Kate Mara

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[37] Today's guest is Kate Mara.

[38] You know Kate Mara from House of Cards, a teacher fantastic forest shooter, The Martian American Horror Story, and of course, on Black Mirror Beyond the Sea.

[39] Yes, news, which.

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[41] Just a little reminder.

[42] Oh, yes, pre -strike interview.

[43] Recorded all of this pre -strike.

[44] Yes, she's not in trouble.

[45] No, she is not.

[46] This was a very fun.

[47] Most importantly for me, For my money, she loves chimps.

[48] Yeah.

[49] So that was fun to get to talk to another guest with the same kind of enthusiasm over pantrogeladitis.

[50] She's also done some kissing screen tests.

[51] Oh, yes.

[52] Which we get into a little bit.

[53] I also enjoy that, a little kissy kiss.

[54] Please enjoy Kate Mara or, as her sister might say, Kate Mara.

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[59] How do you and Rob know each other?

[60] How are you guys old friends?

[61] My best friend Mara, her husband.

[62] You have a best friend named Mara.

[63] That's not.

[64] That's ridiculous.

[65] There's so much goofy play with Rooney and Mara and Mara, but we'll get into that.

[66] Okay, so your best friend's name's Mara.

[67] Yes.

[68] Ridiculous.

[69] Her husband is in local natives, and that's how I know Rob.

[70] Okay, wonderful.

[71] They played our live show.

[72] Yeah, yeah.

[73] Oh, yeah.

[74] They're fantastic.

[75] They're awesome.

[76] I brought you a gift.

[77] Those are your stepson's Pokemon?

[78] Four years ago, we have had those Pokemon cards, and you want them to know what made its way from the old house to the new house.

[79] Virtually nothing, but those made it.

[80] You know what?

[81] Kristen has said so many times, I'm keeping them safe.

[82] I didn't know it was like this.

[83] There could be millions of dollars.

[84] Who knows what's happened in four years?

[85] Aren't those collectible?

[86] I hope so.

[87] I'm going to sell them.

[88] That might be a fortune right there.

[89] That's so sweet.

[90] She's like, finally, I can get rid of these things.

[91] Yeah, sign our.

[92] Okay.

[93] Your name is so interesting.

[94] And by the way, we did the same thing, I believe.

[95] So your name Kate Rooney Mara.

[96] Yeah.

[97] On my birth certificate is Kathleen Rooney Mara.

[98] But let's not get bogged down in that.

[99] Nobody calls me Kathleen.

[100] But the Rooney is a middle name, correct?

[101] It's not a hyphenated.

[102] Oh, no. I didn't know that.

[103] She stole your identity.

[104] No, her middle name was also Rooney.

[105] But basically, so our girls are named Lincoln Bell Shepard and Delta Bell Shepard.

[106] And I was really heartbroken to learn.

[107] Just last week, I had to go watch her do her poetry reading in her class, fourth grade end of the year.

[108] And she introduced herself as Lincoln Bell.

[109] And I was like, oh, my God, it's already happened.

[110] She did?

[111] She already ditched Shepard, yes.

[112] Whoa.

[113] I mean, I should have known that was going to happen.

[114] Lincoln Bell is a lot more appealing of a name than Lincoln Shepard.

[115] So this is kind of a weird.

[116] You're probably going to want her number after I tell you this story.

[117] There's a numerologist that my friend is obsessed with and gave me a gift of an experience with this numerologist via Zoom.

[118] And she was very passionate about specifically what names you call your children.

[119] So my daughter's first name is Ripley, her last name is Bell.

[120] Believe it or not.

[121] I have to.

[122] Her middle name is Matt.

[123] I don't know, someone had to, sorry.

[124] Someone was going to say it, yeah.

[125] Her middle name is Mara, and because every name has a specific number.

[126] Because of the letters in it?

[127] Yes.

[128] Oh, okay.

[129] And so she said, you have to call her by her full name or things.

[130] The universal implode or something.

[131] Like, bolder.

[132] She was basically like, she's either going to be really difficult.

[133] I was like, she's already really difficult in a great way.

[134] Yeah.

[135] She said, no, just trust me, call her by her full name.

[136] Like at school, it should say the full name, not just first and last.

[137] And then, but with my son, she was like, without the middle name is fine.

[138] Well, it's interesting.

[139] So I imagine her last name is Bell.

[140] Yeah, that's my last name, too.

[141] That's your last name.

[142] You changed your last name.

[143] Me and Kristen have the same initials now.

[144] Yeah, it's K. Bell.

[145] Oh, my goodness.

[146] Okay.

[147] Well, that's nice.

[148] You wanted to show your husband how much you care about them.

[149] I mean, really, I just wanted the same last name as my kids.

[150] Okay.

[151] But I think what we did from my point of view, I was like, well, they could potentially lose Shepard.

[152] I don't know how traditional they'll be if they get married, if they'll want to take someone else's last name.

[153] But you can't lose your middle name.

[154] So in a weird way, you're better off.

[155] But I did lose mine.

[156] No, a lot of people do.

[157] I lost my, Rooney was my middle name.

[158] And I lost it when I got married because I kept Mara.

[159] Right.

[160] You make your, made a name.

[161] Most people lose their middle name.

[162] Wait, why aren't you just Kate Rooney Mara Bell?

[163] It's just too many names.

[164] Or hold on.

[165] It should be Kate Rooney Bell.

[166] And get rid of Mara?

[167] I mean, that's your last.

[168] I mean, that's your Last name is what you're, where it was on the chopping block here, as I understood it.

[169] I hear what you're saying.

[170] My mother has had 16 last names for men.

[171] Middle names never changed.

[172] It's Louise, the whole ride.

[173] I guess I fucked up.

[174] I should go back.

[175] This is curious.

[176] Okay.

[177] So your daughter's down in the same situation you were in, which is you have your mother's maiden name as a middle name.

[178] Yes, exactly.

[179] As does your sister.

[180] Did.

[181] No, legally her name is Rooney.

[182] So.

[183] Wait, no, I thought her.

[184] Now, yeah.

[185] Well, now, but what was it born?

[186] We got to start at the beginning.

[187] Tricia.

[188] Putricia, right?

[189] Well, yeah, but no one calls her Patricia.

[190] People only call her Patricia.

[191] I call her Patricia.

[192] I can't handle the...

[193] When Jamie and I were naming our kids, I was like, we're naming them what we're going to call them.

[194] Get ready for Jamie's name.

[195] Okay, I hit me. His real name or his birth name is Andrew James Matfin Bell.

[196] Madfin is strong.

[197] Could you have gone with Mara Madfin?

[198] That woman is going to win all the Academy Awards.

[199] It's a slash.

[200] Hyphen is annoying.

[201] Sure, but...

[202] Fuck Bell, Madfin.

[203] I love that you don't like the last name Bell.

[204] It makes no sense.

[205] Well, now he hates it because Lincoln wants to go by it.

[206] Lincoln Bell is a great name.

[207] But Lincoln Shepherd is also a good name.

[208] Yeah, it is.

[209] Both they're strong.

[210] They're all.

[211] Everything's groovy.

[212] Back to you.

[213] Since he had a hyphenated name, I feel like you could have chose either of the two names.

[214] And I'm only making a case that Mara Manfred.

[215] What was it?

[216] Madfin.

[217] Madfin.

[218] No, it's too complicated.

[219] Yeah, get rid of it all.

[220] Kate.

[221] Thank you.

[222] Just call me Kate.

[223] Did she hate Trisha?

[224] I mean, obviously, she did if she changed your name, right?

[225] Or maybe the psychic said you have to change her name.

[226] I don't know.

[227] I don't like that the psychic told you that it would be bad luck to not refer to her all of her names.

[228] That feels like it could become a colonel that becomes a self -fulfilling process.

[229] I keep going around the house saying, what's your full name?

[230] Has it affected you?

[231] Totally.

[232] Because look, I had no superstitions.

[233] And then I watched Drugstore Cowboy, that great movie you're too young to have seen probably.

[234] Matt Dellen.

[235] Did you see it?

[236] No. No, but I'm not too young.

[237] I'm just saying.

[238] But you didn't see it, right?

[239] I didn't see it.

[240] You remind you probably would have had to have seen it.

[241] But at any rate, Matt Dillon has a superstition about hats on a bed.

[242] He's a criminal.

[243] So anytime someone has a hat on a bed, they're going to get caught.

[244] It gives me a pit in my stomach when I see a hat on a bed.

[245] It's ridiculous.

[246] I don't even believe in God yet that has affected me. So I know I'm a little susceptible to like a numerologist telling me something and then it really changing the course of my life.

[247] I guess I'm proving that it does affect me, but it's more of a joke.

[248] Jamie thinks it's all ridiculous.

[249] So I like to really get into it and say, make sure you say her full name.

[250] Just to play with them a little bit.

[251] Yeah.

[252] But I hear what you're saying, but I love all that stuff.

[253] I'm not superstitious at all.

[254] Zero.

[255] Not a single one.

[256] No. You could smash a big mirror and say, oh, ding, ding, ding, ding, black mirror.

[257] The kids, the umbrella is in the house.

[258] Yeah.

[259] I love that.

[260] Do you believe in that?

[261] No, no, no. It's really weird.

[262] I believe in that.

[263] I don't like that.

[264] See, Monica and I know each other's.

[265] There's no rhyme or reason to it.

[266] You just pick some up.

[267] The hat on the bed has now transferred to me, which I really hate, because I've never had that.

[268] Right.

[269] And now when I see it, I'm like, oh, yeah, I think you're not supposed to do that.

[270] I think I told someone when I was on a girl's trip recently, oh, you're not supposed to do that.

[271] They were like, what?

[272] And I was like, it's like, no, it's not.

[273] That's just something he decided and it got infiltrated.

[274] Jamie does a thing where he hangs his hat on the post of the bed.

[275] Okay, that's fine.

[276] That makes me crazy.

[277] I don't understand.

[278] It's not a hat rack is what you.

[279] Or a hangar.

[280] It doesn't look pretty.

[281] Can I just tell you guys how absolutely devastated I was just yesterday, Kristen, being very nice, I've received all these different clothes that arrive.

[282] I never deal with it because I didn't ask for them and they're here.

[283] And I just ignore it because I feel crazy getting rid of it and I don't want it.

[284] It piles up.

[285] And so I came out of the bathroom and she said, all you got to do is pull what you want off the bed.

[286] I'll get rid of the rest, which was so generous.

[287] But there were six hats on the bed.

[288] And I honestly felt like Did you feel like you're going to throw up?

[289] I was like I'm like a hit in the head with an anvil right now in my own bedroom.

[290] Yeah.

[291] It was a lot.

[292] That's bad.

[293] Six.

[294] One makes me really nervous.

[295] Were you upset with her that she put them on the bed?

[296] No, no, no. I was just mad at the universe for giving me such bad luck.

[297] Although it's been going kind of well since then.

[298] I was going to say what happens.

[299] Literally nothing.

[300] So you don't have a single thing.

[301] Did you have any tics as a kid?

[302] Any OCD things?

[303] No. Didn't pick your nails.

[304] You didn't pull any eyelashes out?

[305] No. No. Oh, wow.

[306] See, I kind of expected you to have some because you're very open about having been very shy.

[307] Yeah, that was my only thing.

[308] I couldn't really ask for things that I wanted.

[309] I had trouble expressing my feelings, but I was okay with writing them down.

[310] But I also couldn't really write very well.

[311] So it was like really dyslexic.

[312] So everything was upside down and backwards.

[313] Oh, you were really a mess.

[314] Shocking you're here.

[315] Totally.

[316] But I would leave these notes on my mom's pillow saying like, I'd really love.

[317] to go to the movies with you this weekend.

[318] Oh, that's nice.

[319] Or I love you so much.

[320] But that thing made me upset earlier.

[321] Okay.

[322] That's sweet.

[323] I know.

[324] But then you wrote her one that said I want an agent.

[325] Then it became I want an agent.

[326] And she was like, geez.

[327] She's like, I'm going to pretend like I didn't see this one.

[328] But also, I don't know how she read it because she's kept a lot of the notes and they are really bad looking.

[329] Okay.

[330] You have to turn them upside down.

[331] I mean, I was basically a genius because how do you write like that today?

[332] You know, Leonardo da Vinci, he wrote upside down and backwards and something else, and he created an eyepiece for himself so he could read his own writing.

[333] But he trained himself to write in this backwards.

[334] You know, first he was doing it with the eyepiece.

[335] And then he just knew how to do this.

[336] So no one could read his writing.

[337] Oh, so he did it on purpose.

[338] Yes.

[339] So it could have looked like that.

[340] Oh, my gosh.

[341] She's super genius.

[342] Yeah.

[343] That's not how anyone felt.

[344] They were like, this person needs a lot of help.

[345] Do you think shyness is just a genetic predisposition?

[346] Do you think there was an environmental reason?

[347] and you were shy, or do you think you just came out shy?

[348] I think I came out shy.

[349] You're the second oldest?

[350] Yeah.

[351] Okay, you're older brother.

[352] How much older?

[353] A year and a half, Irish twin kind of thing.

[354] Is he shy?

[355] Not at all.

[356] Social butterfly.

[357] Ah, an extrovert.

[358] Because there's four of us, I guess my sister and I both shared the middle child things.

[359] But I was an older sibling and a younger sibling, so I was definitely the peacemaker in the house.

[360] Was Patty shy?

[361] Oh, my God.

[362] She'll love that, right?

[363] She'll absolutely love that.

[364] Wow, I can't, honestly, I mean, I don't know her, but I can't.

[365] That's the last name on Earth that she should be called.

[366] That's kind of why I chose it.

[367] Even Patricia seems so wrong.

[368] It is.

[369] It's totally wrong.

[370] No one never called her that.

[371] So you're right.

[372] But yeah, she was shy.

[373] Okay.

[374] And then how about the youngest brother?

[375] Not very shy.

[376] Ambervert or extrovert all the way, like older brother?

[377] Wow.

[378] No. Is an ambervert?

[379] Both.

[380] He's that.

[381] Connor.

[382] Versatile.

[383] Yes.

[384] We'd say in the gay community.

[385] He's versatile.

[386] verse.

[387] Yes, verse.

[388] You can top or bottom, whatever.

[389] I don't know.

[390] Is that what they say?

[391] Yeah, yeah.

[392] If you can top or bottom, your verse.

[393] So, yeah.

[394] Now, I have to imagine that you hate talking about this football thing at this point.

[395] Is it driving nuts that people are so fascinated by it?

[396] Because I got to admit I am, of course, too.

[397] I'm, like, blown away by it.

[398] It doesn't make any sense.

[399] At least my understanding of it.

[400] I actually think that now that I'm older, and I think probably because I have kids, I look at it in such a, as such a, a different way now than I used to.

[401] I've always been very, very passionate about the Giants.

[402] Definitely wanted to know as much about football as I could because I wanted my dad to think I was cool and my brothers.

[403] But now I just think the history of it is so amazing.

[404] Well, just the notion, I mean, to put it in our terms, like if someone's great -grandfather invented Seinfeld and the other one's great -grandmother invented cheers and they got married, that seems impossible.

[405] Your great -grandfather and your mother, maternal side, founded the Pittsburgh Steelers.

[406] And then your paternal great -grandfather founded the New York Giants.

[407] And they were buddies.

[408] Okay, does that explain how your mom and dad met?

[409] How did your mom and dad meet?

[410] My dad's one of 11.

[411] They met at an owner's meeting.

[412] My mom said, that one's hot.

[413] Your dad's a stud?

[414] Okay.

[415] And then those are so many.

[416] That one, 11th one is hot.

[417] He's actually number three.

[418] And then they ended up both going to Boston College.

[419] So that's how they really got to know each other.

[420] But also, I would imagine that growing up as the child, or in this case, I guess your parents were the grandchildren of, this football dynasty is such a specific childhood.

[421] You're assuming, well, I'm never really going to meet anyone that knows exactly what the experience has been like.

[422] And then lo and behold, you meet someone.

[423] Yeah.

[424] It must have been kind of refreshing.

[425] I think so.

[426] But really, I think that my mom was like, he's hot.

[427] And my mom loves both teams, but I don't think that was top of her list.

[428] I'm pretty sure she said to me, if I can get him to kiss me, I'm going to get him to marry me. Oh, wow.

[429] What a vixen.

[430] I kind of want to meet her.

[431] She's, yeah, bombshell.

[432] Is she?

[433] It sounds like she's assertive, too.

[434] She's assertive, but she's also really quirky.

[435] Assertive bombshell quirky.

[436] Wow, that's a good trio.

[437] What a type.

[438] Yeah, that's a good type.

[439] Yeah, she's really funny.

[440] I'm trying to think who I could describe that way, even in show business.

[441] Okay, she was also voted class cluts.

[442] Oh.

[443] Well.

[444] She was like, geeky?

[445] Uncoordinated.

[446] Very uncoordinated.

[447] Very uncoordinated.

[448] She probably fell a lot.

[449] Class clutz.

[450] That's made up for her.

[451] I've never heard of that superlative.

[452] Yeah.

[453] It wasn't a compliment.

[454] We have to give her something.

[455] Right, right.

[456] She's terrible at sports.

[457] So what can we say?

[458] Now, we're the cultures of the two different families, the Steelers family and the Giants.

[459] family?

[460] Were they similar?

[461] Yeah, like Irish Catholic.

[462] I grew up going, as did my dad and my mom, every Sunday, we would go to church, and then right after church, we'd go straight to Giant Stadium.

[463] Oh, wow.

[464] Yeah.

[465] At the time, when my grandparents were alive, you couldn't just go to a game wearing a jersey.

[466] I had never worn a Giants jersey to a football game until a few years ago.

[467] It was a business, so they were like, you have to get dressed like you're going to work.

[468] Also, the box at the time was probably the size of the aisle.

[469] Oh, it all sucked back then, too, right?

[470] I mean, not to be a little of it.

[471] I mean, way more than sitting in a little seat.

[472] I only mean relative to now today's box experience.

[473] Oh, it's a new stadium.

[474] Yeah, there's TVs hanging everywhere.

[475] The food's amazing.

[476] It's ridiculous.

[477] Whatever you want.

[478] It's so fun.

[479] Yeah, but I'm very nostalgic for the old times.

[480] Giant Stadium was really special.

[481] Did you ever feel like, oh, God, I got to go to the game?

[482] Just because you had to.

[483] Did you want to go to church?

[484] No. Right.

[485] Okay.

[486] But the game, yes.

[487] The game I always wanted to go to.

[488] It's an hour drive, which on the way there, totally fine.

[489] On the way back, usually a nightmare if we lose.

[490] You wouldn't get a police escort?

[491] No. My grandpa had that, but not us.

[492] Okay, because I went one time, I was a guest of Bob Crafts for the Patriots game that was in Boston.

[493] And we had driven there like bozos and waited three hours.

[494] But once we got into his box, he said, why don't you file in your car with me when we leave?

[495] Because they had, yeah, like nine different cops that just guided them out.

[496] That's great.

[497] Were people just so angry in the car?

[498] Yeah.

[499] When what happened?

[500] When they lost.

[501] Oh.

[502] On the right home.

[503] Yeah, it was bad.

[504] Just like silence.

[505] Or worse than silence, we would listen to Mike and the Mad Dog or something, and they would just talk about how horrible the game was and how horrible the giants are and you're just sitting in it.

[506] What's the original industry for both the grandpaws?

[507] Horse racing.

[508] Horse racing?

[509] Not bollies.

[510] Oh, bookies or dirtbags.

[511] I totally do.

[512] Yeah.

[513] Oh, wonderful.

[514] Both of them?

[515] Yeah.

[516] They were just really good gamblers.

[517] Oh, wow.

[518] That's great.

[519] Now, here's my curiosity financially.

[520] I don't know if you've gotten into the books or not.

[521] Let's just say you could have started that team.

[522] It's accruing all this value, but it's not like you're living like a billionaire because you haven't sold the team.

[523] Is there any of that going on?

[524] Right.

[525] There's like this kind of disparity between what you're worth and basically what you have.

[526] My dad didn't own the team when I was a kid.

[527] a scout, correct?

[528] Yeah.

[529] For most of my life, he was a scout.

[530] So we weren't living with the owner of the Giants.

[531] My grandpa was very much one of the hardest workers I've ever met.

[532] I mean, he worked until the day he died.

[533] This is the son of the founder.

[534] Yeah.

[535] So my grandpa Wellington, my dad inherited that.

[536] And he was probably also brought up with that mentality of work hard.

[537] It wasn't as if his dad owned the Giants.

[538] And so therefore, he didn't have to work.

[539] And we were very much brought up in that mentality.

[540] I mean, I started work at 13.

[541] It's an interesting thing, though, because I know a lot of people assume you're billionaires, right?

[542] Right.

[543] I'm not saying I wasn't very, very lucky as a child, but.

[544] It wasn't Richie Rich.

[545] No. Oh, I used to really like that.

[546] Yeah, okay, good.

[547] We have some overlap.

[548] Yeah.

[549] Too young for Silver Spoons.

[550] What?

[551] Ricky Schroeder, Silver Spoons.

[552] How are you?

[553] 40.

[554] Am I too young for Silver Spoon?

[555] You should never ask a woman, right?

[556] A woman cannot.

[557] Exactly.

[558] I totally have to use it.

[559] Wait, what is Silver Spoons?

[560] Silver Spins was a fantastic show with Ricky Schroeder.

[561] Oh, okay.

[562] He was the boy, and he had an outrageously wealthy dad, and the stocking at Christmas time was full -sized human.

[563] He had a train in his house.

[564] Okay.

[565] Jason Bateman debuted as an actor on the show.

[566] He popped so much.

[567] They gave him his own show.

[568] It's like the cauldron of all these 80s.

[569] What's the show they gave Bateman from that?

[570] Is it one that I would know?

[571] He had one show that then led to the Hogan family.

[572] Baitman's got great stories about the Silver Spoon Days.

[573] But the other one when I was a kid was the toy with Richard Pryor.

[574] This formula works.

[575] Super Rich Kid with all your dreams.

[576] I think it's universal.

[577] My kids probably know one that we don't know.

[578] Yeah, I'm sure there have been many.

[579] Richie Riches, Silver Spoons.

[580] Annie, you're rich, right?

[581] Daddy Warbox.

[582] Yes.

[583] What are you laughing at?

[584] Why are you loving?

[585] I just so random, kind of.

[586] That's one of my favorite.

[587] Annie.

[588] It's so good.

[589] I just took my kid.

[590] She looks like Annie.

[591] She's got like crazy hair.

[592] Is it red?

[593] Yeah.

[594] Oh, my goodness.

[595] Orange to be.

[596] It's orange.

[597] Two of my kids.

[598] It's spirally?

[599] It's not spirally, but it is orange.

[600] And both of them.

[601] And Jamie was just, he's still just like, how?

[602] That red thing is powerful.

[603] Did you make fun of Ginger's when you were younger?

[604] No, wasn't that kind of guy.

[605] Jamie was.

[606] Oh, okay.

[607] And now.

[608] It's coming back.

[609] We have them.

[610] Well, I better really check my math.

[611] If I did, it wasn't related to their hair color.

[612] Well, also, am I making this up, or have you talked about ginger's maybe that you grew up with that were actually the scariest ones?

[613] Yes, I have a rule.

[614] There's only four people I will not fight.

[615] I will never fight a redhead.

[616] I don't care for the guy, 60 pounds.

[617] Because, yes, I've seen them start bawling in the middle of getting beaten up and then turn into Worling dervish, Tasmanian devils, crying while beating.

[618] I mean, I don't think that's a redhead thing.

[619] I think a redhead who you saw get beat up and they cry.

[620] No, like five of them.

[621] And they were all smaller because they were getting picked on for being reds.

[622] They all cried and they all behaved in this exact same nature.

[623] Pretty standard, yeah.

[624] We should call Aaron.

[625] We can call them.

[626] Call them in the fact check.

[627] Oh, yeah, do it.

[628] I won't prep for this.

[629] And I'll just say, was there anything all the redheads that got in fights?

[630] Boys and girls?

[631] Or just boy?

[632] I can only speak on the boys.

[633] I didn't see enough girl red fights.

[634] All right.

[635] Well, we'll see.

[636] And you don't care about my other three.

[637] Why would you?

[638] I'll just give you one more.

[639] If you're in a road rage situation.

[640] Yes.

[641] And you find yourself getting out of the car and you notice the gentleman's also getting on the car.

[642] And he, and not in a showy way, he takes his shirt off and sets it on the seat.

[643] Not like takes it off and bears his chest.

[644] Just puts it in the seat.

[645] That's a guy who's ruined so many shirts fighting.

[646] He's learned to take it off first.

[647] You want to get back in your car and just drive away at that point.

[648] This reminds me, something happened this weekend.

[649] This was crazy.

[650] I've never experienced this.

[651] I was at all time, obviously.

[652] Do you ever go to all time?

[653] All the time.

[654] It's probably.

[655] I've seen you.

[656] I love it there.

[657] I love it.

[658] But I was outside with a couple friends.

[659] All of a sudden we hear this crazy honk, just not releasing.

[660] And they were coming out of the driveway, and I guess there was a car a little bit blocking the driveway.

[661] And there was a guy in it.

[662] He just was sort of oblivious and waiting for someone.

[663] And so the guy was just blaring on the horn, and then the other guy noticed he pulled up a little bit, let the guy out.

[664] He turns around super fast, gets out of the car.

[665] He's so angry.

[666] He's huge.

[667] He's having a roid rage, maybe.

[668] A hundred.

[669] Like, it was so scary.

[670] And he went up to the car and he slammed his fist on the window saying like, what the fuck?

[671] Yeah.

[672] And honestly, we're all like, we're all about to be dead.

[673] A gun is imminent.

[674] Sure.

[675] Then he got back in the car.

[676] But I felt so bad for this Uber driver waiting for these two girls in heels to come get in his car.

[677] Do you think it's possible this meathead was a taxi car?

[678] cab driver that had been run out of town by an Uber driver?

[679] No, I don't feel like giving him any compassion.

[680] Honestly, I don't.

[681] It was so disturbing.

[682] Are you so grateful I wasn't there?

[683] I would have gone to the Uber driver's defense and then he and I would have probably had a little mixed off.

[684] Right, right, right, right.

[685] Yeah, so I'm glad that wasn't the case.

[686] I was just like, man, people are fucked up.

[687] Yep.

[688] Truly, you could feel like that's an option to do today?

[689] Yeah, I wonder what was going on there.

[690] Was this on a Sunday?

[691] It was on Friday.

[692] That makes more sense.

[693] Okay, we are way off track.

[694] Redheads.

[695] Or are we?

[696] Are we bullseye?

[697] I don't know what we were talking about besides red -headed children.

[698] So you were living in the city as a child, though, yeah?

[699] No, we lived in Bedford, New York.

[700] It's in Westchester.

[701] It's like an hour north of the city.

[702] Martha Stewart lives there.

[703] Very, very beautiful.

[704] Lots of horses.

[705] Everyone's got lots of land.

[706] Just a really beautiful.

[707] place to grow up because you're close enough to New York City where you can just hop on the train and you're in it.

[708] Or if you're in Bedford, like when I go home to visit my parents, getting postmates there is still not really a thing.

[709] It still feels remote and I love growing up there.

[710] Did you go to a small school?

[711] No, the public school there was pretty big, but my mom would drive me into the city most days for auditions.

[712] And that started at what age?

[713] I started doing community theater at nine.

[714] But I didn't start doing professional stuff until I was about 13 or 14.

[715] When did you write the no request?

[716] When I was nine, it took her a while.

[717] Okay.

[718] Okay.

[719] She had to sit on it for a sec. She had to make some calls.

[720] And literally everyone was like, does she want to play football?

[721] Right.

[722] Right.

[723] It's totally different industry.

[724] So it took a while for that to happen.

[725] They were very supportive, but they weren't jumping at the opportunity.

[726] Also, there's three other siblings.

[727] You just made me think of a hypothetical that could have happened now that we're three generations away in 11 kids and 30 aunts and uncles.

[728] Lots of males have been born since these two patriarchs started these teams.

[729] I can imagine a scenario where like a pretty lackluster football player was expecting to get drafted out of some nepotism onto one of these teams.

[730] Has that ever happened?

[731] No. Not one.

[732] You see what I'm saying?

[733] Yeah.

[734] Yeah.

[735] I know what you're saying.

[736] My dad definitely played football, but not super seriously.

[737] I think most of them are just more business.

[738] No lugheads in the mix.

[739] It feels like more successiony.

[740] It sounds like Kennedy's though because of the gambling.

[741] Oh sure.

[742] It's rooted in like bootlegging and way.

[743] That's my crazy.

[744] I'm so against horse racing so it's very complicated.

[745] But yeah, it's such a huge part of my family.

[746] Well, but they get to be famous.

[747] Isn't that worth it?

[748] We'll do anything.

[749] Yeah.

[750] Right.

[751] Yeah, not quite this.

[752] I don't know.

[753] I can't name one horse.

[754] Oh, Seabiscuit.

[755] Oh, Seabiscuit.

[756] Oh, my God, you're right.

[757] Secretary.

[758] There's been a bunch.

[759] Mr. Red is also a very famous horse.

[760] Right.

[761] Correct.

[762] Now that's all I'm thinking about is famous horses.

[763] The Black Beauty.

[764] Okay.

[765] What age do you start working?

[766] What's your first job?

[767] And I want to talk about this funny right of passage.

[768] I'm just now realizing we've had a million guests in here that have said it.

[769] But then we were just also there.

[770] And if you were an actor in New York, you were going to be on Law & Order.

[771] Oh, yeah.

[772] And you were going to audition many, many times for a Law & Order.

[773] That's like step one of being an actor.

[774] It seems like is like get yourself on law and order.

[775] There's so many roles on that.

[776] Because it's a procedural.

[777] Yeah.

[778] And there's six or seven different law and orders.

[779] And they're just churning out content.

[780] I think that was my first job.

[781] On my resume?

[782] On your resume?

[783] It does appear to be here first.

[784] I didn't really say much.

[785] I think I just cried.

[786] Wow, that's hard to do on your first role.

[787] I think I was so nervous.

[788] I just started crying.

[789] It was one of those.

[790] She's bled into it.

[791] Yeah.

[792] If I remember correctly, Bryce Dallas Howard and I, I had more red hair when I was younger, but at auditions, you always spot the other redheads, because if they want a redhead...

[793] They can't do two redheads.

[794] Because then people will go, they're sisters.

[795] Mm -hmm.

[796] And she and I definitely saw each other at a few Law & Order auditions.

[797] Oh.

[798] And I think she got the one I really wanted.

[799] So that hurt.

[800] But I got this one.

[801] It all worked out.

[802] It all worked out.

[803] There was plenty of roles in the Law and Order universe for everyone to get a little taste.

[804] You did Law & Order and you also did Law & Order SVU?

[805] Oh, yes.

[806] I played a murdering gymnast.

[807] Oh, my God.

[808] Wow.

[809] Wow.

[810] Why was she murdering people?

[811] She wanted a spot on the team, I think.

[812] You think they were biting off the Nancy Kerrigan story?

[813] Yes.

[814] Tanya Harding.

[815] Because that would have been 92 that that happened, I think.

[816] So this was after, yeah, because I was 14 probably when I did that.

[817] But I guess that's why it made sense that the gymnast would kill people.

[818] Right.

[819] And I don't think she was trying to actually murder them, but that's kind of what happened.

[820] Okay.

[821] Why did you graduate a year early from high school?

[822] Because I was so obsessed with acting.

[823] School gave me a lot of social anxiety.

[824] And because of the dyslexia, I wasn't a bad student, but it took a lot of extra work for me to just do basic learning.

[825] Learning in a normal way was not ideal for me. I really needed one -on -one.

[826] Anytime I was acting and had tutors on set, I found it so much easier to learn and to retain the information.

[827] I got you.

[828] Did that rear its head at all with learning lines and all that?

[829] No, because I had a tutor after school three days a week from the time I was really little.

[830] Oh, okay.

[831] She basically would teach me. Yeah.

[832] Yeah, yeah.

[833] She would reteach me everything that I learned in school.

[834] When I was in elementary school, that's when I was really needing the support.

[835] And then when I made it to high school, I didn't have that anymore.

[836] She sort of cured me of my dyslexia with reading and writing.

[837] But learning in general, I found really challenging in big groups.

[838] I would sort of start daydreaming.

[839] So I just wanted to get out as fast as possible.

[840] And I was so determined.

[841] I went to the guidance counselor, whoever you go to, and I said, like, how can I double up?

[842] Yeah.

[843] I have a parole meeting.

[844] How can I get out?

[845] Yeah.

[846] They were like, I don't understand.

[847] I also had to lie to my parents and say that it was because I wanted to start college early because college was, you had to go to college.

[848] Yes.

[849] Yeah, you're a Mara.

[850] It's Mara.

[851] It's Mara?

[852] I heard you say that now.

[853] a few times, and I felt like, are we going to be able to do that?

[854] You already knew it.

[855] I didn't.

[856] Say it one more time.

[857] Mara?

[858] Okay, say it with a thick New York accent.

[859] Mara.

[860] Oh, I hate accents.

[861] Rooney Mara.

[862] That's how my grandparents talked.

[863] She's huge.

[864] She's going to be huge.

[865] Mara.

[866] Fuck you, Mara.

[867] Is that New York?

[868] Is that what's happening?

[869] Yeah, I don't know.

[870] Let's just go anywhere.

[871] Let's create our own dialogue.

[872] It's some hybrid between Boston and New York at this point.

[873] Well, you're doing.

[874] Trump.

[875] Oh, that's what's Trump.

[876] China.

[877] Mara.

[878] Do you get so sick of having to...

[879] Correct people?

[880] Yeah.

[881] No, I don't usually correct people.

[882] I just felt inclined to all of a sudden, because we talked so much about names earlier.

[883] I'm glad you did.

[884] And you felt inclined to correct the fellow dyslexic.

[885] You're like, this is an easy target.

[886] That was a dick move.

[887] Yeah.

[888] That was a dick move.

[889] It's confusing because my sister says Mara.

[890] Oh, no. Oh, well, then fuck you.

[891] Then I'm 100 % stained.

[892] No, now I'm good.

[893] No one else in my family says Mara.

[894] Me and Rooney do.

[895] Me and Patty.

[896] Patty Mara.

[897] Oh, my gosh.

[898] I can't wait to tell her that.

[899] Hi, we have a call for Patty Mara.

[900] Is she there?

[901] She's probably bending to everyone else because she knows, like, I'd rather not.

[902] Also, back in the day, maybe, how would it sound in Ireland?

[903] Oh, Mara probably.

[904] Mara.

[905] I don't know.

[906] She's a Scottish, yeah, Mara.

[907] That's like Rihanna's name.

[908] name is Rihanna by her own.

[909] That's how she says her name.

[910] Rihanna.

[911] I mean, I'm saying it really, really American.

[912] I've been saying it wrong this whole time.

[913] We all have, and then no one wants to change it.

[914] I know, it's hard to do.

[915] It's hard to do.

[916] But you can say Mara or Mara.

[917] I don't care.

[918] I'm going to say Mara.

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[938] So the Mara's had to go to college.

[939] And so you're like, I'm going to get out early to go to college.

[940] But in your mind, you're like, I'm not.

[941] We're going to fuck off and go be an adult.

[942] Yeah.

[943] And so my brother wasn't happy about that because then I was in his grade, because I skipped a grade in the same grade.

[944] And he said to me, If you date my friends I was interested in some of his friends But I would never say it But he was like If they call your name At graduation before me You're dead Oh really And I was so nervous His name is Danny So they called his first What a dumb fury head Yeah of course They're gonna do alphabetical They're not gonna switch it up Just because we got a couple of Maras Well but I was I mean Otter Yeah Yeah But he was very hot He was the quarterback What is he single?

[945] No To his four kids.

[946] Oh, just like dad.

[947] He's done it perfectly.

[948] Is he a football scout as well?

[949] No. He was on Wall Street and now, I don't know.

[950] He's like Gordon Gecko.

[951] Oh, wow.

[952] Great is good.

[953] Yeah.

[954] Good for him.

[955] Wait, can I ask, because you said you're shy, but I can't imagine.

[956] Well, not anymore, really.

[957] Oh, yeah, back then, though, when you were in high school.

[958] I just can't imagine that you weren't the most popular girl in school.

[959] Not at all.

[960] I wasn't.

[961] You can't?

[962] I can't.

[963] Really?

[964] Yeah, and that's not a dig.

[965] I think it's a common.

[966] It's a huge compliment, which is why I'm trying to differentiate.

[967] I'm not burning you by saying that.

[968] But I see that for sure.

[969] If you don't talk in high school, you can't be popular.

[970] She's so pretty.

[971] No, I literally walked around like this.

[972] Look at her.

[973] Of course, she was hot.

[974] Guys, this is so nice.

[975] No, it's true.

[976] No, but I had really long hair in, I think this is where it stemmed from the don't look at me thing.

[977] In elementary school, I had my hair down one day.

[978] And one of the boys in school was obviously, flirting with me, but I thought he was just being a dick.

[979] And he said I looked like cousin It.

[980] Okay.

[981] And then I was like, I'm never wearing my hair down again.

[982] And then I got boobs really young.

[983] Yeah.

[984] What age?

[985] Oh, I don't know.

[986] Oh my God.

[987] How young is young.

[988] Well, the story about the hair sounds like it's a story in first grade.

[989] That is young.

[990] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[991] But the boobs, I think what, 10, maybe nine.

[992] Oh, that is young.

[993] Yeah.

[994] In sixth grade, you had boobs.

[995] Yes.

[996] That's what mine came in as well.

[997] Did you want yours, though?

[998] No. My mom was like, I think it's time to wear a bra and I cried.

[999] It was like, no, get me an undershirt.

[1000] I don't want a bra.

[1001] I don't want people to be looking at me and see this.

[1002] Were you told to wear a bra?

[1003] I don't remember that piece.

[1004] I think my friends were wearing bras.

[1005] Okay, without.

[1006] They didn't have boobs.

[1007] That's what most of the kids were doing.

[1008] So I think I had one just because that's what girls were doing, but I needed it.

[1009] It's just so exemplifies the human experience.

[1010] If you don't have boobs, you're wearing a training bra and you want them.

[1011] If you've got them, you don't want them, and you don't want to fuck with brothers.

[1012] No one's happy.

[1013] That's the conclusion.

[1014] No one's got what they want.

[1015] It's true.

[1016] My mom was so open.

[1017] She would always talk about before we ever got our periods and things like that.

[1018] It was a very open, I would say, conversation.

[1019] But I wanted to be a little kid.

[1020] You wanted less attention and you wanted to be a little kid.

[1021] But then I also wanted to be an actor.

[1022] And you had red hair and big boobs, so you were fucked.

[1023] I was fucked.

[1024] I was saying she wasn't popular.

[1025] I wasn't unpopular.

[1026] I just wasn't.

[1027] One of the popular...

[1028] Did you have a boyfriend in high school?

[1029] When I was a sophomore?

[1030] Yeah.

[1031] And what grade was he in?

[1032] He was a senior.

[1033] Yeah.

[1034] But it was like a quiet relationship.

[1035] Okay.

[1036] He used to leave Dunkin' Donuts in my locker every morning.

[1037] Oh, my God.

[1038] He loved you.

[1039] That was like really cool.

[1040] How'd you let that one get away?

[1041] Sounds like a keeper.

[1042] We were definitely not compatible other than we both really loved Dunkin' Donuts.

[1043] Was it Ben Affleck?

[1044] Oh my gosh.

[1045] in the high school yearbook, they do most popular, most this, most that best actor and best actress.

[1046] For some reason, they put Ben Affleck as best actor, and I got best actress.

[1047] Wow.

[1048] So that's my connection to Ben.

[1049] And have you ever acted in anything with us?

[1050] That is so exciting.

[1051] But I have worked with your other boyfriend, Matt Dave.

[1052] Yes, on the Martian.

[1053] Okay, tell me if I'm imagining this.

[1054] You probably don't remember.

[1055] But when the Martian came out, however many years ago, I was on.

[1056] on Twitter, then I don't have Twitter anymore.

[1057] I was, oh, you too.

[1058] Yeah, fuck that.

[1059] So we can't even go and see if this is in my imagination.

[1060] I think we followed each other and you very sweetly, but then I was like, is he making fun of me?

[1061] tweeted, Kate, great job in the Martian.

[1062] I forget what it said, something like that, but I, because I'm, you know, insecure human, I was like, why is he bringing up my tiny part in the Martian?

[1063] Like, yeah, it made me insecure when I read it.

[1064] And then, of course, I was like, well, why?

[1065] the world would he be wasting his time making fun of my performance in the march i'd be really sadistic i'd have to be like beyond just mean i have to be scouring films to fuck with people yeah anyway it was such a nice thing to do but i took it as that couldn't be a real compliment i've had that too i just want you to know i think that's very human i too have received praise and i thought they're fucking with me i think because how could it possibly be real but of course it's real i know but it's ridiculous well i've that too were like a role was written for me in a movie that's me playing me and I'm like I'm not a big enough star to justify this what else is going on our brains are so powerful yes right and also just wrong most of the time wrong and powerful it's a great combination exactly okay back to so you did get into tish to NYU you're going to do musical theater in theory yeah I was so determined to not go to college because then that would defeat the whole I want to Yeah.

[1066] So then I booked a couple other little jobs.

[1067] I think I got some indie movie as well that was filming in September.

[1068] And so I said, as long as I can pay for my own place and my own life, can I just defer a year.

[1069] But I knew I was never going to go.

[1070] And they believed me. Your parents believed you and NYU believed you.

[1071] Yeah.

[1072] For whatever.

[1073] It's like three years you can keep deferring.

[1074] You were acting for your life at that point.

[1075] And it worked.

[1076] It was like the prestige.

[1077] You had become the act.

[1078] You had to live the magic act.

[1079] That's what happens in the prestige.

[1080] You could have been in school with Kristen.

[1081] Well, she's two years younger than Kristen.

[1082] Year ahead.

[1083] Oh, you're right.

[1084] She's a year ahead.

[1085] Yeah, so we would have only been a year apart in school.

[1086] Yeah, so you would have definitely crossed pads in the theater.

[1087] That's true.

[1088] You might have dated Jake Gyllenhaal.

[1089] Did she?

[1090] She went on a date with him.

[1091] Oh, my gosh.

[1092] While she was at NYU.

[1093] Exciting.

[1094] Have you ever gone on a date with him?

[1095] No, but I was just thought to myself, did he play my dad?

[1096] And then I remembered, no. No, Heath played my dad.

[1097] No, because Heath played my dad.

[1098] Oh, that's broke back mountain.

[1099] With Jake Jones.

[1100] Yes, and if Twitter had been around in 2005, I would have complimented you on that as well.

[1101] I think the first time I see you is I was an enormous NipTuck fan in 2003.

[1102] Oh, were you?

[1103] I'll say that show probably doesn't even get the credit.

[1104] It deserves it.

[1105] It really started.

[1106] HBO had great programming, Sopranos and a couple other shows, but no other networks were making R -rated, heavy drama.

[1107] Yes.

[1108] That, to me, started the whole thing, Nip -Tuck.

[1109] And you were right there on the ground floor.

[1110] You know, who else served their time?

[1111] on nip -tuck.

[1112] Who?

[1113] Bradley Cooper.

[1114] Yes.

[1115] And then we were both on Jack and Bobby as well.

[1116] Oh, you were.

[1117] Oh, my God.

[1118] Did you ever date him?

[1119] Uh, no. That was a confusing.

[1120] That was a confusing.

[1121] No, but I have dated a few of your friends, so.

[1122] You have?

[1123] I have.

[1124] You didn't date Bradley, but maybe there was a hang time.

[1125] Wait a second.

[1126] Guys, as if I'm going to admit anything like this.

[1127] Well, I had to do the craziest screen test with so many guys.

[1128] I feel like it would not be legal now.

[1129] They would not let you kiss this many people in the screen test for that movie Green Lantern.

[1130] I was the girl that they had read with all of them.

[1131] Ed Bradley was one of them.

[1132] Yes, he screen tested for that, right?

[1133] So did you kiss Ryan Reynolds?

[1134] He ended up playing Green Lantern, right?

[1135] Oh, yeah.

[1136] Who else?

[1137] Wow, you could write a book about who's the best kisser.

[1138] All the leading men probably were audition for that.

[1139] You were kissing him on that?

[1140] Not on Green Lantern, but another one.

[1141] Fantastic Four.

[1142] No, a different one.

[1143] Oh, my goodness.

[1144] We've known each other forever.

[1145] Jamie and I screen tested for that movie Stop Loss.

[1146] Ryan Felipe got that part.

[1147] Rest and P. Nope.

[1148] That's Paul Walker.

[1149] Oh, my God.

[1150] Money, money, money, money.

[1151] You got to call your numerologist immediately clear this bad thing that just happened.

[1152] You got to clear it.

[1153] We need to go in the numerologist.

[1154] I actually just had a slight panic.

[1155] I was like, did he?

[1156] I know.

[1157] I know.

[1158] Anyway, that's how me and Jamie first met, 15 years ago, and I did have to kiss a bunch of people.

[1159] And my mom reminded me that I went home that day and said, Mom, I had to kiss like four different guys.

[1160] And you know who's the best kisser?

[1161] That Jamie Bell.

[1162] Oh, that's so cool.

[1163] And she was like, really?

[1164] Because all the other guys were much bigger and it was to play a Marine or something.

[1165] Yeah, they're kissing you like a superhero and they're mine on a superhero kiss like.

[1166] I mean, I never would have guessed we'd get married 15 years later.

[1167] Wait, sorry, Jack and Bobby.

[1168] I totally forgot all about it.

[1169] forgot that you were a huge character.

[1170] Was I?

[1171] You were.

[1172] I was like a stoner.

[1173] It was fast, but it made a huge impact.

[1174] It burned hot.

[1175] It really did.

[1176] I totally forgot it.

[1177] Logan, the main kid, so good.

[1178] Who is he?

[1179] He's like a big guy.

[1180] Yeah, he's still acting.

[1181] I forget.

[1182] Oh, God.

[1183] It was a long time ago, but I did love it so much.

[1184] It was a long time ago.

[1185] It was so long ago.

[1186] It was like 20 years ago.

[1187] I was watching it real time.

[1188] Logan Lerman.

[1189] Logan Lerman.

[1190] So, okay, yeah, and he's done some really great things.

[1191] He was in the Bradson.

[1192] We don't remember anyone.

[1193] Bullet train.

[1194] Oh, whatever.

[1195] He's great.

[1196] Whatever, that show was great.

[1197] Whatever, that show was great.

[1198] Oh, my God.

[1199] I have one question about something you did.

[1200] I didn't even see it, but I just read that you shot this movie, Trans -Siberian.

[1201] Yeah.

[1202] Three months in Lithuania?

[1203] Yeah.

[1204] What was that experience like?

[1205] Brutal.

[1206] Was it?

[1207] Well, it was freezing cold.

[1208] And so you couldn't do anything without being freezing cold.

[1209] It was mostly exteriors and or in the train.

[1210] And the train was not really cold.

[1211] Woody Harrelson, it was such a fun cast, though.

[1212] Emily Mortimer and Sir Ben Kingsley.

[1213] Oh, my goodness.

[1214] Really awesome cast.

[1215] I'll say.

[1216] And then you return to the Ryan Murphy world from Nip Tuck and you do American Horror Story, which I don't see, but I'll tell you where all of a sudden I get very interested in you, of course, is 2012 for House of Cards.

[1217] loved that show.

[1218] I bailed out, but the first three seasons, maybe?

[1219] Oh, you watched the first three, though.

[1220] Yes.

[1221] Why did a lot of people bounce after the first?

[1222] It's hard to stick with a show, I feel, like, after two seasons.

[1223] Oh, really?

[1224] That was, like, the first bingey show.

[1225] That was Netflix's first hit.

[1226] That was a title wave of attention, yeah?

[1227] Wow, this streaming thing's going to work.

[1228] Wow, they have a hit.

[1229] Isn't that crazy that that's when it started?

[1230] Because now it just sort of feels like streaming has always been around.

[1231] But at the time, it was this new.

[1232] experiment.

[1233] Yeah, 2012.

[1234] That's five seconds ago.

[1235] And you're right.

[1236] We feel like we've always been able to watch whatever we wanted whenever we wanted to do.

[1237] Fincher made that.

[1238] Is he as rough on shows as he is in movies?

[1239] Oh, with the multiple takes?

[1240] The trillion takes?

[1241] Yes.

[1242] I cried one day because I thought, oh, he just must think I'm terrible.

[1243] I called my sister because she had just worked with him on Dragon Tattoo.

[1244] So I was able to actually say, like, is this normal?

[1245] I'd heard about how many It takes - But when it's happening to you, you assume it's because you're - It's hard to not take it personally.

[1246] Yeah, I could never do it.

[1247] I'm too thin -skinned or not confident of something.

[1248] It's weird.

[1249] I at first was really insecure about it.

[1250] And then after the first week, I really liked it.

[1251] It gives you so many opportunities.

[1252] But what I heard from someone that was a star, one of those movies, is you're going to get all those opportunities, but he's never going to pick your best take.

[1253] He's going to pick whatever the best camera move was.

[1254] That generally most of those are all about getting all these different camera moves correct.

[1255] Right.

[1256] Well, that's how I think I eventually got out of my head about it was going, oh, it's not just for you every single take.

[1257] That's why he's so good, because he pretty much gave a note after every single take.

[1258] Wow.

[1259] So he makes you feel like, I'm not just ignoring you, but I did call my sister after one night.

[1260] I'm like, what do I do?

[1261] I'm terrible.

[1262] We, you know, we were doing the same line, I don't know, 50 times, and she was just like, oh, it's totally normal.

[1263] It probably had nothing to do with you.

[1264] I'm pretty sure it did have to do with that.

[1265] I was saying the line, but it made me feel better.

[1266] And then, because he filmed the first two episodes, so the first two hours, and then brought in a different director for the next two hours.

[1267] And it was so hard for all of us to shift the way we had been working.

[1268] I think the next director who came in was James Foley, and his energy is so different and so positive.

[1269] And every single thing you do is great.

[1270] And only a couple takes.

[1271] And we were all so scared.

[1272] Yeah.

[1273] You know, it's funny.

[1274] used to it.

[1275] You hear the Fincher thing, and then everything he does is great.

[1276] There's no arguing that.

[1277] You start thinking, well, I guess it's justified.

[1278] But then I just was talking to a friend who was just in a Christopher Nolan movie.

[1279] Fincher's not better than Nolan.

[1280] And Nolan's three takes.

[1281] It's not that one's necessarily better.

[1282] It's just that's his approach.

[1283] Yeah, and I'm evaluating the approach.

[1284] You could say that the ends justify the means because his work is so good.

[1285] I'm only saying there's lots of examples of the work being that good or better without that.

[1286] No one's going to join me there.

[1287] That's fine.

[1288] He lives in the neighborhood.

[1289] I kind of like it.

[1290] No, yeah, we're friends.

[1291] I know.

[1292] He lives really close.

[1293] But I, I liked it.

[1294] Most people that I've talked to like it.

[1295] A little torturous.

[1296] If you're a little masochist, it's for you.

[1297] Are you a jogger?

[1298] Yeah.

[1299] I just guessed that.

[1300] I didn't read that.

[1301] How is that?

[1302] Oh, it's masochistic?

[1303] Massacistic plotter.

[1304] Interesting.

[1305] Yeah.

[1306] 13 miles a day?

[1307] No. If we're going like to a hotel and I can't do my Pilates class, then I'm only jogging.

[1308] Okay.

[1309] And how far are you jogging?

[1310] And every day, it's like, I did two today.

[1311] So tomorrow I'm going to do three.

[1312] There we go.

[1313] That's why I can't jog.

[1314] Oh, because eventually you just can't do that.

[1315] Yes, I was like leaving my old house and I would run and I'd be like, I'm going to run to Hillhurst and come back.

[1316] That's 2 .6 miles.

[1317] It's great.

[1318] No, I got to run to Wayne.

[1319] Now I've got to run to that.

[1320] Now I'm running down to the fucking five.

[1321] And I'm miserable.

[1322] And it won't ever stop unless I stop running.

[1323] Aren't you just describing an addict's brain?

[1324] Probably.

[1325] Do you have an annex brain?

[1326] No. But I'll go one more minute, not one more mile necessarily.

[1327] But even let's say it's one more minute.

[1328] Does that ever end?

[1329] if you were left to jog every single day.

[1330] Yeah, because then she has to go to Pilates and then to start all over the next week.

[1331] I don't care that much.

[1332] Okay, so you'll do it, you'll add until you'll get to some threshold.

[1333] Yeah, and then you feel really good about myself.

[1334] Mine is add until it's untenable and then have to stop the thing altogether.

[1335] Yeah, fantastic four.

[1336] Is this where you guys fall in love?

[1337] When the movie came out, the press tour is when we fell in love.

[1338] Okay.

[1339] But not when we were filming in the movie.

[1340] And let's explain to people press tours.

[1341] So you might have a fantasy about what being an actor is like.

[1342] And for the most part, it's incorrect.

[1343] The set life is not glamorous at all.

[1344] It's really fucking boring.

[1345] The hours and long, all this stuff.

[1346] Yeah, you spend most of the day waiting.

[1347] In your trailer, wondering why your trailer is not as big as someone else's trailer that's there.

[1348] Because you think, well, this is miserable, but it might be fun in that other trailer, and that's all you think about.

[1349] Now, press tours are everything you think they are.

[1350] The Julia Roberts movie, where she plays the famous actress and they do a press tour.

[1351] Oh, America's Sweethearts.

[1352] Oceans 13?

[1353] No, America's sweethearts.

[1354] I think, right?

[1355] It's Notting Hill.

[1356] You were right the first time.

[1357] Well, she is an actress in that.

[1358] Oh, but she is an actress in America, too.

[1359] And she plays herself in Oceans 13, which I didn't appreciate.

[1360] Yeah, but there's no press tour.

[1361] Yeah, it's not a press tour.

[1362] Anyway, there is a press tour in Notting Hill, and it's pretty accurate.

[1363] Okay, well, if you haven't seen that, I want to explain the economic model, which is, the studio has a budget to make the thing.

[1364] And then they have a separate budget to promote the thing.

[1365] Their only way to promote it is to, A, buy advertising in either magazines, online, commercials, whatever.

[1366] They're going to spend their money on that or to send the actors around and get free advertisement.

[1367] So for them, the math is really simple.

[1368] An ad in this newspaper costs, you know, whatever it is, $900 ,000 versus they can send you first class, sweet at the four seasons, all the meals you want.

[1369] But all in, it's going to be like 26 grand.

[1370] They're going to get like 10 covers out of it.

[1371] So they spoil you in the most wonderful way.

[1372] Yeah.

[1373] The moments when you're not sitting being interviewed for hours on end, those are fun.

[1374] And if you really like the people that you made the movie with, you're all on a vacation.

[1375] Six or eight hours a day, you've got to do these annoying interviews.

[1376] And they suck.

[1377] It's the rapid fire.

[1378] You talk to every human.

[1379] And if they don't like the movie and you can tell, which is what happened does.

[1380] That's most of my career is promoting movies that everyone.

[1381] They love all superhero movies except the one I did.

[1382] So, that's confusing.

[1383] Miles Teller.

[1384] I adore him.

[1385] Do you like him?

[1386] Was he a blast?

[1387] I love him.

[1388] He's great.

[1389] How do you not fall in love with Miles?

[1390] No. He reminds me of my older brother.

[1391] Oh, actually.

[1392] And you know what?

[1393] When me and Jamie got married, we had a really, really tiny wedding.

[1394] I think we sat Miles next to my brother, and they really hit it off.

[1395] Very similar vibes.

[1396] A couple of alpha jocks.

[1397] I feel like I really missed out on your brother.

[1398] Yeah.

[1399] I'm horny for him, too.

[1400] A jock type?

[1401] She hates to admit it, but yes.

[1402] Oh, okay.

[1403] Look how disappointed her, not.

[1404] I don't like it.

[1405] I mean, oh, I don't know.

[1406] I don't know.

[1407] I don't know.

[1408] I just know I'd love him.

[1409] He's like Miles Teller.

[1410] Okay, so you love Miles Teller as well.

[1411] Love Miles.

[1412] And what about Michael B. Jordan?

[1413] Oh, yeah.

[1414] Oh, my God.

[1415] Who doesn't Michael be Jordan?

[1416] Oh, duh.

[1417] Hell is on Parenthood.

[1418] We're watching it right now, and he was great.

[1419] He's so good on this.

[1420] He's so good.

[1421] everything.

[1422] I know.

[1423] Isn't it fun when you're on TV shows and members of it becoming enormous stars?

[1424] There's something like really gratifying about that.

[1425] Has that happened to me?

[1426] Kevin's Facey.

[1427] He's doing great.

[1428] Bradley, Jack and Bobby.

[1429] Wait, I didn't even know Bradley was in Jack and Bobby.

[1430] I got to go back and rewatch.

[1431] If you think I had a big role, no, his role was actually, I was just a guest star.

[1432] I think I was only on, I don't know, five episodes maybe.

[1433] But I remember you.

[1434] Was Cooper, Jack, or Bobby?

[1435] No. No, they were the kids.

[1436] Yeah.

[1437] I didn't watch it, clearly.

[1438] I'm just learning of the shows right now for the first time.

[1439] Wait, and it was based on the Kennedys.

[1440] Oh, Jack and Bobby Kennedy.

[1441] Yeah.

[1442] And Christine Lottie was the mom.

[1443] Great mom.

[1444] She was such a good mom.

[1445] Yeah, we love her.

[1446] Anyway, why did we go back to that?

[1447] Because I brought it back there for no reason.

[1448] Oh, yeah, Bradley was a huge star.

[1449] Right.

[1450] Yeah, so you could say that.

[1451] Yeah, it is fun.

[1452] It is fun when your co -stars become really.

[1453] famous, yeah.

[1454] It's very fun to watch.

[1455] Okay, one last thing we got to check in with before we get to Black Mirror and Class of 09.

[1456] I think we're fellow chimp lovers.

[1457] I'm fascinated.

[1458] What about them?

[1459] Well, they're so similar to - It's weird you don't like alphas.

[1460] I just don't want to be in a relationship with an elf.

[1461] Now, is that learned?

[1462] Yeah, I think I've dated a lot of alphas, but I've dated a lot of people before I realized that.

[1463] Half my friendship circle was told.

[1464] We'll find out who.

[1465] Yeah, mostly alphas.

[1466] Oh.

[1467] No, no, I don't know.

[1468] I don't know either.

[1469] Yeah, but I also just think the football world is so alpha.

[1470] So I always kind of was like, oh, I don't want that.

[1471] I want the opposite.

[1472] I want emotions.

[1473] I want whoever I'm with to be super sensitive.

[1474] But what's curious is your dad's an alpha.

[1475] Yes.

[1476] So you have to first feel this immediate familiarity.

[1477] I bet it feels normal.

[1478] Yeah.

[1479] It could be misleading.

[1480] Really familiar, yes.

[1481] Yeah.

[1482] And you can mistake the familiarity with love.

[1483] I can.

[1484] Totally.

[1485] But then my dad is so alpha.

[1486] and doesn't really express his feelings, and I love the opposite.

[1487] I want somebody to be talking about their feelings all the time.

[1488] Yes.

[1489] Well, this hopefully will be Alpha 2 .0.

[1490] Oh, yeah, I know.

[1491] That's the hope, right?

[1492] Like males going forward, yeah.

[1493] Yeah, that's the goal.

[1494] That's what I hope I'm pushing towards young dudes.

[1495] It feels like that.

[1496] Yeah, ride wheelies on motorcycles, and then do a four step and figure out what your role in every problem.

[1497] You'll feel stronger afterwards.

[1498] Own your failures and apologize a lot.

[1499] Uh -huh.

[1500] And then ride wheelies and shit.

[1501] Yeah, I like Alpha 2 .0.

[1502] The great qualities of the old school alpha.

[1503] Right, without all the, what's he doing out in the shed for three hours by himself?

[1504] What's he processing up there?

[1505] The pent -up stuff.

[1506] What was that explosion I just saw of his temper?

[1507] Where'd that come from?

[1508] But chimps.

[1509] We love chimps.

[1510] They're amazing.

[1511] They are so similar to us.

[1512] And so it's fascinating.

[1513] Have you watched?

[1514] Chimp Empire, I was just going to ask, have you seen it?

[1515] It's incredible.

[1516] Yeah, I haven't finished it yet because I fall asleep.

[1517] when I watch anything.

[1518] Lucky you.

[1519] For someone who struggles to fall asleep, I would kill for that.

[1520] Again, grass is always greener.

[1521] You've got boobs.

[1522] I don't have boobs.

[1523] I want them.

[1524] Yeah, you want boobs and sleep.

[1525] Metaphorically.

[1526] Jamie can't fall asleep.

[1527] So he comes in and he'll catch whatever it is that I started and then he'll finish it.

[1528] Get sucked into things he never intended on watching probably.

[1529] He's always like, what is this corny TV?

[1530] I'm like, what are you watching?

[1531] Because I fell asleep watching that sex life show.

[1532] Oh, is that good?

[1533] People love it.

[1534] Well, it's like porn.

[1535] Oh, I should watch that.

[1536] I would like that.

[1537] Well, remember the big thing was that guy's dick.

[1538] Oh, yeah.

[1539] Everyone was talking about it.

[1540] And then it maybe was fake.

[1541] Is it prosthetic?

[1542] Is it not?

[1543] Oh.

[1544] It was a big deal.

[1545] I was going to say that's where it changes.

[1546] I was going to add that when we were talking about high school.

[1547] The boobs thing seems universal.

[1548] Girls who had them didn't want them and girls who didn't have one.

[1549] It doesn't work that way with big penises.

[1550] Like, if a boy has a big penis, he's stoked.

[1551] He has a big penis.

[1552] Right.

[1553] So I just wanted to point out that.

[1554] Just another thing that guys have easier than girls.

[1555] Yeah.

[1556] Yeah.

[1557] So you haven't finished.

[1558] I'm not going to say much, but it is a rough last episode.

[1559] Yeah.

[1560] Okay.

[1561] Yeah.

[1562] This is a perfect segue.

[1563] In fact, I was so sympathetic to males in general watching that show.

[1564] You first meet this troop and you meet Jackson and he's the alpha male.

[1565] And they talk about how he has to do these displays of aggression all the time to maintain his role as alpha.

[1566] And so you start it and you're like, fuck, I hate this guy.

[1567] Everyone hates this guy.

[1568] Everyone's just enjoying.

[1569] their time in the woods and then this motherfucker starts throwing logs and people get hurt like he's pulling it around he's throwing people and then as you get into it you're like this guy's job is tough man it's like he's got three different dudes that are coming for him at all times he knows it when he gets overthrown it's not going to be pretty he might die also when the next troop arrives he's got to be number one leaving his life or death yeah yes his whole life is like trying to hold on to this little fucking smidgen and then you get this amazing glimpse have you seen the scene where it's actually the alpha from the other troop and this is very common in chimps and in a lot of primates the alpha male will take on an orphaned young boy or girl doesn't matter yeah they'll tend to take an orphan under their wing and groom the orphan and start caring for it like they're a mother then you see on the other side of the coin they're the sweetest members of the whole troop and then what they go through and you're like, it's a miserable existence being that outlaw.

[1570] And it's just, it's so blatantly human.

[1571] I know.

[1572] It's like this role that male humans have taken on.

[1573] It's like, I got, they're going to come in for me if I'm not the fucking lead guy.

[1574] No emotions and then just starve for intimacy and softness.

[1575] I just end up feeling really bad for that role.

[1576] It seems so exhausting.

[1577] But the difference is, is that in the chimp world, that is life or death.

[1578] Like, they have to play that role.

[1579] where in our society, we've made up this story where if you don't, then you're not manly enough or you're not enough.

[1580] Right.

[1581] But the problem is no matter what story we create or how we evaluate what alphanus is at any given point, the instinctual pull is there.

[1582] It's just like a fire inside.

[1583] Yeah, you can't do anything about that.

[1584] No, it's like we can keep making a version where hopefully status is achieved through benevolence.

[1585] that would be the ultimate goals.

[1586] Like, yeah, take all that alphanus.

[1587] And the way to be highest status isn't to defend the troop.

[1588] It's to be the most benevolent person, right?

[1589] That would be the wonderful transition.

[1590] But in between there, we are still the animals that those chimps are.

[1591] Totally.

[1592] We're fucking animals.

[1593] Yeah.

[1594] I'm so glad you like Chimp Empire.

[1595] Can I watch the rest of it with my kids?

[1596] We started watching it with my kids.

[1597] Yeah, okay.

[1598] Yeah.

[1599] Because that's really why I wanted to watch it was to teach my kids about that whole world and how similar we are and why we should be treating animals with the same love and respect that we treat each other and all of that.

[1600] And then I was kind of, even in the first episode, it's so intense.

[1601] Definitely doesn't feel like it's made specifically, well, it's not at all, made for children.

[1602] But like, I like that about it.

[1603] It's real.

[1604] Just the reality.

[1605] Yeah.

[1606] Have you gone to Africa?

[1607] Yeah.

[1608] So I had the most unique experience going to Liberia in Africa.

[1609] Where is Liberia?

[1610] It's East Africa.

[1611] Every time I've gone there, the flight attendants say the same thing to me and my sister.

[1612] They're like, so where are you going after?

[1613] I'm like, no, no, that's where we're going.

[1614] That's our final destination.

[1615] And they're like, are you sure?

[1616] I'm like, I don't understand.

[1617] But I guess it's a unique place for people to visit.

[1618] We got invited years ago to visit this chimp sanctuary where all of these chimps had been abandoned by the New York Blood Center after years of testing.

[1619] They sent them back all the way down?

[1620] Or they were doing the tests in Ivorya?

[1621] They were doing the tests there, and then they left them on an island.

[1622] And the people there had been feeding them themselves, taking them food, like bananas and rice and all this stuff, on little boats and going to the islands.

[1623] And we were invited to go and sort of see the operation and to get the word out that the New York Blood Center should do the right thing and pay to help keep these animals alive because they had been using them for all these years.

[1624] So that was years ago that we went.

[1625] to visit.

[1626] And the couple running this sanctuary, someone needs to make a movie or something about them because they're from Boston.

[1627] They're a married couple.

[1628] And they left their lives in Boston and now live in Liberia with chimps.

[1629] People think, well, leave them on an island.

[1630] They'll figure it out.

[1631] Not after we've captured them and they've been living in cages and we've been hand -feeding them their whole lives.

[1632] Well, and they desist off of culture as much as we do.

[1633] Like everything is learned.

[1634] They don't have barely any instinctual shit just like us.

[1635] Exactly.

[1636] We went and we met this couple who were trying to make the lives better for all of these chimps, and they literally sleep with all the babies because the babies are like human babies.

[1637] They need intimacy.

[1638] Yeah, they need to literally be on you 24 -7 or they won't survive.

[1639] So they sleep in a bed with like six chimps, baby chimps.

[1640] Do they wear little diapers?

[1641] Sometimes, but sometimes not because they don't want to be wearing diapers.

[1642] But what about getting pooped on in the middle of the night when you're snuggling?

[1643] That happens.

[1644] Uh -huh.

[1645] Okay.

[1646] Sometimes the chimps get smart and they poop off the edge of the bed.

[1647] Okay.

[1648] That's nice.

[1649] That's really nice.

[1650] But they feed them with bottles and it's a whole thing.

[1651] And so my sister and I had a really unique experience.

[1652] Did you sleep with them?

[1653] No, but God, I really wanted to.

[1654] I would want to so bad.

[1655] But they don't just trust you right away.

[1656] You have to spend a lot of time with them for them to be comfortable with you.

[1657] Can't they be really mean?

[1658] Yeah, I was bit.

[1659] You were?

[1660] Yeah, just because I got out of the car and if there's an alpha who sees you, I don't know of me the guy was moving.

[1661] I just kind of stood there.

[1662] I think he was a toddler.

[1663] He wasn't an infant.

[1664] And he just came over and bit my leg.

[1665] It didn't hurt.

[1666] Yep.

[1667] It didn't break skin, but it left a nice big purple mark.

[1668] Oh, shit.

[1669] Yeah, it was a little shocking.

[1670] But, again, humans shouldn't be interacting with the chimps unless you are there to care for them.

[1671] We were there to help them with the infants.

[1672] And then, you know, occasionally a toddler will come around because this is their home.

[1673] So it was just an incredible experience.

[1674] and seeing all of the people of Liberia who their entire lives are caring for these chimps, the relationship that they have to them is so magical and so trusting.

[1675] And it's like they're children, their actual family.

[1676] They must be the happiest two people on planet Earth.

[1677] Are they super happy?

[1678] Oh, yeah.

[1679] They're like angels.

[1680] They have such clear purpose, and they leave for an hour.

[1681] And when they come home, the sounds coming from their house because all the chimps hear the car.

[1682] They know it's Jimmy and Jenny's car coming up.

[1683] And they start shrieking because they're so excited to see their parents.

[1684] It's the craziest thing I've ever seen.

[1685] Because they don't have human kids, but they have, I don't know how many chimp children who rely on them.

[1686] Chimprin.

[1687] Chimprin.

[1688] Chimprin.

[1689] And Liberia is really incredible.

[1690] We try and go every year, but having kids complicates it.

[1691] Yeah.

[1692] And if a toddler bit a two -year -old.

[1693] No, we can't bring the kids.

[1694] Yeah.

[1695] They have to be much bigger.

[1696] Stay tuned for more armchair expert, if you dare.

[1697] Okay, I watch Black Mirror Beyond the Sea.

[1698] Because I got to be honest, Black Mirror is confusing to me. I've watched it and loved it, but I've never thought, when's another season coming?

[1699] I don't know how many seasons there are.

[1700] It seems like a hard show to track.

[1701] Yeah, well, because it's random.

[1702] Enough that, like, you'll see it and you're thinking, is that new, or they're just suggesting that and it's old?

[1703] I don't know.

[1704] Right, right.

[1705] But this is season.

[1706] six of Black Mirror and of course watching your episode Beyond the Sea made me remember how much I love Black Mirror and that I wish I was keeping track better of it.

[1707] I am up to speed though as it turns out when was the last season I think it was 16 years ago was season five I don't know 2011 yeah it was 18 okay I was gonna say 20 that couldn't have been that one but three years ago that's a long gap between seasons 2019 four years for year thank you well first of all it's a movie It's an hour and a half or something.

[1708] Yeah, they're so cool because they are little mini movies.

[1709] You don't have to watch every episode if you don't want to.

[1710] You can just watch the one that you want.

[1711] They're standalone.

[1712] Yeah.

[1713] Did you feel honored to be asked?

[1714] It's kind of like a cool thing to get asked to do.

[1715] It is cool because people are so obsessed with that show.

[1716] And I've been a fan of it for a long time.

[1717] So I was really excited to be asked.

[1718] I was also a little bit scared of what the episode was going to be because they're all so wild.

[1719] But I loved this one because it felt so much.

[1720] more steady and for my character anyway, the world she's in was kind of more grounded and a little more quiet.

[1721] Yeah, I would imagine you might think you're going to have to play something way in the future.

[1722] Yeah.

[1723] But you're actually playing in a world that almost feels like a throwback.

[1724] 1969 is what it's said in.

[1725] And then the premise, we've got to be very careful about what we talk about.

[1726] I've watched half so I don't know the end and I don't want to know the end so I can help monitor.

[1727] To have the power to be able to ruin your day.

[1728] It's so scary.

[1729] No, it's scary.

[1730] I'm like, oh my God, I could accidentally.

[1731] But the simplest explanation of the premise, I guess, is there's two astronauts and they are clearly in route to somewhere very, very far away.

[1732] They're not going to be with their family for years.

[1733] And what they can do is they can put this little card in a slot and they lay in this bed and it allows them to then occupy a model of themselves that's imperceptible from the real them.

[1734] It's a perfect anatomical clone of them.

[1735] And they can occupy their consciousness and they can be back in their real life for, I don't know.

[1736] Certain amounts of time during this journey.

[1737] And you in this are married to Aaron Paul, who's one of the astronauts.

[1738] And you guys are living like out in the country on a farm.

[1739] Yeah, it was so funny.

[1740] We were filming in like the middle of Kent in England, but it was supposed to be America.

[1741] Are they all filmed in England?

[1742] They shot half of it in England and then half of our episode.

[1743] So the stuff, with Josh Hartnett was filmed in Spain.

[1744] Oh, it was.

[1745] It's generally Europe, yeah?

[1746] Yeah, I don't think they've ever really filmed here, but it was weird to go all the way there.

[1747] I guess the person who built the house was American and was missing America years ago, and so he built a house that reminded him of home.

[1748] Whoa.

[1749] I know.

[1750] So that's where we filmed on this, like, beautiful farm.

[1751] It does look too nice to be America.

[1752] It's so ideal.

[1753] It is.

[1754] Yeah, it's really ideal.

[1755] It reminds me of Bedford of where I grew up.

[1756] Yeah, it reminds me a bit of Michigan, the summer green, lush, deciduous trees everywhere.

[1757] Oh, I love it.

[1758] And like a lake nearby.

[1759] Yeah.

[1760] Really nice place to grow up.

[1761] So Aaron Paul is one of the astronauts.

[1762] And then Josh Hartnett's another one.

[1763] So he's going to see his family.

[1764] The vibe is that the two different relationships are very different.

[1765] Yours is very traditional.

[1766] Aaron Paul is very controlling.

[1767] Yeah, and not very emotionally available to my character, Lona.

[1768] And he's a taskmaster to the child.

[1769] And Josh Hartnett is like a swinging 60s astronaut stud.

[1770] They got a swanky modern house.

[1771] Very swanky.

[1772] How nice is that house?

[1773] Yeah, very cool.

[1774] Boy, and then I guess we can't really say what.

[1775] I don't really say much.

[1776] I feel like you can say that thing, even though it's a huge piece.

[1777] Let's say it out loud and then we'll see if it sounds crazy.

[1778] Yes, Josh is home with his family and some anti -technology terrorists basically break into his house.

[1779] and they want to kill the clone because they're afraid of this technology.

[1780] It's like a Sharon Tate style.

[1781] Yeah.

[1782] Very Sharon Tatey.

[1783] Yeah.

[1784] And they murder his family.

[1785] Yeah.

[1786] And now he goes back to the ship.

[1787] And now he's just a guy stuck in a fucking ship.

[1788] Oh, wow.

[1789] And they kill his replica.

[1790] That's right.

[1791] They chop it all up.

[1792] Yeah.

[1793] And so then stuff starts to ensue.

[1794] So I think it's fine to leave him.

[1795] I think it is too.

[1796] The dynamic that's important is there is one astronaut who no longer has a family.

[1797] there's nothing left for him to go back to, and he's in route to who cares where.

[1798] And the other one's still very dialed into his life.

[1799] But I have predictions, but I don't know.

[1800] What's your prediction?

[1801] Yeah, well, I want to hear your prediction.

[1802] We won't respond at all because we know.

[1803] Okay, so where I ended was he came back into Aaron Paul's replica the first time.

[1804] And he's crying.

[1805] To pain his picture?

[1806] No, not yet.

[1807] Okay.

[1808] He's just brought that up saying, I could go back and do this.

[1809] That's literally where I just ended.

[1810] Okay.

[1811] So he's obviously going to go.

[1812] back.

[1813] But he was already crying and you were already hugging him.

[1814] And I was like, oh, no. So obviously, he comes back to paint the picture and then you two fall in love.

[1815] And then he never goes back.

[1816] Interesting.

[1817] Good prediction.

[1818] Um, great.

[1819] By the time the fact check happens, we'll get to touch back in and see how good you did.

[1820] So everyone listening, watch it before you listen to the fact check.

[1821] Yeah.

[1822] Stop right now.

[1823] Yeah.

[1824] Yeah.

[1825] Okay, so you have that.

[1826] It's incredible.

[1827] It's a movie.

[1828] How long to take to shoot?

[1829] A couple weeks.

[1830] That's it.

[1831] Yeah.

[1832] God.

[1833] That's impressive.

[1834] I know.

[1835] You also have class of 09, which I have not seen, and I apologize, but I watch the trailer and it looks incredible.

[1836] And then most exciting for me other than you is Brian Tyree Henry.

[1837] Have you met him yet?

[1838] I've not met him, but I'm an enormous fan of Atlanta.

[1839] And he has Paperboy is insane.

[1840] He's so good.

[1841] Oh, he's great.

[1842] in Atlanta.

[1843] God, is he good.

[1844] I know.

[1845] I saw bullet train for, I mean, Brad Pitt in a bucket hat, sure.

[1846] But for him.

[1847] I know.

[1848] With the English accent, the whole nine.

[1849] He's very good.

[1850] And he's Juilliard?

[1851] Don't know.

[1852] He went to some crazy acting school.

[1853] Yale.

[1854] Yale Drama.

[1855] Yale drama.

[1856] He's bright.

[1857] Yeah.

[1858] He's fancy.

[1859] Will you tell me about him?

[1860] The sweetest, always smiling, always cracking.

[1861] jokes and also as an actor he's so prepared everything is so elevated when he does it I love him what's happening oh my god it's my baby monitor oh let's check in with baby you guys the baby monitor is on hold on oh my that was freaky so creepy and so sorry this could be an episode of blackmail right now I wonder how long that's been going and like are you going to hear that off.

[1862] You won't hear it if we didn't hear it, and that's the first time I heard it.

[1863] Oh, my God.

[1864] Wow.

[1865] They must have closed in on the mic a little bit.

[1866] Did they gather up around wherever the monitor is?

[1867] I don't know.

[1868] Maybe she's putting him to sleep or he's just waking up.

[1869] I don't know.

[1870] I've got a baby.

[1871] How old's the baby?

[1872] Seven months.

[1873] Oh, my God.

[1874] Well, I filmed Black Mirror and Class of 09.

[1875] I was pregnant during all of that.

[1876] Wow.

[1877] Holy Snikely.

[1878] Well, not during all of Class of O '9.

[1879] It was like the last couple months for Black Mirror the whole time.

[1880] Wow.

[1881] And so we were kind of trying to mask.

[1882] That didn't slow down heart in it.

[1883] Maybe he likes that kind of thing.

[1884] I think he does.

[1885] Anyway, I love Brian Tyree so much.

[1886] No, he didn't give anything away.

[1887] Okay.

[1888] No, not at all.

[1889] No, no, no, no, no, no, I swear.

[1890] It didn't give anything away.

[1891] What if the big thing we were keeping from Monica is that your baby bump gets huge?

[1892] Well, Kate Mara.

[1893] Well done.

[1894] That was good.

[1895] Kate Rooney Mara.

[1896] Kate Mara Bell.

[1897] Kate Rooney.

[1898] Mirobevich.

[1899] Ooh, Mictavitch.

[1900] What was it?

[1901] What's Mictdovich?

[1902] I don't know.

[1903] She put some Polish Jew in there.

[1904] Mgdevich.

[1905] Is Jamie's...

[1906] Oh, no, no, Matt Finn.

[1907] Matt Finn.

[1908] Matt Vind.

[1909] Matt Lack.

[1910] Matlock.

[1911] Matt Lack.

[1912] Matt Fenn.

[1913] Matt Fenn, Bell.

[1914] You know, you and I have had such few interactions.

[1915] Basically, trails, to my knowledge.

[1916] We have seen each other at trails where we mutually both hike.

[1917] Yes.

[1918] So I think the first time we met, was, we were doing a table read, Kristen as well, for Justin Long's movie that he wrote, I think, with a friend of his.

[1919] This was so long ago.

[1920] And you and Kristen were sitting right next to me, and I don't know if this was the beginning of your relationship or what, but you guys kept writing in each other's scripts like little kind of, like, flirty, because I was trying to see what you guys were writing.

[1921] And you, anytime she had a line, you'd write on her thing, like, killed it, babe.

[1922] It was really cute.

[1923] So I think that was the first time we met.

[1924] If you were around us at the early stages, you got lucky because it also was explosive.

[1925] Oh, okay.

[1926] You could have caught us on any one of the days.

[1927] This was a very sweet day.

[1928] Okay, good, good, good.

[1929] I'm very happy to hear that.

[1930] I don't remember doing that.

[1931] It's all kind of a blur to me, but I just remember being like, what are they writing in each other's scripts?

[1932] Were you in a relationship when you were kissing all those people for the screen test?

[1933] No. Because that's fun then, or is it?

[1934] Or is it still just like, oh, yikes?

[1935] One of the people had really bad B .O. No, I hate that.

[1936] I'll tell you who it was after.

[1937] I can't wait to hear.

[1938] I don't want to out them.

[1939] No, no, we would never do that.

[1940] That's shaming someone.

[1941] But, no, I mean, can be fun.

[1942] Yeah, yeah.

[1943] Oh, this person's coming in.

[1944] Yeah, on the vibe.

[1945] I was on the verge of telling you when you brought it up, but my experience with that was I had been basically cast in a Carl's Jr. commercial.

[1946] And the premise was.

[1947] Two people are making out.

[1948] The guy hears over the TV that they've lowered the price of tacos or a burger to 60 cents or something.

[1949] And so he starts searching in the couch cushions while he's making out.

[1950] Okay.

[1951] But it is a full one minute of making out while you're doing all this fake space work and everything.

[1952] So I had done the initial audition and maybe a callback.

[1953] Then they called me in to go through all the finalists on the female side.

[1954] So similar to you, I sat on a couch and they just.

[1955] just brought in actress.

[1956] Oh, my.

[1957] Well, we know you enjoyed it.

[1958] You'll like the ending, you the most.

[1959] I have this great experience.

[1960] I'm like, this job is amazing.

[1961] You sit in my couch and you make out with girl after girl.

[1962] And I'm so excited.

[1963] And it's, by the way, the first national commercial life book.

[1964] And nationals are five or six years of trying.

[1965] I'm so bad at it.

[1966] I finally get it.

[1967] And I spent the whole Friday making out with girls on the couch.

[1968] My girlfriend comes into town that day from Detroit.

[1969] We go to this girl who I end up being with for nine years, side story.

[1970] We go to her.

[1971] apartment.

[1972] I get in it with a guy.

[1973] I get my nose broken in a fight on Saturday.

[1974] I'm broke.

[1975] I have no choice but to try to show up and just do this commercial, which I tried to do.

[1976] And my nose is so fucking enormous and broken and crooked by Monday.

[1977] And my eyes are completely black and blue.

[1978] I have full broken nose.

[1979] They didn't recat.

[1980] They were, of course they recast me, but I was like, I'll just show them hair and make it.

[1981] Maybe make it better.

[1982] Yeah.

[1983] So you'll be happy to know that the universe right -sized all that kissing with the broken nose and then I didn't get to even do the job.

[1984] I don't think it's because you got in a fight.

[1985] That one wasn't my fault.

[1986] I'm sure.

[1987] I'm sure.

[1988] I am sure.

[1989] I believe that it wasn't instigated by you.

[1990] No, I was sitting on the floor sitting on my hands and a dude standing above me. Sucker punched me in the nose.

[1991] Probably the funniest part of that whole thing is he punches me. My nose immediately breaks.

[1992] So it's just like a gallon of blood just comes out and then he's still hitting me i'm like covering myself the second he stops i jump up chase him he runs through his door locks the door runs out his thing gets in his car and drives away brie is in the room screaming she's never seen anything like this and my girlfriend from detroit who i'd been with for five years at that point she was like it does none of this even fucking matters grab me another beer like nothing to see here it didn't face for at all she didn't care at all she wasn't worried about me running away she's like yeah i've seen this a hundred times Who cares?

[1993] Everything's fine.

[1994] It's triggering from that guy who hit the car.

[1995] Yeah, you're feeling emotional about it.

[1996] I didn't mean to bring you back there.

[1997] It's all right.

[1998] Really, I thought it was a funny story because Carrie didn't really care.

[1999] Yeah.

[2000] Kate, Rudy Maribel.

[2001] So lovely to have you in the attic.

[2002] I'm so glad you came in.

[2003] I hope everybody watches Black Mirror season six, episode three, beyond the sea.

[2004] You must watch it.

[2005] Also, check out Class of 09 on FX slash Ulu.

[2006] I hope we will see you again.

[2007] I hope you'll come back.

[2008] I might go in the sauna with Kristen right now.

[2009] Oh, you should.

[2010] Good luck with those playing cards.

[2011] It's a party.

[2012] Oh, yeah.

[2013] Thank you for the Pokemon, guys.

[2014] You should definitely see if you've got any million -dollar cards.

[2015] Yeah, I'm going to.

[2016] All right.

[2017] Thank you, guys.

[2018] Good luck with everything.

[2019] Stay tuned for the fact check so you can hear all the facts that were wrong.

[2020] Okay.

[2021] I'm wearing a hat for the first time.

[2022] And it's a new thing.

[2023] Yes, this is something that I've already dealt with before.

[2024] I've tried to wear hats during interviews.

[2025] Yeah.

[2026] And Charlie wears a hat during his podcasting.

[2027] As we already discussed, Wabi Waw wears a hat.

[2028] He looks great.

[2029] It looks very natural.

[2030] He kind of wears one exclusively, I'm realizing.

[2031] Even though he's got great hair.

[2032] Yeah, he does have great hair.

[2033] It's hard to contain, though.

[2034] It's unruly for you?

[2035] Yeah.

[2036] Yeah.

[2037] It's not very long.

[2038] No, it's long.

[2039] I guess it is kind of long.

[2040] I mean, it's long.

[2041] Oh, it is quite long, yeah.

[2042] Anyway, the hat is a new feeling.

[2043] I got it yesterday.

[2044] I got it very last minute because I realized you're supposed to wear pink to the Barbie movie.

[2045] Oh, shit.

[2046] So you did an impulse by walking in or something?

[2047] It's an unspoken rule.

[2048] Everyone in there was wearing pink.

[2049] Yeah, it's really cute, actually.

[2050] That is cute.

[2051] It feels very sweet to look around and everyone's done the same thing.

[2052] Yeah, community.

[2053] Community.

[2054] Connection.

[2055] Well, what's a bummer for me is I have so much.

[2056] I love pink.

[2057] I have so many options, but I didn't think about it.

[2058] And then I had to run into a Nordstrom rack and I bought this hat and a shirt.

[2059] Oh, great.

[2060] But now I'm going to embrace the hat because also some cool people like Jennifer Lawrence are wearing hats.

[2061] Baseball caps.

[2062] Oh, okay.

[2063] So that's a new thing.

[2064] Baseball caps.

[2065] Well, that works for me. I, because I cut my hair short.

[2066] Okay.

[2067] And I feel like I look much better in a baseball cap than I did with long hair.

[2068] Oh, interesting.

[2069] wearing a baseball cap quite a bit myself and really enjoying it.

[2070] I didn't today.

[2071] You accidentally stumbled upon fashion.

[2072] Yes.

[2073] Well, we're not going to talk about Barbie because you haven't seen it.

[2074] Okay.

[2075] But I encourage.

[2076] And you haven't seen righteous gemstones.

[2077] Right.

[2078] So we're not going to talk about that either.

[2079] Damn it.

[2080] Okay.

[2081] I love it so much.

[2082] But I would encourage everyone to see Barbie.

[2083] Oh, but we're not allowed to?

[2084] Like, what's the difference between an actor coming on and promoting Barbie?

[2085] That's a no -no in the strike.

[2086] I'm not in it.

[2087] I know.

[2088] Oh.

[2089] Oh, fuck.

[2090] It's in a confusing...

[2091] I think we can just own how confusing it is.

[2092] Like, you're not allowed to see you watching a show and loving it?

[2093] We're allowed to say that.

[2094] We're not in it.

[2095] And also, though, I do want...

[2096] I am striking tomorrow morning.

[2097] Okay, great.

[2098] Also, last time we talked...

[2099] I don't know if I said this, but before I struck last time, I was really concerned about the T -shirt situation.

[2100] Did I bring this up?

[2101] No, what's the T -shirt situation?

[2102] So when I watched the Riders Strike, A lot of them were wearing these blue T -shirts that said WGA, and they looked really cool.

[2103] Coordinated.

[2104] Yeah, and it was coordinated, and it was blue, and it was neat.

[2105] I liked that.

[2106] And as soon as the actors decided to strike, of course, my first thought was, will there be T -shirts?

[2107] Uh -huh, and what will the color be?

[2108] What will it, they look like?

[2109] Should be pink, although it would look like everyone's promoting Barbie.

[2110] Oh, yeah, we can't do that.

[2111] That's so confusing.

[2112] Will the actors be on top of the T's like the writers were?

[2113] I got a little nervous that they weren't going.

[2114] to.

[2115] I asked Elizabeth, how did Elizabeth Lame, who was the writer in the Writers Guild, who's been striking forever.

[2116] How did the t -shirts work with these things?

[2117] And she said that the first few days of the strike, they had t -shirts.

[2118] If you get in there fast, you can get a free tea.

[2119] I just hope it's not like red and blue blood and crip.

[2120] Like you show up and you're in a purple shirt and they're like, that's the studio color shirt.

[2121] And then you notice ever all the Studio president's driving there all wearing purple shirts.

[2122] No, it was.

[2123] It could happen.

[2124] It could happen.

[2125] But anyway, all to say, when I went, they had a couple smalls left.

[2126] So I got a shirt.

[2127] When I got home, I realized that the shirt I got...

[2128] Was bogus?

[2129] Well, it wasn't bogus.

[2130] And it is true, but it's SAG supports WGA.

[2131] Okay.

[2132] Not just SAG Strong.

[2133] Okay.

[2134] So you need a shirt that says sag strong.

[2135] Yeah, and I'm, I do support WGA.

[2136] Yeah, of course.

[2137] And so I'm happy to keep wearing that, but I also would like a sag strong.

[2138] That wasn't a veil.

[2139] Where are you buying this?

[2140] They're free.

[2141] Oh, someone's handing them out?

[2142] Like, when you go, you go and you sign in.

[2143] Okay.

[2144] And sometimes there's donuts and waters and stuff.

[2145] Oh, wow.

[2146] It's like an AA meeting.

[2147] Mm -hmm.

[2148] Okay.

[2149] And then they have tias, but that's what she meant.

[2150] Isn't the whole point to be anonymous?

[2151] Yeah.

[2152] Anywho.

[2153] Okay, so you had a big adventure.

[2154] I had a big, big adventure.

[2155] Yes.

[2156] And I think this is the place to probably tell everyone the end of it, because I don't want to be misleading.

[2157] So if I could bore everyone with the whole story.

[2158] So we were originally to fly out at 5 p .m. from Boston.

[2159] And we were on Martha's Vineyard.

[2160] So, you know, you got to check out of a house.

[2161] You got a return around car.

[2162] You got to take a ferry.

[2163] Then you've got to take a bus two hours to the airport.

[2164] So, you know, trying to land there.

[2165] on time is a little stressful because there's a lot it's a big journey between the rental house and logan international airport oh let me add for color and context Eric and Kristen are very similar disposition and Molly and I are very similar disposition right Molly and I are both control freaks so we want to be everywhere like an hour and a half early I don't want to chance it because being in traffic and when you're out of time which is exactly what happened because all the tunnels were under construction.

[2166] I shouldn't say all.

[2167] This is stressing me out.

[2168] No, many of the tunnels are under construction.

[2169] So there was even a moment where mid -ride in the bus with all eight of us in it, Eric and Kristen were starting to feel like you guys were stressing about nothing.

[2170] We probably could have taken another ferry, that kind of a sitch.

[2171] But then we got to the tunnels.

[2172] And then we were sitting in traffic for a very long time.

[2173] But what was great is we had left early enough.

[2174] So it's not a big deal.

[2175] So we got to the airport like an hour and a half early, which is perfect.

[2176] We went to Samuel Adams.

[2177] We had some hamburgers.

[2178] and we played spades, life's good.

[2179] Then it got switched the flight to maybe 5 .45.

[2180] Okay, well, that's fine.

[2181] We're having a good time.

[2182] Then it got switched to 6 .30.

[2183] Then I got switched to 7.

[2184] And it's all kind of a little confusing because it's about weather, but the weather's fine there.

[2185] You know, all these things are confusing and announcements involved.

[2186] Then seven.

[2187] Then it gets switched to eight.

[2188] Mind you, I got to add, Larry Treling, who I talk about all the time on this show.

[2189] He directed 39 of 100 Parenthood episodes.

[2190] and he happened to be on a road trip with his wife, his beautiful wife, Jennifer.

[2191] So we had hosted them for a few days in Martha's Vineyard.

[2192] Yes, we talked about that.

[2193] So then I just text them when I was at the airport, like hope you guys, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[2194] He goes, oh, my God, are you on the five o 'clock flat?

[2195] Yes, I am.

[2196] Oh, my God, we're here.

[2197] Wonderful.

[2198] So fun.

[2199] So Larry and Jenner there.

[2200] So, again, no one's really stressing out about these delays other than I have a blood draw at 8 a .m. in L .A., then we're going to interview for arm cherries and then something else.

[2201] So the pretty big fact check, pretty busy day the following days.

[2202] I'm pretty, I want to get home that night.

[2203] And now I think I start texting you and Rob around 8 o 'clock my time.

[2204] Like, this isn't looking great.

[2205] We should have some backup plans, whatever.

[2206] So we're hanging.

[2207] It goes to 8 .50.

[2208] Now we're waiting until 850.

[2209] And then the plane arrives.

[2210] And then great, they're loading the luggage.

[2211] Oh, great.

[2212] We're going to get out.

[2213] And we're going to get home pretty late.

[2214] But it's okay.

[2215] I only have six hours.

[2216] It's all going to work.

[2217] Then the pilot thought he had heard something.

[2218] wrong with the plane.

[2219] Now they got to check a mechanical thing.

[2220] Then the crew times out.

[2221] This all happens around, I don't know, 10 o 'clock at night.

[2222] It's going to be in the morning at 8 .30.

[2223] We start calling, everyone's looking on their phones at every single website, any hotel possible.

[2224] There are no vacancies.

[2225] The crew can't get a room.

[2226] In fact, in the end of this story is the crew had to go sleep in Rhode Island, which delayed everything even further the next day because the pilot has to have 10 hours.

[2227] We don't know this yet.

[2228] We just think it's going to be at 8 .30 in the morning.

[2229] We're not hip yet to what's really going on.

[2230] So it's 11 o 'clock at night or something.

[2231] And I'm like, look, even if we find a place that's an hour away, in the morning with the tunnel shit, it's going to be a two -hour drive there.

[2232] You've got to be an hour early.

[2233] So we've got to leave three hours before 8 a .m. That's 5 a. Oh, my God.

[2234] Plus, we're driving.

[2235] Guys, let's just sleep at the airport.

[2236] Yeah.

[2237] Everyone's pretty into that plan.

[2238] Positive.

[2239] Everyone's positive.

[2240] Go buy a bunch of blankets, buy some head pillows.

[2241] It's insanely expensive to get eight blankets and, pillows and blah, blah, blah, lay down on the floor.

[2242] Some of the kids are asleep.

[2243] Now around me. And no one cares about germs.

[2244] Yes, Kristen cares about germs.

[2245] Molly cares about germs.

[2246] I don't give up shit.

[2247] I want to go to sleep.

[2248] You also do, I feel like, a lot of times, care about germs.

[2249] So I'm kind of surprised.

[2250] I went back to, I've slept at the airport several times in my life.

[2251] I used to do car shows.

[2252] I had no money.

[2253] I wasn't going to be able to get a hotel.

[2254] I've slept in the airport a bunch.

[2255] Carrie and I slept in airports.

[2256] I think me and my buddies in Europe slept in an airport.

[2257] I went back to like, yeah, I've slept in the airport, and it's fine.

[2258] Okay.

[2259] Well, we're next to a bathroom.

[2260] We were sleeping directly across the hall from Starbucks.

[2261] I'm like this great.

[2262] I'll wake up and I'll mose you right over there and get.

[2263] Your hotel was right by a Starbucks.

[2264] It was in a Starbucks virtually.

[2265] We're all situated.

[2266] We've accepted it.

[2267] We're actually in great spirits.

[2268] And we are told at midnight, TSA is coming at 1 a .m. They're going to kick everyone out of here.

[2269] Why?

[2270] I don't get that.

[2271] But mind you, some flights to London were canceled.

[2272] There's a lot of people that are going to have to spend the night.

[2273] And there's no hotel rooms.

[2274] Right.

[2275] So a lot of people are going to be sleeping in there.

[2276] But why would they kick everyone out?

[2277] I don't even want to get into that.

[2278] So irate about that.

[2279] Then it became a whole thing of like, I'm not leaving.

[2280] They're going to have to arrest me. You know me. Like, let's see when they try to kick us out at one.

[2281] Fuck this.

[2282] You know, now everyone's nervous.

[2283] I'm going to get arrested.

[2284] And I'm kind of willing to get arrested.

[2285] Because like, you can't fucking tell us we can't sleep.

[2286] We've already gone through security.

[2287] Five seconds ago, you were like, we need to get home to do work.

[2288] And now you're like willing to ruin.

[2289] Well, here's my point.

[2290] What could be the security threat if we've all already passed through security?

[2291] There's absolutely no reason we can't sleep there.

[2292] The plan was going to be that at 1 a .m., they're going to kick us all out.

[2293] They're going to set up cots next to the baggage carousel, which the general public can enter at that point.

[2294] Right.

[2295] Anyone more dangerous.

[2296] Incredibly dangerous for everyone, you know, much more dangerous.

[2297] Not to mention, there'll be flights coming in at 5 a .m. So we're going to get kicked out at 1.

[2298] We're going to get to Cots.

[2299] We're going to fall asleep.

[2300] And at 5 a .m., that fucking baggage thing's going to start firing up.

[2301] When they're going to kick us out of the counts, they got to clear the cots.

[2302] In the meantime, Larry and Jen had gone to their friend's house in Wesley, Massachusetts, John and Krista.

[2303] They came to us and said, what are you guys going to do?

[2304] I'm like, we're just going to sleep here.

[2305] And they're like, okay, well, that sounds crazy.

[2306] But we asked John, he said you could all come.

[2307] I'm like, there's no way I'm bringing eight people to your friend John's house.

[2308] I, you know, I'm too codependent or whatever the thing is.

[2309] I won't be loved if I'm that big of a drag on people.

[2310] Okay, yeah.

[2311] Right.

[2312] I got to be self -sufficient, provide.

[2313] I can't be as someone.

[2314] whatever.

[2315] That idea I'm not comfortable with, infringing on these strangers.

[2316] Yes.

[2317] Well, come midnight when I know that this is the situation, I text Larry.

[2318] Now it's even worse.

[2319] I should have left with him at 11 or whatever.

[2320] Because now you have to come in the middle of the night.

[2321] Now I've got to come in the middle of the night.

[2322] Also, now everyone's, now we're in a cab line.

[2323] The kids have been awake forever.

[2324] We've been here.

[2325] Are they melting down?

[2326] They're shockingly great.

[2327] I'm so proud of them.

[2328] I'm impressed.

[2329] I think this primitive thing happened where it's like they knew we were fucked.

[2330] Like, we didn't have shelter.

[2331] Something happened where it was like, now's not the time and they could feel it and they behaved accordingly.

[2332] I was.

[2333] Maybe once you said, I'll just get fucking arrested.

[2334] Maybe they were like, I guess we better shut up.

[2335] I didn't say it in front of them.

[2336] That was more in front of the adults.

[2337] But we finally secure a cab.

[2338] We get to John and Chris's house.

[2339] And we are welcomed.

[2340] They have laid out little mats.

[2341] So nice.

[2342] Just the amount of gratitude I felt was just so enormous.

[2343] And I'm thinking, I'm also having this.

[2344] this moment of like, am I a good enough?

[2345] And like, would I be this good of a person?

[2346] Would I invite eight straight now 10 total to my house?

[2347] Kristen would make you.

[2348] She would, but I'm not, I already know she would.

[2349] You're saying just on your own.

[2350] On my own, I'm kind of evaluating like, look how special this generosity is.

[2351] Yeah.

[2352] And I, I hope I'm good enough to do that for other people.

[2353] Maybe not.

[2354] But, but that's okay, because now I would.

[2355] Okay.

[2356] You know, to pay it forward.

[2357] now?

[2358] Yeah, I just like, I can recognize how getting to lay down on the, in somewhere where you're going to get to sleep.

[2359] Yeah.

[2360] So, yeah, us four were in the attic, very ironic.

[2361] And the saving grace ended up being an attic of their house.

[2362] Very sim.

[2363] Very sim.

[2364] Woke up.

[2365] Larry had bought all this breakfast items in the morning from Whole Foods.

[2366] Then we went with them to take John's dogs for a walk in this beautiful park in Wellesley, I met some people walked with them.

[2367] I had like a glorious time walking these dogs.

[2368] We're all in the same outfits we've been in.

[2369] I got to add that.

[2370] Our luggage is on the plane.

[2371] Right.

[2372] I figured that.

[2373] So we don't have anything.

[2374] So yeah, regardless, that was a little bit of an oversight because I sweated through my one outfit on this walk.

[2375] Oh.

[2376] In the woods.

[2377] I'm like, fuck, this is all I got.

[2378] Sure.

[2379] My shirt's soaking wet.

[2380] What's happening with my sweat glands?

[2381] What's happening to me?

[2382] That's been a. That's been a question now for a few months.

[2383] We get to the airport and then the flight ends up getting delayed another two hours.

[2384] Okay.

[2385] But who cares?

[2386] We got out.

[2387] We left it three or something.

[2388] But it was quite an adventure.

[2389] Yeah.

[2390] But everyone stayed really positive.

[2391] We're proud of everyone on the team.

[2392] No one got a shitty attitude about it.

[2393] Very impressed.

[2394] People were a little worried about, you know, they were a little.

[2395] By the time we got to the airport and the security guard told me to take my hat off so he could recognize me from my phone, my, license and I took it off and then I put it back on and he said it wasn't long enough for him to see if that was me. I was a little worn out at that point.

[2396] And armchair I did see me in TSA because they were also taking the snow globe away from Lincoln that we had bought in the airport.

[2397] And a woman said, oh, there's like the TSA armchair.

[2398] And I said, yes, let's hope I don't have candy in children's panties in my luggage.

[2399] So that's fun.

[2400] Yeah, that is fun.

[2401] Are you glad to have me home.

[2402] That's what normally you'd go, I'm glad to have you home.

[2403] I told you welcome home.

[2404] Yeah, welcome home.

[2405] I said, I'm glad you're happy you're back.

[2406] I'm happy to see you tomorrow.

[2407] And then we have an entirely sim moment where you and I arrived to work today.

[2408] I've only worn all white on this show one time in 600 plus episodes.

[2409] Yeah.

[2410] With Downy.

[2411] Oh, that's the only time.

[2412] That's the only time I've ever.

[2413] I've only worn all white five times in my life.

[2414] Oh, my Yeah, I'm goff.

[2415] You and I, and you don't wear all white very often.

[2416] I wear it more than five times one month.

[2417] Sometimes five times one month.

[2418] But it's not every day.

[2419] That's for sure.

[2420] Anyways, we're both head to toe and white, which is hilarious, with black shoes.

[2421] All white but black shoes.

[2422] That was exciting.

[2423] I thought that was thrilling.

[2424] That was a real sim moment.

[2425] It was a big reveal.

[2426] Wow.

[2427] Well, I'm glad you're.

[2428] back.

[2429] Thank you.

[2430] Oh, that felt great.

[2431] I felt obligatory.

[2432] Did it feel genuine?

[2433] No, it's a little obligatory.

[2434] I'd been shamed into saying it, but I'll take it.

[2435] The contradictory feelings, like, where I never wanted to leave Martha's Vineyard.

[2436] I was having all these feelings of, like, I need to live in nature.

[2437] I need to just be around green trees and breathe good air.

[2438] And then also, I missed the attic.

[2439] Yeah, I've had some existential moments this summer.

[2440] You have as well.

[2441] Tell them what are some of them?

[2442] So this past week and a half or whatever, two weeks, I guess.

[2443] Well, really week and a half.

[2444] You four, you, the Shepherds and the Richardson's were at Martha's Vineyard, obviously.

[2445] And the rest of our pod was on another trip.

[2446] In Canada.

[2447] In Canada.

[2448] I was not included in either of these vacations.

[2449] Uh -huh.

[2450] And I'm the, I am the only one who's left behind here.

[2451] And, you know, of course, I'm already sensitive to this.

[2452] Yes, yeah.

[2453] I think I'll go out on a limb and say, I think most people would be sensitive to this particular situation.

[2454] Uh -huh.

[2455] And so, you know, I was kind of sitting with that a little bit as everyone was leaving.

[2456] Uh -huh.

[2457] But for some reason, I think, I don't know, acupuncture or chemistry or something, I was sort of punting that feeling down the road.

[2458] And I was like, all right, whatever.

[2459] And then at the end, like a couple days ago, I had therapy.

[2460] And I was talking to my therapist and I was saying, you know, I think I realize that I have a very intense, tight grip on the friendship circle and the pod and us all being like as we were during COVID and the connections being so tight.

[2461] and impenetrable and celestial and all these things.

[2462] Like, I'm very attached to that, partially because, for me, like, what happened is, like, the worst thing that could happen is that I would be left out of a situation of intimacy amongst everyone.

[2463] I would be excluded and abandoned.

[2464] Yeah.

[2465] Uh -huh.

[2466] At the end of it, I was like, well, that happened.

[2467] and I'm fine.

[2468] And I had an incredible summer.

[2469] Uh -huh.

[2470] And it was so full and so nice and relaxed.

[2471] And you were just with another group of friends?

[2472] I was with friends.

[2473] I was meandering.

[2474] I was, I just felt good.

[2475] Good.

[2476] Good.

[2477] So it was an interesting realization.

[2478] It was a journey.

[2479] It was a journey.

[2480] It was a summer journey.

[2481] And do you feel changed by it?

[2482] I don't know yet.

[2483] Okay.

[2484] I think we'll have to see.

[2485] I mean, not changed in any way that's like, well, I don't need any of these friends anymore.

[2486] Of course, I love everyone and I'm excited to see everyone.

[2487] I was so happy you guys were coming back and I'm excited to hang.

[2488] But I feel a little shift.

[2489] Who knows how long that will last knowing me. But I feel the grip has loosened.

[2490] And I think that's healthy for me. Right.

[2491] You'll be fine on your own.

[2492] Yeah.

[2493] Yeah.

[2494] You're a survivor.

[2495] You land.

[2496] Yeah, I'll be okay.

[2497] Did you feel that way last year when we went to Europe?

[2498] I don't think the two crossed over at the same time.

[2499] Okay.

[2500] It was the double whammy.

[2501] Yeah.

[2502] It was the being left solo.

[2503] Right.

[2504] Right.

[2505] Anyway.

[2506] But.

[2507] Well, you had a blast.

[2508] I guess that thing I'm most excited.

[2509] Well, don't say you had a great summer.

[2510] It's not even close to over.

[2511] Oh, but I mean.

[2512] You had a great two weeks.

[2513] Yeah.

[2514] Okay, great.

[2515] Yeah.

[2516] Yeah.

[2517] I had a great two weeks.

[2518] In this summer, though, ding, ding, ding, ding, Kate Mara, who's this fact check is for, asked if I wanted to hang out.

[2519] She lives in the hood.

[2520] She did.

[2521] One is flattering.

[2522] Very.

[2523] She never asked me if I wanted to hang out.

[2524] Too aggressive towards TSA.

[2525] Exactly.

[2526] She'll like to stay in good standing with the TSA.

[2527] Oh, I am sympathetic to the TSA.

[2528] I really, really, really, really am.

[2529] Like, I was getting really, because again, it was just at the end of a long thing, but the notion that they weren't going to let Lincoln keep this snow globe that she had bought inside the airport because it posed a threat.

[2530] And it had the receipt and the sticker from the airport.

[2531] I was getting very - You mean they wouldn't let her put it in a bag?

[2532] We had left.

[2533] We had left the airport because we had to the night before.

[2534] And then we returned.

[2535] Oh, so you didn't have a bag.

[2536] And it was in the carry -on.

[2537] We didn't have bags.

[2538] We can't check anything.

[2539] Well, why can it go in the carry -on?

[2540] Well, that's the thing they were trying to say because there was some fluid in the, and I'm like, yeah, but you guys sell this right there.

[2541] I'm like pointing at the place.

[2542] Here's the receipt.

[2543] Look at the bottom.

[2544] There's the sticker.

[2545] It cannot be a threat if you can buy it inside there.

[2546] Like, let's all.

[2547] And, you know, I had to go through a whole thing.

[2548] I had to, you know, because when I get that way, it's uncomfortable for my family.

[2549] I really don't like that I'm that way.

[2550] And so I had to have a powwow with Lincoln afterwards, which was, this isn't an excuse it's just this is my explanation i had a stepdad that if you had one hand on the table everything was good if you brought a second hand up to the table he grabbed you by the back of the neck drug you and threw you on your knees and threw your plate in front of you and said if you're going to act like a fucking dog you're going to eat like a fucking dog that rule makes no sense why i have to have one hand down that is so arbitrary and it's just power and it's authority and it's fucking and i hate it It's not authority.

[2551] He's told you with that.

[2552] He was the authority in my life.

[2553] He had power over whether I ate at the table or next to the door.

[2554] And I had a couple of those guys who came in and their fucking rules.

[2555] They were arbitrary and they were bullshit.

[2556] It's really, I got to be clear, I'm not triggered by like you can't speed.

[2557] I get it.

[2558] That's the law.

[2559] It's dangerous to speed.

[2560] When I get caught speeding, I know I've done something wrong and I agree with the whole thing.

[2561] When you tell me I can't bring this thing back into the airport that I bought.

[2562] inside the airport, that is horseshit.

[2563] And it just brings me back to like, no, no, no, no, no. I just, the arbitrariness and the authority over me that I have to do something that makes no sense.

[2564] It really sends me into hyperdrive.

[2565] Yeah.

[2566] And it's not fair to my family that's the case.

[2567] That's how I'm now wired.

[2568] Maybe some magical CBT therapy would alleviate that.

[2569] I don't know if it ever will.

[2570] Someone tells me that I have to stand on one foot for no reason and they're an authority.

[2571] I'm probably always going to get in that arousal state.

[2572] Yeah, but the thing is, you are wired that way and it makes total sense.

[2573] Anyone would understand that.

[2574] But you also know what it feels like to be in an environment where the temperature can change in a room by someone's mood and you have no control over it.

[2575] That's the thing.

[2576] Why I'm motivated to not do it and to own it when I do it and then to talk it through is like, yes, it's so stressful.

[2577] that was my dad.

[2578] My dad, too.

[2579] It was molested and all these things.

[2580] He, too, was never going to be forced to do something we didn't want to do.

[2581] And it was rough.

[2582] Yeah, it was exhausting to be around him.

[2583] I mean, he's much different than you.

[2584] He can love you and be super kind to you and you can be his everything, but it doesn't really, it's still scary.

[2585] It doesn't mitigate the stress.

[2586] Yes, exactly.

[2587] Because the one thing that's different is like, I don't think my kids are scared of me. Right.

[2588] I was scared of my dad because he fought my brother and tried to fight me. There was some physical threat there.

[2589] Yeah.

[2590] My kids aren't scared to me. It's just their little human creatures that take on my emotions and the stress that I'm putting out.

[2591] And it's not fair.

[2592] And you don't want them to ever be in a position to feel like they have to fix situations around themselves so that you aren't triggered.

[2593] Or even like having the anxiety approaching the situation, they know that is likely to make me feel that way.

[2594] Yes.

[2595] Or where I will feel that way.

[2596] No one's making me feel anyway.

[2597] but um you i know you will do anything for them so i feel like you can overcome that well i have corrected my my my car behavior i recognize oh this isn't you know i had lied to myself or told myself because i'm not like my dad and i'm not actually there's no threat to them that it shouldn't affect them but of course then i recognize no it affects them blah blah yeah now i'm super sympathetic to the tsa like i even force myself i go like i can't imagine if my job was to have to tell fucking 7 ,000 people a day like, yeah, you can't bring a fucking water through this machine.

[2598] How many times do we have to shout it?

[2599] Because if you just watch the machine, every third bag is getting pulled out because someone left my family.

[2600] They had water bottles the first trip through.

[2601] I can understand where they're like, why can't you got, we say it when you walk up.

[2602] It's on a sign.

[2603] It's totally common knowledge.

[2604] And yet 30 % of you can't figure this out.

[2605] I can imagine the frustration.

[2606] There's no prestige behind you.

[2607] There's no status.

[2608] There's no money.

[2609] I'm very sympathetic.

[2610] It's just a match made in hell because it's that plus me. Ugh.

[2611] You know.

[2612] Yeah.

[2613] I had some detours.

[2614] Do you want to try your toy out?

[2615] Oh, we got a toy.

[2616] Oh, my gosh.

[2617] Okay, so yes, there's a newfangled piece of technology next to the floral print, lazy boy.

[2618] It's plugged in.

[2619] So you're not going to be able to be able to.

[2620] pull it too much.

[2621] I got a longer cable coming.

[2622] Okay.

[2623] What does it do?

[2624] Can I play the drums on it?

[2625] Press a button.

[2626] I call bullshit, let me see.

[2627] Oh, my.

[2628] How do I get that louder in my head?

[2629] It's pressure sensitive, so...

[2630] I call bullshit, let me see.

[2631] Oh, my.

[2632] That's disgusting.

[2633] Let me have that.

[2634] Are they all, Frito?

[2635] No, no. No, no. Oh, no. Oh, my God.

[2636] We could split up your duties.

[2637] Wait, what's I?

[2638] We could split up your duties.

[2639] We could split up your duties.

[2640] What's that from?

[2641] I don't know.

[2642] Divide your duties, I guess.

[2643] You know, for all the armchair experts out there.

[2644] Okay, I got to memorize where that one is.

[2645] You know, for all the armchair experts out there.

[2646] Oh, we're listening, Brad.

[2647] What is it?

[2648] What do you want to tell us?

[2649] Just want to get in your pants.

[2650] Just want to get in your pants.

[2651] Wouldn't you mind if I helped you?

[2652] Oh, he's so nice.

[2653] We can label them and make it easier, but...

[2654] This is so fun.

[2655] Oh, my God.

[2656] Good job, Rob.

[2657] Good job, Rob.

[2658] Can we ever change...

[2659] Yeah, we can, like, make...

[2660] Like, that turns into a drum pad also.

[2661] Give him your pants.

[2662] Oh, why'd you do that?

[2663] Holy cow, Rob.

[2664] Oh, man, I love it.

[2665] free to use those unsinked.

[2666] Okay.

[2667] I know you guys talk about the patriarchy a lot.

[2668] It might be nice to have an example of someone who's very vile.

[2669] That's true.

[2670] Yes, if ever you need someone.

[2671] That's true.

[2672] Okay, anyway, Kate.

[2673] So she was lovely.

[2674] We went to all time.

[2675] Oh, you already had a day.

[2676] Yeah.

[2677] Oh, my goodness.

[2678] Yeah, we hung out.

[2679] Oh, fun.

[2680] And it was really fun.

[2681] She's so cool, obviously.

[2682] Everyone knows that after listening to this.

[2683] Very chill.

[2684] That's what I would say about her.

[2685] She's real chill.

[2686] But she's just, like, easy to talk to, very easy to get along with.

[2687] I really enjoyed interviewing her.

[2688] Yeah.

[2689] So, okay, a couple things.

[2690] I have a huge update.

[2691] Oh, you do?

[2692] Yes.

[2693] Oh, boy.

[2694] If anyone listened to the e -banks, episode slash fact check, but really episode, we talk about how I had LaBerti, a beanie baby, that is worth $75 ,000.

[2695] Yes.

[2696] We didn't know if my mom.

[2697] threw it out, if she still had it.

[2698] I asked her to look.

[2699] Yeah.

[2700] We have it.

[2701] You have it.

[2702] But it's all stained.

[2703] And it's covered in stains.

[2704] But hold on.

[2705] You may recall that Steve Wynn, the hotelier, who owns the Wayne Casino and all that.

[2706] Yeah.

[2707] He has the most epic art collection.

[2708] He was selling, I want to say it was an enormous Picasso.

[2709] Whatever, it was a $200 million painting.

[2710] He put his elbow through it.

[2711] Because, you know, he has very, very diminished sight.

[2712] He put his elbow through the painting after it had been sold.

[2713] It hadn't delivered yet.

[2714] Oh, my God.

[2715] But here's the most miraculous thing.

[2716] And I'm probably going to get these people who correct me on these numbers, but they're vaguely this.

[2717] It was like he had sold it for $200 million, puts his elbow through it, sales off.

[2718] He gets an insurance check for the value of the painting.

[2719] He then has it restored.

[2720] That takes a long time.

[2721] And it costs a fortune.

[2722] But in the time since it was restored, it had appreciated it.

[2723] He ended up selling it for, I want to say, like, four.

[2724] 400 million, and he had gotten the thing.

[2725] So it turned out to be a stroke of genius.

[2726] But anyways, what I'm saying is if they can restore a fucking Picasso or Rembrandt or wherever this thing was, it might be worth you investing two or three thousand into refurbishing and getting this thing in peak selling condition.

[2727] How's the tag?

[2728] This is the other big problem.

[2729] This thing's starting to sound valueless.

[2730] Okay.

[2731] The tag is gone.

[2732] Yeah.

[2733] The tag has gone.

[2734] I didn't.

[2735] My mom didn't do it right.

[2736] You can probably make a new tag.

[2737] Well, now it's a forgery.

[2738] But listen, no, the reason you know it's not a forgery is because it doesn't have the heart tag on the head, which is why that sucks, right?

[2739] But those things are so...

[2740] You're supposed to leave the tag on the head the whole thing?

[2741] Yeah, that's like the whole point.

[2742] They have little protectors for them.

[2743] But the reason they have to have protectors is because it's so fragile.

[2744] It's hanging by...

[2745] A little piece of plastic.

[2746] Yes.

[2747] Like you put a price tag.

[2748] Like any of your tags are on.

[2749] Standard tag.

[2750] To expect this thing to last my whole lifetime, I mean, it's ridiculous.

[2751] It's ridiculous.

[2752] Anyway, that's gone.

[2753] But they also have actual tags on their butt, like any stuff he would.

[2754] Right.

[2755] And so it has that tag.

[2756] I thought you were saying that was removed.

[2757] No, no. That's there.

[2758] And it says its name.

[2759] We'll give you $35 for it then.

[2760] $35 ,000?

[2761] $35 ,000?

[2762] No, it's $35 ,000.

[2763] No. And I thought in the Steve Wynn thing, I thought you were going to say actually ended up being worth more because it had the hole.

[2764] No, no. It was going to.

[2765] And I thought that would be cool for this.

[2766] It was just the whole heart world had taken off by then.

[2767] But do you think maybe like the stain adds something cool to it?

[2768] I mean, now we're getting very particular because you are a person of note.

[2769] So I guess it's your stain.

[2770] Like if Paul Newman's blood or throw up was on this thing, it'd probably be worth more.

[2771] What if it was in the bed that I threw up the hot?

[2772] Hot dog.

[2773] There you go.

[2774] Or like I brought Laberti with me to the sleepover and...

[2775] Yeah.

[2776] It's not that.

[2777] It's not bad.

[2778] It's just a general dirt and grind.

[2779] Yeah, it looks bad.

[2780] It can't be clean.

[2781] Oh, it looks really bad.

[2782] What kind of stains are on it?

[2783] I'll show you what it looks.

[2784] Okay, send me some photos.

[2785] I'll bring it to the dry cleaner.

[2786] I know, but then does that, what if that depreciates?

[2787] Well, it's not any more than the stains do.

[2788] We don't know.

[2789] We don't know.

[2790] Oh, God.

[2791] It looks so bad.

[2792] I can't wait to see this piece of shit.

[2793] Let's see this clunker of a collectible.

[2794] Oh, my God.

[2795] I'm sending it to you, too.

[2796] I mean, you know what's so annoying?

[2797] It still has the piece of plastic that the tag was on.

[2798] Oh, interesting.

[2799] So just a paper.

[2800] Yeah, well, because it's dinky paper.

[2801] Yeah, and we're talking 30, 20 years.

[2802] What are we talking?

[2803] Oh, probably, probably 30.

[2804] I sent it.

[2805] You didn't get it?

[2806] Tell your phone.

[2807] Okay.

[2808] I'm looking at it.

[2809] I'm examining it really close.

[2810] Yours is trying to go through.

[2811] I mean, you're not going to like it all.

[2812] It looks like you wiped your butt on it.

[2813] It looks like, yes, it looks like poop stains.

[2814] They're brown.

[2815] Okay, what stains aren't brown?

[2816] Every stain is brown in this life.

[2817] Also, he looks like he got shot in the face with whatever stain this is.

[2818] It's spattered all over his fucking mouth and his cheeks.

[2819] I feel like this is so disgusting.

[2820] I feel like this should be able to be clean.

[2821] Oh, really?

[2822] Yeah.

[2823] Yes, yes, yes.

[2824] Some light.

[2825] I thought it was like dark blue and then it like had bleach stains.

[2826] No, it's just white with shit stains.

[2827] This seems washable.

[2828] It's not shit stained.

[2829] While the piece of plastic is red, I was expecting to be see -through.

[2830] No red.

[2831] Now that I look at how covered in poop it is, I'm going to.

[2832] If it's covered in my poop, you better, you better raise the price.

[2833] That's true.

[2834] That's true.

[2835] My child's like poop.

[2836] This is great.

[2837] What a story this is.

[2838] I hope it has many more.

[2839] chapters because clearly you're going to get it cleaned, right?

[2840] And then where do you even fucking sell something like this?

[2841] You go to a website?

[2842] Can we sell it on armchair extra pod .com?

[2843] No, I don't want some poor armchair who loves you and wants you to have.

[2844] This is like this your, this is the apex of your tequila.

[2845] Someone's going to pay 35 grand for this.

[2846] 35, no, 75.

[2847] You can't in good conscience charge 75.

[2848] It doesn't have the tag and it's covered and fecal matter.

[2849] But I used to, like, care about it.

[2850] Yeah.

[2851] That's sweet.

[2852] We had a kind of funny joke on F1 this week, which was in qualifying at the last race, Max and Lewis, Lewis got pole position.

[2853] And he got pole position by 0 .003, 3 .1 ,000th of a second, which they broke down into how the distance that would be.

[2854] and basically if they had started at the exact same time, Lewis finished 25 centimeters ahead.

[2855] Oh my God.

[2856] So then we decided you could start saying how long your penis is in thousands of seconds.

[2857] Oh, wow.

[2858] Like this guy's hung like a horse.

[2859] He's 4 ,000th of a second.

[2860] Wow.

[2861] Yeah, that's pretty cool.

[2862] It's kind of cool code.

[2863] I thought you might like that.

[2864] It's really good.

[2865] Okay.

[2866] So I have to fact check myself.

[2867] Okay.

[2868] I said that the Tanya Harding, Nancy Kerrigan thing was in 1992.

[2869] It was in 94.

[2870] Okay, two years.

[2871] Did you say it with ultimate conviction?

[2872] Yeah.

[2873] You did.

[2874] Like, no more debate about this.

[2875] That's the number.

[2876] I mean, we weren't debating, to be fair.

[2877] I wasn't like, I know you're wrong.

[2878] I just said it and everyone believed me. Yeah.

[2879] As I'm now believing you when you say it's 94.

[2880] Well, I checked it.

[2881] I have some integrity.

[2882] I hope next week you tell me it's 96.

[2883] Let me double check.

[2884] No, don't double check.

[2885] You definitely have it.

[2886] If you looked it up, you have it.

[2887] I'm just being funny.

[2888] Okay.

[2889] Now, Jack and Bobby, my favorite show of all time that Kate was on, was in 2004, 10 years after Nancy Kerrigan.

[2890] Everyone's all healed up.

[2891] Her and Galooly were separated by then.

[2892] Oh, yeah.

[2893] Calooly.

[2894] What a name.

[2895] Galilee had 0 .4 ,000.

[2896] He did.

[2897] I saw the porn.

[2898] Oh, you saw?

[2899] Okay.

[2900] I looked up the name for chimp children.

[2901] Okay.

[2902] And it's, there isn't.

[2903] It's babies.

[2904] Yeah, infant chimp.

[2905] Chimpanzees or baby chimpanzees.

[2906] Yeah, yeah.

[2907] They just use regular human words.

[2908] Well, because they're 97 % us.

[2909] They're so clearly little babies, too.

[2910] Yeah.

[2911] She told that sweet story about them.

[2912] Babies.

[2913] Little baby chimps.

[2914] Okay.

[2915] Leonard DiCaprio, you said wrote backwards and upside down and something else.

[2916] Not Leonardo DeCaprio.

[2917] I don't think he's making any effort to stay encoded.

[2918] Leonardo da Vinci.

[2919] And not the mutant ninja turtle.

[2920] What if I was like, I really can't find anything about Leonardo DiCaprio writing backwards?

[2921] You know who owns his journal?

[2922] I already probably said that in the episode.

[2923] Yeah, Bill Gates.

[2924] He told us that.

[2925] If you listen to this show, you know it.

[2926] I don't listen.

[2927] I'm inside of it.

[2928] No, but Leonardo da Vinci, he did mirror writing.

[2929] So he started at the right side of the page and moved to the left.

[2930] And he invented that.

[2931] and he wrote in his own shorthand.

[2932] But I don't see that he wrote, like, backwards.

[2933] I mean, it is kind of, it is writing backwards.

[2934] But I thought you meant up, I thought you meant he turned the page around.

[2935] You know he has a device he had to look through.

[2936] Right.

[2937] Yeah.

[2938] But I don't think he turned the page around.

[2939] All of this is saying he wrote left -handed moving right to left.

[2940] Oh, that's my dream.

[2941] Yeah.

[2942] Well, no, he's ambidextrous.

[2943] Oh.

[2944] I remember we had a big fight about ambidextrous.

[2945] Yeah, yeah.

[2946] I doubt there's a topic we haven't had a big dust up.

[2947] That's true.

[2948] Okay, she said the second episode of House of Cards she thought was directed by James Foley.

[2949] Yes, he directed episode three, and so I'm assuming they shot in order.

[2950] So he did direct episode three.

[2951] Episode one and two were Finch.

[2952] During the episode that we recorded, I had watched half of her black mirror.

[2953] Oh, right.

[2954] And I finished that night.

[2955] Uh -huh.

[2956] Ah, your guess wasn't right.

[2957] I know.

[2958] Yeah.

[2959] But I'm afraid to, I'm still afraid to say anything.

[2960] You think so?

[2961] Yeah.

[2962] Well, let's just say, if you haven't watched that mirror, stop listening.

[2963] Liz said 72 hours.

[2964] I know, but I don't, I'm not going by Mrs. St. No, that's extreme.

[2965] Yeah.

[2966] I'm sometimes like five days behind Righteous Jemzone.

[2967] That's my favorite show.

[2968] I said, I said we need two weeks, but this has been two weeks since the show's been out of two months.

[2969] Yeah, and also we're saying, like, we're about to give away the ending of the episode, so don't listen.

[2970] Okay.

[2971] Don't listen.

[2972] to do.

[2973] That's right.

[2974] Turn it off right now.

[2975] And go to bed.

[2976] It's too late for you to be up.

[2977] Get your Beanie baby out.

[2978] Shout out for the shit stains.

[2979] Just you try to.

[2980] Or embrace the shit stains, the messiness of being human.

[2981] Anyway, what an episode.

[2982] Oh, my God.

[2983] Dork.

[2984] It's so dark.

[2985] It gets so dark.

[2986] I also feel like, of course, that is what would happen.

[2987] I know.

[2988] In a way, I would.

[2989] was mad, I didn't guess it.

[2990] I did think she was going to fall in love with the other version of him, just so you know.

[2991] I, too, thought.

[2992] You thought what I thought.

[2993] I thought when the other guy visited in his body and he was kind and loving that she would fall for him.

[2994] Well, I thought that and that he would stay, like she would prefer him to stay.

[2995] Right.

[2996] And that they would have their own life with the new.

[2997] I thought he'd come back on the ship and kill the other guy, but I guess you need, I don't know how it works.

[2998] Yeah, they need him.

[2999] But he should have come back and killed the other guy and then got into the thing.

[3000] That's what I kind of thought was going to happen.

[3001] Oh, and then trick her?

[3002] Yes.

[3003] I thought he was going to trick her.

[3004] I thought they were going to have a scene where you thought it was him, and then they were going to cut to him coming out and it was the other guy.

[3005] Oh, that would be.

[3006] That's good.

[3007] That was another option for that.

[3008] There were lots of bad options on the table, horrific, traumatic options on the table.

[3009] And they chose the most.

[3010] Yes, yes.

[3011] And I guess we won't say what it is.

[3012] Yeah, well, yeah, even though everyone's stuff.

[3013] listening that was afraid come back come back we fucked up oh my god okay is that the only episode of the season you guys watched no i watched the first episode did you watch joan is terrible did you watch the second episode what one is that uh lock henry where they're making a documentary in that scottish town no that one's my favorite i think oh wow i can't wait to watch that then joan was great yeah joan was really good that first episode of black mirror great trick Yeah.

[3014] So I think that's it.

[3015] Oh, no, no, no. We're supposed to real -time fact -check something.

[3016] Oh, okay, crap.

[3017] All right, let me see if Aaron's available.

[3018] Shirt off.

[3019] Aaron.

[3020] Of course, shirt -off.

[3021] Michigan Summer, baby.

[3022] Hi, you're on air.

[3023] What's up?

[3024] You're on the program.

[3025] Oh, am I on the air?

[3026] You're on the radio.

[3027] Oh, on the radio.

[3028] I'm the FM.

[3029] Riff rocking radio.

[3030] Dude, it's like 87 riff, rock, and roll over degrees in the Motor City.

[3031] Oh, gosh.

[3032] So Monica wants to fact check something I claimed.

[3033] Yeah.

[3034] And it's going to be tricky because I didn't know she was going to want to do this until just now.

[3035] And I did have to tell her that some of this data, you and I weren't going to the same school.

[3036] I think it's fine anyways.

[3037] And the reason I'm doing this is because you said, ask Aaron.

[3038] Ask Aaron on the fact check.

[3039] Well, great.

[3040] Ask them.

[3041] So I haven't tipped him into anything.

[3042] Go ahead and ask him.

[3043] Okay.

[3044] Aaron, what would you say happens when redheads get beat up or getting fights?

[3045] When redheads get into fight?

[3046] Well, I know what happened.

[3047] They cry.

[3048] Oh, good.

[3049] Then they turn on a fucking freak gear, right, and get insane.

[3050] Wow.

[3051] Yeah, I've seen it so many times.

[3052] What?

[3053] Yeah, I honestly, Monica, I've seen that five times growing up.

[3054] I never saw a redhead fight where he didn't cry.

[3055] Me neither.

[3056] Oh, my God, I can think of at least the half of it.

[3057] Well, on three, let's talk about, on three, we'll say the toughest guy who always cried.

[3058] Three, two, one, Billy Sutton, yeah.

[3059] Wow.

[3060] I'm shook.

[3061] I really did not.

[3062] think this was going to work out the way it did, and I'm impressed and happy.

[3063] I'm so glad you said cry.

[3064] I even forgot.

[3065] I didn't forgot that's what I had said in the episode.

[3066] I saw, just real quick, I can't remember the kid's name, but this particular redhead, and he was, well, you know what?

[3067] He was damn near like Billy Sutton, but he was a big, big muscular redhead.

[3068] I mean, fire red hair and built.

[3069] Ooh, scared already.

[3070] Just hearing about him.

[3071] Yeah, he went to the alternative high school and he long story short, he put a teacher's head through a window.

[3072] There was a door a door with glass on the top and the teacher's head went through it and he was fucking bawling Oh, my.

[3073] I'll never forget what he looked like.

[3074] He was fucking just crying and had handcuffs.

[3075] And the toughest guy in town.

[3076] This is the weirdest thing I've ever heard.

[3077] Oh, my God.

[3078] You know what's weirder is I felt so, like, bad for her.

[3079] Like, I'm like, you can tell this.

[3080] So many emotions.

[3081] So much going on.

[3082] Yeah.

[3083] Too much to handle.

[3084] Well, they are sensitive, hypersensitive to like pain medication.

[3085] Yeah, anesthesia.

[3086] So it all sort of.

[3087] And all kind of slashes out.

[3088] I'm sure we'll hear some from some redheads.

[3089] I totally disagree.

[3090] Oh, I can't wait.

[3091] Whatever they say, Aaron will agree with.

[3092] Yeah, you're not tough.

[3093] Okay, you're right.

[3094] Yeah.

[3095] Either that or I'm moving.

[3096] Well, thank you, bro.

[3097] brother.

[3098] You really, you made a not liar out of me, whatever that means.

[3099] You made a truth out of me. Made a truth right out of you.

[3100] Cool.

[3101] Great.

[3102] Love you.

[3103] Love you.

[3104] You look gorgeous with your top off.

[3105] Oh, thank you.

[3106] Thank you.

[3107] Bye.

[3108] Bye.

[3109] Oh, my God.

[3110] What a moment.

[3111] I didn't even know that's what we were trying to find out.

[3112] Yeah, that was great.

[3113] I guess we can only say that that's how it was in Milford Highland where I grew up.

[3114] I mean, I will give it to you.

[3115] That was surprising.

[3116] No, No one gave him a heads up.

[3117] Okay.

[3118] I have one more thing to say.

[3119] Okay.

[3120] It's really important.

[3121] I learned how to play poker over the summer.

[3122] You told me that, but you didn't tell me under what circumstances.

[3123] Anna, Jess, Julia, and I were at.

[3124] Kara?

[3125] No. We were at a place called Foreman's.

[3126] What's that?

[3127] It's in the valley.

[3128] It's really cute.

[3129] It's outdoor, but enclosed with fans, so it's nice.

[3130] but a good, like, summery outdoor place.

[3131] And I had cards.

[3132] And so at first I was like, oh, we should play spades.

[3133] Yeah.

[3134] And then in the packet of cards, there was like the list of the order for poker.

[3135] Yeah.

[3136] Royal.

[3137] Yeah.

[3138] And I was like, oh, this is for poker.

[3139] I've always wanted to learn poker.

[3140] And Jeff was like, I can teach you.

[3141] And so he taught us and then we've been playing.

[3142] And I love it.

[3143] Oh, it's the greatest game.

[3144] Yeah.

[3145] And we just started playing for money.

[3146] Oh, you did.

[3147] There's a buy -in.

[3148] You won.

[3149] Good job.

[3150] I told you, I used to play it like two, three nights a week for years until I met Kristen.

[3151] I know.

[3152] I want to keep playing.

[3153] I want to get good.

[3154] I would like to return to playing.

[3155] Well, let's play.

[3156] House games are so fun.

[3157] Well, I'm still learning.

[3158] Okay.

[3159] And I'm learning the jargon.

[3160] And I want to learn more jargon.

[3161] The river, the turn.

[3162] Yeah.

[3163] Yeah.

[3164] Is that all ring a bell?

[3165] It's ringing a bell.

[3166] Uh -huh.

[3167] Really fun.

[3168] I'm glad you're playing.

[3169] I could turn into a gambling addict.

[3170] I'd love to see that.

[3171] I sure hope so.

[3172] All right, that's it.

[3173] All right, love you.

[3174] Love you back.

[3175] Me too.

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