Introducing ‘The Trojan Horse Affair’

[0] Hey, it's Michael.

[1] I want to tell you about a new show from serial productions and the New York Times.

[2] It's called The Trojan Horse Affair, and it's hosted by Brian Reed of Estown, and a doctor -turned journalist named Hamza Syed.

[3] It's a mystery that began when a strange letter appeared, laying out a supposed plot by Islamic extremists to infiltrate schools in Birmingham, England.

[4] This letter set off a national panic, led to multiple investigations, and to lifetime bans from the British education system.

[5] But no one could answer a simple question.

[6] Who wrote the letter?

[7] That's what Brian and Hamza tried to figure out.

[8] Take a listen to the first episode, and if you want to hear the entire series, search for the Trojan Horses.

[9] affair wherever you listen to podcasts.

[10] And thanks.

[11] This is my first story as a journalist.

[12] I hadn't planned for it to be my last story, but it probably will be, given what's happened in the years I've been working on this.

[13] It's about a letter that surfaced in my city and had huge consequences for Britain.

[14] This letter launched four government investigations, changed our national policy, and ended careers.

[15] It's hurt some of the country's most vulnerable.

[16] children.

[17] A letter that many people who've seen it agree is ridiculous.

[18] It's unsigned, undated.

[19] Doesn't it look like a serious document?

[20] It just seemed comical.

[21] I think, well, what the hell is this?

[22] I remember looking at some time thinking, what on earth is this?

[23] The infamous letter, was it written on parchment in blood?

[24] So you're presenting me with a document that turned our lives upside down?

[25] I first learned at the letter in 2014.

[26] I wasn't a journalist then.

[27] I was a doctor.

[28] I was a doctor who'd quit medicine, living in Birmingham, England, making my breakfast at 1pm, listening to the news, when I heard about the discovery of a secret communicate between Muslim extremists.

[29] They were discussing a plot to infiltrate our city schools and run them on strict Islamic principles, potentially with the aim of radicalizing students.

[30] Someone had forwarded the letter anonymously to the local government, the Burmian city council, but it was missing the first and last page.

[31] So it's unknown exactly who wrote it or who they were sending it to.

[32] According to the intercepted pages, the plot had a codename, Operation Trojan Horse.

[33] I have to admit, when this story about Muslims in Birmingham first broke, as a Muslim in Birmingham, I was alarmed.

[34] It sounded possible.

[35] Kids across Britain, across Europe were flying off to Syria to join this group called ISIS.

[36] And Birmingham has been home to quite a few terrorists.

[37] My neighbour was a terrorist.

[38] The guy who killed five people and then tried to run into parliament with a knife, he did his planning in a flat above the Persian restaurant across the street from me. So I wasn't surprised watching as over the next several months, Operation Trojan horse snowballed into a huge national story.

[39] A number of schools in Birmingham have been infiltrated by hardline Muslims.

[40] Headlines like Islamist plot, jihadist plot, and the government responded with full force.

[41] The prime minister got involved, convening his cabinet to discuss the threat.

[42] The national government sent in a bunch of investigators, including Scotland Yards, former head of counter -terrorism, to look into two dozen schools in majority Muslim areas of Birmingham.

[43] Like I say, it's all very frightening.

[44] Until, a few months later, when the various investigators finally started reporting their findings, that found no plot called Operation Trojan Horse.

[45] They'd seen no signs that anyone had been radicalized, no evidence of violence or planned violence.

[46] They didn't bring any terror charges against anyone working at the schools they'd looked into.

[47] But despite all of that, despite finding no plot, investigators still concluded that something terrible was happening in Birmingham schools.

[48] The letter helped them uncover that Muslims had influenced the schools in a dangerous way.

[49] Government officials snapped into action.

[50] Things that should not have happened in our schools were allowed to happen.

[51] Our children were exposed to things they should not have been exposed to.

[52] has been huge.

[53] Prime Minister David Cameron, as we said, is calling a special meeting of the government's extremism task force.

[54] Officials removed educators, revamped schools and renamed them.

[55] They mandated all schools in the country start teaching what they termed British values to make kids less susceptible to extremist ideas.

[56] They beefed up Britain's counter extremism laws by making public sector workers like teachers and doctors part of the state surveillance apparatus to now inform on their co -workers and students.

[57] students and patience.

[58] Today, if you stop someone on the streets of Britain and ask them what happened in Birmingham schools in 2014, if they follow the news, they'll likely tell you that a bunch of Muslims were up to no good.

[59] There is another version of this story, though.

[60] It's one less told and far less popular.

[61] That version of the Trojan Horse Affair is that nothing happened, that these bearded brown educators were set up and the nation fell for it.

[62] But it's always seemed to me that there's a simple way to figure out what really happened here.

[63] The letter.

[64] Even with all the government inquiries, no authority, none of the investigators ever figured out who wrote it.

[65] Remarkably, none of them even tried.

[66] And that, to me, seemed like a pretty glaring oversight.

[67] The reason the country was looking at these schools with suspicion, the reason they were investigating them at all, was because this dodgy letter showed up portraying the people who worked there as nefarious plotters, claiming they were sneaking Islam into schools like a Trojan horse.

[68] The letter is what put that idea in authorities' heads.

[69] So I didn't see how you could know what Operation Trojan Horse was or wasn't unless you got to the bottom of the Trojan Horse letter.

[70] Who wrote it and why?

[71] A few years later, I decided to go to school for investigative journalism.

[72] But my professor wasn't completely sold on a story I wanted to report from my student project, Operation Trojan Horse.

[73] This was investigative journalism.

[74] He wanted me to unearth something new, not rake over some years -old story.

[75] As a doctor, though, I'm familiar with the concept of a second opinion.

[76] So the night before my master's was set to start, I went looking for one.

[77] A doctor came to see me for a second opinion.

[78] One night, in fall 2017, I'm in a theater in Birmingham.

[79] After my podcast, S -Town came out, I went around doing some Q &A's.

[80] Afterwards, people will sometimes come backstage to chat.

[81] And so this guy comes in, introduces himself as Hamza Syed.

[82] He said he was changing careers to become a reporter.

[83] He was beginning a master's program in investigative journalism the next day, actually.

[84] And he wanted some advice.

[85] He was speaking fast, like I might walk away at any moment.

[86] To be fair, I was told that I had five minutes with Brian Reed, after which I'd be squirted out the building.

[87] I did not know that.

[88] Anyway, Hamza ran through the Trojan Horse story for me, elevator pitch style.

[89] I'd never heard of it, but a guy I was with backstage, a producer I know from the BBC, he had, and he jumped in as Hamza was talking.

[90] Yeah, yeah, Trojan Horse, he said.

[91] That was a big thing a while ago.

[92] Some bad stuff went down, Muslim educators had been up to no good.

[93] But it was cleared up.

[94] Old story.

[95] There was something Hamza said, though, which afterwards, I couldn't get out of my head.

[96] He kept talking about a letter, which had set off this whole cascade.

[97] of consequences, whose origins were still a mystery.

[98] So when I got home to New York, I read the letter.

[99] It looked like a caricature of a missive between two terrorists, filled with Islamophobic tropes about conniving and scheming Muslims.

[100] Its missing pages, parts of it are too dark to read, like it got jammed in the Xerox machine.

[101] It instructs the recipient to destroy it after reading.

[102] It struck me as a funky document for a government to take seriously, especially because from what I read the government hadn't even looked into who wrote the letter or why.

[103] There was a strange lack of curiosity about this instigating document.

[104] I thought to myself, it seems like somebody should try to figure out who wrote that thing.

[105] And then I thought, well, wait, this journalism student's doing that.

[106] Maybe I had to give him a hand.

[107] And here we are, years later, at the end of a dizzying, farcical, and enraging investigation, in which one mystery led to another, led to another, tracing this letter's path of destruction across multiple continents.

[108] In defiance of many unhappy officials and some aggressive attempts to shut our reporting down.

[109] From serial productions and the New York Times, I'm Brian Reed.

[110] I'm Hamza Said.

[111] Presenting to you the most elaborate student project ever.

[112] This is the Trojan Horse Affair.

[113] I got the call from Brian while I was in class.

[114] My phone started ringing from a New York number.

[115] I asked my professor if I could take it.

[116] He said no. I asked if I could go use the toilet.

[117] He said yes.

[118] I answered, and Brian told me he wanted in on my investigation, but that I would need a producer.

[119] I said, yeah, sure, or casual.

[120] I had no idea what a producer did.

[121] Soon, he started getting in touch with missions for me to complete.

[122] First one, he'd secured a recorder for me in Birmingham and said there was something I had to do.

[123] It was supposed to be a basic bread -and -butter assignment.

[124] Go record a meeting.

[125] Hamza had seen an event advertised called Trojan Horse the Facts, where some of the educators who have been accused of carrying out the plot would be speaking publicly.

[126] They insisted the Trojan Horse affair was just an Islamophobic stitch -up.

[127] The event hashtag was Trojan hoax, and they were trying to clear their names.

[128] They'd never gotten their lives back on track after the story died down.

[129] They'd lost their jobs and been made into pariah.

[130] by the national media.

[131] But afterwards, Hamza calls me and says, when he showed up at the spot, a community center at 5 p .m., the receptionist told him, it's been canceled.

[132] The event's been canceled.

[133] Did they give you any – well, wait, did they give you any other information?

[134] Like, what did it?

[135] No, they said it's been canceled, and that was it.

[136] I said, no, this is – you know, I spoke to the event organizer a few days ago.

[137] They said, yeah, I got canceled today.

[138] So I felt like an idiot, to be honest, because I stand there with this big, you know, mic stand that looks like a fishing rod, I got my box of equipment.

[139] This can't be a good omen, I thought, to mess up your first journalism assignment.

[140] But then, more people start showing up, confused, like me, until a man in one of those safety vests swings around the corner, tells us to follow him, and takes us up the street to a wedding hall where everyone was gathering instead.

[141] It's a lot of people, maybe over a hundred.

[142] And as I explained to Brian, while I'm setting up the microphone, I start catching all the whispers in terms of what happened.

[143] And it turned out that the original venue had received phone calls from the national newspaper, specifically this guy, Nick Timothy.

[144] He's like a reporter or a publisher?

[145] What is he?

[146] He's a columnist, I think, for the Telegraph.

[147] And not just any old columnist.

[148] Nick Timothy used to be the chief of staff to the prime minister.

[149] He was essentially Theresa May's right -hand man. I spoke to the guy who ran the community center, who told me Nick Timothy had actually emailed, not called.

[150] He wouldn't let me see the email.

[151] but according to others at the meeting, the implication was, if you hold this event, I will associate you with extremists in the newspaper.

[152] And that worked, the community centre pulled the plug, and Nick Timothy published a triumphant column, which I'd missed because I was on YouTube all day, watching instructional videos on how to use my recorder, in which he confirmed his paper had gotten the event cancelled, and wrote that the proposed meeting was, quote, a shocking attempt to deny the Trojan horse scandal.

[153] And, quote, the people behind the Trojan Horse are trying to do it all over again and right under our noses.

[154] Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Trojan Horse or Hoax, the discussion and debate.

[155] So here there were, the teachers and school volunteers, allegedly behind Operation Trojan Horse, along with their defenders, academics and activists, and an educational barrister and a union leader, packed in this wedding hall instead.

[156] I am really, really concerned that simply holding a public open meeting like this becomes controversial.

[157] Just the fact we are holding this meeting seems to be an act of resistance right now.

[158] The people at this meeting called for an inquiry to correct the record on the Trojan Horse Affair.

[159] They believe the government had set them up.

[160] So the fact that a former chief of staff to the prime minister, Nick Timothy, went out of his way to attack a grassroots event at a community center years after the Trojan Horse affair.

[161] It just reinforced their suspicion.

[162] And mine, quite honestly, that there was something dodgy, that authorities were still keen to hide.

[163] And then it was like a witch hunt.

[164] The heads were rolling this way and that way.

[165] Hamza sent me the recording of the meeting.

[166] I listened to it, and I was interested to hear that one of the people who got on stage and spoke was the man named repeatedly in the Trojan Horse letter as the mastermind of Operation Trojan Horse.

[167] The plot's alleged ringleader, a longtime school volunteer named Tahir Alam.

[168] I've never been a danger to anyone.

[169] I've never hurt anyone.

[170] I've never have any police case against me or anything of the kind.

[171] I wasn't running a plot.

[172] You know, we are very proud of what we did in this school.

[173] I do not regret nor apologize for anything that I've done.

[174] There was nothing clandestine, hidden or sinister about what we were doing.

[175] We're very open and very transparent.

[176] So when I landed in Birmingham to begin reporting, that's who we decided to go to first, to hear Alam.

[177] We figured we're looking to find the source of this mysterious letter.

[178] Might as well start with the guide -outed as an extremist plotter.

[179] Is this about to be the first radio interview you've ever done?

[180] Yeah.

[181] I need to be schooled beforehand, man. What do you mean?

[182] Like, how so?

[183] Well, I mean, if this was me flying solo, I'd be like, well, whatever, I'll do it, my style, you know.

[184] But this is, this is, you know.

[185] And what is your style?

[186] Do you have a style?

[187] I don't know.

[188] I feel like I'm a lot.

[189] How many of these have you done?

[190] None.

[191] But I have an idea in my head of what my style could be.

[192] I think you're a lot more sensitive than I am, put it that way.

[193] Do you know?

[194] I'm the more sensitive one.

[195] I think so, don't you think so?

[196] I don't know.

[197] I don't know you that well.

[198] I wonder what we're wearing.

[199] Salam, Dair.

[200] Hello.

[201] Ill -fitting button -down shirt, cackies.

[202] Welcome.

[203] Thank you.

[204] We're going to be in that room there.

[205] This room?

[206] We kick off our shoes.

[207] He shows us to a room at the front of his place.

[208] Sorry, you have to sit on slightly uncomfortable chairs.

[209] Hams and I squeeze behind two school desks meant for children.

[210] There are protractors lying around, a whiteboard with sketches of geometric shapes, a creative writing workbook titled Descriptosaurus.

[211] Tahir has converted this room from his garage into a tiny makeshift classroom, where it appears he tutors students quietly, because one result of the Trojan Horse Letter is that the government has banned him from ever volunteering or working officially in schools again.

[212] to hear's in front of us in his office chair, confident, erudite, framed by his bookshelf, filled with texts about Islam and British history.

[213] I pull a copy of the letter out of my backpack.

[214] You know, it's a completely anonymous letter, undated, claiming that there is a plot to take over and Islamize the schools in Birmingham, led by Tahir Alam, which is myself.

[215] But I speak from a vantage point where I actually know the truth.

[216] I know the reality.

[217] Tahir denies being an extremist.

[218] He denies engineering a plot.

[219] He says the reality is that rather than corrupting schools as a radical conspirator, he, a first -generation immigrant from a poor Pakistani family, was responsible for one of the most miraculous school turnarounds in British education.

[220] Until, he says, the letter arrived and destroyed him.

[221] The story of this turnaround, it's not a secret.

[222] It's one Tahir shared with journalists before, not that it's done much good in terms of clearing its name.

[223] But this backstory does explain why the Trojan Horse Ladder was so persuasive.

[224] Because The Hare told us some of what was in that letter was true.

[225] The Hare begins a story one night in 1993 when he's watching TV and a show caught his attention.

[226] I just happened to be just lying on the sofa really and the program came on.

[227] It was a documentary, Part of the BBC series, Panorama.

[228] Nine times out of ten, I would switch to something else.

[229] But I was just sitting there and I started watching.

[230] Britain's new underclass is Asian and its Muslim.

[231] A once tight lunate community is now in crisis, with drug abuse, crime and family breakdown on the increase.

[232] And the title of this documentary was Underclass in Perda.

[233] In tonight's Panorama, we investigate an underclass in Perda.

[234] Perda meaning.

[235] you know, cover, meaning a veil, if you like, underclass in the veil, yeah?

[236] In tonight's program, we lift the veil on this new underclass.

[237] The documentary opens with shots of brown men skulking around dark, cobblestone streets in a Muslim neighbourhood in what the correspondent calls the Muslim ghetto.

[238] At night, it doubles as the local red light district.

[239] It's a seedy world of vice and illicit drug dealing.

[240] Lurking in the shadows is a new Manningham phenomenon, the Pakistani pimp.

[241] He's like a regular pimp, but in a Kurtha.

[242] Part of the documentary takes place in Tahir's neighbourhood in Birmingham, called Alam Rock, on the east side of the city.

[243] It's one of the poorest areas in England, and it's majority of Pakistani and Muslim.

[244] If you're not from Birmingham and you're not brown, you may have heard that Alamrock is a great place to find a terrorist.

[245] If you're not from Birmingham and you are brown, you'll have heard Al -Maroc is a great place to find a wedding dress.

[246] Admittedly, this BBC documentary is racist in a 90s TV kind of way, but it had a big impact on Tahir, because amidst the awkward brown gazing, some truly sobering facts emerge.

[247] The presenter reports that Pakistani Muslims are incarcerated at disproportionately high rates.

[248] She says they have some of the highest rates of joblessness.

[249] They're suffering from devastating health issues, terrible housing, domestic violence, with one underlying cause of it all.

[250] A lack of education.

[251] This is the number I found most shocking.

[252] About 20 % of white students were leaving school without any qualifications, meaning they failed to pass the exams that would essentially be the equivalent of a high school diploma in the US.

[253] And that rate, 20%, was roughly the same for most people of colour as well.

[254] But for Pakistanis and Bangladeshis, an astonishing 50 % hold no qualifications whatsoever.

[255] 50 % half of us were basically failing school.

[256] That hit the hair hard.

[257] That the extent of education failure was so bad that we were at risk of creating an underclass of Muslims who were basically uneducated, prone to crime and unemployment.

[258] So I kind of sat there and it made me feel guilty actually.

[259] The guilt because I was one of the few people who made it from my family, one of the first ones to make it into university and to have a good job and so on.

[260] But there was also a sense of humiliation, really, because I was from this community.

[261] The Hare's family brought him to England in the 70s, when lots of people from Kashmir were moving here, largely because the British design is huge dam that flooded swaths of land and displaced tens of thousands of people.

[262] And one solution that Brits got behind was to invite displaced Pakistanis over to England so they could improve the British economy by working in British factories and mills, which is what the Hears Dad did.

[263] The Hear arrived in England as a nine -year -old who didn't speak any English and wouldn't become fluent for several years.

[264] I knew one word of English only, which was F -O -R -D.

[265] I mean, I don't know X, Y, Z, but I know F -O -R -D, that's it.

[266] I couldn't speak any English when I first came.

[267] I came here.

[268] I couldn't even speak forward.

[269] I was just like mute.

[270] Football.

[271] That's what I knew football.

[272] That's right.

[273] So that's how you arrived here.

[274] And the first school, when I came here, we arrived in the country.

[275] It's growing up angry and alienated from white society.

[276] Now they're here watched as a documentary captured the next generation.

[277] Pakistani kids who were born in Britain, being educated in state schools, still struggling to read, not able to recall basic English words.

[278] The camera cuts to a park in Birmingham.

[279] He looked at the hear like Ward End Park, which is right across from where he went to school in Elam Rock.

[280] I recognised the park because he used to go and play there.

[281] And then I saw some children and I said, oh, that's her neighbour's children.

[282] I recognise the kids here, even though he was from a distance, but I recognise who the kids are.

[283] We filmed an encounter with two Asian lads in a park in a Muslim quarter of Birmingham.

[284] These Asian lads, we use Asian to mean South Asian, by the way.

[285] They're skipping school, and Tahir knew which school they were skipping.

[286] It was the one he'd gone to as a kid, right next to that park, Parkview School, another majority Muslim school with miserable academic results.

[287] It's a secondary school, ages 11 to 16.

[288] It was a school where Thahir had done well enough to make it to college and then university before getting a good job in telecommunications.

[289] The documentary made him realize how rare his success was and how little he'd done with it.

[290] So Tahir decided to do something.

[291] He started a tutoring program for kids in the neighborhood, but what he was really interested in was volunteering at his old school, Parkview, on what's known as their governing body.

[292] In England, a governing body oversees how a school is run, like a corporate board does a company.

[293] It's sort of like a school board in the U .S. except it's specific to one school.

[294] They can have a lot of influence.

[295] So anyway, Tahr says one afternoon, a couple of Parkview parents he didn't know, knocked on his door.

[296] We hear you're interested in becoming a governor, they said.

[297] It was like they'd read his mind, though actually, Tahrir had been talking about wanting to be a governor at a recent wedding, and these parents got wind of it.

[298] Resentment and frustration had been festering for years among parents in Alam Rock, who've been trying and trying to get the authorities to do something about the dismal schools.

[299] These parents at Tahr's door had joined the Parkview governing body in an attempt to make a change, but they didn't speak fluent English and hadn't gone to university.

[300] DeHare was a professional with a degree.

[301] who still lived in the neighborhood.

[302] We'd love to propose you, they told him.

[303] And with that, Toir found himself at the next governing body meeting of Parkview School, being voted in not only as a member, but as the chair.

[304] So that's when I became a governor on the 7th of January, 1997.

[305] You remember the date?

[306] Yeah, well, I was to remain there for 18 years.

[307] When Toir started, Parkview was one of the worst secondary schools in the country.

[308] Only 4 % of students were passing.

[309] 4%.

[310] The National School Inspection Agency had recently placed the school into special measures, the lowest possible ranking, an emergency status, basically, meaning Parkview was in danger of being shut down.

[311] There were brawls breaking out in the schoolyard.

[312] On a tour of the building, Tahir saw vandalized bathrooms with stalls missing locks and toilets missing seats.

[313] But where Tohir really trained his focus was on the complacent teachers and administrators.

[314] We initially just started by saying that obviously children should be achieving higher, that the achievement was not acceptable, and the fact that the school was to blame for the failure.

[315] This statement, so obvious to Tohir, that the kids in Alam Rock were as capable as kids anywhere, was met with massive resistance.

[316] It was very difficult getting the school to accept that they were the problem.

[317] People didn't want to accept that, because they were, they've been blaming the community for maybe two decades.

[318] They had such a low expectation of children.

[319] One thing to hear noticed early on was that the staff of this school with nearly 90 % Pakistani students had only one full -time Pakistani Muslim teacher.

[320] So Tahrir began searching for more Muslim staff and governors.

[321] He gave presentations, held workshops.

[322] He became a fixture at events around East Birmingham, standing behind his little table or booth, evangelizing for people to get involved in their local schools.

[323] I loved it.

[324] I loved it with the children because I felt I could make a difference.

[325] This is Maz Hussein, the first Muslim teacher to hear hired.

[326] He taught math.

[327] I could use my language, my background, my understanding of where they come from, to make a difference.

[328] I knew their families.

[329] Maz can point to a specific moment, by the way, when he decided to go into teaching.

[330] There's a panorama program.

[331] It's called an underclass in Pardah.

[332] Powerful segment.

[333] Maus Hussein says from the very beginning, he encountered serious prejudices among the mostly white staff.

[334] I had a group of children come to me and they said, look, there's his one teacher in school.

[335] He always calls us Pachies.

[336] He's calling us Pachies.

[337] He's doing it in a jokey way, but we find it offensive.

[338] They're not able to tell anyone else, but they're telling me that, look, he's swearing at us.

[339] That's a slur in any context, but it's especially shocking for a teacher to say to Pakistani students.

[340] Most all them, I think the best thing to do, have your parents write the school.

[341] He talked them through the procedure for doing that in case their parents don't know.

[342] He says eventually the school looked into the teacher's behavior.

[343] And while you're investigating, he resigned and he gave his final leaving speech in the staff room and goes, it should be our culture dominant in this school, not the kids.

[344] And he finish off with the words, the West is the best.

[345] And all teachers clapped.

[346] All teachers clapped.

[347] The racism was pervasive.

[348] Roswan Faraz, a former governor and math teacher, says at one of his first governing body meetings.

[349] He was shown a list of places the students had been given work placements through a program at the school.

[350] And it was all restaurants, supermarkets, clothing stores.

[351] And there was no surgery, doctor surgery, or a law firm or anything like that.

[352] And I said, you know, how is it that, like, did the children decide these?

[353] And Roswan says the vice chair told him.

[354] Well, their parents want them to go and become.

[355] doctors and engineers and etc but reality is these kids will become taxi drivers shopkeepers so we've got to prepare them now and for a good while I was struggling to process what he was saying this is me a brown person and a Muslim and he's saying to me that they deserve to have these kind of jobs this is this community's role in society that's right we just failed the kids we just failed the kids and didn't even feel bad about it.

[356] We didn't even feel guilty.

[357] John Brockley was one of the non -Muslim teachers at Parkview.

[358] He was a math teacher who'd been there since the 80s.

[359] He was frank with us about the bigotry that he and his colleagues held towards the students and their families.

[360] We thought that we were a superior culture and we looked down.

[361] We looked down on these.

[362] people who didn't know about education.

[363] You're talking about yourself here?

[364] I'm talking about myself, but I'm also talking about, you know, many of the people that I work with.

[365] The teacher's attitudes are documented, by the way.

[366] A former head teacher of Parkview, a head teacher is what we Americans call a principal, did a master's thesis while he was at the school, for which he collected opinions from the staff, including from John, as to why Muslim children were drastically underperforming compared to their peers.

[367] In the thesis, teachers say the kids' parents are ignorant, wrongly claim the students don't speak English.

[368] The teachers try for a while, one teacher said, but end up feeling like, who gives a damn?

[369] That's a quote.

[370] It makes John cringe to think back on it.

[371] It's only when you move away from a situation like that, you can realize how awful it is.

[372] I don't normally think about this sort of thing, because it's too embarrassing.

[373] Once we created the shift in the belief of the teachers, then the job became much easier.

[374] The hear says by the early 2000s, Parkview was changing.

[375] The school began taking basic but transformative steps, setting individualized achievement targets for each student that followed them from year to year and preparing students for qualifying exams, which amazingly hadn't happened before.

[376] School started awarding trophies for good marks, inviting parents to ceremonies when their kids did well.

[377] The hair and the governor's hired a new head teacher, a non -Muslim from a girl's school, who embraced Parkview's new aspirations.

[378] Test scores started to rise, students were heading to college, Parkview's reputation was turning around.

[379] But there were other changes to the Hare Institute at Parkview, which later, officials would view a suspect.

[380] Changes that investigators would point to as a trademark of Operation Trojan Horse.

[381] That's coming up.

[382] You don't get labeled the leader of an extremist conspiracy, simply by raising test scores at your neighborhood secondary school.

[383] The main accusation against Tahir alam, the overarching assertion of the Trojan horse letter, which the government supported and which is defined Tahir's reputation since then, is that he was Islamizing schools.

[384] This is not a word I'm particularly fond of, Islamize, because Islamized in relation to what?

[385] Some assumed non -Islamic baseline?

[386] Has this story been Islamized by Hamza's involvement?

[387] Yes.

[388] It's a word that isn't inherently negative, but gets you.

[389] use that way.

[390] Anyway, that's what the letter said to hear was doing, Islamizing schools.

[391] And funnily enough, it's also what Tahir says he was doing.

[392] We were valuing the cultural and the faith background of the children, and we were allowing that to be expressed, if you like.

[393] We catered four children so they could perform their, you know, daytime prayers if they wanted to.

[394] We made a prayer facility available for them in a room.

[395] Religious accommodations like this are legal in British schools, by the way, whether they're explicitly designated as a religious school or not, which Parkview wasn't.

[396] It was the equivalent of a regular public school in the U .S. And since 98 % of the children happen to be of the Islamic faith background, we obviously are catering for the constituency that the school serves in line with the regulatory requirements.

[397] To hear ascribe to an educational philosophy that the way he and other Parkview staff talk about it reminds me of Afrocentric or black excellence schools in the U .S. that students will do better academically when their schools incorporate and celebrate who they are.

[398] And there's research that backs us up.

[399] So under Tahir's leadership, Parkview allowed students to pray if they wanted.

[400] They installed facilities for wudu, the ablutions you do before prayers.

[401] They celebrated Ramadan and altered the schedule during that month to facilitate fasting.

[402] They served halal food.

[403] And I felt that, you know, this was our school.

[404] I mean, we were proud to say that this is our school.

[405] We wanted our children to say that this was their school and that they were proud of it.

[406] In the wake of the Trojan horse letter, government officials would declare that the way Ther and his colleagues were running Parkview school had undermined, quote -unquote, British values, that they were limiting the children's ability to thrive in modern Britain.

[407] Which is an interesting charge to bring against Ther because I have to say, I haven't personally met in English -Pakistani more confident that he's British than Therheir.

[408] Deciding whether or not to call yourself British is a frail and personal thing for us, speaking for myself, I came to England when I was eight and became a British citizen with a British passport.

[409] Even though I have a British education, went to British University, worked for Britain's National Health Service, I didn't call myself British.

[410] I was never precious about nationality, so I didn't really care what I was called.

[411] But sure, I'd also picked up on the subliminal messaging that in order to be proper British, you had to be white.

[412] The heir, on the other hand, not only calls himself British, but does so proudly.

[413] I got to talk into the hair by this one day.

[414] He and Brian and I were getting tea at my favorite chai shop on Alamrak Road.

[415] This is the hangout.

[416] And as we sat outside in one of the main thoroughfares of Islamic Britain, around the corner from where Thayahir grew up, with double -decker buses passing by sweet shops and fabric stores and halal chippies, I told him my reason for why I'd finally, only recently, started calling myself British.

[417] So for a long time I never called myself British.

[418] I was about 30.

[419] I'd been reading a book about the British Empire.

[420] And I learned how rich India, which at the time included Pakistan, was, According to some economists, before the Brits took control.

[421] I believe the statistic is roughly it controlled about 24 % or something like that of the world's economy at the time.

[422] 23 % of world's economy.

[423] It's a richest nation in the world.

[424] 24 % of the world's economy is roughly what the US controls today.

[425] I know this is somewhat of an apples and oranges comparison because the world wasn't organized into a globalized economy back then.

[426] But it does show how rich India was in relation to other countries at the time.

[427] When the British left the Indian subcontinent, after some 200 years of economic exploitation, India and Pakistan were among the poorest nations in the world.

[428] I didn't learn this stuff in school because Britain's colonisation of a quarter of the planet is not a compulsory part of the national curriculum, which is why I only discovered it as an adult, that so much of the wealth I saw in Britain, was actually extracted from the place I come from.

[429] So from that point I've started calling myself British.

[430] I was just like, well, I'm British.

[431] I own this country.

[432] This is my money with which you have raised everything around me. Yeah, so, I mean, that's very similar to the position I'm arrived at.

[433] Except for me, proclaiming I'm British is somewhat a finger in the eye.

[434] For the here, it's sincere.

[435] It also came to him later in life.

[436] He says, he was at an event held by a British Muslim organization.

[437] And they began saying, very clearly, you're never going back to Pakistan.

[438] Your children are never going to move back.

[439] It's not going to happen.

[440] That's what you had been thinking up to that point.

[441] Yeah, because our parents spoke like that to us.

[442] Our homes are in Pakistan, we are Pakistani.

[443] Our parents spoke to us like that.

[444] My father never told me we are British because that's not what he felt.

[445] You've lived in Pakistan most of his life.

[446] Why would he say that?

[447] The people at this event were saying, you live here now.

[448] We were part of this country and that it was important as Muslims we should benefit to this country.

[449] So ever since then, I've been kind of dissing the idea that we are other, that we are outsiders, that we don't belong here.

[450] Islam is part of religion It's not alien I don't accept that Can you see So this is why So for the here Not only was incorporating Islam into the school An academic strategy It was also a British value It was really nice for me That I'm doing something at home And now my school is happening I didn't want to have a different life at school Like if I'm praying at home I want to pray out of school too These are two students Who graduated from Parkview in 2014 We're not using their names because such is the stink of the Trojan horse scandal.

[451] They don't want potential employers to know where they went to school.

[452] They actually keep it off their resumes.

[453] When Hamz and I met them, four years after they graduated, they were both studying law at university, some of the first in their families to go on to higher education.

[454] They've been best friends since school, the kind of friends who don't need words to communicate.

[455] Are you talking about, yeah.

[456] I don't know if I should...

[457] We're telepathic, basically.

[458] The students told us about these assemblies they would have in the mornings, which included religious teachings and sometimes prayer.

[459] This is something that as an American made me do a double -take when I first heard about it.

[460] The idea of teachers in a public school leading prayers during an assembly is not normal to us.

[461] But in Britain, there's no separation between church and state.

[462] The queen is head of both.

[463] So not only is prayer allowed in schools, some form of worship is legally mandated in all schools that are publicly funded.

[464] Schools don't always adhere to.

[465] this, but students are supposed to take part in what's called a daily act of collective worship.

[466] By default, it's supposed to be broadly Christian in character, but schools can apply to change it to other faiths if that better suits their students, which is what Parkview did.

[467] It got approval for its worship to be Islamic.

[468] The students told us at Parkview's assemblies they would sit in the main hall and a teacher would tell parables or lessons, usually from Islam, but other faiths too.

[469] Do you guys remember actually learning things in assemblies or did they make you think or were they just kind of boring teachers blah blah blah blah like you know i really know i really enjoy those assemblies because um i didn't learn this from anywhere else like they still remember this one assembly all these years later about charity talking about charity and they say when you're giving charity put your hand in your pocket and take out don't look at how much you give in just put it in don't count what you're giving and what you have left because when you give you receive tenfold yeah and charity does not make you poor poor quite literally like sometimes when i like see somebody who's like asking for many things like that i'll put my hand in and in my place i'll take it out and i'll take it out and i don't look at once i do i do that all the time just because i remember that one teacher he literally said it like that like that gave so that you left hand doesn't even know what your right hand gave yeah yeah when the hair became chair of parkview's governing body in 1997 four percent of students were passing by 2010 that number was 71%.

[470] A 17 -fold increase.

[471] We had not changed the children.

[472] We had not changed the parents, but slowly but surely we took the results so that they were consistently in the 70s, which means the school actually is kind of guaranteeing an outcome.

[473] Parkview was now actively preparing its students for the eventuality that their academic success would lead them out of East Birmingham.

[474] Something that a lot of teachers said to me, you live in a bubble.

[475] Again, the formal part of you students.

[476] And I was like, what do you mean?

[477] They were like, you live in an Asian community, you go to an Asian school, you're very safe, you don't know what it's like to branch out.

[478] I remember we learned about the population and how it's divided in UK.

[479] And I think it was something like 2 % of the population in the UK is Asian.

[480] And I was like, wow, only 2%.

[481] I was like, 2%.

[482] How is it 2 %?

[483] Like, everybody I know is Asian.

[484] Every person that I've come across is proud.

[485] How is that possible?

[486] So it was so odd.

[487] The UK is actually 2 % Pakistani, 7 % Asian.

[488] But point being, there was a vast majority of the population that these students and their classmates were not bumping into day -to -day in Alam Rock.

[489] The school organised visits to Cambridge University.

[490] They took them on camping trips.

[491] They visited the houses of Parliament in London.

[492] Some students went on a week -long trip on a sailboat with kids from all over, including a bunch of white kids.

[493] Apparently, we weren't used to mingling with people who were not Pakistani, so they were exposing us to you guys.

[494] Okay?

[495] You're looking at me?

[496] This is what they were preparing for us for.

[497] Parents clamoured to get their kids into Parkview.

[498] The school had a waiting list.

[499] We were given all kinds of accolades nationally in the press.

[500] We had officials coming in and out of our school, really.

[501] They're saying, what are you doing?

[502] You know, perhaps we can learn something.

[503] And they invited us, actually, that why don't you support other schools?

[504] The heir became well regarded in education circles.

[505] And over the years, he expanded his reach beyond Parkview.

[506] He was certified as an inspector for Ofsted, the agency that monitors and raid schools in Britain.

[507] The Bowman City Council hired him to train other governors throughout the city.

[508] The National Department for Education even asked the hare and his colleagues of Parkview to take over to other troubled schools in East Birmingham, which they did.

[509] The heir was invited to tea at Ten Downing Street and met Prime Minister Tony Blair.

[510] Back in Birmingham, though, some people resented him.

[511] He had made enemies of a lot of schools in the head, yeah?

[512] He became, like, hated amongst a lot of people.

[513] Mars Hussein, who became Parkview's acting head teacher around this time, was the full support of Tahir's.

[514] But still, he and other former colleagues told us they wished the here was a bit more circumspect in the way he went around to other schools, advocating for reform.

[515] He was self -assured, blunt, and particularly unsparing what lay enough for headteachers and other school leaders the way their schools were failing Muslim students.

[516] To tell other schools, look, puff, you can do it, puff, you can do it, pop, you can do it.

[517] Same family, same children that you've got, they can do it, that's not an excuse.

[518] We used to tell Tyro off for this a lot.

[519] Stop using us as a beating statistic because it's isolating us amongst other schools.

[520] He was actually pointing the finger and saying directly Two, head teachers, you're not doing a good enough job here for these kids.

[521] Jackie Hughes used to be in charge of school improvement for the Birmingham City Council.

[522] And she says she can name head teachers that she knows the her made enemies with.

[523] Many of them were used to having the final word on academics.

[524] And then here was to hear, as volunteer with no professional teaching experience, waltzing in and criticizing their work.

[525] I mean, actually, people come to me and say, I can't understand why you give Ty here the time of day.

[526] He's a terrible man. He said to me, blah, blah, blah, blah, and they would go sounding off.

[527] Colleagues and friends warned the hair.

[528] You might want to consider softening your approach, but the hair wasn't having it.

[529] You have to fight for justice.

[530] Justice is not going to be handed to you on the plate.

[531] You know, you have to make space for yourself.

[532] So the fact that some people may not be okay with that is irrelevant to me. You know, that's their problem.

[533] In 2012, Parkview received the ultimate validation.

[534] in what was probably its proudest moment in Tahir's nearly 18 years there.

[535] Officers had arrived for an inspection and deemed the school outstanding, the highest rating possible.

[536] Among the many things the inspectors praised at Parkview were the, quote, wide range of opportunities for spiritual development, including voluntary Friday prayers.

[537] In his time, as chair of governors, Tahir had taken Parkview from the lowest ranking, the verge of closure, to the very top.

[538] The person in charge of Ofsted, the chief inspector said, quote, Every school in the country should be like this.

[539] Less than two years later, on November 27, 2013, an envelope arrived on the desk of the leader of Birmingham City Council, a man named Sir Albert Bohr.

[540] Inside was a cover sheet addressed to him, marked very important, confidential.

[541] Mr. Bohr, it said.

[542] This letter was found when I was clearing my boss's files, and I think you should be aware that I am shocked at what your officers are doing.

[543] You have seven days to investigate this matter, after which it will be sent to a national newspaper, who I'm sure will treat it seriously.

[544] Sincerely, A .N. Anonymous, presumably.

[545] Behind that note was the Trojan horse letter, four poorly copied pages, shadows at the edges, instructions to destroy after reading.

[546] The letter was written as if from a collaborator of Tahir's, describing a conspiracy Tahir had been running to take over and Islamize schools by deception.

[547] It took weeks for Tahir to learn about it.

[548] He heard rumors there was a mysterious letter making its way around Birmingham, around the city council and to head teachers in town, which named him as the orchestrator of a plot.

[549] One of Tahir's friends rushed to his house to tell him that he'd been getting a haircut over on Washwood Heath Road and afterwards his friend's barber had beckoned him into the back room of the shop and showed him a copy.

[550] to hear did not know what to make of it finally he got a hold of the document himself you know obviously i was thinking what is the source of this letter who wrote this letter why was this letter written is what's ringing in my head the front page was missing so there was no dear whoever it just started as if it had been going on for a page or more already and the letter ended mid -sentence two with the phrase i would also like so there's no sign -off which meant to here couldn't tell exactly who it was supposed to be to or front -sendez But whoever wrote the letter said explicitly, Tahir and I. It's supposed to be from somebody who knows me well in Birmingham, and he's talking to somebody in Bradford.

[551] Another British city that's home to a lot of Muslims.

[552] He's talking about to hear what he's done here, we can do it over there.

[553] And he's your friend or your associate or she, whoever it is, yeah.

[554] Can you keep reading just the first few paragraphs?

[555] Okay, Operation Trojan Horse has been carefully thought through and is tried and tested within Birmingham.

[556] Tahir and I will be happy to support your efforts in Bradford.

[557] This is a long -term plan and one which we are sure will lead to great success in taking over a number of schools and ensuring that they are run on the strict Islamic principles.

[558] In Birmingham, the benefits...

[559] The main tactic of Operation Trojan Horse is to target head teachers at the schools you want to take control of, to make their lives so miserable that they'll resign or else be fired, at which point you can install your own people who will implant Islamic extremism in the school.

[560] The author gives several examples of schools in Birmingham where Tahir and his cronies were supposedly in the middle of doing this.

[561] We have caused a great amount of organized disruption in Birmingham, the letter says, and are on the way to getting rid of more head teachers and taking over their schools.

[562] While sometimes the practices we use may not seem the correct way to do things, you must remember that this is a jihad, and as such, using all means possible to win the war is acceptable.

[563] What was your feeling or your attitude?

[564] Were you laughing at it?

[565] Were you actually kind of taking it seriously and frightened?

[566] I mean, the claims, I wasn't laughing actually because I knew the serious nature of the allegations that were being made.

[567] But as far as the claims that themselves were concerned, they were laughable.

[568] So I knew that there was something not right about what was going on here.

[569] Toir contacted the Birmingham City Council, where the letter was first sent.

[570] He'd done training for them for years.

[571] And I said, look, I work for you, and this letter apparently is going around, claiming certain things, and I'm surprised that you haven't spoken to me to at least to get my view on the matter, at least ask me to explain, or if I know anything, or whatever, or something.

[572] And the gentleman there actually from the city council, he said, Mr. Alam, to be very honest with you, we don't think anything of the letter.

[573] We think it's a completely bogus hoax letter.

[574] and we don't believe there is any truth in it and therefore we didn't take any action we didn't do anything with it did you feel reassured by that or how do you?

[575] Not really no because then the letter began to be printed in the national media as well someone leaked the letter to the Sunday Times of London and from there it became a frenzy one story turned to two turned to dozens in the daily mail the telegraphed the spectators Sky TV many of them giving credence to the letter, saying that extremists like Tahir had allegedly been infiltrating UK schools for years.

[576] Reporters camped outside Parkview.

[577] They stalked the hair down the street.

[578] We tried to put these allegations to the academy's chair of governors.

[579] But Tahir Alam...

[580] Turned about his house.

[581] Hello.

[582] Hello, Mr. Alam.

[583] Mr. Lann.

[584] Hello.

[585] The government kicked into care too.

[586] Investigators warned Parkview.

[587] Offstead, the school inspector, arrived for two surprise inspections.

[588] And then we had the Education Funding Agency investigation, which was about 10 days, I think.

[589] They were in there for 10 days.

[590] And soon as they left, we had the PWC.

[591] Pricewaterhouse Groupers, a big outside auditing firm.

[592] Looking into the financial affairs of the school.

[593] So then we had them for four or five weeks in the school as well.

[594] I said, what are you looking for?

[595] I said, what are you looking for?

[596] you've been here three weeks?

[597] You must have a family.

[598] There was more.

[599] The Secretary of State for Education called in England's former counter -terror chief from Scotland Yard, a man named Peter Clark, and the Birmingham City Council appointed its own special investigator, and they scrutinized Parkview, along with 20 -some -odd other schools in Muslim neighborhoods.

[600] In the middle of the melee, some politicians and journalists were saying that the letter itself was likely a hoax.

[601] There was some obvious factual inaccuracies.

[602] Yet the government believed it still warranted this action.

[603] Honestly, I don't think any authority explained this logic with much clarity at the time.

[604] But my understanding of how the thinking went is that even if the letter itself wasn't an actual communique between two real -life conspirators, it could still be pointing at a real problem.

[605] Even if it was fiction, the thinking went, the letter could have been fabricated by someone who had legitimate concerns about Muslim extremists scheming and wielding influence in schools.

[606] And maybe the letter was their creative way of raising an alarm.

[607] So rather than look into who wrote the letter and why, instead the government put out general public calls for information about these schools, and people started coming forward, mostly anonymously, with complaints.

[608] Again, investigators found no evidence of radicalization, no evidence of violent extremism, and no plot.

[609] What emerged instead was a kind of grabbag of Islam -adjacent allegations.

[610] Many of the same things authorities had celebrated up to that point, but apparently now we're seeing in a different light.

[611] Like, these educators weren't merely allowing students to pray.

[612] They were pressuring them to pray.

[613] They weren't innocently recruiting brown Muslim staff.

[614] They were hiring their buddies, who thought the same way as they did, and possibly discriminating against non -Muslim candidates in the process.

[615] School governors, including to hear, they weren't holding headteachers to a high standard.

[616] They were pressuring them, harassing them, and exercising more power than a governor was supposed to.

[617] Investigators also said they'd found instances of intolerance towards LGBT people and unequal treatment of women and girls.

[618] They said Parkview had held assemblies and invited speakers with anti -Western views, and that to hear and people aligned with him allegedly subscribed to, quote, an intolerant and politicized form of extreme social conservatism that claims to represent and ultimately seeks to control all Muslims.

[619] All of this, as the then Secretary of State for Education put it, as she presented the findings on the Trojan Horse Letter to Parliament, meant that students...

[620] Instead of enjoying a broadening and enriching experience in school, young people are having their horizons narrowed and are being denied the opportunity to flourish in a modern multicultural Britain.

[621] It is for this reason and with deep sense of injustice and sadness that today we are announcing our intention to resign our positions at Parkview Educational Trust and allow new members to assume responsibility.

[622] After months of scrutiny in early July 2014, Tahir, looking tired and stressed, stood at a lectern outside Parkview's gates and resigned.

[623] Tahir told us he and the other Parkview governors only agreed to do that because the Department for Education promised that the head teacher and other on -the -ground leadership of the school would be kept in place.

[624] But as soon as school opened in September, all of those people were suspended.

[625] all the leadership was basically sacked.

[626] Ruthlessly, they went about to destroying their careers, destroying their reputations, and they did that systematically.

[627] We had worked for 10, 15 years really, to build this school.

[628] They destroyed it within months.

[629] The government renamed the school.

[630] It's no longer Parkview.

[631] It also notified nearly every teacher and governor you just heard from, to hear included, that it was bringing proceedings to ban them from education for the rest of their lives.

[632] In the years since, student achievement has plummeted at the school, formerly known as Parkview, from more than 70 % passing to, in recent years, from the low 40 to mid -50 % range.

[633] So that's the story Ther here told us, that first meeting in its makeshift tutoring room, that this letter, which was never fully investigated, that described a plot called Operation Trojan Horse, which is never found to have existed, inspired all of this, the ruining of careers and an educational movement the fair mongering headlines against Muslims that continue to this day the government instituting policies that encourage us to spy more brazenly on each other we've been talking with the hair for a couple of hours by this point what time is it I know you need to leave at some point I don't want I mean I'm to go to Friday prayer now so one o 'clock I'm there really I understand it's a lot to talk so if you wanted to there is a lot to no no I don't get tired of talking these things really I mean, you probably could tell.

[634] Obviously, when I talk about that, you know, you begin to relive it, isn't it?

[635] And I have to say that, you know, it does, it does sadden me, actually, as what has been lost for the children, for the community, the irreparable damage that has been done for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

[636] So, anyway, can I give you guys some tea or something?

[637] At that event I went to, where we all got redirected.

[638] directed to the wedding hall.

[639] One of the speakers, a columnist named Peter Oburn, put it well.

[640] He said Operation Trojan Horse has become a social fact in Britain.

[641] But even though within weeks of the Trojan Horse that are hitting the news, people acknowledged it was probably a hoax.

[642] That's never seemed to matter.

[643] Whether Muslims in Birmingham were conspiring or not, doesn't matter.

[644] The intimation that there were has persevered.

[645] To the extent that Prime Minister's former chief of staff was outraged that some people in a community centre would dare say otherwise.

[646] But we don't need to settle for a social fact because there are actual facts.

[647] Why up to this point has no one cared about who wrote this letter and where this letter came from?

[648] Well, that's my question.

[649] This is what I've been arguing.

[650] This is why I went to the police to see what they could do.

[651] This is what I wrote in my letter.

[652] to the Birmingham City Council that you need to get to the bottom of who wrote the letter.

[653] This is what I wrote to the Department of Education as well.

[654] You need to get to the bottom of the letter.

[655] Who wrote the letter?

[656] Because that will then unravel why the letter was written.

[657] You see?

[658] So this is what I have been arguing, but Department for Education is not interested.

[659] The police are not interested.

[660] The Birmingham City Council is not interested in answering that question.

[661] Why?

[662] Because they have used this letter And on this hoax They have built so much policy Do you think now they want to launch an investigation Into the letter to have it proven That it was written for completely Different reasons Yeah How would that make them look like?

[663] Bunch of monkeys As I've been saying If you could just find out who wrote that letter And why That's the only thing that might change Britain's understanding of Operation Trojan Horse But whoever wrote the letter they knew they knew me I think and I like to think that I know them too Does that mean you I have a strong hunch as to who wrote the letter I strongly believe that I know who wrote the letter and I strongly believe that I know the why the letter was written as well So you think you know the Who and the motive.

[664] Yes.

[665] That's next on the Trojan Horse Affair.

[666] The case of the four resignations.

[667] The Trojan Horse Affair is produced by Hamza Ayad and me, along with Rebecca Lax.

[668] The show is edited by Sarah Koenig, additional editing by Ira Glass and by our contributing editor, Aisha Manazer Siddiqui.

[669] Fact -checking and research by Mara Kroneli and Ben Phelan.

[670] Original score by Thomas Meller, with additional music by Matt McGinley and Stephen Jackson.

[671] Sound design, mixing, and music supervision by Stephen Jackson and Phil Domahofsky at the Audio Non -Visual Company.

[672] Julie Snyder is our executive editor.

[673] Neil Drumming is managing editor, supervising producer, is Ndeh Chubu.

[674] Executive assistant is Alberto de Leon.

[675] Sam Dolnik is an assistant managing editor of the New York Times.

[676] Audio is provided by NBC Getty Images.

[677] Special thanks to my journalism professor, my Yoda, Richard Danbury, Kimberly Henderson, the Barclay Agency, Kenneth Pomeranz, Greg Clark, and John Holmwood, who, along with Theresa O'Toole, authored an in -depth book which was very helpful to us, called Countering Extremism in British Schools, The Truth about the Birmingham Trojan Horse Affair.

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