LIVE: Peter Krause

[0] Mother, mother, there's too many of you crying.

[1] Oh, brother, brother, there's far too many of you dying.

[2] Absolutely.

[3] Say it again.

[4] Uh.

[5] He's an odd child.

[6] Feels like I'm going to lose my mind.

[7] You just keep on pushing my mind.

[8] Over the borderline You take me feel this way He's an arched like a fool I went and stayed too long Now I'm back and my love's still strong Sides seal delivered I'm everything is all right I'll be the one to tuck you in at night And if you want to leave I can guarantee you won't find us But me, sweet love Shame I'm in love It'll always be this way Forget about the rhythm of the night Dancing till the morning light Forget about the worries on your mind You can leave them all behind I want you to Rock the bow Rock the bow, rock the bow I want you to work the middle I work the middle I work the middle I want you to change position I want you to stroke it for me, stroke it for me, stroke.

[9] That's very, very sexual.

[10] When there's something strange, yeah, in the neighborhood, who can you call?

[11] Something weird and the don't look good.

[12] Who you're gonna call?

[13] He's an untray, is lifting me higher, so keep it up.

[14] quenching my desire at your side forever bow wow wow yippy yo yippie bow wow yippio yippie yo yippie yeah uh atomic atomic like that old it just soos a suddenness about the days of what you want baby I've got it what you need my papa said son you're gonna drive me to drinking if you don't stop driving that hot rod Lincoln.

[15] Here's one that came out of Detroit just a few months ago.

[16] Oopsies, oopsies, oopsie, oopsie, oopsies, oopsie, oopsie, oopsies, oopsies, oopsie.

[17] He's an option.

[18] Yo, you got one shot, one opportunity, would you capture it?

[19] Just let it go.

[20] He's an armchair expert.

[21] He's an old chair expert.

[22] He's an archer expert.

[23] You guys, this is an incredibly surreal experience for me to have come here my whole life, seen shows, seeing people up here, and to come back and to be here, and that all you guys came and supported me, it's so overwhelming.

[24] I thank you so much.

[25] Okay.

[26] I have many fun surprises this evening.

[27] The first of which, I have never really desired to win an award like, you know, an Emmy or anything.

[28] I don't, but I have long fantasized about winning solely to do a single thing and that single thing I'm going to do tonight.

[29] I am standing here for one reason.

[30] I met somebody when I was 11.

[31] Up to the point that I met this person, I was convinced, oh, there's a version of you that really isn't suitable for this world.

[32] No one really should be exposed to it.

[33] And then I met this kid, Aaron Weekly, this kid who, for the first time in my whole life, made me feel like I was exactly perfect how I was.

[34] And he gave me all the confidence that I then took towards the rest of my life.

[35] I don't meet Aaron Weekly.

[36] I am, I don't know what I'm doing, but I'm not here.

[37] This person I connected with on such a level, a cellular level, as I've said.

[38] I've never felt closer to a human being.

[39] I was allowed to be weak around him.

[40] I was allowed to be brave around him.

[41] I was allowed to be affectionate with him.

[42] All the male approval I ever desired I got from him.

[43] He's the most important person in my life.

[44] Please put it together for Aaron Wheatley.

[45] I love you.

[46] That was miserable for him.

[47] Thank you so much for being a part of that.

[48] Okay, brought another special guest.

[49] She is so miniature, but she's so maximum.

[50] So, Monica, what you don't understand about the relevance of everyone being here tonight is that they basically committed a mortal sin in Michigan, and they're not at Bob Seeger.

[51] So just you guys...

[52] Thank you.

[53] I was really relieved to see Bob play some Bob Seeger.

[54] Yeah, so they got a little bit of the concert in.

[55] It would be a riot.

[56] We have a couple thank yous.

[57] We do have a couple thank yous.

[58] Yes.

[59] Lazy boy is a lovely supporter of ours.

[60] They give us furniture in every city.

[61] And then we donate it to...

[62] Society of St. Vincent DePaul.

[63] Okay.

[64] Thank you.

[65] This is going to them.

[66] Another thank you we want to give is the lovely kind folks at Chrysler who make the Pacifica the...

[67] Yes?

[68] Yes.

[69] Yes, we love that ride.

[70] We are tooling around this great nation and three Pacificas and life has never been better.

[71] We know it's a good car when Dax will drive it here in Detroit in car country.

[72] Yeah.

[73] And feel proud of it.

[74] Yeah, very proud.

[75] Proud.

[76] Earlier today I wrapped myself up, Nudens and Brooke Lennons got behind the wheel and just let it rip.

[77] Okay, so asking someone to fly here from Los Angeles, it's a long flight.

[78] Yes.

[79] So I just want everyone to recognize what a lovely human being this was that he said, yeah, yeah, I'll do that.

[80] Yeah.

[81] You guys probably know him as from six feet under.

[82] You probably know him from 9 -1 -1.

[83] Most importantly, hopefully you know him as my older brother on Parenthood.

[84] Adam Braverman, aka Peter Kroza.

[85] Before he sits down, because it might get lost.

[86] It might get lost when he sits down.

[87] Is anyone here prepared to accept that he is not on steroids?

[88] Are you kidding me?

[89] Look at these fucking pipes.

[90] Oh my goodness, they barely fit in the Pacifica.

[91] Ha.

[92] This is my first podcast.

[93] Ever.

[94] Welcome.

[95] You're breaking your podcast arm cherry tonight.

[96] You said it's my homecoming.

[97] I was like, I can't resist it.

[98] I wanted it to be special.

[99] And you're one of the most special people I've ever worked with, and I adore you and I'm going to celebrate the shit out of you for the next 90 minutes so welcome the fuck up now you and I met I guess now 10 years ago we shot the pilot of parenthood and I knew you as Nate obviously from six feet under and it was such a specific character right like you smoked weed and you jogged a lot and every girl you met you had sex with Isn't that roughly what your character was?

[100] Basically.

[101] Kind of like Crosby.

[102] Yeah, exactly.

[103] I had to pass the baton.

[104] Oh, wow.

[105] Peter pointed that out a couple different times.

[106] He said, I'm a little jealous watching you play Nate on this show.

[107] But when we met, I had met that version of you on TV.

[108] And then I was meeting you in real life and I was trying to kind of figure out like, who is this guy?

[109] You drove a pickup truck?

[110] I'm like, okay.

[111] He likes utility.

[112] Uh -huh.

[113] Maybe he works on things.

[114] Maybe he's got a big dog.

[115] He doesn't want to ride in the cap.

[116] Could have been any of those things.

[117] And then you're playing, and I'll say this delicately, a fucking nerd on the show.

[118] Like Adam Braverman only had colored shirts and tucked in tight, right?

[119] He just wanted to be the best husband, the best father, the best brother, the best son he could be.

[120] Is that nerdy?

[121] No. Nerdy's hot.

[122] Well, I've come to find out it's cool.

[123] Yeah, it's cool and hot.

[124] Again, this is 10 years ago.

[125] I was 32.

[126] You were 31.

[127] It was a gear shift for sure from 6 feet under to parenthood.

[128] Yeah.

[129] And then I can only assume it's worse from your side because you're like, this guy's on a reality show where he dances around naked in front of Jessica Alba.

[130] That's who I'm about to work with.

[131] Well, I had met your mother.

[132] Yes, Lordeau, who everyone here probably knows.

[133] Before meeting you.

[134] I had done a movie called We don't live here anymore, which you probably...

[135] We're selling the DVDs in the lobby.

[136] Yeah.

[137] Pick one up, guys.

[138] It was in Sundance, and so I got a ride to the airport from this woman.

[139] It was very friendly, very warm.

[140] It seemed like she was probably an excellent mother.

[141] Attractive.

[142] And she said, you probably know my son, Dax.

[143] Oh, it's so embarrassing.

[144] And cute.

[145] So cute.

[146] And I said, I don't, but I said that is a very unusual name.

[147] and so when I met you your reputation had preceded you not by what you'd done but by your mother I would prefer that she were the thing that preceded me at all times for introductions but what's really crazy about that and so much of this is going to come full circle several of the people in this audience were at Sundance for that whole thing I just want to illustrate what kind of person Peter Krause is that was four years before I met you probably yeah three four years and he said to me, I met your mother Laura.

[148] You remembered her name.

[149] What kind of psychopath is this kind?

[150] That he would remember in that situation, someone you're hopping in a car, they're going to drive you somewhere.

[151] And I thought, wow, you're a much better person than I am.

[152] And that turned out to be true over the course of the next seven years.

[153] I'm not true.

[154] Regularly astounded with your character.

[155] But, okay, we do this pilot together.

[156] I don't know from your perspective, but for me it was a very, very special experience right out of the gates.

[157] Agreed.

[158] I think it was the first time I had entered a scenario where my ego was somewhat manageable in that I was very happy to take a backseat to you or Craig T. Nelson or Lauren, although she wasn't on the pilot.

[159] I just, I was maybe the healthiest mentally I've ever been for a situation like that.

[160] where I was like, oh, cool, I just get to be a part of these people who are really incredibly talented, and I'm shocked I'm even here with you guys.

[161] Yeah.

[162] And so what was your kind of...

[163] Well, I came into it.

[164] I had done a show for two years called Dirty Sexy Money, which originally was not called Dirty Sexy Money.

[165] It was a good show for those of you who saw it.

[166] But it was originally called The Darling's, and it was meant to be a satire of wealthy American families.

[167] Bloomfield Hill People.

[168] And the first season, that had just been canceled, and I got a phone call from Tommy Shlami, who directed the pilot, and then also from a woman named Nora O 'Brien, who worked at NBC.

[169] It was a wonderful experience to start.

[170] We had a great table read, and when Craig T. Nelson walked in the room and looked at us all, you could just kind of tell, like, this was going to be a good time.

[171] Yeah.

[172] But during the shooting of the pilot of Parenthood, Nora O 'Brien, with whom I'd worked previously, and she was like the best type of person to be a network head because her belief was that she worked for the audience.

[173] She didn't work for NBC, whatever.

[174] That was her, her viewpoint.

[175] And the first time I met her, I was doing a miniseries in New Mexico.

[176] And she came up to me and she said, I have an AVM like Nate on 16 feet under.

[177] So really quick on 6 feet under, your character died ultimately at the end.

[178] Spoiler alert.

[179] Yeah, he had an arterial venous malformation in his brain, which basically led to an aneurism.

[180] Like aneurism.

[181] Yeah, like an aneurism.

[182] And anyway, Nora had had this procedure where they basically, you know, open your skull and they go in and they kind of seal this thing off to try and keep it from exploding, basically.

[183] So while we were filming the pilot there in San Francisco, she was shooting baskets.

[184] And somebody passed her the ball and she wasn't looking and hit her in the head.

[185] and Craig was in the middle of telling me some stories about when he was having some substance abuse problems.

[186] They've heard them.

[187] Craig's Nelson's Coke stories are so good, yeah.

[188] And somebody started screaming medic, and we thought that, you know, somebody had fallen off a rig or something like that, and then I heard somebody screaming Nora.

[189] And so then Craig and I took off down there and she was lying on the basketball court.

[190] And unfortunately, during the filming of Parenthood, Nora passed away right in front of us on the basketball court.

[191] But it was an interesting period in my life because I had a challenging relationship with my son's mother.

[192] I was splitting my time between Sonoma and L .A., and this incident with Nora passing away, I was just like, what am I doing with my life?

[193] I mean, first, you know, it was just the shock of seeing my friend, just exit.

[194] Yeah, I wasn't in that scene, so I wasn't working that night, but I heard, but I had only met her for five seconds at the table read.

[195] And I think I was probably just more in a gossipy nature, like, oh, my God, I heard, blah, blah, blah, you know.

[196] And then when I started talking you, I realized, oh, you have a relationship with this person.

[197] I need to shift gears and recognize like, oh, this is, yeah, it was a very hard moment in the shooting of it, right?

[198] We had a couple more days to shoot, and I was, I couldn't feel the ground beneath me when I was walking.

[199] It was just unbelievable to me that that happened.

[200] But just to jump ahead, it was when we came to reshoot the pilot with, like, Lauren back in L .A. So really quick, what people might not know is that originally Mora Turney played something Braverman, whatever our names were.

[201] Sarah.

[202] Sarah.

[203] I don't even know my own name.

[204] Sarah Braverman.

[205] Your lovely real -life girlfriend.

[206] Replaced Lauren, who we adore.

[207] But Mora, after the pilot, and she had done an incredible job.

[208] I thought she was excellent in the pilot.

[209] She then got breast cancer diagnosed.

[210] So she had to drop out of the show, and then Lauren came in.

[211] and took over the role and we had to reshoot a third of the pilot or whatever.

[212] But it was the scene that we shot in the swimming pool.

[213] Do you remember this?

[214] Oh, yes, yes, yes.

[215] I mean, you had some nice dives off of the high dive there.

[216] I did a triple indie, yeah.

[217] But it was that particular scene.

[218] I had that little click.

[219] I was like, we're going the distance.

[220] The moment I remember from that pool is when you're shooting generally, especially on that show, because there's so many of us, you're wearing a wireless microphone and then you have this big battery pack that you have generally on your belt.

[221] And we were in the swimming pool and Craig T. was about to tell me one of his raunchy stories.

[222] And he goes, well, I got to Thailand.

[223] Are you miced?

[224] I like looked and I was like, oh, of course we're in a swimming pool.

[225] I'm not fucking miked.

[226] That was wonderful.

[227] Now, you're from down the road.

[228] Like, what's funny is Peter came today and I drove them all around our beautiful suburbs and I'm very, very proud to be from here.

[229] It's such a great, I don't say that in a pandering way.

[230] I feel like I was so lucky to be born here and raised here.

[231] And I'm just driving around showing them to the lakes and everything and these crazy houses.

[232] And I took him to Cranbrook and he's like, how could this be a school?

[233] And I'm like, I don't know either.

[234] My sister somehow went here and I didn't.

[235] So you said, well, I guess we never came here because if you're from Minnesota, why would you come here?

[236] same thing.

[237] I was like, it's a very solid point.

[238] Just on the western end of the Great Lakes, lakes, lakes, pine trees, deciduous trees, you know.

[239] Yeah.

[240] Low cloud ceiling, thunderstorms, nice people.

[241] Yeah.

[242] I will say, no one has ever lived up to the stereotype more than you as far as Minnesota.

[243] As much as I'm proud to be from here, much better people in Minnesota, by a long shot.

[244] You live up to that.

[245] Now, you didn't grow up in St. Paul, right?

[246] You grew up kind of out on the outskirts?

[247] Well, I was born in Alexandria, Minnesota, which is a quiet lake town up north.

[248] And then my parents actually moved to Detroit Lakes, Minnesota.

[249] Oh, serendipitous.

[250] Where I lived until I was almost four years old, and then we lived in his cousin Kathy's house in Minneapolis until we moved to the house, which we just sold a year ago, 27, 26 here on street in Roseville, Minnesota, right next to St. Paul.

[251] It's an inner ring suburb.

[252] So it's a middle, middle class, lower middle class.

[253] You know, working class suburb.

[254] Yeah.

[255] And dad has a really unique distinction of having been drafted twice.

[256] Yep.

[257] Both in World War II and in Korea.

[258] Yeah.

[259] So I can never live up to my dad.

[260] My dad grew up in a farm in southern Minnesota in a town called Smith's Mill.

[261] He grew up without electricity or indoor plumbing until he was 16.

[262] And then when he was 18, he was in an army uniform on a troop ship heading to Germany to occupy Germany.

[263] dad was lucky he was born in 1927 he just missed having to go over there and face any action he came back was going to college and he got drafted again for career that seems impossible i feel like you should be one and done on that that was his lot in life and you know there's some interesting correspondence which my cousin jeff who lives in idaho um dug up and one of them was about because he grew up on a farm and he had a dog and a gun and helped with chores before school and walk to school and all these things that he was not a big fan of that the military, even though he had to go in twice.

[264] He did not think that that was a natural way for a man, as he put it in this letter.

[265] He was writing back to his parents.

[266] You know, this is not a natural way for a man to be, which was kind of fascinating to me to see my dad's regard for, you know, what are we doing?

[267] This was not my choice.

[268] Yeah.

[269] And, you know, I've gone to therapy and, like, you know, you're most happy when you are in choice, when you're choosing what you're doing in life.

[270] And so these two times where my father was basically tapped, you know, and said, like, all right, go do that.

[271] Do you have any sense, though, of what his personality was like and or his mental health prior to going?

[272] Well, I mean, I found out some interesting things about my dad before he passed away.

[273] So he had a couple sisters that passed away in his youth.

[274] Before he was born, his sister Pearl died at a very young age.

[275] And after Pearl died, I found out just in the last years of my dad's life that his father had his father had, him stay in a crib or a bed in the room with his mom and dad until he was five, which I didn't know until way later.

[276] Wow.

[277] Because I think my grandfather was like, we're not going to lose this one.

[278] Right.

[279] And then when my dad was 12, his older sister May died at 16.

[280] Oh, my goodness.

[281] And, you know, he was no stranger to, you know, with the animals on the farm, seeing birth and death and all that stuff.

[282] And he kind of had a, I don't know, kind of a natural way of looking at the thing.

[283] the world and I think he was a pretty happy guy.

[284] He spoke very romantically about going to the dance hall and he really liked it when they had a live band and they didn't have to play the phonograph and the kids would get together a dance and you know he worked at a three two joint would they only could serve three two beer.

[285] Oh like Utah all these all these yeah you ever try to get drunk in Utah not possible.

[286] Um you know after that time I I make the joke sometimes that shortly after I was born he checked himself into a mental hospital but I don't know what happened during the military years or whatever, but, you know, he was a social worker, and we were living up in Lake Country, and whatever was going on with him, he needed to check out for a little while.

[287] And that was when I was really, really young.

[288] Right.

[289] So you don't have any memory of that, obviously.

[290] I just remember my mom taking me into the closet and, like, showing me his shoes and letting me put my feet in his shoes and things like that.

[291] But my mom for a couple of yours is pretty much alone.

[292] My dad, we'd take the train from up north down into the city and see my dad.

[293] And, you know, I still have a, it's funny, I have this little leather wallet that he made when he was in the mental hospital and I have it on a shelf in my place up in Sonoma.

[294] And one day, Lord said, what is this?

[295] Do we have to have this here?

[296] I was like, yes.

[297] Yes, we do.

[298] You'll be going before that old piece of leather goes, hon. And I explained to her what it was and what it meant to me. And she said, okay, we'll leave her.

[299] right there.

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[304] You and I have had a, we came to find out we have a lot of parallels that I enjoy having with you.

[305] I don't know if you feel the same, but...

[306] I do.

[307] Okay, good.

[308] And I've talked about them a ton on here.

[309] And there's a lot of people here.

[310] There's someone here that dated my dad.

[311] Oh, wow.

[312] I recognize, yeah.

[313] Edy, my favorite girlfriend my dad ever had.

[314] Edy.

[315] Yeah.

[316] We both had really complicated father's son relationships.

[317] Yes.

[318] One thing, and this isn't based so much to my dad, but there were a lot of drunks around when I was a kid, and there was a lot of stepdad's, and there was a lot of violence, and you learn to really observe.

[319] where people are at in their temperament, right, at all times.

[320] You get kind of really good at reading, I think, people's temperament and what's ahead.

[321] And you have that, yeah?

[322] Yeah, so my dad, you know, he was pretty volatile, and you never knew when it was coming.

[323] This was not like living at the household where you get, you know, I'm thinking about like Saturday night fever where, remember when Travolta gets his head, like, he's like, like, yeah, I spend a lot of time on my hair.

[324] He just keeps sitting his head.

[325] Oh, you're doing, dad.

[326] Yeah.

[327] That was not my dad.

[328] Yeah.

[329] I can't remember what it was, but there was some evening.

[330] some bickering at the table and all of a sudden my dad stood up with a plate full of spaghetti and it was like it was happening in slow motion but i just remember this plate soaring across the kitchen hitting the cupboard and i i remember thinking to myself using words i thought that's what a plate of spaghetti smashing it against a wall looks like but everybody just shuts down right you know it's real quiet yeah he does what he has to do storms out we go back to eat it's very theatrical isn't it yeah like I've never acted that way in front of my family but I do fantasize about really just blowing my lid one day whirling dervish style around the kitchen smash and shit it seems kind of cathartic and liberating doesn't it it does but when you grow up around it and you don't really understand it you just think if you're upset enough that's okay right right so there was a time when we were driving in the car and my sister and I were in the backseat causing a ruckus.

[331] And when we got home, you know, I'm going to knock your heads together to knock some sense into you, you know?

[332] Amy and I look at each other like, what?

[333] First of all, I don't think that's going to work.

[334] Yeah, yeah.

[335] Not to get technical to dad.

[336] Similarly, it all happened in slow motion where we're there, we get home, and sure enough, dad grabs us.

[337] And I remember seeing my sister's face just slowly coming at me. And like, here it comes.

[338] Like, boom.

[339] And did you think, this is what it looks like to smash into my sister's face.

[340] Exactly.

[341] All of a sudden it got real blurry, you know.

[342] It's so funny.

[343] You saying that reminds me my dad took us on a ski trip to Traverse City.

[344] And for some reason, yeah, Traverse City, Cherry Festival.

[345] We love it.

[346] Someone, you know, someone wasn't driving up to his high standards.

[347] Yep.

[348] And my stepmom, Tammy, was driving.

[349] And he's like, pull up, pull up next to this motherfucker.

[350] Super snowy roads.

[351] What?

[352] Pull up to this motherfucker.

[353] Go around this motherfucker.

[354] My dad was not a small man. He was like 300 pounds.

[355] He hung his entire body out the window of the car in the winter on snowy roads.

[356] He's screaming, you stupid fuck, you stupid fuck, fucker!

[357] Well, Tammy's like almost losing control of the fucking car.

[358] And my brother and I aren't just in the backseat.

[359] Like, yeah, this is how we will one day carry ourselves when we get older.

[360] Oh, boy.

[361] Yeah, indeed.

[362] there were a few incidents where my, by the way, you love your dad too.

[363] I love my dad so much.

[364] And like I said earlier, I can't live up to his lifetime.

[365] And, you know, it's just a funny thing growing up with the toughest guy in the room.

[366] You know, like, yeah.

[367] He loved his kids.

[368] He was a great family man. We were at a Vikings game.

[369] This is the old stadium outside.

[370] There were some college students in front of us who were drinking.

[371] And then there was a family next to them.

[372] And that dad was taking exception to the fact that these college students were drinking.

[373] and they were getting into a little bicker session.

[374] And my dad didn't like it because he wanted to watch the game.

[375] Oh, boy.

[376] And so all of a sudden, my dad stands up and says, and looming, looming over these people.

[377] He's like, you all shut the fuck up, bro, kick all your asses.

[378] That was my dad.

[379] We just kind of looked to mom and she shuts down, you know.

[380] Yeah, that's what I was.

[381] going to ask, did you ever feel like, hey, mom, you're going to do something about this?

[382] This loose cannon in?

[383] Or not really.

[384] You felt like it was beyond, above her pay grade.

[385] Well, my mom in public would never do anything because of the social situation.

[386] But at home, she kind of had his number.

[387] She'd withhold oral.

[388] Oh, my God.

[389] I'm so sorry.

[390] You had to take it there.

[391] You had to take it there.

[392] We were all thinking it.

[393] You didn't have to say it out loud.

[394] She had a couple things that she could do.

[395] And she's Norwegian, right?

[396] Oh.

[397] Proud.

[398] Bill, we're done talking about it.

[399] We're done.

[400] It's over.

[401] She'd do that.

[402] And then if she had to pull out the heavy artillery, it would be this.

[403] You're acting like a baby.

[404] And then?

[405] Going back, so my mother's father supported our family while my dad was in the mental hospital.

[406] So there was a certain love and support he felt from her family.

[407] And she was beautiful, beautiful woman who kind and sweet.

[408] And I mean, my dad was too, but where he was loud and abrasive, she was just sweet and positive.

[409] And she would lie to you if she thought that there might be something that, you know, was true that would hurt your feelings.

[410] That was her thing.

[411] Like, better to lie than hurt somebody's feelings.

[412] Right.

[413] That was my mom.

[414] Of course you're tall enough to play center on the basketball time, Peter.

[415] Exactly.

[416] So, but when she'd call him a baby, he just...

[417] Uh -oh.

[418] Red and just so hurt, but he had no comeback.

[419] Right.

[420] And you just storm out of the room.

[421] It's a pretty judo move because anything you then do, you'll seem even more baby -like.

[422] Exactly.

[423] You'll just confirm the theory that was just set down.

[424] Yeah.

[425] So now, I'm curious, there's something I know about you that I find very...

[426] bizarre in a great way, which is while all the kids were choosing to pursue basketball and baseball and football, you were like, you know what my sport is?

[427] Gymnastics.

[428] I didn't know that.

[429] Oh, my gosh.

[430] There was a photo on the set at Parenthood of Young Peter in, what do we call the outfits that Jim is...

[431] Leotard?

[432] I think you, right?

[433] No, it's not a leotard.

[434] Singlet?

[435] It's a singlet.

[436] A singlet.

[437] Well, that's a wrestling singlet, but I guess we just, I don't know what it was.

[438] but tights and then you had the tank top.

[439] It was a leotard.

[440] When you go to buy them, they're identical to the unseen leotards is a different sign.

[441] They're next to the leotards.

[442] In the leotard section.

[443] Manufactured on the same line as the leotards.

[444] And labeled leotard.

[445] But there was a picture of young Peter Krausa in eighth grade, I believe.

[446] You were 14, and you had these fucking heavy weaponry guns.

[447] Big, big, bulging biceps.

[448] in eighth grade.

[449] No one had biceps in my school like the ones you had from gymnastics.

[450] Well, I got into gymnastics because I wanted to be a pole vaulter.

[451] I saw pull vaulting in the Olympics on TV.

[452] And my dad was the baseball, basketball, football guy.

[453] So I wanted to do something different than him.

[454] And it just so happened that when I was in high school, our high school coach, there were two great coaches, Mark Curley, who's a fantastic pommel horse gymnast.

[455] And then Fred Kiefer, who had gone to the University of Minnesota incredibly strong for a while he held the world record in handstand pushups and that was the guy who would train us what was that number yeah in the hundreds oh my goodness I can't do a single handstand pushup amazing guy wrote his bicycle to work in Minnesota even in the winter oh wow taught calculus uh -huh and was the gymnastics coach when I learned that you were a gymnast I don't think I thought of it until recently but I I chose a very specific path, which is I decided in elementary school, I'm just not going to be on the traveling soccer team.

[456] I'm not going to date Amy.

[457] I'm going to have to pick a different route.

[458] Is Amy here?

[459] I imagine Amy is.

[460] She's an armchair.

[461] Trevor Robinson's girlfriend.

[462] I was so jealous.

[463] Trevor was a bona fide ten, and so was Amy, and they were in love forever.

[464] They dated like four years of elementary schools.

[465] Wow.

[466] Vomitous.

[467] But when I got into junior you're high.

[468] I remember making a conscious decision.

[469] I'm like, I'm going punk rock, I'm going skateboard, fuck all this other stuff, I'm not going to be embraced by the big accepted thing.

[470] Did you dye your hair?

[471] Did you have a mohawk, that sort of stuff?

[472] What I had, Peter, is what we would call a mullet.

[473] It was about two feet long and back, shaved on the sides, long bangs, and a spike on top.

[474] Nice.

[475] Yeah.

[476] Yeah.

[477] You know like a Davy Crockett hat?

[478] It looked like I perpetually had one of those on, but with bangs.

[479] Aaron Weekly would come over in the morning.

[480] I would style his hair for him with a can of extra strong aquanette.

[481] And then like 70 fucking ounce can.

[482] Just with a hair dryer.

[483] I was so good at it.

[484] Anyways.

[485] But did you have that thing like idea where I was like, I reject you so you can't reject me?

[486] I mean, not exactly.

[487] Damn it.

[488] But I think it was small.

[489] So I remember there was a day when I was a sophomore in high school and we were in Joanne Smyshek's English class.

[490] Peter's fucking memory for people's names is, again, psychopathic.

[491] And Todd Sether said, hey, everybody, let's turn our chairs around.

[492] So when she comes back in, we're all facing the other way.

[493] So they all did, and I didn't.

[494] Savage prank.

[495] I know, I know.

[496] And Todd was like, dude, what are you doing?

[497] You got to turn around.

[498] It'll be hysterical.

[499] And I said, Todd, it's a lot fun.

[500] If one person doesn't.

[501] Ooh.

[502] Nice twist.

[503] Good punch -up.

[504] So they were all facing the other way, and I sat there like I was the star pupil with my hands folded on the desk.

[505] And Miss Mischette came in, and she had a big laugh.

[506] She had to laugh.

[507] Yeah.

[508] But I would do little stuff like that, maybe, but I was not, didn't have any spiky hair or anything like that.

[509] Were you popular, for lack of a better term?

[510] I guess so.

[511] You're handsome as all get out.

[512] So you had that home for you.

[513] I was the student speaker at our graduation.

[514] So that says a lot.

[515] My two best friends from high school, Jeff McGuire, was our valedictorian, and he went to Harvard.

[516] And then my buddy Mike Judy, who was a basketball player, he went to MIT, who's an electrical engineer.

[517] And then I went to Gustavus Adolphus College in Minnesota.

[518] Yes.

[519] Now, a lot of people don't realize that Gustavus has there was...

[520] It's got Adolf in the name for crying out loud, right?

[521] Unfortunately.

[522] openly thought out loud about this.

[523] You know, they had these Coors commercials for a while.

[524] Do you remember these?

[525] Not too long ago.

[526] A few years back.

[527] And they were like trying to get you nostalgic about the history of Coors.

[528] And they're like, Adolf Coors III came down from the Rockies and decided, we must tap these Rockies and created Coors beer.

[529] And I'm like, um, Adolf Coors.

[530] Let's just call them A -Cors or go by the middle name.

[531] So Gustav Adolf was the king of Sweden.

[532] and they thought if they just latinized his name and built a college, it'd be like, Daxus Shepardis College.

[533] Daxomis Shepardis.

[534] Yeah.

[535] So you went to this really esteemed college.

[536] The Harvard of the Midwest.

[537] The Harvard of the Lake Country.

[538] And while you were there, you studied English, yeah?

[539] I did.

[540] I started out pre -med.

[541] I didn't know what I wanted to do, so I thought, well, I guess my parents will be happy if I'm a doctor.

[542] Yeah, most are.

[543] I worked really hard.

[544] I was getting a B plus in calculus when I dropped it.

[545] And the professor said, you've got to stay in.

[546] You're getting a B plus.

[547] And I said, I can't stand it.

[548] You know, I'm working so hard.

[549] I don't have any time to drink beer and chase girls.

[550] Right.

[551] But I wound up with an English major, but I started doing theater.

[552] I did one play in high school, but didn't really enjoy it.

[553] And then my sophomore year, my buddy Matt Baldwin, said, hey, let's go audition for this play.

[554] Yeah.

[555] And it was Story Theater by Paul Sills, which he took a bunch of fairy tales.

[556] and they politicized them in the 1960s as anti -war protests.

[557] So I got a part, he didn't, didn't speak to me for a while.

[558] Sure.

[559] And then there were two great professors at that college, and I did American Buffalo, we did Carol Churchill's Cloud Nine, we did Lycestrida.

[560] It was Carol Churchill's Cloud Nine, which kind of sealed the deal for me. In the first act, I play a woman in the 1800s, and the second act I play a gay guy in London.

[561] It's all about gender roles and how we understand who we are.

[562] Cynthia Goatley, the theater professor, had us read Kate Millett's Sexual Politics at the time, time and I'm very interested in how we understand who we are, who we think we are, what society wants us to be, and unearthing who you really are.

[563] And I found that that particular play and that particular experience really led to introspection, also understanding the people around you and like, what program are they operating on and do they want to be, do they not want to be, what struggles are they having with the world that they're in?

[564] Well, also, I'm imagining you are probably drawn to, and again, this is this other parallel that I love is that you and I we like our secret time.

[565] Go on.

[566] Yes.

[567] Sunday I flew to New York to do a bunch of press this week.

[568] I got to that hotel room and my first thought was just no one's looking.

[569] It's time to do whatever the fuck I want.

[570] And it's just this visceral volcano that starts burbling.

[571] I mean, I don't know what I'm going to do.

[572] I'm monogamous and sober, but in my mind, I'm like, I might go watch them at least buy heroin in the park.

[573] I might.

[574] I don't know.

[575] I just, I'm like, ooh, I'm alone.

[576] It's so visceral because I was both blessed and cursed with a mother who really loved the shit out of me. And she had really high hopes for me. And I'm grateful for it.

[577] But also it came with the burden of I wanted to live up to her hopes for me. There was just a lot of weight to that.

[578] And so I had this weird dualistic life where in high school was getting good grades, but then she'd go out of town and we'd throw ragers at the house.

[579] And, you know, there was two different versions of me. One that was walking the walk and the other that was going bat shit as soon as I got out of sight of anyone else.

[580] Yes.

[581] Yes.

[582] Like what's funny is I got here last night, Peter had already been at the hotel for a while.

[583] And I called him and I was like, well, I want to make sure he's doing okay.

[584] and he's flown all the way here.

[585] I wanted, like, if he wants to get a bite to eat or whatever.

[586] I knew half when I called him, like, he's in heaven.

[587] He's getting weird in his Brooklyn in sheets.

[588] It's fucking Peter Krause at time.

[589] He doesn't need me. But I just needed to check in and make sure that was happening.

[590] And, in fact, you were deep in Peter Krause at time, right?

[591] So one of the great things about growing up in the Midwest is that you've got a basement.

[592] That's where you can let it hang out.

[593] And you can go down in that basement.

[594] And when you're little, you know, you can go down there and you can fantasize and I could get away from my big sister and my little brother and all these things.

[595] And so I definitely enjoyed having a fantasy life of my own as a kid in a small three -bedroom, one bath house.

[596] My brother and I shared a room since the day he was born.

[597] And the basement was dank, moldy basement.

[598] That was my refuge.

[599] My grandpa, Papa Bob kept the playboys down there.

[600] So I found my way down there quite often.

[601] Now, we had a neighbor for a little while because my parents played cards.

[602] They played poker and bridge.

[603] My dad was a very good card player.

[604] And the neighbors, they'd go back and forth and play cards, but the neighbors were younger.

[605] They were kind of hippies.

[606] And there was a closet in that house and there was pornography in there.

[607] Delicious.

[608] Sometimes, if I went over to that house and the parents got busy with the neighbors talking, I could go into that room.

[609] Sure, a little mission.

[610] And open that closet and look at that pornography.

[611] That tasty pornography.

[612] I feel so, do you ever feel bad for kids these days that it's like, hmm, I'm horny, boom, I'm watching sex.

[613] Fuck that.

[614] I was on a treasure hunt.

[615] It was like, were they?

[616] Yeah.

[617] Where did I hide that playboy?

[618] I smuggled in my d d home from Papa Bob's house.

[619] I hit it so well I can't remember.

[620] You know, it was a journey.

[621] It was a commitment.

[622] You earned it.

[623] You fucking earned those.

[624] Say it.

[625] Double D. Fat Natchies.

[626] Just say it.

[627] what was your duality?

[628] What was, what do you think the cause of that was?

[629] Well, I have, I have a lot of them, but, you know, both my parents have passed away, and it wasn't until they, they passed away that I understood how much I was still trying to impress them.

[630] Right.

[631] That when it's taken away, it didn't matter as much to me how well I was doing in my career or how I could help them or how I could help my siblings or anything like that.

[632] It didn't matter as much.

[633] And so there's It's been a recalibration the last couple of years.

[634] My mother just a little less than two years ago passed away.

[635] And, like, it's been weird.

[636] Yeah.

[637] When it's taken away, and I know you've lost your father, so you kind of get it.

[638] Like, that audience of your parents is really important.

[639] Yeah.

[640] In terms of the duality, for me, it was when I was in high school.

[641] I had something happen.

[642] It was like a chakra opening or something when suddenly my mind was on fire, and I was questioning everything around me, everything I read, everything anybody said.

[643] I was having a difficult time sleeping.

[644] all the constructs, all the definitions that I saw before me, it was like a Salvador dolly painting melting clock faces.

[645] It was like, I don't know if I can believe anything.

[646] Yeah.

[647] And I was watching everybody go around in their program doing their thing and my mom made us go to church every week.

[648] And so, you know.

[649] Yeah, I too was kind of obsessed at that age of like, hmm, which of these rules are we really supposed to be following?

[650] Like, what is the penalty if I don't do this or if I don't go to college or I don't?

[651] Like, I just, yeah, I was really.

[652] really preoccupied with like, really all these constructs we've got to buy into?

[653] I don't know if I'm, when did you start smoking pot?

[654] I don't know what you're talking about, Dax.

[655] I'm just going to be honest.

[656] So the first time I tried pot, I was in junior high, was on a ski trip.

[657] And I swear to you, when I came back to my shoe basket, you know, I returned all my rental equipment.

[658] I was not at the wrong shoe basket.

[659] I had a, you know, a relatively new pair of a deep.

[660] They were white with blue stripes, and they were gone.

[661] So we didn't have a lot of money.

[662] I was terrified to go home without my shoes.

[663] I looked around, I asked whatever, no shoes.

[664] So I'm walking to the bus in the three pairs of socks that I have.

[665] I just put them all on, you know, and like walk to the bus.

[666] And I get on this bus, and there's this ninth grader there.

[667] Ninth grade bus only, get off.

[668] And Cindy Mitchell was there, and she's like, oh, let him on.

[669] his shoes were stolen.

[670] Ninth grade bus only, get off.

[671] There's a little stone.

[672] I'm like, bum, bum, all right.

[673] I get off.

[674] And I got to walk another, whatever it is, 200 feet to the next bus.

[675] I get on, go home.

[676] But that was the first time I tried pot.

[677] And because I think I lost my shoes and had this experience where I had to go home and, like, tell my dad I lost my shoes, I didn't smoke pot again until I was in college.

[678] Oh, really?

[679] Because you were just terrified you'd lose your shoes.

[680] Well, I was a jock.

[681] Guys, I'd love to, suck on that doobie with you, but I just got these feelas.

[682] I don't think it's worth it.

[683] Yeah, I'll smoke weed.

[684] Then what's next?

[685] We try to get on a bus.

[686] They don't let us on.

[687] I'll pass.

[688] Then in college, my roommate, Corey Peterson, you know, we both took a lot of biology courses, and he wound up with a bio major, I think.

[689] And anyway, he grew some weed up in the skylight in this apartment we had on Main Street in St. Peter, Minnesota.

[690] And he had pulled them down and they were in the kitchen.

[691] We had this really cool railroad -style apartment, just one room after the next.

[692] And my aunt and uncle had come to see this play, and they were there in the kitchen.

[693] And I was just thinking, oh, please, please, please don't see those.

[694] And my parents are there, too.

[695] And on the way out, my uncle Howard looks and says, hey, those are marijuana plants.

[696] And my roommate Corey says, those are false arralias.

[697] he played the scientific card on him yeah yeah now listen you end up going to NYU and you get a master's degree in acting and then guys I've known Peter now for 10 years and I found out something about him yesterday that just blew my mind it was so exciting you graduate I'm sure there's many events before that in this but this motherfucker was on Beverly Hills 90210.

[698] Oh, right?

[699] Donna Martin graduates.

[700] Unfortunately, you weren't in that episode, but...

[701] One episode?

[702] I did three episodes, I think, yeah.

[703] And he was dating...

[704] Who was the 45 -year -old on the show?

[705] Oh, Andrea Something?

[706] Yes, Andrea Something.

[707] Wait, you dated her on the show or in real life.

[708] On the show.

[709] No, we'll see.

[710] And in real life?

[711] Maybe.

[712] Can I tell you the best part of who he played?

[713] Yeah.

[714] They were in love, but they had a big, big issue.

[715] She was very liberal, and he was a conservative.

[716] Oh, wow, that is a big issue.

[717] And she said, I heard conservatives are bad in bed.

[718] Am I getting it right?

[719] Well, it's 902 .1, so it might not.

[720] Surprisingly, Dax, I haven't watched this episode quite some time.

[721] I recommend it.

[722] Did you watch it?

[723] I was in Newark for six and a half hours yesterday.

[724] My plane was delayed, and I watched the hell out of it.

[725] I think I watched it four times in a row.

[726] Wow.

[727] She's like, well, I heard conservatives are bad in bed, and he's like, you want to find out.

[728] And they stood up inside their restaurant, and they just started making out all sloppy.

[729] Oh.

[730] And then they, like, finish, and she's like, oh, I was wrong or whatever.

[731] It was hot as hell.

[732] That's really hot.

[733] Crossing the aisle.

[734] Bringing the country together.

[735] That's what we need right now.

[736] We need some steamy Democrat Republican lovemaking.

[737] That's right.

[738] They call that hate fucking.

[739] Were you in the peach pit?

[740] I was in the peach pit.

[741] Wow.

[742] Now, unfortunately, I'm assuming you weren't a gigantic fan of the show like I was because you were in your 20s.

[743] Well, I'd just come from doing a year with Carol Burnett on a little -known show called Carol & Company back in 1990, and she is awesome.

[744] You loved her.

[745] loved her yeah and no ego i mean i'm sure there is some but like not evident she's a she's a truly lovely human being i can't say enough nice things about her we had a very interesting experience i don't want to be a downer i feel like i'm telling a lot of downer stories am i that's okay we all right this show's often sad right guys when my son was born in los angeles i was going to pick him up at the hospital and bring him and his mother home and when the elevator doors opened as i was going up to get them Carol Burnett walked out.

[746] We hadn't seen each other for a while and I was doing six feet under and she was watching and she was very effusive about the show and she asked me what I was doing at the hospital and I said, well, I just had a child.

[747] I'm picking up my son.

[748] She gave me a big embrace and was gone.

[749] And I found out a couple weeks later she was there visiting her daughter Carrie who then passed away.

[750] But honestly, I can't tell you Carol Burnett is just a fantastic human being.

[751] She was awesome.

[752] I had gone from working with her to 9 or 2 -1 -0, I think was maybe my next gig, I'm not quite sure.

[753] And from no ego to like a couple of those people were like We're on Beverly 9 -2 -0.

[754] Yeah, yeah.

[755] They deserved it.

[756] Couldn't agree more.

[757] So you do that and that's just exciting for me. I just wanted to mention that.

[758] But you do a string of things.

[759] You were also Monica, do you know this?

[760] Guys, guys, guys, buckle up.

[761] He was on Friends.

[762] What?

[763] Wait.

[764] Nope, that's wrong.

[765] He was not on friends.

[766] Thank you.

[767] Sike.

[768] Get out of my city.

[769] Go.

[770] What a mean thing to do to me. I thought he was on friends.

[771] You weren't on friends.

[772] Never.

[773] Did you read that?

[774] Fucking Wikipedia.

[775] Stupid Wikipedia.

[776] Screwed again by Wikipedia.

[777] Damn it, you weren't on friends.

[778] I was not on friends, but there was a character on Will and Grace that was based on me when I was doing a show called, if not for you.

[779] I shared a double.

[780] banger, for those of you who don't know, that's a trailer with two rooms, with two writers, Rob Lauderstine and the lovely and late Ellen Eidelson, and I would chum around with them.

[781] They were writers on Carolina in the city.

[782] Rob is gay, Ellen straight.

[783] They were both convinced that I was into them.

[784] Oh, what a great triangle.

[785] So there was some episode of then Will and Grace, which Rob and Ellen were writing on.

[786] They said, hey, we wrote this about our experience with you, thinking that you're into each of us.

[787] would you do the part?

[788] At the time I couldn't, I was busy doing six feet under, but there was some episode of Will and Grace where, who played you?

[789] I can't remember.

[790] A terrific actor whose name I can't remember.

[791] Okay.

[792] Was it a cast member from Friends by chance?

[793] No, never mind.

[794] I'll find out.

[795] Now, your big break is six feet under.

[796] Prior to that sports night, but yes, six feet under was huge.

[797] Yeah, but I mean, that that gets you three Emmy nominations, that gets your quote up.

[798] That's in the biz how much money you get paid.

[799] Ew.

[800] Peter and I have this.

[801] The whole time we were on parenthood, we're both obsessed with our number.

[802] You rolled this out on a hike.

[803] This is how it started.

[804] And I'm just going to say, Celebrity X found out that Celebrity Y had a bigger number than he did.

[805] And he was really bent out of shape about it.

[806] So then we started talking about Bernie Madoff and people like that what are the things that you attach to in your head about your self -worth?

[807] And we came up, my number.

[808] My number isn't big enough.

[809] So we were riffing on that on the trail, but then it started, we started to get into our own version of my number.

[810] And like, what is it that makes you feel good and not feel good?

[811] And like, but the shit that you attach to that is nuts.

[812] One of us will be losing the script a bit.

[813] We'll be kind of sniffing our own farts.

[814] And the other person will just go, my number, to kind of bring us back.

[815] like get your head right everything's golden yeah so it's like a little it's a little safety valve my number yeah how did you come to be on six feet under like you i assume you just you auditioned for that they saw a bunch of people you did you audition for both roles didn't you i did so sports night was a terrific show was erin sorkan's first series and i found out it got canceled and i just bought a house that looked like a Taco Bell.

[816] Yeah, well, Josh Malina and I would play a lot of practical jokes on each other, and Josh Charles was involved too, and he had some friend who worked in an architectural magazine, and I'd bought this basically Adobe -style home, and he had written in this architectural magazine that I'd purchased this Taco Bell that looked like it had elephentiasis.

[817] He had like a Taco Bell for rich people.

[818] And in the same article he had, He had planted that before performing on sports night that I would warm up in my dressing room by singing along to live in La Vida Loca.

[819] I can totally see it.

[820] Oh, yeah.

[821] What was your nickname on Parenthood when you would dance?

[822] Fever.

[823] Fever.

[824] Fever.

[825] That's right?

[826] Fever.

[827] So you initially wanted to play Michael's role, right?

[828] Right.

[829] So shortly after the sports night went down and I was freaking out about this house, I thought, oh, my God, I'm not going to be able to forward.

[830] this house.

[831] I got this call from Alan Ball saying, you know, come on audition for the series for HBO, and he asked me which role I should audition for.

[832] And I thought it was kind of a trick question in a way, because one of the brothers was gay, one was not.

[833] And at the time, I felt very strongly because Matthew Shepard, the thing had happened in Wyoming.

[834] You're familiar with all that?

[835] Right.

[836] He got drug behind a truck, right?

[837] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[838] Well, you can't stay out of the weeds, can you?

[839] I can't.

[840] I know.

[841] It's hard for me. But anyway...

[842] You guys remember Matthew Shepard, right?

[843] He was terribly killed by a bunch of homophiles.

[844] So at that time, they were looking at another person for Nate, paired with my David.

[845] But Michael C. Hall.

[846] Yeah.

[847] What a badass.

[848] Is it a total badass, so talented.

[849] But every now and again, the perfect actor and the perfect role come together.

[850] And I think Michael C. Hall and David Fisher was one of those combinations.

[851] He was perfect for that.

[852] So the way things worked out, and I really, when I look at Francis Conroy, Richard Jenkins, Lauren Ambrose, Michael, and myself, it looks like a family.

[853] Like, they did a good job cast in that family.

[854] Yes, and everyone was phenomenal on that.

[855] And I'm wondering, as that show picked up steam and it became kind of an awards darling, and again, you were nominated three times for Emmy.

[856] It's amazing.

[857] Do you start having fantasies of grandeur?

[858] like, oh, I'm probably going to be the next bond.

[859] Because that's where my head would go.

[860] I mean, I don't know.

[861] We made that whole first season before any of those episodes aired.

[862] So we made that whole first season in a vacuum, and we were all really into it.

[863] And then it aired.

[864] And it was weird because it aired, and I think some of those nominations and stuff rolled in.

[865] Yeah, they did because 9 -11 happened in 2001.

[866] Oh, boy.

[867] Here we go.

[868] Ha ha ha.

[869] I'm very sorry.

[870] I'm very sorry.

[871] Down a dark and winding road.

[872] I think it was in the wake of the Spanish flu that I read this script.

[873] I don't know that I did.

[874] And then I was having a kid.

[875] The beginning of the second season was when my son was born.

[876] And that kind of shifted focus, right?

[877] Because you were like, I'm not going to now, on my limited time off of that show, go be in another state or country in a movie.

[878] No, I turned a lot of work down during those periods of time to spend time with my son, which I look back and, like, anybody could have been changing his diapers.

[879] No, it is, it's true in terms of bonding.

[880] He went the other way.

[881] I know, I know.

[882] Yeah, big switcheroo.

[883] It is absolutely true, though.

[884] In terms of that early bonding, it is really important.

[885] I guess I just now want to go to the fact that you and I, and you've had a really long successful career, mine's marginally successful, but I have been doing this now for 16 years.

[886] I got to say, without a doubt, best six years stretch of my life professionally ever on parenthood.

[887] For however much you guys should know, however much you liked it, it was then doubly as fun making it.

[888] It was the nicest, most loving place to go to work every day.

[889] It was so beautiful.

[890] And Peter was our leader.

[891] I don't say this lightly.

[892] Peter was our leader.

[893] He was the guy who remembered my mom from three years.

[894] before, which is still mind -blowing.

[895] I never heard him talk shit.

[896] Never talk shit about anyone at work.

[897] Kind, benevolent, just patient with directors.

[898] He directed.

[899] It was a joy to work with him as a director.

[900] It's really easy to evaluate an actor if they're super flashy and they seem really good.

[901] It's a more interesting thing to start noticing how other actors are when they're in a scene with a certain actor and you sucked me into your jet wash and you infected me with a little bit of your skill and I thank you and I credit you for a huge transition in my acting as corny as that sounds you're going to be great and we're going to find something that no one even thought of in the writer's room and I knew it would happen every single time and it was such a beautiful joyous experience.

[902] So I just thank you for that.

[903] And you made me so much better.

[904] I know you made everyone in that cast better.

[905] And that to me is a true, amazing actor that you can convince me it's happening.

[906] That's how powerful your force field is.

[907] You have to stop.

[908] Thank you.

[909] One blow job and then we'll be done.

[910] Thank you for those kind words.

[911] I loved working with you on that show.

[912] We had a lot of fun together.

[913] We also had a lot of fun in the scenes where we got to push each other's buttons.

[914] Yeah.

[915] And I'll never forget one day, Dax and I are at the recording studio or Crosby and Adam.

[916] And we were supposed to really be going at it.

[917] And we were encouraged sometimes to, like, you know, go off script a little bit and have some fun.

[918] And Dax was coming at me with a bunch of stuff.

[919] And I was looking at him.

[920] And I just thought, I'm just going to push this button and see what happens.

[921] And you were standing there getting all fuming at me. And I looked at you and I said, boy, you really do need attention.

[922] And your face was like, you did.

[923] You were like, all, all.

[924] It's all.

[925] My Achilles, I need endless, endless, endless attention and approval and attention.

[926] But afterwards, like, it was like, we were both so psyched.

[927] As you were saying, like, we're all going to go out there.

[928] We're going to do this together.

[929] And when I was at NYU, Ron Van Loo, who now teaches at Columbia, and he taught at Yale, said this.

[930] And I think it's one of the most brilliant things about acting.

[931] And it's part of what goes into me trying to connect with other people when I'm acting.

[932] He said, what happens between two people is always.

[933] more interesting than what one person is doing.

[934] And if you can energize that space between you and another actor so that you're really listening to each other and you're really affecting each other, the audience forgets they're watching something.

[935] And you're just in it.

[936] And that's what, you know, I always try to do.

[937] And I think that we achieve that a lot on parenthood.

[938] Well, that's what I'm saying.

[939] You pulled me into that bubble so often and really helped me just find my normal voice.

[940] We approach it opposite.

[941] Like, I do something that you don't do and you do something I don't do.

[942] My thing is I have to really think of a real thing that's happened that is comparable to that thing, and I replace that, right, this fake situation with a real one I've been through, and that's how I do it.

[943] And you're the opposite, right?

[944] You commit to the fake world so deeply that then it becomes real.

[945] Well, we were at NYU, the Ron Van Loo thing was you deeply imagine those circumstances, and then there's also the physical stuff we did at NYU about opening up your breath and Troop Matthews who taught the Alexander technique.

[946] I don't think I've ever talked to you about this, but like he'd manipulate your body and like move it in spirals and things like that and suddenly he'd be on this table like pounding your fist in a rage.

[947] He would actually unlock because we, and I believe this now because I've gone through it, we store memories and pain and even laughter, different things in our bodies and that can be let loose if the right person.

[948] And these people were amazing at NYU, but he's dead now, but Troop.

[949] Oh, boy.

[950] Sorry, I know.

[951] I know, here I go again.

[952] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[953] Peter, we knew he was dead because you brought his name up.

[954] I'm like, oh, that guy's dead.

[955] At this point, we know.

[956] We can predict.

[957] But he, I had out -of -body experiences where I was floating, seeing everything.

[958] Like, I would have new memories unlocked, tears, like, all this kind of stuff.

[959] Times I'd be like, oh my God, like, I'm not really alive.

[960] Like, right now I'm really alive.

[961] Like, right now I'm really alive because he like connected all my nerve endings and everything you know yeah the NYU program at that time was was amazing but I just want to tell one funny story we had because we got along I would say perfectly for the whole six years and have continued to after but we had one dicey moment and it's really interesting and I didn't learn about it I think I called you like a year ago because I had heard a podcast that explained this phenomenon and so my group of friends here in Detroit, a way we would show affection for each other was to do something to the other person that no one else could get away with.

[962] That was a signal.

[963] Like, we're in this, I just let you do something to me. I would never let anyone to do, and I don't mean sexual.

[964] I just wanted to jump into just to preface it that only you and Josh Charles has this happened to me, not what you're going to talk about, but there are times when you're with another actor and you find them so amusing, you just start to laugh.

[965] And so with Josh on Sports Night and with you on parenthood, there were times when like whatever you were doing, I would just start to like, start to get the giggles.

[966] Yeah.

[967] And we couldn't reel it back in sometimes.

[968] So, and there's this long, also I'll add, this fun tradition of all the Burt Reynolds movies when he was with Dom Del Louise, when they would crack each other up, they'd smack each other in the face.

[969] Oh, no. Yeah, you know where this is going.

[970] Oh, boy.

[971] So we get to giggling about something, like take three, take fourths.

[972] We can't get it.

[973] And we're just looking at it.

[974] each other and we're laughing, we're laughing, we're laughing.

[975] We're laughing.

[976] Smack Peter in the face.

[977] And I immediately see, that's not for him.

[978] He...

[979] Oh, no. Oh, no. And you didn't say anything then.

[980] Pulled me aside a few days later.

[981] And you're like, hey, so here's the thing.

[982] I don't need you to ever hit me in the face.

[983] And I was mortified.

[984] I was so fucking embarrassed.

[985] In my mind, I'm like, no, no, that means I love you and you can hit me. Let's hit each other.

[986] We love each other.

[987] And I listened to it and I realized, oh, that's what I was doing.

[988] I was like signaling to you, we're beyond the conventional, civil, whatever.

[989] We have something deep and we can hit each other.

[990] And by the way, that's why when I came up here tonight, I decided I'm going to give them a little 20 % or and pick them up off the floor.

[991] Crack a couple ribs for his homecoming.

[992] Well, Peter Krauseau, it's been one of my probably just the greatest strokes of good fortune I've ever had was, A, just getting on that show and then be able to learn from you and just be supported by you, and it's just something I've cherished forever.

[993] I've been asking you to come on this show since day one.

[994] You've been pushing me off kindly.

[995] I can be a little shy sometimes.

[996] You can be shy.

[997] But when you said I'm doing it in Detroit, it's my homecoming.

[998] I was like, all right.

[999] Oh, so nice.

[1000] Just clearly one of the best examples of a man I've ever had in my life and I look up to you.

[1001] So, Detroit, you made my heart so swell tonight.

[1002] Thank you, Peter Krausa.

[1003] Thank you, Detroit.

[1004] Thank you, Bob Murvac.

[1005] Thank you, Michiganers.

[1006] We love you so much.

[1007] Have a great night.

[1008] What's up, guys?

[1009] This is your girl Kiki, and my podcast is back with a new season.

[1010] And let me tell you, it's too good.

[1011] And I'm diving into the brains of entertainment's best and brightest, okay?

[1012] Every episode, I bring on a friend and have a real conversation.

[1013] And I don't mean just friends.

[1014] I mean the likes of Amy Poehler, Kell Mitchell, Vivica Fox.

[1015] The list goes on.

[1016] So follow, watch, and listen to Baby.

[1017] This is Kiki Palmer on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcast.

[1018] We've all been there.

[1019] Turning to the internet to self -diagnose our inexplicable pains, debilitating body aches, sudden fevers, and strange rashes.

[1020] Though our minds tend to spiral to worst -case scenarios, it's usually nothing, but for an unlucky few, these unsuspecting symptoms can start the clock ticking on a terrifying medical mystery.

[1021] Like the unexplainable death of a retired firefighter, whose body was found at home by his son, except it looked like he had been cremated, or the time when an entire town started jumping from buildings and seeing tigers on their ceilings.

[1022] Hey listeners, it's Mr. Ballin here, and I'm here to tell you about my podcast.

[1023] It's called Mr. Ballin's Medical Mysteries.

[1024] Each terrifying true story will be sure to keep you up at night.

[1025] Follow Mr. Ballin's Medical Mysteries wherever you get your podcasts.

[1026] Prime members can listen early and ad free on Amazon music.

[1027] And now my favorite part of the show, the fact check with my soulmate Monica Padman.

[1028] Hang on, Fackies, Fackies, hang on, yeah.

[1029] That didn't work.

[1030] Hang on, Lucy.

[1031] I don't know that song.

[1032] You don't know hang on Lucy.

[1033] Hang on Lucy.

[1034] Lucy hang on.

[1035] Yeah, it's probably early 60s, late 50s.

[1036] Who is it?

[1037] I don't know.

[1038] Some kind of, it doesn't matter.

[1039] Well, it matters.

[1040] Well, it does matter to the folks who wrote, Hang on Lucy.

[1041] I don't even know if it's fucking Lucy now.

[1042] It was all confidence in even bringing up the song.

[1043] Oof.

[1044] Your further inquiry got me nervous and self -conscious.

[1045] And defensive.

[1046] Yeah, I can see that.

[1047] This is enough.

[1048] Mm -hmm.

[1049] Peter Krausa.

[1050] Yeah.

[1051] You know what's sweet about the Peter Krausa experience is that he was in Detroit a day early for the show.

[1052] And you, Peter, and I all hung out.

[1053] Yeah.

[1054] We got to show them around Detroit a little bit.

[1055] It was so fun.

[1056] We got ourselves some fried chicken.

[1057] At Gus's fried chicken.

[1058] And we ate these deep fried pickles that, quite frankly, no one couldn't get a handle on, right?

[1059] They were popping out of the case here.

[1060] The batter.

[1061] Yeah.

[1062] But really, she warned you.

[1063] that it was going to be too hot and to wait, and you just wouldn't wait.

[1064] Well, couldn't wait.

[1065] Well, wouldn't wait.

[1066] Wouldn't wait.

[1067] Wouldn't wait.

[1068] And then it popped right out.

[1069] It was too hot for your mouth.

[1070] It was everything she said.

[1071] Uh -huh.

[1072] And that pickle bounced and danced all over the table before it landed in my lap.

[1073] It was a mess.

[1074] Uh -huh.

[1075] But worth it.

[1076] Just a good example of willpower.

[1077] Yeah, yeah.

[1078] Couldn't wait.

[1079] And wouldn't wait.

[1080] That's funny because we switched on that one.

[1081] We did.

[1082] Yeah.

[1083] Yeah, it was so fun.

[1084] Peter is the best.

[1085] He is.

[1086] He's the nicest person.

[1087] Yeah, I think he's the nicest person.

[1088] He is.

[1089] And yet still.

[1090] And fun still.

[1091] And dangerous a little bit.

[1092] What do you mean?

[1093] Well, like, he's still, he's got a naughty side.

[1094] Oh.

[1095] You know what I'm saying?

[1096] He's not boring.

[1097] He's not boring eyes.

[1098] Look at that.

[1099] That's a lovely car.

[1100] Oh, that person's not.

[1101] You know, he's got a mischievous side.

[1102] That's a better word to use to describe P. P .K. Yeah.

[1103] And he's very thoughtful and interesting.

[1104] Whatever he adds is profound.

[1105] He's an incredibly dialed in conversationalist and he asks you a lot of questions and he remembers stuff about you.

[1106] It's very thoughtful.

[1107] Yeah.

[1108] I like him.

[1109] Yeah.

[1110] Me too.

[1111] He texted me recently and said he thought he saw me on the street, but it wasn't me. Oh, it wasn't?

[1112] No. It was a fake out.

[1113] A fake Monica's rolling around the neighborhood.

[1114] That's right.

[1115] don't you want to see that person what if it was me what if I oh there's two of me or I split or I was having a stroke oh well hold on why would you be having a stroke now in this scenario where there's two of you because the reason I didn't know is because I was having a stroke oh okay I was thinking more like Danny Navito and Schwarzenegger and twins where you were separated at birth and the other monocles raised on an island or something and then made her way to Los Feliz.

[1116] Yeah, to find you.

[1117] She wants to see her sister.

[1118] Oh, she's looking for me. Well, that's what Schwarzenegger was looking for Danny DeVito.

[1119] Oh, I like the scenario better that she just ended up here.

[1120] Oh, yeah.

[1121] Like one of those old twin studies where they were separated at birth and they didn't put the exact same job in the same building and the same That happened?

[1122] Yeah, and their husbands have the same name and stuff.

[1123] That can't be real.

[1124] No, for real.

[1125] We'll do a subsequent fact check.

[1126] So yeah.

[1127] So Peter, we had fried chicken and then we went to get coney dogs after our show.

[1128] That's right.

[1129] And that was a tasty treat.

[1130] Yeah.

[1131] How many did you eat two?

[1132] No, I had one.

[1133] One?

[1134] I must have ordered you two and you only, because I know I insisted on ordering you two.

[1135] Maybe I ordered two.

[1136] Maybe I ate two.

[1137] I can't remember.

[1138] Oh, and tell them about the tricks that happened at Lafayette.

[1139] Yeah, they did magic for me. It's a real show when you go in there.

[1140] First of all, there were many of us eating.

[1141] The guy brought up the whole order in one thing.

[1142] He had plates stacked along his shoulders and arms.

[1143] His arms were out.

[1144] He was spread eagle with plates everywhere.

[1145] Sure.

[1146] And he brought the whole order.

[1147] Dozens of hot dogs and french fries.

[1148] Yeah, that was impressive.

[1149] That was one magic trick.

[1150] That was more of a circus trick, maybe.

[1151] Sure.

[1152] It still could be magic because it seems impossible, and it could be like a Harry Potter -style magic where it's, you know.

[1153] You're using this power for something totally.

[1154] Where the arms are actually 30 feet out.

[1155] like you extend your actual arm based off magic yeah but then he did another magic trick where he what did he do he took a toothpick it took two toothpicks yeah and he made them into a v and then he put a a fucking fork at the other end and then put on the top of a pop can and somehow this impossible shape was anchoring it's incredible two heads of toothpicks nothing was falling yeah it was I think we took a photo of it.

[1156] Yeah, we did.

[1157] We did.

[1158] We'll find it and we'll post it.

[1159] Okay.

[1160] It was fun and it was fun to go to a place that you love so much.

[1161] Yeah.

[1162] And my son was there, which is amazing.

[1163] Aaron Weekly.

[1164] He was.

[1165] He came on stage.

[1166] He did.

[1167] For one one, one second.

[1168] Yeah, for the listeners, because that part's in, but Aaron doesn't say anything.

[1169] No, he'd rather not.

[1170] It's a bunch of lead up and then nothing.

[1171] Well, he looks cute.

[1172] He smiles.

[1173] Of course, but for listeners, they can't see that.

[1174] I think you can't see his cute baby smile.

[1175] Wobby, do you take a picture of Weekly on stage?

[1176] Yeah, there's a photo of you guys hugging.

[1177] Oh, but it's his back.

[1178] Oh, great.

[1179] That's great.

[1180] Right.

[1181] So that's still not helpful.

[1182] He can hang on to his anonymity still.

[1183] So Peter, you know, you embarrassed me in front of Peter once.

[1184] When I first started working for you, Peter came over, and I was in the kitchen and then he just popped in because you guys were going to go on a hike.

[1185] Uh -huh.

[1186] And I introduced myself we were talking and then you came in and you said, oh my God, Monica, relax.

[1187] Like, I think you use the phrase hold your water, which I don't even know what that means, but you said, hold your water.

[1188] And then you said, Monica's a huge parenthood fan.

[1189] Yeah, I was just trying to flatter him.

[1190] I wasn't trying to make you.

[1191] But it was embarrassing because I was playing it really cool.

[1192] Oh.

[1193] Oh.

[1194] Okay, you're icing him out a little bit.

[1195] Yeah.

[1196] Okay.

[1197] And then you spoiled it.

[1198] Well, I had an opportunity to make him feel real good.

[1199] And I took it.

[1200] It's like if I knew someone was a super fan of Monica and you're an ex -year, I go, oh, my God, I can't believe you're holding your water.

[1201] Yeah.

[1202] But just that other person might then feel like now I'm just a fan.

[1203] And I was someone talking to him earnestly.

[1204] Yeah.

[1205] I do a lot of things where it would make me happy.

[1206] So I assume it would make you happy and I'm wrong often.

[1207] because I would love it if Natalie Perkman came over the kitchen.

[1208] I would not want to tell her that I had a fucking poster of her in my toolbox, but I would love it if you told her for me. I want her to know I loved her.

[1209] Okay.

[1210] But I don't want to be awkward and say it myself.

[1211] So if you say, I'd be like, oh, good, she said it for me. It's a little different.

[1212] You understand that, right?

[1213] No. Because you're not a fan.

[1214] Status -wise, you're on the same page.

[1215] There is a difference.

[1216] For you as the person that's like fine with being a fan, I think part of that is because you yourself are established.

[1217] I mean, I understand why you think that.

[1218] I don't think that personally.

[1219] I think when I love someone, I want them to know.

[1220] And sometimes it's too awkward to tell them when you first meet them.

[1221] So if someone else told them for me, I want them to know I love them.

[1222] They affected me. I really want them to know.

[1223] Sure, sure.

[1224] And so if I just deem it too awkward for me to come out with it, I'm generally grateful.

[1225] Kristen does it all the time.

[1226] I'll be talking to someone at some function.

[1227] she'll go, oh, you found your boyfriend, he loves you, blah, blah, blah, and I love it.

[1228] I like that.

[1229] Yeah, but I do think there is a little bit of a difference of the babysitter versus you.

[1230] I do.

[1231] I know you don't.

[1232] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1233] Anyhow, but I'm glad he knows that I love him.

[1234] Yeah, he should know that.

[1235] Yeah.

[1236] So we talked about his character had an AVM, which is also what the woman on parenthood had.

[1237] Yes, the executive.

[1238] Yes, who, passed away, sadly.

[1239] An AVM, arteria venous malformation is an abnormal connection between arteries and veins bypassing the capillary system.

[1240] This vascular anomaly is widely known because of its occurrence in the central nervous system, usually cerebral AVM, but can appear in any location.

[1241] Although many AVMs are asymptomatic, they can cause intense pain or bleeding early to other serious medical problems.

[1242] So those capillaries must be regular.

[1243] The inflating the flow and whatnot, I'd imagine.

[1244] If it's bypassing the capillaries and the issue becomes too much blood.

[1245] I guess so.

[1246] Yikes.

[1247] Yikes.

[1248] No AVM for me, please.

[1249] No, thanks.

[1250] And we could have them because they're asymptomatic.

[1251] They're asymptomatic.

[1252] Many of them are.

[1253] I guess they could probably find it in an MRI.

[1254] Capillaries.

[1255] Capillaries.

[1256] Capillaries.

[1257] I wanted to pop a you in there.

[1258] Yeah, sure.

[1259] Like tubular.

[1260] Totally tubular.

[1261] Totally tubular.

[1262] Did you used to say that?

[1263] Totally tubular?

[1264] Yeah.

[1265] You didn't.

[1266] No, no, no. That was off limits in my house.

[1267] Oh.

[1268] I told you basically my brother set the rules of what I was allowed to say or not.

[1269] Sure.

[1270] So like I've talked about it in here, I didn't like Michael Jackson to older because we were a prince family.

[1271] We liked Prince.

[1272] He was the naughty Michael Jackson, although it turns out not to be the naughty Michael Jackson.

[1273] Likewise, my mom was like, no, we like Rolling Stones, not Beatles.

[1274] Remember we're just talking about this?

[1275] Beatles were two, I want to hold your hand.

[1276] Yeah, which seems very counterintuitive.

[1277] Seems like your mom would love that.

[1278] No, Mc Jaguar's like, but he ain't a man because he doesn't smoke the same cigarettes as me. He's just trying to make a girl pregnant.

[1279] He's talking about banging and smoking cigarettes, and they're talking about, like, having candy and holding hands.

[1280] Yeah, but your mom is like that.

[1281] No, my mom's a naughty girl.

[1282] I mean, she likes holding people.

[1283] She likes being affectionate and sweet and nice.

[1284] Yeah, but she's got, she's a little raunch here in that.

[1285] She wants to get into the sheets, my mom.

[1286] You murder.

[1287] You can like both.

[1288] Yes, you can like both.

[1289] In fact, you probably should not be just choosing one or the other.

[1290] Well, but I think it's like any high school things.

[1291] So there was these gals in their bobby socks or whatever the fuck they were and the steamed and ironed skirts.

[1292] And my mom was like, no, no, I'm more into drag racing rolling stones.

[1293] I get the whole thing.

[1294] I want a, I want a man who smokes cigarettes, all that stuff.

[1295] She was kind of naughty.

[1296] Blew up that typewriter in school, got kicked out.

[1297] Yeah.

[1298] So it was just too G for her.

[1299] She wanted some R -rated music.

[1300] Sure.

[1301] Yeah.

[1302] So totally tubular was way too G for my brother.

[1303] And so therefore I never said it.

[1304] But I just think in general it's a hindrance to give yourself this identity that like I'm naughty or I'm clean or I'm this.

[1305] or I'm that because you miss owl on other stuff by just saying like, I'm not into that because that's not me. Oh, yeah.

[1306] The urge to identify with the tribe and seek out a tribe and be tribal, yeah, I think is pretty destructive.

[1307] But I also think every one of us does it.

[1308] Yours happen to be cheerleading.

[1309] That was your tribe.

[1310] You hung with those people.

[1311] You traveled with them.

[1312] Yeah, but I wasn't like, I'm a cheerleader, so I am not artsy.

[1313] You know, I was not trying to like make myself one thing.

[1314] and then that's the whole identity.

[1315] Yeah.

[1316] I don't think.

[1317] I was definitely trying to straddle a bunch of lines.

[1318] I hung out with all the artistic kids.

[1319] Yeah.

[1320] Those were my main group of friends.

[1321] The snowboarders, the skateboarders, and whatnot.

[1322] But I also had some popular friends.

[1323] I'm with you.

[1324] Yeah.

[1325] I think you learn more if you take in more.

[1326] Okay.

[1327] So you said that you did a triple Lindy off the diving board.

[1328] Yeah.

[1329] A triple Lindy is not a real thing.

[1330] It's not.

[1331] It's from the movie Back to School with Rock.

[1332] Rodney Dangerfield.

[1333] That's right.

[1334] It's not a real thing.

[1335] Did you watch it online?

[1336] No. Oh, you must.

[1337] It's one of the funniest things.

[1338] So Rodney Dangerfield, who obviously, by anyone's account, doesn't look super athletic.

[1339] No, no. We can agree on that.

[1340] Yeah, he's an advanced age and he's rotund.

[1341] And he goes to join his son, goes away to college, and he wants to be with him.

[1342] And it turns out he was like an amazing diver at one point in his life.

[1343] And he was the only guy could do the triple Lindy.

[1344] And he does the triple Lindy.

[1345] And it's the stupidest funny.

[1346] dive.

[1347] It's all the slow motion.

[1348] He's like, gives thumbs up in the middle of it.

[1349] Right.

[1350] It's very 80s comedy funny.

[1351] Okay.

[1352] Well, you said that as if you really did that.

[1353] And then you've said it before in other things.

[1354] And so it's not a thing.

[1355] It's not a thing.

[1356] No. It just means an incredibly impossible dive.

[1357] I checked with a few divers about that.

[1358] About the triple Lindy.

[1359] Yeah.

[1360] Oh, you did.

[1361] Did they know immediately it was from that movie?

[1362] No. neither of them did but they just said no that's not real right right we're going to watch the video you're going to like that triple lindy video so stupid um so he said his coach one of his coaches fred keifer was the world record in handstand pushups at one point currently the world record of handstand pushups in a minute in a minute yeah but that seems to be the standard of how they're doing this is a fitness enthusiast in Armenia 37 handstand pushups in one minute Manville Mammoian Mammoian manmoian Manville Mamoyan 25 of years of age A lot of alliteration Yeah that's true 37 I was expecting it to be above 60 I know it seems kind of underwhelming Although imagine how hard is to do one of those Oh they're impossible Yeah, in one minute.

[1363] Well, you know, if you do a military press with the bar, when I do those, girl, I got 25s on each side.

[1364] The bar is 45, 95 pounds, tops.

[1365] I'm not doing 180.

[1366] You know who used to do them?

[1367] He could rip them out.

[1368] Scott Johnson.

[1369] Really?

[1370] He was kind of the king of the handstand push -ups.

[1371] And I was always amazed.

[1372] Yeah.

[1373] And he'd usually get in the mood to do him when he was drunk.

[1374] So we'd be drunk.

[1375] All of a sudden, I'd see him leaning against the wall, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

[1376] Dang, and he had those great trapezias as a result.

[1377] This is your friend Scotty.

[1378] Scott Johnson.

[1379] Too bad.

[1380] We didn't record how many he could do in a minute.

[1381] He could have passed the world record.

[1382] Yeah, but he's also 48 or 9 now.

[1383] Well, I'm saying I wish you guys had done that then.

[1384] Oh, yes, yes.

[1385] I don't think he could have ever done 37, but I do think he was in the 8 to 10 range.

[1386] Wow.

[1387] Pretty great.

[1388] That is good.

[1389] Yeah.

[1390] That's really good.

[1391] I was always envious of that.

[1392] Do you try to practice on your own in your bedroom?

[1393] No, instead I went straight to a defense that my arms were way longer than his, and it would be harder for me. God.

[1394] Oh, man. I got to do something.

[1395] No, you don't.

[1396] You can just give it up that somebody can do something you can't do.

[1397] He definitely bested me, and I had excuses.

[1398] His school, Gustavus Adolphus, he said that Gustav Adolph was the king of Sweden, and then they sort of Latinized the name.

[1399] But actually his name was Gustavus Adolphus.

[1400] Oh, it was.

[1401] Yeah, but he went by Gustav Adolph.

[1402] Great.

[1403] Yeah.

[1404] So actually, that was his real name.

[1405] That's really close to Gusta Adolf, which would be I like Adolf in Spanish.

[1406] Oh, that's true.

[1407] May Gusta Adolf.

[1408] That's true.

[1409] Yeah, you wouldn't want to say that very much.

[1410] No, if your name was Gusta Adolf currently and you went down on a vacation to Cabo or the Yucatan and you kept saying, introducing yourself as me gustavos, it's unlike me likes Adolf.

[1411] You wouldn't say me. I know.

[1412] Say me yamo as gusta Adolf.

[1413] But you know where I'm going with it.

[1414] It could get confusing.

[1415] Sure, sure.

[1416] Sure.

[1417] Oh, he said that when he was a kid, he would go down to the basement, his basement, and, like, have his own time and just fantasize.

[1418] Yeah.

[1419] And I could just relate to that so much.

[1420] First of all, we have a basement at my house.

[1421] but I didn't spend that much time there, but I would always just spend so much time in my room with the door closed, living out fantasies.

[1422] Yeah.

[1423] All day long.

[1424] Yeah, I did quite a bit of fantasizing in my room as well.

[1425] Yeah, it's interesting.

[1426] Creating these lives for myself that I was going to get.

[1427] But kind of acting them out.

[1428] Did you ever act them out?

[1429] Yeah, a little bit.

[1430] I think so.

[1431] Would you go like, sociopathic?

[1432] I'll take that Fendi purse and you would mimic pulling out thousands at hours.

[1433] No, it wasn't shallow like that.

[1434] Oh, it was.

[1435] No, it was like, they were like real fantasies.

[1436] There's like, ladies and gentlemen of the United States, it is my honor to take the role of president.

[1437] No. What was it?

[1438] They weren't anything like that.

[1439] They were like, some of them were future fantasies, but some were just like current.

[1440] I was just like acting out the way I wanted my life to be sort of.

[1441] Yeah.

[1442] Oh, I like this.

[1443] Would you talk out loud, though?

[1444] I think.

[1445] Yeah.

[1446] Without, I can't remember exactly if I was talking out loud or if I was talking out loud or if I was just talking in my head.

[1447] Right.

[1448] No, Kyle, I can't come over.

[1449] I don't know.

[1450] I'm seeing Joe.

[1451] I'm just clutching at straws to figure out an example of how you would do this.

[1452] It's hard to explain.

[1453] Of course it is hard to explain.

[1454] That's what makes it interesting.

[1455] Well, it also makes it hard to explain.

[1456] No, but if you were like, I ate cereal every morning.

[1457] I'm like, yeah, it needs no explanation.

[1458] I did too.

[1459] But living out some fantasies real time in your room, that's ripe for an example.

[1460] I know, but I can't really give you one.

[1461] because they're not concrete.

[1462] And it was a long time ago, so I don't remember.

[1463] Right.

[1464] Would you have put on a certain song or anything or an outfit?

[1465] Not an outfit.

[1466] Okay.

[1467] I think there was music involved.

[1468] Yeah.

[1469] But it was just like the way I existed in that space.

[1470] So it didn't feel like, okay, I'm going to, I'm doing this for an hour.

[1471] It was like always.

[1472] Right.

[1473] You got to daydreaming and then all of a sudden you were kind of just being that person.

[1474] This is Jose.

[1475] He's your anesthesiologist.

[1476] He's going to put you down.

[1477] then I'll make the incision.

[1478] It's going to be a very short procedure, and then we're going to have this hip replaced in no time.

[1479] I didn't fantasize about a hip replacement.

[1480] About being a surgeon.

[1481] Oh, I was the surgeon.

[1482] Yeah, you're explaining to your patient what was going to proceed.

[1483] I think I fantasize a lot about, like, acting jobs.

[1484] Oh, sure.

[1485] Maybe being in some scenes, some theoretical scenes.

[1486] I think so.

[1487] I think so.

[1488] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1489] I think so.

[1490] Yeah, I'm coming.

[1491] Hold on.

[1492] I'm just getting ready, pretending that someone knocked at the door or something.

[1493] maybe i don't remember that sounds closer to what could have happened just one minute yes i'm just finishing packing my bag for a trip i'm gonna need two minutes just trying out lines yes mike that would be fine please do pull the car around i should be down in 15 to 20 minutes no i'm not a weird grown up in these that's like you you sound highfalutin when you are talking like me yeah because When I think of people who liked acting in high school, I think of them acting fancy.

[1494] Oh, you're doing an acting voice.

[1495] Yes, I'm doing like being fancy.

[1496] I don't do that anymore.

[1497] Fantasize like that.

[1498] Yeah, I don't much either.

[1499] I do still, though, I still not nearly with the frequency I used to, but I used to as a hobby, embarrass myself in the mirror.

[1500] Did you ever do that?

[1501] I would like make weird, gross faces in the mirror until I actually induced embarrassment, like where I look so gross and embarrassing.

[1502] me. And I was mildly addicted to doing that.

[1503] And occasionally, but I bet now it's only once every like four months.

[1504] I'm like breezing in and out of the bathroom.

[1505] I'm getting ready.

[1506] And then it just crosses my mind to look in the mirror.

[1507] You do that still.

[1508] And I do like really gross.

[1509] Show me one.

[1510] I do like really gross faces and be like, do some weird activity that makes me embarrassed.

[1511] But I do like inducing self -induced embarrassment.

[1512] Have you ever done that?

[1513] You've not done that?

[1514] No. Oh, wow.

[1515] You know, embarrassment's the feeling that I avoid the most in life.

[1516] Right.

[1517] So I would never do that, I don't think, or think to do it.

[1518] I used to do it so much.

[1519] How strange.

[1520] I know, but I can't imagine I'm alone.

[1521] You're probably not.

[1522] I kind of catch my kids doing it a little bit.

[1523] And I'll catch Lincoln in the mirror, like going, like trying to get herself to finally being bad.

[1524] I think that's what's going on.

[1525] I don't know that she's trying to be embarrassed.

[1526] I don't think she likes embarrassment either from my vantage point Well, I think that was my exercises That no one likes being embarrassed But so I kind of was like I'm afraid of being embarrassed So I'm gonna do it Yeah, I'm gonna confront it kind of I don't think it was that What's the worst face you made in the mirror?

[1527] Show me. I'd have to be in the mirror with you Because I gotta let my face guide the experience Would you be able to do that To allow somebody else viewing it or no?

[1528] Yeah, I could At this point doing it so long I trust that you like me you'll get chills though because i would give myself chills like oh my god what if someone saw me doing so exactly i moved my body in a weird i imagine what jim carrie did all growing up sure yeah yeah like see how far he could push it oh we're all so weird i love that i hope people can relate i'm sure they can okay he was on nine two and oh with Andrea, we can remember her last name, Zuckerman.

[1529] Right, playing a conservative, a sexy conservative.

[1530] Yeah.

[1531] Yeah.

[1532] Okay, so there was a Will and Grace episode about him.

[1533] About Peter.

[1534] Oh, okay.

[1535] That he told us he said his two friends, one was gay, one was straight, and they both thought he was hitting on them.

[1536] Oh, right.

[1537] Yeah, that is Season 1, Episode 16, Yours, Mine, or Hours.

[1538] Oh, clever title.

[1539] Mm -hmm.

[1540] And the description is, while riding the elevator, Grace meets Peter, who is new in town and is moving into the building.

[1541] They get acquainted and he invites her to a housewarming dinner.

[1542] Later that day, Will meets Peter and he invites him as well.

[1543] Both Will and Grace think they're up for a romantic date, but instead end up in the same apartment competing for Peter's attention and looking for clues as to whether Peter is gay or straight.

[1544] When they finally asked Peter which one of them he's dating, he expresses that they are just friends and is not interested in either of them.

[1545] David Newsom played Peter Oh, you know what's interesting Is the episode I got fired from on Will and Grace That was virtually the same storyline Oh, they both thought that I was attracted to them Oh, interesting Yeah, so I think they've gone to that well more than once maybe Interesting Well, yeah, that's fun They even used his real name, Peter, so there's no mixing it up Yeah, you can really claim it Yeah That's all That's all?

[1546] Well, fun was had by a all in Detroit.

[1547] Oh, yeah.

[1548] I told you, you know, is the most nervous I've ever been for a live show was at Detroit.

[1549] Yeah, of course.

[1550] Because I can't do my mental trick.

[1551] You know, like the old -fashioned mental trick of imagine everyone's naked.

[1552] Well, I don't do that, but I do have this, I can put up a wall where I go, oh, if I'm terrible tonight, I probably will never see anyone again from Tampa, Florida.

[1553] Yeah.

[1554] But I was in front of a lot of people I knew and loved and wanted to think I'm good and all that.

[1555] And so I was kind of stressed for that show.

[1556] I can relate.

[1557] Yeah.

[1558] It's much easier to perform in front of strangers.

[1559] And something happened that I feared would happen.

[1560] And I felt guilty since the live show almost a month ago.

[1561] Okay.

[1562] Which is my ex -girlfriend Carrie, who I love with my whole heart, had planned a kind of a get -together afterwards.

[1563] And then I felt I wasn't positive Peter would want to go to an after party with a bunch of people I knew and he didn't.

[1564] And then I couldn't go.

[1565] And then I think I heard her feelings.

[1566] And I feel really bad about it.

[1567] I guess this is my public apology about it.

[1568] Yeah, that sounds what it sounds like.

[1569] I bet I think about it twice a day still.

[1570] Well, why don't you just call her and talk to her about it and get some closure on it?

[1571] Well, because I don't really know it.

[1572] I should.

[1573] You're right.

[1574] That's exactly what I should do.

[1575] All right.

[1576] I love you.

[1577] I love you.

[1578] Thanks for the advice.

[1579] Bye.

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