349 - A Bit of Stew

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Your arm went down, but you didn't do, you didn't start talking.

[2] I know.

[3] I waited a beat.

[4] I don't know why.

[5] You gave me a cue.

[6] You were doing like a roll off like in cheerleading.

[7] And yet somehow I think we were perfectly in sync.

[8] That's how good we are at this at this point.

[9] I really agree.

[10] And welcome to my favorite murder.

[11] That's Georgia Heart Start.

[12] That's Karen Kilgara.

[13] How's it going?

[14] Hey, it's all right.

[15] World Mental Health Day is this week.

[16] So I'm checking in with my world mental health.

[17] Nice.

[18] I might just sleep through that whole day just as a celebration.

[19] One of the best things you can do for yourself is get a bunch of sleep.

[20] Absolutely.

[21] And water.

[22] So good for your brain.

[23] Some water.

[24] Vitamin, throw maybe some vitamin E in there.

[25] Yeah.

[26] A D, a B12.

[27] Let's just get them all in there.

[28] Get some do magnesium.

[29] Oh.

[30] Have you ever accidentally taken too much magnesium?

[31] No, what happens?

[32] You just fucking shit it.

[33] Do you shit your brains out?

[34] Like a baby, like a newborn baby.

[35] I didn't know and this, I can't, I think I thought it said take two, but I was looking at, I was taking multiple bottles of vitamins.

[36] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[37] So I was assuming that one meant two and this one also was two when in fact it was one big one.

[38] Wow.

[39] I'm just saying if you want a new start.

[40] It's scary how easy it is, too.

[41] If you want a new start, a new day.

[42] Yeah, you just want to refresh.

[43] Yeah, all right.

[44] I'm in.

[45] I'm going to do it all for New You.

[46] Mental Health, World Mental Health Day.

[47] Right?

[48] It's also, actually, it's also Indigenous People's Day in America here, which is great.

[49] That's great.

[50] I was looking at a map that basically people are posting and saying anyone that talks about immigrants coming here, like trying to, quote, unquote, steal our land.

[51] It's like, here's the actual map of the United States, and it's just all the different tribes across the United States.

[52] Yeah.

[53] Who was your first fellas?

[54] For real.

[55] Let's get this straight.

[56] Let's get it right.

[57] For once.

[58] What's going on with you?

[59] How are you?

[60] I'm good.

[61] I actually did some socializing this weekend, which talk about World Mental Health Day.

[62] Yeah.

[63] Really makes a difference.

[64] Just seeing people you know and like.

[65] Yeah.

[66] Yeah.

[67] It sounds terrifying right now.

[68] It's not easy.

[69] I will say that there was a lot of, here's what I love.

[70] There's definitely when I'm.

[71] I did it last night, actually, a small gathering.

[72] The people that I saw were all the kind of people that I could talk about how weird it is when you're not good at socializing anymore.

[73] Yeah.

[74] Which is a fun thing to discuss.

[75] Yeah.

[76] It's a good topic to have a conversation about.

[77] I went to CatCon to do the percast.

[78] I was Stephen Ray Morris and Sarah's guest.

[79] And I was on stage for the first time.

[80] That was new for me since you and I. have toured and I kept cursing on accident and there were children there.

[81] It's cat con. It's not like it's a fucking PG -13 event.

[82] And I was, I apologized and was like I haven't been this in public in so long.

[83] I was sweating and cursing.

[84] It was so embarrassing.

[85] Sorry, Stephen.

[86] No, it was so much fun.

[87] It felt good to be out there again.

[88] Stephen, did you curse?

[89] I think I did I think I did you say a fuck at one point.

[90] Okay.

[91] Yeah.

[92] In solidarity.

[93] Thank you.

[94] that's very nice that's the good kind of support where it's just like what we're all doing it why is maybe the baby's wrong maybe we're not wrong maybe the children are wrong the baby's always wrong everyone knows that if i may change the subject to a slightly in fact incredibly heavier topic please i don't know if you've been watching what's been happening in iran with the young women the women of all ages actually i should say women of every age rising up against the political political regime.

[95] It is so unbelievably inspiring and amazing.

[96] It's all over TikTok.

[97] I just keep seeing it on TikTok.

[98] And it's, I just hope the young women of America are watching that bravery because it is life or death for that for the women of Iran.

[99] They're standing up to the moral police, which I think is very ironic for us to be looking at that.

[100] Like, here's what this country could turn into.

[101] This morality police of these old men walking around saying, do this, don't do that.

[102] Right.

[103] Telling women what they can and can't do and what is okay for their bodies and their practices and their lives.

[104] Yeah.

[105] It's harrowing.

[106] And these incredible women are standing up for themselves with the threat of death, the true threat of death, impossibility.

[107] And it's inspiring and it's incredible and harrowing and terrifying.

[108] And it is so inspiring.

[109] Yeah.

[110] It's amazing.

[111] It has to do with the death of Masa Amini.

[112] There's protests all across the country.

[113] I mean, it's chilling and it's amazing and it's, I just think it's so cool.

[114] So if you don't know about it, learn more about it than what I just told you.

[115] But this is a movement that's like, it's so important.

[116] We need to keep our eyes on that, that idea of standing up in the face of threat for our rights, human rights, basic human rights.

[117] Yeah, definitely.

[118] Yeah, I'm glad you brought that.

[119] up.

[120] Their hashtag is women life freedom.

[121] Okay.

[122] Amazing.

[123] Oh, it gets me. Oh, I just really quickly saw a show on Stars with the Z which I don't think Stars gets enough credit.

[124] Yeah.

[125] They put out some hits for real.

[126] They have been putting out hits lately.

[127] And they also do a lot of period pieces which is, you know, my passion.

[128] Sure.

[129] Watching them, not producing them.

[130] Although, you never know.

[131] Yeah.

[132] But next career.

[133] There's, get really into like, really involved costumes and stuff that just takes hours.

[134] There's a show on there called The Serpent Queen.

[135] Ooh.

[136] And it starts, it's about Catherine D 'Medici, and it stars Samantha Morton, who, she was kind of an it girl in the, would you say, mid to late 2000s?

[137] She was in, like, Minority Report.

[138] And she was, like, you know, around a lot.

[139] And she's done some, like, prestige TV.

[140] But she is such a fucking unbelievably good actress.

[141] And it's such, and this show is like, I just think it's a fascinating, Royals in the 1500s getting up to their business.

[142] Costumes galore.

[143] Costumes galore.

[144] There's, yeah, the costumes are truly, can't be beat.

[145] What are you going to be for Halloween, speaking of?

[146] Vincent and I just put our Halloween decorations up today, which was really fun and almost started a fight somehow even though it's like the most fun.

[147] Any project is going to have some opinions.

[148] We almost argued over tape.

[149] And where to put it.

[150] Stay focused.

[151] Keep your eyes on the price.

[152] We're both sweating and like bickering about tape and where it belongs and doesn't belong.

[153] But the stuff of life.

[154] Everything's fine now.

[155] I don't know.

[156] I never really think about that.

[157] Yeah.

[158] You pulled Megan Fox out real quick last year, and that was pretty epic.

[159] I was Megan Fox.

[160] Frank was machine gun Kelly.

[161] We got it done.

[162] You did.

[163] That was just a wig.

[164] Oh, wait.

[165] What if I started crying when I found out it was a wig and I thought it was really a hair.

[166] When I walked in, Georgia saw me. The first thing she said was, oh my God, you have to grow your hair out right now.

[167] And I was like, it's not going to look like this if I grow it out.

[168] It won't have glittery tinsel in it if I grow it out.

[169] That's true.

[170] That's unfortunate.

[171] It looked great on you.

[172] Long ass hair.

[173] Hell yeah.

[174] Thank you.

[175] I'll try my best, but mine gets all screwed up.

[176] Whereas the ones from, you know, Party City, you got a nice, big old long black wig.

[177] Those flammable plastic wigs.

[178] Those look beautiful.

[179] Every night.

[180] Not just the one night you need them.

[181] Yeah, every night.

[182] Why, what are you going to be?

[183] Are you thinking about it?

[184] Not nothing at all.

[185] I'm going to, we have any.

[186] You know what I did buy?

[187] I bought a Peggy Bundy wig just in case.

[188] Just in case?

[189] because I'm like, this will sell out by the time I want it.

[190] Yeah, that's a great idea.

[191] Then you get to wear pedal pushers and like a teetops and your set.

[192] Spandex pants and a giant belt and I could smoke cigarettes all night and it's part of the costume, not weird.

[193] It's not weird.

[194] Yep.

[195] Not any of those children can say shit to you when they come up to get their candy.

[196] Come at me, children.

[197] Try it.

[198] Come here.

[199] My wig is flammable.

[200] I get to.

[201] I'm smoking near it.

[202] Leave me alone.

[203] I mean, it's spooky season.

[204] All of a sudden, the phrase is.

[205] is it's spooky season.

[206] That's a new thing for this year.

[207] Stolen from us, for sure.

[208] From us?

[209] Yeah.

[210] Spooky Halloween.

[211] Come on.

[212] Think so?

[213] Yeah, definitely.

[214] But even the people over at like Mickelope Light are saying it.

[215] Yeah, stolen from us.

[216] I'm saying that, thinking that we have no reach at all, and I'm totally making that up.

[217] No one stole anything from us.

[218] I just think it's weird the way there are language trends that pop up out of nowhere and literally every person.

[219] It's like everyone's so afraid to be the one that isn't saying the newest thing that they just immediately start all saying it like they've always said it.

[220] Right.

[221] It's like there's no cultural event that makes everyone go, oh, now we call it spooky season instead of Halloween.

[222] It just starts happening.

[223] We did say spooky Halloween for years because it was your thing when you were young.

[224] Like that has been said on this podcast.

[225] True.

[226] And not that I'm saying anyone from Mickelope or whatever listens to this podcast and took it.

[227] I'm just saying it's not fucking new to us is all I'm saying.

[228] It's not new to us.

[229] It's also not new to Halloween.

[230] It's been going on for like 200 years.

[231] I think the word spooky has been in use.

[232] I'm just saying that combination where it was like this same thing where all the sudden social media decided like we love apple picking or whatever the fuck where you're like, oh, I didn't know.

[233] That's suddenly that is, it's being presented as if it's a years -long tradition.

[234] Yeah.

[235] Yeah.

[236] come on get with it get with us get with our spooky season get with us um hey speaking of spooky and seasons should we do exactly right corner real quick absolutely hey we have a podcast network and we have podcasts on the network that we think you'll like a lot handpicked just for you we literally produce them talking about what we thought you would like yeah that is not a joke nope there are meetings about us talking about you guys and how much we like you and how much we think you'll like this.

[237] For example, this week, friend of the podcast, none other than Patent Oswald, joins Karen Kilgariff.

[238] You've heard of her.

[239] That's me. And Chris Fairbanks on the podcast, Do You Need a Ride?

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[243] I mean, we really never.

[244] We really let that one just kind of hang out as the chit -chat podcast.

[245] But great stuff is happening over there if you're into it, if you feel like it.

[246] Of course you are.

[247] Now, if on the other hand, you're into more of a what has actually happened.

[248] I'd like to go over the stuff that's not in the news because there's so much bad news in the news.

[249] But there are people who've got their eye out.

[250] Those people are Scotty and Kurt over at the bananas podcast.

[251] And this week, podcaster Alison Rosen stops by bananas to discuss the world's wacky news.

[252] That's right.

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[254] We know.

[255] We're into that too.

[256] And that's why we have a podcast called Buried Bones.

[257] It's brand new and none other than Kate Winkler -Dawson and Paul Holes hosted and they're back with episode six.

[258] This week's episode is the first of a two -part series about the disappearance of a wealthy doctor's wife in 1910s, London.

[259] Spooky.

[260] Spooky season.

[261] The 1910s were the spookiest season of all.

[262] We should actually say, thank you so much for coming out and listening to Buried Bones.

[263] It is a bona fide hit.

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[265] You guys turned out for, you know, the two true crime college professors.

[266] I don't know how else to describe them, but they're so legit.

[267] Yeah.

[268] They're so legit, even Frank is barking from the other room incessantly about it.

[269] Frank knows.

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[299] Goodbye.

[300] Okay, Karen.

[301] Well, this week, it's my turn to go.

[302] So today we're going to talk about drugs.

[303] Yay.

[304] More specifically, I'm going to tell you about Dr. Max Jacobs, the physician who was nicknamed Dr. Feelgood, thanks to his lethal, quote, vitamin shots.

[305] Is this from the 70s?

[306] 60s, 50 -60s.

[307] You know this guy?

[308] I knew the later version, but I don't know any details.

[309] Okay, great.

[310] I've just heard that name.

[311] Okay.

[312] Well, we're going to talk about him.

[313] It's all kinds of fucked up.

[314] The sources I used in today's episodes are the website Americanadictioncenters .org.

[315] Two New York Times articles, one by Boyce Rendsberger, the other by Jane E. Brody, a History Net article by Peter Carlson, a New York Magazine article by Peter Keating, et cetera, et cetera.

[316] You can find all my sources in the show notes.

[317] Here we go.

[318] All right, so Max Jacobson, Dr. Max Jacobson, he's born, not a doctor, in Germany on July 3rd, 1900.

[319] After working in hospitals during World War I, he studies medicine at the Frederick Wilhelm University in Berlin.

[320] He graduates as a doctor.

[321] He begins experimenting with tinctures and is interested in studying the positive health effects of early forms of psychotropic drugs.

[322] Weren't we all in high school, right?

[323] Yeah.

[324] Psychotropic, those ones that, what, change your brain chemistry?

[325] Yeah, yeah.

[326] So Dr. Jacobson, he's living his life.

[327] He's fucking doing his career.

[328] However, he's Jewish.

[329] And so by the mid -1930s, of course, anti -Semitism is sweeping Germany.

[330] So in 1936, he flees the country and moves to New York City where he opens his own consulting rooms on the Upper East Side.

[331] In 1946, he marries, and the couple live in an apartment on East 86th Street.

[332] In the 1950s, he starts experimenting with intravenous drug treatments.

[333] His specialty is called a, quote, miracle tissue regenerator, a vitamin energy cocktail, or an IV special.

[334] That tells you nothing about what's in it, right?

[335] Like, I'll have an IV special.

[336] I don't know what that, what's in that bag, but I want you to shoot it straight into my veins, doctor.

[337] Into my veins with a needle.

[338] He prescribes this for all manner of ailments.

[339] Patients come to his office where he injects them in either the hip, neck, jaw, abdomen, or knees.

[340] Pick one.

[341] Jaw?

[342] No. Oh, my God.

[343] Oh, sorry, I thought you meant pick the worst one you could possibly imagine.

[344] Oh, no, then that's right.

[345] I mean, I was just kidding.

[346] I just said the first thing that you said, the last thing I heard you say.

[347] But what needle, like, it would have to be so short to go in your jaw, wouldn't it?

[348] I don't know.

[349] I wonder if it's like, they mean, like, not in the jaw bone, but in the tissue.

[350] And I also wonder if.

[351] Straight into the jugular.

[352] I also wonder if part of these are like, where are you in pain?

[353] I can, like, if you have a tooth abscess or something, maybe he does it in the jaw for that reason.

[354] Georgia, I know this is your story and we just started and I don't know anything about it, but this man is not a dentist.

[355] So, so no. But it sounds like he's a pain specialist.

[356] So he's like, you don't even have to go to the dentist.

[357] Let me help you with that pain.

[358] Open your eyes.

[359] I've got a new place to get a shot.

[360] Stop.

[361] Oh my God.

[362] That's one thing I can't handle his eye things.

[363] Yeah.

[364] Spread out your fingers and let's see the webs between them.

[365] I've got a new place to get a shot.

[366] Stephen, please edit that from my brain forever.

[367] Okay.

[368] He then provides them with vials of his concoctions.

[369] So this is a homemade concoction that he's created and disposable syringes so they can administer it to themselves at home.

[370] So goodbye.

[371] Good luck.

[372] Okay.

[373] Dr. Jacobson doesn't tell his patients what's in the shots, but people trust him because he tells him he's involved in cutting -edge clinical research.

[374] That's all it takes.

[375] He reserves one day a week to solely treat patients with multiple sclerosis.

[376] And initially, he treats European immigrants and their quality of life improves and their feedback is all glowing.

[377] They have more energy, they aren't as fatigued.

[378] Just a real quick aside, his appearance is described in the history net .com article as wearing, quote, a white coat that is frequently splattered with blood.

[379] His fingernails were filthy, stained by chemicals he used to concoct his magic elixirs.

[380] He wore thick glasses and spoke a thick German accent.

[381] His office was messy, chaotic, crowded with patients who sometimes waited hours to see him.

[382] So he was a very popular doctor.

[383] Okay.

[384] Word of Dr. Jacobson's innovative treatment spread amongst New York show business circles, and soon he has a star -setted list of influential celebrity patients, many from the entertainment world, including Lauren Bacall, Humphrey Bogart, Judy Garland, Marilyn Monroe, and Truman Capote.

[385] So he is becoming this famous doctor because who god knows what's in his fucking elixirs yeah but they're making people feel real good real good doctor feel good dr jacobson isn't the only doctor in new york using quote mood boosting shots as a treatment but among the a list he's the most well known he also treats sports stars with baseball legend mickey manel probably his most famous in late september 1961, 29 -year -old Mickey is playing for the New York Yankees, but he's suffering from injuries.

[386] And when he comes down with a bad case of the flu and an eye infection, he's introduced to Dr. Jacobson, who administers his treatment.

[387] But when he injects Mickey in the hip, the needle accidentally hits bone.

[388] Wait.

[389] He is a doctor, though, right?

[390] Yeah.

[391] Okay.

[392] Yeah.

[393] I mean, all the way back in the fucking...

[394] 10s?

[395] Long time ago in Berlin.

[396] I don't know what the difference is, but yeah.

[397] So like, quote doctor.

[398] I'm sure it was so much easier to be a doctor back then, right?

[399] And then like, then you're a doctor of everything probably.

[400] You can kind of do whatever you want, I would think.

[401] You mean practice anything you want?

[402] Yeah.

[403] Oh, I don't know.

[404] Kind of.

[405] I'd be interesting to know.

[406] I definitely know, I feel like we've heard enough stories where that was back when if you were a doctor, you had kind of like say over everyone's life.

[407] Because everyone was like, well, he's the smartest person.

[408] Totally.

[409] Yeah.

[410] Dr. says so.

[411] Let's do it.

[412] Yeah.

[413] So the baseball stars condition deteriorate so badly he's admitted to the hospital where there's a septic infection and serious abscess in the injection site.

[414] So already there's some shady shit going on.

[415] And it rules Mickey Mantle out of both the 1961 World Series and competing for Babe Ruth's single season home run record.

[416] So it kind of fucks him over completely.

[417] Yes.

[418] And so there's already issues.

[419] But Dr. Jacobson's role in Mickey's hospitalization isn't investigated or even questioned by anyone, and even after his discharge from the hospital, Mickey Mantle keeps seeing Dr. Jacobson.

[420] That's how good as Miracle Cure is.

[421] Uh -oh.

[422] Two of Dr. Jacobson's most high -profile patients are President John F. Kennedy and his wife, Jackie O. Jackie O. Dr. Jacobson meets JFK through an existing patient in September in 1960 while Kennedy is still a senator and at a critical time in his campaign for the presidency.

[423] So J .F .K., as you know, we all know, has debilitating back pain.

[424] And he also lives...

[425] Wait, why did you say this?

[426] We all know.

[427] I don't know.

[428] We know that, though, right?

[429] You know why?

[430] It's because I talked to my mom 10 minutes before recording and told her, hey, I'm doing this story.

[431] Do you know him?

[432] And told her a little about it.

[433] And she goes, well, JFK had debilitating back pain, blah, blah.

[434] And I was like, I know.

[435] So I don't know why.

[436] I was just like, we all know.

[437] Everyone in the heart start failing.

[438] I've never heard it, but I mean like, it makes perfect sense.

[439] Yeah, I knew he was ill. As we all know.

[440] I don't know why I said that.

[441] I guess I didn't want to be like condescending.

[442] But I knew he was sick.

[443] Because he also had chronic Addison's disease.

[444] Oh.

[445] And there's a lot of videos of him with a cane.

[446] And he looks really thin and emaciated.

[447] Oh, okay.

[448] And I think he broke his back like maybe in World War II when he was.

[449] he was fighting.

[450] Oh.

[451] I'm not making that part out, but I'm speculating.

[452] Speculating severely with a very unsure look on your face as you do it.

[453] Yeah, that's right.

[454] Yeah.

[455] And Addison's disease affects the endocrine system and reduces the body's ability to react to infections so he can get sick really easily.

[456] By 1960, Senator Kennedy comes to rely on Dr. Jacobson's shots to help manage his pain and give him the energy to maintain the demands and pressure are the campaign trail.

[457] So he kind of can thank his presidency for Dr. Jacobson in some ways.

[458] I'm thinking, you know, because I'm going to want to make a real good guess on what's in these things.

[459] But it feels like speed to me, right?

[460] It does, doesn't it?

[461] It will get there.

[462] Okay.

[463] So then he becomes president.

[464] He even invites Dr. Jacobson to the inauguration.

[465] That's how much he's like, thanks, bro.

[466] Couldn't have done it without you.

[467] There's my guy.

[468] There's my hook.

[469] Fist bump.

[470] What's up?

[471] Dirty needles, maybe.

[472] I don't know.

[473] Do you have a light?

[474] At the same time, Jackie is experiencing postpartum depression following the birth of John Jr. So Dr. Jacobson's like, gotcha.

[475] I got this.

[476] Starts to give her shots to, quote, boost her mood.

[477] And the Secret Service starts calling Dr. Jacobson Miracle Max or Dr. Feel Good.

[478] Mm. In 1961, Dr. Jacobson treats the president again after Kennedy injures his back in a tree planting ceremony.

[479] Can you imagine being the president of the United fucking states and you're just like tree planting ceremony fucked my back up?

[480] Also, it's, as we know, I mean, not that I've like watched an entire tree planting ceremony, but I imagine just by the context clues that it's purely ceremony.

[481] Yeah.

[482] And the people that did the real tree planting work were there three hours before.

[483] And he was probably just supposed to like push something into something.

[484] Right.

[485] Put, scoop a thing out of the earth.

[486] Yep.

[487] Just like here, I'll just take the shovel and scoot this over.

[488] But he got in there and who the fuck knows?

[489] It's so annoying when your body betrays you.

[490] And I guess especially when you get older, but he was pretty young.

[491] But when you're like, I'm only 42 and I slept funny and now I can't walk for the rest of the week.

[492] It's like, but I'm also the president of the United States.

[493] Yeah.

[494] That's got to be annoying.

[495] I know it was hard for me when I had my slip and fall into a death drop that knocked my toenail off.

[496] That really was...

[497] That's right.

[498] That was difficult.

[499] I just scared the cat by grabbing my papers so hard.

[500] Gasping it how gross it is.

[501] Yeah.

[502] The toenail doesn't look good.

[503] Luckily, we're moving into the temperature is actually dropping in Los Angeles right now so I can wear, I must wear covered shoes.

[504] And so it's, I don't have to worry about it anymore.

[505] Thank God.

[506] Okay.

[507] We've been holding our breaths collectively.

[508] I will only talk about my kicked off toenail three more times during your story.

[509] Okay.

[510] I wish she would.

[511] Death drop.

[512] Karen in a death drop is hilarious.

[513] Okay.

[514] So, in May 161, Dr. Jacobson treats the president again after he enters his back in a tree planting ceremony.

[515] We all heard it.

[516] Yeah.

[517] Dr. Jacobson then accompanies JFK.

[518] to the president's first summit meeting in Vienna for a crucial meeting with the leader of the Soviet Union, Nikita Khrushchev.

[519] So this is a big fucking deal.

[520] This is a very big deal.

[521] We're in this, you know, Cold War.

[522] He needs to look good.

[523] And relations between the two countries are at the height of the Cold War.

[524] They're so volatile.

[525] The president has to be at the top of his game for this meeting.

[526] You know, his back is hurting.

[527] He's in pain.

[528] And so he gets Dr. Jacobson to come and give him these shots before he goes on to meet Nikita Khrushchev.

[529] So unfortunately, the summit doesn't go well for the U .S., and some historians suggest Dr. Jacobson's shots hinder the president's concentration.

[530] And this is where you saying is this fucking speed comes in.

[531] It seems like Khrushchev, to me, wants to engage JFK in a debate about war.

[532] And ideally, if he was on his game, he would kind of know, JFK would no sell him and not engage with him.

[533] him and not have a back and forth, which will inevitably make us look weak, right?

[534] But if he's on speed, let's say, what do you do when you're on speed?

[535] You fucking debate war.

[536] Like, that's what you do.

[537] You have all kinds of big ideas.

[538] I can tell you from 1996 to 95 to 97.

[539] Yeah.

[540] I had all kinds of big ideas.

[541] You just think you're right.

[542] Right.

[543] You just think it's a good idea and there's really no question.

[544] You lose that kind of sense of which I think you would really need as the president in that situation, which is your full faculties and, yeah, awareness is.

[545] There's no such thing as backing down when you're on uppers.

[546] Like there's no backing down.

[547] There's no being stoic.

[548] That's not part of the game when you're on uppers.

[549] And we're assuming for now that that's what he's on.

[550] So it goes really poorly.

[551] But Kennedy keeps seeing Dr. Jacobson and they develop a code when the doctor's services are required, the White House will call Dr. Jacobson's office and say, Mrs. Dunn requires treatment, whatever that means.

[552] By May of 1962, Dr. Jacobson visits the White House on 34 occasions to treat the president and makes trips to see him in Hiana's Port or Palm Beach.

[553] So he's like part of the circle now, inner circle.

[554] He doesn't charge the president, but instead he files expense accounts.

[555] So that's kind of shady too.

[556] So he's got, he's kind of just got like this doctor who has his own credit card.

[557] He was like an Amex White House card.

[558] I think he's just like, here's how much it costs me to take an Uber to the White House or Hiana support.

[559] Oh, just pay me. Wow.

[560] Yeah.

[561] That's not.

[562] That's a drug dealer.

[563] That's right.

[564] Hey, you want to come in and hang out for a minute?

[565] Just hang out for a while.

[566] Yeah.

[567] Those close to JFK want the background on these miracle shots that give the president his much needed energy and pain relief because Kennedy's doctors have no idea his real doctors for his actual ailments have no idea what's exactly in the mystery shots but Robert Kennedy and the Secret Service are super suspicious so in June 1962 Bobby sends a sample of a vial to the FBI for testing smart uh -huh the shots consist of multivitamins, great, painkillers, steroids, bone marrow, animal hormones, enzymes, and human placenta.

[568] Uh -oh.

[569] But already, no, thank you.

[570] But they also contain an unauthorized combination of liquid amphetamines and steroids.

[571] Holy shit.

[572] Amphetamine, I'm going to tell you real quick, Karen, just to catch you up, is a stimulant, which affects the central nervous system.

[573] it provides a burst of energy, increased focus, and confidence.

[574] And it's legal at the time.

[575] Dr. Jacobson admits he sometimes includes amphetamines in the shots, but he's adamant that as long as the patients follow his instructions, which you know, amphetamine addictions totally make you follow the rules.

[576] The amount of drug is so negligible, there's no way it could provide anyone with a high, let alone cause death.

[577] But he won't, like, prove it.

[578] Well, and also what it can do, it might not.

[579] get you like high, old school style, but what it's going to do is make you want to keep calling Dr. Jacobson.

[580] Right.

[581] I mean, that's the thing of it.

[582] It's like, it's that enough of an addiction to be like, this guy's crucial to my life and well -being.

[583] Totally.

[584] Totally.

[585] There are different types of amphetamines.

[586] Doctors initially legitimately prescribed the drug to treat nasal congestion.

[587] Did you know that?

[588] Well, that's what meth is made out of.

[589] That's why you can't get Sudafed off the counter in certain areas.

[590] Damn it.

[591] It's also used to treat hyperactivity and narcolepsy, which is like the opposite of things, so I don't understand how that works.

[592] But it becomes more widely used as a hangover remedy and for housewives for weight loss back in that time.

[593] Yep.

[594] It's even used by the U .S. Air Force to keep pilots alert during the Korean War.

[595] So, you know, we all know what meth is like.

[596] It's pretty intense.

[597] through the 90s.

[598] Despite the clinical benefits of prescription amphetamine use, the documented side effects are very serious.

[599] They include insomnia, hyperactivity, increased heart rate and blood pressure, impaired judgment, anxiety, aggression, dramatic mood swings, addiction, and psychosis.

[600] Depending on the dose and variant of the drug, effects can last up to six fucking long -ass motherfucking hours.

[601] If amphetamines are used in large doses for an extended period, paranoia can become so bad.

[602] it's similar to that experienced with schizophrenia.

[603] Wow.

[604] And an overdose can be fatal, and amphetamines are highly addictive.

[605] Yeah.

[606] So despite there being mixed reports about whether amphetamines are detected in the sample or not, Kennedy's doctors warned the president to stop taking the shots.

[607] Kennedy's orthopedic surgeon, Dr. Hans Krause, comments, quote, no president with his finger on the red button has any business taking stuff like that.

[608] So this is this is like actual doctor And he's like if you're taking shit like this And you're the leader of the free fucking world We've got a big problem here Yeah I agree with that doctor for sure Yeah but the president doesn't He's very dismissive and he says I don't care if it's horse piss it works That's a quote Yeah I don't know if it's real But that's a quote at them That's pretty amazing Well and it's true in a way It's like it works But we're also not talking about what it does to you afterwards.

[609] Right.

[610] Right.

[611] I mean, we've, you know, for anyone who's had chronic pain, I feel like being that dismissive makes sense because chronic pain makes you not able to function in the world, in your little world.

[612] Like when I had sciatica and I had to just have a podcast, it was impossible.

[613] But to be the president of the United States and have chronic pain seems like a nightmare.

[614] So to be like, fuck it, I don't give a shit what's in it.

[615] It's fucking working.

[616] Right, because he has to keep going.

[617] Right.

[618] And it is that thing of like, right, there's no, the job that I have that I have to keep going in has a hand in the stress that I'm feeling that's probably adding to my physical ailments.

[619] But like, there's no stopping now.

[620] Yeah.

[621] But there's always someone out there who's willing to take advantage of that need for relief.

[622] So eventually JFK's medical team does fire.

[623] Dr. Jacobson in an effort to treat the president's pain ethically and responsibly, things seem to start going well for the president following Dr. Jacobson's departure.

[624] He diplomatically navigates the Cuban Missile Crisis, which strengthens his reputation, and he forges ahead with progressive social reform.

[625] Meanwhile, at his office, Dr. Jacobson has a whole team of nurses and technicians working hard at a makeshift lab off the consultation room, but the whole place is in disarray.

[626] Anyone When visiting the doctor at night, catches glimpses of concoctions bubbling away in beakers and big pots.

[627] I'm sure it was totally sanitary.

[628] He uses fluorescent stones as essential ingredients for their, quote, energy properties.

[629] So this is some fucking mercury and retrograde shit right here.

[630] Oh, no. Uh -huh.

[631] Which he tests using magnets.

[632] And he also starts mixing his own blood into the preparations before administering it to patients.

[633] Oh.

[634] So this is just off the motherfucking, you've been, you're high in your own supply.

[635] Yes.

[636] Rails.

[637] Yeah, you know he's testing that stuff out.

[638] Oh, yeah.

[639] Yeah.

[640] And also that thing where, because there's, I've been listening to podcasts recently about doctors who, you know, metal and do things like that.

[641] It's just such a creepy other thing that is separate from, like, it's like, it's one thing, oh, you're giving people anphetamines.

[642] and you're not telling them about it, but it's for their own good and you're being the vitamin doctor or whatever.

[643] Tell me, how do you justify your blood being shot into someone else's body without them knowing?

[644] Yeah, yeah.

[645] There's no way around that being okay.

[646] That's a boundary issue.

[647] It really is.

[648] It really is.

[649] That's a HIPAA violation right there.

[650] That is an actual HIPAA violation.

[651] That is why there's rules and regulations right there.

[652] Mm -hmm.

[653] During this time, Dr. Jacobson doesn't prescribe the shots only to his patient.

[654] He also administers them to himself.

[655] And that actually gives his patient's reassurance and confidence his treatments are safe.

[656] When he's like, hey, look at me right now.

[657] I'm doing it to myself.

[658] That means you're fine too.

[659] Like, don't believe everything doctors say back in the 60s.

[660] Okay?

[661] In this situation.

[662] Listen, if you get a pure time traveler.

[663] But in May, 1964, his 49 -year -old.

[664] old wife, Nina, passes away under what some believe are suspicious circumstances, believing Dr. Jacobson may have administered her an accidental overdose, but no one asks any questions.

[665] Things become concerning by the late 1960s.

[666] Oh, those heady late 1960s.

[667] A lot of concerning elements of that time in America.

[668] That's right.

[669] That's right.

[670] So he works 24 hours a day.

[671] That's another thing is like, don't trust people who work 24 hours a day.

[672] Like, don't trust people who we're like, I just, I can't stop working.

[673] Yeah, he can't stop working because he's too high to sleep.

[674] Exactly.

[675] Like, that's what it's like on speed.

[676] You'd never want to sleep.

[677] Yeah, that's right.

[678] Sometimes he sees as many as 30 patients a day, too many.

[679] But his business is booming, but his behavior is increasingly erratic, shockingly.

[680] Needle marks on his arms make it clear he's not only sampling his own product, but is likely in the grip of an addiction as he relies on amphetamines to deal with his heavy workload.

[681] patients are in his office day and night waiting to see him for hours with some visiting as frequently as every day and other doctors on the floor their businesses started getting broken into because his patients would think it was his office break in the middle of the night to try to find his medication and couldn't find it.

[682] So it was just pandemonium.

[683] I mean, yeah, yeah.

[684] That's most people don't do that for vitamins.

[685] No. Yeah, right.

[686] You're like, vitamin C. I know magnesium.

[687] Maybe you're not.

[688] Agnesium.

[689] But that's about it.

[690] In 1967, Dr. Jacobson comes to the attention of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Dr. What a cool name.

[691] Over the next few years, the agency periodically scrutinizes Dr. Jacobson's purchase of amphetamines, but the only infringement the Bureau finds during this time is record -keeping violations resulting in a compliance order in March of 1968.

[692] So they don't find anything wrong.

[693] But the laws are clearly very different back then.

[694] Then on January 26th, 1969, one of Jacobson's patients, 47 -year -old, former Kennedy presidential photographer, Mark Shaw, dies suddenly at his apartment in Kipps Bay.

[695] You know, there's the beautiful portraits of them at Hianas Port of the Kennedy family.

[696] Like, those are his exclusive photos of the family.

[697] So he's their, like, their photographer.

[698] He dies at 47 years old, and Dr. Jacobson tells the medical examiner that, Mark had a history of heart disease and suffered a fatal heart attack.

[699] He's one of Dr. Jacobson's patients.

[700] But at Mark's autopsy, there's no signs of heart disease.

[701] Instead, his system is full of amphetamine residue.

[702] Oh.

[703] And his body shows signs of frequent drug injection.

[704] The cause of death is acute and chronic intravenous amphetamine poisoning.

[705] Dr. Jacobson changes his story and claims Mark died from exfixiation due to vomiting after hitting his head and vomiting and falling unconscious.

[706] How many tries does he get?

[707] I mean, that's a great question.

[708] Okay.

[709] Investigators want to know how and why Mark would be injected with such a high amount of amphetamine that it kills him.

[710] They interview Dr. Jacobson's practice staff who claimed they purchase 80 grams of amphetamines a month.

[711] Listen, I'm not great at math, so I'm just saying it like it sounds like a lot, but I don't know.

[712] I mean, if you want to do metric like that, then I am out of the conversation.

[713] Me?

[714] No, no. I just mean, if one, if people, if medical people are going to only talk about it in grams.

[715] Yeah.

[716] To me, that doesn't sound like that much.

[717] Grams always seem small.

[718] I'm going to say it like it's a big number.

[719] This is administered to patients in high doses.

[720] 80 grams makes around 100 strong daily doses of 25 milligrams.

[721] Okay.

[722] So that makes more sense.

[723] I do get that.

[724] It's a lot.

[725] So he's just like, despite him saying, like, there might be traced doses, trace amounts of amphetamines in my drugs, but not a lot.

[726] Like, this all blows it out the window because it's not true.

[727] Yeah.

[728] Dr. Jacobson completely rejects the idea that amphetamines are addictive.

[729] Oh.

[730] In October 1969, the Federal Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Dr. Seizes all controlled drugs Dr. Jacobson has in his possession.

[731] He launches a civil suit.

[732] against the Bureau in the Federal District Court.

[733] So then in September 1970, an inquiry is initiated into Dr. Jacobson's activities.

[734] And then meanwhile, you know, the New York Times is investigating.

[735] And Truman Capote tells the newspaper that he stopped seeing Dr. Jacobson after being hospitalized on one occasion and is sure he's given amphetamines without his consent.

[736] He explains, quote, you feel like Superman, you're flying.

[737] Ideas come at you at the speed of light.

[738] You go 72 hours straight without so much as a coffee break.

[739] You don't need sleep, you don't need nourishment, then you crash.

[740] It's like falling down a well.

[741] And then he says about Dr. Jacobson, you're looking for the German mosquito, the insect with a magic pinprick.

[742] He stings you, and all at once, you're soaring again.

[743] So he's very poetic about it being fucking an amphetamines.

[744] Yeah.

[745] So former patient and prominent fashion photographer Bob Richardson has a psychotic episode after Jacobson injects him with the tranquilizer, Thorazine.

[746] He's admitted to a psychiatric hospital where he's diagnosed with amphetamine poisoning and stays there for the next two fucking years.

[747] Oh, my God.

[748] Can you imagine having a breakdown so bad that you put yourself away for two years?

[749] And also, like, the amount they must have been taking to get, like, poisoning level.

[750] Horrifying.

[751] It's just, like, such the 60s and 70s to me in my mind.

[752] It's like, they weren't just drinking.

[753] They were, like, fucking just doing.

[754] and massive amounts of legal drugs that were just totally fucking with them.

[755] Yeah, and just that the experimentation, you know, all the like LSD stuff that people were doing at the time became very common without anyone knowing anything about it.

[756] So there were the level of experimentation and risk people were taking, but it was like all they needed was one person in a white coat with blood spatter on it to tell them this is okay.

[757] Yeah, because it's a doctor.

[758] Yeah.

[759] Like they don't talk about the.

[760] consequences because the doctor gave it to you.

[761] Yeah.

[762] So after the New York Time publishes its like negative investigation of Dr. Jacobson, more former patients and their families speak out about the difficulties they're having and trying to get the authorities to do something about Dr. Jacobson.

[763] Despite alerting hospital administrators, other doctors and medical societies, they keep hitting brick walls.

[764] So no one wants to fucking listen to them.

[765] Dr. Jacobson responds saying that patients who stop seeing him do so because either they have a mental illness or they consume alcohol, which is one of his like, you're not allowed to consume alcohol while this is happening.

[766] So yeah, it's totally their fault that he's giving them tons of amphetamines.

[767] Yeah.

[768] And his own blood.

[769] And his own blood and some, what was it, chicken bullion?

[770] Like there was stuff in there was like a little, a bit of stew, just a little bit of.

[771] His leftovers from that afternoon.

[772] Oh, no. It's so crazy.

[773] We all want just a simple solution to life's hardest problems.

[774] Wouldn't it be nice if just a doctor in a white coat with blood spatter could just come to your house and be like, here, this is all you need.

[775] Yeah.

[776] B -12, a little magnesium, some of my blood, like, and problem solved.

[777] And every, we all just want to go, yeah, I want it to be that easy.

[778] I mean, but it isn't.

[779] The other day I had like a couple sips of a fucking Red Bull and my life was better, but I can't, but I know that I can't do that.

[780] You know what I Like, that's how, I guess that's how much smarter we are now is like you can't just drink fucking energy drinks all the time and think that you're going to be fine from it.

[781] But God, they fucking help.

[782] And wouldn't my life be better if I could just have a couple of energy drink and be like, fine?

[783] Can I?

[784] I'm asking you if I can essentially right now.

[785] Well, you can.

[786] Don't just, I don't want to be there at the downfall part.

[787] Because isn't there a real, like, once you fall off the any kind of energy drink cliff?

[788] I think there's like, The energy, you run out of energy at some point and then you're just kind of lost.

[789] Yeah.

[790] It's called adrenal fatigue, guys.

[791] They seize the remainder of his supply.

[792] He claims that not all patients receive amphetamines.

[793] However, he refuses to disclose which patients he administers the drug, too.

[794] They don't all get it, but I'm not telling you anything.

[795] Because he doesn't know, right?

[796] Because everyone fucking gets it probably.

[797] Also, he doesn't keep any of Kennedy's records.

[798] He destroys them all after Kennedy dies, so nobody really knows what the truth is about how much he was getting, about how much JFK was getting, which is really interesting.

[799] But there's, like, certain little whistleblowers out there who have been writing memoirs about, like, that's how we know about all of this.

[800] Right.

[801] The New York Medical Board opens an investigation into Dr. Jacobson.

[802] It discovers that in the previous five years, he's purchased at least 29 .7 pounds of amphetamines, sounds like a lot, which works out to me enough for more than 100 ,000 doses a year for one person.

[803] Too many.

[804] Yeah.

[805] By early 1973, his practice is going through an average of 1 ,200 needles and more than 650 syringes per week.

[806] And this was back before they recycled stuff like that.

[807] So they just went, they threw them out a side window and into the East River directly.

[808] Yeah.

[809] It does tell you a lot that there were 650 syringes.

[810] and 1 ,200 needles, which means they probably doubled up on syringes or people were getting two shots each total, which is fucked up.

[811] You just know that something was being adjusted incorrectly or without the right thing in mind because it wasn't just what was in the IV.

[812] It was then the way it was administered.

[813] Okay, here's the grossest part.

[814] When the authorities test the samples, they're found to contain.

[815] So they test what he had been giving people.

[816] Quote, filthy, putrid, and or decomposed substances.

[817] What?

[818] That's what was in the fucking syringes.

[819] Filthy, putrid, and or decomposed substances.

[820] So, like, he wouldn't even refrigerated in that shit.

[821] I mean, he doesn't seem to be taking care in any meaningful way.

[822] Precautions, none of them.

[823] And that, I will repeat, is a HIPAA violation.

[824] The New York State Department of Education and the Attorney General's Office allege 11 charges of professional conduct and fraud against Dr. Jacobson.

[825] This includes failing to account for the drugs seized illegal possession of amphetamines and the distribution of misbranded and mislabel drugs.

[826] Altogether, authorities seize enough amphetamines for 44 ,000 doses at 15 milligrams per dose and a gallon of the sedative phenobarbital around 800 doses.

[827] So like, what's up?

[828] Everyone's like, hey, we love your drug.

[829] I can't sleep.

[830] Here's some Fiona Barbadol or whatever.

[831] Good night.

[832] It's just uppers and downers.

[833] They were doing that to Judy Garland since she was like 12 years old.

[834] She's on the list of patients, which isn't surprising to people at all.

[835] Oh, so bad.

[836] This all makes me want to go vegan for some reason.

[837] It makes me want to do drugs.

[838] I mean, vegans still do drugs, right?

[839] Oh, do they?

[840] Oh, that's true.

[841] Don't they?

[842] By this time, Dr. Jacobson has remarried to a woman named Ruth and their daughter is born in 1974.

[843] In April 1975, the state revokes Dr. Jacobson's medical license, finally, and bans him from practicing.

[844] He tries to get his license back in 1979, but the medical board refuses.

[845] They're like, this isn't the 60s anymore, friend.

[846] Yeah.

[847] Yeah.

[848] We know you were at the presidential inauguration, but...

[849] Enough of that.

[850] Enough of that.

[851] Jimmy Carter's in town, and things are getting serious.

[852] Yes.

[853] On December 17th of that year, 79 -year -old Dr. Jacobson dies, leaving behind his widow, Ruth, and their daughter, and a questionable medical legacy.

[854] And actually, Dr. Jacobson was the inspiration for a one -off character on the show Mad Men.

[855] He comes, this doctor comes into the ad agency to give everyone energy shots when they're working on a deadline for a big account.

[856] And I totally remember that, and it's based on a real character.

[857] It's not crazy?

[858] It's amazing.

[859] That's your legacy.

[860] It sucks.

[861] One thing to come out of the publicity around Dr. Jacobson's unethical, dangerous, and addictive treatments is the Controlled Substances Act.

[862] This federal law is enacted by Congress in 1970 and goes on to be enforced by the Drug Enforcement Agency, which is established in 1973.

[863] So part of the reason drugs have laws around them is because Dr. Jacobson and doctors like him who were willy -nilly and free nilly with drugs.

[864] Both willy and free nilly.

[865] Free nilly.

[866] This is what I say.

[867] My favorite movie.

[868] The new law is designed to protect the public and ensure compliance of medical professionals by regulating the manufacturing, importation, possession, and use and distribution of certain substances.

[869] And that is all partly thanks to Dr. Feelgood, aka Dr. Max Jacobson, and his lethal vitamin shots.

[870] Wow.

[871] I didn't realize it was kind of down to, I mean, I'm sure it was like a trend that other doctors picked up on and stuff.

[872] But like I didn't realize there was one main guy that kind of was like the hookup for the super elite.

[873] Totally.

[874] I bet there's so many other doctors like that we can think.

[875] Oh, absolutely.

[876] I mean, I think they were all employed by the studio system from like the dawn of show business.

[877] That's right.

[878] Yeah.

[879] Comment.

[880] If you're a drug historian, ooh, is that a job?

[881] Are there a drug historian?

[882] Drug professors, that'd be fun.

[883] Comment and tell us what we got right and what we, what I got right and wrong about that.

[884] And like, who else is there that we should look into?

[885] Well, the first thing people are going to let us know is that we're misusing the phrase HIPAA violation.

[886] That's going to happen for sure.

[887] You know what?

[888] Them telling us that we are is a HIPAA violation.

[889] And I just want to say that.

[890] That's our HIPAA violation.

[891] You're violating our HIPAAs by that kind of.

[892] feedback.

[893] Yeah.

[894] That idea that like introducing like amphetamines without people knowing it into their lives.

[895] Right.

[896] So you're getting, it is a little bit like inducing, like a mental condition.

[897] Yeah.

[898] Because you're up, up, then you're down, down, down, like the whole cycle.

[899] And to not at least make people aware of like, you don't just feel good because of vitamin B12 and zinc or whatever, you know.

[900] I mean, that feeling you get when you're up, up, up is so addictive.

[901] That's exactly what it is.

[902] And so, of course, people are going to want to continue doing that to their own detriment.

[903] That's the whole fucking point of drugs and what they do.

[904] And then to be getting them from what's supposed to be a trusted source is just, is like, just dark and fucked up.

[905] It's horrible.

[906] And also because it's like, for many people, I'm sure it was like, I lost all this weight without even thinking about it.

[907] It's all that kind of thing.

[908] of like the glamour.

[909] Yeah.

[910] But it's so the other side of that.

[911] We say it all the time on this podcast.

[912] There's no such thing as a free lunch.

[913] So if you're losing a bunch of weight that something else is going to have.

[914] There's always another side to things.

[915] There's so rarely is anything just like clean on the deal.

[916] And it's like just because the doctor says it doesn't mean that's...

[917] Second opinions.

[918] Real.

[919] Yes.

[920] Other doctors.

[921] Like go find an angry doctor who's like has something contrary to say.

[922] about it.

[923] Yeah, jovial doctors, they'll tell you anything you want to fucking hear.

[924] But get a nice old cranky doctor who knows this stuff and thinks it's bullshit.

[925] I had the best cranky doctor for a long time who would just like sit there and tell me why I was wrong about something I wanted.

[926] I was just like, oh, I like you.

[927] You're right.

[928] If you just like said yes to me about getting Xanax, I would have not trusted you anymore.

[929] So the fact that you're lecturing me about why I can't have Xanax makes me like you more.

[930] Absolutely.

[931] That's the oath they take.

[932] I'm pretty sure they take an oath about that.

[933] It's called a HIPAA oath.

[934] It's a HIPAA violation oath where they promise to never violate your HIPAA and really just keep an eye out.

[935] Get your hands off my HIPAA.

[936] Get out of here.

[937] All right, should we do a couple of fucking hoorayes just to end this beauty?

[938] Sure.

[939] You want to go first?

[940] You want me to go first.

[941] I'll go first.

[942] Okay.

[943] You just talked for 40 minutes.

[944] Thank you so much.

[945] I appreciate you.

[946] Let me. This is very sweet.

[947] It just says, my husband and I set up my cousin and one of our good friends a couple years ago, and today, October 1st, 2022, we officiated their wedding.

[948] Cheers to the newlywights and shout out to the bride.

[949] She knows who she is if she ever catches up to this episode, and then there's no name.

[950] So I guess whoever you are that got married on October 1st, 22, and you were set up by your cousin and one of your good friends, congratulations.

[951] Congratulations.

[952] That's beautiful.

[953] Okay, this one says, yeah.

[954] Hello, MFM fam.

[955] Long -time listener, first -time writer, I'll keep it short and sweet.

[956] After 21 years living as an undocumented American, three as a resident alien, and thousands of dollars in applications, translations, and other shit.

[957] I finally have my citizenship test and interview on October 25th.

[958] Fucking hooray, much love, Val, she, her.

[959] Wow, that's big.

[960] Yeah.

[961] Congratulations, Val.

[962] I didn't realize it took.

[963] It takes so much.

[964] Yeah.

[965] That's really great.

[966] It's so much bigger than anyone realizes and here.

[967] So I think that's incredible and what a fighter.

[968] It's awesome.

[969] Yeah.

[970] Okay.

[971] This one, it says, my sister's a veterinarian, so too busy and too humble to share the story.

[972] At her clinic, a dog was brought in having an anaphylactic allergic reaction, thus life -threatening breathing problems.

[973] The dog needed to be transported to an emergency clinic and wouldn't survive the trip.

[974] So one of the vet techs, and then it says, grab your tissues, lent her oxygen tank to the dog for the trip.

[975] The vet tech at the time was going through chemo and was using an oxygen tank from time to time, but needed it with her in case of emergencies.

[976] So an emergency occurred and she saved the dog's life.

[977] Good humans do exist.

[978] Stay sexy and I don't know.

[979] Fuck cancer and save dogs.

[980] Jess.

[981] Oh my God.

[982] Isn't that amazing?

[983] That's beautiful.

[984] Oh, giving.

[985] Incredible.

[986] All right, my last one.

[987] Hello, my favorite people.

[988] This weekend, as a 31 -year -old, I came out as gay for the first time to my first person.

[989] I told my cousin, who was also gay, and she welcomed me with the most open arms into my new life, aka the life I've been desperately wanting to live for all of time.

[990] I have many more people to inform.

[991] and that prospect terrifies me, but I've taken the first step and I am damn proud.

[992] Fucking hooray for being who you were meant to be.

[993] Love and appreciate you for everything, Kate.

[994] Congratulations, Kate.

[995] Congratulations, Kate.

[996] What a beautiful thing and how lucky Kate you are to have a cousin to go to.

[997] That's right.

[998] That's beautiful.

[999] Good luck and congratulations.

[1000] I love that all of our fucking hooray's are people who are like, here's the strongest thing I've ever done in my life.

[1001] And here's what a badass I'm.

[1002] Those are like the best fucking hooray as we get.

[1003] For real.

[1004] There's so many great ones.

[1005] Thanks you guys for sending them in.

[1006] And thanks for listening this week.

[1007] Georgia did all the work.

[1008] I just got to riff and talk about, you know, HIPAA laws, which is my passion.

[1009] That's right.

[1010] But we really appreciate you being here with us.

[1011] You do.

[1012] You know, stay sexy.

[1013] And don't get murdered.

[1014] Goodbye.

[1015] Elvis, do you want a cookie?

[1016] This has been an exactly right production.

[1017] Our senior producer is Hannah Kyle Crichton.

[1018] Our producer is Alejandra Keck.

[1019] This episode was engineered and mixed by Stephen Ray Morris.

[1020] Our researchers are Marin McClashen and Gemma Harris.

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