The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz XX
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[1] Chris Cody, Stugats is having some trouble keeping up with the day's news because he was just trying to inform me of Jeff Darlington reporting that Flores had texted to a bunch that he sucked and he thought it was breaking news and I looked at him and I said, no, that's from yesterday.
[2] That was Darlington who was on yesterday.
[3] The news, the amount of attention this has gotten has surprised me. We were sitting in the same place.
[4] I know it's a slow time.
[5] People want their football.
[6] And I know it's unusual for a player to, an active player to publicly take out an active coach of any sort.
[7] But I've still been surprised that it's been three days in the national news stream this story.
[8] It's the weird story where I'm seeing a lot of people just super interested in it.
[9] And then the far like the Joe Roses of the world just being like, why are we talking about this still?
[10] So it's like a weird juxtaposition.
[11] But it's also, and I mean, I don't know.
[12] we'll get to juju here in a second.
[13] I don't know how it is that you feel about this, but there's some lightning rod stuff here.
[14] The Brian Flores name is a regional name.
[15] He had his big job in Miami.
[16] The reason it's known nationally is, wait a minute, a head coach sued the NFL about what?
[17] And so now you've got a lot of people taking sides on, oh, look at this tearing down of the black man who's a head coach.
[18] Look at how he hangs on to the fringes of the league, kept alive by Mike Tomlin, blackest coach in the league, blackest staff in the league, I should say, because he's got a bunch of power in Pittsburgh and a real stability in Pittsburgh.
[19] But there are people taking sides on this in a way that I find kind of unusual that it would sustain for three days like this.
[20] Dan, in a strange way, it's not apples to apples, but it reminds me a lot of what happened in the NBA with Adrian Griffin, who was also replaced by another black head coach in Doc Rivers.
[21] But people were looking at, a lot of people look at Brian Forrest's record, and comparing it what the Dolphus record has been since he left.
[22] And it's like, it's kind of comparable.
[23] They really haven't achieved anything that Brian Flores did not achieve.
[24] And so they used that as kind of proof that, well, he got the raw deal here.
[25] And what Tua's telling us is kind of like what we heard about Adrian Griffin is like, yeah, I know what the results were.
[26] But the way this sausage was made was not palatable and did not kind of indicate that this is going to go to a more positive place moving forward.
[27] Brian Flores did not deserve to be fired based on what he was given and the results he produced off of what he was given.
[28] And so to see him hanging on to the fringes of the league and needing the support of Vikings' teammates because he's gotten a job outside of Pittsburgh, outside of the comfort of Tomlin security, it is him fighting to stay in the league by handling yesterday the way he handled it.
[29] But you see what I'm saying in that, Brian Flores, if you just look at, like I said, what he was, like you said, what he was given, what he achieved.
[30] Man, that seems to be a pretty decent coaching job that he did.
[31] But when you hear Tua talk about how this guy coached me, you begin to realize, oh, results be damned.
[32] This guy was kind of debilitating towards what we're trying to build here around this particular player.
[33] And that's the part that sometimes gets lost in some of this stuff is, yeah, sometimes it's not a results business.
[34] Sometimes it is based off your process.
[35] Juju, can you explain to me whether or not people are thinking that we're talking about this stuff too much?
[36] Because we are three days in on it right now and it is a slower time.
[37] So I imagine the complaints would be coming in right about now.
[38] Cafecito Crew Gaming says Brian Flores is that a -ho chef from the bear who even said you're welcome after he got confronted about abuse.
[39] so no they're there they're wide awake the fans of the show the listeners of the the show they are blocked into this I'm locked into this because this is a major story I don't think anyone has grown tired other than the haters who already just be hating on life and by the way to back up what juju saying I don't even know if the haters because I think most people are finding and discovering this my barber talked about it yesterday and he never talks about anything we ever do on this show But he was like, yeah, I saw your boy Levertard with Tua, and I'm like, oh, damn, it cut through that deep.
[40] Well, you know what it reminds me of, actually?
[41] When one of these issues in sports can go and make its way into parenting, into teaching, it reminded me, honestly, of when we had the dolphin story of Bulligate and everybody was like, what do you mean an offensive lineman bullied another offensive lineman?
[42] They're both 300 -pound people.
[43] A lot of people are using this as a jumping off point on what's the better way to treat people if you're trying to teach them?
[44] Fear, respect, or love?
[45] Like, people are talking about what's the proper way to reach someone?
[46] And when you've seen the results change so much with Tua, Tua is assigning it to somebody believing in him.
[47] And many people can now argue, well, it's Tyree Kill, it's system.
[48] It's not the people believe in him.
[49] They've done a bunch of different things to build around him.
[50] And part of it is the belief.
[51] Did you guys think when you guys sat down doing this?
[52] Awkwardly sat down right next to him.
[53] Go on.
[54] Did you think, oh, this is going to be really big locally, but it won't have waves outside of?
[55] I was, me and Stugats were looking at each other throughout that interview, like, holy crap, this is going to be good.
[56] Really?
[57] I wasn't like that.
[58] I just said that that last answer.
[59] When I left, I said that last answer is going to make some noise, but I didn't think it would make the noise that it has made.
[60] I'm watching on my television tier.
[61] We're three days in and we held that.
[62] four or five days.
[63] It's on every show.
[64] Every show is talking about this, and I did not have it being all of that, at least in part because it was pretty common knowledge in that locker room.
[65] Juju, what else are people saying we got right and got wrong today?
[66] Warden Gobi from YouTube says, Samson on his own is great, but Samson and his appearances on the show is just legendary stuff.
[67] David Samson be coming on.
[68] He'd be siding with the management, of course.
[69] But he does speak for a large piece of the audience out there.
[70] A lot of people were agreeing with him and his takes about how Flores is, I guess, lucky to have a job and just thank his lucky stars.
[71] Dot, dot, dot.
[72] A lot of people agree with that sentiment.
[73] For real?
[74] Yes, this is America.
[75] Well, and you generally can't sue your employer then keep being employed.
[76] That's not something that happens very often.
[77] The NFL is not as employer.
[78] I mean, the NFL is the structure with which, you know, his employment is occurring, but he does not work for the NFL.
[79] He works for the Minnesota Vikings.
[80] Understood, but he needed the lifeline of Mike Tomlin.
[81] Like, the thing that can happen with these circumstances is your talent doesn't reach up to the place where offending the customer is something or the employer is something that gets Colin Kaepernick banned from the league for something that isn't any kind of crime because nobody's willing to take a chance on somebody anymore.
[82] Like Mike Tomlin really did Brian Flores a favor there.
[83] No, a huge favorite.
[84] He saved his career, you could say.
[85] He made him, he took the radioactiveness off of him.
[86] Jujia, what else are people saying today outside of this subject or is it all this subject related?
[87] No, absolutely not.
[88] Sean G. Allen, Jeanette.
[89] Who else is this?
[90] Hunter, Hunterrestrial?
[91] And never -dunted radio network says they absolutely love the rejoins.
[92] Oh, we had to rejoin come back today.
[93] People are loving it.
[94] The chat lit up when the rejoin came back.
[95] I know it seems small to y 'all, but to us, that thing sound good, man. There's going to be more of that.
[96] That's a Chris Cody idea there.
[97] He executed that today.
[98] He's bringing those back to tickle us, really.
[99] He's trying very hard to tickle us and make us bring us back to our familiar environment.
[100] And to me and you were saying?
[101] No, I was just saying that the radioactivity was removed.
[102] Oh, my fault.
[103] I saw, I saw eye contact from you that suggested you wanted to speak.
[104] I didn't think that you hadn't finished your previous thought.
[105] No, no, no, no. It seemed like you wanted to get in there.
[106] I saw before we move on, I want to give my brother Chris Cody a round of applause, bro.
[107] Like, people don't understand.
[108] Chris went from coming to work every day and just being able to be a jokester and having a great time.
[109] Now, Chris Cody got a cone of work and be in charge, have stuff to work.
[110] worry about he got people in his ear he see the video messing up but dan talking you know how stressful that is like brother bro i commend you brother like no matter what people say or what i don't give a damn i'm riding for you i got your bat bro good job man appreciate it dude play with him drawstring always positive juju you can't put a positive on him playing with the jaw of the draw strings in the middle of the couch during the two interview not knowing what to do with his hands you can't uh and and uh you had people coming out of the shadows to pull his shirt away from his belly.
[111] Come on.
[112] Take the picture down.
[113] Take the picture down now.
[114] Get it out of here.
[115] Also, shout out to, I'm keeping fair.
[116] Snugs 86 from Instagram, aka Victor Murillo, says, thank you guys for less juju this week.
[117] Oh, no, no. Salus threw that guy.
[118] Boo.
[119] The people, everybody's opinion matters.
[120] No, that opinion does not matter.
[121] In fact, we've got a panel.
[122] We've got a panel five minutes, major asshole.
[123] Ah, damn.
[124] We're strong, so snugs.