Men's Bodies with Kumail Nanjiani & Rob McElhenney

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[13] I'm joined by Monica Monsoon.

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[15] Monica Monsoon.

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[17] Today we have two, well, one of them is just one of my great bros, returning guest.

[18] Both of them are returning guests, but at any rate, Rob McElhenney and Kumail Nanjiani.

[19] Yes.

[20] And this whole episode, everybody, is literally an exploration of the male form.

[21] It's an episode on men's bodies.

[22] As told through the male lens.

[23] Yes.

[24] With three probably unhealthy dudes.

[25] Not probably.

[26] Definitely.

[27] Definitely.

[28] Maybe I won't say unhealthy, but I'm skewed.

[29] Skewed.

[30] Some dysmorphia.

[31] Oh, man, we really get into it.

[32] It's great.

[33] I hope, you know, even if you're a female and you're not super into hearing about the striations of the deltoid, hang in there because it really reveals more about us, doesn't it, Monica?

[34] For sure.

[35] And not just you, but the general, I think, male obsession.

[36] Yeah, yeah.

[37] And human obsession with physicality.

[38] Yes, and I also just want to say quickly that Kamal has a new show on Apple Plus, which is called Little America.

[39] Little America.

[40] Rob also has a new show on Apple Plus called Mythic Quest Ravens Banquet.

[41] And Kamal's got movies coming out, of course.

[42] He's in the new Marvel Eternals, which is November 6.

[43] So a lot out there for you to consume.

[44] Both these guys are just tremendously wonderful human beings.

[45] And I hope you will enjoy this exploration of the Malform.

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[50] Are you really doing this?

[51] Oh, my God.

[52] I'm not going to do it.

[53] I'm not going to do it.

[54] There's no way.

[55] By the end of this, your shirts will be off.

[56] We'll see.

[57] I have a feeling.

[58] We'll see.

[59] I'm not going to do that.

[60] I'm not in the kind of...

[61] No, no, no. You look great.

[62] Well, let's get into it.

[63] We got an ABR.

[64] I have thoughts.

[65] Always be rolling.

[66] Always be rolling.

[67] I'm about eight pounds over prime right now.

[68] Really?

[69] Yeah.

[70] What's that?

[71] Two weeks?

[72] I got to think of a week I could get off eight pounds.

[73] Uh -huh.

[74] Yeah.

[75] Yeah, it's mostly just water and stuff, right?

[76] You could lose water weight real quickly.

[77] Oh, my God.

[78] What are we doing?

[79] This is going to be the best episode of this podcast.

[80] When I was thinking about what to talk about, so many things were in my head I got so overwhelmed that I had to stop thinking about it.

[81] My heart started racing because you're just too much to say on the topic.

[82] There's too many things.

[83] We're going to get serious about it.

[84] Leading up to this, I was like, what is the framing of this episode?

[85] What is the point of it?

[86] And I don't know.

[87] I feel confident it'll be revealed, but I don't really know what the point is other than let's hash out our obsession with the male form.

[88] Yeah, I think it's overall just an appreciation for the male body.

[89] Hold on.

[90] I'm sticking to my leather chair because I'm shirtless.

[91] Hold on.

[92] There's going to be some ups.

[93] There's going to be some downs, guys.

[94] We'll figure it out together.

[95] I think, I think that.

[96] It's going to be mainly downs.

[97] It's going to be a little windy here, I think.

[98] It sure is.

[99] There's some potholes.

[100] So, Dax doesn't have his shirt on.

[101] That's right.

[102] My shirt is off, and my goal is that all the shirts will be off by the end of this.

[103] I'm not saying, I won't do it.

[104] Okay, great.

[105] I'm just waiting for the right moment.

[106] I'm not going to do it.

[107] Now, can I ask you, I'm leaving it on.

[108] Is it because, and this is where you easily enter into the body dysmorphia zone, once you start this is, you know you looked better and you can't accept it.

[109] Is that what's happening?

[110] Yeah.

[111] Because you most certainly have the best body in this room.

[112] Well, I'll say the dysmorphia thing is one of the things I wanted to talk about, because I see it affecting me so much and I really have to fight it all the time.

[113] Yeah.

[114] I put these pictures on Instagram, right?

[115] And it's that thing you want to do where you're like waiting, waiting, and like, I could look better, I could look better, I could look better.

[116] It was the week before Christmas and I was like, now the stakes are too high.

[117] So when I took that picture and I put it out, I was like, I don't really look that guy.

[118] That is truly disturbing.

[119] Yeah, it is.

[120] When I see myself in the mirror, when I take my shirt to look myself in the mirror, I look great for five seconds and then I fucking swear, I see my body change in front of me. I see it change.

[121] Uh -huh.

[122] And then I just see the flaws, like, oh, the obliques aren't, all that shit, right?

[123] Yes.

[124] And it was from the reaction to the pictures that I was like, okay, there's clearly something wrong with me. Yes.

[125] And in your case, it starts as a role in a superhero movie.

[126] So you want to look the part.

[127] They're paying you money.

[128] Right.

[129] You want to do everything humanly possible to do it.

[130] I'm the first brown guy who's playing a Marvel superhero.

[131] I didn't want to also be like the first schlubby superhero, you know?

[132] Okay, but we're not counting Black Panther?

[133] South Asian, let's say South Asian.

[134] Okay, okay, okay.

[135] And then in Rob's case, just to bring our own speed, it started as a joke, and then quickly you're no longer in on the joke, and that's the beauty of this process.

[136] Yes.

[137] Yeah, so just, your co -stars were kind of pointing out that to you.

[138] That was all a part of the gag.

[139] So it was like, how ridiculous would it be for me to get in incredible shape?

[140] And I'm looking around and I'm watching these movies or TV shows where people seem to be in incredible shape, and it's one thing if you're a superhero.

[141] It's another thing if you're like a pizza delivery guy or something, but if the actor knows he has to take his shirt off, he's going to get ripped.

[142] And I noticed that this is what was happening.

[143] So I thought, wow, we should make fun of that.

[144] And then what happens is you get so into it and you become so obsessed with it because it becomes a way of life.

[145] Because you are giving up so many other things and then you feel so good.

[146] And then you look good, but only...

[147] To you and some dudes.

[148] Some other dudes.

[149] Yeah.

[150] It's really for dudes.

[151] It is totally true.

[152] All I heard from was straight dudes and gay dudes.

[153] That's all I heard from.

[154] Yeah.

[155] Yeah.

[156] That is what unites straight and gay dudes is the love for the male form.

[157] Yeah.

[158] Well, yours was, I thought was, first of all, that whole season was great.

[159] It was very funny.

[160] But I remember when you were doing this transformation, Charlie was like, I don't get why he's doing it.

[161] Like, it's like, it's like pointless, he was saying.

[162] But then in the show, when you're like, look, I'm in great shape.

[163] Everyone's like, I don't know why you did this.

[164] It's pointless.

[165] Yeah.

[166] That was.

[167] So you You guys wrote what your real reaction was into the show.

[168] Yes.

[169] But even with it being meta in that way, still not in on it in some level.

[170] Even like the most you think you have your head wrapped around it, there's still the moments that Kamel's describing where you're looking in the mirror and you're no longer seeing your body and it has affected your brain.

[171] Yeah, you definitely cross over into a different zone.

[172] And then once it's over, when the season's over, then you have to really reconcile.

[173] You have like a real reckoning.

[174] So can I ask you what that was like because I just finished like three weeks ago and they give you the best trainers in the world that train you every fucking day.

[175] They give you five meals a day and then one day they just throw you out in the world.

[176] I don't know how to fucking keep this up.

[177] So how do you deal with relaxing your regimen and your diet and all that?

[178] I started drinking heavily when that was helpful because I wasn't really drinking a ton of alcohol while I was working out because, in fact, that's what really helped me lose the weight very quickly, was because I was drinking so much, like at least a wine, a glass of wine or two glasses of wine every night.

[179] So even just cutting out that amount of sugar helped, and my metabolism was so used to that amount of alcohol.

[180] So just doing that, then I started to really lose a ton of weight.

[181] And so when I stopped working out as much, I also started drinking alcohol, which, you know, I'm not necessarily, I'm not necessarily condoning.

[182] it was a lifestyle choice for me that helped me in my transition.

[183] There's also this, there is a misleading sweet spot post big training, right, for a role which is you quit, you're not on the regimen anymore, you're not on the diet anymore, and then you get about a three week grace period where you're like, oh, is this my new body where I can just eat pasta and I'm in there, right?

[184] Right, I'm fucking in there right now.

[185] Right, it'll end.

[186] But it'll come back fast.

[187] That's true.

[188] That's the thing.

[189] So I stopped and then, in fact, for my other show, I thought, Maybe I'll gain a bunch of weight again, just because I feel like this character might be a little overweight.

[190] And then I really couldn't do it.

[191] And then I was like, well, maybe I'll just see if I can get back into shape.

[192] And instead of it taking four months, it took like three weeks.

[193] And I could get right back into shape, which is wild.

[194] It's interestingly, you said that it's really true.

[195] There's a three -week sweet spot where you're like, I'm super relaxed.

[196] I'm not working out as hard.

[197] I look the fucking same.

[198] I look great.

[199] This is the rest of my life.

[200] Mine was, I got crazy in shape for this movie.

[201] Went in Rome.

[202] And then all my shirtless scenes were over.

[203] We went to Italy, and I had been training all that time, you know, six days a week, the whole thing, started pounding pasta and then the biceps just blew up.

[204] The belly didn't get bigger.

[205] That totally happens.

[206] And I'm like, oh, this is the dream body.

[207] Because you're glycogen depleted.

[208] So when you eat carbs, you like puff up.

[209] The best you look is the day after like a horrible, like cheat meal.

[210] That's when I would look.

[211] I would like look all like huge and vascular.

[212] Your vascularity.

[213] You know, there was a lot of things.

[214] There were a lot of impressive components to that.

[215] photo.

[216] The photo is world renowned at this point.

[217] Everyone knows about the photo.

[218] Josh Gad came on and he told us about the picture and we looked it up on...

[219] Well, I had already seen it, but yes, I played ball.

[220] Wow.

[221] Wow.

[222] I also had my own photo that you sent me that I cherished, that I did put in my calendar this year.

[223] Well, I put it in.

[224] You put it in.

[225] Well, the hardest thing is when you've like been doing this and nobody knows, but you want people to know so you could just like find the dudes who would appreciate it.

[226] and be like, hey, you want to see something?

[227] My entire text chain with Kumal is just photos of each other back and forth.

[228] And I don't show them to anybody because he asked me not to, so it's really just like a secret relationship that we have.

[229] And that's what happens.

[230] You're like, well, who's going to appreciate this?

[231] And it's like four other dudes.

[232] Yeah, because it's also very embarrassing.

[233] It's vain.

[234] Yes.

[235] You know, there's nothing masculine about it, weirdly.

[236] It's like, even though that's the apex of masculinity as we were children, you feel very, effeminate doing it.

[237] Yeah, you're right.

[238] You have to really, really care about it in a way that is not cool.

[239] You know, the best one who reached out to me, who I don't know was Chris Evans.

[240] Chris Evans reached out to me, and I don't know of him.

[241] I've never met him still, but he got my email and was like, hey, I know how much work that takes, so that's cool.

[242] That was the best one.

[243] And the Rock commented on the Instagram.

[244] That was great.

[245] Oh, my goodness.

[246] Okay, so I would like to pour a little context here so that people can maybe understand the steps that led up to this obsession, dysmorphia, and appreciation.

[247] So as kids, we're all roughly the same age.

[248] Yeah.

[249] And so as I was leading up to this interview, I was kind of thinking, we did grow up in a unique time period.

[250] So we grew up in the era of heavy, heavy steroid use where Mr. Universe went from 178 pounds to 250, right?

[251] The error of Schwarzenegger and Lou Ferrignal.

[252] And now those guys were in our movies when we were kids.

[253] So we were, I want to say, one of the first generations to be introduced to this body type that is preposterous by all measures.

[254] Yeah, yeah.

[255] That's right.

[256] And that played, it must have played some role subconsciously or psychologically on us.

[257] I mean, I remember when I was a really young kid, I was big into WWF, like wrestling.

[258] That was another thing I thought of.

[259] That was a new thing.

[260] Oh yeah, Ultimate Warrior was huge and cut.

[261] Yeah, and there's definitely takeaways, I suppose, from that.

[262] But certainly, like, prior to that, if you look at like whatever the idealized male body was, you could go back to like Spartacus and look at Kirk Douglas, who looks like a man, like a thick man, but he clearly wasn't spending four hours a day working out.

[263] No, look at Adam West as Batman.

[264] Exactly.

[265] Sure.

[266] Well, Sean Connery, who I believe had won Mr. Universe in his life, you know, I don't know what he was, 180, and he looked great.

[267] He looked like he could chop wood and jump over things.

[268] Right.

[269] But not turn a car over onto its roof.

[270] No. Yeah.

[271] I mean, and so for me, it was never like an obsession where I was like, oh, I will not look good unless I look like that or I need to look like that one day.

[272] For me, it was a fascination with, oh, one day I'd like to do that.

[273] Sure.

[274] And then what happened was I did it and I was like, I may never go back.

[275] Well, that's the problem.

[276] Yes.

[277] It is really a dangerous.

[278] You know what it took to get there.

[279] Yeah.

[280] And you don't want to have to go through all that work again to have to get there.

[281] But I also enjoyed it.

[282] Like you have a goal.

[283] You're setting a goal.

[284] You wake up every day.

[285] You're a certain diet.

[286] I think it's a lot of control.

[287] I'm also control.

[288] I have control issues.

[289] And so it's something I have control over, which is nice.

[290] Well, I do think hard work generally results in some self -esteem, some pride.

[291] And it's not just the pride at accomplishing your goal.

[292] It's also you actually physically feel better.

[293] Like right now, I have less anxiety than I've ever had.

[294] I sleep better.

[295] The lack of stress, like, I was doing this movie and I always get super nervous for like any job, I really wasn't nervous for this the entire time.

[296] I was sleeping like eight, nine hours a night.

[297] And how often were you training while filming?

[298] Because I've heard that the Rock's shoot schedule works around his workout schedule, which I'm told is a couple hours every day.

[299] Yeah, we didn't.

[300] They did not work around my workout schedule.

[301] They didn't.

[302] But here's what's interesting.

[303] If you guys really want to get into the nitty gritty of it, so the traditional split you do is like you do a push and a pull or you sort of do a different body part, rest, right?

[304] What they did is this guy, David Higgins, was our trainer on this Marrow movie and he had a team of, like, dudes, they were fucking great, is you do a full body workout every single day and you don't rest.

[305] So you're hitting chest every day, you're hitting shoulders every day.

[306] You do a big, like, eight exercise circuit.

[307] And I pretty much did it every day.

[308] So they would be like, over lunch, you know, instead of taking lunch, I would go work out with these guys.

[309] And then I would eat lunch, like, on set.

[310] Or sometimes they're switching over to another scene It's going to be an hour and a half So I worked out every single day And then on the weekends I would go And hit the body parts I felt were lagging on my own Which were?

[311] Which were, you know, the vanity muscles Yeah, you gotta hit the delts I worked Vanity.

[312] Wait a second, wait a wait wait Just so we're 100 % clear You're telling me that you would work out On top of the workout?

[313] Yeah, and I...

[314] Oh, you are.

[315] So two a days?

[316] No, no, no. Never two a day.

[317] On the weekends.

[318] Okay.

[319] Not two a days.

[320] So Monday to Friday, I would work out with these guys every single day.

[321] We would do full body.

[322] We would do a day of heavy, a day of drops.

[323] A day of heavy, a day of drop sets.

[324] People don't know what that means.

[325] A drop set is...

[326] The people who are listening at this point...

[327] I know.

[328] You're so right.

[329] The six people left.

[330] Everybody else has turned this podcast off.

[331] So a drop set is like you do a fairly heavy weight and without resting, you do a lighter weight.

[332] And then without resting, you do a really light weight.

[333] So it's like more reps. instead of...

[334] And that's where you're going to get that fat burn.

[335] You're going to...

[336] Right.

[337] And then on the weekends, we were supposed to rest, but I would go sort of work out on my own...

[338] Go rogue.

[339] Just the vanity muscles.

[340] I would do chest, shoulders, arm days.

[341] Well, you fucking hit a personal record today, didn't you?

[342] Yeah.

[343] Well, I knew we were coming in.

[344] Yeah, I knew what we were coming in.

[345] Yeah, McElhenney, he went ahead and put up 3 .30 today.

[346] Bench press 3 .30, yeah.

[347] 3 .30.

[348] That was a clean rep. Yeah.

[349] That is totally useless.

[350] strength.

[351] I mean, there is no, there is no use.

[352] No, unless you were going to fly again.

[353] I mean, it's your flying muscles, your pectoral.

[354] That's where they originated.

[355] Sure, yeah.

[356] I'm not, I mean, that'd be great, but I'm not planning on doing it anytime soon.

[357] If ever that technology becomes available, you are ready for it.

[358] And for whatever reason, I'm really good at bench press, so I like to do it.

[359] Of course.

[360] But even when I went and was training for Sunny and I was asking my trainer, Aaron, he was like, yeah, we're not doing any bench press because it's just useless.

[361] And it doesn't look great on screen.

[362] Right.

[363] Which was a bummer.

[364] Yeah.

[365] But now I'm doing it.

[366] Yeah, I don't do bench press.

[367] You don't?

[368] No. I fucked up my shoulder doing it too many times.

[369] Okay.

[370] And then there was one day we were shooting in Forte Ventura, which is a Canary Island.

[371] We were there for a month shooting our movie, and there was nothing to do that.

[372] So when I wasn't shooting, I was just in the gym.

[373] I would do, I did four -hour workouts.

[374] Oh, it was.

[375] That sounds like heaven.

[376] Well, because I know.

[377] It is.

[378] It is.

[379] It really does.

[380] It's one of the only things in life I put my phone down for.

[381] It's like I get in there and it's my hour or whatever.

[382] And on Saturdays, if I can watch like a motorcycle race while I'm working out and make it two hours, that's my best day ever.

[383] Oh, it was great because I would do like an hour and a half weight training.

[384] Then there would be like the movement guy.

[385] So I would do like, and I'm no good at it, but like the martial arts classes and the movement classes and stuff.

[386] And it's like an intense workout.

[387] So there was one day I was in there alone and I was like, I don't know what my max bench is.

[388] and so I just kept trying one rep and adding weights adding weights adding weights and then I did one rep of one and I was like okay that didn't feel great I think I could do more and then I did one more and it really fucked me up for a couple weeks yeah so I don't do it anymore I think we've all been there where we hurt something and then we continue on you always know I feel like when you're working out with an injury anytime you get it you can go back and look at the moment where you knew you should have stopped.

[389] Absolutely.

[390] Okay, now, now back to childhood.

[391] So there's the W of WF.

[392] It's really Schwarzenegger and Stallone and that whole crew.

[393] Right, right?

[394] Those movies, those like testosterone -fueled movies.

[395] And then the flip side of that around the same time was like diehard, right?

[396] And you look at Bruce Willis, and I just went and watched that again recently.

[397] And he's certainly a beef kick, but he's not like ripped or jacked.

[398] He just looks like a man. Yeah, he looks strong.

[399] He looks strong.

[400] Yeah.

[401] And he also carries so.

[402] much charisma and machismo and masculinity naturally.

[403] And I'm, and I'm watching that and thinking like, well, I don't think I have that naturally, but I can pretend by packing on all of this.

[404] Sure, it's meat.

[405] Yeah, yeah.

[406] All of this meat.

[407] And then, and then you have somebody like Arnold who has both.

[408] Oh, he's got it all.

[409] But, okay, so the rock is the heir apparent to that body type.

[410] Is he to Schwarzenegger?

[411] I mean, I guess in size and just overall size.

[412] And like Dave, Batista, like he's in that zone too.

[413] Yeah, but I think aesthetically they're all the same and then they're sort of big and cut guys.

[414] I just want one of the things I like to do when I'm working out is watch the Rocky movies because I find incredibly inspiring.

[415] That's great man. It's like, you know, small white guys from Philly.

[416] I'm like, that's me. Yeah, yeah.

[417] So I too can achieve things.

[418] I think we all agree on that where for us we kind of, we get off the treadmill at Arnold.

[419] For me, because Arnold, I don't know what he was, 250 something when he was at his height.

[420] And, And Ronnie Coleman was 300 pounds.

[421] When they got to that zone, I got less interested.

[422] Right.

[423] I loved, we texted about this a little bit when we were texting about men's bodies.

[424] I think Arnold, late 70s, pumping iron Arnold, for me is like the ideal male body type.

[425] Oh, that's fascinating.

[426] Wait, okay.

[427] I find that fascinating.

[428] I want to drill down into that because now let's be very clear about this.

[429] So for me, what I'm saying is that's as big as a human can get and it's still a for me. That's how I feel through.

[430] Okay, but I would not want to look like him in the 70s.

[431] Would you like to look like him?

[432] Now?

[433] Hell yeah.

[434] Okay, great.

[435] I would love to look like it.

[436] That's great.

[437] I find that fascinating.

[438] Great.

[439] I can tell you what body, if I could trade mine for a body, would it be.

[440] Okay.

[441] Okay.

[442] So, Rob, we're, are, am I picking a person or am I a body type?

[443] Because I would say that amount of size wouldn't quite do it for me. Right.

[444] Right.

[445] I like more of like the lean, the lean look, I suppose.

[446] Okay.

[447] Despite the fact that you got large.

[448] I mean, you know, I didn't.

[449] We, you know, we peaked at the same way.

[450] Okay, what was that way?

[451] We're the exact same size.

[452] Oh, really?

[453] 150, can we say it?

[454] 152 was the secrets of the trade.

[455] Well, we were both 152.

[456] I just did a stand -up two nights ago.

[457] And as I got offstage, this guy was like, what do you weigh?

[458] And I was like, less than you think.

[459] And then he came up to me 20 minutes later, and he's like, what was your walking weight?

[460] I don't know what that means.

[461] Okay.

[462] He was like, well, 180?

[463] And I was like, no, it's like, I'm like 155 now.

[464] But 152 was, we looked way bigger than we really were.

[465] See, that's the, that's the huge secret that most of the gentlemen I see working out in the gym around the country are missing.

[466] They think it's just all about getting gigantic.

[467] But all these people you see in Marvel movies that you love, they're all lean as fuck.

[468] And that I think is the hardest part, at least for me, getting that lean is the, well, that's where they'll hold it's all diet well and really like the the primo number one all time body again from a certain perspective but but according to my trainer when he works with actress he says he hears the same thing over and over again and let's let Monica guess I already Brad Pitt Fight Club there we go Brad Pitt Fight Club I would say Brad Pitt Fight Club is probably he Brad's tall was he six six feet six feet yeah easily's about you're a little short than you yeah and considerably shorter than you He's considerably better looking, so give me the considerably taller.

[469] I would guess that he's probably 145 pounds, maybe 150 pounds in Fight Club, maybe less.

[470] I'd agree with that.

[471] He's pretty small in Fight Club.

[472] He looks great, but that's your ideal.

[473] He's skinny.

[474] Yeah, when you see him in the shirt, before the shirt comes out, off, you're not really noticing much.

[475] You're just like, yeah, a guy's handsome and whatnot.

[476] But when the shirt comes off, you're like, oh, Jesus.

[477] Yeah.

[478] Well, he's got those.

[479] But when I look at Troy Zero, Yeah There's other terms of form In certain communities They have other other Yeah, there's other So you would That's no no no I don't necessarily Troy you watch Troy And I remember watching that And being like they're all so oiled up And shorn and it was all Exceptionally homoerotic Which means I was dead into it And yet was like This doesn't it's not doing it for me Something like he was Almost too big That's where you really put on most of that muscle, the thighs.

[480] They were enormous.

[481] Yeah.

[482] And like, I'm looking at the thighs and I'm saying, I should like this, but I don't.

[483] Is it because it's too, like he's putting too much work into it?

[484] Whereas with Thelma and Louise and with Fight Club, it looks like, that's just what he looks like.

[485] Yeah.

[486] Yeah.

[487] Because I have a feeling that this motherfucker walks around kind of looking like.

[488] I have that fantasy too.

[489] I look at him in Thelman and Louise and I'm like, oh, I think he was just, he's genetically like that.

[490] Yeah.

[491] And then if he puts any effort into it, then he looks like he doesn't fight club.

[492] I think that's right.

[493] I think he's just born like that.

[494] But you know, who else I think is like that as Chris Hemsworth.

[495] I think he is in a genetic advantage.

[496] He has a genetic advantage Have you seen his dad?

[497] His dad just has like, I don't know his dad I just seen him on red carpets but you could see that the whole family has huge arms They're just made like that.

[498] Beautiful shoulders too.

[499] Also what is he 6 -7 or something like that?

[500] I mean like they got great abs just genetically like their abs the shape of it is just great.

[501] It's beautiful.

[502] Wait what do the wives I know I know I know Caitlin because when I texted about the calendar, she responded and she sent me a couple of pictures and she said, here's a picture of my husband's deformed body.

[503] Yes.

[504] So that's her response.

[505] Yeah.

[506] She has certain trigger words.

[507] Like when she hears words like vascularity, she checks out.

[508] Yeah, sure.

[509] If she hears the term caloric intake, she checks out.

[510] Gaines.

[511] Gany kind of gans.

[512] Yeah.

[513] She'll just check out.

[514] Yeah, my wife, same reaction completely over it.

[515] She says my body has corners now And there was a time that you were saying The nice window after you shoot for three weeks For me the nice window with my wife was There were like three weeks Where every time she saw my body She was surprised Oh, okay It was a great feeling Because I would see her be surprised Because I'll tell you I don't wear a shirt around the house anymore I should hope not What a waste of tape?

[516] Why are you wearing one now?

[517] That'd be like keeping our cover on the Ferrari I'm keeping the side when I would walk into the kitchen I would see her like notice each time and that was a good window now she's like over it in every aspect she's over it with Gaines the Lauracin cake going to the gym it is there's an underlying threat to it I would say if you're a spouse of someone getting an incredible shape because one is they're spending a lot of their focus on themselves there is an obvious vanity to it oh my God she's like you can't like walk by a reflective surface anymore that's right So that's one issue.

[518] And then second to that is I think they know on some level you're going to want to be appreciated for this.

[519] And they're not going to give a fuck.

[520] Because that's not why they liked any of the three of us.

[521] No. Our wife did not pick us for our looks or for Zique, I can promise you.

[522] So she's like, yeah, that's not what I was ever in the market for.

[523] I would have fucking married an athlete.

[524] I don't know why you think I would care about that.

[525] She said to me very seriously that if you had this body when we first met and hooked up, I would think something was very wrong with you.

[526] She was like, I would not go out with you again.

[527] Right.

[528] Yeah.

[529] That's fair.

[530] I think that's fair.

[531] Caitlin said to me, we were laying in bed and we hadn't talked in like four or five minutes.

[532] We were just like reading.

[533] She was deep in thought or I thought maybe deep in her book.

[534] And it was five or six minutes of silence.

[535] And she just turns to me and she says, I just want you to know, I do not find this attractive at all.

[536] Okay.

[537] We weren't talking about it at all.

[538] I wasn't asking about it.

[539] Now, when was this?

[540] This was at my height.

[541] when you're feeling the best.

[542] Oh, God, I was so rock hard.

[543] Like, every part of me was just like rock hard.

[544] I think that's part of what she didn't like.

[545] It was like there's nothing to.

[546] Yes, I love where you're aiming for at its peak, the best part is when you feel like you've got a pump on at all time and you haven't even lifted in 12 hours.

[547] That's where you're trying to aim for.

[548] Well, that's what's great about doing.

[549] doing full body every day, is that you have that pump constant weight.

[550] I only do full body, by the way.

[551] Oh, really?

[552] Yeah, so I'm in that camp.

[553] Oh, great.

[554] I just always feel like if you're going to do chess, you must immediately do back so that you're always staying.

[555] That's what it was.

[556] And for them, it was the same way.

[557] So what you, we would do dumbbell bench, not barbell bench, then you do rows with that exact same way.

[558] What you could do with your triceps is what you do with your biceps.

[559] Yes, I think that's really advisable.

[560] I don't think any of this is advisable.

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[582] So, Rob, can you give us, though, a human that you would trade bodies with if four Stack on point.

[583] Not for height because I could figure like Hemsworth.

[584] But do you want to be as big as Hemsworth?

[585] I don't think you do.

[586] I also will say that Hemsworth is he's tall but he's not as big as we think.

[587] I know.

[588] That's what's so disturbing.

[589] You meet them in person and you're like, you're so skinny.

[590] Mamoa is the same way.

[591] Mamoa is?

[592] He looks huge.

[593] Well, first of all, he is a massive human being.

[594] But I think he's bigger than Chris.

[595] He, he, well, depends on what project he's on, but like walk around weight?

[596] like yeah maybe a little bit he still feels like when you see him when you're hanging out with him in person that he feels more slight than you would think okay i think i think i met him only once and i remember as i was talking to him it was hard not to look at his pecks oh sure sure because in my experience in my memory they were so big yeah do you ask i've asked many different men if i can feel their biceps or their chest i've done that a bunch of times yeah i love to get a big hunk of some guy's bicep if it's really bulging and just kind of move it around and manipulate it.

[597] Again, it's the interest I wish a woman had in mind.

[598] Hands down, anybody in the history of mankind Dennis Rodman and his height.

[599] Nice.

[600] I think that is the most supreme body ever.

[601] You've got to look this up.

[602] You're looking at a long...

[603] Because he was lean and tall, but he also had some size, too.

[604] His shoulders were big, the deltoids were large, the legs were phenomenal for a tall guy like that.

[605] He just has the best body ever, I think.

[606] This is like when he was winning.

[607] Yes.

[608] This is as far as the body can go before you're like, oh, the guy is a powerlifter or a bodybuilder.

[609] I would say, yeah.

[610] The shoulders are broad.

[611] You could land an airplane on him.

[612] And it's also useful strength.

[613] Sometimes you guys see these guys they don't move around, but he could do everything.

[614] Well, he did.

[615] He did everything.

[616] He led the league in rebounds.

[617] Because he was six foot six or six foot seven, so you're going to get a certain aesthetic there, right?

[618] But I'm not ever going to be able to recreate that because I can't get the long.

[619] So I'm looking more for the squat.

[620] Okay.

[621] But I'm looking at Walberg, Syrica 1993.

[622] What film would that be for year?

[623] No film.

[624] Is that Calvin Klein underwear?

[625] I was looking at those pictures earlier today.

[626] Okay.

[627] Oh, my God.

[628] God.

[629] Really?

[630] Just today.

[631] Wow.

[632] Was that to gear up for this?

[633] Or was it just on your own?

[634] No, kind of.

[635] I also do just look up dudes all the time.

[636] Me too.

[637] That's incredible.

[638] Just anybody who's listening.

[639] I want you to Google.

[640] I want you to Google search.

[641] Mark Wahlberg, Calvin Klein ad.

[642] And, I mean, first of all, he is jacked.

[643] Yeah.

[644] He's got size.

[645] But it doesn't look that ridiculous.

[646] It doesn't look cartoonish.

[647] No. But it's on the verge for sure.

[648] I think he's not, like, I think he's great looking there, but I want a little bigger than that.

[649] Okay.

[650] That's great.

[651] That's great.

[652] Yeah, you like that.

[653] And now, can we just go back really quick just for five seconds to Pakistan?

[654] Because I want to understand.

[655] Yes.

[656] Please.

[657] So I have to imagine the main import there was Arnold at that time.

[658] It was Arnold.

[659] You know, so Conan movies, loved Conan.

[660] Conan, that was my introduction.

[661] Yes.

[662] Loved Sly, all that stuff.

[663] Love, Commando, all these movies, loved all these movies.

[664] The first time I really remember seeing a guy's body and being like, oh, wow, that's something.

[665] It's a guy you don't know.

[666] So it's a Bollywood movie, and this guy was like my favorite actor.

[667] And he did this one movie, and he did this physical transformation for it.

[668] His name is Sanjadat.

[669] The movie was called Kalnaik.

[670] He plays the bad guy in it.

[671] He's always played a good guy.

[672] He plays the bad guy in it, and he got jacked for it.

[673] If you look now, every Bollywood guy is super jacked, he was the first one that got jacked like that.

[674] that.

[675] Okay.

[676] And this would have been 91, 92, right?

[677] He was the first guy to get jacked like that.

[678] And I remember seeing him and that was the first time I was like, like you seeing a little white guy from Philly that's when I was like, oh, okay, my people can do this too.

[679] This is possible.

[680] It's possible.

[681] Now when I look back and see him, he wasn't like that huge, but that was the first body that I saw of a guy that I was like, because Arnold is from another world.

[682] He is, yeah.

[683] Sanjay Dad was from my world.

[684] And so that was the one that got me like super horny, super horny.

[685] Yeah, I got really horny about it.

[686] And now they're all super jacked.

[687] And when I went to my trainer last year, first time, and he was like, so who do you want to look like?

[688] The guy I showed him was not that guy.

[689] It's another Bollywood actor that I showed him.

[690] But like, I want to look at that guy.

[691] His name is Ritik Roshin.

[692] Okay, he deserves a shout out.

[693] Let me, yeah, let me show you what he looks like.

[694] If I had to prioritize any group, it'd be the deltoids.

[695] Anytime I see an actor with enormous deltoids, that's what blows my mind.

[696] Right.

[697] And Hugh Jackmans are, they're unparalleled.

[698] And he got, like, as Wolverine, he got better and better shape all the time, right?

[699] Like, each movie he looked better.

[700] Yeah, and tons of vascularity through the deltoids.

[701] Like, I can see the broccoli pattern right now in my head.

[702] I think he got very...

[703] Broccoli pattern?

[704] Oh, yeah, the brockeals.

[705] There's a total broccoli pattern You don't know about it?

[706] I think he got out of all these actors we're talking about the lowest like body fat percentage He got really low I think I'll say that when Caitlin found me most attractive Was when we were Recreating out of a joke We were recreating the Mark Wahlberg thing And I think she sent it to you for your It's in the calendar It's October And I think she liked that version Because it was like I put on some size, but it was before I shredded down.

[707] So I had some size, and I had still a little bit of a pushing.

[708] So, Monica, if I may ask, what is your ideal male body?

[709] Cinematically.

[710] I've been thinking about this since you got, this whole time.

[711] I mean, the only crossover, the only person that you guys have said that I agree with is Brad Pitt Fight Club.

[712] that's the only body that translates maybe Dennis Rodman let me look that up the only reason Dennis Rodman would be because exactly what you said he's using those muscles all the time so there's a purpose for it yeah make no mistake there is no purpose for any of the muscles that that's not you know well all right I'm not attractive that's for sure but again I don't know from my perspective I don't think we're talking about attractive right Because if I'm looking for a man that I'm going to be sexually attracted to, I don't know where I'm on the spectrum.

[713] The Kinsey scale.

[714] Yeah, but growing up in the gay community, which is what I did, and I was always in the gay community, and I was the straight boy, I always thought, well, maybe I could, but it just never clicked for me. I was literally never attracted to a man. Yeah.

[715] I hope that changes for us.

[716] Because where this is all leading in a dream world is us to return gay.

[717] We work out all day long and fuck all day.

[718] lot of things in common.

[719] You shoot each other up.

[720] Yeah, exactly.

[721] He potted every now and then.

[722] I think of like Ronan Farrow, right?

[723] And I look at him, I'm like, okay, if I was going to fall in love with a man, that's, like, who would I be attracted to?

[724] It would be that.

[725] But because he's so incredibly intelligent, number one.

[726] But then also, I'm looking at him.

[727] He looks angelic and he has a traditionally more of a feminine quality, right?

[728] And so then I'm like, well, yeah, that's because I'm straight.

[729] right like women yes his skin is very smooth and glossy and moist but and then yeah porcelain he's a porcelain he's a porcelain skin he's very attractive yes even that on paper I'm like I know that I should but I just I don't so I'm not really an attractive thing I'm disappointed in myself about that do I mean I'm sincerely because you are truly woke you I know I want to see the dick oh I want to see I might even want to touch it okay but I don't want to suck it right so so I just think you both will you guys I would pull on it, but I wouldn't, I wouldn't then also get an, just out of interest, I might, for fun to see how quickly I could get a guy off.

[730] Sure, sure, sure.

[731] But then how I know that I wouldn't necessarily be sexually aroused by it, I know that I would not get an erection.

[732] Right.

[733] You know, so I'm enjoying it, but not.

[734] But isn't it weird?

[735] We'll never know what it feels like to have a dick in our mouths.

[736] Well, I was molested, so I do.

[737] Okay.

[738] Not to bring it down.

[739] Yeah, that's a great.

[740] Let's get into that.

[741] We should get into it.

[742] This probably informs all of this stuff.

[743] Okay, so I just sent you both on Instagram.

[744] I just want you to look at it because I want to know if your interest extends to this because I am, as we were just talking about, I actually am not, I'm not horning for guys, but yet there's nothing I enjoy more than watching a ripped athlete run in tight spandex and watching his dick bounce back and forth.

[745] So that's the video I just sent you guys.

[746] Oh, Texas Tech Pro Day.

[747] Here we go.

[748] Is that the one Jess sent us?

[749] It's the one Jess sent us.

[750] And Ryan Hansen and I watched this video for about 40 minutes straight when he was on set last week.

[751] Just go boom, boom, boom.

[752] I mean, it's banging against the thighs.

[753] It's going both ways.

[754] I never actually look at the dick.

[755] You don't.

[756] I have no fascination with that.

[757] I do for comedic reasons.

[758] I think it's the stupidest appendage a human has, male or female.

[759] It's a protuberance.

[760] If you look at it, it looks goofy as hell.

[761] It's a different temperature than the rest of the body.

[762] And it's flopping around completely untethered.

[763] It's a bad design.

[764] It's a bad design.

[765] They should have like bone around it, like a cage around it.

[766] Yes.

[767] And so I find that so comedic.

[768] But then I look upstairs and I just see 230 pounds of muscle moving down the 40 in four seconds.

[769] I can say that aesthetically I can probably still enjoy like a nice juicy cock to look at.

[770] Okay, sure.

[771] Much more than I believe like a woman would.

[772] I'll watch this with Caitlin and I'll be like, can you believe that?

[773] And she's looking at his torso or his face or her.

[774] And she's not looking at the cock at all.

[775] Okay, I want to transition into something serious now.

[776] So this is a point I've been trying to make to Monica.

[777] I just can't find purchase in this argument.

[778] But us three are here acknowledging that the only people that cared we got in shape were other men.

[779] We also will acknowledge that in general, women don't like the body type we're all obsessed with.

[780] Right?

[781] Are we all on board so far?

[782] I'll be watching these bodybuilding docs and Emily's and she cannot like look at the screen.

[783] Right.

[784] She literally cannot look at it.

[785] Right.

[786] And so what I've been trying to point out to Monica is we don't have a monopoly on this.

[787] Women are equally fucked up with the image they think men like.

[788] And it's perpetuated by one another, as is our fascination with masculinity is perpetuated by one another, which is so ironic.

[789] None of us are aiming at what the opposite sex finds appealing.

[790] I mean, again, Not everyone.

[791] Some women love big jacked guys, and that's great.

[792] I think it's a little different in that it feels like for women, there's like entire corporations whose job it is to make women feel that there's a certain type of body.

[793] There's like so much money and infrastructure involved with that.

[794] Whereas for guys, I think it's more like pure stuff.

[795] Whereas for women, I think we as a species have fucked up women's body image way more than we fucked up men's body image.

[796] Well, hold on, no, because I just want to say, thank you.

[797] The number one movie in the history of the world is Avengers.

[798] Mm -hmm.

[799] And then the following nine movies, with the exception of Titanic, where he was skinny, almost all of them include a very jacked dude.

[800] I mean, yes, that is part.

[801] Every boy in America is consuming as much of that image as the women, I think, are.

[802] Sure, but what we're not getting as much is you buy this product, it'll do this.

[803] Like in our world on Instagram, we're following all these guys, you know, but I think for women, it's unavoidable, like buy this lipstick, buy this, do this, this is a diet thing.

[804] It's like unavoidable magazines and stuff.

[805] Whereas for guys, I think, other than seeing those guys on screen, we can avoid the pressure to want to look like that, you know?

[806] That's a very solid point.

[807] I think.

[808] But would you, to agree with me that the model look, for me is completely unappealing.

[809] It's not at all what I've ever been interested in.

[810] Are you guys interested in the model look?

[811] No. Camel's got a devilish look.

[812] I like, yeah, no. I do like a tradition, like a conventionally attractive woman.

[813] I think I feel the same way about it, almost like that Caitlin does about my body, which is like, hey, I like to see that you're healthy, right?

[814] So I could look at a woman and if she's healthy, and what that means is probably generally not too overweight or too underweight.

[815] I think about women that I find attractive and it spans all sorts of different body types and regardless of what their personality is I mean just purely aesthetically but in general I would say that no a person who like a normal walk around person is sexier to me than someone for all the reasons aforementioned like the idea that you even subconsciously pick up on the fact that this person is so vain and they spend so much time trying to look a certain way that your lizard brain picks up on it and says they're desperate.

[816] And I think that when I see men walk around like that and even knowing that about myself, I'm like, we are so insecure and so desperate that we're trying to adjust our body type to fit some type of ridiculous paradigm.

[817] And I think you could say the same thing about any man or woman when you're walking down the street.

[818] And I find that less attractive.

[819] Yeah, I agree.

[820] Yeah.

[821] I just, I think sometimes like eating disorders and all these things, get framed as this is a result of the pressure of the patriarchy, and I just, I only know my group of friends, so I've not done a huge study, but I just am suggesting that it's kind of driven from within, as our thing is driven from within.

[822] But just because we are here at Armchair expert, and let's just pretend we're all experts for a second, and maybe I don't know the answer to this, but from what I understand about specifically eating disorders, isn't that more based in control?

[823] It is, yeah.

[824] Well, and as is our thing.

[825] Right.

[826] Right.

[827] Right.

[828] But, but, So the question is, chicken or the egg, is that the control first, and because you feel out of control for a myriad of different reasons, and then you find this thing.

[829] And yes, you have all these societal constraints or pressures to find that particular thing and then adapt your control issues to that.

[830] Or is it that we feel all of these pressures first and then the control sneaks in?

[831] I don't know.

[832] I feel like I'm not engineered that way.

[833] Monica, what do you think is the difference between the way that men or women are sort of fed?

[834] Like, is it internal?

[835] Yeah.

[836] Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's men's fault that women have a singular view of what their body should look like.

[837] But I think it's societal.

[838] Like, I think it comes from men and women.

[839] Whereas I think men, it generally just comes from men.

[840] Like, I don't know any girl.

[841] Well, Snooky.

[842] She likes juiced up meatheads, she said.

[843] Yeah, and that's true.

[844] There are, there are.

[845] There have to be some girls.

[846] Sure, of course.

[847] But it's not like when you go to the mall, the mannequins.

[848] You know, it's like those are supposed to fit a certain way on a girl.

[849] Like all of it, it's just all piled on top of each other.

[850] I don't think it's necessarily, it's not a male problem, but it's a societal.

[851] But I've had a, I agree, I think that that that is a difference.

[852] If you look at the way that male mannequins are and women, mannequins are you know i think that i think that's but historically every single industry has been created by and then run by man exactly yeah you're being very generous by blaming us with the exception and i think it is a big component of it i've had many girlfriends who knew the names of many supermodels i have only known the name of like three of them claudia shiffer maybe and the gal Cindy Crawford.

[853] Cindy Crawford.

[854] Linda Evangelista.

[855] Don't know her.

[856] So mine ends at like three.

[857] I know all of them from that George Michael video.

[858] Now, I could name you, I don't know, 12 bodybuilders.

[859] I know Chris.

[860] Kai Green.

[861] Oh, here.

[862] I mean, Ronnie Coleman, for anyone who hasn't seen that documentary.

[863] What a documentary.

[864] I want to interview him so bad.

[865] I think there is something to examine that we don't know the names of the supermodels.

[866] Again, we don't look at female fashion magazines.

[867] And so much of it's driven by that.

[868] that becomes kind of the ideal of who's in vogue and who's in all these magazines.

[869] No, but we're not consuming those magazines, men, straight men, I'm not, or none of my friends are.

[870] But it's all a whole thing.

[871] It's like, you're saying you don't know any men who like models, but men like models.

[872] Like men like attractive models.

[873] That's the truth.

[874] Yeah, that's totally right.

[875] I would say that for me, even endeavoring to look a certain way, I truly don't feel the weight and pressure of any societal expectation on me. I really don't feel that.

[876] And again, maybe that's just having the privilege of having a fast metabolism and not really ever being super overweight.

[877] But I'm doing it because I think it's fun and weird.

[878] I feel like out of everyone I've ever talked to, you have the most healthy attitude about getting in shape out of all the men I've talked to who want to like look a certain way.

[879] In what way?

[880] I feel like that's what you're just saying right now before I interrupted you, that you sort of do it because you think it's fun and good and you don't like feel bad about yourself if you let it go.

[881] I don't feel bad about yourself if you're not like looking a certain way.

[882] I assume you don't have a lot of guilt associated with food.

[883] So I think you have a healthier attitude to this, certainly than I do, but also to a lot of the dudes I have talked to about this stuff.

[884] I have a theory of why because I'm not like him.

[885] If I get out of shape, I'm not happy.

[886] I'm like you.

[887] Yeah.

[888] And I would argue he's much cuter than us.

[889] Yeah.

[890] So for me, I never had the face I wanted.

[891] We need it.

[892] We need it.

[893] I didn't have the face I wanted, but I was like, well, you can't pick how your face looks, but I can control how my body looks.

[894] It was the outlet for my frustration with my face.

[895] I would say, I was actually going to give the same reason except in the adverse, meaning I always felt like my thing wasn't that I was attractive.

[896] was that I was like driven and smart and sometimes funny and I knew how to like create things and write and build things but that I wasn't necessarily attractive so that like becoming more attractive with my body and then losing that was like right I'm just going back to status quo meaning like I feel like when I see people who are really it happens more often to women than it does to men but people who are really really attractive when they're younger and then as they age they really start to fall apart psychologically because that is so much wrapped up in their identity proposition in their mind and so to me it's never been a part of my identity especially because you know i'm not chris hemisworth right so i'm like i'm not gonna ever be in a marvel movie so i'm not really when i lose it all the muscle i'm like whatever what the fuck i'm just going back to the way it was but when you're on vacation this is where it'll hit me like you're on vacation i'm with other dads one of our best friends charlie owns a crossfit gym this motherfucker looks ideal no matter what weight he is he went up to 260 this year at real dirty game whoa i love it like his fucking traps were swallowing his head there was like rolls on top of the traps i loved it and then when he gets lean i love it so i'm on vacation with him all the time and i will be bummed if i'm out of shape and i'm around him sure i get that yeah totally 260 that's a lot yes i'll get some pictures of him and as beefy as and I'll send them your way.

[897] And again, I also am smart enough, Rob, to recognize not one person that has taken a vacation with me, Dak Shepard, came because I'm in good shape.

[898] A thousand percent of people that want to be around me like my personality.

[899] So I agree that my value proposition isn't that.

[900] Rob, do you have an addictive personality or no?

[901] Doesn't seem like you do.

[902] He doesn't.

[903] It's crazy.

[904] I think I do.

[905] You do?

[906] I think I do.

[907] Yeah.

[908] I'm going to have discipline, but again, I think that's just a control thing.

[909] I remember, like, I was talking to you and Caitlin or just Caitlin about this where you had gotten done this crazy transformation and I hadn't and we were when we first met all we talked about was abs for the first like four times we hung out right and so I was talking to Caitlin and I was like so was he like obsessed with it was it was it hard she's like no he just kind of did it and he was fine and it made no sense to me that somebody could do it without being having that thing without having that thing without being obsessed with it without having I think I just try to build it in and compartmentalize it I mean, yeah, I felt, I don't know if addicted is the right word.

[910] I guess I just felt a measure of control over that particular thing.

[911] And then, look, it's also the benefit of having a lot, you know, I'm also running a show, running at the Apple show and then also sunny.

[912] So I've got a lot of other things going on, so I have to sort of compartmentalize.

[913] So, yeah, I don't know if it was because that I was doing it in a healthy way.

[914] I think I was just maybe overworked in other areas.

[915] and to create that modicum of control, I needed to compartmentalize.

[916] You had this mission, and you kind of bought yourself 10 hours a week to yourself.

[917] That's got to be part of the appeal as well.

[918] Without a doubt.

[919] Yeah.

[920] Like you said, because I also, I'll put on something I want to watch, whether it's a movie or I'm catching up on, I was watching Little America and working out.

[921] And people are like, well, no, you need to listen to rage against the machine, which I also do from time to time.

[922] But I also look at it at just my time.

[923] I can do whatever I want.

[924] Yes.

[925] And it's like a plausible excuse to get my time.

[926] Yeah.

[927] I'm going to bring up one thing that I remember about Caitlin.

[928] So the one time Caitlin was really attracted to your body was when you had gotten very heavy a few seasons before.

[929] And then you decided to start like lifting very heavy so that you were you were quite overweight.

[930] And then you turned a good portion of it into raw, powerful muscle.

[931] And she loved that.

[932] Yeah.

[933] And so what I think is like that makes sense.

[934] an evolutionary way, like, that red is powerful.

[935] Right.

[936] And the other thing reads is just vanity and, as you said, desperation.

[937] That's right, because you need a little bit of fat to be able to, like, survive.

[938] I'm aspiring.

[939] I'm trying, I think when I, when I chart my body shape as I get older, what I hope to have is almost like early John Goodman or even early Ed O 'Neill.

[940] Like, I used to be real strong, and now I got a little layer of fat, but the shoulders are still big.

[941] I got a gut, but my fucking shoulders are big.

[942] And that, to me, is, I think, where I'm heading.

[943] Yeah, but you're pretty tall for, like, those guys are much shorter than you.

[944] So you're, you're going to always look.

[945] Gangly?

[946] Yeah.

[947] Not in a bad way.

[948] I don't mean that bad.

[949] No, no, yeah.

[950] I mean, but let's talk about Once Upon a Time in Hollywood for a second.

[951] Because Brad pops that shirt off up on, up on that roof, right?

[952] And, God damn it.

[953] There was a gasp in the theater.

[954] Yeah, yeah.

[955] It's a shot.

[956] I mean, how, how does he still look like that?

[957] But take a look at that.

[958] That is not a crazy body.

[959] That just, it's just very lean.

[960] He's just made right, you know.

[961] He's just made right.

[962] I had to up my profile age on Raya after I saw that because I can't, you know.

[963] Yeah, you can't weed that out.

[964] Yeah, I can't weed that out.

[965] Can't weed that out.

[966] That's real.

[967] She came home and changed it from 49 to whatever his age is, 55 or whatever he does.

[968] Just in case.

[969] Just in case.

[970] How's Raya?

[971] Awful.

[972] I was on it for like a couple days.

[973] So we have this other, We have this other podcast, Monica and Jess Love Boys, about relationships.

[974] Which we should have been guests on, basically.

[975] Yeah, about relationships.

[976] And we have assignments at the end of each episode, and one of mine was to get on a dating app.

[977] So I got on Raya, and I don't enjoy it.

[978] But I did it.

[979] And I up to my age so that Brad Pitt could fall in line.

[980] Into the trap.

[981] Snair him in.

[982] Exactly.

[983] Yeah.

[984] No, he looks amazing.

[985] And he's like kind of the perfect, I mean, he's the perfect movie star.

[986] He is, of all, for me, yeah, he just, he's everything.

[987] Now, can I ask how you guys even know one another?

[988] We met at a Game of Thrones premiere.

[989] Literally, I'm not, he was not exaggerating.

[990] Our very first conversation.

[991] I think the first thing he ever said to me was, do you have abs?

[992] I think, I really do think that.

[993] I remember walking over to you.

[994] I don't know if it was the exact first thing I said.

[995] He said, you guys all, you were talking about me and Glenn.

[996] You said, you and Glenn are in good shape, do you have abs?

[997] I've always wanted abs.

[998] That is the first sentence you said.

[999] And I remember turning to Caitlin and I'm like, I like, I'm going to get along with this guy.

[1000] I'm going to get along with him.

[1001] I remember being sort of ashamed because we would talk about that stuff at these things and we were running into events all the time because I was like, I'm going to get abs.

[1002] And then you text him like months later and you were like, how's that abs thing going?

[1003] And I was like, it's not going, man. This is the first time I've had him.

[1004] I didn't know what they look like until now.

[1005] Yeah.

[1006] Turns out they're a little.

[1007] asymmetric.

[1008] I'm fine with that.

[1009] I don't, I have no...

[1010] Asymmetric in what way?

[1011] Because sometimes when I look at down, up and down.

[1012] Oh, I love that.

[1013] That's one of my favorite things.

[1014] I'm trying to think who has that where they have an eight pack, but it's just a little bit, one side's higher than the other.

[1015] That's what it is.

[1016] I love that.

[1017] It's like up, it's like not aligned.

[1018] That's great.

[1019] Now, do you lose sleep over that?

[1020] I don't.

[1021] It does not bother me. I don't know.

[1022] Because you're saying that, but...

[1023] Now, if I could snap my fingers and make them symmetric, would I?

[1024] Yeah, I'm snapping my fingers.

[1025] However, I'm fine with it.

[1026] Wow, it's something I would have never even thought about.

[1027] To break down that photo, I think your crowning achievement, though, from my point of view, was the vascularity.

[1028] I just don't know how you went from almost no vascularity to that extreme of vascularity.

[1029] Well, I've been fairly vascular my whole life.

[1030] Like, not on the shoulders, not a lot, but like my forearms.

[1031] And even when I wasn't really working out in shape every now and then you could see like a bicep vein going down both, you know?

[1032] So pretty vascular.

[1033] For that, there's some tricks you do, right?

[1034] Oh, tell me. I dehydrated myself a little bit for that picture.

[1035] Great.

[1036] Right.

[1037] I took nitric oxide.

[1038] Have you ever taken that?

[1039] No. What does that do?

[1040] Oh, nitric oxide is a pre -workout.

[1041] It's fucking great.

[1042] Oh.

[1043] You've never taken...

[1044] No. I used to huff that in ice school.

[1045] That's nitrous.

[1046] Oh, okay.

[1047] This is not...

[1048] Nitric oxide is a pre -workout or you just drink some beet juice.

[1049] Okay.

[1050] That's got it in there.

[1051] Your body naturally makes it.

[1052] You can take supplements to, like, up it.

[1053] It's a vasodilator.

[1054] So the thinking is it gives you a little more stamina.

[1055] You can work out more.

[1056] Okay.

[1057] Well, the one thing I knew is that your nose is what creates nitrous oxide.

[1058] Oh, is that right?

[1059] Yes, that when you breathe through your mouth, it doesn't convert oxygen into nitric oxide.

[1060] But I do know that you're breathing through your nose does that.

[1061] Okay.

[1062] So I have this nose strip I wear sometimes when I work out to try to get that.

[1063] Well, if you want to try it, I did too much of it.

[1064] Oh.

[1065] And then it like, I started, because I loved it so much because you look in the mirror, suddenly you got veins popping, you know?

[1066] Yeah.

[1067] What was the side effects of doing too much?

[1068] I started getting rosacea on my face.

[1069] Like my face started turning real.

[1070] just because almost worth it though right we're like were there moments where you're like I can handle this I know I know and and it was just getting worse and worse and I was like I got and I cut it out and then it just like won away I mostly want to be lean just so my face looks lean like that is very important to me like if I look at how my face looked two years ago it looks so different now yes even from when I interviewed you yeah you like it looks like your jaw like you got I just I mean my body fact got really low right so it just like I look so difference.

[1071] So to me, the reason I don't want to, I want to still have abs, but I really don't want like my face to not look how sort of lean it looks right now.

[1072] See, now on the opposite.

[1073] So when I get as lean as you need to be for an eight pack, which I've done a few times, my face just caves in and I look terrible.

[1074] It's just a humongous nose.

[1075] So, but again, sometimes I've been like kind of worth having that bad of a face to have abs.

[1076] Yeah, well, I got there in August, right?

[1077] We had rehearsals for a month and I was like doing a heavy cut and I was working out too and I started to look really good and the producer was like hey we're a little worried about you because they were like you look like you're really like leaning out too much and he was like your face is starting to look like he was like concave gone little concave and I looked in the mirror and I saw like just like lines on my cheek you know like laugh lines yeah yeah yeah I got I got that as well you did Yeah.

[1078] I had a couple of talkings too that people were like, look, we got to, we got to rain this in a little bit.

[1079] Yeah, and but Charlie was doing it once a week.

[1080] And at one point, he was like, look, man, you, you look sick.

[1081] Oh, really?

[1082] You look sick in the face.

[1083] And I said to Caitlin, do I look sick?

[1084] And she said, I've been telling you you look sick for the past fucking three months.

[1085] So I knew, that's when I stopped running.

[1086] One thing that I didn't even realize wasn't happen.

[1087] This is a benefit.

[1088] I think it's a benefit.

[1089] But one.

[1090] thing I didn't even realize wasn't happening from the ages of about 14 till about 37 a man every single day wakes up in the erection right every single day and then you kind of I forgot like it just goes away but then all of a sudden I'm increasing my testosterone back to what I was like when I was 20 and then the next thing I know I'm waking up every day and I'm like oh what's this yeah wow this is fun yeah right I remember, this was what it was like for 30 years.

[1091] And then I started to get depressed for a quick second was like, I could have done this at any point.

[1092] When I was in my 20s, when my testosterone was like levels were like they are in their 20s, I could have done this and I didn't.

[1093] But that's what shows me that I didn't care.

[1094] Like I really didn't care really in a real way up until about four or five years ago.

[1095] Then that made me wonder, wait, am I actually caring now because I'm in the middle of my life and because I'm starting to realize like, oh, shit, I'm not going to be able to do this.

[1096] This is your last window.

[1097] This is my last window.

[1098] So I'm going to take full advantage of it right now.

[1099] Like, is this really, and maybe this isn't that Freudian or pulling back the onion, but like, is this really not only just a control thing, but is it a fear of death?

[1100] For me, certainly that's a big part of it.

[1101] Getting older.

[1102] I've always been terrified of being older.

[1103] like I'm 41 but like I remember when I was in like the seventh grade I would look at the sixth grade as be like oh they're so young you know I always had that I'm not joking I would like lie about my age and shit so for me it was part of it was I had this opportunity and I really wanted to make the most of it but it was also knowing if I didn't do it now it just would not happen and I never would have looked the way I wanted to look when I was like when I was like 12 or 13 I was like someday I'll look a certain way, you know.

[1104] And you never, I never got to it.

[1105] Stay tuned for more armchair expert, if you dare.

[1106] Okay, so I have a very, very distinct memory of when I decided I was going to get in shape.

[1107] I know exactly where it was.

[1108] I was at La Quinta, that resort in Palm Springs.

[1109] I was with my mother.

[1110] She took me there.

[1111] And I was probably 23.

[1112] and there were some older dudes on who knows a bachelor trip golf trip whatever these guys again who knows because i was 23 but i would guess they were about 45 or so and one of the guys like talking and then he just went down and ripped out probably 30 plus pushups and i remember thinking i couldn't possibly do more than 10 pushups and that guy is 45 how fucking embarrassing like i remember feeling humiliated that that old man was doing three or four times the amount of pushups I could do.

[1113] And I came home from that trip and I'm like, I have to get strong.

[1114] It's not just going to happen.

[1115] I must be that guy when I'm 45.

[1116] It's also hard for you because you got long arms.

[1117] So pushups are way harder.

[1118] Thank you for saying that.

[1119] Because pull -ups are harder.

[1120] Yeah, everything.

[1121] I started going to the gym when I was 14 or 15.

[1122] You did.

[1123] And do you remember, was there an exact moment where you're like, it's time to take action?

[1124] I had very, very little shoulders.

[1125] At some point, someone in school called me chicken shoulders.

[1126] Okay.

[1127] I remember me, but look at a chicken's shoulder.

[1128] And he wasn't even making fun of me. He was just like concerned.

[1129] He was like, you have the shoulders of a chicken.

[1130] The chickens have shoulders.

[1131] They don't.

[1132] No, they don't.

[1133] They got a neck.

[1134] And so I don't remember if that happened in the next week.

[1135] I went to the gym, but I do know that when I would go to the gym, I would think about that.

[1136] And so I started going to this.

[1137] like sports club by my house and it was me and everybody else was older except there was one kid who was my age 15 and he was fucking shredded oh wow like he looked great you know there's this disease that um gives you there's no side effect there's no like medical downsize you just have very little body fat and twice the amount of muscle have you seen these like kids who are all like jacked yes i know exactly the little kids who are jacked yeah i think this guy might have had that okay He was super shredded.

[1138] He was the only one my age and then everyone else was older than me and I'd go like work out there for...

[1139] He just has to be careful in cold climates.

[1140] That's the only downside.

[1141] That's the only downside.

[1142] He doesn't have that fat layer.

[1143] And he's in Pakistan.

[1144] He's fucking got it in Maine.

[1145] Yeah, he's born in the perfect, perfect location.

[1146] And so Rob was there a moment that you...

[1147] Because you worked out long before you started doing the crazy transformation.

[1148] I was just actually, we were talking about moments.

[1149] I was just thinking about like, like what was my proudest moment?

[1150] What was the time where I was like, okay i've achieved what i wanted to achieve and again it's like abject vanity but we were in mexico and it was like right after we were done shooting so that was like to your point it was like a week later so i was like just in prime shape and so i'm enjoying myself and yet still looking pretty good and this guy comes over to me and he says i know this is weird man would you mind taking a photo with my wife and I said no sure that I'll take photo no big deal so we're by the pool and his wife comes over and she's like hey and I'm like hey and we stand next to each other and we take the photo and then I said oh how long you how long you've been watching the show and she goes what show and he goes I said what a compliment do you know do you don't know sunny he goes what's sunny and I go why did you have to take a photo with me he goes because you got the best body I've ever and I wanted my wife to stand next to you while he took this photo I went back to Caitlin I was like you gotta go you gotta go talk to that you gotta meet this guy you gotta be by the way I would so prefer to have someone want to take a picture with me because my body was good than that I've succeeded it in show business which is preposter with preposter certainly I you can only say that because you've succeeded in show business I guess either fucking way I blasted off to the moon.

[1151] Oh, that is.

[1152] My synapses were firing like crazy men.

[1153] Do you think he wanted you to come into the hotel room and plow his wife?

[1154] No, I mean, that was, like, it wasn't a sexual thing.

[1155] Okay.

[1156] It was more just like aesthetically.

[1157] Appreciation.

[1158] Just pure appreciation.

[1159] And then earlier, I realized like, oh, I saw them and their group of friends like, look at me and whisper and I was like, oh, okay, showbiz related.

[1160] No, it wasn't.

[1161] Oh, my God, this is the dream.

[1162] It was body related.

[1163] And then he, yes, and then the guy said, yeah, my buddy was like making fun of you, right?

[1164] But not, you know, in like a way that, of course, like, hey, who's this fucking toolback?

[1165] And by the way, he was right.

[1166] Yeah, yeah.

[1167] I am a toolbag.

[1168] And he, and then they started talking about my body.

[1169] And they talked about it for 15, 20 minutes.

[1170] And then then he started comparing himself, then he was defending himself.

[1171] And then, you don't know what it takes to look like that.

[1172] That guy's in the gym for six hours.

[1173] He's miserable.

[1174] The fact that my body caused like a. 15 to 20 minute conversation.

[1175] I was like, this is people.

[1176] We've come to the point of the interview where I think it would be appropriate to thank you guys to talk about some things that are coming out.

[1177] First and foremost, Rob, your show is absolutely incredible.

[1178] I watched it.

[1179] You directed the episode 105, which I thought was just perfectly, perfectly done.

[1180] What's it called?

[1181] It's called Mythic Quest, Ravens Banquet.

[1182] Continuing your tradition of naming shows in absolutely baffling ways.

[1183] Yes.

[1184] What we try to do is confusing.

[1185] use people as much as possible.

[1186] Yeah, it's a great recipe.

[1187] It worked on the first one.

[1188] Yeah.

[1189] He did.

[1190] Yeah.

[1191] But he directed, uh, you're going to love it.

[1192] Because remember how beautiful the dance scene was?

[1193] Yes.

[1194] I mean, it was truly, truly epically beautiful.

[1195] We bought it.

[1196] We watched it a dozen times.

[1197] It's so great.

[1198] Not just because you look so great, which you do.

[1199] It's part of it.

[1200] But it's just beautiful.

[1201] This episode is so fucking heartbreaking and so beautiful.

[1202] I'm so proud to Rob.

[1203] He did such a beautiful job.

[1204] The music's wonderful.

[1205] It's shot perfectly.

[1206] It's acted brilliantly.

[1207] our guy, Jake Johnson, is the star of that episode, and he's phenomenal, and the woman is...

[1208] Christa Miliati.

[1209] Yeah, she's phenomenal.

[1210] She's from how I met your mother, right?

[1211] It's a really beautiful, heartbreaking episode of what is a really, really funny show, but it's in the middle of it, and it's just wonderful.

[1212] It's like an episode, so you can watch that episode without watching the rest of the season.

[1213] It's like a Master of a Nunn episode or, yeah.

[1214] Oh, I can't wait.

[1215] Fleabagie.

[1216] I mean, it's really fucking phenomenal.

[1217] And then Camille, obviously all this.

[1218] body work was not for a comedy.

[1219] No, no. But I have a show on Apple TV Plus, too, called Little America.

[1220] Wait, you're on Little America?

[1221] I'm not on it.

[1222] I just created it and produced it.

[1223] Oh, you did?

[1224] I just created it.

[1225] Okay, no. But I'm not on it.

[1226] Well, me, Emily Gordon, my wife, and Lee Eisenberg.

[1227] Do you know Lee?

[1228] He's a writer.

[1229] We created it together and then we produced it.

[1230] But it's a show, it's an anthology show based on true stories of immigrants to America.

[1231] but it's fictionalized.

[1232] So that's there right now.

[1233] So you two, sitting in this room, you have 40 % of the content on Apple.

[1234] Yes.

[1235] I don't want to show off, but we're the best reviewed shows on Apple TV Plus.

[1236] By, I would say, a solid margin.

[1237] That's great.

[1238] And then I got a movie coming out with Issa Ray on April 3rd called Lovebirds.

[1239] Lovebirds.

[1240] And you and I talked about that when you were here the first time because I absolutely adore her.

[1241] Well, she's great.

[1242] She just finished a new.

[1243] season of Insecure.

[1244] So let's promote that.

[1245] That comes out in April 2.

[1246] Uh -huh.

[1247] Yeah.

[1248] But the Marvel movie is called...

[1249] It's called Eternals.

[1250] And it comes out November 6th.

[1251] November 6th.

[1252] Is this so exciting to you?

[1253] Yeah, man. I can't wait.

[1254] I can't wait to see it because I don't know what this is going to be, you know.

[1255] Well, they're all good.

[1256] That's so you're, I mean...

[1257] I know, but, you know, it's like Russian roulette, right?

[1258] There's one bullet in the chamber.

[1259] Somebody's going to get it.

[1260] I don't know about that.

[1261] I hope not.

[1262] I hope not us.

[1263] But, but...

[1264] But, yeah, it was really fun to do.

[1265] It's got a crazy cast.

[1266] Who else is in it?

[1267] Angelina Jolie, Selma Hayek, Richard Madden, Jemachin, Don Lee, Leah McHugh, Lauren Ridloff, oh, Brian Tyree Henry, Barry Keowen.

[1268] I mean, we have the best time.

[1269] So it's like a superhero.

[1270] We're like a superhero team.

[1271] So that's November 6th.

[1272] It was really, really fun to shoot.

[1273] And it's a crazy bananas concept.

[1274] Like, the movie started over thousands of years.

[1275] Oh, really?

[1276] Yeah, we're like these immortal beings.

[1277] who were thousands of years old.

[1278] So it's set over like many different time periods.

[1279] And is your superpower a secret?

[1280] No, I can shoot things from my hands.

[1281] Energy?

[1282] Energy, yeah, I shoot energy from my hands.

[1283] You don't need a ton of muscles to shoot energy from your hands.

[1284] No, but I went and got it.

[1285] Okay, so it started with its complete vanity.

[1286] It is.

[1287] It's control issues.

[1288] Then it fucks with your head.

[1289] It's hard to leave that.

[1290] Maybe impossible to leave it.

[1291] But I will say this.

[1292] One thing I do think is admirable.

[1293] both of you, and then I'll even give myself credit for this, is I like the notion that we didn't accept one version of life.

[1294] I think that's aspirational.

[1295] Like, I want to try that.

[1296] That's not me. I've never been that way.

[1297] I'm going to do all the work to see if I can do that.

[1298] I think that's cool.

[1299] Yeah, and I was very proud of myself for doing it because it just takes so long.

[1300] The process is so slow, and you just kind of have to trust that it'll happen.

[1301] Because aren't you at many times going, oh, I'm just genetically, I'm chicken shoulders.

[1302] All the time.

[1303] I won't get there.

[1304] All the time.

[1305] All the things you're supposed to do.

[1306] I didn't think genetically I was ever capable of doing it.

[1307] Yeah.

[1308] I mean, look, all three of us had the privilege and the opportunity to do something like this.

[1309] You have the full weight of a studio behind you.

[1310] Oh, my God.

[1311] You have the infrastructure.

[1312] I mean, kind of do it without that.

[1313] So all that said, there is something to the fact that you have accomplished something, you've changed something very dramatic about your life.

[1314] And I know it's sounds kind of ridiculous, but to me, when I was kind of in the middle of it, and I realized that I had completely transformed myself, I realized like, wow, I can take this and apply this to so many different aspects of my life.

[1315] Like, no matter how difficult something is, I have literally transformed my biology.

[1316] Yeah.

[1317] Or at least my physiology, which is difficult.

[1318] And I'm not a proponent of getting an eight pack.

[1319] I have no position on that, but I am a humongous proponent of physical exercise.

[1320] And to your point of you having less anxiety and sleeping better, I mentally, like, forget the vanity, that is a huge component, but mentally I have to do that, or I think I'd have to be on pretty serious antidepressants.

[1321] Yeah.

[1322] And there's something to be said, too, for, I mean, I've been on a television show for 14 years.

[1323] I have a new show.

[1324] We've got a lot going on.

[1325] And this is the thing that people ask me about more than anything else.

[1326] I have a show about, like, immigrant stories, and they're like, so.

[1327] How about the bot, huh?

[1328] Yeah.

[1329] It's just something people are fascinated with.

[1330] Yeah.

[1331] People are like, you're probably sick of talking about this.

[1332] I'm like, no, not at all.

[1333] It's all I want to talk about.

[1334] There is not one woman listening to this.

[1335] I wonder.

[1336] Except Monica.

[1337] I don't think Monica's been listening.

[1338] I've been here half the time.

[1339] She's been away.

[1340] I am so sorry, Monica, but you had to listen to her.

[1341] Well, no, it's fascinating.

[1342] I will say it's vulnerable to talk about this kind of thing like this.

[1343] Well, I think the same thing.

[1344] Be very open about it.

[1345] Because you sound like fucking idiots.

[1346] No, I mean...

[1347] I think the same thing will happen with this episode that happened with your show, which is we think we're in on the joke.

[1348] And people will listen to it and go like, oh, they think they're in on the joke.

[1349] And they're not...

[1350] Listen to what they're saying and how serious they take it.

[1351] They're not in on the joke.

[1352] Yeah.

[1353] And that's a great walkway.

[1354] I welcome it.

[1355] Yeah.

[1356] All right, well, love both of you guys.

[1357] I'm so excited to be a part of this triangle of friendship.

[1358] I hope we can do...

[1359] We got a lift together is what we got to do.

[1360] Oh, I'd love to do it.

[1361] Oh, I can't wait.

[1362] We should go to Rob.

[1363] We've got to go to Rob's a beautiful gym.

[1364] We'll start with bench breasts.

[1365] We'll start working out at 10 a .m. All right.

[1366] Love you guys.

[1367] Thank you for having us.

[1368] And now my favorite part of the show, the fact check with my soulmate Monica Padman.

[1369] Mama, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, how you doing?

[1370] Good.

[1371] We just had a hearty, hearty, hearty lunch.

[1372] Oh, rich.

[1373] It was not in.

[1374] under my vegan plan.

[1375] But we're off that for the time being until we get your brain all sorted.

[1376] Taking a little break.

[1377] A little breaky.

[1378] You've ever heard this thing that like in the middle ages, the dark ages, that, you know, peasants, they ate such scraps and just grain that they could eat too rich of a meal and it would kill them?

[1379] I kind of feel like we just had a meal that might kill one and or all three of us.

[1380] It was so decadent.

[1381] Yeah, when they ate like rich people's food, they died.

[1382] Yeah, like a big side of them.

[1383] a pig or something.

[1384] This is relevant to this episode on men's bodies.

[1385] Oh, right.

[1386] Because what you put in your body is what comes out your butt.

[1387] And also affects your weight, affects your mental attitude.

[1388] Yeah.

[1389] And aptitude.

[1390] How are you feeling?

[1391] Germ -wise?

[1392] Yeah.

[1393] We're great.

[1394] How many germs do you think you have right now?

[1395] A billion.

[1396] Oh, that's good.

[1397] I think every human's carrying around a billion germs.

[1398] I kind of want to be on record in case I'm right.

[1399] I'm probably 99 % wrong.

[1400] Okay.

[1401] But I really believe this in my heart.

[1402] So in case it turns out I'm right, I want to be on record.

[1403] Okay.

[1404] I think we all already had coronavirus.

[1405] Oh.

[1406] Okay.

[1407] Everyone in L .A. had this sickness end of December.

[1408] Are you talking about the puking one?

[1409] Just let me lay out my case.

[1410] But I need to know which one you're talking about before you lay it out.

[1411] Yeah, that was part of it.

[1412] But then it lasted for like six weeks.

[1413] And almost everyone I know in L .A. had this.

[1414] this flu that lasted like six weeks and it was the cough that held on forever.

[1415] You know what I'm talking about.

[1416] You had it.

[1417] Yeah.

[1418] You said you think you still have it.

[1419] I mean, I've been sick since January 1st, for sure.

[1420] Right.

[1421] So hold on.

[1422] Let me just lay out my theory.

[1423] I think we already had coronavirus and the people that went to the doctor during that time, they're like, yeah, you got the flu.

[1424] They didn't test for coronavirus, the C -O -V -I -D -19.

[1425] It's, I think we already have it.

[1426] No one got tested specifically for that.

[1427] I think it's already been global.

[1428] That's my prediction.

[1429] Also, don't make any of your life decisions based on what I just said.

[1430] I don't want to get sued by anyone.

[1431] I'm not advising anything.

[1432] But this is my armchair theory that we already all have coronavirus.

[1433] Yeah, I don't think so.

[1434] I think more people would have been dying early.

[1435] Well, people are dying from influenza by the thousands, but we just go, oh, it's influenza.

[1436] No, they can tell that that's the current.

[1437] and flu strain.

[1438] I think it's quite possible that when an old person in a nursing home dies of pneumonia, they're not running the results of their death to the lab to discover anything.

[1439] I just think they go, oh, they're old, they died a pneumonia that happens to 5 % of old people.

[1440] I don't think they're doing an investigation.

[1441] So you just have people dying as people in old folks' homes do, and no one's like looking any deeper than that.

[1442] But then you have this Chinese doctor who's like this is a specific thing and then they start looking for it and when they look for it they find it maybe i don't know you don't know but i was around my grandparents who are old yeah and they're still alive right but it's only going to kill two percent but they're not sick and they would have definitely gotten it if i was carrying it well but you may have no longer been contagious?

[1443] No, because my symptoms all started right around that time.

[1444] Oh, you were sneezing and coughing and blowing your nose around them.

[1445] Touching all their remote controls and their...

[1446] I was around them.

[1447] Were you touching their...

[1448] It's a very contagious virus.

[1449] Right.

[1450] So if I was carrying, which that would have been the time I was carrying because when I got January 1st is when I started to feel symptoms.

[1451] Okay.

[1452] They would have...

[1453] They would have gone in.

[1454] They would probably be not with us.

[1455] Well, that's an interesting hypothesis.

[1456] Why?

[1457] That makes sense.

[1458] I was around two extremely susceptible people.

[1459] So if I had it, most likely they would have, okay.

[1460] Well, they may have gotten it, and they just didn't die of it.

[1461] They're not strong enough.

[1462] No, listen, not everyone they get, very small, 2 % of people who get it die from it.

[1463] Yeah, and generally those people are elderly or have a compromised immune system.

[1464] Yes.

[1465] Both things apply.

[1466] right to those two people so I just there's no way they wouldn't have at least maybe they would maybe they would still be with us will you call them and see if they got sick when you left i can't call them right now why because they're they're sick too sick to answer what of your grandpa's about oh oh anyway so you feel like we all had it I don't and I'm I'm what John Oliver said I am Not panicking Not panicked But also Aware Washing my hands I'm going to the doctor tomorrow I'm not thrilled about that Right But you're not What kind of doctor are you going to General practitioner?

[1467] Yeah Oh you should be concerned Why are you even going What are they doing there?

[1468] I'm getting a urine test And I also have to begrudge her For not catching my seizure Okay so you're going to with a grievance.

[1469] Yeah.

[1470] Okay.

[1471] So you're going to give her a stool sample, a grievance report, a blood tape, and a urine test.

[1472] Oh, my God.

[1473] No, but I do have to tell her about it.

[1474] And I want her to feel bad.

[1475] I'll be honest.

[1476] Okay, great.

[1477] You know, I saw her about like five days before the seizure happened, and I told her, you know, last year I was here, I had this incident, it feels unresolved, and I don't feel right about it.

[1478] Yeah.

[1479] And she was very dismissive.

[1480] Yeah.

[1481] So I'm going to want her to feel badly, real bad.

[1482] Okay.

[1483] All right.

[1484] Now, I don't think they're going to learn anything without a stool sample.

[1485] I'm telling you.

[1486] Are you even listening to anything I'm saying?

[1487] I can repeat every single thing you said.

[1488] You're just thinking in your head about something funny to say about poop always.

[1489] No, I'm just saying I think they need to get in there and look at your stool.

[1490] For what?

[1491] To find out what's going on.

[1492] Why do you think they take stool samples?

[1493] Not for the amusement of the doctor.

[1494] They definitely don't do it for anything brain -related.

[1495] Well, I shouldn't say that.

[1496] I guess I don't know.

[1497] Maybe they do.

[1498] But they don't.

[1499] They do it for like...

[1500] Lower G .I. I have given one.

[1501] Ooh.

[1502] Go on.

[1503] It was because I had a...

[1504] What turned out to be a kidney infection.

[1505] Oh, my God.

[1506] Yeah.

[1507] And they found it through examining your stool.

[1508] I don't think they actually found anything, but that is something they requested.

[1509] Okay.

[1510] Anyway.

[1511] Moving on.

[1512] The male physique.

[1513] Yeah, men's bodies.

[1514] Men's bodies is.

[1515] What an interesting time that was.

[1516] For you?

[1517] For all of us.

[1518] Yeah, I don't know how we sound it because I was in it.

[1519] You know what I'm saying?

[1520] Because I was affected by the disorder we were discussing.

[1521] But you were on the outside very clearly.

[1522] So what was it like from your vantage point?

[1523] Yeah, I mean, it's just so clearly an obsession.

[1524] Uh -huh.

[1525] That, in my opinion, obsessions aren't good.

[1526] Right.

[1527] Generally.

[1528] Yeah.

[1529] I mean, they can have good outcomes.

[1530] Sure.

[1531] Like, if people who eat obsessively healthy, they'll have a good outcome, probably.

[1532] Maybe.

[1533] Or exercise.

[1534] And same with exercise.

[1535] You can, you can overdo it if it becomes an obsession.

[1536] It seems like maybe you guys have all tipped a little bit.

[1537] I don't think I've overdone it.

[1538] Okay.

[1539] Yeah, I see guys that.

[1540] are like 230 pounds of beefcake steroid -induced muscle.

[1541] That's true.

[1542] That's not me. But if you're all consumed by it, which may, you're not, I guess.

[1543] No. I mean, you got to be when you're doing what Kamal just did or what I did and went in Rome or what Rob did last year.

[1544] Exactly.

[1545] The several months leading up to that, yeah, you got to have a one -track mind about it.

[1546] Because you have to eat fucking perfect.

[1547] And I'm using the word perfect as perfect for that look.

[1548] It's not a perfect diet.

[1549] No. But there is a specific way to eat to look like that.

[1550] Yeah.

[1551] And there's no wiggle room.

[1552] Yeah.

[1553] I just think it's so interesting because it's so internal.

[1554] It really has nothing.

[1555] I mean, I guess you're getting some validation from some men.

[1556] Men, yeah.

[1557] But it just has nothing to do.

[1558] With the way anyone wants to be around you.

[1559] In fact, I bet like you were not as fun to be around when you were on that diet.

[1560] I would guess.

[1561] Well, right.

[1562] I could barely eat anywhere.

[1563] When we did Disneyland, I was about to pass out because they didn't serve anything on my meal plan.

[1564] Right.

[1565] This is what I'm saying.

[1566] Then you just become a nuisance.

[1567] Obsessive minds, do this.

[1568] I have one too, so I get it.

[1569] I get it.

[1570] Even when I'm exercising regularly, I am aware I need to do this.

[1571] This is good for me, but let's not be too severe.

[1572] well even when you do it you're streaky and compulsive about it so like you went home and you were going to run every single day that you were home yeah and it became like a huge it was not tiny habits it was big big but when i say about severity so at one point i felt like i was getting sick corona okay and i thought to myself i was like it was a real struggle in my head of do i i always work out sick yeah it's not good for you i believe that it raises my body temp and kills germs Okay Light exercise is good So a little bit of that is good Yeah But pushing your body Is not good Okay When you're sick I got confirmation From a couple doctors on that Okay Anyhow So I was just aware of like Don't be so stringent in this That then you become sick And then you can't work out Which ultimately I guess did happen Well do you run in a jogging suit I would love to see Close?

[1573] No, I mean, I'm picturing you in your parents' neighborhood jogging right now, which is the most adorable image.

[1574] Like, if I was driving my car through the neighborhood, like, oh, oh, the Duxan's got a new veranda.

[1575] And then I just see you trotting along, plodding along.

[1576] I picture you in kind of a thicker sweatsuit, a little baggy here and there, draw a string.

[1577] Okay.

[1578] Is that what you work out in?

[1579] First of all, there's no verandas in my parents' name.

[1580] neighborhood.

[1581] Okay.

[1582] Two, you see me in workout clothes all the time.

[1583] In Los Angeles.

[1584] Yeah.

[1585] Yeah, but you were home in Georgia's, a little chillier, so I thought maybe you had a big, like, rocky style sweatsuit.

[1586] Oh, my goodness.

[1587] You know, thick champion sweatsuit.

[1588] Okay.

[1589] No. I was in regular workout clothes.

[1590] Like yoga pants?

[1591] Yeah.

[1592] My regular clothes.

[1593] Little lemon shout out.

[1594] Oh.

[1595] And you're also wrong.

[1596] I worked out on the treadmill.

[1597] Oh, well, that's completely different.

[1598] Sure.

[1599] Then you might as well stay in your yoga attire.

[1600] Yeah.

[1601] Your lemons.

[1602] My looos.

[1603] Yeah.

[1604] Yeah.

[1605] Anyway, obsessions.

[1606] Yes, obsession.

[1607] Do you think you're obsessed with it or no?

[1608] Well, I think in general I'm a very obsessive person, yeah.

[1609] Yeah.

[1610] I'm just in float.

[1611] I've been in float mode for two years.

[1612] It doesn't require like chips.

[1613] Like chips was five, six days a week working out, very specific diet, then a cutting phase.

[1614] Yeah, okay.

[1615] Yeah.

[1616] I mean, I wonder, do we think people who are not in this industry do this?

[1617] I think they might, which makes me fearful.

[1618] Bodybuilders do.

[1619] I mean like your average person working at an office.

[1620] I can't imagine why they would.

[1621] That's my point, but I think they might, and then that makes me nervous.

[1622] There's nothing damaging to your body to do that, what we were doing.

[1623] I don't know.

[1624] Yeah.

[1625] I don't think it's good for your body to go through these intense spurts of physical change and then nod and then again.

[1626] Periods of starvation lead to longevity.

[1627] I think shocking your body is good for your body personally.

[1628] Okay.

[1629] Well, again, we don't have a doctor in here to tell us, but I...

[1630] We don't.

[1631] Even if we had five doctors, none of them would agree.

[1632] I think consistency, healthy consistency, is what your body needs.

[1633] Mm -hmm.

[1634] Anywho, it was lovely having those two in because I like them so much.

[1635] Yes, they're the most lovely boys.

[1636] Yeah, they're fun boys.

[1637] So Sean Kant, did you fart?

[1638] Yeah.

[1639] So Sean...

[1640] I mean, I have farted throughout this fact check, but at the beginning.

[1641] Oh.

[1642] And I was waiting to see if I was going to get to you, and I was delighted it didn't.

[1643] Listen.

[1644] Don't you feel like there could be a fit?

[1645] that you attach to your butthole and then the fart would just pass through it and there's some kind of fiber in there whether it's got silver or one of these cure -alls and it catches the particles that smell and then just lets the gas pass through the netting but then the smell particles are like building up in that on the filter yeah yeah and then you throw the filter presumably in the trash every day in the in the toilet you'd flush oh you can't flush silver oh okay well then you'd put it in the outdoor trash can at the end of every night where would the filter be because the filter would then start to smell well the filter would smell terrible yeah the filter would be attached to your anus attached like in the hole picture of maxi packs okay it would have an adhesive and it would cover your butthole and then as you farted the air would pass through and then in the copper and silver fibers it would catch the molecules that stink and then at the end of the day the filter would be full of those molecules and you throw them in the outside trash It would be so uncomfortable to have like a sticky thing In your asshole all day Full of poop particles Oh hold on we don't know that Yes we do Okay We haven't beta tested it Of the three of us I'm inventing it fine I'm gonna prove you two wrong Of the three of us I know the most about having to put stuff up and near my genital area.

[1646] Right.

[1647] And it's not comfortable, even the most comfortable version of it.

[1648] Okay.

[1649] And the sticky version is not comfortable.

[1650] It's not good.

[1651] No. And that's at least even attached to your underwear.

[1652] This one would be attached to your actual skin surface.

[1653] I'm going to hang out in CVS behind an aisle, and I'm going to wait for, if you know, it takes weeks, for you to enter CVS, only.

[1654] to see that the new hot selling item is Dax Shepard's Fart Filters.

[1655] Oh my God.

[1656] And there's a line of people and I'm a billionaire and I'm going to I'm going to point at the fart filters and then I'm going to laugh.

[1657] Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

[1658] You were wrong.

[1659] You're going to point at the used fart filters.

[1660] No, they're hanging their new Dax Shepard's furt filters.

[1661] Your finger's going to stink and then you're going to point it at me. It comes with gloves to remove and put on and off the filter.

[1662] It's a very sanitary option.

[1663] No, no. No. It works the same as a fart pillow.

[1664] Think about how many germs are on that filter.

[1665] I know.

[1666] Would you rather have them caught in your underpants, in your denim?

[1667] No. Certainly your denim's already acting as a gas filter.

[1668] Just so you know.

[1669] Whether you like it or not, you too, Rob.

[1670] All y 'all's clothing is a functional filter.

[1671] And I'll tell you how you could know.

[1672] I urge you to try this at home.

[1673] Tonight, when you get into your meandies, you'll have a two.

[1674] You always do in bed.

[1675] Immediately rip them off.

[1676] and then smell the fabric.

[1677] And I'll tell you that the particles will have been trapped in there.

[1678] Ew.

[1679] Here's what will happen if you're using a Dax Shepherd Fart filter.

[1680] You'll put in bed, you rip your underwear off, you smell your underwear.

[1681] Oh my God, there's nothing.

[1682] Why?

[1683] Because you have a filter on that blocked it before it got your Miondi's.

[1684] Even when you pull off your Miondi's, just the smell.

[1685] Yes.

[1686] It'll be trapped in the filter itself.

[1687] It's got copper, it's got silver, and it has CBD.

[1688] maybe baking soda oh yeah that's great i'm helping i'm helping i'm helping everyone has embarrassing gas and everyone wishes they could be in that big important corporate meeting and and just let it rip with the full comfort and safety of knowing that the filter will never expose your position okay Okay, does the filter also filter out sound?

[1689] It'll muffle it, yeah.

[1690] I'm still in the R &D phase of this.

[1691] Oh, my God, all right.

[1692] It's a big idea.

[1693] All right.

[1694] Sean Connery.

[1695] You said you think he was 180 pounds.

[1696] I couldn't find that.

[1697] I couldn't find a lot of this info about how many, how much people weighed, obviously.

[1698] Okay.

[1699] But you thought he won Mr. Universe.

[1700] Sean Connery began bodybuilding at age 18 and from 1951, trained heavily with Ellington, a former gym instructor in the British Army.

[1701] While his official website claims he was third in the 1950 Mr. Universe contest, most sources placed him in the 1953 competition, either third in the junior class or failing to place in the tall man classification.

[1702] Oh, yeah.

[1703] All right, but he did compete in Mr. Universe.

[1704] Yeah.

[1705] What is that?

[1706] I've never even heard of it.

[1707] That's why Arnold Schwarzenegger is so famous.

[1708] I've never heard of it.

[1709] Because he won Mr. Universe, I believe the most times until Ronnie Coleman, it's your cheer state championship but it's global and it's for every bodybuilder in the world and they go and compete in different classes and they get on stage and they flex and they're judged on proportionality and making sure they don't have oversized chest but not big quads you know they're looking for all that they're looking for the cut they're looking for the size the proportionality a panel of judges i don't know where they get them i would be qualified yeah i would imagine other weightlifters, bodybuilders who understand.

[1710] And is this a yearly event?

[1711] Yeah.

[1712] I'm just wondering where it ranks, because I've never heard of it in my life.

[1713] Mr. Universe?

[1714] Yeah.

[1715] And you've heard of, like, Miss America.

[1716] Yeah.

[1717] I just was wondering if it's as, like, well known as that.

[1718] And I just don't know, or?

[1719] Well, I think every, Rob, you've heard of Mr. Universe, obviously.

[1720] Yeah, I have.

[1721] I think every boy knows there's mystery universe.

[1722] Okay.

[1723] I don't know about every boy.

[1724] Let me ask my brother.

[1725] I'm going to text my brother and ask him.

[1726] Oh, he'll know for sure.

[1727] Okay.

[1728] So you just ask Neil if he knew about it?

[1729] Yeah, I asked my brother if he knows.

[1730] We'll see what he says.

[1731] Neil Padman.

[1732] Check him out on Instagram.

[1733] He said, no. I knew it.

[1734] I knew it, knew it, knew it, knew it, knew it.

[1735] I don't think so.

[1736] What?

[1737] What?

[1738] You can't say you don't think so when I just asked him a question and he answered.

[1739] He said, no. How did you phrase it?

[1740] Do you know what Mr. Universe is?

[1741] No, L -O -L.

[1742] Mr. Universe competition.

[1743] Are you serious?

[1744] I think you're right.

[1745] I would have interpreted that as do you know who the current Mr. Universe is, which I don't know.

[1746] Have you heard of the Mr. Universe competition?

[1747] Now I regret giving you some business.

[1748] He's exactly, this is exactly my point.

[1749] I don't think everyone knows about this.

[1750] Okay, he said, I've heard of it.

[1751] Why?

[1752] He does not know what this is.

[1753] Well, hold on.

[1754] Okay, then just say, okay, what is it?

[1755] No, he now knows, now he doesn't, he's going to look it up.

[1756] This is now a problem.

[1757] I think the way you phrased it sound like, do you know who the current Mr. Universe is?

[1758] Do you know what Mr. Universe is?

[1759] Right.

[1760] No, L -O -L.

[1761] Yes, it's exactly what you'd say.

[1762] I don't want to fight with you, but both interpretations are realistic.

[1763] Absolutely not.

[1764] If I then qualified and said Mr. Universe competition, he wouldn't then say, I've heard of it, why.

[1765] He'd say, oh, yeah, the bodybuilding thing, what are you asking?

[1766] Okay.

[1767] He does not know what it is.

[1768] Okay.

[1769] And I don't know if that's an age thing.

[1770] He's much younger than you and Rob.

[1771] Oh, God.

[1772] Sorry, Rob.

[1773] He's 24?

[1774] Yeah.

[1775] Yeah.

[1776] I know more about him than you, and he knows about Mr. Universe.

[1777] He said I do.

[1778] He said kind of.

[1779] No, he didn't.

[1780] I think he knows it's bodybuilding.

[1781] Why can't you just listen to a fact and hear it?

[1782] How do you explain his second answer?

[1783] His second answer is he feels like an idiot.

[1784] it because then I said Mr. Universe competition and he said I've heard of it why he would not say I've heard of it why if he knew what it was well he said I heard of it if he what do you know don't get mad at me I'm trying to really work this out if you've just randomly or maybe he's heard like I've like heard of it like Mr. Universe that's a thing but I have no idea what it is until now you taught you taught me you didn't know it was about bodybuilding no i didn't okay who had to get my brother involved which i don't like to do store your saber okay do they work around the rocks workout schedule i don't know about that i do know i've worked with um several people that have shot with him okay and i know the guy who directed one of his movies so that is the fact okay see how i say okay i believe you yeah yeah that's just something to learn.

[1785] So, the Rock's daily routine, though, I looked into.

[1786] Okay.

[1787] I'm going to read a little bit of it.

[1788] Oh, great.

[1789] Before getting into the intense workout that Johnson commits to six days a week, it's so weird to hear it.

[1790] Johnson?

[1791] Yeah.

[1792] Yeah.

[1793] You need to follow his daily routine.

[1794] In the morning, around 4 a .m., he rolls out of bed, ties up his running shoes.

[1795] He always ties them.

[1796] 4 a .m. I think this is apocryphal.

[1797] Go ahead.

[1798] Oh, my God.

[1799] Here we go again.

[1800] Is there anything we can agree?

[1801] Do you agree that almost nobody wakes up at 4 a .m.?

[1802] Most people don't.

[1803] Yeah.

[1804] Most people don't is what I'll say.

[1805] Great.

[1806] That doesn't mean he doesn't.

[1807] And would you also agree that we succumb quickly to hero worship and apocryphal stories about people who are exceptional?

[1808] Sure.

[1809] Okay.

[1810] Would you agree that he probably really commits to working out every day or six days a week?

[1811] I know he does.

[1812] I know he does.

[1813] And that it's a crucial and important part of his life?

[1814] 100%.

[1815] Okay.

[1816] I know he works out at least a couple hours a day, six days a week.

[1817] He has to look like that.

[1818] You can't look like that and not sometimes probably have to wake up at 4 a .m. Yeah.

[1819] Okay.

[1820] Okay.

[1821] In the morning around 4 a .m., he rolls out of bed, ties up his running shoes, and heads outside for an early run.

[1822] Johnson doesn't always run around the neighborhood, though.

[1823] When he's filming abroad, he will be on the elliptical or treadmill at the hotel.

[1824] Once he's completed about 30 to 50 minutes of heart -pounding cardio session, he eats breakfast.

[1825] After breakfast, Johnson gets around to, quote, clanging and banging in the gym.

[1826] Ooh.

[1827] Every day he's in the gym, he commits a full sequence to a specific area of the body.

[1828] While the routine is always adapting to what he needs for a specific roller goal, Johnson usually sticks to four sets and 12 reps with the 60 to 90 -second rest period, unless it's a leg day.

[1829] There was a lot more.

[1830] That's the gist.

[1831] Okay.

[1832] But you could look it up.

[1833] It breaks down what to do if anyone wants to do it.

[1834] Oh, look like the rock.

[1835] Exactly.

[1836] That's great.

[1837] Yeah.

[1838] Rob said that Chris Hemsworth was like 6 '7 or something.

[1839] But he's 6 '3.

[1840] Yeah.

[1841] So he's not that tall.

[1842] I mean, that is very tall.

[1843] It is.

[1844] It's so tall.

[1845] Okay.

[1846] So biggest movie in what you said, biggest movie in the world is Avengers.

[1847] And then following nine, with the exception of Titanic, includes a jacked dude.

[1848] Okay.

[1849] So I'm going to read them.

[1850] Okay, great.

[1851] Okay, Avengers Endgame, number one.

[1852] Jack dudes across the board.

[1853] Yeah.

[1854] Two Avatar.

[1855] The Navitee were jacked.

[1856] She had like an insane body.

[1857] She did.

[1858] Big butt.

[1859] She did.

[1860] And then that dude, Sam Worthington.

[1861] Let me look up.

[1862] He was buff in that movie.

[1863] Okay, let's, I'm looking up just for my own, just because I don't.

[1864] Edification.

[1865] Yeah, when they made him Navity or whatever, he was ripped.

[1866] But did they do that CG?

[1867] Yeah, the whole novelty thing.

[1868] was all C2.

[1869] Right.

[1870] So their bodies weren't.

[1871] Well, no, he also was quite fit.

[1872] Oh, really?

[1873] Yes.

[1874] The actor was.

[1875] Okay, let's see.

[1876] And then the people in the perfect dream world had to have the bodies we're talking about.

[1877] No, this is him.

[1878] That is not ripped.

[1879] He looks great.

[1880] He just doesn't look.

[1881] Jacked.

[1882] Jacked.

[1883] Look at the picture of him.

[1884] I sent you.

[1885] He looks totally.

[1886] So yeah, he's not like a beefcake.

[1887] Yeah.

[1888] Okay.

[1889] But I would argue my point is the same, that so much of the movie was them in that other world and the way they designed the people in the Navita world were ripped.

[1890] Sure.

[1891] And my only point was women think you have to look a certain way to do X, Y, and Z. And my argument was, so do guys.

[1892] Guys have to look a certain way to be in a movie.

[1893] And my proof is when they designed the guys, they designed them.

[1894] That's the type that everyone wants.

[1895] That's why they made it look that way.

[1896] Okay, I see what you're saying But the human Doesn't look super jacked No And the woman also looks super jacked In the world of this It's not like The women look Like slender and wafy And then the man is jacked That world everyone's jacked I'm only saying To be in the biggest movies in the world You have to look jacked So I think they had to create it With computers in Avatar But I think that the ideal is still there, this, like, jacked man. Okay.

[1897] Three, Titanic, which you addressed.

[1898] Already?

[1899] Four, Star Wars, the Force Awakens, 2015.

[1900] That's not Jack Central, yeah.

[1901] Five Avengers Infinity War.

[1902] Jack Central.

[1903] Six, Jurassic World, Jack Central.

[1904] Jack Central.

[1905] You really got your...

[1906] I loved that movie so much.

[1907] It made no sense why I loved it so much.

[1908] Well, you loved Chris.

[1909] Chris Pratt.

[1910] He was looking beefcakey.

[1911] He was looking very beefcakey.

[1912] But that's not why I love Chris Pratt.

[1913] I love Chris Pratt because he's so funny.

[1914] Yeah, but he also loved his beefcake.

[1915] Well, I just like that he was there.

[1916] Yeah.

[1917] Okay, seven Marvels the Avengers.

[1918] Jack Central.

[1919] Yeah, but mainly because these are all the same movie over and over again.

[1920] Well, Dressa Park was new.

[1921] No, no, I mean, these Avengers, we've already mentioned three Avengers.

[1922] movies.

[1923] Okay, eight Furious seven.

[1924] Oh, fucking the whole thing's built on the rock and Vin Diesel.

[1925] Yeah.

[1926] Yeah.

[1927] Nine Avengers, age of Ultron.

[1928] Ten Black Panther.

[1929] Jack fucking wall -to -wall jacked.

[1930] Right.

[1931] So Avatar, yes, and no. Titanic and Star Wars.

[1932] Yeah, so 70 % of the top 10 is Jack Central.

[1933] Yeah, you're right.

[1934] You said your nose creates nitric oxide.

[1935] So the vasodilator gas nitric oxide is produced in the perinazal sinuses and is excreted continuously into the nasal airways of humans.

[1936] This NO will normally reach the lungs with inspiration, especially during nasal breathing.

[1937] Furthermore, in intubated patients who are deprived of self -inhalation of endogenous nitric oxide.

[1938] Oh, since we interviewed Kumal, did you see the big red tub that arrived?

[1939] No, what?

[1940] I already have a big red tub of N -O -X.

[1941] No, yes.

[1942] Yes.

[1943] Because I don't want to be smirch, Kumail.

[1944] But no. Hold on.

[1945] I could be vainier.

[1946] No, I don't like that.

[1947] Okay.

[1948] It looks super unhealthy to have veins like that.

[1949] Oh, I think it looks so healthy.

[1950] This is what I'm saying about obsession that's bad.

[1951] You're, like, adding stuff to your body that shouldn't be in there so that you can look a certain way.

[1952] Well, maybe just more of the stuff we already like.

[1953] No. Too much of a good thing is bad.

[1954] Okay.

[1955] Okay.

[1956] So Kumal said that this disease, kids who are, like, super jacked.

[1957] Yeah.

[1958] And he said there's no medical downside.

[1959] So that's called myostatin -related muscle.

[1960] Hypertrophy.

[1961] That's got to be the opposite of atrophy.

[1962] Yeah.

[1963] Myostatin -related muscle hypertrophy.

[1964] Ah.

[1965] It's very hard to say.

[1966] It's a rare genetic condition characterized by reduced body fat and increased skeletal muscular size.

[1967] Affected individuals have up to twice the usual amount of muscle mass in their bodies.

[1968] Oh, what the dream.

[1969] No, because I looked up some pictures and it looks sad to see this like small kid that's like...

[1970] Jacked?

[1971] Yeah, I'll show you a picture.

[1972] Okay.

[1973] This protein normally restrains muscle growth, ensuring that muscles do not grow too large.

[1974] Oh, and most people.

[1975] Myostatin -related muscle hypertrophy is not known to cause medical problems and affected individuals are intellectually normal.

[1976] The prevalence of this condition is unknown.

[1977] The only thing I could see as being a potential risk of that is that your heart is a muscle, and it's not good when your heart gets big.

[1978] Exactly.

[1979] I thought I was going to find something like that, but...

[1980] Not the case.

[1981] So far.

[1982] Just the, like, the muscles.

[1983] Look at the picture, I said.

[1984] Okay, let me see.

[1985] I bet this is going to be my dream.

[1986] No. Oh, my God.

[1987] This child, this child appears to be five years old, and he has fully formed biceps, huge delts, an eight -pack impactor muscles, and he's five, and he's got big traps.

[1988] I mean, his face looks like a little, little boy, because he is.

[1989] Yeah, I bet the kid.

[1990] Kids in his school fucking love it.

[1991] The boys.

[1992] No, they make fun of them.

[1993] Yes, they do.

[1994] Kids are mean.

[1995] They're not nice.

[1996] Boys want to look like a G .I. Joe figure.

[1997] And this little boy looks like one.

[1998] And so even if they want to be it, they're going to tear him down.

[1999] We got to call them.

[2000] Anyways, we keep circling back and reinforcing the broader point, which is that boys feel differently about this thing, girls.

[2001] Like, you're opposed to the vascularity.

[2002] Doesn't surprise me because we did already admit it's all driven by boys.

[2003] Yeah.

[2004] What is it about the vascularity that you like?

[2005] Well, because people generally don't have pronounced vascularity unless they're ripped.

[2006] Or in the hospital.

[2007] It's a nice side effect of being lean and lots of muscle mass as it pushes your veins to the surface.

[2008] So it's a look you can't get unless you're fit in general.

[2009] It spells to me and to I think probably a lot of women and maybe hopefully some men, it looks like that person should be in the hospital right now.

[2010] It looks like their veins are about to explode and blood's going to explode out.

[2011] Spirred everywhere?

[2012] Yeah.

[2013] Yeah, I love that look.

[2014] Unhealthy is not attractive.

[2015] Which Rob said.

[2016] Rob said that too on a woman.

[2017] He said healthy is what looks attractive.

[2018] So too small or just healthy.

[2019] Is it funny?

[2020] We can't say too big.

[2021] I know.

[2022] I kind of want to be able to say that here, though.

[2023] It is just interesting.

[2024] You can say too thin.

[2025] We're like, we're fine with that.

[2026] I know.

[2027] But we can't say too big.

[2028] I feel like if we can say too small, we can say too big.

[2029] We should be able to and we can.

[2030] There's a big difference between saying too big and too small and then like fat shaming somebody.

[2031] I know.

[2032] I know.

[2033] But people do have a hard time differentiating that because body shaming is such a big issue.

[2034] Because also because too big for so long has been in the media and in images being sold to us.

[2035] Too big is like size six.

[2036] That's preposterous.

[2037] Which is so dumb.

[2038] Yes.

[2039] But someone that fits the definition of obese, which was 30 BMI or higher, there are very well -known health concerns there.

[2040] Exactly.

[2041] So I also don't think, I don't understand how we can have a society where we don't say a BMI over 30 isn't unhealthy when it is just factually it is.

[2042] Unhealthy.

[2043] I know.

[2044] I agree with that.

[2045] Yeah.

[2046] I agree with that.

[2047] I think the bad stuff is like, making a character assessment on somebody because their BMI is over 30.

[2048] Right.

[2049] Saying that says something about who they are or excluding them or thinking anything other than the simple fact that the BMI is higher than 30.

[2050] Yeah.

[2051] And that once you have a BMI higher than 30, you're going to have increased risk of a bunch of different things.

[2052] Totally.

[2053] Yeah.

[2054] All right.

[2055] That's all.

[2056] That was all.

[2057] Yeah.

[2058] All right.

[2059] I love you.

[2060] I love you.

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