#1600 - Lex Fridman

[0] Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

[1] The Joe Rogan Experience.

[2] Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

[3] Rex, I had a surprise boy, but it didn't work out.

[4] I had a suit and a tie, and I was going to come in dressed like you.

[5] Exactly.

[6] Yes, full on, white shirt, suit, tie.

[7] Fitted?

[8] Yes, fitted.

[9] But the problem is my fucking shirt was at the cleaners.

[10] So then I tried to use, have some other white shirts that are like these really stretchy shirts that you can wear them if they're open but if I'm trying to put a tie on they literally don't fit around my neck so I'm doing this and I'm killing myself and I'm like well maybe I'll leave it open and they're just dressing up like first day of school yeah I appreciate it I was I'm honored I was gonna mimic you yeah yeah do you know remember Michael Miles yes he actually I did a podcast with him and he he wore a the opposite which is a white tie suit and a white tie and a black shirt I mean he is sort of the epitome of the loving kind of troll that's like the ultimate troll he wore the exact opposite he got the exact same haircut as me which i don't even know what that means exactly just got your hair short yeah that's all that means but it it was uh it was a magical moment that's what trolling at his best does it's like you feel loved oh that's funny he's an interesting guy michael mouse is a very interesting guy because uh he's got some wacky beliefs that I don't believe, I don't subscribe to it all.

[11] Yeah, complete anarchy.

[12] No police.

[13] I don't think we should have police.

[14] Like, I'm like, what world are you living in it?

[15] You weigh three pounds and you don't even have a gun.

[16] You know, police?

[17] Like, what are you talking about?

[18] But he's a brilliant guy.

[19] Brilliant.

[20] It's interesting.

[21] I don't subscribe to a lot of his ideas, but I think he's also always has a half smile when he's saying things.

[22] Yeah.

[23] So you kind of never know.

[24] I don't think he means half the things he says.

[25] Really?

[26] So, I don't know, he's, he's underneath it all, which is why I talk to him, which is why I consider him a friend.

[27] There's a really kind person in there.

[28] Yes.

[29] And, but he says things like, yeah, like police is the enemy.

[30] It's like, wait a minute.

[31] And you live in New York.

[32] So he plays with ideas.

[33] It feels like he's just somebody who's juggling with different ideas and having fun with it, not taking anything seriously.

[34] And that's really refreshing because in the best light, that's a fear.

[35] way to see the world.

[36] And also, he's working on this concept of, I think he calls it the white pill, you know, like red pill and blue pill.

[37] The white pill is basically, you know, I think he's highlighting that for red -pilled folks that there's sometimes a cynicism about the future of the world.

[38] And the white pill is seeing the truth of the world, but being optimistic about it and thinking like we can actually make things better.

[39] So not becoming cynical.

[40] Not saying, like, you know, globalists, the government is ultimately, like, power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[41] It's always going to be a bureaucracy.

[42] It's always going to be greedy people who take power and take control.

[43] So that's like the cynical, the negative view.

[44] But the positive, the white pill view is that, you know, we can actually build a better world.

[45] I mean, he has ideas about how to build that better world that I don't agree with.

[46] What is his ideas?

[47] I'm not sure I've quite understood them, but because ultimately he's a counterpuncher, which is, you know, government, all government is bad.

[48] So that's the idea of anarchism is that you're supposed to, in this emergent way, you know, form groups and agree together how those groups should operate.

[49] I'm not articulating that.

[50] Isn't that like a local government?

[51] It's a local government.

[52] So his biggest problem is that we're born in this geographical space and are assigned to a particular government without having chosen it.

[53] So he wants to do exactly what we're doing now, but choose our government.

[54] Well, isn't that what happens when you move to a different state?

[55] I think so.

[56] Different state, that's the whole idea of...

[57] It's one of the reasons why I'm here.

[58] Yeah.

[59] You're an anarchist, bro.

[60] I guess.

[61] I am.

[62] If you consider California the status quo, I'm an anarchist.

[63] That's right.

[64] This is the headline now.

[65] The current.

[66] Joe Rogan says, Current California is, I mean, if that, if rebellion against that form of government, draconian measures, they put in with the lockdowns and then allowing people to camp everywhere.

[67] Yeah, but he also says, I think, that we're in a state of anarchy between different nations, because you can choose to immigrate to a different nation.

[68] And then they operate.

[69] There's no, I think there's, you know, the UN and so on, there's agreements between nations, but they operate as independent entities.

[70] I don't know and his idea is like remove as much as possible it's like libertarian plus plus like remove as much control from the government as possible so that's great until somebody robs you yeah I think so too so this is the the capitalist view I think I don't know I don't want to miss these terms but the step back from the anarchist view is you know we should get government out of most things but the violence thing we should let government protect us from so the military the police you know and and things like firefighters and all those kinds of things i mean those that forms the fabric of society that can be stable and operate well and we could do all of them amazing things in terms of uh building new businesses doing science doing you know all the kinds of entrepreneurship just everything that makes this capitalist United States of America possible, like all the freedoms we enjoy.

[71] It, at least to me, feels like the violence thing has to be removed off the table.

[72] Yeah.

[73] Yeah, that's the biggest problem.

[74] Because when you have violence, you don't get anything done.

[75] Like, societies didn't really form in the sense that we like we have now.

[76] I would imagine until they developed agriculture in cities, right?

[77] Where they figured out a way to put walls up and fortify them and keep the barbarians out, and go okay I'm thinking about a thing it's called a wheel they start they're putting ideas together if you just relax write stuff write ideas down on paper yeah and we're talking about physical violence yes like literally barbarians not like calling you the wrong pronoun yeah exactly yeah so I mean he but I feel like and Tim Dillon does this really well as well is there's like a humor to it where you're almost taking down the powerful by not taking them seriously?

[78] He's one of the best alive at it.

[79] Tim Dillon is one of the best I've ever seen.

[80] One of the best I've ever seen at making fun of things while pretending to be serious.

[81] Yeah.

[82] His YouTube is hilarious.

[83] He's amazing.

[84] I love that guy to death.

[85] And he has a free pass because he's gay.

[86] So he gets away with so much more.

[87] And he doesn't seem gay.

[88] Like my wife doesn't even believe.

[89] She's like, I don't even believe he's gay.

[90] she's laughing about it she's joking but he's just a he's a one of a kind yeah really is a one of a kind Kamla has already arrested me not mad though just enjoying the moment his Twitter's a fucking it's a work of art I mean it really is his Twitter feeds amazing what did you say that bert made a video of the homeless it was on his Instagram I'll see if I can pull it up to her dirt crusher he was driving up Highland Avenue in Hollywood and was just saying like he wasn't shown the whole video during it but he was like at a stoplight and there was tents the whole way up here and he was like, this is also a really nice tent.

[91] It's, people want me to talk to Burke because of this Russian story.

[92] Oh, hi, Bert.

[93] Look at Bert.

[94] The machine.

[95] Oh, it's in his Instagram story.

[96] That motherfucker, his stories will go on for years.

[97] He does him every 15 seconds.

[98] It might even be deleted now.

[99] It's crazy.

[100] Productivity -wise, he's basically the Elon Musk of Instagram stories.

[101] Maybe you took it off because it's not showing up.

[102] Or it could be one of these.

[103] is it well there's so there it is there's tents all the way up on highland people living on the side of the street this is fucking insane this is literally hundreds of tents everywhere uh by the way that's a nice fucking tent also those are two very nice tents i wonder if the city's giving them out because we don't have a tent that nice i mean i'm not even joking our tent isn't even that nice wow that's uh that's a tiny image he showed you know you didn't get to see the real homeless situation but Bridget Fetese sent me a video when she was driving by Venice and it's a minute and a half long of just straight tense as she's driving down the road just nothing but tense yeah how do you put that genie back in the bottle Lex well that this is oh you mean it's a slippery slope now listen I've been thinking about you know a bunch of tech folks are moving to Austin right in terms of uh in terms of starting businesses so that's one of the questions they're asking like where's this headed?

[104] And you're talking about the homeless problem.

[105] Well, the governor just today came out and said that if the city does not reimpose a ban on camping, that the state is going to step in.

[106] Well, yeah.

[107] Because people are, there's safety concerns.

[108] People are openly defecating on the streets.

[109] There's, you know, it's not nearly as bad here as it is in California, but it's way worse here than I've ever seen it before.

[110] But, you know, homelessness is, it feels like that's a symptom not the problem right i mean is that uh it's hard to say because homelessness was horrific in san francisco before the pandemic right and the concern is that when you are too lenient on the homeless folks and just allow them to camp whenever they were wherever they want shit wherever they want they just do it and if you don't put up rules if you try to be progressive and open -minded it's like these are they like they have new words for them like the unhoused and shit like that and when you do that you open up the door for more of them to migrate there because there's like there was a video that somebody put up of them interviewing these homeless guys and like why do you like san francisco and they said first of all they give us food they give us money they let us you know they're they're really loose they let us camp wherever we want and these guys had moved to san francisco to be homeless which is a problem but see just like you said that problem is tied up with the fact that a lot of people are are struggling financially because of COVID.

[111] So it's like it feels like trying to solve the homelessness problem is in direct tension with trying to take care of people who are struggling.

[112] Well, I think it shows that there's a problem with people losing a place to live and that the solution is not necessarily let them camp out anywhere they want.

[113] I think there should be some sort of a step that the government takes, whether it's to develop housing or to build something for them.

[114] them, but when you let them just camp and shit everywhere, then you ruin all the other spaces.

[115] Like, the best way to keep the city intact and to try to help these people is to implement some sort of a program where you provide housing for them.

[116] Letting them just camp on the street, that's chaos.

[117] Like, now you've fucked up everything.

[118] So this particular state government just seems incompetent at solving this particular problem, but it also seems to be not very good at solving some other problems, right?

[119] in terms of encouraging businesses to stay there?

[120] California.

[121] California, sorry.

[122] Well, it's over -regulated.

[123] It's a crazy regulated state.

[124] You know, and it's also very high taxes.

[125] And there's a lot of people that are recognizing that there's other places that don't have any state taxes.

[126] Like, why would I stay in a place that's described?

[127] They're telling you you can't work.

[128] They're closing down businesses.

[129] Gavin Newsom today, there's a lawsuit got filed by more than 50 San Francisco, Bay, area restaurants and bars trying to say like why why are we closed like this doesn't make any sense you should you can't just keep doing this forever and some places are starting to wake up my hope is that a lot of this is political as gross as that sounds and that now that Biden and Harris are in that they'll open things back up and the mayor of Chicago said this the mayor of New York has said we have to open things back up and I'm hoping interesting I'm hoping that they take this chance it could go the other way as well though right it's uh the other way is now that there is a uh a democrat in office that they could see there as a pass to to pass further regulations and push this closed economy go into uh lockdown further why would they do that though i listen i was always thought it was a terrible idea the long -term consequences on the economy are going to be potentially orders and magnitude worse on our, like, the fabric of our society.

[130] So I don't know why they would do that.

[131] The, so the devil on my shoulder.

[132] Okay, Michael's the devil.

[133] Wearing a white suit.

[134] Or the devil wears a suit in tie, right?

[135] Yeah.

[136] That's a badass.

[137] I've been listening to that.

[138] How good is that guy?

[139] That guy's amazing.

[140] Coulter wall.

[141] And your story, sorry, in a small tangent, your story that he doesn't, he hasn't been on your podcast because...

[142] He's working on a ranch.

[143] Like, as a fucking rancher.

[144] This guy's legit.

[145] Like, we reached out to them.

[146] He's like, well, he's working on the ranch right now.

[147] Like, what is he doing on that ranch?

[148] He's a fucking cowboy, like a legit cowboy.

[149] Like, there's literally no more badass thing to do than turn down Joe Rogan experience appearance.

[150] Massive promotion.

[151] He's like, eh, I'd rather just rope steers.

[152] But the Michael Malice devil argument is that, you know, that's one way for the government to gain more control over the populace is to fear mongers say that there's a big problem and that magnify the sort of the narrative around how big that problem is and unfortunately from my perspective as a scientist to use scientists to say look scientists are saying there's a huge problem sort of use science as a tool of fearmongering and then gain further and further control of the populace that's the devil on the on the shoulder you have to have a incentive to do that.

[153] Why would they want that kind of control while also devastating the economy?

[154] They need the economy because they need tax revenue.

[155] If they're not getting tax revenue, how are they going to feed the military industrial complex?

[156] How are they going to feed all their businesses?

[157] How are they going to feed the pharmaceutical industry?

[158] All these people that finance their campaigns and all these banks that pay for them to speak after they get out of office, where's the money coming from now if there's no economy?

[159] I don't think that I think that's like one of them doom and gloom Q and on type deals where people are thinking like this is they want to kill half the population and you know yeah no I agree with you everything you said incentive wise it makes sense I was really confused why we haven't done for example mass scale testing of everybody which seemed like you know the antigen tests which can be under a dollar to manufacture manufacturers of hundreds of millions of them at home testing of everybody is it under a dollar to manufacture yeah real and now yeah so you can start April or May of last year start mass manufacture there's no reason we can't do that and then everybody starts getting tested at the individual level you know the accuracy is not perfect but at the societal level that's one way if you get a negative test you're dead sorry if you get a positive test you definitely have COVID and so based on that trusting the individuals not tracking them but trusting the individuals when they get a positive test that they will stay home and through that process we would have been able to open up the economy in the summer like that uh michael minna i think from harvard is uh people should go follow on twitter or wherever he's been screaming about this like why the hell is fda getting in in the way of this uh so the fda doesn't like crappy at home tests they they want like expensive nice test.

[160] But the problem with expensive nice test, it's hard to manufacture them on that scale.

[161] So there's, you know, people should go read his stuff.

[162] He's an actual expert of this.

[163] Do the crappy at home tests have a lot of false positives?

[164] False.

[165] No, they have false negatives.

[166] So meaning if you get a positive, for sure you have it.

[167] Is that true?

[168] Because we've had guys that got false positives with the rapid antigen test.

[169] The rapid antigen test?

[170] Yeah.

[171] So, okay, everything coming out of my mouth now is kind of crappily, uh, uh, uh, you might be correct.

[172] You need whiskey.

[173] This is what you need.

[174] I, I, I, I, some Whitmire's Texas single barrel.

[175] Come on, son.

[176] All right, Joe.

[177] You want, do you want to drink some whiskey?

[178] Just to clear the mind.

[179] Like that sound?

[180] That's the sound of bad decision making about to come up.

[181] Um, ice or no ice?

[182] Uh, no ice, please.

[183] Oh, like a man. I love it.

[184] fucking Russians, savage people.

[185] Well, definitely not vodka, though, because I can drink whiskey in moderation.

[186] Can't drink vodka in moderation?

[187] You just start going hard?

[188] What is it?

[189] We got some of that.

[190] No, no, no, no. Cheers, sir.

[191] Cheers.

[192] Good to see you, man. Good to see you.

[193] How long are you down for?

[194] Anywhere from one week to five years.

[195] You're so free.

[196] I love how you live, man. It's beautiful.

[197] Because of your podcast, you can really do.

[198] whatever you want whenever you want to do it it's kind of amazing it's the texas way but it is the russian slash texas way but i like i like boston too i'm afraid of silicon valley now yeah everybody everybody inside sylcon valley all my friends that work there all the great entrepreneurs all the people that work in big companies google and so on say do not move here i you know here's childlike naive me like taxing oh what are the cool places to live there it's like all cabs do not move Wyoming get out now I don't understand they don't actually don't provide good reasons like the tax thing isn't the reason they provide crime Elon told me 12 of his friends have been robbed 12 of his friends have been assaulted and robbed yeah he's like it's dangerous so culturally the whole kind of defund the police culture that affecting the uh of the stability of the society.

[199] There's that, but there's also just rampant homelessness and people with mental health problems and drug addicts.

[200] And they need to fuel their problem.

[201] You know, there was a show where they parked cars in San Francisco to see how long it took for the car got broken into, and then they put, you know, surveillance camera to watch it.

[202] And it was crazy.

[203] You parked the car, and then five minutes later, people would look it around, look around, just pull out a hammer out of a bag, smash and grab.

[204] You just leave a bag in there so it looks like there might be something in the bag.

[205] It was crazy.

[206] They watched over and over and over again.

[207] People do this in a place where it's literally the highest real estate in the state and one of the most wealthy places on earth.

[208] San Francisco is incredibly wealthy.

[209] And you have homelessness everywhere, crime everywhere.

[210] There's an app that you can get where you can track the human defecation throughout the city.

[211] Yeah.

[212] Why would you live there?

[213] well the question is if you want to build in the tech space if you want to build a company to do something cool I don't care if with that a little app or change the world it's some large scale thing where do you go right here baby Austin Texas come all son but for the longest time has been Silicon Valley right I'm trying to talk everybody cool and moving here Fahima Noir is moving here one of the best comics in L .A.?

[214] Awesome so So, uh, yeah, Elon has moved here.

[215] So he's, he's been, uh, he's kind of the reason that's making me think, like, it's very possible that this becomes in the good sense where the, the crazy, the wild entrepreneurs move.

[216] So the, the tech, the cool Silicon Valley, uh, moves.

[217] It's very possible.

[218] Like you.

[219] Like you.

[220] Like you.

[221] Like you.

[222] Yeah.

[223] Well, I heard you ate at Terry Blacks.

[224] But you have to.

[225] Yeah.

[226] Terry Blacks.

[227] Yeah.

[228] It's topking your tracks, didn't it?

[229] Exactly, exactly like you said.

[230] People, first of all, it was amazing.

[231] And then, of course, there's people who are like, oh, no, well, that, yes, Terry Blacks is amazing, but you should try this other place, so on and so forth.

[232] There's all kinds of great barbecue here.

[233] They're right.

[234] Franklin's is all, look at that.

[235] Woo!

[236] People were like, that's too dry.

[237] Okay, I get it.

[238] No, no, no, no. It is not too dry.

[239] That's a photograph, you fucks.

[240] Not only that, it's with an Android phone.

[241] How do you know it's an Android?

[242] Because you're an Android guy You've committed to that platform It's very admirable You don't give a fuck about that green text bubble Oh yeah yeah Well try it signal You and I had an extensive conversation That signal Like one message back and forth Yeah well we can keep going But it seemed to be like we just text each other I don't mind green It's one of my favorite colors I don't mind the green bubble But I think it's a funny thing with people You know I just I'm more invested in the Apple Eco system and I use AirDrop a lot amongst friends and I know they have a Samsung has an equivalent to AirDrop now that's supposed to be pretty functional.

[243] Samsung Galaxy S -21 the greatest phone coming out soon.

[244] Ultra.

[245] Ultra is the big one?

[246] That's the good one.

[247] Yeah.

[248] Yeah, Phantom Black.

[249] Looks good on you.

[250] I feel like I was sponsored to say this, but I hope I was.

[251] I hope I get a free phone out of this.

[252] MKBHD had a great review of the Ultra.

[253] He makes it very, very, exciting.

[254] Yeah, he makes everything exciting.

[255] He's great.

[256] Everything just looks super sharp and crisp and sexy.

[257] Just everything.

[258] I just want to buy all of whatever he's like.

[259] He's so smooth.

[260] Yeah.

[261] He's so smooth.

[262] He's so nonchal.

[263] Yeah.

[264] He's so just relax.

[265] He's an Android guy.

[266] You know, there's a lot of those tech guys that review things are Android guys because you're constantly taking your SIM card out of one phone and putting in another.

[267] I got an iPhone 12 and I tried to get it registered at Verizon it took an hour and a half it didn't work I bought it online at the Apple store I got it delivered took an hour and a half to get like we can't figure out how to do this then we might have to change your plan I'm like Jesus fucking Christ finally they got it they got it up and running I'm like oh it's great it's different it's more square same fucking phone it's not much different right for what I do I mean I'm not playing games I'm just making phone calls and taking pictures the camera on the 11 was awesome camera on the 12's awesome the next morning on my way to the fucking airport and it just stops working just completely stopped working wouldn't make phone calls i couldn't call verizon on it couldn't do anything it just it said please contact verizon and i'm like oh you sons of bitches so then i had to call them and i just reactivated my 11 yeah i have this fucking brick of a 12 just sitting in my dresser hmm it's like the buying the treadmill that you never use or jami and i were just talking about uh Ableton Live push.

[268] Sorry, what's it?

[269] What is it?

[270] Yeah, that's a little deep.

[271] It's a musical instrument, like, tool.

[272] So actually Grimes uses that to compose for music.

[273] What is it?

[274] It's a thing that, so there's a recording software called Ableton Live, and there's a push device where you can, like, tap it to do a beat, like, do, do, and you can, like, mix stuff.

[275] You can loop things.

[276] Oh, okay.

[277] And there's people online, you can watch, and they do, like, they create, like, incredible.

[278] Yeah.

[279] Oh, that looks dope.

[280] That looks like a giant Simon Says machine.

[281] Doesn't it look like something you want to learn and use to create cool stuff?

[282] So I got it like two years ago.

[283] What you make out of it is what you decide.

[284] Play melodies and chords in any key.

[285] Oh, this is like a commercial.

[286] It's like the ad for it, yeah.

[287] It does look pretty dope.

[288] Well, but the point is it's a symbol of all my failures in life because I've gotten who's been sitting in a box just looking at me, just like that brick of a far.

[289] just saying this is this is why you're a failure because you can't take three or four hours to read a fucking manual or tutorial or learn how to actually use this maybe a YouTube video would get you well no it gets as I was talking to Jamie is it gets you in a way it's both exciting inspiring and depressing because they're so good and they make it look so easy like look you just tap a beat and you can start but when you actually like start to learn how to use it like ABLEton live the software you realize there's all these buttons and you yeah there's there's all these things you have to like how do I even record just the basic just even our conversation how do I record that and and then you have to realize there's like shortcuts you have to learn you basically have to sit down embrace the suck embrace the learning curve of saying okay on on Monday I'm going to read this tutorial and I'm going to get it done and you know learn something new and and you know You know, doing that alone is really difficult when nobody's really pushing you.

[290] I don't know.

[291] That's probably a metaphor for a lot of things we fail to do in life.

[292] It's like always putting it off and putting it off and putting it off.

[293] It's something that actually will probably bring, like me in this case, a lot of joy.

[294] I'm sure you're accurate.

[295] Right.

[296] But you have to be a little bit less harsh in yourself because you're very productive.

[297] The problem with you is you do so many things.

[298] Right.

[299] between jiu -jitsu and working out and having fucking phone calls with david guggins where he talks you into things okay can i just talk about that for a second okay okay so this is why this is you told me before not to read comments but i do write comments on instagram and his he's he put a story out i think yesterday uh saying that he's doing the 48 mile challenge again four by four by 48 where you run four miles every four hours and like a like a fucking idiot i commented i thought like nobody would know i could just like i said i'm in i wrote i wrote i'm in and i thought i would get like positive like and then people would be like oh cool like talk to me about it and i could do it peacefully at home so it's march fifth i think is when he's doing it which is nice he announced it like down the line a little bit uh he calls me with Within seconds of me posted that.

[300] He's like...

[301] Lex, good to hear from you.

[302] Yeah, what's up, brother?

[303] Stay hard.

[304] I'm in.

[305] There you are.

[306] Oh, my God.

[307] Yeah.

[308] Then he calls, and he's like...

[309] Let me hear his video.

[310] Let me hear what he says.

[311] Started for the beginning.

[312] For some of you who don't know what that is, basically you run four miles every four hours for 48 hours.

[313] Some of you out here don't like running, can't run, you have bad knees, bad hips, bad ankles.

[314] Walk.

[315] Do whatever you can do, you know, in that period of time when you're supposed to be working out.

[316] So that being said, a lot of you out here did it last year.

[317] It was a huge success.

[318] Make sure that you have, you know, like logistics set up.

[319] There's going to be times a night when you're running at 4 o 'clock, you know, in the morning, midnight, different times, you know.

[320] the fucking boogeyman comes out at nighttime.

[321] So make sure that you have, you know, safety parameters in place, well with somebody.

[322] Do whatever the fuck you have to do to keep yourself safe?

[323] Just like last year.

[324] All right.

[325] That said, this year I want to give away some items, and I've been talking about a lot more, but I have some new shorts in stock.

[326] So this year, I'm doing tons of giveaways for those of you who go above and beyond.

[327] And what that means is some people last year raised thousands of dollars.

[328] This is all for charity.

[329] Tons of people got tons of people involved in the four by four by 48.

[330] Several things they did.

[331] Outside the box thinking to raise awareness for their causes, their charities, raise awareness for fitness.

[332] Whatever it was, it was great to see that.

[333] Last year I had nothing to give away.

[334] I just saw these amazing stories.

[335] I was being tagged in amazing stories.

[336] Didn't have anything to give away.

[337] This year, that's a different fucking story.

[338] I have a lot of things to give away.

[339] This is like the nice version of Deiogga.

[340] It's the thoughtful version.

[341] This one here is one of them.

[342] I think it's taking souls down the back.

[343] I also have this shirt right here.

[344] I'll be giving away.

[345] This is a new stay hard shirt.

[346] Okay.

[347] So the thing is, he's like, why don't you come down and we'll do it together?

[348] And so him and I are going to do it together.

[349] You're going to do it in Vegas?

[350] Yeah.

[351] Oh, Jesus Christ.

[352] And he says, but...

[353] So you'll stay for two days with him in Vegas.

[354] Yeah, with him.

[355] But this is not like...

[356] Jimmy Jenkins.

[357] I feel like that's not...

[358] I mean, it sounds like fun, but that's not a good idea.

[359] There's not a good idea.

[360] Trust him.

[361] Because you're not sleeping.

[362] So it's 48 hours of no sleep with David Gaghan's, like, alone.

[363] Plus, he says we're going to do a bunch of other crazy shit, like extra shit.

[364] And then he suggested that the kind of shit that would break me. Oh, my boy.

[365] I was like, I was like, all right.

[366] But, of course, the...

[367] Have you ever thought about joining the Navy Seals?

[368] No. I do not want to join the Navy Seals.

[369] I'm going to carry the boat.

[370] Who's going to carry the boat?

[371] I want to be in the boat.

[372] I don't want to carry the boat.

[373] But that said, listen, it's all fun.

[374] It's pretty easy.

[375] 48 miles is rough, but it's like...

[376] That's why you can't learn that machine.

[377] What do you mean?

[378] That electronic music machine.

[379] That's why you don't have any fucking time.

[380] But those are the demons you have to face.

[381] I'll be thinking about that electronic machine the whole time I'm running with them.

[382] No, but, you know, it's a good test.

[383] It's a good test of, like, going to the limit.

[384] It's the thing he talks about, right?

[385] Whatever, whatever that percent is, 10 percent, 40 percent.

[386] 40 percent.

[387] That, you know, just take your mind to the limit and push further.

[388] And he's a good person to do it with.

[389] How are your knees?

[390] Good.

[391] So I've never had trouble.

[392] Well, you know, knock on wood, never had trouble.

[393] Really?

[394] All your jiu -jitsu?

[395] No knee trouble?

[396] I've never been injured in jiu -jitsu.

[397] That's amazing.

[398] Like really hard training.

[399] I think it was, because of the wrestling background, I've always approached everything in training with the following thought.

[400] Like, how can I train really hard, like twice a day?

[401] How can I put in a three -hour, four -hour sessions of training with killers without getting injured?

[402] So don't, you know, make sure there's a strong frames, like just working on all the stabilizers, making sure to not want to the ego, it's like silence in the ego.

[403] just, you know, if somebody is being rough in a way or somebody is much better than me in a way that puts me in compromising positions, not in terms of being submitted, but in terms of just like putting pressure on some body parts that's going to break me, like I can tell, like it'll lead to injuries, I'll, like, I'll not have my ego and try to beat them.

[404] I'll flow with it more.

[405] And just making sure I put in the miles versus like, uh, the, uh, the, um, the, wins, the individual wins along the way.

[406] And so maximizing that allowed me to just be lucky, honestly, because he can be just unlucky.

[407] Yeah, one of my worst injuries was unlucky.

[408] One of my ACL snaps was working out with a guy who's like really cool, easy to work out with, training.

[409] We were, I was passing his guard.

[410] I was in half guard, and my leg was sideways, and he did a lockdown, sideways.

[411] So, you know, lockdown normally extends you out this way, but it went that way.

[412] Right.

[413] So it was like, he, like, locked me out that way.

[414] Yeah.

[415] And it just popped because I was trying.

[416] It was really, it wasn't a wise position to be in, right?

[417] Right.

[418] Especially with the ghee because there's no friction.

[419] I mean, there's too much friction, rather.

[420] I couldn't turn my knee over and slip out of it.

[421] I really should have gotten myself in a better position and just use my shin and in -step and tried to push my way out or tried some other methods to get out of the half -guard.

[422] But I tried to sit sideways, and I, I was going to just try to, and he extended his leg, and I just, well, it was like a carrot.

[423] Yeah.

[424] It didn't even hurt.

[425] It was crazy.

[426] I was like, ah!

[427] And then he goes, you okay?

[428] I'm like, I think so.

[429] Hold on a second.

[430] And then I moved around a little.

[431] I'm like, it doesn't even hurt, but it just popped the ligament off.

[432] Yeah, I think the lockdown is a really perfect position.

[433] Like, there's very few people in this world that can put me in lockdown because I'm so afraid of that position because of the injury.

[434] So, like, I'm very cautious.

[435] And if they do, I'm not, this isn't like a challenge.

[436] Sorry for me, sounds like that.

[437] Obviously, there's a million people.

[438] way better than me and they put they can put me in lockdown but I'm very careful to avoid that position because I know how compromising it can put the the knee in the knee yeah the uh and it's funny enough is you know like usually the better the person the more you can trust them to do the lockdown in the way that so like certainly the more you know you judge people I try not to judge people in regular life but in jiu jits i'll judge them harshly in a sense i'll pick people who are not uh like like don't move in sudden ways that are just unexpected right so the the kind of people i love training hard with are the people who are exceptionally good but they move in ways that are like they flow they flow but are not like the ben askins of the world that are funky that are creative the names are slipping in my mind of all the different jihadism people who are super creative they kind of surprise you with their creativity I like like Hodger Gracie style You would hate rolling with Eddie Bravo then I put you in some weird spots Right but I wouldn't have an ego There's like hard training where you're trying to win and trying to improve And there's training where you're like learning from each other right with him he's already like probably several words of magnitude better than me so there's no reason for me to like try to beat him so but like lockdown's a good example of a position that kind of scares me in terms of just the pressure puts on the on the knees yeah he's got a very unusual game too like his students have a very unusual game like uh richie martinez a boogeyman has this crazy guard game and if you're not accustomed to to someone who's got that level of flexibility.

[439] I'm talking about Richie before, too, because he comes from a weird background.

[440] He's a breakdancer.

[441] And because of that break dancing, he has incredible body control.

[442] You know, break dancers, like people that think of break dancers, they don't necessarily equate it with, like, these incredibly athletic people.

[443] But my God, the breakdancers of today, follow stance elements on Instagram.

[444] The break dancer?

[445] Yeah, no, it's a page that's dedicated to break dancing.

[446] It is wild.

[447] We played one the other night with Jordan Burroughs, because Jordan Burroughs was kind of making fun of breakdancing.

[448] I'm like, dude, watch this.

[449] And there's this guy, I forget his name.

[450] I forget the guy's name.

[451] The craziest guy, his name is, yeah, that's guy.

[452] That's B -Boy Tata.

[453] As a Russian, I approve of the track suit.

[454] You've got to see this guy breakdance, though.

[455] Like, the shit that he does.

[456] If you can go to Stance Element, well, let's see what he does here.

[457] Look at this.

[458] What the fuck?

[459] He's on one hand bouncing around.

[460] like he weighs two pounds and he's a big guy he's a big athletic guy and he can he's doing freakish shit man timing balance the general body awareness that's incredible all of it but the strength his feet don't even touch the ground imagine how good that guy be good at jiu jitsu or oh my god oh without a doubt but he's also like incredibly powerful like uh the stance elements video go to the stance elements page because there's a there's a video of him in uh oh let's look at us that's hilarious um if you see this stance elements page though scroll down to the video of him with uh i think he's got i think he's got red track suit on there too no scroll they they post a lot of stuff this this might there it is right there watch this just watch this look at that what in the hell i mean dude And there's a lot of creativity in that too, so it's not just like gymnasts have athleticism that's also incredible for martial arts, but this has just like creativity.

[461] And he's doing it to music, and he's dancing to music.

[462] I mean, it's phenomenal.

[463] There's another guy called B -Boy Pocket Kim.

[464] Have you ever seen that guy?

[465] He doesn't even seem real.

[466] Like literally doesn't seem real.

[467] The guy's abilities, that's him in the upper right -hand corner, Jamie.

[468] Right.

[469] Click on that.

[470] Watch this dude.

[471] because this literally does not seem real.

[472] Look at that.

[473] What the fuck, man?

[474] What the hell?

[475] He's amazing.

[476] What's that called?

[477] Oh, look at it.

[478] It's me talking about him.

[479] I say he's the freak of all freaks.

[480] That's hilarious.

[481] But he really is.

[482] I mean, that other guy, B -Boy Tata, is amazing.

[483] That's you.

[484] Funny, that's so funny.

[485] What's that style called where you're doing like a robot style, like pop -lock type situation?

[486] where you're it's not it's not breakdancing it's like i think it's called pop blocking no no like where you're deforming your body in different ways that it's kind of like a robot dance but on steroids i i believe you know what i'm talking about yeah it's like you're making your body flow in all different kinds of i don't want to miss uh say it's hyphy but i think it's called hyphy and stylebender does hyphy yeah it's h y p hie hifee i see if i okay that's but i think breakdancing is a is a better like overall body awareness muscle activity for for fighting definitely well a guy like that a guy like like whether it's uh kim a be boy pocket kim or whether it's a be boy tata those guys those guys can do anything you'd have to just show them the moves whether it's kickboxing or jujitsu their body control is just incredible the flexibility is incredible the explosiveness and the control the control when that guy is jumping up and down on one hand like you have to be incredibly strong their stylebender yeah that is this it yep this is just uh overall body awareness and dance skills look at that look at him getting after it yeah he's going to fight yon bohovic for the light heavyweight title that is a very interesting fight uh what do you by the way think about the connor fight that's this weekend very excited Unfortunately, I'm going to be, I think I'll be getting off stage right around the time it starts.

[487] Yeah.

[488] Because we're doing these shows.

[489] Dave Chappelle versus Conne McGregor.

[490] Well, the problem is we picked a bunch of dates.

[491] And Dave does some dates with, like, music, and he's like, you know, which dates you want to do.

[492] So I picked these dates, and I didn't even recognize that I picked the 23rd, which is the day of the fight.

[493] It's all right.

[494] Who do you got?

[495] I do not know.

[496] I do not know.

[497] Always.

[498] I do not know.

[499] I think that Dustin has gotten far better.

[500] And Dustin is much more durable in 155 pounds, you know.

[501] But that said, Michael Johnson caoed him in 155 pounds.

[502] Michael Johnson hits very hard, and he caught him with a perfect shot that could, you know, legitimately knock out most 155 pounders.

[503] but he caoed justin gaiti he beat max holloway which uh especially when you look at max holley's this weekend incredible performance last weekend maybe the best performance i've ever seen against a guy who in calvin canter is just a straight up assassin yeah um yeah those numbers were crazy when you uh i saw that you put up the numbers i didn't when i watched that fight it didn't feel like that dominating of performance as the numbers indicate it was dominating but what is it like a record for the most uh most strikes landed ever and here's the crazy most strikes thrown and most strike landed but here's the crazy thing those most of the time when you see like a lot of strikes landed it's a ground fight someone's on top of the guy and beating them up and like holding them down for five rounds but with max it's all stand -up he's he's insane we think of connor said that he'll knock out poor you in the first 60 seconds well you know he's probably put in that Poyer's head.

[504] You know, you've got to always think Conner's playing mind games.

[505] He's being really nice.

[506] I don't know if you saw.

[507] He's been really respectful of like the, he's donated some money to the Poirier.

[508] I'm not sure what it is.

[509] But, so there's like a lot of love back and forth.

[510] I know it's weird.

[511] Friendly Connor.

[512] Friendly Connor is a different Connor.

[513] I got to put, it's the Russian in me. I love Khabi.

[514] I know he's a fascinating human being.

[515] a fascinating human being I hope he comes back and fights for Connor but what if Dustin wins is he compelled to fight Dustin again because that was a close fight that was a good fight yeah yeah listen there was a moment in that fight where Dustin caught him in a guillotine where I was like whoa like that is tight and Dustin has a very good guillotine but Kibib got out of it that's the problem with people who aren't defeated it's like where's the ceiling because maybe Kibb wasn't going that's hard you know that Or, you know, maybe that's how he stays undefeated.

[516] He gets that close to defeat because he's fighting world -class fighters.

[517] But his will and his ability is just enough to pop that head out and keep smashing you and eventually tap you.

[518] Yeah, but you've got to admire the man who's, so Khabib was talking about what, like, agriculture, like farming mass. I don't know if you were paying attention to this.

[519] He's talking to like a businessman.

[520] but a businessman not like talking about like tequila or like new clothing line or maybe doing a podcast or something like that I don't know he's he's talking about actually building farms and like honoring the culture of his people in the kind of way the businesses that they build honoring the the the dreams that his father had and his mom has so that's pretty badass that's pretty bit, but I'm a amazing person good amazing in many ways but also complicated which is really interesting I'd love to see how that like wine or vodka whatever I know he doesn't drink ages I wonder because he's been so so so focused on fighting you know you have the Bovasia Sotiev I've talked about him before he's from that culture they became more and more philosophical and poetic and so on I think Kabil would be a good guest on this podcast in like 10 20 years well his English is much better now yeah I would have him on any time he wants you know when we first talked about it a long time ago but he was struggling with his English but his English is excellent now he can talk really good I'm gonna smash your boy well his English is so like developed around like talking a little bit of trash in MMA I don't know how good his English is developed in terms of being like philosophical for three hours in a podcast or like thoughtful about life.

[521] Oh, I think he'd be fine.

[522] I think he can I've seen him speak in interviews.

[523] I think he's fine.

[524] Yeah, it could be if you need a translator.

[525] My Russian is pretty good.

[526] We got yourself a Russian right here.

[527] I mean, dude, I had Yo -El Romero on with Joey Diaz.

[528] With Joey Diaz.

[529] That worked out.

[530] That was incredible because his English is well, pretty good still.

[531] He can still talk.

[532] And Joey adding the stuff.

[533] stories.

[534] That's a fascinating coupling.

[535] That's one of my favorite conversations, the going back and forth, it's music.

[536] Yeah, well, you know, they know so much about that Cuban culture, too.

[537] They know so much about each other.

[538] Yeah, that's, I think about the translation.

[539] He did it masterfully.

[540] He really did, yeah.

[541] No, Joey speaks fluent.

[542] Right.

[543] Oh, both languages.

[544] Yeah.

[545] Yeah, I think about that with, obviously Russian.

[546] So I have the unique, possibility to speak somewhat English and Russian pretty well.

[547] It's like, who can I be a Joey Diaz for?

[548] Kabib.

[549] Well, I could, Kabib was already pretty good.

[550] Oh, yeah.

[551] I mean, here, let me do the pitch.

[552] Hi, Kabib.

[553] If you ever want to come on the Joe Rogan experience and you have a translator, no, I'd love to do it.

[554] I'd love to just sit silent.

[555] I don't think he needs a translator, though.

[556] He doesn't.

[557] That's the problem.

[558] Yeah.

[559] Stop learning English.

[560] Hello you.

[561] Yeah, exactly.

[562] He's not, Yoel was.

[563] So, you know, his English is much more, it's much more limited.

[564] Yeah, but it also has an art to it as well.

[565] Oh, yeah.

[566] Just the simplicity of it.

[567] You know, just like Joey Diaz, who, like, mispronounces half the things he says.

[568] He does it on purpose, though.

[569] He does it, kind of, sort of.

[570] Cross -Kibib, Calabeebib.

[571] Yeah.

[572] But the result.

[573] Like with, YOL is like, it's almost a caricature of the, like, the superhero fighter, right?

[574] Yeah.

[575] He's like, he's built, like, he's probably has one of the most intimidating, like, builds in mixed martial arts.

[576] You think so?

[577] Or who else?

[578] Yoel.

[579] Yoel's got the most intimidating build, for sure.

[580] Ever.

[581] Well, then there's the heavyweights, right?

[582] Francis and Gano, right?

[583] He's just all around terrifying.

[584] Yeah.

[585] But Yoel doesn't even look like a real person when you meet him.

[586] He just doesn't look real.

[587] He's so big, it doesn't look real.

[588] He's apparently going to fight light heavyweight in Bellator.

[589] What's light heavyweight?

[590] 205.

[591] 205, yeah.

[592] I think he's going to move up to 205.

[593] He's so big.

[594] You know, that's the struggle to get to 185.

[595] At his age, I believe he's 44 now, which is crazy.

[596] He's just completely shredded at 44.

[597] like full six pack no body fat looks like a Greek god doesn't look like he's aged a day in all the years he's been fighting I don't think he's ever talked about diet or anything like that right whatever yeah exactly I mean I don't know what he eats but I mean he's got to be eating hard work it's got to be fairly clean look at him he's in a cry out chamber laughing and smiling I've never seen that guy He's like the polar opposite of me He's never he's always happy Yeah Yeah he's always Always happy and smiling And I'm glad you Another guy who's shredded is Burroughs Jordan Burroughs I'm glad you had him on here Oh he was amazing He's a special special human Well when you're that kind of an athlete And also a wrestler Like those guys They don't get a lot of accolades They don't get a lot of press They don't get the attention of the media of the love of the crowds it's a different world they do it for the love of wrestling and the love of competing in one of the most difficult physical pursuits known to man yeah that that makes it just like he was saying it makes it more i don't know money almost gets in the way i know it's a horrible thing to say that it's people should get paid i know what you're saying that but when you don't get paid which is what makes olympics special I think, you know, you don't get, especially in the early journey, you don't get paid at all or much.

[598] It makes it special.

[599] It makes it so pure about the sport.

[600] And wrestling represents that amazingly well.

[601] I talked to Jordan Barrows is this badass new talent.

[602] I talked to Dan Gable.

[603] I don't know if you know who that is.

[604] Sure, of course.

[605] Yeah, he, that was.

[606] They offered him up for the podcast.

[607] I would love to have them on, but I want to do it in person.

[608] Did you do it remotely?

[609] No, in person.

[610] I flew down to Iowa.

[611] Oh, wow.

[612] It was, I stayed with him.

[613] So I thought, is that up yet?

[614] Oh, yeah, I just uploaded.

[615] Today?

[616] No, no, like a month ago.

[617] Oh, okay.

[618] People should, I actually re -uploaded it because I was so sad.

[619] I never, I never care about views or listens and so on, so it's good that we're mentioning it.

[620] Please go there, check out Dan Gable.

[621] Because I was so sad that it only got not much views relative to others.

[622] And I was like, this is one of the.

[623] most special humans in the world yeah his story's crazy too but how he became that dedicated and focused when his sister was killed when he was 15 yeah raped and killed and it was just uh so the rest his wrestling brought the family together and just i mean you couldn't write a better script because uh he he went undefeated until his last match in college and he lost his last match in college against the person he should have beat because he took a lot of stuff you know he got he let himself get distracted and of course a guy who's never lost losing that like that does something to you that he turned another he went to another level and and then he won the Olympic gold medal without letting up a single point just domination and then and then coaching wise he then went to Iowa and coached I think he's the most winningest coach in NCAA history or like up there and just taught this whole culture of just domination which is tough in this new i mean he struggles with us now obviously he has daughters and families so he's like softened up a little bit there's still a madman in there like he has a shed and he goes in the shed and like there's he works out in the shed right yeah yeah still yeah there's videos of it it's crazy even as an older man he doesn't trains very hard and i think they build the shed so like he's like in order to maintain my marriage i have to have to separate those two worlds i think he's got fake hips and fake knees yeah yeah shoulders as well uh i don't know about the shoulders but i love his the what was that oh it's uh here it goes this is his shed shed gym there he is yeah i mean he's he's he's all busted up and he still trains very hard but uh he's got hip replacements i think he's got knee replacements as well.

[624] Did you ask him about those?

[625] No, not about those.

[626] I was so focused on kind of his mindset.

[627] He's basically David Gagons before David Gagons, which is just this mindset.

[628] MRI said that I've always wanted to train so hard that they would have to carry me off, you know, like being near death.

[629] They would have to carry me off the mat.

[630] And he's never succeeded.

[631] And he was proud of his daughter because she she's a swimmer and she passed out during a swim meet in the pool and he was proud of her that she succeeded where her father failed so that drive I mean what can you say about that the thing is the I don't know how often you're in the Midwest in like that kind of Midwest so I also saw Tom Brands who's the current Iowa coach and I spent a day with him I spent a day with Dan Gable and like I wanted to stay there forever the family feeling just the love like it's a very you know we're talking about California with the homeless and all you forget you forget how like good humans can be to each other like everybody in like New York or even Boston or California they're busy they got a thing going on they go to the next thing and so on here they're just set back they don't know who the hell I am This was, so this was recorded two years ago.

[632] I was, like, sitting on it, not, I had demons around it, okay?

[633] What kind of demons around it?

[634] I felt like, I felt I didn't do as good of a conversation as I could have.

[635] I felt like I failed one of my heroes.

[636] I don't know.

[637] I don't know.

[638] So, whatever.

[639] But I was, the, the, the.

[640] What made you change in mind?

[641] Like, a bunch of the Iowa folks, non -stop messaging me like where the fuck is the video little bitch but and he was really he was really nice to me but there's there's a there's both a love in that family atmosphere and a love within the focus that they've had so for so many years this is one of the magical things I experienced that made me even further believe that family can be beneficial for success is that they're all in on this effort that Dan had to win the Olympic gold to just succeed as a wrestling coach just his whole life they get it and they love them for it and they kind of embrace it and there's like this family atmosphere like what they did at Tom Brands is the same uh Olympic gold medalist to coach of Iowa another guy who's just insane he we sat down on the couch and just watched these like documentaries about people being badass as like mountain climbing just overcoming shit as a family thing as a family all together and they've invited me like a nobody and i don't know i've never felt that before and since i think because i don't go to midwest very much and it just felt like home i don't know there's something to be said for that kind of life the there's a different way of life and uh like my good buddy john lives in john dudley he lives in iowa and just different kind of people out there no twitter no instagram no he doesn't have that no no i mean There might be something that somebody does for him.

[642] But it's just small town life.

[643] Small town life, yeah.

[644] There's good and bad, you know.

[645] Right.

[646] There's a lack of nuance there sometimes.

[647] Well, definitely all Trump supporters there at the time.

[648] What do you think that is?

[649] Why do you think that is?

[650] Because here's a narrative that I don't like.

[651] And it's the Trump supporters are all racist.

[652] You know, I don't like that narrative.

[653] I don't think it's true.

[654] I think it's too simplistic, and I think it's, uh, it, there's a lot of people that don't like a lot of what Democrats are pushing, whether it is, uh, you know, whatever the variables are, whatever the things are that they don't like about the Democrats.

[655] It doesn't mean they're racist.

[656] This, this thing keeps coming up over and over again, like you can just say it.

[657] You can just say it.

[658] And that Trump equals, you're supporting racism.

[659] You support Biden.

[660] it means you're you're the future you're progressive and it's a weird it's a weird narrative that is very polarizing to all the people that voted for trump that aren't racist that just they they don't like a lot of the things that joe biden stands for in terms of his politics and the way you know he was with the obama administration the way the democrats have been throughout the election there's a lot of you know they're allowed to have their opinions and I think we run a real dangerous risk in this country of separating people, like good versus evil, and not just respecting people's differences and differences of opinions.

[661] It's a different kind of discrimination.

[662] You know, it's an intellectual discrimination, it's a cultural discrimination.

[663] It's a weird way of chastising people that don't share your ideas.

[664] And in terms of white supremacists or racist, we focus.

[665] on both the left and the right on the extremes on the ridiculous examples of the tiny 0 .001 % of the people like with the violence in the capital you somehow equate that you know some of the people that storm the capital are somehow equivalent to the 70 million or whatever that voted for Trump right that that kind of equivalent and the same is done on the other side everybody is a it's sort of the you know the 80 or whatever million that voted for Biden are all social justice warriors and they hate America right so I they hate the flag they hate the flag I mean one of you know one of the things that I do does bother me about sort of the I don't know is the left or something is not loving this country unapologetically just I mean criticizing but just like loving the incredible experiment that this is and I think what I felt in terms of Dan Gable and so on, the nature of their support for Trump was, they were not like rah -rah Trump, it's just they're more like R -R -R -R -R -R -R -A -Merica.

[666] The flags everywhere.

[667] And it's not, it wasn't also like naive or delusional support for America, like everything America does is right.

[668] It's more like, this is an incredible country and I'm proud to be here.

[669] And not, this is not beyond criticizing it, so on being against wars and so on but just being able to say i love america every time i say i love america i get i get private emails is like that uh private emails and messages so most public messages of support from trump people i knew you love trump right it's like why this thing i love america equate to i love trump it doesn't it's weird it's you could just love this country and be skeptical of all leaders that attain power.

[670] Anybody with power, I think, deserves careful scrutiny.

[671] And Trump is certainly one of them.

[672] Biden is certainly one of them.

[673] But you can still love this country.

[674] That's why I think people that immigrate to this country can appreciate even further, to be honest, because it's like it can be really shitty elsewhere.

[675] Another way to do that is just by studying history.

[676] That's too much work.

[677] Too much work.

[678] but yeah i mean coming from russia i mean the difference in the freedom here versus theirs yeah it's uh i mean there's beautiful things about russia too like the the culturally speaking in in terms of just like in the struggle of the war i would say it came from the wars the the music the art the poetry the writing the science that came from the world war that impacted russia way more than it did uh the united states the world war two I mean, tens of millions of people died.

[679] China, Russia, Europe, obviously.

[680] They had to, for a century, struggle with the biggest existential questions of, like, good and evil, of losing most of your family to unjust slaughter or starvation in Ukraine in the 1930s.

[681] Like I mentioned before, my grandmother survived.

[682] Something that people don't talk about, they say that Hitler is evil and so on.

[683] They don't often highlight the evil of Stalin.

[684] There's not enough talk about just the fact that he imposed just things on the people without any consideration of the suffering that that causes.

[685] So millions of people die from starvation, cannibalism, people eating their children.

[686] Yeah, that's crazy.

[687] If you read the depictions of it, I've read some stuff that I couldn't continue, I couldn't finish.

[688] Because it's so horrific.

[689] You know, you should have Dan Carlin back on the podcast, by the way.

[690] I love to.

[691] And you, he's been, he's like, I don't know, I don't know what it's a good metaphor.

[692] But he released an episode not like once every year.

[693] And it's always like an excite.

[694] It's at Christmas or whatever as a Jew.

[695] I feel weird saying that.

[696] What is he doing most of the time now?

[697] Working on the podcast.

[698] So he releases this one episode once a year.

[699] Well, he doesn't.

[700] So he released, I want to say three or three.

[701] of four episodes this year.

[702] So it's been a productive year.

[703] And you mean 2020, right?

[704] 20, sorry, I apologize.

[705] What we do is not what he does.

[706] No. It's really rude to call what we do a podcast and call what he does a podcast.

[707] But he has two, and I recommend people listen to it, he has two podcasts.

[708] One is hardcore history and one is common sense.

[709] Yeah.

[710] He shut down common sense for a while because he felt too polarized by the political climate, right?

[711] But he released an episode.

[712] people should listen one he got a lot of shit for that was a little bit I think critical of Trump but not between the lines not not directly but he got shit for that before the election was like steering into the iceberg basically worried he's the opposite of me and this is well full of optimism but he was worried about where this country's headed and he released a new episode I think garbage in garbage out about the you know basically making a case for centrism you know for center left, center right in this country as opposed to extremes.

[713] It's poetic, it's beautiful, people should listen to it.

[714] But it's done with the same kind of care that he does with the hardcore history.

[715] He is, but he did release one extra hardcore history.

[716] He inspired me to, you mentioned what we do, he inspired me to try to do a solo thing, like an episode on Hitler, on the rise and fall of the Third Reich.

[717] So I've read a book called The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.

[718] It's this huge volume.

[719] I recommend people read it.

[720] It tells the story of how Hitler came to power.

[721] And it tells the story from the perspective of the person who was there.

[722] So it was written in the, I want to say, 60s and 70s, by a person who was a journalist that lived through it.

[723] And it's one of the best books on the entirety of the whole the Third Reich project.

[724] the how evil came to be and so i've been trying to for the last two months to do an episode and i i think it's going to take another like year because it sucks and it's hard it's hard work it's fascinating to put together the way he does it the way he does very very difficult and he's not he calls he doesn't call himself a historian so he's got everybody got demons his demons are like the historians that criticize them for getting something incorrectly so he feels like he's never going to live up to the accuracy required to sort of be respected by the academic historians.

[725] There's also a problem with the academic historians don't like the fact that he's famous for that.

[726] Yeah, of course.

[727] That's always.

[728] There's a lot of ego involved in anything academic, right?

[729] Yeah, but he's a storyteller, and he's a masterful storyteller.

[730] He's good at abandoning that stance, you know, and saying, you know, being self -deprecating and saying he's not a not historian.

[731] Yeah, so he's obsessed with Alexander the Great.

[732] He wants to do a whole series in Alexander the Great, which is probably one of the most badass sort of conquerors.

[733] Conquerors in history.

[734] I think Tyson was obsessed with Alexander the Great.

[735] Yeah, Genghis Khan too.

[736] So obviously he did an amazing job with James Khan.

[737] That wrath of the cons is the greatest historical thing I've ever listened to in my life.

[738] And eventually he says he wants to try Hitler.

[739] But that one is, I struggle with that one because I think it's the most useful to understand because it's so modern.

[740] It's useful.

[741] I feel like Hitler is a really interesting person to study, in the context of Stalin as well.

[742] of communism, of fascism, the economic systems, how depression in the United States leads to that kind of leads eventually to conflict and violence, how a charismatic leader can take control of a populace.

[743] There's so much about human nature that you can learn from there that feels more directly relevant to us now than maybe even like Alexander the Great.

[744] It just feels like there's a lot of lessons.

[745] What was the criticism about the Trump episode?

[746] So the Trump episode, steering into the iceberg, I think the episode is called, I think the nature of the criticism was that Trump magnified the division, which ultimately shut down the ability of people of having nuanced conversations and to be able to reason.

[747] And whenever you destroy reason, you're not.

[748] not able to do what uh you're not make it able to make the decisions that kind of keep this country great you know to uh you're not able to think clearly like grounded in um in in in uh like a a deep real humble understanding of reality you're more focused on the division so you construct sort of narratives about the other side that they're evil somehow and you go into this battle this isn't just twitter this is everywhere and so his argument was that this kind of process once it gets going, you're going to have a charismatic leader that takes over, like Trump or somebody else, that then is going to make it worse and worse or worse.

[749] There's too much incentive to make it worse, and that's going to ultimately lead us to destroy this nation.

[750] That was great.

[751] It's a different kind of mania than what grabbed Germany when Hitler took over.

[752] It's a different kind of mania.

[753] Because of social media and because there's too much information, there's too many competing ideas for it to be the same sort of situation.

[754] But I think people were really worried because that, what happened with Hitler in World War II is we would like to think that's outside of what's possible today.

[755] But I don't think we really believe that.

[756] I think deep down in our hearts, we know that a character, charismatic leader with all of the wrong intentions, with all of the right things lining up, in terms of the economy falling apart, in terms of the lack of patriotism in general or a feeling of insecurity by the nation and then all sudden they get they get exhumed they get risen from the dead by some charismatic person who can talk people to do wild shit and i think we saw a little bit of that with a storming the capital when he said you have to be strong it's a show of force so when i when i saw that i was like oh jesus christ like those words and there's a real question of whether or not those words were inciting and whether or not it's uh what he did was illegal.

[757] I don't know.

[758] I'm not a lawyer, obviously.

[759] But the rhetoric, that kind of rhetoric, like, you have to show strength.

[760] What did it exactly did Trump say?

[761] Because he said something along the lines of, you can't be weak, you have to be strong, you have to show, they need to show a force or something like that.

[762] Yeah, that's a really good point because they have to read his words, exactly.

[763] Because every time I read these words, they don't, on paper, they don't sound as dramatic as I think is they're being reported on right sometimes you got to like look at it again well you also have to speaking of hitler you have to listen to the the delivery too i don't think i think people should uh i think bbc did a really nice program on hitler on the charisma of hitler he had way better meth the drugs are just the best the nazi germany had the best there's a really good book on uh the drugs that fueled the nazi regime i feel like damn it i wish i remember the title but it's a book entirely about all the drugs that they loved that fuel that entire war the entire regime and uh it's it's probably can you you know we don't talk about it often is like you could probably attribute most of the nazi regime to just really good drugs you could a lot of it like legitimately like one of the thought there was uh apparently there was god i wish i remember who told me this but there was a moment where Hitler was supposed to meet Mussolini and he was apparently just like broken down who's completely exhausted.

[764] I can't remember.

[765] Jamie, do you remember who brought this up on the podcast?

[766] I thought I'd even tried to look it up before and I couldn't find it so I don't remember who told us this story.

[767] Someone told us a story where Hitler was going to meet Mussolini and Hitler was just beyond exhausted and they pump him fill of testosterone and cocaine.

[768] They injected cocaine to him and testosterone and he meets Mussolini and he just starts ranting.

[769] he just fucking corners him and coke talks at him for like five hours and Mussolini was ready to back out of the war Mussolini's like what are we doing why we did it and Hitler just fucking berates him until he gives up and he goes along with it well so there's a really interesting relationship with Mussolini but Mussolini was always on board he was like but can we just not do this whole thing you're doing like do we need to go to war but there were kind of buds and he was able to convince him so that's an interesting set of conversations that people should look at the really interesting set of conversations is between Hitler, Chamberlain so between Hitler Britain and France and my favorite part is when it was France, Britain and Czechoslovakia so in the very early days and Hitler was just it's clear to me there's an element of like Jeffrey Epstein style smoothness and charisma that in the room he was able to convince people that he ultimately wants peace and at the same time there's this moment that really is so dark it kind of haunts me I'm not sure exactly you know the Jeffrey Epstein things a weird comparison because Eric Weinstein says Jeffrey Epstein wasn't smooth at all I know that's what Eric says Eric is far smarter than the average human being far smarter to the point where he's not buying anybody's bullshit and he met with epstein and he said right away he's like well this is a construct he's like he's an actor this is a construct this guy doesn't know what he's talking about he thought it was a hundred percent bullshit i love eric but uh and he is indeed brilliant uh probably way smarter than me but he's also flawed no like all humans are what and i do i disagree with him on that one i well listen did you did you meet Jeffrey Epstein?

[770] No, but I've met a lot of people who did you meet them?

[771] Uh, well, just the MIT, so all the scientists, so all, like everybody met him.

[772] This is the dark thing.

[773] All the scientists met him.

[774] Let me help you out here.

[775] Here's a difference.

[776] Here's one of the differences.

[777] First of all, Eric has gotten laid.

[778] It's happened before.

[779] Yes.

[780] He probably got laid a lot when he was younger.

[781] Just to clarify people, smooth talker.

[782] I have also gotten laid.

[783] Congratulations.

[784] That's not what Joe is referring to.

[785] I'm not talking about you I'm talking about a lot of these scientists A lot of these scientists That is their kryptonite It's not a coincidence That this guy Allegedly It's not a coincidence This guy allegedly Involved a huge part Of the scientific community In this crazy thing Where he's got a fucking island And he ships off these brilliant minds over there Allegedly And introduces them to a lot of these ladies Allegedly Okay I mean, I mean, listen, that is the kryptonite.

[786] I meant allegedly referring to the kryptonite of sex being a kryptonite for scientists.

[787] For dorks.

[788] For dorks.

[789] Yes, listen.

[790] You're now always disagreeing.

[791] There's no disagreeing.

[792] I don't think that we can put all scientists in the group of dorks.

[793] But yes, there's a lot of dorks.

[794] That's why I saw through the bullshit.

[795] I don't know.

[796] Okay.

[797] I hear what you're saying.

[798] That's conspiratorial, I think, because to say.

[799] There's many else.

[800] I think what Eric says, which is like he was just a tool of something bigger, is that's a problem to me because it removes the responsibility of evil from an individual and saying that there's some other evil in the darkness.

[801] It's possible.

[802] No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He's saying that he's a part of the intelligence community.

[803] And that's actually been reported on.

[804] Do you know that when he was arrested, the initial arrest and when he was given a very lenient sentence?

[805] One of the guys who was involved in that case said it was above my pay grade and that I was told he was a part of the intelligence community.

[806] Now, the word had always been that he was either a Mossad agent or someone along those lines.

[807] Now, if you have some of the most brilliant minds in the world and you want to compromise them and you want to and somehow or another get them entangled in your world, there's two great steps.

[808] I think you need some more of that little fella.

[809] I was going to say, do you want to be...

[810] Hold up.

[811] I thought you considered yourself a man. You're drinking.

[812] We're talking about it?

[813] I already drank it.

[814] I finished.

[815] I know.

[816] I finished one before you, pussy.

[817] We should have another one.

[818] Okay.

[819] What I was saying is, if you wanted to compromise, cheers, sir.

[820] Cheers.

[821] Good to see you, man. Legitimately.

[822] Really.

[823] Really good to see you here.

[824] Because I try to talk you to moving to Texas.

[825] There's two ways you would compromise the scientific community, one of them being money.

[826] money, right?

[827] So he gives them money, funding.

[828] It helps them.

[829] Millions of dollars, right?

[830] Donated millions of dollars to various projects, various things you're working on, to women.

[831] Bring all these scientists together.

[832] Bring these brilliant guys together with the promise of money for all their projects that are working on.

[833] And then you bring them to an island.

[834] And they say, hey, everything's fine here.

[835] Don't worry about it.

[836] You know, I got a fucking temple that's painted like the Jewish flag, Israeli flag.

[837] I have faith that scientists have more integrity than that, but...

[838] But it's not a matter of integrity.

[839] Like, everything was above board.

[840] If they don't know what he's doing and they're innocent, right?

[841] Then they haven't done anything wrong.

[842] And he's giving them money and taking pictures with them.

[843] Just simply by taking pictures with him.

[844] They're...

[845] Oh, they're compromises, you're saying.

[846] Yeah.

[847] I see.

[848] Okay, I thought you meant, like, say there was a beautiful young lady here, and then she was tasked with escorting me around to show how wonderful Texas is.

[849] What you have to do is have photographs with you and his beautiful young lady.

[850] The compromise.

[851] Now, I do not know what happened, obviously, because I wasn't there.

[852] But I would imagine that if he was really a part of the intelligence community, there was probably a directive.

[853] There was probably something they were working on to try to get these people to go along with whatever the fuck he was doing.

[854] But say to me that those are both different flavors of evil, both of them are not good.

[855] But okay.

[856] But the intelligence community has always done that.

[857] They have always compromised people with sex, and they've always compromised people with money.

[858] This is a standard.

[859] You know, I've directly talked to people who are in the CIA who would describe methods that they would use to compromise individuals.

[860] Wait, so is this, could the scientists have done something to avoid it?

[861] It's hard because if they don't know, right?

[862] They're promised funding, and then you have other scientists that are also going to be there.

[863] hey this guy's going to be there hey you got that guy this guy won you know this prize and he's going to be there and this guy's from mirtie he's going to be there and you're like well that'd be a fun party yeah you know let's go why should i bring my wife if epstein is that like why so there was i guess actually eric makes this argument is like the whole thing that uh jeffrey epstein was a pedophile was actually a negative in that sense for the if he is a part of like the intelligent community you know what i think he that the fact that he is a criminal sorry yeah no worse the fact that a criminal is a negative I interrupted you um I think it is a negative but I think when you're involved in that much depravity I think you can get compromised I think it's like a DEAH and it becomes a drug dealer you know I think when you're around darkness all the time I mean that happens a lot where undercover cops become drug dealers just happened They live in that world for too long And it just gets in their veins Well Not saying that he wasn't initially To begin with But I mean who fucking knows We're throwing a lot of speculation out there So I try to sort of defend I have faith And scientists having integrity But the getting laid thing is a thing I found myself not being affected by Like I really don't like strip clubs and money I'm not affected by those things I've actually been attacked in the past for like who's your funding source because I've been supportive on some of the things that Tesla has done and like asking anytime you're supportive of anything they ask like what's your funding source?

[864] You gotta stop reading comments these aren't comments I haven't now actually tattooed that I'm whatever no this is from like more like legitimate science I ignore it.

[865] Legitimate scientists have attacked you for defending Tesla?

[866] Not attack, but, well, yes, yes, because the argument is that they are creating a product that's deployed out into the wild that can potentially be dangerous.

[867] I mean auto drive?

[868] Autopilot, yes.

[869] Yeah.

[870] So there's a lot of criticisms of naming that product, like autopilot or now it's called full self -driving.

[871] But do you think that there, like, the argument for that would be if autonomous vehicle driving is ultimately one day far safer, and most people believe it would be, don't you believe it'll be far safer than just manual human operations of vehicles?

[872] It's complicated, but yes.

[873] Most likely.

[874] If you get to 50 years from now, 30 years from now, how the fuck they think it's going to get there without implementing it?

[875] What do you think it's going to be implemented completely theoretically, and not in the wild?

[876] Can I try to lay it out just real quick?

[877] So I don't know if you're familiar.

[878] There's a place called Phoenix, Arizona.

[879] And there's a company, you used to be Google self -driving car.

[880] They're now called Waymo that they have deployed what is an autonomous vehicle in Phoenix.

[881] It's like an Uber app.

[882] You can order it and you can deliver you or drive you.

[883] to a bunch of different locations of Phoenix.

[884] So it's basically like Uber.

[885] No driver.

[886] No driver.

[887] So this is the key thing.

[888] There's not a driver sitting there not doing anything.

[889] There's not a human not doing anything there supervising.

[890] There's nothing.

[891] It's trippy.

[892] I've gone there just to try it.

[893] Yeah, I did it.

[894] It's trippy.

[895] It'll freak you out.

[896] They're in the backseat?

[897] You're sitting there in the back seat and letting some asshole robot turn the steering wheel for you.

[898] and then like what is that thing no these are these are just like some generic um some crappy well i'll do respect it's some it's some minivan type of car it is great it's wonderful whatever this is it oh my god this is madness but like when you're in there and it turns a steering wheel is like what if it takes me to my death well who's manufacturing these vehicles what is that it looks like Chrysler yeah it might be Chrysler that's right it looks like the the steering wheel looks like a Chrysler is that correct yeah that I think it's a Chrysler is that what it says jane I've no idea I you're right on the Chrysler I think it's Chrysler Pacific yeah okay Chrysler Pacific I didn't even know Chrysler made a driverless car no no no no this is really important this is a non -driveless car that Waymo then converts completely they don't they just like Waymo is the brains of the operation here so their Waymo is doing the the radar the LiDAR on top of you see that they've changed it they six the six the sexy it help and there's a bunch of little different sensors around and has all the intelligence it's really cool like if you want to taste the future try this car out you get a button says pull over yeah but the interface because it's across the pacific is like kind of shitty to be honest it's like very old school but see see that thing like it shows you what the car is seeing and what is doing and me as a as a you know uh i mean i i connect with you on the chimp side we're both have the ancestors it feels weird to let a robot control your whole life as it's traveling 50 miles an hour in a well I think ultimately this is going to be way safer no ultimately yes but this is an example the reason I bring it up people in the scientific community and I can see that argument and I felt that argument and I partially agree to it which is this is the safe way to proceed they're they're slowly they're mastering Phoenix Arizona currently they're like mastering it and slowly growing.

[899] Tesla Autopilot is like, we're going to deploy this autopilot technology to the entire world to hundreds of thousands of people.

[900] I don't use the autopilot.

[901] I have it.

[902] I don't use it.

[903] Jamie, do you use yours?

[904] I did it once.

[905] Felt gnarly.

[906] I've used it with my wife just to freak her out.

[907] Watch this, baby.

[908] I did on a windy -ass road too.

[909] The cars coming at me, two -way road.

[910] Oh, my God, did you?

[911] I kept my hand on the wheel a whole time.

[912] And a couple times it would just, like, I didn't even realize it gave it back to me. The question is, I don't know why.

[913] Have you taken a long road trip?

[914] That was 20 miles, 30 miles?

[915] That's as long as it was.

[916] That's a good move, right?

[917] If you're taking a long road trip because you could just chill.

[918] Yeah, chill on the highway.

[919] Yeah.

[920] That's where people get the benefit of it.

[921] Yeah.

[922] Well, I used to take it home from the comedy store when I was tired.

[923] So, like, I'd be there hanging out and it'd be like 1 .30 in the morning.

[924] I'd be tired.

[925] I'd get on the 101 and just let it ride.

[926] Was it energizing?

[927] or at the store tiring no no no um letting a car was just relaxing where I can just just hold on the wheel and pay attention to the road a little bit yeah but not like I am if I'm driving you think so you think you're paying attention less I think so a sport well sports car is different you mean like yeah sports car driven at a fast speed one of the surprising things to me is that it seems that people are a little bit more alert when they turn on autopilot but so this idea that you become more detached from the road was counterintuitive like that's what i thought would happen but it seems like people are less they become more alert they become less kind of weirded out by the fact they're doing it so like oh yeah yeah i mean i don't know it's but the point is there's a lot of open questions from a human psychology perspective and that's where the scientific community speaks up like Elon seems to be going full steam ahead yeah and he's doing the one of the really cool things i don't know if you're paying attention to this but they're really deploying the full self -driving beta uh technology so like it's now able to for the people in the beta program uh the fsd beta program they're able it's able to like take left turns right turns stop at the light yeah do the actually take you from point eight to point b fully autonomously except the liability still with you you're supposed to always pay attention and this There's another public, what is it?

[928] Service announcement.

[929] Always pay attention to the road if you used for something.

[930] I bought that and I never had it installed.

[931] It was one of those things where I was in my car and was like, would you like to order that?

[932] I was going to be mad at you.

[933] I'm just kidding.

[934] I just have to bring it somewhere.

[935] That's the problem.

[936] I thought I could just download it, but you got to bring it somewhere.

[937] Oh, because your car needs to be modified and to support it.

[938] Yeah.

[939] Whatever the new thing is that I paid for, because, they keep emailing me. The cool, both the pro and the con of the way Tesla does things is that they're constantly improving things and some of those are in the hardware.

[940] So sometimes you have to like go and get your car modified and upgrade it in order to support that kind of stuff.

[941] I think, I think it's incredibly exciting.

[942] I think it's one of the things I've changed my mind on is the ability of cars to drive fully autonomously I don't think as soon as Elon says but I think very soon when do you think it'll be it's hard to make we should tell everybody that you actually have a background in AI so you really do you're not talking to your ass like me yeah I'm a well my side gig is being an expert in Connor McGregor fights drinking whiskey and yeah I worked on autonomous vehicles for a long time I still work on autonomous vehicles yeah so and I'm deep in the scientific community and one of the only people who was appreciative of what Elon is doing and of what the entirety of the robotic community is doing.

[943] One of the only people?

[944] Yeah, it's Apple versus Android.

[945] It's like the scientists are very I think it's jealousy to be honest.

[946] I like both.

[947] I have an Android phone too.

[948] You do?

[949] Yeah, I do.

[950] I have a note.

[951] I think this is a metaphor for the division that ultimately creates progress, but...

[952] I think the Apple Android is a good analogy.

[953] Yeah.

[954] Because there's a weird to the weirdness to the Android people, they're the resistance.

[955] Like, I'm hanging in there.

[956] I'm kidding.

[957] I don't give it a fuck, bro.

[958] Should all use Signal.

[959] Yes.

[960] You legitimately should all use Signal.

[961] Signal's amazing.

[962] I use Signal on my iPhone.

[963] I use Signal with a lot of my friends.

[964] I use Signal on my Android phone.

[965] There's like a threshold I'm waiting for that people I switch.

[966] A lot of people are switching.

[967] I talk to Moxie from Signal.

[968] One of the guys created it.

[969] He'd been on the podcast in the past.

[970] Yeah, that's right.

[971] How did he say his last name, Maplethorpe?

[972] No. Marlon Spike.

[973] Milan Spike.

[974] I remember.

[975] I'm thinking of Robert Mabelthorpe, the artist.

[976] Marlon Spike.

[977] Moxie's amazing.

[978] He's a really interesting guy.

[979] And completely altruistic intentions, not trying to make any money off of Signal.

[980] And he said that when Elon was telling people to use Signal, something happened and Signal literally gained the amount of users of a small country in like a couple of days.

[981] Like, because they had an outage a couple, a few days ago.

[982] Signal did, and I talked to Moxie about it because I sent a message about something where there was these, there was an article that was demonizing signal.

[983] And this, it was really disturbing to me because they were demonizing signal and demonizing, I'm going to find it.

[984] Because I'll send it to you, Jamie.

[985] Because it was, they were demonizing signal and they were demonizing encryption.

[986] and they were saying that it's a tool of the people that stormed the Capitol and this kind of shit.

[987] I was like, what the fuck are you talking about?

[988] So it was this weird, like, plea to Big Brother to look in on everybody and to make sure that everything's okay.

[989] It was a very disturbing thing.

[990] I think a lot of people that got, I'd love to hear your opinion is actually on Parlor.

[991] There are a lot of people that move to Signal as a place to try to communicate with each other when, like, all the platforms are banning just a bunch of different accounts, different.

[992] It's really unfortunate, man, because I see both sides.

[993] I really do.

[994] And I know some people don't.

[995] I'm going to send this to you, Jamie.

[996] Some people don't see both sides.

[997] I really do see both sides.

[998] I don't think that most people are doing this because they want to support some sort of gigantic government overreach, a la NSA, Edward Snowden, exposed stuff.

[999] I think most people do worry that these kind of things will escalate.

[1000] Now, what we saw, the attack of Capitol Hill, we'll keep going.

[1001] Millions flocked to telegram.

[1002] So this is something that Glenn Greenwald posted.

[1003] Millions flock to, that's okay.

[1004] Millions flock to telegram and signal as fears grow over big tech.

[1005] But go back to what Glenn said, because what Glenn had a really good point, He said, three journalistic units most devoted to demanding online censorship are CNN's media reporters, NBC's disinformation team, and New York Times tech reporters.

[1006] Here's the letter laying the groundwork for making encrypted apps signal and telegram the next targets.

[1007] And scroll down to his next tweet, please.

[1008] He said, when the internet and encryption proliferated in the 1990s, a Clinton administration seized the Oklahoma City bombing to demand backdoor access to all encryption.

[1009] Bush and Obama use 9 -11 to radically expand internet surveillance.

[1010] Now it's CNN, NBC, New York Times journalists who take the lead.

[1011] And there's a whole stream of, it's from January 15th from Glenn Greenwald, who's an amazing follow on Twitter and just a fantastic journalist.

[1012] But his take on it is accurate.

[1013] You've got to be really careful when people are calling for denouncing encryption, privacy.

[1014] You should be able to say things privately between each other there's no fucking reason why anybody should know what you're saying to me and the way you text most of the time SMS with your wacky fucking android device that is the least in the least private way one plus pro seven oh is that a new galaxy no it's not that new but galaxy 20 uh s 21 best phone on the market are you going to get the galaxy s 21 is that you probably it looks so sexy it does yeah the ultra looks very very sexy.

[1015] I don't know.

[1016] I wasn't, I don't know what to think you're right.

[1017] I'm personally torn about the whole banning of all these different accounts of social media.

[1018] The one that really hit me was Amazon, I don't know if you're paying attention to this, but Amazon removing parlor from EWS.

[1019] Yes.

[1020] Yeah.

[1021] That, it feels like that created a worse world, a more dangerous world because there's a difference to me than banning accounts on Twitter which is also very complicated but it's like a difference in making banning the ability to make a phone call like the ability of like banning your number blocking your number versus banning your ability to make a phone call at all when the actual infrastructure based on which your apps operate is now putting its finger on the scale if who succeed and not now that's the starts affecting capitalism that means Twitter can't have a competitor that's like that has the conspiracy theorists that has the people that are allowed to say crazy shit about Jeffrey Epstein not killing himself or something I don't think that's crazy some people might think it's crazy right you think it's crazy what do you think if you had all your money and you had to put it on red or black he had to put it on he didn't kill himself or he did kill himself red or black I'm pushing all my chips on he didn't kill himself yeah I would I would I feel like you would be more excited by the push I would be just sadly pushing towards he didn't kill himself oh you feel like I have a problem with the way I look at things I'm judging why would I be more excited do you think I favor chaos over you well I got enough chances to interact with Michael Malice to where you're not even close to that side of the spectrum.

[1022] He gets excited.

[1023] He doesn't have any children.

[1024] That's right.

[1025] Yeah, I have children.

[1026] I have three daughters.

[1027] And that's, you know, females, the most vulnerable.

[1028] Just slain Maxwell hearing illegally streamed by a parent Q and on followers.

[1029] They broke in it.

[1030] There's 14 ,000 people watching illegally.

[1031] But here's the thing, man. Fucking everybody who does something like that now is a Q and on follower.

[1032] It's the greatest way to dismiss people ever.

[1033] Because you just, like you were talking, Jamie and I were talking before the podcast about these hilarious threads of these QAnon followers realizing they've been had and like saying, you know, I can't believe Biden's the president.

[1034] And then there's some really dumb ones.

[1035] I think Biden is in on the Q &ON conspiracy and he's helping.

[1036] Whoa, that's another level.

[1037] Oh, it's all nonsense, right?

[1038] It's just the, it's literally the most unsophisticated minds trying to interpret things and, like, looking for secrets that they can uncover.

[1039] So it's really crude, bumbling, and you see these guys with like flannel shirts on where their bellies are poking out and the buttons are stretching because they're so fat and they're like, Q has told us that this is that and that is this and so what's going to happen is it's a setup and Trump has got them all locked up and everything has been blockchained and there's so many people that buy into all this shit and it's weird to watch.

[1040] It's weird to watch it all play out.

[1041] But it's the same thing as Bigfoot.

[1042] It's the same thing.

[1043] It's the same intention as people who are channeling aliens from beta reticuli.

[1044] It's the same fucking thing.

[1045] It's people that want to pretend they have some secret information because their life is boring as fuck.

[1046] And they want to spice it up with some secret intel on the U .S. government by Q. And Q is got, they know, they know what's happening.

[1047] It's easy to get sucked into that.

[1048] Just like it's easy to get sucked into channeling.

[1049] It's easy to get sucked into psychics and card readers and Bigfoot and all that stuff.

[1050] It's easy to get sucked into believing that someone has this really exciting secret.

[1051] They know some things that other people don't know.

[1052] Well, but there's so many secrets that are fascinating and they're closer to the truth.

[1053] Like a lot of science has a lot of secrets.

[1054] Oh, yeah.

[1055] And I would say, I mean, you're at the forefront of reviewing some of the things on the alien side that are like...

[1056] Oh, I got more coming.

[1057] I got more coming.

[1058] Oh, shit.

[1059] I got a lot more people coming.

[1060] I've been doing like an alien interview once every month.

[1061] Yeah.

[1062] Hell yeah.

[1063] With a UFO interviews.

[1064] Some of them, like, so the Ivy Loeb guy.

[1065] Thank you very much, by the way, for recommending him.

[1066] He's legit.

[1067] So people should check him out.

[1068] The key, so outside of aliens, the same thought mindset he has, he applies to a lot of questions in science.

[1069] His thoughts about black holes are really interesting.

[1070] People should really follow.

[1071] He's brilliant.

[1072] He's a brilliant dude.

[1073] Brilliant.

[1074] So when a guy like him is saying that this interstellar object that travels faster by far, by more than twice, of any comet or any asteroid that we've ever observed, that is coming away from the sun, not affected by the sun's gravity, that is ten times more reflective than any other object we've ever observed, that one of the things that Jeremy Corbell sent me is that it appears that it's commonly depicted that that object, Amuamua, is a cigar -shaped.

[1075] Cigar -shaped.

[1076] It's most likely flat, like Jeremy said, yeah.

[1077] Jeremy said it's like a disc.

[1078] That's what obvious says, too.

[1079] Yeah, it's from his book.

[1080] So the things that people have, the way they've described it, I'll try to fight Jeremy's.

[1081] Yes, most likely the reflectivity suggests it's most likely to be a disc yeah of course Jeremy says flying saucer like Of course he does This is from Obby's book The likelihood of a Muamua being disshaped Was about 91 % So that was That's like artistic interpretations Based on the idea that it was an object Like a rock But he says it is flat See I tend to believe Cigar isn't what I would go with on that cigar shape what do you think of shit yeah a turd yeah it looks like a flying turd definitely this is a kid's show Jamie I don't say it I but you know what man I think this is this is I'm gonna go way out here this thing that people have where they want to believe in Q or they want to believe in aliens or they want to believe in Bigfoot they want to find these secrets I think this is ultimately the reaching for the branch this is this is a call to psychic powers and I think ultimately that's that's what we're trying to develop as human beings and I think it's taking many many many generations and I think the the evolution of human communication through grunts and gestures all the way up to sounds all the way up to complicated computer code and various languages I think that what we are doing is trying to evolve human communication whether it's through biology or whether it's through technology to the point where there are no secrets.

[1082] And I think that's coming.

[1083] And I don't think it's going to be as far off in the future as many people think.

[1084] And I think Elon and this neuralink shit, these are the first warning shots of this symbiotic relationship that we're going to have with technology that allows us to read each other's minds.

[1085] And this is what I've been saying for a while that I think this is the, this is the future of human beings.

[1086] I think the future of human beings is the thing that's going to save us.

[1087] We're going to realize that we're in this massive conflict between lies and truth and encryption and disinformation and propaganda and these fucking crazy conspiracy theorists and all these people that, you know, are all right and white supremacists and, you know, are the proud boys evil or was it all just a. joke or what what what what's the truth i want to know the truth because the fucking mainstream media does not have a vested interest in telling you the truth they have a vested interest in telling you whatever the fuck they should tell you that's going to make the most people around them happy and sell the most clicks and get them the most views and so we've got a conflict we've got a massive conflict two polarized sides right and left red and blue no one knows how to get out of this okay no one knows the way to get out of this okay the way we get out of this okay the way we get out of this is we can clearly see everyone's intentions.

[1088] And maybe some people that you thought were bad or not bad.

[1089] Maybe they're really good.

[1090] And maybe some people you thought were good were really bad.

[1091] They're just playing on the heartstrings of what's the common consensus of what you're supposed to say.

[1092] What pronouns are you supposed to use?

[1093] What are the words you're supposed to utter?

[1094] What are the things that you're supposed to repeat?

[1095] There's a lot of really bad actors out there that are playing upon these cultural narratives.

[1096] that may not be they might be sociopaths but they're saying the things that you can say publicly privately people know privately people are terrified privately people are like she's fucking crazy like I can't believe she got to where she got I can't do you know what she did do you know who she is?

[1097] Do you know who her uncle is do you know who her grandfather is do you know what the fucking the family history of these demons from hell?

[1098] Like this is a lot of people talking this but publicly del espouse woke scripture and they'll say it is dark the way out of it is to read each other's minds that's the way out of it well I think I love the picture you paint of like reaching for branches and everyone's reaching for different branches I think on the path to reading each other's minds there's going to be a lot of technologies that allow you to read each other's minds in more subtle ways before it's like boulong waterfall neuralink, just, I think that's what social media does.

[1099] We can reach each other's minds.

[1100] I mean, we're all struggling with this.

[1101] And I think, I think despite the media and all that, everybody is just like the alien folks are reaching for the different branches.

[1102] And underlying that is ultimately like a curiosity and an optimism.

[1103] And that's how we got to where we are today.

[1104] It's just like chimps being, you know, the sentence of baby.

[1105] but it starts with bacteria it's just like reaching always reaching for the next branch like hopeful yeah because like most of life is kind of shitty and you're always trying to reach out and make a better life and it's gotten better and better and better because of that kind of reaching that's what Elon does with this crazy thoughts about first of all landing on Mars and then colonizing Mars and colonizing other planets it seemed crazy at the time but because of that kind of reaching 100 years from now several hundred years from now it'll be ridiculous to think that obviously we would not be colonizing this solar system and even other solar systems and that kind of thinking then that moves to robots, AI.

[1106] Yeah.

[1107] I was trying to bring Spot here.

[1108] No. I'll fucking shoot it.

[1109] I'll shoot that dog.

[1110] Good luck.

[1111] Spot is a for, I would never shoot real dog it's a robot dog folks oh it's not real to you no not yet robot lives matter you met my dog you met marshal yes no i didn't mean him god damn i was gonna bring him here today but in the confusion of trying to find my suit yeah and get to the dry cleaner and all that jazz it was a real problem i'm honored i think the world would love to see a joke to the suit i was gonna yeah but i can't wear regular collars yeah no that's right it has to be custom made so uh i have this David August custom suit for this fucking gorilla neck I have that it's about the iron neck man do you use that yet?

[1112] Yeah you've you showed it to me yeah you don't have one yet I'll get you one I'll get you one I'd love that actually they actually just reached out to me because me talking about it so much is blowing their company up they asked me to if anybody needs one anybody wants one do a lot of like bridges I used to do that no no no no no no that's how Mike Tyson fucked his neck up bridges the problem with bridges is you're putting all this weight on those discs.

[1113] The thing about the iron neck is when you have this halo on and this bungee cord, Mike Jolly, the guy who invented it was a fucking gigantic NFL player who was so intimidating me to him.

[1114] I'm like, hi.

[1115] He's so much bigger than me. You pull the cord.

[1116] The cord is a 50 -pound bungee and then you have this halo around your head that you can change the resistance.

[1117] And so you're on but you're never doing this.

[1118] So this is how people fuck their necks up.

[1119] They fuck their necks up by putting an unnatural load on those discs.

[1120] Yeah, well, a compression and just a strain on the disc itself, and it causes corneations.

[1121] By keeping everything in alignment, but operating against resistance, you never put pressure on those discs.

[1122] I've had a tremendous result with it.

[1123] I talk about it.

[1124] I mean, I don't have any interest in the company.

[1125] I don't own any of it.

[1126] They never paid me. I talk about it openly often.

[1127] Do you try to get, like, reps, like, once a week or something like that?

[1128] I do it twice a week.

[1129] Twice a week?

[1130] Yeah, I do it twice a week.

[1131] Yeah, but I do once a week pretty light.

[1132] But I do a lot of other neck stuff, too.

[1133] A lot of trap stuff.

[1134] There's a lot of cleans and presses which work your traps, you know?

[1135] Yeah, there's a lot of, like, little maintenance work like that for, I feel like you have to study your own body.

[1136] Like, what kind of shit gets you in trouble?

[1137] Like, I used to, I still do train wrist stuff.

[1138] How do I put this where people are not going to be like Jerk off?

[1139] Jerk off, yeah, exactly.

[1140] Wrist curls.

[1141] Wrist curls.

[1142] So I get in trouble with wrists.

[1143] Shoulders is a huge problem.

[1144] You mention knees.

[1145] Shoal is a huge problem for me. So I use bands.

[1146] I recommend it highly.

[1147] Just bands to do all kinds.

[1148] There's all kinds of movements you can do on the shoulder.

[1149] Have you had shoulder problems?

[1150] Like overuse problems, not major like shit broke problems yet.

[1151] You get MRIs?

[1152] Not yet.

[1153] So you don't know if you broke anything.

[1154] No. But the Gagins thing, this is why I'm preparing.

[1155] Like cue the rocky music.

[1156] Because because of Gagin's, I did this challenger, I did 20 ,000 push -ups and pull -ups, 25 ,000.

[1157] That's when the shoulder was like, oh, shit.

[1158] Yeah.

[1159] The problem is the tendons.

[1160] The tendons don't want that.

[1161] The overuse injury.

[1162] There's a fine line between.

[1163] This idea of 40%, like people quit at 40%, pushing past that, but also having irreparable physical damage to your body.

[1164] You sound like a pussy, sir.

[1165] Yeah, I do.

[1166] I do.

[1167] I sound like a guy who's had his knees reconstructed.

[1168] There's a certain level.

[1169] Weakness gets us all, ladies and gentlemen.

[1170] Age and love.

[1171] Yeah, for sure.

[1172] You have daughters and...

[1173] Also, knowing what you're physically capable of doing versus not doing that because you don't want your body.

[1174] body to break.

[1175] The thing is, we all die one day.

[1176] But do you want to be Dan Gable, walking around in your garage with bad hips and bad knees and doing curls with rusty weights?

[1177] Maybe you do.

[1178] I think he lived a hell of a life.

[1179] I'd like to high five of them and then go fucking take a nap.

[1180] That's almost poetry.

[1181] I don't know.

[1182] That's definitely the choice you make.

[1183] I mean, you make that choice in all kinds aspects of life.

[1184] I make preservation choices when it comes to my body.

[1185] I do make preservation choices because I think you, you, I, look, I love David.

[1186] I love David Gaggins.

[1187] I love my friend Cam Haynes, who does basically the same kind of shit, maybe even more extreme.

[1188] Cam Haynes is in better shape.

[1189] He's more crazy in a lot of ways.

[1190] He just doesn't have the same kind of publicity that David does.

[1191] He screams a little bit less, but he runs like a marathon.

[1192] He doesn't scream at all.

[1193] Yeah, he'll run a marathon a day And, you know, he'll regularly do 100 mile runs And regularly do, I mean, he's run The Moab 240, the Bigfoot 200, he's done some fucking crazy shit I've, you know, Cam's an unusual human being And, uh, he's also older than David, you know But, yeah, he looks at young He's my age.

[1194] Cam's my age.

[1195] Yeah, he's vibrant.

[1196] He's like super...

[1197] Works a full, full fucking eight hours a day every day.

[1198] He works through the Oregon Department of Water and Power puts in his fucking punches a clock every day And puts his time on the bow and all that kind of stuff Oh yeah every day No he's a good father I think he's got a kid right He's got three kids and one of them's a ranger And the other one broke David Goggins pull -up record Yeah savages raising savages And he's got a beautiful daughter too Who's brilliant He's a man I mean he's the fucking man But you know these he stays injury free sorry to interrupt so he's to the point of preservation he's he's a weird one man he doesn't make any sense like i don't know how his knees aren't trashed like david's they're pulling out giant syringes like we were highlighting on the podcast of the undertaker how they're pulling out these giant syringes of pus from goggins his knees i don't i don't know how he keeps going with those knees cam doesn't have those problems like one time i had to bring him to the doctor we were in Vegas and went for the fights and he had something fucked up with his foot it turned out he had a stress fracture.

[1199] Didn't even stop running.

[1200] Didn't even stop running when he had a stress fracture.

[1201] He had different, he on -purpose constructs situations where others, including himself, thinks that this is a bad idea and pushes through it.

[1202] Oh, dude, every day.

[1203] Well, here's another thing.

[1204] The bow hunting community doesn't know what to do with him.

[1205] They, they, there's, there's people in the bow hunting community that don't like what he does because he works out so hard.

[1206] Here's the thing, when you see Cam Haynes, you see a guy who's like this fitness, endurance athlete, but that's deceiving, because although he is those things, he is those things to be the best bow hunter on earth.

[1207] And there's a real argument that he's the greatest bow hunter of all time.

[1208] Like if you ask me, I love him to death, but if I wasn't his friend and I was on the outside, at them and I'm like who's the greatest bow hunter of all time like it might be cam haines like there's a real argument like there's a couple of guys in the running john dudley's in the running fred bear is the legend there's a few of these guys these like legendary bow hunters but this guy is so successful like insanely successful every year every year in the most difficult pursuit it's really hard to be successful bow hunting elk in the mountains it's hard he's successful every year and he pulls a 90 pound bow now you can't even buy a 90 pound bow from most bow companies they won't make you one but he he fucking strong arms them into making him a 90 pound bow so all these other bow companies or all these other bow hunters rather a few of them that are kind of butt hurt and jealous are mad that he is telling people he has a 90 pound bow my question is do you think you are as strong as him and if you don't what do you give a fuck if he's pulling 90 pounds and you're pulling 70 pounds are we trying to pretend that we're all the same strength are we trying to pretend because that seems silly to me because I know a lot of really fucking strong people that are way stronger than me I don't want to pretend that I'm the same strength as them and if I found out there was a guy out there that pulls 150 pound bow but he's like built like the undertaker and he weighs 300 pounds I'd go oh okay that makes sense that's like me pulling you know a 90 pound bow or a hundred pound bow that would be easy for me but for him a 150 pound bow would probably be just as easy because he's fucking giant Cam Haynes is working out every day you got a problem with him pulling a 90 pound bow you don't really have a problem with that your problem is with yourself your problem is that you know you can't really do that and it bothers people so there's this weird ego thing in the bow hunting world where they get upset at him because he's a legit legitimate psycho because he literally does get up literally does get up at four o 'clock in the morning running the rain in the dark puts in a half a marathon before work goes to work puts in another 10 miles during lunchtime he's a real psycho yeah and unlike gaggins the the way he's in inspiration to me at least is in how easy he makes it look smiles the whole time and just stoic he's nice yeah this just nice human stay hard there's none of that none of that None of this they are.

[1209] Have a good day, everybody.

[1210] He's out there running.

[1211] In some sense, I don't follow David, um, uh, Keynes.

[1212] Cam, Cam Haines.

[1213] That's that whiskey talking.

[1214] That whiskey talking.

[1215] One, two drinks.

[1216] Is because he doesn't get me ass pumped up.

[1217] He's just an example I'd love to live up to.

[1218] Yeah.

[1219] There's something about the David Guggins of just like, listen, motherfucker.

[1220] Yeah.

[1221] That, that, that.

[1222] Got to look at your demons.

[1223] Yeah.

[1224] Make them your bitch.

[1225] It wakes you.

[1226] Well, he's much more outwardly inspirational.

[1227] Yeah.

[1228] Because he, you know, he takes a lot of pleasure in pumping people up.

[1229] There's a beautiful, so he's got, I think she's a girlfriend, but she might be a wife.

[1230] I apologize if I don't know.

[1231] Dave's wife?

[1232] Yeah, his wife.

[1233] So they have, she's more and more becoming part of his, like, Instagram thing.

[1234] And there's just like this magical, in terms of.

[1235] a relationship moment where she's filming him for his Instagram they're supposed to go out to dinner or something like a nice thing and he telling he's doing push -ups he's doing push -ups in a puddle of sweat on the carpet that is the most just like there's a romantic element of just like this is what I have to live with but I also love this man from her perspective and also there's this picture of like Gagins who's like I don't give a fuck I'm getting these pushups in and he's he didn't really plan it he's just he's just there in the corner he's like almost like why are you filming me right now just let me deal with my demons this guy right here I'm surprised he has a bed he's shaking his arms out he's doing these fucking push -ups and like with that time limit I know what that feels like my wife and I had dinner with him and his wife and a couple other folks after UFC The Vegas one Yeah Pre -pandemic before Before all the shit went down And she was like He's nice He's normal He eats bread That's what she kept saying My wife is like He eats bread She thought he'd be like Fucking fire breathing demon But he's fun Like he's a fun guy I've hung out with him a bunch of times He just gets the work done He just gets Drops down to the push -ups than that Well he knows That you know There's my expression conquer your inner bitch.

[1236] Yeah.

[1237] He knows he's got an inner bitch.

[1238] And, you know, he goes, it ain't easy.

[1239] Sometimes I look at my sneakers and I stare at those motherfuckers for a half hour before I put him on.

[1240] Yeah.

[1241] But just that admission that this is not, he's not a robot, but he gets everything a robot does done.

[1242] You know, he can do it.

[1243] Like, as if he was, like, he pushes his mind to do things that the body does not want to do.

[1244] so he almost in some ways behaves like a robot but the value one of the values in Dave multiple values in Dave one of the values is that he lets you know that he's not a robot he lets you know that he's got that little bitch inside of him talking to him yeah he's uh I've gotten the fortune to actually interact with him on the kind of the struggle side of things and he's definitely still it's not an act well he's still personally struggling with some shit he's working with some shit he gets angry in certain kinds of ways that's like oh shit like so so me for example going out and running with him there's this uh you know the movie casino it's this badass movie with robert deniro and joe pesci uh and uh sharonstone i think yeah yeah and they meet out uh james woods too james woods is sharonstone's pimp oh that's right good memory that's a badass man god i miss movies like that that's not the woman my wife loves that movie yeah it has i mean it has i've seen that movie multiple times against my will oh you don't like that one no i do i like it is this like a scent of a woman situation no it's like um there's certain movies that like i've watched john wick maybe a hundred times yeah you did like legitimately yeah i'm not that great of a movie just shut your fucking hole you russian traitor you're wearing the uniform what you're We're a John Wick uniform.

[1245] There's other people that wear this.

[1246] No, no, no, no, no. No one does it better.

[1247] Listen, yeah, he is dreamy.

[1248] I will admit that.

[1249] Kanye West is dream.

[1250] He once killed three men in a bar with a pencil.

[1251] Yeah.

[1252] With a fucking pencil.

[1253] Is that historically accurate?

[1254] Listen, that fucking movie is so, if you like to work out and you want to get fired up, that scene at the Russian bathhouse at the Red Circle bar where he kills everybody, that is that that fucking movie is so good how do you say Chad's last name chat let me that guy I know I always fuck up the pronunciation of his name it's very confusing here hold on Chad's S -T -A -H -E -L -S -K -I he's gonna get mad because I say his name all the time I communicate with him I'll Ski Who is it?

[1255] We text met him at Tarrant Tactical I shot guns with him, where they taught Keanu Reeves how to shoot guns.

[1256] But...

[1257] Well, it punks you up more of the shooting guns or the fighting, like the martial arts, the judo.

[1258] He does pretty good judo and jiu -jitsu, which is, I got to give him credit for that.

[1259] It's madness.

[1260] It's a masterpiece of violence.

[1261] Yeah.

[1262] If you want a revenge movie, they stole his car and killed his dog.

[1263] Kill his dog.

[1264] And so he kills everybody.

[1265] I get it.

[1266] I mean everybody.

[1267] It's a fucking kind of movie.

[1268] like some pointy ears and wear like a cape because they'll probably make you even more excited because a real movie about drama involves something like casino where it's like real men I needed to be real I live a real life bro that's why I like superhero movies people like they're like real life like yeah yeah yeah I live a real life pussy listen speaking speaking of which you couldn't even get yourself in a John Wick suit so you you struggle listen I can't even live up to the idea I have a John Wick suit that fits me. But the fucking...

[1269] You're more like the Hulk.

[1270] You just rip that thing.

[1271] I'm a juice head.

[1272] That's the problem.

[1273] I live too much weights.

[1274] This fucking scene here in the Russian bathhouse, boom, boom.

[1275] To the...

[1276] Come on, son.

[1277] You want to go before that?

[1278] Is this what it is in the YouTube video?

[1279] Go way before when he stabs the guy.

[1280] There it is.

[1281] Right there.

[1282] Right there.

[1283] When he stabs the guy under his chin, and looks them in the eye.

[1284] Watch it.

[1285] All clear.

[1286] Da.

[1287] Da.

[1288] Watch this.

[1289] Right here.

[1290] This is one of my favorite.

[1291] This, when I was involved in this Sobara October challenge with my friends, like here.

[1292] This is what you were thinking about.

[1293] I watched this a hundred times in a row.

[1294] I just kept watching it over and over and over again when I was on the elliptical machine.

[1295] Oh, but how's the carnivore thing going?

[1296] Great.

[1297] It's going great.

[1298] You still, you still.

[1299] I keep cheating, though.

[1300] I keep cheating with dessert.

[1301] This is the problem with carniv because I've been eating carnivore too.

[1302] The problem is I, watching all.

[1303] the hallway fight as I drink a lot of beer yeah well look we're drinking whiskey well that's my problem is is dessert I've been eating dessert but I'm lean I'm look yeah I'm fairly lean for me I'm like probably like right now like 199ish somewhere around there but the problem is 200 with carnivore at least for me is it makes me feel so good and like lean and focused and just energetic yeah that when I go off the path it hits me way harder yeah and that that's almost like enforces you to be almost too stoic to where you can't have fun yeah i mean not fun i'm not nothing picking out as fun but like there's something social about even just drinking beers or just picking out it does wreck your your body though it's interesting right yeah it's weird it's like it's there's a recovery to it but it does make you feel really good it doesn't make any sense it's weird right it jacks up your testosterone you should get your your blood work done yeah and the thing that i find is that uh i don't have any crashes in the day i'm just flat throughout the day like mentally super the real criticism is coming from people who are either you know there's there's there's some people that are they're very educated about nutrition and they they have a problem with the carnivore diet they don't like there's you know there's some evidence that points to the the idea that it's unhealthy The anecdotal evidence, though, from individuals that find great benefit in it is very compelling.

[1304] And unfortunately, I'm one of those.

[1305] Then there's also, there's a lot of people that are, that they make these, they make these arguments that are not well -founded about it being bad for the environment.

[1306] And I don't necessarily think monocrop agriculture is good for the environment.

[1307] I think the problem with the environment is massive amounts of human beings consuming food.

[1308] And I don't believe the argument that there's no way to eat meat that's healthy for the environment because they've shown that you can do regenerative agriculture.

[1309] The question is, you can get it.

[1310] You can definitely buy grass -fed beef from like Joel Salatin or some polyface farms.

[1311] or there's a uh there's the company piedmontese farms they just sent me some beef you can buy um there's rome that's the is that the one that um uh the carnivore md is that his rome ranch right paul saladino it's funny enough i think ben campo something like that man campbo uh farm sent me some meat there's like ethical ways of doing it it's expensive though right it is expensive uh butcher box They use all grass -fed, grass -finished beef, all from ethically responsible farmers who they have like a real relationship with farmers and ranchers where they treat their animals ethically and fairly and humanely.

[1312] And a lot of people are like, well, how can you do that if you kill them?

[1313] You know, I understand your perspective.

[1314] I understand your perspective.

[1315] But the way they kill these animals is instantaneous.

[1316] There's a bolt to the brain.

[1317] They die instantly.

[1318] and I see the argument that you should never kill a thing but I think you need to understand that that death for an animal that is essentially a prey animal like if you look at this this weird mandala this weird if you look at the just the range of animals on the planet there are animals that eat other animals and a cow is one of those animals that gets eaten usually by large predators the way they get eaten is horrific the best way for them to die is from human hands if that human does it correctly whether it's a hunter or whether it's a farmer there's no animals that are wild animals that live to be an animal that dies of old age or if there are the numbers are so low it's you know it's like people that live to be 120 There's not a lot of them.

[1319] Most animals die by starvation, by disease, or by predators.

[1320] The vast majority, if someone comes along, whether it's me shooting it with an arrow, or whether it's an ethical, humane farmer, like one of the ones that butcher box employs or, you know, some of these other ranchers, you can get it.

[1321] The real question is not that.

[1322] I mean, there's an ethical question.

[1323] It's a debate, and it should be handled.

[1324] You can have a respectful conversation about this.

[1325] But the real question is, can that sustain 7.

[1326] Whatever billion people?

[1327] And I don't know if it can.

[1328] I don't know if that's true.

[1329] I think our problem might be the massive amount of human beings.

[1330] And the fact that very few natural ways, will sustain this population.

[1331] Monocrop agriculture is terrible.

[1332] It's terrible for the soil.

[1333] It's terrible for the environment.

[1334] It's terrible for wild.

[1335] It displaces wildlife.

[1336] When they harvest those crops, it's devastating to the wildlife.

[1337] It's devastating to small mammals and devastating to insects, devastating to birds.

[1338] It's the life for life is not, It's not one for one.

[1339] We don't look at a mouse the same way.

[1340] We look at an elk.

[1341] An elk is a large, what my friend Steve Renella calls, charismatic megafauna.

[1342] We look at them in a different way.

[1343] But it's one -to -one.

[1344] These larger things we think are more valuable.

[1345] If I shoot one elk, I eat it for a year.

[1346] Like, I give it out, oh, do you have a place to cook?

[1347] Yeah.

[1348] You have an apartment?

[1349] I got food for you.

[1350] I got elk meat.

[1351] I have two commercial freezers out here.

[1352] I would, I don't know how to put it towards my gratitude towards that, yeah.

[1353] Wow, I got good.

[1354] I got a bag for you.

[1355] I'm going to hook you up.

[1356] I feel kind of bad about eating meat that's factory farmed.

[1357] Yeah, well, I do too.

[1358] I know what you're saying.

[1359] But health -wise, I think I feel better when I eat a lot of meat.

[1360] Yeah, do you, I mean, I don't know if I could break apart the psychology of it.

[1361] Do you struggle with it?

[1362] like, like ethically, because I feel on a personal level really good eating meat.

[1363] Yeah.

[1364] And I understand, it feels, this isn't me like being social justice warrior signaling or something.

[1365] It feels like this would be one of those things that in a hundred years we'll look back and say this was a really fucked up thing that we did as a society.

[1366] I'm not sure.

[1367] This is why I'm not sure.

[1368] Because what are we going to do to control the population of these animals?

[1369] once we've established herds of cows and sheep and chickens and all these different animals that we, you know, we consider livestock, how are we going to stop, are we going to stop them from breeding?

[1370] Are we going to separate them from each other?

[1371] Are we going to play God?

[1372] Are we going to bring in predators?

[1373] Like, what are we going to do?

[1374] If we stop eating them, what are we going to do?

[1375] And are we acknowledging that there are certain, like, there's a lot of people that are, they're vegan zealots and they do not believe.

[1376] that it can be healthy to eat meat.

[1377] The problem with that is, of course, that almost all elite professional athletes eat meat.

[1378] There's very few exceptions.

[1379] There's a few that do well, and there's also a few that try vegan diets, and their bodies wind up falling apart.

[1380] And vegans hate that.

[1381] They hate when you talk about it, they get angry, because they're in, it's an ideology.

[1382] You could say it's almost cult -like.

[1383] But they also have some good points.

[1384] Like, they're not killing sentient beings, and they don't think of plants.

[1385] as being a sentient being right problem with that is of course when you do mushrooms you realize that all things are alive yeah that's what uh you i i hope you get matthew johnson in your podcast by the way that guy is he the guy that did that you had on yours yeah yeah psychedelic drugs guy yeah okay i got a okay he opened up my mind so i always thought psychedelics in general but psilocybin just everything dmt was um a fascinating like a fascinating way to explore the mind scientifically as well but he's the first person i might be ignorant made me realize you could actually do it as part of like like multi -million dollar funded studies and like explore it like rigorously i know it sounds weird but like seriously explore like what does like where can you go he is big on doing a heroic dose of psilocybin which apparently is legal as long as it's part of a study and he's been studying it for 50 years No he's a young guy Which is like You know part of Part of my excitement That this is like This is a legit This is somebody that will be following For decades to come I think He's just in the early steps of a journey He's running huge studies One of the things that really Excite me about what he's doing Is he went from Sort of using psychedelics or psilocybin or any of the other psychedelic drugs to explore like how you can treat different mental disorders, diseases, addictions and so on, to now pushing it towards how can it help a person who, like a, what he calls like a creative, like, you know, somebody like you, a comedian or somebody like Elon, like engineers, like me, engineers, scientists, all that kind of stuff.

[1386] How can it help the mind when you're not trying to treat some kind of explicit disorder but actually trying to expand your thinking about the world and actually doing that as a study that's what I'm excited about kind of waiting with just like baited breath that he runs a study that I can participate in because they'll be open to in the wild do you have any experiences at all?

[1387] I've psilocybin mushrooms yeah I've taken three four times and it was I've never had actually a negative experience were drugs.

[1388] Maybe alcohol, but that was, it's like, it's like saying, like, you know, it was more positive than negative.

[1389] I've, drugs, kids don't listen to this, but drugs have done well for me. Do you listen to the podcast I did recently with Dr. Carl Hart?

[1390] No. You would really enjoy it.

[1391] It was a little tedious in the beginning because we were talking about politics and it was post -Capital Hill and it was like, you know, he was very frustrated.

[1392] when we got into drugs then he came alive and we're he's he's well his book is right here what is his drug use for grown -ups chasing liberty in the land of here so that's not the sense i started listening to the podcast that's not the sense i got from the podcast when i started listening to it which is awesome because yeah i was i was hearing the politics and that yeah he we could i should have steered us away from that quicker but i love the guy and i just wanted to let him talk and talk with them and I wanted to get us into drugs, but I didn't want to just jump right into it because I felt like, you know, one of the things about this podcast, I feel like sometimes people come on and they realize that it's this big platform and they have a lot to say, and when there's a thing that's happened in the news that was as ridiculous as that, I shouldn't even say ridiculous, horrific is that Capitol Hill attack.

[1393] Everybody wants to get it out of their system.

[1394] So we talked.

[1395] We talked about politics for a little bit and I felt a little clunky with my descriptions of things but then we got into drugs and once we got into drugs then he shines because he was a guy who bought into all the propaganda and and you know he was he's a research scientist and a brilliant guy who wasn't into any drugs at all until he was in like his i believe he said he was in his 30s is that correct jamie somewhere on that and then you know now he takes drugs all the time He's talking about the positive benefits of heroin.

[1396] He had a shirt on that was the chemical compound for crystal meth.

[1397] Yeah, that's...

[1398] It's funny enough, like, so you talk to Avi, Loeb, you know, the Amuamua, somebody who's really open a mind about it, that.

[1399] But he's less open -minded about psychedelics and all those kinds of drugs.

[1400] It's fascinating.

[1401] Where as a species, you talk about reaching for branches, are exploring like what's yeah what's interesting and I think psychedelics is a legitimate like I haven't actually tried much at all but it feels like every time I've tried so I tried mushrooms it makes you realize that the mind is capable so much more than than you were cognizant of it makes me think that there's more to reality than we can grasp and then we need to help we need we need we need something We need a little doorway that lets us walk through to some other side, whether it's psilocybin or dimethythotryptamine or whatever the method you use.

[1402] There's a lot more out there.

[1403] We're very crude in our perceptions, our ability to perceive.

[1404] And I think our ideas of drugs, our negative ideas of drugs, are a lot of times they're flavored with the limitations of human personality and human beings.

[1405] interfacing with the world looking for escape rather than looking to explore and looking to give in to the mother Gaia and give in to these magical compounds and also there's a lot of fucking charlatans man there's a lot of people that espouse the use of psychedelics because it makes them appear to be spiritual and it boosts their their ego and and I had a conversation I've had more than one conversation with people where they say, like, you know, you don't seem like a psychedelic guy because you, like, you use, like, a lot of, like, fucked up words and you say a lot of shit you probably shouldn't say.

[1406] I'm like, well, I'm also a comic.

[1407] Like, at the end of the day, my goal is to, uh, look, I'm also accustomed to being around people that do what I do.

[1408] Like, sometimes people get taken aback by my crude language or the way I think about things or discuss things.

[1409] But my culture.

[1410] My community is comics.

[1411] At the end of the day, they're comics and fighters.

[1412] Both of those people are used, both those groups of people that community are used to saying some fucked up shit.

[1413] It's fun for us.

[1414] When you're a person who, like, there's people are accustomed to things.

[1415] Like, one of my favorite videos has nothing to do with psychedelics of a fighter.

[1416] It shows you the sense of humor of a fighter.

[1417] Is my friend John Wayne Parr after a fight.

[1418] He's got this giant gash in his head.

[1419] and they're stitching him up, and as they're stitching him up, they're opening up his thing, like a mouth, and talking like, hey, John, how was, how was today?

[1420] She's got this giant cut in his head, where a lot of people will be freaked out, they have this cut in his head.

[1421] He's laughing, it's post -fight.

[1422] You know, there's a sense of humor that fighters have, and there's a sense of humor that comedians have, and I'm sure first responders, firefighters, a lot of soldiers that I'm friends with, they have a different sense of humor too because they've seen a lot of wild shit and a lot of violence, months, they, they use, there's a style of communication that for, um, a lot of, a lot of people to just live a more pedantic, a more pedestrian, a more, a more placid life.

[1423] They don't, they don't, they're uncomfortable by it.

[1424] Yeah, I actually look to humor.

[1425] I think humor will save the world.

[1426] I think that that we'll mention.

[1427] That's only one of them That's only one of them The other one was on the side of his head He had one Where they were stitching him up It was on above his left eyebrow And it was giant John's had more than a hundred stitches I mean Way more than a hundred stitches Like hundreds of stitches in his face Yeah the people that have been through The worst shit That I've had a connection with in my life They always have a dark sense of humor about and it's a it's a kind of escape no it's not an escape it's actually i don't say it's release valve it's but not even it's almost a way to embrace the the dual nature of life that it can be really shitty and really beautiful yeah because of the ups and downs and somehow i don't know what it is about humor there's something about it that uh just reveals that the roller coaster of life the the best of it right right now the big one of course is the whole cancel culture and uh the hypocrisy within politics and so comedy like that's why it sucks that the coronavirus is keeping a lot of comedians locked up you know comedy is a way to reveal that ridiculousness and I suppose like podcasts are doing that they are they are but you know there's a lot of comedians that are back on the road now they're like fuck out I can't do this anymore and doing like hearing your show uh with Chappelle was like that was so refreshing actually there's I won't say what it is but Ron White was on the show and he said the most and I was fortunate I was sitting next to your wife and he said the most inappropriate joke and it was so refreshing for some reason it was like a it's kind of escape I know what you mean yeah that like you we've been taking ourselves so seriously in this very in this very kind of careful discourse in the public sphere that like comedians provide this kind of like they point out the elephant in the room yes like this is absurd yeah yeah and sometimes that requires going over the top and that's it made me uh yeah made me um miss the world as it was it'll be back again and the real ones like ron white and dave chapelle they'll they'll be raging stronger than ever because people are going to appreciate it and they're going to realize oh my god this is the way out we need to stop getting angry about everything and we need to start embracing humor you know it's it's important we there's a broad spectrum of human thought and we can't just live in the the fucking range of outrage that range is a shitty range you know that range that so many people exist in and one of the reasons why they exist in that rate that range the outrage range is because they're doing it online it's not a real way of communicating because of the fact that everyone's been separated from just normal regular interactions with folks you know i remember like i would feel like when i was uh when i first moved to l .a i didn't have any friends and i would feel real weird you know i would be uh i had a furnished apartment so it wasn't really it never felt like mine it felt like a hotel so that they're this place called oak woods these oakwoods apartments in uh burbank yeah i think it was in burbank um but wherever it was I was staying in these apartments, and it was just, it was weird, man. I felt weird.

[1428] Like, what am I doing here?

[1429] And then I would go to the comedy store.

[1430] And I'd be around people.

[1431] And I'd be around like -minded misfits.

[1432] And we'd all be laughing.

[1433] And I would be like, almost like somebody took like a weighted vest off of me. Like, I'm going to be okay.

[1434] It's going to be okay.

[1435] And then, you know, it felt weird again the next day.

[1436] And I had to go to the comedy store again.

[1437] We need each other.

[1438] We need each other, but we need each other.

[1439] person to person and there was no social media back then which if there was I'd probably be just like a lot of these fucking idiots that are online raging about the world looking for acceptance and looking for social justice brownie points and virtue signaling at any any turn hoping that it gets me some love and likes because that's what people are doing they think they're doing it because they're trying to correct the world but they really don't understand that they're contributing to the polarizing aspect of today's culture and climate we need to be around each other Can you ask you a weird question?

[1440] Sure.

[1441] So I've been a fan of your podcast for a long time.

[1442] I listen to, as I listen to most episodes, I listen to the one of Yannis, I think.

[1443] Yonis Pappas.

[1444] Yeah, by the way, oh, yeah, thank you.

[1445] He's hilarious.

[1446] He's awesome.

[1447] He's a great Twitter follow, too.

[1448] Yeah, yeah.

[1449] I got to, cheers.

[1450] I got to actually go to the show with him.

[1451] I was at the table with him.

[1452] um i'm also a big fan of his podcast uh i think it's called history hyenas yeah he's it's so it's like the complete opposite of den carlin it's just like comedians shooting the shit over but that said about the war war two and greek uh crete people should like read the greeks are bad motherfuckers oh yeah jesus like i was they i was surprised how much they contributed to just pushing back there's a lot to discuss there but like they helped push stall the Nazis in the fact that it took much longer to then after conquering Crete they had to go to Russia and they succeeded the Greeks successfully stalled the Nazis to where most of the war was in the winter pushing towards Stalin Guard this fascinating history there i always love the kind of 300 where you stand back and like just a few people are able to fight back the the storm of evil yeah that's always badass that movie's amazing too it's so fantastical and ridiculous and over the top but but just fun yeah but anyway there's something about him it must have been the whiskey uh there's a sadness that i've heard over the past couple months from yonness and me from you really um i might be wrong on that i just i wanted to ask like because you mentioned about friendships in l .a and so on hmm like are you doing okay yeah i'm fine like so i'm remarkably resilient despite the fact that i fucked up the word remarkably uh grammar could use some work and uh yeah pronunciation i'm i feel great yeah you feel good yeah why would where are you getting that sadness thing from I think, so what I heard, it's maybe a slight romantic thing, you brought up your wife and so on, and there was like, just a, like a longing for human connection.

[1453] About her?

[1454] No, not your wife.

[1455] Just in the way you were talking about things.

[1456] I don't know, that was, that stood out to me more than usual.

[1457] Usually it was like Joey Diaz shooting shit for the years, right?

[1458] It just felt like you were more I mean I guess we all Grow and change It felt like you were I don't want to say softened up But there's a There's a sadness in there a little bit Well I think sometimes I mourn for the death of L .A I really do And I think when I'm around comics sometimes It's particularly comics like Yanna So I met at the comedy store There is a part of me that gets this part We're like god damn it You know like This is gone.

[1459] It's gone, man. L .A. is gone.

[1460] You know, my friend Brendan Schaubb was just, he drove his bike down on the comedy story the other day.

[1461] He was texting me. He's like, dude, this is the Walking Dead.

[1462] It is so fucked up down here now.

[1463] There's nothing open.

[1464] It's so strange.

[1465] It's so weird.

[1466] It feels so dangerous and so different than it used to feel.

[1467] I mean.

[1468] Did people feel that way?

[1469] Also sad to see about New York.

[1470] It's just so.

[1471] But why do you think?

[1472] it was when I was talking about my wife because you don't usually bring up your wife.

[1473] Oh, I think it was because he was talking about his or something like that.

[1474] I know, but he was at which hilariously enough, he was talking like about something about him becoming famous and like trying to plan ahead that if he's going to be continued being married like pre -nup style, he wants to make sure that there's I mean, he's just laughing.

[1475] But there's just, I don't know, there's a melancholic kind of of longing for uh like lucy k has this bit where he's like i think he talks about uh like listening to bruce springsteen and pulling out to the side of the road and crying or something every once in a while just like remembering that life is like both beautiful and tragic there's just that you don't usually hear from um from you well um i mean maybe we were drinking and that's part of it um the reason why i don't bring my wife up too much is she doesn't really like it talk about her because I'll say something fucked up and she doesn't want to so I try to hedge my bets with that but yeah well it's funny in your show you brought up your wife I won't mention the bits or whatever all those jokes she gets upset at those too she was laughing I was like I looked over at her to make sure it's cool she's a great person I got very she makes me a better person she really does I don't say that lightly you know if I didn't think I didn't like her.

[1476] I wouldn't be, well, see, I say I wouldn't be around, but I would.

[1477] And one of the reasons why I would is because I have kids.

[1478] And I think there's a, there's a thing that there's like, this is my girlfriend.

[1479] And then then there's, this is the mother of my children.

[1480] And it is a fucking different animal, man. It's a different animal.

[1481] You know, it's like a lot of people said, like, you know, you never really, you thought marriage was stupid.

[1482] And then you decided to get married.

[1483] Well, I had children.

[1484] I had children.

[1485] like you have whatever I think is stupid about marriage like I think the idea of here's it's not the idea of committing to someone is not stupid but the idea of a legal contract with a government agency about love it is stupid there's no love in the courts there's no there's no there's no love in these civil unions and all this nonsense no the love is between two people and there's something weird about saying can I get it on paper I love you you love me we love each other okay imagine if you did that to your best friend like Lex you and I are friends I love you I think you're a great guy can we get that on paper can I get that on paper if I pulled us like Lex you and I've been friends for a few years now right let's fucking make it official it's make it official bro and then if you stop taking my calls I want money I want to be able to half of what you make it's weird because when sex is involved with human beings we have these cultural norms but these these cultural standards about relationships are based about there's two things going on one there's like if a woman commits to a man and she's enhancing his career and she abandons her own to try to help him and then she doesn't have a career and then he gets rid of her and cashes her out for a new model and then she's fucked and she needs alimony or vice versa like the tom arnold situation, right?

[1486] Where Tom Marl, that's our guy.

[1487] Like, we've all talked about that.

[1488] That's our fucking Michael Jordan when it comes to male alimony.

[1489] He married an incredibly successful woman, Roseanne Barr, and then when he got divorced from her, he got paid, and he got rich and famous from that.

[1490] There's that, and then there's when there's children involved.

[1491] And I think as a guy who grew up without a father, without my real father, I don't know my real father i have a stepfather i'm very fortunate my stepfather was in my life and he's a great guy and my mom has been in my life my whole life i'm very fortunate because there's some people that don't have neither of those things right um i it's it means a lot to me to be there for my kids it means a lot to me and it doesn't mean that i love my wife any less but it'd be like whatever the marriage thing like i was like okay like yeah we we had a kid like okay i'll i'll abandon all of of my preconceived notions about the silliness of legal contracts with the state.

[1492] It doesn't mean I don't love anyone any less or it cheapens it at all.

[1493] But I think the thing is ridiculous.

[1494] You stand in front of each other?

[1495] I do.

[1496] I do.

[1497] I guess have a wedding song or like a...

[1498] Do you do a dance?

[1499] I barely got through the whole thing.

[1500] It was so as a comic, it's so preposterous to me. But it doesn't mean I don't love any less.

[1501] It doesn't mean that I don't appreciate her any less.

[1502] I appreciate the fuck out of that.

[1503] No, you do.

[1504] And that's that's one of the inspiring things.

[1505] It's Like, I see that with, that's one of the reasons that, like, Elon, is allowing yourself to be excited about awesome things, just being, I don't know, seeing the beauty and things.

[1506] And one of the inspiring things about you is just saying nice things about your wife.

[1507] I, it's funny, but it's rare.

[1508] It stood out, actually.

[1509] Most people just kind of talk shit about.

[1510] But I genuinely have a great time with her.

[1511] Yeah.

[1512] I really do.

[1513] And that's awesome.

[1514] And we've been together for a long time.

[1515] and we've grown together like who I am now is not who I was when I met her I'm a different person and part of me being a different person is my relationship with her but she doesn't like me talking she's gonna be mad at this yeah sorry not really bad she won't be mad because I'm saying nice things but you know relationships are odd man because a lot of them go bad and my problems with marriage was growing up seeing marriages that went bad and seeing traps like when i was look my grandparents were lovely people but jesus christ did they fight they fought in the worst way it was horrible to be around to be a little kid and my grandmother screaming at my grandfather and i remember thinking fuck this i remember being trapped in my grandparents home like they're watching me like my mom's out doing something she's going to come back and they yell at you it josephine and joseph my grandfather my unoriginal family family.

[1516] My grandfather's name was Joseph.

[1517] My grandmother's name was Josephine.

[1518] They're fucking yelling at each other.

[1519] And I remember being terrified because I was a little kid and thinking like, God, I don't ever want to be trapped with some fucking person where they don't like each other anymore.

[1520] Or even if they love each other, they've developed these patterns of communication that are so negative and corrosive.

[1521] They're just screaming each other all the time.

[1522] And when I was a young man, that's how I thought about relationships.

[1523] And also, I had a bunch of bad ones growing up especially when i was broke when i when you're broke and you have like and your future looks pretty fucking sketchy boy you you learn a lot and those girls were right they were right to look at me like skeptically like this motherfucker he thinks he's funny like where are you going with this where is this career going and you know there was like when girls would cheat on me like if i found out about it was like there was a relief i was like oh great and i have to wait for this to happen like it already happened like i i knew it was coming like this is my my concept of relationships they were always tortured and struggling and for what is the percentage of people to get divorced in this country i keep hearing 50 % but yeah something ridiculous Chris rock has the best bit about that he goes he goes that's the ones that have the courage to leave because how many cowards just stay he's right and he's divorced by the way Chris rock's divorced you know so but the problem is and also you know he's got some horrific jokes about how much money he had to pay in divorce and you know he's like my mom my wife made more money in comedy last year than Dave Chappelle which is fucking horrible yeah Jeff Bezos's wife has done really good money good things with the money yeah listen Jeff Bezos is so goddamn rich that given her 34 billion and didn't even put a dent in them.

[1524] No, no debt.

[1525] Elon, number one, though, currently.

[1526] Elon Musk, the richest man on earth.

[1527] Well, other than the Saudis that don't give up the numbers.

[1528] Or Putin.

[1529] Let's just pick the truth on the table.

[1530] Oh, yeah.

[1531] Putin, too, right?

[1532] Yeah.

[1533] A lot of those oil folks, they have undisclosed incomes, right?

[1534] I think they probably laugh.

[1535] Oh, good job for you.

[1536] Number one.

[1537] I think it's funny.

[1538] Oh, you're number one.

[1539] Congratulations, my friend.

[1540] How did you do it?

[1541] You know, because it's money is a weird thing, right?

[1542] Because you really only have time, you know, and do you have enough time to recoup that money that you gave up and how much of your life is based on the lifestyle that that money provides?

[1543] Like, what is it about your life that you think that you need a certain number?

[1544] number, right?

[1545] And there's, look, I have a friend as I've talked about him before, but I'll say it one more time because he has one of my worst stories about marriage.

[1546] He got divorced.

[1547] He's been divorced for 14 years.

[1548] He's been married to a new woman for 12 years.

[1549] He doesn't even have a baby with the first woman.

[1550] And he's still paying her hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.

[1551] And it kills him.

[1552] It kills him.

[1553] It's crazy.

[1554] And my joke is like, did he fuck her so hard she can never work again?

[1555] Like he was in a relationship with the woman.

[1556] It didn't work out.

[1557] But he has to continue sending her a giant chunk of his income every year.

[1558] And it kills him.

[1559] Yeah, it can make you cynical about, like, the, it can affect their future relationships.

[1560] It could affect your ability to be like...

[1561] It causes some men to become misogynists.

[1562] Yeah.

[1563] It causes some men to look at women as like parasites.

[1564] It's not good.

[1565] It's not healthy.

[1566] You know, I don't necessarily think that all divorce settlements are like that.

[1567] but I do think that there is an odd thing when you have an industry that is based around extracting money from people that have it and what that is is like Phil Hartman told me once when he was he was trying to get divorced from his wife and he's like I go just give her half he goes it's not half it's two thirds he goes it's a scam the lawyers take a third and I remember thinking like oh shit I never even thought about that that's the scam the scam is they drag it out and I've had multiple friends who've been involved in divorces where it's dragged out.

[1568] Yeah, my worry is the, that's my biggest fear of marriage is the lawyers on the divorce side.

[1569] That's why I wasn't into it for the long's time.

[1570] You know, but listen, man, you're going to have the bigger commitment is children.

[1571] That's the big, you have a life form, you have a human being.

[1572] You have the most precious person in your life.

[1573] When you have a baby, man, the weird feelings that you have about love, like the intensity of the love is it's so overwhelming like you know I can look at pictures of my kids when they're little and I start crying it's crazy the the feeling that you have about children is just a fucking game changer and it makes you just think about all of you know all of your your preconceived notions about humans and they all go out the window because I think of all people as babies now I use used to be an angry person i used to think of that guy's a fuckhead and now i think that guy is a baby that just grew up all fucked up and now here he is a 40 year old douchebag how do they uh hope you don't mind saying how do they like the move to texas they love it they love it here laa feels like a weird place for yeah it's healthier for them here kids are more normal here kids in la there's here being famous doesn't seem like a viable option in l .a it seemed like the most viable option, like the most primary option.

[1574] Oh, you mean like there's a...

[1575] There's a community of people that are focused around the Kardashians and the athletes and the musicians and the this and the that and their whole ideas.

[1576] You know, this obviously sounds hypocritical is coming from someone who happens to be famous, but I think that it's an empty pursuit.

[1577] You know, you can get famous.

[1578] doing a thing that you love or you can try to be famous and there are two very different things and i think there's been many times in my life where i was trying to get famous because it seemed like it was impossible right like when i was young and first getting on television first doing comedy because it just seemed like impossible like how does someone get famous how does it i could see other people famous like how are they famous this is great it seemed nuts yeah but be careful what you wish for you think uh you think fame changed you like are you able to like be cognizant of ways in which the fact that this podcast is the biggest podcast in the world and just all all of that how that's changing your mind i mean that that i think about that with power that you might not be cognizant of the way that power is changing you that's why i find Putin fascinating so what Like do you look in the mirror and see Like you're not the man you used to be In some dimension Like this is a different human Because you're so fucking famous Believe it or not I think about that very little And I think this is one of the keys to my success I think so I see that Legitimately I don't think I think just interacting me offline in general I don't think you're it doesn't look at you acknowledge to yourself that you're famous like you don't you're not living with that truth you're not like lingering it you're still pursuing the things that make you happy that yeah I I tend to believe that you can do the same with power like I tend to believe a president could do that same kind of thing that's what we would hope right you would hope that some president gets to a position of power not because they crave it but because they have solutions to problems and they generally think that they can help the world.

[1579] I'm not saying that I'm not equating my, like I'm not favorably comparing myself to a president or something like that.

[1580] But I think I got a slow drip of fame and that's one of the things that helped me. You know, I started, I got on television for the first time in like the early 90s with doing stand -up comedy and then it led to a sitcom and it led to Fear Factor in the UFC and all these different things and then ultimately it accidentally led to the biggest thing that I ever did which was this is this the biggest thing you ever did this podcast?

[1581] Oh by far yeah by by magnitudes but yeah massive giant numbers of magnitudes different than anything I've ever done what was the for some reason that your Bernie Sanders' conversation popped into mind because that's my favorite part about the inauguration that happened is Bernie Sanders sitting there in comfy clothes with like mittens and he's sitting back I don't know if you know those pictures have you seen the memes there's so many memes of it I'm sorry I'm sorry the internet is undefeated there's so many awesome memes of him doing different thing but the original the original just the sitting there not giving a damn well i think he gives a damn i think he's recognizing that it's never going to happen you know he had this idea that he was going to sort of uh help the work class i really do believe that guy was legitimate i think he stood for what he really truly believed i think there's a lot of people that felt disappointed that there was you know some votes that he wasn't there for that he could have helped and some stands that he could have taken that he didn't and then ultimately that he kind of like gave into the uh the powers that be and the status quo but i think i'm meeting him and talking to him and i don't know maybe i'm a romantic but i really do believe that he had in mind only good intentions and i think he really did want to help working families and i really did do think that he wanted to was one of the reasons why i supported him i think he really did want to alleviate student loan debt.

[1582] He really wanted to make universities free.

[1583] He really did want to make it so that health care was accessible to everybody.

[1584] He really did want to make it so that a living wage was something that people can expect if they work a job.

[1585] And, you know, the economists be damned.

[1586] I don't know if they're right.

[1587] I don't know who's right when it comes to that, whether or not like 15 bucks an hour is going to cripple our culture and crush businesses.

[1588] I'm too dumb i really don't know but but he's a genuine human and that that that's a rare quality you felt like you could disagree with his policies but like it feels like we should have a person like that's rare for a politician yeah you know who's also genuine is tulsie gabbard she's genuine as fuck man she was here yesterday she was on the podcast yesterday yeah it's out today she's amazing he's a like a genuine like a legit human being like that that's who she is one one thing that's on my to -do list is to investigate, look into why there's so much hate towards her.

[1589] I was confused.

[1590] So every time I've heard her...

[1591] They couldn't control her.

[1592] We talked about on the podcast.

[1593] The moment she decided to run for president, it all started coming after her.

[1594] They started calling her a Russian asset.

[1595] And dude, she's a, she served, she's a congresswoman for eight years.

[1596] She served overseas twice.

[1597] She was, you know, she was involved in, like, when she was involved in these situations where she's working for medical units where they're bringing in soldiers blown apart she's seen that's why she has that white streak in her hair they came from one of her deployments stress just stress just the freaking out over these horrific scenes that she was seeing over and over again that's why she has this non -interventionalist foreign policy ideas that are so important to her this this stop ending these endless war wars or stop rather having and participating in these endless wars she's a she's a legitimate patriot man did she talk about running no she's doing a podcast like her own yeah it's called this is is tulsie gabbard because she felt like she was so misrepresented you know we talked about her being attacked on the view and how that collapsed on those people and it's like these the merchants of hate out there trying to you know spew their vitriol on people it's a you're So there's a whole business in that with people.

[1598] Podcasts could be the thing that actually saves us.

[1599] It's a, you know, a lot of really interesting people.

[1600] Andrew Yang is doing a podcast.

[1601] It's just a, it's a way to express yourself in a long form format and being nuanced.

[1602] And it feels it's refreshing.

[1603] Yeah.

[1604] I do think you should give platform to certain folks.

[1605] who are crazy people no not not crazy people there's just some people who don't have a platform currently he's no longer president but uh Donald Trump yeah you should you should give him a chance because he's banned everywhere else I figured that it'd be nice that would be a crazy conversation dude yeah I I mean I know if I'm ready I know if I'm into that yeah I think I feel like he can make his own YouTube video he's got his own he's got his own platforms There's a, there's a complexity to that human being.

[1606] Oh, for sure.

[1607] When you hear a story, again, coming from someone who has children, and, you know, the story that is, what was his cousin, paints of him or his niece?

[1608] Yeah, that's right.

[1609] Is his niece or his cousin?

[1610] Yeah, it's, uh, whatever the name of a book is.

[1611] It's a story that resonates with anyone that has had a difficult upbringing and recognizes the need that children have for the love of their parents.

[1612] There's a thing that happens to children when they're raised incorrectly.

[1613] They're raised with the wrong input.

[1614] Yeah, Mary Trump.

[1615] You know, I wish, I was so mad at this book.

[1616] I don't even know if she's right.

[1617] I don't know.

[1618] So the problem with this book is that she had the opportunity to write a deep psychological study of Donald Trump that's apolitical, and she kept inserting politics into it.

[1619] She kept inserting her obviously liberal point of view.

[1620] as opposed to studying a fascinating, complicated human being who's obviously achieved a lot of things in this world.

[1621] Well, you know what?

[1622] I bet that's probably what the editors want, and I bet that's probably what a lot of other people wanted.

[1623] But I agree with you is that I want to be able to make up my own political ideas and my own political decisions.

[1624] I want to know what you know about this human.

[1625] How this, I mean, she might, you know, if Donald Trump might sit down and write a book about her, let me tell you something about this bitch.

[1626] That's a good title for a book That's your good title of his book Let me tell you something about this bitch She was always mean and fucking She always complained and blamed other people And she was always lazy And she was always mad at her cousins Like who knows I'm just exaggerating and making things up She's probably a wonderful person But my point is We don't know When a person just writes something And the other person doesn't even get to respond Interject It's a real problem You can get a very distorted perception of who that human being is.

[1627] Yeah, and...

[1628] What's the matter, Jamie?

[1629] We were talking about Putin a second ago, by being the richest man in the world.

[1630] I've stumbled across the current story that is very interesting.

[1631] Do you remember the...

[1632] I think he's considered maybe Putin's rival, the guy that got poisoned.

[1633] Oh, yeah.

[1634] So he's recently traveled back to Russia.

[1635] Did you hear about this?

[1636] Yeah, I did.

[1637] As of two days ago, he uploaded a video onto YouTube.

[1638] I'm going to show you just a second.

[1639] It has over, it has 50 million views in two days.

[1640] This is Putin's billion dollar palace.

[1641] Yeah, it's a two -hour video where this guy's breaking down what this is.

[1642] It's a like $1 .4 billion palace that has all sorts of crazy.

[1643] It sounds crazy.

[1644] There are English subtitles on here.

[1645] I obviously don't have the time to look through this at the moment.

[1646] I haven't seen a video get that many views that quick in a long time.

[1647] Oh my God, it's 49 million views.

[1648] Play some of it.

[1649] I just want to see the palace.

[1650] This is, how big is it?

[1651] It's huge.

[1652] They're like, one of the guys that was looking into this brings up that they have a...

[1653] Oh, it's legitimately Navalny's video.

[1654] Yeah, this is his video.

[1655] There's other videos that are smaller, but this is the actual two -hour one.

[1656] How much time do you think he's got left on Earth?

[1657] He went back.

[1658] The size of the balls this man has to go back.

[1659] They're bringing up this, it's a stripper room, but they're like, there's this room in the basement that has no windows.

[1660] and weirdly a poll.

[1661] How does he have this information?

[1662] They have the plans.

[1663] They have 3D renderings.

[1664] They have drones footage.

[1665] There's like an enclosed ice rink.

[1666] There's a 2 ,500 square foot greenhouse.

[1667] Wow.

[1668] So he might be the richest man in the world.

[1669] Comrade.

[1670] Can we take the video down?

[1671] According to him, he like owns everything in Russia or something.

[1672] He owns everything in Russia.

[1673] Well, he is a man. What is his?

[1674] Does he have a lot of support in Russia?

[1675] Yeah.

[1676] Yeah, still a huge amount of support.

[1677] I mean, the young...

[1678] Is it the same kind of support, like Trump has support?

[1679] Like support for the strong man?

[1680] Yes, but he is much better.

[1681] This is what I mentioned with the charisma of Hitler, not equating anybody in this conversation.

[1682] But Putin is actually two things.

[1683] He's very charismatic and, like, witty, intelligent, thoughtful.

[1684] So it's very different style than Donald Trump, who's more chaotic, comedian -like just off -the -cuff kind of way.

[1685] And the other thing that Putin is, which a lot of dictators have been throughout history, it says really good at his job, actually, of being a manager, of being president.

[1686] He loves his job.

[1687] He doesn't love, he loves his job more than he loves power, which is fascinating to watch.

[1688] Stalin was similar to that.

[1689] Is that why he's effective?

[1690] That's why he's effective.

[1691] You know, you can have critical perspectives on it.

[1692] You can have positive perspectives on it.

[1693] But the truth is he's really good at doing the, having the meetings with the different people that are responsible for energy, for agriculture, for the way the country runs, actually listening to them.

[1694] Obama was really good at this and listening to the different experts and understanding what they're saying, even though he himself is not expert in it, asking the right questions.

[1695] thinking through it, calling you out in your bullshit if you're corrupt.

[1696] He's actually really good at fighting corruption.

[1697] A lot of people argue that he's actually, while he's good at fighting corruption, he's creating an extra, like another level of corruption by the way the kind of cronies he gets into government.

[1698] But the fact is, he calls people out on their bullshit.

[1699] When he gives a lot of money to a different kinds of region to perform a certain task, he expects that task to be performed like if a certain kind of infrastructure has to be built he calls you on your bullshit if you didn't build that set of roads or whatever the infrastructure is so he's good at his job the stuff that's underneath it the potential hypocrisy or the deeply unethical things for which there's very little proof but almost like common sense like Epstein didn't kill himself level of like logic is you know it bothers a lot of people especially in the West but in Russia I think he still has majority support I'm pretty sure he has significant support in Russia young people are who love the West who love the idea of freedom they don't like the idea of what Putin is doing which is essentially an authoritarian government he's essentially a dictator and if you love the idea of freedom even if Putin is good for Russia it feels like this is the wrong man to bring freedom to Russia and that's where that's ultimately where the battle is of the battle for freedom they look at America yeah it's a giant mess of just division and all that kind of stuff but I think what permeates everything that's going on in America is a love of freedom.

[1700] We have a different definition of what that means but ultimately we want to be free to pursue the thing that we love doing whatever that is.

[1701] This country, the United States of America allows people, whatever weird thing they're into, or amazing thing they're into, to be able to pursue that and build, if it's a engineering to build that thing or if it's art to create that thing and not be stopped by kind of institutional breaks that slow you down and so like the left defines that as saying you know if you're a minority then there's all these institutions that slow you down in terms of your ability to be free and expressing your yourself to your fullest potential and then people on the right are saying where there's all these, like, how do you put it nicely, but, you know, government overreach and controlling, stifling businesses, stifling conversations, stifling thought, stifling the truth, you know, by sort of saying that this is what, by using terms like white supremacy, by using all these kinds of terminology, being with stifling freedom of speech.

[1702] That's people on the right are saying that about the, left but ultimately the struggle is for freedom of speech and then really effectively in Putin's Russia all of those freedoms are kind of absent if we're honest really effectively that's an interesting way to put it because you can make an argument that the main flaw of our democracy is that every four years we change leadership right and there's a battle as soon as the person takes office to establish who's going to be the next person in line four years from now.

[1703] So oftentimes, like, this is one of the things that, to quote Chris Rock again, he was talking about Obama.

[1704] A lot of people were disappointed with Obama's first term, and he was saying, you've got to wait until the second term, that's when he can do some really gangster shit because he knows he can't go anywhere.

[1705] But isn't that a strange thing?

[1706] That, like, if you had any other job, Right.

[1707] Like imagine if I only had four years to do this podcast.

[1708] Go back and listen to the first four years.

[1709] They're fucking terrible.

[1710] I didn't know what I was doing.

[1711] I wasn't good at it yet.

[1712] I needed to figure out how to communicate with people.

[1713] And I think I'm better today than I was yesterday.

[1714] And I think I'm better.

[1715] I'll be better tomorrow than I am today.

[1716] And I think I, you get better if you care, if you work at it.

[1717] Is that the same thing with someone who runs a government?

[1718] I would imagine there's some similarities in parents.

[1719] Now, the problem with that is, of course, you have to, the best case in error is you have a benevolent dictator.

[1720] You have a dictator that cares, but realizes like, you fucking idiots, I need to take care of you, but I really do love taking care of you.

[1721] And I'm going to do it within your best interests.

[1722] And I'm going to try to do my very best to run this country the right way.

[1723] I don't think anybody thinks that of any of our presidents.

[1724] I think everybody thinks that our presidents are beholden to special interest groups and lobbyists and all the people that got them in the positions of power in the first place.

[1725] Modern day presidents, I think.

[1726] And also, when they get out, we know what they're doing.

[1727] They're going to go right to bankers and start doing speeches for $500 ,000 and all that shit.

[1728] We know it's a scam, but we hope they do it the best they can with the system that's in place as corrupt as it is, as fucking entangled with money as it is.

[1729] But if there was someone like a person, Putin character, like our American Putin, like some, who would it be?

[1730] Some fucking Clint Eastwood type dude who just like, you know what I mean?

[1731] Chaco Willing type of character.

[1732] Jocko Willing, I'm all for it.

[1733] Jocko for president.

[1734] Well, it's a good question whether, I mean, this is to me, there's exact parallel between your trajectory and podcast, which have been 11 years, and Putin.

[1735] But I haven't poisoned anybody, allegedly.

[1736] He hasn't poisoned anybody, allegedly.

[1737] Alleged, this is put alleged, what's in this drink?

[1738] I think the question is whether in your case fame, but there's power there too, changes you.

[1739] And in case of Putin, does power change you?

[1740] I use my power as much as possible to help other people.

[1741] But why?

[1742] Because I like it.

[1743] I like helping people.

[1744] I really do.

[1745] I like letting people know about you.

[1746] I like letting people know about Tim Dillon.

[1747] I like letting people know about funny comedians and good people and real people.

[1748] interesting authors and guys like Carl Hart, I like people, I like people to know about interesting people.

[1749] I don't feel comfortable with the position that I'm in and I don't deserve it.

[1750] And if people say I don't deserve it, you're right.

[1751] Guess what?

[1752] Nobody deserves it.

[1753] I know I don't deserve it.

[1754] It's unbalanced.

[1755] It's disproportionate.

[1756] I'm aware of it.

[1757] I'm 100 % aware of it.

[1758] So I do my best to spread the love.

[1759] That's what I try to do, you know?

[1760] Part of being a comedian you get made fun of by your friends and there's people that put you in check that's the concern with power in the political spectrum is there's I think how many people can really talk to Putin and be in and say nobody bro you you were kind of a dick last night well does Putin have anyone that's smarter than him that he's friends with too that he recognizes you know I have a gang of people that are way smarter than me that I can talk to you know i can call them up i go hey man but the important thing is something in your genetics keeps saying that they're smarter than you you can also convince yourself that you're smarter than them no not mean but it's possible human beings do that it's like i think it's my martial arts background too i think i think there's a few things that contribute to the development of a human being like one of them is just being humbled by whatever the mechanisms and it seems like martial are jihitsu.

[1761] So uniquely humbling.

[1762] And daily.

[1763] This is why, sorry, I'm a little biased in being open -minded towards Putin because of his judo background.

[1764] He's legit.

[1765] He's legit.

[1766] I mean, when you watch, look, I know those guys are going with him, they're not trying to kill him, but I've watched Putin train.

[1767] And I watch this technique.

[1768] You know, I'm not a judoka.

[1769] I have no belt in judo.

[1770] Although, I think Wikipedia says I have a belt in judo.

[1771] I'm zero belts in judo.

[1772] I know like two hip throws.

[1773] But he's unquestionably legit.

[1774] He's a real black belt.

[1775] You know, there's no doubt about it.

[1776] I watch him move.

[1777] He knows what he's doing.

[1778] And actually really good at it.

[1779] Like, there's people that do judo can understand there's a way when you watch a martial artist move.

[1780] You understand this person understands the art. Yeah.

[1781] And he is one of those.

[1782] They have refined technique.

[1783] Yeah.

[1784] They've learned from real masters.

[1785] And we're humble for long, for long periods.

[1786] This isn't some little tool you learn while you're part of the KGB.

[1787] He really loved judo.

[1788] And for some reason, my might be a sucker and biased in that sense.

[1789] It makes me feel like this person is human.

[1790] You got a little bit of a Putin crush.

[1791] You got a Putin crush on you.

[1792] Putin, right?

[1793] No. I'm fascinated by the man But I'm also fascinated by Donald Trump I'm fascinated by Barack Obama By like the complexity of what makes a human being And by the way, I'm a sucker for good speeches People who are saying that Joe Biden speech In the inauguration, I don't know if you heard it I didn't hear it Is a good speech I think Barack Obama the whole time was sitting In the Bernie Sanders stance Saying like, hold my beer That was a terrible speech.

[1794] There's such an opportunity to crush it right now.

[1795] Really?

[1796] With a beautiful speech.

[1797] And it was like a very generic, positive unity kind of.

[1798] But if you want to do a unity speech, you better bring your best Martin Luther King, Jr. You better bring your best Obama that sucked.

[1799] But I'm fascinated by these complicated people that come to power.

[1800] Obama is one of them.

[1801] I think he's way more fascinating than people give them credit for.

[1802] Yeah, I agree.

[1803] There's no way he's not.

[1804] You know, raised by a single mother, you know, in Hawaii, he's an interesting character.

[1805] And, you know, rose to the highest ranks of government in a very unusual way.

[1806] You know, he's our best statesman that we've ever had, in my opinion, you know.

[1807] I mean, people love Kennedy because he died.

[1808] If Kennedy lived, who knows what we think of him, probably hate him after the first term.

[1809] he was very hated when he died you know um yeah he's a special human but also to be special to be fascinating you don't have to be our best it can be our worst yeah but he was our best statesman yeah the our best communicator that i mean he was the smoothest and the cleanest in this but in at the time Kennedy bucked the system harder than anybody i mean i'm sure you've heard this uh speech that kennedy gave about secret societies You know, it's a brilliant speech.

[1810] It's absolutely brilliant.

[1811] And that was before they fucking shot him in the head.

[1812] They're like, that's enough of this because he was combating the very thing that ultimately murdered him.

[1813] And his whole speech, I mean, his are really strong speeches, which is like, we choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things.

[1814] Not because they're easy, because they're hard.

[1815] And also ask not what you can do.

[1816] You can do for your country.

[1817] Where your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.

[1818] And he has a more general one about ask not what America can do for you, ask what you can do for the world, something like that.

[1819] Yeah, no, he was amazing in a lot of ways and didn't, you know, it wasn't around that long.

[1820] Died in his 40s, you know.

[1821] The good ones die young.

[1822] Can I read a poem?

[1823] Fuck yeah, we'll end it with this.

[1824] Yeah.

[1825] We have a tradition.

[1826] Yeah.

[1827] Maybe one day when I bring a robot, you'll actually wear a suit.

[1828] You still have that same goofy watch?

[1829] that thing is gigantic people it's the same Amazon do you like it I like you attached to it oh like like one of like John Wicks style like if you kill my dog I will destroy it all of you no I feel like it's ridiculous for you yeah some of the things unnecessary do you use it for anything other than the time yeah that's that's what a watch is for other than the time yeah other than the time other than no oh I do not use it for anything but to check the time why do you need a watch so large this is the problem with americans they want their heart rate they want their sleep schedule no that's not what i'm saying i don't want you i listen you want what do you uh what do you want it to talk dirty to you take this that's yours now that that's an omega and that has a moon phase see that moon in the bottom of it that's yours that's yours you see the moon on the bottom of it?

[1830] Do you see that?

[1831] This is a happy man right now.

[1832] That's my watch.

[1833] That's my favorite watch, by the way.

[1834] Do you see the moon in the bottom of it?

[1835] Yeah.

[1836] That is the actual moon phase.

[1837] It's a real high resolution photograph of the moon, and as the moon rises, it will rise.

[1838] It's set in the position where the moon is currently.

[1839] Oh, that's awesome.

[1840] Fuck yeah, it's awesome.

[1841] Take that piece of shit stupid fucking frisbee you got on your wrist.

[1842] You can't get this back because you just did it on record.

[1843] It's yours, man. Joe, thank you so much.

[1844] This is a steampunk watch.

[1845] That fucking stupid thing.

[1846] Writes it and erases it every minute.

[1847] That's so dumb.

[1848] But that watch, that watch is my favorite watch, and I want you to have it.

[1849] Joe, thank you.

[1850] My pleasure.

[1851] See that?

[1852] Big ass wrist.

[1853] Yeah.

[1854] I do.

[1855] Well, we can get it sized for you.

[1856] No, no, this is perfect.

[1857] Fuck, man. But you see the little moon?

[1858] Thank you, so much.

[1859] Do you see it at the bottom?

[1860] Wait until it comes full moon.

[1861] You get a real sense of what it looks like.

[1862] It's beautiful.

[1863] It's a beautiful, high.

[1864] resolution image and one of the reasons why like omegas first of all the astronauts that went to the moon allegedly they uh wore omegas but uh also it's a kind it doesn't have the same sort of cash a value as rolexes or a lot of like the a lot of like the people that have a peripheral understanding of watches yeah but they're fucking phenomenal watches they make amazing watches i have a bunch of omegas i love them but that is my favorite watch and you have my favorite watch now joe thank you Actually, this is the one thing I think that watch could add is perspective on the cosmic scale.

[1865] That's why I like that watch and that's why I think you should have it because I would look at that watch and I would say this is where we are right now with the moon cycle.

[1866] And when it comes full moon, like right now it's just kind of like a little it's probably a quarter moon or something like Yeah.

[1867] Well, when it comes full noon, you'll get a real sense of what it actually looks like because it's beautiful.

[1868] It's a beautiful high resolution image of the moon with like little stars behind it.

[1869] See how much shit, Connor?

[1870] got for his watch this week yeah but that's ridiculous watch i don't like those watches i mean look you could like whatever you like yeah that that's a million dollars his watch that's preposterous it's all filled with diamonds and shit i don't own a single diamond i've never had a diamond in my life and i want a fucking diamond i like engineering that's what i like i'm i'm a fan of engineering and what i like about that watch is the engineering behind it is that there it's a mechanical watch meaning the time is kept within like a second or two i don't know what it is, like a day, or I forget what it is, but also with a complication.

[1871] There's this crazy complication that shows the moon rising across, and when it goes dark, I know when I can go outside and see the stars, because I look at my watch.

[1872] And when my watch shows me no moon, that's when I go outside of my deck.

[1873] Because when I go outside of my deck, I know I'm just going to see nothing but stars and no moon at all.

[1874] No light pollution, just beautiful stars in the sky.

[1875] Oh, I'm going to take care of this one.

[1876] Take care of it, my brother.

[1877] Take care of it.

[1878] Read your poem.

[1879] This one, maybe it doesn't make sense for a white guy from Russia to read, but I, the reason I love this.

[1880] You're a different kind of white guy.

[1881] White people from Russia are a different kind of white people.

[1882] I've been saying that about fighters for a long time.

[1883] Russian fighters, that's a different kind of white people.

[1884] But when I came to this country, what I fell in love with is the freedom.

[1885] That is a silly fucking guy like me can do anything I want in my life.

[1886] and so this one is from Maya Angelou called Cage Bird She has really good One of the literary geniuses that America's ever produced But she mostly talks about The freedom in the context of racism But This is bigger than that This is about freedom in general Freedom of the Human Spirit It's called Cage Bird by Maya Angelou The Free Bird Leaps On the back of the wind and floats downstream to the current ends and dips his wings in the orange sun rays and dares to claim the sky.

[1887] But a bird that stalks down his narrow cage can seldom see through his bars of rage his wings are clipped and his feet are tied so he opens his throat to sing.

[1888] The cage birds sings with a fearful trill of the things unknown but longed forth still and his tune is heard on the distant hill for the caged bird sings of freedom the free bird things of another breeze and trade wings soft through the sighing trees and the fat worms waiting on a dawn bright lawn and he names the sky his own but a caged bird stands on the graves of dreams his shadow shouts on a nightmare scream his wings are clipped and his feet are tied so he opens his throat to sing the caged bird sings with a fearful trill of things unknown but long for still and his tune is heard on a distant hill for the caged bird sings of freedom that's beautiful she's an incredible person and this is an incredible country I love America Lex free of me ladies and gentlemen Thank you brother God bless you all Thank you very much Thank you my pleasure Thank you for being here Goodbye everybody