82 - The MFM/Unqualified with Anna Faris Crossover Special Pt. 1

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Hey, this is exciting.

[2] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[3] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[4] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[5] Who killed Saz?

[6] And were they really after Charles?

[7] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[8] This season, murder hits close to home.

[9] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[10] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[11] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[12] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[13] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[14] Only murders in the building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[15] Goodbye.

[16] All right, are we doing this?

[17] I don't know, Sim, you tell me what the fuck we're doing.

[18] I show up here.

[19] This is exciting.

[20] We're doing a crossover.

[21] Karen and Georgia from my favorite murder are in your house right now.

[22] Yay.

[23] Thank you guys so much for being in here.

[24] This is like the most efficient way to podcast, isn't it?

[25] Everybody gets together in one room and talk all at the same time.

[26] Right.

[27] I would like to describe the setting, though.

[28] We are now, we're in like the what we call the mole room because there's this massive poster of this horrible movie called The Mole People that's from like 1946.

[29] And we call it.

[30] So we call this room, the mole room.

[31] And now it's incredibly dark and lit with candles.

[32] And we're going to talk about our favorite murder.

[33] Welcome to our lives.

[34] Bloody Mary.

[35] Right?

[36] It does feel like that.

[37] Have you guys always been attracted to like morbid things?

[38] Very attracted too.

[39] Yeah, I have.

[40] Yeah.

[41] In a creepy way.

[42] It's a challenge, though.

[43] Because you've, I'll give you a tour later.

[44] but I have like a lot of shit around that's, I have a few like skulls, like a lot of taxidermy.

[45] The goal with the house was like, how can I make it look like the creepiest natural history museum where my people that come over might feel like they could get, you know, murdered.

[46] Dream house.

[47] Yeah.

[48] This is haunted for sure.

[49] The mall room is haunted.

[50] It really is, isn't it?

[51] Absolutely.

[52] If any room's going to be haunted or any house, it's this.

[53] I always thought like with the haunted.

[54] thing like we've talked about this on the podcast before like how interesting it would be if um some somebody believed that their apartment at like the oak woods like b 2108 was like haunted yeah no that's not fucking but see that's what i'm saying like why did ghosts only like gravitate towards like creepy darkness old things like not just like 1982 we're talking about big stars haunting the Oakwood.

[55] Like, they're really, the biggest, it's like Betty Davis is in my half bath right now.

[56] Everybody get ready.

[57] In the crown molding, in the sheep crown.

[58] But we were talking about that, how much creepier it is for a new build to be haunted than an old house because it's like, yeah, of course this place is haunted.

[59] There's like people who lived here.

[60] But if it's like a new apartment or house in normal people's cases, then it's like, well, this is a fucking the demon, a demon.

[61] It's not like Gary Sherman who died at like age 78.

[62] who just has a message for his wife.

[63] Yeah, he's not a dick.

[64] He never got married, though.

[65] Oh, is that what it is?

[66] Yeah, he was just a little lonely, died of a heart attack, you know.

[67] His messages, get out there, really mix and mingle.

[68] Try to find somebody.

[69] The Oqua gym is like steps from your house, and yet you won't exercise.

[70] Don't be like me. Don't be like Gary and die alone.

[71] So sad.

[72] Thank you guys so much for being here.

[73] Thank you.

[74] You're pretending like it's your show.

[75] show.

[76] Oh, it's not my fucking show.

[77] I'm going to say to tell the listeners what we're doing first so they know.

[78] Great.

[79] Because it kind of is her show.

[80] Yeah.

[81] But it's, you know, we're just at her place.

[82] It's our show.

[83] It's true.

[84] I get, I get, we're doing a full on cross.

[85] You guys are getting the full, unqualified treatment and we're going to get the full, my favorite murder treatment.

[86] I feel like a guest.

[87] I feel like a guest.

[88] Maybe like you host this beginning part, then we'll host that.

[89] Yes, I would love that.

[90] We move into the room we want to be in.

[91] Right.

[92] Which is full of dead people.

[93] My upstairs.

[94] Hey, hello, goodbye.

[95] Things get ginky in the half -bath.

[96] Okay, I like that.

[97] So, Anna, you're going to host the first part.

[98] Next week, we're going to release, we're actually on the 22nd.

[99] We're releasing this on the 15th, and we're released Steve, right?

[100] It's releasing the 22nd.

[101] God, I'm falling asleep.

[102] And then, no, listen, what we're going to do is it's very easy.

[103] This is important.

[104] This is very important.

[105] We're going to start with Karen.

[106] You're going to talk about your favorite murder.

[107] That's right.

[108] Then we're going to go to unqualified deal breakers.

[109] Then we're going to take a device call.

[110] After that, we'll end the show, and then we'll come back next week.

[111] Actually, we'll wait five minutes, and then we'll start again.

[112] And this time, you guys are hosting.

[113] And Georgia, you're going to start with your favorite murder.

[114] And Anna will go with hers, and then we'll do one more call and we'll wrap it up.

[115] I love it.

[116] It's amazing.

[117] Can you go over that again a few more times?

[118] This is the most, what's the word, like, when things are planned that I've ever experienced in a podcast.

[119] Is it planned?

[120] It's called planned.

[121] most planned well we're trying we'll see where it goes i'm sure that we're going to go off the that's because you guys are wittier than we are and we have to like plan shit out and we're not from wittier are you reading from um okay should we jump right in let's yeah you want to do uh let's do your murder yeah let's do murder okay just start just go for it all right guys well this is in when i got the email the highly detailed email about what how this was going to go um And it said my favorite murder.

[122] Like I've already done most of my favorite true, you know, like my top 10.

[123] You know what I mean?

[124] We've burned through.

[125] Yeah, you've done.

[126] Yeah.

[127] A bunch.

[128] So, but I realized there was one I haven't done that I do.

[129] I've always been very fascinated by.

[130] And that's the BTK killer.

[131] Oh my God.

[132] Heavy hitter.

[133] So this is, but we're doing shorter versions than we normally do, right?

[134] This is kind of a bit of a condensed.

[135] Mine's hot.

[136] Jackie?

[137] What?

[138] Do you not know what I'm talking about?

[139] No, I do.

[140] Oh, I was like, how do I make a lame joke?

[141] Because I'm actually not a comedian at all.

[142] Look at me. I'm not either.

[143] For a second, I honestly thought I was like, am I going to tell her about the worst man who's ever lived?

[144] This is so exciting.

[145] Mine's not shorter.

[146] Is you a shorter?

[147] It isn't, but I was going to.

[148] I don't know that many details.

[149] Will you please?

[150] Okay.

[151] I mean, I'm excited to hear about this.

[152] And somebody just give me a wrap it up if we need to like Sam does an amazing wrap -it -up finger.

[153] I have a great wrap -it -up finger.

[154] I just do this.

[155] Okay, got to wrap it up.

[156] Okay, so this all started in Wichita, Kansas in January 15th, 1974.

[157] And it's bad, bad, bad.

[158] So 15 -year -old Charlie Ratero comes home from school, and he sees that his garage doors open, which is weird.

[159] And he comes home to find the whole house a mess, but it's silent, which is insane because he has four other brothers and sisters.

[160] He's the oldest.

[161] Everyone else is younger than him.

[162] So he knows something is very wrong.

[163] Because house has never been quiet in his life.

[164] Right.

[165] If there's five kids.

[166] Yeah.

[167] So he's walking around trying to figure out what's going on.

[168] And then he hears his sister yell, Charlie come quick, mom and dad are playing a bad trick on us.

[169] So he goes upstairs.

[170] I'm getting sure.

[171] Oh, Mom and Dad.

[172] I'm only in the, I haven't even gotten through the first paragraph yet.

[173] That's how bad this is.

[174] Oh, sad.

[175] So he goes upstairs and he finds.

[176] his brother and sister, Carmen and Danny, huddled together holding each other in their room.

[177] And then he goes and checks the parents' room.

[178] And he finds his father, Joseph Ratera, who was 38, dead on the floor, bound and strangle to death.

[179] And his mother, Julie, who is 34, also bound and strangled to death laying on the bed.

[180] They're babies.

[181] 34 and you have four or five kids.

[182] That's crazy.

[183] That's crazy.

[184] That's how they did it back then.

[185] Yeah.

[186] That's just so.

[187] Yeah.

[188] Oh, God.

[189] Just fill up that stage.

[190] I'm hung up on the bound thing.

[191] Like, are they, like, where are their arms and legs are tied in front of them?

[192] He was a big hug tire.

[193] But I'm not sure specifically on this.

[194] But like, with this guy.

[195] You know what I mean?

[196] There's certain terminology that you use with, like, certain murder phrases.

[197] And bound is definitely one of them.

[198] Right.

[199] This guy was like.

[200] On occasion.

[201] I was going to say the same thing, like with the word, um, what's the word and get all your intestines taken out?

[202] Embal -embowled.

[203] Disemboweled.

[204] Disembowl, but that's not sexy.

[205] Emballed is when you have them all put back in.

[206] That wasn't relevant.

[207] Go on.

[208] Oh, okay.

[209] So this is where it's even worse.

[210] So he yells to tell his siblings to go find their other brother, Joseph Jr., and their sister, Josephine.

[211] and bring them to him, but they can't find them.

[212] And so they call the police, the police come, the kids get out of the house, and the police find Joey in a different bedroom, also bound and murdered.

[213] And then they search the whole house, and they finally find Josephine, and she's been murdered.

[214] She's hanging from a pipe in the basement.

[215] Yeah.

[216] So there's no indication of forced entry.

[217] The phone line has been cut.

[218] classic horror movie style that's what you do yes this for the scariest uh results possible um the family car's gone uh there's no clues the killers left nothing behind until upon uh closer inspection the police find that there is semen next to where josephine's body was in the basement the daughter in the basement oh no so um because they stole the family car the first break they have is that a man they finally find the car in a grocery store parking lot and then they find a man who saw who was driving the car but the only description they have of him is he's a white man with dark hair um so it seems like to narrow it down right yeah i mean you've you've just gotten rid of all those blondes yeah and all those fucking gingers everyone hates listen if you're on mars and it's all green little green men then And you're like, it's the one guy who's white and with dark hair.

[219] But unfortunately, you're in Wichita.

[220] You're in Wichita, Kansas, yeah.

[221] A lot of whites.

[222] Yeah.

[223] So why didn't the people at the Frosty Freeze, they should start to, like, clock, like, descriptives of every single customer they have?

[224] I do that now.

[225] Do you do that now?

[226] None of this podcast.

[227] I'm like...

[228] At our job at Frosty Freeze.

[229] Yeah, listen, this podcast doesn't pay well.

[230] I do that now when I'm, like, I see someone strange in my, like, apartment building and I'm like, buttoned down fucking plaid shirt.

[231] And that's actually a description of my husband.

[232] I wave at everybody in our neighborhood.

[233] Oh, yeah.

[234] Like, I'm just like, hi, I acknowledge you.

[235] And then they're like, when was the last time you saw Anna?

[236] And they're like, well, she waved at me at 7 .35 in the morning.

[237] Like, don't you kill me. Yeah, that's right.

[238] See each other.

[239] Yep, yep, we got it.

[240] I like those stories where a little kid who has some kind of autism spends a lot of his time writing down license plate numbers.

[241] and they that kid then turns in his notebook and the cops end up finding somebody because he does that never heard that really that's amazing i've heard it on two different ones what i love is when a little kid is like he looked like a lion and then you're like this might have been a movie then they're like you're like you're so stupid little kid and then you see him and he's like got a lion beard and like or he looked like a clown and then it's like he was a clown like when little kids say stupid shit and then it turns out that they're not stupid yeah like we're just we don't happen to imagination.

[242] He really loves blue popsicles.

[243] Right.

[244] And you're like, who has a blue mouth?

[245] Oh my God, it's Jimmy Blue Mouth.

[246] Fucking Blue Mouth.

[247] Add it again.

[248] Oh, let's get back to the murder.

[249] Okay.

[250] So now a year later, there's two brothers, the Sebring brothers in in Wichita, they turn themselves in for these murders.

[251] They have records.

[252] The police search their house.

[253] The brothers say that they, the brothers say that they had an accomplice, that they killed the whole family.

[254] And that goes into the newspaper and on the news.

[255] So about 11 months later, the local paper in Wichita, I believe it's the Wichita Eagle, they get an anonymous call saying there's a letter in an applied engineering mechanics book at the Wichita Public Library that the police need to go take a look at.

[256] So they get the letter and it's from BTK and it's before he gave himself his name he said those dude singular you have in custody are just talking to get publicity they know nothing at all and then the letter goes on to list in incredible detail exactly how the Otero family was killed and down to specific knots that were used in bindings and the fact that a radio was stolen from the house which the cops hadn't noticed and no one had noticed until this letter and then they went and checked it out and it was true.

[257] So now they know that they're communicating with the man who killed this family.

[258] Holy shit.

[259] So the police decide to keep the letter out of the press and they keep investigating.

[260] So two years later, in March 17th and 1877, a man knocks on the door of Shirley Vian's house.

[261] She's a 24 -year -old mother of two and the children answer the door and let him inside.

[262] And he takes a children, locks him in the bathroom, puts a door under the door handle, then he strangles Shirley to death, and binds her first, strangles her to death, and leaves.

[263] The children get out, they are able to describe the man to the police, and they say he's a large white man with carrying a big black bag.

[264] So nine months after that, it's December 9th, 1977.

[265] And a caller calls the police dispatcher and gives them the address of Nancy Fox, who's 25 years old.

[266] And the police arrive at the address and find the body of Nancy tied up and strangled.

[267] And there's, again, seaman found near the body.

[268] And the killer's voice is captured on tape when he called into the dispatcher.

[269] And so the police released this tape.

[270] Wait, it was him who called.

[271] in to get them to come to her body yes what a creep i mean so he calls so the police release the tape uh on tv and they ask anyone who recognizes the voice to please come forward no one does no one knows who it is so two months later in february um there's a letter uh sent to k a k -k -e tv that's right cake tv in wichita claiming responsibility for the deaths of the otero family of Mrs. Vianne and of Nancy Fox as well as another unnamed victim and the caller the writer of the letter demands to be called BTK for bind them, torture them, kill them.

[272] Yeah.

[273] Sort of a weird version of fuck Mary kill, isn't it?

[274] Yeah, yeah.

[275] But it's more past tense as opposed to like future.

[276] Do you think Burger King sued?

[277] That's not funny.

[278] That's embedded.

[279] taste.

[280] Georgia, I thought it was very funny.

[281] No, thank you, but thank you.

[282] Everyone supports you, Georgia.

[283] Thank you.

[284] Support of room.

[285] The next day, the police chief named Richard Le Bunyan announces that a serial killer is at large in Wichita.

[286] His name is BTK, and he has threatened to strike again.

[287] So, of course, everyone loses their shit in Wichita.

[288] There is a rumor going around that this killer is targeting women with long hair.

[289] So almost all the women in Wichita, Kansas cut their hair short.

[290] There's like a line.

[291] I want to work it.

[292] Beauty cuts.

[293] Curl up and down.

[294] We'll just give you a nice dirty hamel.

[295] I'll be making bank.

[296] Yeah.

[297] We'll curl the bangs under.

[298] You want to work in.

[299] This part back.

[300] Shear bliss.

[301] Oh, this is horrible.

[302] It's bad.

[303] A year later in April, 20th, 1979, a woman named Anne Williams.

[304] Oh, I'm sorry.

[305] Anna or Anna?

[306] Oh, I think it's Anna Ferris Williams.

[307] Oh, God.

[308] It's not cool.

[309] That's not cool.

[310] I knew that I was living in some kind of weird purgatory.

[311] But this is it.

[312] This is all that happens is someone says your name.

[313] I become a movie star.

[314] This is the best purgatory ever.

[315] Love it.

[316] Okay, so this woman, Anna Williams, this is a crazy part of the story.

[317] She has squared.

[318] dancing one night and so she's supposed to normally from when she goes home from work she's home around seven but that night she was square dancing so she doesn't get home until after 10 o 'clock she's sweaty and like full of joy she's been flirting with cowboys square dancing come on there's not an more innocent hobby that you could have like it's like in a sweet yeah um so she gets home and notices that her bedroom doors open and she knows for a fact that she shuts it every morning when she leaves her house she picks up her phone to call the police and the phone line is cut so she runs to the neighbor's house yes girl and she um they call the police the police go to her house and search her house and they find a wire fashioned into the shape of a noose um next to the bed and in a previous communication btk had promised that he was going to hang his next next victim.

[319] So Anna never, Anna never went back to the house.

[320] Hey, hey, we'll be back it up.

[321] Keep her Anna, okay?

[322] What a weird promise.

[323] Yeah.

[324] You know, like, I think you swear.

[325] Ugh.

[326] So she never goes back to the house, but her daughter goes by to pick up the mail.

[327] And they find a letter addressed to Anna's deceased husband care of her.

[328] And it looks very official.

[329] But when they open it, they find a pair of her panty hose inside and a drawing.

[330] And a drawing.

[331] of what he had intended to do to her with a poem called, oh, Anna, why didn't you appear?

[332] So this 66 -year -old woman who went square dancing instead of home didn't get killed by BTK because of that.

[333] So seven years later, it's September 16th, 1986, and Vicki Wegerly, who's only 28 years old, is found by her husband when he comes home from work, strangled and near death.

[334] So he calls the paramedics.

[335] They come, they work on her, and they get her into the ambulance, and they get her to the hospital.

[336] The crime scene is completely compromised because they're all walking all over it, and she dies of her injuries.

[337] The police have no leads, and the case goes cold.

[338] So 30 years later, on the 30th anniversary of the BTK killings, the Wichita Eagle, publishes a recap.

[339] 30 years later, and no new murders?

[340] Right.

[341] I was on the Wichita police force.

[342] I tell you what.

[343] Did it eat you up inside?

[344] I wrote for the Wichita Eagle and three years later, I was like, who, wait, how has this not been saw them?

[345] It goes forward in time and you have one gray wisp of hair, like right on the side of your bob.

[346] It's real stylish.

[347] That's how we know the 30 years have passed for you.

[348] That's it, though, because I've had Botox ever since.

[349] Still.

[350] So they publish a recap of what happened and the effect that it had on the city.

[351] And a couple days later, a letter arrives at the Wichita Eagle.

[352] And it contains a photocopy of Vicki Weger Lee's driver's license and photos of her dead body posed.

[353] So it's the BTK and he's letting the police know that he has not gone anywhere and he is not a part of history.

[354] and he begins to communicate with the police through statements in the newspaper and personal ads and through letters and the police basically convince him to start sending them packages because they know anything that they have from him they can get now there's so much more forensic science that they can apply to all this because back, you know, of course, back in the 70s all they could do is collect stuff and put it in an envelope.

[355] Look that stamp, motherfucker.

[356] Right?

[357] So, Exactly right.

[358] So they're trying to get him to do all that.

[359] At one point, he's actually caught on surveillance video in his Jack Black Jeep Cherokee, dropping off a package to the police station.

[360] What?

[361] Because he thinks he can never get caught.

[362] So at one point, he asked the police if they can trace him through floppy disc.

[363] And the police say no. No. Of course not.

[364] But the police are lying.

[365] Yeah.

[366] No, I guess that.

[367] No, I guess that.

[368] No, I'm sorry.

[369] Police are not allowed to lie by law.

[370] Well, well, it turns out in this case.

[371] Wait, what?

[372] Yeah.

[373] You can.

[374] So they're like, so they're like, BTC, don't worry about a thing and go ahead and send us that floppy disc.

[375] Because his thinking was he had, he had so many maps he wanted to show them and poems and things that he wanted to communicate to them.

[376] He didn't want to have to send it all individually.

[377] So he was like, I'm just to throw it all into a floppy disk and send that over to you.

[378] And they could have all my serial killer documents.

[379] And they were like, sounds great.

[380] Do it right away.

[381] AP English or some shit.

[382] I don't know what that means because I was never in AP English, but I bet.

[383] Advanced placement English.

[384] That you couldn't do that.

[385] No, you can't.

[386] So they, of course, trace him on that and they find out that the person sending all of this is a man named Dennis Raider.

[387] He's a husband and a father of two.

[388] He's the city dog catcher.

[389] He's a church elder and he's a boy scout leader.

[390] So he was in the entire time hiding in plain sight in Wichita.

[391] Oh my God.

[392] Any one of those seems like a serial killer job.

[393] Yeah.

[394] But like all together, you know, like a dog catcher?

[395] Yeah.

[396] Well, the dog, do you remember that hometown that we had?

[397] We had somebody sent us a letter and they were from Wichita and the story they told was they had a dog that got out.

[398] And the dog catcher lived in his neighborhood, and the dog catcher took the dog and took him inside his house.

[399] And then he went down to get the dog.

[400] And the dog catcher was like, no, no, no, you have fines that you have to pay and you can't have this dog back.

[401] And I'm going to take him into the pound tomorrow morning and all the stuff.

[402] And the guy basically charged his neighbor and was like, I'll beat the shit out of you, give me my dog back.

[403] And he got his dog back and went home.

[404] And then, like, a month later, it was revealed that that guy was BTK.

[405] So he basically almost got into a fist fight with a serial killer.

[406] You started some shit.

[407] Yeah.

[408] And he's like, Give me my fucking dog.

[409] That's amazing.

[410] I forgot about that.

[411] So essentially, Dennis Rader confessed to all of the killings.

[412] And then he confessed to two cold cases that they didn't know were connected to the BTK, which one was a woman named Catherine Bright who was stabbed to death in her home.

[413] BTK was waiting inside her house when she got home.

[414] He didn't know that she would be with her brother, Kevin, who, he then shot and thought was dead then went and attacked Catherine and then Kevin got up and tried to fight him again and then he strangled him and thought he was dead again and then he murdered Catherine and then turned around and Kevin's body was gone Kevin had gotten up and fucking ran out of the house.

[415] Fuck yeah Kevin and called the police so can you imagine how scary that was like even for a serial killer to turn around and the body's gone oh dude that Like, even for a serial killer.

[416] The most for a serial killer.

[417] But even if you have no feelings at all, you're like, oh, shit.

[418] Oh, shit.

[419] So he, on that case, he, or that crime, he didn't clean up anything.

[420] He didn't do his normal stuff that he would do.

[421] He just, like, really quickly covered his tracks and ran out.

[422] So he was positive.

[423] He was going to get caught on that murder, and he wasn't.

[424] And then the other one, this this this is bad it was in 1985 he broke into the home of marine hedge um who was one of his neighbors and after her male guest left for the night he got he snuck out of her closet turned down her bedroom light um he she sat up he pounced on her and strangled her to death and then he put her body in the trunk of her his car oh no sorry the trunk of her own car and drove to the Christ Lutheran Church where he eventually became a church elder and took pictures of her in various sexual bondage positions.

[425] He had all of these pictures in his house and all of the pictures of all of his victims in his house when they arrested him.

[426] They found all these files in his garage.

[427] And so basically he entered guilty to all counts, all 10 murders, and he was given 10 consecutive life sentences.

[428] and he said in an early letter that he blamed his murders on what he called Factor X. He said he was a big serial killer aficionado himself and he said that all serial killers had the same factor X from Jack the Ripper to the son of Sam and he said that basically factor X was a demon and he described it as something that controls his desire to kill and he drew it in varying ways sometimes as a frog and sometimes as a more traditional looking demon.

[429] And that's the basics for the BTK killer, everybody.

[430] Okay, can we talk a little bit about the death penalty stuff?

[431] Why do serial killers tend?

[432] Some of them get a pass.

[433] Like you shoot somebody let's say once by accident during a, you know, when you're robbing a gas station.

[434] If you live in Kansas, you're going to get like the death penalty why the fuck does he like get a pass he's serving pled guilty right i mean i have no idea we are the last people you should be asking these questions we have no idea i could speculate i'm the shit out of this but it's all speculation and i think it's because he made a deal that if he pled guilty he wouldn't get put to death right most likely i don't know i don't know because then you don't have to put the families through the trial.

[435] Well, also depends on state by state.

[436] Some places have the death penalty and some don't.

[437] Amy, you could probably weigh in here.

[438] I'm a actually federal prosecutor.

[439] Holy shit.

[440] Why are you not getting in here?

[441] I don't know.

[442] I have like a podcast called like my favorite narcotics distribution offense doesn't like really have.

[443] No, I want to hear that.

[444] Have the same ring.

[445] No, I don't actually do death penalty cases, luckily for me. So this isn't really something I can weigh in on.

[446] But certainly there's lots of reasons.

[447] We don't do any of that.

[448] somebody might not get the death penalty between like whatever the statute is to a plea agreement like you said or also there could be you know they might have a I mean there's just a lot of different reasons is it rare to to get a death penalty case based on all the things you can do to avoid it even to go to trial that way yeah you know I mean again I do federal criminal law so I don't speculate again a ton speculation this whole thing I have worked on some death penalty matters there were habeas petitions at the night circuit and they were pretty horrible gruesome cases.

[449] I did not enjoy it.

[450] So I don't know how you guys like, you know what I'm saying?

[451] Do this every day.

[452] I don't.

[453] Like, you know, we tend to be, whatever.

[454] Okay, I don't, I don't mean to go off on my weird tangent.

[455] Go off.

[456] That's what this podcast is.

[457] But I, but truly like, why?

[458] Like, it seems like, all right, if we're going to accept the death penalty, which I'm not in, like, favor of, just in general, on an ethical basis.

[459] But if you're going to do, if we're going to do it as a nation, seems like the BTK guy well you know that seems like top of the list yeah yeah right right yeah yeah well a lot of the for me a lot of the sentencing and and that sort of thing doesn't really make a lot of sense there's not like there's not a clear cut one where it's like well he did this so this is gonna happen because historically this is how these people get charged I just wonder if like the gruesomeness of fascination like it is adds this undercurrent of like Like, do we weirdly, clearly, like, kind of appreciate the obsession and the oddness of mentality and value that in a way that?

[460] Or we can learn from it in some way.

[461] I mean, I think it's interesting.

[462] I definitely don't, like, value it or appreciate it.

[463] Like, it's, I don't think that the fascination is a positive.

[464] No, not at all.

[465] Of course not.

[466] Yeah.

[467] Yeah, but, but there is something different about, like, the, like, the fascination of mind of somebody like this that, you know, whereas somebody else were a little more dismissive of, like, yeah, yeah, we'll inject you.

[468] Well, I always think it's, it was a really interesting decision and maybe even we lost something in the fact that, uh, Ted Bundy was put to death because I feel like there's so much we can let's the extreme of being, uh, associated.

[469] and psychotic, we could have learned so much about the human brain based on just interviews with Ted Bundy, not with people who could be tricked, you know what I mean?

[470] And like, so we put him to death and it's like, well, we kind of put ourselves out of a learning experience in a way.

[471] I mean, he was going to stay in prison for the rest of his fucking life.

[472] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[473] I mean, listen, I agree with you.

[474] My uncle lived across the street from him, by the way.

[475] What's in Seattle?

[476] Start over.

[477] No, that's all I know, just that he lived.

[478] my uncle lived right across the street where Ted Bundy lived in he rented a room in an attic Is this the same uncle who made the guillotine that is on your front porch?

[479] Holy shit.

[480] He sounds like a badass motherfucker.

[481] He is.

[482] He's awesome.

[483] Uncle Roger.

[484] Roger.

[485] Get on the podcast.

[486] So, okay, I'm sorry.

[487] I did not mean to go on.

[488] No, no, no, no. No, not at all.

[489] No, because I was thinking about that.

[490] Like, it is the, like Ted Bundy was interviewed a bunch at the end of his life.

[491] But I think people get so it's like you murder almost 40 women and after a while people just like get rid of him like we don't care what he has to say anymore it's not that idea of like him getting to have a which I'm also don't even know how I feel about the death penalty I'm definitely not advocating for it but I do see the mentality of people just being like do you want a daddy night in this gorgeous home again it's a medicine guillotine on the front floor this whole thing is going to turn into like some kind of game that on is playing with us.

[492] We're like, Oh, and that'd be magical.

[493] She tried to kill us in all different ways.

[494] Guess who my favorite marriage is.

[495] Oh, no. Run.

[496] But like Dennis, what I think is fascinating about Dennis Raiders, he was, like, when he was the dog catcher, he was, they called it like the city, I can't remember the name of the term that was on the side of the van of this really good made -for -TV movie I watched, but he would do things like go around and measure people's lawns.

[497] And if your lawn was too high, he would.

[498] He would, like, take a picture of it and, like, give people a warning.

[499] And there was a story in this movie, and I didn't have time to see if it was real because I didn't know how to fact check it.

[500] But he in, but I think it probably, they put it in based on something he really did, which is if somebody's dog got out, he would bring it to the pound and then tell the person they had to talk to him before the pound would release the dog to the person.

[501] And then so he would say they have five days to contact him.

[502] and then he wouldn't answer his phone and then the pound would kill the animal he did that in this made for TV movie he did that to one woman and I remember hearing about other things like that so it's like this person who is taking these weird little like you know those people that love control and love power even though it's like the dog catcher power so I could see that in a way where Ted Bundy would get off on being interviewed and it's like he's not really being punished he doesn't give a shit about staying in person the rest of his life because all these people want to know about him so it's almost like kill that motherfucker.

[503] It's a really fucked up way to approach fame, isn't it?

[504] Like, like, like, if you just want to be famous.

[505] Put it mildly.

[506] I was going to go through like two different avenues.

[507] I just knew when I was eight that I just really wanted to be famous.

[508] Quote, famous.

[509] Or, like, acting or killer.

[510] Or whatever else it takes.

[511] If killing doesn't work, then you go with acting.

[512] I mean, they're very similar.

[513] Who knew it?

[514] Podcasts.

[515] Very similar.

[516] But, but truly, though, like the sex.

[517] psychology I guess maybe this is what you're getting at Karen is the idea of like um like the idea that he clearly wanted desperately to be known oh yeah himself you know he's the he's the he's the reason he got caught his own need for that fame like even two people almost got put to put into prison uh because of the you know who admitted to it like you should be like great I got off of it he would have been it would have been a lot yeah that would be the old double jeopardy thing we talk about where if those people were prosecuted for his crimes then he would have he would have been innocent and he couldn't let that happen because he wanted the credit my question is a fucking applied engineer book at the library you think people check that out enough that they're going to find out they're going to find that letter that he wrote applied engineer no no i think he no i think he put it in just specifically for the cops i don't think he stuck it there like forever but okay he went and put it in and then called and said it's in this book because it was 11 months i thought it was just waiting for some engineer student to go check this book out and be like smart people will get this no no no i think you just rolled on up to the library listen i'm not i think george is totally right i don't know no i think he was like this is an obscure one but maybe like someday yeah yeah yeah some lucky nerd so love numbers this is an post secret book where they like hide people hide their real secrets listen that was fucked up I'm glad you did that one I feel like I feel like we don't do like famous serial killers a lot but they're so such interesting stories like Ted Bundy it's like we wouldn't have a lot I grew up north of Seattle and there's like yeah you guys know you're nodding your heads Pacific Northwest yeah I know it's sucked up yeah you guys got in the rain yeah loneliness depression control not enough people getting laid yeah I don't know So many layers of clothing all the time.

[518] Yes, that wool, it scratches on you.

[519] Ugh, until you kill.

[520] So do you remember a lot of this from Newark Head?

[521] Well, I remember we had the Green River Killer.

[522] Yeah.

[523] Did you hear a lot about it?

[524] Oh, yeah.

[525] It was like in the news all the time, like another body found, another body found, another body found.

[526] And then I heard a story that, I don't know, you guys might know more about this, but that apparently his co -workers at the gas or whatever the car mechanic place that he worked at would joke that he would be they'd be like dudes the green river killer no because he's so boring I think you know what there's like the sense there's the sense of creepiness that we're taught to ignore and especially as women oh yeah and like because we want to be polite We want to be kind, but some, maybe somewhere in us, there's that little tug of like, oh, yeah, that one.

[527] Yeah.

[528] Not surprising.

[529] There might be a little creepy.

[530] Maybe you should avoid that.

[531] The eyes are bad on that one.

[532] That's what I always think.

[533] Bad eyes.

[534] And also it's that like overly nice, creepy that you can't really explain.

[535] It's the same thing of when, like, when the guys who put girls, who when a girl puts you in the friend zone, they're like, you don't.

[536] want a nice guy and it's like no we don't want to creep who's like who's being nice to us not i don't know where i'm going on this like no one who has an agenda agenda that's yeah yeah yeah for sure um okay sim just passed me my note sheet here are we supposed to yeah this is my subtle like transition okay you used to be way better at segways you did he said shut this is a very strange show by the way it's a very strange segue how do we go from that murder to relationship deal breakers I mean, serial killer Relationship deal breaker Okay So imagine you're single deal breakers, ready?

[537] He calls spaghetti Pascetti.

[538] Nope.

[539] Goodbye.

[540] He gets his balls professionally waxed every month.

[541] No, that's polite.

[542] Shave them.

[543] Waxing is fucking What's the word?

[544] It's torture.

[545] Maybe he likes it though, that's part of it.

[546] Shave them.

[547] Shave them.

[548] It seems like there would be an awful lot of cuts, no?

[549] Everyone calm down and shave your balls.

[550] Okay, great.

[551] He thinks OJ was framed.

[552] Oh, that's perfect.

[553] You're like asking us to say yes to the expression.

[554] Do not they're saying, yeah.

[555] No. Karen?

[556] I mean, I feel like these days with all these documentaries come out, it's hard to know.

[557] You have to really stay neutral on a lot of things.

[558] So you love arguing.

[559] You're going to still go out with this fella?

[560] I mean, it's fine.

[561] If he's passionately yelling about it in my face constantly, then no. It can't be a singular passion.

[562] I love nothing more than to argue.

[563] you loudly at a bar with people about something.

[564] I don't even tell, I was yelling at Vince.

[565] We're talking about aliens at a bar and he was like, I really don't like doing this.

[566] I was like, oh, my God, I'm.

[567] Wait, are you pro or con?

[568] Aliens?

[569] Yeah.

[570] Well, it depends on what side I'm arguing.

[571] Oh, I see.

[572] I'm pro.

[573] You're just doing whatever, you're just arguing.

[574] Yeah, yeah, I'm pro.

[575] I like the idea that, you know, we're not like this singular, like, a sort of abyss of loneliness, just that there's other.

[576] You're doing okay?

[577] We're there?

[578] No. No, we're all together.

[579] We're all together.

[580] There's other things out there.

[581] We've got to believe it.

[582] Okay, during sex, he puts his finger up your butt.

[583] Without asking?

[584] Oh, we didn't clarify.

[585] Yeah, without asking.

[586] First time?

[587] Are we talking like seventh time?

[588] Let's say it's fourth time.

[589] I need to be asked.

[590] I need to be asked.

[591] It's a weird ask.

[592] It is a weird ask.

[593] Georgia, may I put my...

[594] No, index finger, up your anus.

[595] No, I'm going to go pass on that.

[596] Karen's being real quiet on this one.

[597] I'm just thinking.

[598] I'm thinking about stuff.

[599] I'm just fantasizing.

[600] You know, guys, it's all sensation.

[601] I feel like our culture really makes us feel bad about stuff.

[602] I am so with you on that.

[603] So we know your answers.

[604] Two proud yeses or whatever.

[605] To not proud.

[606] Okay.

[607] okay he eats placenta in a shake every morning who's placenta where does he get it he's got a hook up you know lady or I mean not guy like lady or animal yeah it's wolf placenta so then yes I'm going to go ahead and say a firm no on this one there's take vitamins I don't think that's the way you have to do it so many vitamins out there okay guys but you know there's immortality involved oh there but you can still get hit by a car even if you eat placenta yes or now well right nope nope nope what not if you eat it every day you jump right over that car you become immune to cars that's amazing now i want to eat placenta every day keep i want more fuck that was fun that was fun hey this is exciting an all new season of only murders in the building is coming to hulu on august 27th.

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[641] Goodbye.

[642] So we're going to actually move on to an advice call right now.

[643] All right.

[644] We're going to call.

[645] Katie, and she's in L .A., and she's 25.

[646] Oh, my God.

[647] Hello.

[648] Hey, Katie.

[649] It's Sim.

[650] How are you?

[651] Hi, I'm good.

[652] How are you?

[653] Here's Anna.

[654] Hi, Katie.

[655] Hi, Anna.

[656] We have two really special guests here.

[657] We have Karen and Georgia from my favorite murder.

[658] Hi.

[659] Shut the fuck up.

[660] You shut up.

[661] Do you know who they are?

[662] I take it, you know who they are.

[663] Yeah, no, I literally only listen to like three podcasts.

[664] and one is Ana's and one is my favorite murder.

[665] So, yeah, I definitely know who you guys are.

[666] Oh, hell, yeah.

[667] Who are we competing with?

[668] Yeah.

[669] Who's the third?

[670] Do you know my brother, my brother and me?

[671] Oh, yeah.

[672] Travis is great.

[673] Yeah, of course.

[674] Yeah, that's my third.

[675] Excellent.

[676] Well, Katie, tell us why your boyfriend's coworker is making you feel uncomfortable.

[677] Yeah, so just a little background.

[678] My boyfriend and I have been dating for five and a half years.

[679] We've known each other since preschool.

[680] We're best friends, you know, the whole thing.

[681] I moved to L .A. in January for a job.

[682] He moved after me. We moved in together.

[683] He got a job also, which I was really excited about.

[684] I was kind of nervous about him moving with me. I didn't want there to be any resentment if he hated L .A. or anything like that.

[685] So he eventually starts kind of, you know, making friends at work and going out with coworkers.

[686] and things like that.

[687] And there's one guy that would just kind of make snide comments about, like if my boyfriend and I already had plans, you know, to make dinner or something that night.

[688] And he was out with them at a bar.

[689] He would say, you know, okay, guys, I got to, you know, head home.

[690] Like, Katie and are having dinner together.

[691] And the guy would just kind of make these comments, like, oh, yeah, got to get back and, like, make dinner for your girlfriend and blah, blah.

[692] Like, or, you know, you're whipped or whatever.

[693] like she's like I don't know things like that and he would make these comments in front of all of the guys that they hang out with and then eventually he kind of started making them in front of me toward like to me directly so like for example one night we all went out to a bar for one of their birthdays and my boyfriend and I are going to leave and the guy comes up to me and you know like hugs me goodbye and he's like you know thank you so much for actually like getting him come out with us tonight and stuff like that.

[694] It was like, what's the fuck, dude?

[695] Like, I mean, and it's kind of one of those things where, like, I, in any other, like, friendship, if someone were, you know, ragging on me like that, someone that I actually knew, I'd be like, okay, well, like, fuck off, whatever, I don't care.

[696] But, like, it's kind of a situation where I don't know this person and it's like a new coworker and I don't want to, like, jeopardize his friendships and things like that.

[697] And so I don't really know how to handle it, I guess.

[698] my question here.

[699] Oh my God, I have some thoughts.

[700] I know.

[701] Let's just go down the line.

[702] No, no, no, no. You guys go first.

[703] Well, what does your boyfriend say?

[704] Do you guys talk about it?

[705] Yeah, so he's very non -confrontational.

[706] Like, I would definitely say that I am the person to be like, fuck off.

[707] He's kind of the person to just ignore it and not pay attention to it, not really like give it life, I guess you could say.

[708] So he's kind of the one that's just like, oh, ha ha.

[709] I hate that so much.

[710] makes me so angry.

[711] Yeah, my husband's like that too.

[712] Me too, because I've definitely confrontational.

[713] I'm like, yeah, say something back.

[714] Pepper spray that motherfucker.

[715] That's my first thought.

[716] No. Is he defending you at all?

[717] Um, I mean, I don't really know I haven't been in front of that.

[718] Like, I mean, he didn't hear it whenever the guy said it to me personally.

[719] So I. So he laughs it off because he, because he's afraid like, oh, he's a professional connection.

[720] And he'll laugh it off and he'll go back home and you'll just kind of take it.

[721] it, but inside it, I'm sure it really hurts him and it hurts you.

[722] It's completely disrespectful.

[723] I hate this guy.

[724] I guess to me, like, because whenever we've kind of talked about it one -on -one here, he's just kind of like, well, if I don't feel like you're controlling or that I'm with or we have something wrong in our relationship, then why does it matter what this random guy thinks, I guess, which I get.

[725] But at the same time, it's just kind of like, I don't know what to say to this dude.

[726] And I wish that I could have something to, like, give.

[727] my boyfriend that's non -confrontational to like be like hey man maybe like gently fuck off kind of thing I don't know no he has to say that he has I would tell him to completely fuck off that's what I would say but yeah I get it he has a job and it's his co -worker have you ever tried cupping his face in your hands and saying who hurt you you could do something like that because it really does sound like a person who is either jealous of you like kind of into your boy There's a lot of possibilities going on, but the idea that you would be actively trying to, like, pick on someone because they have a relationship is very, uh, it doesn't, it's not a good sign for you as a person if that's something you feel the need to do.

[728] And I feel like there's something to be revealed in that guy.

[729] And maybe your boyfriend gets the sense that he's like one of those agro dudes that he just doesn't want to like start anything with.

[730] I bet this guy the minute your boyfriend, and I want to say like, It bothers me that he's being called a friend and your boyfriend doesn't want to fuck with the friend and you don't want to ruin his friendship.

[731] That guy's not a friend.

[732] And the minute I bet your boyfriend who absolutely should say something to him says something, this kid will fucking start crying.

[733] Like, I bet he's so fragile.

[734] I don't think his, I don't think his feelings should be taken into consideration.

[735] Don't we think that, like, somebody's like, like, don't you think that he loves her or like lust after her or like is either her or him?

[736] yeah there's something but I think her there's jealousy I think it's Katie like I think that the dude is is like like lusting after Katie want no I don't I don't agree with any of you guys I really think that this guy is just an asshole I'm very fun and attractive so thank you Katie I totally feel that from you I can hear it in your voice sorry Katie I feel like the minute though you put like this romantic spin on it and oh he's listening like then it's like he deserves some kind of kindness which if he is in love with you enlisting after you?

[737] Well, that's his fucking problem.

[738] And he's showing it the wrong way.

[739] And that's just this whole thing.

[740] I feel like there needs to be a way to explain to your boyfriend how much this affects you.

[741] And the minute he needs to know that you're the person he should be defending, not this fucking doucheback.

[742] Yeah.

[743] That would bother me a lot.

[744] Also that kind of that young dude thing of like, oh, you're whipped or you go home and eat dinner together.

[745] therefore that's a bad thing it's indicative of a mindset that isn't healthy and isn't good like those are those kinds of guys who are like women do this to men or whatever and he's so comfortable saying it and quote unquote joking about it that that's another thing that that i don't know i when i'm anytime i'm around guys that are like that word i just am like i just want to get away from that person like maybe that's not to defend the boyfriend so much but maybe he's just getting a sense of like this isn't one of those guys you want to get on the bad side of.

[746] And so it's putting him in this weird position.

[747] I was with a guy a long time ago in my early 20s and his best friend told him, he's like, oh, you're so pussy whipped.

[748] And then the dude told me that, that the best friend said that.

[749] And I had such complicated feelings because it was like, well, what are you trying to get out of me that you would tell me that?

[750] And also, what the fuck is this dude?

[751] maybe you'll i don't know it's it's it's you're right karen though it's that way of communicating that feels really youthful yeah that um that and also and manipulative and and and weird and and filled with envy yeah yeah yeah because it's also that thing of like oh i'm joking i'm joking you're like hiding behind a joke but you're taking it too seriously like but you're actually just sending a real message which is let him do what he wants and fuck off katy i hate to say it but And I don't mean to, like, I don't want to diminish your relationship at all because maybe you're so crazy about your boyfriend that you want to marry him and be with him forever or whatever.

[752] But I do, I think that the fact that there's a little bit of a bro before ho culture happening here.

[753] Can I say that that's not safe for you.

[754] Something I noticed too, like way in the beginning that might be connected is when you said that you, he moved here for you and you want, you would feel bad if he would.

[755] wasn't happy here.

[756] And so you don't want to get in the way.

[757] It's not your responsibility to make sure that a decision he made is then, you know, it's not on you for him to be happy.

[758] So you being annoyed that this person he works with, who's not even his friend, like, gets upset with him isn't your responsibility in the same way that him finding a life and being happy here after he made a decision to move here.

[759] It's not your responsibility either, which is a hard thing to, I can't deal with that at all.

[760] I'm learning it in therapy.

[761] But like, it's just none of that is your responsibility.

[762] You, you have yourself to worry about yeah yeah we have to start yeah very true thinking a little bit more individually like like collectively as women and I was going to say a little more like men but that also feels that feels like we're handing overpower there but I think in general don't you guys think that like we like it's important to impart on because for years I would think about just how my identity through men yeah and um And I think it's important to sort of explore the idea of like, let's not, let's not fucking do that anymore.

[763] Let's like, let's think about ourselves.

[764] Let's be selfish.

[765] You know, as my mom always said, be selfish in love.

[766] It's not even selfish.

[767] It's just like, but, but in the idea.

[768] Self care.

[769] Yeah.

[770] But selfish is a good word for it.

[771] Well, but, but because I think we have to redefine everything like as a gender.

[772] Yeah.

[773] I also wonder if you've discussed it in this way.

[774] If you have, had this group of girlfriends that you were going out with and there was one that was giving him shit about hanging around and like why don't you leave her alone and how would he feel if it was going back the other way and not even not even like a demand of answer me right now but think of what this would be like if this exact situation was flipped and it was happening to you just put yourself in my shoes because i also think there's that thing of you know they say that like when there's a problem guys freak out and they want to fix it they don't you know they just it's like he doesn't know how to fix it and it's a work thing and it's like very problematic so his his solution is just don't let this be a problem to you but really I think what he needs to think about is is you like we're saying and how it affects you and how would it feel to him if there was somebody kind of letting him know that he wasn't welcome and that he's a bummer but you know that like your friends think he's a bummer that's so shitty yeah yeah um yeah I mean I feel like Like I definitely know how that situation would go because, like I said, I don't care about telling people to fuck off or whatever.

[775] But I haven't really presented the idea to him like that, like reverse, like said to him specifically, you know, if this were happening to you, I would have your back kind of thing.

[776] Yeah.

[777] So, yeah, that might be an interesting perspective.

[778] It'll be a revealing test like with your boyfriend a little bit, like how he sort of absorbs.

[779] if you can be honest with him about all of this and and really like have a long conversation about it it'll be a revealing test for for how he respects you and you respect yourself and you respect the relationship yeah because there's like the first thing I was thinking of is the fear that this guy is voicing something that your boyfriend might not be able to say and that I think might be where the pain is coming from and so it'd be like if this guy stops talking then that means that whole idea is gone but really that fear is just like is this actually an issue here is this you know do you need is that are you unable to talk about that you want to spend less time together so it's now we're introducing somebody that's introducing the idea so that he's not a part of it and I obviously don't know you and don't know anything about it but that's I always think about that when I in relationships focus on things that later on I realize I was just focusing on something else because I didn't want to like put my hands on what the real problem was.

[780] Yeah, no, I mean, I've never really considered that, but that would make a lot of sense.

[781] I also have like a lot of like I really try very hard not to be like controlling in any way or anything like that.

[782] I mean, I don't feel like I really am anyway, but I do make it a point just because like his last girlfriend was kind of like just fucking nuts and would like like not even let him hang out with guys alone or anything like that like would have to just be present like with him all the time if he was going to be doing anything social just remember that that's that's what he presented to you like if you talk to her and heard her side of the story that might not be true and like you don't have to be the chill girl like I feel like we all try so hard to be like I don't care I'm so fucking chill you know and you're allowed to have your emotions.

[783] And one of those emotions sometimes is piss the fuck off.

[784] Watch a ton of porn.

[785] Yeah, I love porn.

[786] Oh, no, I'm definitely crazy.

[787] Like, I'm definitely a crazy girl also and he knows that full on.

[788] But then sometimes it's also, like, I think a good way to approach an issue that you have instead of, you know, being pissed off is to go, my feelings are really hurt by this thing and here's why.

[789] And someone can't get, I feel like if you, someone gets mad at you for saying, I have really hurt feelings and this makes me really sad.

[790] And they get mad at you for it.

[791] That's not on you.

[792] Yeah.

[793] And Katie, you know, yeah, don't, don't be afraid of the future.

[794] You're young.

[795] Yeah.

[796] You're in L .A. There's a lot of amazing people out there.

[797] Don't feel afraid to, like, feel your independence if not everything, if things aren't right.

[798] I made that mistake, I think, a little bit, like feeling like I'm checking my relationship off the list.

[799] And if that would be the, like, the final advice that I could give you would be like, know your worth, know your independent.

[800] independence know that you're young and there's so many people out there.

[801] There's so much life experience.

[802] I hope you get to live it all and experience a whole lot of people.

[803] And life is too short for you to be in relationships where you're not feeling like this isn't fully this isn't fully right or somebody doesn't have your back or somebody doesn't value you in every way.

[804] Because I view this is a bigger problem with you and your boyfriend.

[805] than anything else.

[806] And so, so please, please take that.

[807] And, and hopefully, I don't know, that's at the...

[808] Katie, are you good with this advice?

[809] Yeah, I guess.

[810] I mean, do you know what I'm saying, though?

[811] Like, have intimate conversations.

[812] I also just was curious, like, I don't know how to, if he, if this guy, the coworker, were to say something to me again in person, I guess I'm just confused about how to...

[813] What did he say to you in person?

[814] person he was like oh thanks so much for letting like your boyfriend come out tonight like and your boyfriend didn't say anything to him he didn't hear him he literally said it like in my ear as he well it sounds like he's hitting on you and it but it also sounds like if your boyfriend doesn't understand like like if you can't be honest with him and have like because listen like like shit tons of people are going to hit on you katie we live in fucking L .A it's going to happen all the time But the bigger thing, in my opinion, is the relationship with your boyfriend.

[815] And if he isn't fully empathetic, then that's something that you, that's on you then.

[816] Then you need to examine, do I want to spend time?

[817] Do I want to invest time in this relationship?

[818] And a knee to the nuts in the meantime is a great fucking way to shut someone up.

[819] You know what I'm saying?

[820] But I hope that you know that like the coworker truly, aside.

[821] Yeah, he's a creep and he wants to fuck you.

[822] But there's going to be a gazillion of those experiences that you'll have throughout the years here.

[823] So I just think that the bigger question is the relationship with your boyfriend.

[824] And that's my very strong opinion.

[825] And I'm very unqualified to do any of this.

[826] Katie, thank you so much for hanging out with us tonight.

[827] Yeah, Katie, will you give us an update?

[828] Thank you so much.

[829] Stay sexy.

[830] Don't get murdered and fuck you Sam.

[831] Hey.

[832] Thank you, Zim.

[833] All right, thanks.

[834] Stay sexy.

[835] Bye, guys.

[836] Bye.

[837] All right.

[838] That's going to end part one.

[839] So next week, we have part two where Anna will start off with your favorite murder.

[840] And then Georgia, we have yours.

[841] We have one more call.

[842] And then let's take a little break.

[843] We'll be right back.

[844] Or next week.

[845] Bye.

[846] Bye.

[847] Bye.