Conor McGregor & Jake Gyllenhaal

[0] Welcome, welcome, welcome to armchair expert.

[1] I'm Dak Shepard.

[2] I'm joined by Monica Padman.

[3] Hi.

[4] We have a rare occurrence.

[5] Occasionally we'll interview two people at the same time.

[6] It's pretty rare, but it happens.

[7] And it also marks back -to -back episodes where we were out on the ground somewhere else interviewing people.

[8] On the road.

[9] Out of our safety zone.

[10] Out of the attic.

[11] In this case, we were at a hotel in Austin, Texas.

[12] That's right.

[13] And it'll come up in the fact check.

[14] at all we did while we were there.

[15] Yeah.

[16] But this is Jake Gyllenhaal and Connor McGregor.

[17] Jake is an Academy Award nominated actor.

[18] And Connor McGregor is a multi -weight UFC champion entrepreneur.

[19] He's the only person to hold belts in two different weight classes.

[20] Fascinating human being.

[21] And he's never done a podcast.

[22] Yes, this was his first podcast, which was super fun.

[23] Yes.

[24] I'm tempted to say as a caveat that my hope and aim for this episode was to be able to connect with Connor and get him to trust me. and explore some maybe more emotional things that are not readily discussed with him.

[25] So I guess I got a little self -conscious, like, I think as you're hearing it, you'll hear a broier side of me. Oh, interesting.

[26] And I don't know why I want to just flag that going in, but I hope people will give me a little benefit of the doubt and know that I'm trying to get somewhere.

[27] Yeah.

[28] Which I feel like we got.

[29] That's fair to say.

[30] Yeah.

[31] And, of course, the reason they're together is they are in a reimagining or remake of one of my, all -time favorite movies.

[32] For people who heard the Jake Gyllenhaal episode last year, he just kind of as a throwaway mentioned, he was with Connor McGregor.

[33] And I was like, what the fuck are you doing with Connor McGregor?

[34] He's like, oh, my, we're you making Roadhouse?

[35] And I went berserk if people remember.

[36] Roadhouse is my movie.

[37] I mean, top five.

[38] What a film.

[39] And this Roadhouse delivers holy fistfights and car chases and boat chases.

[40] I mean, it's action -packed.

[41] Full throttle.

[42] So Roadhouse is streaming this Thursday.

[43] March 21st on Prime Video.

[44] So you can check it up the day it comes out.

[45] You don't have to go anywhere.

[46] That's fun.

[47] So fucking pop some popcorn, put on a tight shirt, get some dumbbells.

[48] Get a drink going.

[49] Get several drinks going and enjoy Roadhouse.

[50] And then lastly, just want to let everyone know the Armchair Anonymous prompts for next month are, tell us about a crazy cosplay experience.

[51] Tell us about your worst day ever.

[52] Tell us your best cautionary tale.

[53] Or tell us a crazy experience you had as a delivery.

[54] driver in any many ways you could be a delivery driver.

[55] Please enjoy Jake Gyllenhaal, Jake Yielandall, and Connor McGregor.

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[59] You guys, it's so awesome that you're here.

[60] Hello.

[61] He goes to Boston.

[62] Oh, you?

[63] Good to meet you, brother.

[64] I'm so happy to get to talk to you.

[65] Hi, I'm Monica.

[66] Very nice.

[67] You look so nice.

[68] I love the purple.

[69] This is Jake.

[70] I was shit with my left.

[71] We had Jake on 11 months ago, and it was a beautiful interview.

[72] It was so fun.

[73] Yeah.

[74] I listened to it on the flight here.

[75] You did?

[76] Yeah, to reacquaint myself.

[77] It was.

[78] The chairs aren't as nice, but you're great.

[79] And by the way, the row, I've been like, you know, I've trolled you on the row.

[80] I love it.

[81] I felt very flattered because after you visited us, you sent us both gifts, which was very sweet of you.

[82] You got to send us something really nice.

[83] Yeah, Jake already sent us something nice.

[84] Jake sent us a present after we interviewed him last time.

[85] I do.

[86] Boy, I used to like it.

[87] You don't drink on a moniker.

[88] No, but you should have seen me do it when I did it.

[89] It was something to behold.

[90] Yeah, coming out with zero -zero -fourth stout.

[91] The zero -zero thing is growing legs, isn't it?

[92] I got to be careful with the gogg.

[93] You've got to be careful with it.

[94] I'm an athlete, right?

[95] And I'm also an athlete that makes alcohol.

[96] Yes, yes.

[97] They're kind of ying and yang, you don't put one with the other.

[98] So I've got to be careful with it.

[99] I have been partying, like a rock star, probably like yourself back in the day, something to behold also.

[100] Sure, sure, a real sight.

[101] But hey, it's Paddy's mom.

[102] I don't give a fuck also.

[103] But I know my limits as well and my boundaries, and I'm coming to the finish of this.

[104] I've got this roadhouse promotional tour I've got St. Patrick's Day but I've got a fight on the horizon I just want to fucking date if they give me a date and then I say right one I know I can't mess I'm in the best shape ever and then I'll have a party and I go heavy on it and then you know I kind of build it back up but if I have a date I won't do that yeah you must reverse engineer your life from these hard dates but I got to tell you we're competitors then because I have a non -alcoholic beer I do oh wow daddy so you make a beer Ted Seeger's What a memory Jake Wow I'm going to tell you one of our taglines, and I feel like you're going to be jealous.

[105] What's it called, first of all, sorry?

[106] Ted Seegers.

[107] Ted Seagers.

[108] Good, strong name, right?

[109] What is it?

[110] A lager?

[111] Yes, yes.

[112] I have two lagers as well.

[113] I haven't released them.

[114] So I own a brewery in Ireland.

[115] I know.

[116] I know all about you.

[117] I have a house lager that I made forged lager.

[118] It's a light, crispy beer, and it's very successful on premise.

[119] I haven't bottled it or candied yet.

[120] There's so many lagers out there.

[121] You know, I'm looking at this whole thing, like I'm looking at a map.

[122] I've got the stout doing well.

[123] But I've actually got two lagers with the same recipe.

[124] I added more hops into the crispy one and made a darker beer.

[125] So it's like a beer of Moretti or a Hinegan.

[126] I love it.

[127] I didn't think you and I would have anything that deeply in common, but we're like...

[128] We got back on the guy, the man, it's Patty's Day.

[129] Oh, my God, I don't know.

[130] I have to draw the line there.

[131] You went heavy, just what, all day, every day?

[132] Yeah, and I love cocaine so much.

[133] It's just, it smells so good.

[134] It's really smells nice.

[135] We've got to be careful.

[136] We got a full -blown addict on our hands over here.

[137] But I just want to hit you with two.

[138] You look fresh, man. You're not fresh.

[139] You look fresh.

[140] You look like there's a good.

[141] Come back on the cards, man. I'm telling you.

[142] Oh, my God.

[143] I believe.

[144] Let's hang when I'm 70.

[145] But I just have two slogans I want to hit you with because I feel like they're going to really, really register.

[146] One is Ted Seeger's is the only logger I trust when I'm alone with my sister -in -law.

[147] Okay.

[148] The next one is drive fast, fuck slow, Ted Seagers.

[149] Do you guys write that on the thing?

[150] Yeah, the poster's in the bar right now.

[151] Let me go back to the sister -in -law.

[152] So, sister -in -law, not related.

[153] Your brother's wife, is it?

[154] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[155] So there's two ways to go.

[156] Either you don't want to be.

[157] You don't want to be drunk around her because it can go either way.

[158] Maybe you'll hook up with her.

[159] Maybe you'll kill her.

[160] Don't blame soap for what sugar doing, you know?

[161] Don't blame alcohol for what cocaine done if you get me, you know?

[162] I don't know.

[163] People are, you know, it's 20 -24.

[164] You wouldn't know what to be going on.

[165] Who's our fault?

[166] I don't know anyway, man. I'd love a beer now, actually.

[167] Maybe some cocaine.

[168] Rob, get the mirrors up.

[169] Okay, how long have you guys been doing this?

[170] Jake's face.

[171] Matches my face.

[172] Wait, I do want to call out something that's really.

[173] obvious about the two of you, and it's really wonderful.

[174] It's an incredible dynamic, because I've already interviewed Jake, and I've watched you in a lot of interviews.

[175] Jake, you're very careful.

[176] You're kind of meticulous about what you say.

[177] You want to make sure that you're representing yourself correctly.

[178] Hmm.

[179] It's a good way to...

[180] Do you agree or not?

[181] Yeah, deep tinker.

[182] I don't want to go forward unless you think that's true.

[183] I mean, thoughtful, I try at least feigning articulation.

[184] He's running at like a hundred miles an hour.

[185] I'm in like a sort of second gear generally, and then you can get me into, you know...

[186] When we're together, I'm announcing, hey, everyone, and Notorious Conan McGregor, check out our new movie, Brodhouse on Prime.

[187] And then Jake's like, I want something in front of my name.

[188] What was the name?

[189] He came up with, anxious Jake, chilling home.

[190] Oh, I'm anxious Jake, Jill and Hall.

[191] Jittery Jake, Jill and Hall.

[192] Jittery Jake.

[193] Oh.

[194] The thing about it is that, like, we didn't meet actually in person until he came on set.

[195] Oh, no. Yeah, because he was there maybe a week before.

[196] I was working a lot.

[197] We had choreography, but they were rehearsing somewhere else.

[198] We were shooting.

[199] And then when he came on set, it was like a crowd followed him.

[200] People were crows.

[201] draining their necks when he walked on set.

[202] He's such an incredible energy when he walks in that to me, all I want to do is like, watch him.

[203] You know what I mean?

[204] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[205] And so inevitably when we're together, I'm just sort of like, we're doing interviews and people ask me a question and he answers.

[206] I'm like, that sounds good to me. That's fine.

[207] You just defer.

[208] It's a great pairing because you guys are on opposite sides of the spectrum in that regard.

[209] Definitely.

[210] And then, of course, it then feeds into the movie, which is beautiful.

[211] It's like, you're very, very, no bravado, you have a regret about your past, you're kind of low -key, you don't even want to be doing the thing.

[212] And then you arrive, there's a tornado here, he's loud as fuck.

[213] It's the most wonderful asymmetry.

[214] Potential mega -business between myself and Jake Chin and all.

[215] We can do a lot of stuff, 100%.

[216] That first scene where he headbutts me, that was the first time we ever were on screen together.

[217] I remember that moment going like, what the fuck am I doing in a scene where Connor McGregor is about to headbut me?

[218] And then I had to remind myself that I'd been doing this for a while.

[219] That was the space I could hold with any headbutt me. You might not have felt it from me, right?

[220] Maybe I'm a better actor than I probably give myself credit.

[221] Yes.

[222] But I felt that for sure.

[223] You were a true veteran, as good as it gets, as big as it gets, 75 films.

[224] I felt that as well.

[225] I didn't want to let you down.

[226] I didn't want to let anyone down and think I was not doing my best, you know?

[227] So I put in the time I put in him for you.

[228] Yeah, but you said early on, he said, I'm a white belt in this.

[229] That was like the first conversation we had.

[230] That's a real martial arts way of looking at things, especially the mixed martial arts.

[231] You know, you look at a guy who's a specialist in boxing or kickboxing or some discipline.

[232] They have too much of an ego then to go and become a white belt again.

[233] You have got to become a white belt again.

[234] You've got to start from the ground up.

[235] I used the lessons I had learned in my martial arts game studying and learning different crafts into the movie business.

[236] I'm a white belt coming into this and I'm absolutely blessed and thankful and grateful and a lucky Irish SOB that I'm at the landing right next to this man and with director Doug Limeon with producer Joel and the team that was behind it I just approached it with a novice mindset.

[237] I'm going to argue you aren't a white belt.

[238] Yes, I'm going to argue that too, actually.

[239] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[240] Well, team up on him.

[241] He'll still win me, here we go.

[242] I would not gang up on him.

[243] You just probably want to...

[244] You want me, lady.

[245] Yeah, actually.

[246] You want me on your team.

[247] You want to stand by the exit, I think, at this point.

[248] You know, when I look at your career as a fighter, the most obvious comp is Muhammad Ali.

[249] As far as just showman, showman, showman.

[250] I'm almost even curious, would you rank yourself higher as a promoter than a fighter?

[251] And then is that a dicey question?

[252] I think you're one of the best promoters to ever live.

[253] I agree with that.

[254] And you're one of the best fighters to ever live.

[255] but I think you're literally tied with Ali as far as creating excitement and vitriol and passion.

[256] You're a fucking showman and I think above all things.

[257] I'm a damn good fight.

[258] I'm a damn good fight.

[259] I don't really.

[260] I'm great, to be honest with you.

[261] And, you know, my reckless nature.

[262] It's like the best attitude.

[263] My reckless nature at times.

[264] I'd never been beaten.

[265] I've beat myself going in.

[266] I'll take that as a good compliment.

[267] Ali's the man. Ali began that showmanship element to the fight game.

[268] Oh, you get it.

[269] But for me, there's a lot more left in my game and I look forward to getting back in the show night.

[270] I'm not trying to take anything away from you as a fighter.

[271] But I'm saying you actually will go down in history is probably tied as the best showman to do it.

[272] And I also think the transition for guys, The Rock, in WWE, into acting.

[273] They're already acting.

[274] They have a character.

[275] They have a persona.

[276] They have the confidence of getting up in front of a crowd and talking.

[277] You're at these press conferences.

[278] You've been practicing show business for a minute.

[279] Yeah, but not even practicing, my man. There's no act on.

[280] I am who I am in the given.

[281] If Jake is a different person to me, I'm gonna be a different person to Jake.

[282] Yeah, yeah.

[283] You get me?

[284] And so some fighters, that's the way it is.

[285] Look at the Parier fights.

[286] I knocked them out in the fourth one and then he comes back and we're friendly.

[287] And then a few things get said after he gets the win back.

[288] And then it just changes again.

[289] It's not acting, it's just what it is.

[290] Well, you have facets to you.

[291] Like it's all, for sure.

[292] Yeah, you're a dad.

[293] And the fight game has put that to the forefront in front of the world.

[294] For those made with our press conferences, 25 ,000 people are there for the press conferences.

[295] The very fourth one, the way the UFC press conferences are laid out.

[296] You sit on a table.

[297] and then the media asked you, question, hello, Connor, how was training?

[298] In boxing, it's not the case.

[299] You walk in and you've got to say something.

[300] So I'm sitting up on the stage.

[301] I got to go up and say a big speech and I fucking have nothing in my head and I want to be saying, and I just roll with it.

[302] I want to go back to the first big press tour they put you on, I think was for Aldo.

[303] Yeah, maybe where you went to eight cities.

[304] And then he pulled out on me, man. Then I had to do it again.

[305] That first press tour, again, Jake and I can relate to this.

[306] We've been doing press tours for movies for 25 years.

[307] That would have helped me for sure.

[308] Well, that's what I'm curious.

[309] I wasn't dialed in yet.

[310] So on that first press tour where UFC's like, you're the guy, we're going to commit some actual capital to this.

[311] We're going to send you around the country and raise some fervor for this live event, which set records.

[312] Yeah, it was the first time I had ever done that.

[313] What was your learning curve on that?

[314] Like, I'm curious, you couldn't have started where I see you now where you can go toe to toe with Mayweather and talk shit.

[315] Well, you know, I went against the pound for pound goat at that time, Jose Aldo, undefeated in 10 years and an absolute menace in the octagon.

[316] People thought he was going to run through me. I thought otherwise, I had confidence.

[317] At that time, he's a 28 -year -old man. I made him feel about 48.

[318] He's saying, he's past his prime, all this thing.

[319] It was all just trying to get into his head.

[320] I didn't do it like even thinking I was going to do it.

[321] I believed it also.

[322] You are over the hill.

[323] You're at having too many wars.

[324] I was live at one of his fights against Chadmendis, so I ended up fighting.

[325] It was an absolute war.

[326] It's a crazy game to fight game.

[327] That promo and that world tour really set a precedent for the industry.

[328] We were still kind of fringe.

[329] Now I'm hearing that we're top four in the sports, so you've got their American football, baseball, and the UFC now is top four.

[330] Which means it either passed basketball or NHL, or hockey.

[331] I'm not sure.

[332] Now, this was someone from Endeavour saying that, but I believe it, for me it is.

[333] For me, it's top one.

[334] I love that.

[335] Even in early interviews, I was listening to one with you, and the guy's like, you know, they just said, you're the fifth most recognizable sports star.

[336] Oh, it was Tony Robbins.

[337] And you go, that's a shit test.

[338] I think they got the data wrong.

[339] I'm number one.

[340] That's it, man. You got to have it.

[341] Were you always that conference as a kid?

[342] I don't know.

[343] You just got to fake it till you make it.

[344] I always felt that I was the man. That's the way I felt.

[345] That's the way I carried myself.

[346] And it worked.

[347] And as you're saying, Jake, about the foreword of me rocking around and people like a fucking circus.

[348] Sometimes life is like a circus, like an animal in the cage.

[349] Although you're out and you're free, sometimes it's like you're in the cage.

[350] Yeah, but you do have two older sisters.

[351] Wait, what does that mean?

[352] Well, I'll tell you.

[353] He's got an older sister, too.

[354] Okay, so probably the only nice part about you was implanted by those older sisters.

[355] Yeah, so they're relevant.

[356] My mother.

[357] Okay.

[358] The things we often are tackling in here, because I suffer from it is like, I'm from a blue collar, shit whole place in Detroit.

[359] I'm a fucking drunk.

[360] I want to know about the shit.

[361] stuff people's been through that's now made them who they are today.

[362] I see that in you that you're interested in that.

[363] So for me, the most pivotal moment I'm curious about is you walk into a boxing school at 12.

[364] That's the first time you walk in.

[365] And I want to know why we walk in there.

[366] I want to know that too.

[367] Like most young boys, why they get into combat sport, is to defend themselves.

[368] I was nervous in scenarios.

[369] I was attacked once at twice.

[370] I'm from a rough area.

[371] I'm from a rough town, Dublin 12.

[372] You get into fights.

[373] Were you small for your age?

[374] I was small enough.

[375] My hair was really.

[376] blonde, I stood out like a sort of home, I never got away with none.

[377] And your sisters, no older brothers.

[378] No older brothers.

[379] And my older sisters have a fight themselves.

[380] Yeah, don't.

[381] It wasn't like I was there.

[382] Major thing, but I just wanted to be able to defend myself.

[383] I knew that was critical as a young boy grown up.

[384] It led me to begin to study the arts.

[385] Do you remember the moment though?

[386] Like, is there a moment where you went, oh, this feels right?

[387] Why I said, I'm going to the gym, fuck this?

[388] Everyone in everything they do, there's like the hard work.

[389] There's the moment where everyone goes, like, well, I could do that.

[390] And they're like, well, are you really going to pull it in that work, right?

[391] Yeah.

[392] job.

[393] And there's that moment where you know it doesn't matter, you just got to go back.

[394] One of the moments, I think I've spoke this before.

[395] I was with this chick, right?

[396] I was young.

[397] She was about 16.

[398] I was with or not.

[399] She was older.

[400] I was only about 12.

[401] They killed.

[402] Respect.

[403] Yeah.

[404] You know yourself.

[405] And we're walking down the street.

[406] And she had an older boyfriend who was older than me as well.

[407] These motherfuckers drive by me in a car packed out about five or six of them.

[408] And your man jumps out and she's with the guy, but she's with me. You know that way?

[409] So I'm just standing on the road and I just threw a few shots and I just covered up and took the shots and I got left for the yoke.

[410] We kept going and I think it happened again.

[411] The second time I grabbed the holes of them and ended up in top position to just roll them over and then I got out there but same thing as out manned, outnumbered and out aged everything.

[412] And then I just said, no, I'm not letting that happen.

[413] Someone walks up in me, they're not going to walk up on me twice and that's out straight into the gym and I learned out to fight.

[414] Okay, so right now this is the most exciting thing.

[415] So the reason I have to start getting involved with fighting is I'm in sixth grade and the most popular girl in the eighth grade asks me out.

[416] similar similar and I'm like oh my god what a miracle yeah and then guess what every eighth grade boy fucking hated my guts and so almost the exact same situation where it's like I let someone basically beat me up because I was afraid in the pain I try to explain this monica's like why are you being bar fights the physical pain for me doesn't even compare to the regret pain of not fighting back trying to fall asleep at night going fuck you didn't even fucking fight back that mental agony where you go there isn't a broken nose that hurts as much as that was that Any of that happening?

[417] Yeah, for sure.

[418] I just wanted to get out of there.

[419] I said it was a male.

[420] Yeah, you're scared.

[421] Exactly.

[422] There's a moment in life a dude might decide that the back down mental agony and regret.

[423] You'll never experience that again.

[424] Who wants to be the motherfucker that backs down?

[425] Well, chick is going to be wanting to be with the guy that backs down.

[426] What's so great about him is how he's been in defeat.

[427] I would say one of the things that makes him such an interesting personality and showman.

[428] And what I really admire is watching him in defeat.

[429] No, that's the most mind -blowing part of it all.

[430] Sorry, I don't mean to jump in head.

[431] We're definitely, in my analogy is George Foreman, the story of Ali Foreman.

[432] And up to that point, George Foreman is undefeated.

[433] He's such a heavy hitter.

[434] He's the baddest motherfucker on Black Earth.

[435] Ali beats him.

[436] He goes into a depression for like five years.

[437] It ruins his own identity.

[438] You're in a game where you're going to get losses.

[439] It's not like boxing in that.

[440] You're going to pick up some losses.

[441] But you've had some streaks that ended.

[442] And in those streaks, I imagine you felt that same indomitability.

[443] What did it do to you?

[444] emotionally and mentally when you would suffer one of those defeats it's never nice you start just playing back everything but it happens the sunrise is the next day it kills some people it kills some people the sun rises the next day I wouldn't let the fear of failure I'd urge you everyone don't let the fear of failure stop you from going out and experiencing it and doing things that frighten you may lose the sun rises the next day we go back and we go again this is what martial arts is guess what every single martial arts every single UFC fighter you see right now has gone through a million losses inside the gym You get beating the gym every fucking day.

[445] It is what it is.

[446] It can happen.

[447] It's about adjusting and coming back.

[448] But I appreciate you saying that, Jake.

[449] I only have a few fucking losses.

[450] They're overplayed.

[451] People want to downplay my success.

[452] I'm coming up on 20 knockouts in professional mixed martial arts history.

[453] A feat that very, very few have, along with all the world titles won.

[454] 20 professional KOs is a huge feat.

[455] So I focus on the good.

[456] And if I think about everyone I fought in the Octagon more than once I've smoked, I upended an 80 as after he beat me. I KO'd Parade in 60 seconds.

[457] And I was walking him like a fucking dog.

[458] in a lead in the second foot.

[459] Yes, but cut the leg, caught lucky.

[460] And then the toward one, he was getting broke up as well.

[461] This is the moment that happens when someone's got an edge on him and then he's like, nope.

[462] I'm sitting here like that, yeah, keep thinking.

[463] But, Connor, this is why.

[464] So I was just on me now to control this animal in me as well.

[465] Because I'll tell you what, if I didn't commit everything to it and I was partying away while I was training, which I've done it, I've done it all.

[466] I've partied on fucking fight week.

[467] And then I've lived like a monk.

[468] I've done them both.

[469] And I've had varying runs on boat.

[470] So it's not even about that.

[471] But I think from my own good, If I didn't dial in and it didn't go my way, which can anything can happen?

[472] I'm very, very confident.

[473] I like the opponent lines up that I have.

[474] I like the level I'm at now skill -wise and what my recent work is.

[475] But if I didn't give it my all and it went my way, I don't think I'm able to live with myself.

[476] I'd really be disappointed in that.

[477] Whereas if I gave it everything and I talk out, I'd say, now enjoy the entertainment.

[478] People, you're welcome.

[479] Because at the end of the day, we're giving something for the people.

[480] Life is this big arching story.

[481] And your fighting's a part of it.

[482] But what is amazing, and Ali had this.

[483] Ali lost.

[484] And then he'd come back and he'd lost.

[485] Yeah, in the overall it doesn't, man. No, do you think anyone's looking back and not saying Ali's the greatest?

[486] He was.

[487] In what manner, like, why do you think that?

[488] Do I think he's the greatest boxer?

[489] Yeah, because he beat every kind of guy.

[490] Because I was asked, what's my favorite movies of Jake?

[491] He was asked, what's his favorite fight of mine?

[492] And he said something that I was surprised by, but it's actually accurate.

[493] It's bigger than fighting.

[494] It's the whole thing is what he was saying.

[495] Like, you step back, you're looking at the micro, like you're talking about this fight and that fight.

[496] And I'm saying as the macro lens, when you pan out, I think you will, if you're not already, you probably already have the gratitude.

[497] But when you look back on the deathbed, you're like, oh, all those little chapters and I made the story super interesting, and I doubted myself, and I refound my courage, and I went right back at the same guy.

[498] That's a much more complex and colorful and interesting life.

[499] Well, there's a reason some people supersede the sport.

[500] If you don't know the sport, but you know the person.

[501] Is he the only UFC fighter you know?

[502] Yeah, 100%.

[503] I don't know anything about...

[504] And Jake's the only actor you know, right?

[505] Exactly.

[506] She was totally overcombed.

[507] Did you just learn that I was an actor?

[508] Monica just learned that I was an actor.

[509] See that you were a fashionista.

[510] Yeah, which you are.

[511] Wait, I do have a question for you because I want to know how universal this thing is.

[512] A girl made me feel inadequate, basically, and that made the trajectory.

[513] Well, not a girl.

[514] A girl made me feel adequate.

[515] From a physical standpoint, you fall to or are discarded you to succeed?

[516] I just mean the thing that you guys both connect with, do you have that?

[517] Like, do all men, did the trajectory of your life change because of this male competition.

[518] Probably.

[519] For me, yeah, yeah.

[520] For you, for sure.

[521] Probably, yeah.

[522] Are you saying that happened to you also?

[523] No, I'm trying to figure out of...

[524] Oh, is it a man thing?

[525] Jake's saying he doesn't have a different disposition, so I'm wondering.

[526] Yeah, I'd like to sing and stuff, you know?

[527] Exactly.

[528] Also, context, context.

[529] Like, you grew up in Hancock Park.

[530] Where's Hancock Park?

[531] In L .A. No fancy pants.

[532] There's definitely a fair share fights, but yes, I hear what you're getting at.

[533] It's not the same.

[534] Every kid I went to school this day, I worked.

[535] on the line at General Motors, right?

[536] And they taught him, you fucking punch that kid in the mouth the second he says something.

[537] It's the Kentucky culture of pride that's all up north.

[538] Like, it's a different thing.

[539] And there were five, six fights a week in school, and then there's scheduled fights at the Milford Cinema Friday night.

[540] I have this deep respect for that because it is so different from the world which I grew up to answer your saying, Monica.

[541] I think I grew up with this different type of expression.

[542] There was a focus and a honing in and a consistency every day and trying to understand a different kind of craft.

[543] So I get that when you perform.

[544] and you're on stage and the energy of that and what you get back from an audience.

[545] There are similarities, but there are not the same ones.

[546] Though I admired that, particularly, like, in the space of growing up and going, what's this world I didn't know anything about?

[547] So I, like, went and played all these roles and learned from all these people.

[548] You've been special forces, you've been all these hyper -masculent things.

[549] But to learn from people like him, remember when I was sitting next to Eminem, when I did this movie Southpaw, and he did the music, and we did all this press together.

[550] And I was like, what the hell?

[551] I've listened to all his music.

[552] How am I sitting next to this guy?

[553] Like, this is crazy.

[554] It's brought me to people like.

[555] like that.

[556] But I've admired what you're saying.

[557] And I've looked in those worlds and I'm still trying.

[558] That's why when we were fighting, right, I don't have anywhere near those skills.

[559] But what I was trying to understand was I wanted to learn from him.

[560] You get to learn from the best.

[561] It's comical that this was yours.

[562] I mean, I mean, it is.

[563] It is.

[564] Literally ying and yang, isn't it?

[565] No, it is.

[566] You got a great man, Jake.

[567] You're a great lad serious, for real.

[568] I make me feel like a bad guy you do a little bit.

[569] What's good, though, it just works, doesn't it?

[570] No, it's a beautiful.

[571] It's a beautiful pairing.

[572] And he'll decide it and he'll come up with it, but a fucking walks.

[573] I watched the movie two nights ago, and I text him, and I'm like, dude, hats fucking off.

[574] Any real human that stands across from Connor McGregor, and I believe for half a second he might win, it's almost impossible.

[575] I don't know why he let them cast me. I don't know why either.

[576] I literally don't.

[577] I got the call.

[578] I got the call.

[579] I remember where I was because I knew they were chasing him for a long time.

[580] And there was a part of me that was like, oh, my God, that'd be amazing.

[581] And then I was like, oh, my God, I don't want that to happen.

[582] And then I was like, then I get the call.

[583] Everyone was so excited.

[584] And it was like, they accepted the offer.

[585] You bought the best house.

[586] Then I was like, absolute fucking buyer's remorse.

[587] I was like, oh, my God, now we have to do this.

[588] No, let's just say it's like you're playing a snowboarder in a movie.

[589] And your competition, Sean White is in the movie.

[590] And you're like, really?

[591] No one's going to buy this.

[592] You want them to face replace you on Sean.

[593] You know what?

[594] But to be up against it, I mean, there was this moment, though, like when we did meet up for the first time.

[595] He had really tried to stay in this space of who the character was.

[596] He's this wild nature, like in that space that you see when he first enters.

[597] And so he was like that.

[598] As another actor, I could understand what he wanted to get in that space.

[599] He's like, I'm fucking knox.

[600] And he's in the corner.

[601] He's like, I'm ready to take you out.

[602] Yeah, definitely one of my little friend.

[603] I was trying to figure out whether this is a character.

[604] Yeah, yeah.

[605] But then I was like, wait, wait.

[606] So you talk.

[607] Yeah, but like, I talk all the time.

[608] I'm about, okay, so we try and get into the space, because I think the octagon is a sacred space, and I think that in front of the camera is a sacred space too.

[609] When you're in there, you go, okay, you talked a game.

[610] Now he's in your space, and now he's about to present this thing to you.

[611] He's been working on a character, and what are you going to do, cower?

[612] In your head, you have to go, like, all act's fucking circles around you, bitch.

[613] Let's go.

[614] You've got to dial in your own confidence.

[615] I've spent 30 years doing this.

[616] You've spent 30 years doing this.

[617] Let's party.

[618] They're two different, but that's the look that we have at each other.

[619] It is.

[620] That's like, it's so much bigger than, like, a microcosm of what's happening in the actual movie.

[621] To go back to the way Jake was raised enviably, his mom's an artist, his dad's an artist, he's free without any fear of being emasculated by pursuing that inside of him.

[622] That's beautiful.

[623] Yeah.

[624] So I started there, and I've been trying to let go of all the shit.

[625] Trauma, like, from years past.

[626] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[627] Walking into a room and going like, what guy is, okay, I got to keep my eyes on him.

[628] Always prepared.

[629] Like you were saying, waiting.

[630] Waiting, waiting, waiting.

[631] When's this shit going to hit the fan?

[632] What's my plan?

[633] Everywhere I go.

[634] And trying to accept that my life has gotten good.

[635] I'm 49.

[636] I ain't hanging out with the Milford Cinema.

[637] I don't really have to have that anymore.

[638] And I've been watching you.

[639] I'm so fascinated by you.

[640] You're such a fascinating human being on planet Earth.

[641] And I know, dude, I was broke as shit.

[642] You got the fucking money.

[643] Yeah.

[644] You got the cars.

[645] You drove like a knucklehead.

[646] You got the boat.

[647] You got it all.

[648] I know we had the fantasy.

[649] I know we had the fantasy.

[650] I'm going to get this shit.

[651] and I'm going to feel this way.

[652] And then you get the shit and you're like, oh, why don't I fucking feel that?

[653] Did you have that experience?

[654] Yeah, for sure.

[655] It goes back to them, the love of what you're doing and what vehicle you used to get you there.

[656] I use my love of martial arts and being in great shape and being physically ready to compete against another well -trained individual.

[657] Once you acquire all of these things, you kind of just revert back to what you are then.

[658] You know, I wake up.

[659] I like to get my training in.

[660] I like to get my good food in.

[661] I'm sharp then in the mind.

[662] I'm fresh then.

[663] I go about my business throughout the day.

[664] I go back in, then later in the evening, you get another training session in.

[665] It's the same as what I was doing anyway.

[666] It's around nicer surroundings, but it's the same thing.

[667] That's why I always say, understand right now, young athletes or young aspiring actors, what you're doing right now this second, you might not have a pot to piss and you might have no money, you might have really bad surroundings.

[668] But what you're doing right now is what you will be doing when you achieve it.

[669] So carry yourself as if you have achieved it because you have, you're living the dream.

[670] That kind of took the edge off from me as well.

[671] I imagine you have to ask yourself, I know what got me here.

[672] You look back, we know.

[673] Is that what will keep me here?

[674] Yeah, yeah, it's a different time.

[675] Who do I want to be for the next chapter?

[676] I think that's an interesting question for you.

[677] I've wrestled with it.

[678] I'm probably just an addict to the fight game.

[679] I'm addicted to the fight game.

[680] I just want to get in and I want to test me something.

[681] There's more than me. This is going to be the hardest question I ask.

[682] Was there a sweet boy, though, that was 12, who that girl liked, who you had to kind of fucking put away and start on this other path, that maybe as you're a father and you think of your, next chapter of your life, do you want to let that little boy out that was sweet?

[683] Maybe, maybe, but still...

[684] Not that you're not sweet.

[685] No, no, no, no. I'm not saying you're a monster.

[686] I want to hurt nobody.

[687] It's such a beautiful business.

[688] When you make that walk and you step your bare feet on the canvas, it's freedom for a person like me. Then you're challenging yourself and then it the lights, the action, the crowd.

[689] I'm not saying fighting couldn't be a part of that.

[690] Yeah.

[691] You could still fight and then fucking in therapy they call it, not incorporating, what do they call it when you...

[692] Integrate.

[693] You like integrate.

[694] little boy that had to go away at 12.

[695] Yeah, you'd love a bit of that.

[696] And then you were a model of dudes like, oh no, I'll still knock motherfuckers out.

[697] And I'll tell you I'm scared alive.

[698] And I'm scared of my wife being mad.

[699] That's interesting.

[700] Yeah.

[701] Do you know what?

[702] Now did you say that, my children, my son, Connor Jr., my firstborn son, really brought that back out of me. And I look at him with no trauma or no life experience.

[703] It's me as a young boy playing canvas.

[704] I used to me. And then I start blaming people.

[705] Not blaming people.

[706] I'm not blaming people.

[707] I'm saying, you motherfuckers harden me or change me a bit.

[708] You know what I mean?

[709] But see the way you're saying, you're dealing with life's trauma.

[710] I have that as well.

[711] We all have our trauma that we're dealing with.

[712] I got into this stage in life of trying to think of why the person done that to me or why they were that way to me. And then trying to understand from their standpoint, you know, maybe you have compassion for them and I felt empathy and that was it then.

[713] Yeah, the dudes who were fucking with me, their dads were kicking their ass.

[714] Yeah, exactly.

[715] Or even my own father had a lot going on through his life.

[716] It caused him to be a certain way.

[717] I always just tried to understand that then as I got older.

[718] And the things he went through made him in this way.

[719] You know, it just made me a lot more forgiving, a lot more acceptable.

[720] Not that anything bad with my father, it wasn't great.

[721] My father wasn't angry, man, at times.

[722] Angry at his situation.

[723] Now I look at him, oh, you came back from my people.

[724] And now he's a little happy sap rocking around with the money in the pocket and all, you know.

[725] I tried to see it from other people's.

[726] Why are they like that?

[727] You know, how people are with you is more a reflection of them than it is of you.

[728] A thousand percent.

[729] So if you kind of understand it, it brings you to ease, you know, brings you peace.

[730] But the fatherhood, for me, this has been the most illuminating for who I am.

[731] I have two girls.

[732] So I haven't had to decide if I'm going to tell them like, listen, man, whoever hits first generally wins, you get some shit, you swing.

[733] If I had a son, I got to decide what I'm going to pass on, right?

[734] And I have a girl and it's already come up where someone's talking mean to her and how am I going to tell her?

[735] And I'm at this crossroads where it's like, do I want this little person to have to go down the same road as me?

[736] I know.

[737] Or do I want to go?

[738] No, no, that's actually not the world they're in.

[739] That's not me protecting them by giving him this skill set.

[740] I just imagine you with a boy have to be deciding do I teach him how to be me or do I trust that the world's beautiful enough that he doesn't need it?

[741] Because it comes with the price.

[742] I have them in class.

[743] I deal with my own training with them.

[744] Life has to show itself at some point, you know?

[745] You can't...

[746] But do you wrestle with it, I guess.

[747] Yeah, no, I do wrestle with it too as well.

[748] She trains with Cecilina Gracie, one of the Gracie daughters.

[749] Jiu Jitsu is a really great martial art, especially for women for anyone.

[750] You know, you get a jujitsu lady wrap you up in a bowman in a interview.

[751] There's no danger.

[752] Yeah, they're doing crazy stuff.

[753] There's no danger.

[754] So we've got some more champions in our gym, some female world champions.

[755] But train martial arts.

[756] Pray, nothing happens.

[757] It's all peace and flowers and love and happiness and hope for the best, but prepare for, you know.

[758] Yeah.

[759] This is tricky.

[760] Connor, my old's 26, is very artistic.

[761] I could see acting school or some sort of school of performing arts.

[762] I'd love to send my child.

[763] Him and my daughter, Crea, do Irish dancing.

[764] Oh, wonderful.

[765] So I used to do Irish dancing in my skills, but these are real competitors that do this.

[766] They're world champions in Irish dancing.

[767] You know?

[768] Riverdance.

[769] But in my head, I'm saying that's going to be great for his fighting.

[770] Yeah, he's going to be life with me. He's going to be able to kill the eyes and horrible.

[771] But he doesn't want to, he said it to me many times, I don't like training.

[772] I don't want to fight.

[773] It's not shown you don't have to.

[774] Yeah.

[775] But trust me, there'll come a time.

[776] If you have it in the back pocket, you're going to be confident.

[777] Yeah.

[778] That's what I would tell him.

[779] I'll tell him there go come a time where you'll have to river dance, my friend.

[780] If there's four guys, you're not going to win, so start river dancing.

[781] Maybe you can win them over.

[782] That's my technique.

[783] It will definitely scare everyone.

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[804] Okay, first of all, the movie's fucking rad.

[805] He's watched it, yeah, yeah, I watched it two days ago.

[806] Yeah, yeah.

[807] And then I'll be tonight at the premiere and I'm moderating your panel.

[808] I've not heard from many people, only one or two that have watched it outside of the cast.

[809] But I'm biased because one of my very favorite movies of all time is the original.

[810] I'm interested to hear your talk to him because I was aware of that, you know, I knew there's people out with a magnifying glass that would be very critical of it.

[811] I think they're going to be happy.

[812] I don't think there will be no issue with it.

[813] I think people would be actually delighted.

[814] Oh, absolutely.

[815] And it's another addition to the Roadhouse family.

[816] And it's an honor.

[817] I have a question for you, actually.

[818] Going in, you know people in it, you have ties and stuff like that.

[819] Yeah, yeah.

[820] When we talked last year, I was interviewing him, and he just randomly goes, yeah, I was in a scene with Connor McGregor.

[821] And I go, what the fuck were you in a scene with Connor McGregor for it?

[822] And he goes, oh, we're redoing Roadhouse.

[823] He was like, why the fuck are we talking right now?

[824] He literally was like, why am I talking right now?

[825] Why isn't Connor?

[826] Well, also just like, they're remaking one of my favorite movies of all time and I fucking know it inside and out.

[827] Watch you think about it with the new one of the old.

[828] I just wanted to ask you because as a fan It's very important to me because you are a true fan of the O .G. O .G. Roadhouse.

[829] We've been in the middle of this conversation about, oh, what's it like to redo?

[830] And I'm like, well, we didn't redo.

[831] We reimagined it as everyone's saying.

[832] But then there's also mirrors of things that happen in it.

[833] Listen, let's just get to the spirit of it.

[834] We're going to tell a story that the solution to everything is knocking someone out.

[835] It's so classic.

[836] Everyone's hot.

[837] The stakes of it are like, I don't know, this person wants a builder is.

[838] Okay, that's not the priority.

[839] Let's start breaking glass at the bar.

[840] Let's get some good music in.

[841] Let's get some fucking motorcycles.

[842] And let's swing and make out with chicks.

[843] I mean, the spirit of it is...

[844] He didn't really do that, though.

[845] He did a little kid.

[846] It could have been a little bit more.

[847] I would have thought.

[848] Yeah, but we understand the times we're in.

[849] He taught at myself as well.

[850] There could have been a bit more.

[851] That me picking up the chick down the dance and that whole scene was on the floor.

[852] Once they cast Connor, we started to lose time.

[853] It's just, you know what I mean?

[854] It was just...

[855] But when we started talking about it 11 months ago, I was saying, of the many things I liked about it, Patrick Swayze was a peak powers.

[856] What a man. He was so awesome.

[857] He was a gymnast.

[858] He was a firefighter.

[859] He was in outsiders.

[860] River dancer.

[861] He was a football player and what took him out of being a professional football player or he played in college is he destroyed his knee.

[862] And in dirty dancing, he has to jump off the stage.

[863] And if you watch the doc about it, he went over and over.

[864] And every time he landed, just collapsed, like in so much fucking pain.

[865] This is what I love about you.

[866] Not only are you obsessed with Roadhouse, but you also.

[867] so love Dirty Dancing.

[868] Because of Swayze.

[869] He likes Ducky for it.

[870] Not the real thing, that's right now.

[871] Have you seen outsiders?

[872] Swayzy for me. No, you're kidding me. We haven't seen it's a gang movie.

[873] Francis Ford Coppola.

[874] It launched everybody.

[875] It launched Meeleuette.

[876] Tom Cruise.

[877] I love when that happens.

[878] You get something.

[879] Now you can go watch them.

[880] So he was the king when I was the kid.

[881] Swayzy was everything.

[882] So, okay, he makes all the decisions in the movies he's making at that time.

[883] He makes Roadhouse and he gets out of bed naked.

[884] We watch him walk all the way over to the dresser.

[885] and we're just seen as ass cheeks.

[886] This is Swayze?

[887] Oh, this is me?

[888] No, no, Swayzer, but you too.

[889] Swayze.

[890] I don't even know that you know that that was a nod to that.

[891] Was it?

[892] The most memorable thing is...

[893] Yeah, I wouldn't do it, so they asked you to do it.

[894] Is that serious?

[895] You look at your arson.

[896] I always thought it was something to do with Arnold.

[897] I'm about to be telling people.

[898] The Swartaker came in that way.

[899] Terminator.

[900] Well, that's what I was telling him.

[901] I said, look, Arn't he done it.

[902] I'd say the people are going to be shocked at that.

[903] Oh.

[904] No, no, no, was really that going to be able to make.

[905] No, full reverse.

[906] So not only is he nude, and he walks to the thing, and he's in a medium shot.

[907] Then they put a different lens on close up of his ass.

[908] And then he squeezes it.

[909] Yes, he does.

[910] He's in the movie.

[911] And I was like a 12 -year -old going like, do I like this?

[912] But what's he doing?

[913] Why is this happening?

[914] I think I like it.

[915] So I said to Jake, when we talked about the movie 11 months ago, my first question was, and we're going to see your ass cheeks clenched and he said no if we didn't know if we didn't know when they clench damn you do and the first walk away you do no on the first walk away just your basic walking stance it's basically clenched fridge freeze out rocking down the fucking thing i'm going to argue that you actually topped it okay so i'm going into the movie hoping we're going to see something that nods to this and then we meet connor jumping out of a window he's clearly with someone else's woman he's bare naked ding ding ding back to the beginning It's a through line of his life and artistic work.

[916] Look at that.

[917] You've really hit on something.

[918] So not only did we get the butt cheeks, but Connor, well fucking done.

[919] There'll be a 12 -year -old that's having the same experience I had when I was 12.

[920] I'm sorry.

[921] But you didn't or you just are always clenched.

[922] He was doing his.

[923] It's a classic Connor O 'Gregor walk.

[924] I was just going to say.

[925] He does his walk.

[926] And then he doesn't even.

[927] It was.

[928] You know his walk?

[929] You can't be a champion without good glutes.

[930] That is true.

[931] You got to be strong.

[932] It's the center of your being, right?

[933] Well, I'll tell you how, okay, now this is for you, Jake.

[934] Yeah.

[935] So I have once gotten in the shape you got in for this movie.

[936] You got an insane shape.

[937] Yes, congratulations.

[938] Thank you so much.

[939] No, it's glorious.

[940] You always look great, by the way.

[941] What a fucking buffet of muscles.

[942] But what I know...

[943] Buffet of muscles is really good.

[944] What I know...

[945] That's the first time anyone's ever said that.

[946] Buffet of muscles is fantastic.

[947] That should be the like colon, roadhouse, colon, buffet of muscles.

[948] I think that's good.

[949] All you can eat.

[950] Just me and Connor eating muscles.

[951] All you can eat.

[952] All you can eat buffet of muscles.

[953] It's an old camera?

[954] No. No, it's just audio.

[955] We want people to be comfortable, not worried about how they love.

[956] We edit it too.

[957] This show is fantastic.

[958] You're on a fantastic show.

[959] There's a lot of noise out there.

[960] There's a lot of noise out there.

[961] There's so many.

[962] They're champs.

[963] Okay, back to your body.

[964] Yeah.

[965] So, I know.

[966] You know what you went through?

[967] And I'm going to say, because I did this for chips, right?

[968] And I had a butt shot in it.

[969] But once I cut to get ripped, my ass cheeks disappeared.

[970] Now, here's the difference between an actor and a champion.

[971] Somehow he was cut like that.

[972] And then his fucking ass cheeks were banging.

[973] I know.

[974] That's the difference, right?

[975] You would have been bummed with your buns at that weight, yeah?

[976] Well, I stay pretty consistently in shape all the time.

[977] Mental and physical health.

[978] That's important for me. I always stay, as we say, when I train about two to three weeks out.

[979] I like staying in that space.

[980] And if I have to do something more extreme for something, then I'll do that and then I'll change.

[981] Would you say, though, this was peak of your career?

[982] Yes, absolutely.

[983] We had a team.

[984] We had somebody cooking for me, the right calories, everything.

[985] We trained an hour and a half before work.

[986] But the truth is, on this movie, I had to stay in this weird space where you looked aesthetically in the right place, but you also had to function.

[987] That first headboat we did, for instance.

[988] We did that 30, 40 times.

[989] And we did some of these fights.

[990] I took them to turn around and throw them over the bar.

[991] The work was hard.

[992] Yeah.

[993] I was taken back at how I had the fucking walk was.

[994] That surprised me when you were like, I come from a tough game.

[995] Jake has 16 projects on the goal right now in motion.

[996] I cannot understand how he can have that much walk on.

[997] He's like, oh, when I fight, I fight for 30 minutes.

[998] You're like, I got training, and I fight for 30 minutes.

[999] He's like, we have to do this 100 times.

[1000] 14 hours, four days in a row to get one sequence.

[1001] But yeah, you're right.

[1002] The difference between obviously a professional athlete and me is that your glutes have to be ready to go all the time.

[1003] You know, I know my ass was going to be on the show.

[1004] I put a couple more plates on the squat, like you.

[1005] You know?

[1006] How much?

[1007] You two, booty blast workouts.

[1008] This is your sweet spot, though.

[1009] We talked about this last time you were here.

[1010] You love a regimen.

[1011] I do love a regimen.

[1012] And in fact, weren't we saying like maybe that's something you were trying to sort of taper back a little bit?

[1013] Well, we talked, I had already made this movie.

[1014] Oh, great.

[1015] Yeah.

[1016] But like, he was recovering from this movie.

[1017] Yeah.

[1018] But at the same time, too, you get to an age and you're like, I love what I've learned from my body.

[1019] I loved what it shows you and teaches you.

[1020] Sometimes I'll be on a run.

[1021] I'll be like, man, I don't know how long I'll be able to do this.

[1022] I am grateful for this.

[1023] Are you 43?

[1024] 43, yeah.

[1025] You start realizing, well, if I don't do this now, I'm probably not going to be able to do it in five years or not going to be able to do it in six years.

[1026] Your brain shifts.

[1027] Somehow, your mortality becomes a reality.

[1028] For real.

[1029] And so to me, I was like, this is an amazing opportunity.

[1030] At a certain point, I thought, this is fun.

[1031] I have a team of people I know we kind of gathered all together.

[1032] And I've never done that before.

[1033] Every other movie I've done, I've eaten whatever I need to eat myself.

[1034] I have had a trainer, I've trained.

[1035] And I thought, there's an opportunity here to like...

[1036] Let's go full Marvel movie.

[1037] Full force.

[1038] Connor, your physique, how much of it is just from having done the sport you've done?

[1039] And how much do you actually lift and train?

[1040] By that, I did no martial arts training.

[1041] I just kind of benched the martial arts.

[1042] I put it to the side and I was just lifting him.

[1043] You were lifting.

[1044] Lifting heavy as a motherfucker.

[1045] I was doing that anyway because I had the leg injury.

[1046] So I was lifting a lot.

[1047] Let me tell Monica.

[1048] His last fight, his tibia got snapped in half and it was visible.

[1049] in the fight.

[1050] It was one of the grossest.

[1051] Yeah, it's a tough injury.

[1052] It's probably the e -tuffest in the game.

[1053] Oh, my God.

[1054] I was just lifting heavy anyway.

[1055] And then the call came, and then I just lifted that extra bit heavier.

[1056] And then I just tidied up the diet and voila, rocked in.

[1057] So chest and fucking tracts.

[1058] What weight were you in that?

[1059] Every fighter will tell you this, I have a mad relationship with the scale from cutting weight 1 .45, 175, 170.

[1060] Can I just tell Monica real quick.

[1061] He's the only guy in UFC history that was holding two different belts at two different weight class.

[1062] So he's fighting at one way, one month, and then six months later, he's fighting a completely different way.

[1063] And so he'll have to cut 15 fucking pounds.

[1064] Like sometimes even within a day.

[1065] A day?

[1066] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1067] It's not a nice portion of the game.

[1068] It should be monitored a bit better.

[1069] Yeah, because they have to hit the weight that weigh in, 145, right?

[1070] And then he'll start drinking water and come fight night just two days later.

[1071] He might be 15 pounds heavier.

[1072] 20 even, and not even two days there.

[1073] Those injuries come from some of that.

[1074] We all have a relationship with the scale.

[1075] He was in the Beverly Hills Hotel because that's what I had a villet after the surgery.

[1076] Because I had the surgery in Los Angeles.

[1077] So I'm in an electric wheelchair, wheeling myself to the Beverly Hills gym, down into the Beverly Hills Hotel gym, and just getting onto a bench and lifting.

[1078] That was all I was doing on.

[1079] My favorite thing is he's like, I wasn't in shape for this movie I just lifted.

[1080] There's a moment where I try and choke him out and on his back, and he runs backwards and slams me into the back of the wall and then throws me on a table.

[1081] I don't know what the fuck he's like when he's actually in shape.

[1082] Oh.

[1083] But that was insane.

[1084] Would you have been that time?

[1085] I'm usually around $192 ,200, maybe $185 .00, yeah?

[1086] I don't know what way I was, man, that's the truth.

[1087] I decided I'm not even looking at a fucking scales again.

[1088] And I haven't, since that time, I stepped on weight to make that weight for that last fight.

[1089] I have not touched the scales once.

[1090] Do you want to, though?

[1091] Do you not get curious?

[1092] I don't care.

[1093] I called and said the fight is going to be at 185 pounds against Chandler.

[1094] Oh.

[1095] It could be 170.

[1096] Where do you sit, where do you sit, then?

[1097] Normally, like right now you think.

[1098] I don't, no, I don't, no, man, I haven't checked.

[1099] Rob, get the scale.

[1100] Yeah, I check the bill.

[1101] I'd say I'll give or take I feel like I'm coming back down because I'm doing more cardio basketball I think you're coming back down yeah I'm definitely come back down I'm doing more martial arts walk in fact I haven't been lifting at all really I'm doing more martial arts work getting the kick snappy getting the balance work ready you know I know what's ahead of me so the body's getting naturally trimmer I'm probably about 180 maybe I'd say give our take but we have a fact check on this show so we'll need you to go weigh yourself and send it send us in number it's coming soon I'm gonna wait a petty's festivities happen and then I know but who knew that Michael Chandler in the promo video for the UFC fight that I did that's also in the movie.

[1102] Chandler came to the DR to be my opponent that I knock out.

[1103] No way.

[1104] I was like there?

[1105] Yeah.

[1106] You were there?

[1107] Yeah, you were there?

[1108] No way.

[1109] I had no idea.

[1110] And forgive my ignorance.

[1111] Are you fighting him next?

[1112] Well, I mean, that's here what I say.

[1113] You're coming back, right, to the UFC?

[1114] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1115] Two fights left on my UFC contract.

[1116] I'm in a lovely position.

[1117] I'd love to renegotiate with the UFC.

[1118] I'd love to figure something out.

[1119] I'm the highest paid UFC fighter of all time.

[1120] But even despite that I'm the most underpaid UFC fighter.

[1121] Well, when you fought Mayweather, you made a hundred.

[1122] and some million.

[1123] Yeah, I'm just saying when you compare.

[1124] The figures I bring in I'm the most underpaid fighter in history.

[1125] So it's fine, I'm rich as shit, I've made hundreds upon hundreds of millions of dollars.

[1126] I have businesses trending towards millionaire status.

[1127] But what happens now?

[1128] I have two fights left in the UFC.

[1129] I go to the finish, become a free agent, then McGregor promotions happens.

[1130] Then I can pick who I can fight.

[1131] They can pick where.

[1132] Do you like looking at young fighters and do you like thinking about that?

[1133] Like what, to fight them?

[1134] No, no, no, to manage them or promote it.

[1135] Oh, for sure.

[1136] I have a management agency also.

[1137] Part of our sports, We manage some great fighters.

[1138] We have champions on the roster also.

[1139] One of our guys is making his UFC debut tomorrow night.

[1140] Michael Venomitch.

[1141] I sponsor promotions.

[1142] You did do that when we were working.

[1143] He'd look at myself where he'd be like, no, throw that right, just that little bit.

[1144] I'd like that way and then come out.

[1145] And then you're going to grab me, take me. Just higher.

[1146] Bring your arms up higher, you know.

[1147] He's always mentoring.

[1148] Connor, you can say that you would want to promote me. You can say it.

[1149] Yeah, yeah.

[1150] You can say it on the show.

[1151] And I think maybe both of us should be on paradigm.

[1152] I feel like, right?

[1153] Yeah, no, butter.

[1154] You know?

[1155] Do that for sure.

[1156] Man, there's big business in it.

[1157] I'm just gonna like river dance and then you can...

[1158] I'm making so much money you can swim in it.

[1159] I just want to dance in it.

[1160] I'll tell you what I will make you fucking as much, if not more than you make for the movie.

[1161] And it's only 30 minutes, it ain't fucking 10 months.

[1162] What is that?

[1163] Oh, you mean in the ring.

[1164] He's saying in the ring.

[1165] If he wants to get in the ring, I can make him fucking more money than he makes making a movie.

[1166] I know I watched the money that Jake Paul and these Paul brothers have generated.

[1167] And I'm like, I'd fight Zach Bratt.

[1168] Can we set that up?

[1169] It's not selling now.

[1170] I think you should start a whole series.

[1171] that is just actress fighting, and I want to be your fighter.

[1172] I don't.

[1173] So, but again, like I said, I will dance.

[1174] I'll river dance and I'll do other things.

[1175] You're dying to fight.

[1176] Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

[1177] I'm a part of this thing called Train Alta. It's essentially regular people who have regular jobs, and they dedicate, I think it's six months you have to do of their life, to training for a fight, and then they fight in a show and train Alta show.

[1178] And it is hugely successful.

[1179] It's growing at a rapid rate.

[1180] We're going to the New York Stock Exchange.

[1181] shortly to announce it to the public market.

[1182] And what it does also is it's boosted martial arts gyms around the world because they're taking on the program, people are signing up regular people and they're getting loads new members.

[1183] Loads of people are like yourself.

[1184] I haven't wanted to test themselves.

[1185] You could do that, you train, and you learn together, and then you match and then you fight.

[1186] Don't you want to know if Monica's ever fought?

[1187] I want to know if you've ever fought?

[1188] Oh, that's a good question.

[1189] Nope.

[1190] No, never.

[1191] Have you ever wanted to?

[1192] Well, actually, that's not fair.

[1193] I fight all the time with my words.

[1194] Oh, yeah.

[1195] She fights me. I don't have a great record against her verbally.

[1196] I'm pretty good.

[1197] with, I won't finish that sentence.

[1198] But yeah, so I've never fought physically.

[1199] And I have a zero desire.

[1200] So when you watch movies, like, when you watch a movie like this.

[1201] I don't mind seeing it.

[1202] When Dax talks about fighting all the time and his fight stories, I definitely don't.

[1203] She hates them.

[1204] She finds it unattractive.

[1205] I don't find it hot.

[1206] I will say that.

[1207] Yeah.

[1208] A professional sense is such a different thing, but like a bar fight doesn't do much for me. They're not good.

[1209] They're 100%.

[1210] It's just like, why, guys.

[1211] You want to enjoy yourself.

[1212] You want to get deeper psychological.

[1213] Yeah.

[1214] There's a real reason.

[1215] So back when I was a drunk and I fought all the time at bars, there were girls that like that.

[1216] But those were girls like me who grew up in an environment that was scary.

[1217] And they want someone that's going to protect them because they got knocked around by dad or they got knocked around by an uncle.

[1218] What sad is you attract other people that are also hurt.

[1219] Totally.

[1220] It's not like my wife who's not maladjusted or grew up in a lot of violence.

[1221] I beat a guy up on the sidewalk one day when we were drunk.

[1222] driving to an van and she fucking hated it.

[1223] I'm like, that dude threw a fucking glass at her window, he could have hurt you.

[1224] And she's like, no, we were fine.

[1225] You didn't need to do that.

[1226] That was terrible.

[1227] Yeah, it's a right way to be.

[1228] I'm a happy drunk, by the way.

[1229] We don't fight a lot, to be honest.

[1230] The only way we'll ever really fight in a bar out in the home space, if there's a threat really on me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1231] Now, if I've gone, the mind is gone.

[1232] Anything can happen then.

[1233] But also, I want to say, there's also a reason I would never fight because everyone had their own scary environments.

[1234] I didn't have any physical fear growing up, but I had a lot of, like, I have to be accepted.

[1235] So I was not ever going to be in a situation to fight because I would do anything to be liked.

[1236] I'm not going to be the person to fight.

[1237] You can find safety in many ways.

[1238] And for me, safety was being liked by most people as possible.

[1239] So fighting was not on the radar.

[1240] Outside of the fighting, to me, I love the physical part of the training.

[1241] Yeah.

[1242] The training for it mentally also, and even sparring, it takes you to a different level because it does something in your nervous system, in your mind, in your body.

[1243] All of it together is working.

[1244] So outside of the fight itself, the training, I love it.

[1245] It pushes you to a place.

[1246] It fortifies you in other areas of your life.

[1247] It gives you the opportunity to see how far you can push your mind and your body.

[1248] And fight training is really the only space where you can do that in that particular way.

[1249] It would be easy for you to get addicted to it.

[1250] If you got a competition under your belt and you felt that experience and that rush, there's no adrenaline rush like it.

[1251] Oh, my God.

[1252] You're going to join UFC.

[1253] Yeah.

[1254] Yeah, right.

[1255] My explanation of fighting is I have never lost the fight because I've only been fighting the fear in myself.

[1256] So if I can not be afraid, I can't lose.

[1257] I can get beat up.

[1258] That's the truth for me. So everyone gets to decide, and it's great for everyone to make their own decision.

[1259] But for me, the only thing I'm fighting is fear.

[1260] So I can't lose.

[1261] I've had my nose broken.

[1262] It's crooked.

[1263] I got missing.

[1264] I don't get it.

[1265] I always say, once you make that walk, girl, we don't want you to make that walk.

[1266] Yes, because I only have to defeat the voice in my head that's afraid.

[1267] Guys, guys, guys, guys, nobody ever wins a fight.

[1268] Yes, that's a good line.

[1269] I've just been trying to, I just been trying to get it in there.

[1270] I've just every fucking second I've been trying.

[1271] You're like, you won't even let me. That's all I wanted to say.

[1272] That's a pro.

[1273] That's 70 press junk.

[1274] That's what a pro does.

[1275] Like, when you throw that left hook, that's your thing.

[1276] What he just did is his left hook.

[1277] That's right.

[1278] Okay, I do want to talk about the fight sequences are so fucking.

[1279] radical.

[1280] Doug Lyman, I wish he was here.

[1281] What an incredible job.

[1282] He's coming here.

[1283] Oh, he got over it.

[1284] Oh, good.

[1285] Well, I mean, I'm in it down.

[1286] I hope he's got up.

[1287] Yeah, I mean, it's just going to be a huge success.

[1288] We all deserve it to be here.

[1289] He did an incredible job.

[1290] And he told me, I found it hard to believe he hadn't even seen the original movie.

[1291] But regardless, there's so much physical fighting and reenacting of fighting.

[1292] Did you get hurt a bunch?

[1293] And also, was it hard for you to snap into movie version?

[1294] I was definitely acting and playing a role, for sure.

[1295] And as far as, like, did I get hurt was as tough as I've ever.

[1296] I have a fucking experience.

[1297] Me and Jake were fighting on a little dingy in the middle of the ocean, yeah?

[1298] And I have this fucking anchor.

[1299] And I swing the anchor and then the boat veers, I get thrown off.

[1300] But not only that, when I land in the water, the camera was there, so I had to...

[1301] There's a thing online, it's a white Siberian tiger jumping into the sea or into a pool or something to grab a bit of meat.

[1302] Did you ever see that?

[1303] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1304] It's a picture.

[1305] On Instagram, yeah.

[1306] I wanted to get that when I got in the water.

[1307] But that wasn't the finish of it.

[1308] The boat was going...

[1309] It's a speedboat and it's going fucking...

[1310] You know, it's tear them the fucking shoulder on me. I was like, we had shoulder surgery on the right shoulder about eight months ago.

[1311] That really exensuated because it was tearing the fucking shoulder down me suck it.

[1312] It's a damn tough business, especially a movie like that.

[1313] Now, I'd imagine you're sitting on a rom -com type of thing.

[1314] They're probably handy.

[1315] I don't know, you'd know, Jake.

[1316] But that one was fucking handy.

[1317] Sometimes in those scenes, we're fighting on the floor, we're fighting around tables.

[1318] We're fighting around glass, even if it's breakaway glass.

[1319] You know, the car goes through the...

[1320] You drive the truck into the...

[1321] Into the...

[1322] Because not everyone...

[1323] Oh, into the bar.

[1324] Into the roadhouse.

[1325] To the roadhouse.

[1326] Ding, ding, ding.

[1327] I have to jump over the bar as the car crashes But Doug wanted to do in a very particular way Because he didn't want it to look the way he usually looks So I go over the bar It's CGIed that truck coming in But we had to do the whole thing The door's opening and all shit And so then I get up I'm supposed to have sort of been a little bit out of it I put my hand on the bar Oh, it was glass Fucking straight glass But the take I knew was good Because we were cutting right before And they didn't cut So I was like around the corner I was like we're not doing it again I felt the glass going to my hand So that's the part where I slammed the door in his leg?

[1328] Yes, yes, over and over again.

[1329] So I have to just finish that off so it can get to that point.

[1330] I remember the feeling, I went, that's a lot of glass.

[1331] And I just finished the fucking take.

[1332] And I just finished the day and got to the thing.

[1333] Stuff like that all the time.

[1334] I mean, staff, from grappling and all that, you get those types of injuries.

[1335] Did you get an infection?

[1336] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1337] I thought it came from, remember that scene where you come with a piece of wood?

[1338] Oh, you only got it after, did you?

[1339] I kept grabbing, I was on the ground and grabbing you as you were at me and I grabbed your arm.

[1340] Oh, yeah.

[1341] And I thought, oh, maybe I injured.

[1342] but my whole arm sold of it.

[1343] It ended up being staff.

[1344] Oh, shit.

[1345] You got to watch with that staff.

[1346] There were things like that that happened all the time, but gratefully, I was really, really trying to take care of everything that we did and my body while we were doing it.

[1347] I didn't sustain any major injuries.

[1348] You didn't break anything.

[1349] He's a testament to the team I was working with.

[1350] Yeah, who's the crew of stunt dudes or women.

[1351] Garrett Warren.

[1352] This guy Steve Brown is our stunt coordinator.

[1353] Steve Brown's our fight coordinator.

[1354] Is he been with Lyman for ever?

[1355] No, no. Gare and Steve.

[1356] It was Avatar.

[1357] There's fight scenes in Avatar.

[1358] Yeah, there are.

[1359] But they do a lot of waterwork, too.

[1360] Actually, that was fun.

[1361] Oh, that's like a cartoon.

[1362] But actually, they designed this, like, four -pass system that we did for the movie.

[1363] Garrett designed this thing where basically you do the Hollywood pass of the fight in a take, right?

[1364] So you do the angles for the camera.

[1365] And then you do the next pass where there's a pad.

[1366] So the pad then replaces Connor.

[1367] So then I hit the pad.

[1368] You can punch for real.

[1369] For real.

[1370] So you see the impact on my body.

[1371] Yes.

[1372] Then it switches.

[1373] And then it's the punch.

[1374] is hitting Connor, so then we take the pad and hit Connor with the pad.

[1375] So his body responds.

[1376] Then we do the last pass, which is a slow motion pass, which is like when you're kids and you're playfighting, and you actually hit.

[1377] So good.

[1378] So good.

[1379] So good.

[1380] I've never seen that in the movie.

[1381] I've never seen the connection like that in the movie.

[1382] So when I forced it out, which is big.

[1383] I was trying to explain that four pass thing in an interview there.

[1384] You just done it way better.

[1385] I have a video of Chandler that we did because we were testing it out and I'm just hammerfisting him.

[1386] it's in the corner of the octagon for just a clip and it's really funny working with real fighters because like with him you asked before and I think it's really interesting he didn't know how to fake fight and the same thing with Chandler I'm fake hitting Chandler and he's resisting as you would he's keeping his neck stiff enough so that he don't knock him out and we're like you need to play like you're getting hit and so to unlearn that for a fighter is like telling you to go against all your instincts I'll say something and people can look out for it in the movie in a scene where you jump on the back and your hand the choke and I smack you on the table and I'm trying to get out of it, right?

[1387] Yeah.

[1388] You're actually choking me, right?

[1389] No shit, you're talking like that.

[1390] And his foot, you know, you put your hooks in.

[1391] You're probably put your hooks in so you have full control of the person.

[1392] I was trying to turn into you.

[1393] And as I was getting choked and the hook was there stuck so I couldn't.

[1394] I was like this.

[1395] I had to let go.

[1396] Get the hook out and then torn.

[1397] That's as real as I gets, yes.

[1398] He told me to do it like that.

[1399] So he was like, you want to really get me. Just do it like this and wrap your legs around me. And I was like, okay, sure.

[1400] And what I do and he's like, what the fuck are you doing?

[1401] He was escaping, yeah.

[1402] If I were you, I'd be living the whole time in fear of like, when am I going to accidentally trigger his real response?

[1403] Because something happens at some point.

[1404] It's not an emotional response.

[1405] It's a fighter's response.

[1406] And so to me, that's the thing that I had to understand.

[1407] And there were a number of times I remember I had to say to you before we start the scene, I'd be like, remember, you don't have to actually hit me. And he would say, he would literally go, yep, yep, yep.

[1408] I remember.

[1409] Thanks for the reminder.

[1410] Yeah, because I think in those moments, the instant comes in.

[1411] Remember that first thing we did?

[1412] We did four or five combination, and then you come off camera and then you roundhouse me, right?

[1413] And I'm supposed to block you.

[1414] But early on, he was so psyched to do the scene.

[1415] It was like his first day shooting me. Too excited.

[1416] He just came running off camera and just roundhouse kicked me every time.

[1417] I remember I sent you.

[1418] That was my fear for you when I was watching.

[1419] Like, does he know how to pull?

[1420] But this is the thing with him on set.

[1421] He was so great.

[1422] I turned to you and I said, you know, we're not on camera.

[1423] And he was, like, so in the character.

[1424] Yeah, because I didn't really know where the camera is away at times.

[1425] Sure, sure.

[1426] There was a moment where...

[1427] Yeah, it's hard to know.

[1428] It was actually my very first take that I done.

[1429] Yes, in the water.

[1430] You weren't there at this time.

[1431] I came up out of the sea after the boat crash.

[1432] I had to swim to the fucking ladder.

[1433] It was a wide shot or a long shot.

[1434] I don't know what way he's called in the industry.

[1435] But it was nowhere near me. Yeah, you didn't need you do any of this.

[1436] I'm under the water, like, and myself drowned.

[1437] I'm saying I'm coming out of this water like a torpedo.

[1438] I just want that full body, hum.

[1439] I'm thinking this is going to look so great on the movie.

[1440] And I've done like 10 takes.

[1441] I came out of water like a fucking torpedo.

[1442] And then, okay, guys, now we're switching cameras.

[1443] And I was like, wait, what?

[1444] And the camera was not going to hear.

[1445] I didn't even see it.

[1446] And I was absolutely exhausted.

[1447] It's such.

[1448] When it was actually time to do it, I was like, I flunked everyone.

[1449] It's like that was a good lesson.

[1450] It's a hard lesson.

[1451] It was a bit of training as well.

[1452] It's kind of like when does Zigfried and Roy's tiger decide to bite?

[1453] It's like that, right, where it's, like, trained and it's fine.

[1454] And then all of a sudden, they're a tiger, really.

[1455] Yeah, like, you catch him on an accident on the button, and all of a sudden there's a real snap.

[1456] Only once in by mistake, we looked at the shot, and he was like, oh, there's this, and I could throw that right a little bit tighter, and if I throw that right a little bit tighter, and then you popped me, and you went, oh, I didn't mean to it.

[1457] You took it away.

[1458] That's minimal, though, for that much fighting in the movie.

[1459] What I realize is, really, we were at different ends of the spectrum in that sense, and that the pacing of yourself in shots, understanding where the camera is, all the techniques of making a movie.

[1460] Not a sprint.

[1461] All that stuff that any professional athlete would tell anybody who's just an amateur in the same game.

[1462] Yeah.

[1463] He would do the opposite when we were in fights.

[1464] You know, when we were in fights, it was always that you don't have to do that because you bring this leg up and you do it like that.

[1465] And then he'll look back and he'll say that left was a little weak.

[1466] Maybe that straight and he's a bit strong.

[1467] A little torque of the body, a little bit of torso work, a little hip.

[1468] Jake knows how to throw a backhand, knows how to throw a jab.

[1469] The work he would have done with South Paw and his regular training.

[1470] But as I went on in a flurry of combinations, one of them might have been a little bit of.

[1471] I doiled a few little things and just made it come across way more venomous, way more realistic.

[1472] We had a great balance together and a great chemistry and the shows in the movie.

[1473] So listen, when a professional athlete joins a movie, it's happened a bunch of times.

[1474] We have a lot of examples of it.

[1475] You're always like, oh, how's this going to go?

[1476] And I want to tell you, you're fantastic.

[1477] Thank you so much.

[1478] You're so good.

[1479] Thank you.

[1480] Appreciate that.

[1481] If you want to do it more and more, you will do it more and more.

[1482] You're really, really confident and you're not self -conscious and you're entertaining as hell.

[1483] I mean, the movie goes like this, doesn't it?

[1484] He comes in and he goes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1485] How is it fitting into, and I wonder how calculated the overall thing?

[1486] So it's like you've got beer, you've got the whiskey, you've got nightclubs, you've got fighting, you've got clothes, acting.

[1487] How does this play into the overall thing?

[1488] I'm a creator.

[1489] I create an entertainment.

[1490] So this would lend itself well to it.

[1491] And, you know, let's see how it goes.

[1492] It's a huge pay decrease for you to spend your time.

[1493] You love movies.

[1494] I love movies.

[1495] I enjoy the process.

[1496] I'm enjoying this process.

[1497] Who knows what I wish.

[1498] Will say is with confidence, my life is so far removed from regular life.

[1499] You know, as you say, it's like being an animal in the zoo.

[1500] I feel like I'm so far detached as it is.

[1501] I could play any role.

[1502] And that helps me. So let's see.

[1503] Okay, so you reminded me of the first movie I ever did was without a paddle.

[1504] And I didn't know anything.

[1505] I didn't know how cameras worked.

[1506] I didn't know it supposed to stay in the same spot or that they did a wide and then we had to do it again.

[1507] I didn't know anything.

[1508] And I was like you.

[1509] I'm trying to be the best edit.

[1510] And Bert Reynolds was in the movie.

[1511] Thank God.

[1512] And he pulled me aside a couple times.

[1513] He's like, I know you want to do this stunt.

[1514] they're not going to see you you're going to break your arm i broke my back in this movie no one could see me you know he was like helping me along but then he also told me this great fucking story he was friends with rocky marciano they were bros and he said one time they were sitting at a bar and they were hammered rocky is seated and bert gets up to go to the bathroom and he looks at rocky and he thinks i think if i just swung right now while he's sitting i think i could not No way.

[1515] And he said, as he was thinking it, Rocky turned, and he said, Bert, don't do this.

[1516] And he goes, he goes, you know what I was thinking?

[1517] He goes, everyone around me will have that thought.

[1518] Don't think that.

[1519] Oh, my God.

[1520] And it made me think of you.

[1521] And I was like, do you have this sense that guys are just like, shit, is this the moment?

[1522] You're like, you live with that little bit.

[1523] Yeah, fuck it.

[1524] But do you experience that at all?

[1525] Whether you're a fighter or not, alcohol can make people like that, you know?

[1526] So it doesn't necessarily mean it's gross on my fighter, you know, people want to take a shot.

[1527] That's the way people are.

[1528] But here's the irony.

[1529] The irony is you get good at this so you can feel safe.

[1530] You want everyone to know, like, move to someone else.

[1531] There's an easier target.

[1532] It was almost to get left alone.

[1533] Yes.

[1534] So it kind of backfired a bit now because I want, never get left alone.

[1535] Yes.

[1536] I do have that at times, yes.

[1537] And I've done this so people are leaving me to fuck alone.

[1538] Now I can't fucking go anywhere.

[1539] The irony of, you know what, I'm going to make it so clear.

[1540] that you're better off fucking with another person.

[1541] And then yet that in itself makes these random people feel like, well, I'd be a legend for life if I can knock this stranger out.

[1542] You kind of invite more...

[1543] Who would want to do that with you?

[1544] A million dudes I know from Michigan.

[1545] They would risk their life to have a story where they...

[1546] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[1547] They would risk their life for it.

[1548] They are risking their life for it.

[1549] Yeah, cool.

[1550] Especially because they rock around with motherfuckers armed.

[1551] Yeah, we're not playing over here in the United States.

[1552] If America, I've rocked around the logs to the shop, yeah?

[1553] Don't give a fuck.

[1554] Don't mess in this.

[1555] You know what I mean?

[1556] So that's it.

[1557] In Ireland, probably not far out of either.

[1558] Stay tuned for more Armature Expert If you dare.

[1559] Guys, the movie kicks so much ass.

[1560] It has so much of the original DNA which, of course, I'm a huge, huge fan of.

[1561] Connor, you must feel flattered that not only was the first reverse nude scene so wonderful.

[1562] You keep saying reverse nude like there's My Irish compatriot, Barry Cown was butt -naked in one of his recent movies.

[1563] Frontal as hell.

[1564] Oh, I love him.

[1565] Yeah, he's great guy.

[1566] I know him well, I know him since many years.

[1567] Do you?

[1568] No, Barry, yeah.

[1569] He's had a crazy story, right?

[1570] He's had a trouble doing all right, but he's doing very well.

[1571] He's a great actor.

[1572] Yeah, he's a great actor.

[1573] But he's done a bit of front.

[1574] I mean, I don't give a fuck.

[1575] Talk to me. But I gotta say the ultimate compliment is they were like, you know what, that was so good.

[1576] Let's fucking end this movie with another shot.

[1577] That's how you know you've scored in a movie when they decide to put you in the last frame of the movie.

[1578] Yeah, that is true.

[1579] I didn't think of it like that.

[1580] I was just happy not to be wiped out and maybe there's an opportunity.

[1581] Well, as we educate you on this, let me just tell you, when they decide to go back to you with the titles.

[1582] It means you've done good.

[1583] That means you popped.

[1584] That's great that is, yeah?

[1585] That's so good.

[1586] All right, well, boys, what is next?

[1587] Do you think now that you like it enough, you'll try to do it again?

[1588] Well, we've had no discussions about it.

[1589] You know, it's all still in the air.

[1590] I'm sure an offer will come, and I'm interested to see what it is.

[1591] Will we be bros?

[1592] to do the Rocky Apollo.

[1593] I'm so interested because there's some incredible writers out there that can really make magic.

[1594] And if there's a man that can make magic and two men, it's myself and Jake.

[1595] So we'd be excited to do something like that down the line.

[1596] I got to add one other thing I forgot to say is the gift you gave the writers, which is normally they would have had to spend 15 minutes on your character to establish why you would be a threat to a guy who was seemingly undefeated in the UFC and killed somebody.

[1597] We don't really know why you're as tough as you are other than it's Connor fucking McCrack.

[1598] It's so meta.

[1599] I mean, that's the thing about the movie that's so great.

[1600] Meaning, it just exists outside of the actual storyline and inside the storyline.

[1601] That's also what makes the movie so fun is like you can't remake the OG original.

[1602] Well, this is where this movie's superior to the original is that the bad guy in the original, it's not you.

[1603] Patrick brings that movie home, but we don't have a comparable or equal as an adversary.

[1604] Yes.

[1605] And in this, we do.

[1606] We fall in love with you.

[1607] You don't want to be doing this.

[1608] He's suicidal.

[1609] There's all these things about.

[1610] Sinister.

[1611] His torn when he starts going crazy and putting the thing in the back of the head.

[1612] That happens at the drop of a happen.

[1613] Me and him are fighting right and I'm beating him bad and at one stage I look at him like what the fuck is up with this guy?

[1614] There's something wrong with this guy.

[1615] He's a psycho.

[1616] I looked at him like that just not even part of the story or unbeknownst and then Doug Lyman jumps and wait, way, way, wait, wait, hold on.

[1617] That's it.

[1618] And then the whole thing shifts and then he becomes a bit evil and then I almost become the likable guy and it's just a weird fucking dynamic.

[1619] I was shocked that could happen in the making of a movie.

[1620] But stuff like that happens on Doug movies all the time.

[1621] That's what he does, yeah.

[1622] Even with Steve and Garrett, that first slap fight was just a punch fight.

[1623] They wanted to be kind of funny.

[1624] And I was like, oh, it's cool.

[1625] But what if I just slapped the shit out of all them?

[1626] And they were like, yes, we're going to redo that.

[1627] And so they just really re -choregraphed the whole thing for slaps.

[1628] But by the way, you're telling so much about your character in that moment to choose slapping.

[1629] It's like, you don't want to do this.

[1630] You're not a bravado tough guy trying to dominate people.

[1631] You have integrity.

[1632] The difference between you punching them and slapping them, and that scene.

[1633] It establishes that your character has integrity.

[1634] Yeah, it's so good.

[1635] Yeah, it's so subtle, and it can just be discovered, and it's so powerful.

[1636] But the writers had, there are a couple columns of scenes that were always there that worked so well.

[1637] But then there was always room for play.

[1638] Even in the fighting, there was always room for play.

[1639] So we were re -choregraphing moments in the moment.

[1640] We'd have a shape of the fight, and then we knew Doug wanted to shoot things in longer takes than just, like, cutting for angles.

[1641] And then we would do stuff, and it wouldn't work, and then we'd recap, and then he would come up with an idea.

[1642] We'd look back, oh, that looks better if I come over here.

[1643] Why don't I just throw a kick instead of a punch?

[1644] Why don't I give you an elbow and then I'll grab you?

[1645] And then we just do it.

[1646] So for me, I'm not the best with remembering choreography when I'd got to do it like an improv or someone told me, say the line like this, go now.

[1647] It was the same thing with the fights.

[1648] So the fights have that spirit.

[1649] We did that one take and it worked.

[1650] Okay, cool.

[1651] We did that.

[1652] It wasn't exactly how we choreographed it.

[1653] Let's move on.

[1654] Let's go to the next section.

[1655] We did that the whole time.

[1656] It just made it so much more enjoyable.

[1657] Sometimes you would hit a wall with the cardio, And you were like, right, I'm done.

[1658] And I'd be fucking exhausted also.

[1659] And when he's done that, he's the head.

[1660] I was like, yes, thank you.

[1661] Because a lot of these fights happened at night.

[1662] They happened in night.

[1663] And so we were shooting over a long -end.

[1664] 4 a .m. I'd be like, guys, it's going to be dangerous.

[1665] And then where are you?

[1666] You need to be back now for the day shoot.

[1667] He was like 10 hours.

[1668] No, I work in January, and then I work in July.

[1669] For 30 minutes.

[1670] That's exactly what he said.

[1671] He's like, I'm coming back tomorrow.

[1672] We're not finished.

[1673] I bought last night.

[1674] I'll see you in six months.

[1675] It's so true.

[1676] It's so true.

[1677] You said that to me. How long was the shoot?

[1678] It was between two or three months.

[1679] Oh, he was only supposed to be there for five weeks.

[1680] I was there for about 10 weeks all in.

[1681] So I would double me out.

[1682] I actually shave my beard.

[1683] Because I was like, all right, we done.

[1684] It was wrapped.

[1685] We had the fucking rap happy days.

[1686] And then I shaved their beard.

[1687] And then I start getting phone.

[1688] I'll come back.

[1689] We do one more thing.

[1690] I was like, sorry.

[1691] As you want to fucking for the story that I'm having the beard.

[1692] Well, you guys crushed it.

[1693] How nice is it to be up promoting something where you actually can be friends?

[1694] 100%.

[1695] You can go back and forth.

[1696] right?

[1697] You don't need unsolicited advice, but I'm going to give it to you.

[1698] I think you're a very special person.

[1699] Thank you so much.

[1700] I'm 13 years further down the road than you.

[1701] And you have the most special opportunity, which is like you've been building, building, building, and you're going to continue to build.

[1702] And at some point, you'll have built all the shit.

[1703] And I think you'll find the joy in giving it away to people.

[1704] Not the things, but helping the other people get to build their shit.

[1705] And you have the most incredible opportunity because every boy loves you.

[1706] you are the most masculine human being on planet earth and if you choose to bring in the 12 year old sometimes you give permission to all those boys to bring in their 12 year old and I hope you do that because you have the power you're so powerful appreciate it I mean thank you so much what would you say would you say keep going to this industry in this business the more you are able to be honest about the vulnerabilities and fears you've had and the things that scare you and the humanness you have I think it allows another boy to go, yeah, me too, man. I'm fucking afraid.

[1707] And I'm afraid of this.

[1708] And I'm not allowed to even say it or I'm a pussy.

[1709] So you're on this incredible ride.

[1710] You're really special.

[1711] And I think the more you choose to bring that in, that's a gift you could give.

[1712] You have the ear of so many boys that no one has.

[1713] And they're little.

[1714] And what you would tell your son, feel free to share that out loud everywhere you go because it's really powerful.

[1715] Thank you so.

[1716] Appreciate that, man. This has been such a pleasure, man. I didn't think I'd ever get to sit down to talk to you.

[1717] fun.

[1718] Would you believe this is my first podcast?

[1719] It is.

[1720] It's a good one.

[1721] You know, I'm really liking the vibe, I have to say.

[1722] They're not like this.

[1723] I wouldn't say so.

[1724] I'm going to say something, actually, because I think the two of you are obviously just great human beings and what you bring out in people in your show is so special.

[1725] And I just love what you said and what you're doing every day is good stuff.

[1726] Oh, thank you.

[1727] And I, like, really, it's really good stuff.

[1728] Right back at you.

[1729] Real recognize Real.

[1730] I like the hard work.

[1731] It's so attractive.

[1732] Everyone here's so hot.

[1733] Let's just say it.

[1734] Let's just end on that.

[1735] This is a fucking smoke show.

[1736] They're bringing in the fire extinguishers in a minute.

[1737] All right.

[1738] Love you guys.

[1739] Good luck with Roadhouse.

[1740] It's spectacular.

[1741] It comes out March 21st on Amazon.

[1742] I know everyone's a little bummed by that.

[1743] I'm excited.

[1744] I think the most amount of people will see it.

[1745] I want everyone to see it.

[1746] You think it's better for a streamer?

[1747] I think more people see it.

[1748] So it's like, again, isn't it really?

[1749] If you're in a position where you were trying to build some career in one box office data to demonstrate how much you should get paid, sure, I would want that for you.

[1750] But if you're an artist and you want the most amount of people to have a blast on a Friday night and watch this, this is it.

[1751] Yeah, deadly, love it.

[1752] I agree.

[1753] You know, when you think about it as a kid, I think about when I watched certain things on VHS.

[1754] Oh, fuck, yeah.

[1755] Some of the things that I love the most that lasted.

[1756] I mean, the truth is.

[1757] I didn't see Roadhouse in the movie theater.

[1758] No, I saw Point Brose.

[1759] break on VHS.

[1760] You feel like you own it.

[1761] You have like ownership.

[1762] Yes.

[1763] And I think it doesn't take away from that experience of going to cinema because tonight when we go...

[1764] No, I'm very glad I get to do both.

[1765] Yeah.

[1766] I can't wait to be in a room with those people watching this movie on a big screen.

[1767] It's going to be a party.

[1768] Let's go party, so...

[1769] Let's go.

[1770] I hope you pace yourself.

[1771] It's a little early.

[1772] Let's get you an eight ball so that you're awake for the...

[1773] Started and ended on Coke.

[1774] I love it.

[1775] All right.

[1776] Good luck.

[1777] This was awesome.

[1778] Stay tuned for the fact check so you can hear all the facts that were wrong.

[1779] Ready almost?

[1780] I have a few more chews left.

[1781] Just a couple more bites.

[1782] These bars are very chewy.

[1783] Yeah, they are.

[1784] Which I like.

[1785] You know how I feel about too chewy.

[1786] Caramel.

[1787] Mm -hmm.

[1788] Not for me. Ding, ding, ding.

[1789] You have caramel bands on.

[1790] Yeah.

[1791] I was going to fight that, but you're right.

[1792] You have caramel skin.

[1793] That'll fight.

[1794] Why?

[1795] It's not that purple color.

[1796] Yeah.

[1797] That's fair.

[1798] What would you prefer?

[1799] It's brown skin.

[1800] Brown skin.

[1801] My skin is brown.

[1802] Brown skin.

[1803] I'm talking about your brown skin.

[1804] I don't know where you stops and where mine begins.

[1805] What's that?

[1806] There's a beautiful song.

[1807] I feel very excluded about it because it's two brown skin lovers and they don't know where one starts and the other ends.

[1808] And you would know if you were brown skin, you're with me, it would be stark.

[1809] Like, oh, gross.

[1810] Yeah, you're not a part of that song.

[1811] Jesus, turn the lights down in here.

[1812] India Ari?

[1813] Oh, India Ari.

[1814] Go ahead hit us with a little bit of that.

[1815] There's also a brown skin girl.

[1816] Leon Bridges?

[1817] Leon Bridges song.

[1818] That is good.

[1819] Very good.

[1820] I like that I think of myself.

[1821] And there's brown sugar.

[1822] Brown skin.

[1823] You know, I love it.

[1824] Oh, sex.

[1825] I can't tell where yours begins.

[1826] I can't tell where my new...

[1827] Oh, okay.

[1828] Fuck.

[1829] Great.

[1830] Ding, ding.

[1831] I virtually had the lyric.

[1832] It's probably been 15 years.

[1833] You did good.

[1834] I'll give it to you.

[1835] I mean, not in its rendition, but the lyrics were...

[1836] Ding, ding, ding, ding.

[1837] India, Ari, India, the country.

[1838] Today we released Bill Gates' episode.

[1839] It's actually not Ding, ding, ding, because that's not what this is for.

[1840] We're not redoing the fact check for an episode that came out this morning.

[1841] But I'm thinking about it.

[1842] Me too, because we got to post our little videos about it.

[1843] And do you know what Bill posted?

[1844] No. Do you want me to read it?

[1845] Yes, I'm scared.

[1846] You should be so scared.

[1847] Very scary.

[1848] It's always great to join at Doc Sheppard and at ML Padman for an episode of At Armature ExpertPod.

[1849] They're two of my favorite people.

[1850] Oh, man. Now, I posted that, and I put an arrow to that line.

[1851] Okay, great.

[1852] And I said, you said it, no takebacks.

[1853] You're good at this thing.

[1854] Life?

[1855] Yeah, well, life, but social media and emails.

[1856] Right.

[1857] You wrote to the best boy, classic.

[1858] I call that writing.

[1859] Yeah.

[1860] You're good at it, too.

[1861] I have an arena in which I'm good at it.

[1862] I don't know how great I am at it, like, on, Instagram or stuff.

[1863] Like, I can write pros and screenplays.

[1864] Don't you feel, I guess we're going to brag.

[1865] Today's a good episode to brag.

[1866] Why?

[1867] Because this is for Jake and Connor.

[1868] Oh, right.

[1869] And he is.

[1870] And Connor's all about.

[1871] He's made a career out of self -promotion.

[1872] That's right.

[1873] Yeah.

[1874] And he is.

[1875] Like, he promotes self -promotion.

[1876] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1877] Like, he talks about that.

[1878] It's important.

[1879] It's like weird.

[1880] Like, well, it does fall into the thing I have said in the past.

[1881] which is like there's certain people when they're ostentatious, I don't like it.

[1882] And there's certain people I really root for them when they're ostentatious.

[1883] Connor McGregor is from fucking Dublin 12.

[1884] Like, if he's out there showing off, you made it happen.

[1885] I like it.

[1886] Like, I can stomach it as opposed to like the child of a billionaire doing it.

[1887] It's a little different.

[1888] Ding, ding, bang, Bill.

[1889] India, India, R .R. Brown skin.

[1890] Okay, bragging.

[1891] Okay.

[1892] Writing.

[1893] I think writing is the only, now I'm going to say it, and it's going to backfire so bad.

[1894] Uh -oh.

[1895] But I think for me, personally, writing is the only place, it's the only arena that I feel confident.

[1896] I'm never going to write something bad.

[1897] Sure.

[1898] Yeah.

[1899] I might write something just fine, or it'll be okay.

[1900] But I don't ever worry that what I'm putting out there.

[1901] in writing is bad.

[1902] Yeah, yeah, I can relate to that.

[1903] Do you feel like that?

[1904] I thought you're going to go way further.

[1905] That's fine.

[1906] That's not, that's not too bragy.

[1907] Well, it's a little braggy.

[1908] It's braggy, but I can't say that about any other arena in my entire life.

[1909] It's just that.

[1910] I know that about myself.

[1911] Yeah, I would agree.

[1912] Like, I can, I can do some bad acting.

[1913] I tell jokes that don't work.

[1914] I, you know, I fucking crash my charger a couple years ago.

[1915] Sometimes I wear bad outfits.

[1916] Sometimes, you know, it happens.

[1917] Yeah.

[1918] In the morning, I have bad acting.

[1919] breath.

[1920] I was not talking about it.

[1921] I think it's good.

[1922] Good.

[1923] I sound like Aaron's uncle.

[1924] They sound like Christopher Walken.

[1925] I'm not seven.

[1926] And I sure's hell ain't four.

[1927] I'm 74 years old, motherfucker.

[1928] Wow.

[1929] It's a really interesting accent.

[1930] It's almost Cajun, it's almost Southern.

[1931] Yeah.

[1932] It's almost Native American.

[1933] There's a lot.

[1934] Yeah, and he's a white gentleman with very long hair.

[1935] He looks like a biker.

[1936] Yeah.

[1937] I think it was six, though.

[1938] I'm not six, and I show his hell ain't four.

[1939] I'm 64 years old.

[1940] He is not to be confused with the person on the Ted Seeger's.

[1941] Can that's Aaron's dad.

[1942] Yeah, but his brother.

[1943] Aaron's dad's brother is this guy.

[1944] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1945] Also, Ted Seegers is in Los Angeles.

[1946] It's here in L .A. Yes.

[1947] Very exciting.

[1948] Yes.

[1949] Boison?

[1950] Is that how I pronounce it?

[1951] And I didn't know that until Laura posted it, which, like, I should have known that.

[1952] And I've been to that store.

[1953] You have?

[1954] Yeah, in the Valley.

[1955] It's a good store.

[1956] Any, yeah.

[1957] I bought wine there, not for me. Yeah, of course not.

[1958] But it's a beautiful store.

[1959] Yeah, yeah.

[1960] I was.

[1961] I'm like overly thrilled by it that you, if you live in LA, you could walk in there and buy a six -pack of Ted Seeger.

[1962] I mean, you should definitely go.

[1963] Okay.

[1964] And like, you know.

[1965] Take a picture?

[1966] Yeah.

[1967] Yeah, yeah, I should.

[1968] We've had a very busy week.

[1969] We have.

[1970] Yeah.

[1971] But it's no excuse.

[1972] It's not an excuse.

[1973] And it's a failing.

[1974] It's a failing on my end.

[1975] And talk about some writing I'm proud of.

[1976] Yeah.

[1977] Ted Seeger.

[1978] That weirdly is my favorite thing to write on.

[1979] It happens all the time.

[1980] Like, we'll have to write a deck.

[1981] We'll have to write a pick.

[1982] to a bar.

[1983] You know, I have to write some posters to celebrate St. Patrick's Day.

[1984] Yeah, fun.

[1985] They tell you what that one is?

[1986] No. Make sure you don't wake up next to a leprechaun, Ted Seeger's.

[1987] Oh, that's fun.

[1988] That's so funny.

[1989] I love it.

[1990] Great.

[1991] I like the image of waking up next to a leprickon.

[1992] Oh, my God.

[1993] So tiny.

[1994] Are they, they're tiny, right?

[1995] Yeah, they're a real miniature.

[1996] Yeah.

[1997] And they're at the ends of the rainbow there with a pot of gold.

[1998] They're rich.

[1999] Maybe you should wait.

[2000] up next to a leprechaum because they're rich it's just like inner species breeding's bad yeah sure that should be avoided unless it's a male no of yes a female human and a male dolphin that's the only one we've approved i have not approved that you keep the woman the woman wants to have a relationship i don't it's still not okay and the male dolphin is not a victim women can take advantage too i'm not going to of a male dolphin yes they'd fuck a pile of wood hoping there was a snake in there.

[2001] No. Dolphins are almost like humans.

[2002] Yeah, they're perverts like humans.

[2003] Humans without any of the societal pressure to not be perverts.

[2004] Yeah, they're gross.

[2005] They're so cute, and then they're not.

[2006] They're not really cute.

[2007] That's what's weird.

[2008] There was, well, they're very cute.

[2009] Everyone's decided, like, okay, we place them in the category of cute animals.

[2010] Flipper.

[2011] That's probably why.

[2012] Yeah, I guess.

[2013] It's just like when you really, Try to remove yourself from your programming about cute animals.

[2014] Yeah.

[2015] They're not.

[2016] And objectively look at that.

[2017] Well, no. Dolphins look like they're smiling.

[2018] The corners of their mouths kind of tilt up like they're smiling.

[2019] They're smiling because they're sickos.

[2020] You know, because they just blasted some human.

[2021] Exactly.

[2022] Some happy human.

[2023] Do smiling dolphin.

[2024] They're crazy cute.

[2025] But it's so hard to know what's what these days.

[2026] But remember there was the fucking video.

[2027] of the ones in a river in South America and the dolphin was on its back and do you remember this Rob?

[2028] And he was like, he was fucking, I think he was fucking a dead Anaconda or something.

[2029] It was so, I think I remember this.

[2030] You remember this?

[2031] Yeah, we talked about it on it.

[2032] Yes, it was so extreme, the horniness of this thing.

[2033] It was like trying to pump on an anaconda and its dong was hanging out and stuff.

[2034] Okay.

[2035] It was at full attention.

[2036] think there's absolutely no way you can look at this.

[2037] That little puppy, cute little Dalmatian.

[2038] And then think it's the same category as a...

[2039] It's a dolphin?

[2040] Dolphin.

[2041] I think dolphins are very cute.

[2042] Does it bother you?

[2043] This is a statue, this cute thing.

[2044] It did not look like a real dog to me. I was like, that's either AI or a product, and it was the latter.

[2045] Does it bother you when animals have those pink penises?

[2046] Yes.

[2047] Yeah.

[2048] Why is that?

[2049] It's like their insides are out or something.

[2050] Well, you mean the red rocket?

[2051] Yeah, like the dog's penis is very troubling.

[2052] Yes.

[2053] And then the dolphin penis is so troubling.

[2054] It's like pink and human skin.

[2055] Ugh.

[2056] Oh.

[2057] It's because they don't have control over it.

[2058] It feels like it feels dangerous.

[2059] It feels like the insides of their bodies are pouring out.

[2060] I want their penises to be that nice silver gray color that the rest of their body is.

[2061] Um, yeah.

[2062] That'd be preferred.

[2063] Our inside are different colors.

[2064] They are.

[2065] But a horse dick.

[2066] is very consistent with their belly skin.

[2067] Like a horse dick's still dark as hell.

[2068] But is that because there's hair all over it?

[2069] No, it's the skin itself is dark.

[2070] It's not like bright pink.

[2071] Well, what about white horses?

[2072] Oh, type in white horse penis.

[2073] No, I'm not.

[2074] Why?

[2075] I'm not.

[2076] Do you think the law will come and get you?

[2077] I don't know.

[2078] You're allowed to look at animal penises.

[2079] I don't think I want to see that.

[2080] You do.

[2081] It's not pink.

[2082] Stop, you're being.

[2083] A red rag.

[2084] It looks like at your skin.

[2085] It was like peeled off.

[2086] So just imagine your penis.

[2087] with its skin off.

[2088] Yes, it looks internal.

[2089] It looks like I'm looking inside the body.

[2090] It's dark, it's dark.

[2091] It's the white horse penis.

[2092] He's got a big dark penis.

[2093] So it's not the same color.

[2094] They have such enormous penises.

[2095] Ew, look at the, ew.

[2096] Actually, it's kind of pink again.

[2097] Yeah, see, it's pink.

[2098] They're all, ew, this one, I have a lot of memories of it.

[2099] This is very pink.

[2100] Is this another?

[2101] statue?

[2102] No, that's real.

[2103] What was the statue of a horse with his penis?

[2104] A lot of animals have pink dicks.

[2105] Yeah, it's weird.

[2106] Yeah.

[2107] I wanted to match the rest of their skin color.

[2108] But a lot of, I mean, I think, don't like white men's penises air on pinkish?

[2109] Like, they could be pink.

[2110] No, my penis is completely consistent with my normal skin color and then gets darker where the foreskin used to be.

[2111] Yeah, mine too.

[2112] But I've heard of people having miscolored pink.

[2113] You have in your travels.

[2114] Bobby Lee famously talks about his being like purple.

[2115] Oh, really?

[2116] Yeah, I've seen a pink one.

[2117] Oh.

[2118] I've seen a pink one.

[2119] Oh, really?

[2120] Yeah.

[2121] Like pink like a dog's?

[2122] That's red, I guess.

[2123] Like bright, kind of like brightish pink.

[2124] Oh, my goodness.

[2125] It's kind of cool.

[2126] Yeah, it's rare.

[2127] Yeah.

[2128] Limited dish.

[2129] Let's clean it up.

[2130] Yeah.

[2131] Sorry, guys.

[2132] Sorry.

[2133] Although, if you made it through this episode.

[2134] Sorry.

[2135] It's the right episode for this.

[2136] You're right.

[2137] But I'm sorry, Bill.

[2138] Oh, but this isn't his episode.

[2139] You know, but we were talking about it.

[2140] Okay, okay.

[2141] Oh, but there was something that came up during the Dolphin debate of 2024.

[2142] Okay.

[2143] Which was my daughter went on a field trip to the L .A. Zoo.

[2144] Oh, because I know, because I was saying, why do we think they're cute?

[2145] I think largely because of media.

[2146] So Flipper was a very popular show.

[2147] Right.

[2148] And so she went to the L .A. Zoo and they were tasked with, like, kind of, writing down a pros and cons of like the experience of the animals I guess like whether it was a good or bad thing or if it's ethical which is great let's have the debate interesting yeah and of course my knee jerk is to get nervous that everything's so lefty yeah you are very nervous about that I am I mean look they go to a very very liberal school which is which I like but what I was nervous about is just that like zoos would be bad because like everything's bad needs to stop.

[2149] And so I was trying to explain to her the history of the orca, the killer whale, which was like, there was no hunting regulations on killer whales.

[2150] There was no protection, you know, governmental or otherwise until SeaWorld.

[2151] SeaWorld, which is, you know, blackfish, if you've seen that, of course, it's, it's, I'm not arguing, it's not terrible for the orca that's at SeaWorld.

[2152] But also what is undeniable is that Shammu changed the, you image of the orca.

[2153] Prior to that, there was no appetite to get any regulations to protect these animals.

[2154] And then America fell in love with Shamu.

[2155] Right.

[2156] And then we get all this legislation to prevent them from being hunted.

[2157] Yeah.

[2158] So, you know, it's just very utilitarian argument.

[2159] It's like, yeah, it's not great to keep, not even, it's not great.

[2160] It's bad to keep an orca in a swimming pool.

[2161] It's terrible.

[2162] Yeah, it's terrible.

[2163] But if the orca suffering in the swimming pool saved all orcas that's a compelling um but no because then i want to go see chamo and i want to go to more water parks like this that have captive animals and when there's a business around it it's going to make more and more capture but what i'm saying is without shamu they would have been still the killer whale we would have not fallen in love with them and seen that they're cute and smart so there would have been no legislation they probably would have been hunted to extend extinction.

[2164] So like Shamu saved, I think most people would agree with this even in the zoological world.

[2165] Shamu saved the orca.

[2166] So that's like a, that's a relevant part of the whole thing.

[2167] And so what's weird is like a zoo, clearly not how an elephant should be living.

[2168] Elephant's supposed to walk hundreds of miles a day.

[2169] It's a migratory animal.

[2170] It's heartbreaking that they would be in there.

[2171] But if people don't see those animals, they also tend to not care.

[2172] And they don't.

[2173] vote for legislation and they don't donate money and try to save animals so it's like it's weird that there might be a sacrificial lot that is ultimately better for the whole population that's you know it's a minimally it's a complicated situation it's not just is it good or bad to have zoos it's like you need the will of the people to protect them and you need them to have experienced them and know they're real and care about them so it's like it's you know it's complicated sure yeah I guess you could argue though Like if I was if I was listening to me right now This is the argument I would mount That is probably true up until the you know Even into the 60s and 70s But now you have animal planet In nature shows so kids do see and fall in love with animals We don't necessarily need them in the zoo I don't think there should be any more zoos no Well here's another thing You could also make a democracy argument, which is like 99 % of Americans, 99 .9 % are never going to have the resources to see any of these majestic animals in their real life.

[2174] Like for the kid from the inner city, they're not going to go and see any of these animals.

[2175] If they don't get to see them at the zoo, they'll never be able to see that kind of animal.

[2176] But that's okay.

[2177] Yeah.

[2178] And that's actually, to me, the problem is it's like, this is an opportunity for people to see them.

[2179] It's just going to spur on more and more business around it, which is going to cause more and more of these animals that should not be in these environments, to be in these environments.

[2180] And it's a, that's a problem to make a business out of like, well, let's just be clear.

[2181] If it were super profitable to start up zoos, yeah, I think that would be an issue.

[2182] But all these zoos are municipalities.

[2183] SeaWorld?

[2184] Not Sea World, not Sea World, not Sea.

[2185] But I'm saying.

[2186] The LA Zoo, the San Diego Zoo, these are all city owned and they lose money.

[2187] And they're there to let children get to see these animals.

[2188] Yeah, I don't think it's a right I don't think it's a human right To like get to be able to see those animals I don't think it's a right I don't think it's more important For a human to be able to see it Than I don't even an animal person But I don't think it's more imperative For a human to be able to see an animal Than for that animal to be able to exist in its environment Yeah So Jake We said he has been in 75 movies According to his IMDB seven seven plus five 12 12 no no of course not well you never know there's some actors that have been in like a really shockingly slim number of movies as an actor it says 61 okay now do you know staff infection is spelled s TAPH I just learned it hmm well I I know I don't know that I don't know that.

[2189] New information.

[2190] St .APH.

[2191] It's short for Stephanie.

[2192] Yeah.

[2193] A name that used to be popular.

[2194] Before staff infection.

[2195] That's right.

[2196] That's why we haven't heard of it in a long time.

[2197] Staff infections are caused by staphaloccus bacteria.

[2198] Very common in hospitals, right?

[2199] Yeah, and very common on the wrestling mat, which we use wrestling mats for cheerleading.

[2200] Right.

[2201] And so we were always like how to be really careful about staff infection.

[2202] Really?

[2203] Yeah.

[2204] Oh, wow.

[2205] The wrestlers like had it and it was gross.

[2206] We had to wipe, we had to wipe.

[2207] How do you know you guys were tainting those?

[2208] We didn't have it.

[2209] We're clean, hot and clean.

[2210] Cheerleaders are hot and clean.

[2211] Actually.

[2212] That is not true.

[2213] Yes, it is.

[2214] Okay.

[2215] It's true.

[2216] Ooh, it says often found on the skin or in the nose.

[2217] Is it not a bit of an.

[2218] umbrella term.

[2219] Is there a bunch of different kinds of staff infections?

[2220] I don't think it's a big umbrella.

[2221] I don't think so.

[2222] I mean, maybe.

[2223] Is this always the same exact?

[2224] No, there's, oh, there's like Mercer.

[2225] That's a type of staff.

[2226] So yeah.

[2227] There's, I guess.

[2228] There's different strains.

[2229] Yeah, there we go.

[2230] Yeah.

[2231] Strings.

[2232] But boils, blisters.

[2233] That'll come from a staff invasion.

[2234] It can cause food poisoning.

[2235] Oh.

[2236] That doesn't make sense, but that's what it says.

[2237] Okay.

[2238] It says in rare cases, it can turn deadly if the bacteria invade deeper into the body or under the bloodstream, resulting in fever, joint, and muscle pain.

[2239] I feel like I had it.

[2240] I wonder if I've ever had it.

[2241] You would know.

[2242] You'd have to take an antibiotic for it.

[2243] You know, I always think this.

[2244] Like, once in a blue moon, I'll have to take an antibiotic because, like, I'll have surgery.

[2245] And then I do wonder in those times, like, am I knocking out some stuff I didn't even know I had?

[2246] Like, I almost think, I mean, there's a big campaign to not take antibiotics because then you get super bugs.

[2247] Right.

[2248] Let's shelve that for half a second.

[2249] Sure.

[2250] It also kills your microbiome.

[2251] Yeah, it's not good for you.

[2252] But fuck all that, table all that.

[2253] Okay.

[2254] Just every four years, just do a cycle to make sure in case you got some staff or this or that.

[2255] Like, nothing's like, you know, accumulating.

[2256] Okay.

[2257] I don't think that's good advice.

[2258] Okay.

[2259] I guess I'm grateful when I, I never want to take one.

[2260] And I'm also the type of person that when they're prescribed, I generally don't take them.

[2261] But I do, of course, for surgeries.

[2262] You have to.

[2263] Yeah, you must.

[2264] But when I have to take them, I think.

[2265] Oh, this is good.

[2266] In case I have any other kind of infection.

[2267] I'm fine taking them.

[2268] Yeah, you like them.

[2269] Apparently pneumonia is a type of staph infection.

[2270] And like food poisoning, boil.

[2271] That's what I just said.

[2272] Yeah, yeah, there's a whole bunch.

[2273] Boils are, those are just, those are the symptoms.

[2274] The skin one of TSS.

[2275] I'm glad I haven't had a boil.

[2276] No shade to anyone that's got boils.

[2277] But that just, the word, it's one of the, It's one of these diseases like Peronis, which I have, so I can make fun of that one.

[2278] Sure.

[2279] Where they didn't do the disease any favors by naming it, boil.

[2280] I agree.

[2281] It's like your skin's boiling.

[2282] Well, it is.

[2283] Yes, I know it's like a descriptor.

[2284] Impet.

[2285] Remember impet?

[2286] I thought it was called, oh my God, I'm learning.

[2287] What if they named diarrhea, yuck, stinky yuck.

[2288] I kind of prefer it.

[2289] You would.

[2290] I mean, diarrhea is a horrible word.

[2291] It's a horrible word.

[2292] Back to ding, ding, ding.

[2293] We love when Bill Gates has to say it, because it's, Sounds, exactly, even though this isn't Phil's.

[2294] I know, but he shouldn't have to say that word ever.

[2295] But in the documentary, he had to say it so many times.

[2296] He has to say it a lot because he disseminated the rotovirus vaccine and saved all these people.

[2297] Okay, I always thought it was Infantigo.

[2298] Impentago.

[2299] It's impetigo.

[2300] Impetigo.

[2301] Oh, my God.

[2302] This is new information.

[2303] I hate to tell you why I know that.

[2304] You had it.

[2305] As a kid.

[2306] Impetigo.

[2307] I had impetago.

[2308] on my nose.

[2309] And it was assumed, I don't know why anyone knew this, but it was assumed I got it swimming in my grandparents' motel pool.

[2310] Sick.

[2311] Yep.

[2312] Is that a kind of staff infection?

[2313] You've had a staff infection.

[2314] Oh, wow.

[2315] Then I did.

[2316] Impantago.

[2317] No, impetigo.

[2318] Okay.

[2319] And I thought it was infantigo.

[2320] Infantigo.

[2321] Yeah, and I thought it was infantigo.

[2322] you thought it was impetago impetigo oh my god now I can't remember what I thought it was impen tigo yeah when I was a kid I had impentigo that's how it sounds ever tell you about my impetago I haven't bro oh fuck grab a beer dude yeah I totally you know my grandma's at a motel right on the highway oh god I lived in it man and I got fucking impantago it sounds Italian Did it hurt?

[2323] Yeah, I got like a scab on my nose.

[2324] Do you remember it?

[2325] Yeah, I actually do.

[2326] I hated it.

[2327] I was like, why don't I have a scab on my nose?

[2328] I didn't scrape it.

[2329] Or maybe I scraped it on the side of the pool and then I got Impantago.

[2330] I don't know.

[2331] But fuck.

[2332] It was embarrassing.

[2333] And it was a gross one.

[2334] It was.

[2335] I think my brother was grossed out.

[2336] Well, yeah, they're fluid -filled blisters or sores and they leave a yellow or brown crust.

[2337] Fuck, yeah.

[2338] And the family knew.

[2339] I knew it was gross.

[2340] I knew I had a gross.

[2341] Family news.

[2342] And I didn't do anything wrong.

[2343] I went swimming.

[2344] I was just a little boy.

[2345] It wasn't like I was with a prostitute or anything.

[2346] Or doing drugs.

[2347] If you're with a prostitute, it's good.

[2348] It's good for you.

[2349] No judgments.

[2350] And if you get impetigo.

[2351] It's great.

[2352] It's gorgeous.

[2353] Oh my God.

[2354] So you took antibiotics for that.

[2355] I don't remember that part.

[2356] I remember my grandmother's scraping this scab off my nose.

[2357] I know, yeah.

[2358] And then adding, like, alcohol or rubbing or fucking.

[2359] Oh, she messed it all up.

[2360] It's lucky I don't have a humongous scar.

[2361] And maybe I do.

[2362] No, you, I think we.

[2363] You never saw this scar on my nose, bro?

[2364] Yeah, from my infant I go.

[2365] Did I tell you about that?

[2366] Grab a beer.

[2367] Grab a beer.

[2368] Light up.

[2369] Let's talk.

[2370] Okay, well, I want to stop talking about this.

[2371] Infantago.

[2372] Yeah.

[2373] That is nice, though.

[2374] You had an acorn.

[2375] I did.

[2376] You thought it was Infantigo.

[2377] Because you thought, what, infants got it?

[2378] I think.

[2379] Yeah.

[2380] And I wasn't, I was not an infant, but I was not, I was still a boy.

[2381] How old were you?

[2382] Probably eight.

[2383] Oh.

[2384] White hair and scabs on my nose.

[2385] Too many freckles.

[2386] Smelt like shit, had diarrhea.

[2387] You did?

[2388] No, I just trying to paint it really bad.

[2389] You probably did from the infant I go.

[2390] I never ever really had it when I was a kid.

[2391] I mean, I did occasionally when I had the flu.

[2392] Of course you did.

[2393] You just don't remember it.

[2394] there's no way oh wait i wonder i developed like a gluten allergy and didn't know it i told you that like when i stopped actually eating gluten we used to talk about it all the time i i had a lucy goosey several times a week yeah and i have not i have not had it in like two years yes you have what are you talking about your diarrhea so i know you have it more than i've maybe had it once or twice in two years.

[2395] Well, it's been shocking.

[2396] The number's gone down.

[2397] By 99 .9%.

[2398] Where I had just thought my intestinal fortitude and disposition was that, that created that.

[2399] Yeah.

[2400] No, it was gluten.

[2401] I don't want to, I'm mad about that.

[2402] Of course.

[2403] I am too.

[2404] I want you to eat pizzas.

[2405] Tim Tams.

[2406] Tim Tams and lasagna.

[2407] Oh, yeah, Big Macs.

[2408] I was talking with Lincoln about Big Macs yesterday.

[2409] I was saying deathbed.

[2410] I might have two or three.

[2411] Then I was telling her this funny thing where at some point Chris and I had the same Postmates account.

[2412] We only had one account in the households for whatever reason.

[2413] And when she would go out of town, this happened a couple times where she was out of town.

[2414] And then we were talking and she said, who'd you have over for dinner last night?

[2415] And I go, I didn't have anyone over for dinner.

[2416] She's like, you clearly had someone over for dinner.

[2417] You spent $33 at McDonald's.

[2418] Oh.

[2419] And you've got two Big Mac value meals and a 20 -piece nuggets.

[2420] And that was for me. All for you.

[2421] Occasionally if she would travel, I'd put the kids to bed and I'd go, let's go.

[2422] And I would get the two full meals with the extra sauce and the extra cheese and a 20 -piece nuggets.

[2423] And I'd sit in front of the TV at my old house.

[2424] Would you eat at all?

[2425] Yeah, I'd get hired.

[2426] Really?

[2427] Yeah.

[2428] So I was saying it might be my deathbed meal because I won't ever have to pay the price.

[2429] Yeah, that's true.

[2430] Of the gluten.

[2431] It's weird, because, like, you're much bigger than me. Yeah.

[2432] But your stomach can't be that much bigger than mine.

[2433] It can't be.

[2434] You're right.

[2435] Like, how I could never do that.

[2436] And not because I wouldn't want to, but I physically would not be able to.

[2437] But I am virtually to exercise, weight -wise.

[2438] But I wouldn't be able to eat.

[2439] You could eat a Big Mac value meal.

[2440] And 10 nuggets.

[2441] Yeah, if you wanted to get high.

[2442] It would be very hard.

[2443] Yeah.

[2444] That's not hard for me at all.

[2445] Well, of course, that's not.

[2446] That would make sense to me. No, no, the order I get.

[2447] Really?

[2448] The two value meals and the 20 piece, that's not hard at all.

[2449] How much?

[2450] I'm loving it down to the last nugget.

[2451] I mean, but I guess it's, maybe it's all, I don't know, because like I could eat a whole pizza.

[2452] Exactly.

[2453] It's like, what are your Achilles?

[2454] Hmm.

[2455] But you could baby eat three whole pizzas?

[2456] Two.

[2457] I could eat two.

[2458] I always ate a whole pizza on my own when I still ate pizza.

[2459] Yeah.

[2460] I'd always order my own.

[2461] And then I would get into other people's as they didn't finish.

[2462] I want pizza.

[2463] What I can really go down crazy?

[2464] Have you ever seen me eat chili dogs?

[2465] Coney Islands.

[2466] I've been with you once, but I don't remember.

[2467] I'll eat six or eight.

[2468] Wow.

[2469] Yeah.

[2470] And I used to go with my friend Tim Lovestead to Sizzler, and we would have chicken wing eating contests.

[2471] And I'd eat like 28 of those wins.

[2472] Okay, that's like a different thing.

[2473] You're right, you're right.

[2474] I'm just thinking about like average.

[2475] Yeah, not to win anything just to make yourself happy.

[2476] And yeah, I would eat a whole and a half pizza for sure.

[2477] I'm having a pizza tonight.

[2478] I'm so jealous.

[2479] Domino's?

[2480] Maybe.

[2481] Extra sauce, Escher cheese?

[2482] Esser crispy.

[2483] Thin and crispy?

[2484] Thin and crispy?

[2485] It's a good pie.

[2486] It's two really good free commercials we just did.

[2487] I know.

[2488] Okay, and for impontago.

[2489] Yes.

[2490] Also, if you're the proprietor of an impetigo dispensary, you're...

[2491] In antibiotics, turns out we're pro.

[2492] Yeah.

[2493] Which...

[2494] You're not supposed to be, but we are.

[2495] Not supposed to be.

[2496] Okay.

[2497] Patrick Swayzee, yes.

[2498] He did gymnastics.

[2499] He did swimming.

[2500] He did football.

[2501] He was offered an athletic and dance scholarship.

[2502] Yeah, I think he did ballet, too.

[2503] Yeah.

[2504] Well, dance.

[2505] Yeah.

[2506] San, oh, he enrolled in San Jacinto.

[2507] How are you spelling that?

[2508] J -A -C -I -N -T -O.

[2509] San Wakinto.

[2510] San Wakinto.

[2511] You think so?

[2512] I do.

[2513] With the C?

[2514] Yeah.

[2515] Huh, wouldn't it be, oh, maybe.

[2516] I think it's San Wakinto.

[2517] You're lying.

[2518] No, I'm not.

[2519] I really believe that.

[2520] You just made a smiley face.

[2521] Well, because it sounds ridiculous, and I'm saying San Wokinto with such confidence.

[2522] But Rob's going to let us.

[2523] Yeah.

[2524] Here we go.

[2525] Hasinto.

[2526] Hasinto.

[2527] What?

[2528] You were talking to...

[2529] We're looking at how to pronounce this name as well as I have to say more interesting, but sometimes confusing...

[2530] Pause it.

[2531] How does it?

[2532] Pause, pause, pause.

[2533] Everything he's saying already sounds wrong.

[2534] So how are we going to trust this?

[2535] You pick a different one?

[2536] No, but he said...

[2537] It was the way he pronounced the J. And the next thing...

[2538] Better allergy relief.

[2539] Hasinto.

[2540] Hasinto.

[2541] Hasinto.

[2542] Hasinto.

[2543] Oh, my gosh.

[2544] This is awful.

[2545] I don't think that was very helpful.

[2546] No, it is though, because I read that as I said, it's either San Jacinto or San Jacinto and that is what he's saying, Hacinto.

[2547] He's saying Hacinto.

[2548] San Joaquinto.

[2549] So San Joaquinto.

[2550] He's saying, no. Hands he's saying.

[2551] No. Keep it fun.

[2552] It's so fun.

[2553] I want to finish the sentence.

[2554] Houston, Texas where he focused on gymnastics.

[2555] Hymnastics.

[2556] What if that was a way to like But if that was a way to like Butch it up for boys I thought it was too effeminate They call it hymnastics I don't do gymnastics I do gymnastics This is such a ding ding ding ding What we just fell into is such a ding ding ding Okay We went to the Roadhouse premiere Yes After we recorded this episode We went to the Roadhouse premiere you moderated a panel afterwards.

[2557] With all the actors.

[2558] With the actors, yeah.

[2559] And before you went up there, you said, I'm going to say, I'm going to introduce him as Yake Yelenhall.

[2560] Yay, thank you.

[2561] I've been begging to say it for a week.

[2562] I said, don't do that.

[2563] And he said, I'm going to.

[2564] And then you did.

[2565] And everyone laughed.

[2566] And then you tried to get me to say it for a while and I didn't.

[2567] But now it's sort of like San Jacinto.

[2568] Yes.

[2569] Or gymnastics.

[2570] Hypnastics.

[2571] Yank Yillenhall.

[2572] It's just so fun to say.

[2573] Did you have fun just now when you said it?

[2574] Um, no. Rob, are you willing to say it?

[2575] I like Yake Yelan Hall.

[2576] Yeah.

[2577] Like, it's a big shock to get Rob to say, Yeak Yillen Hall.

[2578] That's not the point.

[2579] I just want to know if he enjoyed saying it.

[2580] Because it feels good to me to go, Yake Yillen Hall.

[2581] Well, I said it.

[2582] You heard it?

[2583] Thank you.

[2584] That was for you.

[2585] That was January 2nd.

[2586] You got that covered now.

[2587] You don't have to give me a present next year.

[2588] Um, okay, he said UFC is the fourth biggest sport.

[2589] He said it's bigger than hockey or...

[2590] He did say that.

[2591] The only thing that would make that hard to measure is, yeah, which is relevant, but I would just imagine the, their hurdle would be frequency.

[2592] Like, there's 62 or 78 hockey games a year.

[2593] How many are there, Rob?

[2594] Think of 80.

[2595] 80.

[2596] So you're like, you're multiplying 50 teams times 80 games.

[2597] for the viewership.

[2598] So it's kind of...

[2599] But maybe it just means attendance or single event viewing is bigger.

[2600] I don't know how you'd quantify that.

[2601] But there's UFC fight nights that aren't pay -per -view and...

[2602] That are on weekly?

[2603] Yeah, I think they're weekly.

[2604] Just on any given night, aren't there 20 hockey games on?

[2605] Yeah, yeah, there's 82 games a season and...

[2606] How many teams?

[2607] A lot of teams.

[2608] 30 teams?

[2609] Yeah.

[2610] I mean, I can't look it up because last time we looked it up, remember, you didn't agree with it.

[2611] Hockey was weird in the list.

[2612] Which one?

[2613] Remember I did a list Oh, worldwide, yes, and like, oh, it was because lawn hockey was on there.

[2614] Field hockey.

[2615] Something was off.

[2616] Is that field hockey was like the third biggest sport in the world?

[2617] Yeah, I mean.

[2618] And we did just meet an Australian who played field hockey in high school.

[2619] Yeah, and I also heard about somebody else who did that.

[2620] Okay, five most popular sports in the world based on global participation in viewership include soccer.

[2621] Number one.

[2622] Basketball, cricket, tennis, and field hockey.

[2623] it's here again different so yeah talk about being in a bubble i mean i have i can't even picture what that looks like and they're saying this is the fifth most popular and then a different one is saying soccer cricket field hockey tennis volleyball um no NFL yeah these are worldwide no i know i know i know no no i know i think his claim was for america but what i said I misled you just now.

[2624] I do think you can count the viewers that are outside of the U .S. for the most popular U .S. sport.

[2625] That's what I meant.

[2626] Like if, like, say, nobody's watching hockey internationally, but UFC is global, but it's a sport in America.

[2627] So I do think you should count those viewers.

[2628] That's what I meant about worldwide.

[2629] Says most popular team sports in the U .S. are American football.

[2630] Well, team.

[2631] It's not a team sport.

[2632] Oh.

[2633] Yeah.

[2634] Okay.

[2635] Okay.

[2636] Most popular sport.

[2637] Well, that's biggest sports in the U .S. Individual sports.

[2638] I mean, it's different.

[2639] Individual sports, golf, sure, boxing.

[2640] I don't think boxing is bigger than UFC.

[2641] I don't know what to tell you.

[2642] Not anymore.

[2643] I don't think it is.

[2644] Yeah, I don't know.

[2645] That's what it says on Wikipedia.

[2646] I know.

[2647] I accept what you're reading to me. I don't accept that boxing is bigger than UFC, despite the claim on Wikipedia.

[2648] I know that's frustrating.

[2649] It sure is.

[2650] Yeah.

[2651] Do you want from statistics and data .org?

[2652] Oh, that's a kind of one.

[2653] It's an org.

[2654] It's a good one.

[2655] What's it?

[2656] Yeah.

[2657] So football, number one, then basketball, baseball, boxing, hockey, soccer.

[2658] Do you think they're counting UFC in boxing?

[2659] MMA is here at 16 .7%.

[2660] What's that place at number seven or eight?

[2661] Eight.

[2662] Well, I think it's hard to because those pay -per -view, like certain pay -view events for UFC are huge.

[2663] Yeah, I think that will pass viewership for like any given NFL game.

[2664] Is it viewership or is it money?

[2665] Or is it attendance?

[2666] There's probably a lot of ways to measure it.

[2667] Yeah, I mean, according to top end sports, one is motorsports.

[2668] Well, NASCAR.

[2669] Two tennis, three golf, four wrestling, five skiing.

[2670] Yeah, if you went attendance, NASCAR, I can.

[2671] There's like...

[2672] It's too complicated.

[2673] There is because there's multiple.

[2674] games on a football Sunday, but I just want to point out, there are races where there's 250 ,000 fans.

[2675] Okay, well, this according, this is to, for Pew.

[2676] Oh, is someone plus that way?

[2677] What's America's sport?

[2678] Far more U .S. adults say football than anything else.

[2679] Okay, percent of U .S. adults who say blank is America sport.

[2680] That's kind of an interesting way of looking at it.

[2681] I mean, there's just one metric, I guess.

[2682] Football is far and above.

[2683] Mm -hmm.

[2684] Then baseball, basketball, soccer, auto racing, then hockey, and then something else.

[2685] Something else.

[2686] Well, baseball used to be America's pastime, right?

[2687] And it was like an official slogan.

[2688] Baseball, Chevrolet's apple pie.

[2689] That's right.

[2690] Honda.

[2691] Impantago.

[2692] Ew, what?

[2693] I...

[2694] Puse.

[2695] Who has ImPentego?

[2696] Puse.

[2697] Oh, who's impentega?

[2698] It's not impetago.

[2699] That's what I called.

[2700] And I've had it.

[2701] This is kind of like, I'm an ethnicity.

[2702] Oh, my God.

[2703] Yeah, this is a very rare situation.

[2704] Oh, no, no one would prefer that.

[2705] Sounds horrible.

[2706] More than impetigo.

[2707] No, it's impetigo.

[2708] Impatio.

[2709] Fuck, some of plethora.

[2710] Stop.

[2711] This guy has plethora.

[2712] Stop.

[2713] Teggo all over his.

[2714] Head to toe.

[2715] Had to taggo.

[2716] This is what happens.

[2717] It's probably already obvious to the listener, but fuck have we had a long week.

[2718] We've been a long week, and this is the finish line.

[2719] Okay, he says the quote, I'll make you so much money, you could swim in it.

[2720] That's from Rocky Five.

[2721] He loved his Rocky movies.

[2722] Yeah, he would.

[2723] Mm -hmm.

[2724] Of course.

[2725] I was just going to open up the door.

[2726] I'm fine, I will.

[2727] Ass cheeks clenching.

[2728] Yeah.

[2729] Because that's the whole thing.

[2730] with Swayze in the movie.

[2731] And like, is it hot?

[2732] Not really.

[2733] Did you watch the scene?

[2734] No, I just mean, yeah, we've watched it on here.

[2735] Oh, I just meant like, have you touched, yeah, to see if you like it.

[2736] I haven't rewatched it in a minute, but you've played it a lot.

[2737] Uh -huh, yeah.

[2738] I mean, I don't, I don't think so.

[2739] The butt looks better unclenched, is my vote.

[2740] Exactly.

[2741] Me too.

[2742] And I wonder why he did that, because it's kind of like it's kind of like he was trying to squeeze in a fart it didn't read as that to me because he was alone by himself in a room so he would have just let it go no sometimes i hold him in by yourself oh my god here we go buns of steel let's see are they allowed to show it on um on youtube they are of course buns there's cue and on okay oh she looks oh there is someone else they have like slowed down they're missing the end of that scene.

[2743] There's a clench as he puts his pants on.

[2744] Fuck, I hope I'm not imagining the clinch.

[2745] Oh, no. Oh, my God, let's see.

[2746] Well, I don't think you're going to be able to see.

[2747] I'm going to have to put the film in tonight.

[2748] That's what I'm going to do.

[2749] Perfect excuse to rewatch.

[2750] His butt looks great, though.

[2751] There's no two ways about that.

[2752] It's like it's clenched, though, when he's walking.

[2753] Yeah, it does.

[2754] I think he's clenching it.

[2755] Yeah, he's clenching it while he walks.

[2756] So is that what you mean?

[2757] Maybe.

[2758] I need to watch the film.

[2759] I want to put a pin in this.

[2760] It does look clenched.

[2761] Yeah, it is clenched.

[2762] It looks smooth.

[2763] It doesn't.

[2764] It looks like a fart is trying to come out and he's desperate to keep it in.

[2765] I can see that.

[2766] It looks like he's just like trying to hold it.

[2767] That woman's in there and he's ashamed.

[2768] I just, I hope no one thinks they should go try that for sexiness.

[2769] Cautionary tail, armchair anonymous, right in.

[2770] If you've clenched your butt cheeks to impress a lover.

[2771] And it did not.

[2772] And it backfired.

[2773] And then you backfired.

[2774] Yeah.

[2775] Because there was a backfire.

[2776] So you were unable to hold it in.

[2777] Ah.

[2778] Anyway, I'm just saying, and it looks like we all agree.

[2779] Clenching is not as sexy as you'd think.

[2780] Unclenched.

[2781] Unclenched is a way to go.

[2782] The fuller.

[2783] It looks the better.

[2784] Because it gets kind of concave when you clench.

[2785] Right.

[2786] And we like convex.

[2787] But people might like it because then it looks a little more muscular.

[2788] Yeah, but I think.

[2789] it's like a peck flex yeah well they do it in bodybuilding and it's really the grossest part of bodybuilding because it looks like two roast beefs back there it's not that muscle doesn't look good clenched it looks like a big two big roast beefs you know what i hate is when people refer to vaginal lips as roast beef curtains you do i'm not surprised it's not fun it's not cute i don't like that okay well i'm I'm surprised you even know that.

[2790] Of course I know that.

[2791] I didn't just wake up out of a cave.

[2792] I didn't just fall off the turnip cart.

[2793] Is that a phrase?

[2794] Yeah.

[2795] Is that what it means?

[2796] That means you're new to town.

[2797] Oh.

[2798] I think.

[2799] I fell off the turnip cart.

[2800] Yeah, they just fell off the turnip cart.

[2801] I thought falling off the turnip cart meant like your truck.

[2802] Turnup truck.

[2803] There's probably a cart before it was a truck.

[2804] I thought falling off the wagon is an addiction thing.

[2805] Not, not, yeah, not maintaining your sobriety.

[2806] What does it say, Rob?

[2807] Yeah, country bumpkin, hill, or country redneck.

[2808] Who's basically jumped a truck to get into town.

[2809] Yeah.

[2810] And what's the exact phrase?

[2811] Fall off a turn -up truck.

[2812] Huh.

[2813] You never heard that.

[2814] But you know, roast beef curtains.

[2815] Yeah.

[2816] I haven't heard it either.

[2817] Turnup truck?

[2818] Yeah.

[2819] Oh.

[2820] I'm showing my age, I guess.

[2821] It might be, it's like that quiz we took where it tells you where you're from.

[2822] Regional.

[2823] Yeah, it could be regional.

[2824] Totally.

[2825] In the 70s thing as well.

[2826] Oh.

[2827] Yeah, I'm from the 7th.

[2828] These clench, curtains, and pentago.

[2829] All right, love you.

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