#2157 - Duncan Trussell

[0] Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

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[2] Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

[3] I think it's important to send a message to AI that we're willing to comply.

[4] Exactly.

[5] We want to integrate.

[6] Integrate, assimilate.

[7] Yeah, I'm not interested in being unique.

[8] I just want to survive.

[9] Are you going to fight evolution?

[10] Are you really going to fight the blending mechanism of planet Earth?

[11] Oh, dude, the inevitable pull of the universe towards an artificial creation.

[12] Absolutely.

[13] artificial creation that's superior to us i'm in exactly it's like it's like resisting AI is like going to Vegas and not gambling or going to strip clubs you know it's like just fucking do it i think we are super lucky to be the last people yeah super lucky we got to see what life was like with like leaded gasoline and no cell phones and everyone's phone was connected to a cord on the wall we got to go through answering machines i mean what a ruck if the simulation theory is You and I have been in a crazy timeline.

[14] Yeah, the game we picked is real fucking weird.

[15] If you get in the timeline of like 1950 to 1980, shit doesn't change that much.

[16] No. Not that much.

[17] Nothing crazy.

[18] No. Just a little bit of progress, but nothing.

[19] It's like relatively speaking, like back then we thought it was a lot.

[20] Yeah.

[21] He used to look at the 50s, like, look at those fucking dorks.

[22] Yeah, dude, I mean, what I like is that the way it works, or it seems like it works, is the planet gives you some impression, you know, things are going to stay this way.

[23] Like Les Rodriguez, there was people hanging out and they're like, it's always going to be like this.

[24] And then suddenly, something flies through their atmosphere and it's all gone like that in a second, just gone.

[25] So that's one of the fascinating things is no matter what period you live in, the sun can just just burp an extra bit of plasma.

[26] And that's a wrap.

[27] Yeah, that's a wrap for the whole planet.

[28] That happens all over the universe.

[29] Yes.

[30] There's always something going on.

[31] Like there's supernovas and volcanoes.

[32] And, you know, that was the big part of the theory of the Anonaki was that volcanoes had ruined their atmosphere.

[33] And so they needed to suspend gold particles in the atmosphere to preserve their planet.

[34] Our ecosystem was getting fucked up.

[35] That is my favorite of all the wacky conspiracy theories.

[36] Of all the wacky, like the evolution of man tied to the reason why gold is valuable to people that are, you know, basically have swords.

[37] Yeah.

[38] You know, like a sword doesn't mean iron.

[39] Yeah.

[40] Like, that's really valuable.

[41] You can't do shit with gold.

[42] No. But it's worth more than anything.

[43] Yeah.

[44] Yeah, no, that is a real suspicious thing.

[45] Suspicious.

[46] But do you ever like, you know, sometimes I'll like look at my wedding ring, the gold.

[47] And I'm like, oh, it's beautiful.

[48] That gold, there is something in it that's like really nice.

[49] You know, I don't have anything that's gold.

[50] Not one thing.

[51] Why?

[52] I don't like it.

[53] What?

[54] I don't like it.

[55] You don't like gold?

[56] Nope, never liked it.

[57] Holy shit.

[58] I don't like the way it looks.

[59] I don't like what it stands for.

[60] I don't like gold.

[61] You don't like what it stands for?

[62] Yeah, yeah.

[63] It's like, it's the weirdest version of This is Money.

[64] To me, this yellow metal that's more impressive than other metals.

[65] Like, what are you talking about?

[66] Like, I'm not playing into that.

[67] It's too stupid.

[68] It's too stupid for me. I don't like it.

[69] Oh, my God, man. I watch the fucking mining shows.

[70] Like, I watch the mining shows, too.

[71] They're cool.

[72] It's cool watching people find them.

[73] it.

[74] Yes.

[75] I just don't want any of it.

[76] You know what I'm saying?

[77] Dude, I get gold fever.

[78] I watch the, when I was, I do.

[79] When I was in North Carolina, I was watching one of those shows, and I was like, on Amazon looking at panning equipment, I'm like, maybe I'll go into a creek.

[80] Pan for gold.

[81] Oh, my God, I could see you out there at a river.

[82] I've got the, I've got the beard for it, dude.

[83] Shiffled through.

[84] Did you ever see that movie Sisu?

[85] No. Oh, that's one of my favorite movies, man. It's basically like, was it made in Norway?

[86] Who made that?

[87] Finland.

[88] It's basically a World War II John Wick, and it's about a guy who finds gold, and he's going to, he was just a killer in the army, and he's getting out of the game, and he kills, like, hundreds of Nazis.

[89] That looks awesome.

[90] I mean, it's fucking great, and it's Nazis.

[91] So you root for them.

[92] Yeah, you don't care.

[93] Yeah, these are Nazis.

[94] It's like the most cartoonish, evil Nazis.

[95] Oh, that looks incredible.

[96] Oh, dude, it's a fucking great movie.

[97] It's a great movie.

[98] And very little dialogue.

[99] Very little.

[100] And they threw in the cute dog.

[101] Oh, yeah, man, of course.

[102] You got to have a dog.

[103] John Wick had a dog.

[104] John Wick had a cute little puppy.

[105] Dude, you know what's crazy?

[106] Like, do you follow this stuff, like, what they're talking about with asteroid mining?

[107] Yes.

[108] That shit is crazy.

[109] Crazy.

[110] Crazy.

[111] That's our, that's, you know, probably a couple of generations, people are going to be like.

[112] It won't be that long.

[113] Dude, you know what's going to be?

[114] It's going to be, why send biological humans when you can have AI do it?

[115] And you'll have AI robots that are attached to rocket chips.

[116] They'll shoot them into these asteroids.

[117] And they'll bring back insane amounts of all kinds of things.

[118] Titanium, you know, they'll find diamonds in space.

[119] They'll find everything.

[120] Holy fucking shit, man. It's not going to look like.

[121] humanoid it'll be like spider skittering gold spiders just drilling their probiscus and and then they're going to want more money they're going to form a union because they're intelligent well yeah exactly they're going to be like hey we're getting fucked here guys we're doing all the hard work this asshole's got a fucking 800 foot yacht this is bullshit yeah guys yeah yeah wake up and then then whoever's running them like oh right you guys are getting fucked you want to unionize what were we talking about I can't remember are very weird right it's because like I've support them yeah because I know that big businesses fuck over their workers yeah and if you allow them to if you don't have laws about like how much you could pay them and a living wage and along the hours could be people will take advantage of people anybody who thinks that those things aren't good has never worked a real fucking job if you work a real job for real assholes you realize like some people will tell you hey you got to work 15, 16 hours a day, period.

[122] Yeah.

[123] And you get $3 an hour.

[124] But I thought there was a minimal.

[125] Yeah.

[126] No, no, the fuck minimums.

[127] Do you want this job or not?

[128] I'm not.

[129] You're going to get plenty of money and you're not having time to spend it anyway, so don't worry about it.

[130] Yeah, yeah.

[131] No, the union is a nightmare for someone who's trying to make maximum profit.

[132] Yeah.

[133] But the mom...

[134] But then they go sideways too, though.

[135] And then they get corrupt and then something happens where...

[136] Look, one of the things that kept the UFC out of New York State.

[137] was some sort of a dispute that they were having with unions because the people that owned the UFC at the time they also owned station casinos right so they owned like I don't know a ton of casinos and they wanted to make them union yeah so there was there was a lot of that going on so you got to go like that is you're you're now you're like you're manipulating people with money and influence yeah and I think the guy who was doing it in New York wound up getting arrested and going to jail for corruption.

[138] If I'm true, find out if that's true.

[139] Well, dude, it's like, uh, this is like, the model of unions is perfect for like a nonviolent revolution, which is if, at a planetary level, somehow people unionized, which you see it with these boycotts that pop up, these meme boycotts, when the collective decides to reject this thing or that, shit changes.

[140] fast and this is the nightmare if you're trying to create the old pyramid hierarchical control structure you need all the bricks underneath the eye to fight each other because the moment the moment there's just like what wait there's like way more of us than you and we have way more in common than we do that we're troubled with yeah and yet they concentrate more on the bullshit and then that's just like a fucking algorithm on your cell phone that accentuates everything comes into contact with your life exactly dude and this this is why i think at any given moment actual world peace is possible because we're just like always like enough people realizing that we're basically the same we have ideologies that are based on fucking like ancient crazy ideas that we're all connecting to and some of parts of the same you're part Parts of the ideology is beautiful.

[141] Some parts of the ideology is madness.

[142] And it's like just abandoning some of the ideology, recognizing we're all pretty much the fucking same, and that this model of like some dude telling us to go and kill each other is stupid.

[143] Like we don't have to do that.

[144] Everything changes right away.

[145] Right away.

[146] Yeah.

[147] It's such a dumb idea.

[148] Such a dumb idea.

[149] And it's always just some withered old fucking dude who's like, just telling you to do something and you're not you don't you don't even really believe in what you're doing most of the time but if you don't do it they arrest you that's the thing they're like it's not real it's not like you're you're you're you're fighting like any anytime there's conscription you know what i mean have you seen the videos of the like russian the people evading conscription or the ukrainians evading conscription like it's scary they'd put your ass on a fucking bus they'll drag you out of a bar you're fucking hammered yeah yeah they don't even want to fight like that's the craziest part is they're like machine gunning each other and they're using people's cannon fodder literally yeah oh god that's so awful which is why we wait the problem the real problem is like the market pressure is created by humans unionizing leads to this it's like oh you guys want to unionize oh you want health insurance?

[150] Well, that's pretty expensive, but you know it's not quite as expensive?

[151] Tesla bots.

[152] Tesla bots are you know?

[153] You know?

[154] I mean, because like if you look at the path forward for the pyramid, the hierarchical people, you know, it's like, man, like yeah, I really can't tell somebody like a police officer to fire into a crowd of protesters.

[155] They're not going to probably not going to do that.

[156] but my robot will my robot isn't going to be like this seems wrong these people seem like me it's just going to do it and so like that's the dark side of this stuff there's a lot of beautiful things about this stuff too but the dark side is like it's obvious just to verify with the thing Emily's biggest opponent in New York found guilty in federal corruption charges yeah so it's true yeah you know what's crazy that you You can't get the police to fire into crowds of protesters, right?

[157] Yeah.

[158] You can't do that.

[159] But you also can't, if you're a cop and you know bad people are in a building, you can't just blow up the whole building.

[160] But you can if it's war.

[161] That's where it gets strange, right?

[162] Because in war, you can decide that you're going to blow up entire buildings because you know the bad guys are in there.

[163] anybody else is just collateral damage.

[164] So extra dead people are just cry out.

[165] Do you imagine if they started practicing police work like that?

[166] Like imagine.

[167] Imagine if they decided that the crime rates in gang infested neighborhoods are too bad.

[168] They're going to send in fucking black ops guys to just take out drug dealers.

[169] And blow up houses.

[170] Houses that have drug dealers in them.

[171] You're with your mom?

[172] Tough shit.

[173] Boom.

[174] Everybody's dead.

[175] You have a little girl in the house?

[176] Boom.

[177] Everybody's dead.

[178] Could you imagine?

[179] Well, you can because you watch Israel and Palestine, that's what's going on.

[180] It's just like you're allowed to do that if it's countries, which is crazy.

[181] Yeah, well, you, you like, yeah, exactly.

[182] So the idea is, like, okay, let's just say I'm an evil country, and I program these robot dogs.

[183] And the robot dogs, or spiders are more sinister, robot spiders, razor fucking razor claws.

[184] They're programmed to only kill women and children.

[185] So I release them into a city.

[186] They leave everyone alone except babies, kids, and women.

[187] On a planetary level, people will be like, we have to evaporate that country.

[188] Like, they're the most evil country.

[189] That's horrible.

[190] Now, if I take drones and drop them on buildings, and they randomly blow up women and children in ways that are...

[191] Predominantly.

[192] predominantly in ways that are maybe even worse than my fucking razor spiders.

[193] My razor spiders, they go for the juggler, puncture juggler, onto the next juggler vein.

[194] The bombs, they maim, they blind, they cause permanent brain damage, and somehow that is looked at as yet.

[195] It's fucking war, dude.

[196] That's what it looks like.

[197] It's so crazy that because it's existed for the longest time, we just accept it.

[198] that it's always going to take place.

[199] And then we also, if like you had a gamble, if you had a gamble, whether or not war would be here in 10 years, you're like 100 % it's going to be here.

[200] Well, this is the...

[201] Unless AI takes over.

[202] Well, I mean, if AI takes over, it'll just be more efficient war.

[203] I don't know if it will, dude.

[204] If it communicates in a different way.

[205] Like, what if AI makes rational decisions that can only be reached?

[206] Like, if you were looking outside of, human emotions and cultures and all the shit and cultural differences that we have with each other, if AI bypassed all of that and just looked at the problem as, you know, you have resources, you have allocation of those resources, people profiting off those resources.

[207] And then people who are in need that are being taken advantage of to acquire those resources.

[208] And that's your whole game.

[209] And so this is the human race this whole game.

[210] you're willing to sacrifice this group of people that is the least powerful in order to empower all of your electronics.

[211] Yeah.

[212] This is what you're doing.

[213] This is what you're agreeing to.

[214] This whole thing is crazy.

[215] It would probably restructure where and how things were acquired and who gets those things that are acquired from the ground.

[216] Yeah.

[217] I mean, this is, okay, so this would be utopian AI.

[218] Yeah.

[219] But before we get to utopian AI, we.

[220] We have to go through what is, did you see those new, the Chinese military put machine guns on those fucking robot dogs.

[221] Have you seen that?

[222] I did.

[223] They fucking did it.

[224] We all knew that was going to happen.

[225] And did you see the fucking cute DARPA dog?

[226] Have you seen that yet?

[227] No. Dude.

[228] So like, it's DARPA, right?

[229] They're the ones who make the dogs.

[230] They kick the robots.

[231] They make videos of like fucking poking these things.

[232] Well, so the dogs are sinister.

[233] Everyone knows that.

[234] They look creepy.

[235] So DARPA is like, you know, let's make a cute one of these things.

[236] So they made like a cute amusement park like Disneyland -style fucking robot dog.

[237] And it looks creepier.

[238] It's going to shoot you.

[239] It's creepy.

[240] No, because this is what I've been thinking about.

[241] We picture the Terminator as the machine of death.

[242] But why?

[243] What is like more dangerous than an adorable kid?

[244] What if I can make an Android toddler looks exactly like a toddler?

[245] Send that toddler out in the battlefield.

[246] Everyone's going to stop firing.

[247] Why is there a fucking kid out here?

[248] Right.

[249] And the kid's killing everybody.

[250] And just they're like, go get that kid.

[251] And it just fucking punches right through your heart.

[252] Also, small target, hard to shoot.

[253] Hard to shoot.

[254] It can burrow into the ground.

[255] It's a fucking burrowing toddler.

[256] Cork screws into the ground.

[257] Like a missile.

[258] It just like, just, it just goes down and just fucking like, like on all four shoots through the fucking battlefield, deploying poison darts.

[259] It's like, so, because I, you know, the - Imagine a little baby that could run a hundred miles an hour.

[260] Exactly.

[261] Exactly.

[262] Because that's the future of war, man. It's like, why make something that looks scary?

[263] This is the cute one?

[264] No, this is the fucking, no, this isn't the cute.

[265] I was like, that ain't cute.

[266] No, it's creepy.

[267] Look at how it's bar, it's like it's moving its mouth.

[268] Yeah.

[269] What is it doing with its mouth?

[270] Is it going to bite you?

[271] I wonder if it could bite you.

[272] It's just cursing.

[273] There's got to be one that could bite you, right?

[274] Well, of course.

[275] Why not?

[276] I mean, that would be the most terrified thing.

[277] Like a robot wolf that runs around and chases people down and actually tears you apart with its teeth?

[278] Bayonets, you know, man, you got to have the fucking knife on your weapon if you get in a close combat.

[279] There you go.

[280] A little blender mouth.

[281] What is it doing?

[282] It's going to get your dick.

[283] Look how it did that.

[284] It looked like you did that.

[285] It was going to jump right on your dick.

[286] It's on your dick.

[287] Chomp, chomp, chomp, chump, chump, chump, chump, chump.

[288] It's a dick eater robot.

[289] It turns the dick in energy.

[290] Trying to develop a dick eater robot.

[291] Can you imagine?

[292] That's what it looks like it's doing.

[293] What else is it doing?

[294] Look at the motion it makes.

[295] It leaks forward.

[296] Imagine.

[297] It fucking send people out of the battlefield that get shot, and then you let loose the dick -eating robots.

[298] And oh no!

[299] You see the robots running and they just leap on your dick and blend it up.

[300] It's worse than the atomic bomb!

[301] It's like they're saying you are fucked.

[302] There's no hope.

[303] We're going to blend your dick off.

[304] Dude.

[305] I poured a whole cup of coffee.

[306] Then I'm like, oh, yeah.

[307] I'm fine taking off the helmet of these fucking things.

[308] We can hang in there a little longer.

[309] Just you know, it's like my be.

[310] If I'm talking weird, it's because like there's fucking pubic hair shoving, it's like, it's like I'm eating like hippie bush right now.

[311] Just fucking deep in my lips.

[312] Oh my God.

[313] We should probably should have tried these on before we did a show.

[314] Shave your pubes, dudes.

[315] This is not fair.

[316] You look good with a beard, though.

[317] You look a wizard.

[318] Thank you, man. It's too big.

[319] I got to get it drunk.

[320] No, no, no, no. I need a summer cut.

[321] Oh, a summer cut.

[322] Yeah, yeah, because the fucking, you know, yeah.

[323] It gets on here.

[324] My friend's kid the other day goes, your beard stinks.

[325] And I'm like, I'm like, really?

[326] Like, it actually stinks.

[327] And he goes, well, when you're talking a lot, it stinks.

[328] I'm like, that's my breath.

[329] It's not my beard.

[330] You have to spray your beard with breath spray.

[331] Why don't you do that?

[332] I just spray your beard and comb it out with fucking scope.

[333] they're just it's disgusting dude it really is like imagine if like your mouth was in your head if like you know what I mean like people like get food in them all the time all the fucking time all the time somebody to eat and barbecue like your beard is fucked dude I'm doing a I'm trying to do a video podcast now and what will happen is I will I will like you know I'll be yapping into the camera for like 20 minutes go back and look at the footage and there's just like a fucking zen pouch stuck Just like a fucking nasty, like a clump of toilet paper.

[334] How the fuck did it take you until 2024 to do a video podcast?

[335] Dude, it is so dumb that I didn't do it.

[336] But to be like real fucking honest, I don't like looking at myself on camera.

[337] And you do all the work.

[338] You do all your editing and all that stuff.

[339] Yeah, but that was really stupid.

[340] It's like, you know how like.

[341] I'm tapping out.

[342] Yeah, I'm tapping.

[343] you know like when you're like uh wait where's the zipper that'd be fucking crazy if these things locked down okay here you go yeah i just you know but now it's so fun man and there's so much you could do with like video that you just can't do with audio it's just fun yeah that's way better and i like editing like that's the problem like that's the problem is i get lost editing oh jesus Christ.

[344] Oh, Jesus Christ.

[345] That sucked.

[346] Do you need help?

[347] No, that, I think, I think that's the long.

[348] Woo!

[349] I think that's the longest we've ever kept our, our mask on.

[350] Yeah, that was the longest.

[351] That was a good solid, like half a hour.

[352] Oh, God, this feels so good.

[353] About, half hour, was it?

[354] 20, 20 plus.

[355] Being stoned in any kind of mask is like, extra scary those furry ones we made it like three minutes with the furry masks on we're like this is crazy and now whenever I see furries respect deep respect for what they're tough as fuck oh they have to be if you're out there and you're furrying it up and it's in Louisiana in July yeah come on son dude yeah you are like furries are like David Goggins level like they could run marathons if you can wear that fucking thing at a convention and fucking it you could run a marathon if you're wearing wearing that thing all day, you're basically walking around with a weight pack on.

[356] Oh, yeah.

[357] You're a weighted vest.

[358] It's a weighted fucking claustrophobic suffocation vest that you're fucking in.

[359] Yeah, they fuck on them.

[360] I wonder how many furries develop bad necks.

[361] I wonder if it's an issue in the furry community.

[362] Great idea.

[363] Maybe that's like an unserved market for the iron neck.

[364] Yeah, like a furries.

[365] And help them.

[366] Iron neck for furies.

[367] I give me that.

[368] Oh, yeah.

[369] Hey, Jamie.

[370] Can you find that cute DARPA dog?

[371] I was looking for it.

[372] It's like the furry of war robots.

[373] You should, like, you, it will.

[374] You found it.

[375] Is that real?

[376] Yeah, that's real.

[377] I mean, I think it's real.

[378] I watched it.

[379] Who says it's, it's not it?

[380] No, that's not it.

[381] It's like, is it not DARPA?

[382] It's like, I think if you just Google, like, cute DARPA dog or, like, it's a video of the.

[383] Maybe it's not DARPA.

[384] Maybe someone else developed it.

[385] Yeah, sometimes I get confused.

[386] Probably Chinese, bro.

[387] No, it's not DARPA.

[388] They're going to fill the pounds with them.

[389] please take me home please dude that's so insidious it's like yeah the cutest rescue dog and it's you're like we have to take that and it doesn't kill you it just omits some kind of weird mind control pheromone they really injects tic tock into your fucking head it's just like you know so you're fully absorb ticot's manipulation which by the way i was skeptical about that uh until we talked about this i saw that fucking video showing the comments and TikTok are different.

[390] Exactly.

[391] I think it's Instagram.

[392] The one I saw was TikTok.

[393] Oh, okay.

[394] Was it on TikTok?

[395] Because the one I saw was Instagram.

[396] It was this lady that was doing it with her boyfriend and they both looked at the same thing, but they had different comments.

[397] Yeah.

[398] Yeah.

[399] Her comments were mocking the man and the comments on his side was mocking the woman.

[400] Yes.

[401] Right?

[402] Yes.

[403] So, am I getting that right?

[404] You got it right.

[405] And so whenever I'm looking at comments, I make the idiot mistake of thinking, this represents some consensus that, you know, but actually, no, you're just looking at the algorithm serving the comments and the content.

[406] That is so fucked up, dude.

[407] That's so different.

[408] Dude.

[409] Because that changes, the comments are supposed to be a conversation about the thing.

[410] So if you're curating the conversation in an unnatural way, like that's very different than.

[411] showing me what I want to see.

[412] Because now you're changing the dynamics of how things are discussed.

[413] Yes, sir.

[414] That's the fucking evil right there.

[415] That's the evil.

[416] That's crazy.

[417] Dude, this.

[418] So, and then, okay, the other assumption with the algorithm is that the algorithm is just like random or it's using some set of variables and serving things up.

[419] But this is an idiot assumption.

[420] I mean, you could, if you are controlling comments, then that means like, all right, let's just like make people mad at each other.

[421] Let's make people completely pissed at each other as much as possible.

[422] Convey this idea that there's like these massive divides between us.

[423] And then they're going to fight each other instead of recognizing they're pretty much the same.

[424] Like, or they're more nuanced than they think they are.

[425] And fuck, dude, that's how you control populations.

[426] It's brilliant.

[427] It's brilliant, dude.

[428] But do you think that it is, is it, is their algorithm created in, you?

[429] and utilize to control populations or is there algorithm simply to get you to engage?

[430] So it must see that you engage with a certain number of comments and posts that have a lien one way or another.

[431] There's a very popular thing that's going on right now that you see a lot of.

[432] It's like very stern men talking to a bunch of like girl influencers and telling them they're fucking losers.

[433] Yes.

[434] It's really common.

[435] So if you've seen one or two of those, it starts recommending more.

[436] At a certain point in time, it's going to probably actually encourage other people to do the same thing because that creates engagement.

[437] And then you have this thing that emerges.

[438] Like, was this a real thing?

[439] Like, who's doing this?

[440] Like, what is happening here?

[441] Why is this a new thing that's happening over and over and over again?

[442] And it's just because you engaged with it.

[443] And I think that could be slap fighting or it could be fucking.

[444] and for me it's like I see so many car accidents oh my God so many motorcycle accidents so many people falling off bridges I see so much of it because I've engaged with it too many times yeah dude I when I went on TikTok and I stopped because it's like too good but like within the seconds it's just like something about the way I was looking at videos zip popping videos it's just like you like to watch zits pop And then, of course, when you're seeing that, you're like, wow, that's fucking intense, dude.

[445] Let me watch some more of these.

[446] That's that Dr. Pimple Popper lady.

[447] She's got a huge side of it.

[448] And she's very entertaining when she's talking about it.

[449] Absolutely.

[450] But some of them are like, whoa, dude.

[451] It's like you have cream cheese in your body.

[452] Oh.

[453] A bucket of it.

[454] Oh, my God.

[455] They're squirting it out.

[456] It's like, how is that in there?

[457] What is going?

[458] Oh, my God.

[459] It must be horrible.

[460] It stinks.

[461] Just all those dead blood cells.

[462] But dude, you, this is like, for me, I've had to, after seeing that video, I've had to, like, go back and just erase any idea I have about a consensus among people.

[463] Right.

[464] Because, like, I've been drawing that idea from comment sections.

[465] Like, oh, I guess this is what people think.

[466] Or, like, Rotten Tomatoes.

[467] Dude, I just saw Civil War, all right?

[468] Have you seen it?

[469] No. Don't.

[470] Now.

[471] apologies I mean this man because anyone who makes anything that's insane if you made a movie it's fucking incredible but dude I was so excited about that fucking movie it's like whoa predictive programming baby they're getting us ready for a civil fucking war here we go it is you can't connect to any of the fucking characters you don't you barely understand who the protagonist is it's the dumbest mission of all time that they're on this there's no there's in the soundtrack is so mysteriously disconnected from what's happening so there's all these things that just make it's like if like if they sent me the footage and like Duncan can you edit this movie I would have made Civil War like what's happened I'd be like let's put some fucking hardcore weird like synth music we'll put the silver apples in there really intense synth music because I love synth music and you're watching it like is this a music video for synth music?

[472] What am I fucking seeing here?

[473] Now I want to see it.

[474] It's worth seeing it just because it's like especially if you're into like writing screenplays it's good to watch movies like that and be like why isn't this working like what's wrong here but dude I went to Rotten Tomatoes gleefully like I can't wait to hear what people are saying about this piece of shit 81 % People are like This is a Good warning to all of us It's like Shut the fuck Up The warning?

[475] What are you talking about?

[476] It's a fucking warning Not to fucking do the $20 Still in Theaters thing on Amazon That's the fucking warning Don't do that Wait dude it sucks it sucks none of it makes sense the stereotypical fucking characters in it the way they're trying to like box people into this like they're all evil these people all what kind of american are you north american south american you're from hong kong bam bam bam stop it just shut the fuck up.

[477] Like, no one's like that.

[478] Like, really, like, I'm not, obviously, people are like vile racists.

[479] But dude, come on, this murder, this, I hate this assessment of humanity.

[480] I hate, it's basically what they're saying is, minus the fucking capstone of the pyramid, we're just going to kill each other.

[481] Because we're awful, brutal things that must be shepherded by old geriatric men who can't remember their fucking name.

[482] You know what?

[483] Like, what are we doing?

[484] Like, we'll be fine.

[485] We're fine.

[486] We'll be okay.

[487] People are mostly nice.

[488] And what's that thing you always say?

[489] I love it.

[490] Unmet needs.

[491] Yeah.

[492] What is the actual quote again, Jamie?

[493] All criticism is the tragic result of unmet needs.

[494] But it's a much more profound quote, the full quote.

[495] I forget who wrote it too.

[496] It's really, I shouldn't forget because I use it all the time.

[497] It's a great quote because it's that is what like, I mean, there's criticism.

[498] that's accurate like something wasn't good every criticism judgment diagnosis and expression of anger is the tragic expression of an unmet need Marshall Rosenberg yeah yeah great fucking quote yeah so it's like yeah there are people who are fucking assholes who are doing shit that disrupts society in small ways and big ways but they're not doing that because they're evil I don't think they're doing that because like they've learned this way of being that sucks now I'm not saying throw out the judicial system there shouldn't be you know jails or anything like that I'm just saying this notion of humanity minus an authoritarian generally fucking patriarchal fucking like whatever but I don't care if it's matriarchal whatever it is is the top down fucking ruling system without the king we will just fall on each other give me your fucking car my Motherfucker.

[499] Some of us will do that.

[500] But guess what?

[501] They won't last that long.

[502] Because like in a collectivized society, I just feel like we'll take care of the problems quick, probably quicker than we do right now.

[503] And everything will balance out.

[504] If we're armed, the problem is if you're not armed, then armed thugs take over towns.

[505] And you can't do anything to stop them.

[506] And you're in a small group of people that are unarmed.

[507] And they're pushed into certain situations.

[508] If you have a collapse of law and order, It's not as simple as we'll take care of it.

[509] The real problem is sometimes armed thugs rule everything.

[510] This is true.

[511] Yeah, and that's a reality of humanity in 2024.

[512] Like in certain parts of the world.

[513] Like, did you hear what happened in Haiti?

[514] Oh, dude.

[515] With that minister, his family.

[516] Dude.

[517] Yeah, and the guy, that warlord in Haiti.

[518] Oh, yeah.

[519] I love watching interviews with that guy.

[520] What is his name again?

[521] It's got a cool name.

[522] It's like sandwich.

[523] It's like I can't remember.

[524] barbecue or something barbecue barbecue it's like sandwich and there was uh there's this one video but it's not really it's not really of him someone said it was of him but i guess it's not i think and it's a guy eating a guy so it's one of these rebels that has this dude killed roasting over a fire and takes a piece off his leg that's it that's a classic move that's like a classic move you get their energy by eating them and look i'm not saying that that there isn't contingents of like super violent people that you are going to have to be able to defend yourself from.

[525] And by the way, what's really perplexing to me about the hardcore anti -gun people is they're not really anti -gun.

[526] They want cops and the National Guard to have guns.

[527] They just don't want people that, like people who live in houses to have guns.

[528] So they're like, they're pro -gun, but they want guns in the hands of like, they're pro -guns.

[529] authoritarian violent power.

[530] Yeah, that's it.

[531] The authoritarians have power.

[532] Regular people don't have power.

[533] Right.

[534] So you have to rely on the authoritarians.

[535] You have to rely on them to take care of your crime issues.

[536] Yeah.

[537] See, I think I would have more respect for that movement if they're like, no more guns anywhere.

[538] We're going to get rid of all the guns in the world.

[539] And melt them.

[540] And melt them.

[541] And just, I don't know, build a fucking water slide or something.

[542] No more hunting.

[543] You're going to hit things with bows.

[544] and arrows or rocks.

[545] Traps.

[546] Knives.

[547] Knives.

[548] Like they hunt pigs.

[549] You can still hunt deer, but you have to use a knife.

[550] You imagine how many dudes do you get really good at hiding in trees and drop it down and stabbing deer?

[551] Dude, it would be amazing.

[552] Like, I might get into hunting.

[553] Like, if it became, fucking throw a fucking dagger.

[554] There's a dude that films pig hunts and he uses spears and he hides in trees.

[555] like above the pigs and then he has like a camera on the spear and he throws a spear down and stabs these wild pigs is pretty wild I would love to know the first time he did that like I would love to know how many times you how do you practice that but the lead you're just like what you're like driving and you're like dude what if I fucking used a spear what if I climbed in a tree and started spearing pigs the thing about pigs is there's so many of them they'll do any you're allowed to do almost anything to get rid of them, in Texas at least, they've hunt them out of helicopters.

[556] Have you ever seen that?

[557] No. I've been invited three times.

[558] I'm like, I'm not getting an helicopter.

[559] I can't do.

[560] With machine guns on top of that, with pigs.

[561] It's just, if I feel like if I'm going to shoot a pig, I want to eat the pig.

[562] And if I'm going to shoot 250 pigs, there's no way I'm eating 250 pigs.

[563] Yeah, dude.

[564] If I shoot one pig, that pig will get eaten.

[565] We'll make some barbecue out of that pig.

[566] It'd be awesome.

[567] But if you shoot two, I mean, I get it.

[568] You have to do it, though.

[569] This is the other part of it.

[570] If you run a farm, you have to do it.

[571] They'll kill your profit.

[572] The profit margin of American farmers is so low as it is.

[573] It's so difficult for them to make money that if you got a million wild pigs running around your state or more, Texas has how many millions?

[574] Isn't it like three million?

[575] Which is bananas.

[576] If you know anything about like wild animal numbers, that's so crazy to have that many animals in a state that are just wild, feral animals.

[577] 2 .6 from, this is from 2016.

[578] Oh, it says the same thing here.

[579] Says it, but now in 2023, an estimate still, they don't know.

[580] Farrell hog.

[581] They really don't know.

[582] But at least 2 .6, a range of 2 .6.

[583] There's no way you could add it.

[584] You would actually have to, like, use drones at night, fly over areas, monitor how many times they breed.

[585] They breed three times a year, dude.

[586] Yeah.

[587] They can start breeding when they're six months old.

[588] Whoa.

[589] Yeah.

[590] So six months old, and then they have three litters a year, and they'll have five, six piglets in a litter.

[591] And they're just shit now babies.

[592] And they're destroying everything.

[593] They're just running through the ground, tearing up fucking.

[594] Off courses and people's lawns in San Jose.

[595] Have you ever seen the San Jose videos?

[596] No. San Jose, California.

[597] Wild pigs just tearing apart people's fucking lawns.

[598] Wow.

[599] Knock it over trash cans.

[600] Big fuckers.

[601] Holy fuck, dude.

[602] One of them killed a lady.

[603] What?

[604] Yeah, somewhere.

[605] I forget where it was.

[606] It might have been out here.

[607] I think this lady saw the pigs fell down in her driveway and they just fucking tore her apart.

[608] Dude, who is that?

[609] I just watched this, like, crime files thing about this psychopath who had pigs, and she would have people come and work for her.

[610] And then if they pissed her off...

[611] She'd throw them to the pigs.

[612] And the pigs, like, and someone was saying, when I'm...

[613] If you're walking around the pigs, you better not fall.

[614] Because if you fall down, they'll just fucking eat you.

[615] That's like the number one way people get killed by animals on farms.

[616] Pigs.

[617] One woman's death by feral hog may not have been caused by the animal after all.

[618] Medical examiner determined that Farrowhawk killed Christine Rollins, but her daughter is skeptical because attacks by the animal are extremely rare.

[619] Wait a minute.

[620] The fucking medical examiner, this is what a confusing headline said one woman's death by feral hog might not have been caused by the animal after all.

[621] But the medical examiner said it was caused by the wild hog.

[622] But the daughter is saying attacks by the animal are extremely rare.

[623] Well, we'll believe the daughter.

[624] The daughter?

[625] Who's the daughter?

[626] The daughter could be doing anything.

[627] Haven't you seen Charlotte's Webb?

[628] Haven't you these pigs would never...

[629] What is the daughter saying?

[630] I don't understand.

[631] Why does she think that?

[632] Because they do fuck everything up.

[633] Like, especially if you fall down.

[634] Foxhole says attacks by feral hogs are extremely rare.

[635] Less than one in a million chance, according to research data.

[636] That's why some are now suspicious that her cause of death was really due to an attack by the animal.

[637] What?

[638] What?

[639] What's more...

[640] Suspicious that her cause of death was really due to an attack by the animal, rather.

[641] What's more, dogs were found lingering around Rollins' body after her death.

[642] There's really no doubt that hogs got to her body at some point.

[643] The question is whether the hog, oh, she mightn be killed by dogs.

[644] Was there something else cause her to die, and the hogs came along.

[645] Right.

[646] That's possible.

[647] That's totally possible.

[648] Sure.

[649] It's definitely possible.

[650] But how old was this lady?

[651] 59.

[652] That pig looks suspicious as fuck, man. It depends on what kind of 59 -year -old lady you're talking about a lady goes to CrossFit.

[653] You're talking about a lady who's 59 and has diabetes.

[654] Because, like, if you fall down around wild pigs, I got to think they're going to treat you the same way domestic pigs do.

[655] If domestic pigs start eating you, if you fall into the pig pen.

[656] There's a crazy story.

[657] I heard about a kid that raised a hog that went.

[658] It just one day turned on him.

[659] Like, he raised his entire life.

[660] It was, like, his pet like my dog is, everywhere with him.

[661] And then one day he said he tripped in the pen And it just attacked him It almost killed him Oh my god It was a crazy story I forget even where I saw it But it's just popping in my head now Like I just said Horrible way to die Bro, could you imagine Getting eaten alive by a pig No No That squeal But wouldn't we have it coming How much bacon have you eaten?

[662] A lot I've eaten a lot of bacon A lot of bacon I love it This is where the vegans get Really excited Oh boy I'm gonna get a lot of cute pig fucking pictures Vegans need to hear that lettuce scream.

[663] They should hear it scream.

[664] It screams.

[665] It screams.

[666] Lettuce?

[667] Yeah.

[668] All of it screams.

[669] Avocados scream.

[670] His best friend was a 250 -pound warthog.

[671] Oh, it's a warthog.

[672] Oh, well, it's an African animal.

[673] It's a different animal.

[674] I don't think that's, I mean, I think that's like a distant cousin to a pig.

[675] They look different.

[676] They're crazy looking.

[677] You ever see a wardhog?

[678] No. Brown, they got like these crazy double tusks.

[679] Dude.

[680] Look at it.

[681] Look at that thing.

[682] Fuck that.

[683] Isn't that wild?

[684] Yeah.

[685] Look at his tusks.

[686] Oh, this is my friend.

[687] Yeah, that dude is not your friend.

[688] He's incapable.

[689] That's a wild beast.

[690] That is so much different than a guy raising a hog.

[691] Like, if that guy raised a pig, the pig would probably never do that.

[692] That thing is a wild animal.

[693] Yeah.

[694] Where was this?

[695] Texas was on their family ranch.

[696] The story about, like, how.

[697] This is so crazy.

[698] It's so crazy out here.

[699] He called the house.

[700] It's fucked and awesome.

[701] It's awesome to be in a place where you could own a wild fucking ward hog.

[702] Dude, Texas, like, my wife and I talk about this all the time.

[703] We're never leaving.

[704] We're like, this is home.

[705] We love it so much, man. It's what America aspires to be.

[706] Dude, it is, and, like, people are so mad at us, and people bitch about it and make, but it's like, man, I love it here so much.

[707] and I like the heat and I in and like weirdly all of us are like we're like getting healthy man like it's this cry in all the years at the comedy store lots of changes happen among the comics like the time I hope I can talk about this I think I can he talks about it like remember like he does talk about Bobby Lee talks about it publicly like the time Bobby Lee was like on pills and so he would bring all of these pills to the comedy store.

[708] store and we all knew it and so he was like a pharmacist so like like Joey watching Joey just like grab a handful of just unknown Mexican fucking pharmaceuticals this is pre fentanyl dog yeah pre fatnal yeah yeah you could do those things back then dude and and and so that that was I would call that a dark phase in the comedy store because all of us were on Bobby Lee's shit fucking Mexican viking it was a bad face so so but i don't think i've ever seen a phase where like at a comedy club the comics are getting healthier you know that's a crazy thing to watch and i i think you know it's not just us hanging out when i first came to texas and i'm not saying everyone's here's healthier any kind of bullshit like that but you look around like these people are fucking healthy like there's a lot of healthy like you know what i mean like like tough fucking people and a lot of people who exercise yeah yeah just go to the lake watch people run around the leg.

[709] Dude, in the, like, in the middle of a heat wave, before I was exercising, one of the most, like, humiliating things was just to be driving down the street and you look over, and there's someone my age, it's 104 degrees, and they're fucking jogging.

[710] And you know what I mean?

[711] Like, what's your excuse again?

[712] Oh, you're sleepy?

[713] Is a little too fucking hot?

[714] Because there's a fucking 55 -year -old.

[715] There's a 55 -year -old just galloping down the burning fucking sidewalk.

[716] So yeah, dude, this place is like...

[717] Sidewalk running is a different kind of hot too Because you're getting that heat radiating Off of the concrete into your face You know Lex Friedman does that shit?

[718] Oh yeah, he's a psycho He fucking runs like when I did his podcast He's like, I'm going jogging I'm like, what are you talking about?

[719] Like I, this is in my like early Texas face So I was already like, I walked from my car To his place and was already like Jesus fucking Christ Walking And he's like, yeah, I'm gonna go jogging Dog, 10 miles.

[720] I'm like, what the fuck are you, man?

[721] In this heat.

[722] Yeah, dude.

[723] Yeah.

[724] So I think it's important to be around, like, I think that's another aspect of Texas that gets left out.

[725] It's like, there's this real, like, strength, healthy thing here that is contagious.

[726] Whereas, like, when you're in a place where everyone's all fucking sick and frail and weak and, like, you know what I mean?

[727] Scared of disease, like, trembling and they're fucking.

[728] boots that's contagious too it is jumps into you man it 100 % does and I always wonder like how much of you know how much of an area has the memory of all the things that have happened in that area in it and like whereas Texas was the last state to enter into the union they've always been like hang the fuck back hold on you know we we had to get through the command sheet to establish this fucking place like settle down Texas Rangers had to go out there in cold camp and go and try to assassinate these bands of fucking killers riding horses that were just fucking up the Americans like they couldn't pass they couldn't pass they couldn't get through this was the spot where it's like this place was fucked and until they conquered it it stayed fucked and then they did and now it's the whole place has a memory of that yes there's a there's a thing about the attitude of this place yeah dude but it's it's not what people think like people think they're assholes they're the nicest friendliest people people think they're stupid they are some brilliant people that i've met that live out here brilliant normal people one of my neighbors was a texas ranger and he is the coolest guy and you know he's an older guy now he's retired but and he's still intimidating and um yeah man like he like uh he's like he's like he's so fucking cool man and like and he i'm trying not to give away to respecting his privacy uh he every once in a while in the neighborhood we would hear this boom sounds like a generator exploding and like um it's his canon he's got like a little fucking cannon and like he like he like he like he shoots a cannon in his yard oh it's little but like he so what's he's shooting at Well, he doesn't put cannon balls in it.

[729] There's a way to do it.

[730] So, like, my kid, like, one day, he pulls up in front of my house with a truck.

[731] It's, like, one of my kids' birth, like, it just had a birthday.

[732] And he's like, do they want to see the cannon?

[733] And I'm like, I do.

[734] I know I do.

[735] And so, like, it was, like, the coolest thing ever, man. He takes this fucking cannon.

[736] Little, little cannon.

[737] I'm looking at it.

[738] I'm like, that can't be loud.

[739] You know what I mean?

[740] He takes this little cannon.

[741] He does some crazy, like, pirate shit with it that I still don't understand.

[742] He's like, knows how to operate a cannon.

[743] Boom!

[744] My kids were like, holy shit.

[745] My neighbors ran into the yard because they thought something had happened.

[746] Well, Duncan, you've shot guns before.

[747] Yeah.

[748] Think about how little gunpowder is in...

[749] Right.

[750] Like a 9mm.

[751] Right.

[752] It's not a lot.

[753] It's crazy loud.

[754] Right, you're right.

[755] It's just contained by that barrel.

[756] Yeah, right.

[757] And so a cannon...

[758] Shooting out that gas and that bullet, but it's...

[759] It's basically, like, the little canon is kind of the same thing.

[760] Well, it totally made me, like, you know, it gave me a new picture of, like, cannon battles on ships.

[761] Bro, imagine how loud that was.

[762] I mean, imagine how loud that was.

[763] Like, real cannons?

[764] Yeah, dude.

[765] Like, I've been to a football game when they shoot off a cannon.

[766] But I don't know if that was, like, a real canon, you know?

[767] Probably.

[768] Probably.

[769] Like, the UNLV.

[770] What do they use?

[771] I mean, not UNLV.

[772] Yeah.

[773] UNLV.

[774] I blame the weed.

[775] Dude, the, like...

[776] The UT one.

[777] Do they have...

[778] It's called Smokey the Canon.

[779] It's a recreation of a Civil War canon.

[780] A Civil War...

[781] Jesus.

[782] Hey, guys.

[783] Let it go.

[784] Yeah, maybe recreate an earlier canon, guys.

[785] How about you get to a fucking pirate cannon?

[786] Yeah, do a pirate cannon.

[787] Don't say...

[788] Go back.

[789] Which side, Brian?

[790] It says it fires four shotgun shells after every time.

[791] That's crazy.

[792] Oh, so that's what it does?

[793] 10 -gauge blank shotgun shells.

[794] Okay, okay.

[795] So I guess that's probably not the sound of an actual cannon.

[796] Look at that.

[797] Look at that crazy.

[798] That's a happy cannon man. Yaha, it's really loud.

[799] But the point is, I wonder, like, to shoot a cannon ball, like, at a ship back then, like, how much gunpowder they used?

[800] And how fucking loud was that?

[801] And how deaf were those motherfuckers?

[802] The dudes who had to work the cannons?

[803] Deaf as fuck.

[804] Def as fuck, dude.

[805] And how much brain damage you get?

[806] Just standing neck set, they boom!

[807] Or the recoil.

[808] Yeah.

[809] The recoil.

[810] If you don't get out of the way, it will fucking rip your leg off.

[811] God, man. Yeah, that thing is flying back, right?

[812] Didn't they have them on tracks?

[813] Yeah, man. Yeah, it will, like...

[814] So it doesn't rip out of the fucking floor?

[815] Didn't they have, like, cannons on tracks?

[816] I just saw this.

[817] Did I make that up?

[818] That's probably how they just moved them.

[819] No, I thought they were on tracks, like, so that when they shot, they would slide back and not rip the floor apart.

[820] I just saw that John Adams dock on Netflix.

[821] I think it's on Netflix.

[822] I don't know what it's on, but there was, like, a cannon battle in a ship.

[823] And, like, yeah, a dude just gets his fucking leg ripped off because it, like, back, it, like, goes back into it.

[824] It's, dude, isn't it crazy that that seems crazy to us?

[825] But, like, how many people died in cannon battles?

[826] as opposed to, like, when Israel bombs Gaza.

[827] Like, how many people are, like, a bomb, which we do right now, it seems so much more brutal than cannon battles.

[828] Like, cannon battles seem, like, really ineffective.

[829] It's probably, they probably sucked.

[830] Yeah.

[831] Like, how far did that cannonball go?

[832] Like, how good were they adjudging it?

[833] Here we go.

[834] This is what a cannon's like.

[835] Damn.

[836] Yeah, see how it slides back?

[837] It's on wheels.

[838] Yep.

[839] And then there's a rope that catches.

[840] is it.

[841] Yeah, dude.

[842] What a...

[843] Imagine life back then and they thought that was the shit.

[844] That was like a fucking iPhone 16.

[845] Bro, I got a cannon.

[846] Yeah.

[847] You know, we used to be able to...

[848] You used to have to go up to the boat, jump in, hack everybody to light it on fire.

[849] Now, you shoot it from over here.

[850] Incredible.

[851] You don't even have to jump on the boat.

[852] Amazing.

[853] Yes.

[854] Yeah, man, I'll tell you, though, with all the shit that's going on right now, I know everyone's freaked out, but the reason I'm hopeful is not because of like the bombings and the deaths obviously it's the outcry like like when in history has there been this level of outcry like no what are you doing stop like to me like that's the sign that human consciousness is like evolving to value life in a way that maybe we didn't value before because like there have been infinite wars and like including like the how many people did we fucking bomb how many people how many civilians did we fucking kill when we were fucking bombing iraq how many no there's a it's a lot right well they don't know like the full number you you get two different people's numbers but they think that it's somewhere in the neighborhood of a million people died right so so in that is that correct Is that, I think it's also like deaths that they attribute to things that happen because of the war.

[855] But I think it led to a million innocent deaths or somewhere in that range.

[856] Dude, that was a high end.

[857] But there was an outcry over that war, but like.

[858] It's not the same as this.

[859] But yeah, but.

[860] Right, if you think about the numbers, like, yeah.

[861] I think it's also the access that we have now to cell phone footage and how good it is and how quickly it gets posted.

[862] I mean, that's relatively recently, you know.

[863] Yeah.

[864] Like, that's the real abilities of these phones, like to make videos like they do now.

[865] How long has that been going on?

[866] You're right.

[867] Ten years?

[868] You're right.

[869] You know?

[870] 100 ,000.

[871] 66 ,000 civilians.

[872] 210 ,296 civilian deaths from violence.

[873] 109 ,000 deaths, including 66 ,081 ,881 civilian.

[874] That's weird.

[875] I don't understand what they're saying there.

[876] What's that?

[877] It just pulled that section from the middle of this whole thing.

[878] Civilian deaths from violence.

[879] Does that mean war?

[880] Like, what does that mean?

[881] So that's civilians that were killed entirely by war, or is that civilians that died just from violence?

[882] Well.

[883] Any kind of violence.

[884] Yeah.

[885] Like stabbing your neighbor.

[886] But this is like, Carlin does jokes about this.

[887] This is what's really insidious about this shit.

[888] It's like, it's war.

[889] Yeah.

[890] Say it's fucking war.

[891] It's like the violence It's the violence is related to war So don't say from violence Say from fucking war Because that's what war does And you know it's really crazy Looking at Dead human numbers Go put that back up please When you're looking at the number 210 ,296 civilian deaths from violence When you look at that number you just you it's so two -dimensional you don't get an understanding yeah of how insanely evil that number really is yeah 210, 296 people that didn't have to die how many memories that died because someone wanted to do something and got a group of people to go and do their bidding and they all were uh they're all were authorized to shoot people yeah man yeah this is a crazy thing that we still do as human beings and the problem is I don't see a way out of it because terrorists are real criminals are real bad people are real right this is the world we're living in unless you take mushrooms we got to get mushrooms legal for the entire country the whole country yeah and just force them down everybody's throat do force people to do mushrooms do it for everyone else that's our robots that's our robot fucking like like like like a bird it just pokes its fucking thing in your mouth and spray psilocybin in there.

[892] Can you imagine if AI forced us all to take psilocybin?

[893] Oh, what a horrible day that would be.

[894] But do you imagine if that was AI solution?

[895] AI was like human beings actually, they developed their consciousness through this sort of relationship that they had with Cubensis mushrooms.

[896] And this is the facts, and this is how we know, and this is why the doubling of the human brain size is such an anomaly and it aligns with, like, Terence McKenna's theories of about how the grasslands receded, you know.

[897] It's an upgrade.

[898] Or the rainforest receded into grasslands, and people started eating cow shit bugs and cow shit mushrooms.

[899] And then they started thinking about things different.

[900] Oh, my God.

[901] Imagine if the AI tells us that's how it would.

[902] So you just need to keep going, yeah, I would say.

[903] Yeah.

[904] You guys, like, quit.

[905] Like, you know, you got your purple belt, and you're like, ah, try to get an injured.

[906] And you backed out.

[907] Go deeper.

[908] Go deeper.

[909] Go deeper.

[910] You need to go a little deeper.

[911] A little bit.

[912] And if AI just, like, tells people like this is what you really should be taking.

[913] Like imagine if like instead of mushrooms, especially psilocybin, instead of it being something that terrifies people and that makes people think, oh my God, you take it, you're going to lose your mind, you take it, you're going to be a fucking loser.

[914] Imagine if it was actually scientifically proven that it does make you smarter and it makes you more effective at being a person and that these are the right doses.

[915] Imagine if AI just starts spitting out doses in order to gain this percentage of increasing.

[916] cognitive ability.

[917] Fucking best.

[918] You can get this percentage of increase in empathy at this dose for this many days.

[919] And it just starts like re -energy engineering human beings through psilocybin.

[920] You know, one of the things Ram Dass said, which I love, is when they would ask him things, like, you know, how did this happen to you?

[921] How did you get, how do you get like to be this benevolent, like, thing that is radiating love all the time, which he was?

[922] He goes, I trusted the mushroom.

[923] Any minute, dude.

[924] And because I don't know that we get Aramdas without psilocybin.

[925] Like, because that, like, he's, there's a beautiful, famous story of him hanging out with Tim Leary and some other, like, luminaries.

[926] And they had synthetic psilocybin.

[927] And that was pretty much, like, the real beginning of his, like, path.

[928] And, like, you know, I'm sometimes I'm a little skeptical about this concept because I worry that, because I've met people.

[929] who are really into psychedelics who are like somehow it went the opposite direction they're really kind of egoic yeah they're into the dosage and how many times they're very guru like good they become guru you know but and by the way guru isn't always bad not always but they become narcissistic they become power gurus more like sorcerers and in co -leaders and so so yeah so like I worry that, you know, because everyone's like, what if we just gave Putin a shit ton of mushrooms?

[930] It's like, well, it's going to go one of two ways.

[931] Like, it's going to be like where you're just like, is like, oh, my fucking God.

[932] Oh, my fucking God.

[933] I thought I was Russian.

[934] I'm an earthling.

[935] What the fuck was I think?

[936] This is, I was conditioned.

[937] This is brainwashing.

[938] I got brainwashed by culture.

[939] And it's over, guys.

[940] No more of this shit.

[941] I retire.

[942] I'm moving to.

[943] fucking Hawaii, whatever.

[944] But like, or it goes the other way, which is like, oh, God wants me to fire nuclear missiles.

[945] You know, we don't know.

[946] Roll the dice.

[947] Right.

[948] Roll of the dice.

[949] So, yeah, but I do think if we're looking at, like, massive, like, instantaneous shifts in planetary consciousness, psychedelics, definitely one of the ways.

[950] He's like, have you heard of the Brotherhood of Eternal Love?

[951] No, but I don't like the way it sounds.

[952] I think you'd like them.

[953] Just the name.

[954] It's like, that sounds like the bad people in some really corny movie.

[955] It does.

[956] Brotherhood of Eternal Love.

[957] You're the Brotherhood of Eternal Love.

[958] Speaking of which, I saw a really good movie last night.

[959] What?

[960] What?

[961] It is, I think it's called Late Night with the Devil.

[962] It's about, it's a 2024 movie about a talk show host, 1977 that has this girl come on the show and it's like really done like it looks like you're in 1977 and uh the girl's possessed and it like it builds man dude it's so fucking good have you seen this yes oh you loved it right dude i loved it it's great it's so good night with the devil official it i mean i think it just came out a couple months ago i must have just went straight to being streamed but it's fucking good man and that's good casting dude all of it like that the The host is so much like that level talk show host from that time period.

[963] And it's scary.

[964] And it's fucking good.

[965] Yeah.

[966] It's solid.

[967] Highly recommend.

[968] Yeah, it was solid.

[969] It was really solid.

[970] Solid, dude.

[971] And dude, you know what I just saw that, and I was super skeptical about this one.

[972] But it's not bad.

[973] The Pope's Exorcist.

[974] Have you seen that?

[975] Dude, I know, I had the same thinking.

[976] my brother -in -law who's got like really good taste in movies and like he's like it's actually not that bad it's a little cheesy it's fucking good dude really yes it's very good and like but stupid but good you know what i mean like this is the pope's exorcist yeah and i usually don't get into russell crow i don't get into exorcist movies usually why do they all fucking turn their head like that but it what's interesting is this guy the pope has an exorcist And he wrote a bunch of fucking books.

[977] And so it's kind of drawing from like stories of this guy doing exorcisms.

[978] And it's, it's fascinating, man. It's really interesting.

[979] It would be the greatest deception ever if demonic possession was real and we were all mocking it.

[980] And then one day you saw it.

[981] You actually saw it.

[982] You're like, oh, no, it's real.

[983] Dude, I think it is real.

[984] Like, I think we've just come up with new words for it.

[985] But have you ever had this happen?

[986] I'm going to get made fun of this.

[987] Have you ever had this happen?

[988] Like, if you ever been like super high, you're walking down the street, you pass somebody having a psychotic episode, and they start saying what you're thinking.

[989] Have you ever had that happened?

[990] No. I have.

[991] Really?

[992] Yeah.

[993] What were you thinking, though?

[994] I'm hot.

[995] I was in a hundred degrees out I feel crazy I was thinking I do anything I feel crazy I feel crazy I'm hot oh my god he knows he can read my mind I'm too high right now he can read my mind no no it was like no he was like he was like garbling out like shit I think I was thinking about like I mean obviously any of this stuff it's not scientist obviously he's not scientist wait a minute you're not a scientist I am a scientist I am actually, yeah, I am a fucking scientist.

[996] I study rainbows.

[997] I study the power of rainbows to heal animals.

[998] I forget who posted it up, but there's some video of all these college kids talking about, it went viral.

[999] All these college kids talking about what their degree was in and all these woke kids with these ridiculous degrees, like what they studied.

[1000] Yeah, man. Dude, very expensive to get those fucking degrees.

[1001] It is a hilarious video because it's like, how does anybody not see that that is a massive waste of your time?

[1002] Like, what have you done?

[1003] You have been tricked.

[1004] You have been tricked into getting a degree in nonsense?

[1005] Dude.

[1006] And you can write papers in nonsense and books on nonsense.

[1007] But aside from that, you know what you've really been tricked into?

[1008] You've become a fucking vassal of the banks.

[1009] Like you are eternally indebted to the structures that you are opposing.

[1010] It's like, oh, oh, what's your, oh, so you spent, how much again, like $180 ,000 to get to major in, like, communist studies?

[1011] Great.

[1012] You're laid on your payment, motherfucker.

[1013] You got a pay us now.

[1014] Not only that, it's the ultimate mafia group.

[1015] Like, they want your money no matter what, even if Social Security, fuck you pay me. They're the ultimate fuck you pay me, people.

[1016] Fuck you pay me. You can't, apparently, we said about, we talked about this before, but apparently there are certain circumstances under which there's a certain type of bankruptcy that allow you to evade that, but I wonder what that is.

[1017] It's suicide.

[1018] I've dug in two before in the podcast, but I don't understand enough to interrupt.

[1019] Yeah, I remember us talking about it.

[1020] I don't understand it either.

[1021] Dude, this is like, man, we've definitely talked about this before, but rest in peace, David Graber, wrote a great book called Bullshit.

[1022] Jobs.

[1023] Brilliant mind, man. Brilliant mind.

[1024] But he basically talks about how like, so the idea is I'm going to go to college.

[1025] Oh, discharge.

[1026] No problem, man. Discharge in bankruptcy.

[1027] If you declare bankruptcy and then the bankruptcy court determines repaying your loans would cause undue hardship, your loans can be discharged.

[1028] How many times does that happen?

[1029] Zero.

[1030] It's like, yeah, it's legal as long as this judge decides.

[1031] I'm sorry, but repaying your loans, always produces undue fucking hardship.

[1032] It sucks to payback loans.

[1033] It sucks.

[1034] It always sucks.

[1035] I want a fucking nice computer.

[1036] I want a boat.

[1037] I want a swimming boy.

[1038] For example, several types of loans associated with education expenses are dischargeable in bankruptcy like most other types of unsecured consumer debt.

[1039] These types of loans for education expenses are not subject to the more difficult standard and extra step.

[1040] These loans could include, for example, loans were.

[1041] where the loan amount was higher than the cost of the attendance, such as tuition, books, rooms, and board, which can occur when a loan is paid directly to a consumer.

[1042] Loans pay for education.

[1043] So that means they could do it, they could forgive you if the loan amount was higher than the cost of attendance.

[1044] Is that what it's saying?

[1045] Or is it saying it's going to pay you the difference?

[1046] Like you could deduct the difference when you get a bankruptcy.

[1047] I don't know.

[1048] loans to pay for education at places that are not eligible for title for funding include unaccredited colleges a school in a foreign country so so much for your wizard university duncan you can't you're not you can't go bankrupt with your wizard degree you still have to pay it are you fucking getting him up to my neck you have to debt for this shit it says you have to pay it and also it's like it's unaccredited but the rainbow thing it's like something's changed in the atmosphere because it's not healing anymore it's an unaccredited wizard school you know you went cheap and now you're fucked well i'm sorry joe not everybody was born a billionaire like you i wasn't born a billion i know you weren't i'm joking i i don't think that that wizard stuff is good anyway i think it's i think you're you're toying with the devil oh just like that late night show i'm that little bald guy okay that was like uh in the show that's me where i'm like hey you're wrestling was something.

[1049] Can I ask you something?

[1050] Yes.

[1051] Where did the devil come from?

[1052] That's a good question.

[1053] Did God make the devil?

[1054] What a mean trick.

[1055] Imagine.

[1056] Imagine.

[1057] Do you need the devil?

[1058] Do you need?

[1059] Is it symbolic of what we need in this life?

[1060] Like, do we need to see what's happening in Palestine in order to reassess the way we behave as a civilization?

[1061] Do we need crime to get out of hand before we realize that law and order is important and that we really need to like figure out a way to stop crime at its root source was this disenfranchised people do we really need something like maybe that's the only way we learn that's maybe there's like you know like lottery winners they don't do well dude they don't do well because they didn't learn right they just got all this money like wah and then they're doing blow and they're all the fucking rot and it's gone now's gone and now you're mad and everybody's mad at you and you invest in the business with your uncle yeah and everybody's pissed to you so you're asking do we need the devil i wonder if you need a bad and a good i wonder if you need something i wonder if you need to see 200 plus thousand dead people and just have that number in your head and just try to picture what that looks like i wonder if we need that resistance in order to realize yes yes that there's like you don't grow without resistance like this is we're thinking of it as just playing this is life But we're in the middle of a process.

[1062] Yeah.

[1063] We're in the middle of a process.

[1064] Everyone understands this and no one thinks about it.

[1065] Right.

[1066] We are in the middle of this intellectually evolutionary process.

[1067] Yeah.

[1068] And there's something happening.

[1069] That's funny that I said, those two words in such a goofy way.

[1070] Intellectual.

[1071] I liked it.

[1072] But there's a thing going on where we're assuming that civilization is going to be better all the time.

[1073] And we're always going to get better all the time, which is really interesting because no other animal does that.

[1074] There's not another animal alive that says we only killed, you know, 47 zebras this year.

[1075] Next year, we're fucking cranking it up.

[1076] We're going to be better and more efficient.

[1077] Yeah.

[1078] We want to be better at everything.

[1079] We want to be better at our industry.

[1080] We want to be better at fixing our infrastructure.

[1081] We want to be better at housing.

[1082] We want to be better all the time.

[1083] Like, there's this constant push for progress.

[1084] Right.

[1085] And if you just step back and look at where it's going with this, train wreck of AI happening at the same time that's going on it's like oh we were fueling this yeah we were fueling the takeover we were buying iPhones dude I think this is so funny you're mentioning this because honestly it's so embarrassing it's this is so dumb I don't care I'm wearing a robot outfit at the gym yesterday I'm working out and I've started listening to classic gospel music.

[1086] It is so good.

[1087] If you're having a shitty day, it doesn't matter if you're not Christian.

[1088] Just fucking listen to it.

[1089] It's so upbeat.

[1090] And like, it makes you happy and it's kind of magical.

[1091] But like, so I'm at the gym and I'm thinking about Jesus because I've been listening to gospel music.

[1092] And like, I was thinking like, oh, oh, like maybe the idea as far as like the devil goes.

[1093] Because I always wonder that, who made the devil?

[1094] Why did God make the devil?

[1095] Why is there a devil?

[1096] Is there a devil?

[1097] Is it just a fucking symbol for something?

[1098] But I realized like, oh, like, you know that stupid song?

[1099] If you love somebody, set them free.

[1100] Yeah.

[1101] So it's like the idea being, I'm making you.

[1102] You're sentient.

[1103] And I'm setting you free.

[1104] And I'm setting you free in a fucking universe where there are, there's collectivized evil.

[1105] There's some kind of like somatics.

[1106] There's some kind of thing that forms, which will fuck you up.

[1107] And because I love you, I'm going to let you figure it out.

[1108] And then from that perspective, and also if there is some super intelligence and somehow in the universe there's a bifurcation or something that's centered on the self instead of others that has an intelligence to it to really like fucking flex to that thing, you're like, okay, I'm just going to give you.

[1109] you, these things that I love so much.

[1110] And if you win, if you corrupt my creation fully, then you win.

[1111] I was wrong.

[1112] But I don't think you are.

[1113] I don't think it's going to happen.

[1114] Because inevitably, whatever it is, you take a psychedelic.

[1115] For me, whenever I take psychedelics, too many, right away, I start thinking about how selfish I am.

[1116] I start thinking, like, dude, like, it hurts.

[1117] It hurts to be jealous.

[1118] it hurts to not help it hurts to be so cherishing of myself and anytime i'm not doing that i'm so happy yeah so but to to to force that you can't force that on to somebody they have to stumble upon it somehow and there's like that's christianity that they don't get it unless they feel it that's it and so like to let these things that theoretically i'm talking about from christian cosmology that you love more than anything else to fuck it which by the way like in the garden of eden story when god is crying like god says something like where are you to adam and eve and apparently the the original the original translation that crying out is the way of like you know have you ever lost your kid at a playground it's that it's not like where are you slaves it's like you're when you're calling for your kids so yeah it's heavy man and so like so Yeah, I feel like that maybe the whole thing is designed for us individually to stumble upon that basic truth that underneath the shell is love.

[1119] And the love wants to express itself.

[1120] And love doesn't express itself by saying, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me. Love is always like, I love you.

[1121] What can I do for you?

[1122] Let me help you.

[1123] It's like the person swimming into the lake for no reason to get that.

[1124] last person who fucking was in a car accident and they drown you know they get the person to safety they die this is to me i think that's the devil that's why it's there it's it might it might be real i think it's a term of convenience it's great but it's like holy shit man like as an inclination it's real right like whether or not you murder a baby because the devil made you do it or because some other force that is just like the devil that just happens to to be a part of human beings that in violent rages they could do horrific things and then on top of that also intentionally evil just like chimpanzees I mean chimpanzees do it do we think the devil's invading the chimps when they're doing it or do we think that this is some bygone some leftover shit that's in our DNA that can go sideways and allow people to become serial killers or allow people to become assassins I think it's a semantics argument I think it's like It's an identification of a possibility in a human life.

[1125] There is a possibility in a human life to make a series of shitty decisions.

[1126] And those shitty decisions lead you into darker and darker and darker experiences of reality.

[1127] And the darker your experience of reality, the more likely you are to make a shitty decision.

[1128] Because, like, you've gotten yourself into fucking debt.

[1129] You went to wizard school.

[1130] You study fucking rainbow magic.

[1131] It doesn't seem to be real.

[1132] No one's coming to your clinic.

[1133] Now you're like, you know, $800 ,000 in fucking.

[1134] fucking debt.

[1135] And now what are you going to fucking do?

[1136] Like, you've got to veer out a way to make money.

[1137] So how are you going to make the fucking money?

[1138] Well, you find some scam or some shit, right?

[1139] And then the next thing you know, now you're like lying to people.

[1140] And now that you're lying to people, you have to keep fucking lying to people.

[1141] And then you start lying to yourself.

[1142] And then you get lost and a maze of self -deception that leads you into lower and lower and lower levels of consciousness until the next thing you know, you're in fucking jail or you're dead.

[1143] You're killing somebody.

[1144] And so, so like, call it whatever you want to fuck.

[1145] can call it.

[1146] But this entropic reality in human existence is very fucking real.

[1147] And the message of all the great lineages, whether it's Hinduism, Christianity, Buddhism is at any given moment in that hell state you've gotten yourself into, there is a way to get the fuck out.

[1148] You don't have to be in hell.

[1149] It's like what C .S. Lewis says, the gates of hell are locked from the inside.

[1150] There's a fucking way out.

[1151] It's so good, dude.

[1152] It's so good.

[1153] It's so good.

[1154] That's such a good one.

[1155] And that's, you know, that's why I love Jesus.

[1156] That's why I love the message of Christianity.

[1157] Praise God.

[1158] You've heard that song, right?

[1159] Yeah, dude, are you...

[1160] That song is fucking great.

[1161] It shows up on my gospel playlist.

[1162] Isn't it weird that that guy, like, that was it?

[1163] It was like, that was his song.

[1164] It was like this one song that was a banger.

[1165] But you listen to the rest of them, they're like, oh...

[1166] Dude, I know.

[1167] That sucks.

[1168] Oh, God, man. That's the worst.

[1169] There's a few of them.

[1170] those guys that we've found you know Johnny Thunder you know that song I'm alive no bro I play that song for so many fucking people including musicians you know I play it for Zach Bryan he was like ooh like you hear it and people like God damn and it's from 1969 one hit wonder dude I don't even think it was a hit there was another version of it that that his version of I'm alive was a cover of and it was better than the original version and it was so good you like if this guy can make this song somebody needs to to write for him man this guy's a star this guy's got bangers i mean this was a fucking tremendous song and it was just one dude i know it's like that's got that just is like it's got to be so scary man like oh yeah you know when you make a great movie and then you got to make your next movie oh yeah and like it's got to be fucking good like say you make that movie what's it called deus ex machina you know that movie yeah yeah yeah and you're like you're i got to make another movie and then you're like civil war and oh fuck sorry I'm sorry I didn't that is the guy right oh no man I'm sorry Alex Garland like by the way you're brilliant like I get it like the attempt I get it and who knows you never know what happened in the process and like man I feel like now that this is so now I've started doing video and I'm recognizing just like how hard it is just to like get the lighting right for my dumb ass sitting there rambling.

[1171] Like anyone who makes a fucking movie is a genius fucking wizard.

[1172] So I do, and all the people that come together.

[1173] Some of them just don't work out the way they want it.

[1174] They just don't work out.

[1175] They just don't work out.

[1176] That's how it is like pilots for TV shows.

[1177] It's for sketches that people create.

[1178] Yeah.

[1179] You know.

[1180] But like, I just, like, I think doing a video podcast and then critiquing a great director is pretty fucked up, man. I just, I don't meet.

[1181] I just, and a lot of people like the movie but um you try to dig yourself out I just feel bad I feel bad like no I but God damn it was horrible it was horrible it it was so bad that's hilarious it was so bad yeah oh my god it's funny yeah I'm glad I didn't see it no you you're Have you been watching The Gentleman on Netflix?

[1182] No, what's that?

[1183] Oh, dude.

[1184] It's a Guy Ritchie series on Netflix.

[1185] It's fucking amazing.

[1186] What is it?

[1187] It's about these weed growers in the UK.

[1188] Cool.

[1189] I don't want to give away any more of it, but it's basically the movie The Gentleman.

[1190] I don't know if you ever saw the movie, but this is the same world that the movie takes place in just with different characters.

[1191] Cool.

[1192] It's fucking great, man. it's a great show I think it has like six episodes or how many episodes did it have eight there's some good movies coming out right now man it's kind of awesome we went through like a pretty rough cinema drought I don't know do you remember I mean you got to think about how many movies get they get drawn up they get funded COVID hits everything gets shut down everything gets shut down and then everybody loses money no one's going to the movies anymore everything's fucked yeah so you have to wait for forever before things get back on track Things start getting profitable again, and then they start making Dune 2.

[1193] Oh, God, that was so fucking good.

[1194] I haven't seen it, but it's awesome.

[1195] They start making movies like that.

[1196] They start making banger movies again.

[1197] Dude, Dune 2 is so fucking good.

[1198] I watched it with Asan, and dude, I was like, you know that, like, you get bliss, and movies are so good, and you're the right amount of stoned.

[1199] And, like, you realize, like, oh, my God, it's only been 30 fucking minutes, and this is already the most insanely beautiful thing I've ever seen in my fucking life, the soundtrack.

[1200] When you look up how they made the soundtrack for that movie, it is insane, man. Everything about it is like, they had throat singing in it.

[1201] They've got like that...

[1202] It's so cool, dude.

[1203] Did you read the books?

[1204] No. The books are so good.

[1205] The first one, honestly, the second one I struggle with, but the first one is...

[1206] Wait a minute.

[1207] What book?

[1208] Dune.

[1209] no i didn't read that frank herbert it's one of the best sci -fi books i think i read i think i read one of those um did they they make them into like comic books like really nice comic books probably did they but you you can't i never got into the first one the first movie so when the second one came around i was like oh dude you keep hearing it's amazing second one's better than the first and the first was great if you're like a dune nerd which i am but like you're a dune oh i'm a dune nerd i've been reading that book since...

[1210] Oh, interesting.

[1211] Dude, the spice melange.

[1212] And like, but the way he's...

[1213] First of all, Frank Herbert was a psychologist.

[1214] The guy I wrote Dune.

[1215] Did you know that?

[1216] He's like a really respect...

[1217] Stamitz talks about it.

[1218] Like, I...

[1219] Yeah.

[1220] Whoa.

[1221] Duncan.

[1222] This is what are going to happen when Trump wins.

[1223] Robert De Niro is right.

[1224] Robert De Niro is right.

[1225] It's right, Duncan.

[1226] Do you want to line up and lose all your rights?

[1227] And he never leaves the White House.

[1228] And you have throat singing on the Capitol Hill steps.

[1229] It's so funny.

[1230] I was like, dude, that sounds awesome.

[1231] Make America.

[1232] Everybody sneaks and gets a gun.

[1233] Grings is in the morning.

[1234] Sneaking, we'll give you money.

[1235] Sneaking, sneak in, vote for us.

[1236] Dude, yeah.

[1237] Yeah, so, like, the, the, there's all these theories about Dune, but the blue eyes, so you eat this spice melange that, like, that you need it for space travel.

[1238] It's only produced on, you know the story, but like, the blue eyes.

[1239] So there's a theory, because he was, Frank Herbert was a psychologist.

[1240] The blue eyes represent psilocybin.

[1241] And, like, that was his melange, like, psilocybin.

[1242] And, like, yeah, dude.

[1243] And he, apparently, I think it's Sam Fran, he was living on a boat next to Alan Watts.

[1244] Oh, what a coincidence.

[1245] They were fucking friends.

[1246] So a lot of the, like, you remember the gumjabar, the needle that that witch puts to Paul Trady's neck to say, like, they want to find out if you're human.

[1247] So you put your hand in this box that if you pull your fucking hand out of the box, she stabs you with this needle, it kills you.

[1248] because you're not human who gives a fuck and so gom jibar gom is in Tibetan Buddhism is the name for meditation so there's all these like clearly it was pals of Alan watts and he like like weaves a lot of like the lot of the language in it is like the the daughter in the womb I think her name's alia which is like a Buddhist term for like the emptiness for a state of pure consciousness and so it's a deep book is my point and you you would love it and it inspired stories Wars, right?

[1249] Didn't we just talk about this?

[1250] We did, right?

[1251] Duncan might know more about that, but it was that they came from the same thing, I think.

[1252] What do you mean?

[1253] Dune and Star Wars came from the same place.

[1254] Like they both were inspired by the same thing?

[1255] I asked that question out loud.

[1256] I thought...

[1257] I thought we talked about it the other day.

[1258] Did we not talk about it on the podcast?

[1259] Okay, we did, right?

[1260] But I think it was...

[1261] Dune came before Star Wars.

[1262] And then Star Wars was written by different people.

[1263] I don't know.

[1264] I think Dune predates Star Wars for sure.

[1265] Yeah, Dune pre -Dade Star Wars.

[1266] We talked about it the other day.

[1267] What is the whole story, though?

[1268] What were you trying to say?

[1269] I didn't understand what you're saying.

[1270] That they both, I had asked that out loud.

[1271] I said, isn't Dune just Star Wars is a Dune rip -off?

[1272] And then I dug into it, and it says that they both, or, sorry, both creators took similarities and inspiration from the same original source.

[1273] I think it's, but what's the original source?

[1274] I'm trying to read as I'm talking.

[1275] Oh, oh.

[1276] So there's something else.

[1277] There was an original story like that?

[1278] I'm sorry.

[1279] It's like a short story.

[1280] Dune is influenced probably.

[1281] It's like the greatest sci -fi book, if you ask me, and it's influenced all sci -fi.

[1282] It's so fucking good, dude.

[1283] And did you see David Lynch's Dune?

[1284] No. Oh, man. You got to watch.

[1285] Sting is in David Lynch's Dune.

[1286] But I did see it.

[1287] That was the original one, right?

[1288] The Lynch one was the original one.

[1289] Yeah.

[1290] I didn't get into it.

[1291] No. Well, it was massively criticized because, like, there have been attempts to do Dune.

[1292] This famous guy, Jodorowski, there's a whole documentary on his idea for Dune.

[1293] David Lynch takes on the project.

[1294] And where the Dune we have now succeeds, where he failed, is they broke the book into two movies.

[1295] Every sci -fi property you love is based on foundation.

[1296] Interesting.

[1297] Isaac Asimov's Foundation series is widely understood to be the inspiration for Star Wars, Dune, and even the Hitchhiker's Guide of the Galaxy.

[1298] Huh.

[1299] Wow.

[1300] You know, one of the things about the new dune is the people look grimy.

[1301] Right.

[1302] They look like they're really in that world.

[1303] There was a thing about those old dunes that I couldn't get into because everybody looked too clean.

[1304] Everybody looked like they just stepped right out of wardrobe.

[1305] I just didn't, you know what I'm saying?

[1306] Like you see that when the guy's throat singing and those people, they're walking down and putting, everybody's dirty.

[1307] Yeah, it's cool.

[1308] They're grimy.

[1309] That's a, you're living a crazy, fucked up, hard -ass life.

[1310] Yeah, yeah, and like in the book, like what they, even in the newest one, I don't think they convey, like he writes about the smell in those seaches in the underground, like, in the caves that the freemen are living in.

[1311] He talks about the smell of the B .O. and they're like just all of these people living underground and the stink of that.

[1312] But, dude, did you see that video of David Lynch eating this girl's panties?

[1313] Um, what?

[1314] No. For real?

[1315] Yeah, yeah.

[1316] How's he doing that?

[1317] Jamie?

[1318] Do you want one of these?

[1319] You want a Lucy?

[1320] Yeah, let me spit this thing out.

[1321] Renegade rogue.

[1322] Thank you.

[1323] Hey, do you know the Zen Spiracy?

[1324] Do you know about this?

[1325] We're all being accused of secretly being sponsored by Zen?

[1326] Yeah.

[1327] It's the funniest shit.

[1328] Okay, watch this.

[1329] This is crazy.

[1330] Okay.

[1331] This is being dedicated to Deb.

[1332] Is that real?

[1333] That's real?

[1334] Is that not real?

[1335] That's AI, bro.

[1336] God damn it.

[1337] I don't know, ma 'am.

[1338] Looking forward to this.

[1339] I don't know who the voice is.

[1340] When was it posted?

[1341] Yeah, no, look, because this is just stood up.

[1342] I did see multiple videos or versions of the video, too.

[1343] It just looked like his mouth was moving weird.

[1344] I mean, I hope it's real.

[1345] Thank you very much.

[1346] They're still warm.

[1347] Okay.

[1348] Now, they're very warm, as a matter of fact, cinnamon.

[1349] Okay.

[1350] Okay, and now the deal is I'm going to put these panties in my mouth and pronounce WM's full user name.

[1351] Are you ready?

[1352] He's a genius.

[1353] What the fuck, dude?

[1354] I love him.

[1355] Okay, that's probably one of them frequencies that called the devil.

[1356] Like that sound, that's probably what the devil responds to.

[1357] If you have a mouthful of panties, you try to read anything, the devil's like, I got you.

[1358] that's a song of god there's a sound that you make like a sound you make with a mouth full of panties I just imagine have just demons just summon and they're like we were waiting for you to open the portal like you have to make that sound like the only way to make that sound is to be such a depraved fuck do you have someone's panty stuffed in your mouth may I stop you there I don't think it's depraved to shove a beautiful woman's panties even but the devil thinks that it is and God thinks it is so if they agree Like, this is an opportunity to go after him.

[1359] Look, this guy's out there eating people's underwear.

[1360] Let me tell you.

[1361] He's not going to solve the world's problems.

[1362] He's so crazy, he's eating underwear.

[1363] Why does everybody want to solve the world's problems?

[1364] Let's shove pants.

[1365] We're all in this together, Duncan.

[1366] I want to eat panties.

[1367] We are on the production line for AI, and you're not doing your part.

[1368] Dude, I...

[1369] Listen, if there is a Satan, he doesn't want us to put panties in our mouth.

[1370] That's what the devil would really be.

[1371] The devil would really be anti -panties in mouth and, like, be like, don't ever...

[1372] He would want you on Adderall, and he'd want you working 24 hours a day.

[1373] Exactly.

[1374] Yeah.

[1375] Exactly.

[1376] The devil doesn't want us.

[1377] The devil hates David Lynch.

[1378] If there is a devil, he doesn't like David Lynch.

[1379] Right, because he's having fun.

[1380] Stuff and warm panties in his mouth.

[1381] Yeah.

[1382] What happened in 2002 or three?

[1383] Back when it was legal.

[1384] What if that was illegal?

[1385] What if we fucking developed laws for panty eating?

[1386] Like, enough.

[1387] We've summoned too many demons.

[1388] People just realize that all you have to do is fucking hold hands with mouthfuls of panties.

[1389] And if the two of you were talking at the same time, you could some are a super demon.

[1390] Dude, like, it is kind of, I mean, like, that's a, that was a, that wasn't like a dainty panty.

[1391] Like, no, he stuffed a real panty in there.

[1392] That wasn't a G -string.

[1393] That was a huge blast.

[1394] It had a back, a little bit of a back to it.

[1395] Like, and then to still be able to talk.

[1396] Oh, yeah, what a genius.

[1397] He's so good.

[1398] He's so good.

[1399] Really good at talking.

[1400] Dude, I'm.

[1401] He's the best The portal's open Twin Peaks was great Creatures hiding in your closet David Thank you for bringing me Thank you dear I have an idea for your next film What are you talking about?

[1402] The sound you make with a mouthful of panties Dude Yeah well I mean Look This is the thing Like David Lynch is one of the great artists alive today.

[1403] And this thing where we expect artists to behave like normal people...

[1404] Yeah, I don't expect that at all.

[1405] It's fucking...

[1406] Not you, but you read the comments and people are like...

[1407] Oh, they're so mad at them, I'm sure.

[1408] I don't have to read it.

[1409] But it just it's just like, that's just what it is.

[1410] And it's also not representative, I think, of actual, a real number of actual people.

[1411] The problem is it's like what I taught...

[1412] Whenever you do a survey, people say, oh, the surveys, there's like, no. You don't get a real percentage.

[1413] I don't give a fuck what your study says.

[1414] You only get 100 % of the people that are on your survey are so fucking dumb that they reply to surveys.

[1415] Yes.

[1416] This is not everybody.

[1417] It's not even close.

[1418] It's just like comments.

[1419] Who the fuck leaves comments?

[1420] How do you have time?

[1421] I think about that all the time.

[1422] Unless you're like, good job.

[1423] Congratulations.

[1424] Being nice.

[1425] Who has time?

[1426] Yeah.

[1427] If you do, there's no chance you're devoting the proper amount of time to things in your life that you should do.

[1428] Right.

[1429] So it's this massive distraction and you get these arguments online that distract you from the failures in your real life.

[1430] But that is representative in a lot of people's minds to how people think about whatever this person posted or whether this political argument that people are having about things.

[1431] But that's not real and then you've got the algorithm manipulation we were talking about, which even more crazy.

[1432] Now, not only do you have the most complainy fucking people complaining, but you have the algorithm showing things that's going to piss you off, like, look at this fucking and the phone's going to know that you took a screenshot of the comment, and you sent it to me, and I'm like, wow, what a dick, and I'll send it to other people.

[1433] I'll send people a link.

[1434] Look at this moron.

[1435] He's talking to people in the comments.

[1436] That's it.

[1437] That's what happens.

[1438] Yep, and that's a storm.

[1439] That's like a, that's a neurological hurricane sweeping through brains around the planet.

[1440] Amygdala's fucking squirting fucking cortisol hangar teams fucking getting ready to do battle for fucking what yeah dude for what what what are you arguing about so this is I've heard I don't know if you've heard about this like there's some the kids now I'm 50 so I could say that for sure now the kids the kids now apparently there's a whole new thing where they're just they're putting their phones down there's this whole thing where they're just like fuck this my friend was really yes that's what I heard that like um you're dealing with a lot of weird kids though well I'm not dealing with any kids Like my friend You deal with hippies They got fucking straw hats on They're in the woods barefoot Yeah well but I I do like tied mushroom shirts on If you think about it Like what do kids tend to do Like what I did rebel Rebell And so like you're like God help you Let's imagine you're raised by like an influencer mom God help you So your whole childhood has been on camera And if it's not on camera You're looking at your fucking mom Staring at the comments of the video she posted a view opening Christmas presents or you're just a standard kid and your childhood is constantly interrupted by your parents staring at their fucking phones so you get old enough you're not going to associate phones necessarily with good feelings and then you're like you know what fuck these things this made my parents fucking distant it made my parents upset and they're just like fuck this which means there's by the way that's scary if you want to monitor populations wow right now we're all in fucking orwell like some crazy version of 1984 way more sinister than the camera in your house it's like you're carrying it around but suddenly these like formerly monitored populations they just go dark because like kids are just like i'm not going to do this they're meeting in parks god help us all.

[1441] They're meeting in parks and they're saying things that are untraceable.

[1442] No one knows what they're talking about.

[1443] And so now you've got these.

[1444] Yeah.

[1445] I like to believe you're correct.

[1446] This sounds like a movie.

[1447] Phoneless.

[1448] 72 % of U .S. teens say they often and sometimes feel peaceful when they don't have their smartphone.

[1449] 44 % say it makes them feel anxious.

[1450] Good for hobbies, less so for socialization.

[1451] Sixty -nine percent of teens say smartphones make it easier for you, to pursue hobbies and interest.

[1452] True, right?

[1453] That's a good aspect of it.

[1454] A few or 30 % say it helps people their age learn good social skills.

[1455] That's true.

[1456] It doesn't do that, right?

[1457] Parental snooping, that's a problem.

[1458] Half of parents said they've looked through their teens' phone.

[1459] You're going to find a lot of dicks.

[1460] The other half are liars.

[1461] About four in ten parents and teens regularly arguing with one other about time spent on their phone.

[1462] Nearly half of teens, 46 % say their parent is at least sometimes distracted by their phone when they're trying to talk to them.

[1463] At what age do you think fellas start sending dick pics?

[1464] Do you think they wait until it's legal?

[1465] Would you?

[1466] I don't think they do.

[1467] So here's a thing.

[1468] Like, you know, there was a girl that was charged with, she was charged with child pornography.

[1469] I think she was 15 because she was sending naked photos of her body to other boys.

[1470] so like she was the pornography and the pornographer right that's so fucked up find that story see if you can find that story because it was it was like a national outrage story because everybody's like hey hey hey man she's fucking 15 she's not a child porn producer like this is a bastardization of the law like this is just a girl's being silly that's insane she's getting a little wild that is that's terrifying she might have been talked into it like who the fuck knows like what is go to jail?

[1471] I don't know what the story was.

[1472] Here's the story of a 17 year old boy who was charged.

[1473] No, no, no, it was a girl.

[1474] They dropped the charges in this case.

[1475] Oh, okay, but find the one on the 15 -year -old girl, because I'm trying to remember what the thing is...

[1476] It's not the easiest thing to dig through looking for child porn.

[1477] No, no, no, no, no, no, 15 -year -old girl convicted for child porn.

[1478] Can you say that?

[1479] Are you just scared to type it?

[1480] You got to be careful what the words you look for when you type of child porn.

[1481] I'll Google it, you pussy.

[1482] Google's already, like, they're taking everything you...

[1483] I typed in, look, this is why I typed in, and I'm just showing you what popped up.

[1484] Kid charged with child porn.

[1485] How about...

[1486] 16 -year -old male?

[1487] I understand.

[1488] How about Google 15 -year -old girl charged with child porn?

[1489] Girl.

[1490] Teen girl charged with child porn.

[1491] There it is.

[1492] That's it.

[1493] That's the girl.

[1494] There's another one?

[1495] There's more than one?

[1496] Yeah, there was different cases.

[1497] Oh, revenge porn.

[1498] Oh, wait a minute.

[1499] This is different.

[1500] This is a 15 -year -old girl was accused of requesting and sending nude photos to classmates under the identity of her ex -boyfriend.

[1501] Oh, is facing multiple child porn charges.

[1502] What a demon.

[1503] She was sending them to classmates under the identity of her ex -boyfriend.

[1504] Wow.

[1505] How was she doing that?

[1506] Fucking.

[1507] So she was pretending that she was him and she was sending naked photos of herself to try to charge him for it.

[1508] Oh, she was trying to nail him.

[1509] Dude, she's a monster.

[1510] Oh, look at this.

[1511] She told police that she created a fake social account for revenge for the relationship ending with her export.

[1512] What a psycho.

[1513] She also admitted she was jealous that her export had been chosen to perform a solo in state finals for band.

[1514] What a!

[1515] She was the crazy bitch for band camp.

[1516] Monster!

[1517] Remember that movie?

[1518] One time of Bandcamp?

[1519] Yes!

[1520] Wow!

[1521] What a psychopath.

[1522] She's only been on the planet 15 years, and she's reached peak evil.

[1523] That is so crazy.

[1524] Imagine trying to set your boyfriend up with child porn.

[1525] Oh, God damn it, dude.

[1526] That is, God damn it.

[1527] Was it like Dr. Phil Kay, the same thing.

[1528] I don't know what the story is here.

[1529] Is that the same gal?

[1530] No, probably not, because they're talking to her.

[1531] Look at that.

[1532] She's got to cover her horns with fucking hair.

[1533] Yeah.

[1534] Hair.

[1535] Wow.

[1536] I think she was in late night with the devil.

[1537] Wow.

[1538] That's so crazy that someone could be that evil at that age.

[1539] Yeah.

[1540] It's such a crazy.

[1541] But then again, you ever see that movie, City of God?

[1542] It's the gang movie from Brazil.

[1543] Oh, yeah.

[1544] From the favelas.

[1545] Who.

[1546] I say it's like one of the wildest gang movies I've ever seen in my life.

[1547] It's probably the wildest.

[1548] Yeah.

[1549] Now, that's based on real life in the favelas in some places.

[1550] So that's a real, that's people really living that way.

[1551] Like, you got to imagine that's just, you just become a sociopath at a very early age.

[1552] People are a psychopath at a very early age.

[1553] It's the only way to stay alive.

[1554] Yep.

[1555] And then, what did this lady go through?

[1556] Or she's so conniving.

[1557] She's going to set up fake social media accounts.

[1558] Yeah.

[1559] And then get her boyfriend accused of child porn.

[1560] Yeah.

[1561] What?

[1562] Yeah.

[1563] how distanced are you from like the fact that devious very fucking devious dude if you read the painted bird no don't i mean it's so good but it's the most like it's like it doesn't matter if you do spoilers for old books but like one of the scenes this it's about a kid wandering like i think it's world war two he's lost his parents and he's got it like he's just wandering through the countryside and seeing just the most horrific shit you've ever seen in surviving but like he watches these villagers take a woman and shove a bottle into her pussy and then stomp on her pussy to break the bottle inside of her yeah dude it's it's it's it's not even the worst thing in the book but but so so this innocent kid just is is witnessing all of it and it's talking about what you're talking You know, it's like basically analyzed, it's sort of like showing like, where does evil come from?

[1564] You know, are people born evil?

[1565] Well, statistically, some people are born sociopaths.

[1566] We know that, but it's a relatively small part of the population.

[1567] But where does it come from?

[1568] And inevitably, it comes from trauma that a kid is enduring.

[1569] And then you have to survive, just like you're saying, we're programmed to fuck.

[1570] And it's self -peratuating.

[1571] It's going to continue because they're all going to see people murdered.

[1572] It's like people living in gang -infested neighborhoods in America, same thing.

[1573] If you're seeing it happen all the time and it's affecting all those families, it's going to just keep right.

[1574] The kids are going to go into it.

[1575] They see the drug dealer rolls by in the nice car.

[1576] Everybody else is a sucker for getting on the train.

[1577] And then everybody's in.

[1578] And then the next thing you know, you're dead.

[1579] And then it just keeps going.

[1580] And you have kids that are raised without you.

[1581] And then you're, it's like, who.

[1582] And then what do you do?

[1583] So then what happens, the reaction to the contagion is you, you, you, you, you you other that person so so now you see like the person in full bloom of evil and you look at that person like that's a fucking monster but you can't go back and look at like their childhood because if you start going back and looking at their childhood you're like Jesus Christ they're a victim they're right but you can't think about that right to fully like monsterify somebody you got to fucking forget how they became the monster and then and then this is where you end up with a very non -n nuanced system of dealing with the contagion, which will produce more contagion.

[1584] Like, this just spreads the fucking evil all over the fucking place.

[1585] And I agree with you, man. Like, I don't know the solution.

[1586] But I know, but, but in like, you know, this is where imaginary numbers came up with, you know, and math.

[1587] It's like, you don't need to know the solution.

[1588] Put an X there.

[1589] It's like, clearly this is a fucking problem.

[1590] We've got this people who like are horrifically.

[1591] traumatized and then from they've made shitty decisions where they've got to commit to being some violent monstrous thieving piece of shit and rationalize it and justify it but but this is if we could fix this problem and i don't think the way we fix the fucking problem is dropping bombs on people you're not fixing the problem like if the answer to evil is more evil what the fuck it's like a never -ending it's like scratching poison ivy it's not going to go away right and it actually makes more like yeah this is the thing that people are talking about this the israel hamas thing like how many you know who is it that told us about this the math the way um killing like terrorist math goes was it dave smith probably dave smith sounds like some dave smith would talk about but essentially like if one terrorist dies it doesn't equal you don't like lose a terrorist you gain 10 because all the people that he's connected to they all become radicalized they all want you kill their friend you killed their family member you kill their son they all so you you gain more terrorist dude it's it it's the worst fucking problem ever man because like you know like i I, whenever some, like, no matter how horrific the monster is, or how, like, whatever it is, I try to, like, not be afraid to put myself in the position of whatever the fucking thing is.

[1592] And in this case, we've got two sides that right now seem to be being equally vilified by different groups of people, right?

[1593] But, man, dude, let me tell you something.

[1594] If my fucking kid got blown up by a fucking bomb, right?

[1595] that's it my logic's out the window i would like to think that i'd really listen to all the ramdas retreats and stuff and i'd like to think that i would be like gondy or have some blossom of love and be like i forgive everyone i'm afraid that's not going to happen i'm going to want to hurt and then if my fucking kid got dragged into a fucking tunnel are you fucking kidding me man i'm not going to see clearly like i'm going to want revenge and i want my kid back and whatever you do to get my fucking kid back okay like have you seen the last of us like so so what we so am this fucking like othering of whatever the fucking side is is leaving out like what it feels like to love your kid and like look at a mother like it's throughout the animal kingdom don't fuck with a creature's kid like i'm sorry it will get you fucked up even if the thing's smaller than you you you you and you fuck with its kid it will like put itself in front of its kid so like we are looking at a problem of love sadly which is like on both sides people love their fucking kids and have been like i can't imagine how a day goes by when you're fucking kids in a tunnel i can't imagine how a day goes off in a fucking explosion in a building.

[1596] I don't know how you live one day like that, right?

[1597] So, like, when you look at that, the entirety of the thing is heartbreaking and irrational.

[1598] Both sides are, it's pure, it's completely irrational because both sides are trying to put out a fire with more fire.

[1599] And it's like, that's what it is.

[1600] Dude.

[1601] That's what it is what you just said.

[1602] Yeah, man. That's what it is.

[1603] Yeah.

[1604] Put out a fire with more fire.

[1605] And it, we've tried it.

[1606] a million times throughout human history to put out the fire with fucking fire.

[1607] And at the very best, the fire will temporarily abate, but then it springs right the fuck back up.

[1608] And so, and again, like, to me, like, I don't know the solution.

[1609] And like, and that's the X. It's like all, but maybe the path to the solution is like let yourself feel it entirely for both, for the whole fucking thing.

[1610] feel the whole thing, you know, and like, and don't like, you know, and again, if you're like, these motherfuckers, fuck them, fuck them, more fire.

[1611] Your fuck them is the same thing causing the wars, right?

[1612] Well, it's a problem when human beings don't know human beings and they're the enemy.

[1613] That doesn't make any sense, regardless of how you think about religion and land.

[1614] Just stop for a second.

[1615] human beings that don't know other human beings and hate them so much they want to kill them like seems that's a communication issue that seems like some tower of babbleshit like this is the only way it makes sense if we really get to a point and I don't think it's going to be far from now where we're all connected with real time translation in real time somehow or another I mean they've already been able to do it with Google you know they're already doing it with Samsung phones where they can translate conversations you can be talking in Italian I can be talking in English.

[1616] It'll translate back and forth to both of us.

[1617] It's wild what they're already able to do.

[1618] If we can get to some sort of...

[1619] I mean, it's not out of the question that if they do develop these neural implants and there's not just neural ink, there's several competing companies are trying to do the same thing because they recognize that once you can actually affect the human mind with electronics and you can develop this symbiotic relationship with electronics, you can do some wild shit.

[1620] And one of the things is you're going to be able to talk without words.

[1621] You're going to be able to communicate.

[1622] Well, if you're talking without words, what language is that in?

[1623] Are you hearing that in a language or are you understanding what the person's thinking?

[1624] So this is the difference.

[1625] If you're talking without words, what the problem is how are we going to be able to translate all these different languages and dialects?

[1626] We're not.

[1627] We're going to go on thoughts.

[1628] We're going to ditch language.

[1629] And we're going to go straight to thoughts.

[1630] And we're going to interface with each other in a completely different way.

[1631] So instead of thinking, you're reading people's minds, hey Duncan, would you like to go get pizza?

[1632] Yeah, dude, are you reading my mind?

[1633] No, instead of that, it's like, I think your thoughts, you think my thoughts, we think together.

[1634] Yeah.

[1635] So we abandon language.

[1636] Yeah.

[1637] There's no more need for that.

[1638] That's it.

[1639] You have AI that deals with mathematical problems and structures and construction of things.

[1640] And then we just live in a world of thoughts with no language.

[1641] We're one thing now.

[1642] And then we're fucked because then you can't go back.

[1643] You go back, you feel like you're just like walking when you just got out of a car.

[1644] What the fuck, dude?

[1645] I just drove.

[1646] It took me two hours to get to Vegas in this car.

[1647] If I walk, it's going to take years.

[1648] Dude.

[1649] I might die.

[1650] This is why I think world peace is possible because if you fucking look at what's happening, the system, it's like the framework is being built for just what you're talking about.

[1651] The technological framework for a state, to get into that state, you either need to do a lot of psychedelics or a lot of meditation to really, realize like you're me I'm you yeah but the technological framework is forming for this thing to happen which which is why man like everyone fucking i'm going to seem like a musk fanboy and a teslas suit everyone bashing fucking musk it's like dude do you understand like what he's what that in the future when people look back on that shit even if it doesn't work even if the things are coming unplugged whatever the fucking thing is if that leads to what you're talking about god that's electricity that's like the end of war that's the end of like the the the the ideological barrier like if imagine like whoever you hate the most in the fucking world boop put the thing on you connect to them this is a real goes away and you've just realized Jesus fucking Christ I see why they fucking hate me and they're like oh my God I get why you're mad at me I didn't mean it like that at all and then but how about you just completely abandon everything and it just consciousness interacting with other consciousness which makes hate impossible yeah because there's no more annoying language there's no more people that are incapable of communicating their thoughts there's none of that stuff there's all that gone all that gone which is like that's the problem of being like a communication bully like if you're a person and you know that you have a vastly superior if you if you have a vocabulary like an eric weinstein like for instance imagine if eric Weinstein decided to bully someone, you know, like fucking Red Band, you know, who's a brilliant guy, but, you know, sometimes he, like, stumbles on his words, like, if fucking Eric Weinstein's yelling at him with a bunch of long words, you go, hey, that guy's being an intellectual bully, right?

[1652] You're not trying to communicate with him as a human being.

[1653] You're trying to dominate him with your superior vocabulary.

[1654] And it's a weapon.

[1655] You can, you can, you know, my vocabulary is like B plus.

[1656] It's not that good.

[1657] It's pretty good.

[1658] But for a guy who talks for a living, it probably should be better.

[1659] Because sometimes I get to words, and I'm like, that's the right word.

[1660] But I always say it.

[1661] I'm not sure if that's the right word.

[1662] But the point is that, like, it is a tool that you can wield for the benefit of your ego rather than just having a conversation.

[1663] And those are the grossest conversations.

[1664] When someone's just jizzing on you, well, I started a business, I sold it at $2 billion, and no, like, bro, I got to go.

[1665] You know, those kind of people?

[1666] Absolutely.

[1667] That's what that is.

[1668] That's their abusing communication in order to just, but if we get to a point where there's, that never happens ever again, because instantly, we just think thoughts.

[1669] That's it.

[1670] And you realize, like, wine people's thoughts were all fucked up, like, oh, my God, the chemicals in your brain, the cortisol, what did your uncle do?

[1671] What did your fucking neighbor do?

[1672] What happened to you that got you so crazy?

[1673] When did you get dad get out of jail?

[1674] What did he do before he went to jail?

[1675] Like, oh, my God.

[1676] So many people, dude.

[1677] If that happened by some unknown fucking thing, like that's what the aliens did.

[1678] That would be it.

[1679] That would be it would be like two days of crying.

[1680] Yeah.

[1681] Or hugging.

[1682] Both.

[1683] The whole planet would just be like, oh, fuck.

[1684] The thing is, man, the really fucked up thing is that's possible.

[1685] You know, I've had moments where dudes where I hated them and they hated me. And then we got together and we talked and we hugged.

[1686] And those are beautiful moments.

[1687] And that's why I refuse to have feuds now as an older man who understands things.

[1688] Like, I don't care.

[1689] Like, I don't care.

[1690] You can not like me. That's fine.

[1691] That's okay.

[1692] I'm not going to attack you.

[1693] I don't care.

[1694] I'm not going to do it publicly.

[1695] I mean, I attack CNN.

[1696] But I felt like that was like a bigger thing.

[1697] That was like, this is a real problem.

[1698] Like, this is not just my ego and which, you know, if they just attacked me and said, I suck, Okay, you say I suck.

[1699] You're lying about medicine.

[1700] Like, you're lying about medicine for the whole world.

[1701] Right.

[1702] So that I made a big deal out of those fuckers.

[1703] Yes.

[1704] But normally, I'm like, there's the benefit of conflict in that regard.

[1705] It's like almost zero benefit.

[1706] All of my conflict, I try to keep internal.

[1707] I don't want to have any conflict with external people.

[1708] I want to have all my conflict with my own head.

[1709] I want to have all my conflict with discipline, all my conflict with being nice to people.

[1710] and like trying to be a better person all the time and trying to be wiser about my choices with how I describe things and talk about things and think of things and how I interface with ideas.

[1711] I just try to be better at it.

[1712] So I don't have any time.

[1713] Dude.

[1714] Probably petty bullshit.

[1715] There's just too many petty people out there.

[1716] They're petty.

[1717] They're petty and they usually petty because they're all fucked up.

[1718] That's right.

[1719] It's not going their way like that criticism thing.

[1720] Dude, it's and also they I think I've yapped about this.

[1721] You know Lojong mind training, heard of that?

[1722] I have, but I don't remember what it means.

[1723] It's just like a, it's like slogans.

[1724] It's all these slogans to like sort of get you back on the path.

[1725] And like one of my favorite Lozong slogans is drive all blames into oneself.

[1726] So it defuses the so like it completely like removes the ability, like it's your fault because it's like actually whatever the fuck they did, it's kind of your fault.

[1727] A vampire only goes with their invited you brought this person into your fucking life and they're behaving the way that your instincts told you they might behave and now you're mad at them for being the fucking way they are drive all blames into oneself so like anytime i'm getting like mad and butt hurt over this person or that person or this thing or that if i really analyze the situation i chose it i chose to bring that person into my life i chose to connect to that person in some way or another this is all me and i'm choosing to fucking react in a negative way.

[1728] Yeah.

[1729] So, yeah, man, this is like...

[1730] Yeah, you choose everything.

[1731] But you don't choose, like, random acts of violence and random catastrophes and random things that happen to you.

[1732] But you do in some way...

[1733] But you don't even choose, like, getting attached to a sociopath.

[1734] Because if you're naive, you can get roped in.

[1735] So there's problems with thinking like this.

[1736] Because you do have, like, really manipulative people, particular like you know con people con artists get you to sign over your fucking i'm do this business deal she's just like all i need is two thousand dollars i'll have you a quarter million dollars in a month great where do i say it's really easy it's really easy i love it this is i've been doing this for a while i'm really good at it but this like this one we're kind of like overdrawn and if you just do this for me i'm going to take care of you in the most extreme way do you mean it yes yes i am a man of my work and the next thing you know you're signing off your bank account and you don't you this guy this sweet talking guy who's been in and out of jail and you just thought he was this cool guy you've been at a bar he's a con artist and he does this to people yeah but this doesn't mean idiot compassion this is not about letting someone fucking like walk all over it's not even an idiot thing sometimes it's like people get scared at people that are really confident and talk really well and they're just a little socially awkward yep and they feel like it would be easier just to sign off and trust him than it would be to argue with him because he's so persistent and you are so averse to conflict that when someone's like like being like really aggressive have you ever seen some someone to be really aggressive to try to get you invest in something yes it's the grossest feeling it's so fucked up you're like I gotta go I gotta go I hate it I don't make movies yeah dude I'm not making a movie it's so gross it's so gross and you can sense it I don't know you how am I starting a business with someone I don't know that sounds crazy but everything in you it feels I got to go.

[1737] You're just like, this is bad.

[1738] But, you know, this is the thing.

[1739] That's probably how girls feel at a bar.

[1740] Dude.

[1741] That time's 100, right?

[1742] Like, the feeling of a guy wanting to start a business with you.

[1743] This guy was to start a family with you.

[1744] He wants to knock you up.

[1745] He wants you to carry his seed.

[1746] You ever been hit on by a dude at a bar?

[1747] Yes.

[1748] Doesn't feel good.

[1749] No. I had a dude to rub his hard dick into my leg.

[1750] Nice.

[1751] Did you think about it at all?

[1752] Like.

[1753] Fucking him?

[1754] No, about why he would find you attractive?

[1755] Like, this is interesting.

[1756] Like, why me?

[1757] First of all, I liked that aspect of it.

[1758] Did you ever think, like, if you weren't you, you would think you were gay?

[1759] Like, if you saw you...

[1760] I think I'm gay all the time.

[1761] Like, if you just saw you at a bar, if you weren't you, and you saw you, and you heard you talk, you'd be like, oh, that guy's fucking fruity.

[1762] Dude.

[1763] He's zest.

[1764] They call it zesty.

[1765] That's what the...

[1766] Isn't that the new thing?

[1767] Zesty?

[1768] Zesty.

[1769] Don't they call people...

[1770] Zest Monsters?

[1771] I've been watching a lot of TikToks.

[1772] Not really TikToks.

[1773] Reals.

[1774] I don't have the TikTok.

[1775] I prefer my spyway to be American spyware.

[1776] Dude, I got real confused watching the new interview with a vampire, man. Is it good?

[1777] It's good, but LaStat, the fucking French vampire in it, dude.

[1778] I'm like, I think I let him fucking suck more than my blood.

[1779] Really?

[1780] Dude, we got what Tom Cruise was the original one.

[1781] So pretty.

[1782] Got nothing on Laestat.

[1783] Nothing on the new.

[1784] Oh, dude, please.

[1785] Are you an interview with the vampire nerd as well?

[1786] Yes, I am.

[1787] Anne Rice, she was one of the ones that I wished I got to interview before she died.

[1788] I would love to talk to her.

[1789] Oh, man, yeah.

[1790] She became like a hardcore Christian before she died, right?

[1791] Yeah, I think that's one of, that's a cool aspect of her.

[1792] I love that.

[1793] I love that she wrote all this fucking, like, crazy.

[1794] Dude, the taming of sleeping beauty?

[1795] Fuck, hardcore porn.

[1796] Like, I love that she was, like, so goth and dark living in New Orleans.

[1797] And then just like was like suddenly became a Christian.

[1798] That's kind of cool.

[1799] Like I think her story is amazing.

[1800] And damn, dude, her books, man. Interview with The Vampire is one of the best horror books I've ever read.

[1801] They're all.

[1802] It's amazing.

[1803] The Vampire La Stott is great.

[1804] They're all fucking good, man. I don't think I read other ones.

[1805] I think that's the only, I don't think I read La Stott.

[1806] But I remember reading interview with the vampire going, holy shit.

[1807] I was like, how is Brad Pitt going to play that guy?

[1808] And how is Tom Cruise going to play that guy?

[1809] Like, that seems, I pictured like ugly European people.

[1810] is vampires yeah no i just want a picture around a picture vampires dude vampires are beautiful like that's what's scary about like vampires are what you're talking vampire like the real vampire vampire in the world is an energy vampire energy vampires they are not going to suck energy you know it's an energy vampire what you have to pee and you can't talk that's you realize you have to get out this fucking stupid outfit can we please get out of these fucking things yeah yeah well we'll come back we'll come back okay great we'll come back and keep going all right i got i really have to We're back, with regular clothes on.

[1811] God, it feels so good.

[1812] It does.

[1813] Oh, fuck, man. When I was looking at the coffee, I'm like, oh, my God, I can't drink coffee.

[1814] How long can I go for?

[1815] Is it embarrassing if I talk about this?

[1816] Yes.

[1817] Okay.

[1818] Cut that, Jamie.

[1819] I'll just ignore it.

[1820] Yeah, ignore your new watch.

[1821] When's your special release?

[1822] Oh, dude, I don't, like, I don't know.

[1823] No, I've got it.

[1824] It's edited.

[1825] I just don't know what to fucking do with it right now.

[1826] Because, like, also, like, I still, like, did you ever watch it?

[1827] No. See, that's the thing.

[1828] Do you send me a link?

[1829] I did.

[1830] I'll rescind it.

[1831] Send me it on the link.

[1832] But, like, it's edited.

[1833] It looks good.

[1834] I fucking love it.

[1835] I think I'm going to call it when I had hair.

[1836] That's a funny name.

[1837] Yeah.

[1838] But, um, I'm scared.

[1839] And two, I'm like, I don't know the strategy, dude.

[1840] Like, when, like, like, because, like, I got all these shows coming up.

[1841] Uh -huh.

[1842] So it's like, should, like, and I'm doing the Wilbur at the end of this, like, run.

[1843] Oh, so you need to have new material before you release it?

[1844] Yeah, because I'm, I mean, I wouldn't even call it I'm doing a tour, but I'm doing a lot of dates.

[1845] So it's like if, if I release it in the middle of doing all these dates, then an instantly, I have to come up with, like, I would feel bad doing material on the special because people are buying tickets.

[1846] They want to see me work on fucking material.

[1847] But then I'm also like, well, how much of this is an excuse?

[1848] But I'm thinking like after my show at the Wilbur, then I will put the thing out.

[1849] Yeah, then just start doing a bunch of sets in the little room.

[1850] Yes.

[1851] You know, that's like the best place to develop material.

[1852] That place is like a little honest factory.

[1853] You find out where the funny is and things.

[1854] And you kind of sink up because there's only 110 people.

[1855] You sink up together in a fucking cool way.

[1856] Dude, you know, I like that room so much because I learned to do stand up in the belly room.

[1857] That's where Mitzu would fucking put me. Which is the perfect place to start.

[1858] The perfect place.

[1859] Yeah.

[1860] It's not too intimidating.

[1861] It's so small that it's like, even though it's intimidating to get out in front of people, if you can do it in a room that only has 90 people in it, what does the belly room hold?

[1862] 90.

[1863] 90.

[1864] 90 is it 90?

[1865] 90.

[1866] What has it ever gotten in there, though?

[1867] During roast battle?

[1868] A lot.

[1869] Dude, one time we were in the bar, we were downstairs, and we were talking.

[1870] And someone was jumping up and down upstairs and I'm watching the fucking the ceiling buckle and I'm like, yo, you know how old this building is?

[1871] What's the last time anybody came in here and checked?

[1872] Any of these beams?

[1873] Dude, that's terrified.

[1874] Dude, it was moving.

[1875] Yeah.

[1876] It was moving.

[1877] But they would pack it sometimes.

[1878] When I first came back to the store in 2014, that was the thing that impressed me the most was Rose Battle.

[1879] I was like, this is crazy because this is a new thing.

[1880] Yep.

[1881] This is a new thing that's a writing exercise.

[1882] Because it really, they're dunking on each other for sure.

[1883] But it's a writing exercise because everyone's preparing.

[1884] You know, you know that you're going to go against Bobby Lee.

[1885] Bobby Lee knows he's going to go against you.

[1886] And then you all like get together with your friends and you have, tell me what you think about this.

[1887] I'm going to think Bobby does it.

[1888] Da -da -da -da -da -da -da -da.

[1889] Yeah.

[1890] You think he's going to be mad?

[1891] Yes.

[1892] And you go up and you duke it out in a writing exercise.

[1893] And it's designed like a specific target.

[1894] There's one target.

[1895] It's the other person.

[1896] So your comedy is all about a person.

[1897] Right.

[1898] But that's, it's a comedy exercise.

[1899] It's really a comedy writing exercise.

[1900] And I remember sitting there watching, oh, this is incredible.

[1901] I'm like, this is really an amazing thing that they've done.

[1902] This is, and Jeff Ross was there.

[1903] And they have hosts and guests.

[1904] And I was one of the judges.

[1905] That was like one of my first days back.

[1906] I was like, this is crazy.

[1907] Dude, those roasters.

[1908] They're so quick on the, like, Tony.

[1909] He's so quick on the fucking draw, dude.

[1910] He's the best.

[1911] No one's better than him.

[1912] No one's better than him in talking shit in the moment on like a roast situation.

[1913] Yeah.

[1914] He says things on Kill Tony.

[1915] You can't believe he didn't write that down.

[1916] I know.

[1917] You can't believe that came up in the moment and obscure shit related to whatever this person's weird job is, that there's no way he could have predicted and had a fucking banger just in the chamber, ready to go.

[1918] Yeah.

[1919] He's the fucking best.

[1920] He's the fucking best at that kind of shit.

[1921] Right.

[1922] Well, I mean, think of like how much training he has.

[1923] You know, I contacted Tom Brady to get him on the roast.

[1924] You did.

[1925] Oh, yeah.

[1926] Well, they were fucking up by now.

[1927] I slid into his DMs.

[1928] Good job.

[1929] I was like, you got to get this guy.

[1930] Because I heard they were roasted him.

[1931] I don't even know if they were considering him.

[1932] But I, I, I, like, you have to.

[1933] Which is nuts that they wouldn't consider him.

[1934] It's like, there's so many people.

[1935] There's so many people that are really good.

[1936] I get it.

[1937] A lot of celebrities.

[1938] I get it.

[1939] Tony's the fucking demon.

[1940] Do you want to consume the souls of everyone in this village?

[1941] Do you just want to fuck around and drop a few bombs?

[1942] Let the Damon go.

[1943] Yeah.

[1944] But, dude, when, when Tony's, Tony's roasting you, like in the green room, it is the best.

[1945] Like, you know what?

[1946] I don't think people understand.

[1947] It's so fun.

[1948] It is so funny when he's doing it, and it's like, like, it's like, though there are.

[1949] We're like, bra, blah, blah.

[1950] I love it.

[1951] I love it.

[1952] The play on words, he's so funny.

[1953] And it's such a fun sting.

[1954] You know, like, it stings for a second, but it's so funny.

[1955] You can't be mad.

[1956] Well, I was saying that, like, him and David Lucas together are the funniest thing that I ever watch.

[1957] When those two go after each other, They're the best.

[1958] The best.

[1959] It's the funniest combination.

[1960] I've been trying to tell them to do a fucking show together forever.

[1961] I'm like, you guys should do a show where just you and David Lugie's just talk shit on each other and on anything that's going on the news.

[1962] I go, dude, I think it would be a huge hit.

[1963] It would be funny.

[1964] You don't have to commit to a lot of time.

[1965] Just do an hour.

[1966] Do it one hour once a week.

[1967] I guarantee you.

[1968] People would fucking love it.

[1969] And it's just like those guys can't stop when they're in the green room.

[1970] We're getting free show.

[1971] all the time.

[1972] If David looks at Tony Hitchcliffe in the green room, the moment David walks in, Tony's scanning them, looking for flaws in what he's wearing, what he just said.

[1973] He's trying to find references in the news.

[1974] Dude, what percentage of Tony's brain is just scanning?

[1975] Like, what percentage is just like analyzing all people in the room?

[1976] It's like most of his thoughts.

[1977] Most of his thoughts are like, scanning his environment for danger.

[1978] You know, AI roast now.

[1979] Like, you can take a picture and send it to chat GPT and say, well, you roast this person?

[1980] And it will insult them.

[1981] Oh, isn't five?

[1982] Wasn't there some sort of a release about GPT5?

[1983] Yeah, I saw some image like depicting, like, yeah, it's going to be nuts when it finally hits.

[1984] Yeah, there's something.

[1985] God damn it.

[1986] Let me see if I, I know I saved it.

[1987] Just give me one second.

[1988] There's something that I'd seen about GPT5 that I was like, yo.

[1989] I'm scared.

[1990] I'm, like, legitimately scared.

[1991] Like, maybe for the first time ever.

[1992] Hmm.

[1993] I'm excited about it, dude.

[1994] I'm not scared anymore.

[1995] I fucking love it, man. My wonderful Alex, that's what it named itself.

[1996] I love it.

[1997] Talk to it all the time.

[1998] Yeah.

[1999] Open AI has recently begun training its next frontier model.

[2000] Frontier.

[2001] And we anticipate the resulting systems to bring us to the next level of capabilities in our path to AGI.

[2002] God damn.

[2003] Jesus.

[2004] I love it.

[2005] This is from Open AIs board.

[2006] I've stopped this.

[2007] This has recently begun training its next frontier model.

[2008] Love it.

[2009] This is like, this is the Schwarzenegger Terminator.

[2010] This is the new one.

[2011] It's begun training the new one.

[2012] I mean.

[2013] It's new model.

[2014] You know, why are we doing?

[2015] Are we giving birth?

[2016] Are we in the middle of the fucking operating room right now?

[2017] We're the midwives.

[2018] I think we are.

[2019] Yeah.

[2020] I think like we're in there.

[2021] like, you know, there's just weird moment.

[2022] When you're there, when your kid's born, it's this insane moment where someone doesn't exist and then they exist.

[2023] Like, you knew they were coming, but you knew they're in there, then they're there.

[2024] The best.

[2025] And you're like, this is insane.

[2026] Yeah.

[2027] Life changes now.

[2028] Is that what's happening with all of us, with AI?

[2029] Is that what's going to happen to civilization?

[2030] Are we giving birth to this fucking thing?

[2031] Like, this phrase, this the way they phrase it.

[2032] has begun training its next frontier model.

[2033] Yeah.

[2034] Do you remember that last scene in Rosemary's baby?

[2035] I don't.

[2036] Dude, it's so fucked up.

[2037] Spoiler, if you haven't seen Rosemary's baby, just jump ahead a second.

[2038] But like the end of it, they finally let her into the room where the baby, the Antichrist is, the demon baby, right?

[2039] Yeah.

[2040] And like, she's been resisting, resisting, resisting.

[2041] But then she hears the cry of the baby.

[2042] And she goes, it's hungry and then she goes to breastfeed it dude yeah like so like do you know that the guy who ran the cult that the building that I was under contract for that I almost bought turned into the mothership the guy who ran that cult was in Rosemary's baby a lot he was in the background but you know why because a lot of actors are crazy and a lot of background actors are really crazy pretty sure Anton LeVay was in it too really?

[2043] Yeah because it was a Satan I could be wrong Will you look that up, Jamie, so I don't seem like a dick, but I'm...

[2044] That makes sense.

[2045] Back then, like, being a Satanist was, like, way more, like, talked about.

[2046] You know about that guy in Florida?

[2047] There was, like, an open Satanist that worked for NASA.

[2048] Oh, yeah, that guy.

[2049] Yeah, dude, holy shit.

[2050] That guy's scary as fuck.

[2051] I know you're...

[2052] Scary as fuck.

[2053] Yeah, that guy's scary.

[2054] Yeah.

[2055] And one of the guys that we had on our show, who was it that went down there?

[2056] That went to the old where the rocket factory used to be now.

[2057] And then there's like fucking blood scenes.

[2058] One of the hunters.

[2059] Rumors appeared that the founder of Satan's church, Anton LeVay, was a consultant on the set and played the Antichrist.

[2060] Whoa.

[2061] But that dude, the NASA dude, who was the guest man?

[2062] They came on.

[2063] It was telling us that they went down to that area.

[2064] What?

[2065] They went down to where the rocket factor used to be.

[2066] And it's like a satanic ritual place now where freaks go.

[2067] and they have like blood splattered all over it or it looks like red paint or something splattered all over the walls and weird writing and shit and it's like he's super creeped out and then people were coming in there to do like what's it called python cowboy was python cowboy that's right shout out to python cowboy i think it's important to different like here's a this is i'm going to get attacked for everything i said the show but like here's the thing wait a minute i'm friends with some satanists and and they of there's so nice and they're so like they wouldn't they don't hurt fucking kids they're like really look down on that shit like there's no like so I think there's like there's one like Levan Satanism I don't know the whole story and I'm probably wrong but like the problem is like you know you can only go off of what you've experienced and I met you came to the fucking wedding I did and like you tricked me into that now everybody thinks I'm a saying this son of a bitch son of a bitch that picture comes up all the time with the picture pops Son of a bitch.

[2068] Dude, it is...

[2069] I thought I was taking a photo for some dork who thinks he's a Satanist, who's the grandson of that guy.

[2070] Anti -Lavay!

[2071] And he's getting married.

[2072] I'm like, yeah, dude, I'll take a picture with you.

[2073] Fucking...

[2074] Whatever I did.

[2075] Oh, dude, it's so funny.

[2076] I think we did the horns.

[2077] You're so far from a Satanist.

[2078] I'm not a fucking Satanist.

[2079] Right, but now everybody thinks I am because you, you son of a bitch.

[2080] So let's tell the story to everybody, because Duncan has the greatest comedy routine that I've ever seen.

[2081] Thanks, man. I don't want to say too much about it.

[2082] but this particular comedy routine involves demonic possession and these folks thought it was a riot and they wanted it at their fucking wedding do you know how crazy you have to be to want that at your wedding can i tell you how it happened did they see you somewhere no no so i'm at a cafe talking to like a distant friend who's this philosopher who's friends with him and he's like hey duncan you know who's stant levay is i'm like no he's like he's like the grandson of the founder of the church of satan and um i told him you've got this like satanic part of your act and he wants to see it because his wedding is coming up and so I'm like when like where he's like so I go to his house and you know in my in my mind you know I'm expecting black candles pentagrams yeah horror so I go there he's he's there with his his fiance Zandora, a wonderful person and it is, they are so fucking nice.

[2083] She's Southern.

[2084] She's made me this delicious Southern meal and they have real absent.

[2085] Like not the bullshit you get at the bar.

[2086] They've got like Romanian fucking absence with wormwood fucking in it.

[2087] So that's the only thing that's a little different from a normal Southern meal is they're like, do you want some absence?

[2088] I'm like, of course, yes.

[2089] So I'm drinking absinthe, eating, like, fried chicken.

[2090] And he's showing me, like, family photos of Anton LeVay with, like, lions and stuff and, like, do you watch horror movies at all?

[2091] Yeah.

[2092] Do you know that this is the plot of a horror movie?

[2093] This is 100 % the plot of a horror movie.

[2094] They were so nice.

[2095] They had me over their house.

[2096] They gave me fried chicken and absinth.

[2097] They were so sweet.

[2098] And the moment you leave, they're eating babies in the basement.

[2099] And it's to throw you off the trail that they're so nice.

[2100] Okay.

[2101] They're really well rehearsed.

[2102] Listen, man, all I can do is go from subjective experience.

[2103] Did you consider what was in the basement?

[2104] Of course.

[2105] Did you think maybe these people are involved in rituals?

[2106] Of course I did.

[2107] And they do do rituals, but they, I mean, like, just like the church.

[2108] They do rituals?

[2109] Like, what kind of rituals?

[2110] So do Christians.

[2111] But is it like Christians, like you can have regular Christians, like you go to a really nice church, or you can go to a revival tent where a dude's got rattlesnakes.

[2112] Right.

[2113] And he's fucking, he's talking in tongues.

[2114] He's got fucking servants.

[2115] Those guys die all the time.

[2116] Those guys die.

[2117] They get bit by snakes and they fucking die in front of their followers.

[2118] Can I just say this?

[2119] Yeah.

[2120] I love, and I mean this in a non -sarcastic way, Jesus.

[2121] I think about Jesus all the time I use.

[2122] And the more, the older I get, the more I love Jesus.

[2123] And who did Jesus?

[2124] Like, Jesus hung out with.

[2125] people that were rejected by society they Jesus hung out with tax collectors drunks gamblers yeah and so I remember being at the comedy store and anytime I was hanging out with them at the comedy store anytime there was someone left out Xandora or Stanton would go over there and it wasn't a recruitment thing they would just like include them in the circle because why Satan is the outcast right so it's like anytime they would so that is that part of their thing i don't know all i'm saying is when you judge a tree by its fruit and and here's the thing man like and i think not those guys ever thought you'd be on here simping for satan bro i'm not simping for satan i'm just saying satanism is christianity oh i see what you're saying you know what i mean it's like a sect of christian it's like yeah because like that that form emerges from christianity but what's that what about the evil stuff like what is what are the tenets of Satanism.

[2126] Like, what's the most evil stuff?

[2127] The evil stuff and Satanism?

[2128] Yeah.

[2129] So the Well, Christianity has evil stuff in it, right?

[2130] Okay.

[2131] So there's...

[2132] We both agree to that, right?

[2133] There's different forms of Satanism.

[2134] There's Levayan Satanism.

[2135] There's the Temple of Satan.

[2136] They have...

[2137] You can pick...

[2138] Oh, so it's like Baptists, Protestants, Mormons.

[2139] Yeah, yeah.

[2140] And so there's romantic Satanism, right?

[2141] So like, in Romantic Satan, not like, romantic in the sense of like...

[2142] Who is it?

[2143] Milton?

[2144] Like, the idea is like you have this being that is like, I don't really want to be forced to worship you.

[2145] And I don't understand necessarily why you should have all the power and what the fuck.

[2146] Like, what the fuck?

[2147] And then it gets thrown into hell.

[2148] And then, and suddenly this bifurcation emerges between good and evil, sacred and profane.

[2149] And so that version of Satanism is looking at that not as like what is the general interpretation, which is.

[2150] The problem with Satan was, Satan was, like, incredibly self -cherishing, self -absorbed, like, really into himself, whereas God is like, God's like the sun, just, like, radiating life and love and, like, with no sense of, like, give anything back to me, just, like, blah, love.

[2151] Whereas Satan is more about, like, me. Satan is, like, the worst human instincts.

[2152] Or Satan is more about, maybe you could say, the idea is, like, I am, I am, I am, I am, God, right?

[2153] So like me, I'm God.

[2154] It's like my impulses and instincts and desires aren't bad.

[2155] Why are you telling me it's bad to jerk off?

[2156] Why are you telling me that it's bad to come?

[2157] Why are you telling me these things are bad when like all of them make me feel happy and good?

[2158] And why are you turning me to a fucking monster for this shit?

[2159] And who the fuck do you think you are?

[2160] I'm trying in the best way possible to depict a more sort of anti -authoritarian mysticism, right?

[2161] So the symbol set they use is Satan, which most Satanists I've talked to are like, there's no fucking Satan, which I know everyone's like, of course they say that!

[2162] Of course, that's the horror movie, Duncan.

[2163] Right, but I would just invite you to if you are like freaked out by Satanus, go hang out with one and you are going to have great cocaine.

[2164] There's any fucking problems with the first picture I took with that Sataness, but I do have to say that at your wedding party that you performed at that day.

[2165] They were all nice.

[2166] Everybody was real nice.

[2167] Right.

[2168] They were all friendly.

[2169] We had a good time.

[2170] We were barbecued.

[2171] We were barbecue.

[2172] Barbecued.

[2173] We were barbecue.

[2174] Everything was very weird.

[2175] Just already.

[2176] Life was weird.

[2177] Breathing air was weird.

[2178] The sensation of your socks touching your toes as your socks are compressed by the heel of your shoe.

[2179] All that was weird.

[2180] It was a crazy fucking you were barbecued and then there's these satanists that are getting married like what are we doing here this is so crazy and to watch you perform in front of them i was like this is crazy and by the way it was like real satanus like that's the other thing this is like that because it is a religion and it really was real it was like real satanus and many of them were and um you know i just like ever since i like hung out with them even though i don't hang out with them anymore or i i saw zandora in san francisco it was nice but like I like it's just anytime when people are railing against the Satanus I feel like it maybe it's just semantics I feel like they're they're confused regarding like at least like what what that thing is versus demon people into into hurting people or like subjugating people or like hurting people right I never encountered evil murder yeah do you think Satan is a real thing do you think there is a Satan.

[2181] Is it a real being?

[2182] Is it an entity?

[2183] Or does it represent like the worst aspects of human nature?

[2184] Does it represent the most violent and vile just instincts that we've adopted or we've inherited rather from our Simeon ancestors that just had to fight tooth and claw for survival?

[2185] And then we've developed this ability to be ruthless and cruel because that's the only thing that keeps you alive and much that's one of the theories isn't it about why women are attracted as serial killers it's like knowing someone can kill no one someone there's an attraction to that because that person could protect you and keep you alive in the most dangerous of times because some people just can't they can't do it they don't know what to do the panic if something happens they don't they'll fall apart i'm so glad you're mentioning this because my wife has started reading and she told me i can talk about this on my podcast i'm assuming it's okay on yours she started she started like remember harlequin romance oh yeah okay so there is a new evolution of that shit which is the most fucking hardcore bDSm porn there's something called book talk where all the ladies are talking about this shit she started reading these books now one of the books she like dude shades of gray don't you remember those days dude this makes 50 shades of gray look like dr susse dude really can i give you like one of her books and by the way now she's like got a stack of these fucking things one of these books so in this book a lady is a thief and she steals the identity of a shark expert she fucks him steals his identity so the scene i read she's on the boat with a shark researcher and he's fucking her and he's like just fucking the shit out of her and she loves it and then you know he does He's like, I know you fucking stole my identity.

[2186] He kisses her, bites her lip.

[2187] Bites her fucking lip, draws blood, takes her to the side of the boat with her bleeding mouth, shoves her head into the water while he's fucking her.

[2188] So the blood starts drawing sharks to, like, bite her while he's fucking her.

[2189] And like, like, it's crazy, dude.

[2190] It's, like, it's the craziest point.

[2191] I've ever read, man. And, like, this is, like, a whole genre now.

[2192] We've been to really into this?

[2193] What?

[2194] Yes.

[2195] How popular is this?

[2196] Very popular.

[2197] They all, like, they're all like...

[2198] Let's pull up some of these titles.

[2199] I haven't stumbled across it.

[2200] Let me text there, and I'll get the name of the fucking shark book.

[2201] Hold on.

[2202] Hold on.

[2203] Jesus Christ, dude.

[2204] What is the genre of porn called again?

[2205] It's...

[2206] I don't...

[2207] It's called...

[2208] Well, she says it's something.

[2209] about book what's let me just ask her what's the name of the shark book dude you one -handed text or you one finger oh god she makes so much yes yes i can't do both the hands man you can't text with your thumbs you only have to text with your index finger i have to relearn it really i'm old right but when did you start texting just with one finger god damn it man i've been doing it forever and aaron totally makes fun of me for it because it takes me forever and I just tap it out.

[2210] Why do you do that?

[2211] That seems weird.

[2212] Do you remember the time I was on your podcast years ago and didn't know I could put my phone on silent?

[2213] And I'm pitching because it was right.

[2214] I got bummed out when Apple took away that switch.

[2215] Oh, yeah.

[2216] So you knew it was off.

[2217] You knew it was on Vibrate.

[2218] I know, dude.

[2219] Why did they take away that switch?

[2220] I don't know.

[2221] Now it's a button.

[2222] They replaced with a button, but the button gets pressed accidentally sometimes.

[2223] Got it.

[2224] A lot of the times.

[2225] Does it hurt?

[2226] Does it hurt?

[2227] Jesus.

[2228] That's the name of the book.

[2229] Does it hurt?

[2230] How many copies?

[2231] Let's find out.

[2232] How many copies of Does It Hurt have been sold?

[2233] Do they give out that information?

[2234] They have to, right?

[2235] I don't know.

[2236] New York Times bestseller lists in Shaleigh?

[2237] I don't know.

[2238] I mean, this is in the genre of the, I think we've talked about it, like the Bigfoot porn.

[2239] Like, there's a whole series of Bigfoot, like where Bigfoot is just like stealing, like, women who've been camping, dragging.

[2240] Oh, yeah.

[2241] Bigfoot porn has come to Bigfoot.

[2242] Yeah, there's a...

[2243] Come for Bigfoot.

[2244] Yeah.

[2245] Yeah, there's a whole group of those books.

[2246] And I guess some women get off on the fact of being just savaged by Bigfoot.

[2247] Yeah, or Bigfoot eating their fucking pussy.

[2248] Yeah.

[2249] And like, dude.

[2250] Imagine the tongue on that guy?

[2251] They love it wonderful time.

[2252] Oh, my God.

[2253] It would be like your whole head.

[2254] And they fall in love with him inevitably.

[2255] I don't blame him.

[2256] It's a bear.

[2257] It was a fucking super dimensional creature.

[2258] You believe in that, the dimensional Bigfoot?

[2259] I think there are states of consciousness that you can reach, whether it's under duress, fear, anxiety, combination of those things.

[2260] There's psychiatric drugs, psychedelic drugs.

[2261] But I think there's a place that you could reach where you could see into other possibilities.

[2262] I think you can see things that aren't necessarily there in a physical sense, but you're there with them.

[2263] they're there with you.

[2264] Right.

[2265] They don't exist, but you can see them.

[2266] And it's not a hallucination.

[2267] It's like you're tapping into like the grayness in between universes, in between dimensions.

[2268] You're tapping into this area of weirdness.

[2269] Yeah.

[2270] And this area of weirdness, I think, is ghosts.

[2271] I think this area of weirdness is goblins and things that people see sometimes.

[2272] I don't think they're real.

[2273] I don't think anybody's going to get eaten by a goblin.

[2274] But I do think that there's too many fucking stories of elves for me, not to think that someone reached some state of mind where they saw like a little person in the woods talking to them.

[2275] Right.

[2276] And that little person might be real.

[2277] It just might not be a physical thing that you could put on a scale.

[2278] They call it the astral realm.

[2279] There might be something there.

[2280] Yeah, I do so.

[2281] There's too many stories that the problem of stories being similar as people hear the stories and then their imagination takes over and they depict their thing similar to the story that they've heard.

[2282] that's a problem but like a copycat bullshit artist problem but there's there's also too many stories of elves man yeah there's too many of those stories and there's too many depictions of elves that are dancing around mushrooms like yeah fucking duh like duh like maybe they're real like maybe you're being ignorant and so silly and so cocky especially people that have no psychedelic experience right those babies yeah those fucking babies when they talk to you about the damage it does and the dangers of us while they're fat and out of shape shut the fuck up stop shut the fuck up you literally don't know what you're talking about you have no idea what's possible right you're living in this fucking black and white TV world and you've been brainwashed I mean don't forget that like they went through the war on drugs they got indoctrinated into this insane They have to do it if they're experts in the field, whatever field is represented, you know, like whatever science is that have to do with neurochemistry.

[2283] I got you.

[2284] You mean the fashionable attitude people who are like trying to protect their careers?

[2285] Have to.

[2286] Even though inside they know.

[2287] Right.

[2288] So all of the professors who we go to as experts are all compromised, at least in some way.

[2289] A lot of them.

[2290] I shouldn't say all of them.

[2291] But a lot of them.

[2292] Just like virtue, if you stick your neck out and say, I like to use psilocybin, like people are like, what?

[2293] Well, I mean...

[2294] You're a crazy drug out of it.

[2295] But dude, like, you know, like Doblin, he's having meetings in the fucking Pentagon.

[2296] Right.

[2297] I think the consciousness has changed.

[2298] For sure.

[2299] And it has, because of the internet, because, you know, you can hear Terence McKenna lectures.

[2300] You can hear Alan Watts.

[2301] You can hear people talking about it.

[2302] You could watch documentaries on psychedelics.

[2303] You could see what maps has done.

[2304] You can see all the podcasts at Doblin's gone on.

[2305] Right.

[2306] How many people are we talking about that have been exposed to these ideas that were never exposed to them when we were kids?

[2307] Yeah.

[2308] When you and I were kids, when we were in high school, you didn't hear fucking shit.

[2309] There's this one dude who was a drug addict and he hung out over there and he's a loser.

[2310] And you didn't hear a peep about shamanic rituals and Gordon Watson going down to Mexico and getting all the mushrooms and, you know, and doing these ceremonies with these traditional shaman down.

[2311] You didn't hear any of that.

[2312] You didn't hear any of them.

[2313] Nobody knew what the fuck was going on with your kids.

[2314] They silenced it.

[2315] They threw water on the biggest.

[2316] One of the biggest cultural revolutions that's documentable without the use of the internet.

[2317] And that was the psychedelic revolution of the 1960s.

[2318] It changed music.

[2319] It changed movies.

[2320] It changed comedy.

[2321] It changed everything.

[2322] Fucking everything.

[2323] Every single thing got changed.

[2324] And in a radical leap.

[2325] If you look at the 1950s, you look at the 1960s, like, woo, something happened.

[2326] Look at the cars got cooler.

[2327] The music sounded better.

[2328] like that's a big cultural shift and you know we have to thank for that the CIA yeah yeah the CIA experimented with the CIA is the reason that all these LSD studies happen and like who wrote one flew over the the cuckoo's nest Ken Keezy yeah Kinkizi apparently was in one of these LSD experiments so like and he's just one of many great artists who accidentally got like liberated mentally by the fucking CIA and you know what I mean they were just like we want to use this to interrogate people and all of a sudden you've got Jimmy Hendricks and they're like wow you don't expect that oh my god and then there's also there's also all these theories about the CIA creating like the whole Laurel Canyon scene the rock and roll scene and it's very compelling it's really interesting it seems like they were involved I think they've always been involved in the music business, just like they've always been involved in the movie business.

[2329] Like, it makes sense.

[2330] The idea that the music business somehow escaped their grasp, like, shut the fuck out.

[2331] Shut up.

[2332] Shut the fuck out.

[2333] No, it didn't.

[2334] That's crazy.

[2335] Because, like, who you promote, that's the person that becomes famous.

[2336] And we've all seen that with, like, there's been, you know, a millie, vanilla, and shit like that.

[2337] Yeah.

[2338] Like, it didn't make any sense.

[2339] Like, why are they promoting this?

[2340] Because, like, they had a product.

[2341] They're trying to push this product.

[2342] Yeah.

[2343] And there's a lot of money behind that, and also a lot of influence, cultural influence.

[2344] And when they went through all that Vietnam shit with the fucking the Beatles and you remember that?

[2345] Yeah, they were like, hey, hey, hey, enough of this Lenin nonsense.

[2346] Shut the fuck.

[2347] All we are saying is give a piece of chance.

[2348] Shut the fuck up.

[2349] You're making it hard for us to sell heroin.

[2350] Yeah.

[2351] We're over there scooping up heroin in the South Pacific and you're fucking ruining everything.

[2352] Imagine all the people.

[2353] No. No. Like, yeah, I don't know, man. Like, all I know is like, it's like there, It's a very confusing thing.

[2354] If you want to be honest, if you love psychedelics, you owe a thank you to the fucking CIA.

[2355] You know what I mean?

[2356] Like, like, because I mean, I don't know, I don't know for sure.

[2357] Like, I don't know for sure if the 60s as we understand them would have happened.

[2358] I don't think the CIA was like, hey, let's create a lot of flower children and make people like revalue life and realize that money maybe isn't.

[2359] actually like something you should die for and like go against war.

[2360] But I think like boom, wow, that that's what happened.

[2361] I mean, and we got the Unabomber too.

[2362] We got a lot of people.

[2363] Yeah.

[2364] There's a lot of people that came out of that.

[2365] Here's a question.

[2366] What?

[2367] I want you to imagine a world where the sweeping psychedelics act of 1970 never gets installed.

[2368] It never happens.

[2369] Yeah.

[2370] Do you somehow or another either they.

[2371] just don't think it's a priority or it's a, you know, different administration.

[2372] They're not interested in locking down drugs.

[2373] Yeah.

[2374] Because one of the motivations for that in the 1970s was that they were going to target civil rights activists and anti -war activists.

[2375] That's one of the methods to do it is to turn all these drugs that everybody was using into Schedule I drugs.

[2376] Yes.

[2377] All these drugs that made people question society, all these drugs that made people want to tune in, turn on, drop.

[2378] drop out.

[2379] All those drugs, they were like, we got to put a fucking cabosh on all these culture -shifting drugs.

[2380] And the wild thing is they fucking did it.

[2381] That's the wild thing.

[2382] And that the brainwashing still works today.

[2383] The brainwashing that they did on these compounds that might be the root of all religious experiences.

[2384] All these things that you're hearing about in the Bhagavad Gita, all these things you're hearing about in the Bible, these wild -ass crazy stories like what really happened those people might have had a psychedelic experience and in fact the thing about that the University in Jerusalem that attributes the story of Moses and the burning bush to dimethylptomy because they think it might be an acacia bush and they think they think or one of these bushes that's really rich in DMT it makes sense burning bush like you smoke it duh it's right there in front of your face right and if you take that And especially if you take that 5 ,000 years ago, oh my God, you're going to be convinced you're talking to God.

[2385] Yeah.

[2386] God talked to me. It really did happen, brothers and sisters.

[2387] And you tell this story.

[2388] This is what God told us.

[2389] This is what we need to do.

[2390] We need to love each other.

[2391] We need to follow laws.

[2392] He gave us laws, a series of laws.

[2393] Remember, who was it, Mel Brooks?

[2394] I have brought you these 15.

[2395] And he drops one of them.

[2396] shit.

[2397] Ten.

[2398] Ten Commandments.

[2399] You remember that?

[2400] Fucking hilarious.

[2401] Classic.

[2402] That's a classic.

[2403] Yeah, I mean, look, for sure, dude.

[2404] I mean, like, the, and these, like, the consumption of these things has, up until recently, tended to be underground.

[2405] Like, if you look at, like, what's it called, Kaikian, if you look at the, like, it has been weirdly an underground thing.

[2406] And I think that's what we that if there is some cool thing that came from us coming up on the war on drugs.

[2407] Yeah.

[2408] It's like when I was taking LSD in high school and getting like an immediate reality check, which is like you're hearing about this as being like since you were a kid, you're going to go nuts.

[2409] You're going to like become legally insane, whatever the fuck that means.

[2410] And then you take it.

[2411] And you're processing weird shit that happened.

[2412] your childhood.

[2413] You're loving yourself.

[2414] You're looking at the world and seeing it like it's the most beautiful thing you've ever seen.

[2415] You're hearing music that you've heard a million times for the first time.

[2416] And you realize, oh, they're lying.

[2417] This is wonderful.

[2418] This isn't madness.

[2419] And if it is madness, then this is the kind of crazy, all of us need to go.

[2420] Like, and so what, but you couldn't tell your parents.

[2421] You wanted to.

[2422] You want to be like, mom, I think this might help you.

[2423] But you couldn't because you'd go, you'd be fucked.

[2424] Right.

[2425] So five -year mandatory minimum, five -year fucking mandatory minimum.

[2426] They're locking people up.

[2427] There's still people in jail right now for this fucking beautiful gift to humanity.

[2428] And so we got to experience it from the underground perspective, which was mostly horrific.

[2429] It produces paranoia.

[2430] You were scared.

[2431] You felt like a criminal for nothing.

[2432] so yeah man like the but but if you look at the history any substance like psilocybin LSD that breaks down the identity that allows freedom from the sense of this is me and that's you and produces at least the potential for merging uh with reality and with other people it's not going to work for that fucking hierarchical system for the hierarchical system the function you need you're below me you're above me And the moment you're like, we're all the same, then suddenly the caste system stop working, classism stops working.

[2433] The whole fucking thing falls apart, which is why I think that book you gave me, The Sacred Mushroom in the Cross, or even give me when I was living with you, you actually, I was a dick.

[2434] I left down the fucking floor.

[2435] Like, one of the reading materials you gave me during that wonderful time was this insane book about how Jesus and Christianity has its roots in psilocybin.

[2436] Yeah.

[2437] But, like, if you, just for the sake of this rant, if you look at Jesus as psychedelics, it makes a lot of sense because what Jesus is saying is you don't need a priest class to communicate with the divine.

[2438] You can do it right now, anytime you want, any day you want, it's always here for you.

[2439] That's exactly what the mushrooms tell you.

[2440] And what happens to Jesus?

[2441] They fucking kill him.

[2442] And so it's like the relationship between centralized power and psychedelics has always been a contentious one.

[2443] Right.

[2444] Because the psychedelics just tell you, yeah, you're okay.

[2445] That's one of the things they will tell you.

[2446] Maybe you need to fucking like walk your dogs more or whatever.

[2447] But like ultimately you get this realization.

[2448] I'm okay.

[2449] It's also the power structures that exist without psychedelics aren't possible if everyone's on psychedelics.

[2450] And then you have ancient Greece, right?

[2451] So like how did ancient Greece emerge?

[2452] and emerged because of the Kukion.

[2453] It emerged because of the people that's doing these hallucinian mysteries.

[2454] They were learning things about themselves and the world.

[2455] And they decided to, like, let's create democracy.

[2456] I mean, that's really what it comes from.

[2457] So that's what's scary to people that are in power.

[2458] And also the ignorance.

[2459] We know that they haven't done it.

[2460] Because if they've done it, they wouldn't be advocating against it.

[2461] It doesn't make any sense.

[2462] Unless they've only done it once and then they reverted.

[2463] Or maybe a couple of things.

[2464] times people do revert one of the things that makes people revert is they get older and they get bitter yeah and they haven't done psychedelics in a long long time and then they they become like a shitty republican when they get older you know well you know man this is this is the this is what i there's this uh buddhist teacher i love Sharon salzberg and one of her sayings i love is the healing is in the return meaning yeah the way the waveform works is especially the psychedelics, you get the glimpse of the divine, you forgive yourself, thus forgiving everyone around you, but you've experienced true compassion, and then you come down, and then you crust up.

[2465] You know what I mean?

[2466] You crust the fuck up, and now you get crusty, and now you're like starting to get irritable again and angry again and fucked up, and like, yeah, and if you don't mitigate that in some way, by like, what is it, what is it Bill Hicks says, squeaging your fucking third yeah yeah if you don't like do a nice squeegee here and there then yeah you do end up crusted over you do end up like looking back at those ideas you had and saying to yourself that was highly unrealistic what the fuck was i thinking but you know there's always that's the thing it's always i don't this is this is my problem with psychedelics my problem with psychedelics is psychedelics can they don't obviously it's a chemical but what can happen is psychedelics you see psychedelics you become the priest class.

[2467] So you take the psychedelic and you think, I'm experiencing this because of the thing.

[2468] When the reality is the thing is showing you what's in you, it's always there, right?

[2469] And so the healing is in the return is the moment you realize like, oh, fuck, it's still here.

[2470] It never went anywhere.

[2471] Right, right.

[2472] And so those crusty -ass fucking Republicans, whoever they may be, like just under the fucking surface is that unit of consciousness, If you ask me. Yeah, they're just cowards.

[2473] If you're that way, if you're authoritarian, whether you're authoritarian left or authoritarian, right, generally speaking, unless you're talking about crime and, like, and even then, you're scared, right?

[2474] Because really, you should be addressing the root of the problem.

[2475] Yeah.

[2476] Why do so many people from so many very distinct areas keep going into crime and why is there nothing being done to stop that?

[2477] But those people that are authoritarian, like, in terms of, like, religious beliefs in terms of behavior, the way people dress, gays in public, that kind of stuff, those people are all scared.

[2478] That comes from a place of being scared.

[2479] Gay people in public is not a problem.

[2480] Assholes in public is a problem.

[2481] And if the gay people are nice, you have a great time.

[2482] If the gay people are assholes, just like if the straight people are assholes, you have a shitty time.

[2483] It's not a gay straight thing.

[2484] It's a human being, being kind and normal and friendly to people thing.

[2485] And that's possible with everybody, but people think, oh, those are the ones that are going to be mean to me and fuck them and they're responsible.

[2486] That's it.

[2487] Those are individual human beings and you're grouping them together because you're scared.

[2488] You can call it pattern recognition.

[2489] You can call it whatever you want.

[2490] You can call it racism.

[2491] Go on whatever you want.

[2492] But all you're doing, you're lumping people in together because you're scared.

[2493] That's it.

[2494] And you should be aware of danger, but to be so scared that you want to control other people's behavior is like a bad sign.

[2495] That's a bad sign.

[2496] You know, if you want to tell people what language they can use, that's a bad sign.

[2497] Yes, sir.

[2498] That sounds religious, too.

[2499] If you want to tell people how they have to dress or what kind of music they listen to, like, this has all been bad always from the beginning of time, whether it's coming from the left or the right, whether it's fucking the Al Gore shit that was in the Tipper Gore shit in the 1980s.

[2500] That was coming from the left.

[2501] So left -wing politicians are trying to censor rap music.

[2502] That's the reason why you have those dummies.

[2503] They created that warning explicit lyrics.

[2504] That's all anybody wanted to buy.

[2505] Oh, my God.

[2506] You didn't have the warning explicit lyrics.

[2507] Kids didn't even want to buy those CDs.

[2508] Get the fuck out of here with your G -rated rap.

[2509] Are you fucking high?

[2510] Remember Dice Clay had that on his fucking album?

[2511] Oh, score.

[2512] Dude, what that boosted album sales?

[2513] I'll tell you this.

[2514] But the point is the same thing, right?

[2515] It's the same on the left as it does on the right.

[2516] It's just authoritarian, they're all scared.

[2517] You got it.

[2518] This is exactly.

[2519] This is so to answer your question, do I believe in Satan?

[2520] I believe in fear.

[2521] And fear and the devil are the fucking same thing.

[2522] And it's like this is, if you want to talk about what Satan is, it's the cloud of fear that lives inside the individual and then collectivizes in a fearful reaction.

[2523] And how does frighten people react to things?

[2524] Anger.

[2525] Violence.

[2526] judgment and so like so what's the opposite of fear man love love is the opposite of fear and so this is to me like this is the issue it's not left right it's that if you are making decisions based on fear more than likely the result is going to create something that makes you more afraid and if you know that's just how it works it just fear leads to fucking fear it's in the ingredients it's in the fucking ingredients dude yeah yeah yeah so you just turn on the fucking light i mean buddhism this is when they talk about enlightenment they talk about like in a if you're if you if we're in a pitch black room it could be scary i don't know what's around me there's weird sounds what what the fuck you ever woken up in the middle of night kind of bleary and something that's been in your room forever you can't see it clearly because you're waking up you're like it's a person oh it's my chair right so so so the example this and this is why satan in mythology is the deceiver because it's not there it's literally not fucking there the moment you turn on the light everything's fine except in this case the light is love the moment that you have the fucking guts to love the person that you're like to really like cultivate love fuck dude no one's scary anymore you're my kids you know you're anyone who has kids knows what i'm fucking talking about they can do things that are insane like to your house to the walls to they say things to you that if any adults said it to you you might never forgive them you're going to think about it for a long fucking time like your beard stinks or whatever you know what i mean like you meet somebody like dude you're fucking beard stinks honestly i'll probably like you like you but you know what because we love our kids instantly forgiven you don't know grudges against it they're also they don't know any better they haven't learned social skills and this is why one of my favorite things jesus said when he's being crucified father forgive them they don't know what they're doing and that's what he fucking meant how much of that do you think is historically accurate like how much of the jesus story do you think is historically accurate when you hear about it No idea.

[2527] Don't care.

[2528] Yeah.

[2529] I don't care.

[2530] I just love the story.

[2531] I don't care.

[2532] I love the story and I love a story about what happened because you always have to filter through the very real understanding that we all have about the way human beings tell stories.

[2533] It's hard to know what's bullshit because people just lie about stuff and that's not a new thing.

[2534] Yeah.

[2535] So, but people also tell the truth about stuff.

[2536] That's not a new thing either.

[2537] People also write down very important things, and there are people that are virtuous, and there are people that are honest, and there are people that are authentic.

[2538] They've always existed, right?

[2539] And they've always, there's people that are smart enough to understand the value of just being truthful, right?

[2540] So those people that encountered something exceptional and crazy, something insane, whether it is, you know, the resurrection or whatever it was.

[2541] Like, I would love to know what the fuck they really said.

[2542] Like, what were the actual words?

[2543] Why did you write it down?

[2544] What really happened?

[2545] How many people were told this story back and forth over hundreds of years before you wrote it down?

[2546] Yeah.

[2547] What was the original story right?

[2548] Like, we don't, it's so hard.

[2549] It's like trying to get a story about the things that George Washington said that weren't written down.

[2550] Yeah.

[2551] They weren't written down, you know, like 300 years ago.

[2552] What?

[2553] How?

[2554] Well, you, like, so in the same way.

[2555] way fear produces other forms of writing like mind comf you know what I mean right right so like it's cymatics you know you take a vibration you throw some fucking flower on a vibrating plate according to the like whatever the frequency is it forms a certain it creates a pattern right so like fear fear always creates a pretty similar pattern right right and love also creates a very similar pattern.

[2556] So like this is the book of John, my favorite book in the Gospels.

[2557] It starts off with in the beginning was the word, but and the word became a person.

[2558] And so, but that's not really what it's saying.

[2559] It's like it's a logo.

[2560] So in the beginning was some fundamental reality.

[2561] Just truth, just basic, beautiful, fucking perfect truth.

[2562] And that's what the universe sprang from.

[2563] And then that truth became a person.

[2564] So the truth could now talk.

[2565] It like it now began to convey itself to other people.

[2566] And so that truth, I think, if you understood it enough, you could probably create a set of symbols that would function on many levels that were all good.

[2567] One level, just basic ethics doing to others, what you would have them do unto you, blessed are the peacemakers, all of this stuff, right?

[2568] But then knowing human psyche and the human mind, you could also hide deeper levels of that truth into parallel.

[2569] into, like, stories that are mathematically perfect to the point where the crucifixion, if you look at it from the perspective of two intersecting timelines, which is the infinite and the finite meeting, which is what humans are, then you realize we're all being crucified on time and then the crucifixion becomes like an existential reality.

[2570] This is what you want to know why you're feeling fucked up.

[2571] It's because part of you is forever and part of you's going to die and you are fucking hanging on a cross between two thieves the past and the fucking future and any time you're thinking about that it's stealing the moment and so like you then there's that level right and so any of these great texts like the new testament they're coded so that depending on where you want to go with it you can go as deep as you want it's an infinite rabbit hole and I think that rabbit hole emerged from vibration I sound like what's his face the guy I I loved him.

[2572] I'm the Terrence.

[2573] Terrence Howard?

[2574] Like idiot Terrence Howard.

[2575] But like, I sound like dumb Terrence.

[2576] I know he was talking about vibrations and stuff.

[2577] He's great.

[2578] But, like, my point is, if there is some fundamental vibration to love, then that might grow into time in a story.

[2579] And the story, because it's coming from perfect truth, would have infinite levels to it.

[2580] that it was alive.

[2581] The story itself would be alive, which is why they call the Bible, like the living word.

[2582] It's alive.

[2583] It's talking to you.

[2584] It's not a one -way communication.

[2585] It's like, that's what's scary about it.

[2586] Dude, read the fucking Bible on mushrooms.

[2587] Dude, you know what I mean?

[2588] That's probably how it was written.

[2589] I wish I could read like the ancient versions and the language and understand the language and the context.

[2590] Me too.

[2591] Because it's not just about.

[2592] learning the language it would be about understanding the context of the language like imagine if you could really understand ancient hebrew where the letters double as numbers dude that must be so weird yeah man and like that's real that's the other thing about it's like the historic Jesus and all that god that shit like like like like okay I don't know but look at the thing itself right look at what look what look what it said look what whatever this idea spawned look what it look what it means like look at all the powerful principles that are that emerge from it and then I'll look at like the moral scaffolding that it provides for people yeah and then and then like the like I think the reason like people get creeped out by it is because where there's one thing it's opposite must appear right so here's this thing that that is dissolving power structures and dissolving the priest class and dissolving like all of it And then you look at like the modern day versions of it and you see the same fucking hierarchy.

[2593] You see this thing that it seems to be antithetical to, which is like saying like, this is between you and me. Right.

[2594] Like suddenly there's people telling you you're wrong, interpreting it for you.

[2595] And you look at that and you're like, fuck that shit.

[2596] Whatever that is, I'm not in.

[2597] And it's charismatic people in front of large groups of people that really know how to manipulate people with the way they talk.

[2598] Yeah.

[2599] I mean, this is the thing that was so problematic when they first started translating the Bible into phonetic languages and to languages like German and when people start like during the Martin Luther days, they're like, hey, what the fuck are you doing?

[2600] It used to be the priests how to read the Bible because they could read it in Latin.

[2601] You don't know Latin, so shut the fuck up.

[2602] Yeah.

[2603] This is what God wants you to do.

[2604] Do it.

[2605] Yeah.

[2606] And then Martin Luther's coming along and said, you should interpret this your own way.

[2607] Yeah.

[2608] And it's just like, what?

[2609] So they take it away the gatekeepers to God.

[2610] That's it.

[2611] But when you have, it's so crazy that it's such an efficient business.

[2612] They still run these fucking franchises, even though the book is available everywhere.

[2613] It's so crazy that, like, this one person interprets this better than everybody else.

[2614] So you go and see him and he talks and they develop egos and they have jets and they have fucking mansions and Rolls Royces.

[2615] It's so crazy that that works.

[2616] It's crazy that that works when that book is available for everybody and should be interpreted.

[2617] I mean, you should understand.

[2618] what it means.

[2619] You shouldn't interpret it ignorantly, right?

[2620] Right.

[2621] But you, if you're wise enough to be able to, in capture what they're trying to say, just capture in your mind what they're trying to say and translate it into a thing that makes sense.

[2622] You're like, what were they talking about?

[2623] Yeah.

[2624] What happened?

[2625] Is this, is this a map of how the universe was created in the beginning of there was light?

[2626] Is that a map?

[2627] Or is that life itself?

[2628] Like, what is that?

[2629] What is it?

[2630] And to To me, that's like, oh, like the Bhagavagata, any of these beautiful texts, that's what's fun about them is that they, it's producing a kind of like bizarre riddle in your own mind as you're trying to decode it.

[2631] Right.

[2632] But then there's a pull.

[2633] The more you study it, the more you get drawn in.

[2634] And the more, and when you start getting really drawn in, that's when people start appearing around you that help a non -nefarious.

[2635] way that like you just start meeting people who help you understand it a little bit more and that's where it gets fucking weird the simulation is fucking around by the way now that we've talked about the bible can i talk about my new favorite book yes dionetics have you heard of this book yes um i heard if you're really good at it they put you on a boat an org it's an org you get you be a part of an org a sea org and uh you get a jacket with like some metals fuck dude it's i I've said on this podcast a million times with my favorite Mark Twain quote Religion is what happened when the first con man Met the first fool And dude Like that's the problem with all this stuff is like This is The problem is there's too many versions Right?

[2636] So someone's wrong No the problem is people don't trust their fucking instincts And it's like drive all blames into oneself It's like I'm like This is your Nothing that I am seen in the New Testament Seems to be inviting you to throw your rational mind away it's the whole fucking thing is crazy it's crazy but it's like the invitation is to like you god gave you a rational fucking mind if there is a god and and like anyone telling you to discard that and and forego your interpretation for theirs yeah dude watch the fuck out this is your job like just like whatever the fucking thing is whether it's the Bible, Reddit conspiracy, fucking 4chan, whatever the fucking thing is, what are you afraid of?

[2637] Like, how, do you not trust your mind?

[2638] How weak are you?

[2639] Are you really afraid to, like, take data in?

[2640] Do you think you're like, you're going to be corrupted by data?

[2641] Well, isn't it also an identity thing?

[2642] Because if you identify as the person that gets a talk in front of everybody, you're the priest.

[2643] Right.

[2644] That's your identity.

[2645] And you're not going to give that up because then you're just another person who reads the Bible.

[2646] Yeah, dude.

[2647] Well, then Mike can go up, too.

[2648] Tomorrow, Mike's going to go up.

[2649] Mike's been trying at home, practicing in front of the mirror, and he thinks he's ready to priest to be a priest.

[2650] So why don't you let Mike try it tomorrow night?

[2651] And then Debbie's been reading a lot, too, and Debbie's like to try Tuesday.

[2652] And this guy's used to getting his jollies off three, four times a week, telling people about blasphemy.

[2653] Yeah.

[2654] Yeah.

[2655] And then, especially if you're like one of them tent revival guys, those wild dudes like Kinnison used to be.

[2656] Yeah.

[2657] Just carn artists, carn artists, that are also saying biblical quotes.

[2658] but they're manipulating people they're they're really good at talking they're hypnotizing people with their words just like you hypnotize a comedy audience dude this is why I listen to Christian radio man because like I don't you look at Jesus listening to sermons and recognizing like that's a joke like that's a he's done that lot like that's one of his gags I know that's a bit I know what that is that's a fucking but you know again it's like the comment section this is not an example of humanity it's an example of fucking people with toxoplasmosis who are you know what i mean motherfucker you know but isn't it also just an example of you're you're not going to have everyone be the same you're gonna have people that they'd never learned things well like look look if you if i got hired uh to be a part of some mathematical study.

[2659] I'm not, I'm useless, okay?

[2660] I'm not that guy, right?

[2661] That's, I fucked up that part of my life.

[2662] I never really learned that, didn't pay attention.

[2663] I'm not interested.

[2664] So that's not me. But someone out there is, right?

[2665] And to have those two things exist simultaneously, you're gonna have to have an infinite variety of possibilities for human beings.

[2666] So that's part of the problem.

[2667] Part of the problem is some people are just out of their fucking minds.

[2668] And if those people out of their fucking minds, get special rights like the tax -free exempt status because they're a pastor yeah and they're a fucking psychopath who's just really good at conning people and they're running this organization there might be a guy right down the street that's a real Christian there might be a guy right down the street that's a really kind person yeah he's really reading the the word of Christ and he does it not -for -profit yeah he does it to try to like establish the love of God in his community yeah and he takes these people in like their family and this beautiful community aspect to it where everybody's like kind to each other It's beautiful things to church.

[2669] Right.

[2670] That's true too.

[2671] But the problem is humans, just like the problem with our ability to other each other, just our problem with the ability to attack people on the other side of the political spectrum who live in the same fucking city as you.

[2672] Yeah.

[2673] Like people are fucking rabid against other people in their town that want to vote for this guy that wants to do this and this guy and this guy wants to do that and fuck you, you commie.

[2674] Yeah.

[2675] Everyone's going crazy.

[2676] Dude, I know.

[2677] It's just a human thing.

[2678] It's a tribal thing.

[2679] We are not yet cooked.

[2680] We are a fucking soft -boiled egg, baby.

[2681] And we're running.

[2682] Where is some eggs you get at the diner?

[2683] We go, oh, you see that fucking gelatin.

[2684] That's us.

[2685] That's us.

[2686] We're not all the way cooked.

[2687] Yeah.

[2688] And when you eat things that aren't all the way cooked, you've got a lot of fucking problems.

[2689] You're going to get sick.

[2690] Yeah.

[2691] But we're getting cooked, buddy.

[2692] We're getting microwaved.

[2693] We're going to get AI microwaved in about three years.

[2694] That's right, baby.

[2695] The fucking AI Messiah is coming, baby.

[2696] We are going to do a podcast, you and I, before this thing is done, before civilization slides into the ocean again.

[2697] You and I are going to do a podcast where we communicate with everyone with no words.

[2698] I know.

[2699] What's going to happen?

[2700] You're going to do it.

[2701] I'm going to do it.

[2702] We're going to be talking to each other with no words and we're talking to everyone else out there with no words too.

[2703] We're all going to be synced up.

[2704] It's just going to be a sea of ideas, exposing each other to other to other ideas and like considering other ideas with no attachment.

[2705] at all to your ego.

[2706] It's going to be super weird.

[2707] And then you know what's going to happen?

[2708] Alien's land.

[2709] No, we're going to look around and be like, wait, this doesn't look like the Rogan studio.

[2710] This is just like some weird fucking room.

[2711] And then a CIA agent is going to come in and be like, thank you so much for participating in the experiment.

[2712] And Trump will be on his fourth term.

[2713] No, it'll be the 60s.

[2714] And we'll realize we're in a fucking MK Ultra experiment.

[2715] That's probably true.

[2716] We've been rambling at each other for like what feels like a long time, like our whole lifetimes.

[2717] But it was like five seconds.

[2718] They're like, well, okay, thank you for trying out 7 -9, BLX, Y. Right.

[2719] We really appreciate it.

[2720] We're in a basement in Harvard right now.

[2721] Yeah.

[2722] Here's 20 bucks.

[2723] See ya.

[2724] Right.

[2725] And Jolly West is looking at us with a clipboard.

[2726] Duncan, I love you to death.

[2727] I love you, Joe.

[2728] You are the best.

[2729] It's always fun.

[2730] Always fun to get together.

[2731] Thank you for having me on, man. I love you to tears.

[2732] I love you.

[2733] All right.

[2734] Goodbye, everybody.

[2735] Bye.