The Big Suey: We're Not In Kansas (City) Anymore

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[24] Why are you listening to this show?

[25] The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Levitard podcast.

[26] I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that.

[27] In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging.

[28] I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there.

[29] That hasn't happened to you guys?

[30] I've done it.

[31] And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face, and the habitual liar.

[32] This is very exciting.

[33] Are you guys excited right now?

[34] Because it is not merely that Stugats has landed in Kansas City to officially signal that football has started.

[35] It's the Duke, the internationally ranked fourth, fourth insider in any continent, any country.

[36] any galaxy fourth top five and he's not five then that's correct uh the duke billy gill god bless football he dropped a dukey has arrived has arrived in kansas city where are you guys what is that statue of tell me all the history you're standing in front of right there we are in front of an innovative pioneer a man of vision as the trophy says this is the Lamar Hunt statue, Dan Lebitard.

[37] And as you can see here, we're also in front of the not one, two, three, but four Lombardi trophies that the Kansas City Chiefs have won.

[38] We are at Arrowhead Stadium and today football is back.

[39] It is back.

[40] Dan, did you realize the Lombardi trophies were that big?

[41] It's insane, right?

[42] I am startled by the...

[43] I always have over their head so easily.

[44] Yes, I am startled by the size of all of those.

[45] That's exactly how Stugats would do it if he won four Super Bowl trophies.

[46] Stugats, I was thrilled.

[47] I was legitimately made happy when I walked in here today and on all the television screens, you were sitting between both of the GOLICs on the Draft King's network and then the commentary started of how much better Mike Golick Sr. looks like he's aged since leaving ESPN than you have.

[48] Oh, no question about it.

[49] And then I saw Trey Wingo and he is aged better than I have as well.

[50] 15 years older, but Dan, this is like heaven for me. Arrowhead Stadium.

[51] Football season is starting.

[52] I am sandwiched between the Golics.

[53] I see Trey Wingo and I get a text from Adam Schaefter that simply reads, happy football.

[54] Oh, my God.

[55] Oh, the porta -potties are rolling in, guys, it's about to start.

[56] By the way, guys, there are two St. Louis's.

[57] A couple of St. Louis's cutting it up because we are currently, I mean, two Kansases.

[58] I'm sorry, I'm tired.

[59] We got it two in the morning.

[60] We are in Kansas City, Missouri right now.

[61] We're not actually in Kansas.

[62] If we walk like 50 feet to my left right now, we'll be in Kansas.

[63] But right now, Missouri.

[64] Did you think we were in St. Louis?

[65] I did.

[66] Do it, Stugats.

[67] Walk to Kansas.

[68] He thought.

[69] Yeah, cross the line.

[70] All right, hold on.

[71] Let's walk to Kansas.

[72] All right.

[73] Go ahead.

[74] So we're going to walk to Kansas.

[75] Danny, follow us.

[76] Dan, can I tell you something?

[77] The people here are crazy.

[78] So we got here at local time about 7 a .m. and there's already outside of the parking lot people waiting to get in but this is the thing that they do because where we had to drive in was gate five and there's like a line of already 50 cars waiting the game doesn't start for another 12 hours and they're tailgating tents they've set up outside the stadium while they're waiting in line and they're custom made and say gate five crew so they just come 12 hours I guess before every game before the parking lot opens also not that you've asked but over there so like these I don't know if you can see these These are like VIP tailgating things, I guess, for like companies, corporations or whatever.

[79] And there was a lot of talk, a lot of hubbub in the offseason about the fact that there was going to be a Hallmark Christmas movie with the Chiefs.

[80] I can confirm that there is a Hallmark Christmas VIP setup here at the tailgate.

[81] No one's here yet, but they will be set up.

[82] There's a stage over there.

[83] I'm assuming there will be a performance of sorts.

[84] No confirmation as to who will be performing.

[85] There is speculation Taylor Swift will be in the building today.

[86] Will she be performing at that little stage over there?

[87] Who knows?

[88] Not I. Are you guys in Kansas yet?

[89] I don't know.

[90] We are getting close.

[91] Feels like a lot more than 50 feet.

[92] I don't think that they've got any accurate information.

[93] Stugats, I don't think that they're playing the Bengals, which is what you said yesterday.

[94] I don't think there are two St. Louis's.

[95] I don't think you're in St. Louis.

[96] And I don't think that your steps away from Kansas.

[97] There's the GOLICs over there, if you were wondering.

[98] Look at this Good Morning America type setup here.

[99] Look at this.

[100] So we are just 10 feet away, 10 steps away from being in Kansas.

[101] We are.

[102] We should have brought a sign.

[103] Oh, let us wave.

[104] How are we going to get on?

[105] All right, Billy, we're getting close to Kansas.

[106] Hey, stay with me. Yeah.

[107] All right.

[108] That's Mike E .A. over there.

[109] All right.

[110] Billy, one more step, and we're in Kansas.

[111] Here it is.

[112] That's not true.

[113] This is it.

[114] That's not.

[115] You're just a step.

[116] Did we take the step?

[117] So now?

[118] No, I'm telling you, I've been told by the people who work here that this is, this is Kansas.

[119] You're in Kansas.

[120] You're not in Kansas.

[121] You're not in Kansas.

[122] You're not in Kansas.

[123] What do you mean?

[124] We're not in Kansas anymore.

[125] That's not the way any of this works.

[126] It had to be said.

[127] Had to be said.

[128] I. Or Ouse, if you listen to Mystery.

[129] There's a big Chiefs helmet over there.

[130] I mean, this is amazing.

[131] Yeah, you want to see the helmet?

[132] Do you know the helmets?

[133] You know the size of the pot.

[134] This is really a helmet over here.

[135] This thing.

[136] Go to the helmet.

[137] It's on wheels.

[138] Should we push it?

[139] Yeah, go ahead.

[140] Yeah, go to the helmet.

[141] See if you could get dragged off by security.

[142] Let's take the helmet back to Missouri.

[143] Also, in case I know what was wondering.

[144] In case anyone was wondering what kind of rental car I was waiting for a two in the morning as Stugats left me at the airport and went to the hotel in an Uber.

[145] It's a 15 passenger van that I got because that's all that was left.

[146] Wait a minute.

[147] Billy, what happened?

[148] What man was driving a 15 passenger van at 2 in the morning?

[149] Billy, what happened at 2 o 'clock in the morning?

[150] Our flight arrived a little late and there's time change.

[151] So we arrived around 2 .1 .1.

[152] 132 a .m. Eastern time.

[153] And Stugats told me that he had checked his bag.

[154] I said, okay, well, I have to go get the rental car that they told me about right before the flight.

[155] So I went to get the rental car.

[156] And then he said, all right, well, I'm just going to take an Uber back because, you know, it doesn't make sense for you to have to drive over there and get me. Guys, pass the mic through the helmet.

[157] It's like an habit in Costella a bit.

[158] He just hit himself in the face with the microphone.

[159] He might be bleeding.

[160] I mean, it's unbelievable that Chris is producing the show from back in Miami.

[161] I have two guys with me that don't realize hand me the mic once I get in the helmet.

[162] There's also some user error there, too, Sue guys.

[163] Let's be honest.

[164] I would have loved you on your own trying to figure that one out.

[165] Billy, can you give us...

[166] What do you guys want to know?

[167] How do we best utilize our time here?

[168] Well, you've done fine so far through the first six minutes where you tell us that the people in the stadium told you could walk to Kansas.

[169] it's just over there and you decided where Kansas is.

[170] If you could break any other news about changing the way that land is distributed throughout the Americas or tell us what's happening in Kansas City at the hotel when you're spending time with Stugats.

[171] Because, Billy, you haven't traveled with Stugats a whole lot.

[172] And him getting up in the morning smoking cigarettes, coffee breath, like the whole thing seems like it would smell bad.

[173] Well, that's another thing, Stugats.

[174] He acted surprise as though he didn't know the arrangement for today and was upset with me because he was on with the Golix starting at 7 a .m. so they're you know car left at 5 .50 in the morning to make sure to get here on time get everything set up and then was upset with me when I was like well yeah like we're trying to get there at 730 I'm not going on with them we have to be there at 930 so we're going to try to get there by 730 and then he he kept hitting me with my plane landed four hours ago to which I responded to myself I was on that same plane this excuse is not going to work with me. Like everyone else you can kind of get to feel bad, but I was on that same flight and then waited an hour for a rental car.

[175] Wait, you guys were on the same flight and he didn't wait for you?

[176] That's what's funny about this.

[177] I thought it was like a different flight and it's like he was supposed to wait.

[178] No, same flight?

[179] This is ridiculous.

[180] I am just finding out now that Billy was on my flight.

[181] Someone was in the front row in first class.

[182] Someone else was in the 19th row.

[183] So, not first class.

[184] Different class situation here.

[185] Stugats, do you feel?

[186] I'm doing my fantasy draft.

[187] That is true.

[188] He arrived at the airport and told me that he couldn't talk to me because he had a fantasy draft as we were boarding the flight, which is insane.

[189] Do you feel any remorse?

[190] Back to you, Dan.

[191] Do you feel any remorse, Stugat, about what you, what do you mean about what?

[192] That Billy needed you to take him back to the hotel because you were on the same flight, and you did know that you were on the same flight, and you didn't want to waste any more time, so you let him pick up a 15 -passenger minivan and drive.

[193] Not a minivan.

[194] That's a band, Dan.

[195] No. No, there's a big boy van.

[196] I'm looking into getting one of these.

[197] There's so much room in there.

[198] Billy is leaving out certain details, okay?

[199] I checked a bag in.

[200] Billy did not.

[201] I had to go to baggage claim, and I was telling Billy in, you know, in an effort to be efficient, hey, you go straight to the rental car, take it to the hotel.

[202] I will pay for an Uber and go to the hotel.

[203] I have to get my bag.

[204] Plus, I had to wake up earlier than Billy did.

[205] So I just wanted to get to a bed and get some sleep.

[206] And so Billy is leaving those details.

[207] Pretended he didn't know he had to get up early and then was like, I don't want to say blaming me, blaming me back to you dan Billy you were skeptical or you made a sound that seemed skeptical about how well Trey Wingo Trey Wingo has aged why did you do that and what has happened this morning?

[208] Trey Wingo has Trey Wingo been defeated by morning radio?

[209] Did he immediately start aging when he started doing morning radio and he went from being beautiful yes listen listen this is just between us he's just been wandering around the parking lot I don't know if you Come here, Danny.

[210] I don't know if you could see him back there.

[211] He's just been wandering around kind of by himself a little bit.

[212] We know this before.

[213] Like a moon.

[214] You see these, these metal pylons here.

[215] Come here, Danny.

[216] So you got, give me that microphone.

[217] Can I stay in the helmet?

[218] No, no. Yeah, sure.

[219] Just stay in my helmet.

[220] Just stay there.

[221] Then I know where you are.

[222] We saw before a situation where Trey, I guess, was bored and like, follow me, Danny.

[223] Danny, turn this way.

[224] Look at me. Zoom out.

[225] All right.

[226] Trey was just doing one of the.

[227] or he was kind of just of the pylon.

[228] The old weave.

[229] And someone compared it to like an Olympic like ski slalom situation that he was doing.

[230] And I feel bad because they've flat out told it like this place is hard to get into and there's levels of security and it's like confusing or whatever.

[231] They've pretty much told us you can't leave because you're not going to be able to get back in.

[232] So we're here through the end of the game and I think that that has hit Trey in a way that it's hit everyone else differently.

[233] And I don't think that he's super thrilled that he has to be here for, I don't know, another 16 hours potentially.

[234] So we're just kind of leaving Trey alone until we need to talk to him.

[235] Danny, can do him again.

[236] We want to see him again.

[237] Where's Sad Trey?

[238] Come on, let me see him.

[239] Where's he at?

[240] Find him again.

[241] He has said that he's too far away.

[242] He's off in the distance over there.

[243] Don't look him in the eyes.

[244] A lovely man. Not just love.

[245] He's going to be on God bless football today.

[246] But symbolically, that lovely man just needs to be wandering around the fringes of football.

[247] Like, wherever football is and wherever football is going to start, Trey Wingo, you can understand how, if you've seen what's happened to us the last three and a half years, you can understand how it is that one gets untethered when they leave ESPN and the center of football and gets thrown to the fringes of football.

[248] Stugats is same.

[249] I need this photo, Stugats.

[250] This isn't the perfect shot.

[251] That's an iconic photo.

[252] Let's get that clam shot of Stugats.

[253] Oh, yes, with the Port -a -Botties in there.

[254] That is iconic right there.

[255] What a beautiful photo.

[256] Bigger and better than the Super Bowl trophies right there.

[257] Those are Stugats' four Super Bowl trophies.

[258] Can I get...

[259] I'll make that my Twitter banner.

[260] That was incredible.

[261] Yes, it was wonderful.

[262] You think we'd planned it.

[263] Can you guys please get up for me on the screen, the before and after photos of Goli?

[264] and Stugats, what they looked like.

[265] That's at ESPN, right there, what we're looking at.

[266] This is them at ESPN.

[267] There's an unhealthy Mike Golick and a very healthy Stugats.

[268] And now?

[269] And now, what do we have?

[270] Very healthy.

[271] As Trey walks into the same.

[272] Oh, Sam, Trey, there's, all right, gentlemen.

[273] That's right, I made them turn the camera around because Trey was.

[274] You want us to check in with him?

[275] Yes, we'll check back in with you.

[276] later.

[277] Thank you guys.

[278] I'm afraid.

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[291] Don Lebertard.

[292] I had Rachel and Emma both home, and I was in a fight with Rachel.

[293] And I said, if you roll your eyes one more time, there's going to be a problem.

[294] A big problem.

[295] And she said, really, what are you going to do?

[296] Stugats.

[297] Oh, God damn.

[298] I mean, that's where she...

[299] I didn't have an answer.

[300] This is the Don Lebatar show with the Stugats.

[301] That was a pretty good photograph.

[302] Got a Stugras there in front of the porta pot.

[303] He's bringing in the new NFL season from Kansas City, or as he likes to call it, St. Louis.

[304] Also, if we Google it, there's got to be more than one St. Louis.

[305] It's a safe bet.

[306] St. Louis, Kansas.

[307] Yeah, but you knew that there are certain moments in time, be it politics, be it athletics, where you see something happen live and you're like, man, that's going to make one hell of a picture.

[308] And as Sugaatz was posing there inside the Kansas City Chief's helmet, with Port -a -Potties, we couldn't have planned.

[309] If we tried to plan that out, it would have gone wrong.

[310] With Port -a -Potties going behind him and a stadium also behind him, that made me so excited for football.

[311] And it's honestly the best Suggis has looked in years.

[312] Well, thank you for mentioning that, because we didn't get to the photo that I wanted to get to of before and after.

[313] And this was good journalism done by Danny and the crew out there because the segment required the punctuation of a haunting and haunted tray window meandering around the parking lot facility, not knowing where to go, burnt out by morning radio, like just totally fried by what ESPN did to him by making him get up early in the morning.

[314] And I say ESPN did to him because anyone that has to work morning radio anywhere will age 10 years faster than any, anyone else.

[315] So here is a photo of Mike Golick at ESPN and Stugat at ESPN.

[316] This is when they were much younger.

[317] Golick, it is funny to see him that way.

[318] He doesn't look like that at all.

[319] He is absolutely sexy Silver Fox.

[320] This gives me hope.

[321] He has lost a lot of weight and women are absolutely looking him up and down because of how good he looks.

[322] He is a very large man. I very rarely feel small around people.

[323] Both Goliks make me feel a little bit small.

[324] Ozympic?

[325] Wow.

[326] No, he actually, I think he owns a bunch of orange theories.

[327] I talked to him about this because it's the first thing that you say when we were at ESPN, he looked a certain way and he's had such an incredible glow up and an age where it's hard to have a glow up.

[328] And I asked him, what's your secret?

[329] Orange theories.

[330] This is buying orange theories.

[331] Buying orange theories and then getting the money from that to have Ozemp.

[332] money.

[333] Can we see this photo now, please, of them now?

[334] Stugats does look a little bit better than he did on my television screen, but Stugats...

[335] It's not good.

[336] Does not look good.

[337] No. He does not.

[338] Believe it or not, that is a flattering photo of Stugats.

[339] Gulloch's got the vainy neck going.

[340] It's just all working for him right now.

[341] Everything is working for him.

[342] He looks like a beanie neck.

[343] I'm thirsty.

[344] Love a vainy neck.

[345] Do I want to bang my Golic senior?

[346] What is it happening?

[347] right now.

[348] This guy's incredible.

[349] He's got me all hot and bothered.

[350] You're feeling tingles in places.

[351] Yeah.

[352] He's a very sexy man. Tony, because people around here don't know how sometimes things hurt, you have not spoken since you got that playoff stat wrong.

[353] That kind of thing, Denno.

[354] What I meant to say that there was five playoff wins for the Cowboys since 1995, but I also had a lot of things written down.

[355] They've had 12 seasons of 9 and 7 or better and 12 seasons of 8 and 8 or worse.

[356] So there's a lot of mediocrity.

[357] Roy, why are you laughing?

[358] Why do you laugh at the failure of others, Roy?

[359] I don't laugh at the failure.

[360] I'm just saying what he just said.

[361] I meant to say five playoff wins since 1995.

[362] But he said zero.

[363] He said zero.

[364] That's right.

[365] Zero, yeah.

[366] Put it on the poll, please, Juju.

[367] Have you ever said five when you actually meant zero?

[368] There's a lot of numbers.

[369] If you see the papers that I'm looking at, there's a lot of numbers.

[370] I'm in a zero just slipped in.

[371] Well, thank you, because speaking of numbers, I've got some for you.

[372] Give me the stat of the day here.

[373] Start of the day, start of the day, and this year, start of the day.

[374] Start of the day, start of the day, start of the day, start of the day.

[375] Start of the day, start of the day, start of the day, start of the day, start of the day, start of the day, start of the day.

[376] I'm going to give you guys two OLI stat of the days.

[377] These are not the stat of the day.

[378] It's building up to the stat of the day.

[379] The bronze medalist for stat of the day, do any of you want to guess how many times Luis Arias has struck out since the All -Star break?

[380] Since the all -star break, contact hitter led the league in hitting two years and bad to average?

[381] Got to be 10 to 15.

[382] Once.

[383] twice.

[384] Two times.

[385] Thank you, Amin, for ruining the game, just like Stu Gotswood.

[386] Two times Luis Arias has struck out since the All -Star break.

[387] Does anyone want to guess in the last 50 games, 50 baseball games, how many the White Sox have won?

[388] The White Sox have won how many games in their last 50?

[389] 52.

[390] I was scrolling through the Draft King's Sportsbook, and I couldn't believe some of these odds for baseball games featuring the White Sox.

[391] They won last night, and they're like, they're like plus 400.

[392] Yeah, I saw the Orioles as like minus 400 in baseball.

[393] 22.

[394] The White Sox have won five of their last 45 if you were not counting last night.

[395] Or zero, depending, right, Tony?

[396] Thank you.

[397] Yes, or zero, correct.

[398] A lot of numbers.

[399] I'm going to show you this page.

[400] It's a lot of zeros on here.

[401] I think Grady Seismore has actually improved their winning percentage, right?

[402] He'd have to, I would suppose.

[403] but they're on pace to be the worst team in the history of our most historic sport.

[404] But neither of those are the stat of the day.

[405] The stat of the day, stolen by Dan Patrick, stolen from Dan Patrick, I should say.

[406] Not by Dan Patrick.

[407] Dan Patrick, a pioneer here on Peacock.

[408] He helped us learn a lot of things, and he taught us stat of the day.

[409] That's something we just simply stole from him.

[410] We said it was a retaliatory measure.

[411] It was not.

[412] We said he had stolen something.

[413] It was not.

[414] We just simply stole it and then made an excuse.

[415] This is from Denny Carter.

[416] Anthony Richardson, the Colts quarterback, since high school, has started 17 games.

[417] Again, but you saw him throw that ball in the pro day and you're like, wait a second.

[418] I'm just telling you the starting quarterback for the Colts since high school has started 17 football games.

[419] That's wild.

[420] That's nuts.

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[456] Don Lebertard.

[457] Pablo leads all of podcasting in reading while smiling.

[458] If you listen to ESPN Daily, he sounds like he's having the time of his life.

[459] Stugats.

[460] Coming up next, I'm going to tell you, the Savannah bananas are changing face.

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[465] Sivine and Benignis.

[466] This is the Dan LeBatar show with the Stugats.

[467] Pablo Torre from Pablo Tori finds out is joining us.

[468] I believe this is the one -year anniversary of Pablo Tori.

[469] The award -winning Pablo Tori finds out.

[470] He follows his curiosities and he wins awards.

[471] He won the Edward R. Murrow Award.

[472] Oh, look at me. I'm a journalist.

[473] Edward R. Muriel.

[474] What is that voice?

[475] Why is the Edward R. Burrow award getting that voice?

[476] What was that about?

[477] Edward R. Murrow sounds like the name of a middle school.

[478] Put it on the poll, please, Juju.

[479] Does Edward R. Murrow sound like the name of a middle school?

[480] Because it does.

[481] He's totally right.

[482] You know, generally, middle schools are named after impressive people.

[483] I don't know why that is a burn.

[484] It's a burn because he got it right.

[485] It doesn't sound like a prestigious journalism award.

[486] It sounds like a middle school.

[487] He is correct on this.

[488] And since you're a prestigious journalism winner, one of the last keepers of journalism, we wanted to bring you on to ask you about this commander's story, because I was more interested in the way that it was broken than anything that was broken by the content or the news.

[489] If you're just joining us and don't know this story, VP of content for the commanders was on a second date.

[490] He was secretly recorded by a reporter, and I didn't think that was allowed.

[491] And he said some things that were stereotypical, but not that controversial, controversial because they were being said by someone who represents the NFL I mean controversial but not that controversial and I was from what I read more bothered by the way the information was gathered than the information so what do you know about how the information was gathered?

[492] Yeah yeah using the experience I've gained in 120th of the time your show has existed Dan I've come to realize that degree of difficulty when it comes to journalism is a lot of the point of journalism.

[493] And a degree of difficulty, of course, is imposed by ethics.

[494] And so James O 'Keefe, who you may remember as the role who used to run a thing called Project Veritas, is the guy whose company published this piece.

[495] And so I've known his work for a long time because he's one of these far -right, totally dishonest grifters, but don't even take my word on that.

[496] Just go look it up.

[497] You got fired by his own organization, lawsuits, et cetera, all that alleged, blah, blah, blah.

[498] Okay.

[499] The point being, the information.

[500] he got, it's hard to dispute that the thoughts he got were candid.

[501] And in a way, the most honest version of what this commander's head of content, VP of content, actually believed.

[502] And for that reason, of course, I am perversely always interested in like, what's that like?

[503] But in terms of like the journalism of it, he's cheating the game, literally.

[504] He is breaking rules, breaking any ethical code, which requires you to disclose that you're not secretly recording somebody under false pretenses.

[505] And so in that way, as, again, a person who cares about to group difficulty in journalism, it's entirely, entirely a problem, even though the information, of course, I clicked on, which is the larger problem, I guess.

[506] Okay, but let's break this down for a second because this feels dirty.

[507] Yes.

[508] And it feels like it'd be illegal in a lot of places.

[509] In some states.

[510] And now we're doing, Well, so now we're doing borderline illegal journalism to shame an NFL VP of content?

[511] Like, I don't even know how high I'd have to climb for me to be okay with what you're saying here, Pablo.

[512] Like, I don't know how powerful the person would have to be for me to be okay with recording this, this way.

[513] How much of a public official, like maybe, maybe if it was just some atrocity being said by a very powerful public.

[514] politician.

[515] I might be willing to stretch some journalism ethics here, but this seems like a reach to go get a commander's VP of content on this.

[516] Yeah, it's, it's first off, just not journalism and any claim to it.

[517] Again, what is journalism a set of practices that impose a group difficulty based on ethics?

[518] It's not that.

[519] He calls it that.

[520] It is not that.

[521] But the conversation you're describing is one, of course, that real large institution, like the New York Times, have debated when it comes to, oh, we got these leaks, you know, we got, we have a source inside who is saying stuff that maybe are disclosing troop movements during a war, right?

[522] Like, do we want to go through with this because of a public good being discovered?

[523] The classic move when it comes to this guy, James O 'Keefe and his whole operation is that these are actually in the main very low stakes, entirely tabloid sort of news stories that in this case actually do sort of comport with what his audience actually would like to believe about the NFL.

[524] What the guy was saying, which is that all of these players and fans are not liberals, they're actually on the side of all of these issues that the media doesn't want you to know they're really on.

[525] That stuff isn't shocking.

[526] And it's also not something that does anything to advance a new understanding of certainly what qualifies public interest.

[527] So yeah, it's a nothing Burger in general that I clicked on because I wanted to see what uncensored people talking is like.

[528] And again, that's why he did it.

[529] I am guilty of the thing that he wanted me to do.

[530] Pablo, I think the real question here is, was this the worst second date of all time?

[531] Man, it's up there, right?

[532] It can't get much worse.

[533] It's got to be up there.

[534] And I'm not saying because he got caught in a sting operation and he might lose his job.

[535] not.

[536] It's because he talked about the NFL on his second date.

[537] Like, hey, maybe you ask some questions, buddy.

[538] Maybe you get to know her a little bit.

[539] I mean, the critique that I would give the VP of content who got ensnared in this entire thing is that he was so excited for someone to ask him these questions.

[540] And it was like, and I think one of the setups was, and it was a bad, so even if this is just like an unethical spy operation, Um, it was also not a good one.

[541] If you look at, if you look at what the questions were, the questions were like, hey, could you go through your take on commanders fans again?

[542] Like that's, that's, that's really what you're talking about on this date.

[543] And he was like, absolutely.

[544] I figured someone would eventually ask me for my demographic breakdown of commanders fans on a second date.

[545] I told you guys, that's what happened.

[546] I told you, she absolutely asked.

[547] It's a pretty weak -ass mark for a sting operation too.

[548] Like, if you're going to secretly tape someone.

[549] about the inner workings of the NFL.

[550] Yeah, go after the dude that runs the commander's Twitter account.

[551] How do you catch them on Hinge, by the way?

[552] They just look at the draw.

[553] They just keep swiping until we get to them.

[554] That's the VP of content.

[555] Get them.

[556] Yeah, what can we do with this?

[557] I just got matched with the VP of content for the commanders.

[558] Do you think he puts VP of Content commanders on his Hinge profile?

[559] Pablo is so right here when he says, the VP of content for the commanders had to be thinking to himself at some point before all of this was published man I'm really connecting with her she's asking me all the right questions I've always wanted to be asked by somebody who's super fascinated by my identity as someone who's an insider in the NFL like he thought that date was going really well he really misread the situation oh yeah he's like I'm killing it right now She is fascinated.

[560] Is this love?

[561] Is this what love feels like?

[562] Talking about the demographic breakdown of the fan base of the NFL team whose Twitter account I now operate, having followed a person who sort of saw this team through a demographic scandal.

[563] See, now I'm thinking about him on the drive home, calling up his good buddy Derek or whatever.

[564] Hey, Derek, oh, how'd the date go?

[565] Oh, man, it was incredible.

[566] She asked me questions.

[567] I've never been asked these kinds of questions.

[568] I opened up before.

[569] I opened up, Derek.

[570] I told her everything.

[571] I gave her my vulnerable side.

[572] I gave it all up to her.

[573] I think there's going to be a third date and then he opens his computer.

[574] I don't want to get ahead of myself.

[575] But keep some dates open in March of next year.

[576] She's the one.

[577] I've never been able to talk football like this on a second date.

[578] You know, Derek, Derek, I've always thought that love is when the soul finds its counterpoint in another person's demographic breakdown of a Twitter account's following.

[579] And now I know better.

[580] And Derek is the one who told him, see, I told you, man, got to put yourself out there.

[581] Get on the ass.

[582] Take some chances.

[583] Take some chances.

[584] The other guy, the friend who encouraged him to go on the date is the person I want to meet.

[585] Had it go.

[586] What's the worst it could happen?

[587] She's just going to say no, and then you just go back in there, man. You've got to take it out back.

[588] You can't hit a home run if you don't swing.

[589] When Amin says might be fired, I want to let's do some punitive damages here and figure out this part because Peter Thiel bankrupted Gawker because he objected to being outed and then he funded Hulk Hogan's entire campaign because he was hell bent on the revenge, the successful revenge of that's not ethical what you just did to me reporting that outing me when I was not prepared for that.

[590] I don't know whether tapings, someone and costing them their job is uh rises to that level but what is going to happen here in terms of damages to everybody involved like can you fire somebody for something that was done this unethically i mean i feel like we have contemplated such questions in our own industry before people have been taped people who did not know they were being taped people who said some things that they did not know they were being taped saying um the answer is is because this is a business of reaction and not a business of principle which is to say this is you know working for a company in america absolutely i can see him being fired and i can i can i can see very little plausible defense being offered because at a certain point this is a public relations problem and maybe you handle it more delicately but i believe that um as much as i would like to not give you know the scalp to a person who is, again, doing stuff as a total troll, unethical dirtbag.

[591] I can see this working out for him in very specific ways.

[592] I think the bigger problem is, for this, the VP of content, is can you continue to do your job?

[593] Let's forget about, like, the PR or whatever.

[594] Can you walk into the practice facility and have, like, a social media campaign where we ask the players, what's your favorite ice cream?

[595] And they're like, you're the MFer who thinks I'm a dumb ass because I got hitting the head too many times.

[596] The question I want to ask the two of you, as we talk this story out on the air, okay?

[597] The shamed VP of content here, if everything Pablo is saying is so, is a victim here.

[598] Yes.

[599] Hard stop.

[600] Yes.

[601] Yes.

[602] Hard stop.

[603] Correct.

[604] And that's not how it's going to be treated.

[605] And it's going to keep escalating.

[606] And the context of this is not going to matter.

[607] the commanders aren't going to, they're not going to say that.

[608] The commanders are not going to come out and say he's a victim.

[609] And wouldn't you want your company to do that if you were a victim?

[610] Yeah.

[611] No, I mean, look, the person that this VP of content needs to speak on his behalf to make this a story that Americans could wrap their minds around is Derek.

[612] Pablo, what's on Pablo Tori finds out?

[613] What is it that you're shilling here as part of your one?

[614] year anniversary.

[615] We are celebrating 20 years.

[616] We dwarf you with Stugats around the Kansas City port -a -potties in terms of history, but you are fastly gaining on us in terms of listeners because your podcast is very popular.

[617] That's right.

[618] The feeling you have on your heels, Dan, is the nipping, is the nipping that PTFO is doing.

[619] And today I got a guest who held me to account for something that I said while substitute hosting your show, Dan, over the summer, which is that I believe the NFL has a jargon fetish.

[620] I believe that lots of people have no idea what's being said on 90 % of NFL media at this point, and they're nodding along because things like, you know, whatever, Spider 2, Why Banana are repeated, like incantations over and over again.

[621] And so I got Nate Tice, former quarterback, former NFL scout, host of a really good podcast himself, to explain to me what the fuck everybody is saying and how it got to be this way.

[622] Because it didn't used to be this way.

[623] Now it is entirely this way.

[624] And I feel like a jock bullying nerds, despite being a nerd bullied by jocks.

[625] Pablo Tori finds out, there are not many podcasts anywhere, non -athlet podcasts.

[626] He might be the only one that's like really broken out in this genre over the last five years, non -athlet podcasts.

[627] I urge you to find it, wherever it is you get your podcast.

[628] Thank you, Pablo, and happy anniversary.

[629] Thank you, Dan, and you too.

[630] audience, I should tell you, okay, because we screwed this up yesterday, a normal, a lot of different ways, and I heard from corporate on this.

[631] I love getting those calls on the way to work.

[632] The uniforms?

[633] They're in?

[634] Not the uniforms.

[635] Oh, damn it.

[636] On our second day on Peacock, like this is a big deal, right?

[637] It's a big deal for a lot of different reasons.

[638] We're on in more places than we've ever been, and we're on at more times than we've ever been, and it's ubiquitous.

[639] Our show right now has arrived so that you don't have to, basically, at any time, video or audio, there are times in the schedule where you can't get us, but you can find us in a lot of places, more places than ever.

[640] And so I'm going to give you the rundown of all of those places and times right now.

[641] Here we go.

[642] Eubiquitous.

[643] That's right.

[644] I got in trouble on the way in.

[645] I love leaving ESPN founding my own company and then getting in trouble on the way in because I didn't read the schedule right that's a lot of fun can i get the country of origin so uh we are on the draft king's network monday to friday from 11 to 2 eastern and you can catch us on samsung tv plus the roku channel and vizio watch free plus and many more i don't know what any of those things you say roku the way i imagine christopher walkin would i told you it's like a dish that i would order in a korean restaurant that's right To see all the places you can watch the show on Draft Kings Network, go to draftkingsnetwork .com.

[646] Now, you can also find the show on Peacock and the NBC Sports Fast Channel Monday to Friday from 12 to 3 p .m. Eastern and on YouTube and on Max.

[647] And also, for podcasts, we're on Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music, and you can get a Sirius XM Channel 85.

[648] We're back on the radio, also from 12 to 3 Eastern.

[649] Simple.

[650] Simpler than how we did it yesterday.

[651] Not yet simple because I don't know what some of those things are.

[652] We are on in some places.

[653] No one does, Dan.

[654] Is that true?

[655] You don't know Roku?

[656] Roku City.

[657] They have a Major League Baseball game every week that I occasionally gamble on.

[658] Roku.

[659] Roku.

[660] Roku.

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[662] Roku.

[663] Now imagine you saying that, but in a Hessell, you know, Oh, Dan, we would be so fresh.

[664] And then him in a fighter pilot off it.

[665] Yep.

[666] And I have my name on it right here.

[667] Like a Dragon Ball Z character.

[668] Make it sound like Sudoku.

[669] Ubiquitous.

[670] Roku.

[671] We're on Roku as well.

[672] But I was supposed to do it because Dan Patrick is a big lead -in.

[673] It's a giant lead -in.

[674] The NBC in general, their channels have more than 4 million people.

[675] And so I fouled all of this up yesterday in a way that disrespected Peacock, disrespected Dan Patrick, disrespected our audience.

[676] Just a question.

[677] The message from corporate was about us being confusing, not about us making cock jokes for the entire person.

[678] That is correct.

[679] I was surprised that the call.

[680] That part was surprising to me that that's how that went.

[681] I thought I was going to get the call for the second thing.

[682] The moment, because Stugatz was strategic about this.

[683] He didn't make the joke until the moment.

[684] moment he was off the air with Dan Patrick.

[685] And then all of a sudden, we were saying to everybody, we're on cock minus.

[686] Yeah.

[687] Another one that I actually found out by perusing, Pluto TV is like a big deal.

[688] NBC Sports has a fast channel on Pluto TV, so their show is also now on Pluto.

[689] Nice.

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