180 - Live at the Tampa Theatre in Tampa

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] I mean, seriously.

[2] We got all dressed up for you.

[3] Yeah, I got super dressed up for you.

[4] Look at this haunted theater.

[5] We got this theater dressed up for you.

[6] We're haunting this theater for you.

[7] Look at this.

[8] I know.

[9] There's like crazy statues and shit.

[10] I know.

[11] What if that one came to life?

[12] It was one of those fake statues and she was like, wouldn't that be funny?

[13] I grab you.

[14] Then I get pulled in.

[15] Now I'm cement.

[16] I have to stay here for 500 years.

[17] So many good shows coming up here.

[18] I get to watch all of them from the side.

[19] It's your dream come true.

[20] I apologize for my outfit, everybody.

[21] I've done it again.

[22] You look great.

[23] Your nails look great.

[24] That's right.

[25] Let's focus on the nails.

[26] Thanks.

[27] It's a metallic Sally Hansen.

[28] Tell them about it.

[29] I had to.

[30] they're taping more episodes of Guy Brandom's talk show The Game Show, which is a show that I do.

[31] Thank you, 75 people.

[32] And so we had to tape them all the way up until last night, and then I got on a red eye.

[33] With a layover.

[34] I know.

[35] Don't worry she was in first class.

[36] Before you feel too bad for her.

[37] No complaints, no complaints.

[38] But, yeah, when I went to leave, the hotel room I had like actually dressed choices I was doing all these things and then of course couldn't find my tights so anyway also the conditioner at our hotel is cilantro scented and that's why my hair looks like this because I don't fucking like cilantro that's right she hates cilantro but also what the fuck would anyone want like anything that smells like cilantro I like cilantro, and I want my fucking hair to smell like cilantro.

[39] In your hair?

[40] It's like not even one of those scenes where they list like, here are good things for your hair.

[41] Like hajoba and bubba and cilantro.

[42] Cilantro.

[43] If you want your hair to smell like old guacamole, get over here.

[44] Get over here.

[45] I was like, fuck this.

[46] And I put it outside the shower.

[47] Then I was in the shower like, I should have brought the cilantro conditioner with me. So anyway, we're just going for it.

[48] Yeah.

[49] It's my new look.

[50] It's my new look.

[51] Thank you.

[52] It's my new look.

[53] Oh, you guys, okay.

[54] Vince told us on the way over, the story.

[55] Oh, here's from Lakeland.

[56] Lakeland?

[57] I know that last week or something.

[58] Recently.

[59] Someone in your town on a horse got a DUI.

[60] I feel bad for the horse.

[61] What if it's the horse that was drunk?

[62] Oh, that'd be cute.

[63] She's on the horse, and she's like, I'm so sorry about my pet.

[64] She just loves beer so much.

[65] She does this.

[66] I was only in CVS for 20 minutes, and she just, I think she brought a flask, a horse flask.

[67] And, but Tampa, you guys were like, we're going to want up you.

[68] You guys brought a fucking active serial killing in the game.

[69] Guys.

[70] Wow.

[71] Thank you so much for that.

[72] You shouldn't have.

[73] you truly you shouldn't have yeah that's scary georgio's like yes oh should we still go to Tampa this was like two or three weeks ago whenever I'm like they'll fix it by then don't worry they'll fix it you haven't you haven't fixed it yet for us so but Vince did voice Vince did point out he goes but if while you were here you guys got them it would be pretty legendary.

[74] We're like, so we go, we go apprehend?

[75] Here's what we do, yeah.

[76] Put on a hoodie.

[77] No, it's terrible.

[78] It's fucking terrifying.

[79] It's crazy.

[80] You guys, Florida, I thought this was, what do they call it, the safest place in the world?

[81] No. No, they do not.

[82] This is one of those cities where, when we are states, really, like in Madison, Wisconsin, I was like, I can't find a murder to do.

[83] There's so few.

[84] And then we were going to Tampa, and it's like, uh -huh, we'll be fine.

[85] We'll be fine.

[86] I just started looking like three hours ago, and I was just like, hmm, my choice of everything, okay.

[87] Plus an active serial killer.

[88] And in addition, both, yeah.

[89] The last time I was here, we love it.

[90] It's just so fucking crazy.

[91] We do a thing where we're like, we like true crime and we're going to talk about it.

[92] And then it's like, it exists in the world.

[93] It's a real thing.

[94] People experience it on a date?

[95] Oh, yeah.

[96] He could be here tonight.

[97] Look around you.

[98] Did you say Stephen?

[99] I said, don't say that, but Stephen.

[100] He's not here, and actually, I know, it's heartbreaking.

[101] Actually, we've never seen Stephen in the same room as the active Tampa serial killer.

[102] I'm just saying.

[103] Oh, my God.

[104] Just saying, consider all your options.

[105] Vince, we solved it.

[106] Vince, we did it.

[107] We nailed it.

[108] Vince keeps saying this phrase.

[109] He can't stop saying smothered and covered.

[110] Because the moment we realized we have a, you guys have a waffle house here?

[111] Yes.

[112] It's never been.

[113] I know.

[114] Have you?

[115] I was there at one, in night and the New Year's Eve at 1 a .m. Oh.

[116] In Tampa, probably right over here.

[117] It was the most depressing, scary.

[118] place I've ever been in my life.

[119] Was that back when you were dating Pitbull?

[120] Yeah.

[121] You know me in Pitbull when I was in high school?

[122] He would take you all around to all the waffle houses you wanted to go to?

[123] It was insane.

[124] I was sad.

[125] But this time, it's going to be incredible.

[126] We're going to be smothered and covered, everybody.

[127] Apparently.

[128] So you get like waffles?

[129] Just get a stack of waffles?

[130] Just get a stack of waffles.

[131] A stacking waffles.

[132] Like Pancakes is the best idea I've ever had.

[133] That's incredible.

[134] Also, oh.

[135] No, let's stay on the stack of bean waffles for a while.

[136] Let's talk about it.

[137] I'm out of my mind right now.

[138] Is it because you have took a red eye and...

[139] I think so.

[140] I drank too much coffee, so we're in a good place right now.

[141] This is going to be fucking fun.

[142] Oh, by the way, this is my favorite murder.

[143] That's Georgia Hard Start.

[144] Thank you.

[145] We got a fucking box full of a bunch of different kinds of Girl Scout cookies backstage.

[146] Can you fucking even deal with it?

[147] We couldn't.

[148] Karen, immediately grab the...

[149] What's the ones you like?

[150] Dosey Doze.

[151] Yeah.

[152] They're very 80s, but I love them.

[153] Right.

[154] And I grabbed the Samoas because I'm not...

[155] It's about docee doze.

[156] You can have those.

[157] I guess I can have them.

[158] I'm the kind of person that would pick like a dessert, I'm less people like so I can have more of it.

[159] That's my thing where I'm like, I don't care, I like them.

[160] Does no one will touch mine?

[161] No one's going to be like, can I try one of those?

[162] No one's, I don't want to try one.

[163] People are like, that looks like some kind of a fiber cookie.

[164] You can have that.

[165] You can have that Girl Scout fiber cookie all to yourself.

[166] Yeah, that's your thing.

[167] Meanwhile, what are, Samoa's are like, they basically are like a Twix from Hawaii.

[168] That's exactly right.

[169] Right?

[170] They're going for it.

[171] Oh my god, Hawaiian Twix Everything I want So the girl The woman who gave them to us the name is Alice Thank you Alice Are you here?

[172] She's scared There she is She is fucking She's one one She's currently being killed By the Tampa serial girl Her friend wouldn't even be like Right here Sure her friend sucks No Alice I'm sure you have lovely friends Alice stop it She said, my love for true crime started when I was a kid.

[173] In eighth grade, I wanted to be a forensic pathologist.

[174] And then for her research science project, she witnessed autopsies and interviewed a pathologist.

[175] How cool is that?

[176] And that was in eighth grade?

[177] Eighth grade.

[178] So you're 13, like puberty has just kicked in and you're like, let's see some dead bodies.

[179] That's how I'm going to deal with this horror show of life.

[180] Most people, I think most normal people, so nobody here, including us, including mostly us, would be like, well, I'm not going to eat something that that crazy person just gave me. And I'm like, let's eat all these girls, that cookies, that girls, and be best friends with her.

[181] And so she went in high school, she interned assisting with autopsies and worked with a pathologist to ID Does by cross -referencing them with missing persons reports.

[182] So she's like an original web sleuth person.

[183] It's the best.

[184] In high school, I stole the varsity letterman jacket of the guy I liked, put it on, got into a car, and locked the door, and wouldn't get out.

[185] So same thing.

[186] So there's all these different ways to deal with being in high school.

[187] You know, some people, some, you know, we're all heroes.

[188] That's what I'm saying.

[189] In our own way.

[190] In our own way, we're all here.

[191] So we picked out our least favorite Girl Scout cookie box.

[192] And you guys can have some.

[193] Here, pass these out around.

[194] Go ahead.

[195] Thank you.

[196] You represent the audience now.

[197] Just don't eat them loudly.

[198] No, you have to pass them around.

[199] She holds them over her head like, yes, I won.

[200] I won the Lemon Girl Scout cookie contest.

[201] Alice, thank you so much.

[202] Thank you, Alice.

[203] She works for the Girl Scouts now, which is fucking awesome.

[204] She transitioned out of dead people, and now she works for the Girl Scouts.

[205] Helping Girls.

[206] That's so rad.

[207] She's so much better than us.

[208] What are they going to do?

[209] It's all a contest.

[210] Did she see, speaking of holding it up her head, did you guys watch the baseball thing, the series?

[211] Some fucking dude grabbed, this girl caught a baseball at the World Series.

[212] Dude grabs it out of her hand, throws it back.

[213] Well, I know.

[214] It's a thing.

[215] Here's what I loved about it, though.

[216] He actually, right, he grabbed it.

[217] it out of her husband's hand, right?

[218] Because she was like, yay!

[219] And her husband's like, look at this and turns to his friend.

[220] And that guy, if you watch the clip, his eyes are so wide with crazed rage.

[221] He's like, we do not keep those.

[222] It was like the weirdest look on a person's face I've ever seen.

[223] His eyelids were not touching his irises at all.

[224] He was just like, baseball rage.

[225] You know, the wife was like, I guess we have an extra ticket.

[226] Terry, yes, your best friend, Terry can come.

[227] I don't, you know, I don't like being around him, but this is exciting.

[228] Maybe we'll, you know, we'll bond over...

[229] Just don't make me sit next to him and we're not going out after, and it's fine.

[230] Yeah, Terry can be there, that's fine.

[231] Terry can come.

[232] And then hopefully my dream of catching a foul ball will come true.

[233] From the other team, even though we're at a different stadium.

[234] Still, it's a wide, wild dream.

[235] It'll never happen.

[236] I know.

[237] And then, Terry, good old fucking Terry.

[238] What a dick.

[239] There's a reason he didn't have a wife there.

[240] Is he here tonight?

[241] Terry, are you here tonight?

[242] Terry's longest relationship is three months.

[243] You know those guys?

[244] Yeah.

[245] I'm making fun of people.

[246] We do.

[247] What else about baseball?

[248] Hey, oh, our rug's here.

[249] Oh, good, yeah, the rug that we wove.

[250] We made this.

[251] We made this.

[252] We made this.

[253] Our grandma started it.

[254] We finished.

[255] this is from the new line of my favorite murder rugs you can order them on it actually could be my favorite my favorite murder rugs no I mean Georgia is such a mogul she's just like we can make rugs is that your dream let's make that dream come true it's happening it's not very financially responsible no it doesn't make a ton of sense I'm doing it but at least one person would be like you guys I've always wanted a murder rug.

[256] Good.

[257] Here you go.

[258] If we did murder rugs, it could just be like cutouts of beige carpet that look like from a crime scene.

[259] That's such a hold on, no one steal that.

[260] This is being recorded.

[261] It's our idea.

[262] It's being recorded.

[263] That and stacked up waffles.

[264] Steven is we're at this very moment listening at home trademarking this idea.

[265] Sending it into the copyright company.

[266] Yeah.

[267] He's only doing one hand though because his other is stroking his mustache.

[268] this is a good idea imagine if you're walking through like the rug section in IKEA and you're like floral oh classic Indian oh what's this oh human fluids okay it's a look it's a certain look abnormally cut with a fucking razor blaze pull it up and it also has the like padding on the back that the blood soaked through come on guys think about all the horrible shit You've seen.

[269] This is a good time to tell the people who don't know what this podcast is.

[270] Oh, shoot.

[271] It's very much a true crime podcast.

[272] With comedy elements, people don't.

[273] Some people don't like it.

[274] Super sorry.

[275] It's not for everyone.

[276] No. And some of you might even be here tonight.

[277] Some of those everyone's might be here tonight.

[278] What if we looked up and there's just a troop of Girl Scouts sitting right there?

[279] Crying?

[280] Don't, we're joking about the rug.

[281] Get those girls out of here.

[282] Just kidding.

[283] Yeah, so that's what this is.

[284] Should we sit down?

[285] I think we should.

[286] Yeah, it's time.

[287] Look at these gorgeous things.

[288] Like brand new director's chairs.

[289] You do this.

[290] You do that.

[291] Do that.

[292] I'm a director.

[293] That's right.

[294] We've got to get you a bullhorn.

[295] Is that how it works?

[296] Yes, that's exactly how Francis Ford Coppola directed all of the, all of Apocalypse now.

[297] Give me that thing.

[298] Go over there.

[299] Go over there.

[300] I'm Francis Ford Coppola.

[301] Give me that.

[302] I went to film school, obviously.

[303] Yeah, I feel like this theater is normally used to put up the play as you like it, and that's all.

[304] It's like, it's so amazing looking.

[305] It is.

[306] And then we're just here talking about crime.

[307] I mean, baseball and crime.

[308] Yeah, our two loves.

[309] This theater's like really bummed right now.

[310] The ghost of this theater.

[311] like, oh, I thought they were going to show another as you like it again.

[312] It's so sad.

[313] That's the only play I can think of as as you like.

[314] Can I tell you the truth?

[315] I don't fucking know what that play is.

[316] I just went with it.

[317] You know what it is?

[318] I'll tell you.

[319] I went to film school, not theater school.

[320] I went to neither.

[321] I didn't go to fucking college.

[322] That play, just in case this comes up in the future.

[323] Okay, on Jeopardy.

[324] It's a play about two gals that go to the Waffle House.

[325] and they're like, do I have to get it smothered and covered?

[326] And the waitress is like, no, you can get it as you like it.

[327] Boom.

[328] I've taken an improv class.

[329] That was incredible.

[330] Thank you.

[331] It's because I've been up for hours traveling with America.

[332] Scene work.

[333] Is that what scene work is?

[334] It's me going like this.

[335] Oh, I don't know, yeah.

[336] I don't really know.

[337] And I did go to theater school, but I hated it because they always made you like try to stand like a fucking praying mantis or something which is just like I'm not interested in this yeah this isn't going to get me there I just want people to believe me when they're giving me a lot of money to be on camera that's right that's all I want that's all that matters did I ever tell this story about my dad telling me that Kevin Costner was his favorite actor and then right I was like really and he goes yeah the only thing is I don't believe anything he says when he's talking no that's not what acting is so what do you like his hair Like, what the fuck do you like about that guy?

[338] That doesn't make any sense.

[339] I think it's because he's Kevin Kosser's really into golf.

[340] So it's my dinner.

[341] Maybe he likes the parts he picks.

[342] My dad likes Sugar Ray, the band Sugar Ray.

[343] What?

[344] What?

[345] Yeah.

[346] How?

[347] I don't know.

[348] He heard a song on the radio once.

[349] I don't really like that band, Georgia.

[350] Hey, you know the band, uh, do you know the band Sugar Ray?

[351] Hey.

[352] Does he like, did he buy, like, a CD?

[353] I think he bought a single.

[354] Oh, shit.

[355] I'm not fucking kidding.

[356] Marty, he's dedicated to Sugar Red.

[357] And he, yeah, it's, he loves cassettes.

[358] I think he's really sad that his new car has a CD player and not a cassette player.

[359] Yeah, but that makes sense.

[360] But does he know cassettes are coming back?

[361] Are they?

[362] Yeah, they're making a comeback.

[363] Yeah.

[364] I mean, I'm going to, no. No. Don't you miss, we're, cassettes a part of your musical experience, mostly CDs?

[365] Mostly cassettes.

[366] What'd you say?

[367] Almost completely cassettes.

[368] What'd you think I said?

[369] I thought you said mostly insects.

[370] You know.

[371] Losing my mind.

[372] Like, uh -oh, this conversation is changing.

[373] I don't know how to go with it.

[374] How do I go with insects?

[375] Just nod and say, oh, I've heard of that play.

[376] Yes.

[377] I love that play.

[378] Cassettes completely.

[379] When they came in the long thing and you could snap them out and I'd steal them when I was a kid, I was a real shitty kid.

[380] In the store?

[381] Yeah.

[382] Oh, fuck yeah.

[383] You'd snap them out of the arm?

[384] Mm -hmm.

[385] Wow, Georgia.

[386] Terrible, kid.

[387] Don't have kids.

[388] No, don't steal.

[389] I'm sorry.

[390] Don't steal.

[391] What's the lesson for tonight?

[392] There's so much to learn.

[393] This is a learning podcast, first and foremost.

[394] Yeah.

[395] Karen, you know I'm all about vintage shopping.

[396] Absolutely.

[397] And when you say vintage, you mean, when you physically drive to a store and actually purchase something with cash.

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[415] Goodbye.

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[430] Goodbye.

[431] Speaking of first and not foremost, I'm going first today.

[432] You go first, yes.

[433] crazy shit took place.

[434] And when you're in high school, you don't pay attention to anyone but yourself.

[435] Yeah.

[436] Um, that's when I plucked my eyebrows back to the middle of my eye right there.

[437] Because I couldn't stop staring at myself in the mirror.

[438] You're busy plucking every eyebrow out of your head and not watching the news.

[439] Yeah.

[440] So this is the story of the serial killer, Oscar Ray Bolin.

[441] See, when they're applauding, they mean they hate him.

[442] That's right.

[443] For the People that, for the newbies, for the boyfriends and girlfriends who don't listen to this podcast and just got a chill down there's fine because people were applauding for a serial killer.

[444] It's not, that doesn't translate to fanship of murder, more of, I know this, I stay up at night reading old newspaper columns and driving myself insane.

[445] Right.

[446] This is the one where I had to get Xanax.

[447] That's what they're saying.

[448] Zanx prescription.

[449] Yay, Xanax.

[450] Okay.

[451] That would actually be sorry, but that would be a great sponsor for this show.

[452] Uh -huh.

[453] Because then we get free samples, and we get to go to the Christmas Xanax party.

[454] Oh, that would be so boring.

[455] Like, the biggest bummer.

[456] Can we tell them that, okay.

[457] You don't decide.

[458] We got invited, so you know, Casper mattresses are always advertisers on every podcast.

[459] We just got an email that we were invited to this.

[460] a fancy Casper mattress party.

[461] Christmas party!

[462] I was so excited and then I was like, Karen's not going to want to go to this.

[463] I'm not going to tell Karen I'm excited because I get excited about stupid shit and Karen's like, I don't want to go that fucking thing.

[464] Right?

[465] Like, you don't like fucking things.

[466] No, I hate most fucking things.

[467] And I want to go to anything that's going to have little food on silver trays?

[468] Like, that's my fucking dream.

[469] Yes.

[470] But then you text me and you were like...

[471] I was like, we got to go to that mattress party.

[472] We got to go to Cassidy.

[473] We got to go to Casper.

[474] What does it even mean?

[475] And I didn't trust it.

[476] I was like, are you messing me right now?

[477] Because I really want to go.

[478] Are you teasing me?

[479] You're being sarcastic, aren't you?

[480] I had to like tell her three times.

[481] I'm confirming that I'm not being sarcastic.

[482] I genuinely will wear a dress to the Casper Mattress party.

[483] And I'm going to try to meet the president of Casper.

[484] Is Casper here tonight?

[485] I want to meet that motherfucker.

[486] Yeah.

[487] We're going.

[488] We'll send photos to you guys.

[489] Yeah, for sure.

[490] Check your email.

[491] Could you imagine her?

[492] I want to, I would like to marry a mattress millionaire.

[493] Mattress mogul.

[494] Wouldn't that be fun?

[495] Mattress mogul.

[496] You're the wife of a mattress mogul.

[497] Karen.

[498] Then I get to be on the real housewives of wherever the mattress company is.

[499] It sounds like a tech startup.

[500] It's probably like northern California.

[501] Yeah, that'd be nice.

[502] The real housewives of Penn Grove and just being really bitchy to people in an apple orchard.

[503] This is Northern California comedy.

[504] You don't get it.

[505] Stay local.

[506] Okay.

[507] Hey, in Tampa, speaking out.

[508] Oh, that's local.

[509] Now it gets bummer.

[510] Early in the morning of January 25th, 1986, 25 -year -old, her name's Blanche, Holly, leaves her night job.

[511] She's a manager at Church's Fried Chicken, Night Manager.

[512] Is that another thing we should?

[513] I've never had it.

[514] Oh, it's bad?

[515] It's gone.

[516] Oh, it's bad.

[517] Okay, got it.

[518] I like the idea that all of Tampa has one opinion about that chicken.

[519] Oh, it's yes and no?

[520] Okay, we got it.

[521] The answer is no. Okay, fair enough.

[522] Okay, she leaves her night matter job like one in the morning, heads home.

[523] She never makes it home, and later that morning, or like in the morning morning, a jogger finds her body in an orange grove inlets.

[524] for a second for one second I thought you were booing her and I was like holy fuck it's not her fault lutes lutes but how is it spelled it's spelled either let's or luts lutez L -U -T -Z I mean that makes sense that's an either -or yeah I had a 50 -50 % chance and obviously I got the wrong one I mean look Here's the thing.

[525] You are just comparing it to other words you know that are kind of spelled like it.

[526] You don't call them nutes.

[527] You call them nuts.

[528] Nutes is E -W.

[529] I'm just saying, this is our campaign.

[530] Spell it like you say it.

[531] It would help us.

[532] We don't fucking live here.

[533] We don't know what's happening ever.

[534] I hate when this happens and then you have to say this next line.

[535] Yeah, it's always this.

[536] She had been stabbed about 10 to 12 times.

[537] the only clue that they had was from the night before okay this is fucked up okay she had left work she's heading home and then a hillsborough sheriff deputy stops to check yeah it's a great county yeah so this sheriff's deputy sees two parked cars off um off a boulevard in tampa one of them has their lights blinking so he pulls over inside one of the cars is a man and a woman and he like shines a flashlight and he's like everyone okay here and the dude is like yeah we're fine I ran out of gas she was going to help me go get gas and then his mind he was like well that's weird like why would she be in his car if they were going to get gas whatever and he says to the woman like are you okay she's like I'm fine everything's fine and they he moves on but he does check the car registration of the dude's car and it's registered to a man named Oscar Bolan.

[538] So the day that Blanche's body is found, her car is found there abandoned.

[539] So that was her car.

[540] It's about five miles away.

[541] They questioned this guy Oscar's friends.

[542] They gave him an alibi, so they didn't follow up.

[543] Thoughts, thoughts, thoughts, thoughts.

[544] Give me that Xanax.

[545] Okay, the murder that day doesn't get much coverage.

[546] even though it's this huge story, because it's the exact same day that the fucking Challenger shuttle explodes.

[547] Oh, no. God.

[548] Isn't that crazy in Cape Canaveral?

[549] I almost...

[550] I know what...

[551] Okay.

[552] So that dominates the news, so it doesn't really get any coverage, which fucking sucks.

[553] About 10 months later, 17 -year -old Stephanie Collins, she's a senior in high school.

[554] She stops by the drugstore where she works to see if she could get some extra hours over the holidays to make some money.

[555] She leaves to go to choir practice and she disappears from the shopping center parking lot.

[556] Some friends said they saw her driving by in the passenger seat of a white van.

[557] She said that they were waving at her, but they didn't realize anything was wrong.

[558] I feel like this isn't going to work, but it would be nice if there could be some kind of an alert system that we could make up with our eyes or something.

[559] You know what I mean?

[560] Or if like someone has a knife in your gut and they're like, don't you fucking say a word?

[561] And then it's like, everyone's supposed to be like, no, officer, we're fine.

[562] And you're like, I am fine, or whatever.

[563] That's not going to work, but if there is a system of some kind, what would it be?

[564] Like a tongue maneuver.

[565] Yeah.

[566] I'm fine.

[567] I don't know.

[568] Maybe you should take me out of this car anyway.

[569] I'm fine.

[570] Yeah.

[571] There's just so many stories like that that are so awful where, you know, and you know it kills the people that actually saw them and didn't do anything.

[572] It's horrible.

[573] Absolutely.

[574] Her disappearance, fucking massive month -long search, but eventually they find her Stephanie's body in Hillsborough County, Florida.

[575] She's wrapped in sheets and has blunt force head injuries, and she's stabbed as well.

[576] On that exact same fucking day that she has found, police also discover the body of Terry Lynn Matthews.

[577] She's 26 by a railway line in Pasco County, County, Florida.

[578] It's about 30 minutes away.

[579] So there's three minutes away.

[580] So there's 30 minutes away.

[581] She had gone, so Terry had, I mean, Stephanie had gone missing the night before, and Terry had gone missing a month, no, no, Terry had gone missing the night before when they just happen to find their bodies in the same fucking day, which is bananas.

[582] Okay, so she had been ducted the night before from outside Orlando Lake's post office.

[583] Sorry, you mean the butter?

[584] Yeah, it's a real place.

[585] It's an actual place?

[586] I didn't know until I was all of this.

[587] I just fucking have a nervous breakdown.

[588] That would be amazing.

[589] That's my breaking point that I find out land delays is real.

[590] Yeah.

[591] By the lake.

[592] Out of my mind.

[593] Okay.

[594] It was all over butter.

[595] I love butter.

[596] Yeah.

[597] So, okay, here's what happened.

[598] Terry had left her boyfriend's house and was driving home and decided to stop off and this was late at night, decided to stop off at her post office box to get her and her family's mail, which is like, fuck, dude, I get it.

[599] I've done that a million times.

[600] You have a post office box.

[601] What?

[602] You have a post office box.

[603] Yeah, I have a post office box, even.

[604] No, I'm bragging.

[605] Everyone's super impressed.

[606] Yeah.

[607] So the boyfriend and Terry's family, that night, or like, she should have been home by now, they go out looking for her.

[608] They find Terry's car in the parking lot with the door open, and male scattered all over the ground.

[609] I know.

[610] So they find her body the next morning.

[611] She had been stabbed in the neck and chest and beaten repeatedly over the head.

[612] She's also wrapped in sheets.

[613] And so at this point, the authorities know a serial killer is on the loose.

[614] They track fibers to all three of the victims.

[615] They all match.

[616] But for four years, the case goes cold and there's no fucking leads.

[617] So sit tight for your fucking serial killer everyone.

[618] Sorry, I get dark sometimes.

[619] It's different times, though.

[620] That was fucking 40 years ago, or whatever.

[621] Yeah.

[622] So what?

[623] I haven't slept in days.

[624] Look at my hair.

[625] Good.

[626] Let me have ten numbers.

[627] She told you guys.

[628] Do do, do.

[629] Okay, until 1990, when police receive a call on one of the crime stoppers fucking places.

[630] Oh, yeah.

[631] A man says, a man says he knows who killed the three girls, and they, I guess, somehow figure out who he is, because it's not anonymous, apparently, or he gives him up, I don't know.

[632] He says it's his new, it's his wife's ex -husband is the killer.

[633] So he fucking rats out his new wife's ex.

[634] Yeah.

[635] You can imagine how satisfying that was.

[636] But must have felt great.

[637] Ooh.

[638] Okay.

[639] So the ex -husband is our friend, the piece of shit, Oscar Ray Boland.

[640] He was born in January 1962, in Portland, Indiana.

[641] Fucking once fell off a roof and hit his head.

[642] Classic.

[643] The usual.

[644] His family owned a carnival, and he had worked there.

[645] Oh.

[646] I know.

[647] Red flag.

[648] Unless it's fun.

[649] Unless it's like a fun carnival.

[650] but shit yeah right because like then you it's almost like then just think of every carnival worker you've ever seen and you're like oh it's a carny okay intense also a long -haul chucker like can we get a few more on the list please like it's just it's a bit on the nose actually right so did he hate his mother probably okay his mom said that he was a little odd Oh.

[651] So then I wrote, and the dick bag was already in prison.

[652] That wasn't a cut and paste.

[653] Those were my words.

[654] Wikipedia.

[655] The dick bag was already in prison serving 22 to 75 year sentence for the 1987 kidnapping and rape of a waitress who worked at a truck stop cafe.

[656] All right.

[657] Here, let's, here we go.

[658] Oh, Jesus Christ, that's humongous.

[659] I know, it's pretty big.

[660] Get me away.

[661] Stephen, did Stephen, like, crop that picture?

[662] Because that's unnecessarily large.

[663] I don't know.

[664] I don't think we can blame this one on Stephen.

[665] Okay.

[666] I just don't.

[667] It's a lot of face.

[668] I mean, please feel free to blame it on Stephen.

[669] I mean, we do.

[670] I do feel so free.

[671] Here's the thing.

[672] I don't know if this one, I don't know if back goes.

[673] Just try it.

[674] All right.

[675] Nice.

[676] I did it.

[677] Thank you for making that go away.

[678] all right so so he's in fucking prison the ex -wife named Cheryl tells investigators that she was with him Oscar when he was casing the church's chicken restaurant but they went home and she fell asleep and then at 2 a .m. he comes home and wakes her up he fucking spills the contents of a woman's purse on the bed tells her that he killed someone and that he has to she has to help him clean the car of fingerprints and dispose of other evidence.

[679] Yeah.

[680] And she's like, huh, let me think about this.

[681] What have you done for me lately?

[682] She's like, did you fix that sink?

[683] Okay, we'll do that first before I help you.

[684] Honey.

[685] Oh, man. So he's charged, Oscar Ribbon is charged in 1990 with all three murders and undergoes three trials, one for each victim.

[686] In Stephanie Collins' case, it came out that there had been, okay, so there had been a note in her purse that they pulled out at the trial.

[687] The name on it said Ray and a series of letters and numbers that fucking correlated to Oscar Ray Boland's license plate number.

[688] Which means they think that he was either stalking her somehow or that maybe they had been a little fender vendor and had written down his information and put in her purse.

[689] And they also think that our first, our first victim, Blanche, that maybe when they pulled over on the side of the road and that he had given her a fender bender to, and by the time the cop came, he had a gun on her.

[690] So that might have been his fucking ammo.

[691] Okay.

[692] It's just going to make it hard when we all go and have fender benders next time.

[693] It's just going to make it that much more difficult.

[694] I'm going to get arrested, just I'll never stop.

[695] It'll be a fucking, you rerend someone then you just stay in your car you won't get out and then they're like it's the other way around if someone hits you don't get out not if you slam in the back of someone's car anytime you drive your car don't get out of the car there fixed fixed um at terry matthew's trial so oscar's half -brother philip boleyn comes forward to testify he is at the time of terry's murder he was 13 years old he said he saw his older brother beating a woman who was wrapped in a sheet Oscar claimed the woman had been shot in a drug deal gone wrong and then he saw or heard Oscar kill her and it turned out to be Terry Matthews and 13 year old Philip then helped him get rid of the body after the killing and he this kid like apologized to the family he was like 19 at the time of the trial and, yeah, he was, and at every, there's going to be a lot of trials at all of them, he testifies.

[696] He's, yeah, he's on it.

[697] In each case, each three cases, Oscar Ray Bollins found guilty of first -degree murder and sentenced to death for each of the three convictions.

[698] But wait, it gets worse.

[699] Don't applaud.

[700] Okay.

[701] So in 1995, Florida Supreme Court reversed all three convictions and orders new trials.

[702] according to the court the prosecution and trial judge erred in allowing jurors to let the wife Cheryl testify because it's protected by Florida's spousal privilege rules meaning you can't fucking tell on your husband or wife can't snitch on the person you married even if he's a fucking horrible you know yeah but because you could be all like hey my husband's a big murdering dighead and not it could not be true yeah but that's a it's a loaded area i see i mean i'm just you devil's advocating surely i'm not on the side of the murderer everybody um so they go back to trial and even though the bollins are now divorced they this privilege still holds so the husband -a -wife conversations are confidential um he's sent back to trial three more times, each time he's convicted again, each time he's sentenced to death again.

[703] And again, the High Court comes back and says that they used part of her testimony again.

[704] So this, and they said that this time the reason they did it was because, so Oscar Ray Boland tries to commit suicide in prison.

[705] And when his suicide note says, ask my wife, she'll tell you every, ask my ex -wife, she'll tell you everything what happened.

[706] We can't, dickhead.

[707] But the, but the prosecutors were like, And that's him saying he's waiving his rights to spousal privilege, but they're like, no, he rejects the argument.

[708] Okay, so in 1996, over six years after he's initially arrested, he faces his seventh murder trial.

[709] By 2005, he's reconvicted of all three murders and the death and gets the death sentence for Terry Matthews.

[710] That one's upheld, so he's fucked.

[711] Okay.

[712] Here's this annoying, stupid part.

[713] all right while he's in prison Oscar starts dating a woman that's not even the stupid part all these stories make me feel so much more alone what does he have that I don't have I have a huge face just like he does God Karen I'm sure there's a convict out there for you too somewhere waiting at a Stephen cut all of this.

[714] Shit.

[715] Good.

[716] Okay.

[717] Start stating a woman named Rosalie Martinez.

[718] Rosalie Martinez, let's talk about her.

[719] She's married to a fucking wealthiest shit, prominent attorney.

[720] Super wealthy.

[721] So she's cheating on her lawyer?

[722] Oh, sorry.

[723] I'm going to tell you.

[724] Yeah, I know.

[725] I'd like to guess how the rest of it goes.

[726] She's married as fuck.

[727] She's got four daughters, and they meet while she is a paralegal on his defense team.

[728] She's like, I got to have that.

[729] Yes, I've read all the fucking case files.

[730] Yes, I've seen the fucking crime scene photos and watched the mothers of the fucking victims crying court, but I got to have that.

[731] She's just like, I've never seen a face that big.

[732] I have to kiss it.

[733] I must make him mine.

[734] There is that thing, though, with the, you know, where.

[735] things are taboo and forbidden, you know what I mean?

[736] I'm sure if it was just like, I'm sure if his, her husband was just like, could you go ahead and have an affair with a thing?

[737] And then she'd be like, ooh, that guy, that's gross.

[738] But she'd be like the worst possible thing.

[739] That's like the thing of like when you look over a balcony and you're like, what if I jump?

[740] It's that.

[741] Yeah.

[742] Romantically.

[743] And most of people are like, oh, that makes it sound romantic.

[744] I know.

[745] It's kind of a romantic suicide situation.

[746] You know.

[747] So she fucking leaves her family and marries fucking Oscar -R -A -ball in prison.

[748] Wait!

[749] Has she not heard about affairs?

[750] Well, she can't even bone him.

[751] He's in prison.

[752] Oh, okay.

[753] Has she not heard about it?

[754] That's your solution.

[755] Has she not heard about therapy, about mental health?

[756] Nope, none of that.

[757] No?

[758] Just cheating.

[759] Go straight to cheating.

[760] Okay.

[761] She divorces her husband, and she marries him on live TV in 1996 to an audience of 12 million by phone from her apartment.

[762] Her sad beige apartment that she moved out of probably her mansion out of.

[763] She's got one really nice face, though.

[764] She took.

[765] She's like, this is mine.

[766] She probably has a framed photo of his giant face while they're getting married.

[767] They get married on 2020.

[768] What?

[769] Remember the show, 2020?

[770] Yeah, do.

[771] They get married on fucking 2020.

[772] That's dirty.

[773] I know.

[774] I really, really don't like this movie.

[775] I mean, she sucks.

[776] She sucks and there's a, obviously, like you said, there's a serious mental issue happening where it's like, what exactly is your long -term relationship goal here?

[777] Yeah.

[778] Well, it is that she fucking believes him innocent and her goal is to make...

[779] So the reason...

[780] One of the reasons for all of these fucking trials and all these things that happened is because of her and her money because she was a public...

[781] or she was a paralegal, so she knew all these rules.

[782] So part of the reason that these families of these three young girls had to go through 10 fucking years, almost 30 years of trial and all this stuff is because this woman had the money to help him.

[783] Oh, my God.

[784] Yeah.

[785] And the wherewithal.

[786] Is that a word?

[787] Oh, want to see?

[788] them?

[789] Sure is.

[790] Nope.

[791] No, uh, that's, that's them in love.

[792] That's them.

[793] Can you imagine being one of those four daughters and you're just like, mom, can I talk to you in the other room?

[794] Anything you, anything you want to say to me can be said over this, over these, through these prison jail in front of your stepfather.

[795] Just say it.

[796] Yeah, well, okay.

[797] So, so, she also goes on the fucking Montel Williams show.

[798] Oh, girl.

[799] No. Jesus.

[800] And also, the half -sister of Terry Lynn Matthews goes on, and she's a fucking, this chick's a badass.

[801] She, like, tells her what.

[802] And Montel Williams says to her even that if he ever gets out of jail, you better hope your four daughters aren't walking down the street when he's out looking for a victim.

[803] That's right.

[804] Get up for Montel.

[805] Montel.

[806] And also, don't forget.

[807] You can mail your gold necklaces into a company and get cash for gold.

[808] Another strong message Montel has sent America.

[809] Never forget that, even.

[810] My dad worked for one of those companies.

[811] Yeah.

[812] He's unbagging necklaces while Sugar Ray is playing in the background.

[813] Is that the four -poster bed?

[814] Everything else out of that.

[815] I love that song.

[816] That's the worst song ever written.

[817] Georgia, have you heard that song?

[818] You love it?

[819] It's a dad song, I guess.

[820] Okay.

[821] So she insists he's innocent.

[822] She says she's his guardian angel.

[823] But here's my thing, too.

[824] He's in prison.

[825] When he got caught for these crimes, he was in prison already for raping and kidnapping a woman, which he pleaded guilty to.

[826] So even if you do truly believe he's innocent, which he's fucking not, he's still in prison for rape.

[827] That he pled guilty to.

[828] So stop it.

[829] She even brought one of her husband's Armani suits from.

[830] him to wear to trial.

[831] Wow.

[832] Her ex -husband, she's like, yoink out of his...

[833] I bet that ex -husband and the rest of the family was just like, we're going to move away, and just, like, got the hell out.

[834] Yeah.

[835] So 10 murder trials, almost 30 years later, on January 7th, 2016, he files one last appeal, but he's denied.

[836] It's the day of his execution.

[837] He spends three hours of his wife, eats his last meal.

[838] and then he's taken to the room more than 30 witnesses, including the victim's families are waiting out of sight before the execution, asked if he had any last words, he says, nope, he says no, sir, I'm going to say nope.

[839] 10 -16, on 2016, he dies after by lethal injection at 53 years old.

[840] So, yeah.

[841] And then a week fucking later, the state of Florida's like, well, you know, we're not going to do executions anymore.

[842] Yeah.

[843] And I feel like they were like holding their breath, waiting for him.

[844] They just wanted to get him.

[845] They just wanted to get him.

[846] The one last one.

[847] Yeah.

[848] Because they were like, let's not make the families go.

[849] Because if he can appeal again, yeah, it just keeps going on and on.

[850] So they were like, oh, shh, shh, don't say, okay.

[851] Governor, could you not sign that, just not this week?

[852] I have a story to tell you.

[853] Okay.

[854] So he's linked to another murder of a girl named Deborah Dianne Stowe, who's 30 from Greenville, Texas, as well as a couple other Tampa area murders that he's suspected of.

[855] But there's no forensic evidence, apparently.

[856] Let's see.

[857] And so Terry, Stephanie, and Blanche's mothers all stood together throughout all the trials.

[858] They all went to each other's daughter's trials, all of them.

[859] All three were always there together.

[860] with each other.

[861] Terry and Stephanie's mother were there to see Oscar die, but be put to death Blanche's mom and passed away by then.

[862] Stephanie's mother said that they're my rock.

[863] We're unfortunate we're together, but we're fortunate to have each other, and they called themselves the sisters in sorrow.

[864] So that's fucking Oscar Rae Bolin.

[865] Wow, that was amazing.

[866] Thank you.

[867] Sorry to bum you out.

[868] No, no, I just was like, just don't be a Rosalie.

[869] Just Yeah.

[870] Just in life.

[871] Oh, and she was almost going to be on the Casey Anthony prosecution team.

[872] What?

[873] Yeah.

[874] And then they were like, looked into her background for a hot minute.

[875] And they're like, that might be weird.

[876] Let's not do that.

[877] You have a tendency to fall in love with bad people.

[878] So we're going to go ahead and take you out of the legal system.

[879] All right.

[880] Well, it's funny because mine takes place in the same county.

[881] Oh, my God.

[882] And in just a couple years before yours, I'm doing the serial killer Bobby Joe Long.

[883] Oh, my God.

[884] Yeah.

[885] This is a heavy hitter situation.

[886] He is, he's one of those heavy hitters, and I'm sorry Tampa, but it's just a bummer.

[887] Yeah.

[888] Like, it's...

[889] You guys gave us no room for, like, a grandma who poisoned her husband.

[890] Like, nothing that was, like, not charming.

[891] Because murder's horrible.

[892] Whimsical.

[893] You know what?

[894] We love a whimsical murder.

[895] You guys are like, nope, we're getting it done.

[896] Yeah.

[897] There's no room.

[898] We're, yeah.

[899] In Florida.

[900] So, I guess we just start talking about him.

[901] Bobby Joe Long was born on October 14th, 1953 in Canova, West Virginia.

[902] His parents got divorced.

[903] Rahane, Kanova's awesome.

[904] His parents were divorced.

[905] Bobby Joe shared a bed with his mother.

[906] until he was 13.

[907] Yeah, you're not going to...

[908] That's not going to produce anything good.

[909] How much are beds?

[910] Let's ask Casper Mattress.

[911] Casper Mattresses.

[912] What if he bought me a diamond shape like a mattress?

[913] I'm just saying this party is going to be amazing.

[914] Night of our lives.

[915] It's going to change everything.

[916] Oh, I wrote, it was here that experts theorize began his hatred of women.

[917] But here, there's a couple other factors that are insane about Bobby Joe Long, one of which is he was born with an extra X chromosome.

[918] So because of that during puberty, he grew breasts.

[919] Do you think that that's a fun thing for a boy to have in junior high in Florida?

[920] Or West Virginia, where the fuck he was?

[921] so that was he was horribly horribly teased of course severely severely they said then he suffered a series of bad head injuries yes not just one a series so at the age of five he was knocked unconscious from a fall off a swing and one of his eyelids was skewered by a stick oh I didn't have to say that part I wanted to The following year, he was thrown from his bicycle crashing head first into a parked car.

[922] And he lost a couple teeth and he had a severe concussion.

[923] He was, when he was seven, he fell off a pony onto his head.

[924] Was a pony drunk?

[925] Oh, my God.

[926] This was the child version of the drunken horse.

[927] It grew up to be.

[928] Yes.

[929] This fucking horse has been terrorizing Florida.

[930] We're a sleuth.

[931] They said that he said he remained dizzy and nauseous from that head injury for weeks afterwards.

[932] No, it's great.

[933] It's great when that happens.

[934] If that happens, it's good.

[935] It's totally fine.

[936] It's perfect because then the rest of life is easy and you don't become an obsessive rapist murderer.

[937] The following year, he was thrown from his bicycle.

[938] Oh, no, I just read that.

[939] I was like, fuck, this is crazy.

[940] I'm rereading things.

[941] Okay.

[942] So then, luckily, when he was 13, he met a girl named Cynthia at school.

[943] He started dating her.

[944] And then he was like, I don't think I want to sleep with my mom anymore.

[945] So he moved out of his mom's bed.

[946] Amen.

[947] Good call.

[948] And he ended up dating Cynthia all through high school, and they got married in 1974.

[949] But six months before their wedding, he was hit by a car while riding his motorcycle.

[950] and his head hit the pavement so hard it shattered his helmet so...

[951] Wear helmets every...

[952] Don't have kids.

[953] It doesn't matter.

[954] It doesn't.

[955] So, I think we're up to...

[956] Now that's 19 head injuries at this point and one good eye injury.

[957] Don't forget about that one.

[958] Jesus.

[959] So Cynthia says that his temperament changed after that accident.

[960] He was always like short -tempered, but now he became...

[961] physically abusive, and they have two children, and he becomes, she said he developed a strangely overt, compulsive, and often dangerous sex drive.

[962] She ends up filing for divorce in 1980.

[963] So after the divorce, he moves in with a friend named Sharon Richards, and Sharon Richards later accuses him of rape and battery.

[964] He ends up moving to the next year.

[965] He moves to Long Beach, California to take an underwater welding course which is you know he was like what do I want to do with myself besides hit my head on every fucking thing I pass where would I be safe underwater like hits its head really slow okay so but this is so now of course the awful transition into horror there's a thing in California I don't know if it's national it's called the penny saver which is basically a free it's like a free circular yeah and it's just want ads so just all like come and buy my dishwasher and shit um it's how you'd get a kitten when you were when in the 80s yeah right yeah you were like you as an eight year old would look through the penny saver and you'd be like I want a kitten I guess I'll walk to a stranger's house alone um so his he makes up this thing he starts looking through the penny saver he calls people who are selling small appliances, he'll go to the house if the woman is home alone he has to use the restroom, pulls out his rape kit, and then he brutally rapes and robs the woman.

[966] So he does that a bunch of times in Long Beach and he's tried and convicted for rape in 1981 he requests a new trial it's granted and then the charges are dropped and he moves back to Florida.

[967] So he basically like just a glitch in the system he got to leave.

[968] So he comes back to Florida in 1983.

[969] And he's in Tampa.

[970] So, yeah, that's right.

[971] But it's 1983, so don't be upset.

[972] Over 22 years ago.

[973] So in the fall of 1983, Bobby Joe Long is charged with sending an inappropriate sex -infused letter and photographs to a 12 -year -old girl.

[974] Oh.

[975] Earning him a short jail sentence.

[976] and probation.

[977] He was, he's like an internet visionary.

[978] If you want to be slightly positive about Bobby Joe Long.

[979] He was dick picking it long before anybody else.

[980] Through snail mail, Okay.

[981] That's not funny, Karen.

[982] During this time, his new thing was he would scout for sales lines on houses, a hunt through the classified ads for furniture and other items.

[983] And then he would, once again, this was the penny saver move that he did in Long Beach, where he would go into people's homes and rob them.

[984] According to police, in this time, he raped more than 50 women doing this.

[985] What?

[986] Holy shit.

[987] Yeah.

[988] So then in 1984, he escalates to murder.

[989] So they said that Hillsborough County had...

[990] You can cheer for it, but there's been a lot of problems there.

[991] hopefully they've been solved on the bright side hopefully maybe hopefully this doesn't happen that much anymore so they had been averaging 30 to 35 homicides a year in the 80s in Hillsborough County then Bobby Joe moves back to town and that number begins to skyrocket oh shit so he was at the time on probation for assault but he starts driving around areas where he knows sex workers walk and where there are dive bars, where women who could possibly be drunk and leaving the dive bars are so that he can go pick them up.

[992] On May 13, 1984, the dead body of a nude -bound young female is discovered by young boys late in the afternoon in a remote area of Southern Hillsborough County.

[993] She's lying face down.

[994] Her hands are tied behind her back.

[995] She's gagged.

[996] There's a rope around her neck like a leash.

[997] Her feet are spread five feet apart.

[998] So he's deliberately staging this body in the most, you know, horrible way he possibly can.

[999] Her clothing and belongings are never found, and her body was very, the decomposition was really advanced.

[1000] So it took them a while to determine that the cause of death was strangulation.

[1001] She's identified as Lana Long.

[1002] She was a 25 -year -old lay ocean woman who worked as an exotic dancer in Tampa.

[1003] She was last seen in her apartment complex near the University of South Florida and she had been missing for approximately three days.

[1004] Two weeks later, on May 27th at 11 .30 in the morning, the body of a young white female was discovered in an isolated area in eastern Hillsborough County.

[1005] She was found nude.

[1006] There was a pile of clothing near her body.

[1007] She was on her back.

[1008] Her hands were bound at the waist.

[1009] There was ligature around her neck.

[1010] Her throat had been cut.

[1011] She sustained multiple blunt trauma injuries to the head.

[1012] and her hands were bound with some kind of a clothesline, and there was a ligature at the neck that was made of the same kind of rope, and it was tied in a hangman's noose.

[1013] And there was three to four feet of rope extending from that noose.

[1014] And she also, her upper arms were bound with what looked like to be a green man's t -shirt.

[1015] So there was a composite drawing of the victim made and released to the media, and she's identified as Michelle Denise Sims, a 22 -year -old native Californian who was last seen the night before walking with two white males near Kennedy Boulevard.

[1016] She was also a known sex worker.

[1017] So victim number three on June 24, 1984, the body of another young white female is founded in an orange grove in southeastern Hillsborough County, fully clothed.

[1018] She's in an advanced state of decomposition.

[1019] There's no ligatures.

[1020] The victim wasn't found near an inner state as the other two victims had been, so the police didn't connect.

[1021] her death to the other two bodies that had been found.

[1022] And so, of course, in the initial stages of the investigation, they're looking at her boyfriend, and he failed a polygraph.

[1023] So they think they're basically positive.

[1024] It's the boyfriend.

[1025] But then they send evidence to the FBI lab, but because there was no connection to the other two bodies, the FBI lab didn't try to find what was on the other two bodies, which were red nylon fibers on both of those other two victims.

[1026] So that does come up later.

[1027] But she's identified as Elizabeth Loudenbach at 22 of Tampa.

[1028] She was an assembly line worker who had last been seen 7 o 'clock on June 8th.

[1029] She had no criminal history.

[1030] So the fourth victim, and these are coming like every three, two, three, four weeks.

[1031] So it must have been horrifying.

[1032] October 7, 1984, the nude body of a young black female is discovered near Posco Hillsborough County line.

[1033] it doesn't matter What if I just fell backwards out of this chair?

[1034] I love my job.

[1035] Posco?

[1036] Pesco, you say?

[1037] Have you ever cared more about the sound of a county than you do tonight?

[1038] Okay.

[1039] Her body is found lying next to the dirt entrance of a cattle ranch and her clothing is next to the body her bra is tied in a knot and hanging on the entrance gate so she's an advanced state of decomposition um her head more so than the rest of her body and they find eventually they find a gunshot wound to the neck uh which is determined to be the cause of death um and she's eventually identified as 18 year old chanelle williams and she had previously been arrested for sex work she had last been seen the night of September 30th by a friend who they were working together on Nebraska Avenue and pretty good spot okay um so her friend says that she had been picked up by a John and she told Chanel please they were going to go to a motel really close by she said please walk over there so that by the time you get there like you can check on me and make sure everything is okay oh my god and then Chanel doesn't show up to check on her um so then a week later on the morning of October 14th, 1984, the body of a white female nude from the waist down is discovered in a remote orange grove in northeastern Hillsborough County, 30 feet from a dirt road, apparently dragged from the roadway.

[1040] She was on a gold -colored red spread.

[1041] There was a blue jogging suit tied outside of it.

[1042] Her hands were bound in front with a red and white handkerchief.

[1043] Her right wrist and legs and feet were all bound with string and there were ligature marks on her neck and she'd been struck in the forehead and strangled.

[1044] And she's identified as Karen Beth Dynne's friend.

[1045] She's a 28 -year -old sex worker who had been working in that same area that all the rest of them had.

[1046] And she was last seen in the early morning hours of October 14th, 1984.

[1047] So immediately when the cops get there, they see the body, they see the ligatures, they see everything, and they're like, this is the serial killer.

[1048] We've got another body.

[1049] And when they send all the evidence to the medical examiner, they find red nylon fire.

[1050] on her.

[1051] So then on a week later, I think actually it's less than a week later, it's like, no, it's a week later.

[1052] I can't add.

[1053] A week later, the nude mummified remains of a white female are discovered near Highway 301 in Northern Hillsborough County.

[1054] No clothing, no ligatures, no touch, really any physical evidence are found at the scene.

[1055] And due to the amount of time that the body has been exposed to the elements, There's no fibers, there's no hair, there's no evidence on her at all.

[1056] And she actually doesn't get identified until after he is arrested.

[1057] And then when she does, she is Kimberly Kyle Hopps.

[1058] She's a 22 -year -old white female last seen by her boyfriend, getting into what he described to the police as a 1977 Maroon Chrysler Cordoba.

[1059] So then a week later, I can't imagine, a week later, the remains of a were discovered near Morris Bridge, just north of the Hillsborough County line, and her bones were scattered around a large area, and they found a ligature on an arm bone.

[1060] And then they found just a ligature by itself, a shirt, some panties, jewelry are all found there, and some head hairs.

[1061] And all of that helps identify a woman named Virginia Lee Johnson, who was an 18 -year -old white female.

[1062] Originally from Connecticut, she was a sex worker who split her time between Connecticut and the North Tampa area.

[1063] Two weeks later, on November 24th, the nude body of a young white female, I mean, it just fucking keeps coming.

[1064] Nude body of a young white female is found face down and an incline off of North Orient Road in Tampa.

[1065] She'd been there less than 24 hours.

[1066] There was a pair of blue jeans and a flower top next to her.

[1067] She was wearing knee -high nylons, and it basically, the police put together that the killer had pulled off the road and thrown her body over this incline.

[1068] And she, again, had the ligature mark.

[1069] She had all the signs of this same serial killer, all of the signatures.

[1070] Oh, my God.

[1071] And she's identified as Kim Marie Swan.

[1072] She's a 21 -year -old.

[1073] She worked as an exotic dancer, and she was last seen walking out of a convenience store near her parents' home at approximately 3 o 'clock in the afternoon on November 11, 1984.

[1074] Yeah.

[1075] So scary.

[1076] So this is, this part is kind of my favorite thing because as you know, I love the show I survived.

[1077] It's my favorite show.

[1078] It's the best.

[1079] So in the middle of this string of murders, in September of 1984, 17 -year -old Lisa McVeigh, her life is fucking hell.

[1080] So she, her home life is awful.

[1081] And when she's 13, she's being physically, emotionally, and sexually abused at home.

[1082] So she decides to move in with her grandma when she's 13, and then her grandma's boyfriend starts sexually abusing her.

[1083] So she's, it's awful.

[1084] So by the time she's 17 years old, she's suicidal, and she just feels worthless.

[1085] And she has a part -time job at Krispy Kreme Donuts that she goes to after school.

[1086] So she goes to her part -time job one night.

[1087] 17 years old, her boss asks her to work a double shift.

[1088] So she ends up closing that night.

[1089] alone and riding her bike home at 2 o 'clock in the morning.

[1090] No, no, no. Yeah.

[1091] How old is she?

[1092] 17.

[1093] Yeah.

[1094] That's, no. And she says in this episode of I Survived, which you probably saw, but she says she had that night before written a suicide note.

[1095] She was that, she was that bad, like she felt that terrible in her life.

[1096] So she's writing her bike home from work, and I'm just basically retelling, this is her stories.

[1097] You can watch it on I Survived.

[1098] It's amazing.

[1099] And so she's writing her.

[1100] her bike home and she passes a church parking lot and she sees one single car in the center of the church parking lot and immediately gets a bad feeling and gets really scared and a second later someone pulls her off that bike onto the ground and she looks up there's and she feels a gun to her head and she looks up and there's a man standing over her and he pulls her to his car and in that moment she says she realized she has to start paying attention to what is happening she has to so if she lives, she can say what the fuck happened.

[1101] So she sees it's a red car, it has spoked wheels.

[1102] She gets into the car.

[1103] He lays the passenger seat down so she can't be seen.

[1104] He blindfolds her.

[1105] But she said all of her other senses just like came to life.

[1106] So she sees that on the dash there's the word magnum is on the dash in front of her.

[1107] She can see it underneath the blindfold.

[1108] She can hear that the car needs a tune -up, like it's a shitty car.

[1109] Wow.

[1110] It's so awesome.

[1111] And she can hear that the wind changes from driving on normal streets to getting onto the interstate.

[1112] So she knows that they have gone, you know, a far away from, or a little far away from where they were.

[1113] He takes her, he walks her into this house, he takes her into the house, puts her in the shower, and bathes her, basically.

[1114] And she says, then he starts acting like romantic.

[1115] Like it's like their boyfriend and girlfriend, he's being sweet to her.

[1116] What?

[1117] Yeah.

[1118] she says she's like of course paralyzed with fear and she's just decided she's going to do whatever he tells her to do, she's going to do whatever it takes to survive.

[1119] Yeah.

[1120] Which she said, you know, the quote she has is, here I was thinking about killing myself, now I'm going to be fighting for my life.

[1121] Yeah, it's really awesome.

[1122] So he says to her, you're going to show me a good time tonight, and if you do that, you're going to be okay.

[1123] Yeah.

[1124] He throws her on the bathroom floor and rapes her brutally.

[1125] and then takes her back into the bed, ties her to the bed, blindfolds her, and rapes her, like, all night.

[1126] He ended up keeping her for 26 hours in total, but she said, in the middle of that, like, at one point, he kept going into that weird boyfriend mode.

[1127] At one point, he took her hands and had her feel his face.

[1128] Ew.

[1129] Yeah.

[1130] Which is, like, so she's immediately, she's like, you have thin eyebrows, a thin mustache, pockmarked skin.

[1131] She fucking goes, yes, she goes right into like reading his face.

[1132] She feels where his hair line is.

[1133] She's like, I'm fucking, I'm going.

[1134] She said, she thought to herself, I'm going to outsmart him.

[1135] I'm going to tell him what he wants to hear, and I'm going to outsmart him, and I'm going to live.

[1136] I know, it's awesome.

[1137] So as they're talking, she decides she's going to try to appeal to that sweet personality that kind of comes out.

[1138] So he starts asking her about herself, and she's like, I'm an only child, lie.

[1139] My father's very sick, lie.

[1140] If I am gone, he will have no one in this world, complete lie.

[1141] He asks her to describe to him when in high school the other girls getting changed in the locker room.

[1142] And she, because of her abuse, never changed in the locker room.

[1143] She was always in the bathroom by herself.

[1144] She said she's really ashamed.

[1145] And, you know, of course, had a lot of issues about that.

[1146] But she just fucking made up a bunch of shit.

[1147] She was just telling him everything he wanted to hear.

[1148] And at one point, she said, he said to her, what am I going to do with you?

[1149] And she said, I think deep down you're a good person.

[1150] I will be your girlfriend.

[1151] And he, yeah, it's amazing.

[1152] So he said, no, we can't do that.

[1153] And then he says, where do you live?

[1154] And so he puts her back in the car, and he drives back, he puts the blindfold back on her, and he's driving her back home.

[1155] So as they leave the area that he lives in, she's peeking out from underneath the blindfold.

[1156] And they drive by a quality in, and they drive by Howard Johnson's.

[1157] And so she's like, walk.

[1158] He drives her to some parking lot.

[1159] He hugs her and says, I'm sorry for what I did to you.

[1160] And then says get out of the car and walk away.

[1161] And then she hears the car drive away.

[1162] Oh, my God.

[1163] She fucking pulls her blindfold off and, like, drops to her knees and is like, holy shit, I lived through that.

[1164] Then she realizes he could fucking come back.

[1165] So she just starts running home.

[1166] And she said every car that passed, she would duck down behind a car.

[1167] She said it was the middle of the day.

[1168] She must have looked insane, but she was, of course, completely traumatized and out of her mind.

[1169] Well, then she fucking gets back to her grandma's house where her fucking piece of shit grandma's boyfriend is, who opens the door and is so enraged that she has been gone for a full day without telling them where she is that he starts beating the shit out of her what the fuck so finally the grandma's like you know what that's enough and she calls the police so yeah i mean jesus christ jesus christ so so she goes to the police and she's like get your pens and pencils because i've got some fucking information for you red car spoked wheels magnum blah blah blah all that shit oh also when she was in the bathroom at one point he let her go to the bathroom and he was going to make her go to the bathroom with the door open and she said i can't you have to let me close the door and he said fine she closed the door and just started touching everything in the bathroom so in case she died at least her fingerprints would be everywhere on the bathroom i mean it's insane so because of the information and when they when she tells them um the quality in and the Howard Johnson's, that's the area where all of these women were last spotted in these series of murders.

[1170] Okay, so they put it together.

[1171] Yes, and so they end up looking up car registration and they find a red Dodge magnum is registered to one Robert Joe Long.

[1172] So they...

[1173] Oh, shit.

[1174] Is your last page gone?

[1175] Yep.

[1176] Well, listen.

[1177] What ends up happening?

[1178] That sucks.

[1179] But essentially what ends up happening is They arrest Bobby Joe Long And I think we have that picture Wait, hold on, I screwed up And so the next picture I'm going to go by it Wait, hold on Okay, this is, okay, wait Okay, now this is going to...

[1180] It's just that forever.

[1181] Okay, but then it's going to be that And then that.

[1182] There he is.

[1183] Okay.

[1184] That's Bobby Joe Long right there.

[1185] Gross.

[1186] So he's arrested And he is, I'm going to have to do this off the top of my head, But he's, they basically, when they take the evidence from Lisa's body, they find the red nylon fibers that were on all of these corpses that they found.

[1187] And they connect, so they know now that he is connected to this.

[1188] And so they basically tell him, he immediately confesses to the attack and rape of Lisa.

[1189] And then they say, well, and also we have this connection.

[1190] And it's, these fibers are from your car.

[1191] and they're also on all of these victims.

[1192] So then he confesses to all of those murders.

[1193] And he essentially ends up getting, like, I wish I could read it.

[1194] It's like 26 fucking terms in prison or whatever.

[1195] It's like six life terms and all this stuff.

[1196] Yeah.

[1197] They got him on all this stuff.

[1198] And he is, of course, they give him the death penalty.

[1199] And then right around that time, right?

[1200] You got the last guy because he was supposed to be executed in the electric chair and they, or executed, I just made that up.

[1201] It's not the electric chair.

[1202] I don't know.

[1203] However you do it.

[1204] But he.

[1205] By wolves.

[1206] I think that's how they did it.

[1207] Yeah.

[1208] So they commute his sentence to life on death row, which he is still there now.

[1209] Shut up.

[1210] He's still alive.

[1211] He's still there now.

[1212] Let's go get him, you guys.

[1213] But Lisa McVeigh.

[1214] had always, all her life, wanted to be a police woman.

[1215] And so she ends up joining, would you do the next picture?

[1216] She ends up joining the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office.

[1217] Oh, my God.

[1218] And she said, and you can watch it, but at the end of the I Survive, she said, because they always make them say, I survive because.

[1219] And usually it's like people who are like on a weird boat accident, they're like, I survived because Jesus was on the boat with me or whatever.

[1220] she goes I survived because of the coping skills I learned as an abused child and I survived because I outwitted and outsmarted Bobby Joe wow pretty sweet more of the Lisa McVeigh story really than anything else great job yeah well shit those were heavy guys listen I think we have time for a quick one I think we do tell them the rules oh so we'd like one of you to come and tell us hometown murder but you can't be so drunk that you lose your place in your own story you can be drunk just handle your shit um and uh you can't be too far away sorry upper upper deck people it's such a rip -off okay if four people are pointing go ahead come up here here come Vince is here you have to go to Vince yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah over there okay okay okay We turn the house lights down.

[1221] If she sees everyone, she'll freak out.

[1222] Yeah.

[1223] It's scary.

[1224] Oh, hi.

[1225] Can we turn them down?

[1226] I swear, it's so scary.

[1227] There she is.

[1228] What's your name?

[1229] Hi, I'm Elizabeth.

[1230] Hi, come in here.

[1231] Oh, my God.

[1232] What did you say, Elizabeth?

[1233] Lovely.

[1234] I love you.

[1235] Oh, we all match.

[1236] Thank you.

[1237] Where are you from?

[1238] West Palm Beach, Florida.

[1239] You guys know it.

[1240] Fancy, right?

[1241] Not really.

[1242] Oh, okay.

[1243] That's all we know.

[1244] know about it on the East Coast.

[1245] West Coast, where are we?

[1246] What's your hometown?

[1247] So this technically is not my hometown.

[1248] It is my mother's.

[1249] Oh.

[1250] Thank you.

[1251] And this is the murder of Joseph Yablonski.

[1252] Oh.

[1253] So it's a Pennsylvania mining town.

[1254] And it's like dying.

[1255] Because, of course, it is.

[1256] Yeah.

[1257] And they're starting to form, like, a miners union.

[1258] But there's these two guys who want to be in charge of the miners' union.

[1259] and one of them is Joseph Yablonsky and the other guy is this guy whose name I don't remember but like he's important so remember him you're in the right place and so that night the evil guy the one whose name I don't know goes I want to hit on Joseph Yablonsky not like in a hot way but like a kill him way and so New Year's Eve the hit takes place I guess to like cover up the gunshots or something so Joseph Yublonsky is in his house so was his wife and his 24 -year -old daughter.

[1260] So the entire family is shot and killed execution style.

[1261] And everybody in the miners' union goes, it's that guy.

[1262] Yeah.

[1263] Like, it's him.

[1264] And they aren't found for four days till the sons come home.

[1265] It's like it was really bad.

[1266] Yeah.

[1267] And so everybody in the miners union, like once they go back to work, They walk out and say the police need to investigate this.

[1268] Get on that.

[1269] And so...

[1270] Police love it when you say that.

[1271] Yeah, get on that.

[1272] Get on that shit.

[1273] I have a personal connection to this murder.

[1274] My grandfather worked for the police station at that time.

[1275] And also at the funeral home.

[1276] What?

[1277] Yeah, he had two jobs.

[1278] Okay.

[1279] He could do it all.

[1280] Yeah.

[1281] So, a little personal detail.

[1282] But so eventually they're like, they figure it out.

[1283] Yeah, and it's like a giant deal in the town because somebody got straight up murdered.

[1284] A whole family.

[1285] Like a whole family got straight up murdered.

[1286] But I bring up my grandfather because since he worked at the funeral home, he has a special detail.

[1287] And the daughter was getting ready to go out for the night.

[1288] And so she had her hair in curlers when she was shot.

[1289] And so the blood dried and they took it out when they found her.

[1290] and it was like stuck there.

[1291] Oh, awful.

[1292] That's just a few months.

[1293] All right.

[1294] That's amazing.

[1295] Good job.

[1296] Thank you.

[1297] Elizabeth, everybody.

[1298] And she gets to keep that microphone.

[1299] Our gift to her.

[1300] Oh, that was good.

[1301] Yeah.

[1302] I mean.

[1303] Yikes.

[1304] Stop bossing us around.

[1305] It's insane.

[1306] You guys, this has been Tampa, thank you.

[1307] Genuinely amazing show.

[1308] Thank you so much.

[1309] It's, you know, it's so exciting to us when tickets go on sale for our shows and then they sell out and everyone gets mad and there's all that.

[1310] It's such an exciting thing to try to do something like this and have such an amazingly strong response.

[1311] We feel so lucky genuinely to be doing this as our job.

[1312] It's ridiculous.

[1313] Yeah, and I also want to say, and people kept asking us this, was Florida the town I wouldn't, the state I wouldn't come to?

[1314] It was not ever.

[1315] I fucking was like, we're going to Florida because they have so many murders.

[1316] It was not Florida ever.

[1317] You really, it's your thing.

[1318] So thank you so much for being here.

[1319] Thank you.

[1320] We appreciate it so much.

[1321] Thank you.

[1322] And don't forget to stay sexy.