#173 - Peter Joseph

[0] We're going to get to the bottom of the shit.

[1] First of all, before we even start this interview, I want to tell you that I'm ready to join your cult.

[2] I've gone online.

[3] I've seen other cult members and leaders before.

[4] They're not nearly as charismatic as you.

[5] They don't make as much sense as you.

[6] I think you're on point, and I'm ready to sign up.

[7] You just tell me when.

[8] Me too.

[9] Your utopian view of the perfect society is fucking brilliant, man. It's dead on.

[10] Peter Joseph, you don't know, is the creator of Zykeyes.

[11] the original movie and then all these follow -up movies and now it's actually, you know, you refer to it as a movement, and that's not cocky in any way, shape, or form, that's just what it is.

[12] It's a movement, you know.

[13] So the zeitgeist movement, you know, TZM on Twitter, the TZ movement on Twitter, and it's a fascinating thing that's going on right now.

[14] And your movies and your movement, I mean, can you say it's yours now?

[15] Now it's sort of like, it's become a life, No one owns it.

[16] And whether people like it or not, they're a part of the zeitgeist movement one way or another.

[17] What is the zeitgeist movement?

[18] It's a definition of the times.

[19] It's the cultural nuance of all the shit that we believe and think is true and how we progress through time, hence the zeitgeist movement.

[20] So whether anyone likes it or not, they're a part of the zeitgeist movement.

[21] So I just brought that into that particular context.

[22] How did you become this smooth, talking bad motherfucker?

[23] How did this happen?

[24] How did you become this guy?

[25] because it's not just that you have all these great ideas.

[26] You never use the word, um, all right?

[27] You just sail through these sentences, and you're just like, you're a musician.

[28] Is that what your background is?

[29] I am a musician, a percussionist, classical percussionist.

[30] That's what I tried to do for years and years.

[31] But I didn't fit in the whole orchestral establishment percussion scene.

[32] Now, percussion enlighten me is not just, it's not drums.

[33] You have the mallet family, then there's the kettle drums like timpani, then you have hand percussion.

[34] You learn them all?

[35] Well, as much as I could, given the time that I have.

[36] In my studio in Culver City, I have a whole section of my little house blocked off for whenever I can pursue my old hobby again, which seems to be less and less, unfortunately.

[37] Can people listen to some of your stuff online?

[38] Do you have a CD?

[39] You know, I'm working on compiling.

[40] I've been hesitant to do that because my identity has been so bizarre.

[41] Right.

[42] As a filmmaker, which I never intended to be, actually.

[43] I think I sent you the link of the first Zichai's performance, which was a performance.

[44] It wasn't intended to be a documentary in the sense, formalatically.

[45] as you would traditionally assume.

[46] How did it morph?

[47] What happened?

[48] Well, I had the 2007.

[49] I did a six -night run in Lower Manhattan, free, who was a thing I spent a lot of money on, prepared this piece over the course of seven months.

[50] Didn't expect it to go anywhere because basically I had no rights to actually pursue this as a film.

[51] So this is a firmly one -shot -off, fair -use type of deal.

[52] So I did it, publicized it, people came, everything was cool, everyone liked it.

[53] It was very dramatic.

[54] some people walked out, some people really liked it, some inspired Q &A.

[55] It was a catharsis for me. I was in advertising, I was doing shit that I didn't appreciate doing is what the system does.

[56] You know, it forces you into a particular pocket for the most of us.

[57] For a lot of, yes.

[58] We don't necessarily enjoy what we're doing, so this is a catharsis, and the unique thing about it is it was so honest.

[59] This is a very honest work for me. I didn't really think about approaching a demographic.

[60] And when it went online on Google Video, before YouTube, this is when Google Video was the only Internet video site that actually had full -length stuff.

[61] And very rarely you'd hear about feature -length films getting there and I just happened to hit that paradigm right then and it went crazy viral and the lawsuits were threatened and everyone thought it was some big documentary big production They had no idea the background what kind of lawsuits were threatened I just the people that are in it you know that film was a fair use film it was not intended to be released so whenever people saw like 20 30 million views in the first year everyone's seeing dollar signs as though and I wasn't even selling anything I wasn't intending to and then eventually I went back and the tail between my legs with all these people that the whole thing's full the whole thing is a montage of the zeitgeist it's right just one big cluster right of all sorts of different personalities kind of mush together and most of them supported it and then some of them got a little greedy but everyone got paid off for the most part and there's still a few rocks left unturned but the statute of limitations is now up on that so if anyone wants to sue me you're going to have a greater effect what a pain in the ass yeah well it isn't it all just stuff that's just out there in the public record essentially it is but you You can't put it together.

[62] Anyone can sue anybody for anything if they think they can get money out of it, especially in the film, in the film media industry.

[63] So you obviously are surprised by the response to the first film.

[64] You had no idea any of this was going to happen.

[65] You certainly had no intention to make a second film.

[66] I never considered myself a filmmaker.

[67] I was always musically driven.

[68] And then addendum came out in 2008, and that was picked up by the Art of His Film Festival, shown here at the Egyptian theater.

[69] That had a huge response, even larger in a certain sense, because it was the first time it had been publicly displayed, this whole phenomenon.

[70] And then that carried over into the Zichkeist movement, which was basically the thought experiment I had.

[71] I was like, okay, we have these films.

[72] We have plenty of people like Michael Moore making films.

[73] Do they really support change, though?

[74] Are they really doing anything to actually initiate a community effort to get something going?

[75] And at that point in time, I had no idea what that would actually be.

[76] It was, I figured, well, it says it in the movie.

[77] I only if you remember Zykoist -Dendom, it says, you know, join the movement.

[78] Start the largest critical mass the world's ever seen to try and get some change going and it seemed to take root and then from there it's been this kind of bubbling changing and morphine kind of phenomenon that's global now the zeitgeist movement which is which is a shared community I want to make people understand it isn't like a movement that any world's ever seen it's just the people that the group of people that have a similar value set that's the only way I describe it's the ultimate anti -institution so I often don't even reference the movement I reference the ideas behind it so you make this documentary it gets out And then all of a sudden you realize that there's this crazy movement behind it.

[79] Now, how do you attempt to organize it?

[80] How do you attempt?

[81] Do you not?

[82] Do you just get out of its way and let it organize itself, like sort of an Occupy Wall Street type situation?

[83] It's a combination of the two.

[84] We started off at a self -organizing capacity, but volunteers from around the world.

[85] It was beautiful, actually, just getting all this communication from different demographics.

[86] I mean, the whole Zikera spectrum, the audience, if you will, for not just the films with the movement, but paying attention to these ideas is totally vast.

[87] You have people that have met kids.

[88] They're like 10 years old with a little zeitgeist, a T -shirt on, up to 80 -year -old men that, you know, that they're looking for something different.

[89] So it's amazing.

[90] And the ethnicity differences are massive.

[91] I want to be in Israel next month, giving a lecture.

[92] It's truly unique.

[93] So it self -organized as it began.

[94] We started to pinpoint different coordination positions, people in charge of media.

[95] So now you go places and give lectures as well.

[96] I do.

[97] And what is like, what is the lecture essentially, is it just you breaking down how this got started, or is it you talking about your perspective?

[98] Well, usually lecture is broken into three, at least now the lecture is broken into three.

[99] Typical lectures broken into the first part being what defines awareness and logic and reason, how we think about information, we're dismissing the messenger, look at logically X, Y's and Zs, forget the subjects.

[100] It's all about the train of thought, that the process of thought is irrespective of personality.

[101] There's a huge conflict in society between logic and psychology, and they're very, very different.

[102] And I can expand on that as we go.

[103] So second section is the criticism of the current socioeconomic platform, which I consider to be one massive corruption.

[104] We talk about corruption, you know, a hard drive corrupts, it's messed up, or a criminal pulls out a gun, robes a convenience store.

[105] It's a corruption of the system, the socioeconomic system, the legal system.

[106] To me, the entire socioeconomic system, namely economic, not only politics, politics is an outgrowth, but I won't jump on that one, is one massive corruption of what it means to live on this planet, what it means to perfect good public health.

[107] So there's that section that's massive and most of the criticisms and presentations I do.

[108] Then there's the solution which supports a train of thought which has many different names as far as a new social system which I don't even really address anymore I'd just like to go for the train of thought and what it comes down to is you have to have a system that's based on planetary resource management very fundamental stuff by the way a system that's not based on growth and all the strange infinite growth paradigm stuff I'm sure my resource manager as a whole community one giant community gets together and says okay, what do we need and how do we keep everybody happy and healthy?

[109] Globally.

[110] Globally.

[111] And you think about it in the broadest symbiotic sense, you know, like one of the great psychological revelations or intellectual revelations that we've had as species is that is that we've been living in these divisive kind of tribalistic concepts and we assume normality with it because of how long they persisted.

[112] But we tend to find that what we find now as far as information's concern is that we live in a global system.

[113] We live in a symbiosis that stretches outward almost to infinity.

[114] So the very idea of separation becomes literally tangibly unapplicable to the way we approach our life, way we approach knowledge, the way we approach society, the way we approach economics, which is the defining feature of our existence, you know, how we get what we need, how we relate, of course, how with the renewable elements, the regeneration, if you will, the Omni regeneration, in the words of Buckminster Fuller, of everything, how do we respect that?

[115] And the ultimate realization is that we have to begin to unify all concepts.

[116] You see this in intellectual things, Consilience is a book by Edward O. Wilson.

[117] Early on in the 1980s, he wrote about this concept of all the disciplines starting to merge together.

[118] So you can't talk about chemistry without talking about biology or the other way around.

[119] You can't talk about physics without talking about mathematics.

[120] You can't separate anything anymore.

[121] And that's a unique phenomenon that's occurring.

[122] And you can stretch that train of thought backwards and forwards.

[123] In my approach, as far as simplicity, the economic system has to be unified and has to have a very simple respect of what actually supports.

[124] supports us.

[125] I can ramble out.

[126] How would that transition take place?

[127] I mean, even if you were to engineer the perfect utopian mathematical formula for keeping everybody.

[128] No such thing.

[129] What do you do with the money that you have now?

[130] Does it just dissolve?

[131] Do we start from scratch?

[132] Like, you know, how does that work?

[133] How does it transition from one monetary system that makes no sense, where there's massive amounts of corruption and people with huge amounts of resources that they've probably gotten by what would be considered immoral, although legal ways?

[134] Sure.

[135] What do you do with their money?

[136] well there's a few answers to that one let's get rid of the word the utopian though I mean I don't mean that in a sense of a fantasy that's impossible of being achieved I mean it is ideal like a Boulder Colorado a friend of mine said to me once it's a working utopia and I believe it is you know I don't mean it in a sense of impossible you put utopia is a touchy word I like the word finite sometimes it's dismissed as finite yeah it's only the best that we know up until now right and the great flaw is that we're not actually doing anything based on the knowledge we have today.

[137] But to answer your question, how do we do that?

[138] How do we transition?

[139] The system is failing.

[140] We have an unemployment crisis.

[141] We have a debt crisis and we have a energy crisis that's looming.

[142] Three of the nails in the coffin as far as I'm concerned that are interweave in certain ways, if you will.

[143] We also have another crisis and that crisis is the way people raise children.

[144] We have a crisis of, you know, too many people that don't give a fuck about their kids and they're raising these little problems, these people that are, you know, and the crisis of consciousness, by all means.

[145] For sure.

[146] And that absolutely transmits from parent to children, you know, when they're not paying attention to the kids or where they're bad parenting or, you know, whatever they have.

[147] Well, that brings up the...

[148] It's like, how do we change their, how do we change society at the core?

[149] Because really, you've got to get to them, too.

[150] That's a big percentage of people that are impoverished and uneducated and in the country.

[151] It's great for strip clubs.

[152] It's great for a lot of things.

[153] It's great for porn, too.

[154] Yeah, you just want a lot of chaos, you know, you want a lot of messy things.

[155] Great for fighting, too.

[156] But I think that's a big problem, right?

[157] I mean, isn't it?

[158] Hence the nature of what the zeitgeist movement really defines itself as.

[159] I mean, you can talk about these solution -oriented things, but really it's the evolution of human awareness.

[160] The real crisis is the crisis of ignorance.

[161] Right.

[162] There's no energy crisis.

[163] It's really just a crisis of misunderstanding what we're doing.

[164] And the fact that people have become addicted to the money that's going around.

[165] the people that are taking money from corporations, it stopped becoming a matter of whether or not it's a good thing.

[166] It's precedent.

[167] There's a precedent.

[168] It's already in place.

[169] They're making the money.

[170] They're going to continue to make the money.

[171] And they want to make the money.

[172] And so anything where you say, well, hey, man, I don't think that what we're doing is really fair.

[173] I mean, we're being unfairly influenced by corporations.

[174] Uh, dude, we're making this fucking money.

[175] We've been making this money.

[176] We're going to continue to make this money.

[177] You don't just stop.

[178] You know, it's very difficult to just stop.

[179] That's why the failure is.

[180] important if you will the failure that's on hand is is not going to is not going to be altered by any new legislations or any fail safes the establishment might have there's no way the system can persist for a number of different reasons I could throw out there first of all the you've Occupy movement right everyone says maybe that at this point in time the division of of rich versus poor is more than it ever was actually it's not it's not it's always been structurally classed there's a structural classism built into this system And Occupy has only been the first to really acknowledge it on the global scale, an issue that's been there from the very beginning, because every element of this system supports that, and it's getting worse, we live in a plutonomy now.

[181] There's more money moving amongst the upper five percentile, influencing GDP so much money that it makes the lower percentiles movements of money irrelevant.

[182] So from a firmly economic standpoint, the lower classes are literally irrelevant to the function of the economy, therefore to the to the powers that be, if you will, to the corporate establishment, and to the taxation, fueling, and big business that fuels all government.

[183] And this is all because the system has been manipulated, deregulation.

[184] This is because the system is intrinsically flawed based on the need for differential advantage in an old form of tribalism, psychological tribalism, that you have to gain advantage over others, a socially Darwinistic view.

[185] And what's unique, even though I hold that to be self -evident and true to the human condition, If we were both existing in extreme scarcity, and we had nothing to eat, we end up fighting each other most likely to survive.

[186] That's the natural human instinct.

[187] What's happened now, though, is that the, I'm jumping ahead here, but following me, is that the entire infrastructure of society, the human population is so large, their industry has become so big.

[188] We have Fukushima belt down.

[189] We have the nuclear weapons.

[190] We have nano weapons that are on the horizon.

[191] What we have now is we can't have the risk of this type of mentality being the forefront of our psychology.

[192] We can't have the self -betterment of the individual to be the forefront of us because it goes against our long -term evolutionary fitness, which means the entire species is at risk.

[193] So to put it in a sentence, the self -interest that tends to dominate now, that really is the psychological fuel of all the motivations that you see, greed, if you will, greed is just an extension of the basic motivation.

[194] There's really no such thing as greed.

[195] It's just there in the system.

[196] All of that that you see is going to fuck us all up until we begin to realize that we can't operate this way because it's going to destroy us.

[197] Does that make sense?

[198] Nuclear war was the best example.

[199] You don't need passports to see the fallout.

[200] Nuclear winner would have taken over the entire planet if the US and Russia went to nuclear war, even the minor war.

[201] It would have destroyed almost the entire human species.

[202] And a few scientists realized that, said, you know what, this isn't really a partisan or a country or a nationalist issue anymore.

[203] This is a life issue.

[204] So the greater our technology, the greater our ability, the greater vulnerability, the greater vulnerability, we have and the more clear it becomes how we have to unify and make our self -interest become social interest if we intend to survive as a species and this is the great paradigm shift of all human thought.

[205] So what do you do with all the weapons?

[206] Well, you get rid of them, dismantle them, and hope you can regurgitate them into something effective.

[207] Imagine if we were to take over the Pentagon and use their equipment for monitoring the Earth's resources, use the amazing surveillance equipment to actually have a productive use.

[208] It would be incredible what we could do if you were...

[209] I think everything you say is brilliant and I agree with it 100%.

[210] But when I think about it being implemented in today's society, I think of the human beings that exist right now and how they've been running their lives based on greed, real greed, based on real ignorance, based on violence.

[211] I mean, you're going to get these people and everybody is going to go hold hands and sing kumbaya together.

[212] You know, I feel like there has to be something.

[213] You know, there has to be some sort of an event that unites people.

[214] There's not going to be a stopping of the separation of rich and poor.

[215] The rich are only going to get richer and smaller and smaller.

[216] And if you want to see anger, just wait.

[217] Just wait.

[218] We haven't even touched the anger stage, as it were.

[219] And that is what's going to start the initial transition into something new.

[220] And the point of the movement really is not to try and initiate some step -by -step logical transition to assume human beings are rational and they're just going to say, oh, that sounds better.

[221] That sounds more efficient.

[222] No, that's not the way the human being works at all.

[223] this stage.

[224] So the failure will happen.

[225] Zichyce movements on the sidelines, as far as I'm concerned, trying to spread information about what a new social system may be, exposing the roots of this system.

[226] And as this tipping point occurs, those that are on the outs will slowly become on the end, and you'll have a very powerful, large, complicated revolution that will happen one way or another.

[227] It's an inevitability to me. So all the rich 1 .00 % doesn't matter how many billions of dollars they have, The police are not going to protect them.

[228] There's going to be a very unique, unpredictable shift in the human social structure.

[229] It's a fucking movie, isn't it?

[230] It is.

[231] Isn't it in a movie?

[232] I mean, really a great time in the movie.

[233] The time when things get really exciting.

[234] Yeah.

[235] I've said about the Occupy movement that, to me, they're like white blood cells.

[236] They don't know exactly why they're there, but they know that there's an issue.

[237] And there's a sickness here.

[238] Yeah, social disorder.

[239] It's a social immune system response.

[240] It really is.

[241] I mean, they just clogged up all the areas where there's a immune system.

[242] corruption you know it's fascinating it was a beautiful action too bad the majority of the Occupy movement hasn't been able to really put a train of thought forward that others can grasp they have all this media all this press I've tried to I don't know if you've seen anything that I've tried to do with them I've know I've done some talks in LA and New York and just really trying to get some seeds planted as far as what a new social structure may be because you can complain all day right until you put down the some fundamental logical elements that people can grab expand and get into the public consciousness into the zeitgeist we're doomed until that happens it's just going to be one iteration of rogue you know the idea would be amazing to have an entire culture filled with cool people and everybody works together like boy you feel like could that work is that possible and if it was possible would anybody ever get anything done would there be any more competition would there be any more creativity would everybody just be sitting around just banging each other and giving each other hugs the fun thing about modern sociological research is that a great number of studies have been done in those issues.

[243] Incentive has been a large forest of the market system to assume, if we're doing mechanical stuff yeah, if I'm going to be on a conveyor line which could easily be automated now and be on a subway line, it always blows my mind when I walk into like a subway restaurant and there's this conveyor belt of people that you could automate in five seconds if you wanted to.

[244] Wasting their lives, yeah, you have to pay people for that.

[245] When it comes to creativity, very few are actually motivated by money and money actually inhibits.

[246] There's large studies that have done by a man named Daniel Pink called Drive.

[247] I recommend that book to anyone that's interested.

[248] I would think that, yeah, if you were just concentrating on money, you would lose part of your mental resources that you could have concentrated on creativity.

[249] It's a deep inhibition.

[250] Everything I've ever done creatively, I've never, money is a pollutant to me, you know, for anything that I've done.

[251] A pollutant?

[252] Yeah, it hinders my creative response.

[253] Really?

[254] I agree 100%.

[255] I fucking love money.

[256] I love buying cool shit.

[257] I like going to movies.

[258] I like going to dinner and not have to worry.

[259] how much it costs you hate money period I hate money period I hate but if I had if I had not to do limitless resources yeah if I just didn't have well unlimited oh you hate dealing with it I hate dealing with bills you don't hate having money I hate getting the fuck it it just I hate having to deal with that part I just like waking up doing what I want to do creativity like like like not having to worry about that at all would be amazing can you just go somewhere and give them your pictures and they give you some meat well I mean again like of course that you have to get paid you to live but I if that I could take that whole part out that would be amazing exactly yeah it's the system that we're it's not it's absolutely not the best we can do you know there's no way this is the best we can do got especially the stock market man I don't give a fuck if you understand it or not I watch it sometimes I watch those numbers scroll through the bottom of the screen and there's some fucking dude with his his classical attire his traditional attire that he's wearing with his tie and his is and he's moving around and pointing to all these different stocks they're going up and down and you know it's all based on confidence you go what kind of a shitbag system have you put together what kind of a goofy fucking number game what's all going up and down and shorts and derivatives you tell me what the fuck the derivative market is again why is it a hundred times bigger than the real market what well as much i hate to admit it i was a private equity trader for about six years after i left who is that like well it was a personal choice to get out of the establishment The only occupation in existence where you don't have a boss or a client or reliant on an audience is in equity trading.

[260] So were you, is it like being an educated guesser?

[261] Is that what it's like?

[262] No, there's a huge strategy that's called technical analysis that people use.

[263] Now it's automated behind the scenes by groups like Goldman Sachs that are raping everybody slowly but surely.

[264] But no, there's a firm, Ted.

[265] I have a lot of respect for the traders independently because of their mindset.

[266] It's a great discipline.

[267] It's like a sport.

[268] You really have to know what you're doing.

[269] You can't just wing.

[270] It's not gambling in any kind of sense like that.

[271] But as an institution, the stock market and the whole concept of these representations of equity and finance and how much influence it has in society, and of course the derivatives blow out and everything else that we've seen, it's the most cancerous thing on the face of the earth.

[272] The stock market is just unbelievable.

[273] That's why it even exists at all.

[274] I have no clue.

[275] It's the ultimate manifestation of the worst concept of having no social contribution and invariably making more money than any other sector of the population, even though you create nothing, you do nothing.

[276] It's just like Wall Street and Michael Douglas.

[277] He's like, you know, it's like, I create nothing.

[278] I own.

[279] Yeah, it's amazing that it's been able to get to the point where it is now.

[280] What an out of control ride.

[281] I knew guys that made like $40 million a year doing nothing, nothing.

[282] And you say to yourself, well, here's the market system.

[283] This is the capitalist concept, right?

[284] Oh, everyone, if you do the most contribution, you're supposed to get the most reward.

[285] That's the underlying tone.

[286] So if you work really hard and you really want to make that invention and you can contribute to society, no. It's you better go, you're only off of yourself, fuck everybody else, that's what's rewarded in this system across the board.

[287] And the market system is just the highest level of that psychological manifestation.

[288] Did it grow too fast for our little monkey minds?

[289] Is that what it is?

[290] Did technology and the concept of being able to control money and all the different things that we have to deal with as variables didn't exist when our minds are created.

[291] Our DNA is essentially the same as it was 10 ,000 years ago.

[292] So our DNA is really essentially set up for the natural world.

[293] And then all of a sudden we've shoved it into this weird new dimension where we're dealing with an incredible amount of variables.

[294] You're dealing with all kinds of craziness.

[295] I mean, it's just I don't know if the mind is set up to deal with the world that we've created, which is why it's like a kid at the helm of a car that does not a drive and he's stomping on the fucking gas but he's too small to look over the over the dashboard so it is if you know where the fuck he's going he's trying to figure this thing out as he goes along it's like all of a sudden this little kid has a car you know and that's what it's like with us like we're like these dumb fucking monkeys and we're we're still evolving out of that dumb monkey primal soup and popping out where we're this monkey that's aware of itself and then in the process of becoming aware of itself barely getting our shit together we've created everything we've created nuclear fucking bombs and cell phones and video that you You can get it on a little screen in your pocket and the ability to do things that we would have never thought possible, just 50, 60, 70, 80, 100 years ago.

[296] Sure.

[297] It's almost like no one could have managed this.

[298] It's almost like it blew up faster than our reasoning.

[299] Evolution is always natural, one way or another, whether we destroy ourselves.

[300] Well, then I guess the human species was an evolutionary cul -de -sac.

[301] It's one way or another, everything is always right.

[302] You know what I mean?

[303] There's no wrongs here.

[304] But the disorder that's in place in society is what concerns me, which is what you alluded to at the beginning, you have this huge disorder based on this system that's basically a self -destructive system.

[305] It's not respecting any general variables of resource management.

[306] It's not respecting, you know, I saw a recent stat that said, oh, China has less unemployment than America because their lax EPA, if you were, whatever they have in China, the lacks environmental issues.

[307] Like, we should be more like China and reduce our environmental things, and they have, like, huge smog thing.

[308] I mean, it's just disgusting, destroying ourselves.

[309] One town where they say it's like smoking two packs of cigarettes a day, just living there.

[310] The skies are like dark gray.

[311] So it's a disorder that we don't even see it and we just keep killing ourselves, whether it's the poison of our food.

[312] Why is that?

[313] Is it because we still recognize ourselves as individuals and we still haven't realized that we are a part of a giant superorganism that is the human race?

[314] So because people are acting as individuals and then they can do so as a corporation, and do so without guilt.

[315] They act as individuals all going towards one goal, but under the guise that the company's doing it, the best interest of business, and then they're able to get away with a lot of shit that you just can't get away with in a one -on -one basis.

[316] You know, instead of thinking of human beings as a whole and putting that at the front of your ethic, that's like not even into consideration.

[317] It's like, what can we get away with, what's legal?

[318] You know, and it's not our fault of it's legal.

[319] I go back to my early life.

[320] I had a normal upbringing, but I did all sorts of shit out of college that was highly illegal, reselling things, it was whatever you could do to make money.

[321] It didn't matter, and everyone did too.

[322] It was whatever you needed to do to get money.

[323] And what's happened now with the value system disorder is that since that's the pursuit, that's the divine drive of the system, that's what status is defined by, that's what your success is defined by, that everyone can blindly look the other way with how much destruction is occurring in the world.

[324] They can look the other way with the wars and the cancers and just every natural phenomenon that we've come to disintegrate all the trash that's surrounding the planet right now.

[325] I've likened the war to the way people react if you know that someone in their family's been molesting someone.

[326] It's almost like they don't want to know.

[327] They're looking away.

[328] They don't want to think about it.

[329] They don't want to do it that way.

[330] If it was right next door, we'd be thinking about it every fucking day.

[331] The fact that people can just commonly accept the fact that there's no, for no reason whatsoever that you could ever argue, where we have thousands of dudes with guns in some other part of the world.

[332] Yeah, yeah.

[333] And it seems normal, doesn't it?

[334] It seems normal, because it's a part of life.

[335] And people are born into this normality.

[336] They don't know any better.

[337] Exactly.

[338] It is what it is, because we feel like the system must be smarter than us.

[339] I mean, it's big, it's huge, it's gigantic.

[340] You know, but it's a group of goddamn individuals with their own personal interest at hand, and their personal interests will extend to killing people and profiting off of it if they can get away with it.

[341] My favorite example of that concept was, remember the movie Network, which I have a little skit -of.

[342] I'm mad as hell, I'm not going to take it anymore.

[343] Remember when they got frustrated at the very end because they were losing money with the character, and they sit around and they go, well, we could kill them.

[344] And you think, as the audience, remember that they're just joking, and you think someone in the room's going to go, yeah, whatever.

[345] But then they're like, well, if we do it, we have to be very careful.

[346] And the film ends right there.

[347] So you think about that logic, a human life becomes quite secondary to most of the motivations, especially the higher you go up in the sort of corporate neuroses, Well, you know, it's why I've argued before with people about, you know, this September 11th especially, that the, I mean, I've heard more conversations about, you know, what people think happened September 11th, and I believe this, and I believe that.

[348] And from the very moment I've said, you don't believe that they'd be willing.

[349] I'm not saying that people did orchestrate any sort of attacks in America.

[350] I'm not saying they let, I'm not saying anything.

[351] But what I am saying is that we know that they went to war.

[352] they said that there was weapons of mass destruction when they weren't.

[353] So they're willing to kill some people that they don't know.

[354] They know.

[355] They know that at the very least, they're willing to kill some people that they don't know in order to push their own agenda.

[356] We know that.

[357] Just like when they opened Wall Street, all the toxic air and the thousands that have gotten sick since then.

[358] And my take on it is they don't know you either.

[359] So you don't think they would kill you.

[360] Right.

[361] You really think that the people, anybody that would orchestrate death for profit.

[362] You don't think they would kill you.

[363] You really think that they would, because you're a U .S. citizen?

[364] Which is the nature of the Pentagon and the entire military industrial establishment.

[365] I mean, this is a killing machine.

[366] I think they wouldn't use that in domestic purposes.

[367] And not to mention, there's so many examples of that their history that people would blindly look away from.

[368] It's just so sad.

[369] That's why it's offensive when someone says that you're unpatriotic when you see that.

[370] When you see that and you point that out, no, you go, no, that is patriotic.

[371] That is very patriotic because that's not what we're supposed to be about.

[372] That's not what this country was supposed to be founded for.

[373] This country was supposed to be the best alternative.

[374] This country was supposed to be the people that got it together say listen we have to fucking rules man here's the rule we separate this from that we do this we do that we don't let anybody do this you know don't give up your liberties you have to have essential liberties you have to have guns okay you got to protect yourself from enemies foreign and domestic you know it was all set up it was all set up sure they knew we could argue little nuances of the founding founders but uh i understand your point i'll tell you one thing did you did you hear this fucking dummy newt gangrich this would be king fat -headed clown this guy actually said that he believed that the founding fathers would be much more aggressive in the way they would prosecute people from marijuana and that they would do it probably much more violently.

[375] They were growing it themselves.

[376] Not only would they grow at themselves, it says in George Washington's fucking diaries that he was separating the male from the female plant.

[377] It's very clear that he says he was separating the male from the female plant.

[378] For people who don't know, when you're growing marijuana, you've got to separate the male from the female plant so that the female grows the buds and that they become psychedelic.

[379] that's how you make it so you get high from it right so George Washington is essentially saying he likes to get high right and he said oops a little too late so he's a fucking stoner he he separated them too late I mean what did you have to do back then what I mean how many different things did he have going up George Washington was a fucking stoner dude almost 100 % God bless for sure they grew it and by the way they grew hemp and they they you know they grew hemp because they used it for a lot of things outside of the psychoactive effects they used it for all sorts of different things and there's all these different passages people smoking on their hemp pipe it's written in so many different people's diaries when george washington said that he did mean his slaves were separating it for him right probably could he have slaves did george have slaves he must have of course right they all did yeah they all did right so hot right then it was yeah it's a different time brian it's a different time he was a good man um but the point is man that these these fucking people that are in the positions of you know wanting to be at the helm of this monster you know It's like, what a shitbag group of people we have to choose from, you know?

[380] And again, what do you expect?

[381] You know, what do you expect?

[382] I always go back to one of my great heroes, George Carlin, he's like, garbage in, garbage out.

[383] Yeah.

[384] What do you expect from this system?

[385] Now, you can argue where these people came from, which is where the scam comes in of the entire election cycle.

[386] I mean, where do these people come from?

[387] Seriously, look at these like, I don't remember that guy.

[388] I don't remember.

[389] What's the guy who won Iowa?

[390] They found out that he won.

[391] He beat Mitt Romney, the crazy religious dude.

[392] Oh, yeah.

[393] San Torum, is that his name?

[394] right right right oh he's a loon he's a fucking he's a oh he's a good one yeah he's full helm jesus he's he's jesus like leonard decaprio and titanic he's at the front of the jesus ship with his arms up in the air this guy's uh yeah no abortion no nothing so he's super jesus he's pushing it hard what an amazing group of humans we have trying to be at the helm michelle bachman and her gay husband this it's a really got it's a goddamn cohen brother's movie we're living in a brother's movie and a real good one satirical one at that you know it's a big football game and it's sad to me to see how you can't watch the news without them covering this as though it's relevant or important to anything yeah as though any decision processes that these people will have the power to take hold of will actually accomplish anything when it's obvious from our last great hope obama that big business isn't going anywhere yeah i think people who's in even ron paul if he was magically to be swept in with bulletproof vest on and everything else, you'll see some dramatic shifts in his policy the moment he comes in because he knows what's actually possible in that environment before the shitstorm hits him from all sides.

[395] You know, all the examples of what they did to Ralph Nader, you know, with the prostitution thing.

[396] I don't remember that.

[397] The car company.

[398] I don't remember what happened.

[399] There was basically a car company set up Ralph Nader in a hotel room with a prostitute and then documented it because he was doing all this publicity against this car company, how unsafe their, their cutting costs on their car production.

[400] He found out very discreetly how bad it was.

[401] People were dying, and they tried to set them up and to make them look bad with this prostitute.

[402] Wow.

[403] That's just the tip of the iceberg of all sorts of games that are played.

[404] You can go straight down the whole political spectrum.

[405] And look at all the things that seem random, Lewinsky, and all these things.

[406] Right.

[407] There's a subtle orchestration happening to that, not to be conspiratorily oriented, but that's just the way it is.

[408] You don't mess around.

[409] It's a mafia system.

[410] I want to know where to get casting for that because I would love to be a part of the next one.

[411] You know, like I'm found in Obama's locker room and I can't walk.

[412] Do you think they hire, well, they must hire guys to do things.

[413] I mean, at this point in time, they can easily pay someone to just fuck up your life.

[414] You know, pay someone like this is your job.

[415] $250 ,000.

[416] Your job is to seduce that guy and go and get into his life somehow or another.

[417] They're called PR agencies.

[418] Is that what they do?

[419] Well, PR agencies can go both sides.

[420] They can be positive towards you.

[421] where they can be hired to completely blacklist you and make you look like shit.

[422] I know that from my own experience of the weird and things that have happened to me, which I wonder where the roots of some of these things are, the people that blog and anti -psychist, anti -Peter Joseph manners every single day and follow everything I do.

[423] Like, how do they possibly have time to do that?

[424] So you think they're being paid to do it, maybe?

[425] Well, I just know of some companies that were listed to me that do the exact same thing to other people.

[426] And you don't see them on the forefront.

[427] They're these PR firms.

[428] you can use to you've probably seen the ones that you can go and use to get bad things removed from your name on the internet there's i've heard that on the radio like if you're a doctor or something like that right well there's there's ones that work the other direction the more of a black op kind of way they go after you yeah and they're paid to do so wow that's brilliant it's happening to porn stars right now really yeah yeah don't know there's there was a they this one person broke into a where they get tested once a month i think i might have talked about this before and broke in and stole all the records from all the porn stars and then it put them online and then that shit got taken down eventually and it found out it was just this a male porn star that did it and then now there's like groups of people that use all those things that were put online and attacked every single porn star online by putting their information everywhere oh wow what the fuck is with people why would they want to do that I don't know a few different motivations there?

[429] Money and ego.

[430] It's a weird thing, man. It's a weird thing that people want to hurt other people that badly.

[431] It's a self -appointed guardians of the status quo that could be labeled.

[432] I was a line I picked up from a man named Jock Fresco.

[433] These people that they have, they're not, the only thing they have is their identity preservation.

[434] They will fight tooth and nail to make sure whatever they believe is held true, whether it's political, religious.

[435] I mean, I can't count how many death threats I got since the first film came out.

[436] Well, you're quite just questioning the status quo.

[437] doing it's fucking on camera.

[438] Why would somebody want to harm the well because if say some deeply religious individuals sees a porno or catches his son with it or something like that they feel a huge threat there for whatever purpose you'd be surprised what motivations people again that's the root cause the root the root issue is how fucking dumb people are and what a giant percentage of them are just so off the tracks and in the woods misinformed badly conditioned how do you how do you turn those folks around because I think you can't really have this next level society until you get those folks to on track look if every that's one of the things about living in a nice neighborhood if you live in a nice neighborhood you know there's generally a lot less financial strife so people are a little bit more calm you know it's one of the things that people don't like about living in neighborhoods where people are poor you know there's a lot of tension and sometimes shit goes down sure well you got to get everybody to the level of no tension you know in order to have a beautiful society how the hell do you do that you as you pointed out earlier you start with the kids you make a there's there's a deeply religious anti -structure thing going on in the world where everyone thinks they can just keep having kids and it doesn't matter with the resources of the planet you know it's it doesn't matter that no don't you dare tell them how to raise their kids forget any kind of instruction you know kids people have natural pre -programming it's pretty obvious what the you watch like us moving forward a whole section of that at the very beginning is like us moving forward on the development of kids now little small nuances can mess them up for the rest of their lives, whether it goes to drug addiction, whether it goes to mental disorders, or even physical disorders.

[439] And no attention is being put on that.

[440] If there's anything that I would like to see put in the public educational fountain, it would be how to really think about your kids, how important it is, how the earliest things that happen to them will fuck them up the rest of their lives if they're not carefully collared or carefully orchestrated, allowing vulnerability.

[441] We're not talking about holding kids down and making them do things in a structured way.

[442] It's allowing the vulnerability of this natural organism to come to fruition.

[443] A horse, for example, falls right out of the horse.

[444] It's born, falls right, it can walk, boom.

[445] Humans, because of evolution, they come out way too early.

[446] So the susceptibility of the infant is so massive and so misunderstood up until now that people have done things to their kids that have really fucked them up for their whole lives at the infancy stage because of how much developmental requirements are actually there.

[447] The protections are gone.

[448] So that's a huge topic, and there's a lot of people that can list that can describe those issues in tech.

[449] guy named Gabber Matte is a really good one.

[450] So what is the best case scenario?

[451] It is the best case scenario that a Zygite movement takes place after some sort of a collapse, and we develop a new society that's based on using of natural resources universally and across the board, and there's no hierarchy of citizenship, and then the people are on the outside.

[452] What do we do?

[453] We fight them off?

[454] Well, you would want to hope, it's hard to predict.

[455] You'd want to hope that whatever the cataclysm manifests itself, to be that's pending, that those on the sidelines, the barbarians at the gate, as they might have been, would eventually turn around to see the folly of their ways as well.

[456] You know, it's hard to predict.

[457] The zeitgeist movement is really a movement of logic and reasons.

[458] It's like, okay, here's we have, we have technological automation.

[459] You know what?

[460] People are being replaced by automation.

[461] In fact, the great driver of unemployment now is automation.

[462] They won't admit it.

[463] Most economists will not.

[464] A few are coming out now in admitting it.

[465] You can go back to the Roosevelt administration.

[466] They actually wanted to have a stop on technological invention during the, industrial revolution because of how fast people were being replaced by machines.

[467] And that is the four -core driver of all unemployment you see in the world today, period.

[468] So what does that mean?

[469] What is the logic say?

[470] Well, we can produce more with less.

[471] We don't need people to slave over some shitty factory job anymore.

[472] We automate it, no vacations, much higher degree of accuracy.

[473] Machines can do things, all sorts of modular machines now that can do things like scientific research, extremely specific things, thinking machines, people like Ray Kurzweil and all this, Massive evolution.

[474] I could ramble on for a long time.

[475] What does that mean for human labor?

[476] Do we keep human labor as a requirement to live?

[477] Your right to life is to get income?

[478] Or do you create a new system that says, okay, let's go full forward with machine automation, all sectors possible, and fill in the gaps with whomever is willing to do so.

[479] And I think the abundance produced would enable a society to exist without people needing money every minute of the day.

[480] What happens to all those people that were working on those assembly jobs?

[481] Well, at this stage, they wouldn't know what the fuck to do.

[482] Right.

[483] But if you evolve it out, if you really think about this over long periods of time, you get the education.

[484] It's going to be a problem we're going to have to feast eventually.

[485] Face it now.

[486] Well, until you see someone in power say, okay, we're going to start to automate and basically do the form of socialization, if you will, giving people free food, free energy in order to supplement them for their lack of purchasing power, which is what's happening, until someone starts to do that in government or having the work day.

[487] Like if Obama was smart, a good bunch of Roosevelt administration, they would have put in a man. mandate or whatever you'd want to call it, where the corporations received some type of subsidy where they would have the workday, and they would hire twice the amount of people for that corporation, giving them the sustenance income that would be applicable.

[488] It would be probably a little bit reduced, but what else do you do?

[489] They're not going to do that because the core motivation is so against it.

[490] Corporations' responsibilities to the shareholders.

[491] Shareholders don't want to see anything like that.

[492] What happens when someone lays a whole bunch of employees in the stock market?

[493] The stock goes up.

[494] Remember?

[495] Yeah.

[496] It's just sick.

[497] The whole thing's backwards.

[498] So, back to my point, tell automation no one's going to stop automation because it's a profit -driven thing.

[499] It costs less money to automate than it does to use people.

[500] And that's what you call a contradiction of capitalism in the words of Karl Marx, believe it or not.

[501] He recognized this long ago.

[502] And all you have is this thing clashing together that is unreconsolable until a new social system is put in place.

[503] What do you think is going to happen with the current system?

[504] How much time do you think we have before it's just chaos in the streets?

[505] I don't know.

[506] I mean it's already chaos in most of the world in pockets.

[507] I think, I think 2012 is going to be, prophecy aside, I think 2012 is going to be a very interesting year.

[508] It's amazing that things have accelerated this far, this close to 2012.

[509] When you look at it from the prophecy standpoint, everybody thinks it's like the boy who cried wolf.

[510] It's like at a certain point in time, like Y2K and this and that and the fucking Pleiades and where's Nibiru?

[511] And at a certain point in time, you're like, ah, right, with your fucking apocalypse talk.

[512] Stop it.

[513] But then as you get closer and closer to 2012, you're like, man, you know, maybe.

[514] Maybe the Mayans were on to something.

[515] Well, I doubt that, but what does scare me is the self -fulfilling shit and that people are going to be jumping out of windows and shooting things up and all the ones that have convinced themselves of some diluted idea.

[516] That's going to be very interesting.

[517] Well, the other thing is, like, no one's saying it's going to be the end of the world.

[518] It's just the end of this calendar.

[519] It could be a new era that's awesome, you know.

[520] It very easily could.

[521] In my personal analysis, the end of the mind calendar is the end of the age of Pisces.

[522] That's it The great year starts again With the age of Aquarius It's too hard to predict You have like a 1500 to 3 ,000 year buffer It's 26 ,000 year cycle Right You know, especially of the equinoxes Right And that's what I think it is But whatever I don't pay attention to those things You know I don't pay attention to it But I do pay attention to the fact That so many people pay attention to it Well, of course You know, I'm fascinated by astrology I don't know if I'm believing in it 100 % But I think it's amazing that they can, you know, halfway nail down personalities and different traits when they're really good at it.

[523] We could argue on that one.

[524] I would love to.

[525] The power of suggestion is quite phenomenal in the world today.

[526] You'd be amazed.

[527] Even as far as like structuring questions.

[528] As far as structuring questions.

[529] Leading people into, yeah, I've seen that.

[530] I've seen like psychic stuff.

[531] People do shit like that.

[532] But I'm not even talking about that.

[533] I'm not going about like somebody giving you a date and some of those real astrologists that want to know like what time you were born.

[534] And I don't know if it's real.

[535] But it's amazing that it's been around so long.

[536] I do not know if it's real, but it's amazing that at one point in time, someone actually dedicated enough time to writing down some sort of a system to figure out which different things that are in line when you're born.

[537] And that's kind of amazing, really.

[538] I think it's beautiful, beautiful from the standpoint of a cultural standpoint, trying to find your place in the universe.

[539] Think about what people are doing.

[540] They're looking at the sky.

[541] It looks flat and 2D.

[542] They think about associations.

[543] They want to feel like they're connected to it.

[544] The whole definition of God, and if you go back to my first film, most natural phenomenon, stellar cults originated, merged into the Judaism, Judeo -Christian Islamic religion by symbolism, just became hysterized, basically.

[545] But, you know, the beauty of it is that people are trying to relate to something.

[546] That's what I see.

[547] But they still thought the sky was flat.

[548] Right.

[549] So the constellations don't even exist.

[550] They're not actually there.

[551] They just look that way, you know.

[552] They thought, who is they thought the sky was flat?

[553] Well, if you look at the sky, it looks perfectly flat.

[554] And the constellations and the depictions are actually flat.

[555] That's how they're, that's why they have little animal things and things like that.

[556] And the sun rising, let's say, the summer solstice, you know, where I believe that's the birth note or it's the spring equinox, I can't remember.

[557] It's a completely 2D prima facie surface flatland view and it doesn't hold any actual validity because they had no idea that it was actually the depth, you know, the depth of these stars and their radiance is so far away, they're burning out, they're changing, there's morphine, there's expansion.

[558] So, you know.

[559] So they just looked at it as almost like a picture, a flat, two -dimensional picture.

[560] Pants is going to fall down.

[561] It's amazing that they did that for so long, though.

[562] They really studied constellations.

[563] I guess that's a beautiful art for him.

[564] It's a beautiful concept.

[565] That was outside.

[566] Where is that?

[567] Outside.

[568] Who's that?

[569] Mother beating this kid.

[570] Her kid.

[571] Lovely Pasadena.

[572] Speaking of culture.

[573] Well, this is the only thing.

[574] That's the worst you have to worry about Pasadena.

[575] You know, this is not like.

[576] You know, it's funny.

[577] It's jungles of Africa.

[578] I know this girl that I was a stripper a long time ago, and she found out about you from the green room of a strip club there was a hair designer that was a gay guy that was in love with your shit and so he used to tag you throughout San Francisco and in this green room of a strip club your tag is all over he just tagged the fuck out of this green room that's how she found out about it and then she got so moved by your movie that she started posting flyers around San Francisco to promote your movie because she was so moved by your That was what was so phenomenal on the original, it still persists to this day on its own.

[579] I did no publicity for any of these things.

[580] It's always been self -driven.

[581] Somehow it seemed to tap into some element of people that they appreciated and felt the need to re -communicate to other people, which is inadvertent to me. I certainly didn't anticipate that.

[582] Was it blown your mind?

[583] Well, I get these marketing calls occasionally or emails from these marketing jackasses.

[584] Like, how did you do that?

[585] What kind of algorithms are you using in your viral media?

[586] Like, it's just word of mouth, man. That's hilarious.

[587] It's highly envied.

[588] The film series is highly envied by a lot of people.

[589] There's a lot of films trying to duplicate the idea, too.

[590] Duplicate the concept and build kind of a farce community out of it in the same way that was natural to the movement.

[591] So, but anyway, what do you expect?

[592] It's amazing.

[593] Everyone assumes dollar signs when there's a lot of people around.

[594] Yeah, of course.

[595] There's always been someone at the helm of something at different points in time.

[596] You know, different cultures, different religions, You know, different kingdoms.

[597] There's always been someone with a new idea.

[598] And I think everybody sort of recognizes that this thing has fallen apart.

[599] No one's buying it anymore.

[600] And a new thing's going to come along, man. And we've got to jump on it.

[601] We're going to jump on it because this really is the future because this dying animal that you see this, this fucking elephant and donkey system is stupid.

[602] It's stupid and everybody recognizes.

[603] It's destroying us.

[604] Yeah.

[605] Just look around.

[606] It's destroying the fabric of almost everything that you see around you.

[607] You have every life support system's in decline.

[608] Our psychology is really fucked up.

[609] Have you taken a look around what the culture is doing today?

[610] I mean, the public health issue is bad enough.

[611] I'm just waiting for the tipping point where the lifespan starts to tip because I think that's just a matter of time too.

[612] I have a friend that has a 10 -year -old and she has her 10 -year -old is in school and, you know, he's an active kid.

[613] And the psychologist or psychiatrist, I guess it would be for school, is trying to give the kid drugs.

[614] Yeah, correct.

[615] And he says, well, he's a good kid.

[616] He's not he's not he just gets bored in class and he acts up a little bit But he doesn't need to be drug and she goes you're so easy you're so quick to drug them like how many kids in his classes are are are on drugs And he says well I am not on liberty to give that it's confidential information but let me tell you it somewhere near half So I don't know why the fuck he would say that he's not at liberty So and then she goes wait a minute half half do you know you think half of the kids in school have a mental problem to the point where they need drugs?

[617] Wow!

[618] That's amazing!

[619] That is amazing that there's someone out there that is a professional that's able to do something like that.

[620] Now, this is a woman telling me about her child.

[621] I do not know if her numbers were correct.

[622] You know, I mean, she might have just...

[623] Maybe she was adding marijuana to the factory.

[624] She's not a dummy, though.

[625] She's not a dummy, you know, and she was telling me this with, and it made a whole lot of sense to me, and I was like, that is amazing.

[626] That they're just, they're so willing to drug people.

[627] That's a sign of sickness.

[628] Well, absolutely.

[629] I mean, that's the stifle fucking sucks, okay?

[630] There's a reason why your kids moving around.

[631] He's healthy.

[632] He's healthy.

[633] His brain works great.

[634] Yeah, and he's getting all this input that blows.

[635] And he knows he can get out of that class and play video games and have laughs with his friends and say hi to girls.

[636] And that would be awesome.

[637] But right now, this sucks.

[638] And it just, I can't take the suck any longer.

[639] It's like, it's like you're telling me that the only way to learn is to be bored into a fucking coma and just accept this really low frequency of memorizing.

[640] shit that some other asshole figured out and so that's that's that's that's what school is every day just pounding it into you that the only way to get through this is you're going to have to hate it meanwhile everything else you get good at every game you get good at you get good at because you love it you know you get good at video games because they're fun when you get to be a badass at a video game it's because that video game's awesome why do guys get good at basketball because it's fun to be good at basketball when you hit that three -pointer it's fucking fun everything else that you get good at it's fun.

[641] Except the shit that you have to deal with in school.

[642] Unmotivated people.

[643] They're underpaid and you want to talk about like the symptom of a sick society.

[644] The fact that we put so little emphasis on schools, so little emphasis on teaching, it should be an honor.

[645] It should be an amazing fields.

[646] Yeah.

[647] To let and to guard over people's children, man. You should be the most honorable, respectable people available.

[648] Super intelligent and super well paid.

[649] We should be paying teachers fuck loads of money man you know they should be it should be like a prestigious position it should be something that you like really aspire to instead of something where it's a passion but you're getting fucked by the system where you barely have enough money to eat you know you look at how much a teacher makes in a public school system it's fucking deplorable it's amazing that it's accepted it's like for for whatever reason we don't step out of boundaries and look at it objectively and go we've got some core problems and a big part of it is our children And they develop to become shitty fucking human beings.

[650] Against their own intentions, it's not like they want to suck.

[651] Of course.

[652] You know, kids don't want to suck.

[653] Kids are just balls of potential.

[654] Victims, the victims of a system that really doesn't care, doesn't understand how to care.

[655] Doesn't put any resources towards it.

[656] It's like you have so much money to go to war and you have so little to go to school.

[657] That's amazing.

[658] It's amazing that you've worked out the numbers that way.

[659] And the highest level of imposition you can have is to go to college, get $80 ,000 with a debt.

[660] And then guess what?

[661] ripe to be enslaved in some hideous corporate establishment.

[662] Oh, well, you're just hoping you can afford a Lexus next year.

[663] You know, every day just live in a slave.

[664] But back to the drug issue, it just preps kids now so they can, when they get to be adults and try to figure out why they're so miserable, why they hate their job, why they have no contribution in society, why they don't have any artistic energy anymore.

[665] Well, that's perfect because then you can give them the Prozac and give them all the other drugs that will nullify them to make them adhere to this process.

[666] They just numb up.

[667] poor little guys so if you analyze all that and you statistically view public health from a psychological mental health standpoint you look at the depression rates you look at everything then you look at the environmental problems you look at you just go straight down the spectrum of public health to physical health to to environmental health you have one massive drop off it's ridiculous and that's that's the data idea with far too often and that's why I think the system can't hold up for that much longer I mean the cancer rates are out of control for one as a general rule there's more cancer occurring now than ever before.

[668] There's too many of us, clearly, right?

[669] No, it's not too many of us, no?

[670] Nope, I don't agree with that at all.

[671] That's some people, intuitively speaking, you would want to say that.

[672] I think the world can hold many, many more times the number of people if it was properly structured.

[673] But we have to also deal with something different as far as, like, fuel, right?

[674] We can't be a carbon -based.

[675] We can't be a fossil fuel base.

[676] Another great paradigm shift is we've been living off of fossil deposits, which is, One of the ignorant things possible, since we're surrounded by the movement of energy from the sun and everything else.

[677] We have these, we have, there's no crisis in energy.

[678] There's no energy problem.

[679] There's only the crisis of ignorance, as I stated before.

[680] And that's really the big thing.

[681] We have plenty of energy.

[682] So you think ideally, especially in Southern California, we should have like solar domes, right?

[683] There should be like things.

[684] Well, you should, well, you really want to hear into it.

[685] Grids covering the sky, all solar.

[686] Well, you just go, you go local.

[687] You take this block, which has plenty of sun exposure, and you apply photofate paints and high quality advancements.

[688] And there's not just very little money going into that research, by the way.

[689] It's hard to get any kind of funding for those things.

[690] So if you imagine how fast we could advance with these renewable mediums localized, if we actually put the energy into them, you can do the extrapolation on how far we'd become.

[691] Because technology just continues to move beyond our expectations.

[692] Don't you need batteries, though, for solar?

[693] between supercapacitors and hydrogen, which is the new idea, you could store these things for easily overcome the intermittency of solar, easily through battery technology.

[694] The problem with battery technology, again, in the market system, you want constant turnover, you want scarcity.

[695] You want people to go back and buy more batteries, because that's what this entire system is.

[696] Is it also the problem minerals to create the batteries, like lithium ion?

[697] Do they get...

[698] Not if you go for hydrogen, but no, I think...

[699] But hydrogen batteries or hydrogen storage you're talking about?

[700] So this would not be a solar issue, then?

[701] because you can't really...

[702] You bring the solar into it.

[703] You bring solar power and then you convert that into hydrogen somehow?

[704] It's stored in the water.

[705] Stored in the hydrogen.

[706] How is that?

[707] That's a new technology that's been...

[708] Wow, so no need for batteries?

[709] No need for lithium ion.

[710] No need for the minerals that they get in the Congo.

[711] You might have to have some lithium ion in intermittent sense, depending on how the battery is constructed, but super capacitors, which is another concept which isn't utilized.

[712] Like your computer has capacitors that store energy that's a very different technology.

[713] than the standard battery, which is kind of like a, you fill it in.

[714] There's many different forms, and there's a great deal of advancement there.

[715] There's really nothing that I can find that would inhibit storage for intermittency from solar if you really put your mind to it.

[716] To say that would take some more deep analysis, but I can't imagine we'd run out of minerals just for that.

[717] Well, it's always been ironic to me that the chain from minerals coming out of the ground to super advanced technology.

[718] It's such a barbaric chain.

[719] You know, you look down at the people in no shoes with pickaxes, pulling the minerals out of the ground in the Congo, and how that eventually gets to your Apple laptop.

[720] It's like, wow, it's pretty fascinating.

[721] That is all, I mean, that that's a part of the equation.

[722] The part of the equation for high technology, whether it's solar power or anything, is you need the minerals from Africa.

[723] Oh, of course.

[724] And that's how they're extracting those fucking things.

[725] Until molecular engineering comes into play and we begin to synthesize these raw materials from scratch, the molecular engineering, which is around the corner probably within the next 50, 60 years.

[726] There's already small advancements in that.

[727] See, the more you...

[728] That's like, that's alchemy.

[729] It is kind of, kind of, yeah, sure.

[730] I mean, really, it's like that's what people predicted.

[731] Well, you remember probably the old, many years ago, it was one of the companies, they spelled their name in little atoms, and they showed it in the magnifying glass, a big feat.

[732] We've come a long way since then, and there's a lot of great futurist ideas out there that can basically create replicators for your home, where you're not going to be going to a store to buy anything, you're going to be creating these things in your home.

[733] And if there's anything that will destroy the market system quite rapidly it will be advancements like that.

[734] How do you possibly maintain labor systems where you can synthesize a laptop in one swoop?

[735] Download the model from your computer.

[736] It goes into this vat, this dust, and then the molecular element is released just like you print into a printer, or 3D printing, which I had in my film moving forward as a primitive notion of that.

[737] They can print full cars now on one swoop.

[738] There's so much advanced technology out there that is not known that would solve so many problems it's frustrating it's very frustrating and the very fact that these efficiencies are there and not being pushed as fast as they should be is even more frustrating but you see why why because efficiency is the enemy of everything that turns a profit we want to service everything we don't want to solve problems we want people with cancer not to cure the cancer we want you really think that's an ethic though that they think about that or do you think it's subconscious it's a syntax of thought they don't necessarily think that way just like guys sitting around a room in the Pentagon start to justify killing 3 ,000 people they're not thinking in terms of being murderers or anything else they're thinking in terms of business so you know if you if you want to make a laptop and you want people to buy it again that things in a lot die probably three years from the time you buy it different component problems that will go out does it mean it has to no but the turnover is so important efficient inefficiency is the driver of this system which is why we have the pollution problems the waste problems and the health problems and why they feed in together and why you are our whole GDP is literally driven by sickness and inefficiency and waste that's just if there's anything that blows my mind it's how anti -economic our current system really is on all levels so if you want to solve problems you want to make a car that last 60 years that's easily interchangeable that can be excuse me more than that maybe a hundred years easily interchangeable that can be updated you want to make a smartphone that has the longest lasting components that you don't need to throw away these things could be done if we wanted to do it but it be an ethema to what the market system requires for constant turnover.

[739] Constant turnover, constant money circulation, means more jobs.

[740] So this planned obsolescence you think is this like a business model?

[741] It's planned and intrinsic.

[742] Another level is intrinsic.

[743] It's not just that people, you know, they build things the best they can and they don't last, they just break.

[744] Two levels to it.

[745] Planned obsolescence is very real.

[746] You can go into historical archives of car companies to know that they strategize.

[747] I can guarantee you people behind Apple sit there in their rooms and they have full -on statistics.

[748] It's called operating systems.

[749] Oh, you have an operating system.

[750] system update.

[751] You're going to love it, but it's going to make your computer.

[752] The software, the software scam is even worse, because that's just number ones and zeros.

[753] The fact that they even charge over and over for that's more hilarious.

[754] That's planned obsolescence.

[755] Intrinsic obsolescence is even more fucked up if you think about it.

[756] That computer for it to be built has to go through the engine of the industrial profit complex, which means all the components, the extraction, everything else, someone's taking off the top throughout the entire thing, right?

[757] And there's cost efficiency at the very end.

[758] So if you're Apple computer, you want to buy the components, wants to make your computer, you can't buy necessarily the highest grade level stuff in order to make competitive against the other people that are selling computers similar, like Windows or whatever.

[759] So you have to constantly be a little bit behind in order to be competitive so you can drop the price.

[760] In other words, the quality of the product has to be diminished immediately for people to afford it.

[761] The equation of cost efficiency refuses to allow the best possible goods to be produced at any one time, period it's a rule it's a natural evolution natural a natural dynamic if you will of what it means to save money and to make profit so everything's a piece of shit the moment it's produced yeah well that's except for shit like ferrari's even a Ferrari though think about the price of a Ferrari though that's why it's so expensive yeah but i mean they really they decide to just make the best it's not really the best oh fuck yeah it is well the four five eight Italia have you seen that thing?

[762] No, I'm sure.

[763] Twin Clutch Gearbox, ridiculously powered V8, mid -engine supercar.

[764] Come on, man. That's about as good as human beings have ever created.

[765] It really is.

[766] It's the peak of engineering.

[767] They use race car driving to engineer their cars.

[768] They push cars to the limit.

[769] And every year they go around the Nureberg ring like a couple of seconds faster.

[770] Everybody's like straining for like the new Porsche is seven minutes and 40 seconds, the new 9 -11.

[771] Is it electric?

[772] No, it's not electric, but they have cars that they have developed that are electric.

[773] Porsche has, they had a GT3 cup car that they raced in the 24 -hour race that was an electric car.

[774] They're definitely trying to come up with electric technology, but they're making the best cars they can make.

[775] Well, let's define.

[776] When you get to like, there's certain things that are being done right now.

[777] They're at the peak of production.

[778] Even though they are being produced, they're essentially making like some high -end shit that's the best they can.

[779] in May. We could probably argue that one because if you look at all the advanced propulsion technology that's used in NASA, why aren't they applying such things like that?

[780] You can try to thought to your car.

[781] Not exactly, but there are all sorts of things that could be, that are probably more advanced than either of us know that could be applied to that Ferrari, but they're not because of how it's truly expensive.

[782] Therefore, no one would be able to buy it.

[783] And it wouldn't work on gas that you could get a pump either.

[784] You have to work within no constraints.

[785] Because our gas is actually really low compared to our octane's only 91.

[786] In other parts of the country.

[787] I know you can get like 93 or four.

[788] Sure.

[789] So I guess it's bad to have more octane.

[790] But you see my point though you can't make something really that people can buy.

[791] I see what you're saying for the most part.

[792] It's demographic targeted too.

[793] So what's the majority of people majority of people are lower middle class.

[794] You make shit that doesn't work very well so they can afford it and invariably it breaks and they suffer in the end because they have to deal with the constant cyclical turnover and the need to constantly repair and everything else.

[795] When everything hits the fan and you start your cult what will everyone do for a job how does everyone get you'll be doing my laundry I'll be doing your laundry I'm not good at laundry you're not going to want me to do you laundry right um what what do does everybody get a job I mean what does it become communism I mean how do you figure out what the fuck everybody does to contribute to this thing what if you you know what if you're a lazy cunt how do we deal with lazy cunts you remember that lazy cunts are victims of culture right that's that's the threshold here is where do we take them on mushroom trips and straighten them out what we do well think about it this way if you had a kid go into a store and there's a kid and his mother and the kid it's today and the kid goes and grabs some stuff and shoves it in his pockets the mom says no that stealing slaps the kid's hand the kid learns a valuable lesson and his values are altered right think about the same type of idea where we go into a store there's no money it's not even a store it's a it's a supply house and a kid goes in he grabs whole handfuls of shit that is really unnecessary because there's no utility for it and the mother says no that's not what we do because we don't need all of that.

[796] It has to be there.

[797] We'll come back and get it later as we need it because these systems are that efficient.

[798] So you see how the value programming is very easy to adapt.

[799] So throughout time you'd begin to change people's values, how they relate to their environment.

[800] Imagine if you didn't have to worry about money, Joe.

[801] Imagine the extent that you could pursue in your life the interest that you found interesting and invariably, I guarantee you, if you look at how people respond, especially in their later years, and they get more introspective, everyone wants to feel like they're contributing to society.

[802] Everyone wants to feel like they've done something social.

[803] So that kind of greed, self -absorbed shit, that's a very adolescent, immature thing.

[804] It's probably there to a certain effect in the evolution, the adaptation of the human being as he grows.

[805] But if you have a system that doesn't support to reinforce those issues, the miserable cocksuckers and dimwits and assholes and jerkoffs won't materialize.

[806] They need, but they're here.

[807] We need to figure out how to get rid of them Either to get rid of them or to fix them and bring them up That's going to be very difficult because that's a real issue It's a real issue It's a super real issue at the core of everything It's an educational problem It's why Doug Stanhope had to stop doing his parties in the desert Oh It's what it is I didn't hear that story Doug had a lot Doug Stanhope my buddy and Hilarious comedian Used to have these Parties in the desert But you would have like you know Anybody could come And everybody knew about it online So you would have like a thousand really cool people and two just unbearable douchebags sure and the two unbearable douchebags would make the make the whole party useless and those guys need to be you have you have to figure out what to do with them they there's some people out there that are a fucking mess not an issue having this beautiful solar dome where you all this hippie pussy inside just lining up for you we're still going to have to deal with the barbarians at the gates because otherwise they like the Nubians that stormed Egypt and took over the pyramids, they're going to come in and rush this bitch.

[808] Well, I don't see this materializing in some isolated place where the barbarians are waiting on the sidelines to a...

[809] They're us.

[810] They're people.

[811] If the power went out right now, there would be hordes of barbarians on the street with hockey sticks and guns and whatever the fuck they could.

[812] Yes, they would.

[813] Get whatever the fuck you had.

[814] And that would last for a little while until someone said, you don't have to do that if we just calm down a moment.

[815] But the transition can happen even with the people that we have now that seem to be the creme de la creme, the victims of this culture.

[816] It's just going to take a great deal of care.

[817] And I think as a natural consequence, as the system fails, there'll be a great number of people that will turn around faster than you would believe.

[818] Once their needs are pulled away from them, they realize that their needs have to come from some other process or somewhere else, then the adaptation becomes natural.

[819] Well, one of the things about the Occupy Wall Street movement that's fascinated me is the idea that all these people sort of live together you know they don't they're not just you know protesting together they have fucking tents and they have a community there you know they have books you could like go to their little library and and read their books they have them all set up there you know that's so I mean it's essentially right now it's not really a commune but it's on its way and they get easy it's one of those guys said listen man my cousin has a hundred acres out in the wilderness and they have fruit trees and they have they grow vegetables and there's animals and we can hunt we can make a fucking culture let's do this as long as we as long as you don't show any aggression towards the government certainly been done before but then they shut you down and they go waco on your ass and fucking they blow towards the buildings or if you're a whole other country like the attempts of the bolshevik revolution or something something new despite what anyone ever thought of communism that was quickly shut down as a concept by the western powers you got to be totally non -threatening if you want to start this cults you have to like get a nice piece of property but it's got to be real pretty and there's no property this isn't this is an evolution of ideas we're not going to we're not going to set up any when the shit hits the fan you're going to need a camp peter right come on man right up right outside of arizona get my jim jim jones glasses yeah you don't need glasses dude you're going to be fine you're really good at this you can make eye contact to these people and just and just run the whole big solar dome right there from sonoma Sonoma's a good spot.

[820] They're prepared.

[821] They're accepting it.

[822] They're ready.

[823] They've got the crystals out.

[824] They're ready to take the vibe in.

[825] Yeah.

[826] What is going to happen, man?

[827] Do you think that we're going to have a situation where money is going to lose all of its value, I mean, where it's going to be so bad, and the economy is going to get bankrupt?

[828] So inextricably that we're going to be stuck in a situation where, we're like Russia was at one point in time, or, you know, where they were waiting on line with bales of money to buy a loaf of bread?

[829] Well, you're already seeing the militarization of the police.

[830] You're already seeing the social destabilization spread because of the faulty economic premise that is creating the unemployment, that is creating the debt crisis, that it will invariably highly be very inhibited by the energy crisis if massive moves aren't met.

[831] So the three issues, as I mentioned before, is the unemployment crisis.

[832] I'd expand on that.

[833] Let's think about this for a second.

[834] If you have technology replacing human labor, which is omitted across the board now, mostly by columnists as opposed to economists, because economists, market economists, are an extreme denial on this one, and many a debate.

[835] You replace people, but you're not just replacing their job.

[836] You're replacing their ability to purchase other stuff and circulate the economy.

[837] And that's even worse, and it's farthest extension.

[838] That means that the entire fuel of growth is being slowly shut down, which means that the system will lose more and more and the system will eventually just stifle to a point that it can't operate anymore, apart from common or medial jobs or problems that might arise.

[839] But there's no way you're going to continue employing people on this planet in the numbers that we have in the past.

[840] It's all downhill from here because the profit motivation to replace people by machines is inherent to the interest to save money.

[841] McDonald's has had systems on the shelf for 20 years now that would replace everyone in their kitchen.

[842] Now they have the front kiosk systems as well.

[843] They don't do it only because their corporate view is to be social and as an employer.

[844] They have a stake in that, even though it's completely contrary to logic.

[845] And if you look carefully, they are automating very, very slowly, just like all the grocery stores are automating.

[846] You're reducing purchasing power, and there's no way the system's going to maintain itself once that continues and accelerates.

[847] It's the contradiction of capitalism.

[848] So the idea of human labor is becoming obsolete.

[849] That in its own right is going to inspire some serious reflection and some massive upheavals it's going to cause...

[850] Can everybody contribute?

[851] Is it possible that everybody can find their own unique way to contribute outside of manufacturing things, outside of working, menial jobs, outside of fast food, supermarkets, retail?

[852] When you remember that...

[853] It's a lot of jobs, man. Consumption is twice what it was now than it was in World War II.

[854] Right.

[855] Advertising is completely fucked up.

[856] Twice per capita?

[857] Twice per person.

[858] The average person's in America, since World War II consumes twice the amount of shit, which obviously means something's a skew.

[859] Why?

[860] Why is that?

[861] Why do we feel the need to have all this other excess stuff?

[862] Socially speaking, if you go to small tribes that don't have access to television, they're very, very happy with a very minimalistic life.

[863] Their happiness isn't contingent upon how they compare themselves to others or any type of notion of value.

[864] They live in the culture that's been manifest within the resources around them, and they're happier than any American with the multi -million dollar house and everything.

[865] anything else, which is usually on antidepressants.

[866] So we have as a neuroses that's been built, which is fueling all this industry that's completely irrelevant, basically.

[867] And the more that happens, the more we try to invent new jobs.

[868] You know, I had one guy economists tell me that, oh, we're just going to end up using Facebook money.

[869] Say, well, have everybody on the internet doing something with Facebook or some other network where somehow they gain credits, and they'll use those credits as currency.

[870] Pokes.

[871] Now, is that, yeah, something, I don't know.

[872] I was talking about this like a year ago, remember this?

[873] Remember, Joe?

[874] Yeah, you did.

[875] The future is going to be pox.

[876] Pokes is going to be where you make your money.

[877] And my point is it wouldn't surprise me if we reached that point, where you have a whole group of these freaks, like straight out of like idiocracy or something, where they're all doing the most relevant actions, a relevant waste of life, waste of the human brain, does nothing to contribute, just to maintain the idea of employment.

[878] So I don't think that's going to happen.

[879] I think it's going to self -destruct.

[880] Once the energy crisis hits and the debt crisis, which continues to strangle hold the entire planet, these three things will combine.

[881] I can't predict the future, but I think within a couple of years, you're going to see some very, very radical shifts in a lot of governments on this planet.

[882] I think a lot of detachment will occur.

[883] You're going to see an extension of military invasions.

[884] They got out of Iraq.

[885] They're going to go into Iran.

[886] They've got to get their energy resources there.

[887] They've got to secure the Middle East for other resources as far as minerals and gold and other things that are there, too.

[888] The faster it collapses, the more criminal the meltdown becomes.

[889] And that's something, too, I think people should pay attention to you.

[890] We haven't even seen shit yet now that we have time holes, by the way, just.

[891] Did you see that Pentagon created some time holes?

[892] And now they could make events disappear.

[893] Well, no, first of all, you're dealing with, like, nanoseconds.

[894] You're dealing with...

[895] Right now, this is version one.

[896] Yeah.

[897] And this is only what they're telling us about.

[898] They could have been having these time holes for some time.

[899] I don't think so, because essentially the Pentagon is using guys that are at the forefront of science.

[900] And the forefront of science is published.

[901] It's pretty much out there.

[902] Everybody knows pretty much what everybody's working on.

[903] I mean, not...

[904] I mean, there's definitely some blackout...

[905] projects, but, you know, these guys, there's not a whole lot of these dudes, you know, and the way they stay at this level of, you know, of being a bad, super intelligent motherfucker.

[906] So they have to exchange information.

[907] How long is it, just a few seconds?

[908] Like, like, somebody flick my nipple and I'd be like, who did this?

[909] No, you wouldn't even be able to perceive it.

[910] There's no way you'd be able to perceive it.

[911] But the idea is that this is just one of 40 picose seconds.

[912] That's what it is.

[913] It's what it's, the researchers admit there's a big difference between human hiding laser beams for 40.

[914] Pigo seconds and hiding military operations lasting minutes or even several seconds.

[915] But the idea is that they've started it.

[916] Wow.

[917] Yeah.

[918] They've started some interesting shit.

[919] That is really exciting.

[920] Well, you know what, man, it isn't.

[921] It isn't.

[922] I mean, everything is military.

[923] The Pentagon is the one that fucking came up with this.

[924] That's the most incredible thing.

[925] Like, when you look at our capacity for innovation, the really impressive shit is all the stuff that blows things to fuck up.

[926] Of course.

[927] You know, look, cell phone cameras are really impressive.

[928] It's really impressive that you can make a little video and make a movie from your phone you know it's way more impressive you drop a little box out of a plane and a city evaporates yeah that's incredible you know and what is that that's just that's you know that's the peak of our technology the peak of our technology that's the most impressive is a fucking laser beam that cut the earth in half you know if there's any any better proxy i'm not quite sure what is you know if you look at how much energy and ingenuity is going into these things what if we apply that idea to feeding people what if we apply that idea to doing actually relevant shit Well, then the hard -nosed folks that occasionally I agree with would say, well, you know what?

[929] These fucks, they don't feed themselves.

[930] This is evolution out there.

[931] They're supposed to be figuring it out.

[932] Right.

[933] It's supposed to be getting it together, which I don't, I don't 100 % agree with.

[934] They should pick, like, a year where, like, the whole year, they're like, all right, every scientist, you're, this year, this year, it's cancer.

[935] You have one year.

[936] And just every single scientist, like, devote on something.

[937] No, well, that doesn't make any sense because scientists have particular fields that they're scientists in.

[938] Yeah, but they're all, still, they're all scientists.

[939] to scientists, you want nuclear physicists to go after AIDS.

[940] Well, if you think another example, the market system's so inhibiting through its competitive mechanisms that the Prima Fasci Association, the assumption is that basically everyone competing amongst themselves within the same sector will produce better results.

[941] But that's cognitively erroneous.

[942] You want to get people together to share their ideas, not get proprietary.

[943] You want to be able to actually, if they really have the interest to cure or solve a problem or create something of the highest efficiency, utility, there's no better way to do that than to get them with that creative drive in one setting.

[944] So you take all the cell phone companies, put them together, diminish them into one holding company for all of humanity that produce the best goddamn cell phone.

[945] Right.

[946] You could do that for anything.

[947] And I'm sure if we actually thought about that, cancer would be cured.

[948] Well, there's actually cancer cures out there already.

[949] But cancer, as we know, in the establishment, would have been cured a long, long time ago.

[950] There's way too much money being made through this competitive practice, though.

[951] And, of course, the elongation of cancer.

[952] And that goes back to the inefficiency mechanism is what drives it all.

[953] If I could give you the wheel, if I could give you the wheel of this great, great world, this great society, there's one, one giant global culture, what would you do?

[954] What would your first move?

[955] If Peter Joseph just won the electrons.

[956] It's the wrong logic, though, because it's, well, there wouldn't be any elections.

[957] There's no greater, fucking insults.

[958] An online poll.

[959] You won.

[960] You get to be king.

[961] No, I would, there wouldn't be a place for that.

[962] Heidi Maintog was a close second.

[963] She didn't get as much pox, which is unfortunate.

[964] She didn't quite as many pokes as you, but, you know, the Zichyce movement prevailed.

[965] And you're in charge of putting this thing together.

[966] You don't want to be, right?

[967] You want it all to, like, figure it out itself.

[968] No one single person, it's the greatest insult to fucking have, like, a president of the United States.

[969] What are we in the dynasty?

[970] I guess we're still our monkeys.

[971] Primitive.

[972] We need an alpha.

[973] We need an alpha monkey.

[974] It's apparently it is.

[975] Well, we're still monkeys.

[976] We're just still monkeys, we're still 906 % chimpanzee or whatever we are.

[977] We can adapt pretty quickly that we have that cerebral cortex that popped out that can override all those lower brain reactions by the flight.

[978] Along as we're educated, we grow up well, we're taught how to squash our instincts.

[979] Those stupid instincts are still there.

[980] The instincts to dominate, the instincts to be jealous, the instincts to want to fuck other dudes, girlfriends.

[981] Those instincts are all primal.

[982] You know, they're all in there, unfortunately.

[983] Maybe, maybe not, though.

[984] Every film you see out there reinforces such things like that.

[985] it's hard to say every film reinforces it but also does every your instincts your own nature you know we are clearly some sort of an animal and conscious being hybrid you know and we we battle with these very primitive I mean you ever be in front of somebody and you just want to punch them in the fucking head well if you were a chimp and you were living in the jungle that's what you would do we just punch them in the head that chimp is pissing you off you just bite it you know I mean that's what they do that's what you're in we have this thing going on in our head where we're trying to squash all that nonsense.

[986] I'll just throw poop on them.

[987] You're a bonobo, that's why.

[988] They're much more peaceful.

[989] They solve most of their fights with carrying around sticks.

[990] So they do.

[991] Whoever picks up the biggest stick is like, oh, he's a bad motherfucker, look at that stick.

[992] You know, they don't actually, like, go to blows.

[993] Like, the regular chimpanzees fuck each other up.

[994] They kill each other.

[995] But bonobos, really, they mostly solved their issues through sex.

[996] Is that you?

[997] Yeah.

[998] How do you saw your...

[999] I just throw poop on you.

[1000] Okay.

[1001] There's no universals, though.

[1002] There's no universal.

[1003] There's no king.

[1004] I know what you're saying, and I know you're very sensitive about this, because that is what happens in every situation where one person gets an inordinate amount of attention like I'm sure you're getting.

[1005] And you're a very charismatic dude.

[1006] You're very intelligent.

[1007] You're very well spoken.

[1008] There must be some sort of a push in one sense or another to get you to kind of lead things, right?

[1009] I mean, you must feel...

[1010] Well, that's why I'm here.

[1011] I'm just trying to communicate these ideas.

[1012] Do you feel responsible?

[1013] Does it, like, I mean, you've created a movement, right?

[1014] I mean, essentially, you press the button.

[1015] Movement created itself.

[1016] It created itself, but you did press the start.

[1017] I suppose.

[1018] But then again, you know, in the sense of causality, who of us really trigger anything?

[1019] I could go back and take the zeitgeist film and I could say, well, this is an influence of all these other people.

[1020] I could say Bill Hicks and George Carlin made zeitgeist, you know, this is the values just spread.

[1021] There's like an evolution and there's an organism of knowledge that we all hold on to.

[1022] But you were part of it as well.

[1023] No, I understand your point.

[1024] I know you're being humble.

[1025] I understand your point.

[1026] If you didn't create that video, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[1027] you wouldn't have had this movement you wouldn't have so you've charged up a lot of people's brains with that man it was there's been a lot of inspiration out there which has come from many different directions explain so I had an issue with the 9 -11 stuff that when you guys did the first video essentially you were saying that 9 -11 was an inside job that you knew that the buildings could not have come down any other way right isn't that something that was said with creative license yeah that's what was definitely implied and you said that just to for a fact because it was your this was the you you did not anticipate this ever being what it was and you were just trying to get an effect out of the assumption of the audience would of course make up their own mind because before that there's a great deal of evidence in the opinion of the creator then all probabilities moving forward yeah that statement was made declaratory do you you think that when you see like tower one and tower two do you think that they were detonated tower one and tower two most probably were it's all x y's and z's to me World Trade Center 7, by all means?

[1028] The World Trade Center 7 is the only one that when you look at it, it fell into its foundation, which is exactly what happened.

[1029] Even beyond that, you have eyewitness testimony of people that were stepping over bodies from pre -weakening explosions that were there.

[1030] You have all sorts of things that do not add up, seismic elements that were brought into play.

[1031] Supposedly no one died in Tower 7.

[1032] No, there was a whole sea of people.

[1033] Remember the guy that mysteriously died, I believe, of some illness?

[1034] His name was a black man with glasses.

[1035] Oh, I know what you were talking about.

[1036] He was the guy who said that he saw bodies.

[1037] He and one other person were in the elevators that blew out on the eighth floor.

[1038] And basically he was the only eyewitness testimony to that in the lobby.

[1039] And he actually worked for the mayor, too, which was even more interesting.

[1040] Well, that one certainly looks like a demolition, the way it fell.

[1041] But the other towers, I've never seen a controlled demolition where it starts from the top and sort of pancakes down like that.

[1042] It usually falls into itself.

[1043] you know, it goes, it goes and collapse into its space.

[1044] I mean, I don't know, maybe there's another way to do it.

[1045] Maybe they can do it where it pancakes down.

[1046] But it also couldn't it, isn't it possible that a structural failure because they were hit by giant jet engines, jet planes?

[1047] Not since they were designed to take the impact of such jet planes.

[1048] Yeah, well, couldn't it be just faulty engineering?

[1049] Like they thought it was going to work and they were wrong?

[1050] A cold structure, law of conservation of momentum.

[1051] You have a cold structure down here, regardless of how hot it is up here to see us.

[1052] systemic collapse, if you look at the NIST studies and everything else, which didn't even explain the collapse, by the way, it's beyond improbable, and I've yet to meet one structural engineer that could ever explain that, especially given the free fall nature of it when it hit.

[1053] Not to mention all the other characteristics that sported.

[1054] Free fall, meaning it fell very similar to free fall speed.

[1055] Very close to free fall speed, of course.

[1056] Not to mention the pre -weakening explosions, the sub -basement explosions.

[1057] The recipe of it was perfectly in order with everything that you'd see in control demolition.

[1058] except this was just extremely advanced and it's an implosion instead of an explosion.

[1059] I've had this conversation with several people who believe it's that same thing.

[1060] And one of them was Michael Rupert, who was on last week.

[1061] And I always asked the same question.

[1062] How many people?

[1063] How many people knew about this?

[1064] If you believe that that is the case and you believe that it was some sort of an inside job coordinated explosions.

[1065] Well, if you were an engineer that could have access to the elevator shafts, which would lead you to all the pivotal structural beams that would be required to do this, you could probably do it over the course of time with 15 people.

[1066] 15 people.

[1067] And then what do you do?

[1068] Shoot them all?

[1069] I have no idea.

[1070] You get those workers.

[1071] I'll think about how long it'd take for people to come out about the Kennedy assassination.

[1072] How long it would take for, you know, all these other events that have occurred that people have been tight -lipped about for so, so long.

[1073] Think about any historical event of black operation.

[1074] There's, it's a tight club in that world.

[1075] Tight, tight club.

[1076] It doesn't surprise me at all that no one would come forward.

[1077] My God.

[1078] No one would come forward and they would set up explosions and bring down two gigantic skyscrapers why the world watched.

[1079] And none of those assholes wanted to claim credit for that.

[1080] No one wants to step up and say they had something to do with that.

[1081] Based on historical precedent, it doesn't surprise me at all.

[1082] Just go back and look at all the history of black operations, CIA and FBI.

[1083] Look at the names that were under it.

[1084] Where did those people go?

[1085] Why didn't they talk about the things they were involved in before?

[1086] It's interesting that I know about Hitler burning the Reichstag and, you know, Nero burned Rome.

[1087] And we know that this situation has been, it's happened in history before where someone has created some sort of an artificial dilemma to resolve it.

[1088] and they've done it, you know, to pass laws, to impose their agenda, whatever.

[1089] But then when someone tells me that Oklahoma City, they blew it up just to pass new terrorism laws, I go, get the fuck out of here, man. Part of me doesn't want to accept that.

[1090] Part of me is, even though I know that it's been done before, there's a certain...

[1091] Yeah, it's a more complicated web.

[1092] It was recently released that the FBI has been involved in over 50 % of, quote, terrorist acts that have occurred in U .S. soil.

[1093] What they do is they infiltrate and then they enable in certain ways and sometimes they bust them in the middle or they let it go forward.

[1094] In case of the first World Trade Center bomb you had the guy with the recording of the with the, excuse me, the agent that was there that was working with the terrorist and sided with the FBI and the FBI told him to go forward with the explosion.

[1095] They gave him the bomb to do so.

[1096] So that didn't need to happen.

[1097] That's public record.

[1098] Really?

[1099] So they knew he was going going to blow up the world trade center they had infiltrated the group long before knew he was going to do it and let him yeah they led they gave him the explosion they gave him the detonator the FBI handed Salam was his name and the guy recorded his conversations because he was so upset by what the FBI wanted him to do all of that's in the zeitgeist movement companion guide by the way perfectly honest I'm so sick of talking about that shit really oh it's always the drill there god damn though that's unbelievable I know about the guy and I believe it was Dallas where they talked him into blowing something up, gave him a fake bomb, set him up, and he went and did it, and then they arrested him.

[1100] I'm like, that is just, you found some really dumb guy.

[1101] It's easy to see, if you look at all the warnings of Osama bin Laden and al -Qaeda, easy to see how CIA FBI agents infiltrated a rogue group that were planning to do a terrorist attack in the World Trade Center, infiltrated and aided, and to make sure it worked in the way that they wanted it to, even after the fact with industrial organizing Did people die in the first World Trade Center bombing?

[1102] I believe a couple people did it wasn't that big though I think it was seven people or something So they're responsible for those seven deaths And the only reason it didn't bring down a major beam by the way is because there was another van parked in the wrong spot It was supposed to be right by this one support beam If it did it would have partially imploded down partially collapsed it in and a whole lot more people would have died So you believe that they could 15 people could have rigged the World Trade Center towers and over the course of many months yes and they could have been planning this thing out the whole time and dick cheney's got all these exercise i don't go so far to say that has anything to do with presidents or anything like i think it's it's a standard operating procedure black operation that's that's telltale back in time and just look at how they operated before and they just did it again who uh who sets it up the banks who no it's not it's not that obvious corporate interests and wall street are highly intertwined cia in wall street to highly intertwined.

[1103] You can't speculate on how this idea would really come to fruition.

[1104] All you could think of is that, yes, you have the options there and you have the precedent to do.

[1105] So I have no idea where the source would be.

[1106] It had so many benefits and so many different levels.

[1107] Namely benefit, though, was to the administration, the interest of the oil industry, to move in on the powers of the Middle East and give the ultimate precedent.

[1108] And as a side effect...

[1109] Seems if they were going to orchestrate it, though.

[1110] Wouldn't they orchestrated it with some people?

[1111] Like if we're going to go to Iraq, that's the plan.

[1112] Wouldn't they have Iraqis, attack us?

[1113] I don't think they could have infiltrated it, but they tried their hardest to pin it on Saddam.

[1114] I have one of the first publications, by the way, that was produced the day after 9 -11 by Time magazine.

[1115] It's the most amazing piece of propaganda.

[1116] You flip through it.

[1117] You have every horrible shot as exaggerated as possible, and then boom, you hit Osama bin Laden.

[1118] There he is.

[1119] Next page, Saddam Hussein.

[1120] Next page, the guy from Korea.

[1121] Wow.

[1122] So they just lined them up psychologically.

[1123] And you could easily have seen.

[1124] Saddam was a highlight.

[1125] He was sitting there with a big, big, big, uh, bazooka.

[1126] It was hilarious.

[1127] I mean, it was, there was planted as you could possibly get, which is not a new thing either.

[1128] It's just sad to see how people have no sense of history.

[1129] They don't really understand how business has been covert for so long.

[1130] And then again, what would you expect?

[1131] Government is a business.

[1132] That's what it runs.

[1133] It's one big business.

[1134] We expect more transparency because we have so much more information.

[1135] Transparency was never there to begin with.

[1136] The only reason.

[1137] But we never had the internet either.

[1138] Exactly.

[1139] The only reason we think is because now it starts to leak because of how powerful then the WikiLeaks and people with consciences are coming forward and trying to help and make these things come out.

[1140] But it's really going back to the social system flaw.

[1141] If it's a survival of the fittest concept, if it's a competitive system, it doesn't matter whether it's two people competing for a job, two corporations competing for market share or two countries competing for resources and their own esteem or whatever their interests are as an empire.

[1142] It's the same fundamental logic.

[1143] When Julian Assange came out with all this information, released all this shit, and what did you think was going to happen to that guy?

[1144] I was just disappointed that he chose to put himself in the forefront because it painted a picture of a personality, a cult of personality, which I just can't stand.

[1145] I didn't know what, but I figured he would just be, he would be character -assisted left and right.

[1146] I doubt they would try to do anything to him physically.

[1147] Why do you think he did it?

[1148] It was an ego move to put himself in front of him.

[1149] I think it was inadvertent.

[1150] I think he was a spokesman.

[1151] It was inadvertent.

[1152] But if I was in that position of such massive attention, I would have gotten a team to take the reins and not have one entity.

[1153] That way, there's less for them to attack.

[1154] There's anything that I do in my work, even though I don't consider myself to be that famous, is I'm always dispersing and getting other people to do lots of other things and take the attention away from myself for many different purposes.

[1155] For one, I don't really feel comfortable with that any type of role, as you've joked about.

[1156] It's really not in my character whatsoever.

[1157] It's fascinating that you've gotten to this point, then.

[1158] I just feel like I've been pushed.

[1159] It's an old, like, the little Martin Luther King thing.

[1160] He just felt like I had a big Martin Luther King fan, and he just felt like he was pushed.

[1161] So I kind of allow myself to just be pushed, and I kind of go with the flow.

[1162] But there's nothing more important to me than showing a larger face to this type of concept and not get caught up in the cult of personality issue.

[1163] It has a few different psychological.

[1164] Are you making a living doing lectures now?

[1165] Like, what are you doing for?

[1166] I have never been paid for a lecture.

[1167] I make a modest living trying to commercially now exploit zeitgeist.

[1168] And occasionally, believe it or not, I still do some equity things.

[1169] And we do what we have to do in this system.

[1170] So you're out there scamming the people.

[1171] No, I'm scamming other traders.

[1172] That's what you do.

[1173] Is that what you do?

[1174] It's like a game you're playing?

[1175] It is.

[1176] It's all it is.

[1177] You do what you have to do.

[1178] You know, it could just be a bartender somewhere.

[1179] You know, you pick your poison.

[1180] Why don't you just charge money for lectures?

[1181] It seems like.

[1182] I don't like it.

[1183] I don't like doing that.

[1184] People will be nice to compensate me for trade.

[1185] I appreciate that I can't afford to just flagrantly go out there right I'll be you fly all over the country for free not usually but if there's an event I try to hope that they give me at least something it depends on the nature of the event are you guys going to have like some sort of an annual thing like some sort of a zeit guys party we have well we have we have we have a site guys today which is a very intellectual day with a series of lectures about a dozen of us that give different lectures and different subjects where do you do that we're doing this one in Vancouver last year we did it in London the year before we did in New York see that's pretty badass Yeah, that's a big pivotal part of the kind of awareness program.

[1186] We have had great turnouts.

[1187] That's how you meet the guy with the land.

[1188] That's how the story starts.

[1189] You bring it into my laundry?

[1190] The guy who does your land, man. The guy's going to fucking set up your cut, your compound.

[1191] Who do you think killed Biggie?

[1192] Rampart, bro.

[1193] Like Captain Conspiracy here.

[1194] Who killed Biggie?

[1195] You're not a conspiracy guy, are you?

[1196] No, no. I don't care for those ideas.

[1197] I see the causality of it.

[1198] I don't care for the idea of conspiracy.

[1199] I'm certainly not into the concept as a theme.

[1200] People misunderstood the first film as far as what was said.

[1201] It became, quote, the greatest conspiracy film of all time in some press media, which I thought was a bad, the idea was on cultural fallibility.

[1202] You had religious farce, you have the 9 -11 farce, then you had the entire banking war scam.

[1203] It was all really a matter of how publicly manipulated everyone is into believing that these things are actually legitimate and hold up the social zeitgeist.

[1204] Well, I think what you did, too, is package it all together in a really easily absorbable form that really, like, sent the point home, you know, and again, a lot of people started on a path of thinking that they might not have ever started on it.

[1205] Exactly.

[1206] That's for watching that.

[1207] It seemed to be so amazing.

[1208] You know, you get emails like, you've changed my life.

[1209] It's just amazing to see the response, again, completely inadvertent.

[1210] So you have a certain amount of responsibility because of that.

[1211] Do you feel it?

[1212] Of course I feel it.

[1213] I don't take myself that seriously, though.

[1214] I'm just like anybody else.

[1215] So anytime I run into somebody That has a kind of a cult of personality thing I really try to shut that down as fast as possible I can't stand being complimented Oh when someone gets crazy You are my hero Shit like that yeah I really try Have you met any chicks with tattoos your face on yet They're out there Not that I've seen yet I bet there's a couple girls that have your face on their calf Definitely The hippie pussy you get must be unbelievable though Throwing your way I don't know if you're in a relationship Or girls with tattoos I think for some reason Oh yeah Like tatted Tatted girls with crystals Yeah girls ready ready for you to start that cults it's not I don't have a rock star life unfortunately why is that man you need to fucking manage this shit better trust if you need a podcast it's not in my character come on man that's all well and good let's pretend no one's listening let's pretend no one's listening let's pretend that this may be just one frame in an infinite movie that goes on forever and makes no sense you should be enjoying the shit out of this and you can enjoy the shit out of this with rivers of hippie pussy let me tell you something mad fortunately but what could we do for Peter Joseph.

[1216] Take him to the Olive Garden.

[1217] If we gave him a podcast, Peter Joseph every week.

[1218] Yeah, that would be awesome, dude.

[1219] You're going to give me a podcast?

[1220] Dude, you can have a podcast once a week.

[1221] All right.

[1222] I do a radio show.

[1223] I do a radio show.

[1224] That's okay.

[1225] What do you do?

[1226] Is it on regular radio?

[1227] It's the blog talk radio that we do for the movement.

[1228] It's just a free.

[1229] Is it online?

[1230] It's online.

[1231] So it's essentially a podcast as well.

[1232] It is a podcast.

[1233] Yeah.

[1234] Just no video.

[1235] Do more.

[1236] Yeah, dude.

[1237] You could go on for hours and hours.

[1238] I got the Sex Squad podcast.

[1239] I know you do, but I mean, it's amazing.

[1240] You never say, um.

[1241] You're like one of the most eloquent guys I think I've ever talked to.

[1242] It's amazing.

[1243] Well, it's one of the things I was paying attention to when I was watching a presentation.

[1244] I'm like, he's speaking so clearly.

[1245] He's like, he's always so good with getting his, that's not the easiest thing to do for a person like me who's essentially lived at least half of my life doing public speeches, you know, either stand -up comedy or, you know, or acting stuff.

[1246] It's not natural to me, I guess, because I was a musician.

[1247] I'm not too afraid to speak in front of people.

[1248] I guess that's part of it, you know, just to be a performer, if you will.

[1249] Do you feel like at this point you have like a Zyke guys act?

[1250] And I say act, not that it's bullshit, but almost like with stand -of -comedy, you know you have subjects that you know you're going to go into, and then once you get into those subjects, you have stuff that you already always share.

[1251] Sure, sure.

[1252] Well, it depends on the circumstance.

[1253] It's a vast range of stuff.

[1254] And I could ramble on about a lot of other different issues.

[1255] If you want to go back for, I mean, yeah, so it's formulaic, obviously.

[1256] If I'm addressing Occupy Wall Street, I have a very, very specific kind of gesture I'm going for a little more anarchy oriented trying to relate to their values a little more angry because everyone wants to get rowed up and you really can't be that way.

[1257] So you have a fired up speech that you give?

[1258] I can give the angry Peter Joseph's speech if I have to.

[1259] Again, that's a great way to get to that hippie pussy.

[1260] You've got to be a leader that's pissed off.

[1261] In any communication you need strategy so I try my best to collar my strategy just like I'm doing right now with you.

[1262] Yeah, well, so your main gig is this now.

[1263] I mean, this is essentially what you're doing.

[1264] You do your music.

[1265] I'm a filmmaker.

[1266] The music's on the sidelines.

[1267] I do that as a hobby.

[1268] We do these, we do art festivals and things like that to kind of make a little fun out of things.

[1269] The socially conscious art festival we had a while back.

[1270] But, you know, music's on the sidelines.

[1271] The film is, a new film coming out at the end of this year.

[1272] And what is that?

[1273] Zichai's Beyond the Pale.

[1274] Hopefully by the end of 2012, I'm not completely set on that, but it's going to be the fourth.

[1275] It's going to be a live action one.

[1276] I'm not going to give away too much about it.

[1277] A live action one, meaning...

[1278] So, I mean, it's going to be a documentary, but It's going to be a very untraditional documentary.

[1279] Again, I don't want to talk about it because, but it's going to be, it's going to be very interesting.

[1280] I do a lot of character establishment with this one.

[1281] This is coming on.

[1282] I've got actors in this one.

[1283] It's same ideas, same pushing forward with this broad social expansion, the idea of what a rational society is.

[1284] And kind of, did you see moving forward?

[1285] It's going to be a similar portrayal of the third film, but in a gestural sense, which I think I'm excited to do because I've never done something like that.

[1286] Well, that's not kind of.

[1287] of a cool concept to actually show people as actors moving forward, creating some new society.

[1288] It's not exactly like that.

[1289] The fifth film I'll do.

[1290] The trilogy will, well, not the trilogy, the whole series will end in the fifth film.

[1291] This is building up to the fifth film.

[1292] The fifth film's going to be a puppet show.

[1293] We do in a cave.

[1294] You can have a fucking marionette act.

[1295] We're going to have a nice fire.

[1296] We're going to lay over some bear that we just killed.

[1297] As we clean the meat, you'll do your puppet show.

[1298] you'll explain how it all went down post -apocalyptic right explain how it all went down right do you think we're in danger of that do you think we're in danger of nuclear war is it within our grasp that we're that stupid that we might start bombing Iran and they start bombing us well the big argument is how mature a society is you know if you have molecular engineering which is coming to fruition and you can have someone using nanotechnology create off the shelf with a very small lab, a very destructive piece of equipment, the size of this bottle that can wipe out or poison or do whatever the hell knows to a very large landmass.

[1299] What does that say about the culture that feels the need to do that?

[1300] Because now we have a rebellion across the world in real terrorism, not the farce terrorism, but there really is this angst that's emerged from all this deprivation, from abuse, blowback if you want to look at the Chomsky Hunt of view.

[1301] I think it's a little more complicated than that psychologically.

[1302] What's going to happen, we have a whole group of people that are so pissed and they're so deprived that they begin to have abilities with technology that far exceed anything like a grenade or a suitcase bomb.

[1303] So nuclear war as an extension of that seems almost inevitable, not to mention the small destructive patterns that we could have.

[1304] I don't think people even realize that potential is on the horizon because our world is so programmed by our daily experiences.

[1305] We're so used to certain experiences and a level of those experiences.

[1306] And we're not, you know, the idea that we're at war to us, some sort of a vague thing that you see on television unless you've actually been over there.

[1307] It goes back to the point I made earlier about the broad collective social conscious versus the individual until we begin to look at society in a social way when you look at each other as yourself.

[1308] It's not even poetic here.

[1309] It's just you can't have social stability until everyone's taken care of.

[1310] If someone's deprived on the other side of the world, I'm not safe because they can be dementia.

[1311] Dementia can kick in.

[1312] Who knows what biases they might emerge, who they might trigger and boom, suddenly a suitcase bomb explodes behind me at some restaurant.

[1313] No one's safe anymore with the technological advancement.

[1314] We have the risks, Fukushima Power Plan, again.

[1315] You have to have a world -conscious view at this stage, especially with the age of modern technology and warfare.

[1316] Or it's just, as in the words of Albert Einstein, our technology has exceeded our humanity.

[1317] He said that when he experienced the nuclear bomb that he helped engineer.

[1318] He saw how bad this was.

[1319] even the great scientist that's in the wheelchair, Hawking.

[1320] Hawking has stated that he wants to see everyone get off the planet.

[1321] He feels that we're already doomed.

[1322] We have to get in populated, for the extension of the human species, we have to populate another planet because there's no way we're going to survive in this one based on what we're doing.

[1323] These are very smart people that think these ways.

[1324] They're very smart people who are studying the human race as if we're studying a colony of ants or studying.

[1325] anything else that you can clearly see where they're headed.

[1326] Yeah.

[1327] It's scary.

[1328] Unlike anything...

[1329] Is it natural?

[1330] It's all natural.

[1331] It is all natural, right?

[1332] Is it natural that the, you know, they said, someone said this, I believe it was McKenna, that every parasite is a failed symbiate.

[1333] Interesting.

[1334] You know, what they're all trying to do is find some sort of I mean, every body is filled with other sorts of living organisms and that these living organisms they work together in synergy they work together they're they're symbiotic and that every parasite is like one that didn't quite work out and just fucked up and killed the host or jacked the host or does something terrible to the host isn't it possible that that's what technology is the technology is also sort of some sort of a it's some sort of a parasitic symbiotic thing where it's it's in the middle of, in the middle of helping us, it's enlightening us and it's allowing us to move forward.

[1335] It's allowing us to exchange information at a rate never possible before.

[1336] But it's also, when you establish the highest levels of technology, they often are destructive.

[1337] And it's going to feed the need for people to try that shit out and use it.

[1338] Well, there's the flaw of the broad human psychology in this defense posture that we've grew so well, you know, it's not the technology that's the problem.

[1339] It's the fucking people behind the technology.

[1340] Sure, absolutely.

[1341] But I mean, isn't it like, I mean, is it almost inevitable that we, with this kind of power, we will have this kind of behavior?

[1342] Is it almost inevitable that with ultimate power like that?

[1343] Well, if there isn't a very dramatic change in the way people think about themselves and how they relate to the world, it seems inevitable to me. How did you develop this line of thinking?

[1344] Did you have some sort of a, uh, a, uh, a life -changing experience where you always like this I just had great influences from you know from Carl Sagan to to even even George Carlin and Bill Hicks and the comedy spectrum coupled with the scientific community was very influential with me both from a cultural standpoint and a progressive standpoint if there's any individual that's most influential would have been Carl Sagan as far as values because he was so in line the guy and he smoked weed every day son did you know that I didn't know that Carl Sagan would smoke weed and just think about space.

[1345] That's what he did.

[1346] He wrote some beautiful eloquent essays on cannabis use.

[1347] Did he?

[1348] I wasn't aware of that.

[1349] Yeah, he was a brilliant guy.

[1350] That's amazing.

[1351] So, you know, it's a long value shift.

[1352] And I, you know, I went through the same stuff of anger and everything else that I think a lot of people do.

[1353] And then I met even more people that fascinated me and a lot of authors.

[1354] There's so many brilliant minds out there from Jacques Fresco to Buckminster Fuller, to Nicole.

[1355] Jack Fresco is the guy that's ahead of that Venus Project.

[1356] Is that who he is?

[1357] He's the director of the Venus Project, yeah.

[1358] And the Venus project is explain that to me because this is a resource -based economy and this project is a is a concept encapsulated concept put forward by jock which goes farther than a train of thought it actually has design issues that he's come up with throughout the years he's about 95 now and very brilliant very brilliant guy they basically are promoting very specific systems and the zeitgeist movement promotes long trains of thought without being specific to a design.

[1359] We used to be in partnership, the Venus Project, and the Zekeyes movement.

[1360] And you guys fell apart?

[1361] There was a falling out there, unfortunately.

[1362] What happened?

[1363] Hard to explain.

[1364] It was a kind of a personality drop -off of motivations of...

[1365] That's code for hippie pussy.

[1366] That's what it was.

[1367] They were fighting over hippie pussy.

[1368] Jock Fresco's used to be at the top of the heap.

[1369] When you're 95 years old, you've been doing this forever when this young whippersnapper comes along making his fucking films.

[1370] Like, bitch, I got a map.

[1371] I got a map for the future.

[1372] So this, he's very specific and his as like engineering this sort of a society.

[1373] He's an industrial designer and social engineer.

[1374] Ah, so there you go.

[1375] You spend a great deal of time doing it, and it's just like Buckminster Fuller, which I think is a good counterpart, these are prominent guys that have really tried to push forward with new ideas and many different genres, not to mention approaches to the entire social system.

[1376] I, you know, I watch a lot of things online, and when I sit in front of it, I do too, I mean, I absorb whatever someone's putting out, of course I listen to their message but I also when I see something like what John Fresco was saying I try to look at it as if I was someone I was someone who is in some sort of a position of power and government you know I was someone who is in some sort of a position of power of political influence of running the banks running the world the IMF whoever the fuck it is that pulls the strings for the world and I would say how do I deal with this guy what do I what do I do I does this guy a problem Is this guy ever going to be for real?

[1377] Is this ever going to be an issue that I have to deal with this guy and debate him as to how the world's resources should be used?

[1378] I mean, is that a concern for a guy like that?

[1379] I mean, do you think that a guy like him or like you?

[1380] Do you guys have to deal with someone's...

[1381] It depends on how far we go.

[1382] I think anyone in the...

[1383] You think that, right?

[1384] Do you think, like, as far as moving forward, if you did buy the land and get the people to start living there, that's when you would have an issue.

[1385] you.

[1386] Well, I don't, again, I don't advocate such a thing.

[1387] I don't advocate running from this system.

[1388] How big is your file?

[1389] The FBI file they have on you if you had a guess.

[1390] I'd say it was fucking massive, right?

[1391] I don't know.

[1392] They want to know what you're capable of.

[1393] If you started running, you're very young right now.

[1394] Like, how old are you?

[1395] You like 39?

[1396] No, 32.

[1397] 32.

[1398] That's amazing.

[1399] You're 32.

[1400] That's incredible.

[1401] So when you came out with the first zeitgeist, how old were you?

[1402] Well, it was four years ago, so it was 20.

[1403] Holy shit.

[1404] So you were in your 20s when you put that together.

[1405] That's very unusual, man. You're a very unusual talker.

[1406] You know, if you're only 29, that's what you said?

[1407] 32.

[1408] 32.

[1409] See, that's very unusual, man. So what is it, what do you have to be to be president?

[1410] 36, something like that?

[1411] I'm not going to be president.

[1412] But no, but for real, you say that.

[1413] But if someone come along...

[1414] See, I don't believe in the system, though.

[1415] I don't believe in the political system.

[1416] Changes a little bit.

[1417] Listen, man, you could run this shit.

[1418] Well, the next project is something called the Global Redisone Institute, which is going to be a nonprofit.

[1419] I'm founding, which is going to basically take artists and engineers, get them together to show how to redesign the infrastructure for particular regions in the most sustainable, non -monetary, most sustainable, practical, and efficient way possible.

[1420] So, for example, you could take Los Angeles, you could show the public in conference a completely new redesign that didn't say have cars sitting at gas, excuse me, sitting at stoplights, you know, wasting gas, how much gas is wasted but inefficiency of the stoplight system?

[1421] I mean, at least Europe has those roundabouts, semi -better, but you could think of all sorts of creative means of up and over systems.

[1422] You know, a lot of cars they stop.

[1423] and they shut off actually at red lights now.

[1424] That's good.

[1425] That's smart, but it's certainly not normal.

[1426] And when you let your foot off the gas, they start again.

[1427] It's new technology.

[1428] No, I've seen the couple with battery stuff, yeah.

[1429] Yeah, it's engines as well.

[1430] So the combustion engines.

[1431] We see how the concept of efficiency is vast.

[1432] Pressure transducers in streets that can power the lights.

[1433] You can have pressure transducers in these walls that could help power the lighting system in the building.

[1434] There's so many things that could be applied to society to make it so grandiose efficient that would rule out the market system by the, fault but it would solve so many problems of poverty and hunger and even conflict and petty crime and most crimes are related to money you know you could eliminate so many massive things not a utopia if you just applied the most efficient means and give people you know vertical farms at the coast of Los Angeles running desalinization processes from the water boom organic vertical farms feed everyone locally forget globalization think about how much energy is wasted on globalization moving shit back and forth product made here in China assembled over here in Uganda you know it's nuts what we're doing we're And you take that standpoint, you begin to see how, yes, you can feed everybody on this planet.

[1435] You can have everyone have an access abundance, we call it, on this planet.

[1436] It doesn't mean you have everything you want.

[1437] That's impossible.

[1438] The very idea of having everything possible, which is the Catholic notion.

[1439] Yeah, everybody can't be the salt number nine.

[1440] Well, everyone can't have a 50 -room mansion or two jets parked in the front lawn.

[1441] That's actually an act of violence, if you think about it.

[1442] Social violence.

[1443] It is.

[1444] There's an act of violence to think that way.

[1445] Because the amount of deprivation you're imposing on somebody else by that acquisition of resources, which is so excessive, is in fact inhibiting other people's lives one way or another.

[1446] Wait a minute, by having a jet?

[1447] By having anything that is of such excess, and you can be subjective on this, but anything that has no utility, it's of such excess and vanity, such as one guy living with his small family in a 40 -room mansion and having two massive gas -guzzling jets parked in the front long just because he can.

[1448] Who does that?

[1449] Travolta.

[1450] Yeah, Travolta.

[1451] Does he do that?

[1452] Yep.

[1453] Well, listen, you've got to fly that dick in from all over the world, you've got to make sure that you're willing to keep quiet.

[1454] Fox magic only go so far.

[1455] I get that argument, though.

[1456] Someone says to me, well, I don't like your system because what if I want to have four Ferraris as though that's a utility need?

[1457] It's a completely vanity orientation.

[1458] I say, well, what if I want to have Africa as my backyard?

[1459] Is that okay?

[1460] What if I want to block off Africa and Africa's if you can buy Africa?

[1461] If you have so much money that you could slowly buy up the entirety of Africa.

[1462] But you see the point.

[1463] So is this a competitive society?

[1464] Is there competition in this society?

[1465] The competition would be within one's career of development, which is what real competition is.

[1466] It's about accelerating yourself, not against somebody else.

[1467] You know, I could completely see how people in like a sports, in advanced society in like a sports context, they're not really thinking about beating somebody else.

[1468] They think about beating themselves, thinking about improving their own betterment.

[1469] It doesn't become something.

[1470] But in the process, somebody gets beaten up.

[1471] That is a lot of the motivation.

[1472] You know, if you ever talk to anybody very competitive, it's not just about them performing at their best.

[1473] It's about winning.

[1474] sure it is sure is but that's what the culture reinforced everything's about winning culture definitely reinforces it but it's also i think a piece of human nature is involved in that as well it's too universal it's not just this culture it's pretty much any culture where any sort of competition starts going you know people people want to win you know it's a natural thing and i think it might be one of the reasons why it's driven innovation to such a radical tipping point if you talk to anyone who knew steve jobs or anybody who knew is bill gates one of the things I'll tell you is how incredibly competitive these guys are.

[1475] Very competitive.

[1476] Sure.

[1477] I think it exists on a different level, though, and there's a lot of flexibility to it.

[1478] I'm not denying that it exists.

[1479] But for me, I'm not competitive.

[1480] I have no interest in the...

[1481] Right, but you're also not the head of Microsoft.

[1482] Sure.

[1483] You're not putting out computers.

[1484] You know what I'm saying?

[1485] You've done an amazing thing creatively, but in order to push innovation, in order to push a company, to push success and achievement, I almost feel like you have to have some sort of a sense of competitiveness.

[1486] Well, in a market system, invariably, you have to be completely.

[1487] or you're going to fail.

[1488] You're going to fail financially.

[1489] You're going to fail in your status.

[1490] If you look at Steve Jobs' writings and his talks, the guy was a very creative individual.

[1491] You could tell that his money aside, he wasn't motivated by that incentive for one.

[1492] I think his interest to be competitive was really just to make the best he could for whatever demographic or concept or idea, and of course to compete against Microsoft to make sure he maintains his market share.

[1493] So competition is inherent to the game that they're playing.

[1494] I guess that's my point.

[1495] Who knows, though?

[1496] Am I competitive with other people?

[1497] it depends on the context of, and also the conditioning within that context of what I'm doing.

[1498] If I have to survive and have to go into a fight with somebody, well, that's an obvious competition.

[1499] That's something that my life might depend upon.

[1500] So obviously there's something ingrained there that means we respond that way.

[1501] But again, back to the later existence of the prefrontal cortex, we don't have to operate that way.

[1502] If someone goes into a bar and steps on my foot or insults my girlfriend, I don't have to beat the shit out of him.

[1503] I can say, huh, there's another dip shit, one of many, and walk away.

[1504] Or I can say there's another victim of cultures.

[1505] All sorts of responses that we could have that are not based on that reaction.

[1506] Yeah, there's certainly a lot of fights you can avoid.

[1507] I was having that conversation with someone today.

[1508] It's like, you know, avoid everything you can.

[1509] If you can get out of something, talk to someone and get out of it.

[1510] Get out of it.

[1511] What are you crazy?

[1512] You want to get in fights with people?

[1513] Oh, that's amazing.

[1514] This guy interviewed James Gilligan for Zykeis moving forward.

[1515] He's one of the most acclaimed criminal psychologists.

[1516] And he would talk about shame and the issues.

[1517] of shame and why people behave so violently.

[1518] He spent his whole life analyzing violent behavior.

[1519] Gave a great insight into serial killers and a lot of people that you think are natural outgrowth that are just typical of the system or typical of humanity, if you will.

[1520] And he found almost throughout the entire thing it was based on a form of humiliation and shame.

[1521] And what was so fascinating is that the majority of the instances of violence happened in the most mundane and arbitrary circumstances.

[1522] It wasn't life -threatening.

[1523] Someone would literally insult somebody else and they would get really upset by that.

[1524] and the shame that they would feel from being so small, from getting upset from someone saying, fuck you, caused that much more reinforcement of their anger to get into a physical brawl.

[1525] It was fascinating.

[1526] It's a fascinating subject.

[1527] I recommend anyone that's interested in violent behavior to look up at James Gilligan.

[1528] Well, you know, I am a huge student of human nature, especially human contact and conflict and aggression and anger.

[1529] You're trained as a fighter, right?

[1530] Yeah, I've done martial arts my whole life.

[1531] And I think that's a huge part of being a human being, I think every man, if you're going to have to deal with some form of aggression in your life, you're going to ultimately worry or wonder what happens if this becomes physical.

[1532] And I think taking that off the table and learning martial arts, just as the animal, human being, is a great way to prevent anybody ever fighting.

[1533] I've never seen a fight at a dojo.

[1534] I've never seen a fight at a jiu -jitsu gym.

[1535] I've never seen a fight.

[1536] I've never seen a fight between fighters, you know, for the most part, most fighters, they can communicate better because they know that they don't want to fight.

[1537] Like, they don't have anything to prove.

[1538] They know exactly what they can do.

[1539] Look at the philosophy of Bruce Lee.

[1540] Yeah.

[1541] I mean, he was amazing.

[1542] There's a few brawls, post -fight brawls because people get emotional and there's a famous one on CBS a while back where Mayhem Miller and the Diaz brothers went at it on CBS.

[1543] It was kind of ridiculous.

[1544] But, yeah, I mean, for the most part, the, the amount of of altercations that you're going to get if you're hanging around trained martial artists are way fewer.

[1545] You know, amongst themselves, they're very rare.

[1546] And you put them amongst any other group of athletic aggressive individuals, you're going to have much more conflict.

[1547] I think you take it off the table once you address it and you understand it.

[1548] It's like with a lot of people, the idea of kicking someone's ass, really a big part of it is they don't want their own ass kicked.

[1549] Sure.

[1550] It's a fear.

[1551] It's like an overcompensation for initial fear.

[1552] Yeah.

[1553] No, totally.

[1554] Totally, yeah.

[1555] We need to figure this fucking thing out, Peter Joseph.

[1556] God damn it.

[1557] We're closing in on it.

[1558] We're closing in on some real interesting lessons.

[1559] Well, if you want, I can go back to your question, I guess, from like 20 minutes ago regarding what the system would be if I was the leader of it, which is a farce notion.

[1560] But what would define?

[1561] The king, I said.

[1562] The king.

[1563] What would define a new value system?

[1564] What would define a new sense of operation?

[1565] And if you track a fundamental train of thought, you arrive at a serious.

[1566] of conclusions.

[1567] The first is you get rid of the property system as we know it.

[1568] You create an access system.

[1569] Best example is the zip car.

[1570] New York, amazing.

[1571] I love that.

[1572] Love the zip car.

[1573] Yeah.

[1574] If people don't know, explain it.

[1575] It's amazing.

[1576] Zip car is just a rental car that's very easily accessible.

[1577] You have these special keys and they come and they'll drop the car off or they'll leave it at a place that's close to you.

[1578] It's all proximity oriented, computer generated.

[1579] And basically you can have a car, drive it and then return it and it's like a rental car except it's more convenient.

[1580] That's beautiful.

[1581] Most people's car sit in driveways for the majority of their life.

[1582] That's a great idea.

[1583] Access system versus a system of property is the most efficient concept of social, excuse me, of environmental management you can have.

[1584] Think about it.

[1585] It's so stupid for everyone.

[1586] I have so much film equipment, stuffed in my closets.

[1587] I would love just to rent it, but I can't do it because I have no value.

[1588] I have to be able to resell it.

[1589] I'd spend much more money renting this stuff over and over again than owning it.

[1590] So it goes against it in a monetary sense.

[1591] It's monetarily inefficient.

[1592] Yeah, the zip, concept is a great idea for someone who wants to live in a place like New York City, where it's just prohibitively expensive to try to have a parking spot.

[1593] Or anywhere, if you had a society designed, first of all, if you're in an inner city, you really want to get public transit working well, because that's the best way to do it anyway.

[1594] There's so many failures.

[1595] My great grandfather was an engineer, and he had designed this system in Los Angeles years ago, many years ago, which was a trolley system that was above ground, wasn't susceptible to earthquakes.

[1596] It was brilliant.

[1597] And I was like, why didn't they put this in back then?

[1598] It was like one of the first transit ideas for Los Angeles.

[1599] And even to this day, you have the, you know, you have the subway, but that's nominal.

[1600] It doesn't really go anywhere.

[1601] And you have these cars just coming here.

[1602] I was just want to blow my brains out in traffic.

[1603] So many fucking cars.

[1604] And you can't keep operating like this.

[1605] Eventually they're going to do what they do in Latin America.

[1606] They're going to have you driving by license plate number.

[1607] You know, they do that in Latin America.

[1608] You can't even drive.

[1609] On certain point in time.

[1610] I mean, what's going to happen when population continues to increase and we have these inefficient systems in place?

[1611] We need a - I've heard Mexico cities like that right now.

[1612] No, sure.

[1613] Mexico City apparently.

[1614] It's just unbelievable.

[1615] It's always traffic.

[1616] Just traffic all day.

[1617] Yeah, it's ridiculous.

[1618] Even in China, they've been moving out the bikes or they've been trying to motivate consumerism in China to get people to buy cars.

[1619] Why?

[1620] Because it's good for GDP.

[1621] Oh, great.

[1622] So they can create more air pollution and create more congestion on their streets as well.

[1623] Everything is antithesis.

[1624] It's the opposite.

[1625] It's an anti -economy.

[1626] It's ass backwards from top to bottom with the way we approach our economic structure.

[1627] So how do we fix it?

[1628] We have to wait for it to fall apart.

[1629] To wait for it to fall apart.

[1630] And then start our own shit.

[1631] Then we have to show the audit show, as I mentioned, the global redesign institute, you have to show the world an alternative that they can understand to see how these problems can be resolved.

[1632] And then I advocate a parallel government system, as radical as that statement sounds.

[1633] Parallel government.

[1634] So there's one in one government.

[1635] Well, you have the existing government in whatever region or in its holistic sense as far as, say, the United Nations, if you will.

[1636] A parallel system would be a group of people that are not politicians.

[1637] They're not jockeying for public support and public opinion and manipulating the values and abortionness and gay rights this and gay rights this and gay marriage.

[1638] that.

[1639] Those to become nominally obsolete because they are completely irrelevant culturally compared to what the problems we have.

[1640] The group of technicians and engineers and thinkers and creators that want to simply design the infrastructure of society correctly to meet the needs of the human population.

[1641] And with that train of thought, I guarantee people would be chomping the bit, volunteer to show what they can do to make society more efficient.

[1642] And as a side of the product of that, money goes out the window because if you really detail the issue of money, you can't have an efficient system in the market model of economics.

[1643] Truly efficient.

[1644] It's impossible.

[1645] One final point, green economy.

[1646] Everyone must talk about green economy, right?

[1647] The green economy books written on green economy.

[1648] Green economy is impossible also in a monetary system because of the inherent flaw of cost efficiency, meaning the cut corners to get the right product to make it so people can buy it.

[1649] The inherent flaws of cyclical consumption, the need to have constant turnover.

[1650] Our economic system is in one big paradox.

[1651] And the old economic theory, it says there's scarcity, therefore we have to have the assumption of social Darwinism that some people can have the right to this through their equity and some cannot.

[1652] Never enough to go around is the assumption.

[1653] Simultaneously, it's based on infinite growth.

[1654] Simultaneously, it assumes that we have to constantly keep consuming so people can stay employed.

[1655] And with a growing population, what do you have to have?

[1656] More and more consumption to keep everyone that's populated employed.

[1657] It clearly hasn't been planned out.

[1658] There's no plenty.

[1659] It's all been, which is understandable in our evolution.

[1660] This is weird, we are our monkey selves trying to figure out what the fuck's going on But luckily we can begin to assess We can see the light And now it's the big conundrum Of how to get the fuck out of the system And it's something that actually works Without seeing too much destruction Without seeing too much breakdown I don't want to see the system fail And the infrastructure completely be demolished I want to see terrorists come out of the woodwork I don't want to see We gotta get people on mushrooms stat That's what's going on man The only way we're going to fix these fucks is we've got to get them on mushrooms No way people are going to make some Just radical leap of change They're going to recognize just like they recognize right now In other parts of the country where there's a leadership vacuum You know whether it's in Iraq right now There's Iraq's going through a fucking civil war Congratulations America We just fucked up another spot in the world One of many civil wars A new dictator is going to move into place Some new ruthless motherfucker who dominates the situation Meet the new boss same as the old boss Right As long as they're in favor of Western geopolitics They'll be safe Yeah maybe right what the fuck do we do peter joseph do we wait for the aliens or are they not real god i really wish aliens would come i would have said a great precedent wouldn't it we'd actually be able to see another entity that that actually was beyond us that could actually give us the obvious awareness that were one species that would be in one family that's the ronald regan speech is it do you remember ronald regan's i don't remember that one no he gave a speech during the middle of the cold war saying that uh how quickly we would unite yeah as a as a as a race once a you're if we were faced with a threat from another world.

[1661] And everybody got crazy.

[1662] Like, damn, the fucking aliens are coming.

[1663] Ronald Reagan just letting us know.

[1664] And then nothing happened.

[1665] I had a great idea for a film.

[1666] It was a bunch of hackers that go in.

[1667] I shouldn't give this away, but I doubt.

[1668] Don't give it away, bro.

[1669] Well, I'll give you the premise because it's fun.

[1670] Don't do it.

[1671] It'll be online.

[1672] They're going to steal it.

[1673] Well, I hope they steal it.

[1674] Okay.

[1675] There you go.

[1676] Put that information out.

[1677] We have a whole group of hackers, right?

[1678] So they hack into the U .S. Pentagon.

[1679] They hack into the military systems that are interconnected around the world.

[1680] And they find gay porn.

[1681] And they plant a fake.

[1682] a fake asteroid attack coming towards Earth so all the media now thinks there's a ginormous asteroid coming towards Earth that will destroy all of humanity what happens the motivation of all the continents they come together they try to combine their resources they try to create some type of anti -astroid weapon and then suddenly someone figures out that these are just a bunch of hackers and they're brought in chains and and then they give this nice speech at the end of how this is their attempt to unify humanity before it was too late so it's like a Scooby -Doo episode yeah Scooby -Dooped They were hackers Trying to save humanity It'd be a good ploy I think the audience Would like that Especially if the audience Didn't know They were hackers At the beginning They thought it was all real Until they came forward That could work Who do you think Would you think would have You'd have You'd have played Matthew Broderick Would you go with Kristen from Twilight What's your name?

[1683] Christian Stewart She would be good Right there these two She'd be one of your Good stars Who's this?

[1684] Matthew Broderick and War Games Oh, War Games Of course You know what's amazing I like watching Alien the original alien, what they thought that the cockpit of like a sophisticated computer setup would look like.

[1685] Right.

[1686] It was just so wonky.

[1687] No graphic user interface at all.

[1688] Right, right.

[1689] All just like numbers and letters.

[1690] It's interesting, man. It's interesting to see how people think about the future and what it ends up being.

[1691] Yeah.

[1692] I mean, predicting space travel to other planets, no problem.

[1693] But figuring out a graphic user interface had just really never been, nobody would have wrapped their head around it yet.

[1694] So hard to predict what's what the future may hold, man. Do you think the technology can save us?

[1695] Is it possible that there's going to be something that comes along that creates some sort of a connectivity with human beings that allows us to be more empathetic to the idea or more accepting to the idea that we are really truly one species, that we are a super organism?

[1696] Well, in the words of Carl Sagan, when he was approaching the nuclear fallout possibility during the Cold War, he said if there's anything that positive that can come out of this, it would be.

[1697] the unification of humanity on the level of realizing that they are all at risk by the actions of just two small, seemingly small superpowers.

[1698] This is a pivotal thing.

[1699] So once breakdown of society occurs, once people see how interconnected things are in the infrastructure of society, in the fact that computers run everything already, you know, it's very obvious the symbiosis, and I think it'll come to fruition.

[1700] If there's any pattern that's become more of a trend now, it's the oneness poetry.

[1701] I look at it very literal, but a lot of people like to take it into a metaphysical sense.

[1702] The unification of the species is not just the unification of us as a family in a gestural sense, even though you can go back to the mitochondrial Eve many thousands of years ago.

[1703] We all have the same basic mitochondrial DNA construct.

[1704] We all come from that basic kernel, one way or another, the entire species.

[1705] But the entire association of values in our minds is utterly symbiotic.

[1706] It's the group mind.

[1707] It's a collective consciousness, if you want to use that old term.

[1708] I use the group mind.

[1709] It's a little more practical.

[1710] Everything you think, everything I think has been communicated to us one way or another.

[1711] filtered through a basic genetic pre -program combined with all sorts of other data coming from other people.

[1712] So no one originates anything, no one thinks in any kind of novel sense, it's all an illusion.

[1713] And if there's anything that could show the unification of the species on that level as far as what we think we are, we can only be everything because every constructive thought is determined by what everyone else is thinking, feeding into us through information, whether it's your parents, whether it's your educational system.

[1714] And so there's no way to rationalize separation.

[1715] You know what I mean?

[1716] And on a molecular quantum field level, if you want to jump to that route, it's all a big C of molecules moving around.

[1717] This is all a big illusion.

[1718] I think we all know that by now.

[1719] Right.

[1720] Well, if you get to that, how much do you think that you can manipulate your environment with thinking?

[1721] How much do you think that you can manipulate?

[1722] Well, the beauty of technology as an extension of ourselves is the ultimate tool.

[1723] I mean, thinking really is a technological idea.

[1724] Logic and reason, which came to us just a couple thousand years ago with Aristotle, we finally figured out how to think.

[1725] even though most of the planet still doesn't do that.

[1726] These tools will lead to something.

[1727] And if the values are right, if we see the rationale, if we see the reason, if we see what it means to relate to the environment, which is very, very simple.

[1728] If we see the benefit of automation as an isolated example, we naturally adapt and adjust.

[1729] And what's happened now, though, I mean, frankly, there isn't a crisis.

[1730] There's only the crisis of the way we think.

[1731] There's no reason you couldn't turn all of this around tomorrow if you wanted it to.

[1732] Somebody makes a Terminator.

[1733] Well, the old fantasy takeover by machines, I'm certainly amused by, but we're already taken over, we're already taken over by machines.

[1734] I know, but I mean, what if it's like literal?

[1735] Yeah, I don't, there's no, you don't think so?

[1736] There's nothing in there that I could see programming -wise that would allow for such a thing.

[1737] The ultimate expression of that was that hideous film, I -Robot at the very end, the computer goes, we have to exterminate all of humanity because they are a threat to the planet.

[1738] So their logical calculation that humanity can no longer resist.

[1739] That's the ultimate sci -fi fantasy of artificial intelligence.

[1740] Well, that wasn't necessary, but that's a big budget Will Smith film, and they got to do what they got to do.

[1741] Of course.

[1742] As an idea of...

[1743] But that catered to the longstanding assumptions of artificial intelligence and automation.

[1744] And a technological singularity.

[1745] Sure.

[1746] And as Kurtzweil points out, we don't really know what will happen with a technological singularity.

[1747] But once technology becomes sentient and has the ability to move and manipulate things, who knows?

[1748] Well, if they're extensions of us, they become our tools.

[1749] Who's to say we want to program them to kill anything?

[1750] Estes of us says who, says us.

[1751] That's what we were talking about earlier about failed symbiots.

[1752] You know, the parasitic relationship between, I mean, the symbiotic right now, relationship between human beings and computers, it's very similar to, if you look at, like, other organisms that have, you know, lampreys on sharks or whatever.

[1753] I mean, we're almost inseparable.

[1754] We're a part of the same sort of ecosystem now.

[1755] We need the lights to stay on.

[1756] We need the refrigerator to stay cold so that we can preserve the meat better.

[1757] I mean, we have it sort of set out.

[1758] so we're almost completely intertwined with technology.

[1759] And then we give birth the live one.

[1760] We give birth to technology where it's sentient, where it can figure shit out on its own, and it becomes another life form.

[1761] It becomes a life form, much like a biological, carbon -based life form, just completely different and unexpected and something we didn't see coming.

[1762] Just like, you know.

[1763] It's all very possible.

[1764] Look at, you mean, do you ever look at broken computers and shit?

[1765] Those are bodies.

[1766] Those are dead bodies.

[1767] Sure, sure.

[1768] It's fucking dinosaurs, but they're happening really quickly.

[1769] At this stage of our evolution, Either we utilize technology to help us and hope for the best or we're going to perish anyway.

[1770] So if it happens to be, we become enslaved by a bunch of machines in the end, well, so be it.

[1771] That must be a natural evolution.

[1772] So you're cool with that?

[1773] Given what's at stake today?

[1774] I'm cool with that.

[1775] Given what we have to deal with, I'm perfectly happy to be a robot slave.

[1776] That is now going to be on the internet.

[1777] Peter Joseph, cool with robots taking over.

[1778] I'm cool with that.

[1779] This is the zeitgeist movement's primary premise.

[1780] We're cool with robots.

[1781] taken away.

[1782] I will say this.

[1783] If there's the phallus, the problem of human psychology is so vast now that I can only dream of the cold quality of calculation coming forward to save us because we've fucked up just about everything so far.

[1784] We are way beyond our sense of self -control.

[1785] That's what calculating society is.

[1786] That's what our brain does.

[1787] It's a calculation process.

[1788] And it's too bad we're so clouded with these us and them issues and all these things that are monkey issues evolutionary baggage exactly and again it's easy to see an amazing beautiful society emerge if we simply wanted to construct one correctly because we have that power now and we have mushrooms do a barrel that's important that's an important part of the equation I don't think you're going to fix people without some sort of a large scale psychedelic experiment I did see an evolution special that alluded to that old Bill Hicks joke which maybe came true that mushrooms could have been that link that pushed forward the human brain.

[1789] Yeah, that's McKenna's theory, the stoned ape theory.

[1790] Exactly.

[1791] That's what you probably saw.

[1792] Yeah, he said that over a period of...

[1793] This was in a more academic circle, too, though.

[1794] It was actually more...

[1795] Wasn't just McKenna.

[1796] Yeah, there's a bunch of scientists that have speculated it because, you know, the incredible powers of psychedelic plants, I mean, as far as, like, powers of experience, I mean, if you don't know, if you never had it, there's a lot of people ignorant to the experience.

[1797] Have you done mushrooms before?

[1798] I have.

[1799] You just wink if you're...

[1800] worried about your PR.

[1801] Everyone did everything in high school and college, so.

[1802] Yeah.

[1803] If you've had a real big experience, a big trip, you realize how humbling it is, first of all, just to know that that's possible, that that's even an experience that a person can have and that they're not dying from it either.

[1804] And I know, we have a lot of friends that have gone through crazy psychedelic trips and everyone's okay.

[1805] But the experience itself to someone who's uninitiated is almost impossible to imagine.

[1806] You can't imagine that it's really possible that this could exist.

[1807] And then this is not discussed every day on CBS evening news that someone's not saying, listen, man, you need to get on mushrooms.

[1808] Okay, you need to find a fucking place where you're comfortable, and you need someone who get you the good shit, and you need to go there with clear intent, and you need to do yoga, and you need to find yourself because life can be way better.

[1809] This recent John Hopkins study where they talked about one dose, they had one large dose of psilocybin, and they had measurable increases in their happiness and their personality over, you know, a period of like 20 years.

[1810] One experience is reset their whole life.

[1811] Right.

[1812] So what do you, can we add mushrooms to the Zichyce movement?

[1813] I think together in harmony.

[1814] In Fox magic.

[1815] And Fox Magic.

[1816] We need Fox Magic.

[1817] That was so weird, by the way.

[1818] I'm still trying to figure out.

[1819] Michael Rupert has this whole Fox Magic thing where he believes in Fox Magic.

[1820] Well, let's be real.

[1821] honest he was high as fuck and if you get that guy sober we probably would have never said that he knows fox magic he's an interesting cat you know but you have to be that guy you know he's not it's not he's he's out there man he's he's not following any of his status quo that guy's out there trying to expose corruption in the government at every every step of the way you have to be a little a little uh i don't know he's got a he has a hero quality to him he's out there he's doing it you can't really fuck with him he's a good guy too you can tell he's a good guy he's a good guy he's a good guy when you talk to him he's not an asshole he's out there doing the right thing you need people like that right brian that's right fox magic bitches fox magic 2012 fox magic t -shirts send them out there and then peter joseph in quotes i'm cool with the robots taking over that's how we're going to make you some money man beautiful market you all right um this is a very cool conversation yeah is anything else you want to Is there anything that people need to know about?

[1822] Well, shit.

[1823] There's tons of things I could say, tons of things.

[1824] I mean, we got events coming up.

[1825] I'm going to be in New York, if anyone's in New York, at the end of this month, in Columbia.

[1826] If anybody wants to hook up, go for some drinks.

[1827] What is the best way to find out information?

[1828] What is your number one website?

[1829] I know it's TZ movement on, it's the zeitgeist movement, TZ movement on Twitter.

[1830] That's for the movement.

[1831] What is the best way to be in?

[1832] for and what website can people go to?

[1833] The main movement site is just simply the Zekegeistmovement .com and then the movie site is Zykegeistmovie .com and then you can link to all the other sub -sites for the films.

[1834] And there's a bunch of scam sites that like they said like Zykeyes film series has been subject to more manipulation and scam and resellers.

[1835] I've been screwed over so extensively by attempting to be altruistic with the distribution of that film and people buy things for me to resell it, profit all over the place.

[1836] I just now stopped doing a lot of the things I used to do after four years because I'm running out of money.

[1837] I can barely see myself making this new film.

[1838] It's going to be quite the difficult venture.

[1839] But Zykoist has attracted just about everything.

[1840] Whether it's people that want to abuse it, people that hate me, people that like it, there's no more strange phenomenon I've come across recently than the Zichkeye's phenomenon as far as a cultural issue.

[1841] It's really strange.

[1842] I would imagine there must be a pretty big life change to go from just being a classical musician.

[1843] Right.

[1844] to all of a sudden at the head of some crazy movement where you're being critiqued and criticized for every single word that comes out of you.

[1845] Probably critiqued people are going to be mad at you for even doing this stupid show.

[1846] This is a ridiculous show where we make fun of everything, you know.

[1847] I think it's important people realize that we're all just people and no one should take any of them.

[1848] So anyone that seriously I have a great deal of humor with all of this.

[1849] I have the Carlin level, I call it, sitting on the sideline.

[1850] And that's something I don't readily admit.

[1851] But the Carlin level, George Carlin is where you just don't give a shit anymore.

[1852] And as much as I push forward with all of this, there's a side of me that says, you know what?

[1853] It is what it is.

[1854] If my self, if my posh, excuse me, if I become just deeply unhappy and get tired of what I'm doing, then I'm gone.

[1855] And it is what it is.

[1856] I don't owe anybody anything.

[1857] If people out there support such ideas, they need to become their own leaders and really push this forward, learn, educate, and do the same process that I've been doing.

[1858] There's nothing special here.

[1859] So there's anything I would leave to the audience that actually has an activist bone is that don't follow anybody.

[1860] You've got to get out there and do it because a lot of these people that are trying to lead, if you will, are not going to be around forever.

[1861] I could hit the carlin level and say, fuck it, evolutionary cul -de -sac, goodbye, humanity, and I can go live on the moon somewhere after I do something to fly there.

[1862] At the compound outside Sonoma, at the car, the zeitgeist compound.

[1863] Where they're growing hippie pussy on trees Well, thank you very much, man. It's a very fun conversation.

[1864] Oh, thank you.

[1865] I appreciate that.

[1866] Fascinating.

[1867] Again, all the information.

[1868] The zeitgeist movement.

[1869] The website is one more time.

[1870] The zeitgeistmovement .com.

[1871] And TZ Movement on Twitter, and you also have a Facebook page.

[1872] What was the Facebook page?

[1873] It's just the Zikez Movement official on Facebook if you search that one.

[1874] The zeitgeist movement official.

[1875] All right.

[1876] Thank you very much.

[1877] Thank you to the flashlight for, oh, Chicago.

[1878] It's January, 27th, right?

[1879] Is that the next day?

[1880] Yeah, that's the Chicago Theater.

[1881] There's still some tickets left.

[1882] It's a huge place.

[1883] It's going to be me, Joey Diaz, and Duncan Truzzle.

[1884] And it should be a fucking blast.

[1885] That's January 27th.

[1886] And I'm looking forward to that because that's the night after, or the night before, rather, the UFC fights on Fox.

[1887] Is the show sold out tonight?

[1888] Show sold out tonight, but a friend of ours is, you know, died in a car accident.

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