#195 - Aubrey Marcus

[0] Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night all day.

[1] We're going deep, kids.

[2] Deep to the dark jungles of Costa Rica.

[3] You were in Costa Rica.

[4] You were in Costa Rica.

[5] You just returned.

[6] And you went to an Ibogaine retreat.

[7] If you don't know what Ibogaine is, Ibogaine is this stuff that Hunter S. Thompson accused one of the guys who was running for president of being on.

[8] in, it was like in 1970 or whatever the hell it was.

[9] McGovern?

[10] I believe it was McGovern.

[11] Or was he for McGovern?

[12] I don't remember.

[13] But if you watch the movie, Gonzo, the life and work of Hunter -R -R -Thompson, they go into detail about how he just started saying that this guy was taking Ibogaine and that he was bringing in a Brazilian doctor.

[14] He just made up this shit and put it in the Rolling Stone and fucking people were believing it.

[15] And so everybody would, go, I think it's Ed Muskie, I think that's the guy's name.

[16] And everybody would go and watch this guy have speeches and he was having psychological meltdowns because Hunter kept accusing him of being on Ibogaine.

[17] Yeah.

[18] And so he would have, there was these really crazy rambling speeches, these campaign speeches where it's clearly a man who's just been like deeply affected by this fucked up thing that's happened to them.

[19] Some guys just accused him of being on like some crazy psychedelic drug.

[20] And the guy just, you know, the pressure of the campaign and all that.

[21] Just crushed them.

[22] It just crushed them.

[23] Yeah.

[24] But Iba Gain was the shit.

[25] That was what Hunter chose.

[26] That would be a very difficult drug to function on.

[27] I mean, it is a challenge to lie on your back, let alone give a speech.

[28] Let's just put it that way.

[29] What is the idea behind it?

[30] It's been used in other cultures for eons, right?

[31] So the origin of it, they found it.

[32] There's a legend surrounding, you know, a porcupine that found it was gnawing on a tree.

[33] And then the shaman, you know, came and brought it home to his wife.

[34] wife to cook and the wife ate the porcupine and just started tripping out and have this intense visions and encounters with deities and understanding, you know, truth about things in a way that was never possible.

[35] And the shaman goes back to his wife.

[36] She was like, holy shit, what's going on here?

[37] And then so, you know, they looked back where they trapped the porcupine and was eating the bark of this particular tree.

[38] And the tree was the aboga tree, which grows in Gabon in Africa.

[39] And so the shaman took it, got it directly from the sword.

[40] and started using the medicine and the Iboga Buiti tradition was born, which is where the main shamanic tradition is.

[41] And part of the shamanic tradition that I went to go see down in Costa Rica, I went to see a gentleman who was a 10th generation Buiti shaman straight out of Gabon.

[42] So that's where it was initially founded.

[43] And then it gets a lot more press actually for its kind of drug rehab use.

[44] There's a lot of clinics for rehabilitation for like heroin addicts.

[45] and different people like that.

[46] And that's, they generally isolate the alkaloid ibogaine out of the aboga root when they do that.

[47] So it's not quite the same as what we did.

[48] We did a partial extraction, so it was like half Ibogain, but still had a lot of the full alkaloids of the aboga root.

[49] But the clinics, they just focused on the Ibogain and have an amazingly high success rate with detox situations.

[50] And I actually saw a gentleman down there at the Iboga house where I went who showed up addicted to heroin and then just had a harrowing, brutal, like three and a half day Iboga session and came out and he was on top of the world.

[51] I mean, really, you know, obviously.

[52] Is it a mold?

[53] What is the kind of like?

[54] No, it's actually, it's a, it's a bark.

[55] Yeah, but what is the actual, you know, ingredients or the medicine side of that's making it?

[56] Yeah, it's an alkaloid, actually.

[57] So it's the Ibogaine alkaloid is the main alkaloid.

[58] And that alkaloid is found in the bark and in the roots of this particular tree that has this weird pepper -shaped fruit that grows on it.

[59] So what does it do with you?

[60] Yeah, well, it's, you know, the interesting thing about aboga that separates it from everything else, and I'll tell my full experience as well, but the aboga shamans, and the way they talk about it, is completely different than the ayahuasca shaman.

[61] Ayahuasca shaman talk about going farther.

[62] Everything is about exploring other dimensions, going beyond, and bringing back information from those dimensions.

[63] And the Buiti shamans, they talk about going deeper, like going farther inside yourself because inside of you is a soul that has access to infinite knowledge.

[64] So you can actually go inside yourself and find out the truth to virtually anything without having to go outside.

[65] So it's a whole different kind of paradigm that it has.

[66] Holy shit.

[67] And you know, I really, I mean, as we'll get into my story, the lucidity on Oboga is unreal, like nothing you've ever experienced.

[68] It's almost like ayahuasca when you're going farther and trying to be.

[69] trying to get information from these other dimensions, there's a translation issue.

[70] So sometimes it smashes against your perception and all you see are webs and colors and figures and spirit teachers and weird shit because you can't understand the information from beyond.

[71] But at Bogga, it's like yourself talking to you.

[72] It's like the best version of you just telling you what the fuck is up.

[73] And you're like, there's like no translation issue.

[74] Inner voice?

[75] It's like that.

[76] But it's like the ruthless inner voice of truth.

[77] Like you just, can't fudge with it you can i mean there's no even arguing like there's some things that are uncomfortable to think about like you don't want to look at them and it'll just be like stop stop stop bullshitting you know it's just ruthless i mean it's been compared to dealing with your stern father well you know i mean that's not a paradigm that i used because that wasn't just how i grew up but i think for a lot of people you know that kind of voice of reason that's just you know not letting you slide and not letting you slack on anything comes in and that's really what you experience on the on the go scared i'm scared just listening yeah are you addicted to bark now are you like all different kinds of bark this is a brutal experience like ayahuasca it's pageantry it's ceremony you get a flush yeah you get a little nauseous it's fun it bogus is fucking intense is it mixed with anything else no did i mix it with anything else it's not fun it is not i mean it is a brutal harrowing experience like would you do it again or would you be scared fuck yeah i would do it again but wow it's only because of the amazing gains that you get I mean, it's a ridiculously brutal experience.

[78] I mean, I guess I might as well just kind of get you guys into the story to tell about all the physical downside of it, but it's rough.

[79] I mean, you're nauseous as fuck, you're dizzy, you know, you can't walk, you can't hardly drink water for, you know, 24 hours, you're on it forever.

[80] You know, it is not comfortable and not fun, and it's like, it's intense.

[81] But that access to truth, you know, if you're trying to figure something out, unparalleled.

[82] fuck that's like going on the biggest roller coaster i don't know thanks i that doesn't not sound good so it sounds terrible yeah it sounds like you live the perfect life so that you never have to go through that trip yeah he's like hey i have to die once yeah just be the be the nicest person you could ever be in every possible situation always do the right thing so you never have to take your bogus and that's kind of you know it's funny the shaman shaman's very he's very kind of straightforward and he talks to you like a normal like most of these good shaman's dude they're not like pseudo spiritual they're not trying to create an aura of mysticism they're joking with you more than anybody they're lighthearted so he's joking around and he was talking about the guy who was detoxing from heroin he's like i gave him enough that he will never want to do heroin again because he's never going to want to go through this shit and that's part of it i mean it's such a savage process that when they get out they're like not only have they learned things from the voice of truth learn why they were doing it learn why they shouldn't do it learn what it's doing their body they just don't want to go have to see this dude again who's going to just put them through the gauntlet.

[83] Oh, my God.

[84] So it lasts 24 hours?

[85] At least.

[86] Jesus!

[87] There was people there who were up for three days.

[88] It's very similar to peyote.

[89] It's not similar to fucking anything.

[90] Do you just scaring me?

[91] It was unreal.

[92] So I'll tell you how it kind of goes about.

[93] We go fly into Liberia, get picked up.

[94] Liberia, Costa Rica.

[95] Yeah, it's the northern airport.

[96] It sounds like Africa.

[97] Yeah, it does.

[98] Get picked up.

[99] gets set in got a beautiful place like a ton of acres fruit trees coconuts you can cut off and drink the coconut water straight out of the coconut or pulling fruit out of there it's like really nice set up you know and and fine lodgings there's like a lodging place for the for the people who are getting you know treated and going to the ceremonies and then there's the shaman's house with his wife and his little baby who are great and so we get in first day we have our we just get acclimatized and then we do what's called a spiritual shower which is kind of very similar across most shamanic traditions.

[100] It's kind of preparing you for that.

[101] So we go to the stream, did a ceremony where we put some intention into some leaves and let them kind of flow through the river.

[102] And I was impressed with the shaman then.

[103] He did it with a lot of earnesty.

[104] And it felt just very, very honest, you know, about what he was doing and just kind of preparing you traditionally for what you're about to go through.

[105] And then that night, around 7 .30, we sit around there and we're in a little circle and he starts talking and he starts talking, you know, just generally.

[106] about basically faith -based experience and experience -based spirituality and just kind of railing against people who just believe things on faith.

[107] He says, in our culture, if we can't share that experience, if multiple people can't get it, it's bullshit.

[108] And he was like pointing, he was talking about astrology.

[109] He's like, people want to tell me that that star is going to make me feel a certain way?

[110] Okay, you know, I'll go find out.

[111] I'll go check.

[112] I'll go see.

[113] And if that star doesn't give me for me. You know, and that's, they have this very much kind of like a show me kind of philosophy on their spirituality, which is very similar to what I encountered in Peru as well when they were talking, you know, very esoteric stuff about the weir coach and about the soul leaving the body.

[114] And it's like, how do you know?

[115] Like, well, we see it, stupid.

[116] You know, like, we see that happen.

[117] And it's repeatable.

[118] At least to them, it's repeatable.

[119] What is Abayne native to?

[120] Gabon in Africa.

[121] So, and it's actually, it's legal in Costa Rica and a lot of South American countries, legal in the UK as well actually, but it comes out of Africa.

[122] So they just ship it over, and he prepares it in the same way.

[123] They ship them the whole bark, and he does the preparations on it.

[124] So we're going in this little speech, and he gives us one pill, and, you know, looks like about a gram and a half capsule, kind of a horse capsule, with a brown kind of powder in it.

[125] And then he keeps talking and, you know, kind of talking about different things, just pretty normal things.

[126] He was talking about how hope is a prison.

[127] You know, hope traps people as much as fear because people sit around hoping for something.

[128] Oh, I hope this is going to happen, you know, instead of just going out and doing it.

[129] And they have a real kind of tradition where it's like, if you want something, you know, you manifest it, you believe in it.

[130] You set your intent and you go fucking get it.

[131] Like, don't sit around hoping for something cool to happen.

[132] Like, that's just not the way they work.

[133] So it was some cool stuff that he was talking about.

[134] It was going on for a while.

[135] Then he passed around another pill.

[136] And he didn't know how much he was going to to give us he kind of feels it out as you go and kind of assesses you and what you need so we take another horse pill and it's partially extracted ibogaine mixed with the aboga root so getting some combination of both he also gives some people spoonfuls of the actual bark but that's more for a physical detox i think under what he was talking about makes you even more nauseous which more nauseous i can't even fucking imagine how terrible that is so anyway so we start to it's been about an hour like a good hour and a half since we took it and I'm still not feeling anything and I'm starting to get a little cocky and I'm thinking oh man you know maybe I'm just so experienced maybe this is not gonna not gonna hit me and I'm start worrying and maybe you didn't give me to you didn't give me enough so I'm thinking all that but and then you know I was there doing it with my fiance and and she started to drop like she started to feel it right so she moves over to the bed and she's feeling a lot of things she's certainly not as experienced as me so she's starting to feel a lot of weird things and I'm like I'm really not feeling it you know I'm not not quite there yet and the shaman uh one of the traditions in in the iboga ceremonies is you talk to different people you talk to get direct access to talk to their souls they say so whether they're alive or dead you just have conversations with them and that's like one of the main staples of the tradition of their spirituality so whoa whoa whoa whoa what yeah so that so you whether they're alive or dead you're talking to them yeah it's almost like you're talking to them this is what they believe now now i'm gonna i'm gonna put a disclaimer out there but in the state you felt this as well yeah and i'll tell you i'll tell you how it how it goes a little later because at this point i didn't feel anything right so he was trying to ask and you prepare these questions it's different from another ceremony too other ceremonies you prepare your intent what you want to get out of it pretty much across the board whether it's mushrooms peyote ayahuasca set your intent in this you do it even more focused and you actually write questions down and questions you want to get answered.

[137] You know, some people call it asking Dr. Iboga, you know, because Aboga will tell you the answer.

[138] So he actually has you write the questions.

[139] So he starts trying to ask Caitlin these questions.

[140] And she's having a tough time.

[141] So she says, so he goes over to me and he's like, well, why don't you, why don't you respond for Caitlin?

[142] You know, like, have the conversation with her.

[143] And I'm like, ah, I'm just not feeling it.

[144] She's like, doesn't matter.

[145] It's not about the medicine.

[146] Like, you know, you know what her soul would say.

[147] Like, you know how to answer these questions.

[148] And I was like, I can't see it.

[149] And he kept trying to do these visualization things.

[150] And I kind of like half imagined it, half kind of faked it just to get through.

[151] And I was, I guess the question I was answering better than I thought I would.

[152] But so he goes through this whole thing.

[153] And then, you know, and then he kind of finishes with that and he smiles.

[154] And I guess he'd gotten me to the point that he wanted, which was that to realize, that I didn't need to take the medicine to have access to the truth.

[155] And I think that's one of the good things about Iboga is you learn, it's easier to take what you learned there and apply it elsewhere.

[156] So then, but pretty much as soon as he was finished talking, I started to feel like I'd walked into a high voltage shed.

[157] And it was like an intense, hot buzzing around my whole body.

[158] And my heart was thumping like crazy.

[159] And I was like, holy shit, am I nervous?

[160] Like, am I freaking out here?

[161] Like, am I panicking?

[162] is a panic attack my heart's just boom boom boom I'm like thumping in my chest and he starts playing this music that Brian's playing right now and I'm just hammered in my chest and then the buzzing gets crazy intense like around me like like zzzzz like literally like I was in a high voltage tent and things start to get nauseous I start to get dizzy it feels at some point I hear I hear my fiance go I feel like I'm spinning in this shaman just very matter of fact this goes make it stop and then so when I was spinning I was just like make it stop okay and you could you had that kind of control to do it but it was miserably uncomfortable and my eyes started to get real fucked up so we had blindfolds and we lay down and then you know just kind of dealing with this bad experience so far as far as what I'm feeling what I'm going through and then all of a sudden things start to crystallize a little bit more and I start to see this like almost like The only thing I can talk about it being similar to is like the cursor on a Google search.

[163] Like I could literally point to anything I wanted to go and any question that I had and find answers and access that would come to me in usually in words, but sometimes in pictures when I needed pictures.

[164] So then I had full kind of control over this experience.

[165] Yeah, it was nuts.

[166] And so from there, I start going through my questions.

[167] And I had about 10 questions.

[168] and I start analyzing different things.

[169] So my first question was very personal.

[170] It was about what my own demons, my own limitations, things that were holding me back.

[171] And it gave this very kind of, like, in -depth dissertation about the different aspects of myself.

[172] So there was one aspect, which was kind of my soul aspect, you could call it, if you will.

[173] And that some people have called it your God's self.

[174] But that's your ideal self.

[175] That's your actualized being.

[176] That's your soul.

[177] you know the best part of yourself but then there was the mind and the mind does all kinds of things for survival that end up sabotaging what you really want to do there what you know what press field would call resistance you know all of these different games that your mind will play when it's running the ship and when it's at the helm that are going to sabotage what you're trying to get out of life and your true happiness for me it was you know certain fears certain fears of you know bad things fear I might get sick or fear I might you know something bad might happen or worries about this worries about future events that didn't need to happen all these worries and fears which are part of some stupid survival mechanism and you know these doubts that my mind had created and I realized that that wasn't really me that was just some apparition of my mind and so I ended up naming that part of myself you know the dominion of name I named it mind boy and that's that was an important crucial lesson there for me is that not always are you acting under your best truest being you know sometimes you got this juvenile little stupid kid who's trying to fuck up you know your happiness and sabotaging you and that's your mind and so you just being able to recognize that you know was able to kind of put that in its place and uh and make a huge different and then of course the third component is you know the physical being your body the primate part of yourself and And that's, I think, maybe in some allusion to being called clay before, I had the image that it was mud, you know, and so I called that mud body.

[178] And what is mud body like?

[179] Mud body likes to fight.

[180] Mud body likes to fuck.

[181] Mud body likes to eat.

[182] You know, he just likes the physical parts of things.

[183] And that's the very animal side of us.

[184] And that's, you know, that's an important side.

[185] I mean, that's part of the joy and the magic of being alive, but you can't get run by that shit either.

[186] You know, you can't be just on some obsession to cram as much pleasure into every orifice you can, either food through your mouth and coke in your nose and dicks in your ass.

[187] I don't know, whatever, whatever mud body wants, you can't just be a slave to that either.

[188] And really, the key is to try and let that eternal, that best part of yourself, run the show as much as possible.

[189] so that right there that lesson just being able to kind of visualize that you know it was so simple but it's an experience that i'll always remember like even driving around you know concerned about something i'll be like i'll have a worry i'll have a fear and i'm like oh you shut the fuck up mind boy you're you know you're you're out of get out of here like i don't need you right now and you're able to kind of identify what's not to your best interest and just dispatch of it right Do you have any desire to do I would gain?

[190] Of course not, Joe.

[191] I think I'm happy not feeling any of this.

[192] I think that feels like, I think that feels like death to me. That's not, that doesn't seem happy.

[193] I want to do stuff that like makes me happy.

[194] It's like Shrooms makes me happy.

[195] Molly makes me happy.

[196] That's about it.

[197] Wee makes me happy.

[198] I would, I think, you know, depending on what your goals are, but I think that, that all the various psychedelic experiences can offer unique perspectives on life.

[199] You know, but I think...

[200] For sure.

[201] A little different taste of each one of them is going to give you a different sort of a thing.

[202] Hell yeah.

[203] They're different tools.

[204] You might think that you would hate it, but I bet when it was over, you'd be so happy to you did it.

[205] No, it does not sound fun to me. It does, it gets the whole experience as a total.

[206] I mean, it has certainly its positives and it's...

[207] negatives but this this this you know so you have immense physical discomfort but your mind is just on fire i mean you're thinking things really perfectly clearly you've never uh eaten pot and gone into an isolation tank have you i i did actually but i don't have a good i don't have a good relationship that's the only time i've done the isolation tank unfortunately but i don't have a good relationship with with pot like especially eating it no you know it's just not something that i can deal with well it gets me a little it gets me both oddly and paradoxically sleepy and anxious at the same time when i eat it although when i when i smoke it i feel either sometimes goofy but sometimes awesome and lucid so it's that kind of depending on what kind of pot you're getting too yeah and i have no fucking clue yeah see that's the issue i have no idea yeah we've we've discussed that ad nauseum with people because most people in the country that don't have a medical marijuana program don't know that there's two different types of pot yeah indica and sativa I think everyone knows that shit nowadays.

[208] Most kids that listen to this show know that.

[209] No, I think everybody knows that.

[210] I'm telling people in case it's like your dad's listening for the first time.

[211] No, my dad even knows that.

[212] Well, your dad's a scientist.

[213] Yeah, my mom wants to, uh, we're, wants to smoke weed, I think.

[214] I think she's hinting at it and stuff like that because every time she's been bringing it up in such a positive light lately.

[215] And then I talk to somebody else's, uh, who I know their mom, uh, their friends from Ohio.

[216] And they want, her mom wants to smoke weed right now.

[217] It's somebody that you know also, but I don't want to say who.

[218] And so it's kind of weird, and my mom's friends with that person.

[219] Wow.

[220] Well, you know what?

[221] Pat Robertson just turned the corner on everybody.

[222] Yeah.

[223] Pat Robertson just said that weed should be illegal.

[224] Pat fucking Robertson.

[225] Good.

[226] Who thinks, you know, Satan is alive and well living in Afghanistan.

[227] You got to get people over this fear.

[228] It's such bullshit.

[229] I mean, these are valuable fucking tools.

[230] You got to, we got to know about them.

[231] First of all, you know, I mean, it's one thing for me to take it.

[232] but what if we had geniuses taking abigate?

[233] You know, that's what you need.

[234] You need, like, find these fucking people who are on the cusp of brilliance and give them access to these tools and who knows what they'll find.

[235] Actually, I just recently learned that Francis Crick, the guy who first perceived the DNA helix, the double helix molecule, admitted before he died that he perceived the DNA double helix while on acid.

[236] Yeah, I read that, but it's totally like, there's no evidence of that.

[237] you know what I mean yeah someone said it someone said it's completely anecdotal maybe you know maybe but it makes but it does well that is true though the Francis Crick was a regular user of LSD that I think that has been documented there's a lot of those guys I mean why wouldn't you be when you back in the day when no one really knew what the fuck was going on and none of things none of these things become illegal yet yeah and one guy would have amazing results and he'd be recognized as you know a brilliant guy by his peers so they'd be well what the fuck are you doing let's let's try this what's happening here yeah i've been a lot of them did it it's been it's been around i actually finished grahamcock's book supernatural which is amazing isn't it awesome book yeah i mean and he goes through that whole story of so many different cultures back from the paleolithic cave drawings to you know the the temple of elusis in ancient greece in rome where they're actually he thinks eating ergot which is that a some mix of ergot fungus which has lysurgic acid in it i think it is the hero's journey you know that's what i think these psychedelic trips on.

[238] I know people say that sounds grandiose.

[239] It sounds ridiculous.

[240] But when you take a psychedelic, there's a reason why it's called a trip.

[241] It's not an ordeal.

[242] It's a trip.

[243] You're going something.

[244] You're going on a fucking hero's journey.

[245] You're going to be a hero of your own life to sort of reconstruct your own life and get a chance at starting an anew, get a reset button, get a perspective enhancement where you realize the terrible patterns that you've been existing under and you don't have to do them anymore.

[246] Let's get through this.

[247] But yes, a horror ordeal, but every warrior must go through horrid battles to, you know, that's it.

[248] I mean, we don't have, we don't have the external fights that we used to.

[249] I mean, some people do, yeah, UFC fighters, they can manifest that.

[250] But really, those, those kind of external manifestations of testing what you have in a life or death situation, we don't have it.

[251] But where we can find that still is going deep, you know, challenging, you know, facing your fears about death and coming out the other side.

[252] I mean, that's, you know, we don't have.

[253] have sword fights anymore.

[254] We don't have that anymore.

[255] No Musashi rolling around, you know.

[256] That was the reason why he was such a brilliant man about so many different things, which says he had to be operating at full potential.

[257] Impecability.

[258] Yeah.

[259] You're fighting people with fucking swords, man. Jesus Christ, he would always make people wait, too.

[260] Yeah.

[261] He was kind of a cunty like that.

[262] Musashi would always make people wait like hours before he showed up for these duels.

[263] So they'd be so mad, they'd just charge at him.

[264] And then he would fuck him up.

[265] Or it was a gift, a couple extra hours alive if you look at it that way.

[266] Yeah.

[267] Give him a few extra moments and save.

[268] There's like famous tales of people having to wake him up on the day he was supposed to have a duel.

[269] They'd have to wake him up and he would like leisurely eat a breakfast and then go where the hook you're supposed to go.

[270] That's scary.

[271] Is there a scary a human?

[272] No. A guy killed like 62 people with swords in one -on -one combat, man. Fucking A. I mean, to compare that to a fighter.

[273] It's almost like a fighter who's never even taken a hard shot.

[274] Because the equivalent of a hard shot in a sword fight is death.

[275] Well, those days in feudal Japan, too, man. There was a lot of those Ronans just wandering around badass sword fighters.

[276] Like, what the fuck, man?

[277] Could you imagine if a guy rolls into town and he's really awesome at killing people with swords?

[278] How fucking alpha is that guy?

[279] You're going to be terrified of him.

[280] This motherfucker wandering through the street, he's got 16 deaths.

[281] He's looking at you.

[282] He's got, you know, little skulls tattooed on his cheeks from everybody he's killed.

[283] holy fuck man when back then there was no equalizers you know I mean people had barely embraced the arrow right the Japanese weren't really into guns they really especially back in the day they thought it was like a like a cowardly way to fight which is really incredible when you think about it like they were they didn't want to embrace guns initially yeah honor honor was more important killing people with swords that has got to be the craziest fucking thing ever I mean that's why the Japanese culture, the samurai culture fascinates me so much.

[284] What a unique exploration of man in his most terrifying environment and what he does to steal himself for combat.

[285] What he does to keep his mind pure.

[286] What he does to stay completely in focus and in control of his emotions.

[287] Wow.

[288] And the answer is what he does is become a balanced man. What he does is become emotional and write poetry.

[289] What he does is become an artist.

[290] And what he does is work hard and turn his body into a fucking killing machine.

[291] Yeah.

[292] And he balances it all out.

[293] And then at the moment of battle, you remove all the emotions and you find that Zen space.

[294] I mean, those are the scariest fighters nowadays.

[295] Jesus, they're fighting with swords.

[296] You could see it in some of these guys walking out.

[297] The champs like Anderson Silva, John John.

[298] That kind of eerie calm where they're smiling and they look like they're high, but they're not high.

[299] They're just fucking in the zone, like Zen.

[300] That's fucking the scariest shit.

[301] When people are pounding themselves in the head and slapping themselves, yeah, it's a little scary too.

[302] They're making a big show of things, but the fucking killers.

[303] Anderson Silva's got that in spades.

[304] He's got it.

[305] If you looked at it, the one guy who's got, you know, fucking a full hand of aces when it comes to, like, his mental ability, his, you know, it's almost like not even fair.

[306] You know, when Anderson Silva steps in and he's, like, super confident, he's got this crazy look in his eyes.

[307] He's like, this guy doesn't even look a little freaked out by the fact that he's in, like, when he went to fight Rich Franklin for the title.

[308] Dude, he's fighting for the title, okay?

[309] I mean, and he walks in the octagon, and he doesn't even look remotely concerned.

[310] Doesn't even look remotely concerned.

[311] He's fighting Rich Franklin in the USC for the title, and he looks, like, completely calm and totally relax.

[312] A guy who's got that ability to do that in the heat of combat and to execute the way he does, that's so rare.

[313] So rare that a guy comes along like that.

[314] Like, the last fight that he had with Yushin Okami, did you see that fight?

[315] That was vintage.

[316] Anderson Silva.

[317] vintage.

[318] At the end of the first round, he fucking headkicks Okami and, oh my God!

[319] It just, if it wasn't the end of that round, I mean, he would, surely would have probably stopped it in that round.

[320] He blasted him with the fucking head kick at the end of the first round.

[321] And then he just teased off on him in the second, and he look at him, you go, who the fuck has ever been better than this guy ever?

[322] I mean, this guy's better than people that are in movies.

[323] You know what I mean?

[324] I mean, John Clive Van Dam never beat anybody's ass like that.

[325] No doubt.

[326] You know?

[327] He got beat back, you know?

[328] When Anderson, like, beat up Yushan Okami, he's like, Yushan Okami is a beast.

[329] He's a tough, tough guy.

[330] Yeah.

[331] And Anderson just lit him up.

[332] But, you know, it's like he's coming from another place.

[333] It's another place.

[334] And really, that was actually part of understanding that was my third question on this, on this Oboga trip, and it was about belief.

[335] And it was he, Anderson, so to get to that point, you have just infallible belief that you are going to win.

[336] And when it's within your control, I think Bruce Lipton said it well, too.

[337] We do live co -participation.

[338] But for something that you are in control of, if your belief is infallible in something like that, but you are going to fucking win, like you're going to win.

[339] There's no doubt.

[340] Someone can have infallible belief and get in there with Anderson and still get lit the fuck up.

[341] You know what I mean?

[342] If you have a little study arms and shit, you get a tiny tiny jaw.

[343] Yeah, for sure.

[344] Can't take a shot.

[345] But would that person really have infallible, they may think they may pretend that they have infallibly.

[346] But some part of them, some deeper part of them, all the way through the layers would know.

[347] Oh, Okay, but then we're admitting that it's genetically related.

[348] It's genetically inclined.

[349] Oh, sure.

[350] The infallible belief only comes with reality then.

[351] It's not just a state of mind that's impassable.

[352] That's right.

[353] But also, you know, if Anderson Silva believed that he could lose, I think he very well may lose, even though he has the genetics.

[354] I think belief still is a key, but yeah, you don't, there's a natural defense there.

[355] You don't believe things that are just not possible.

[356] I think Anderson believes because of experience and because of the fact that he's, you know, It's not just a crazy mind game.

[357] No, it's not esoteric at all.

[358] He has a massive belief in his abilities, but you can't deny that having a strong belief in something has a huge factor on things, even physical things, even things that you would think would be like meat -oriented, you know, wrestling and fighting and, you know, and things along those lines, but no, you know, this is a huge factor in belief.

[359] belief plays a gigantic factor in performance and your ability to take risks your ability to believe in yourself and in scrambles you know your your ability to make sure that you always come on top a lot of that is mind absolutely huge percentage of it 100 but a lot of it is also the the real thing is the discipline to fucking get your body into condition because you can't that's everything else that one piece that's just the tip of the iceberg that kind of mental state you have to have a solid pyramid underneath that and that pyramid is built from practice training experience hammering day in day out or you don't get to have that little your pyramid's all fucking janky and not correctly formed you only get to that sharp tip you know that final point if you have everything else built UFC fighters are like modern day samurai is what you're trying to say that's it some of them some of them yeah some of them uh for real yeah that's i mean that's to me i mean there's no other sport that's even remotely in the same league as it for that very reason there's no other sport where everything is on the line like that yeah you know you're getting to see these guys souls yeah you know you're getting to see you know what what they put put themselves through and conditioning and and in developing their skills and i heard the last living samurai lives here in los angeles what's his name i don't know but he teaches like classes down down downtown seriously yeah how could he be the last living samurai.

[360] When did the samurai days end?

[361] I think they made that movie about it.

[362] Tom Cruise?

[363] Yeah.

[364] He lives in Los Angeles.

[365] His name is Tom Cruise.

[366] He teaches classes.

[367] Yeah, you have to be We had someone on a podcast saying that he takes samurai classes.

[368] And he was like the last teacher or something.

[369] Yeah, I think, well, I think it ended with that last rebellion that they crushed with Maramoto.

[370] I mean, it was based on roughly loosely.

[371] I don't even think there was an American involved, but there was a samurai rebellion of people who were kind of holding out for the old way and they got crushed eventually by the imperial army so that story i think is is loosely loosely accurate and i think that was the late 1800s yeah japan went through a long period of civil war huh yeah like 150 plus years right yeah they had some serious conflict god damn what a fascinating fascinating culture and to think that when you go there now they're ridiculously polite.

[372] You know, people were saying that's only because of where you were, you guys were in a nice spot, and I don't know, I mean, pretty much everywhere we went, people seemed to have, like, really nice manners.

[373] You know, that was one thing I noticed, like, manners were, like, really at a very high standard.

[374] You know, even, like, among security, there's like they had no duchiness, even the security guards, remember?

[375] It's honor.

[376] When you have to hold yourself to standards of honor, I think it's something that we've largely forgotten.

[377] I mean, honor and this code of honor and chivalry, you have to treat others, you know, with respect.

[378] Even your enemies.

[379] I mean, treating your enemies with respect.

[380] Right now, I mean, our culture is more like treating your enemy with the fuck you, you fucking douchebag, you know, instead of...

[381] I like when you went, uh, but that's kind of the attitude.

[382] But in Japan, I mean, everybody, you know, the more formidable your enemy, the more you respect them.

[383] We did this podcast recently with Sam Harris, and Sam was talking about meditative states that could be reached where you can actually recreate the feeling of being on ecstasy.

[384] And he said that what you would do is you'd first start meditating on your friends, your loved ones, and love and the idea of love until you got to this extreme state.

[385] And then you would turn that love instead of on your friends, you would turn it on anyone, turn it on anyone that you can think of.

[386] And then you turn it on your enemy.

[387] Yeah.

[388] And that turning it on your enemy, like turning all that love on your enemy is like the highest level of it.

[389] Makes sense.

[390] Yeah.

[391] I think that, you know, I was, I listened to that.

[392] podcast and that that was really interesting but it was funny to me to hear that that same guy talking about being in the zone which is you know I was a basketball player and I know the zone and it certainly isn't every time I make two jump shots so whatever test they did for the zone it's not just you get in the zone for making two shots that just happens randomly you do that all the time if you're worth you know if you're a decent player but when you are in the zone and I think you were kind of hitting at it that is that is a moment where your mind is removed and you're allowed to your body just does what it knows what to do and you can get there in every sport and when you do that usually a great result accompanies it but it's a certain way that you do things in which you're not fucking up and sabotaging what your experience is capable of doing and that's a that is a phenomenon that exists i'm sure it's uh called dead stroke in pool when you're playing pool you get in dead stroke or dead punch and you cannot miss and it might only last for one rack but whatever it is for that moment man you you're fucking feeling it man the pocket may be a soccer goal yeah you know at that point you know where the cue ball's going you have you have and it usually happens when you've been playing for like eight hours yeah like you play for so long that's you get in some sort of a weird half -retarded state yeah where you become one with all your movements your mind is just removed that's the most maddening thing to me about pool is that that state that state can be achieved every now and again and that you're always constantly chasing that dragon yeah chasing that when you can just know you can just get out, you just run out, just keep running out.

[393] You know, I've heard it in pretty much everything, even non -athletic things.

[394] I think I did some little, you know, knick -knack stage acting in college, and there were some pretty good teachers there, and the teacher was talking about another very good stage actor who just came out one night playing Othello and just killed it, like had the most amazing performance ever, and they went and talked to him in the dressing room, they're like, aren't you thrilled, that was amazing?

[395] He's like, no, I'm fucking pissed off because I have no idea how I got to that state.

[396] He just found some groove where his mind wasn't thinking.

[397] He wasn't analyzing what he was saying.

[398] He was just being Othello, you know, just really being it.

[399] So it applies to so many things beyond just athletics.

[400] I know it.

[401] I know it exists because I needed to go on stage.

[402] If I can't get into the zone when I'm on stage, if I don't get in there, if I'm not feeling the material, if I'm not like one with the whole thing, then it's not the same show.

[403] It's not.

[404] The audience knows it.

[405] I can see the same words, but if I'm not tuned into what I'm saying, if you're not in that, in that, in that moment.

[406] Yeah.

[407] It's, it exists, man. Exists.

[408] There's, there's moments.

[409] It's just, you can't really measure them.

[410] You can't, because they're so brief and you don't, you don't even, when they're happening, though, you know they're there.

[411] Here's a perfect example.

[412] There's a guy named Earl Strickland.

[413] He's one of the greatest pool players of all time, multiple time world champion, just world, world renowned pool player.

[414] And there was a professional tournament where they had gotten a big and sure.

[415] policy.

[416] And the insurance policy said, if anybody runs 10 racks in a row, which is like virtually un -fucking heard of, there's only like a couple of guys who've ever done it ever.

[417] Nine or ten ball?

[418] Nine ball.

[419] Nine ball.

[420] Ten racks in a row is preposterous.

[421] The idea that you break 10 times in a row and you get a shot at the one is preposterous.

[422] The idea that you mean includes nine on the breaks.

[423] It includes you know combinations.

[424] But the idea that you could get out 10 times in a row is preposterous especially on like a professional table.

[425] Well, they put up a million dollars, and Earl Strickland smashed in 11 in a row.

[426] You can't tell me that guy didn't get in the fucking zone.

[427] No one's ever done that.

[428] Well, the only other 10 -pack that I've ever heard anybody ever running was Johnny Archer.

[429] He broke, and it was a gambling session, a famous gambling session with this Filipino player, Francisco Bustamante.

[430] And he ran 10 racks in a row, and then the Filipino tried to double the bet.

[431] like that's how that's how dangerous those guys gamble in the philippines they don't fuck around it might have shook him out of the zone you know at that point he starts thinking about money he starts thinking about should i take it should i make a deal should i quit you know what about my honor and then at that point you know that's when the just thing about that you just ran 10 racks on a guy now he wants to double a bet how confident is this bitch you didn't even get to shoot for 10 whole fucking games you didn't even get to shoot yeah he's just banking on the fact Like, bitch, you cannot keep that up.

[432] You're going to fall apart.

[433] And you're going to go, what am I doing?

[434] You're going to miss a ball and you might not ever make a ball again.

[435] No doubt.

[436] Yeah.

[437] Yeah, this is someone exists.

[438] It's just impossible to test.

[439] I mean, so you could go on to test it.

[440] But I like what he was saying.

[441] What he was saying was he was coming from a point of cold, hard science.

[442] And he was like, if you look at what it is, if someone hits like jump shots, are they more or less likely to hit their next shot and looking at that that.

[443] at numbers on paper.

[444] I mean, scientifically, I see what he's saying.

[445] I mean, what he's doing, I think, is it's important to, it's important to look at it from that angle as well.

[446] The scientific method is good.

[447] I just think the test is wrong, because you can make three footballs and a row.

[448] There's unique moments.

[449] How do you test those unique moments?

[450] You can make five balls in a row.

[451] It doesn't mean you're in the zone.

[452] Maybe it just means that you made five balls.

[453] Maybe the sixth one is harder.

[454] You know, being in the zone is different.

[455] You know, hitting two shots.

[456] You hit two shots every fucking game.

[457] It doesn't mean anything.

[458] Right.

[459] But there's a, there's a player, like, every now and then, like, you'll see in a basketball game.

[460] Like, you remember that kid, there was a kid, I believe he was autistic, and he was in a high school basketball game, and just fucking sink in these jump shots.

[461] You remember this?

[462] Yeah, I remember that.

[463] I mean, you can't tell me something was going on there.

[464] No, yeah.

[465] Tell me that kid didn't hit the zone.

[466] Totally.

[467] I mean, that kid was, like, the zone of personified.

[468] It was.

[469] The whole audience was going nuts.

[470] He just drained these fucking three -pointers.

[471] Like, no, no net, or no rim at all.

[472] Just right through the net.

[473] that every time it's amazing everything even poker player is just talking to this professional poker player matt vangren and he was talking to him and he's like i know when i'm in the zone in poker i just know what to do i do my mind doesn't have to worry about it i know which way to go and you hit it you just it exists it's almost impossible to test for and i think that's where you got to be careful is just because we haven't come up with the right test yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist you know it's like we're trying to apply tests that don't really work like you could test a million grandmas and see if they can lift a car, you know, but unless you're going to put their child underneath it, you know, you can't see how much weight they can actually displace.

[474] You know, I mean, the test, unless you're some Machiavellian evil sorcerer, you know, dictator, you can't create tests that would put these people in these situations that would create the moment, that moment that defies, you know, statistical analysis.

[475] We need to get in more zones.

[476] I'm never in in zones.

[477] Like the only zones I'm in, like, school zones or phone zones but I've never needed like anything that that big of a zone that's your you live in a different life when was last zone you got into um I get in the zone I get in the zone when I do jiu jitsu I get in the zone when I play pool if I play pool for like more than a couple hours I can get into the zone who's a hard one though it's hard but you know play that off and it's hard to get that that zone yeah that's a it's a fun one though you don't get zone Brian because you're not out there doing anything with your body You don't move around.

[478] You don't play the dance of the body in the mind, the mind controlling the body.

[479] You don't go to yoga class.

[480] You know what I'm saying, Brian?

[481] You're out there working your kundalini.

[482] You're out there trying to keep your chakra strong.

[483] You're not out there doing that, are you?

[484] No. What are you doing?

[485] Smoking cigarettes, sleep until noon.

[486] No, I've been waking up like crazy.

[487] I still.

[488] I'm waking up like crazy.

[489] What does that look like?

[490] No, my alarm clock's still fucked up in Japan.

[491] I'm still waking up at like 6 a .m. For no reason.

[492] Do you use your phone?

[493] Yeah.

[494] No, no, no, I mean, I don't use my phone.

[495] I just wake up and I can't go back to sleep.

[496] Oh, you're, really?

[497] Your biological clock?

[498] That fucked up?

[499] Yeah, and I still go to bed around, well, I's like 11, 12, which I'm used to go into bed like at 4, you know.

[500] So my whole thing, I can't change it.

[501] It sucks.

[502] That's, it's an issue called your circadian rhythms are a bit off.

[503] I thought it was called T -E -H -G.

[504] No. Is there an audit pill that I can take for jet lag this bad?

[505] Well, methylcobalamin is supposed to help with circadian rhythms a bit So you can it's in the shroom tech sport But you don't work out So that's probably why you're getting screwed by it there, Brian I'm taking steroids of my nose for hours you say You can just pick up methyl b12 at any You should be working your nose out dude You can get your nose fucking huge right now I'm going to pick it until I have a six -pack No steroids just Just pinch it Play I got your nose I get a big Wilfr and Brindley nose Oh, Wilfred Brimley Does he have a large nose?

[506] I don't know.

[507] Seems like it would.

[508] It seems like you would.

[509] With a name like Wilfred.

[510] Hiding it behind that mustache.

[511] He probably has the biggest nose ever.

[512] It's probably got a gutter.

[513] Yeah.

[514] I mean, that's why he's got this giant fucking tarpestry underneath it to distract you from it.

[515] Oh, look at my nose.

[516] So I guess to go on to question number four, this is where it starts to get a little weird here.

[517] Question four on.

[518] So I'm lying on my back.

[519] Things are pretty miserable, but I still have that kind of blinking cursor of truth kind of pointing at things.

[520] Right, right.

[521] So everything to this point.

[522] has been in words.

[523] And I've kind of figured myself out.

[524] I learned something about differentiating fear from danger.

[525] Danger is real.

[526] Danger is something impending that's about to happen.

[527] It's a risk that you actually have.

[528] And that's real.

[529] But fear is an apparition.

[530] It's false.

[531] So you were poisoning yourself?

[532] Poisoning myself most of the time.

[533] I mean, there's very few situations where you're scared of something that's actual danger.

[534] It's usually just fear, which is fear is something to be obliterated.

[535] There's no reason for it.

[536] I mean, acknowledging danger is a different thing.

[537] So that was kind of a lesson.

[538] And then again, kind of what we were talking about with belief, just the power of belief, believing what you are capable of doing.

[539] I think other shamans called it intent as well.

[540] Some of the Mesoamerican shamans would call it intent in the Puiti tradition, it's belief in different things as well.

[541] But whatever it is, just believing and setting your intent for accomplishing something is one of the most powerful forces acting within your control in the universe and it applies to a lot of things so i was pretty still except like supernovas yeah i think you need a lot of belief for that but i mean i think that it is an it is an active force in the universe and i think it's you know again difficult to quantify but you know you talk to the people who have achieved many things i think that belief component is uh is an invaluable component yeah i mean if you want to make something happen you've got to believe in it and whatever it is whatever it becomes you know might not have i mean that might not have been what you initially visualized sure and what you were initially we're hoping for but you can steer it into a direction with intent and focus whatever it is that you choose to focus your energy on yeah it's just um for some people it's hard to find something they like for some people it's hard to find something they're into you know it's a it's a difficult little uh yeah you know it's you to say like you can you can choose to focus on something and you could be successful.

[542] For some people, like, at what?

[543] You know, there's a lot of people that...

[544] Yeah, I agree.

[545] And I think the key there, I think there's a quote from Cyrano de Bergec, and it's one of my favorite quotes.

[546] Isn't that the dude that would like, he had the big nose?

[547] Yeah, he's a fictional character.

[548] He would write some shit for the handsome man. Right, it was a play by Edmund Rostan.

[549] And so one of his characters quotes, so it's really an Edmund Rostan quote.

[550] He was the original Millie Vanillion.

[551] Yeah, Dalky.

[552] Well, he was actually writing speeches.

[553] for the other hands.

[554] Yeah, familiar with.

[555] But anyways, he said, you know, I was puzzled with all of the many options that I had in life, and I'm paraphrasing because it was written in French.

[556] And then I decided to be admirable at everything.

[557] And so really...

[558] Did you say we?

[559] So the idea, the idea that is just maybe you don't know, but maybe just be the best you can at whatever you're doing.

[560] Yeah, I think, well, it gives you satisfaction.

[561] You know, my happiness has always come from doing things well, doing anything well.

[562] Whether it's playing pool, whether it's doing a set of comedy, whether it's writing something that I like, whether it's, you know, whatever the fuck it is.

[563] Yeah.

[564] So if you can't figure it out yet, that's okay.

[565] Just be admirable at what you're doing.

[566] Practice doing things in a way that result in success.

[567] And by practicing that, by the time you find that channel that you want to tune into and kick ass on, you'll have the experience.

[568] Yeah, maybe it's not in that same vein, but you have experience in trying to be excellent and striving to be admirable in whatever you're doing so i think that would be you know kind of the best advice for those people who haven't figured it out that's okay but just practice how to do it once you figure it out i think people would like to take just a happy pill and just just sort of skate by with a smile all day if you could give someone a pill and they'd be happy all day but i think you need to at least battle the lows to really truly appreciate the highs you know when I really enjoy California, when it rains.

[569] That's what I really enjoy California.

[570] Because it never fucking rains here.

[571] It's garbage.

[572] It never fucking rains.

[573] So when it does rain, I go, oh yeah, we're lucky.

[574] Oh, yeah.

[575] This is nature.

[576] Nature just comes down and dumps water on everything from the fucking sky.

[577] At its own discretion, for as long as it likes, it pours fucking water on your head.

[578] Like, that's important to know that that exists.

[579] And that's when I really appreciate California.

[580] When I experience anything, you know, remotely like weather.

[581] That's the heart of Taoist philosophy.

[582] Without bad weather, there is no good weather.

[583] You know, I mean, you have to experience both sides in order to appreciate the one.

[584] That's why Milwaukee has Summerfest.

[585] Yeah, because they're fucking stoked.

[586] It's cold as fuck there in the winter, dude.

[587] Yeah, that's why it is.

[588] They're so happy in the summer.

[589] Yeah.

[590] I did stand up there once at Summerfest.

[591] It was, I felt so bad because I got to do my act, you know.

[592] I'm doing what I'm doing.

[593] But I'm seeing people holding their babies.

[594] people were in the background walking around holding their babies and I'm talking about blow jobs and I'm like wow this is wrong yeah this is sad at one point of time that baby could have fit in that woman's mouth so don't feel bad you can't ever have a summer fest in California people are like bitch it's just summer all year long here what you're talking about we're gonna celebrate the fact that it's hot as fuck same in Scandinavia I was there during summer where it's light 22 hours a day that's ridiculous just stoked because it was dark for 22 hours a day for part of the year too that's a shitty spot you need to move go to berg I was out there it was when it's dark all the time people lose their marbles right yeah don't they go crazy yeah what happens it's only like light for like three hours a day yeah and it's just barely it's like it's not even real light sun doesn't pass anywhere close to the top of the sky so it's just this little crescent on the fucker why you live in there yeah but people that need to realize that is not getting any better they're like praying for global warming is what they're doing yeah they're like holding out with hair spray cans blowing it in the air Yeah, they've got charts and graphs and shit.

[595] Well, as far as we've concerned, like now, we only have three or four more years before global warming becomes a huge, huge problem.

[596] Look, here's the charts, here's the graphs, Norway's looking good.

[597] Just buying up coastal property.

[598] Meanwhile, most of those places just fucking sink underwater anyway.

[599] I mean, that's what happened.

[600] That's what happened before.

[601] That's what happened before, yeah.

[602] In case it's a banned aquanette cans.

[603] Yeah, they said there's thousands of cities that people have never discovered that are just offshore somewhere, just sunken when the, when the, uh, their sea levels rose rolls and fun we're always like living right right next to the water you know it's like whenever i drive by um malibu i think two things like wow how bad ass must it be to have a house like on the water like that's pretty badass i have a friend who has a house in the water and we go over his house sometimes and check it out it's like wow this is crazy like he's got a house it's like right on the water i would want two houses though because that's also scary as fuck don't you think oh yeah well it's his second house he's a wealthy man yeah um but his house on the water is like it's a tiny little house and it's like four million bucks i mean it's crazy you got to pay a lot of fucking money to get a house like on the water in malibu but damn is it dope damn is it dope you're sitting on that back porch it's like you might this might be worth it this might be worth it to just sit there like the crash of the way yeah your bed is right there your bed is right there by the ocean are you kidding me that's badass what's our friend like our one friend that owns the comedy club, Sal, he has a boat and he just sleeps in the middle of the ocean.

[604] He just drops his anchor.

[605] That's not the same.

[606] I don't think.

[607] No, that's not sucks.

[608] That guy who gets eaten by a whale.

[609] Didn't that motherfucker read Pinocchio?

[610] Yeah, wouldn't it be crazy though?

[611] Just the wake up.

[612] You feel a little funny.

[613] That's a terrible idea.

[614] You hop off the boat.

[615] Yeah, those things flip over and you drown.

[616] Houses can get jacked by tsunamis.

[617] That absolutely can happen.

[618] Totally.

[619] You've seen it.

[620] Look, it's we're probably do.

[621] I mean, I hate the jinx everybody, but you know, the idea that it's been so goddamn long since a significant natural disaster wiped out a giant chunk of life on this planet.

[622] It's almost like a little ticking time bomb.

[623] It's a little Malibu houses, bitch.

[624] Are you crazy?

[625] You got a house right on the water?

[626] How confident are you?

[627] Do you not like go to school?

[628] You see like Pansperia, you know, the whole fucking continent used to be one thing and it all separated.

[629] Pangea, yeah.

[630] Why are you bent?

[631] Panspari is the meteors that carry life, right?

[632] I'm like, why are you banking all your money on this one spot staying right there?

[633] You spent $4 million.

[634] The hoping the ocean doesn't move in?

[635] What if the ocean moves in?

[636] You're out, you're just no more $4 million?

[637] You're out.

[638] What happens there?

[639] For real?

[640] Flood insurance.

[641] You're on underneath that water, that section of water.

[642] There was one beach in Malibu that was a, I think it was Broad Beach.

[643] It's a very expensive.

[644] It's all expensive.

[645] The whole beach is, you know, Malibu Beach is very expensive, but this one broad beach area is particularly expensive because they have a large section of sand.

[646] So from their backyard, it's a long piece of sandy beach and then the ocean.

[647] Well, someone did something apparently, and this is all anecdotal, conversational evidence, I don't know exactly how this works.

[648] Something changed that they did like up ocean or uptide or up current, like up in like Santa Barbara.

[649] There was something that was done.

[650] And now all of a sudden it changed the way the ocean comes in.

[651] And the ocean now comes in deep.

[652] into their beach and it's they've lost like most of their sand that's a bummer yeah and that that can happen yeah that's all it can happen in a major way also it has to do is go up there and dig some shit and put up a fucking wall somewhere or do something wacky that somehow another changes the current of the ocean coming down and now it takes a little steep left turn and now you don't have a beach anymore well yeah now your house is gone if the poles shifted you know like they say that they may or something like i don't know i'm not an expert in it but if the pole Shifted.

[653] Is there a pole shifting expert out there?

[654] I can help you out there.

[655] It's a real science, right?

[656] I think so.

[657] I'm sorry, if the pole shifted?

[658] I think they have shifted before.

[659] Yes.

[660] That's definitely happened.

[661] So if it's happened before, you think it can happen again.

[662] I'm scared again.

[663] But then at that point, I mean, everything goes on, most of the shit goes on water because all the glaciers melt and then it takes a while for the new glaciers to form so that ice hasn't been bounded up and frozen yet.

[664] How thick are the poles?

[665] The poles?

[666] Pretty goddamn thick.

[667] They drilled into that Russian lake.

[668] Russian, those Russian scientists or the Antarctic lake, it's under miles of ice.

[669] These Russian guys have been working for years, and they finally just broke through and drilled into this lake.

[670] God, I forget the number of millions of years that this last time this was exposed to light.

[671] But there's a liquid water lake miles under the ice.

[672] They don't know, yeah.

[673] They don't know yet.

[674] Interesting.

[675] Goddil.

[676] It's been sufficient.

[677] What the fuck?

[678] There could be anything under there, man. No, who knows?

[679] Buried under the ice.

[680] People keep sending me this link.

[681] You know, 400 million -year -old fossil.

[682] It's a machine.

[683] It's 400 million years old.

[684] These scientists, and you look at it, you're like, that looks like life.

[685] It looks like a fossil of like the bottom of some sort of like jellyfish or something like that.

[686] Or, you know, or, you know, a round cephalopod or what are those sea urchins or something like that?

[687] Yeah.

[688] Like, that's what it looks like.

[689] It doesn't look like a machine.

[690] But people are like, it's a 400 million -year -old machine.

[691] machine.

[692] Holy shit, man. Like, whoa, what are you trying to say?

[693] It's funny that people get so stoked about some possible machine, but really, you know, the most amazing machine possible was around 400 million years ago.

[694] It's called fucking DNA.

[695] You know, DNA is 10 atoms wide.

[696] It's in every cell.

[697] 10 atoms wide.

[698] And it would stretch for 125 billion miles.

[699] Oh, my God.

[700] 125 billion miles.

[701] That's in our DNA.

[702] And so what they've identified is there's only somewhere between 3 to 10 percent, bets are on 3 % of your DNA that controls your genes and so they've isolated that and they figured a lot of shit out about what the DNA you know what parts of DNA control the genes well 90 % maybe 97 % of it they called junk DNA right now that to me is a pretty ridiculous thought in in it of itself because how would this survive through billions of years of natural selection if it was just junk don't you think you would kind of unravel it isn't that just a saying it's just a saying but they don't know what it does.

[703] They have no idea.

[704] Yeah, but they don't really think it's junk.

[705] I think that's just like a saying.

[706] That's a saying.

[707] Well, they have because they haven't figured it out yet, but they do call it that.

[708] Yeah, they call it junk DNA.

[709] Yeah, I think it's just they're being silly.

[710] I think it's, I don't know.

[711] Maybe.

[712] I mean, I might be giving them too much.

[713] But I think that's what they're doing.

[714] But in any case, they haven't quite figured out what it is.

[715] And I was, I think in, it was Graham Hancock's book that kind of shed light on some of the other theories about when you apply that to, to some linguistic theories, basically saying, that there's a theory called zip or a phenomenon called zip theory and that's basically that the word rank and the word frequency are directly inversely proportional so that means like the word the word the has you know has a word rank of number one or the second big the second word that shows up the most is the word of or something like that and that will have half amount of occurrences in language and if you stretch out enough books together as the word the and then the third one will have a third as many occurrences.

[716] And this works not just for English obviously it's different words, but it works for every single language.

[717] It's called zip theory.

[718] It's Z -I -P -F theory.

[719] Here, zip phenomena.

[720] It's not, it's beyond a theory because they've demonstrated a variety of ways.

[721] And then, so the DNA, when they analyzed, so the DNA that controls our genes, the part that controls our genes, does not follow zip theory.

[722] It's way off the charts.

[723] Because you'll form a straight line if you graph it, by rank and frequency, of the different codes.

[724] There's these different codes of the different molecules that form up DNA, the nucleic acids.

[725] But if you apply it to the 90 % that's there, then it follows linguistic zip theory phenomenon.

[726] So basically the theory is that this is some ancient encoding process.

[727] It's an encoding process, encoding and storing massive amounts of information, more information than any machine could ever possibly record, this 125 billion miles of 10 -atim -wide land.

[728] language that's in all of ourselves.

[729] And that kind of applies to a bit of what, you know, some of these different shamans and some of the theories are saying that we're actually accessing knowledge that was previously hidden that's encoded in our DNA.

[730] In this language, the junk DNA part of our, the language that's in the junk DNA part of ourselves that's encoding a lot more.

[731] Really interesting theory.

[732] But the point of all of that is, yeah, maybe that's, maybe that's exactly what it is.

[733] Maybe it's not.

[734] But we are unbelievable biotechnical miracle.

[735] You know, I mean, the champions of technology, yeah, technology is cool and we're doing some cool stuff.

[736] But what's already in our body that we have no fucking idea, how powerful and what it's capable of?

[737] I mean, I think that will be the next true revolution in technology.

[738] After we figure out how to go faster and farther and whatever other nonsense we're going to do, we're going to eventually figure out we've got to start unlocking what we're capable of, you know, accessing those areas of the brain that we think don't do anything, you know, being able to encode the DNA that we haven't figured out yet.

[739] Do you think that places like this place you went to in Costa Rica could exist if they made Ibegain legal in America?

[740] I mean, it sounds to me like there's a lot of legality.

[741] I mean, a lot of people would go nuts.

[742] A lot of people would, you know, they would want to leave.

[743] There would be like physical issues.

[744] They'd be fucked up on this drug running around like maniacs.

[745] You'd have to contain them.

[746] You can't run.

[747] You can't run.

[748] Oh, okay.

[749] That's not a problem.

[750] No one can run.

[751] You can't get like one crazy dude, he's got a weird tolerance for it.

[752] Let me tell you.

[753] So I'm sitting there.

[754] I'm asking all these questions.

[755] I'm going to go back to some of the tops of the questions.

[756] But let's say, so at a certain point, you know, this was after I started thinking about the earth and I was getting really nauseous at this point.

[757] So I pop up.

[758] I pop up and I'm like, I got a puke.

[759] Like this nausea was horrible.

[760] Like ayahuasca comes in a short wave and you go, and it's out and you feel good.

[761] You feel cleansed.

[762] Like, ah, that was a lovely vomit.

[763] Or you take a good diarrhea of shit and it's gone, you know, and no worries.

[764] This was just like nausea, like the worst food poisoning ever.

[765] So I sit up and I vomit and I take the blindfold off and lights are kind of blinding my eyes.

[766] I can't hardly see anything.

[767] And I'm puking and it's just terrible.

[768] I'm just retching up this acidic bile.

[769] It was awful and dry heaving and like digging things up.

[770] Do you do the worst spokesperson for this experience ever?

[771] You're like, well, I learned a lot about myself.

[772] Don't be negative.

[773] And I got out of my ass.

[774] You got to get to the end.

[775] So then, but it gets, yeah, this part is bad.

[776] I mean, this is not easy stuff.

[777] So then I stand up.

[778] I got to take a piss at this point, too.

[779] So I was like, I stand up.

[780] Why don't just piss all over yourself?

[781] Yeah, pissing around, like a man. So I go and I'm just stumbling and staggering to the bathroom.

[782] I mean, you're horrible.

[783] Like, I can usually control.

[784] On ayahuasca, you could walk a tight rope.

[785] You know, you'd see funny shit, but your balance is not fucked.

[786] Like being super stoned.

[787] Right.

[788] Like, you know, like your balance.

[789] and fucked up, even when you blasted to the moon.

[790] Like, you can sort of navigate.

[791] I couldn't navigate shit.

[792] Like, the world was spinning.

[793] It looked like I was viewing through those old TV channels.

[794] It had the horizontal lines of static, you know?

[795] Like, everything was going to, like, all across my vision.

[796] And so I get to the bathroom.

[797] I'm, like, stumbling around, holding the walls.

[798] And I'm going to take a piss.

[799] And I go, and I'm like, oh, fuck, what's going on here?

[800] Because I go to take a piss.

[801] and I look down and I have like the hardest boner I've ever had except it's just the opposite way just shrunk to its miniest, densest form of the tiniest and I was like what the fuck is going on the dick like pulled up inside you just like fucking cranked down to the point where it was like small my dick can look sometimes it's really shocked scary I wouldn't want people to sing even people that know it I know I mean this was like like this was like unreal and i think maybe from the stimulant effect who knows but whatever i was like fuck this is bad so then i started to think at that point i was like all right maybe i should think about pussy or something like that to get my head to get something working right down that's hilarious because you're scared because you dig it's so small yeah that's hilarious oh my god but then that was an even huger mistake that was a real mistake because with truth rampaging in my head the minute the idea of pussy came in my head i started to try to understand pussy and that is a disaster like nobody wants to understand pussy like it's good to be admired from afar without seeing like the biological uses of every different part of it so anyways that was a fucking that was a fucking nightmare of that luckily i got that out of my head before i ruined things for for a while but then crash back to bed but the physical what did that experience smell like smelled like the fucking probably the vomit that was coming out of my my mouth but the physical experience the whole point of that being the physical experience is brutal i mean your body is going through some serious some serious work but your mind your mind is just on this fucking beautiful channel that you can access things that are really remarkable and do you think that this interface that you saw where it was almost like a cursor and you move it was that influenced by your own experience with computers and you think that it was like implanted like well this is an easy way to describe it to him let's just show it to him like totally i think i think a lot of this stuff is just coming from what's best to explain to you how to it's the most familiar way he's used to is a computer screen click on this totally and that's how and that's how it comes to you and that was very evident too because everything else up up to the first three questions were voice like I said and then I was like all right I want to focus beyond myself and you know really kind of get out there and so I started asking questions about other phenomena so I was like all right why not go for the fucking the big one what's the nature of God the universe and infinity you know and so immediately I started getting this image of the universe and planets.

[802] And these planets were like bursting out like the big bang.

[803] And I could see them.

[804] I could see him coming from a point and then differentiating, bam, out.

[805] And I saw him pushing out into this nether, into this void that was like dark matter.

[806] And the dark matter, you know, it seemed like nothing, but it had just the mildest resistance, you know, to it.

[807] And eventually this burst, this big bang goes out and it runs out of energy.

[808] And when that runs out of energy, everything starts to suck back in, slowly, slowly, slowly boom and goes back into another bit into another point which is another big bang so it's like and so i saw that and i was like whoa so this is like you know this happens on a cycle and then i was like i got it i got it that makes sense so this infinite big bang like a heartbeat of the universe and then it then that then that clicked and then what i saw was this giant kind of electronic titan that was like running and the titan was running and the universe was like its heart inside And I was visualizing this like crystal fucking clear.

[809] You know, no words this time.

[810] This is just images.

[811] And the titan is running.

[812] And his act of running was what was keeping the heart pumping.

[813] And that is what it told me. That was the nature of God, was this Titan.

[814] And the reason all that God is doing basically is running.

[815] You know, he's running so that life can exist.

[816] So that the heartbeat of the universe will continue.

[817] You know, he's no, he's not making decisions.

[818] He's not deciding whether the Denver Broncos beat the fucking Colts or whoever else, you know, people think that this God.

[819] up there is trying to do.

[820] No, he's doing the important thing, which is continuing to run and continuing to let that heartbeat of the universe go and allow there to be life.

[821] And that was the force behind it.

[822] And so that, I mean, this is getting kind of really out there, but it's, it shows, it just comes to you, these answers come to you in these questions.

[823] And then at the point, and I was like, well, what, do you think that any of this is like stuff you already knew from school?

[824] I, maybe, maybe.

[825] Sort of being recreated by your imagination by under the stimulus.

[826] I'm not saying that this isn't anything but the best thing.

[827] thinking I've ever done on a topic.

[828] I don't think there has to be any, even when I'm going to, I'm going to talk about talking to other people.

[829] I don't think it necessarily means that I have to be actually talking to them.

[830] But it's just understanding.

[831] Is it a mechanism for you understanding things better?

[832] I feel like a boga is.

[833] Now, with ayahuasca, I really felt like there was something other.

[834] Like I was going to something other.

[835] With a boga, I can explain all of it by just my very best thinking on any topic that I pointed to, thinking that I would not be capable.

[836] of without without in a bogus situation so you know so to finish that and then the nature I was like what about the nature of infinity and then boom like and I think you even have a comedy bit on this and it's about the infinite you know parts of the universe there wasn't just one Titan you know there was thousands of Titans and they were all running around on a circular track and that's the nature of infinity this heartbeat in as many universes as you can imagine and as many heartbeats as you can imagine running forever well if you just think of how big the fucking solar system is just the solar system just the shit that we know just what we have pictures of it you can't even wrap your head around how many miles that is how far away it is to get the fucking neptune in your car you know you can't even wrap your head around it it's beyond belief that anything can truly be that far yeah now realize that that is a fraction of a galaxy and then not even a very big galaxy a normal size galaxy And then even in the center of every galaxy, there's a supermassive black hole that is one half of 1 % of the mass of the entire galaxy, the bigger the galaxy, the bigger the black hole.

[837] And they believe inside every one of those supermassive black holes may very likely be a whole other universe with hundreds of billions of new galaxies, each with black holes, and that's how the universe is structured.

[838] That the universe is massive, impossibly large things that are inside of massive, impossibly, and it just goes on.

[839] and on and on and that fractally forever yeah that's in that but it sounds people say that's crazy that's nuts how is that possible it sounds like nonsense but what are you talking about it all sounds like nonsense space sounds like nonsense the goddamn moon sounds like nonsense there's a giant fucking rock that could fall on us and smash us to bits and it's flying over our fucking heads every day and we're like oh look the moon if that fucking thing fell out of the sky and just dropped on us it is a fucking miracle it's floating in the air above us.

[840] It's gigantic.

[841] It's made out of rock.

[842] It's 260 ,000 miles away, and it's fucking huge.

[843] It's one quarter of the size of us, and it's just floating above us, just flying through fucking space right above us.

[844] That alone doesn't give you a little, wake up, this is all crazy.

[845] You think there couldn't be a universe inside every black hole?

[846] How is there a black hole?

[847] How is there a universe?

[848] It's all fucking nuts.

[849] Of course, there could be stupid.

[850] It could be nuttier than that.

[851] It could be, it goes the opposite way deep down into your own cells, into your fucking string theory.

[852] It could be anything.

[853] It could be massively small or massively large, impossibly large or impossibly small.

[854] And that was, this, so, so how this came to me, I think, is interesting because everything else before was words.

[855] It was not so much like something was speaking to me, but I was cognizant of it in words, everything else that kind of came.

[856] This was pure pictures.

[857] It was almost like words are not going to fucking help you out here, buddy.

[858] So I'm going to give you straight images on this question.

[859] And that was this kind of...

[860] What kind of images?

[861] That was the image of the heartbeat of God, the Blue Titan, running around this track.

[862] You know, that was the only way, I guess, for my mind to be able to grasp.

[863] Sounds like an awesome movie.

[864] Yeah.

[865] That sounds like a really cool episode of The Watchman or something.

[866] I would really love to get it, like, animated by a cool...

[867] Because I have it perfectly visually in the head.

[868] Dude, I bet somebody would be willing to do it.

[869] Explain it.

[870] Explain it.

[871] Explain it again?

[872] What does it look like?

[873] It's a giant blue Titan.

[874] It's kind of a little bit.

[875] It's almost like it's made up of limited pixels.

[876] Like it's not very well defined.

[877] When you see a titan.

[878] Like a giant.

[879] Like a giant.

[880] A mythical giant.

[881] A mythical giant.

[882] Mythical mythology.

[883] Green of color.

[884] But it's blue.

[885] Loin cloths or no?

[886] It's more made of blocks.

[887] Blocks.

[888] Pixillated.

[889] Like large translucent pixels.

[890] And you can see through its body just to the heart.

[891] It doesn't have anything else but the prism and the heart.

[892] And the heartbeat of the universe.

[893] is boom is pumping and flowing out and all the planets are going out and then coming back in big bang retraction big bang retraction and it's and it's running just steadily same speed see that's the nuddiest mind fuck of all time the nuttiest mind fuck of all time is that you know even though we we understand this concept of the universe being infinite we understand this concept of of each individual black hole having universes inside of it would if all of that all of that all of that is just a part of something that's going on inside the atom of a much larger being.

[894] Yeah.

[895] Yeah.

[896] And it really does go on above that as well to this much larger being, being in a galaxy, being a part of another universe that's above, I mean, if this exists, why not that as well, right?

[897] Why not infinite progressions of it?

[898] We just can't be aware of it.

[899] We, you know, we could barely deal with life being aware of what we are aware of currently.

[900] Right.

[901] It's too much.

[902] It's too much to kind of just.

[903] Can you imagine if they tuned into all the other dimensions?

[904] So all of a sudden the scientists have this new fucking television set.

[905] There's a giant Sony TV and they're fucking just cranking this dial and tuning into next dimensions and you get to watch the impossible.

[906] You get to watch a world where physics doesn't work the same.

[907] A world where everyone's made of light.

[908] Yeah.

[909] You know?

[910] What if the government always lied about how far space was really?

[911] Like NASA and like all that shit was bullshit and we would go there all the time, but only select few would go on to the other side.

[912] Like space was only like, I don't know, like two hours up in the air.

[913] And the whole time they just lied about how far the sun was, how far the moon was.

[914] No, they do calculations.

[915] Everyone knows how far the moon away.

[916] Yeah, but because you were told by who, the government.

[917] Black helicopter.

[918] Interesting.

[919] I don't know if I can ride with you on that.

[920] He's getting back to me from my, I don't know if I can ride shotgun on that.

[921] He's getting back of me from my intelligent kangaroo theory.

[922] That's what he's doing.

[923] I know what the fuck he's doing.

[924] This is a revenge yesterday.

[925] Yesterday I was saying, would we allow kangaroos to get like super smart?

[926] Like if kangaroos started eating some leaf and all of a sudden they started figuring out the world and using tools and we drove by the kangaroo colony and they're fucking welding and shit and putting together armor.

[927] Would we allow that?

[928] Fuck no. What if kangaroo's made swords and came into town?

[929] We would never allow that.

[930] No. We don't allow other intelligent life forms to exist and to be running shit.

[931] What if cats could talk on this other side and that they work for those people that get to live on the underside and they sent the cats as like a security guard to watch what we're doing like a really like high -in video camera right well for real for real what's up i just went through 24 hours on a boga i couldn't follow that what's up with the egyptians loving cats why do they love cats exactly graham hancock goes into that a little bit these therium therianorphs i believe he calls them these half feline half um half people basically gods that come out as the spirit teachers.

[932] And I think it's related to the god, what was it?

[933] Ubosti was the Greek cat god.

[934] I mean, the Egyptian cat god, the name was Ubasti.

[935] And it was one of those figures that would appear to them.

[936] You know, actually, I started thinking about Egypt when I was on this, on this trip.

[937] This was one of my later, very later questions.

[938] I was like, how the fuck do they build the pyramids?

[939] And really, good, fuck, yeah.

[940] I was just like, at the end, I mean, you're under so long.

[941] You're just trying to think of, shit to think of.

[942] And so I was like, all right.

[943] And then what I really, what it started to tell me was it was like, well, you underestimate how much, you know, an unlimited multitude of people linked together, unified to trying to do something as if their life depended on it can accomplish.

[944] You know, like how did they move this 10 ton block?

[945] Well, there was fucking 20 ,000 of them who would be killed if they didn't move it.

[946] You know, so they just fucking put enough ropes, you know, kind of this Gulliver's travel.

[947] that's interesting type of thing and they put enough ropes and link them enough together and have enough people playing tug of war and pulleys and whatever and that just you have these ropes that extend I saw this image of these ropes that extended for you know like a mile I don't know how long it really was there's a vision but everybody kind of pulling together unified as if their life dependent on it and that's how a lot of this shit got done it wasn't as esoteric as maybe we want to think it was just just underestimating that many people working together with that kind of intent.

[948] Yeah, but they'd all have to understand what was going on.

[949] They'd all have to be in the construction.

[950] Some of them would.

[951] Some of them would.

[952] So there was like the supervisors that knew how to set up the pulleys and how to attach the right knots that could support a string of 40, you know, a hundred, 50 slaves.

[953] Well, obviously someone did it somehow.

[954] I mean, I mean, my thought has always been they probably had some technology back then that white was wiped out with their civilization.

[955] You know, I mean, essentially at one.

[956] point in time, the Egyptian pyramids and when you would, you know, the Sphinx, like when, I believe when Napoleon found it, it was like covered.

[957] You know, wasn't the Sphinx covered again?

[958] And it was covered by sand.

[959] There was nobody living there, right?

[960] Wasn't that what was going on?

[961] Not sure on the details.

[962] I think it's possible that the people that built those things knew more than we think they knew.

[963] And a lot of that information was lost in the burning of the library of Alexandria.

[964] I think they probably had some machines that we don't give them credit for.

[965] But the most interesting thing that I've read recently is about pyramids is that they believe that the stones were actually cast.

[966] And this guy, he links the water profile of these stones to the difference between straight limestone and straight granite and, you know, whatever different, what is most of the pyramid made out of?

[967] I know the outside was like a smooth limestone, but what are most of the, whatever they're made out of, whatever the fuck they're made out of.

[968] this guy has demonstrated that this can easily be made as cement and they could cast it which makes a lot more sense making like bricks yeah yeah and that you know that's how it was made so perfectly that's how these molds I mean there's one mold they certainly were doing some unique things I mean in the mega list in the mega list in Peru you know the way that they were creating these cutting these stones out they had some tricks up their sleeve I'm not saying that they had amazing tricks up their sleeves just the the fact that they in the great period of Giza is a marvel I mean there's no one No one today has recreated that.

[969] I mean, not to say that they couldn't.

[970] I mean, it might be possible.

[971] But, God damn, what a piece of work that is.

[972] 2 ,300 ,000 stones.

[973] And some of them, they were like, I think it was like the big ones in the Kings Chamber, they get up to like 80 tons or something fucking crazy.

[974] Jesus Christ.

[975] A lot of slaves.

[976] Big stone sarcophagus.

[977] What a badass civilization they were.

[978] Amazing.

[979] You know, when you really stop and think about these people were living like 2 ,500 B .C., they were rocking.

[980] like this.

[981] That's just incredible, man. You know what was another cool thing I got out of the supernatural was that usually we think of King Tutankhamen's tomb as unlooted, completely unlooted.

[982] Well, it was unloaded in modern times, but in antiquity it was looted once.

[983] And the only thing they saw, there's mad gold in there.

[984] Like, we've recovered everything from there.

[985] Gold, riches, whatever.

[986] But they had 400 liters of a special liquid that was buried along with Tutankhammon.

[987] And they found that the residue that makes them believe that it was a common, their potent psychedelic combination of mandrake, water lily, and poppy.

[988] And the residue that they found on some of these urns leads them to believe that.

[989] And that's the only thing that was Jack from Tutankham's tomb.

[990] So that was like the magical pharaoh elixir.

[991] That allowed them to see all these thereiomorphs and have of these visions of people crossing the other side.

[992] And even on King Ramsey's tomb, there's the most fucking mind -blowing thing ever.

[993] It looks like it's called the men with the twisted chords.

[994] And it's like these dudes holding a DNA strand.

[995] And they're like part of the gateway between life and death.

[996] And you look at that and you're like, that's fucking DNA.

[997] Like men holding, like in a line, like just holding these twisted cords that look exactly like a double helix.

[998] I've seen very Egyptian style things on DMT.

[999] I've seen very Egyptian style like physical imagery.

[1000] Yeah.

[1001] You know, I think the, uh, there, there may be something to these, visual experience that people have while they're on these visionary plants that it gets etched into the experience.

[1002] And so like when you're taking mushrooms and you close your eyes and you see like Mayan temples and shit like that, it might be because you're absorbing the experiences of these fucking people that lived in the Mayan temples.

[1003] To be honest, Joe, your house does look like in an Egypt ride at Disneyland.

[1004] I think you would definitely have to think about Egypt shit here.

[1005] yeah here for sure that's that's well more to bet really in uh hindu stuff yeah i don't know fascinated by all that stuff man i think a lot of the the visions that these people uh have had to create certain things certain uh you know like different these these these this combinatory creature that exist in so many different psychological or uh psychedelic states rather um where it's an animal and a person combined and there's like so many of those there's a you know from the old caves it Chauvet down in 30, 40 ,000 years ago, all to, you know, more recent cultures.

[1006] Yeah, there's all of these myths.

[1007] Yeah, I just, what is the fuck is that all about?

[1008] So whether, whether, so there's a couple different, you know, ways you can look at it.

[1009] Either, you know, and Graham Hancock posits this, either these supernatural entities actually exist, you know, out there.

[1010] And you're actually accessing, you're communicating with them.

[1011] That's certainly one possibility, one hypothesis.

[1012] They exist in a dimension that you're too.

[1013] tuning into that frequency of that dimension, and they're really there.

[1014] That's why people keep seeing them.

[1015] The other thing would be that, and this is kind of a little bit more where I'm starting to fall into, is that you're trying to translate information, and that information is coming through something that's very difficult for your cognition to understand.

[1016] So teachers, patterns of different teachers that are trying to tell you something appear to you, you know, and they appear to you to kind of tell you things, guide you things, show you things.

[1017] And there's some commonality into what we see and manifest from these truths that we're trying to get from the other side.

[1018] And it's just kind of a translation technique that that knowledge comes into us and slams against our filter and creates these theromores, these half people, half God.

[1019] So it's almost like it's a different language, and this is how we're deciphering it.

[1020] It's like when you go to Google, translate, and you throw in something, somebody says, like someone will say something to me in Portuguese from Brazil.

[1021] And I go, I don't know what that dude just said.

[1022] Let me go check this out and I'll go and it's always like the translation's crazy it's always wonky you know because it never it never comes across like an English sentence because the language is completely different yeah it's like so that's probably what we're doing so the like the the the experience and the information and the knowledge is real it's just being presented to you through a way that the universe believes you'll understand and that way is created by your imagination right I think it's hitting your own hitting your own filter so Well, that's why you don't care if you're talking to people in your psychedelic experience, if they're real or not real.

[1023] What you care is that you are getting something out of the experience the way you would if you were having a conversation with a real person, that the real benefits are there, whether it's some sort of a mechanism that this higher intelligence, this plant -based higher intelligence is using to transfer information to you, or whether or not you're really fucking talking to dead people.

[1024] That doesn't matter.

[1025] What matters is that you're getting out of this, what, you would get out of this if you were talking to a wise dead person.

[1026] Totally.

[1027] And wise is the key.

[1028] Because Terrence McKenna once said, just because someone's dead doesn't mean they were smart.

[1029] Don't ever listen to ghosts.

[1030] I always thought that was great because I fucking would hate it when people would sit around and fucking hold hands and channel and then some voice from beyond would give you advice and just because you're dead doesn't mean you're smart.

[1031] Can you imagine if you're talking to some dead person that was just really stupid?

[1032] They were dead.

[1033] and they just had these run -on sentences.

[1034] But they were so happy that anybody was listening to them.

[1035] Because now all of a sudden they're special.

[1036] In the real world, they would tell boring, fucking sentences.

[1037] Their conversations were deaf.

[1038] Like, people would come over, oh, here, this motherfucker comes.

[1039] And people would run, but as a ghost, like, now he's the shit.

[1040] You know, as a ghost, like, you could show up and fucking TV shows will be written around this asshole talking.

[1041] You know, if he showed up on Ghost Hunter and started talking to people in the basement, they'd be like, holy fuck, this is a hit.

[1042] There's a real ghost.

[1043] Go to Ghost Hunter.

[1044] Like, yeah, man, I'm huge now.

[1045] You know, people love to hear me talk.

[1046] You guys said I was a run on and then fuck you, okay?

[1047] Because a lot of people think what I have to say is very interesting.

[1048] Imagine if that was a ghost.

[1049] Every ghost, the only ghost that were allowed is people that were so annoying that they didn't want them in the afterlife.

[1050] So they got to the door and they got kicked out.

[1051] So what ghosts are is people that are hanging out on the front lawn of the afterlife.

[1052] What if his name is Kangaroo Jack?

[1053] Kangaroo Jack.

[1054] What is that?

[1055] It's a movie, annoying kangaroo movie from the 80s.

[1056] I remember that.

[1057] What do I remember that?

[1058] It's really annoying.

[1059] What if Jarger Banks was your ghost?

[1060] I think, you know, it's a, man, it's a tough call when you start trying to figure out what's real and what's just these tools and information.

[1061] But, you know, Iboga definitely points you in.

[1062] And the other stuff, though, man, it gets hard.

[1063] That's why when you're doing ayahuasca and things, it's hard not to really, truly believe that there are other dimensions out there at least.

[1064] Well, the DMT experience, which is essentially the same as the ayahuasca experience, although more intense and short, it is the hallmarked.

[1065] of the experience, the one almost universal description of it is that you are encountering someone.

[1066] You are encountering something.

[1067] You are encountering, you are encountering an incredible intelligence.

[1068] You're encountering something that thinks everything's funny.

[1069] And they're, you know, really across the board, though, when you're on these, one of the truths that comes through that's very almost impossible to debate once you're underneath, you know, have been enough of these trips, is the existence of an infinite soul, of something that transcends the body.

[1070] that the body is just really, truly a vessel.

[1071] And so if there is that thing, which is impossible for me to escape from experiential things and a variety of different ways, then that has to have some kind of other dimensional, dimension, if you want to call it, certainly where that, you know, kind of where it operates.

[1072] So, you know, I think it's hard to imagine they're not being another dimension.

[1073] But are there half -lion, half -man apparitions or half -dog, half -man, like a new are these real or are these you know translation tools you know maybe there's just us and then there's souls because I know I really feel like I know that you know as I've seen it too many times souls souls have you seen souls well I've seen my own I've seen my own very early on which kind of started me on this whole journey very early on I saw my own lift out of my body in a dream no under a psychedelic experience what were you on I was on mushrooms and Syrian Rue, I believe, in a ceremony.

[1074] Isn't Syrian Rue an M .A .O. inhibitor?

[1075] Jesus Christ, dude.

[1076] Yeah, it was an intense.

[1077] Oh, my God.

[1078] You're not supposed to do that.

[1079] I'm not recommending any of this.

[1080] Yeah, listen, folks at home, folks at home.

[1081] McKenna had this talk once where he was describing what happened when he combined mushrooms and ayahuasca, and then he fucked up.

[1082] Because, you know, ayahuasca also has an M .A. inhibitor, an M .A. inhibitor apparently makes mushroom experience much stronger.

[1083] And then with the ayahuasca as well, all this together, like, literally was losing his mind.

[1084] Like, it was watching his memory getting eaten up in front of him destroyed.

[1085] That's a bad, that's a bad experience.

[1086] I don't know, whatever this happened to work synergistically.

[1087] So I watched my...

[1088] It worked.

[1089] Like, in what way?

[1090] You got me...

[1091] It completely eradicated fear of death.

[1092] Well, eradicated fear of death.

[1093] I mean, and that's a huge obstacle for a lot of people.

[1094] Then why don't you fight in the UFC, bro?

[1095] Are you having...

[1096] You're scared of death, bro.

[1097] That's fear of injury.

[1098] Are you having like any side effects from all this shit?

[1099] Like are you looking at like a blank wall?

[1100] Is it look like a blank wall or does it look like a floor?

[1101] No, you're more, you're really more loose, more happy, really is the only side effects that I've, that I've encountered.

[1102] But this one early on, being able to see my body distinct from my, from my spirit, that was something that.

[1103] And I've reinforced, reinforced that in further experiences, but that was something, that was something pretty unique.

[1104] And then, and then from there, you know, I learned different things.

[1105] I made some, that was a pretty powerful trip for me, actually, too, not to digress from my Iboga trip.

[1106] At that point, I realized some, you know, synergies between the heaven and hell myth, because I realized that once the soul leaves the body, at that point, you have really perfect clarity on looking back at your own life.

[1107] I totally interrupted you.

[1108] So what were you saying when I, when you were, what were you on the path of saying?

[1109] When you were talking about the Syrian Rue?

[1110] Yeah, well, that was, that was an early experience with a shaman in Mexico, actually.

[1111] How old were you?

[1112] I was 20.

[1113] That was 11 years ago.

[1114] You were a little baby.

[1115] I mean, a lot of these initiates, shit, the boga shaman I went to, he started doing a boga at nine.

[1116] Oh, Jesus.

[1117] Jesus, what can you better be upset?

[1118] You stole that candy.

[1119] Remember when you stole that candy?

[1120] His grandfather had to take it a nine.

[1121] Nine years old.

[1122] Yeah, but for me, it was the first one was 20, and that experience was invaluable.

[1123] And then I was able to separate my body from my soul and realize that this is just, a temporary thing.

[1124] And then make some synergies, too, about what heaven and hell really was.

[1125] Heaven is when you leave your body and you can look back on your life and say, God damn, I did a good job.

[1126] I did the best I fucking could.

[1127] Yeah, I fucked up sometimes, but I lived a good life.

[1128] I treated people well, and the earth and the people in it were better for my existence.

[1129] And that feeling of kind of love and gratitude as you're being kind of sent back to the spirit world, that's a blissful, ecstatic feeling.

[1130] That's the feeling of Sam Harris.

[1131] Just expressing that.

[1132] What you said just now, right now, just to just a plan, that thought into the ideas of into the minds of people plant that idea into into your into your everyday view of life that the best way to live life is just to do your best and be cool to people and be nice and get through this as easy as you can and it can be done by all of us yeah that's the one thing if you're not some fucking serial killer right now that needs to turn yourself in you know virtually anybody can turn their shit around virtually anybody can put themselves on a positive app.

[1133] It's just so fucked that we're denied the use of these psychedelic compounds and denied their use in this sort of a clinical setting.

[1134] I mean, they can have you and bring you to fucking rehab and, you know, take you to Malibu and, you know, you hang out on some fucking place and they give you a spring tea with lemon juice in it and, you know, and you detox yourself and you try to talk about your feelings and why you were really getting down with cocaine.

[1135] I mean, but...

[1136] And then you have a 10 % success rate and you're, you know...

[1137] Yeah, that's not going to really fix you, okay?

[1138] This sitting around and just not being on the drugs.

[1139] That's not really going to fix you.

[1140] It's going to make you relax and then you're going to get this point of instability and you're going to get the itch again and you're going to look to fill up a void.

[1141] Whatever the fuck it is.

[1142] It's your childhood.

[1143] It's your genetics.

[1144] It's whatever it is.

[1145] Whether it's a physiological addiction or psychological addiction, you're going to run and try to stuff that hole.

[1146] That's it.

[1147] That's it.

[1148] It's a sad thing that we know this now, essentially for a fact.

[1149] The John Hopkins University study on psilocybin and the proof, or at least the demonstration that it changed people's personalities.

[1150] Just one trip 20 years ago, changed their personalities.

[1151] I mean, come on, man. Isn't that what we want?

[1152] Don't we want a better world?

[1153] We need it.

[1154] We don't only want it.

[1155] We need it.

[1156] We need a goddamn president to come on television and say, we need to incorporate the psychedelic experience back into our people in order to foster the ideas of love and kindness and compassion and community, the true feeling of community, not just as an esoteric idea, not just as an abstract notion that you sort of pay credence to, but as a real community, a community of loved ones, people who have shared the same experience, people who feel the same way that you do, the agreement that they'll be just as cool to you as you are to them, because we really are one crazy fucking super organism.

[1157] That could be achieved.

[1158] It's just, I don't, I mean, look, you look back on what's taken place just in the last couple hundred years.

[1159] A couple hundred years is nothing.

[1160] But, you know, there was slavery, there was crazy, There's civil war.

[1161] There's all kinds of nutty shit.

[1162] A couple hundred years from now, it's not outside the realm of possibility that some bad motherfucker introduces the concept of psychedelics back into culture, and it completely eradicates this whole system of corporate influence and ruining the environment, and everything is done ethically from then on out.

[1163] Everything is, all energy is focused in a way that can never be greedy, that can never be monopolistic, that it is entirely possible.

[1164] If we keep psychedelics around and keep the open free exchange of information around on the internet and you know we don't blow ourselves up if we can pull that all together it's only it's a matter of it's a matter of how deep it gets into the culture I mean it's already been introduced into the youth youth of today are a completely different animal than the youth of just 10 20 years ago they're completely informed yeah they're bad motherfuckers a 20 year old kid today you can't sleep on a 20 year old kid today they know way more than I did when I was 20 I've had some conversations with 20 year old kids and go what the fuck dude it's legal you're really 20 me?

[1165] What's legal?

[1166] Sleep with a 20 -year -old kid.

[1167] How dare you, Brian?

[1168] How dare you, Brian?

[1169] You threw me off my track.

[1170] But not doing, not allowing this to happen is worse than just preventing people from their best.

[1171] It's actually, it's preventing, it's condemning evolution.

[1172] It's really condemning them to a certain hell is what I realized in this first one.

[1173] It's condemning them to the hell of they're going to die at one point.

[1174] And all these misconceptions and all of the, all of the bullshit excuses and the rationalizations that they've been using to beat their wife or whatever fucked up thing they've been doing oh she's she's a fucking stupid she needs to learn whatever i'm just using a bad example maybe but whatever bad thing about a bad person he's a dick yeah about that whatever bad thing that that that person has allowed himself to do has rationalized himself to do when he dies he's going to look back and go oh fuck oh fuck i was a dick i hurt this person and they're going to relive every single moment of their wickedness with god God's eye clarity, you know, that perfect, infinite clarity back on their life.

[1175] And that's hell.

[1176] You know, that's hell having to think, I did this, me, stupid fucking me, did this.

[1177] And that takes a long time to forgive.

[1178] I think that's that hell concept that's actually based in something real.

[1179] I think the use of and the lessons learn from humbling experiences, whether there are physical experiences, like rights of manhood, you know, rights of manhood, things that challenges that people have to go through, like, the real passages.

[1180] where they feel real and there's a reason why they're engineered I think and a lot of religions and a lot of tribal societies these rights of passage and you know they're not always they're not always sane like some of them are fucking crazy like the New Guinea ones where they have to drink loads have you heard of this no oh do you pull this up on Google because it's the most ridiculous thing ever in New Guinea men have to to become a men they have to give fucking blow jobs New Guinea tribe hold on oh it's the most disgusting thing ever it doesn't even make sense Hold on, hold on, I'm pulling it up on goal here.

[1181] See, but that's just a gay dude trying to make.

[1182] No, but it's a whole fucking community of gay.

[1183] Yeah, but I've heard of fraternities who have some similar stupid shit, but that's really just like a couple gay people in the right position at the right time that decide to make this the ritual.

[1184] Like, you could have chose something better.

[1185] This is real shit, man, and this is a freak.

[1186] This is really freaky, but it is real.

[1187] This is going on right now today.

[1188] Bizarre homosexual rights are practiced extensively by numerous Melanesian tribes, tribesmen in New Guinea and adjacent islands.

[1189] Young boys must accumulate semen for several years either by regularly receiving anal penetration or by swallowing the ejaculations of older males they fillate.

[1190] This ancient custom springs from a religious belief system that regards sperm as the essential conduit of masculine energy.

[1191] Pune boys, they believe, are only transformed into virile warriors if they ingest large quantities of sperm.

[1192] Oh my God.

[1193] That's the gay army.

[1194] That culture, I'd be willing to bet, does not have a psychedelic component to their belief system.

[1195] By the way, these guys are also fucking headhunters.

[1196] The ruthless headhunters.

[1197] They're not living with the truth.

[1198] But I think that just goes to show how if someone gets in early and sets up some kind of tradition, like a lot of these world religions, they just got in early and they got some momentum early.

[1199] And that momentum, well, perpetuate itself in ridiculous manners for thousands of years.

[1200] It'll just go on because they got it early.

[1201] They convince people really and those people tell their kids.

[1202] Those people tell their kids.

[1203] And at a certain point after you've blown, you know, 500, you know, when you're an old man, you're like, where's my blow jobs?

[1204] You know, it's going to happen.

[1205] You're going to impose that on the other.

[1206] So it's this bad kind of carmic momentum that gets developed.

[1207] Listen to how crazy this is.

[1208] It's not just one tribe, okay?

[1209] This is 10 to 20 percent of all tribes and Melanesia, an Oceania region stretching 3 ,000 miles from Iranian Jira to Fiji, have mandatory.

[1210] This is fucking 10 to 20 percent have mandatory boy inseminating practices.

[1211] Boys are separated from their mothers when they're 7 to 14 years old and installed in bachelor houses, in quotes.

[1212] and the Marind Anim of Southwest New Guinea who were ruthless headhunters also These guys are fucking headhunters They're savage They're crazy And they're fucking boys They give the boys To maternal uncles Who top them In anal intercourse for six years So they bang them in the ass For six years The nearby Jaquai tribe refers to the Adult Penetrator As the Moe Anus father Is what it means And the receiving leaving child as the MoMAG anus son.

[1213] Jesus fucking Christ.

[1214] What website is on Playgirl .com or what?

[1215] This is a letter to the editor or something.

[1216] Oh, this is a this is a study on these people in New Guinea.

[1217] This is crazy.

[1218] It was by an anthropologist, Gilbert Hurt, the editor of ritualized homosexuality in Melanesia.

[1219] Do you know like Afghanistan?

[1220] They have like a day of gayness where you're allowed to have gay sex.

[1221] I think it's like every Thursday.

[1222] It's called every day.

[1223] There's a lot of A lot of gayness going on.

[1224] But it's accepted.

[1225] Yeah, well, there's a lot of...

[1226] The cave stays in the cave.

[1227] Well, there's a lot of that, you know, that weird thing that goes on in some of those ancient tribes where, you know, you only go to the women for intercourse, for, you know, for making babies.

[1228] That was the boys for pleasure.

[1229] Ancient Greek, believe, I was also.

[1230] There's a lot of cultures went down that road.

[1231] It's really interesting when you stop and think about how many cultures went gay.

[1232] It's like, was it a lack of understanding?

[1233] Was it, I mean, what is it that led everybody to go?

[1234] Is it more natural?

[1235] Are we more restrained?

[1236] now in our behaviors because we have too much access to information.

[1237] They're just more advanced than us, Joe.

[1238] Is that what it is?

[1239] Yeah.

[1240] How are they tricking everybody into Bonin?

[1241] I mean, it's, gay people must be so mad that, like, back then.

[1242] God damn, everybody was gay.

[1243] I mean, I think they've shown that there's a biological advantage for the species for a certain portion of people to be gay.

[1244] It's kind of like some kind of...

[1245] For decorating?

[1246] No, I think it's just for...

[1247] I don't know exactly what it is, but I don't think for a whole entire culture to turn that way.

[1248] I don't think there's been really a good amount of understanding on that as far as, because I've studied ancient Greece quite, you know, quite a lot.

[1249] And Rome was funny, too.

[1250] Rome, if you took it in the ass, you were, you were what's called a faggot.

[1251] There was a slur that was called like a faggot, basically.

[1252] Right.

[1253] The apprentice, that was a slur if you took it.

[1254] But if you gave it, whatever, that's how it is in Mexico.

[1255] No big deal.

[1256] Yeah, I mean, that's kind of, I guess, what's what's what it's like in prison as well now to a certain, to a certain code.

[1257] I think that's what I, you know, that's what I've heard for some inmates.

[1258] I heard that's what whatever, but if you take it, oh, you're fuck, yeah, that's not good.

[1259] But yeah, I don't know.

[1260] What if you're a prisoner in New Guinea?

[1261] You're straight.

[1262] Trying to get big and strong.

[1263] Come on, who wants to fuck me?

[1264] You're straight as fuck.

[1265] Come on, man, who wants to fuck me?

[1266] I'm trying to get big and strong.

[1267] I will take in so much seam and I will break down these walls.

[1268] They cannot stop me. Imagine if that really worked, if you shoot loads in the guy's ass and it becomes a Hulk.

[1269] Can you imagine if, like, just a certain amount, like, you just keep pumping loads in there.

[1270] It's not like, you can't back off.

[1271] It's not like, you know, oh, I tried to do transcendental meditation, but it got boring after the first hour.

[1272] No, you've got to really get into it for months and months and months before you really achieve any sort of success.

[1273] What if one guy is just taking loads in the ass all day like a factory line?

[1274] And there's a scientific study that has been shown that if your body ingests a certain amount of semen, it realizes that it's continually getting raped, so it grows ridiculously strong to fight off the attacker.

[1275] As long as your body is alive, it's like your body produces super steroids.

[1276] And this is like a new study that they find.

[1277] So one guy just fucking volunteers to take one for the team as a scientific adventure And they shackle him into a fucking thing And it's just like in Captain America And he blows up He gets all huge This guy is just taking dick in the ass all day And after the first month he's just tired And he wants to quit and they're like hanging there We think we on our recent Nick Nolte would be talking to him On the recent tests have shown success We need a couple more days out of you kid Can you do it for America I think there would be people we're in a fun that study, I'm sure.

[1278] And then Palin's husband maybe forming a...

[1279] You love gay humor, man. It's so funny.

[1280] Like, everything is gay.

[1281] Only accidentally gay.

[1282] Or if you get tricked it and doing gay.

[1283] It's so funny, though.

[1284] I love when gay people trick people into sex.

[1285] I got a...

[1286] Have you ever been propositioned by a guy?

[1287] Not seriously.

[1288] Like, never where I was like, oh, right.

[1289] It was more jokingly.

[1290] I got a proposition by gay comic.

[1291] We thought he was being cute It was really uncomfortable Who?

[1292] I wouldn't say his name He's a loser Is it right?

[1293] He wouldn't say his name I don't even know his name anymore I really wouldn't know his name But he was really like aggressive with it I was like come on dude You know I'm not gay Stop it Stop and then I had to go Dude get the fuck out of here You creepy cunt Like this is like What a woman feels like When some guy wants to fuck I'm like Ew how gross And I was like How dare he think he could fuck me Even if I did go gay Silly bitch Yeah That's funny Like you wouldn't have your standards so high.

[1294] I mean, something like, if I'm going to give up my ass for the first time, it's going to be like Elton John.

[1295] You know what I'm saying?

[1296] George Michaels or something, man. I want to go with someone famous and gay with a lot of power that, like, talked me into it.

[1297] I don't want to, some shit comedian that can't even open for me. I wouldn't even take you with me on the road.

[1298] And you're going to fuck me. How dare you?

[1299] Right, Brian?

[1300] Yeah, that was, I think that was the main aphrodisiac in ancient Greece.

[1301] was not necessarily physical appearance, but like Socrates, for example, ugly motherfucker, but he fucked everybody.

[1302] Yeah, Socrates had a lot of gay sex, right?

[1303] Didn't you have a lot of gay sex?

[1304] A lot, tons.

[1305] Everybody wanted to fuck Socrates because he was so brilliant.

[1306] It would be funny.

[1307] Like, that was what, that's what got him going back.

[1308] If that was on, it was the government mandate that that would be included on every Socrates quote that you put on Twitter, by the way, he had tons of gay sex.

[1309] Socrates is super wise with the soul and the spirit and the transcendent journey.

[1310] And then underneath it, Socrates, by the way, he had tons of gay sex.

[1311] Tons of gay sex.

[1312] They called me pink socrates.

[1313] Tons of gay butt sex.

[1314] Yeah, all of those people.

[1315] Even the most, you know, incredible warrior leaders like Alexander the Great, you know, conquered the known world at 25 also had a lot of tons of butt sex, right?

[1316] He was a great leader, by the way.

[1317] I've been reading some of Pressfield's works and, you know, talking about him, some of his research.

[1318] Some of his stories on leadership are pretty.

[1319] pretty epic like for example at some point they were deep and into india and the troops were fucking tired and pissed off they're getting mosquito bit and they're in swamps and they're fighting elephants and it's terrifying and it sucks and they are about to mutiny and so Alexander who always led from the front on his horse bucephalus with his you know big red plume on his helmet you know and it'd been in at the forefront of every one of these scuffles just starts taking off all his armor and strips like completely down to nothing and he shows all the scar on his body and he says who amongst you has more scars than me that man comes forward and I'll take you home and everybody looks at each other and they realize nobody had and they started cheering they're like we're gonna follow you to the end of the world what if that never happened though some asshole just wrote it later that was the real problem with history man someone write something that someone said really cool meanwhile they were like a little but he had to fucking done some oh yeah for sure push his troops that far unquestionably but you know when you attribute quotes to someone from that far back Like, good luck with that.

[1320] Good luck with that.

[1321] We know how that goes.

[1322] I've heard stories about me that weren't true.

[1323] You know, you ever talk to someone from high school and they go, remember that time you did that?

[1324] You broke into the fire house and you set everything on fire and you, like, what are you talking about?

[1325] I didn't do anything like that.

[1326] I didn't do anything like that.

[1327] You don't remember?

[1328] That person was the history, right?

[1329] That person would probably been telling the story about you, how you set a fucking house on fire or something.

[1330] You know, and make up, fill in the blank with whatever the fuck craziness you did.

[1331] There's all kinds of weird stuff with histories being reported.

[1332] In ancient China, some of the histories get.

[1333] really fucked up because you couldn't tell the emperor when he was doing something wrong.

[1334] You'd get killed.

[1335] So what they used to do is they used to tell histories of weird things happening in nature.

[1336] Like, and this day we saw the geese flying backwards.

[1337] And that's what they would say to the emperor because he was the center of the universe.

[1338] So when he was fucking up, the universe would start fucking up.

[1339] So that was their way of telling the emperor that he was doing something wrong as it was like, this day a horse gave birth to a pig.

[1340] And the emperor would be like, hmm, I must be doing something wrong.

[1341] Really?

[1342] If horses are giving birth to pigs.

[1343] So you have these histories.

[1344] So that's how they influence the emperor?

[1345] That's how they influence the emperor.

[1346] What if they got like too cocky?

[1347] Did they ever get too cocky?

[1348] The fat stupid pig led the empire in the wrong direction.

[1349] Who is this bitch?

[1350] Kill that motherfucker for being so obvious.

[1351] Your hack work.

[1352] That was the game.

[1353] That was the game.

[1354] You had to fucking abide by that.

[1355] So definitely he said drag that bitch.

[1356] You're going to have to work on your storylines.

[1357] That's craziness.

[1358] That's craziness, man. So then, I guess, to finish off this trip here, so...

[1359] How do you remember all this?

[1360] It was incredibly lucid.

[1361] Did you take video notes or audio notes or anything?

[1362] I wrote it down after I was done.

[1363] But, you know, here's the deal that's really something.

[1364] Like you do ayahuasca, right?

[1365] You start it at night, you know?

[1366] You take it maybe eight o 'clock.

[1367] It's usually around dusk.

[1368] It seems to be kind of consistent.

[1369] You never take it like right in the noon.

[1370] You know, it's very rare that you'll do a day ceremony.

[1371] So you do it at night.

[1372] And so you go through and you finish, around three o 'clock because ayahuasca gets out of your system by about eight hours and it's this very dreamlike magical experience and then you go to sleep and have a very dream like dream like dream experience so you wake up already and you're like weird that was weird you know but aboga you're up for so fucking long are you eating at all you can hardly eat it's like being under an intense stimulus so you're like barely like sipping like a tiny bit of water to keep your mouth you know keep your mouth It's horrible.

[1373] Sounds like he could almost die.

[1374] Yeah.

[1375] Because anybody ever died of dehydration?

[1376] He's been a 10th generation shaman and no one's died in his whole.

[1377] Hot as fuck down there too, right?

[1378] Sweat a lot?

[1379] It's not too bad.

[1380] Not too bad.

[1381] It's a good time of year, though, I guess, to be out there in Costa Rica.

[1382] Does he have summertime ones when you go all crazy apocalyptic now?

[1383] Martin Sheen in the hotel room?

[1384] You remember that shit?

[1385] Here's your wet sponge to wipe your head with.

[1386] But it's, I mean, the recall from it is, I guess if you go too deep, you can't recall anything like Graham Hancock in his report he has a lot of the same start but then at a certain point he blacked out because you just went to like the vibrations and whatever happened got too intense where he didn't remember it well whatever my dose was allowed me to maintain a pretty lucid consciousness and then the fact that I didn't go to sleep for like 30 hours after I took it I got to really think about it and let it set in and there was no confusion with having to go to sleep so that's why I was able to recall all of these things and you know kind of great detail You also, they encourage you to bring a voice recorder, which I, you know, mumbled some random things.

[1387] But I ended up remembering, you know, pretty much what I mumbled anyways into that voice recorder.

[1388] Did you have a voice activated one or it just picked it up?

[1389] No. So you don't have to.

[1390] That would have been cool.

[1391] That's some technology that I would highly recommend.

[1392] I didn't even know that existed.

[1393] Oh, that's old school.

[1394] They had those forever.

[1395] That's sweet.

[1396] If anybody, you know, decides to go do this, I would recommend that because it does get tough to remember stuff.

[1397] And you can't write.

[1398] I mean, trying to look at a page or a screen with your eyes.

[1399] eyes, just forget about it.

[1400] Your eyes are fucking blowing out.

[1401] Were you making any sounds at all?

[1402] Were you just laying there?

[1403] Or were you, like, moaning?

[1404] No. No, I wasn't.

[1405] I make a habit of not trying to moan.

[1406] Yeah, that's the important experience is.

[1407] The beginning of love to love you, baby.

[1408] Oh, love to love you, baby.

[1409] Well, it sounds like you can talk.

[1410] So you can talk to, the Ashaman encourages you to talk openly if you want.

[1411] And there was sometimes where I'd go to ask them questions, but the moment you form a question, you get the answer.

[1412] So it was funny.

[1413] it became like a funny thing like I would ask them like what how long you know blah blah till I'm able to do it and I would get the answer be like oh that'll be about five or six hours and I would just kind of laugh because I was getting my questions answered by the aboga before I could ask about aliens I did you asked about aliens I asked about aliens and this gets really kind of this gets really weird here when we're asking about aliens so so I asked it I asked about aliens I was like what's you know what's going on with aliens and basically what they had told me is that aliens have been had a direct interest in the fostering and development of life on Earth and bringing us to a point of sentience and they've had an active role in that but the reason that they've been doing that is not so much to affect our physical bodies or affect our minds but this is where it gets weird and I'm going to couch this saying this is just a theory I don't know if I'm like I'm not going to stand by it.

[1414] You're tripping balls right and you get this idea and you run with yeah exactly so so what it what they're doing is they're they're tweaking our DNA to allow a different type of soul the more advanced soul to allow to enter the human body and be able to direct our decisions so basically they're saying like there's different types of souls that can access certain DNA so like a chimp DNA like a chimp like a human soul once it's been human you can never go back to chimp because just what the chimp is able to do what he's able to think about the soul just wouldn't fit in that DNA life form, right?

[1415] But there's other souls more advanced than humans, right?

[1416] So they've been modifying slightly the DNA of humans to allow these more advanced souls to be able to enter these human bodies.

[1417] And that's, that was like, I was, I was not expecting that at all.

[1418] And that's what it was just like, boom, just straight up told me. And I was like, really?

[1419] It's like, really, bitch.

[1420] Like, this is what's going on.

[1421] They're allowing, you know, that different access to a whole new level of souls to help take us to the point where we can not blow ourselves up and create, you know, fully sentient beings.

[1422] Did they express that this would be an evolutionary thing or a progressive thing or would it just be they would come down and metal spaceships?

[1423] They've been doing it is what is what the message was.

[1424] Do you feel you have an advanced soul?

[1425] Yes or no?

[1426] You know, I mean, there is, I do feel like I have some, you know, some advantages that are that I feel very blessed to have you know I feel like I can handle the psychedelic experience very well and I think that's certainly you know I don't give myself credit for that like I kicked ass and that's why I got I think I was something that was innate and I was blessed to have so you think you're blessed to be good at taking psychedelics I think the way that I think the the way that I can get information from it I feel like you know if I have one you know one innate talent, you know, in this arena, you know, that would be it.

[1427] I don't think I'm any genius or I'm any, you know, magical person in any ways.

[1428] I think you're just a thoughtful guy.

[1429] I think a thoughtful person who has an intense experience is going to be able to withdraw something from.

[1430] Maybe.

[1431] Why would you have that?

[1432] And also, you've got your mind and your, your eyes on progress.

[1433] You were trying to improve as a human being.

[1434] It's one of the most important things for everybody.

[1435] When people get old and they fall apart, one of the reasons why they really fall apart is because they don't have anything they're trying to do anymore.

[1436] They don't have anything they're trying to accomplish anymore.

[1437] They don't have a passion anymore.

[1438] There's things that stimulate you, you know, whatever it is.

[1439] You're a craftsman or a, you know, I went to visit this guy that makes pool cues when I was in Chicago.

[1440] It's got Joe Gold.

[1441] And he's like, he makes this pool cue that's very famous.

[1442] It's called the cognoscenti.

[1443] And it's one of the, like, most sought after cues in the world because he was like a really high level player when he was younger too.

[1444] And this dude's, you know, he's in his 60s.

[1445] He smokes like fucking three.

[1446] packs of cigarettes a day you know he's not eating healthy yeah and he's and he'll tell you like you talk to him about uh cancer and he's like you need to get it don't get it i'm not gonna get it you know like some people can just smoke cigarettes they don't get it that's heavy chicago accent but this dude like you talk to him about his cues and you know like you could like you see the passion and what he does like the the the the pride that he has for what he's created and you know the there's a very few people that are like known in the world to make great instruments in any sort of a, whether it's musical instruments or a game tool, like a pool cue or something like that.

[1447] And when there's a guy, it's like a real master craftsman, the one thing that you find, inevitably always, in all these guys, is this passion for what they do.

[1448] Totally.

[1449] You know, this desire to create something that they really feel proud of.

[1450] You know, the creative force inside of us is the most the thing that gives you the most happiness, the things that give you the biggest feeling of reward.

[1451] You know, Like this, I mean, this is not really, it doesn't seem like it's creative because it's kind of just free full fuck fest, this podcast that we do.

[1452] But this is the most rewarding thing that either me or Brian, I think, is ever done.

[1453] Have you done anything that's more rewarding than this?

[1454] No, except pussy.

[1455] It's sad pussy.

[1456] I don't think it works that way.

[1457] So rewarding?

[1458] Yeah.

[1459] Well, that's better.

[1460] I agree that that's better.

[1461] But, you know, and what is it?

[1462] It's because you're putting out a lot of creativity.

[1463] You're putting on a lot of stuff.

[1464] Like, people are getting something out of it.

[1465] And the more you put out, the more people get out of it.

[1466] And then it becomes like this super rewarding, like happy, good feeling thing that just keeps you going.

[1467] Well, you're creating a positive feedback loop, which is really cool.

[1468] And even someone's creating cues, you know, you create a masterful piece.

[1469] Every time someone strikes the ball with that, you know, cue, you're creating this positive feedback loop, which is really cool.

[1470] But some people don't have anything they like doing.

[1471] That's just really what's fucked up.

[1472] Is it true that we need a queen and we also need workers?

[1473] Is it, do we have worker bee humans that are just out there just fucking barely, barely able to figure out how to like walk to the car hit the button open the door i really i think there i think there are certain people who have you know different gifts than other people maybe different proclivities different talents you know i don't think the talent level is the same but i think even if it's the most menial task you can do that task with your eye on with your eye on something else the trash man can be a trash man with the idea that you know this must happen for society to function and be good and this has to happen or we'll have like france was during the riots and fucking garbage everywhere right like i am doing my part in that but meanwhile their eye is on a different prize maybe they want to master you know whatever else it is there's very little crafts and things everything's kind of mass produced so that's tough too because some of these people some of these trash men might have been great fucking blacksmiths or something like that but those skills you know it's very hard to make something or do something so they put themselves into bud wiser and football or whatever and they're super kind of not happy so it's a challenging time no doubt but i need you to make it horseshoes stupid yeah yeah exactly there's not those kind of skills and that would be super rewarding to make like a sword or no horseshoe even to this day if you're hammering something there's fire and i watched this special on um one of the history channel or something like that was a thing with mark de costcos you remember that guy he was a martial arts guy from did a bunch of movies like a capo era movie a bunch of movies um he went to japan and he went to japan and and went to, it was a lot of it was on Musashi and a lot of it was also on the construction of the samurai swords and they went to this dude who still make samurai swords the old way and they were hammering the steel and folding it.

[1474] Oh, it's fucking badass, man. It makes you want to see a samurai movie.

[1475] Like, come on, bitch, bring it!

[1476] You know, they're hammering it, ching!

[1477] I mean, and then they show the blade after this guy's done with, you know, countless hours of perfecting this and slicing it into water when it's red hot, and then hammering on it.

[1478] I mean, it's fucking an amazing craft, you know, the creation of samurai swords.

[1479] And you look at the blade.

[1480] You see the etchings and the line.

[1481] It looks like wood grain on it.

[1482] It's been folded so many times.

[1483] The idea, what people don't understand is they flatten out a piece of steel, and then they fold it over, they heat it up, and they slam it together somehow with a hammer, and then they keep doing that over and over and over and over and over.

[1484] Like kneading dough.

[1485] Insanely strong steel.

[1486] Just insanely strong.

[1487] And then after this guy does that, he steps outside and chops this, this bamboo stalk in half.

[1488] It's so fucking badass.

[1489] Yeah.

[1490] It's just so badass.

[1491] Okami, tatami.

[1492] It's so nice that people still know how that guy does that.

[1493] It's so important because that's got to go away, right?

[1494] I mean, we're lucky that we have a window into the Japanese samurai sword making, you know, because that could easily, a hundred years from now, that could be like dust in the wind.

[1495] You know, nobody knows how to do it anymore.

[1496] You can't watch it anymore.

[1497] There's no video.

[1498] You know, we lost it all.

[1499] It's all on DVDs.

[1500] and now everything's in the clouds, and so there's no more samurai shit.

[1501] Yeah.

[1502] You know, we could forget that critical part of history where people had figured out this insane, you know, way to construct a sword.

[1503] Yeah, those swords, I've actually been looking at some of those.

[1504] Some of them go for, they're called Nihonto, the blades that are authentic made by Japanese craftsmen signed on the bottom underneath, and they'll go for like a hundred grand.

[1505] Jesus Christ, right!

[1506] A hundred grand.

[1507] You look up Nihonto blades and, like that.

[1508] There's some, actually, there's some pretty good U .S. sword makers apparently doing stuff.

[1509] one guy named Howard Clark making some pretty cool swords.

[1510] Really?

[1511] There's actually polishers too.

[1512] So if you're going to buy a sword that's custom made, you spend like $5 ,000 for the blade, and then you can spend like $3 ,500 on Jumbdu just polishing it, giving it that, you know, that I forget what it's called, but on the blade, that kind of mirror frosting that looks like the, looks like how it is, and you'll spend $3 ,500 just getting it properly, the Hamon, they call H -A -M -O -N, you get it 3 ,500 getting it polished, and then you get it mounted.

[1513] you put the suba on you wrap it up you do all the things so you're you know handmade sword you're still in it for about 10 grand these days how many years was it where people just fought with swords how many years was that before they figured out like arrows and then arrows were pretty early were they before they figured out when the swords had to come before arrows no you think clubs with spikes and shit yes but swords and spears spears spears were around pretty early but arrows arrows were around pretty Can you imagine how bad?

[1514] Because they had slings.

[1515] So they had that concept of that sling.

[1516] The sling spear was one of the first ones where you put the spear in the little notch.

[1517] Yeah, it's like a wooden handle thing.

[1518] Yeah, and the momentum kind of hucks it.

[1519] And then figuring out the arrows from there.

[1520] That's amazing that they figured that out, actually.

[1521] Yeah, the cavemen figured that out.

[1522] That was pretty cool.

[1523] Then the Mongols were the ones who really advanced the bow.

[1524] Because the English bow, the long bow, that was nowhere near the range of the Mongol recurve bow.

[1525] Really?

[1526] The Mongols were the ones that invented the recurve bow, and that gave them some insane range.

[1527] Smaller bow, and the way that it's bent back double allowed them to have way outshute the other archers, which is one of the technological advancements that allowed them to conquer so much of the Westwood.

[1528] They know that they would come up with some Ted Nuget -type shit in the future.

[1529] I have a compound bow and a rubber pig, and I shoot that fucker in my backyard sometimes.

[1530] God damn, those arrows go fast.

[1531] They do.

[1532] I got a 60 -pound pole one because I'm fucking manly shit, bro.

[1533] Check that shit out.

[1534] right there but um the arrows fly off that bow man it's scary you know they're like some serious projectiles remember bow and luke duke they had to uh use bows and arrows because they were felons and they weren't allowed to have guns remember that and the dukes of hazard real vaguely that's why they had bows that's how i first found out about compound bows watching the dukes of hazard do you have one of those they have one of the new ones that's like really small there are some that were long they look like regular bows but now they've like compressed them yeah it's not very big it's about this big yeah that's not like that's one of the new ones like an english bow or anything yeah yeah the newer ones are smaller those amazon bows they're like fucking nine feet long yeah or the old japanese bows it's like a giant piece of bamboo yeah do you ever seen that photo of uh there's uh people flying over in a plane there's a tribe and they got their arrows pointed uh at the uh cameras no i haven't seen it you've seen that picture apparently it's fake it was a super bummer because it was like an unlead up Yeah, it was a, you know, a tribe, an undiscovered tribe found.

[1535] And they're like, all right, there's going to be something flying and point you're else.

[1536] Meanwhile, they just dressed all these assholes up and put fucking red paint on them and shit.

[1537] And they made them look really crazy.

[1538] Like they covered their whole body in red paint.

[1539] And one of them was like all blue.

[1540] It was pretty nutty.

[1541] What you were talking about earlier about the vision that you had, about stars exploding and shit like that.

[1542] I asked Brian to pull this video up by Neil Tyson because it's one of the most badass and inspirational things.

[1543] It's Neil de Grassee Tyson, if you've never heard of him.

[1544] It's this really fucking cool guy who is not just an astrophysicist.

[1545] What is his exact credentials?

[1546] Whatever it is.

[1547] He's a super genius fucking...

[1548] Astrophysicist.

[1549] Astrophysicist.

[1550] But what he's really...

[1551] He also is, he has a great personality.

[1552] And the way he explains things.

[1553] He's like a really, really likable guy.

[1554] And the way he explains things is so smooth and so brilliant that, you know, it really makes you absorb these ideas and these images because you like him so much because he seemed like such a likable guy and he had this one that it was somebody tweeted it to me and it's something that I knew but it's something that when you hear it again especially hearing it from him makes it sound so crazy when you think about how what is the most human is constructed you can share with us about the universe the most astounding fact the most astounding fact is the Knowledge that the atoms that comprise life on Earth, the atoms that make up the human body, are traceable to the crucibles that cooked light elements into heavy elements in their core under extreme temperatures and pressures.

[1555] These stars, the high mass ones among them, went unstable in their later years.

[1556] they collapsed and then exploded scattering their enriched guts across the galaxy guts made of carbon nitrogen oxygen and all the fundamental ingredients of life itself these ingredients become part of gas clouds that condense collapse form the next generation of solar systems stars with orbiting planets and those planets now have the ingredients for life so that when I look up at the night sky and I know that yes we are part of this universe we are in this universe but perhaps more important than both of those facts is that the universe is in us when I reflect on that fact I look up many people feel small because they're small and the universe is big but I feel big because Because my atoms came from those stars.

[1557] There's a level of connectivity.

[1558] That's really what you want in life.

[1559] You want to feel connected.

[1560] I want to feel relevant.

[1561] I want to feel like you're a participant in the goings -on of activities and events around you.

[1562] That's precisely what we are just by being alive.

[1563] God damn, that dude's a bad motherfucker.

[1564] Yeah, he is.

[1565] That's amazing that came off a question, too.

[1566] Yeah, it was so beautiful.

[1567] He does that left and right all day.

[1568] That's what he does.

[1569] Go on the Internet.

[1570] Neil de Grossey -Tyson all day.

[1571] He's got just all these amazing videos of him breaking down things in such an entertaining way.

[1572] I mean, and he's such a nice guy.

[1573] He was even on Bill Marshow, and he was in debating with some guy from GM was trying to say that climate change is not man -made, and he was like really being polite about when the guy was like talking about the science behind.

[1574] He was like, that's not true.

[1575] Well, he was really being very nice in how he shut the guy down.

[1576] Like a master fighter when he spars with an amateur, he doesn't try and...

[1577] Yeah, he was, well, this guy's a fucking, a gigantic corporate, you know, a monster, a guy who's in charge of a huge company that probably does a fuckload of polluting the environment and doesn't want anything to change as far as regulation is concerned.

[1578] So he's spouting out a bunch of bullshit and a genius, you know?

[1579] But the idea that we are actually made out of stardust, and such a fuck, such a complete mind fuck.

[1580] It is.

[1581] It's such a, what?

[1582] Wrapping your head around that.

[1583] Fuck, yeah.

[1584] You accidentally said an interesting term that directed panspermia, which was also a theory of Francis Crick.

[1585] Basically, what he was saying is that the life forms are so complex.

[1586] A lot of the, a lot of science right now talks about this like prebiotic soup of all of these molecules, kind of just rummaging around all crazy, bumping into each other, eventually creating proteins.

[1587] Well, some of these proteins are like 200 atoms long, and the probability of even one of these proteins, and life is comprised of many proteins, remember, to create one of these specific proteins necessary for life, the odds of that happening at random are one over the number one with 260 zeros after it, one over one with 260 zeros.

[1588] That's just the pure probability of those atoms bumping together for primordial.

[1589] We can't even fathom a number like that.

[1590] I mean, it goes across the room.

[1591] So that's the probabilities of life?

[1592] Of just one protein.

[1593] And then you've got to figure these proteins have to come together and create, you know, and bump into each other and then form these complex proteins where they're working together to create life.

[1594] So that's why, you know, Francis Crick wasn't esoteric, didn't really believe in God, but he couldn't wrap his head around the statistical improbability that had happened like that.

[1595] That's why he came up with the theory of directed panspermia.

[1596] Either his theory was that actual beings.

[1597] His theory was that being ceded the planet.

[1598] Francis Crick?

[1599] That's what he believed.

[1600] Really?

[1601] He believed that being seeded it.

[1602] Now, another panspermia theory, this was in Graham Hancock's.

[1603] It's pretty well referenced too.

[1604] I went and checked some of the references that he had.

[1605] But another theory.

[1606] was that the comets, and this is non -directed panseparmia, the comets delivered this bacteria.

[1607] But it's a really interesting thought.

[1608] I mean, they were saying basically the chances of this happening was like a hurricane assembling a 737 in a junkyard.

[1609] That was the chances of life for me. Life on earth.

[1610] Life on earth.

[1611] A hurricane assembling a 737 in a junkyard.

[1612] Just a junkyard, and then boom, the wind goes, oh, shit, there's a plane.

[1613] Holy fuck.

[1614] What's really amazing is that we had a complete reboot 65 million years ago.

[1615] Yeah.

[1616] The most amazing thing about Earth today is that 65 million years ago, none of this shit was around.

[1617] 65 million years ago, we got hit by a giant rock that killed off all the dinosaurs and left a huge fucking crater in the Yucatan.

[1618] And from that, everything has got to this point.

[1619] Just 65 million years.

[1620] Imagine if the Earth was only 65 million years old.

[1621] I mean, it's really an incredible amount of time.

[1622] Don't get me wrong, but it has nothing on 4 .6 billion, which the Earth really is, or whatever it is.

[1623] So if you wanted to cede a planet and have it actually, work, you know, let's just go along with Krik's theory that it was some intelligent, directed panspermia.

[1624] You just find the toughest little bastard of life form, which is bacteria, and then just let natural selection work.

[1625] You just splash that on there.

[1626] And then from there, you realize that the forces at work of natural selection are going to create myriad life forms that are going to be optimal for living in whatever climate develops.

[1627] And so I think that was his theory that it just had to have come from somewhere else.

[1628] But then you run into the fucking problem of, you know, the chicken and the egg, some point, at some point, some primordial soup had to form the first life.

[1629] So it doesn't really get you around the problem to begin with.

[1630] He's just saying that on Earth there wasn't enough time for that to have been, for this to have been the first one.

[1631] Can you imagine if that's what the asteroid 65 million years ago was, like a correction?

[1632] Like look, there's nothing is ever going to get done.

[1633] We have giant fucking lizards.

[1634] We're going the wrong way.

[1635] Like somehow now they have giant predatory lizards with softball sized brains and they're getting bigger and dominating the whole universe and bigger yeah they eat everything you can't you can't even grow past like a mole you're like a little mole running around the dirt hiding from giant feet what a shitbag life it must have been back then when the dinosaurs were fucking roaming everywhere you imagine yeah everywhere you look dinosaurs T -rex T -rex wandering around your neighborhood so it was either by chance or by some you know intelligence if that's what it is they just control they just control Z that bitch yeah nope let's try it again Undo, undo, and went back a few steps.

[1636] Let's do a rewipe of the hard drive.

[1637] Kill off everything.

[1638] Everything bigger than a chicken's got to go.

[1639] What do you think was like the biggest thing that?

[1640] A lot of birds, apparently, and some crocodiles and stuff like that, right?

[1641] The ocean stuff.

[1642] Yeah.

[1643] Some of the big sharks, whale sharks.

[1644] Yeah, but there's, like, celacanths and shit like that's from much longer.

[1645] Yeah.

[1646] They're super old.

[1647] Yeah, they still have like appendages, like the, the, the, the transitionary fossil between, like, walking and swimming that the Christians are over screaming for, where is your transitionary fossils?

[1648] You tell me that the Lord created me out of a monkey I see monkeys still, they're still around That is a true thing man Imagine monkeys like how the fuck do these assholes figure it out Like monkeys were monkeys just a million years ago, two million years ago They were the same, not us We figured some shit out and rocketed past all those bitches Or alien intervention Like Francis Crick says Yeah or we got helped It's an interesting theory you know it's tough i mean maybe shit maybe stuff will get bad enough in our in our lifetime that we'll find definitively you know that the fucking the awes behind the curtain is just gonna have to say all right bitches i'm here for reals you guys are blowing it but i think that's it doesn't seem like that's it seems like if they are there they're trying to avoid that at all fucking cost but i don't know i think maybe if shit got fucking total armageddon enough you know maybe it'd be like all right you guys are going to kill each other we've you know be waiting for this for four and a half billion years.

[1649] So here's the plan.

[1650] I wonder if it be that clear.

[1651] I doubt.

[1652] I think that that's what probably what psychedelics are.

[1653] They're just tools.

[1654] Tools to try to get through this.

[1655] Absolutely.

[1656] I mean, all of them seem to be about self -reflection.

[1657] All of them seem to offer, besides good times, and besides using them as a recreation.

[1658] And a lot of people say, man, you shouldn't use psychedelics as a recreation.

[1659] They're very intense and powerful medicine.

[1660] To which I reply, yeah, but they're fun and recreation, so yes, you should.

[1661] Fuck you.

[1662] You're so serious.

[1663] Like, people get so serious.

[1664] Psychedelic drugs, man, are not to be taken for recreation.

[1665] They're important learning tools.

[1666] Or they're great to take a little bit and giggle.

[1667] Guess what?

[1668] That's good, too.

[1669] You can't tell me it's bad.

[1670] You can't tell me it's bad if I ate a little bit of mushrooms and laugh my ass off.

[1671] That's not bad.

[1672] You know, you can't tell me I'm abusing it.

[1673] The fuck I'm abusing it.

[1674] I'm so happy.

[1675] I'm so happy.

[1676] I got some mushrooms and it made me laugh.

[1677] It made a movie better, made a conversation better.

[1678] It's important to demystify him to a certain degree.

[1679] I mean, there are certain settings where you should take them seriously.

[1680] Like, don't fucking take a boga willy -nilly with your buddies.

[1681] Like, that's a nightmare.

[1682] You're just, you're setting yourself up for a bad situation.

[1683] But at the same time, you know, it's not magic.

[1684] You know, there are plants that are here designed, I believe, as tools.

[1685] Like you said, they're part of what should be in everybody's tool bag.

[1686] Well, there's a system, man. It's obvious.

[1687] I mean, there's a reason why bees pollinate flowers.

[1688] You know, there's a reason why this whole thing goes down.

[1689] They make honey, create hives.

[1690] And it's all, that's what they do.

[1691] It's what they've always done.

[1692] there's clearly some sort of a system in place and I think that all these plants are a part of this system and they're all aiding us all these psychedelic experiences are there to show us different experiences different perspectives and aid us along the way they're self -improvement devices and I think the you know kind of the making them forbidden both by the church and by the state because the church has done a hell of a lot of damage to making and they're behind a lot of these you know kind of destruction it's the last thing they want is people high making up their own religions right exactly having direct access without having to go through them and takes away their power base.

[1693] So that I think is the main factor that's really retarded our growth as humanity.

[1694] And what's put us in this situation where we're pretty out of touch in general.

[1695] Now, not everybody, certainly there's a whole wave of consciousness that we're seeing develop, but having that absent for so many years, these Puritans and pilgrims and all of this religious bullshit and Islam and everything, if they were able to really get back to the truth, they've eliminated the access to self -correction.

[1696] They've been like, all right, we got this bullshit path, and what's going to stop us?

[1697] What's going to stop this juggernaut?

[1698] Well, truth and self -correction.

[1699] Well, how do people find that?

[1700] Well, all the psychedelics, boom, done, make them illegal.

[1701] You know that the Supreme Court upheld the church's use of ayahuasca in New Mexico?

[1702] You know about that whole situation, right?

[1703] 2006, you know, they're still doing it.

[1704] Apparently, there's a church that you can go to.

[1705] It's Ocentro, esprita, beneficente, unial do vegetal.

[1706] Where you're family.

[1707] The unial do vegetal is like the idea is the vegetable.

[1708] They're drinking ayahuasca.

[1709] And it's a part of their church.

[1710] They're allowed to drink it by the fucking Supreme Court.

[1711] They treat it as a true religious sacrament because they're a Christian church, even though it's a Schedule 1 substance, so they're allowed to do it.

[1712] We just got to get that church to really fucking kick ass and explain.

[1713] fan their roots.

[1714] And maybe that's the way.

[1715] That might be the way yet.

[1716] I mean, they already got their fucking green light.

[1717] You know, it's a small congregation right now in New Mexico.

[1718] I'm sure they'd be interested in branching out, forming some affiliates.

[1719] Maybe that's what we should hop on.

[1720] On it, on it, Iboga labs, vegetative and DMT labs.

[1721] Yeah.

[1722] On it, ayahuasca spiritual centers.

[1723] Did you imagine?

[1724] Jesus Christ.

[1725] Imagine if that actually became a real thing.

[1726] thing and that's something we got into.

[1727] Whoa.

[1728] That's a way to really have an impact on society.

[1729] It's really too bad.

[1730] You can't do that or even think about doing it.

[1731] One of my questions was, all right, what should society do to self -correct?

[1732] And I got two answers.

[1733] And one of the answers was, you know, you're doing one of them now.

[1734] You know, this is one of the tools to show you truth.

[1735] This is going to take people back.

[1736] It's going to eliminate their addictions, all the things that are fucked up about themselves, you know, self -correct them.

[1737] And then by self -correcting themselves, it's going to self -correct society as a whole.

[1738] this is a great way back but then the other thing it said was which was pretty funny and more humorous than anything but it just said it showed me a picture of Congress and everybody just being completely naked like no clothes no nothing and it was like you know people are hiding so much even behind the very clothes that we're wearing you know that's just allowing them to be this different person you know this transparency that would be around if we lived you know kind of tribally it's almost like the symbolism of wearing these suits and allows, you know, Newt Dingrich to be all suited up.

[1739] And he would be a person you would never fucking listen to.

[1740] Yeah, if you saw his body.

[1741] If you saw his body naked and he's just being all gnarly and nasty in his normal newt self, naked, people would be like, come on, man. But, you know, it just allows this kind of falsehood to, like covering up his disgusting body.

[1742] But does that preclude someone from having a great and brilliant idea if they have a disgusting body?

[1743] No, I don't think so.

[1744] What if Michael Moore was doing always?

[1745] I think you would transcend it.

[1746] Legitimate protests.

[1747] Would you transcend it?

[1748] I think people would be like, that's a brilliant fucking...

[1749] Because everybody would see everybody naked, so you'd get used to the whole gamut.

[1750] Be like going to one of those nude beaches, which is mostly the worst, you know, physically attractive sites you see.

[1751] But, you know, at a certain point, you just look past it and like, oh, these people are cool or whatever.

[1752] Until people start getting creepy with you.

[1753] Right.

[1754] Yeah.

[1755] That could happen too at that place.

[1756] Yeah, I think Congress should totally be naked.

[1757] That's exactly what they should do.

[1758] They should make those fucks come out there naked.

[1759] Just say, listen.

[1760] Look, it totally makes sense.

[1761] You know, I should want, I don't, I want to see you.

[1762] I don't want, look, imagine if you take their clothes off as Nazi swastikers and shit.

[1763] And like, there's a tattoo, dick goes here, straight at their ass.

[1764] You know, you imagine you find it all kinds of nutty shit about these people that are in Congress.

[1765] But the idea of them being completely naked is a great idea because they would, they would feel vulnerable.

[1766] They would, they would be less likely to, to feel strong and empowered and willing to do crazy shit.

[1767] And on behalf of their special interest groups that have got them into office, you know, and more likely to face the wrath of America.

[1768] Yeah.

[1769] Looking at your saggy tits.

[1770] And then all of this.

[1771] We're passing crazy bills, your man tits.

[1772] Totally.

[1773] And all of this crazy, you know, there's so much that comes from these frustrations that people have.

[1774] You know, maybe they have a fucking, you know, they're not confident sexually and they get, you know, kind of rejected by women and they get all twerked up.

[1775] Well, what do they do?

[1776] They seek power ruthlessly, you know, and find this kind of position where they can wield, you know, wield this power over people and demand their affections and we have no evidence.

[1777] of their enlightenment.

[1778] Mm -hmm.

[1779] You know.

[1780] Yep.

[1781] So, I mean, that was a bit humorous, but there was some truth to it.

[1782] And certainly how, you know, people are just not fucking transparent.

[1783] You know, it's worth being led.

[1784] And all of these people, you know, to use my first analogy of what the Bogus said, they're being run purely as the mind boy part of themselves, that juvenile brain -centric part that's just fucking cranking shit out with no kind of real connection to the eternal and to all of us as you know robust human beings and the idea that somehow just because things are written down written down on paper and that they've been lived this way for X amount of years that that makes all this nonsense and this ridiculous pageantry that goes on in our government that that makes it normal that makes it real makes it okay it's become a game and what happens sorry I'm in the middle of Crawford yeah and any game people find ways to circumvent the game is exactly what it is yeah and then they they end up it's just playing a game they've lost touch with what it was really meant to be a democracy to help lead people to an optimal life the gentleman will yield the floor the gentleman will yield the floor what the fuck are you what kind of ridiculous rules are you calling out yeah and filibusters and things I mean people read what is that nonsense this is what we're preaching here on the Joe Rogan experience we're preaching an internet based government it's the only way to do it no more representative government, no representative government, no, no, no congressmen's or senators, no, people that act solely on the will of the people that vote online.

[1785] You know, the really, the only way that I could see it happening is, is we need more states' rights.

[1786] Like, someone needs to go whack down the federal government's kind of authority.

[1787] Federal government should be responsible only with national security, and they should have way more fucking checkpoints on it than that.

[1788] Maybe some national federal crimes that they're pursuing, shit like that.

[1789] basically keep us safe keep these big major things from happening to everybody but other than that the states should decide shit and you know what would happen the states that made cool laws laws that make sense would fucking get overrun with people and they'd be thriving and their GDP per state would be kicking ass and then other states was stuck in stupid idiots you know stuck in their old ways running with shit laws and putting in people in jail for doing things that are completely of their own prerogative you know those states would slowly start to depopulate you know people would be like fuck this state i'm not gonna out of here i'm going over to this state the state's sweet and that would be at least some level of correction some motivation to find a balance that you know shows actually what people because a state could elect a cool leader i don't think it's possible for the federal government to elect a cool i thought obama was cool i thought he was one of i thought he was going to be fucking great but he didn't turn out you know nearly as i had hoped in that regard and i think because of that i really feel like that system's fucking rigged but a state governor, you know, you could get a cool one in a state governor.

[1790] You could come together and make, if they really had autonomy to make those laws, that can make a fucking huge difference.

[1791] Yeah, I agree.

[1792] But the real problem is the federal government always wants to take power over the state government.

[1793] And things especially like marijuana, that's where the big issue is, that state -wise, it's legal in California for medical marijuana, but federally, it's always illegal.

[1794] So when these people get arrested, they go to federal trial, and they're not even allowed to use the phrase, medical marijuana, because it doesn't exist on a federal level.

[1795] There's no such term as medical marijuana, even though there's, you know, thousands of doctors that espouse the use of marijuana for a variety of ailments.

[1796] It doesn't matter.

[1797] In the federal trial, this fucking cuntbag, corrupt government, you're not even allowed to say it.

[1798] Now, how could that possibly be a government that's looking out for the interest of the people?

[1799] You would prevent someone from using terminology that would accurately explain their position on the subject just to make it easier for you to win.

[1800] And all they could do is say, are you selling drugs?

[1801] you sold drugs.

[1802] Thank you.

[1803] He sold drugs.

[1804] What you do?

[1805] Four years in jail.

[1806] Whatever the fuck it is.

[1807] And that's what these people have to go through.

[1808] That's the kind of bullshit these people have to go through.

[1809] That is not a government.

[1810] That is a bunch of cunts that are running people into the ground and holding them down with their boots.

[1811] And anybody that has ever done that or petition for that to be in position should be removed from society.

[1812] They should throw them in a fucking volcano.

[1813] You're an asshole.

[1814] Period.

[1815] You want to lock people up because they're selling medical marijuana.

[1816] And then when you would have been trial, they can't even say medical marijuana.

[1817] Really?

[1818] Really?

[1819] What kind of piece of shit are you?

[1820] What kind of weird black socks wearing scotch drinking cunt bag are you?

[1821] You old cryptic fuckhead with your idea, the universe and logic and law.

[1822] That makes sense to you?

[1823] Well, you're not a good representative.

[1824] You're not a good person that should be in power.

[1825] You're a cunt bag.

[1826] Period.

[1827] That's the only type of people that would ever be in that situation are cunts.

[1828] It would be, you know, it's impossible to it.

[1829] kind of even hope for this.

[1830] But if you, I can only imagine taking some of these people.

[1831] And then let's say you assembled the best shamans from the different traditions.

[1832] And it was like, you got to run the fucking gauntlet now.

[1833] Dude, I got a show about it.

[1834] It's my show.

[1835] Dushbags on mushrooms.

[1836] It's my show.

[1837] I'm trying to pitch it to Fox.

[1838] I have a meeting there this Thursday about another show.

[1839] Nice.

[1840] It seems like a fun show.

[1841] But I mean, I got a better idea, guys.

[1842] What do you say?

[1843] You guys want to get crazy?

[1844] They're the people that came up with who wants to marry a millionaire, right?

[1845] That would think.

[1846] This is the next level shit.

[1847] Dush bags on mushrooms.

[1848] You could do it legally, and, you know, Peru could be ayahuasca, Costa Rica could be Iboga.

[1849] You know, take these people.

[1850] Mexico can be anything.

[1851] How about that?

[1852] Anything, son.

[1853] Have them fucking take the challenge, you know.

[1854] Have these people who are so fixed in their beliefs.

[1855] Take the challenge.

[1856] See what happens when you go 24 hours with truth.

[1857] Look, and that's too deep, bro.

[1858] How about just smoke a joint?

[1859] How about just give them a little bit of DMT?

[1860] That's only 15 minutes.

[1861] How about that?

[1862] Sure.

[1863] Let's get baby steps before you leap them into some crazy abode camping experience.

[1864] Yeah.

[1865] So did your chick not enjoy as much as you enjoyed it?

[1866] She had a very, her experience was way more challenging.

[1867] She was struggling with a lot of, you know, deeper issues.

[1868] It was very visual.

[1869] She had like a physical representation of a part of herself that was almost like a demon that she had to slay.

[1870] You know, you ever see that Bruce Lee movie Dragon, you know, where he has that demon that's kind of, it was kind of hovering over him?

[1871] And eventually he has to fight it.

[1872] Like she lived that through vision.

[1873] That was a Bruce Lee movie?

[1874] No, he wasn't in it.

[1875] It was about Bruce Lee.

[1876] It was with, um, oh, yeah.

[1877] Some dude.

[1878] that dude did a good job yeah yeah so anyway so she had she like lived that experience saw this like part of herself that was just this kind of you know demonic kind of fiend part of herself and this is just kind of visualizations that allow you to manifest change and so she had to take that like fight it bring it out into the lawn kill it and bury it and then take a sword and like put it through it so it was like this intense fucking what if she woke up when the counselor was dead she's got a fucking kitchen knife.

[1879] She thought the counselor was a dragon.

[1880] You're so incapacitated.

[1881] That's insane.

[1882] That's insane, man. You're fighting someone with a sword.

[1883] Are you sure you know what you're doing?

[1884] What was she doing during this time?

[1885] Physically, yeah.

[1886] It feels like at a certain point, the only thing I could say, you know, when you're not, you're nauseous and you're fucked up, and it feels like there's like a 500 pound pancake on your body.

[1887] You almost feel completely immobilized.

[1888] Like you can't get up.

[1889] Wow.

[1890] You know, so you really can't do anything at this point when you're in the kind of the heat of it.

[1891] It's just the buzz around your body.

[1892] and you're just pancake smashing you down.

[1893] I think I distracted you and you never finished what happened when you were trying to get a boner.

[1894] No, I abandoned that.

[1895] I abandoned that quickly.

[1896] Well, it was like everything was going through your mind while you tried.

[1897] That was where I really tried.

[1898] That's where I really encountered fear.

[1899] That was what I was going to the bathroom.

[1900] No, I mean, it was, it was kind of, it was kind of silly.

[1901] I mean, I just, at that point, you know, your body is under such duress.

[1902] Like the penis is like, I have no fucking business to do here.

[1903] You know, let's, let's take this blood and mobilize it somewhere else.

[1904] Yeah, isn't it amazing how the body is like, I've always said this, it's weird that the penis is like so volatile.

[1905] Like the erection, the erection is so elusive.

[1906] I mean, when you're in the right mood and everything is cool and you're with your woman and you're making out, boom, you get an erection.

[1907] But you can't get an erection while a plane is crashing.

[1908] You know, people like, what would you do if the plane was crashing?

[1909] I'd read the person right next me. You start fucking.

[1910] Woo!

[1911] No, you wouldn't, man. There's no way.

[1912] you're going to get a boner where the plane is crashing.

[1913] If you get a boner where the plane is crashing, you might be the biggest freak on earth.

[1914] Fuck Rick James.

[1915] He wasn't a super freak.

[1916] You're a super freak.

[1917] You got a boner while you're riding the plane going down and you're shooting giant bucket loads everywhere.

[1918] I mean, no, the boner's not like a rhino horn that's on duty 24 -7.

[1919] The boner is a very elusive sort of a chemical reaction that has to take place.

[1920] A lot of things have to be in line.

[1921] There's a lot of switches that have to be going off before a boner happens.

[1922] Yeah, this is...

[1923] Iboga is not one of those switches.

[1924] It is the anti -switch.

[1925] That's why Viagra's a fucking terrible idea.

[1926] You don't think nature knows when you should be breeding.

[1927] When your dick doesn't work anymore, it's because you're on your way to dying stupid.

[1928] Okay, there's a lot of shit going down.

[1929] You know, it's...

[1930] You don't fix that by just shooting out whatever loads your dusty machinery can create.

[1931] Your loads are cracking out fucking weak old bagels.

[1932] Kunk, when you're shooting these dusty loads because you've gotten some sort of an erection because some guy came with some crazy chemical that gives you a boner when the wind blows.

[1933] Like, what a ridiculous?

[1934] I mean, our priorities are so funny.

[1935] I mean, I know that they didn't plan on coming out with Viagra for penis enlargement.

[1936] It was for something else, right?

[1937] Or for penis hardening.

[1938] I'm sure.

[1939] I mean, they must have their eye on that forever.

[1940] That's a fine.

[1941] They knew that was a huge market.

[1942] Yeah, but I think something else happened, and I might be wrong, because I know there's a bunch of drugs that happens, like like Rogain.

[1943] Oh, sure, yeah.

[1944] The Rogaine was originally, yeah.

[1945] Or Proscar was like a, a, a, a, prostate enlargement drug and they found it makes people grow hair back and that's where they came out with propitia there's like a bunch of different drugs to do things like that i thought that was the case with that but i'm not sure could be yeah it's a funny it's a funny situation but the that whole i mean the physical body on aboga takes a fucking beating and that's just i would imagine just no water and no food for 24 hours it's fucking terrible so we make it through it was a pretty crazy night i mean i didn't unbeknownst to me i was getting bitten by ants as this was going on too.

[1946] Oh, dude.

[1947] Which was even worse.

[1948] And that at a certain point, a skunk actually came by.

[1949] And I was just in deep entrance.

[1950] And I hear this, hear the shaman go, you smell that stinky bastard.

[1951] And I was like, huh?

[1952] And then a fucking skunk could spray it all over our feet.

[1953] Whoa.

[1954] He sprayed on you?

[1955] Yeah.

[1956] He like walked by and he was like, oh my God.

[1957] I mean, it was an intense.

[1958] Jerk.

[1959] What a cunt of skunk.

[1960] So then finally.

[1961] What if the skunk was feeling it like, you'll trip on this, bitch.

[1962] Yeah, exactly.

[1963] do boom boom boom wow and then finally you know dawn comes we make it all the way through the night 10 hours smell like skunk did you clean it off I don't know I mean at that point your senses are so fucked up after it was after the intensity of it was gone it just kind of faded so you're still tripping balls still I mean very difficult to get up it's dawn it's bright it's hard in the eyes you know I end up I end up walking through the old like smoldering fire pit I had my sand what fortunately like I couldn't even fucking see shit right so I just like walk through the fire.

[1964] Isn't anybody watching you to make sure you don't fall off a fucking cliff?

[1965] You guys be too late.

[1966] But they have handlers and things there, but where was that asshole when you were walking through fire?

[1967] I don't know.

[1968] You tried to save me if it was too late.

[1969] I was all right.

[1970] So they load us up in the car and then drove us back and then, you know, set us up back in our room.

[1971] And then that was the second 12 hours of the trip.

[1972] And then the kind of the physical symptoms started to go away.

[1973] The nausea wasn't so bad.

[1974] We could take a little sips of water.

[1975] But that was probably the fucking coolest 12 hours I've ever out in my life.

[1976] Because my brain was still like firing like it's never fired before, like really lucid and I could think clearly, maybe not quite as deeply as I could before, but still like brilliantly on things.

[1977] And it was like so light and so flexible and it was just awesome.

[1978] And so I was there with my fiance and we were talking about things and we'd get the same answer at the same time, almost on every issue that we came up with.

[1979] And that would be funny because, you know, usually we don't get that deep in philosophy is very rare but this time we were just able to kind of expand on everything and it was really cool and you would both ask the same question of the entity or to whether or the fuck the experiences we would just be talking to ourselves at that point it was almost like it removed the mechanism like the cursor was gone but it was just it was just like riding on our shoulders but when she would ask a question you would ask a question it would give you both the same answer whoa yeah like what give me an example well we were talking a lot about you know kind of her trip you know and it would be like why did i experience this you know and so then we would both say as soon as she would ask me that question she would get the answer that i was going to say the same i mean it would just be identical answers like what did that what was the meaning of that was it an obvious answer or is it no no no not necessarily it's not something that maybe both of us at our very best couldn't have possibly thought of but so it's nothing like nothing like magical or mystical about it but it's like we were thinking at so on the fringe of what our very minds were capable of that we came to the same answer maybe through incredible logical deduction i'm not saying it's you know mystical at this point but it was just so fucking sharp so like sherlock holmes deduction uh you know capable that we would come at the same answer at almost the same time and then another phenomenon that i could do too is anytime i felt like i wanted to talk to something part of that kind of ancestor belief it's called the ancestor medicine because you can talk to people so i'd been talking to people during this kind of experience in my head and i could imagine them like i can imagine them in places where i grew up like i imagine my father i was talking to my father at some point and i imagine him in one of my childhood houses and i was i could fucking look around in the house and see the art on the walls see the texture of the carpets shit that i had totally forgotten and I was like I am fucking there like holy shit this is the coffee stain on that chest table that we used to play that had the other chest table on top of it it was over there and I could see the fucking mark on that and I was like I can I could walk through the entire house and I you know maybe I could have done that before I hadn't tried but did you try to walk over to an ex -girlfriend's house and get some boning in why you live in the past stop by and see if you guys are still dating you never know man you might walk over I was fucking horrified after it's fuck 19 ready to go i thought about that vagina that one time it was terrified after that well you're just because you were just pulling on your penis this this would be true love this would be totally different young love reserved but it was crazy and then so you talk to these people and they don't talk in some kind of unfamiliar way like i talk to most everybody and the unique thing is they were very like lively and they would joke with you the only unifying factors all of them were pretty happy like everybody was happy and it was like they were even if they were sorry about something they were still happy and they were it was really kind of cool to do and when i would finish talking with somebody like i remember i was talking with one of my really good friends and we were i would think about different people i wanted to talk to and so we finished and had like a cool conversation it was kind of funny kind of cool and i would go back to talk to him and instead of talking to me because he would just flip me off and laugh you know and i would visualize this and i'd be like no dude i was just going to chat and he was like ah ha ha and he flipped me off It was like, we're done here.

[1980] That was the message.

[1981] Like, you're not going to talk to me anymore because we already talked about what was important.

[1982] So go ahead and do something else, silly.

[1983] So you're like playing a video game and you had gotten done with that room.

[1984] It was like you were playing half -life.

[1985] You try to get the scientist to give you some answers.

[1986] Yeah.

[1987] And you're still here?

[1988] You need to get out there and make this happen.

[1989] Yeah, exactly.

[1990] And I even went to the shaman one because I was just, you run out of things.

[1991] I was running out of things to do.

[1992] So I'll talk to the shaman, see if I can get him.

[1993] And I just saw him and he's going, go back inside and pointing it pointing my finger his finger at me like don't talk to me that's not what you're here for stupid go back inside you were just as a ride yeah you were like on it's a small world totally it was like that you know and i could close i could pull the covers over and go there and just visualize anybody and by the end you know like hour 20 you know i'd go to talk to people and like like fuck man why to take you so long hour 20 really that's what our relationship is and they're like i'm just kidding man i mean so it wasn't like this and he talked to me and he spoke like this It was like they were just themselves, being funny and being cool.

[1994] In the dream world.

[1995] In a dream world.

[1996] It was almost like an Advent calendar.

[1997] Some people I would put them in different houses or places.

[1998] An Advent calendar?

[1999] That's like there's things at Christmas.

[2000] You know, you open the little doors and there's little chocolates in there.

[2001] 30 different doors.

[2002] Each door has a different prize in it.

[2003] Yeah.

[2004] So it was like this cosmic Advent calendar where there's tons of doors.

[2005] And everybody was behind, everybody I knew was behind one of the doors.

[2006] And I could just peek open the door and they would start, you know, joking with me off the bat.

[2007] And then be like, then we would talk.

[2008] talk about usually one or two little small points that would that would make sense and be insightful and you know or be funny or express some gratitude for our relationship together but always kind of lighthearted and with the joke and then when I was done I was done.

[2009] God damn son you were tripping hard hard hard hard and this and this goes and then all the way to the next all the way through that night and it was just how does it end how does it end eventually you fall asleep eventually you know so it was about probably two three in the morning you must have been so hungry night you're not really you mean you could barely drink you know when you're so sick that the thought of food is horrifying yeah how long it's even to recover well that was that was a problem so i wake up after like four or five hours and i really feel pretty shitty like you wake up from an iawasca experience you feel connected you feel refreshed i woke up the next morning and i was like ugh like i feel like i hadn't slept you know like i was really kind of edgy you know and like a few things happened and I had like a bad temper, you know, which I'm usually pretty even keel with that stuff.

[2010] And I was like my temper was bad.

[2011] I could tell that, you know, the rest of my body had taken kind of a beating.

[2012] Yeah.

[2013] And that was the, that's the real challenge with Iboga is those next days after you finally go to sleep, your body's been through a serious ordeal.

[2014] And you don't have that kind of, you know, you have this incredible knowledge and for me, this access to things and this beautiful perspective.

[2015] But you struggle with the physical aspect of kind of, kind of, you know, you have this incredible.

[2016] getting yourself back healthy and solid and there's a lot of thing and then so when that happens then you know doubts and fears and other things start to creep in but you know fortunately for me i was able to that link between you know knowing what was my mind just that silly fucking mind boy creating these you know sabotages i was still able to know it so i just at that point you know i just had to trust like hey my body's a little fucked up you know as soon as i get a little sleep things are going to be fine and sure enough you know the next night came and they took us like to a spa and we went ziplining and you know really kind of went out and did some active stuff and rode a horseback and it's kind of cool the little program they have on there and by the time i did that you know rode horseback took a few ziplines sat in the spa got another sleep then you know then i was feeling fucking great again got some meals in me too food was food was important so it was a few days it was a few days yeah you're down there for like six days dude it does not sound attractive it sounds like it's really worthwhile absolutely especially um my friend ed ed clay um he's been taking a lot of people down there that have problems with pills you know and uh it helped him tremendously and i know any any opiate sort of problem opiates yeah it's brilliant yeah ibegain is supposed to be the shit i mean across the board they tout a you know and i haven't like researched and verified this but across the board they tout a 93 % effectiveness rate for abigaine treatment on heroin addiction So, you know, obviously, again, I'm not an expert on that aspect of things, but, you know, that's generally the figure that they use.

[2017] And I literally did get to see somebody make an amazing transformation between being an addict, arriving there and then breaking through.

[2018] And really just the whole energy about him was pretty remarkable.

[2019] And that's another thing.

[2020] They talk about the physical health benefits.

[2021] And, you know, it seems like it's really taxing on your body and really hard.

[2022] but one of the things that it's a positive things that it's doing is it feels like being in that kind of high voltage shed with all of that um all of that kind of energy around you you feel like you've been retuned by like a master tuning fork and um it seems like you know they say that you know all of these bacteria and a lot of viruses have like a different kind of fucked up frequency cancers and shit like that you know that's kind of they're operating on a different vibrational frequency which is replicate fast and well they're not quite of the same healthy frequency and so you know it seems to make sense that you know kind of retuning that body's you know kind of vibration resetting the whole machine resetting the machine pulling out reconnecting yeah exactly hitting reset on that and you know they boast a lot of you know pretty dramatic physical cures and who knows i mean i don't i don't again that's not a knowledge base that i have but if that is true if they are having you know very positive physical results It doesn't surprise me because that kind of retuning seemed to permeate everything.

[2023] You know, I was like, so if something else was operating not on the right frequency, you know, that thing got realigned.

[2024] You know, I really feel like that was definitely possible.

[2025] But again, you know, that's something that's the problem with not having these things legal, so we can't test it.

[2026] We can't study it.

[2027] What did you feel is causing it?

[2028] Did you feel that it's like, does it feel like a higher power?

[2029] Does it feel like a higher intelligence?

[2030] does it feel like just this is what happens when you mix oil with water this is what happens when you mix i've a game with people you know what i'm saying was it just a physical reaction that's beneficial did you feel like there was i mean obviously this is just going on your feeling which is you know what crazy evidence is that but does it feel like you're being guided does it feel like intelligent life it does well because it's a question and it's a question and answer kind of scenario now you feel like you're i mean never before have i had such a direct you get what you ask for kind of response.

[2031] Usually you kind of set intent and it's vague and it comes to you in weird ways and you put the pieces of the puzzle together after you're done like, oh shit, that's why I was being shown that.

[2032] Or you come to unique epiphanies that are kind of tangentially related.

[2033] This one was a direct fucking question and answer.

[2034] It was like you got put towards the source of truth.

[2035] And whether that truth like they say is within side yourself or elsewhere, you know, I don't think it's even that relevant at that point.

[2036] It's really, you are going to get to the truth that you know, your infinite soul knows, and that's going to help guide you.

[2037] This is some crazy, trippy shit.

[2038] It was filed out.

[2039] The artist formerly known as Chris.

[2040] Optimus.

[2041] Might have been one of the, yeah, Optimus Meat Boy.

[2042] Betty.

[2043] Wait, wait, no, it's Betty.

[2044] Optimus Meat Boy.

[2045] What was the other one?

[2046] Meat Boy.

[2047] Mind Boy and Mud Body.

[2048] Mudbody.

[2049] I like Meat Boy.

[2050] Ultimate Meat Boy.

[2051] Ultimate Meat Boy.

[2052] Ultimate Meat Boy.

[2053] Ultimate Meat, Boy.

[2054] Optimus Meatboy.

[2055] Optimus?

[2056] Can I get a dot com?

[2057] Yeah.

[2058] Find it.

[2059] Someone.

[2060] Someone get out there.

[2061] Get a kickstart going.

[2062] Red Edit .gov. I think you must have influenced a lot of people's ideas on the subjects of Iba game today.

[2063] I think there's quite a few people right now that are thinking that it's a great idea for them and quite a few people that are thinking there's no fucking way.

[2064] I'm ever going to do that shit.

[2065] And I want to live a good life to make sure that I never get in myself.

[2066] in a position where I need that crazy drug, whack myself out for a fucking month.

[2067] Yeah, it's a challenge, you know, but I think having no, the most important thing is just don't have this irrational fear about these psychedelics, like listen to yourself.

[2068] Maybe Ibegain would never be the one for you, but, you know, if you're afraid of exploring these parts of your mind, just conquer that fear, you know, use the tools that are available, you know, find the tools that you can.

[2069] And these are incredibly powerful tools.

[2070] And pray like Joe is right now.

[2071] I was trying to keep it together I have the same shit dude I'm hurting right now I'm getting sweaty and shit yeah I told you my daughter sneezed in my mouth I'm fighting it off I'm almost completely done with it I can work out today but I still get the sniffles this weekend we are going to be oh Atlanta 420 it's on bitches the tabernacle I'm filming my next special there which I will release on the internet Louis C .K. style for $5 that's what you gotta call it now Yeah, everybody's doing.

[2072] Gaffigan's doing it the same way as well.

[2073] So Atlanta, you dirty bitches, you Kentucky Fried Hookers, I'm coming down for you.

[2074] That's the place to do it.

[2075] I figured I haven't been Atlanta in a long time.

[2076] I got a lot of new material since the last time I was there.

[2077] So it would be a perfect place for me to record my new special.

[2078] The first show is already sold out, so we just added a second show at 10 .30 p .m. at the Tabernacle, and it's a fucking badass old theater.

[2079] It's really dope.

[2080] So that's April 20th.

[2081] So get involved, hookers.

[2082] It's going down.

[2083] And this weekend, we are Friday night at 9 and Saturday night at 10 .30.

[2084] Yes.

[2085] At the Ice House Comedy Club.

[2086] Room 2, the annex room.

[2087] That is the small, intimate room.

[2088] It's only like 85 seats.

[2089] The shit's going to sell out.

[2090] We got a lot of people coming down.

[2091] Duncan Truss is going to be there Saturday.

[2092] Who else we got Friday?

[2093] We got Joey Diaz.

[2094] He got Ari coming down?

[2095] Rick Ingram.

[2096] Ari's in Southwest by Southwest.

[2097] Powerful, Arishafir.

[2098] Harsh of Fear is pimping all over the world now.

[2099] He's headlining everywhere now.

[2100] Yeah, yeah.

[2101] Because of the power of the podcast, ladies gentlemen.

[2102] That's how crazy this world is, huh?

[2103] A bunch of assholes sitting around, talking on the internet, and it changes lives.

[2104] I have something going on this weekend, anybody in Austin.

[2105] It's got the Warrior Poet kind of relaunch party, putting a lot of emphasis in that.

[2106] What, your website?

[2107] Yeah, the blog.

[2108] You're having a relaunch party for your own personal blog?

[2109] It's crazy.

[2110] It's crazy.

[2111] It's a question out there.

[2112] Who does I need a good web guide.

[2113] You know a good web guy?

[2114] Totally.

[2115] Yeah, so anyways, warriorpoet .us is the blog at Warrior Poet U .S. is my Twitter.

[2116] But this Sunday, 12 to 5 at Swift's Attic, downtown, South by Southwest, recovery style.

[2117] We're going to have some good food, some good food.

[2118] You've got to get a lot of greasy, weirdo handshake.

[2119] Talk some church.

[2120] A lot of people.

[2121] Perfect.

[2122] Talk about your Ibogaine experience.

[2123] You're going to be shaken.

[2124] You think it can help me?

[2125] Do you think you can help me?

[2126] All right, ladies and gentlemen, that's the end of this particular podcast.

[2127] This is our third in four podcasts in a row this week.

[2128] We're not fucking around.

[2129] We're getting crazy.

[2130] This weekend's just going to be us silently sitting there in front of a microphone.

[2131] Yeah, Ice House Chronicles this weekend.

[2132] We're just going to let everybody else talk.

[2133] But we got one more tomorrow.

[2134] Tomorrow at 3 p .m. with Matt from Hoarders, the dude who cleans up all these crazy fucking people's houses.

[2135] That should be really interesting.

[2136] I can't wait to talk to that guy about the nuttiness.

[2137] That's another broken aspect of human mind.

[2138] All right.

[2139] Thank you.

[2140] Everybody.

[2141] Thank you.

[2142] Everybody that tuned in.

[2143] Thank you.

[2144] Much love to all my friends on the internets.

[2145] All my friends tuning into this, whether it's through Stitcher or MP3 or iTunes, or whether you prefer to stare at us through Vimeo or Ustream or whatever.

[2146] We thank you very much.

[2147] It's the most fun thing that we've ever done and the most satisfying.

[2148] And one of the most satisfying aspects of it is all the love that we get from you people out there.

[2149] So thank you very much.

[2150] Amen to that.

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[2168] What's up?

[2169] Brian Wrenkel, anything to report before we get out of here?

[2170] No. Subscribe to Death Squad on iTunes.

[2171] Yes, subscribe to Death Squad on iTunes.

[2172] That's the only way, excuse me, that is the only way that you can get the Ice House Chronicles, which is the podcast that we do, the real green room.

[2173] I mean, it is a real green room of a comedy club.

[2174] And what it is is we sit around and we talk shit, and everybody, you know, who is doing the show, sits in, and we, it's one of the funniest podcasts.

[2175] Yeah, we just put up a good one with you, Joey Diaz, Brody, Stevens, a bunch of people.

[2176] Oh, it's great.

[2177] It's great.

[2178] It's so fun.

[2179] It's like the, it's one of the best environments ever for just talking shit and hanging around.

[2180] And for the longest time, these environments have always been the back of the comedy store or, you know, or a room at the improv.

[2181] And they're lost.

[2182] These fun times are lost.

[2183] But now, because of this Ice House Chronicles, we've actually turned it into a podcast.

[2184] And it's one of my favorite podcast.

[2185] that's it all right you fuckers we'll see you soon April 20th tabernacle the tickets links all that shit's on my Facebook and my Twitter halla see you soon big kiss bye