both.

[386] Because Nick Martin was here from Oklahoma State too, right?

[387] Right, right.

[388] Nick Martin's here.

[389] So Colin may be doing both.

[390] They may want to give him a look at both.

[391] He ran a 4 .56.

[392] He jumped 39.

[393] nine inches and a 10 six.

[394] Now he only played two games this year on tape.

[395] You only have two games to look at.

[396] And in 23, his tape is a little, um, it's raw.

[397] Like he still needs development and he only got two games.

[398] So he still needs development, but you put numbers up like this and okay, we can work with this.

[399] This is a hundred percent what we can work with.

[400] You go back and look at the tape and you start looking from a more positive lens possibly.

[401] Sure.

[402] Yeah.

[403] So those are some good names there from the linebacker group.

[404] Carson Schlesinger, as I mentioned, is one.

[405] He didn't do a whole lot here, but he had the second best vertical.

[406] Did he get hurt or anything?

[407] I don't know.

[408] You know, he was really high, really high.

[409] Supposed to go to the senior bowl, too.

[410] But but, you know, wasn't able to make that happen.

[411] So, yeah, I don't know the full story on that one, but it's one of those things we'll watch.

[412] Obviously, Jalen Walker didn't do anything here.

[413] Michael Williams didn't do anything.

[414] One more guy.

[415] Kane Medrano from UCLA.

[416] There's a hybrid dude.

[417] So he was 206 in the spring.

[418] He came in 222 yesterday and ran like a 446.

[419] Yeah.

[420] Jumped high, looked good in the field.

[421] Fastest time in the linebackers.

[422] So I went from undrafted on him to drafted.

[423] Love that.

[424] Look at the value of the combine right there.

[425] He ran fast.

[426] He had a good weight.

[427] I already liked him as a player.

[428] I just thought he's too small.

[429] And if he gains weight, he's going to lose his speed.

[430] Well, no and no. He can gain weight and he didn't lose his speed.

[431] And he's got great ball skills.

[432] He came in as a wide receiver.

[433] We can go play teams.

[434] We forgot to mention, I forgot to mention him doing the defensive tackle guy.

[435] The hybrid, J .J. Pegues.

[436] I forgot to mention, everyone's going crazy.

[437] Like, oh, we've never seen a two -way player.

[438] Traverson, I'm like, hold on.

[439] Big guy, Ole Miss. Triambol stud, right?

[440] Triambol stud.

[441] Big guy, seven offensive touchdowns.

[442] And when I think about what the Baltimore Ravens have done with Ricard and some of those other big guys.

[443] I forgot to mention him.

[444] Had him in my thing.

[445] 26 carries this year.

[446] Yeah.

[447] He had 26 carries.

[448] I watched them all.

[449] They're just, as soon as they got, instead of tush push, they just said, bring him in.

[450] We're direct snap.

[451] Yeah.

[452] And we're just running forward with Pegues.

[453] There's only, I think there's only one team I saw stop him.

[454] Only one time he got stopped.

[455] Well, look, you know, on Friday, and we'll talk about this on Saturday, but the DBs and the tight ends are out here, but we've already had.

[456] The first catches from a tight end.

[457] Thanks to JJ slash fullback slash whatever you want to call them.

[458] So yeah, a lot of fun here on day one of the combine.

[459] We're getting ready for day two with the DBs and the linebackers.

[460] We'll bring you that recap coming up on Saturday's episode.

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[468] those DBs and tight ends.