106 - Courage Shoulders

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Hey, this is exciting.

[2] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

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[4] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[5] Who killed Saz?

[6] And were they really after Charles?

[7] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[8] This season, murder hits close to home.

[9] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[10] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

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[12] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

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[16] Hello.

[17] Hi.

[18] And welcome to my favorite murder.

[19] the podcast that's asking everyone a question that it refuses to answer it refuses to answer or acknowledge right it just it makes you ask the question it walks away quickly yeah and then it's like quit asking me so many questions mom like you open this conversation dad with a question what's happening and then you respond with a question of like what's wrong with me mm -hmm oh you put it back on me yeah oh is that what you do yeah and just at the beginning of the conversation right I didn't even, I was here eating cereal.

[20] Yeah, this, I was loudly eating sugar cornpox.

[21] Right.

[22] Compulsively, what are you, what are you, what do you come into my life with chocolate milk as with chocolate milk in it?

[23] Have you done that before?

[24] No, but someone should.

[25] That sounds insane.

[26] It does.

[27] It's your new, um, McNugatini.

[28] But I used to put spoonfuls of sugar on like, checks.

[29] Sugar cereal?

[30] No, not like on non -sugar cereal.

[31] Yes.

[32] Which is disgusting.

[33] And it's the same.

[34] Oh, I know, like Rice Krispies with like four teaspoons of sugar.

[35] And then the bottom is just like this sludgy sugar crunchy milk mess.

[36] And then suddenly cartoons are more beautiful.

[37] Everything's more beautiful.

[38] Everything's so much more beautiful.

[39] Except your teeth hurt.

[40] Yeah, they eventually fall out.

[41] What's going on?

[42] Hi, how are you?

[43] I'm really good.

[44] I'm doing really good.

[45] I feel high energy.

[46] I'm eating a lot of juice.

[47] sing just chewing on ginseng can i kick it off with this i'm going against all uh former models of this show okay skippers pay attention uh i'm going to do a hometown murder right now of interest okay it was pulled by stephen for stephen about stephen great let's do it not in my backyard not with my stephen okay the subject line is b tk taught my husband how to tie knots oh my god oh no one of those B, that one of those letters is a knot.

[48] You know the B part?

[49] Bind?

[50] Mm -hmm.

[51] Yeah.

[52] He was kind of good at it.

[53] Let's hear about it.

[54] I mean, if anyone's going to teach you.

[55] Hi, ladies.

[56] Quick hometown murder for you.

[57] So my husband's scoutmaster was the BTK killer.

[58] And then she writes Dennis Radar.

[59] Now, I don't mean to make fun of you because I'm sure you're a true murderer.

[60] And maybe you're, what do you call?

[61] Autorrect.

[62] made it say Radar, but to read it as Dennis Radar makes me laugh.

[63] It sounds like he's like one of the bosses and the Jetsons or something.

[64] To me, it sounds like a new wave, like a new wave name.

[65] Like you're in a band and you change her last name to sound cool and new wavey.

[66] Have you seen that really cute bass player, Dennis Radar?

[67] Gross.

[68] Sorry.

[69] Anyway, I'll say Raider for now.

[70] So he grew up only a few houses away from the Radar family outside Wichita, Kansas.

[71] Also attending school with his children.

[72] A raider would take my husband scout troop overnight to on overnight camping trips where he would often leave at some point with an excuse to get supplies, et cetera.

[73] What?

[74] Yeah, you'd just have to nip off for supplies in the dead of night.

[75] In hindsight, he was using the camping trips as an alibi for, quote, scouting future murder missions.

[76] No pun intended, nor.

[77] And possible murders.

[78] At the time, the murders were happening, it was thought the BTK was focusing on single mother households.

[79] Well, I didn't know that.

[80] And I did be decay, which was what my husband's family was.

[81] So this was particularly disconcerting when the very loud and barky family dog went missing from the backyard a couple weeks before someone broke into their home, leaving behind a pair of binoculars and stealing nothing.

[82] No. Happy to report that his sisters and mother are all alive and healthy to this day.

[83] Can't say the name for the dog, which was never found.

[84] Oh, that's, oh, can't say the same for the dog.

[85] Or the name.

[86] Or the, I thought she was trying to say, like, do not speak of him.

[87] What if his name was Radar?

[88] This whole, he was named after Radar O 'Reilly from MASH.

[89] Okay, but this was also interesting, even though it's a second paragraph.

[90] One of the last super random things about BTK, his house went up for auction a couple years ago with the proceeds going to his family.

[91] The woman who bought the house was an ex -stripper and strip club owner.

[92] She did an amazing thing.

[93] She had the fucking house torn down.

[94] She said that she wanted Raiders' wife to have the money to start a new life.

[95] To this day, it's an empty, vacant lot in the middle of the block.

[96] Please feel free to see the attached before and after picks that her husband shot.

[97] When we first started dating, he had this picture of a house framed.

[98] And I was always like, why does he have this artsy picture of this ugly -ass house in his cool Brooklyn apartment?

[99] After I found out what it was, he put a ring on it.

[100] That fucking thing went into storage.

[101] That's crazy.

[102] Yeah.

[103] Ghost, go stripper lady, go.

[104] Go lady.

[105] I have one, too, if we're doing, it's not a hometown.

[106] What you got?

[107] A story.

[108] It's called my grandfather hunted the zodiac killer.

[109] Interested?

[110] Intrigued?

[111] Okay.

[112] Hello, and this is all one word.

[113] Karen, Georgia, Stephen, Vince, Elvis, Dottie, Mimi, Karen, I forgot your dog's name.

[114] I'm so sorry, but hello, doggies.

[115] Okay, so basically, she heard this stuff, so she wanted to let us know.

[116] my grandfather is David Toshi.

[117] Dave Tashi, yes.

[118] Dave Tashi.

[119] Yeah.

[120] So funny, I was on the way home from our trip, our Nashville show on the plane.

[121] I was watching Zodiac.

[122] Mm -hmm.

[123] Which is so good and fucking, okay, so here's what happens.

[124] He was in the SPFD, S -FPD for years and an inspector on the Zodiac case.

[125] Growing up, he would tell my sisters and I stories about working the case, the crime scenes he was called to, and most importantly, all the squirrels in Arthur Lee Allen's freezer.

[126] He always talked about the squirrels.

[127] Over the years, reporters got our relatives' phone numbers and addresses, and we either call or show up to our houses wanting to talk to my grandpa about the case.

[128] On the rare occasion, he was contacted directly.

[129] He would get pretty pissed and never gave him an interview.

[130] This also included numerous attempts from Graysmith.

[131] Who's that?

[132] Robert Graysmith is the guy that wrote the Zodiac book the movie's based on, and he's that illustrator that Jake Gyllenhaal plays.

[133] You are so smart.

[134] Wow.

[135] Okay.

[136] This one is my favorite movie.

[137] Understandable.

[138] I'd be pretty fucking tired of talking about it, too, but when the movie started shooting, he was happy to beat Invisor on set and got a huge kick out of hanging out with Mark Ruffalo.

[139] I would, too.

[140] I mean, Jesus.

[141] Come on.

[142] Who wanted to perfect my grandpa's mannerisms and such.

[143] Ruffalo totally nailed it.

[144] And this is so funny because I was like, what's this fucking animal cracker bullshit?

[145] It looks so stupid.

[146] I'm like, why do they have to add this?

[147] But then she says, right down to the way he spoke, the animal crackers in the glove box and taking the tomatoes off of his sandwich.

[148] Gramps was pretty jazz to be given the recognition.

[149] And the rest of us, as his family, happy he was portrayed in a positive light rather than the inspector who couldn't crack the case for the sake of a high grossing blockbuster.

[150] So she goes on to say that her grandpa is 68.

[151] He is not in the best of health anymore.

[152] And this was written a while ago.

[153] So she had just spent, this was written at Christmas.

[154] She had just spent Christmas with him.

[155] Every time I visit, I never know if it will be the last time I see him, but he's a badass and keeps hanging on.

[156] So here's a couple pictures.

[157] And then she wrote us another letter just the other day that he had passed away.

[158] yeah so uh fucking rip and big ups to grandpa for being a badass motherfucker well he has been portrayed in films twice now which is like how much of a badass do you have to be yeah be just you're in several films in hollywood people play ruffalo played you on those fucking bowties love that movie i've i'm i'm uncomfortable with the fact that i find him darling and cute and wonderful and have a crush on him but he looks like my uncle and it could creeps me out.

[159] Remember my uncle who canned to our show?

[160] Yes.

[161] It used to be like a fucking, you know, what's his name?

[162] The detective.

[163] Colombo looking detective who was in like an episode of Colombo too.

[164] I was going to say Inspector Clouseau because I didn't know what we were doing.

[165] Inspector Gadget.

[166] I didn't realize it was a lookalike thing.

[167] I was, my friend Laura used to live up behind the Gelson's off Franklin.

[168] And she had like a barbecue one afternoon.

[169] And there was a guy there that I was like, God, that guy's so cute.

[170] and it was after that first big movie um the one he was in with the fucking people oh no you can count on me that's right you can count on me we didn't remember because we've never said that to anyone and they absolutely can't they will not and they know it and if they think they should i'll ask some questions it's so foreign it's such a foreign phrase it is um oh one other thing I wanted to say, I started watching this new show on Netflix.

[171] That is so fucking good.

[172] It's called Wormwood.

[173] Oh, yeah.

[174] Do you know about it?

[175] Yeah.

[176] Okay, so it's about, it's Arrow Morris's.

[177] It's like a, okay, it's a docu drama.

[178] So it's like, have you watched it?

[179] I watched the first two or three.

[180] No, no, no, like part of the first episode.

[181] Okay.

[182] It's so fucking good.

[183] It's really, it's about this fucking CIA employee who in 1915, jumped out of a window of a New York City hotel, ruled it a suicide.

[184] Turns out he was being tested on from MK Ultra with LSD, jumped out the window.

[185] And it's the movie is about, or the whatever movie is about his son trying to fucking figure out what happened.

[186] It's incredible.

[187] And like all the actors are so good in it.

[188] Fucking Peter Sarsgaard, so good.

[189] And, you know how much we love Sars guards.

[190] We love all the Sards guards.

[191] We do.

[192] Tim Blake Nelson, that great actor.

[193] Bob Ballab.

[194] Bob Balavan.

[195] It's fucking really, it's really good.

[196] That's really awesome.

[197] I could just what it was.

[198] Maybe we talked about this in person, but there's so John Ronson, my new favorite author, person, audio book narrator.

[199] He has a story and I think it's, uh, it's in the men who stare at goats because there's the M .K. Alters in there about he, he went and met that guy and learned all about that story.

[200] And within that story, after the dad, died like a couple before the mom died him and his brother went on a bike trip across the united states as like a i think a 12 and a 14 year old they rode their bikes literally across the united states and it was in the paper and stuff and it's super crazy like and when you hear it in the audio book it's it's like this can't be real yeah and they did it's so like exactly what you're like i knew the government was like this and did this shit i knew it yeah and now we get and know it you know so nuts oh i've watched have you started watching the alienist yeah i love it it's good it's very true you don't love it it's just like i read the book and loved it and have an idea in my head of what it looks like and what it's like and but it does seem very true to the book i get that though you you make a movie in your head yeah when you especially when you love a book yeah um i'm like i'm enjoying it so far i was tripping out last night on the uh how brilliant the uh opening credits are because they basically Basically, they're running the building of New York backwards.

[201] I love that.

[202] It's such a cool, it's the coolest way to set that tone.

[203] And then you're just back so far that like her working at the police department is a huge deal in and of itself.

[204] I mean, the hugest deal is the shoulders on her dresses that are like past the top of her head.

[205] Like fucking shoulder pads.

[206] No, this is like shoulder towers.

[207] That's where all her weapons are.

[208] That's where her jar of arsenic is.

[209] where she keeps her courage that's right when she can tap into it it's like a um like with a hats that you have that has beer on it with a straw and you need it's when you need a sip of beer it's a courage shoulder it's courage shoulders yeah how does she take in the courage um i don't know through her nipples listen and seen there you do it Karen you know i'm all about vintage shopping absolutely and when you say vintage you mean when you physically drive to a store and actually purchase something with cash.

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[226] Goodbye.

[227] Hey, this is exciting.

[228] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[229] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster detectives.

[230] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[231] Who killed Saz?

[232] And were they really after Charles?

[233] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[234] This season, murder hits close to home.

[235] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[236] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[237] Amid the glit the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[238] Who knows what'll happen once the cameras start to roll?

[239] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfanakis, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, Devine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[240] Only murders in the building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[241] Goodbye.

[242] Should we, who's first this week?

[243] Who went first at the last episode?

[244] Last, oh, like, no. The episode people have heard.

[245] Yes.

[246] I'm going to leave that one to Steve.

[247] Karen went first last time.

[248] Yeah, Karen did Krista Worthington last.

[249] Okay.

[250] All right, so I'm first.

[251] This is the story of Teresa, the murder of Teresa Catherine Foster.

[252] And I got a ton of my information from a really great article from 2011.

[253] 2011.

[254] I don't even need to say the whole thing.

[255] From an magazine called, or an online magazine called Westward.

[256] And it's called The Case of the Kidnapped Coed.

[257] Alan Pendergast wrote it.

[258] it.

[259] Here we go.

[260] 10 .30 a .m. on Thursday, November 11th.

[261] We're in 1948.

[262] All right.

[263] Here we are.

[264] 12 miles south of Boulder, Colorado.

[265] Two rabbit hunters come across the body of a young woman face down, half buried in the snow beside a frozen stream.

[266] She's dead, obviously.

[267] She appeared to have been dumped there from the bridge that was 15 feet above along Highway 93.

[268] Her jacket was tightly wound around her neck and her sweater was pulled up.

[269] Her bra was still on, but below the waist, she only had on her.

[270] loafers in Bobby Sox still.

[271] She had been, quote, battered almost beyond recognition, as one reporter put it.

[272] And to the rabbit hunters, it was obvious who she was because the newspapers had been in a crazy frenzy with the missing co -ed who had disappeared two nights earlier.

[273] So Teresa Catherine Foster was an 18 -year -old engineering student at the University of Colorado and had been walking home around 10 p .m. The night she disappeared from a rosary meeting on the Boulder campus.

[274] She had been heading downtown well at Main Street towards the house of a professor at the college and his family where she lived in exchange for chores.

[275] So immediately, like, the professor did it, right?

[276] That's what, but it's not true.

[277] Don't go down that path.

[278] Don't worry about him.

[279] He didn't do it.

[280] Put that card aside in this game of clue.

[281] Yes.

[282] Not necessary.

[283] So the next morning, the family was like, she's not here.

[284] This is very much not like her.

[285] Where could she be?

[286] She's not the type to stay out all night.

[287] So they call the police.

[288] So Teresa is known as a dependable girl.

[289] She's super self -sufficient.

[290] She was the ninth of 11 kids who'd grown up on a farm outside Greenlee, Colorado.

[291] She milk cows.

[292] She hunted.

[293] She's an honor student.

[294] She didn't swear or smoke.

[295] She was religious and had a high school sweetheart, even though she was kind of boy shy.

[296] So she was a really typical girl, not the kind of person to run away with someone or to get into any trouble.

[297] So the day after her disappearance, 20 miles where her body was found the next day.

[298] so her body I've been found yet a local farmer had found a bloody crime scene at the local lover's lane so he goes to the local lover's lane he says that there's so much blood in a 10 foot area along the road that he thought someone had been had slaughtered one of his calves initially but there were bits of hair and scalp tissue a broken grip of a 45 automatic and a ring and white scarf identified as belonging to Teresa and it showed that she had put up a fight But after her body was found the next day, her autopsy showed she had been raped, bludgeoned, and strangled.

[299] And it was the first homicide and 72 -year history of the university.

[300] Whoa.

[301] And the first murder in Boulder in nine years.

[302] Knowing the story would be big, the editors of the Denver Post freaked the fuck out, and they start their own massive investigation on their own in a way that you can only get away with in like 1948.

[303] And they ultimately put the case.

[304] and the eventual trial of the suspect at risk by the means of, uh, what's it called?

[305] Newspapering this story.

[306] Investigating.

[307] Investigating and, um, not advertising.

[308] What's the word?

[309] Promoting?

[310] Yeah, telling the story, I would say, you know.

[311] Telling?

[312] Yes, telling.

[313] Like what I'm doing.

[314] Got it.

[315] So this man named Palmer Hoyt is the editor and publisher of the post, the Denver Post.

[316] He's a former writer, a pulp detective story.

[317] So he's fucking big on this murder mystery story.

[318] He launches a campaign to catch Teresa's killer.

[319] So at the time, it was normal for newspapers to hire, quote, experts to help cover murder trials.

[320] They'd get an astrologer to prepare the killer's horoscope.

[321] Isn't that insane?

[322] 48?

[323] Mm -hmm.

[324] God, that seems late to be doing stuff like that.

[325] Maybe they were doing in the 20s, but then it was like kind of a still -a -normal thing.

[326] God, that's, but I just would never.

[327] Well, that's the newspaper, though.

[328] Yeah.

[329] I was thinking, like, more police, but.

[330] No, no, no, no, this is all the press.

[331] Still, though.

[332] Yeah.

[333] It's a little nutty.

[334] And it's so, like, grasping at straws.

[335] Like, we need stories.

[336] We need to sell papers.

[337] Let's get anything we can into this papers.

[338] It needs to happen.

[339] What does the moon say about this killer?

[340] Exactly.

[341] What does it tell about them?

[342] So they'd get a psychoanalysis to hypothesize the mind of the killer based on what little information they had.

[343] So for barely 48 hours, 40 hours after Teresa's body was found, this guy, Palmer Hoyt hired a man named Earl Stanley Garvey.

[344] to come in from New York and he had been offered the amount of money most reporters made in a year to come in because this guy Gardner was a self -taught attorney didn't graduate school.

[345] I guess you could do that at the time.

[346] Yeah.

[347] No, no, yeah, I got all those books.

[348] I'm good.

[349] I did for sure.

[350] Yeah, I'm an attorney.

[351] I didn't take any test or graduate.

[352] Can you see my vest?

[353] Yeah.

[354] It's, I'm an attorney.

[355] See my briefcase right here?

[356] Look.

[357] It's all in there.

[358] Look and listen to me as an attorney.

[359] But he wears tap.

[360] shoes.

[361] But he wears tap shoes.

[362] He had become famous.

[363] After that, he had become a famous writer of pulp novels, create and eventually created Perry Mason.

[364] Holy shit.

[365] So he's the dude who created Perry Mason.

[366] Was a self -taught lawyer.

[367] Wow.

[368] They bring him in.

[369] This guy, Palmer Hoy, the editor, the, okay, so they bring him in.

[370] He at the time made him rich and the most widely read living author on the planet.

[371] So this guy's a big fucking deal and people are going to buy the newspaper that this guy is writing for reporting to they're turning their newspaper into a pulp novel around this story yeah it's almost like if you were like kim kardashian's going to be on my fucking episode of whatever the fuck i'm in my zine so you're going to buy the zine that what did that happen it would be a great way to represent kim it's all new yeah just more kim and text more kim it's not visual with kim this time it's more about her poetry the black and white copies i make kinkos are going to turn out great Kim loves collages.

[372] Kim loves collages.

[373] And she's there for all of your fanship.

[374] There you go.

[375] Let's keep doing this.

[376] So he said, I am trying to present to the readers of the Denver Post, the situation as it might appear to the eyes of Perry Mason, the fictional lawyer detective who has solved so many cases in my book.

[377] So he's fucking there to solve crimes and sell books.

[378] Whatever.

[379] So he had insane access to the investigation and was treated like a VIP.

[380] by the like police and detectives and investigators too who were like smitten by him as well the DA the Boulder Sheriff as well as detectives gave him access to their files and all the information on the case they just like let him come to the station and read everything he wanted he followed a bunch of leads that didn't pan out he basically sucked at detecting not in a book that he had written the story about it's different when you're detecting by making up it up as it goes along right or like when you write what happened and then you solve what happened it's different so he followed a blood trail that turned out to be animal blood speculated that the killer cut his hands based on blood stains and um the and called for the public to report any weirdos or suspicious dudes gathered many uh and so people started calling in a reporting random people the the post and and all these like leads and shit were written about in the paper so every time some weirdly would happen it would be written about um The post, the Denver Post created and detailed and made up scenarios of the possibilities of Teresa's murder.

[381] So basically wrote fiction of what happened and published it as fact.

[382] They took liberties with the story, fictionalized it, and distorted the evidence.

[383] Of course, the fucking term of the day was sex fiend.

[384] Like, that was just on every cover of every paper.

[385] One of the lines was, what dark and brutal desires lie within the hidden places of some human beings?

[386] What thoughts of perverted pleasures and gnaw at the hearts?

[387] of some human creatures.

[388] What terrible and godless passions lie within the bosom of some we pass, perhaps, on the street.

[389] It's like, calm down, dude.

[390] Well, you just said the same thing three times.

[391] Like, take it elsewhere if you've got some theories here.

[392] Right, and it's like, well, you just keep asking me the same fucking question over and over.

[393] Totally.

[394] So the Denver police fielded an average of 200 calls a day about said fucking weirdos that they were like, turn it in.

[395] Well, sure.

[396] Yeah.

[397] They're everywhere.

[398] I mean, they're everywhere.

[399] Weirdos.

[400] Ultimately, though, the, The main suspect was found when his wife turned him in.

[401] Twelve days into the hunt for Teresa's killer, Eleanor Walker, a woman named Eleanor Walker, tells the Boulder detectives about her husband, 31 -year -old Joe Sam Walker from El Dorado Springs.

[402] She said he had come home late the night that Teresa disappeared with his clothes bloody and a wound on the top of his head.

[403] He had burned his bloody clothes and washed out and repainted the trunk of his car.

[404] Oh, totally normal.

[405] you know as like you do like that to do list for sunday yeah everyone knows it's like always up right at the top get your teeth clean every six months repaint your fucking trunk of inside trunk of your car every three months yeah three months just really get in there and new colors every time yeah it's fun yeah maybe wallpaper hey you know something fun so da da da da da da wound burned repainted he also told his wife he disposed of a 45 pistol and a parka and one a park so the fucking Denver Post also put a thing in that was like, you know, call about these weirdos and any clues you have.

[406] Let the police know.

[407] If you can't get a hold of the police, call us.

[408] Oh.

[409] So all these people were calling them.

[410] And like, I have this clue, this clue and this clue.

[411] This woman had found, like, hidden away and like pipe a storm drain, some bloody clothing, including a parka and like a rag and all these things.

[412] The Denver Post had taken the bloody parka and told her the other stuff wasn't important.

[413] So she had thrown it away.

[414] Good.

[415] Yes.

[416] So definitely listen to the fucking.

[417] newspapers if they tell you that evidence isn't important i mean it's funny because you i this is a lot like that book i'm right that i was reading it's same but mine is in the tens but it's the exact same thing we're like once a murder happened then people just came into town that were like i'm an independent um private detective and they could be anybody and they could all access all areas of anything right everything it's very recently that they were like applied logic to process yeah it's like how about nobody stands around here and no one gets all the information yeah we keep it to ourselves.

[418] So he had gotten rid of a pistol and a parker's similar to one that being found.

[419] Joe was arrested that night.

[420] So this dude, Joe Walker's story of the night of the murder was that he had gone to a drive -in and had a couple beers and then he had picked up a couple on his way home.

[421] He had picked up a couple who were in their 20s hitchhiking on the same street Teresa disappeared from.

[422] A couple.

[423] They had asked to be taken to a lover's lane.

[424] The man that he had picked up of the couple drink from a pint of whiskey.

[425] And the woman argued with him about needing to get home.

[426] And let's see.

[427] So they get to the lover's lane.

[428] And the man, who Joe described as short and stocky in his mid -20s, said he wanted to drive the car from there on for whatever reason.

[429] Walker was like, no, you can't drive my car.

[430] They got into an argument.

[431] And Joe says they began, like, fighting, punching each other outside the car.

[432] And then the man found Joe's 45 in the glove compartment and used it to close.

[433] Joe in the head and Joe goes unconscious at this point.

[434] Uh -huh.

[435] When he comes to, the man is gone and the woman is dead, half -nude body hanging out of the car trunk, he finds her like that.

[436] Yeah.

[437] He's panicked, end quote, scared stiff.

[438] So he puts her body in the trunk and drives south and disposes of her body off the bridge and tosses her clothes after her.

[439] Then he goes home to try to wash away all the blood.

[440] So he says someone else killed her and he disposed of her body because he's, you know, do is scared yeah he just had to do what he had to do yeah yeah don't tell authorities no definitely don't bring people to the place where you can prove you didn't do it right also your wife isn't on your side she's gonna tell on you so be a little more chill about that you haven't been that cool to her for like 25 years she's not stoked on you yeah yeah so the cops thought this is a bullshit story obviously they poked all these holes in it and his wife but his wife ends up believing he's innocent, even though the papers go wild and tarnish Joe and are like, this is the sex fiend.

[441] Oh, and also is, didn't she start it?

[442] Yeah.

[443] And then he was convinced that she did the wrong thing.

[444] Yeah.

[445] Oh, wow.

[446] Yeah.

[447] The Denver Post soon gets all this, finds all this disturbing info about Joe.

[448] In 1947, he was arrested in Oregon on a complaint that he'd made, quote, lewd advances toward two girls while driving a delivery truck.

[449] but the post headline was Oregon police disclosed girls 11 and 12 were molested so like all this crazy shit and then so he goes to trial in 1949 and the local jury is picked and of course they've been reading these headlines constantly for fucking months there was over 230 articles in less than six months written about this wow that's a lot so there's hair blood fiber evidence that ties him to the scene But they never tested the semen that was found, which is really weird, even though the defense pressed for tests because they said that it would prove that the client wasn't the one who raped her.

[450] It was the hitchhiker.

[451] Right.

[452] So I don't know why they never tested it.

[453] It's really weird.

[454] A waitress at the diner, the drive -in where he had been said that she had served Joe and a young woman shortly after 10 the evening she disappeared.

[455] And the jury comes back two days later with the verdict of guilty of second -degree murder, and he sentenced to 80.

[456] years of life.

[457] So they think he was taking her out on a date?

[458] Not a date as much as like, hey, I'll give you right home.

[459] Would you just come get?

[460] Because she was having a coffee.

[461] Like, well, you come, will you come get a coffee with me?

[462] Oh.

[463] And I'll take you home.

[464] But at the drive -in movie theater?

[465] It's a drive -in, like, restaurant.

[466] Oh, restaurant.

[467] You know what I mean?

[468] Sorry, I immediately went to movie theater.

[469] Yeah.

[470] But he had had beer and she had coffee.

[471] And it's like, why are they, did they know each other?

[472] Why are they hanging out?

[473] I mean, because I always go to like the fugitive style, what if what he's saying is true.

[474] I know.

[475] It doesn't sound like it.

[476] Like the idea that he would be, going so far as to repaint your trunk?

[477] I don't know.

[478] No. Disposing of a body speaks of guilt.

[479] Yes.

[480] Right?

[481] I think for sure.

[482] Yeah.

[483] So less than a month later after he's put away, six months after Teresa's murder, two students from the same school are attacked next to Boulder Creek while on on a blind date.

[484] The assailant hit the woman in the head with some kind of metal pipe, and she was able to get away, but her date, Roy Spore, had his leg in a cast and couldn't run.

[485] His body is recovered from the creek the next day.

[486] His skulls fractured in several places.

[487] His murder has never been found, either by coincidence or not, just as Teresa was, he's an engineering student.

[488] Whoa.

[489] So two engineering students in six months are attacked and bludgeon to death in the same area.

[490] In the same way.

[491] In the same way in the same area.

[492] So there is a possibility that it's a coincidence.

[493] fuck or that it's not that it's the same murder that it's a serial killer but that he's innocent yeah I mean the engineering student thing could be a coincidence I'd have to see some number yeah how many engineer students are there divided by a million by X X X a million yep and then go ahead and round that off to three so yeah there's three engineering students are fucking crazy two of them had been killed oh my god that's borderline a majority if I were that third one i'd get the fuck out of town i would get on a train by in disguise and i'd get out of town or i see the killer oh fuck i have to be the only engineering student so sorry that was him calling that was the bell that when you get it completely right that's what that was when the theories go and go and go and we finally hit on what happened karen's phone rings god texts me and says yep here you go you're doing god's work you're doing my work he said to say hi georgia Hey, bro.

[494] And that actually your people are the ones that are right.

[495] Oh, good.

[496] Yeah.

[497] She said.

[498] That's right.

[499] Okay.

[500] That's what she said.

[501] That's what God, she said.

[502] Okay.

[503] Blah, blah, blah.

[504] After 20 years after Joe gets locked up, the Colorado Supreme Court overturned his conviction due to his claims of pretrial publicity.

[505] So right before, or like pretty quickly before this, Sam Shepard, remember him?

[506] He's a doctor who maybe killed his wife, maybe didn't.

[507] Yeah.

[508] Um, in Ohio, uh, he, his conviction had been overturned because of the media involvement and how much bullshit was talked.

[509] So even if he did it or not, it doesn't matter.

[510] He didn't get a fair trial.

[511] So based on that, the studio Walker is like, I had it fucking worse.

[512] And they're like, yeah, you did.

[513] And they, uh, overturned his conviction.

[514] Wow.

[515] Yeah.

[516] So they concluded that the post, the Denver post had injected itself into the investigation, investigatory process by distorting evidence, presenting speculation as fact, and dubious detective worked as infallible.

[517] And they described events that never happened and generally whipped up publicity, quote, so extensive, so slanted and prejudicial, so calculated to inflame, and so all perversive as to make a fair trial for Walker impossible.

[518] So whether or not he fucking did it, they let him go.

[519] Yeah.

[520] He maintained his innocence until 1982 when he hanged himself in a Texas motel room.

[521] Shit.

[522] So we don't know who can.

[523] killed her and we don't know if it's him.

[524] I'm going to guess it is, but, you know.

[525] But still, there's the, the door is open.

[526] I just, and I'm sorry to correct you, but this one people are going to talk about.

[527] Huh?

[528] All perversive is what you said, but it's all pervasive.

[529] And perversive, I think, is like a different, more of a fetish thing.

[530] The all, all the dirty things you can think.

[531] I'm going to say it's perversive, though.

[532] I want to say I meant You did say that.

[533] I want to say it is correct that I meant that.

[534] Well, you can do that if you want to.

[535] What was the words I used last time that ended up being...

[536] I mean, dude.

[537] What was it?

[538] It was proclensity, but it was proclivity and propensity.

[539] Yeah, which turns out...

[540] Are the same.

[541] Are the same.

[542] And so proclensity, basically, I was mashing up words.

[543] In, yeah, in retrospect, yeah.

[544] You can totally say that.

[545] No, no, no, I was doing it on purpose then.

[546] Right.

[547] Okay, so this, my murder this week is, from one of those packs of true crime trading cards that Stephen gave us.

[548] Well, you gave them to us two Christmases ago.

[549] Is that right?

[550] Yeah.

[551] I can't believe it's been that long.

[552] I know.

[553] Oh, my God.

[554] So I think I might have gone through all of mine.

[555] Like, I think if you gave us four or five packs each.

[556] I didn't open all.

[557] I'm really weird about that because it's just such a special thing when it's in a package.

[558] But, I mean, are you going to open them?

[559] I don't know.

[560] I'm scared.

[561] Like, I want to save one unopened.

[562] Okay, but open the other four.

[563] I'm scared.

[564] But there's good stuff in there.

[565] I know, I know I need to.

[566] Okay, I'll do it.

[567] I mean, I get what you mean, but then, well, I'll just tell you this and you can decide for yourself.

[568] Should I do a video of the, you know how they do like unpacking videos?

[569] Yes.

[570] Should I do that with them?

[571] 100%.

[572] Okay, I'll do it.

[573] Perfect.

[574] Please log on to Georgia at YouTube .net for the new unpacking videos.

[575] Put it on our Instagram.

[576] My favorite murder Instagram.

[577] Make it an Instagram story.

[578] No, I hate those.

[579] Oh, shoot.

[580] Because they go, okay, why am I talking?

[581] They disappear?

[582] In 24 hours, right?

[583] What's that about?

[584] It's stupid.

[585] It's for sex -pang?

[586] It's throwaway culture.

[587] Everything around us is throwaway.

[588] Don't get me started.

[589] Okay.

[590] Well, here's what I will tell you.

[591] So I have gone through all of mine.

[592] Great.

[593] Pulled out a lot of the mafias because sorry, it's just not my jam.

[594] Yeah.

[595] Got a lot of great ones.

[596] But this one was from a. brand new pack that sorry Stephen is not the pack you gave us but um a listener that we met in Las Vegas gave us um and I pulled this out on the plane um I think probably flying home or flying a Phoenix and I laughed out loud like a real creep at this um the specific one this specific one oh my God and then was overjoyed and then I was like I'm finally one ahead like I know what I want to do yeah just never happens I always feel like I'm scrambling to think of thing so I'm like here it is my whatever I'm excited it's a little short though um because it is a foreign crime and it's a one -off so most of the articles that I found that were the same it was yeah people regurgitating the same article to the point where there was one that was just somebody that had taken the end of the story and put it at the top of the paragraph and then basically told it backwards it was like but word for word it was the same and it's like they hit translate and it's a bad translation.

[597] You know, make it your own.

[598] You put something in there that's for you.

[599] But anyway, so thank you for the listener who gave us, I'm sorry, I don't have your name on this piece of paper.

[600] That's really uncool.

[601] Here's what I will say, though.

[602] Those true crime trading cards were written by Valerie Jones and Peggy Collier, and the art is drawn by Paul Lee, and it was all done in 1992.

[603] Oh, I love this shout -out.

[604] Right?

[605] Yeah.

[606] Because they made all those fucking things.

[607] And I love it's two women.

[608] It's two women, and they took heat for it.

[609] Remember when they came out?

[610] Everyone's like, this is disgusting.

[611] Yeah.

[612] This is this culture of...

[613] Celebrating murderers.

[614] Yeah.

[615] Where it's like, no, it's just a bunch of great interesting information.

[616] Give us 20 years, bro.

[617] It's history, baby.

[618] Listen, baby, bro.

[619] Also, it's out of Forestville, which is a little town north of Petaluma.

[620] Oh.

[621] Probably about half an hour going toward the Russian River that I know very well.

[622] That's your fucking hood.

[623] Let's invite them to our...

[624] if we ever have a Sacramento show.

[625] That's a good idea.

[626] Or a show in Santa Rosa.

[627] you guys can stop sending us your threatening postcards that you've been sending us.

[628] Yeah, that's right.

[629] We have things in the works for you.

[630] You beautiful, demanding listeners.

[631] Threatening has worked.

[632] And will work.

[633] Okay.

[634] Okay, sorry.

[635] No, no, no. So this is the story of the murderer Luigi Longi.

[636] Now, I don't speak Italian.

[637] This isn't a surprise you.

[638] Wait, you don't?

[639] I don't speak Italian.

[640] I'm sorry, what?

[641] So I'm not sure if L -O -N -G -H -I, Longhi, is what I'm thinking.

[642] So Luigi Longi was born in 1954 to Italian parents in Switzerland.

[643] And from a very early age, he had a sexual fetish that got him into a lot of trouble with the law.

[644] Which one?

[645] It's a very interesting and rare one.

[646] At age 10, he was arrested for stealing women's wigs and bottles of shampoo from hair salon in the neighborhood.

[647] That is a new one.

[648] Have you heard anything about this?

[649] No. I mean, that's a new fetish that I haven't heard of.

[650] And from such a young age.

[651] Oh, yeah.

[652] What happened?

[653] I got this just to go into, I was trying to be like, oh, what would that childhood obsession with hair?

[654] What would that mean?

[655] That specific, I guess we'll call it, it's a parapheria or a fetish.

[656] Right.

[657] But it's, I can't find anything about it anywhere.

[658] It only brings you to the one where you trickophilia, I think, where you pull your hair out.

[659] Oh, yeah.

[660] So, but...

[661] That's a bummer one.

[662] That is, yeah.

[663] That's a tough one.

[664] I had a friend that used to pick a little part of his eyebrow all the time when he was stressed out.

[665] So you knew that he was like in the middle of an edit or something when he, like, part of his eyebrow would be gone right there.

[666] It always grew back.

[667] I knew a little girl who, when I was yet little who pulled her hair out.

[668] It was really sad.

[669] And her brother like threatened all her friend, all the girls in her grade.

[670] If you fucking make fun of my sister, I will.

[671] Oh, that's awesome.

[672] I know.

[673] It's very sweet.

[674] He, like, kind of, yeah, it was really sweet.

[675] Also, I think there are a lot of childhood things like that that.

[676] It's common.

[677] I think a lot of people have that.

[678] Everyone shows their anxiety in different ways.

[679] I used to do a thing where I wouldn't take my jacket off on the playground even though it was hot.

[680] Ooh, why?

[681] I don't know.

[682] I would reach, I always thought that people were putting notes on my back.

[683] And so I would constantly be reaching to touch my back and constantly be checking my back.

[684] Why did you cease that happen as somebody else?

[685] Probably in like Parker Lewis can't lose or some shit.

[686] Like, and a fucking saved by the bell.

[687] And so I was like constantly, but just I thought everyone was making fun of me. Of course.

[688] Yeah.

[689] That was my.

[690] Because you were in junior high?

[691] Elementary school.

[692] Oh, wow.

[693] No, I was on meth in junior high, so no one would fuck with me. That was my tick.

[694] Did that word?

[695] That was my tick in junior highs.

[696] Taking meth.

[697] Just, and maybe I'll stop talking with me. Yeah.

[698] That's a different kind of tick.

[699] Uh -huh.

[700] Um, okay, sorry.

[701] No, no. So this is on Wikipedia, which, you know how they always have like you, it'll cite it if you need a reference.

[702] Like if you're just stating something in a, article they're like you have to prove this yeah I think there should be the same citations for grammar because listen to how this paragraph sounds love it let me have it hair fetishism comes from a natural fascination with the species on the admiration of the coat as its texture provides pleasurable sensations an infant develops this kind of pleasure to feel the hair on his or her early life manifesting an aggressive behavior that will drive to pull the hair of people with which it interacts That was the most gorgeous sentence.

[703] I'm getting that whole thing tattooed on my back in italics.

[704] You know when you hear something and you're just like, oh my God, that's it.

[705] That is like the wisdom of the ages on its coat.

[706] I want you to repeat it, but it's too long, but I still love it.

[707] It's really long and also essentially it's just like children with hair fetishism like the touching hair at an early age.

[708] But it says so much more.

[709] Well, someone put that in like that quote as like one of those motivational.

[710] photo quotes with like the ocean in the background and we'll post it.

[711] Maybe if there's a lady that has hair down to her feet.

[712] Oh, if you could superimpose Crystal Gale into this.

[713] Okay.

[714] She's a, she's an old country, you know her?

[715] Oh no. Is she the one with the long, the lady with the longest hair in the world?

[716] Yeah.

[717] And she was a Loretta Lynn's sister.

[718] Hmm.

[719] Anyhow.

[720] Interesting.

[721] I also then in trying to find articles about the shampoo, the fetish of wanting to shampoo women's hair.

[722] I found an article from the independent from 2007 where they talk about the results of the largest global study of sexual kinks ever undertaken and it turns out that among sexual preferences for body parts feet and toes are the most popular at 47%.

[723] Head shoulders, feed and toes, feed and toes, feed and toes.

[724] It's all feed and toes, feed and toes.

[725] They also found that when it came to objects associated with the body, shoes, boots, and other footwear scored 64%.

[726] And just to give you a sense of compared to other things.

[727] And this is based on the views of men and women.

[728] 150 people with a penchant for hearing aids.

[729] What?

[730] Two who had fetish for pacemakers.

[731] Wow.

[732] 12 % of them were turned on by underwear, 9 % by coats.

[733] What?

[734] Uh, uh, uh, 7 % by hair.

[735] So it's kind of in the low middle, I guess.

[736] But it's, but it's present.

[737] It's there.

[738] It represents, but it's in no way near feet.

[739] Uh, five percent muscles, four percent genitals.

[740] Five percent muscles and four percent genitals.

[741] You think that'd be number one.

[742] You would think that maybe it's just too obvious.

[743] Yeah.

[744] Yeah.

[745] Two on the nose.

[746] Right.

[747] Two on the genitals.

[748] You're like, no, I'm into nose.

[749] How about the nose?

[750] Yeah.

[751] Uh, the lowest scores.

[752] And so sorry guys.

[753] Went to to stethoscopes wrist watches bracelets diapers and catheters oh catheters where did my mine of nacho cheese fries come in it ranks it's it oh my god eight percent look at this great i see nach cheesehires and i'm just like ready to girl girl girl guy Vince okay now then from this article I stumbled on to an article about object sexuality which is that thing where people fall in love with bridges and marry them.

[754] Oh, like the actual object they're into.

[755] Yes.

[756] Because I was kind of trying to go like, well, if you're, if you don't have anything to tell me about washing ladies hair, then maybe this area will.

[757] And I just kept clicking on things that were bringing.

[758] I actually got to a hair washing porn site.

[759] Um, I didn't click on it though, because no, because that's forever.

[760] Yeah.

[761] Did you, what about is the person who married a roller coaster in there?

[762] Yes.

[763] Well, in my short list, uh, this is a woman's day article from 2010.

[764] where it's a list of the 10 known romances between people and things.

[765] Oh, my God.

[766] Including the Berlin Wall, a fairground ride, which I think is what you're talking about.

[767] A body pillow, totally understandable.

[768] I get that.

[769] A Nintendo video game character.

[770] Aw.

[771] A Volkswagen Beetle.

[772] The World Trade Center.

[773] Wait.

[774] A steam locomotive, understandable.

[775] An eye book, sure.

[776] And the most romantic of all, a metal prophet.

[777] processing system.

[778] Wow, man. There's like a glitch in the matrix of your brain when those things happen.

[779] Yeah, I mean, or it's, right, it's, everybody gets some weird thing that happens to them when they're like five and they go like, oh, that's my thing.

[780] And then that's just how it is.

[781] Yeah, I guess you get emotionally attached to whatever.

[782] Yeah, you know, some weird memory that's just like, ooh, Christmas and Poinsettas that turns me on.

[783] Okay.

[784] So here, let's get back.

[785] let's get back we're not trying to kink shame anybody no just kind of throw some things out you're actually kink unshaming and showing all the beautiful ways that there are to love and fuck right because one i you know focused on the foot like the fucking aspect but then i brought it around to love with a metal processing system no shame get yours the way you have to just don't hurt anyone in the process or a bridge oh yeah they're sensitive they have to be there all the time for people yeah they seem strong yeah but they're really not yeah deep down deep down in a windy day all right so luigi longie spent some time in mental institutions uh and he was eventually deported from switzerland in 1977 when he was 25 so he moved to denmark a city called padborg padborg let's do it uh i think i just make the worst fucking ikea joke in the world please mark that and all ideas similar to it no no leave it because you held back to show that I have control thanks um okay so the he says that this is when he began hiring women who would let him wash their hair uh he never asked for sex he never harmed them in any way he just shampooed them compulsively in fact he was a virgin shampooing hair yeah uh that's what he needed to get it done so on may 30th 1981 when luigi was 29 years old, he picked up a German hitchhiker named Haika Freight at the Danish German border.

[786] And he offered her to buy her a ticket to Copenhagen if she would come and let him wash her hair in his apartment.

[787] And she was like, okay, I can get home.

[788] It's almost like if instead he, like offering that to me is creepier than he was like, can you come over so I can murder you?

[789] Yes.

[790] Because your hair washing part is just like, what?

[791] yeah it's all questions yeah there's there's nothing you can't trust it it doesn't sound normal it doesn't sound that easy uh you know it can't be that easy right because normally the way hair washing works is you pay someone else to do it for you right right and like you don't have to be alone with a strange man and i know this is it right that's key uh i know this is you know like obviously he had mental problems for an early age but i wish someone had told him you can get a job washing women's hair and get paid for it.

[792] I did it.

[793] Did you really?

[794] For a short time, yeah.

[795] Are there any tricks we need to know?

[796] Yeah, every person who washes hair has a spot that they just immediately miss. Like, you just ignore this one.

[797] And so mine was like the back, right side of the neck.

[798] So you have to make sure to do that.

[799] Don't spray people in the face.

[800] I was really bad at it.

[801] With that hose.

[802] Oh, yeah.

[803] I was just, it was, it's really intimate.

[804] It's really, really intimate.

[805] And like, It's, and I was like 20, not even 20 years old.

[806] So I was just like suddenly like caressing people's heads with basically kind of with your boobs on their face.

[807] Yeah.

[808] I mean, is the position.

[809] Yes.

[810] It's odd.

[811] It's really creepy and intimate.

[812] And as you like, that's an interesting perspective because just as the receiver, you just, I would just close my eyes.

[813] I'm like, I'm at the massage parlor right now.

[814] I think that's key is that close your eyes.

[815] It makes it less creepy.

[816] Yeah, don't fucking stare at the person that's trying to wash your hair.

[817] No. That's not like time for eye contact.

[818] polite and close your fucking eyes have a personal moment if you can't close your eyes because you're that you know the insanity inside you as such you can't be alone in there in the dark look away baby do a half way do a half half lid look away zone out yeah yeah please if you can okay she goes there he washes her hair to the point where in this I wish there was so much more information about this they both fell asleep so he must have been good he must have been good she could have been on some drugs sure uh felt comfortable he may have been very non -threatening and like she just was a tired hitchhiker if you ever have had a good hair wash man it can be so nice oh my god well so he wakes up and he wants to wash her hair again okay but he knows now this is the dividing line between when he usually gets women to wash let him wash their hair is that he does it and then they leave so now he wants to do it again he knows she's going to say no, so he decides to tie her up.

[819] Uh -oh.

[820] So he binds her hands and her feet.

[821] And then she wake, so she's waking up as he takes her back over to the chair at the sink to wash her again.

[822] Oh, God.

[823] And once she gets in the chair, he gags her and, and the binds her to the chair so that she won't move around.

[824] And then he proceeds to wash her hair for hours and hours until he runs out of shampoo.

[825] Are you fucking kidding me?

[826] Uh -huh.

[827] And this is the part where, and I was, it was not humor laugh, it was like nervous, what the fuck am I reading on this cod laugh?

[828] Holy shit, yeah.

[829] Yeah, just I've never heard anything like this.

[830] No. Um, so then when he runs out of shampoo, he looks around his apartment for other things he can use.

[831] So then he starts shampooing her hair with honey.

[832] Then he shampoos her hair with salad dressing.

[833] What?

[834] And cottage cheese.

[835] So, which is horrifying.

[836] I am speechless.

[837] And insane.

[838] And then it also reminded me in the 70s, I can't remember if we've talked about this or not.

[839] My mom used to put a conditioning pack on her hair on the weekends that was just mayonnaise.

[840] That's what I used to do.

[841] How do you stand that?

[842] I don't know.

[843] So gross.

[844] And she would have it.

[845] She'd have like a perfectly manicured fingernails with mayonnaise underneath them.

[846] But she'd be like, honey, hand me that thing.

[847] And I'd be like, I can't be anywhere near you.

[848] I would use like fucking fistfuls of fucking mayonnaise in your hair.

[849] You wrap plastic wrap around your head.

[850] Yes.

[851] And you just let it fucking marinate.

[852] Yeah.

[853] And your hair is beautiful and shiny.

[854] and stinks.

[855] The stink is so gross.

[856] It's so bad.

[857] It's fucking raw eggs.

[858] Rotten eggs.

[859] It's rotten eggs that you're putting on your head.

[860] What I think's interesting about the fact that he did that and kept doing it with other stuff is that it's not about washing her hair.

[861] And it's like that it makes you understand something more about this fetish, which is it's like it's manipulating the scalp and hair of a woman and the act of doing that rather than the washing.

[862] Right.

[863] It's not about cleanliness.

[864] Not about cleanliness or the woman enjoying it.

[865] No. Because no one's going to enjoy cottage cheese fucking rubbed in their head unless me or your mom.

[866] And a small handful of other people.

[867] No, it's about his enjoyment of touching her hair with liquid in it, basically.

[868] And probably rinsulating scalp and touching hair.

[869] Okay, so, so all the while while she's being shampooed, of course, she's struggling against her restraints.

[870] Um, but now he's worked himself up into a frenzy because he can shampoo her.

[871] He, like, there's no, he's out of control.

[872] He can do whatever he wants.

[873] Um, so then he decides he wants to see what she looks like naked.

[874] And so she, he rips her clothes off.

[875] And so this is when hike begins to stomp her feet on the ground.

[876] She's trying to get like a neighbor to notice or know that something's wrong.

[877] And when she starts to do that, um, he's put, and it doesn't say when this happened, he's put a noose around her neck so he's tightening it trying to make her stop stomping her feet um and she ends up dying of asphyxiation oh my god he later tells the police that it was an accident he says i never intended to kill her but suddenly she went limp and i realized she was dead um but in a couple articles too the way they phrased it was almost like she strangled herself by fighting against the ligatures and it's like it's if you put in the ligature weren't there exactly and also if he if there's anything news like in the story sorry that there's one there's one use for that there's a way to strangle yourself because there's something around your neck then he then he killed her right you would stop strangled her if you were beginning to strangle yourself because you were moving he'd stop moving yeah yeah yeah this is not on her yeah uh okay so of course he panics and what does he do which then also combines some other interest that we have he's stuffs her body into a wall space, puts lime on it, and gets the fuck out of Dodge.

[878] Nine months later, there were workmen who are re -insulating the roof.

[879] Nine months?

[880] They didn't find her?

[881] Does Lyme work that well?

[882] Well, no, I didn't say what, like, they found her body, so it's not like it completely disintegrated.

[883] Okay.

[884] But maybe it controlled the smell.

[885] That's what I mean.

[886] It's like no one was like.

[887] I have no idea.

[888] But, yeah, it took nine months.

[889] And then they fucking look down and there's a body in a wall.

[890] wall, which is horrifying.

[891] But also, one of the stories that we were asking people to send us has things in walls.

[892] So anyway, Luigi Longi pled not guilty, but on March 11th, 1983, he was found to be criminally insane and confined to a mental institution for an indefinite amount of time.

[893] I was thinking this was like the 40s.

[894] No. Shit.

[895] So because the true crime cards were written in 1992, on the card, it says, where he remains until this day.

[896] We don't know if that's true, but if he is still alive today, he'd be 66.

[897] He's young.

[898] And that's the short and singular story of Louis G. Longi.

[899] Wow.

[900] Let's go find him.

[901] Yeah.

[902] Oh, that's creepy.

[903] That's so creepy.

[904] Guys, tell us your fetishes.

[905] No, thanks.

[906] Steven's like, no. Just imagine the inbox now.

[907] I know.

[908] Send Stephen your fetish.

[909] Well, we have all these new listeners.

[910] The people have no interest in true crime whatsoever.

[911] They just want us.

[912] Their fetish is us reading their fetish on our podcast.

[913] Against our will.

[914] But that was fucked up.

[915] Yeah.

[916] That was a quick episode.

[917] Yeah.

[918] What's your thing that makes you happy this week?

[919] You're positive.

[920] Yeah, my thing is another gift from a person in the VIP line, the Peelein.

[921] It's a book called The Man from the Train by a man who's normally a baseball writer named Bill James, but he also wrote the book Popular Crime, which a lot of us have read.

[922] Okay.

[923] Oh, I have to read it.

[924] So he's, it's very cool because he's approaching.

[925] It's basically there's this, you have to read it, so I don't want to like overly spoil, but he's linking the Voluska Axe murders.

[926] and a bunch of other really grisly murders.

[927] It's one guy that used to ride the train.

[928] And it's just incredible.

[929] And he uses that kind of like, here's all the things this guy did, and he did it every single time.

[930] And they went through and pulled all the stories from back then of was somebody killed by an axe in a small town near a railroad.

[931] And it's incredible.

[932] They did so much research.

[933] Oh, I can't wait to write it.

[934] It's so good.

[935] And also the way he writes, like sometimes, I feel like when I read true crime books, it's very like, it gets very prosy and like kind of like the very overly descriptive.

[936] This guy, it's like he's just talking to her.

[937] It's like, we'll talk about that later.

[938] Like, here's the research.

[939] Yes.

[940] And he's like, and that you might remind you of this, but it comes back later.

[941] So we'll talk about that then.

[942] Like it's really cool narrative.

[943] And then it's just really clear.

[944] And it's one of those really satisfying.

[945] Like, if you know about this crime and this crime and this crime, he's like, he's like, like it's all one guy nice yeah okay i'm i really want to read it yeah i'm halfway done so you'll have it in you know two weeks okay my seven months great or i think yeah or i'll buy it uh oh i just bought a stranger beside me um can i just say cats i think that's making me happy is cats and my cats and watching them sure that's what's making me happy right now it's just nice to fucking sit and with them.

[946] And we're gone so much touring that like when I get to come home and see them, it just makes me really happy.

[947] Great.

[948] Yeah.

[949] Well, thanks for listening, you guys.

[950] Thanks, guys for listening.

[951] Um, all right.

[952] Stay sexy.

[953] And don't get murdered.

[954] Bye.

[955] Bye.

[956] Elvis want cookie.

[957] Whoa.