#1830 - Meghan Murphy

[0] Joe Rogan podcast, checking out.

[1] The Joe Rogan Experience.

[2] Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

[3] Hi.

[4] What's happening?

[5] Good to see you.

[6] Good to see you also.

[7] What's crack a lacqu 'n?

[8] Well, are you ready to get wasted?

[9] Yeah, you and this fucking, you and this fucking vile beverage that you bring.

[10] I brought, Lord, I was like Joe is going to actually be mad when he sees what I brought.

[11] Okay.

[12] I brought Recia.

[13] Joe Rogan, this man right here, he talks about Recia.

[14] I talk about it.

[15] He gave it to me. All the time!

[16] You never stop bitching about Recy on the line.

[17] Well, I give it to people, and every time I give it to people, they're like, Jesus!

[18] I don't know.

[19] It's one of the rare alcohols that we've had in studio that we haven't burned through.

[20] Yeah, and I noticed you didn't give it to Snoop.

[21] No. Squandered opportunity.

[22] I was like, you're like, you don't know.

[23] want that.

[24] I don't think Snoop wants that.

[25] Maybe he doesn't want it.

[26] I can't take a chance with Snoop.

[27] Okay, so Bricea is moonshine from the state of Holisco, which is where I live in Mexico.

[28] And it's similar to mescal, so it comes from the agave plant.

[29] And that is the end of my explanation, because after that, I am confused.

[30] I don't know why you like it.

[31] I don't know why either.

[32] Like, I have no, I'm not like, I don't love most booze.

[33] Like, really?

[34] I love drinking.

[35] But, like, I I love whiskey.

[36] I love scotch.

[37] I love Racia.

[38] So you like strong stuff.

[39] I don't like tequila.

[40] I don't like vodka.

[41] I don't like rum.

[42] Yeah, you're a strong drinker.

[43] Well, obviously, if you like Rysia, you're a strong drinker.

[44] You like stuff you feel.

[45] Yeah.

[46] But I mean, I can't explain it.

[47] Like, I can't explain why I don't like tequila, but I like raccio, which everybody else hates.

[48] Okay, thank you.

[49] You don't have to explain shit.

[50] You like, Megan, just do you.

[51] You live your life.

[52] You like what you like.

[53] Yeah, exactly.

[54] So, okay, so what I brought, this is actual moonshine.

[55] It didn't come in this bottle.

[56] My friend put it in this bottle for me. But she actually bought it from on the top of a mountain in Yalapa from a guy.

[57] I've tried it.

[58] So it's okay?

[59] No. It's not going to kill you.

[60] Yeah, I mean, does it kill you?

[61] No, no, no, it's good.

[62] I mean, they've been making this stuff for centuries.

[63] So they put in that bottle?

[64] Did you put the label?

[65] They sell it out of two -liter Coke bottle.

[66] I feel like that's the one we should try This came out of a two -liter like Coke bottle Yeah, we have to try it I want to look at your face Okay Are we putting it in mugs?

[67] Yeah, why not?

[68] I mean, fuck it, this is not formal No, we're not in these coffee mugs Because I'm probably going to pour coffee in it later And just go, oh, I'm like, dude, you're going to hate this, I promise And then after, I'm going to give you some that you might actually like And if you don't like it, then I give up on you forever Oh, no I'm a whiskey guy.

[69] Then we're not friends anymore.

[70] I love whiskey too.

[71] Buffalo Trace.

[72] That's my kind of shit.

[73] Cheers, my friend.

[74] Cheers, nice to see you again.

[75] Very good to see you.

[76] I just got ricey all over my face.

[77] That's what happens when you drink out in mugs.

[78] That tastes like it came from a fucking Coke bottle.

[79] Do you like it at all?

[80] Like, I don't know.

[81] I kind of like it.

[82] Obviously.

[83] You're like, I mean, let me tell you.

[84] Well, Megan, you're a strong cup of coffee as a human, you know, and it makes sense that you'd like a strong beverage.

[85] Okay, thank you.

[86] That actually makes sense.

[87] I appreciate that.

[88] Makes sense.

[89] You know, it fits you.

[90] And this is like, it's either 47 or 48 proof.

[91] And the way that they test the proof.

[92] They ain't testing shit.

[93] Is by, she showed me a video.

[94] My friend showed me a video.

[95] And the guy who's making it, put it in this little thing, and then blue bubbles.

[96] with a straw and then he looks at the bubbles like he looks at the size of the bubbles and sees like how fast they pop and that's how you know oh super accurate is he snake charm as well like what the fuck um this one i bought from the bar across the street from my house because i really i really loved i was like this is so good yeah and i couldn't find it anywhere like i couldn't buy it anywhere so i So is that a popular beverage with Mexicans, or is it a popular beverage with the expats?

[97] More like Mexicans.

[98] Like, for example...

[99] This is beautiful.

[100] Yeah, this one is beautiful.

[101] I love the little...

[102] You might...

[103] This one, actually, to me, tastes more like a mescal.

[104] Do you like mescal?

[105] Yeah, I do.

[106] Like, this one is smokier.

[107] So you might like this one.

[108] But I also like the bottle.

[109] I like how the bottle comes with that little necklace.

[110] Yeah.

[111] You can wear that if you want.

[112] No. It's not my style.

[113] But it is Pride Month.

[114] It would fit for Pride Month.

[115] Perfect.

[116] You can represent your LGBTQ allies or whatever.

[117] Or leprechauns.

[118] Or leprechauns, yeah.

[119] Whatever.

[120] But yeah, like, I mean, Mexicans, this kind of stuff, they only sell to locals.

[121] Like, they don't sell this in stores.

[122] They sell it to the locals who live in that area.

[123] So, yeah, Mexicans like it.

[124] I mean, some Mexicans.

[125] Most people that I know think I'm a crazy person also.

[126] In Mexico, they're like, you're the only person who buys this, Megan.

[127] Like, you burn through all of our ricea, and nobody else buys racia.

[128] Is that mostly what you drink down there?

[129] Yeah.

[130] Wow.

[131] Like, I drink red wine with dinner or at home.

[132] But if I go out, I drink racia.

[133] Can you get that?

[134] Have you ever tried to get a bar in the States?

[135] Like, have you ever gone to Austin and asked for ricea?

[136] No. I don't think they would know what that is.

[137] Maybe I'll try.

[138] Try it tonight.

[139] Give it a shot.

[140] Okay.

[141] I'm going to try not get too wasted tonight because I have an event tomorrow.

[142] Oh, what's your event?

[143] It's called Women Leaving the Left.

[144] It's a panel of women, females, adult human females.

[145] And it's at the Austin Central Library on West Caesar Chavez.

[146] Did I say that right?

[147] Yeah, 710.

[148] um and it's basically like i like i've been writing a lot lately about sorry i'm just like kind of launch into my spiel or whatever i've been writing a lot lately about like my political transformation i suppose you could call it i mean i was super left wing for my whole life like from when i was a kid i grew up in like a marxist household so i was like a socialist and a feminist my whole life until maybe, I don't know, two or three years ago I started feeling like I wasn't super into the labels anymore and definitely started feeling, becoming very critical of the left and not just the way the left had treated me, which has been abhorrent.

[149] but ideologically I think that there's problems it's not you know like what specifically bothers you well I mean I guess so part of the thing that happened was that I realized that attaching yourself to any movement and any ideology limits critical thought and independent thought you get trapped into this box and the people that you're allied with in these movements also trap you into that box and I am a writer and that's you know I'm a thinker you know like I want to learn I want to know and I want the freedom to change my mind about things I want the freedom to explore new ideas and I want the freedom to talk to you know I also do do podcasts and I want to be able to part of the reason I do it is because it's interesting like it's a great way to learn i'm sure you know that right yeah sure i've learned so much just from the opportunity to talk to so many different kinds of people and ask them questions about things oh yeah that i don't know about it's an amazing resource it's amazing running a podcast and being able to have conversations of people it's changed who i am i mean if you go back uh 12 years ago when i started the podcast what i know and the way i talk and the way i think about things it's very different yeah Yeah, and I'm sure that that played like a large role in my changing my mind about all sorts of things.

[150] Right.

[151] Because you're exposed to new ideas and different perspectives and people who come from different backgrounds.

[152] And I mean, I just feel like so many people on the left and so many people in feminism are siloed.

[153] And that is probably true about the right to a certain extent.

[154] that I'm much less familiar with the right because I've never been involved with the right before.

[155] But I feel like on the left and in feminism, they're around people who only agree with them, who only see things their way, and they refuse to speak to anybody who doesn't see things their way, which, you know, exacerbates the problem.

[156] And I didn't want that.

[157] I felt intellectually bored also.

[158] Like I was like, okay, I feel like I'm just repeating myself now.

[159] So I'm not even thinking critically about what I'm saying.

[160] I already know the analysis.

[161] I already know the mantra.

[162] I know what my response is supposed to be.

[163] I know what words I'm supposed to plug in.

[164] Right.

[165] You know, patriarchy, capitalism.

[166] Yeah.

[167] Intersectionality.

[168] I'll know I never got fully into that nonsense.

[169] But, you know, and I really, like, I was, I really have been treated very badly by the left.

[170] and by feminists.

[171] When you say that, though, don't you think it's just specific people that are attached to an ideology?

[172] It's not like people that are left -wing people of treated you badly.

[173] It's a very specific kind of people that decide that you are venturing away from the ideological boundaries.

[174] It's partly that, but I think that is connected to left -wing politics and left -wing ideology.

[175] At least now, maybe that wasn't true in the 17th.

[176] But left wing thoughts, right?

[177] This is the thing that I have a problem with, with all this stuff.

[178] It's like I'm very open -minded and very liberal when it comes to gay rights, women's rights, civil rights.

[179] Even things that I'm still on the fence about now, like universal basic income, boy, I was all in until the pandemic.

[180] And then watching the way people behaved when they got a hold of a lot of unemployment and the money from the government, the COVID relief money, and they didn't want to work anymore.

[181] I was like, ooh, you know, I mean, I know it's not a lot of people, you know, it's not like all the people react in the exact same way.

[182] But I have friends that own businesses and they can't get people to, they couldn't get people to work for them.

[183] Like, I have a friend who owns a restaurant and he couldn't get a bartender.

[184] Like, the bartender would only work for $20 an hour, or excuse me, for 20 hours a week so that he could get unemployment.

[185] And he was like, what the fuck, man?

[186] like yeah i mean but i i think that's partly um i mean yeah that's true but i think it's that's partly like baked into left wing ideology nowadays because there's this like opposition to um you know independence there's an opposition to trying to better yourself as an individual person there's an opposition to individualism because you're supposed to blame the system yeah you're supposed to blame capitalism, racism, patriarchy, you know, and then all the myriad of phobias, transphobia, fat phobia.

[187] And so the solution is not to change you.

[188] It's not your fault.

[189] It's their fault because they're phobic or the system's trying to keep you down.

[190] So I think that like not wanting to work anymore is like, well, like why should I?

[191] I don't have to.

[192] Like they don't realize that it's like it's good for your mental health to work.

[193] Like you're not supposed, it's not good for your mental health to sit around in your apartment on Netflix or on Zoom or on social media or on dating apps or looking at porn all day.

[194] Well, the thing is it's like it's not good to not be self -sustaining is my thought.

[195] I think there's an issue.

[196] I think for many people you get unemployment and you use that unemployment to try to find another job and to sustain yourself and it's great.

[197] But for some people, there is a general human tendency to when you offer to break, to take that break, you know, when you're offered money to do nothing, to do nothing, and you'll do nothing.

[198] I think my thoughts about universal basic income where, and this is what I liked about it, I'd like the idea of giving a person an opportunity where, like, we pay for so many things.

[199] We just sent $40 billion to Ukraine, right?

[200] Why can't we figure out a way to give people enough money to sustain themselves so that they could actually pursue their interests and do what they want to do?

[201] And I think that would make for a stronger world, a stronger economy, a stronger community of people, and happier, healthier people.

[202] That was my thought.

[203] But then when I saw how people reacted with the government money from COVID relief and from unemployment, I was thinking, man, I don't know.

[204] There's a lot of people that aren't going to react the right way.

[205] And what they're going to do is they're going to take an easy way out and they're going to lay around.

[206] And that sucks.

[207] Like, if you give people an opportunity to be laid.

[208] lazy.

[209] Unfortunately, a lot of people are going to be lazy.

[210] And the problem is if you oppose that, if you oppose that relief, then people say you're cruel and, you know, you're not looking out for the working people.

[211] And it's like, that's not, first of all, I hate those fucking categories like working people.

[212] God damn it, everybody's working.

[213] Shut the fuck up.

[214] It's not a working people issue.

[215] We're all working.

[216] Everyone's doing something, right?

[217] Or you're not.

[218] And if you're not, that that is the problem.

[219] The problem is when people don't want to do it.

[220] thing because that is a general instinct that people have towards laziness and the problem i think with whether it's universal basic income or any other social safety nets which i very much support for the most part is that some people it's not everybody but some people have a tendency to just be fucking lazy yes and again this is attached to i think leftist ideology because I think what I realized of late is that leftist ideology is about idealism.

[221] Like it's like we want to create this world and this is the way the world should be.

[222] But in reality, that world doesn't exist and people don't work like that.

[223] Like what they want.

[224] And I'm saying this as somebody who believe these things.

[225] Like people have, like people get really mad at me. People are mad at me all the time.

[226] um nothing new but you know people when i start criticizing the left people get angry at me first of all because people i think like to catarize people and box them in and when they start moving outside of the box they get angry and confused and frustrated and so they'll just want to write you off or hate you or call me right wing or whatever but you know i i i was a leftist and i thought like these people and i thought that it was right and the reason that i was a leftist is because i care about people It's not because I'm an evil communist Like the right is very bad at writing people off too It's like all these communists It's like these people don't even really know what communism is I'm sure they've never read Marx for the most part But you know I didn't want people to be poor I didn't want people to not have housing and food And access to health care and education I wanted things to be more equal and just That's why I was a leftist But the solution was an idea you know like if we create this kind of society then we'll all live in happy communities and everybody will work and nobody will slack off and like there'll be no exploitation and like rape will disappear and oppression will disappear and that's not what happens in the real world that's not what's happened in places that have implemented communist regimes no so and you know you can't it's i don't think that it's good to base a movement on idealism and ideas that are not rooted in material reality.

[227] Do you think, I mean, the argument is always that socialism has never been implemented correctly, this sort of utopian idea of what a real, genuine, compassionate socialist community could look like that's never really been done correctly.

[228] But do you think it's a human nature issue?

[229] Do you think it's like, like, the idea of socialism is great on a surface level if you're thinking about people that work hard and that want everyone else to do well and they want to all contribute.

[230] Like I think you could have a socialist community of very driven disciplined people where they share.

[231] They share things.

[232] Like we have some socialist things, right?

[233] Like the fire department is an excellent example of socialism because we pay in to this thing that supports these people who put out fires and nobody complains about it.

[234] It's a normal thing.

[235] It's something that we contribute to.

[236] It's like a fund and that fund puts out fires and it puts out fires, you know, based on your tax dollars that you put into it.

[237] And you don't want a society where if you don't have money, they don't put the fire out, right?

[238] But some people would argue that that's where it ends.

[239] Like you shouldn't have that and extend that to education.

[240] You shouldn't have that and extend that to health care.

[241] I think that's where socialism could work.

[242] I think, and I don't mean socialism like across the board.

[243] I mean socialist ideas.

[244] I think the idea of a universal healthcare system where everyone is covered and you never have to worry about anything like bankrupting you because you broke a leg or you hurt your back, like that you're taking care of and that we all contribute to that.

[245] And again, if we can give $40 billion to Ukraine, why the fuck can't we do that we can do that that's totally possible the education system the idea that you have to be in debt I was reading the story the other day about this woman who's $250 ,000 in debt from student loans and she took out $150 ,000 so over the course of the interest that's accumulated she's got $100 ,000 more in interest I'm like what the fuck is that and you can't get rid of that it's fucked tell me about it Like, I mean, I support public health care still.

[246] Like, I do think that it is imperative that people have access to health care.

[247] And I think the health care system in America is horrible because I think the aspect of it that's horrible is that people can go into insane amounts of debt because they got sick or hurt.

[248] Like, that's not okay to me. It's not okay.

[249] And the same student loan debt.

[250] You're like, you're right.

[251] Like, you, you get an amount of debt that you can't afford to pay off with the job that you've gotten from going to university.

[252] And then they're charging you all this interest.

[253] So it makes it doubly impossible to pay it up.

[254] And it's like a trap.

[255] I mean.

[256] And you can't get out of it.

[257] No. Like you can't declare bankruptcy on it anymore.

[258] You used to be able to.

[259] Yeah.

[260] You could sell some horrible medication that kills people, get sued for it, lose all your money, go bankrupt.

[261] And you're good.

[262] you it'll absolve you of your debts but that's one of the rare forms of debt that you cannot escape which is crazy because you're you're giving it to 18 year olds you have an 18 year old doesn't have a fully formed brain take I want the money but also like I couldn't afford to go to school full time I could not I was like you know for my whole life until I was able to you know make a living off of what I'm doing now which took a lot of work in me working for for free for many, many years.

[263] I had, like, three jobs all to university.

[264] Like, I was always working full -time, and you're trying to complete a degree, and they make that impossible, too.

[265] You can't complete a degree part -time.

[266] At least I couldn't in Canada, because I couldn't take classes in, like, I couldn't finish a degree only by taking night classes.

[267] It's impossible.

[268] So eventually, you have to quit your job, and you have to go into debt.

[269] Like, people who are critical of students who rack up a ton of student loan debt, and can't pay it off.

[270] They're like, why don't you get a summer job and save money over the summer?

[271] And I was like, I don't live at my parents' house.

[272] Like, when I was 18, my parents moved to the States.

[273] I have to pay rent.

[274] Like, my parents aren't paying for my life for me. Like, I don't have any money to save.

[275] Sometimes I don't have enough money to get on the bus and I have to walk to work.

[276] This is when I was like, you know, 1920.

[277] Like, I was broke most of my life.

[278] Like, no, I wasn't.

[279] poor.

[280] Like, I don't want to be like, what was me?

[281] Like, I always had a house and, you know, something to fall back on.

[282] Like, I was never going to be homeless.

[283] It wasn't like I couldn't eat.

[284] But there was no saving money.

[285] Like, I did not have thousands of dollars to pay tuition.

[286] I had to take out student loan debt.

[287] I had no choice.

[288] Right.

[289] Do you think that there's a certain amount of struggle like that, that is not just good for you but necessary in order to like steal your discipline and create a person who can overcome adversity like if everything is handed to you this is the argument that the right will use right that um if you make things too easy if you give people free education if you give people free health care that they're going to become soft and we need a resilient tough country that works hard and the way you get people to work hard is you force them to because that's the only way the people are going to do it.

[290] I think it's true in some ways.

[291] I mean, I think that struggle is imperative and important.

[292] I think that you need pain to experience and understand pleasure.

[293] I think if there's just, everything is easy for you, I think you get really depressed.

[294] Like, you need to work hard and you have to know what it means to, like, suffer and feel pain and to, like, be bad at things and to, like, get better at things.

[295] I know I don't need to tell you this but like I I mean what I experienced was useful to me in the long term I think because I understand like I understand real life I understand why people go into debt I understand how hard it is for people who are poor and working class to get out of that like what a lot of people on the right do.

[296] don't understand is that class still is a real thing in North America.

[297] It's not as overt or as visible or as extreme as it is in third -old countries.

[298] But it's still real.

[299] I mean, if you are born poor and working class, it's not that it's impossible to get out of it.

[300] You can, and lots of people do, and that's incredible.

[301] But you're challenged in so many different ways, mentally, and in terms of systemic barriers, you know, being able to get a degree, for example, and having the kind of credit that you need to take out loans to, you know, buy property, get a house, so on and so forth.

[302] But there's like a mental barrier that I experienced because I thought I'm working class, I'm always going to be working class, I don't understand money, I don't understand capitalism.

[303] I think this is partly to do with my politics, also I'll say that.

[304] Like, I don't know, I don't know how to make money.

[305] I don't know how to save money.

[306] I don't have, like, business sense.

[307] And I was, I limited myself in that way because I just thought, I was like, I'm never going to be able to own property.

[308] Like, I'm never going to be able to afford to buy a house.

[309] So whatever.

[310] Like, so I'm just going to work at, you know, making $50 ,000 a year and pay my rent.

[311] And that's the end of that.

[312] Like, and I think that people who come from money, see money as an option.

[313] It's accessible to them.

[314] So I think that they might work harder to make more money and to, you know, invest and to save and to...

[315] Well, they also have examples of people who've done it so they can see it.

[316] Exactly.

[317] They could see it happening.

[318] And they see a path too.

[319] If you have an uncle that started a business and became successful, you go, oh, I see how to do it.

[320] I mean, and I knew when I was a kid.

[321] I knew when I was a teenager and this is still true now that a lot of people who own houses and properties, that's because they had family money.

[322] You know, their parents put their down payment down for them.

[323] So if you don't have that, I don't have that.

[324] So I was like, how am I, like, what, I'm going to save up $30 ,000, like, for a down payment?

[325] Yeah, the term working class, one of the things that bugs me about it, is it's like, it's one of those, like, things that gets used often as a cheap political ploy.

[326] Like, we're here for the working class.

[327] Yeah.

[328] And then people, you need to support the working class.

[329] There's this, that's what drives me nuts about it, because it's this weird, sort of, of categorization of people.

[330] Because it does classify people in almost an inescapable little tomb.

[331] You know, you're the working class.

[332] You're part of the working class.

[333] What the fuck does that even mean?

[334] Like, are you talking about people that are struggling to pay their bills?

[335] Yeah.

[336] Well, that's the majority of people.

[337] That's the majority of people.

[338] And oftentimes what we consider not the working class, people are such knuckleheads that if they make $400 ,000 a year, they spend $399, you know, and they become the working class.

[339] They have lot of other stuff that they have to pay for.

[340] You just called me a knucklehead.

[341] Is that you?

[342] I mean, I didn't make that much money, but I'm like, oh, shit, there's money in my banking account.

[343] Yeah.

[344] But you know what I'm saying?

[345] It's like, the thing about the idea of the working class is that people are struggling, you know, and I totally get that, I totally understand that, and I do think that we need to protect those people.

[346] That's why I'm in favor of universal basic health care, of universal health care, and that's why I'm in favor of social safety nets.

[347] I'm in favor of, you know, community programs and making things more accessible to people.

[348] And definitely, I'm in favor of at least reducing the burden of the cost of education in a massive way.

[349] Maybe lift the barrier to entry to education.

[350] Make it harder to get in in terms of, like, the output that you have to put for it.

[351] Make it difficult to get in.

[352] But make it so that when you get in, once you're in there, you know, like, you know, there's going to be community.

[353] community colleges that you can go to, there's going to be places you can go to if you're not going to be able to make it to a university.

[354] But the idea that you should be $150 ,000 in debt and that it's $200 ,000 after years and years of interest accumulating is crazy and you can't get out of it.

[355] That's crazy.

[356] That's a sick industry.

[357] It's a sick industry and it captures so many fucking people.

[358] It really does.

[359] It's crippling.

[360] Yeah.

[361] And I totally agree with you.

[362] I support all of those things, too.

[363] So it makes you a lefty.

[364] You're a lefty.

[365] See what I'm saying?

[366] Well, I mean, I think it's part of this, again, is that I don't want to categorize myself as anything.

[367] Right.

[368] Because then you get stuck in these boxes and it's like, well, you're a leftist, so you have to support Black Lives Matter.

[369] You're a leftist, so you have to believe women.

[370] You're a leftist, so you have to, you know, want to open the borders.

[371] You want to abolish the police.

[372] Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[373] That's what I don't want.

[374] And I don't want to be trapped in any category or ideology.

[375] I support practical ways to help people.

[376] So if these policies work to help people, then I support them.

[377] If there's different policies that are categorizes right wing that help people that are better, that are more effective, then I'll support those policies.

[378] That's what I mean.

[379] And also, you know, what the left has become is totally different than what the left is.

[380] used to be.

[381] I don't believe that the left supports the working class or cares about the working class.

[382] I don't, I think that the left is caught up in, I think that the left consists of middle and upper class people who don't know any poor people, who don't know any marginalized people, who don't know working class people, who don't know, you know, they're advocating for people as these groups and categories that exist in their head.

[383] And I say this because I'm from Vancouver.

[384] I lived in Vancouver.

[385] my entire life, and Vancouver is a very left -wing place.

[386] All of my friends were left -wing.

[387] I didn't have a single right -wing friend.

[388] I didn't know any right -wing people.

[389] I barely even knew, like, any religious people.

[390] I knew a whole bunch of people who were like me. Do you have right -wing friends now?

[391] Yeah, I think so.

[392] Like, I've met, basically since I was kicked off Twitter, I, you know, that was like a blessing in disguise in some ways.

[393] For people don't know you.

[394] We should just like give, just for people who didn't listen to the other episode.

[395] I met Megan because I was outraged and I brought it up in, I brought up your case in the conversation with Jack Dorsey.

[396] I brought it up multiple times in the podcast because you were kicked off Twitter for life for saying a man can never be a woman.

[397] Mm -hmm.

[398] Which is madness.

[399] It's cool.

[400] Like men aren't women is what I said.

[401] Apparently men are allowed to say that.

[402] Matt Walsh is allowed to say that.

[403] I'm not allowed to say that.

[404] What do you mean?

[405] Like after I got kicked off of Twitter, I saw right -wing men on Twitter saying the same things that I've said.

[406] Then they weren't kicked off of Twitter.

[407] And I think that's because...

[408] Were you in a conversation with a trans person when you said that?

[409] Not that I'm aware of.

[410] I don't know who was in the conversation.

[411] It was part of a thread.

[412] And it wasn't like I was saying to somebody, you're not a woman.

[413] It was in response to a tweet that was sort of...

[414] of confusing and me saying but men aren't women though what was the do you remember what the I don't remember what the context is is to be so you but it was that there was like three tweets but also like they I believe that Twitter was going after me specifically because I was speaking critically about gender identity ideology and because I was asking these kinds of questions that I like I don't think that it was specifically because of these tweets I think they took those tweets as an excuse and I think they were trying to get rid of me and then they're like, okay, that's hateful.

[415] And when you say they, it's probably just some moderator.

[416] It's probably someone who has a subjective opinion about what you say and whether or not you should say it.

[417] And that's a problem generally that a lot of people have with the censorship that's on social media, Twitter in particular.

[418] You know, one of the weird things that's happening now with Elon Musk buying Twitter or attempting to buy Twitter.

[419] They've done something different.

[420] And one of the things they've done different is I gained, now it's 900 ,000 followers in the month or so.

[421] Yes.

[422] Yes.

[423] I mean, a lot of people really like you.

[424] So maybe 900 ,000 more people were like, I've decided I love Joe Rogan.

[425] I think I was in a box.

[426] I think I was restricted somewhere.

[427] Well, Megan Kelly said the same thing.

[428] Did you hear her say that?

[429] She said she gained a lot.

[430] She gained a ton.

[431] Like 100 ,000 or, I don't.

[432] remember the number but a lot like it was really noticeable and so she was like she's like I'm pretty sure Twitter was you know shadow messing yeah around with my account yeah I think so I think there's something something was going on I mean I'm just guessing the other option could be their bots that I've gained 900 ,000 bots but it's it's like every time I look it's like another 100 ,000 it's crazy it it grows faster than anything and Instagram is the opposite Instagram seems to have hit the brakes on me like somewhere around six months ago something happened it seems like it's slowed down growth a lot i don't check it too much so i might be wrong i might be you know i mean maybe it's something they've done with their algorithm where they prefer videos over photographs now which i think they do they are they're trying to go more video i believe i read that that's where the viral effect really takes place and i see with my kids with tic -tok you know i'm I have one daughter who's a heavy TikToker.

[433] Oh, yeah.

[434] She's always doing dances with her friends.

[435] Never been on TikTok.

[436] I don't really understand how it works.

[437] You're not 14.

[438] That's true.

[439] But little girls, they get together and they do dances.

[440] And they like to memorize dances and sync it to music.

[441] And then they're watching all these other people TikTok and doing all these other.

[442] And it's like TikTok just hits you with video after video after video.

[443] And they just get you hooked.

[444] You open that app up and it's like, you're already like, oh, a movement.

[445] things are happening and this is what they're trying to do i believe with instagram i think so too and i i did i've read that i don't get it because i hate watching videos on instagram and i hate watching videos on my phone in general like if i'm going to because i'm an old person i guess like i'm like if i want to watch a video i want to look at a big screen like i watch stuff on my laptop but i i hate i don't like reading stuff i don't like using my phone i don't even like texting on my phone to be honest like I text on my laptop but I mean I sort of think that Instagram messes with me a little bit too they refused to verify my account I've tried like five times how many followers do you have 14 ,000 no sorry is that right what's the number that you think you can get who cares I don't want to pretend like I like don't give a shit because I do give a shit but not that big of the shit um is there a number that you you have to reach before they'll verify you oh i went up to 14 .3k today from two congratulations thank you but i i i just felt like my uh my posts were getting less traction all of a sudden and they were no different than what i'd been posting before yeah i don't know what that is like that could just be coincidental but i know some people have definitely been fucked with and you know wasn't there a football player who complained a lot about it jamie and then and eventually he got let out of Instagram jail.

[446] Why does he need a, like he's a football player?

[447] Like, what does he need an Instagram account?

[448] I need an Instagram account because it's how I make a living.

[449] Well, he does too.

[450] That's how you get sponsors.

[451] When you're a football player, you have to get sponsorships.

[452] Oh, if you have lots of followers.

[453] Yeah, the more following.

[454] I'm sorry, football player.

[455] Like sports.

[456] Well, you think about it.

[457] I mean, if you have a large following, like a Tom Brady, I mean, God, how many sponsors does he have?

[458] Oh, okay.

[459] You know, I mean, that's an amazing.

[460] way to make the income.

[461] Like, you don't need an Instagram account to throw a ball.

[462] You need it for Gatorade and Nike and all the car sponsors and all kinds of different things.

[463] When those guys have a large following, that's very valuable.

[464] Which is really an interesting thing.

[465] It's like, what is social media for?

[466] I mean, are you using it for as a business or are you using it to be social?

[467] Are you just having fun and, you know, expressing yourself or are you using it to maximize your brand, air quotes?

[468] I mean, I don't brand.

[469] And I swear to God I don't.

[470] I'm obviously a very authentic person.

[471] I believe you.

[472] I just, I mean, I have to use social media for work because I work for myself.

[473] So it's the only way I can get what I produce out into the world.

[474] And that's how I make an income almost solely through individual donations.

[475] Like so people who send me donations through my website or they sign up to my Patreon or they pay for a subscription on Sub -Spatak, which I don't, I mean, haven't put anything behind a paywall so you can people can just choose to pay or not so i just appreciated if people pay because it's how i make an income but like i don't have i don't there's no institution there's kind of pure it's very pure but i also i would not really i don't think i would have a public instagram account if i hadn't been but i didn't start a public instagram account until i was kicked off of twitter like i have to do that i don't love spending a bunch of time on social media.

[476] Do you, did you enjoy Twitter, though, when you were on it?

[477] Yeah.

[478] I'm like, I don't know why everybody complains about Twitter all the time, because I really like Twitter.

[479] Have you tried to get back on?

[480] Because I know some people that were banned before, they, they try to get back on, they got back on.

[481] I, I appealed twice since.

[482] Recently?

[483] Yeah.

[484] Yeah.

[485] So since Elon Musk announced that he was going to buy Twitter, we'll see if that actually goes through or not.

[486] Um, they just gave into one of his demands.

[487] Oh, did they?

[488] Yeah, they just released, see if you can find what the article says.

[489] But essentially, he said unless they give him access to data so he can find out how many of his accounts are fake.

[490] Right.

[491] Because his take on it was like, if you were going to buy something and you were buying it under the assumption that, okay, here it goes, Twitter's set to turn bot data over to Musk.

[492] All right.

[493] So this says that Twitter's board is reportedly set to pull it about face, offering Elon Musk internal data on hundreds of millions of tweets as advised for the billionaire to complete his acquisition of the social media company.

[494] Twitter set to turnover information to Musk capturing more than 500 million tweets.

[495] The device the Post came from and other information about the account holders.

[496] The Washington Post reported Wednesday, citing an unnamed person familiar with the matter.

[497] Such a move would help respond to Musk's repeated demands for more information about the composition of Twitter's user base and the extent of its problem with bots.

[498] Musk has challenged Twitter's claims that just 5 % of its accounts are bots, calling the way the company calculates fake accounts very suspicious in a May tweet.

[499] So I'm really interested to see how this plays out because he is what he would describe as a free speech absolutist.

[500] And I think that that is something that people are reluctant to agree is a good thing because they're worried about the negative aspects of free speech.

[501] you know they're worried about assholes and you know and trolls and all that stuff toughen up man toughen up and i'm not joking yeah i was calling myself a free speech absolutist for a while and then i interviewed michael solana who was um with the founders fund and he organized heredicon which was a conference that i went to in miami in january that was like amazing it was basically like a wrong think conference was it was amazing yeah it is awesome do you smoke cigars no you want one no okay I'll choke I want more rica though okay I used to I smoked cigarettes from the time I was 13 until 21 you got your aces right next to you well I wanted open a different one because I want you to try this one will you try some more no it's nasty dude this one is good I swear to go okay listen if you don't like this one well I already said I'd give up on you if you don't like this one look at how beautiful the label is in any case It's a nice bottle.

[502] It's a real pretty poison.

[503] Okay, well, I'm going to have more.

[504] Go ahead.

[505] I love the smell of cigars, and I've always wished that I could, but I don't know how to not inhale, so I choke.

[506] Like, because I treat it like a cigarette.

[507] Do you smoke cigarettes?

[508] Well, I quit when I was 21, so.

[509] And I think, and I hate cigarettes now.

[510] But I quit when I was 21, which was good timing, because that was, like, around the same time when all the bars started not letting you smoke inside.

[511] I used to, like, go to the bar and drink beer and smoke cigarettes.

[512] The good old days.

[513] I used to like common clubs to be smoking.

[514] Can you imagine?

[515] Now?

[516] In Mexico, like in Sayulita, where I live, you can smoke anywhere you want.

[517] And I take it because I love Sayulita and I love freedom of Mexico.

[518] And I love that there's no rules.

[519] But when I leave the bar and I wake up the next day, coughing, my hair stinks, my clothes stink.

[520] Yeah.

[521] You're probably catching a buzz, though.

[522] Even though you're coughing.

[523] Probably.

[524] So many people smoke there.

[525] It's crazy.

[526] And coming from somewhere like Vancouver, that's like a super.

[527] healthy place so nobody see it smells so good like I really like it but I can't do it I get it I get it um and you're not gonna peer pressure me I'm not even trying notice notice I haven't tried that was a joke I know aren't you a comedian yeah I went along with it didn't you see yeah I went along with your joke thank you I appreciate that um you used to be able to smoke in Dallas like up until like fairly recently because I remember the Addison Improv which is club I love.

[528] It's a suburb of Dallas.

[529] They had smoking shows.

[530] And I want to say it was in the 2000s.

[531] I don't know when they stopped doing it.

[532] Interesting.

[533] Like, okay.

[534] Well, actually, no. Because so I, sorry, I should speak into the microphone.

[535] I know about this.

[536] I know how mics work.

[537] Yeah.

[538] Well, I've had like the last podcast that I did with you, I saw online a ton of people being like, eh, Megan got drunk.

[539] And I'm like, dude, I had two drinks.

[540] Do you know how many drink do you know how much ricaia i drink like if i go out to like party like i'm like i'm going out i drink like i don't know like 11 or 12 shot like shots of racia like two drinks i drink 11 or 12 shots of ricea i can drink so much rica it's crazy i don't even know how this is like once a week this is not i mean maybe that sounds like i'm like it's not every day like 12 shots and i go through it really like it's i go through it real fast sometimes sometimes I have to switch to whiskey so that I slow down because I can't drink whiskey as fast as I can drink ricaa but um that doesn't make any sense either no I doesn't make none of it makes sense to me but so they so I think in Vancouver so when I was 21 that would have been like 2001 and that was around the same time I think I'm really bad at math um Like they were, they were cutting out smoking in bars probably around 99, 2000, around that time.

[541] Right.

[542] And before that, there were still restaurants and cafes with smoking sections, which was no different from the other section.

[543] And, yeah, you could go to bars and clubs and smoke.

[544] I would always come home with, like, cigarette burns on my fingers and holes in my mesh tank tops.

[545] I remember that in restaurants, cigarette sections, smoking sections of restaurants.

[546] And it's just not that.

[547] chair but that chair and not ventilation that's set up to like really filter things out very well either like Vegas is set up pretty well Vegas you can still smoke indoors can't you?

[548] This is real smooth Joe I really think you should try it whenever you're ready.

[549] This is a real smooth she says she's such a crackhead please believe me it is like yeah oh my god Megan's not smooth it's nasty this one is not smooth that's Well, you fucked up.

[550] She's tired me off with the good one.

[551] There's still time.

[552] We'll get there.

[553] I'm a proponent of, you know, you having the ability to do whatever you want.

[554] The problem is, like, the people that work there, if you're smoking, and, like, there's so many cases of people that are waiters or waitresses in a bar and they get cancer from lungs and they don't smoke.

[555] It's horrible.

[556] Yeah.

[557] I can't imagine having to work in those.

[558] bars and clubs or work on airplanes when everybody's smoking on the airplane that's the craziest thing you're in a fucking tube in the sky that I was like strange what year did that stop I want to say that stopped in the 90s right really I don't know I mean I'm trying to think of I when I was first on a plane I don't know I think dice clay used to have a bit maybe earlier than that probably I mean so they were still doing it in the 80s you think it had to be late 80s because I think dice had a bit about it in like 89 or 90 you're in a fucking tube yeah he had this whole bit about a like a section he's like what we're breathing the same fucking air yeah i mean i really i don't yeah i don't like it and i think that it is unfair to impose that on employees who like have to be there yeah it's that's the problem the problem is the people that work it's a workplace environment safety issue but you know if you'll have a social club it doesn't have employees you know like Like, there's places that set up, they set up places as social clubs so that they can get around certain rules.

[559] Okay, because it's like a private space.

[560] Like cigar bars.

[561] Cigar bars have that kind of setup, you know.

[562] Or like hookah lounges?

[563] Is that similar?

[564] I've never.

[565] Interesting.

[566] I've never tried a hookah?

[567] I'm like, a hookah?

[568] It's good.

[569] What's the point?

[570] I don't get it.

[571] You get a head rush, wild tobacco head rush.

[572] Like a head rush, like nausea?

[573] That's what.

[574] if I try to smoke a cigarette now, because I, every once in a while, in general, I find it gross, but every once in a while I'll be like, there'll be a cigarette smell that appeals to me for some reason.

[575] It probably smells like my, like, Dumorier, ultralight king size that I used to smoke when I was 17.

[576] And I'm like, I want to try a cigarette.

[577] And then I'm like, oh, that was fucking disgusting.

[578] And now my mouth tastes like an ashtray, and it makes me feel ill. Like, I was lucky about quitting smoking because when I started smoking less, the cigarette started making me feel sick.

[579] So if I would have a cigarette, I would feel sick.

[580] Like, it was not hard.

[581] I wasn't like, oh, Lord, I love smoking cigarettes so much.

[582] I think I just smoked cigarettes because I was like a teenager and I was nervous and wanted to fit in.

[583] Right.

[584] Yeah.

[585] It's interesting that you could down 11 shots of Rasea, and that doesn't make you feel ill. And a cigarette would make you feel ill. I sip the shots and not like doing...

[586] Yeah, but you're fucking 11 of them.

[587] They have to get down eventually.

[588] I'm a very...

[589] You're a I come from robust Irish stock.

[590] That's what it is.

[591] It's the Irish stock.

[592] Totally.

[593] Yeah, it has to be.

[594] I mean, it's a really great skill.

[595] I appreciate it.

[596] I would be so sad if I had like two shots of ricey and was like, woo, got to go to bed.

[597] Well, it's weird how it is genetic and that some people of certain ancestry, they don't have historical, you know, there's not like a lot of history of their ancestors drinking alcohol and they struggle with it whereas Irish people generally well you know but there are a lot of Irish alcoholics but they can put it down better for whatever reason Yeah I mean you also have to know how to drink Like I don't do shots Like I wouldn't go to the bar And do a tequila shot Because I don't want to get wasted and black out Like I want to keep going until 5 a .m. So you gotta...

[598] What is the appeal of drinking to you?

[599] Like what is that thing?

[600] This is an interesting interesting question and I thought about this a lot I have I think about it all the time because like because I don't love drugs do you like pot no not at all no I don't like it I tried for many years to smoke weed and I it's not for me it makes me I don't I don't like the feeling of being high I'm sorry I know that's a strange thing to say we've had this conversation three times today You don't have to like what I like.

[601] You're like, this is the kind of podcast where you come on and you agree with everything I say or you're out and you're never coming back.

[602] What is it about, is it the paranoia?

[603] Yeah, I feel paranoid.

[604] I can't socialize.

[605] Like, I get super self -conscious.

[606] So if I smoke weed, I have to, like, stay home and lie on the couch and watch TV and eat candy.

[607] And that's not what I want to do in my life.

[608] Like, I want to be out and socializing or I want to be productive.

[609] I want to be able to work.

[610] And I can't do any of those things.

[611] like I so and I don't like the not knowing when it's going to end like I also I don't like mushrooms because I'm like okay this was fun for five minutes and now I feel weird and I don't have any control over this like I think I want to be in control control thing yeah um like I also like I don't like like MDMA because it's this and like now I feel like I feel it makes me it doesn't do what it does to a lot of other people.

[612] Like, it makes me feel antisocial and, like, I want to go, like, sit in a corner and then wait for it to be done.

[613] I think I like drinking because it's social.

[614] Like, I like going out with my friends and, like, you know, laughing and being stupid and talking about stupid things and doing karaoke and, like, getting loose and wild.

[615] And I work a lot.

[616] Like, I think people think I'm on vacation all.

[617] the time because I moved to a vacation town and probably I post a lot of vacationy looking photos but I work you know five or six days a week like I work until 2 a .m. Like if I'm working I wake up at noon mind you but it's not that bad.

[618] The grind continues as the alarm goes off of people eating lunch it's almost dark.

[619] Is this because you're up late writing?

[620] Yeah like I work until 2 a .m. And then you're wired because you've been working.

[621] So then I like watch a show.

[622] I do my best writing at night.

[623] Yeah, I ride at 10 p .m. Yeah.

[624] And, and then, yeah, and then I'll like try to unwind.

[625] So I'll like watch a show.

[626] So I end up getting to bed at like 3, 4 a .m. If I'm working.

[627] Which makes sense.

[628] You wake up at noon.

[629] Yeah, like and I need eight or nine hours of sleep.

[630] I honestly do.

[631] Like if I get less than that I feel like shit, my brain doesn't work.

[632] My job is brain related.

[633] Like I have to be able to function.

[634] I eat badly.

[635] Like I don't want to work out.

[636] Like, if I'm tired, my day is fucked.

[637] Yeah.

[638] Most people eat badly if they don't get sleep.

[639] Isn't that interesting?

[640] Yeah.

[641] Like, it's like you crave junk food.

[642] Like, you crave sugar and, like, white bread.

[643] Mm -hmm.

[644] Yeah.

[645] So it's just, yeah, it's bad all around.

[646] There's some sort of a reason for that.

[647] There's, they've isolated some reason for why people make poor decisions with food when they're tired.

[648] Yeah.

[649] I mean, I'm sure there is because it's always.

[650] been like that for me like I remember like when I had an office job you know and I had to be at work at eight in the morning or whatever I would spend the whole day drinking like sugar coffees and then I'd want like a cookie yeah and I'd buy like some pastry thing at the cafe like it's yeah I mean I guess it's your body trying to keep you up like and I don't really eat that stuff very often now kind of kills your judgment too there's something about it it's like it kills your ability to form make good decisions yeah i feel like i feel like office life is like so unhealthy i think it works for some people for me it was like it made me super depressed i felt tired all the time i eat badly and like i would get to friday and be so done that i'd be like go party and then you party all weekend and you get to sunday night you're depressed and you have to go back to work again well here's the thing that people are pushing back against a lot is um the idea of doing remote office work like um there's There's a lot of people that feel like they're more productive at home.

[651] And then there's a lot of other people who feel like their employees need to be in the office because that's the only way they can keep track of their, you know, whether or not they're being effective or whether or not they're actually working.

[652] One of the things we found out during the pandemic is how many guys jerk off while they're on Zoom calls.

[653] Why are men so stupid?

[654] Honestly, sorry.

[655] They're addicted.

[656] That's like they're addicted to jerking off.

[657] Yeah, they're addicted to porn.

[658] Is it that they're looking at, oh, they're looking at porn?

[659] Yeah, I think it's, they're also, when.

[660] Like, I'm like, why are you getting horny on a Zoom call?

[661] Yeah, it's not even horny.

[662] It's, it's like addict behavior.

[663] That's what that is.

[664] Like, if you're, like, if you're a disciplined person and you're working, you should be working, right?

[665] You're working on a Zoom call.

[666] But I think that whatever work is so fucking boring or they're not really connected to it.

[667] So, like, I'm just going to mute my camera over here.

[668] and work one off real quick, and maybe they think it's exciting to be able to jerk off while other people are talking.

[669] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[670] Yeah, it's like secret and the bad and the shame and it's all wrapped up in that.

[671] Yeah, there's something to that.

[672] But, I mean, like a lot of people got busted.

[673] And they keep doing it.

[674] I mean, guys watch porn at the library, like at the public library, and like on the plane, which if I weren't, you know, a libertarian now, I'm sort of joking, I don't identify as libertarian, I would say that should be illegal.

[675] Like, it's like, you can't watch porn in public.

[676] Have you seen people watch porn on a plane?

[677] Really?

[678] No, but I've seen other people see other people watch.

[679] I've seen it on the internet, okay?

[680] A friend of mine opened his laptop.

[681] I would be so upset if I saw a man watching porn on the, like, I would, I don't know what I would do.

[682] Is it, it's not legal, right?

[683] What are the laws of 30 ,000 feet?

[684] Does that count?

[685] I assumed it was legal.

[686] What are the laws up there in the sky?

[687] Can you?

[688] You know, we have different laws?

[689] I don't know if it's illegal to watch porn at the library because men do it.

[690] I don't think that's legal.

[691] They might kick them out because they, like, be like, you're gross.

[692] Or if they tried to, like, whip out their genitals.

[693] Their gender neutral genitals.

[694] But you know how there's, like, different laws if you're out in the middle of the ocean?

[695] Okay.

[696] Is there different laws in space?

[697] I don't know the answer to this question.

[698] Right?

[699] Like, I wonder if the laws are exactly the.

[700] same when you're at 30 ,000 feet.

[701] That's a good question because where are you still in, like are you in America or are you in the ocean?

[702] Like if you're over the ocean.

[703] What is that?

[704] Maybe it's up to the business.

[705] Like maybe it's according to like American Airlines gets to decide whether or not you're allowed to watch porn on the plane.

[706] Oh.

[707] Here it is.

[708] Although some systems of national law still adhere to the view that ships and aircraft are part of the territory of the state, the nationality of which they possess.

[709] This is merely a crude metaphor.

[710] In international law, a distinction has been made between three types of state jurisdiction, territorial jurisdiction over national territory and all persons and things therein, quasi -territorial jurisdiction over national ships and aircraft and all persons and things thereon, and personal jurisdiction over all other nationals and all.

[711] all persons under a state's protection as well as their property.

[712] In case of conflict, territorial jurisdiction overrides quasi -territorial jurisdiction and personal jurisdiction while quasi -territorial jurisdiction overrides personal jurisdiction.

[713] Okay, so there's like tears.

[714] Okay.

[715] Territorial jurisdiction over national territory.

[716] So, but that does mean that in cases of conflict, that territorial jurisdiction, overrides it so that means that if you are over the United States of America that is territorial jurisdiction because it's territorial so like when you're in the ocean that makes sense it's nobody's which is really kind of interesting right it's like we we allow people to own everything which you can't own the ocean yeah I mean technically technically you're not allowed to own a beach in Canada anyway is that true in the US too it is right is it but but you can still you can buy up all the property close to the beach and then like build like a fence so that people can't get through but you can't Like, my parents live on a small Gulf Island, and I went to, and, you know, like, you, in BC and on these islands, you can go to beaches, and there's nobody else there.

[717] It's awesome, and it's, like, super beautiful, forests are beautiful, mountains are beautiful, blah, blah, blah.

[718] But I went to this one beach, and there's a path down to the beach, and it says no trespassing private property, but it's like, well, it's a beach, I'm going to go to the beach.

[719] And so we're down at the beach, and the chick who owns the property comes down, it's like, you know, like, you're not allowed, like, you're basically, you're allowed to come to the beach via a boat, but you're not allowed to walk down her path to the beach.

[720] So she's essentially created a private beach.

[721] She's like, how did you get here?

[722] Like, you guys aren't allowed to walk through this place.

[723] And we're like, oh, no, we're just going to swim back.

[724] Yeah, it's weird.

[725] People don't own the beach, but you do own everything above high tide.

[726] You can own above high tide.

[727] That's how it is in Malibu.

[728] So I have a friend who has a place in Malibu and he was telling me that his sons were surfing and they were in this area and this guy didn't know that there is sons so the guy comes out and starts screaming and yelling at them they get the fuck off the beach and you know he got mad at the guy and then you know there's this conflict didn't the guy realize oh you live here okay these are your sons but you're not allowed to yell at people to surf like if because they were laughing and surfing in front of this guy's house.

[729] So he thought because he spent $10 million in this house, he should be able to tell people you can't surf in front of my house.

[730] But there's been cases in Malibu where they hire private security.

[731] So you know what I think it's called billionaire's beach, like Carbon Beach.

[732] So these people that have all this money buy these houses and then they hire private security to kick people off the beach.

[733] But they can't.

[734] You're not allowed to.

[735] So then there's lawsuits where people sue the people who kick them off the beach.

[736] And I don't know how they resolve that.

[737] But I know it's ongoing and technically the people that are the beach goers are correct.

[738] You can't keep people off the beach.

[739] It's everybody's.

[740] Yeah.

[741] It's just the getting there part that is technically illegal.

[742] But of course these people do feel entitled and they're like, this is my private beach.

[743] Like what are you doing on my private beach?

[744] If you want to buy a fucking place and you want to buy a place that's on the water, that is what comes with the territory.

[745] it.

[746] People can camp out right in front of your fucking house.

[747] People can do whatever they want with the ocean.

[748] Like you don't get to own that.

[749] The problem is if like, you know, if you have a bedroom and you like to keep your windows open so you could hear the waves crash and then you have people right below you and they're fucking partying and playing shitty music and...

[750] Too bad, bro.

[751] That's what you get from being rich.

[752] I'm joking.

[753] I hope to be rich someday.

[754] What is this, Jamie?

[755] I just picked that beach.

[756] Is that carbon beach?

[757] Yeah.

[758] See, that's beautiful.

[759] But I think So I think where the people aren't allowed to go is wherever high tide is.

[760] So I think high tide is like right up to there.

[761] So when that area like walking on the beach, anybody can go there.

[762] They can go there.

[763] They can play.

[764] They can fuck around.

[765] But I think above that it's supposed to be theirs, the person who's in front of the beach, which is like still kind of fucked.

[766] This is so strange looking to me because I don't, I've not seen like this isn't a thing in BC where the houses on the beach are just stacked up like.

[767] townhouses oh they're right next to each other if you have a place on the beach like on the island you're it's going to be like in the forest and like you have acreage and well Malibu's a weird spot like that because there's so much money there's and these people are so rich and they're stuffed right next to each other it's real weird seems unpleasant to me I rented a house there once um because my kitchen was getting redone and it wasn't bad because you don't notice that people are there because it's so loud you hear it's whoosh you hear the the water the cracks crashing against the rocks and everything all day long.

[768] And it really is beautiful.

[769] Like in the morning, I would eat breakfast.

[770] We were only there for a couple of months, but I would eat breakfast in the morning.

[771] And the way we were at, we were out on this place that had like a deck, and the water was almost under the deck.

[772] So when you sit there eating breakfast, it's like you're on the water.

[773] I was like, oh, this is nice.

[774] That does sound nice.

[775] It's nice.

[776] Like, this is terrible.

[777] Oh, it's so nice.

[778] I would never want this.

[779] To be able to that, but that to me is, it's a very specific.

[780] thing like the kind of like what I like I like to be like it almost in the water almost in the water is beautiful it's because I got to look out I'm seeing like dolphins I was watching like seagulls swim around and shit and fly over here I'm like this is nice being near the ocean is the best I mean I where did you grow up well I grew up all over the place I was born in New Jersey but I only lived there till I was seven I lived in San Francisco from seven to 11 and then And then I lived in Florida from 11 to 13, and then I lived in Boston for the rest of the time.

[781] Like, I was born in Vancouver and grew up in Vancouver, so I was always near the beach.

[782] We did a lot of camping.

[783] I always swam, like I would bike to Kitt's Pool every day all summer, which is right on the ocean.

[784] And now, like, I would, the idea of, I live in a beach town now, I would never live somewhere, or I think I would feel almost like depressed living somewhere where there was no ocean.

[785] or I would feel trapped.

[786] Like, it's almost like a claustrophobic feeling.

[787] And lakes don't cut it.

[788] It can't just be a body of water.

[789] It has to be the ocean that I can see and access.

[790] That's what you like?

[791] And I don't even go in the ocean.

[792] Why?

[793] Well, in Sallina.

[794] I mean, I did in Vancouver.

[795] Like, I have been in the ocean, but it's not like in Sallita.

[796] Like, I don't go to the beach in Sialita.

[797] No?

[798] Partly because I'm inside my house until it gets dark.

[799] But, like, I don't want to, I'm not like a lie out in the sun kind of person.

[800] I'm pale.

[801] Yeah.

[802] I have a spray tan right now, so that's why I'm looking so.

[803] I probably look almost like a normal human being.

[804] You're many degrees lighter than me, even with your spray tan.

[805] I know.

[806] That's part of the joke.

[807] But I'm not going to go loud in the sun because I'm just going to get, like, skin damage and sweat.

[808] And I can't, like, I work in the day.

[809] Like, I was saying before, like, I work a lot.

[810] Like, if I wake up, I'm working.

[811] until 2 a .m. Every day, except for Thursdays because that's karaoke night.

[812] But, and no...

[813] I need to go see.

[814] You do karaoke.

[815] I'm not very good, but I really like it.

[816] I think that's part of the fun of karaoke is sucking at it.

[817] I mean, it's not fun if everybody's good.

[818] Right.

[819] You're supposed to be bad and, like, yell.

[820] It's kind of sad when they are good.

[821] Well, yeah, it's sad if people take it seriously, is what's sad.

[822] It's sad if they take it seriously.

[823] Like, if you're good, but you just having to be good and you're still kind of joking around, you're not taking yourself seriously.

[824] fine but if you take it really seriously I think that's embarrassing and depressing untapped potential thing you're like this is my skill in life everybody else here is just here to have fun and like scream into the microphone with their friends I mean it doesn't have to be sad let me expand on that it's just sad if that's your moment you know what's sad unrealized dreams that's what's sad if you really wanted to be a musician and karaoke is the place where you get to flex your muscles like but then you go back to the fact in the morning that's sad yeah where you wanted to be a pop star like you wanted to be famous yeah and it's sad because you're behaving as though you think that you're more talented than you actually are and i'm not sure if deep down inside you believe it but you kind of project that like like i take this really seriously because i'm very good at it and i'm very talented and i can't make a joke about this because that would like hurt my ego i don't even know if it's a talent thing with music i know so many talented people now living in Austin.

[825] Austin is an amazing place to go see live music.

[826] It's really fucking cool.

[827] There's so much live music here.

[828] But what's stunning is you go to these bars and there's like 15 people in and you see this person on stage and they're fucking amazing.

[829] And you're like, but it's the same thing with comedy.

[830] Like there's so many amazing comedians who like never really made it.

[831] Right?

[832] Sort of.

[833] Comedy today is more accessible.

[834] like comedians make it now more than ever before talented people which is great they they get on YouTube and they put a like a video up on YouTube like their own personal thing and they'll get hundreds of thousands of views millions of views and do you make money after that well it's not just that it's it's an advertisement for people to come see you in the clubs that's really what it is like all comedy specials are just to let everybody know hey this guy's good you know hey look she's doing it this is it you can watch her do this video and and then see her when she's at the local club or the local theater, that's what it is.

[835] And that's more accessible now than ever before because the barrier for entry is not as steep.

[836] In that, you don't need cooperation.

[837] Like a musician needs a band, unless you're acoustic and you just have a guitar, which is, that's a hard grind too, right?

[838] But if you are a comedian, you just need a comedy club.

[839] And there's so many comedy clubs and everybody's working.

[840] You know, there's a lot of working comedians now.

[841] Like but what does it mean to make it as a comedian like what would make it just is that your full -time job?

[842] Yeah full -time job to be able to sell out a club.

[843] Okay.

[844] Yeah, that's like a like when we think of like like I had this conversation with these guys that opened for me the other day.

[845] I was telling them I'm like you were already you've gone over the hump the hardest part is being funny.

[846] I go then it's all about continuing to work and continuing to write and continuing to get better and continuing to write new material and then getting aligned with a group of other comedians that can help because that's a big thing in comedy is people take you on the road with you like I take these guys on the road with me and I introduce them to the world like if people come to see me you're going to come to see me but you're also going to get to see Tony Hinchcliffe you're also going to get to see Hans Kim you're going to get to see Joey Diaz and through that you know these guys have developed careers so now they can go on the road you know like Tony sells out like pig and comedy clubs and theaters and he kills it when he goes on the road and it's because he did all the right things and you know he's a perfect example like tony self -produced his own special and then sold it to netflix he paid for it did the whole thing didn't that happen to chris um just tefano yeah i really like him yeah he's great like he just did his own and then netflix bought it and neflix bought it ri shafir did the same thing he made his own special Netflix bought it and a lot of people do that it's easier I don't think it's easier to be a great comedian No that would be so hard It's easier to if you are a great comedian It's easier to make a living I have friends that are great musicians That are fucking Just above poverty Yeah totally I mean there's lots of people who are great musicians And they just they have to keep their day job and they do it in their free time for fun, essentially.

[847] It's all you have to bring people with you.

[848] You have to have, like, musicians have to have fucking sound guys.

[849] You have to have the drummer and the guitar player and people that carry your stuff, roadies and the trucks for all your shit.

[850] Yeah, but I think, I mean, with musicians and music, it's like being good, like people aren't going to like your music just because you're good.

[851] Like, just because you're really talented, just because you're a really good musician.

[852] People aren't necessarily going to want to listen to it.

[853] And that's evidenced by the fact that so many people listen to, like, garbage, crap music.

[854] Right, but isn't that just human taste?

[855] Like, people, like...

[856] Or no taste.

[857] I mean...

[858] When I was younger, I used to think that way.

[859] I used to think that people who didn't like what I like, or were idiots.

[860] And people who like things that I hated were morons.

[861] Oh, did you grow out of that?

[862] Yeah, I grew out of that.

[863] Okay, we'll see how I do.

[864] I just, I have, as I've gotten older, I've looked for less conflict in life at every given opportunity.

[865] I just try to find less conflict.

[866] And one of the best ways is to not care what other people like.

[867] Like as long as they like I'm not into mumble rap, but I have friends who love mumble wrap.

[868] They like to smoke weed and listen to mumble rap.

[869] I'm like, okay.

[870] I used to be like, what the fuck are you listening?

[871] I don't understand what this guy is saying?

[872] But now I'm like, okay.

[873] Okay.

[874] I understand that some people like different things than me. Yeah.

[875] Um, but I think when it comes to music, like there's some people who I think genuinely just aren't really into music, which offends me because I'm really into music and I love music.

[876] And people who sort of, I feel like there's some people who just turn it on and it's noise and they're like, this is the popular thing.

[877] I'm just going to listen to it.

[878] That's what I mean by no taste.

[879] It's not like, um, people who are like, I don't have anything against country.

[880] It's not what I listen to in my spare time, but I totally understand and respect why people.

[881] like country music.

[882] And there's some that I like, no, there's some that I like.

[883] Do you like Sturgle Simpson?

[884] I don't know who that is.

[885] Say yes.

[886] You know what, dude, I was, I was watching your podcast the other day and you didn't know who Wilco was.

[887] I didn't.

[888] That's weird.

[889] Why is it weird?

[890] Like, I know.

[891] I know who it is now.

[892] Wilco's been around for a long time.

[893] They're really well known what a great story though.

[894] Yeah, beautiful.

[895] That was a beautiful story.

[896] Listening to that music on headphones, riding a bike next to wild horses and crying because he was so happy because it was such an amazing moment because the song was playing.

[897] I think he was buzzed too.

[898] He's always drunk.

[899] He's probably drunk.

[900] I can just assume he's I'm worried about him.

[901] Are you really?

[902] His face looks like a cherry.

[903] He was watching.

[904] Is he listening right now?

[905] I hope so.

[906] I was watching two bears one cave the other day and Bert was on with Tom and Tom looks like a fucking athlete.

[907] He's like lost all this weight.

[908] He's fit.

[909] He works out twice a day now and Bert has assumed all of Tom's bad habits and ramped his up as well.

[910] Why do you think that is?

[911] I mean, if you don't feel comfortable, you don't have to talk specifically about him.

[912] But, like, why do you people, like, people who sort of, who fall into alcoholism or not taking care of themselves.

[913] And maybe they did at some point, and then they just stop.

[914] Because I, and I say that, like, I'm thinking of people that I know in my head.

[915] I'm not, I don't know Bert, so I'm not talking about him.

[916] But, like, people who are, like, you were sort of okay.

[917] And now you're, like, a daily, like, you get drunk every day.

[918] I don't know.

[919] Well, Bert likes to party.

[920] Well, I love to party, and that's never, like, and I, I genuinely, like, I, but I do.

[921] I love, like, I love drinking.

[922] I love to party, but I'm super organized about it.

[923] Like, I'm super, like, I work all these days, and then I can go out Thursday night, and I kind of try to, like, fuck off a bit on the weekends, just because otherwise I would work all the time, so I try to, like, not check my emails and not go on social media and stuff like that.

[924] But I still do.

[925] I often will end up working sometimes on, like, Sunday night or Friday night.

[926] night or something like that but like i don't want to be drunk every day i love drinking i love to party but i do not want to be drunk or fucked up every day well bert works a lot the thing about bird is you can't say partying is fucking up his career because it's done the opposite like partying has united him with other partiers who come to see him but doesn't he feel like shit when he wakes up in the morning i would imagine he doesn't feel good but he does a lot of ivs he does a lot of like vitamin in IVs and you know apparently he told me we were hanging out the other day he got his liver done he got his uh his blood work done his liver's okay okay good that's great to hear i'm worried about him i'm genuinely worried about him because he's almost 50 and he goes hard and you know he's very overweight and he decided that when his tour was over he was going to slow way down and he's going to get in shape so he documented it on instagram he documented the size of his gut size of his chest, his weight, he put all that stuff down and he's going to show measured improvement.

[927] Because I think he's off, at the end of this month, he's off for three months.

[928] So for three whole months, he's just going to exercise and try to eat right.

[929] I feel like it would be really hard to stay in shape and eat healthy if you were on the road all the time.

[930] You can probably speak to this.

[931] But like even when I used to, before COVID, I was traveling probably once a month for work, like to go to a talk or something.

[932] And it ends up being.

[933] a week and then like I can't if I'm traveling for work I'm not working out I'm not exercising I'm eating on the plane I'm buying a sandwich at Starbucks like I can't like I have to be home to maintain like a healthy lifestyle healthy for me but you know like I go I work out four days a week with a trainer and I work really hard not because not out of self -motivation I'm not self -motivated at all that's why I have a trainer my trainer is excellent his name is Chris at Kilombo and Sayalida.

[934] He is, he's so awesome.

[935] I was telling you about him earlier.

[936] Like, he's not only, I mean, he was a really good boxer.

[937] He trained with Canelo.

[938] He's, like, a really good at Jiu -Jitsu.

[939] He competes.

[940] But he's also, like, he's really into training.

[941] Like, he loves it.

[942] He loves teaching people things.

[943] Like, he loves to, like, see people improve.

[944] And he, if I don't, like, I go to training because he'll be disappointed if I don't show up.

[945] Like, and he pushes me really hard, harder than I would ever push myself um if i was partying i wouldn't go like that's the other thing is if i if i'm out getting wasted i'm not going to be able to get any work done the next day and i'm not going to exercise and i'm going to eat bad like it really fucks up you're doing 11 shots i take fridays off i have it's because i have a plan so thursday night i'm being serious thursday night is karaoke night it's my favorite night of the week it's like run by my friend zack you do it every thursday every single thursday and that bar It's across the street from my house.

[946] I can't not go.

[947] I'd be sitting inside my house listening and be like, oh, there's my friend singing Pearl Jam.

[948] Like, so I may as well just go.

[949] But I also love it.

[950] But that one day week, the bar stays open until 5 a .m. Instead of 2 a .m., instead of 2 a .m. for karaoke night.

[951] So I am up until 5, 6 a .m. every single Thursday.

[952] So Fridays, I don't work out.

[953] I don't plan work stuff.

[954] Like, I don't schedule interviews.

[955] I plan to be in bed until 5 p .m. You've, this is really interesting, you've kind of cultivated this very idealic life there.

[956] It's very, it's very romantic.

[957] Like you're a writer, you're up late at night, you're drinking all the time.

[958] Like, there's something about drinking and writing that seem to go hand in hand.

[959] You know, like some of my favorite writers were drunks.

[960] I don't, okay, I agree with you, but I don't drink if I'm writing.

[961] Yeah, you don't have to.

[962] Like if I'm working, I'm not, like I'll have a glass of wine.

[963] Like, I have a glass of wine every night or two glasses.

[964] testify every night, but I don't get, like, drunk.

[965] But it's, I do, I love my life.

[966] It's amazing.

[967] Like, I really wish I made more money because, like, I don't have any, like, savings.

[968] I don't own anything, but it's, like, I, all my friends in BC are depressed.

[969] Well, you're a really good writer, you know, and I think it's a matter of time before you do make more money, but maybe it's just also the way you're doing it is kind of interesting, too, with the Patreon or the substack and that kind of setup.

[970] That's a very honest way to live, though.

[971] You know, people are only paying you for what they like it's their choice their decision you know totally it's I I don't yeah like anybody can just donate money to me if they support my work and they do and I find that really like kind of amazing and generous because I don't know if I do that like and I great relationship yeah and I mean and it's and it's liberating for me I just do what I want to do like I write about what I want to write about I think about what's important to me I talk people I find interesting.

[972] Tell me what your substack is, so just so they can find you.

[973] It's called the same drugs, but I think it's just Megan Murphy, like, at substack or whatever.

[974] Megan, with an age.

[975] And it's pretty new, but I, like, I, like, writing is what I want to do.

[976] I don't have enough time to write as much as I want to write because I spend so much time on the podcast and the video stuff and just doing admin work and blah, blah, blah.

[977] Do you think that drinking, there's something about drinking that formulating, that formulates, ideas in my head that don't seem to want to be there without drinking like there's times with drinking like bumps you or shoves you into an area of thought where you're laughing about something that maybe you wouldn't have a like what is and you like for conversation it's like one of the greatest things for conversation when you're out with some friends and you're drinking whiskey and you're like two drinks in and everyone's laughing and then someone just goes why is this a thing and And then it's like, I know that's coming from his mind.

[978] I know it's all coming from our minds, but there's a part of your mind that opens up when you're drinking.

[979] Yep.

[980] I mean, I think, yeah, I feel like you can make certain connections or observations about social things as well when you're drinking.

[981] But obviously, like, it loosens people up to be more themselves.

[982] Yeah.

[983] They're like they don't, they're not as aware of what they're doing.

[984] They're not as self -conscious.

[985] They're not as protective.

[986] You know, they're going to be more open.

[987] And I love that about, like, I love going to the bar and, like, talking to the person who's sitting next to me. Right.

[988] I like meeting people at the bar.

[989] Like, in Sayulita, I would have never done this in Vancouver.

[990] In Saulita, I just go out by myself.

[991] Because, I mean, it's a small community, so I know lots of people, and I know if I go to the bar.

[992] I'm probably going to see a friend.

[993] But even if I don't, like, I'll just go sit at the bar and, like, the person next to me will start talking to me and they'll be cool and I'll learn something and they'll be interesting.

[994] And that's so not the culture.

[995] I would have felt so embarrassed to go to a bar by myself.

[996] Like, men did that in Vancouver.

[997] Men go sit at bars by themselves, but to be a woman and go sit at a bar by themselves.

[998] Like, you're going to feel awkward and stupid and embarrassed.

[999] Everyone in Vancouver is so judging you, too.

[1000] And you'll feel like people assume you want to be hit on or you're desperate.

[1001] You have no friends.

[1002] Right, right.

[1003] And it's not, like, I like it.

[1004] I have friends, and I like being by myself.

[1005] I like going out to eat by myself.

[1006] Sounds like you're in a great community.

[1007] Yeah, it sounds like it's great.

[1008] perfect for you and people aren't people are not like people don't care what your politics are nobody knew what i did or who i was there for until i did your podcast and they couldn't hide it anymore that i was a bigot but it was so it was really beautiful because i you know i had been so ostracized in vancouver because of the gender identity stuff like i I mean, for people who don't know, because I'm critical of gender identity, and I don't think men can become women, and I want to protect women's rights and protect kids.

[1009] You know, people in Vancouver, a lot of people just ghosted me. Some people said, I can't hang out with you anymore.

[1010] You can't come to my birthday party because my friend hates you because she thinks you're a transphob.

[1011] Like, friends of friends who don't know me at all would basically bully my friends into, not hanging out with me um and i was so angry i was a little bit hurt but more just like fuck you you fucking pussy like you know it's so that is so disrespectful like it's you don't disagree with me you don't dislike me but you don't you're worried about what your friends will think and so you're like and and they behaved as though i was causing trouble in their lives because they would end up in these arguments with their friends or you know in a position where they were being asked to defend me or being asked to condemn me and it made things stressful for them and they blamed me so they would be like you know this is you're making things really hard for me and I'm like I'm not doing anything um but in say Alita like I did your podcast and I came back and everybody was just like really proud of me like it didn't matter what I said and a lot of people agreed with me maybe some people didn't they were like good for you that you did a really good job like they're so sweet Megan is people agree with you in silence They agree with you in hushed tones and whispers.

[1012] You know, they'll say it at the water cooler when no one's around like, she's fucking, she's got a point about certain things.

[1013] Like, especially when it comes to, like, athletic competition, this is one that's dividing the country right now.

[1014] It's like this thing where someone can decide or identify as a woman and compete against biological women.

[1015] And it turns out the standard, that you have to achieve to do that are different everywhere it's different with the Olympics it's different with certain organizations won't accept trans athletes certain ones will certain ones you you all you have to do is identify you don't have to have any proof of what you're doing and it's just especially when it comes to like high school sports and college sports like you are now competing with someone who's trying to get a scholarship and if someone is an elite athlete So say if a woman is an elite athlete in a certain sport and she has fucking been grinding it out her whole life and then some biological male comes along and identifies as a woman and then a year later is competing against women and has almost supernatural advantages and this is what we're seeing and it doesn't make you a bigot to say that.

[1016] This is what's so fucked up about this whole thing.

[1017] It's like you can be an open minded, compassionate person who also sees the truth.

[1018] Where the rubber hits the road, in my eyes, is when there's clear classifications of male or female in sports is a great example.

[1019] There's a clear classification.

[1020] The men don't compete against the women because they have an advantage.

[1021] We agree to that from the beginning.

[1022] And we've always known that because otherwise these categories wouldn't exist.

[1023] And women wouldn't have sports if we didn't know that and we didn't decide if women are going to to play sports competitively, if women are going to compete, they have to have their own category because they can't compete against men.

[1024] They'll lose.

[1025] It's not fair.

[1026] It's that simple.

[1027] It's not fair.

[1028] And I don't know what the solution is.

[1029] I don't think it's necessarily that the trans person should have to compete as a man. I don't think that's the answer either.

[1030] I don't think there's enough trans people for trans people to compete as trans people, like to win a trans division.

[1031] I don't think that's the solution either.

[1032] I don't know what the solution is.

[1033] I don't know what the is, but I do know that there's rules when it comes to competition.

[1034] One of the rules is you can't take performance -enhancing drugs, right?

[1035] Like, if you're a person and you want to compete in certain sports, they blood test you.

[1036] They'll vata -test you.

[1037] They'll make sure that you're not doing anything.

[1038] Well, if you're, let's say, if you're a female -to -male, transgender person, right?

[1039] So you're a trans man and you want to be competing with other men, we really, really, don't hear about that and we're really not upset at that like no one no one's complaining about that happening right but if that person did want to complain here's what they would say this person has exogenous testosterone that's not derived from human beings it's derived from wild yams okay so we do a carbon isotope I think that's what it is it's some it's more complicated tests it's not just recognizing the levels of the test it's recognizing where the testosterone comes from We have synthetic testosterone in your system.

[1040] That's absolutely illegal.

[1041] Well, if you have synthetic estrogen in your system, is that okay?

[1042] And how much testosterone are you allowed to have?

[1043] Because there's a guy named Derek.

[1044] He runs this YouTube show, more plates, more dates.

[1045] And he was going over thresholds because he was talking about that woman, the swimmer from Leah Thomas.

[1046] And he was going over thresholds.

[1047] He's like the thresholds that, like, we're in certain sports where they test and they say, okay you can compete as a woman are like way higher than most women are normally exactly exactly I mean it's so weird but you can still compete as a woman yeah but if you're a woman you were on steroids they wouldn't let you compete yeah this is my point it's like something's off like it's not this is not fair it's but it has nothing to do with someone's identity like if you it's not your identity doesn't matter it's it's also it's I don't want to change that I want to affect what your name is or what your pronouns are any of that shit I don't care.

[1048] I'm just saying in this thing, we have to recognize.

[1049] This is not, it's not, boom, you're a woman, abrogadabra.

[1050] It's not a magic wand.

[1051] There's some fucking gray area.

[1052] And if you don't want to admit that, if you want, you, you want to pretend that that doesn't exist, well, now we're in a cult.

[1053] Now we're, we're ideologically bound to these ideas where you can't even discuss, like there's a lot of people.

[1054] Or you can't discuss reality and you can't tell the truth.

[1055] Exactly.

[1056] But it's, you can't ask questions even.

[1057] Yes, you can't say it.

[1058] You can't discussed it.

[1059] Okay, the solution is that if you're male, you have to compete in the male category, and if you're female, you have to compete in the female category.

[1060] There's no other solution.

[1061] The idea of creating a trans category would be fine in theory, but there's not enough trans people for that to make sense.

[1062] And my opinion is that if you want to be an athlete, if you want to compete, then you make a decision about whether or not you want to take hormones.

[1063] And if you're taking hormones, you can't compete, just like everybody else.

[1064] Like, it's, you can be trans if you want, but that might take you out of the competition.

[1065] So you choose what's more important to you.

[1066] And I'm not, I'm not saying that to be mean, but there's no other solution.

[1067] If you're a male, if you've gone through puberty, you have an advantage.

[1068] Your body is totally different.

[1069] Like, I just interviewed Taylor Silverman, who is that, a skateboarder, a female skateboarder, and she lost first place to a so -called trans woman.

[1070] so a male who was identifying as a woman.

[1071] And it was a Red Bull contest, and she contacted Red Bull privately.

[1072] Like, she wasn't trying to make a big show of anything.

[1073] She's, like, a wonderful young woman.

[1074] She's, like, super articulate, super respectful, super smart.

[1075] And she's not, like, making a ton of money off of skateboarding.

[1076] She's 27 years old.

[1077] She's not going to be doing this forever.

[1078] She spoke out because she felt it wasn't fair.

[1079] And what she told, she was like, you know, this might affect, if I have kids one day, it might affect my daughter.

[1080] Like, this doesn't really affect me that much.

[1081] She contacted Red Bull privately and said, hey, this happened.

[1082] I don't think this is fair.

[1083] Like, this, you know, I lost out on $2 ,000.

[1084] Like, I should have been in first place.

[1085] A bunch of other stuff.

[1086] Red Bull totally ignored her.

[1087] So she posted on social media.

[1088] She got a ton of traction, a ton of attention, and a ton of support.

[1089] And it's like, maybe some people think about skateboarding.

[1090] And they're like, well, what advantage does a man have over a woman in skateboarding?

[1091] but like your hips move differently like you're jumping you're like I don't skateboard so I'm not going to explain this as well as somebody who's skate but you know there there are advantages and differences in all sorts of subtle ways as well as in very obvious ways when we're talking about sports like track swimming MMA like Jesus Christ like you're beating people up well that's where I came into the conversation yeah when that thing was happening where there was a trans woman who was a male for 30 years who was only transitioned within the last two years and was not telling anybody and saying that it was a medical issue.

[1092] So she fought two different women that were biological females and beat the fuck out of them.

[1093] And that's when I stepped in.

[1094] I was like, you're out of your fucking mind.

[1095] This is crazy because I've been around martial arts my whole life.

[1096] There's a giant difference.

[1097] There's a giant difference to men and women.

[1098] The big one is power.

[1099] The difference is so stark.

[1100] It's so different.

[1101] Like if you got a power, powerful person, like someone who's a really hard striker, like a Tyron Woodley.

[1102] If Tyron Woodley transitioned to be female, how much are you going to deplete him where it's not the most ruthless execution every time he steps into the cage?

[1103] It's disgusting.

[1104] Because there's just a different.

[1105] He's too big for most women.

[1106] He's 170 pounds.

[1107] He was one of the best welterweight champions in the UFC.

[1108] But if someone was like smaller, like 135, pounds like there's women that can beat men don't make no mistake about it and we we talked about it in the m -m -a or do you mean like a woman who's skilled could beat a man who's not no women in m -ma jureen germane durandumie is a multiple -time world kickboxing champion moitai champion she was ufc featherweight champion she's a fucking savage and she fought a man in a boxing match how big is she like how tall she's tall she's very tall i believe she's like 5 -11 and real long and very wiry and strong and she's a phenomenal striker.

[1109] Okay, so is that like about skill?

[1110] Yeah, totally.

[1111] Watch her, knock this too.

[1112] I'm like, I'm really into MMA now.

[1113] I mean, I know that I don't know what I, because I text you and I'm like, why did this person win?

[1114] This is Jermaine.

[1115] I'm a big fan of her.

[1116] She's got a lightning bolt right hand.

[1117] So she's fighting a dude.

[1118] And the dude is not on her level.

[1119] Definitely not on her level.

[1120] But he's still a fucking dude.

[1121] She's awesome.

[1122] And look, I mean, he's club.

[1123] He hit her with a big fucking shot there.

[1124] She's amazing.

[1125] Clubbed her in the break.

[1126] Dude, she's a demon.

[1127] You got to watch her fight.

[1128] she has like one of the most technical stand -up games in all of MMA today she's really good on her feet really good look at that right hand and so this dude is just awesome like she's like in there like she's yeah she's good so watch it here keep no no no you almost had it you almost had it to where the KO is okay this is it right here it goes into this corner to this court yeah that's when they're gonna go to this corner in the left and that's where the CAO happens but it's really crazy because the guy was hurting her I mean he was really like here it is one two three and watch this watch this perfect right hand because the dude's swarming on her right and as soon as they break feet bam dude I mean that is fucking picture perfect that dude got wrecked I mean but that's the kind of technique why did she get to fight a dude how did this happen?

[1129] It's not in America where is it?

[1130] I believe it's in Holland and was it like she was like I want to fight a dude or how did this?

[1131] She knew was good she just said i'll fucking fuck you up bitch yeah so she agreed to fight a guy but that also happened with one of the great women boxers of the 80s and 90s this woman named lucia reiker and lucia riker was also a world moiety champion and she was the most dangerous female boxer for years and they were always trying to set her up with christie martin remember christie martin the coal miner's daughter she was like a famous female boxer did she ever she wrote a booker an autobiography or something like that i think you're thinking of the singer What's that woman's name?

[1132] Thinking of a singer.

[1133] No, I'm thinking of a boxer.

[1134] I just am thinking.

[1135] Oh, my God.

[1136] That's not what I'm thinking of.

[1137] Is that Dolly Part usually?

[1138] Clearly, I don't know what this person is.

[1139] But isn't their original song?

[1140] Well, I would imagine she's singing, and I'm not sure who that is.

[1141] I don't want to double down on this because it's not what I was thinking of a boxer who was a woman who wrote a book.

[1142] So this was my point.

[1143] They never, they never fought, but everybody always felt like Lucia Riker was the better boxer.

[1144] Like people that were martial arts enthusiasts and boxers, they thought that Lucia Riker was the woman, the one to beat.

[1145] So she fought a dude, but she got knocked out.

[1146] And it's rough because it's the same sort of situation.

[1147] See if you can find that.

[1148] I mean, I feel like these kinds of things would be the things where people are like, well, I guess women can compete against men.

[1149] So why are we keeping trans women?

[1150] But this is an exception.

[1151] She's an outlier of all outliers.

[1152] She's a, I mean, Germain de Randemey is a multiple -time world chance.

[1153] She's elite.

[1154] Like when I watch her hit the pads, it's like I could just, wow, it's like beautiful.

[1155] Ta -da -bang!

[1156] Like everything is smooth.

[1157] When she's moving in, it's like, you're watching a fucking executioner.

[1158] Amazing.

[1159] It's beautiful to watch.

[1160] But that's an outlier.

[1161] That's the top of the food chain.

[1162] Yeah.

[1163] That's literally right here, world champion.

[1164] Yeah.

[1165] Everybody else is fucked because Lucia Reicher was a world champion.

[1166] And the guy that she fought was not.

[1167] He was just not.

[1168] He was okay, but he was, no way was he in the level that she was.

[1169] Look at this.

[1170] And that's Lucille Reiker.

[1171] And she gets, she gets cracked somewhere in there.

[1172] This is a Muay Thai fight, that's right.

[1173] And she gets, she gets caoed.

[1174] And as a woman, she was just one of the, actually this dude is a lot better than I give him credit for.

[1175] She's so intense.

[1176] The dude is a lot better than I gave credit for it.

[1177] I'm thinking it's something different here.

[1178] I might have confused this.

[1179] There it is right there, there it is.

[1180] There it is.

[1181] She gets ca -oed.

[1182] That guy's a lot better than I thought he was.

[1183] You know, I think I lot, I think when I first saw this, I was probably upset that he knocked her out, and I probably disparaged his skill.

[1184] You're like, he shouldn't know one, she's better.

[1185] But that was a beautiful left hand.

[1186] I'm definitely, and another one, that was, yeah, I mean, that guy's good.

[1187] I'm wrong.

[1188] Do you think that the guy's like, how often does this happen where men and women?

[1189] Very, rarely.

[1190] Yeah, I've never seen it.

[1191] That's an example.

[1192] They probably both weigh the same.

[1193] weight but the amount of power that that guy had like that left hook it's funny because she looks bigger than him I mean maybe she's taller well she's also wearing a t -shirt she looks bigger and like tougher than he does like he looks tiny but maybe that's just because you expect men to be bigger and this is shit grain footage right it's not that good oh so he's a tie as well she versus he some chai Jai D yeah it's from New Zealand I mean but people people do like people who defend like trans women being able to compete against women in sport do use these like random examples where it's like oh you mean to random me you know well so -and -so can't is faster or so -and -so beat so -and -so but it's like that's not common and and to me like the sports thing is so great and interesting because it reaches every normal person who was not engaged in the debate around gender identity which was primarily for so long it really was like I don't think people knew this but it was really it was radical feminist like Janice Raymond wrote a book about transgenderism and how it was like dangerous to women and women's rights in 1979 what yes it's called the transsexual empire I didn't know and it's a good book it's interesting I didn't know that it was that big of a political issue back then and then like Gloria Steinem in the late 70s I think said Um, something critical about, there was like a tennis player, a male tennis player.

[1194] Winnie Richards.

[1195] They used to call them, okay, I think you're right.

[1196] I remember really bad with names, so I apologize.

[1197] I'm like, oh yeah, the coal miner's daughter.

[1198] The one that transitioned?

[1199] Yeah.

[1200] Yeah, that was a famous story.

[1201] And she was critical.

[1202] Glorice Dinem was critical of that publicly.

[1203] You know, she was critical of this idea of transgenderism.

[1204] Like, she was like, you shouldn't change to fit the gender stereotypes of the world.

[1205] I'm fully paraphrasing this is not what she said.

[1206] She said something critical.

[1207] She retracted it in later years because she was bullied into it.

[1208] But, you know, this debate was happening in the late 70s and 80s, and radical feminists were like not having it at all.

[1209] Like, it's only recently that all these so -called feminists started to come around and say trans women or women.

[1210] And even then, the radical feminists are the ones that have been fighting this for so long.

[1211] Julie Bendell, who is a UK journalist, wrote an article in 2000.

[1212] for the Guardian about what happened at Vancouver rape relief, which is a, it's a rape crisis line and a transition house for women escaping domestic abuse.

[1213] And a trans woman, Kimberly Nixon, came to training for counselors.

[1214] So counselors who were there at the house, like working with women who were escaping serious domestic abuse and sexual assault.

[1215] and the women who are doing the training were like you know sorry you're a man only women are allowed to train his counselors here they only had women employees volunteers only women are allowed in the house and Kimberly Nixon took them to court to the human rights tribunal Vancouver rape release went all the way to the Supreme Court and won they won the right to determine their own membership they didn't win you know trans women are men and Julie Bindle wrote about that case in 2004 like radical feminists were trying to warn people about what was happening and what was going to happen if we allowed this to go on and nobody listened and now it's like almost too late and you know whatever this is how things go and nobody listens to radical feminists this is like a very marginal political movement yeah um but like it's it's very frustrating to me because now we're seeing I don't want to categorize people because I was going to say right wing men but I like a lot of right wing men there's a lot of right wing people who are great a lot of people who really do care about women's rights but we're seeing some right wing men like showing up online and being like where are all the feminists on this issue how come I'm the only person brave enough to say that men aren't women and speak up and it's like dude we have been trying to be heard I couldn't get anything published on this.

[1216] Like, when Bill C -16, Canada's gender identity legislation showed up, the liberals were trying to push it through in 2016, I pitched to everywhere to say, these are my concerns with regard specifically to the impact on women's rights.

[1217] These are the issues I have with this ideology.

[1218] I think it's regressive.

[1219] I think it's sexist.

[1220] I think it's dangerous.

[1221] Nobody would publish anything.

[1222] The Canadian media would not have me on.

[1223] they would not interview me every single event that we tried to plan we'd you know get threatened the venues would pull out this happened in the UK this happened in the US um it you know I just I'm so grateful that I had my own platform on my own website so that I could write about this stuff and so that I could interview women who were doing work on this issue and interview people who are experts because otherwise I wouldn't I don't know where I would have said any of this stuff like we finally pushed and pushed and pushed and pushed to host talks and that forced the media to cover it a bit but like I don't know why I started complaining about this except that it makes me really mad that's why I don't know who I was talking to about this but the conversation essentially was we this person I was talking to whoever it was I forgive them I forgive me please She was saying that the problem becomes a lot of people that are women who have these groups that are dedicated just to women.

[1224] And then a trans woman will come in these groups and behave like a man and bring like a man's attitude to this thing.

[1225] And she's like, it's specific and it's not discussed.

[1226] So it's this thing that happens where they start acting male.

[1227] For lack of a better term.

[1228] So, like, she was talking about taking over things, running things, like, being, like, very outspoken and aggressive with their opinions about things in almost an intimidating way.

[1229] Yeah.

[1230] A way like a man does it.

[1231] Yeah.

[1232] There was a fucking anti -abortion or anti -pro -choice rally.

[1233] And this trans woman was screaming with the deepest voice, keep your laws out of my pussy.

[1234] Oh, my God.

[1235] but it was so wild and that's just like domineering behavior like I don't they weren't even trying to hide I mean it was such a masculine voice well and that's I'm like I'm like I don't believe that you believe it like those I'm like you don't think you're a woman give me a break you're just being a bully that might be like a louder with Crowder sketch yeah I mean a lot of it seems like satire and it's hard to tell which is satire and which is real it's very hard to tell that's the problem is the things are getting blurry but I do I think a lot of men you know identify as women or trans women specifically so that they can act like bullies not all of them some people just want to be themselves and that's fine go be yourself I don't care but like so that you can insert yourself into spaces in conversation and take over I think that the kind of men who identifies women or trans women who go into women's change rooms or bathrooms I or like the there was that guy at the spa in...

[1236] Yeah, in L .A. L .A. You know, I think that they're...

[1237] They want to make women feel uncomfortable.

[1238] You know that you're making women feel...

[1239] You're parading around naked in a change room, in a women's change room, or, like, a woman -only spa.

[1240] You know that you're making people feel uncomfortable and you're doing it anyway.

[1241] Like, you're an asshole, and you're a pervert.

[1242] Well, you can't say that.

[1243] Well, I...

[1244] You can't say that, like...

[1245] Or you can have that opinion.

[1246] You're going to get in trouble.

[1247] But...

[1248] Sorry, I hope I don't get that.

[1249] get you in trouble.

[1250] What is this?

[1251] Unhinged, a hairy armpit individual with green hair, chance, keep your laws out of my pussy.

[1252] Is that that it?

[1253] Uh, I don't believe so.

[1254] Okay.

[1255] I bet there was more of those.

[1256] Oh, there's a lot.

[1257] That's a real woman.

[1258] That's I couldn't tell.

[1259] That could be a woman that does CrossFit.

[1260] All right.

[1261] She doesn't look in that good shape, or he.

[1262] No, she doesn't, but if she's an overweight woman who does a lot of overhead presses, it's possible if that's a woman.

[1263] There is some women who look mannish in the MMA, for example.

[1264] Up to a fucking certain level.

[1265] Yeah.

[1266] to a level you sit them next to yoel romero you know who's the fucking woman i find it hilarious that when trans activists pretend that nobody can tell like oh well you probably had trans women in your bathroom your whole life you didn't know and it's like everybody knows you know who a man is you know who a woman is like there's very few that like are sort of ambiguous but for the most part it's obvious and sometimes it's not even oh would you like some more ricaa just last sip no No. That's okay.

[1267] That's okay.

[1268] You can try it another time.

[1269] It's nasty.

[1270] This is actually good.

[1271] I don't, it's good.

[1272] Anyway.

[1273] But the thing is you can't even have that on the table.

[1274] When you leave, when you have an open door, right?

[1275] You say all you do is identify and then you can be around these people.

[1276] You must open the door to the possibility of the pervert going to go in there.

[1277] If you want to pretend that to be trans excludes the possibility of you being a pervert, that's crazy.

[1278] It's totally possible that someone could say they identify as trans.

[1279] I'm not saying that people are doing this.

[1280] I'm saying it's totally possible.

[1281] This must be considered.

[1282] And people have been, you know, people have been assault.

[1283] You know, biological males have gone into females' bathrooms and assaults of them.

[1284] It's a fucked up individual more than it is indicative of trans people overall.

[1285] It's not a, yeah, it's not about trans.

[1286] I'm not saying like it's about trans people being predators.

[1287] It's about some males who are predators and use.

[1288] that as a way to get away with it.

[1289] There was also something, I forget who told me this, too.

[1290] It might have been Bridget, autogyanophilia.

[1291] Mm -hmm.

[1292] This is what I, when I say pervert or when I say fetishist, like, I know it sounds offensive, like, if I'm like, these men are men with fetishes.

[1293] Like, men who, there's research on this.

[1294] Men who transition when they're younger tend to be gay men.

[1295] I think it's Ray Blanchard that did this research tend to be gay men and men who transition when they're older, middle -aged, tend to be heterosexual men with fetishes with like what might be called cross -dressing fetishes.

[1296] Like they're turned on by wearing women's clothes and by the idea of wearing women's clothes in public and by the idea of like passing as a woman.

[1297] Obviously none of them passes women.

[1298] but that it's a fetish and it's called autogonophilia and you know a lot of people have talked about this being part of the reason that transgenderism became mainstream became part of the LGBTQ activism stuff um and why they attach themselves to this born this way mantra like some people are just born trans and why this idea of trans kids exist like some kids are just born in the wrong body and some some babies are assigned male and in fact they're girls because these guys wanted to legitimize their fetishes and their preferred identities so they had to pretend that it was something innate they had to push this narrative that it was something innate that it wasn't just about them you know having this fetish for wearing how do how do you know that though how could you know that some people aren't born and they feel like they're in the wrong body like some boys who are born and they feel like I'm supposed to be a girl doesn't matter so you feel like you're supposed to be a girl you're not your boy like so what like I know I think that for some people then it's a it's a mental illness and we're not allowed to say that like if you're a male but is it absolutely a mental illness here's the question if someone is born male but they feel in every fiber they're being that they're supposed to be a woman and they're healthy every other way how are is that really mental illness or is there some wiring that should be male and it's female some some some not understood mechanism that make someone feel like they're a woman or feel like they're a boy okay so mental condition then don't call it mental illness call it a mental condition like if you're a male and you feel certain that you're actually supposed to be female you want to you hate your male body parts so much to such an extent that you cannot live comfortably you have to get rid of them and and to be clear go ahead and do that you're an adult you have the right to get cosmetic surgeries i think that surgeons should be more accountable and culpable and like warn people about the dangers and about the fact that they might not be able to orgasm again or it might be mangled like these are real serious dangerous surgeries but you know that's a mental condition Just like if you were a man and you believe so strongly, like there's those people that get like, you know, lizard, you know, they get like bone, like, what are those implants in their foreheads?

[1299] And they like.

[1300] Have you ever seen the black alien project?

[1301] Yes.

[1302] Have you seen him lately, Jamie?

[1303] He chopped off two of his fingers to try to emulate what he believes would be an alien claw.

[1304] So in one of his hands, he only has two fingers.

[1305] And I think he's going to do it to the other hand too.

[1306] What is that?

[1307] And now he's also, uh, implanted all these beads all over his arm.

[1308] So he has like a spiral of beads over his arm.

[1309] Like what is that?

[1310] Look at his right hand.

[1311] What is this?

[1312] Like why would somebody do this?

[1313] Look what he's doing to his arm.

[1314] But he's turning himself into like an alien.

[1315] Like this should be like whoever, whatever surgeon is doing this to him, I think is unethical.

[1316] It's really, did he chop off his top finger to us or he tucking it in?

[1317] Oh, there he is.

[1318] Yeah.

[1319] You know, he's got two fingers on one hand.

[1320] But like, look at this, everything about him.

[1321] Do you think this person was traumatized?

[1322] as a child something happened yeah you know what's interesting there's photos of him when he was younger before he got all this stuff done and he's a good looking guy it's like what he's doing is like really bizarre like he was like gifted by nature with great genetics look he's got his eyeballs tattooed yeah this is what i was talking about the nose thing like he's like yeah he's got his nose removed yeah he just has an open hole yeah where his nose used to be it's so crazy like that's what he looks like and is this because he believes that he's actually an alien or he just body modification project i believe he's he i think he speaks spanish is that what it is yeah yeah he speak spanish um so it's you have to i feel like this person must have severe childhood trauma something's up i mean that is they've got his ears removed too oh jesus christ that is so crazy okay but i mean that's so goddamn crazy the so those cuts on the side must be where they put those brow implants lord holy fucking shit doing this to this man a lot of people i bet yeah i mean that's the other thing is oh there go work by my bro all right let's check out your bro oh look guys gets tongue split oh jesus christ who no what is that what is that i don't even know what bone that is that someone's back what is that what are we looking at what is it what is it say up there fresh works it says genital implants no no no why are we looking at it damn it they're looking at a dick this whole time oh go back go back to that oh my god so you only see the top of the dick so it's like side dick skin look how crazy That guy's got a hairy -ass dick I don't want to pluck those hair, son Look at that I thought that was like his back Do you think that he's having sex with people?

[1323] I bet that shit's gonna hurt I bet there's not that many people Well there's probably other weirdos Who are like I want to have sex with an alien They have dick butt plugs It's like a butt plug That's what it is He's turning his dick into a butt plug So it's got all those like humps That's what it is It's like beads You know people use anal beads For men, not for women.

[1324] It's for butts.

[1325] It might be for women.

[1326] No, women don't like anal sex, and this is a hill that I'm going to die on.

[1327] Women don't have a prostate.

[1328] Like, men and some women are so stupid about this thing because they're like, I like anal sex.

[1329] So women must like.

[1330] What the fuck, man?

[1331] What is the bottom of the eye ball?

[1332] He's got his eyeballs tattoo, but it looks like it.

[1333] Oh, they're tattooed.

[1334] Oh, my.

[1335] Wild colors That is awful It looks cool but that's crazy It looks cool for now What about you're in 90?

[1336] This I think this qualifies As self -harm Like I think it's the same concept But way more extreme of like cutting Well the thing about this one is This doesn't turn back You can't turn that around Nope Once you get your eyeballs tattooed Your eyeballs are tattooed forever That's crazy Yeah It's just like people are doing things to themselves And you know Whoa Oh, look at that girl.

[1337] Oh, my God.

[1338] I mean, I think a lot of this kind of thing is like trauma and then it's like attention and wanting to feel special and wanting.

[1339] Okay, I see.

[1340] All right.

[1341] Wait a minute, that guy with split tongue right there.

[1342] Hold on, go back.

[1343] That one right there.

[1344] What the fuck, man. So gross.

[1345] Oh, my God.

[1346] Jesus Christ, that is so crazy.

[1347] How do you think these people make a living?

[1348] Starbucks.

[1349] Caristas.

[1350] they're queer activists oh that was a means oh god sometimes I mean I'm saying all this while I'm covered in tattoos my arms are sleeved up yeah but I feel like tattoos I mean that's cross -cultural like people have always done that kind of thing I like tattoos I just don't like your eyeballs done and fucking bolts put it in your head but so to go back to that what we're talking about if someone feels like they've been a girl their whole life.

[1351] It doesn't make them actually a girl.

[1352] So you, so where does that, where should that preclude them from sports?

[1353] Should preclude them from women's bathrooms?

[1354] Like, I think it should preclude them from competing against and with women in sport.

[1355] I think, I mean, I don't know, I mean, the bathroom thing's funny because I don't know that they're like I feel like you know like if you're a man you don't go into women's bathrooms you don't want to make women feel scared or uncomfortable unless you do unless you're unless you that's what you're trying to do I don't think this is such a complicated issue as people are making it out to me I think everybody knows what bathroom they should go into prisons if you're male you've got to stay in the male prison you cannot be transferred to the female prison but how are you going to get anybody pregnant exactly If you're not, you don't get transferred to the female pregnant?

[1356] How are these women going to have babies?

[1357] It's not hilarious?

[1358] That one biological male got two women pregnant.

[1359] You're like, so, like, here's the question.

[1360] If you're a biological male and say you've transitioned and you want to be identified as a female and go to a female prison if you get arrested, are you, do you have to take estrogen?

[1361] No. So you could just stop taking estrogen.

[1362] I don't think you have to do anything.

[1363] I think you just have to identify as a woman and, like, apply and say, I'm a woman.

[1364] What a wacky move.

[1365] Because you can keep your dick and all your hormones and everything rock and roll.

[1366] And you can totally fully keep your dick.

[1367] Just slinging dick all over the cell block.

[1368] And in Canada, I know I've talked to women who have been in prison with men and there are sexual assaults that have gone on in women's prisons perpetrated by men.

[1369] How long have they been allowed them to do?

[1370] do that to go to women's prisons i don't know when it started exactly but at least a few years um and now obviously it's getting worse because this is like been further entrenched in the law so how did that happen do you think this is what's really interesting it's not just uh acceptance it's a celebration and like a um societal shaming of people who question it and talk about it like this is not a you know like there's people that are shitty people they don't like people for whatever reason whether they don't like gay people they don't like trans people they don't like all kinds of people but we're not i'm not even talking about that i'm talking about like just there's a mantra that almost you have to say like trans women or women and you say that and so if you don't say that and you even discuss it if you talk about things like hey you know that swimmer was number 462 with the men and now she's number one as a woman like maybe that's not fair like maybe if that was your kid going to that school you wouldn't think it's fair people would fucking blow up at you they'll get mad at you there's a certain amount of people that feel like this is their chance to show their loyalty to this ideology and they'll argue it like in a very aggressive way and it's interesting because like how many people are we talking about like how many people are we talking about like how How many people are, is this actually affecting where the discussion has gone through the entire culture?

[1371] It's really interesting in that way.

[1372] Like, so what happened and what, what rocketed that to the position that it's in now?

[1373] I mean, the prison issue specifically, I believe that was just about the Canadian government not wanting to deal with this problem.

[1374] And they're like, okay, sure, fine.

[1375] They're doing it here too, though.

[1376] Canada, they, you know, the Canadian government will not discuss or acknowledge that this is really happening, nor will the Canadian media.

[1377] You know, there are women, women who are ex -inmates who are fighting this.

[1378] And some, you know, women, you know, radical feminists who are fighting this.

[1379] But the Canadian government will not engage with them, will not acknowledge.

[1380] I mean, essentially, they've determined that protecting, you know, protecting themselves from controversy, protecting themselves from being, you know, attacked by trans activists or criticized or whatever, they're just going to let this happen.

[1381] And who cares what the result is for the women in prison who are having to share their cells with men who are impregnating them?

[1382] It's crazy.

[1383] Yeah.

[1384] I mean, they're just, they're being completely cowardly and completely.

[1385] unethical but it's so weird that that's made its way into law enforcement like that's what's weird to me and even the military like i've seen and and i've seen a lot of like special forces guys and navy seals and some like high level guys that are super upset with this super upset with this what's happening in the military wokeness making its way and woke language making its way into the military and they're like we're in the business like tim kennedy said this he said we are in the business of killing bad guys and anything that gets in the way of killing bad guys is not it's not something we're going to tolerate like they they're just not interested like you can't have that get to that level you have like these special forces guys who have to do these insane operations under extreme pressure very high likelihood of death and you can't have any bullshit there you have to have the best trained, most qualified, everything has to be accurate, everybody has to form as a unit.

[1386] You can't have any bullshit there.

[1387] And if you've got some ideological bullshit, like you have to say this, we have to have a certain amount of people that are that.

[1388] And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Not there.

[1389] Because that's the place where literal life or death is in the balance.

[1390] And you cannot be thinking about that nonsense.

[1391] Like imagine, you know how hard buds is for Navy SEALs?

[1392] It's like one of the most extreme tests that any military organization puts on a member.

[1393] If you can become a Navy SEAL, you are a highly distinguished human being who can do some things that most people can't do in terms of like your will, your ability to force your way through situations that are extremely difficult and uncomfortable.

[1394] You can't say with that we're going to lighten up our expectations because we like to have some trans seals.

[1395] Yeah, it cannot be about inclusivity.

[1396] Right.

[1397] It has to be only a meritocracy.

[1398] It has to only be the people that can fucking do it.

[1399] Yeah.

[1400] You know?

[1401] What a strange place for like wokeness to be inserted?

[1402] It's bizarre that it's discussed in the military, but they have discussed it.

[1403] They've discussed all kinds of like woke talk and people are pushing back against it because they're surprised that it was there.

[1404] I mean, you guys are the fucking hired killers.

[1405] You guys are the hired killers of the government.

[1406] You're talking woke.

[1407] Ridiculous.

[1408] But it's so interesting to me how it's accelerated and what Douglas Murray always.

[1409] talks about that for some reason when a civilization is near the end they become obsessed with gender yeah i mean it's partly an obsession with gender and then hedonism i think hedonism like i think that it's like i really i don't like using the word privilege because it's overused and it's used in the sort of weird ways to shut down conversation and to silence people and things like that but I think it's like too much privilege like you don't have enough real problems that you're worrying about people's gender identities like it's so stupid it's not real life it's just invented ideology like academic ideology um I think that it's like and I think that it's indulging in again fetishes like a lot of these they call themselves trans widows so women who have had husbands that have decided to transition while they're married and I've talked to some of these women and their stories are really heartbreaking you know and in those cases their stories are often like these guys start acting really like teenagerie and like get super narcissistic and like all of a sudden you know they get really superficial they're into clothes they want all the attention but often did you just say Cardassians no I want all the attention.

[1410] Interesting, because that's, that's Caitlin Jenner.

[1411] Yeah, exactly.

[1412] I don't.

[1413] I don't know.

[1414] My theory about Caitlin Jenner is like, all these chicks are getting all this attention.

[1415] Like, and Caitlin Jenner, like, I don't know if you watched, did you watch the Kardashians?

[1416] A little bit.

[1417] It was amazing how they would mock him.

[1418] When he would always just be, like, alone in a room upstairs watching TV.

[1419] They would all be, like, doing their thing and having fun without him.

[1420] Well, you know.

[1421] Ultimately, in the end, it seems like he's happier this way.

[1422] She's happier.

[1423] She's happier this way.

[1424] I'll say he.

[1425] You say she.

[1426] Okay.

[1427] She's, you know, she seems happier.

[1428] And she is getting a lot of attention.

[1429] I mean, you want to talk about a Titanic shift in attention.

[1430] I mean, it's a monstrous difference between, like, pre -transition and now.

[1431] There's a giant difference.

[1432] Like, all of a sudden, like, a center figure in culture.

[1433] I mean, and he is also one of those people who, like, he's talked about, like, trying on his, like, daughter's clothing.

[1434] Like, he's an autogunophile also, which is fine.

[1435] I mean, do whatever, but, like, but he's funny because he's, like, anti -woke.

[1436] Yeah.

[1437] And he's kind of critical of trans activism.

[1438] Well, definitely critical of transgender athletes in sports and wants to protect children.

[1439] Yeah.

[1440] It's similar to what you said.

[1441] Yeah.

[1442] Yeah.

[1443] I mean, he doesn't literally think he's a female.

[1444] This is how he wants to live his life and he feels better that way and fine.

[1445] Yeah.

[1446] But like he did, he started off trying on women's clothing and being turned on by it and then would like wear pantyhoes under his pants and, you know.

[1447] Shh, don't tell anybody.

[1448] I'm being naughty.

[1449] Exactly.

[1450] Here's the thing about wearing pantyhoes under your pants.

[1451] Who the fuck wants to wear panty hose?

[1452] Panneos are disgusting.

[1453] Right.

[1454] Women don't wear panty hose.

[1455] I know.

[1456] That's like the best argument for a fetish.

[1457] I was like, nobody wears panty hose.

[1458] Like, kill me to make me wear, like, I don't, like, gross.

[1459] Yeah.

[1460] You don't wear panty hose unless you're acting out some sort of a weird thing with your significant other way.

[1461] You pretend you to be a secretary.

[1462] Your role play.

[1463] Right, right.

[1464] Can I get you something, sir?

[1465] I don't know.

[1466] I've never done that before.

[1467] You never role played?

[1468] Oh, God.

[1469] I would like laugh.

[1470] Yeah, that's the part of the fun.

[1471] I can't take myself seriously in that kind of scenario and be like, I'm ill, Stephen.

[1472] I mean, karaoke, yeah, that's a, I'm just like want to sing Beatles.

[1473] That is a sign of wanting to be naughty, right?

[1474] If you were panios.

[1475] But isn't it also a sign of like.

[1476] It's like the guys who, I worked at like a video store in the a otts or whatever, and this guy would come in sometimes at night with a leather motorcycle jacket on.

[1477] and like flash, he was wearing lingerie underneath.

[1478] Whoa.

[1479] It's exhibitionism, fetishism, maybe autagonophilia.

[1480] But isn't it also like they connect pantyhose with being a woman, and if you wish you were a woman, maybe that's something you would be attracted to wearing.

[1481] Yeah, they have all these weird stereotypes.

[1482] You know, Kristen Beck used to be a Navy SEAL, transitioned.

[1483] Oh, yeah, you just, yeah.

[1484] Yeah.

[1485] And when Kristen was on the podcast, she actually talked.

[1486] about what that was like when she was first transitioning and she showed up at work with like big nails on and wearing a dress and everybody was like what the fuck is going on and like out of the blue yep out of the blue she just decided to go for it and then said look I'm the same person and talks in the same voice it's really wild right but then it's settled down and now is basically dresses I want to say like asexual but like a flannel shirt which like a lot of women wear flannel shirts jeans a lot of women wear jeans wasn't anything like definitely masculine or feminine about the way yeah i mean a lot of these men who transition to become women have these weird super old -fashioned stereotypes about what a woman is and what women dress like like i in vancouver mostly wore giant men's flannel shirts and like big men's boots and like jeans or like I wear like dirty converse and tube socks almost every day right so you could be transitioning yeah maybe I'm a boy if this was around when I was a kid like maybe I would have thought I was a boy because I was like a tomboy like I hated pink I didn't want to wear dresses it didn't want to do girl things I wanted to play with he man I like cut my hair short I wanted to hang out with the boys that's a problem that people are worried about with children that children are so malleable you know and some people they don't think you should be worried about it at all and they think you know you should allow people to discuss anything and everything with your child when it comes to gender when it comes to sexual identity all those things say whatever you want sexual orientation talk about it with the kids talk about it with the kids and other people like what the fuck are you talking about you're supposed to be teaching history you know and it it is a weird thing because children are so malleable well and also like why do teachers feel like they're the ones or feel entitled to like they're the ones who should be educating other people's children about their politics or their ideologies like this is not your job it's complex and it's also just as complex if i if my kid was going to school and there was a hardcore right wing teacher that was telling them that all gays are evil i would i would not want that in my my childhood either.

[1487] Or somebody was teaching them about like the Virgin Mary like immaculate conception.

[1488] Like is that okay?

[1489] Because essentially you're teaching kids your religion.

[1490] Like as far as I'm concerned, gender identity is like a version of religion.

[1491] It's just an idea.

[1492] It's all faith -based.

[1493] Like there's no there's no material reality.

[1494] There's no scientific basis for the idea that a man like you says, I'm a woman.

[1495] Oh, you're a woman.

[1496] Like what does that mean?

[1497] It means nothing.

[1498] It's all face, it's like, well, I believe him.

[1499] Okay, so it's faith -based.

[1500] This is a religion.

[1501] And you have to believe them.

[1502] It can never be someone's having a mental, a mental issue.

[1503] Yeah, maybe this person is even offensive to some people.

[1504] They don't even like the term gender dysphoria.

[1505] But that was a legitimate psychological term that they used to classify people that were having this issue.

[1506] Right.

[1507] I mean, now to be trans, you don't have to have so -called gender dysphoria.

[1508] I sort of think that term's imperfect myself because I sort of feel like it could be argued that everyone has some form of gender dysphoria because like say like I don't identify wholly with femininity.

[1509] Like there's parts of me that are feminine.

[1510] There's some like girl things that I like and there's lots of aspects of my personality that I think are kind of masculine.

[1511] Like what?

[1512] I'm not nurturing at all.

[1513] I don't like babies.

[1514] I don't.

[1515] I've never.

[1516] I'm not down with babies.

[1517] I've never wanted to have kids.

[1518] I've never desired it.

[1519] I don't really like...

[1520] I mean, some kids are cool.

[1521] I don't mean, like, you know, kids of personalities.

[1522] Like, I like some kids, other ones.

[1523] But I'm not...

[1524] I don't look at a baby and I'm like, ah, I'm like...

[1525] Got it.

[1526] I would rather look at a dog.

[1527] I love dogs.

[1528] I love dogs.

[1529] I think I'm...

[1530] I mean, I...

[1531] I'm kind of aggressive, by the way.

[1532] of like I'm kind of domineering like I'm I'm very rational that's like a stereotypically joking I'm not always very rational I mean I'm a Libro so that was a joke um I think like I don't take care of my boyfriends in any way at all like they take like maybe emotionally or like you know I'm affectionate and I'm loving but I don't like cook and clean um my boyfriends tend to like take care of me more than the other way around are you a boss bitch i'm not very easy is not a good thing though being a boss bitch is like a good lord i don't the rappers i feel like my i'm not i'm not like the kind of chick who's like really easy going in a relationship you're a lot of work i'm pretty difficult really and you seem to celebrate that well i can't help it it's just I don't think it's always a good thing it's like I'm just I want to talk everything through I want everything to be out in the open if I'm upset about something I can't not say it like you've probably noticed I'm not very good at not saying what I think and in a relationship that can be challenging like I feel like a lot of people I think it's a good thing I think you should be open and talk about things in a relationship but I feel like people who are able to maintain really long -term relationships and marriages often not always of course are the kinds of people who don't say everything they think and like don't feel like they need to be like I didn't like that like what's going on like I want to talk about this they're sort of like let things lie people and I'm not a let things lie person hmm got it so that's good if you want to be a social commentator because you're not going to bite your tongue yeah yeah and that's probably that makes sense because a lot of people don't want to experience the backlash that you've experienced for expressing your opinions on things yep yeah most people don't I mean what's interesting about like people go after you a lot people go after people like me people go after people who have platforms and share their opinions um and i don't think that they i don't know if a lot of people understand that it's like it's i think it takes a certain personality to do this like you have to be able to take a lot of flack and i think that most people don't do that And you have to be the kind of person who really, it's very, very, very important to say what you think and to like speak openly and to tell the truth.

[1533] And I think what I've learned in the past few years and I'm doing this work is that's not what most people feel.

[1534] Like a lot of people are content not saying what they think and not being authentic and not being honest.

[1535] Like that's not a need for them.

[1536] And for me, it's a need.

[1537] Like I would feel, I don't feel like I could function.

[1538] if I wasn't able to like fully be myself I know what you're saying yeah well that's I mean people have very specific personality traits that make them more effective at different jobs and for what you do it's a perfect personality for that job but I I know what you're saying you know in terms of you you you you know you're not necessarily like all the way feminine but no one that's not gender dysphoria I'm I mean this It's such a different thing than someone who really does think they're a man who happens to have a vagina.

[1539] I totally agree with you.

[1540] Like, I've never been, I've never been confused about whether I'm a woman or not.

[1541] My argument is that the term, because gender, people mess up gender and sex all the time.

[1542] Like, sex, when I'm talking about sex, I'm just talking about biology, you know, whether you're, you have a male or a female body.

[1543] To me, when I'm talking about gender, I'm talking about like sex stereotypes, so masculinity and feminine.

[1544] and those stereotypes that I was talking about before.

[1545] Like, you know, women are supposedly, like, nurturing and delicate and emotional and irrational and men are, and some of these are true because of evolution, like, to a certain extent, there's patterns, but people are not black and white.

[1546] You know, men are domineering, violent, rational, aggressive.

[1547] What else is there?

[1548] They like to jerk off during Zoom meetings.

[1549] Have any women been caught masturbating during Zoom meetings?

[1550] I do not think so.

[1551] I don't think so.

[1552] I don't think so.

[1553] That's what's wild, right?

[1554] Why are men more perverted than women?

[1555] Testosterone, for sure.

[1556] Yeah, for sure.

[1557] I think.

[1558] I mean, I don't know.

[1559] I've never been a woman.

[1560] Not yet.

[1561] It has to be.

[1562] You never know.

[1563] Never know.

[1564] It could happen.

[1565] But I think it's testosterone.

[1566] I think it makes, like, if you think about it's connected to aggression and sexuality.

[1567] Right?

[1568] So there's not much in a woman.

[1569] that's connected to being horny, but also to being aggressive.

[1570] Testosterone is really the only thing that does both of those things.

[1571] So do you think that it's like men have like more of an uncontrollable sexual urge?

[1572] I would have no idea.

[1573] Okay.

[1574] You know, I have to guess.

[1575] It's clearly a spectrum because there's men that aren't interested in sex at all, and there's men that are horny all the time, and it's the same with women.

[1576] That's true.

[1577] Yeah, I know.

[1578] I actually get really mad when people talk about like men have a high sexual libido and women have a low sexual libido and then that plays into this like kind of gatekeeping role that women are supposed to play like women have sexual power because they can choose not to have sex with a man and it's like women like to have sex too like I don't want to choose to not have sex with a man I want to have sex with a man like I'm a heterosexual woman I also desire sex like I don't want to be in this role where I'd say no to something that I actually want to do yeah but it's also it's not like it's a one way street and yeah and there are there's I like I have friends who've had boyfriends who like didn't feel like having sex almost ever yeah yeah that's an issue yeah it happens it's like with everything there's just a lot of variables and whenever you generalize like that and men want this and women want that like what fucking men what women well and it's like do you talk to people in real life because i talk to a lot of people in real life and people are diverse they really are they really are and that's the problem with things like the left and the right is that when you get into an ideology and you're in a tribe.

[1579] I'm in the tribe of the left.

[1580] And so I have to subscribe to all the same things that these people subscribe to.

[1581] You know, I have to take on all their notions that I think are ridiculous.

[1582] I have to say it without any questioning.

[1583] I have to repeat the mantra.

[1584] Yeah.

[1585] That's what's going on.

[1586] And you have to use the exact right language and the language changes all the time.

[1587] Yeah.

[1588] But, okay, but so the gender thing, I feel like I was trying to finish a thought.

[1589] So when I'm talking about gender, I'm talking about those stereotypes about men and women that are like really just personality traits often.

[1590] You know, some women are more aggressive and less nurturing.

[1591] Some women are super nurturing and, you know, delicate and emotional or whatever.

[1592] But so the term gender dysphoria, I think, bothers me just because of that because it sounds to me then like.

[1593] you're just identifying with these gender stereotypes, which should be fine.

[1594] Like, you should be able to, you know, identify with whatever personality traits you identify with.

[1595] You should be able to like whatever clothes you like.

[1596] Like, if you're a man and you want to wear a dress and you don't feel very masculine or you don't have a high sex drive or you don't want to, like, fight, that's fine.

[1597] Like, be whoever you want to be.

[1598] I agree with, like, I think gender dysphoria refers to something different which is a very very strong overwhelming desire to actually be the opposite sex or you know to get rid of your sexed body parts what do you think those cause this massive uptick in the public's understanding discussion of it like when did this become something that's on the front line i mean it's so weird because all of the gender identity legislation was sort of presented and passed around the same time.

[1599] Like, it seemed like everything happened simultaneously at once in a lot of countries, like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, the U .S. And I don't know exactly how that went down, but I think those activists, like the trans activists, were very well organized.

[1600] I think that part of it, you know, other people have.

[1601] theorized around this so these are not my ideas coming out of nowhere but um you know once gay marriage was one there wasn't much for these LGBT organizations to do and fight for anymore so there's no reason for them to get funding so they latched onto the trans rights thing so that they could continue to exist people could keep their jobs you know so they could continue to get funding um because i don't know where do you go with the gay rights fight now in canada and America.

[1602] Like there's not that much to fight for anymore.

[1603] That's sort of been one.

[1604] Right.

[1605] Marriage is legal.

[1606] Discrimination is illegal.

[1607] Yeah, you can't fire somebody from their job for being gay.

[1608] And yeah.

[1609] Public acceptance is much higher.

[1610] I have a friend who's gay thinks that a lot of the transgender movement is homophobic.

[1611] It is homophobic.

[1612] But it's weird.

[1613] Like, I'm in one way.

[1614] He's like, well, if you don't identify, if you don't believe in males and females, you don't believe there's a distinction.

[1615] He was like, then what about gay men?

[1616] men who are absolutely attracted to men like are they what and and then if you're telling a lot of them that they're really met that these men are actually really females and they should just transition he's like I think that there's a homophobia attached to that I'm like okay why do you think it is I mean I absolutely agree with that because how can you be same sex attracted if there's no sex like gay people aren't attracted to gender they're attracted to sex like males who are gay are attracted to men with male bodies.

[1617] They're not attracted to women who are dressing like men or acting like men.

[1618] And same like lesbians have made this argument for a long time too that that trans activism, gender identity, ideology is homophobic.

[1619] They're like no, I'm attracted to women.

[1620] I love women.

[1621] I want to have sex with women.

[1622] I don't want to have sex with a man who claims to be a woman or dresses like a woman.

[1623] And, you know, lesbians have been super bullied in their own communities over this and over being critical of, like, trans women being welcomed into the lesbian community or being pressured to date trans women.

[1624] And, you know, Abigail Shrier does a bunch of research on, you know, young girls are transitioning at really high rates now.

[1625] It used to be that more boys were transitioning.

[1626] Now it's that more girls are transitioning, and often those girls are lesbians.

[1627] well um i think like it's not cool to be a lesbian anymore it's cool to be queer it's cool to be non -binary it's cool to be a trans boy i think what abigail's talking about she's talking about that they happen also in clusters and she thinks that there's some peer pressure involved and there's a uh i think she calls it a social contagion or yeah yeah yeah that's right that you you get praise for wanting to transition or for transitioning.

[1628] The non -binary thing is the weirdest one because you could just jump on board.

[1629] It's so stupid.

[1630] You could just say I'm non -binary.

[1631] Well, anybody's non -binary.

[1632] We know this guy who's non -binary and he fucks all these girls.

[1633] You're like, so you're a heterosexual man then, huh?

[1634] He's a hustler.

[1635] H -U -S -D -L -E -R hustler.

[1636] He found the thing.

[1637] Like, that's how you get in and bang woke chicks.

[1638] Ew.

[1639] I would never want to fuck a non -bine.

[1640] man. I mean, maybe he's really non -binary.

[1641] I don't know.

[1642] There's no one thing is non -binary.

[1643] That's not a real concept.

[1644] What does that mean?

[1645] He's not a man. He's not a woman.

[1646] That's impossible.

[1647] Everybody is a man or a woman.

[1648] Listen, when he fucks women, he's not doing it as a man. He's doing it as a day.

[1649] That is a gender neutral penis.

[1650] He's doing it as a they, and you have some fucking respect.

[1651] That is gender neutral sperm.

[1652] It is a wild thing, right?

[1653] That that is also, like, people will get as mad at you as if you fucking hit a baby with a car.

[1654] I don't people get real emotional about it but I mean I think I don't need I don't know why people get so emotional about this trans women or women thing like I don't know why you as a random woman would be like because women get mad about it you know like women have gotten mad at me lots of women have gotten mad and been like trans women are women you should accept their identity and I'm like first of all, this is stupid and doesn't make any sense, but why do you care so much?

[1655] Like, who are you predicting?

[1656] What is your investment in this issue?

[1657] And I would tend to think that it's about presenting yourself as and thinking of yourself as a good person.

[1658] You're very invested in.

[1659] I'm a good person.

[1660] I'm a progressive person.

[1661] I'm accepting.

[1662] I'm inclusive.

[1663] I support diversity, equality, all those words, yada, yada, yada.

[1664] But some of them really do seem, like, some of it, I think, is phony, but some of these people do seem to really get enraged, like enraged at me if I don't want to use correct pronouns.

[1665] And it's like, why?

[1666] Like, why are you so offended by this?

[1667] Well, there's also the fear of being ostracized from the group.

[1668] If you don't do that, if you don't go along, if you're, you decided that you're a progressive person, you don't go along with all these things.

[1669] You can get ostracized to the group or from the group.

[1670] Oh, totally.

[1671] I mean, And it's scary out there on your own because what else you're going to do?

[1672] You're going to be a Trump supporter?

[1673] Because we've polarized the country.

[1674] God forbid.

[1675] That's what we've polarized the country to where you are either a progressive or you're a Democrat who tolerates progressives or you are a person who doesn't like the Republicans.

[1676] You keep going further and further left.

[1677] You're like, never Trump.

[1678] And then a lot of those people, they get lumped into this thing and you think of them only as the most radical of the people in the group that are the loudest, which is the, you know, or left wing people, the Antifa type people.

[1679] Whereas on the right, like, if you go right, what's the worst thing?

[1680] Would they go to, like, the Proud Boys or some, you know, white supremacist organization?

[1681] That's what people think of.

[1682] The January 6 people, that's what people think of.

[1683] So you're either with the January 6 people or you're with Antifa.

[1684] Right.

[1685] Like, it literally, that's what it is on both sides.

[1686] When you get to the furthest edges, it's equally crazy.

[1687] And it's equally crazy in these predictable, adoptable patterns that these people have to subscribe to If they want to be a part of the ideology, whether it's the right ideology or the left ideology.

[1688] Either you want to throw malt off cocktails at the state house and call everybody a fascist, or you want to take zip ties to the fucking capital building and look for a senator to tie up.

[1689] Well, yeah.

[1690] It's the same fucking person.

[1691] They just found different ways to port that crazy out into the universe.

[1692] Totally.

[1693] And I mean, and the binary thinking is, I mean, I talked about this a bit earlier, but this is what people are doing.

[1694] to me constantly now that I've been talking about leaving the left or not wanting to identify as left wing like I just want to be an independent I'm not identifying anywhere and I don't I don't plan on I don't want to categorize myself or label myself in any way so you're far right how long you've been far right Megan like you're sounding like a trumpist like there's certain shows out there that will just immediately call you far right if you don't agree with orthodoxy yeah and that's that's yeah what people have been doing to me and it drives me crazy I need to stop getting upset about this but I can't like I've always I always get very very upset about being misunderstood and I know I mean I can't control that people are going to misrepresent you they're going to misunderstand you especially if you're like a public figure you're just a soul whose intentions are good thank you exactly oh Lord please don't let me be misunderstood yeah but you're that's part of your gift is that you you have the courage to talk about things that other people find uncomfortable and say them from an honest perspective like this is what I'm seeing this is what I don't like this is what I think and then also back it up with like other people are saying it too and this is not like this is something that they the warning bells were rang yeah yeah it's it's the distinction between males and females is very weird in when it plays out in sports and in games and stuff like that I'm always fascinated by that because like there's clearly like great women athletes and like you've got your stories like Jermaine Durand to me knocking out that guy But where it gets weird is other games that aren't, they don't involve physical strength.

[1695] Like one of them is pool.

[1696] That's interesting, actually, because men are more inclined towards, like, way more men play pool than women.

[1697] Yeah.

[1698] Are men actually better at pool than women?

[1699] Yeah.

[1700] Oh, yeah.

[1701] A lot better.

[1702] I mean, I'm really bad at pool.

[1703] I'm quite good at foosball, though.

[1704] Okay.

[1705] Well, they're very different things.

[1706] When we talk about professional billiards, it's almost.

[1707] almost like there's it's not as far apart as like the outlier female kickboxer knocking out the male kickboxer it's not that far apart but no women win competitions like if they want to enter into an open like so so like say they have women's professional tournaments where women compete against women and they have open everything else is open so like if there's a u .s. open women compete in the u .s. open the world championships women can compete against the men.

[1708] They can compete, but they never win.

[1709] There's women out there that they're very good, and they're capable of winning a match.

[1710] The way a pool game is played, like, say, depending on what tournament it is, it could be, say, a race to 10.

[1711] So if we're playing nine ball, if you pocket the nine 10 times and I pocket it seven times, you win, because you made it to 10 quicker.

[1712] You won 10 games faster.

[1713] Okay.

[1714] So a woman can win in a race to 10, but they never win the whole tournament.

[1715] A man always winds up beating them, which is odd because it's not a physical strength thing it's not there's nothing why would that be because that i feel like is holy skill and precision there's women that are very very very very very good but they're not as good as the world champion men i wonder why that is there must be some science behind that i think they've tried to narrow it down to an understanding of 3d space that's different from males than it is for women maybe that has something to do with testosterone um There's quite a few women that are really good that are lesbians, which is interesting.

[1716] Huh.

[1717] I don't know what it is, but it's one of those things.

[1718] It's like, what if someone, like, identified as a woman?

[1719] They were elite professional pool player, and they just started cleaning up in the women's division.

[1720] You wouldn't really have a good argument that they have an advantage, because it's not a strength advantage.

[1721] It's not a speed advantage.

[1722] So what is the advantage?

[1723] Well, maybe there is one.

[1724] I mean, I don't know what it is, but there's some sex.

[1725] advantage the only advantage that you would ever have in strength is in the break shot right but that's not going to win you it's not that big of a deal a lot of people kind of soft break today they don't break that hard they break they want to like make the one ball on the side or make the corner ball and sometimes it's actually better to not hit it too hard so but that would be the only thing that would involve physical strength I mean it's it seems to me that like there's only a few competitions where men and women can compete against one another sort of on an equal playing field and one of those I'm told is like shooting like rifle what makes sense yeah because you're basically just aiming and breath control I would think if the rifle was heavy that would be an issue but pistols yeah and pistols I mean it doesn't seem I don't know like what like if men started identifying as women to compete in figure skating would that like screw over women and figure skating Mm, that's a good question.

[1726] More strength, more strength than the legs.

[1727] But they're not, but are they judged by how high they jump?

[1728] They're just judged on doing the things perfectly.

[1729] Right, but doesn't the difficult difficulty factor in?

[1730] Maybe.

[1731] I think it does.

[1732] You know, if they have more leg strength, I would believe they could leap higher and spin more.

[1733] For sure.

[1734] I mean, that's sort of like the thing with skateboarding too, eh?

[1735] Right, right, right.

[1736] It's like those, they can jump higher.

[1737] and farther and like they can move faster right and what are the again what are the what specifically do you have to prove if you want to compete as a woman do they test you do they make sure that you aren't taking testosterone do they test you to make sure that you're taking estrogen do they check your testosterone levels not in skateboarding well that's crazy yeah isn't that crazy because if if it is a physical thing which it clearly is like the best skateboarders are very good athletes, you know, what they do is incredible.

[1738] It's hard to do.

[1739] Oh, yeah.

[1740] So if that's the case, then you would think that you would want to make sure that someone isn't taking performance -enhancing drugs.

[1741] I mean, maybe they will at some point, or maybe if we were talking about at the Olympic level, I don't think that it's come up in skateboarding at the Olympic level.

[1742] I mean, that's relatively new that they've included.

[1743] When did skateboarding get into the Olympics?

[1744] I think maybe just like the last Olympics.

[1745] Like, I'm not an expert, but it was recent.

[1746] They definitely test them there.

[1747] Yeah.

[1748] But in regular competition, like, it's probably not been that big of an issue so far for them to really have to deal with it like taylor is probably the first person who's ever spoken out about this in skateboarding like it's been talked about in other sports track swimming mma um like weightlifting yeah um and those ones are easier because they're so obvious i mean people are obviously still going along with it anyway but it's very obvious like when you look at there's like a photo of lea thomas at the swim meet and they're all diving and he's like two feet higher than all the rest of the chicks and immediately farther along and he's also just obviously bigger he's a tall big dude who was a really good swimmer as a man which is nuts yeah and he transitioned like the rule yeah exactly he started taking doing hormone replacement therapy no someone told me that uh lea is still intact probably and day it's girls.

[1749] Probably.

[1750] I don't know, but most, most, most guys who identify as trans women are still intact and date girls.

[1751] Like, most, that's a horrible surgery to get, to get your dick cut off and inverted into like a neo vagina that's not supposed to be there.

[1752] So, that's what they call it, a neo vagina.

[1753] That's what they call it?

[1754] Well, that's probably not what trans activists call that, but I think, like, in, if you're going to, like, read a research paper or something like that, that's what they would call it, or surgeons call it a neo vagina.

[1755] But, like, it's a whole that wants to keep closing up because it's not supposed to be there like it's not it's hard to maintain it's gross for reasons that I'll let people imagine like it doesn't function like a vagina vaginas are supposed to be there they operate in a specific way that's conducive to sexual intercourse they are self -cleaning which is not the case for a surgical hole that's been an inverted penis like um they'll the men will like grow hair on the inside do you know what i mean oh boy because it's from like their ball sack it's that skin so oh jesus and it smells bad um i anyway and also they're they're really complicated surgery and there can be complications really easily and there's more than once you have to have a bunch of surgeries to get all this done yeah and yeah and you might end up you have to have more than one Not being able to have sexual pleasure.

[1756] The other way around is really horrific.

[1757] Like women who are transitioning to men and want like a fake penis attached.

[1758] They like take the skin off of your arm.

[1759] Yeah, I've seen that.

[1760] And that's a bunch of surgeries.

[1761] And you don't get a functional penis, do you?

[1762] Not really.

[1763] And sometimes it doesn't take, right?

[1764] Sometimes your body rejects it and you have to try again a number of times.

[1765] It's really gross.

[1766] And then, yeah, it's like, then you can't come.

[1767] Like, what is even the point?

[1768] What is the point of having a penis if you can't, like, have sexual pleasure and you can't have an orgasm?

[1769] What does the penis do then?

[1770] I don't know, but there was a cover of a magazine that showed this person who had just transitioned and had a big scar on their leg.

[1771] Yeah.

[1772] And had a giant old hog.

[1773] Yeah, I read that.

[1774] What was her name?

[1775] She was a, she was a journalist.

[1776] Like, oh, God, I can't remember.

[1777] her name.

[1778] I wrote something about that.

[1779] She's a journalist and she'd, you know, she'd reported in like war -torn countries and had been traumatized by witnessings and pretty horrible sexual assault.

[1780] And she had a history of sexual abuse, like she'd been molested as a kid.

[1781] I think that kind of stuff factors into transition too, especially for women.

[1782] It's like naturally you want to get rid of your sexualized body if you in your brain are like, well, these men did, these things to me when I started developing.

[1783] Right.

[1784] You want to go back to not being a sexual -looking woman.

[1785] But she, yeah, she decided to be a man and they did a cover story and she had this giant, like a giant hole in her thigh kind of thing from where they'd taken the skin and turned it into her fake penis.

[1786] It's really, it's a horrible thing to go through.

[1787] And I just, I think that these.

[1788] people are often trying to deal with mental problems in physical or superficial ways.

[1789] And now we live in a culture where a therapist isn't allowed to challenge you.

[1790] Like if you go to a therapist and you're a young woman and you say, I'm a boy, you have to take an affirmative approach and say, okay, yeah, you're a boy.

[1791] Go get some hormones.

[1792] Like we can give you a mastectomy and a hysterectomy.

[1793] So they're not being questioned about like anything else that it might be to pass trauma like all therapists behave the same way I think therapists are scared so probably not all therapists but these therapists don't want to be accused of transphobia and then lose their careers so I think that most therapists are going along because they could get in a lot of trouble if they don't it's because it's it's so complex because you like you want people to do what makes them happy I want people to to have the choice, and I don't know how you feel.

[1794] Like, I don't know how someone feels.

[1795] When someone says to me that I've always known that I was a woman, I don't have any idea how they feel.

[1796] So I have to take them at their word.

[1797] I mean, what does it mean to feel like a woman?

[1798] I have no idea what it means like to feel.

[1799] I don't feel like a woman.

[1800] I just feel like me. Right, but you are a woman.

[1801] Yeah.

[1802] See, you are a woman and you feel like you.

[1803] And it feels like it sinks up.

[1804] But imagine if you were a man and you felt like you should feel like you.

[1805] You should feel like you should look like you, you should be like you, like you like you like the things that a girl likes, but you feel like somehow another nature is thrown you a curveball and you have a male body, but you have a female mind.

[1806] Really weird.

[1807] No, I can imagine that.

[1808] It's got to be real.

[1809] I think we're dealing with many things.

[1810] I think we're dealing with legitimate people that are trans people where I don't want to delegitimize anybody.

[1811] But what I say by the word legitimate, I mean, there's an issue where they genuinely from the moment they were born have felt like a girl and they're confused and they don't understand why and everything else is great.

[1812] And if they transition, they'll be happier.

[1813] I think those people exist.

[1814] But I also think all the other things that you said are true too.

[1815] The statistics about people who felt like they were trans and they're young and then eventually became gay men.

[1816] Those are very high, right?

[1817] And lesbians, yeah, like, lesbians, like, there's a lot of girls.

[1818] And I've interviewed these girls.

[1819] Who think they were boys and turn out to be lesbians.

[1820] Yeah, who, when they're teenagers, like, older teenagers usually are like, well, you know, like, I don't feel like I fit in.

[1821] I feel like I'm not a girl.

[1822] Like, I like other girls and I don't want to wear girly clothes.

[1823] And I don't, like, I must be a boy.

[1824] And then they transition and a couple years down the lawn, they're like, I'm not a boy.

[1825] I'm a lesbian.

[1826] So there's all these things.

[1827] So how do you know what's what?

[1828] How do you know who's getting influenced by culture and society?

[1829] And one of the things about Kristen Beck is that she grew up in a fucking military town, like in a small town, the middle of nowhere in Texas, and did not have any transgender ideology.

[1830] So all of the ideas that that was pushed on her or that she was indoctrinated, it doesn't work with her.

[1831] So for sure, there are people out there that are experiencing the same thing that Kristen Beck experienced, the same thing other people experienced too, where they feel like they're in the wrong body.

[1832] And then also for sure, there's people like Abigail Schreier is talking about that may be being influenced by the trendiness of it, by the social contagion aspect of it.

[1833] Like, we have to be able to look at all these possibilities and to say that it's binary.

[1834] Either you are a woman or you're a man, you know, you recognize yourself as a woman or a man or that's it.

[1835] Like that's, and you are.

[1836] Oh, you are a woman.

[1837] You've always been a woman.

[1838] okay guess I'm a woman like to make it like that and to avoid all nuance and to devoid all these other possibilities to avoid this term gender dysphoria to avoid all of this information about you know whether or not this is even effective or if it makes people happy like what what is going on you can't as soon as you can't discuss an issue without being fearful of being attacked by people that don't agree with you.

[1839] It becomes very problematic because people get scared, they become cowards, and you get people on one side that will virtue signal, and they'll claim to fight against you, you know, she's a piece of shit, I fucking hate her.

[1840] We've got to take her down.

[1841] Yeah, we've got to take her down.

[1842] And they'll do it to let the tribe know that they're on the right side.

[1843] And you've also, like, hack political commentators that'll do that, and they're just doing it because they're just dumb and sloppy, and that's how they behave, and they'll find something that they can rally against, and it's good for clicks.

[1844] you know yeah i mean they need a headline yeah they need something to fight against because they don't really have interesting nuanced opinions they have you know it's just it's bullshit culture this hot take culture is a it's a wild culture because there's a whole industry of hot take assholes out there and all they do is like live for hot takes and what they don't understand is people lose all faith in your actual opinions on things when you're just doing these hot takes because now i don't know you i don't know you.

[1845] I know what you're doing.

[1846] I know the titles of these outrageous clips.

[1847] I know you screaming at the camera.

[1848] I know all the stuff that people do.

[1849] Or crying on the camera about all the harassment that you got as a female journalist online before you went and tried to ruin somebody else's life.

[1850] Yeah, there's a lot of those too.

[1851] But I don't know them because they're not honest.

[1852] And that's why they don't resonate.

[1853] That's why it doesn't work well.

[1854] I mean, that's kind of like harm those people who are doing it too.

[1855] Because imagine if you were under that kind of pressure to continue, like, to come up with hot takes on a variety of subjects every single day.

[1856] Like, I don't write about something unless, like, I've thought about it a lot.

[1857] Yeah.

[1858] Like, I'm not going to, like, just be like, oh, what's your opinion on this?

[1859] Like, I'll have some answers for some questions.

[1860] If it's stuff that I've thought about, like, I think this, I think that.

[1861] But, like, if it's something I don't know, I'm just going to be like, I don't know.

[1862] I don't know anything about this.

[1863] I don't have an opinion.

[1864] Writing is very different than hot takes because people have hot, I have hot takes on things.

[1865] What do you think about fat phobia?

[1866] I think it's bullshit.

[1867] Listen, I'm a healthy person.

[1868] Like, by effort.

[1869] I work out very hard at it.

[1870] You know, I've been doing it my whole life.

[1871] The idea that you have the same, the idea that a person can decide to eat unhealthy, to let their body balloon to morbid obesity, and you don't discuss that.

[1872] You don't ever bring that up.

[1873] You don't tell them that.

[1874] The doctor's not allowed to tell you that.

[1875] There's even doctors that will lie and cite nonsense and pretend that it's healthy to be fat and there's nothing wrong with it and actually dieting is unhealthy.

[1876] Like there's so many things that are linked to obesity, so many diseases, so many problems.

[1877] People will say, oh, well, skinny people can be unhealthy too.

[1878] It's true.

[1879] Yep.

[1880] It's totally true.

[1881] They're right, but not to the same numbers.

[1882] They're not even close, unless you're talking about anorex.

[1883] If you talk about people that are up optimum weight, the amount of, I mean, depending upon their diet, of course.

[1884] I mean, someone could have a terrible diet and you get a bunch of diseases that are connected to that.

[1885] But obesity is a rough one.

[1886] That's one of the things we learned during COVID.

[1887] There was one point in time where 78 % of the people who were in the ICU were obese.

[1888] It makes me so angry.

[1889] It makes me so angry that they created all this hysteria around COVID and pretended that anybody could just die of COVID in a second when we knew.

[1890] full well that it was people who were you know it was old people and like fat people like really unhealthy people and it's like shut down the gyms shut down the gyms because like people who are unhealthy and fat are dying of this disease so shut down healthy people's lives and force them to be unhealthy that's the solution well i think it was an interesting case because it clearly was more dangerous than anything we've ever experienced before in terms of a infectious disease it's clearly more dangerous than the flu, clearly more dangerous than a lot of things.

[1891] But you weren't allowed to look at it like you look at those other things.

[1892] But everybody wasn't at equal risk.

[1893] No, no, no, they were not.

[1894] But a lot of people who you didn't think were at risk got fucked up by it too, which was really interesting.

[1895] Because I don't think it's even across the board.

[1896] I think there's a high probability that that fucking thing came from a lab.

[1897] And it behaves like something that came from a lab.

[1898] And that's why it's wild.

[1899] It's wild because there's people that have, you know, no problem with the flu.

[1900] And they got fucking wrecked by COVID, like real bad.

[1901] Lung scarred, decreased oxygen capacity, decreased cardiovascular output, all that stuff.

[1902] I don't know a single person who had like a horrible experience with COVID.

[1903] Oh, I do.

[1904] I tested positive and I had zero symptoms.

[1905] Well, let me tell you about Hamzat Chimayev, okay?

[1906] Because Hamzat Chimayev is one of the best fighters in the UFC, one of the best up -and -coming contenders.

[1907] He was hospitalized multiple times for COVID.

[1908] He was spitting blood up in his toilet bowl and tried to retire, coughing blood up in the toilet.

[1909] Because of COVID?

[1910] Because of COVID.

[1911] Yeah.

[1912] And he's a fucking elite top of the food chain assassin.

[1913] But here's what happened.

[1914] He didn't give himself the chance to recover.

[1915] He got COVID and he tried to train.

[1916] And he was training while he had COVID and he fucked himself up.

[1917] And he, you know, it got stronger.

[1918] And then he was admitted to the ICU.

[1919] He almost died.

[1920] He was admitted to the hospital more than once on multiple occasions because he's just fucking psycho and he kept training and he didn't give his body a chance to recover.

[1921] Yeah.

[1922] I mean, I'm not saying I haven't.

[1923] heard these stories.

[1924] I'm literally talking about people I know in real life.

[1925] And everybody that I know in real life who got COVID, like, stayed home in bed until they felt better.

[1926] My friend Michael Yo got COVID, and he got COVID early on in the pandemic, and he was hospitalized for weeks, and he thought he was going to die.

[1927] And it was real bad.

[1928] But I don't know what, I don't know whether or not he was healthy at the time.

[1929] I know he was exhausted.

[1930] He told me the whole story of how he flew in New York, did press, flew back, drove to Vegas with his family and then drove back the next day and then tested positive for COVID and it was wrecked.

[1931] But just doing that alone, that's six hours of driving after flying, hanging out with your wife's family, everybody getting together, probably having a couple cocktails laughing, not getting enough sleep, jet lagged.

[1932] Well, that's how you get real sick.

[1933] Like I got a cold that turned into bronchitis and then turned into freaking pneumonia.

[1934] Right.

[1935] Because I had to travel.

[1936] Right.

[1937] Because I was like way overtired.

[1938] I couldn't take care of myself.

[1939] I couldn't get like the vitamins that I needed.

[1940] I couldn't rest enough.

[1941] I couldn't get the food that I needed.

[1942] I had to go on all these planes.

[1943] I had to work.

[1944] And I just like, yeah, I couldn't heal.

[1945] And so it turned into pneumonia.

[1946] Exactly.

[1947] And that is something that happens to people with COVID.

[1948] So that's what gets the really healthy people.

[1949] So when they bring that up as an example, it's like the problem is if you are a person that has to fly and has to work late and has to do things where you're not getting enough sleep, then it's fucking dangerous because if you're taxed out and that hits you.

[1950] When it got me, the first day, I was like, whoa.

[1951] I was like, this is fucking strong.

[1952] I was like, this is interesting because it hits you so quick.

[1953] I was like, from the moment I was on the plane, I was feeling funky.

[1954] And then I just thought I was hung over.

[1955] And then I got back to Texas.

[1956] And that night, I was sweating.

[1957] And I was freezing.

[1958] I sweat through three different pairs of sweatpants or a sweatshirt and a hood, and freezing.

[1959] Right?

[1960] So I change, shivering, put a new one on, get back under the covers.

[1961] I had a, you know, I was sleeping by myself.

[1962] I told my wife I was probably sick.

[1963] And then I moved to the other side of the bed and moved to her side and soaked that side too.

[1964] But that's because of all those things that I said.

[1965] I was drinking.

[1966] I was flying.

[1967] I was in Florida.

[1968] We played pool till 3 .30 in the morning.

[1969] And I had like five margaritas.

[1970] And then the next day did a show and then flew back that.

[1971] night so it was a lot of you know environmental stress alcohol shows this that the other thing but I still got over it pretty quick and that but that's how illness works like that's how you get sick and then you get too sick my whole family had it at one point time early in the pandemic and I didn't get it and I didn't do anything to avoid it I didn't do anything I was hugging my kids when I had it and I felt weak a couple of days I was like whoa I wonder if this is going is going to get me. Like when I would go to work out, I knew something was going on.

[1972] It did not feel normal.

[1973] So I said, I am, it was at my house.

[1974] So I was like, and I had five days off.

[1975] So I was, I was like, we could figure this out.

[1976] I'm like, let's just see what's going on here.

[1977] And so I worked out.

[1978] And when I worked out, I was like, something's wrong.

[1979] This is not feeling like me. I'm like, I'm just going to just go light and break a sweat and don't be an asshole.

[1980] And I did that two days in a row.

[1981] And then by the third day, I got into the gym, I'm like, I feel pretty fucking good.

[1982] And then I worked out pretty hard.

[1983] But I tested negative every day.

[1984] I never tested positive.

[1985] I tested myself every single day.

[1986] That's funny because the one time that I thought that I got it and I was like, this is weird.

[1987] And like I couldn't get out of bed.

[1988] Like I was just exhausted.

[1989] I was like sweating a lot too.

[1990] And I had this weird dry cough that never turned to anything.

[1991] It was just a consistently dry cough.

[1992] But I was like, I probably have COVID.

[1993] So I just stayed home.

[1994] I had tried to go to the gym like very early on.

[1995] And I was like so tired.

[1996] I just was like, I can't do anything.

[1997] You guys tested me for antibodies, and I didn't have them.

[1998] But how many months out from your being sick was it?

[1999] I was in a long time after, I think.

[2000] Jamie's got superhuman antibodies.

[2001] He just sees the antibody level.

[2002] Amazing.

[2003] He pulls it out like a big dick just to show everybody.

[2004] What does it protect him from?

[2005] Well, he's just been exposed to a lot of dirty girls.

[2006] So you can't get chlamydia anymore either, huh?

[2007] That's how that works, right?

[2008] Is that how it works?

[2009] You only get it once?

[2010] If you get it enough times, then you're immune.

[2011] But Jamie got COVID in October of 2020.

[2012] He got it early, early on.

[2013] And then, like, recently, you had a – didn't you have an antibody test real recently that was fat?

[2014] I want to say maybe someone that didn't have a strong line, so I was like, let me show you a strong line.

[2015] Yeah, that was – you know what it was?

[2016] It was protect our parks.

[2017] Okay.

[2018] It was when normally – And Sherman and Gillis had just gotten over COVID.

[2019] And so we wanted to see.

[2020] And his fucking lines are fat.

[2021] So he's got crazy antibodies.

[2022] I mean, this, you guys, like, tested me here for anybody.

[2023] So that would have been, like, a year ago.

[2024] I haven't tried since then.

[2025] They say you have T and B cell memory, too, which is interesting.

[2026] It's like even if your body doesn't have antibodies, it has memory and it could develop those antibodies.

[2027] If you're coming contact with it, some of these guys that work here.

[2028] they didn't catch COVID a second time, but they came in contact with it, and then they felt like weird, and then it showed up they had antibodies.

[2029] So, like, when Mercy would test us, it would show that your levels indicate that something recently, your body tried to fight it off recently.

[2030] Hmm.

[2031] Interesting.

[2032] I mean, yeah, like, I feel like a lot of people treat COVID based on anecdotal evidence or what they read in the media, so I'm like, you know, I...

[2033] It's hard not to, though.

[2034] What else do you, if you don't read it in the media or you don't get it anecdotally, how are you going to, what information are you getting other than that?

[2035] Well, so, but I mean, yeah.

[2036] For most people, unless you're reading scientific papers.

[2037] Well, and even scientific papers have conflicting information.

[2038] Right.

[2039] Depending upon who's running the study and what the parameters of the study were.

[2040] And especially if they went into the study with a bias and they tried to accomplish a certain thing.

[2041] Yeah, of course.

[2042] I mean, I guess I'm just like my experience is that I left.

[2043] Vancouver during COVID and I moved to Mexico and everything was fine there.

[2044] Well, I left L .A. and I came to Texas and everything was normal.

[2045] People were normal here in May of 2020.

[2046] It was wild.

[2047] Like people walk around with no masks on, all friendly.

[2048] We were all packed into bars spitting in each other's faces.

[2049] We sharing food, sharing drinks, sharing cigarettes, like.

[2050] The thing that did me in when I got sick, for sure 100 % was that I was drinking and flying.

[2051] I was drinking in Florida.

[2052] Stayed up really late.

[2053] It was exhausting.

[2054] and then had to fly the next day, did a show, how to fly that night.

[2055] It was a lot.

[2056] I get sick a lot when I fly just in general.

[2057] Like, I have to be real careful.

[2058] Yeah, I mean, it's not good for your body to be that fucking high up in the air and that air that you breathe.

[2059] And I know it's recycled air and I know it's supposed to be purified and everything like that.

[2060] And it always makes me exhausted and dehydrated.

[2061] Yeah.

[2062] Yeah.

[2063] You're also probably getting cooked by radiation.

[2064] Is that what happens on the plane They cook you with radiation?

[2065] I don't know if it's bad for you, but I do know that you get exposed to high levels of radiation when you fly.

[2066] I want to say high levels, higher levels of radiation.

[2067] I wonder like if stewardesses have issues, flight attendants have issues with radiation.

[2068] I had no idea that you were being exposed to radiation.

[2069] Yeah, see, let's Google it.

[2070] Here it goes.

[2071] We are exposed to low levels of radiation when we fly.

[2072] You would be exposed to about 0 .0 .0.

[2073] 3035 MSV 3 .5M -R -E -M of cosmic radiation if you were to fly within the United States from the East Coast to the West Coast.

[2074] This amount of radiation is less than the amount of radiation we receive from one chest x -ray.

[2075] So it's probably fine.

[2076] Yeah, but how much less?

[2077] I don't really know anything about radiation.

[2078] But the thing is, like, a chest x -ray, you have to wear a lead vest.

[2079] Oh, right.

[2080] That's a good point.

[2081] Word about cooking your fucking organs.

[2082] Like, that's not a good, like, chest x -rays are fucking bad for you.

[2083] I mean, there's a reason why they put that vest on you, right?

[2084] Don't they protect your junk?

[2085] Do they protect your junk?

[2086] Well, they do it when they give you x -rays at the dentist, too, if they protect you.

[2087] Or they protect, like, they put something on you here.

[2088] Don't protect your fucking brain.

[2089] They don't give you a lead helmet like Magneto.

[2090] It's weird, hey.

[2091] That argument, I don't see, air travel exposed you to radiation.

[2092] How much risk?

[2093] So does it show us there?

[2094] Okay.

[2095] It says your dose, that thing that you just had, that little circle right there.

[2096] So it says your dose.

[2097] I don't know.

[2098] I decided I clicked off it because it doesn't make sense.

[2099] I guess that red is the, what's the big one in the bottom there?

[2100] Is that the x -ray?

[2101] That upper left -hand corner?

[2102] Sorry, the big red thing.

[2103] It's the upper left -hand corner of the screen.

[2104] Oh, yeah, that's why I just clicked on.

[2105] Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[2106] What is the big red one at the bottom?

[2107] What does that say?

[2108] It just doesn't make any sense.

[2109] A single dose fatal, it's about radiation poisoning, I think.

[2110] Oh, okay, so where's the flight?

[2111] Which one's a flight?

[2112] Is it the little tiny one?

[2113] 40, yeah.

[2114] Okay, so 40 and then can make that a little bigger?

[2115] So abdominal, okay, that's cool.

[2116] An abdominal x -ray is 200.

[2117] A flight is 40.

[2118] A dental x -ray is only five, but they still throw that lead vest on you.

[2119] So think about that.

[2120] Think about that shit.

[2121] Hip X -ray is a little bit more, though.

[2122] 800 for hip x -ray.

[2123] Ooh, hip x -ray is 800.

[2124] There's a chest CT scan, which I guess that's a little bit more.

[2125] A CT scan, interesting It's 12 ,000 Holy fuck Whatever units that is That's a lot What's an MRI?

[2126] Is that in there?

[2127] Well that's magnetic resonance imagery I don't think that's radiation And then it says like 400 ,000 It was a dose that would cause Symptoms of radiation poisoning Yeah but that like Over how much time Like there's got to be a reason Why they throw that fucking lead vest on you So yeah this one is also saying A frequent flyer So that's someone who's flying a lot It's going to have almost Oh, see, there it is.

[2128] Look at that.

[2129] Frequent flyer from New York to Los Angeles has 480 as opposed to 200 from an abdomen x -ray.

[2130] So what does that mean?

[2131] That's a lot of radiation.

[2132] What happens then if you're exposed to that much?

[2133] But that's over time.

[2134] You can read minds.

[2135] Well, then great.

[2136] In the comic books, that's always what happened.

[2137] The comic books, you got radiation.

[2138] You became cool as fuck.

[2139] How much do we get from the sun?

[2140] Don't we get some?

[2141] Not, I guess.

[2142] Yeah, you must get some.

[2143] Solar radiation.

[2144] Just hanging out outside, don't you get radiation?

[2145] Well, the thing is, like, everything has radiation.

[2146] Like, rocks have radiation.

[2147] Like, if you are exposed to rocks, like, you touch a hot rock, that rock has radiation.

[2148] Okay.

[2149] But it's very, very little.

[2150] Like, people are worried about your cell phone.

[2151] The radiation from your cell phone.

[2152] Maybe.

[2153] Is it bad?

[2154] I don't know.

[2155] Some people think it is.

[2156] You're supposed to not put them on your genitals for cell phone.

[2157] Elon doesn't think it's bad.

[2158] So I'm like, tell me what to do.

[2159] I'm not too worried about my cell phone.

[2160] But if you listened by your ear on one side of your head and then developed a tumor.

[2161] Here's a little comparison chart that maybe helps.

[2162] Ultrasound or MRI, radiation exposure equivalent to zero days of natural radiation, zero hours of flying.

[2163] Lower back x -ray radiation exposure is equivalent to 213 days of natural radiation or 182 hours of flying.

[2164] Lower back CT scanned is equivalent to 511 days of natural radiation or 462 hours of flying.

[2165] So if you're a stewardess, you're getting cooked.

[2166] Are you allowed to say stewardess anymore?

[2167] There must be studies.

[2168] Is it a stewardess?

[2169] I don't know.

[2170] I say stewardess, but I think you're supposed...

[2171] Well, I guess you're supposed to say flight attendant.

[2172] Actresses are just actors, or female actors.

[2173] I don't care about any of that stuff anymore.

[2174] No?

[2175] I think maybe I went through a phase of caring a little bit, but I don't care about, like, I don't care about calling people retards.

[2176] I don't care about calling people like bitches or cunts or assholes or dickbags or motherfuckers or...

[2177] Keep going.

[2178] I mean, I have like a potty mouth, but I just, I feel like it's not important.

[2179] That's not the important thing.

[2180] You know what phrase went away?

[2181] Comedienne.

[2182] I don't even remember that being a thing.

[2183] Yeah, it was female comedian.

[2184] That's silly.

[2185] Well, comedian Miss Pat.

[2186] Miss Pat was one of the funniest people alive.

[2187] She has, like, comedian, Miss Pat is her Instagram.

[2188] That was like, Comedi -I -E -N -N -E, I think.

[2189] Is that it?

[2190] I've never heard that.

[2191] You never heard comedian?

[2192] No, I don't think so.

[2193] Yes, there it is.

[2194] Comedian.

[2195] A female comedian.

[2196] Just weird.

[2197] Weird.

[2198] Because comics don't use it.

[2199] Yeah.

[2200] I mean, it is really unnecessary, I think.

[2201] but also I don't care like I feel like people tried to make that like a set it's not an actress actor everyone's an actor I'm like who cares it's a female actress or it's a female actor like I don't know I just I don't think that's the important thing I think that what's happening in real life is the important thing oh yeah no for sure I just think it's interesting the phrases that just get adopted and with comedy it just got abandoned for whatever reason interesting yeah I mean you would think but it's obviously not true that that's because like comedy can't be woke because how do you make jokes if everything's supposed to be woke but obviously they've woked comedy so or they've tried to in any case I feel like it's short lived because I feel like the unwoking of comedy came around pretty fast like I feel like there was like a period of time when they were trying to like make woke comedy happen and then people like Ricky Jervais and like Dave Chappelle were like nah well it's also the problem well first of all Ricky Jervais's new shit is fucking hilarious.

[2202] Oh, it's so good.

[2203] It's hilarious.

[2204] But it's also when you are doing what you're trying to be woke, you are saying, I adhere to the ideology.

[2205] I will speak only the phrases that empower and in light.

[2206] Like, that's not comedy.

[2207] No. Comedy is talking shit.

[2208] Comedy is you have a couple of drinks and you say something fucked up to your friend.

[2209] You both laugh hysterically.

[2210] Or you call each other up and you don't even mean what you're saying, but you're saying something to be funny.

[2211] That's comedy.

[2212] And when you want to pretend that that's a statement, you're going to lose me. as an actual human.

[2213] I can't talk to you as a real individual anymore because I know you're playing a game.

[2214] So I can't take what you're saying seriously any longer because now you're not really having a conversation with me. You're just trying to force me into your ideology for social brownie points.

[2215] I'm not gonna do that.

[2216] Yeah, well, yeah, and it's not authentic.

[2217] No. It's phony.

[2218] It's horseshit.

[2219] Yeah.

[2220] And it's like I'm willing to have a reasonable conversation with anybody about any subject, but if you wanna pretend that jokes aren't jokes, we can't talk you can't say that you can't joke about things you can't say that that Ricky Jervais stuff is offensive it might offended you it didn't offend me it's so funny though it was hilarious I mean I feel sort of like jokes and humor Trump all like if it's funny then I'm like okay but it's funny so yeah if it works like I yeah I guess I just I think that there's some people who actually I really don't like these people who actually don't have a sense of humor like they just don't like they don't care they don't think like humor is not important to them and they kind of don't really get it like there's a lot of that it's also a loophole like this is offensive this is offensive sometimes it's and a lot of times it's phony but I think they're genuinely are people who are like well I didn't get it so it's not funny it's like no you didn't get it because you have a bad sense of humor there's that and there's also people that are authoritarian and they don't like comedy because it's a loophole right if they want to tell you what to do you know and you are joking around about something they're like no you can't joke around about that and they'll tell you this is this is off limits for comedy and then they want to fucking protest and yeah yeah that's what it is it's like they're just upset that in their mind like there are things you just can't joke around about and in in their mind it's you know whatever their ideology says yeah i mean i guess it's just it's so controlling yeah like i'm so weirded out by this culture where people think that they are entitled to control other people what other people think what other people say what other people joke about and i don't understand the desire to do that either it's like like let people live yeah like why are you so obsessed with what other people are doing is that like because you don't have anything interesting going on in your life or you feel out of control in your own life like i keep trying to like look at it through a psychological lens i suppose and i i don't i i doesn't make sense no yeah but it's just a natural human trait a natural human characteristic whether it's through religion or through culture to get people to adhere to the boundaries that you've set for your group and if someone tries to stray outside those boundaries and joke about things or do something or say something or have you know some sort of an opinion that's forbidden and you want to signal that you're part of the end group which is tribalism also right So you're like, I'm part of this group, so I believe this, so I won't tolerate this.

[2221] You're part of the out group.

[2222] Megan, I have to pee so bad.

[2223] I have to pee, too.

[2224] I kept being like, should I interrupt?

[2225] Because I really have to do.

[2226] Let's wrap this up.

[2227] Tell people, you said it before, but say it again, your substack.

[2228] Oh, it's just Megan Murphy.

[2229] So, M .E .G .H. There it is.

[2230] The same drugs with Megan Murphy.

[2231] Also, oh, sorry.

[2232] Go ahead.

[2233] So is this going to come out tomorrow?

[2234] So tomorrow, people, if they still want to come, They can still buy tickets to this event.

[2235] What day is the event?

[2236] June 10.

[2237] Friday at 6 p .m. And where's it at?

[2238] Austin Central Library.

[2239] It's called Women Leaving the Left.

[2240] So that's, yeah, 710 West Caesar Chavez.

[2241] Event right.

[2242] It's easy to find.

[2243] Go to my Instagram.

[2244] The links there.

[2245] Buy tickets online if you would like to come.

[2246] Anyway, thank you so much for having you.

[2247] This was really fun.

[2248] It was always great.

[2249] to see you again.

[2250] It's fun.

[2251] All right.

[2252] Bye, everybody.

[2253] Bye.