281 - MFM Guest Host Picks #4: Brandie Posey

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Hey, everybody.

[2] This is Brandy Posy from the Lady to Lady podcast, a new member of the Exactly Right Media Podcast Network.

[3] Longtime, first time on the old My Favorite Murder Feed.

[4] I'm this week's guest host.

[5] I'm super honored to be doing this.

[6] I have been a friend and fan of Karen and Georgia for forever.

[7] You know, I remember seeing Karen back on like Mr. Show and everything back in the day and like getting to call her a colleague and friend and comedy big sister is something that I do not take for granted and I love every day.

[8] And yeah, this week I'm going to share with you the two stories from the Live from Chicago podcast festival, episode 44, if you're into numbers back in the day.

[9] I was actually at this show because Lady to Lady was on this festival in a much smaller venue, but we were there.

[10] And I actually like shot a video of Karen and Georgia was hanging out with them backstage of them walking on stage for the first time because I was like, oh, this will be super cute for them to have them just walking on stage of the first live show.

[11] And then when the theme song started and they got this like Rolling Stone style response from the crowd, I just remember my arms completely being covered with goosebumps.

[12] And I was like, oh, this is about to be a thing.

[13] And no big deal, but I was right.

[14] And yeah, I'm so proud of them.

[15] Not that they need me to be proud of them, but like, I am.

[16] And they're just, they're so awesome.

[17] And I love this episode because this is like the very beginning.

[18] And you can hear the surprise in their voice of just like, whoa, I didn't realize this was going to be a thing.

[19] So I may kick into the theme song that you guys know and love so well.

[20] Okay, guys, up first we got Georgia Hardstock.

[21] Herst's first story live in front of an audience ever was the Fort Worth missing trio.

[22] And I'm so impressed by the fact that Georgia doesn't come from a huge live performing background.

[23] And she crushes this out of the gate.

[24] It's so cool just to hear her just settle into just being a performer that's, as somebody that has been purporting for over a decade, I'm just like, man, she just nailed it out of the gate.

[25] So enjoy George's story.

[26] Should we talk about murders?

[27] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[28] You guys like, it's pretty, who's a murdering now, like, for real?

[29] That's called pandering.

[30] Now we're pandering.

[31] I don't think it's our thing, though.

[32] I'm sitting on it with my butt.

[33] Oh, are you going to go first?

[34] I think I'm first this time.

[35] Awesome.

[36] I'm going to put my hands in my pockets and put my microphone over here.

[37] Would you mind putting your hands in your pocket?

[38] Karen, as I tell you, I swore I was going to belch and it's about to happen.

[39] She's going to do some Robert Ders belches for us.

[40] Oh, that was a good one.

[41] Did you?

[42] Was that really?

[43] Yeah, that was me. That sounded like a fucking horse.

[44] I swear to God.

[45] I thought you were like doing a joke burp sound.

[46] I'm a lady.

[47] That was unbelievable.

[48] I had a soda pop.

[49] If they want to pay us, I'll say which one it is.

[50] Shit, girl.

[51] Otherwise, we don't do branding.

[52] Otherwise, Dr. Pepper.

[53] Okay.

[54] Ready?

[55] Yes.

[56] Are you ready?

[57] Now that's too much pressure.

[58] All right.

[59] Okay, so December 23rd, super near Christmas, in 1974.

[60] A great year for collars and cords.

[61] There you go.

[62] Bring us back, Karen, to a time.

[63] 1974, where the air was filled with lead pollution and...

[64] So, okay, so three ladies.

[65] Renee Wilson, she's 14, Rachel Trilika, who's 17, and Julie Ann Mosley, who's nine, go on a shopping trip for Christmas presents.

[66] Can't be good.

[67] Nope.

[68] No, they were fine.

[69] Let's talk about Tad Bundy.

[70] Anyway, Vlad the Impaler.

[71] So these three girls, they go to a upscale mall, the Seminary South Shopping Center.

[72] This girl knows it.

[73] I hear someone fucking whispering.

[74] In Fort Worth, Texas.

[75] Oh.

[76] Oh.

[77] Have you been?

[78] I just thought I should make a noise like that.

[79] Okay, they're supposed to be home 5 .4 p .m. Guess what, Karen?

[80] Didn't show up.

[81] They didn't show up.

[82] They didn't show up.

[83] So Renee and Rachel, the older girls were old friends.

[84] Renee asked Rachel to come with her shopping.

[85] And then Renee's boyfriend was going to come, but he went to a friend's house.

[86] So his little sister, Julie, begs to come.

[87] So they bring her boyfriend's little sister along.

[88] so it's the three of them.

[89] They get to the mall, Rachel parks her car, at the top of the fucking car park, Osmobile, and they go shopping.

[90] People see them because, and this needs to be our new shirt, she's wearing a shirt that says, sweet honesty.

[91] What?

[92] That's 1974 for you.

[93] What the fuck?

[94] What stoner put that thing together?

[95] Sweet honesty.

[96] And you know it was like crazy cursive with the Y on the honesty did like three loop to lose?

[97] litter, like all around it?

[98] Just on the tits.

[99] Yeah.

[100] No bra.

[101] No bra.

[102] No bra.

[103] Didn't have to.

[104] 70s.

[105] Like, that's a thing.

[106] Yeah.

[107] For sure.

[108] They were real low.

[109] So a ton of people see them at the mall people, because people see her shirt, whatever the fuck.

[110] And then that evening, families get worried, as they do.

[111] They go out looking for the girl, and they find her car where she parked it on the roof of the small area and in the car the car is locked and inside are the presence so at some point they went to the car put the presents in there lock the car and then what right yes i don't know you have to tell me so they're freaking out the next day a letter comes in the mail and it goes to rachel's husband's house now rachel who was 17 and married what what yeah wait is that sweet honesty?

[112] That's the other one even.

[113] A 14 -year -old is wearing a sweet honesty shirt.

[114] Don't let your babies grow up to be sweet honestys.

[115] For real.

[116] She's married to this dude.

[117] This dude, her husband, was dating her older sister beforehand.

[118] Look, it happens.

[119] Yes.

[120] Guilty.

[121] They break up her little sister and her boyfriend get married, and then the sister's living with them at the time.

[122] What?

[123] No. Like, we all know where this is, like, we know.

[124] Wait, are you just talking out an episode of Game of Thrones and saying it happened in Fort Worth?

[125] Never seen it.

[126] No, this is Dallas.

[127] I'm talking to Dallas.

[128] Yeah, right?

[129] Okay, but no. Letter comes in the mail.

[130] Why is he checking his fucking mail the day after his wife gets fucking kidnapped.

[131] You think he should have avoided that mailbox?

[132] I mean, why are you checking it?

[133] He loves mail.

[134] It's the only thing that made him feel better.

[135] Fucking catalogs and postcards.

[136] Fair enough.

[137] Well, he goes to his mailbox and he finds a letter from her, supposedly, from Rachel, says, I know I'm going to catch it, which is like the cutest phrase I've ever heard in my life.

[138] Like, catch some shit?

[139] I know, I'm going to catch it.

[140] I know I'm going to catch it.

[141] I know I'm going to catch it.

[142] But we just had to get away.

[143] We're going to Houston, see you in about a week.

[144] The Cars and Sears Upper Lot love Rachel.

[145] Right, I know.

[146] So, like, he gets that letter.

[147] Her name is kind of misspelled.

[148] His name is...

[149] Seriously.

[150] Da, that, that.

[151] Her first name is misspelled.

[152] Yeah, a little bit misspelled.

[153] No, look, I've done that so many times.

[154] where it's like, K -A -S, what is it?

[155] I want to make fun of that, but recently my manager emailed me was like, hey, your name's spelled wrong and you're real.

[156] And I was like, what are you talking about?

[157] I looked at it, and it said, G -E -O -R -I -G -A.

[158] Oh.

[159] I fucking spelled my own goddamn name wrong.

[160] That was like, Georgia.

[161] Georgia.

[162] It's like, it's been like three years and I didn't notice it.

[163] So fair enough.

[164] Once you change it, you're going to get so many jobs.

[165] people have been like I want to hire her for the million dollar thing right I can't find her her name spelled wrong yeah there goes a million dollars so it does happen this isn't crazy it happens let's be fair uh okay so her husband was married to the the family thinks that the letter they're like that's not her handwriting and she spelled her fucking name wrong and in addition to back that up So, uh, they, so the stamp had been stamped, you know, like cleared at the thing.

[166] At the post office.

[167] Thank you.

[168] Uh, that morning.

[169] So someone sent that thing the night before or on the 24th of when it shut up, which I'm like, if you're just, if you just kidnap three people randomly, you're not going to bother to let the family know.

[170] You kidnap and you get straight to that correspondence.

[171] Yeah.

[172] Like that's to, that's to throw people off.

[173] Yeah.

[174] That's not like a serial killer who's like grabbing three people and doesn't give a shit, right?

[175] No, that's like an anal retent of serial killer.

[176] That's like a leave us alone for a minute, right?

[177] Serial killer.

[178] You mean can I have some privacy while I write my letters?

[179] Well, like.

[180] To sit at my secretary's desk and just write out with a feather pen.

[181] Like right after I kidnap them though.

[182] You know what I mean?

[183] It's weird.

[184] I get it.

[185] All right.

[186] So, um, so, um, so, um, so, people saw them that day because clearly she had a sweet honesty shirt on and like, how are you going to miss that one?

[187] A woman tells a store clerk that she saw some men hustle the girls into a pickup truck, but police never located that witness.

[188] Another says that the girls had been spotted in a security patrol car.

[189] So in 1981, which was let's do math, which is like so many years later, six years later.

[190] Seven.

[191] Seven years later.

[192] Seven years later.

[193] A man, a man randomly comes around and he's like, hey, I saw a girl, I saw, I saw a man forcing them into a van that day.

[194] You fucking dick.

[195] Like, what the fuck?

[196] Where were you?

[197] Where were you?

[198] Oh, in 81, I just like popped into my head that these fucking girls were being forced into a van.

[199] He had so much stuff on his mind.

[200] Christmas.

[201] There was tons of littering back then.

[202] But the guy in the van told him, he goes, hey, it's a family dispute.

[203] Don't worry about it.

[204] And that's why he never told it until he was until 81.

[205] Yeah.

[206] I mean, like, can you eat, I can't even.

[207] Well, because, you know, it was like back then, if your family was fighting about something, you could throw them in a van forcibly at the mall.

[208] True.

[209] It was done.

[210] How many people out here have, like, seen that and just never told anyone about it?

[211] And as a family dispute, okay.

[212] Anything, I will call the police just if I see a van.

[213] I don't give a fuck.

[214] I don't care.

[215] I'd be like, it's clearly a bread truck.

[216] I don't care.

[217] Call 911.

[218] Karen does citizens' arrests all over town.

[219] All the time.

[220] I'm exhausted.

[221] I won't even believe her now.

[222] Her brother says, Rachel's brother says that there's been sightings all over the Fort Worth area.

[223] You know, it's one of those like, they were white slaves, like people keep saying that.

[224] Some of the sightings were, what happened?

[225] Someone doesn't like that.

[226] It doesn't matter.

[227] Oh, shit.

[228] Someone's mad about something we said?

[229] Okay.

[230] Okay, so these fucking chicks are never found.

[231] So, wait, sorry, now we're in the 80s?

[232] We're that far ahead?

[233] No. 79 that happened.

[234] I just, I said the 80s as like a thing.

[235] Sorry, sorry, sorry.

[236] It just seemed, I'm not questioning you.

[237] I guess you are.

[238] It's our first fight here in Chicago.

[239] It's the place to do it.

[240] Okay, so they were never found.

[241] Spoiler alert, I'm sorry, that sucks.

[242] It blows.

[243] But there's two suspects that I find very interesting.

[244] So Mike D. Bardellan, Ben.

[245] Read that.

[246] Read that.

[247] Hold on, let me get my readers.

[248] Mike D. Bardell Eben.

[249] What do I say?

[250] It really is what it says.

[251] That wasn't just you kind of having fun.

[252] That was a copy and paste.

[253] No, no, no. That was a copy of base.

[254] So this dude gets arrested for passing counterfeit bills.

[255] And then the cops found evidence of sex crimes.

[256] including him taking photos of him raping and murdering humans.

[257] Yeah, thank you.

[258] Oh, you didn't know?

[259] That's what the whole fucking podcast is about.

[260] Someone's like, wait, what?

[261] I thought you were going to talk out the story of the Wizard of Oz.

[262] No, it's all this bad.

[263] The FBI profiler's think that when the face is seen in the photo, he kills them.

[264] When the face isn't seen, he allows them to live.

[265] And you're like, come on, you fucking dick.

[266] Okay, so here's the tie -in, is that he's a convicted kidnapper, rapist, counterfeiter, and suspected serial killer was the habit of passing counterfeit bills in shopping malls.

[267] He was operating around Texas around that time and was known to impersonate security guards and other positions of authority.

[268] Remember that chick was like, I saw security guard.

[269] driving them in his van, right?

[270] Because, like, who, what girl back then isn't going to, like, go with, oh, my God, my bell chicken, go with his security guard.

[271] Do it into the microphone next time.

[272] We accept you.

[273] My mom is here.

[274] Oh, that's right.

[275] Sorry.

[276] This is what you raised.

[277] Yeah, I mean, okay, so the guy comes over and he's like, do you see that?

[278] Yeah, it was awesome.

[279] That's good podcasting right there.

[280] That's the kind of shit you can't see when you're listening.

[281] Yeah, Saeed.

[282] Thank you.

[283] She's like the David Blaine of paper.

[284] Okay, so back then, guys, like I saw you shoplifting.

[285] I'm a security guard.

[286] And you're like, no, I didn't.

[287] And he's like, come with me. You know, and he makes him all come with him.

[288] You go.

[289] It's like he has a blue shirt on with a belt.

[290] And then you're like, oh, I guess you're in charge.

[291] I guess I have to fucking do whatever you say.

[292] There's no stranger danger.

[293] There's don't fucking talk back to authority.

[294] That's what that was back then.

[295] Yes.

[296] So you just get in the car.

[297] car yeah goodbye uh sweet honesty sweet honesty she didn't understand it's actually you should sweet kick him in the dick that's what i'm sure instead of said you guys pepper spray first and fucking apologize later right these days george's favorite thing to say should i pepper spray that guy it's my it makes me laugh so hard i can't remember where we were but you're just like do i need to pepper spray this guys like please don't not right now Why not?

[298] Just spray it around like room freshener In your mouth, what is called?

[299] Benaka.

[300] Uh -uh.

[301] Let's do this.

[302] Okay, so he's known to impersonate security cards, not serial killers, and other positions of authority.

[303] He lived within a half mile of Rachel, one of the girls who disappeared at the time of the disappearance.

[304] And then I wrote, Fucked Up, he earned the respect of the FBI profilers, because he never gave himself away in unguarded moments, nor bragged about his exploits.

[305] So the fucking FBI was like, good on him, that he never told anyone.

[306] Well, it was like a healthy respect for the enemy.

[307] Because usually they brag.

[308] Yeah, but I don't respect them for not getting it out of this dude.

[309] If their fucking killer is smarter, are we going to, should I not talk shit about the FBI?

[310] I don't know.

[311] It's a sensitive time.

[312] Do it, someone yell.

[313] You fucking do it.

[314] Listen, love those guys.

[315] I'm just saying this dude was a serial killer.

[316] We're going to do a show at the FBI at Quantico next month.

[317] The murder of our government.

[318] You guys.

[319] Okay, the other dude, who I think is just the fucking dude, Lloyd Welch, he's a drifter and a hitchhiker.

[320] Lord?

[321] Lloyd.

[322] Oh, sorry.

[323] That would be cool, though.

[324] He's like a lord?

[325] Lord Welch.

[326] But in Texas.

[327] Lord of the back.

[328] bad manners because he the bad manners that's what gets cut out usually okay he's recently been charged around that recently around now he's been charged with the murder of the lion sisters there's two girls and you're shaking your head I can see it Catherine who is 10 and Sheila who was 12 disappears from a Maryland mall in 1975 okay he's exact same MO at the time of his arrest No. At the time of his arrest, he's starting a lengthy prison sentence in Delaware for child sexual abuse.

[329] So he's a real fun guy.

[330] Like a prize.

[331] Yeah.

[332] Mom is proud.

[333] Good stuff.

[334] So in December 2014, here's another fucking asshole.

[335] Welch's cousin tells detectives that he had helped Welch so that they never found the lion sisters.

[336] They were like, you know, these girls got kidnapped from them all.

[337] Never found them.

[338] In 2014, Welch's cousin is like, well, one time I helped.

[339] him with two heavy duffel bags in 1975.

[340] Dude.

[341] It gets worse.

[342] They met at a property in Virginia.

[343] He said he helped to remove two army -style duffel bags from Welch's vehicle.

[344] Each bag weighed about 60 or 70 pounds and smelled like death.

[345] Fuck.

[346] It was probably camping equipment.

[347] It gets musty.

[348] You know how when your cousins ask you to help you burn or bury something and you're like, I'm just not asking questions?

[349] I mean, look, we're all cousins.

[350] We have to be at Thanksgiving together.

[351] Just be chill.

[352] It would be so awkward if I'm like, what's in these?

[353] And you're like, I don't want to tell you.

[354] Come on, don't unzip that.

[355] It's my murder duffel.

[356] He tells in 2014.

[357] And then, oh, and he said, further, the bags were covered in red stains.

[358] It's probably Kool -Aid.

[359] Was he blind in death?

[360] And then in 2014, he came to, came out on that.

[361] back miraculously.

[362] And, okay, so Lloyd Welch happens to be, he happens to work at the time, he was like a drifter, but he worked for a traveling carnival company.

[363] Guess where they set up all the time in the 70s?

[364] Inside a duffel bag?

[365] No. In malls.

[366] And he was in Austin, Texas until around 75, this carnival set up in malls from the mid -70s to 97.

[367] I'm just trying to picture a mall carnival, and it's, like, bumming me out so bad.

[368] You know, your parents always were, like, they were always like, those rides are going to kill you.

[369] They also didn't say, those ride people are going to kill you.

[370] Yes, right.

[371] Basically, everything over there is going to kill you.

[372] Everything your mom, like, your parents told you to worry about, and you were like, you're being annoying.

[373] No, they'll kill you.

[374] They're dead on.

[375] Yeah.

[376] Dead on.

[377] It's so annoying when your parents are right.

[378] Yeah.

[379] So in July 2015, Welch is indicted, charged with the girl's murder.

[380] His uncle is a person of interest.

[381] Yeah.

[382] The devil bag guy?

[383] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[384] Okay, so here's another thing.

[385] So he's in malls, blah, blah, blah.

[386] His longtime girlfriend at the time dated for over 10 years, we're always on the road together, et cetera, et cetera.

[387] She was a security guard at a mall.

[388] Oh, like for the real deal?

[389] Yeah.

[390] Borrowed her outfit.

[391] What's up?

[392] stole those kids you know it yeah oh and then in 2001 a former seer security guard and fort with police officer gives a chilling account he says that he witnessed girls climb into a pickup truck of a young mall security guard and that they appeared to go with him willingly goodbye that's just fucked never found never found in the other two girls that were murdered that was never prosecuted either.

[393] But do we know that the husband and sister weren't involved?

[394] The brother thinks that the sister was involved.

[395] I'd like to bring all of Texas up on charges for this story.

[396] No one's innocent in this, it seems like, he wouldn't be wrong.

[397] But also, so wait, somebody had the girlfriend was a real security guard so they could have been borrowing badges and shit and stuff to make it look real.

[398] Totally.

[399] Or maybe she was complicit?

[400] Maybe she was complicit and fucking was like, get in my car girls.

[401] And they got in her car.

[402] you know?

[403] Yeah.

[404] All right, so don't go to the mall.

[405] Don't talk to security guards.

[406] Don't wear your sweet honesty shirt ever again.

[407] Stop it.

[408] Don't do it.

[409] I have to say those cold cases drive me crazy.

[410] I know, I love them.

[411] I know.

[412] That's your favorite.

[413] There's just no. We should set up like a red phone on stage in case somebody finds out and they can call us immediately.

[414] Ring through and be like.

[415] Lloyd Welch.

[416] Oh, my God.

[417] Oh, good.

[418] You guys.

[419] And then, um, and then like the balloons drop and confetti comes down.

[420] Yes.

[421] And we all dance and dance.

[422] Well, good one.

[423] That was a good one.

[424] Thank you.

[425] Clapford, Georges.

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[445] Goodbye.

[446] Hope you guys all enjoyed the Fort Worth missing trio story from Georgia Hardstock.

[447] I don't know if there's any updates since this was recorded in 2016.

[448] If there are, somebody 10.

[449] me and let me know if we have an answer or not.

[450] And the next story is Karen Kilgaroff.

[451] And because this was Chicago, Karen knew to just like bring one of the Chicago, greats is the opposite of the word that I mean to say.

[452] But the word, one of the Chicago worst to the stage.

[453] And so this is Karen doing the gruesome story of John Wayne Gasey.

[454] Enjoy.

[455] I hate this fucking stool.

[456] I'm sorry.

[457] I'm sorry to back your stool.

[458] Stand and deliver.

[459] I'm going to stand and stare at you with.

[460] Well, I did a very pandery thing, and I picked a Chicago murderer.

[461] You think you're better than me?

[462] What's that?

[463] I said, do you think you're better than me?

[464] That's right.

[465] But also, because there were so many choices.

[466] A lot of people love, they love to talk about how, like, Pacific Northwest, oh, you have so many murders in San Francisco.

[467] Hello, Chicago.

[468] You guys want to kill everybody.

[469] Chicago just doesn't brag about it.

[470] That's right.

[471] They're just low -key.

[472] Yeah.

[473] Like, yeah, well.

[474] They're just like, yeah, let's go have a beer.

[475] I don't need to talk about that.

[476] How are you doing?

[477] More importantly, we don't need to talk about the torso murders.

[478] How are you doing?

[479] Eyeball kill it.

[480] No, that's not here.

[481] No, that's Cleveland.

[482] Anyway, there was a lot of choices to choose from, and there was a lot of favorites, but I actually had to go with this is my original the reason I got into reading serial killer books and watching true crime shows fucking John Wayne Gaines and I know this because she accidentally told me in the hotel room.

[483] It slipped out in the hotel room what was the context of that?

[484] You were talking about how the hotel concierre was like you had to print out your notes and she was like, if you like John Wayne Gasey you'll love this tour and then I was like oh fuck.

[485] Yeah.

[486] That's all I said.

[487] There was nothing else revealed.

[488] So I don't know the deets.

[489] Yeah.

[490] But I'm about to hear them.

[491] You're about to hear them.

[492] And you may have heard me say this before, but the first thing I ever saw about John Wayne Gacey, because if you know, he buried the bodies of teenage boys that he murdered inside his house.

[493] And when the police arrested him finally, and he was able to draw a diagram of his house, and he knew where every single.

[494] single boy was in the house and there were 27 of them.

[495] I bet the FBI didn't respect him after that.

[496] That's right.

[497] They were like, oh.

[498] Look at Braggie Bragerstein over there.

[499] Take it easy.

[500] So I saw when I was like probably 12, I opened a book The Good age to see the shit.

[501] It's a perfect age for true crime.

[502] Opened a book and they had drawn based on the diagram that John Wayne Gacy had drawn, they had been, because he, they just used, um, like, long rectangles to show where the bodies were.

[503] And some artist had basically drawn body shapes.

[504] Like, it almost looked like a chalk outline, but like body shapes in a house diagram.

[505] So that's, I like was, oh, childhood and, you know, Joni loves chalky and fucking this and that.

[506] And I look down at this thing and I'm like, why are those boys floating in those boxes?

[507] And then I, I, read underneath it and it's like you know 27 bodies were buried inside this house and I was just like okay now I know that and now I must know more and I won't stop adding that to Charlotte's Web and all the shit you already knew that's right some pig so let's talk about fucking good old John also the middle name Wayne is very common in serial killer world, which I think is kind of great that he got in there.

[508] I don't know, but he, they named him John Wayne Gasey because his mom loved John Wayne, the actor.

[509] Red flag.

[510] Right?

[511] Not a good sign.

[512] No. That she loved film.

[513] So John Wayne Gacy was born on March 17th, St. Patrick's Day, 1942 at Edgewater Hospital in Chicago, Illinois.

[514] Anyone, Edgewater?

[515] Anyone else?

[516] You guys work there?

[517] Were you also born there with him?

[518] He was the second of three children.

[519] He had an older sister and a younger sister.

[520] And his father was a machinist who had been in World War I. And he was a very bad alcoholic.

[521] So the story was that his dad would come home from work and he would go down into the basement and drink brandy.

[522] which sounds classy but they would have the mom would make dinner and then I'll sit at the dinner table and wait for him to come upstairs and see how he felt well I bet when he came up he was real happy and everyone was like we can finally talk about Brandy well no instead normally he would come up drunk and very angry and he would beat them with a strap for dinner I'm good tonight on strap I'm so full of strap from last night dad you can give it to her though if you want she's real hungry for a strap and part of what they say they think what fueled his rage is that John was basically a mama's boy and he liked that you know the father was into fishing and hunting and man man man and John liked to cook and he liked to be in the kitchen with his mom He liked planting flowers in the garden, things that in like the late 40s apparently brought deep shame upon you and your ancestors and were unacceptable.

[523] It made you drink brandy and beat children.

[524] It sounds like the norm back then, though, you know?

[525] Yeah, I think it is.

[526] It's like everybody has to fit into their box and if you don't, I'm going to punch you in the face even though you're eight.

[527] All right.

[528] And then I wrote down there, toxic masculinity ruins the party again.

[529] Can't wait to see that meme.

[530] Then when John was nine, he was molested by a family friend, and then when he was 11, he was hit in the head with...

[531] A baseball bat?

[532] What?

[533] With a swing.

[534] With a swing.

[535] Exactly like Richard Ramirez, with a swing.

[536] You know if I was like he got to nine.

[537] He was so fucking close to like not getting molested.

[538] Like you're so close.

[539] And then some fucking shitty neighbor.

[540] like your dad's fucking work friend comes along so close to getting and then a fucking swing yeah were they like in that swing were they met in a metal back then they probably were made out of like seven pounds of metal like this will really center this swing nicely and it's lead so if you lick it you're gonna die so but he also had a bad heart so he was prone to fainting spells which didn't help with the whole also gardening and cooking thing.

[541] I'm saying ah.

[542] He's just like taking five every once in a while.

[543] Type of stuff.

[544] And the, so he just thought, he's all fucked up.

[545] Then to add to the household tension, John had a secret fetish for women's underwear.

[546] So he would steal his mother's silk panning, and put them hold on in a bag and in a brown bag in the back of the closet so then his sister found that brown bag in the closet.

[547] She told the mom and the mom was like oh Johnny's always had a fetish for panties so she was quite progressive actually which is very nice to hear but not helpful in any way so okay so when he So he had a hard time in school.

[548] He wasn't popular.

[549] He fainted a lot.

[550] He was always thinking about those underwear.

[551] And then he was night.

[552] He never graduated from high school.

[553] He went to four different high schools around the greater metropolitan area.

[554] And then he never graduated.

[555] And when he was 19, he just left town.

[556] He moved to Las Vegas without telling his family.

[557] That sounds like what you're supposed to do when you live in the Midwest.

[558] That's right.

[559] Bye.

[560] No, I mean, like get out of your small town.

[561] I don't mean, not you guys.

[562] They just all come rushing to the thing.

[563] Yeah.

[564] Don't worry, they'll fall into the orchestra pit.

[565] We're totally, say, ah, ah.

[566] So here's the thing.

[567] So he gets a job in Las Vegas, and, like, I was thinking about this.

[568] Like, the first job you get out of high school, it's usually based on the thing you kind of like the most or the thing that you're into.

[569] So, like, I worked at a yogurt shop because I fucking love eating so much.

[570] I worked at a bakery.

[571] Did you?

[572] Yeah.

[573] And, well, John became a janitor at a mortuary.

[574] Yeah.

[575] Because it was his passion, the dead.

[576] And he actually later admitted to the police that when he worked there one night, he, that's right.

[577] No. He got into a coffin with the body of a dead boy and fondled it.

[578] It gets so much worse.

[579] There's 47 pages right here.

[580] A lot of this is my poetry I'm going to read later.

[581] All right.

[582] His parents actually hire a private investigator to find him.

[583] They find him in Vegas.

[584] My parents wouldn't do that.

[585] I know, right?

[586] And be like, well, good luck.

[587] I mean, if you've got to be in Vegas, fondling dead bodies, then live your dreams.

[588] He came back to Chicago, and he went to business college, and it turned out he was a born salesman because he is a psychopath.

[589] Right?

[590] We're learning as we talk on this podcast all about terminology and what it actually means as opposed to what I think it means and say it means to a whole shitload of people.

[591] And then people, we're learning that people believe us when we say shit.

[592] I didn't know that.

[593] Yeah.

[594] So I think we've taught psychosis.

[595] I've mixed up psychosis and psychopath.

[596] So I had the thing where I told people that 25 % of the population were sociopaths.

[597] People do not like that.

[598] And then in corrections corner, she said that it was only one quarter.

[599] Yes.

[600] And I was like, okay.

[601] I didn't fucking question.

[602] Everything's fine.

[603] You know anyone can do a podcast, right?

[604] Anybody.

[605] Yeah, anyone gets a podcast.

[606] It's true.

[607] So, but for this, I looked it up because clearly we know that these major players are usually psychopaths.

[608] And their thing is that they're very ambitious.

[609] It's like they just want to get ahead.

[610] They're very, very charming, which apparently John Wayne Gasey was very charming and like had the gift of Gabby's really, he's very, you know, like he just made people feel very comfortable.

[611] And then he had an insatiable sexual appetite.

[612] So he was kind of always doing things so that he could.

[613] Those all sounds so like time consuming.

[614] You know?

[615] Like it makes me want to take a nap.

[616] Yeah, he had to, like, take vitamins and just really, like, make sure you got enough water and stuff.

[617] You know, what's great is taking a nap with a cat.

[618] Like, I don't know, you don't need to be super sexual or talky or fucking cool.

[619] You can just go to sleep.

[620] Yeah.

[621] Well, not John, as far as I know.

[622] I mean, good for him, kind of.

[623] What if he was, like, a crazy cat lady?

[624] He's like, oh, my God, I have, like, 12 cats.

[625] I love it.

[626] He worked at the Nunn Bush Shoe Company here in Chicago.

[627] Anyone?

[628] Oh, Karen.

[629] Did they shut it down?

[630] Stephen, can we edit that out?

[631] Stephen, can we turn that part up where no one supported me?

[632] He was very good at it, and he ended up getting transferred to Springfield, Illinois.

[633] Oh, big time.

[634] Are you representing from Springfield?

[635] Well, then what the fuck out of there, right?

[636] I was fucking right.

[637] And he joined a group called the JCs.

[638] You can cheer for it.

[639] Now I just don't believe that you're actually.

[640] The John Gacy's?

[641] They're all John Gases?

[642] No, the JCs.

[643] That's JGs.

[644] Fuck.

[645] Sorry.

[646] Mom, this is your fault.

[647] Jesus.

[648] The JCs from what I can gather, which there is almost no information.

[649] I think they might be the Illuminati because it just is a weird blue website that's like, we're a non -profit organization to help for the city.

[650] And it's like, but why?

[651] And based on who?

[652] And, like, there's no answers.

[653] Just young people in jackets that are, like, the JCs.

[654] So he was in the JCs, and he made a lot of, like, contacts and, like, you know, I guess made friends or whatever.

[655] Very active.

[656] And that's when you hear about John Wayne Gacy that he was like, you know, he lived this crazy double life because he was all successful and, you know, was in parades and shit.

[657] Well, I think it was like, it was based in the JCs.

[658] That's how it started.

[659] In February, 1964, he meets a shy bookkeeper.

[660] And a year later, he marries her, and she has a very wealthy family, it turns out.

[661] It's an incredibly beneficial marriage to him.

[662] I want to say a shy bookkeeper as to what bookkeepers are usually like, which is fucking out of control.

[663] A lot of theater students become bookkeepers.

[664] And then...

[665] So she's wealthy.

[666] Yeah.

[667] And so he's like, that's so weird, I'm in love with you.

[668] What a great coincidence.

[669] So later that year, so they get married in, oh no, sorry, they meet in February of 64, they get married soon after, and then later that year, oh, this is mathematically impossible, shit.

[670] Later, it's, I have later that same year while his wife is in the hospital giving birth to their first child, but I'm pretty sure no. But he could have knocked her up before.

[671] Ooh, girl.

[672] John, you dog.

[673] Basically, she gets pregnant with their first child.

[674] She's in the hospital giving birth.

[675] You know, back then, I was like, men didn't have to be in the delivery room.

[676] They weren't, you know, they were just fucking scar.

[677] Women didn't even have to be there.

[678] They just, like, knocked you the fuck out.

[679] That's right.

[680] You're like, die.

[681] Baby.

[682] Let me know when the baby comes.

[683] Well, he actually was at a bar around the corner of the phone as co -workers, who he ended up fucking that night.

[684] While his wife was giving birth, wakes up in the apartment the next day, gets dressed, goes to the hospital, and holds his...

[685] newborn son.

[686] Yeah, so this is the beginning of his double life.

[687] And then, in 1966, his father -in -law says, if you move to Waterloo, Iowa, I will...

[688] I will kill you from the audience.

[689] She's just scared because she was thinking about something that happened earlier.

[690] There was a spider.

[691] There was a spider on her seat.

[692] Yeah, there was a spider.

[693] The father -in -law says, if you move to Waterloo, Iowa, you can have three Kentucky fried chicken restaurant with fucking Waterloo chicken I would do that so he goes there to manage he's 24 at this point and the funniest thing is we watch these I mean there's a million what do you call documentaries about him he always looks 53 like from from fucking jump when there's pictures of him as a boy you're like is that the oldest boy in America he's just at the Kentucky Fried Chickens they say he's like a good manager and he does very well in the job but he makes his employees call him the Colonel fucking nerd if I was standing there with my dumb apron on working Kentucky Fried Chicken he's like I'm your new manager but you gotta call me the Colonel I'd be like see you fucking later Colonel I don't work here anymore but you know he thinks it's like fun and like you can call me this but every time you don't He's like, call me this.

[694] I said, call me this.

[695] And she comes home from a hard day of work, and she's like, my 24 -year -old fucking boss, I'm 53.

[696] I just fit.

[697] He was telling me to call him the fucking colonel.

[698] Yeah, so he quickly becomes a well -liked member of the community.

[699] That's what he does, what he's good at.

[700] He joins the J -Cs in Waterloo.

[701] They're everywhere.

[702] Now you're going to see them everywhere.

[703] It eventually turns into Scientology.

[704] and they said he became the most valuable member of the JCs because he got put in charge who's the chairman of the membership drive and what he would do to get people to join the JCs would have them meet in a motel room and show stag movies and have orgies that sounds amazing and then people would be like sure I'll join the fucking JCs let's do this oh then his sister in one of these documentaries talks about she finds out when they go visit them one time that him and his wife swap partners.

[705] Like, that they're, what is that called them?

[706] Swingers.

[707] They're swingers.

[708] Like Vince Vaughn and his friend.

[709] We don't even know what that mean.

[710] And we're like kind of proud of it.

[711] He tells his sister when they're visiting.

[712] I was like, yeah, we're going to go to this party tonight, but we might go home with other people.

[713] It's like, okay.

[714] You know you're both gross, right?

[715] You know I know about the underwear and the bag, right?

[716] Yeah.

[717] And then he's voted the Jason.

[718] C's man of the year.

[719] Call me Colonel.

[720] So then when he's in Waterloo, he ends up, his wife goes out of town, he invites the 15 -year -old son of a fellow JC and a state senator over to the house to watch a stag film and get drunk, and he molest this boy.

[721] No shit.

[722] Then he told him, you can't tell him, because I have ties to the mafia in Chicago, here's 50 bucks, your mouth shut.

[723] And it works for a little while.

[724] It works for long enough so that he molests a second boy.

[725] And then finally one boy breaks and then the other one does and he gets arrested and he gets sent to prison probation for 10 years.

[726] Okay.

[727] The prison psychiatrist recommends that he not be released ever as he was a sexual sadist and could never be rehabilitated.

[728] but he was so well -behaved that he served 18 months fucking fuck man his wife divorces him she's like the swinging thing was one thing but what the fuck so he goes back to Chicago while he's in jail his father dies has a heart attack and dies and he's convinced it's because of what he did which is probably true so he goes and moves in his mother helps him buy a house and they move in together and he's like trying to you know make good on all of his bad behavior so they buy a house at 8213 West Somerdale Avenue in the Norwood Park.

[729] Anyone live there at that house?

[730] But for real though you can't cheer if you don't actually live there and we're all going there right now and then in June of 1971 he starts his infamous contracting company business, I should say, called PDM, which stands for painting, decorating, and maintenance.

[731] What does it really stand for?

[732] Pedophile.

[733] Penis.

[734] Karen.

[735] It stands for penis, but he put DM after, just to throw people off.

[736] And here's the thing.

[737] He basically only hires teenage boys to work for him.

[738] Red flag.

[739] And when, I mean, really, and when anybody asks him about it, he's like, They're more reliable than grown men.

[740] Teenage boys in the 70s.

[741] All right.

[742] Okay.

[743] There's like literal movies made about teenage boys in the 70s.

[744] Being unreliable.

[745] Being unreliable.

[746] So, okay, so in January of 1972, when he is 29, 61, he picks up, he's single now.

[747] So he doesn't have to, no one's checking on him.

[748] I don't think his mother's really paying attention.

[749] So one night he goes to the Greyhound bus station and he picks up a teenage runaway named Tim McCoy and he takes him back to his house where they party, they have sex.

[750] They believe that part was consensual but then Gacy grabs a kitchen knife and stabs him to death.

[751] So this is his first kill and he is also the first body that's buried in the crawl space.

[752] And because he was a runaway, no one ever knew the boy was missing, so the cops were never alerted.

[753] Poor baby.

[754] So then, the next line is, then he remarries a woman named Carol.

[755] Yeah.

[756] It's very easy for him to date for some reason.

[757] It's so funny how much more these people have their shit together than you and I. Like, he's just...

[758] You mean me. You're married.

[759] No, I mean us.

[760] No, I heard.

[761] I heard what you're saying.

[762] I'm married by the string of my teeth.

[763] What do they say?

[764] I mean...

[765] It was a friend of his sisters from high school.

[766] And the sister, again, in a documentary, is like, I mean, I didn't really see, you know, them together, but, you know, they seem happy.

[767] So, and it's just like, oh, all right.

[768] So basically he's just using her as body armor and then just, like, going about his day.

[769] So in 1975 is when he starts dressing up, infamously, as Pogo the clown.

[770] Now, everybody's seen the pictures, But if you haven't, if you're from Norway or whatever.

[771] Has anyone?

[772] They don't do that.

[773] He dressed up as a clown, but he did the makeup.

[774] There's like a rule in clown makeup where everything has to be rounded.

[775] Everything's circular and rounded and like fun because you're staring into the face of children.

[776] And Pogo the clown when John Lincoln says like round shit.

[777] They love round shit.

[778] Donuts and cookies and fucking clown eyes.

[779] But John Wayne Gasey's clown makeup is pointy, pointy, point.

[780] It's the scariest thing.

[781] It's truly like a clown nightmare.

[782] It's aluminati, right?

[783] Fucking death trap.

[784] Light swastika on the forehead.

[785] So bad.

[786] Okay, so in 76, after three years of marriage, his wife leaves him.

[787] Just because.

[788] You know, she just didn't feel like it anymore.

[789] I'm not feeling it.

[790] So there's this story and this guy, Tony Antonucci tells the story on one of the documentaries.

[791] He was 16 at the time.

[792] He was working at the contracting company.

[793] John Wing -Gacy invites him over because this was the thing.

[794] It would be like, come up my house and let's smoke a joint and we'll have a couple drinks and we'll hang out.

[795] And then when the teenage boys would get there, he would be, so this guy was a high school wrestler.

[796] So John Wayne Gase is like, oh, come on, Mr. Restle, show me your wrestling moves.

[797] And the guy's like, okay.

[798] That's such a thing.

[799] Yes.

[800] it's a real all of that it's a real thing yeah because then you're high and then you're like well I'm not gonna say no to my boss who wants me to wrestle yeah and then suddenly you're you can though just know about you guys you can literally just put the joint down and be like I'll see you tomorrow you don't need to drink with older people I don't know like anyone my parents are older than I drink with them it's fine something about you know something is there's something deep there there's something in there it's just no we're gonna dig around and just go with it for sure you don't need to drink with older people just pepper spray everyone so basically he challenges him to a wrestling match and while they're wrestling he throws a handcuff on one of Tony's wrists and he tries to get the other wrist handcuffed and he's fighting him and fighting him and then he thinks he gets in so Gacy leaves the room and then Tony what had happened is like he fought him so much that the handcuff was only clicked to like the first thing so he was able to pull his hand out of the handcuff but then when gacy walked back in the room he kept his hand back in his back so it still looked like he was handcuffed and so when gacy came over to him he fucking took him down he did like a wrestling move took him down to the ground and gacy goes oh you passed the test so then tony's like oh okay and then he just kept working for him oh I wanted that to end better I mean he was alive to tell the story so that's good But it was that thing where he was like You know it's your boss It was a good job They were probably making You know a good amount of money And it's such a weird story That there's no way to explain it to someone And sound Like now you'd be like this thing happened And that would be a classic assault But now But then it was just like He's just goofing around Yeah You know we got high in that thing where your boss wrestles you and handcuffs you.

[801] Didn't you work at the gap?

[802] That happened to you once at the gap, right?

[803] Yes, it happens all the time.

[804] It's normal.

[805] All right, so basically, this is his, it turns out that this becomes Gacy's M .O. It's either the handcuff trick or the magic rope trick.

[806] The magic rope trick was he would say, oh, I'm going to show you this magic rope trick.

[807] And it was all around the fact that he was Pogo the clown.

[808] So he's like, I'm a clown.

[809] I have these tricks.

[810] I'm going to show you the tricks.

[811] Oh, no. So it's such a nightmare You're like kind of high Like okay Even just the clown stuff I'd be like I'm sorry I just had an emergency call I have to leave They didn't have phones back then right That's right They just had to sit there And they're down vests being like cool man The fucking rope trick The magic rope trick is they stand there And he goes so this is what I do And then he would just throw a rope around their neck And fucking strangle them to bed That was the magic rope trick So it was quick and bad.

[812] Oh, God.

[813] So the problem was that he hired these boys, and a lot of them were written off as runaways, when they would disappear.

[814] Oh, man. And oftentimes it would come to him.

[815] So they'd be like, oh, he worked for you.

[816] Have you seen him lately?

[817] And Tony Antonucci tells him one of those stories.

[818] He said he was supposed to meet this boy, John Zick, and John Zick never showed up for the job they were supposed to go do together.

[819] And then Gasey came up.

[820] up and goes, he called me, and he said that he went to Cabo San Lucas.

[821] Yep.

[822] Yeah.

[823] Because that's where you go when you're a teenager.

[824] When you're a teenager.

[825] By yourself.

[826] I'm just going to go.

[827] I'm going to quicksies.

[828] I just need to go down to the Mexican Riviera for a while.

[829] I'm going to go.

[830] I just need to take it easy.

[831] Goodbye.

[832] So at this point, oh, and also around this time, Gacy also put red lights in his car and would, when he would see a target, he would put.

[833] pull them over and say that he was an undercover cop and that he was, um, had to bring them in.

[834] He would handcuff them and then he would have them.

[835] Never pull your car over when you're getting followed by a cop.

[836] Tell them I said that.

[837] Um, which is also the thing that Hillside Stranglers did.

[838] They, they posed as cops and pulled women over and would be like, you have a bunch of tickets get into our car.

[839] Which is why you actually, I mean, I'm not fucking bullshitting now.

[840] You do want to pull over in a well populated area.

[841] You don't want to, if you're, if someone cop is stopping you on a fucking deserted road, you're fucking getting off on the next stop and parking in the McDonald's.

[842] You know what you're doing?

[843] You're high -speed chasing it.

[844] Bye!

[845] To evolve.

[846] Tell them your mother sent you.

[847] Karen and Georgia.

[848] So, around this time, at this point, he's been getting away with murder for six years.

[849] At the end of 1977, he'd killed 19 boys.

[850] Fuck.

[851] And by 1978, he was committing a murder every two to three weeks.

[852] Holy shit.

[853] It's your town.

[854] I can't even vacuum every two to three weeks.

[855] I mean, it's so much dog hair on all my clothes at all the time.

[856] Me too.

[857] The only reason we don't have it is because we packed these.

[858] I bought this here.

[859] All right.

[860] So his last victim, this was in December 1978, and it was 15 -year -old Robert Pist, and he worked part -time at a drugstore in Desplanes.

[861] Desplanes.

[862] Deplanes?

[863] Desplanes?

[864] does planes it doesn't matter so his mom this Robert Peace mom is in the parking lot to pick him up when his shift is over but he goes hold on a second I met this guy who has a better job for me and it's a really good paying job I'll be right back and he never comes back they go out into the parking lot after 15 minutes and he's nowhere to be seen but here's the thing and this is where if you've ever seen there's a movie where Brian Denny he plays John Wayne Gacy, and you have to see it.

[865] It's so crazy.

[866] Because he was a crazy drunk and on pills.

[867] So by this point, he's been doing it and getting away with it for so long.

[868] He's like sloppy as hell.

[869] He thinks no one's ever going to catch him.

[870] And he's just really sloppy.

[871] So the people in this drug store knew who John Wayne Gacy was.

[872] The guy who always offers kids' jobs, probably.

[873] Exactly.

[874] Pogo the clown's here again.

[875] It's that guy who wears a sweet honesty t -shirt all the time.

[876] I brought it back around.

[877] Yeah.

[878] It's called to bring it back around.

[879] Thank you.

[880] Thank you.

[881] So anyway, they file a missing person's report.

[882] He is not a runaway.

[883] They can't blame it on any of that shit.

[884] This boy was an Eagle Scout, a loving family.

[885] So the cops, they trace it back to Gacy.

[886] The cops go to his house to question him at 3 .30 in the morning when they finally trace it back.

[887] And he's super pissy.

[888] He's like really bitchy to the cops.

[889] I would be.

[890] Oh, no, I'm sorry.

[891] They go to his house, like, at night, normal time.

[892] And he's really bitching.

[893] He's like, I will come down to the station.

[894] I'll come down to talk to you.

[895] He shows up at 3 .30 in the morning at the police station covered in mud.

[896] So they're like, could you take a seat in here, please?

[897] We just have a couple questions to ask you.

[898] What the fuck?

[899] And they finally do a background check and see that he was convicted for sodomy in Iowa.

[900] and they're finally like, I think we've got this, the guy.

[901] Yeah, but can I just say that sodomy is a bullshit charge that they, because they didn't give him the, you guys, never mind.

[902] What?

[903] It's just a thing where they like didn't want to charge him with child molestation or give him a real fucking charge.

[904] They gave him 18 months because they gave him sodomy instead, which like anyone could get sodomy.

[905] That's right.

[906] That's right.

[907] And if you're not comfortable with that, maybe it's your problem.

[908] Yeah.

[909] They detain him at the police station.

[910] I mean, I don't know what to say.

[911] Okay.

[912] They detain him at the police station.

[913] They go and search Gacy's home and they find a trapdoor that leads down to the crawl space.

[914] And then a cop crawls down to the crawl space and they're like, there sure is a lot of lime down here.

[915] And they just come back up.

[916] They didn't find anything.

[917] They came...

[918] Yeah.

[919] yeah someone said no no there's more on this paper i swear to go so what they do find is a bunch of jewelry that does not belong to him and one of the things that they found was a class ring with the initials j c inside it and they trace that ring back to john zick his last name is spelled so insanely it's z y s z k or something like that i just wrote it z i c k because i couldn't deal um But they basically see, they trace the ring, they get John's name, they go to the Zick home, and they say, the mother tells them he's been missing since January 20th, 1977, and they're like, ding, ding, ding, here we go.

[920] This is our guy.

[921] So then they start, they stake him out.

[922] And they have to get, they have to get a search warrant for his house.

[923] So while they're waiting, they put the surveillance team on his house and gacy is doing things like leading them on long medium speed chases till dawn or like he doesn't even know anyone's following him no no no he does he's doing it on purpose or he's like buying them dinner like they're out there you know like trying to order food or whatever and then he just picks up the tab like he's fucking around like he's there's he can't ever get caught um but they get a second search warrant and uh That's when, oh, no, sorry, he invited them in for a fish dinner.

[924] And while the two cops were inside, one of them said, could I use your restroom?

[925] And when the cop goes into the restroom, they said it was around Christmas time, so the heater was on.

[926] And the cop walked into the bathroom.

[927] I keep saying restroom, but it's a home.

[928] He goes into the bathroom and smells death.

[929] And he's like, listen.

[930] What?

[931] Did you hear that?

[932] What?

[933] I just heard a ghost.

[934] The heater event came on, the air came out, and it was the smell of death.

[935] And he knew that they had to search this house, basically.

[936] Oh, my God.

[937] So essentially, blip, bleep.

[938] Sorry.

[939] How they finally got him was he had driven to a gas station and, like, dropped off a bag of pot to somebody.

[940] So they got him on this really dumb charge, but they were able to hold him.

[941] at the police station, they got the second warrant, they go into the house, they go into the crawl space, and after 15 minutes, because they just didn't take enough time the first time, after 15 minutes, they're like, we have three bodies down here.

[942] And then it's on like Donkey Kong, and eventually they find in that crawl space the 27 bodies of young men and boys.

[943] I feel so bad for those cops that had to do all that shit up.

[944] it's so, even just the old footage is so upsetting looking.

[945] I didn't see it.

[946] It's, yeah, you have to look at it.

[947] Was his mom just playing solitaire the whole time or something?

[948] No, she died at some point.

[949] I almost said, she's like, what's that Johnny?

[950] I didn't hear you come in.

[951] I almost said, good.

[952] No, I don't want to do the handcuff trick again.

[953] I don't want to.

[954] You know, you did that to me. I fell for it.

[955] Er are my undies.

[956] So there's 27 bodies in the house and then he admits that there are also six he dumped in the river and that's when he was covered in mud at the police station he had just dumped Robert Pist's body.

[957] He basically dumped it and went straight to the police station.

[958] He stands trial in February of 1980.

[959] He never shows an ounce of remorse.

[960] They put the victim's family members and friends on the stand so everybody sees all of these boys and all their family and all the people that were affected and in three hours the jury finds him guilty on all counts.

[961] He's sentenced to death, and after 14 years of appeals, he's put to death on May 10th, 1994.

[962] His last words were, kiss my ass.

[963] Oh.

[964] He's a good guy.

[965] And his last meal was Kentucky from chicken.

[966] That's right.

[967] That's cool.

[968] I mean, no, it's awful.

[969] I don't know.

[970] I kind of like it.

[971] I know.

[972] And then they destroyed that house.

[973] No. When I first saw the footage of that, they like pulled the whole fucking thing.

[974] down.

[975] And then I was like, that's a bit dramatic.

[976] And then I was like, what am I talking about?

[977] Like, what real estate could sell?

[978] Real estate agent could sell that fucking house.

[979] I'd like that killing 27 people isn't dramatic, but them tearing the house down.

[980] Taring the house and I was like, stop it, you guys.

[981] You're being nuts.

[982] You're being, uh, what's the word?

[983] Dramatic?

[984] Yes.

[985] And that's John Wayne Gasey.

[986] Good job, Chicago.

[987] Yeah.

[988] Thank you.

[989] Great.

[990] All right.

[991] I hope you guys enjoyed the horrible, horrible story of John and Gacy in a way that only Karen Kogarraf could tell it.

[992] And that's been this week's episode.

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