Wim Hof: They’re Lying To You About Disease & Inflammation!

[0] Very soon you will be in the ice bed with me. But I don't like the cold.

[1] That's cool.

[2] Yeah.

[3] Oh, gosh.

[4] Damn with your breath.

[5] Wham Hop has defied logic time and time again.

[6] He's able to withstand extreme cold and even ran to the top of Everest in his underwear.

[7] He's proven we're all capable of pushing our minds and bodies way past what was thought possible.

[8] They call me the ice man. What is the purpose of living?

[9] Happiness, strength, and health.

[10] Your rest is bullshit.

[11] But this society is sick, and we cannot deal with stress.

[12] It drains us.

[13] But if we listen to our body, we can change that through science.

[14] So what is the first step?

[15] Breathing us.

[16] It's about handling our emotion and feel that we are on top of it, no matter what.

[17] But we have never learned in our schooling how to do it.

[18] Next, through the power of the mind, we learn to make our bad feelings disease go.

[19] away.

[20] You were injected with E. coli.

[21] You had no negative immune response.

[22] You took volunteers, trained them on your techniques, and when they were injected, their responses were similar to your own.

[23] It's all possible.

[24] How do you do that?

[25] First, we have to.

[26] Wim, was there ever a time where the pain was even too much for you?

[27] My wife took her own life.

[28] And who, that led to depression.

[29] And I was not.

[30] able to do anything.

[31] There's so many people that are going through different forms of grief.

[32] What would you say to those people?

[33] The only way to break that is...

[34] What is your mission?

[35] My mission is to bring love and power.

[36] Very simple, but then through signs.

[37] So there is no speculation about it.

[38] In all these songs you hear, love is the greatest power, and all that, you know.

[39] But we should be able to feel it.

[40] And because we could not feel that anymore to be too consumed through consumerism, through everyday, very hectic, stressful lives, we get confused in it all.

[41] We are depleted in our energy.

[42] Our energy is being drained through a system that is unequally being divided in its wealth.

[43] And therefore, people are not able to use their energy to bring up the right values back in the family, which is patience, which is empathy, creativity, love, composed by happiness, strength, and health.

[44] So, because there is confusing in that area, that's why I thought, hey, I'm going to start somewhere.

[45] here and now.

[46] I'm going to change the world.

[47] And I see the wars, I see unhappiness, I see depression, I see pollution, I see abuse, I see all that.

[48] And people think that is normal.

[49] And we have to abide to those realities.

[50] And I think, no, it's sick.

[51] And what I'm going to do about it, I'm going to start looking, searching, inside.

[52] Because I think every mother in the world, should be able to bring happiness, strength and health to their children and keep it there.

[53] So that's my mission to bring it.

[54] And because nobody's listening to a person like me saying that from the roof, Oh, we'll go with love is the power and all that's there.

[55] That's why I go through science.

[56] But first, I went into the cold.

[57] And the cold I met because intuitively, I felt, Hey, a cold is able to bring down my thinking.

[58] What is it about the nature of society?

[59] When you look out on society at the moment, that makes you sad or concerned.

[60] What is it about the way we live, the way we've built this thing called society?

[61] Society is a very complex, opportunistic way through time.

[62] Nobody is able to trace it down where the problem.

[63] problems, how it has been arisen.

[64] It's too complex, too confused now.

[65] And there I say, hey, okay, this, look at the establishment.

[66] Is this perfect?

[67] Is this paradise?

[68] Noah?

[69] There's nothing wrong with our knowledge, understanding, and intelligence, but the way we use it.

[70] We have to change our consciousness.

[71] And our consciousness is our way to perceive.

[72] Perceive as what we see and what we are able to deal with.

[73] And we cannot deal with the stress coming in our lives.

[74] It consumes us.

[75] It drains us.

[76] And there we are.

[77] And look what we can do.

[78] We can go to the moon.

[79] We can go to Mars.

[80] We can build bridges.

[81] We can create AI, all those things.

[82] But we cannot create happiness, strength and health.

[83] We got to reset.

[84] So let's stop massively in the world and elevate our consciousness to being good to each other, not to be competitive.

[85] If I'm an individual listening to this and I follow your methods, what can you promise me will be the outcome on my day -to -day life?

[86] A lot more energy.

[87] That's number one.

[88] Two, you will feel just alive.

[89] What is the purpose of living?

[90] It's life.

[91] To love life as it is.

[92] Pure.

[93] No thoughts, no confusion.

[94] It's not there.

[95] Just feel alive.

[96] When you arise from the bed, you feel, okay.

[97] This is a new day.

[98] What am I going to do?

[99] I'm going to change the world today because I feel so good.

[100] And even though I'm not fully on, right?

[101] now I know it's coming and I want it I want it so much and you know what it's called purpose and that purpose I'm living it and that purpose is stronger than my thinking and this society is not driven to fulfill each and everyone's purpose it's to have the the society maintained the system maintained controlled by a couple of people.

[102] All the energy for what?

[103] Where is the happiness?

[104] Where is the strength?

[105] Where is the health?

[106] Every day when I live my purpose and I want to change the world, I want to bring love and power.

[107] And I'm doing that with mathematical precision, with the mission impossible things I found, which I tested in scientific comparative studies, showing that suddenly we have so much more control.

[108] Instead of being controlled by the system, oppressing our purpose, our life's energy, and to connect with that purpose, it's like love.

[109] When you feel love for your woman, for your love, your sex, this, this.

[110] You don't think that is that power.

[111] And that power you should be able to live and to feel for life itself every day.

[112] But we are blocked too much.

[113] Going into the cold brings you out of this thinking brain.

[114] It brings you directly into the deepest part of the brain.

[115] Because you are doing it, going into the cold, then it needs to be switched on the deepest part of the brain, survival part, the brain stem, to battle the danger of the cold, but it's there.

[116] And once it's there, and you are doing it, you are connecting.

[117] Is that part of what you're saying that the way that we live our lives is a little bit too comfortable, so we're not reaching those sort of deeper levels of our brain?

[118] We're kind of, and we are optimizing discomfort out of our lives in every chance we get you know from every you know i got here today in a nice warm car i arrived in a nice warm building i had a nice warm shower well very soon you will be in the ice bath with me it's got to be nice you know it's got to be nice but that the difference is we choose if we go to the cold and the cold will not come to us we tackle the problem before it arises within us with the cold, which is a very negative, aggressive power inflicted upon our bodies.

[119] It's an impact.

[120] When you say if we go to the cold before the cold comes to us, is that a metaphor for life?

[121] Yes.

[122] Okay.

[123] You mean we put ourselves in discomfort, and if we don't, then our lives will be met with discomfort in other ways.

[124] Yes, and then we are not prepared.

[125] Yeah.

[126] And a lot of people are maybe okay with this in this system, but so many more people are not okay with this.

[127] And for those we stand up.

[128] We who have the wealth of being and feeling okay, great, that's wealth.

[129] We should be able to stand up for those who cannot.

[130] When did this start?

[131] When did this start for you?

[132] Because a lot of people that I meet on this show, you know, their early journeys or the sort of pivotal moments in their lives can be traced back to maybe when they were 12 or 13.

[133] But your journey starts even earlier.

[134] The first domino that fell seems to fall when your mother was giving birth to you.

[135] Oh, yes.

[136] Subconsciously, it started at my birth.

[137] My mother told me, I'm one of the twins, unexpected.

[138] Back then, we had no echo graphics and all these tools.

[139] So they didn't know that there was another twin baby there?

[140] Exactly.

[141] And so I was almost born too late.

[142] They discovered me almost too late.

[143] And so I came out while they were pushing the bat with my mother to the operation room in the hallway, like purple, because almost suffocated, coming out in the cold of the hole.

[144] Very traumatized.

[145] It started over there.

[146] It started with a trauma.

[147] And let me tell you, I became a seeker because of that trauma.

[148] People become seekers.

[149] If they have deep traumas, they always will seek compensation.

[150] Always try to seek relief in one way or in another.

[151] Not directly to the trauma, but indirectly, bypassing.

[152] And they don't know.

[153] It influences directly, deeply, your behavior.

[154] in life.

[155] Just want to make sure I'm super clear on this.

[156] Your mother had two identical twin boys and the doctors only knew that one baby was there.

[157] So when they finished delivering your brother, your identical twin brother, they were moving on with the procedure.

[158] And then at the last minute, while they're in the hallway, they discovered there was another baby in there.

[159] And that other baby yourself was at risk.

[160] And from that whole sort of traumatic experience, you feel that sort of embodied a trauma, which turned you into a seeker, looking for answers on the universe, rejecting the conventional thinking.

[161] And that takes us all the way through this sort of very curious childhood up to the point you described at 17 years old, where you're stood in Amsterdam by a very, very cold lake.

[162] And you feel called to jump into that lake.

[163] Yes.

[164] Yes.

[165] Cold and cold.

[166] There are no words to describe it because you are led by intuition.

[167] You're led by a way the body is able to solve whatever is inside because you cannot relate by thinking what is going on because I was a baby back then but it always blocked me. It made me a seeker.

[168] And at that moment when I went in, I just followed to intuition.

[169] It's a feeling.

[170] And there I felt this is it.

[171] This is it.

[172] what I've always been trying to find as a seeker.

[173] My intuition had led me to go into that water to meet my trauma.

[174] And that is activating an innate capacity of ours to deal and to process whatever is going on in the deepest of the brain, in the deepest stored up tissue where is trauma present, which we haven't learned how to access.

[175] That first time you got in the cold water, did you react like I react when I get in the cold water now?

[176] Did you...

[177] No, absolutely not.

[178] I was surprising.

[179] And you will go with me later.

[180] And you will not go the way you just expressed.

[181] We will go like you will smile beautifully like you do right now.

[182] And go with me in.

[183] And there is a moment that you will feel.

[184] little bit of, boy, I'm there.

[185] We are there.

[186] You're my brother.

[187] I'm your uncle.

[188] I'm your family.

[189] I want you to feel good.

[190] I want you to, I'm here to make you strong.

[191] Strong.

[192] It means to stay in the eye of the hurricane when it is, when the stress is most.

[193] When you first got into the cold water, you said it seemed to answer a lot of your spiritual questions.

[194] Oh, yeah.

[195] Oh, yeah.

[196] All.

[197] What spiritual questions did getting in the Cold War to that first time answer for you?

[198] All what has been propagated by all the religions, all the esoteric disciplines and doctrines, that Nirvana and enlightenment, chi, prima, whatever they call it in name, that is just our mind.

[199] Let's feel strong.

[200] Let's be strong.

[201] Let's be healthy.

[202] Let's be happy.

[203] Just unconditionally.

[204] That's what I felt at that moment.

[205] This is it.

[206] And it was not words that came to me. It was a pure opening of my feeling, being uninterrupted by thinking.

[207] For many, many years you lived as a squatter.

[208] Was it from 17 to sort of 20, sort of mid -20s that you lived as a squatter?

[209] Eight years.

[210] You were best time of my life.

[211] Having no money whatsoever.

[212] However, I was in society living outside of society.

[213] I had no money.

[214] I lived off the scraps of the marketplace.

[215] And I loved it.

[216] It was a party time, was feast every day with all these other people who are free thinkers.

[217] Don't think at time.

[218] Have a sabbatical.

[219] A sabbatical of this way the system maintains itself through.

[220] paradigm, through a certain way of thinking.

[221] If you just leave it at time, you start to think, thoughts and emotions are able to emerge without this helmet on, this heavy helmet, which is interrupting your flow, your being, your expression.

[222] And then you cannot trust that expression.

[223] You are lost.

[224] You're getting lost of who you are.

[225] There, I was able to free think without even thinking about it.

[226] I played the guitar in the hallways.

[227] I did yoga, all these postures in the courtyard, naked.

[228] And in the wintertime, it became so strong.

[229] If you only let the life force express itself, you become so strong.

[230] What is the life force for anybody that doesn't know?

[231] Anybody hasn't, like here and right now.

[232] If I, like I was talking before, we entered into this podcast, 76 years old, this man was, and he was suffering from Lyme's disease, and he wanted to climb to Kilimanjaro in record time without having any experience in climbing, 76 years old, Lyme's disease, suffering.

[233] With that condition, doing a mountain, which normally, is done between five and nine days, fully dressed, because up there at 6 ,000 meters is really cold, and there is less than half the oxygen, so the cold comes even harder in, and out there I saw life force.

[234] His life force was so determined to climb with me, an impossible, physiologically impossible task, because normally between five to nine days, he did it at 31 hours.

[235] was 76 years old.

[236] What else is that than a life force you never expected it to be?

[237] Just to take on the challenge.

[238] He had a deeper feeling within himself.

[239] I don't know what I've got to do, but this guy is saying he wants to climb to Kilimanjaro past the physiological limits according to science.

[240] And I feel something.

[241] That is your life force talking to you.

[242] which wants to free itself.

[243] He was suffering from Lyme's disease.

[244] He was in the system, always abiding to everything.

[245] And suddenly, with an autoimmune disorder, he could not control at all.

[246] And there he was.

[247] So he felt the same thing as I felt when I was 17 going into the cold.

[248] He came with me, and he climbed to Kilimanjaro in 31 hours.

[249] Not five to nine days, 31 hours.

[250] So that is the life force.

[251] Our life force is capable of so much more than we are used to.

[252] Why don't we know that?

[253] Why don't we believe that?

[254] Why don't we live our lives with the opinion that we can climb the mountain?

[255] Sure.

[256] Because we are led to believe we have to serve into systems that are not necessarily, serving our soul.

[257] And they're so massively, psychologically, overwhelming the system, the schooling system, etc. It's so overwhelming that we have no way to escape from this narrowing consciousness where we got in.

[258] We think careers make us happy.

[259] Cars make us happy.

[260] Money makes us happy.

[261] Fame and name and all makes us happy.

[262] I was the happiest guy when I was in the squat, having nothing.

[263] You were effectively homeless living just outside.

[264] Yeah, yeah.

[265] A squat is a place where you have electricity, and that's it.

[266] And you got to pay for the heater.

[267] So you had to find ways to pay, say, what is it?

[268] 70 pounds a month.

[269] And you were living with lots of people.

[270] Yeah, yeah, when you were squatting.

[271] Yeah.

[272] It wasn't amazing.

[273] I mean, we don't.

[274] We don't need so much, but it has been propagated that we need a house, everybody needs a mortgage, and you got to serve that mortgage, you got to go to 9 to 5, and we become slaves, slaves of a system that is, in the end, creating quite some stress, and we are only able to survive, not to express ourselves creatively as who we are and what we are for real.

[275] What's a realistic alternative, Wim?

[276] I lived in that society.

[277] First, I lived outside through living in a squat.

[278] That was enough for me to have my own identity connected in my thinking, my mind.

[279] And then I went into society.

[280] It was horrible time because suddenly I had to live in a flat with kids.

[281] And my wife deteriorated mentally.

[282] and she took her own life in 95 and she jumped from eight stories down that that that was the the life I was in and society just keeps on going like a train it has no emotion it has no feeling whim on that you're 22 years old you're you fall in love yeah with a woman you describe as the love of your life oh that's her yes oh laia Oh, look at this.

[283] Oh, yeah, sweetheart.

[284] Amazing soul.

[285] Very expressive, very talkative to everybody, very open.

[286] And then into the shadows of her own mind and dysfunctioning, of brain functioning.

[287] And that led to her depression and then becoming manic and then schismphrania.

[288] And then worse, got worse and worse and worse and worse.

[289] we were 15 years together you met her in that squatterhouse in the squat house yes yeah amazing yeah so innocent all very innocent and I called her a butterfly mariposa in Spanish and a butterfly because she was everywhere a very light being did I fell in love or rose in love I think the last one.

[290] Only the way her mind got disturbed through this, yeah, is it society?

[291] Is it a pressure?

[292] Is it a career?

[293] Is it, what is it?

[294] Demand?

[295] Because this was a light, a being of light.

[296] You met her in that squad of house.

[297] You had two children together.

[298] Yes, in the squad and perfectly okay.

[299] And great.

[300] And great.

[301] Yeah, beautiful.

[302] Those children are right now working with me. We got an international worldwide company.

[303] When did you realize that her mental health was deteriorating?

[304] Who, yeah, probably too late.

[305] It was a decreasing kind of process in her, where she was losing the control.

[306] And I had no real means to take care of that.

[307] She went back to Pamplona.

[308] She was Spanish from origin.

[309] And she was there with her family.

[310] She would have been for months on end with her family and then come back and being mother for two days.

[311] And then suddenly collapse and being bad and being very down.

[312] again.

[313] And yeah, like a burden, burdensome.

[314] But we loved her, of course.

[315] We were trying to survive.

[316] Only after the fourth child, she wanted another child, but I said, no, you have to become better.

[317] You have to become healthy.

[318] And she said, you were a bastard.

[319] That was one month before she took her.

[320] She her own life.

[321] See, she kissed her.

[322] I was working as a mountain guide in the Pyrenees to get some money.

[323] And I also loved it.

[324] I love nature.

[325] But then, yeah, she kissed her, the kids could buy before jumping down or letting go from an eighth story.

[326] She jumped off an eighth story building.

[327] Yes.

[328] I mean, it almost takes a lot of courage to do that, too.

[329] You must be very desperate if you do a thing like that.

[330] And that is something unovercomable.

[331] Part of me, when I was 12, the world is sick, depressed, the darkness, the wars, the pollution, etc. All that, I'm going to something about it at that moment I could know I was not able to do anything so it it turned into a defeat it turned into being me hopeless it turned to me into being depressed but I had no time to be depressed I had to take care of four children on your own on my own with almost no money so that's that's that's That's actually where the cold came in, not like a negative power.

[332] The cold is stronger than your mind, than you're thinking.

[333] It makes the depth of your brain at work.

[334] And the depth of your brain is the place, the pharmacy.

[335] It's the pharmacy, the healer of our being, which we disconnected from so much.

[336] because we go for pills, medicines or go to doctor, if something happens to us, we don't go to ourselves.

[337] I can't imagine the pain.

[338] I can't imagine the pain of, you know, having the love of my life.

[339] A. Deuterre have four kids with me, but then take her own life.

[340] Grief.

[341] Oh, yes.

[342] Grief had no space.

[343] Yes.

[344] The agonement.

[345] thinking all day long has its way to burden a person, me. And, yeah, the only way to break that was going into icy water.

[346] That was, yeah, I mean, at that moment you're just surviving.

[347] And that gives you a little, little opening of this agonizing thinking, this it's painful it's a and at that moment you are so overwhelmed by all that that you now I can talk about it but back then I was in the middle of it do you remember where you were where you were when you got that phone call yes exactly and I was doing groups of people in the in the mountains.

[348] So back then you had these phone booths on the camping on the camping where we slept and with the group and there I got this phone call of her brother calling me and yeah so it is not only shocking you don't know what to say you cannot even cry.

[349] The grief comes later.

[350] The thinking about it, being able to contemplate about it and have feelings about it comes only later.

[351] I cried when I was with her father, with her father over her dead body.

[352] Then we cried together.

[353] Then you can relate.

[354] You can let go.

[355] It happens.

[356] You're not thinking about it.

[357] It happens.

[358] So that's the way it evolves.

[359] And then, but in the back of my head was, of course, my four children.

[360] It took a burden on us.

[361] It took a burden on, an inexplicable burden.

[362] It changed us.

[363] It traumatized us in the depth.

[364] And that made us separate at a certain moment, later on in life.

[365] Now we are all together, and it's amazing.

[366] The chemistry is better than I've ever before.

[367] And she, the mother, she is like an angel now.

[368] She's looking over our shoulders, and we talk about it.

[369] We say, yeah, that it is going so well with us is because she is back.

[370] She is with us.

[371] We feel it.

[372] When you had that conversation with your four children that their mother, was gone they were between seven and 12 years old yeah how do how do you have a conversation with a seven -year -old or a 12 -year -old about their mother not being here anymore exactly that way I said she is she is gone her body is gone she'd say she was dead she is not no longer with us that's what I said And they got it We are here We are together We're gonna find life With us Mommy is gone Yet also She's here I worked I mean we went on Did they ask questions Of course Of course Many questions But in the end the questions were not as strong as our being during in life, being together.

[373] It's there where I found the cold to give me all the energy to create a good atmosphere at home.

[374] The nest warmth, playfulness, being there, light, not heavy.

[375] what is that first step to because there's so many people that are going through different forms of grief or they have that trauma that you've described that goes back a long way if they're listening to this now and they've stumbled this far into the conversation and they're thinking i'm so far away from that whim i'm so far away i've got my shirt and tie on i've got i'm in the city i know i'm unhappy i can feel it in my bones but i know no other way what is the first step absolutely the breathing exercises these breathing exercises in 2014 were capable to show just like scientifically, hormonally, looking at the nervous system.

[376] The depth which we entered with these breathing exercises in this comparative study showed that we were able to tap into the autonomic nervous system and innate immune system, which was considered to be impossible inside.

[377] and now it is there.

[378] It's not only the autonomic nervous system and the innate immune system, it's also the ability naturally to solve what is deeply stored up in our tissue, which could not be processed in the moment when it happened.

[379] Trauma.

[380] Wim, I've got some of those studies in front of me. I read through all of them ahead of our conversation, and they are quite frankly remarkable.

[381] They're quite frankly remarkable.

[382] They are peer -reviewed studies that have been published, went through very sort of scientifically rigorous processes to make sure that they were valid.

[383] And in these studies, we see breakthroughs that I think in the past people thought were impossible.

[384] But if we just focus in then on that breathing, because you described that as the first step, if I have never breathed in my life, I've never done it, I've never heard about it, I'm skeptical to it, I think breathing is just something we don't think about.

[385] What you mean by breathing and what kind of breathing?

[386] And can you explain to me like I'm an idiot what it's doing?

[387] Yeah, what it is doing.

[388] For example, I'm now busy with cardiologists, and they saw in heart films that if you stop breathing after exhalation for one a half minute, five times more blood flows into the brain and to the heart.

[389] This has never been shown.

[390] And now it has been shown through these breathing techniques.

[391] I mean, this really goes so deep, we are able to make through these breathing techniques change our blood's chemistry, bring up the pH levels way up by which the breathing trigger is not happening because it's depending on the CO2 level in our blood.

[392] If we breathe, like 30 times like this, you become a little bit woozy, be a little bit dizzy.

[393] Why?

[394] Because the CO2 levels go way down.

[395] You blow it off, carbon dioxide.

[396] Have we forgotten how to breathe like that?

[397] Oh, yes.

[398] Is that the natural way of breathing?

[399] No, not exactly.

[400] Okay.

[401] What is exactly is that we have forgotten to feel deep emotions, to, to, be in connection with danger.

[402] The danger is a deep emotion.

[403] Or the cold.

[404] It's deep.

[405] We avoid these emotions.

[406] But we are built to receive it, to express it.

[407] And with that, it comes alive the deeper mechanisms in our body.

[408] And if that long term is not exercised, those deeper mechanisms, and among that is not only the emotion, it's also the immune system.

[409] It becomes weaker.

[410] We become more flaccid.

[411] We become insensitive.

[412] Look at the insensitivity in our society.

[413] Gaza is happening.

[414] Yeah, a protest here.

[415] We should stop that shit.

[416] We should stop those wars because kids, little kids, are here jeopardized.

[417] and we cannot even feel it anymore.

[418] You know, this insensitivity in us is a plague.

[419] It's a plague because we serve a system that runs well on people being obedient and being flaccid, not really sensitive.

[420] Because if you are really sensitive, you don't go to a slave job every day and come back stressed.

[421] And the other day, you do it again and again and again.

[422] again and get again.

[423] What we should do within ourselves is learning how to connect into the depth.

[424] And this is what I give through the cold.

[425] We bring these deeper emotions alive.

[426] And then you will not abide to that what makes you weak.

[427] To that what kills your purpose.

[428] We got to stand up as humanity and more now than ever.

[429] And here we are.

[430] And Whim, how do you?

[431] How do you?

[432] do you do that?

[433] Very simple.

[434] Do this breathing techniques.

[435] Do it on your bed on a sofa or very controlled because you will go past your conditioned mind and body.

[436] The shallow breathing we do, we say that is breathing.

[437] That's not breathing.

[438] That is automatic reflex of your body doing something.

[439] And there it is.

[440] Now you take over consciously, you start to breathe deeper.

[441] You go past these patterns depicted by a conditioned body.

[442] And that conditioning is only serving the system, but not necessarily you.

[443] I want you to take over the steel wheel.

[444] I want you to be conscious and then go with that conscious into deeper breathing, break the patterns of your conditioning, and suddenly your deeper traumas, your deeper feelings, are able to come to the surface, being stored up, being stashed away forever.

[445] And that is what is happening in the first session.

[446] We do, I can promise any person who is doing it will encounter such a tremendous, experience of himself from the depth coming to the surface and that's only the depth coming to the surface.

[447] That's all.

[448] And it's beautiful.

[449] I'm so intrigued as to how that happens because I've had lots of friends that are very focused on breathing using your techniques.

[450] Obviously I told you before we started recording my partner runs a breathwork studio called Bali Breathwork where she has committed her life to using the breath to heal people.

[451] But I'd like someone to explain to me, you know, how, if I take hold of the steering wheel and I go past those sort of unconscious breathing patterns, why does that unlock trauma?

[452] Because when I go to my, when I have been to my partner's breath work sessions when they end, people are talking about very deep forms of trauma that they've suddenly encountered.

[453] And I'm wondering, how is the breath doing that?

[454] How is the breath unlocking that stuff?

[455] What is, where is it hidden?

[456] You know, I don't understand the breath's connection to our trauma so traumas are a stored up chemistry it's unprocessed it's when experience happens and you cannot deal with it you can't process it you don't understand it's being stashed away and it becomes biochemical stored up uh stored up capacity of the body is simply there in our deeper tissue.

[457] But our conditioned mind and body is not able to get into that depth.

[458] Just by thinking.

[459] Yes, we are thinking too much.

[460] And we know something is wrong inside, but we cannot connect with that.

[461] Now, if we change the patterns we normally go into with our breathing and thinking, which goes paired, which controls our heart, it's conditioned.

[462] If we are into that conditioning and we start simply, and that makes it so beautiful, that it is so simple.

[463] And how it then suddenly is able to get into this tort to regulate our mood in the depth is by cannabinoid receptors.

[464] The last study we did is a landmark study.

[465] Landmark study done by Professor Vaibov -Divokar in Detroit, and it shows that the cannabinoid receptors are part of the salient network.

[466] The salient network is that what makes all the networks in the brain work together.

[467] And with that, we get a hold of areas we normally don't have connection to.

[468] So what the breathing does in the depth is activating the connectors in the body called cannabinoid receptors by which deeper realities of our physiology open up.

[469] And that is a natural thing to happen when we are in peace, no longer in the trauma, in the accident.

[470] No, now we are in peace.

[471] Now we should be able to work out what has been stored up.

[472] That is a natural capacity of ours to do that.

[473] But we have never learned in our society, in our schooling, how to do you.

[474] And not even in psychiatry.

[475] They give you pills and they give you medicines.

[476] And it makes a lot of money.

[477] But it doesn't solve the problem.

[478] People become catatonic.

[479] People become, my wife, too.

[480] After treatment in psychiatry, the first wife, she became her eyes like a zombie.

[481] Yeah, a zombie.

[482] This is a blasphemy.

[483] This is scandalous in psychiatry that they keep on doing that.

[484] Now, I get a lot of psychiatrists, a cognitive psychologist or by cognitive therapies.

[485] And they say, when the cognitive therapies have no solution anymore, we do breathing.

[486] and it just brings solution.

[487] So it is simple, so effective, but it doesn't make money.

[488] It makes people understand, I feel so much better.

[489] How is that possible?

[490] And that's simply that, how it works, we just did the landmark study with the compelling findings that we actually found interoception, interoceptive focus, suddenly being able to regulate our mood, emotion, much better.

[491] So we are able to listen, if we listen to our body and we feel bad, we can change that.

[492] We found now the key how to do that.

[493] First of all, you do the breathing, of course, cold training, not too much, never to much.

[494] Just relax.

[495] We are very capable to even take like Patrice Evra, who was completely hating it because of his when he was young, he got it as a punishment.

[496] You have to take it nice and good and open up to the natural capacity to take it on.

[497] He was the best, the absolute best taken on icy water for 16 minutes he was in and he wanted to stay there in and the BBC was like oh no this is too dangerous please come out yeah you have no you have to come out patry well okay okay and he was just walking out and you know what I felt his skin he was not even cold so just for context is that power that's that power it's so simple for people like I don't know, Patrice is a good friend of my, Patrice Ever.

[498] He's been on this podcast before, and he told me that Wim's techniques had really changed his life, especially his relationship with Cold Water.

[499] He was like me. He told himself that because of his, I don't know, his race, where he came from, his DNA, he wasn't able to spend time in Cold Water.

[500] But I think what he discovered through Wim was that that was actually a trauma because when he was younger, his father used Cold Water as a punishment.

[501] So he had this trauma with Cold Water.

[502] And after doing your program and spending time with you, he was the very, very best at staying in cold water.

[503] And when I was with him recently, he was amazing.

[504] He jumped in that cold water without flinching.

[505] And he told me that throughout his entire Manchester United playing career, he was always the one that never got into the cold recovery plunge pools at Manchester United after the game.

[506] He always avoided it.

[507] And he just wishes that he knew what he knows now about the power of cold water because then he would have been able to recover better as a player that's what he told me I have the study here in front of me that you described there I think it's the the Michigan brain over body study that was the first study and then came a second study the first study I was compared to 74 test subjects people and they were all going into having a perfusion vest what is being used when fire fighters go into the work they have a cold water going through a perfusion vest full of tubes so it's a vest where they pump cold water yes okay so they are able to endure the heat of the fire better okay to fight the fire so they took that into uh body scans fmri scans and a pump cold water into these vests while the people were motionless in these fMRIs.

[508] And so every time when the cold water was pumped in, the body's skin temperature would go down.

[509] And then warmed up again, skin temperature going up.

[510] And that correlates in the brain with stress.

[511] and those stress mechanisms then when the cold is being pumped in is very clearly seen on the monitor of these people who connected the people with electrodes and you could see it on the monitor the way the brain was being activated oh these are the stress mechanisms and now is the warmth now is the areas of well -being of the brain activated insula and the periaqueductal gray, whatever the names.

[512] I call it the positive and the negative registration of stress and or well -being.

[513] Those parts.

[514] And nobody could change that.

[515] What if we could make the feeling well part of the brain at work when the stress comes in.

[516] So what if we could choose to feel good when the stress comes?

[517] Ah.

[518] This was never been shown in psychiatry.

[519] So they had this experimental module there and then nobody could make a different brain scan possible.

[520] When stress comes in through the cold being pumped in to the skin, then stress part of the brain is actually.

[521] nobody could make that not go activated not go away and I could I didn't feel the cold when it came in because I warmed up my body willfully nobody believed that was possible until you did it I want to just recount the first study which was done and published in 2018 it was carried out a Wayne State University in Michigan and scientists looked at the way that the body and the brain reacted to changes in temperature.

[522] Whenever anyone feels the cold, they typically have an automatic bodily response, but also you can see that response in the brain, the narrowing of blood vessels to protect organs, increased energy and pain signals.

[523] So to test whether you could control that, those responses to the cold, scientists created a full body suit in which they would pump cold or warm water into your body.

[524] On normal test subjects, their skin temperature would rise and fall with the change in water temperature, which is what you'd expect.

[525] When Wim underwent the experiment, without his breathing techniques, his skin temperature changes were very similar to the normal people.

[526] However, when he used the breathing and meditation techniques, he kept a sustained skin temperature of 34 degrees over 25 minutes, which was never thought to be humanly possible.

[527] When he was put in a PET scan to see what was happening inside his body, scientists saw that the intercostal muscles, which is the muscles between your ribs, were burning a lot of glucose from releasing heat into your body, which was keeping your body warm.

[528] When looking at Wim's brain, scientists saw that it didn't have the same unconscious reaction to the cold as normal people's brains did.

[529] His breathing technique engaged the sympathetic nervous system, releasing adrenaline and triggered the area of the brain stem, which is that area you were describing before.

[530] That perceives pain.

[531] The triggering of the brain stem released cannabinoids and opioids, and these chemicals gave a sense of well -being and reduced anxiety.

[532] And this study showed that WIM had control over the autonomous systems of the brain and the brain's automatic responses to the cold.

[533] The results of this study have been tremendous, and they have proven the massive potential implications for the immune system disorders like diabetes, MS and arthritis in psychiatry.

[534] So the TLDR of that is the study really proved that the stress we encounter throughout our lives, we do have control over it.

[535] We have control over the impact it has on our physiological systems, but also, you know, our brain and how we experience it.

[536] Because you were able to not experience cold, the pain of cold, the stress of cold.

[537] And it was not about the cold.

[538] It was about how to deal with stress.

[539] Stress can come in many ways, emotionally, physically.

[540] spiritually.

[541] It can come in many ways.

[542] In the end, it is biochemical stress.

[543] It turns into biochemistry, neurotoxins, etc. It accumulates.

[544] It gets in the body.

[545] It creates blockages.

[546] It drains and you don't know what to do with it.

[547] And then medicines come in and pills.

[548] And it only deteriorates.

[549] It gets worse.

[550] And that besides of the side effects.

[551] Thing is, I used the clothes.

[552] back when I was with my wife who died to get my emotional agony out of the way.

[553] And it was the doorway to open up my healing, my spiritual healing, of me as a puppy, of my children, just to be happy with them and to provide energy and well -being without this traumatizing darkness around us.

[554] So I found it through the cold, yet it is not about the cold.

[555] It's about that I regained mastery over my, to bring back my emotion uninterrupted, because we should be able to guide our emotional state of being any time when we feel bad.

[556] Naturally.

[557] Naturally.

[558] And that is what this shows.

[559] And now, upon this, study they did another study and then they saw even without me now people can do this and that's what I wanted that is the study a landmark study being done last January published so that's 24 and six years past the COVID and all and now they see compelling evidence to keep on and to make these studies much bigger because their potential is that we found the key called interoception to be so strong that we are able to control our emotional well -being throughout whatever stress there is.

[560] It's not just our emotional well -being, it's also our immune system.

[561] Of course.

[562] That goes also with it.

[563] Isn't a healthy person, a happy person, kind of, you know, isn't it interrelated?

[564] I want to just highlight this because this, for me, when I heard this many years ago, I thought this was, I thought this couldn't possibly be true.

[565] But in 2010, when you were 51 years old, you took part in a study at Randbound University Medical Center in the Netherlands, where you were injected with a bacterial toxin, a dead strain of E. coli.

[566] In previous, studies of 100 healthy people, they responded to that injection with a flu -like response, which is what you'd expect.

[567] You'd get the flu if you were injected with that.

[568] However, when you were injected with that bacterial toxin, you had no negative immune response, apart from a minor headache.

[569] Your blood results also showed the release of cortisol, adrenaline, and the messenger chemical IL -10, which is an anti -inflammatory protein.

[570] all of which helped you to fight off that bacteria.

[571] However, to prove that this wasn't just you being some superhuman, scientists gathered 30 male volunteers, 12 were put into a control group, which meant that they were just normal, and 18 were trained by you.

[572] You took 18 of them to Poland for four days to train them on meditation, cold exposure, and your breathing techniques.

[573] And when they were injected with the bacterial toxin, the dead strain of ecoli the trained group had a significantly less immune response recovered quicker and their bodily responses were similar to your own this was a major scientific breakthrough and it showed people could voluntarily control their automatic nervous system and immune response which was previously thought to be impossible and that's the viewer the viewers looking at this now that's you and that's where we want to reach out to, you have the absolute capacity to rule so much better within your own body.

[574] And I'm doing the science, I'm following the science.

[575] And I think it's scandalous of the scientific community not to have dove upon this.

[576] Why don't we?

[577] Is it because it's difficult?

[578] No, it's not difficult.

[579] It's not, now like, I don't know, over the 100 million people are doing this.

[580] But through the scientific world, which is also in the beginning of this conversation, it's corrupted.

[581] They get funding from the pharmaceutical industry, and that's all good, etc. I'm not messing with them.

[582] But natural ways that could equalize the results of medicines without side effects should at least have a thorough examination by the scientific.

[583] elite world.

[584] Can I just, I want to make sure I'm super clear on what's going on here and what's achieved these phenomenal results.

[585] By having a sort of doing some of these techniques that help us to unlock the stress and the trauma that's deep in our body and that enable us to create a better response with stress, we're able to guard off the stress, which means we're able to protect our well -being, which means that we're able to fend off disease, because we all know that when we're highly stressed, our immune system falls and we get sick.

[586] I know in my life, whenever I'm really stressed is the only time that I'll ever get a cold or anything like that.

[587] Is that the simple way of describing what's going on here?

[588] Yes.

[589] Yes.

[590] We have this innate capacity to heighten our buffer zone toward stress by which stress is not able to do its damage.

[591] And is part of the problem with the modern way of living that we've chosen medication as the answer too often, and we've also made our lives a stress phrase we possibly can?

[592] Absolutely, absolutely.

[593] There is no doubt about it, and it is a dead end street, by the way.

[594] And the whole healthcare system is burdened by the finances and all.

[595] It's going to collapse anyway, if it keeps on going.

[596] But because it is a money -making way, that's why they will keep on going until it collapses.

[597] I had Professor Friedrich in Magdeburg on the line talking about, he said to me, Wim, the democracy, as we know it, actually is at peril in danger.

[598] Why?

[599] Because the people are becoming so weak.

[600] And we, the democracy, is only composed by the strength of the people.

[601] Once we get all weaker, a system which is corrupt just to make money, a healthy economy on sick people that wants to stay that way, makes the people weaker and weaker by which they do.

[602] democracy will know its ant, will collapse.

[603] And I said, hey, that weakness in the democracy in people, I can make it go away in one week.

[604] Simply sense, talking to this professor.

[605] And he agreed because he saw it.

[606] He saw it in the people.

[607] He knew it.

[608] He knew it from anecdotal evidence.

[609] He knew it from his family, taken up these.

[610] crazy Wimhoff techniques going in to call Wimhoff, whatever, is a brand name.

[611] I'm a simple guy.

[612] I know what it is to have nothing at all, to be a nobody.

[613] And now I got a name and fame and all that.

[614] I don't care.

[615] It's okay.

[616] If I got to stand up, I will.

[617] And I will say, hey, here I am, Wimhoff, the Iceman.

[618] And I will change the world.

[619] How?

[620] Through making you better than who you think you could be.

[621] And that is through the Wimhoff method.

[622] And fasting is good too.

[623] To deprive yourself in different ways, hormatically, that is self -inflicted, acute, stressful exercise.

[624] But do it consciously.

[625] If you don't go to the cult, the cult will come to you.

[626] If you don't go to distress, the stress will come to you.

[627] Because we are built to endure.

[628] We are built.

[629] We got these capacities.

[630] So if we go into the cold, you will see that your whole body is able to handle stress so much better.

[631] And when you know you are going into a stressful event of any kind, you know, willfully to connect yourself, make your body from the inside so strong that the stress out there is no problem.

[632] There's three elements to this Wim Hof method.

[633] There's three pillars to the method.

[634] The first is that conscious breathing.

[635] So let's just make sure we've covered that off.

[636] If I want to be able to just do this at home, if I'm listening now and I'm in my car or I'm walking the dog or whatever, I'm on a plane, what is the sort of key parts of doing the breathing technique correctly?

[637] Yes.

[638] Do it safe.

[639] Yeah.

[640] So never outside to where you can lose control.

[641] Okay.

[642] You know, when you drive and you lose control, that's no good.

[643] When you are in a swimming pool, you lose control, that's no good.

[644] When you are at an abyss and you lose control, no good.

[645] You know, wherever your motorical power is needed to be in control, don't do it there.

[646] Therefore, we say strictly, this is a powerful medicinal, therapeutical exercise through specific breathing patterns.

[647] teach me we take on if for example we are sitting now yeah it's safe to do it here yeah even if you faint now then yeah you would maybe fall here on the ground is a soft uh carpet here there's no problem okay so relax it's a this is also these moments when you're okay relax i'm now turning myself into myself because i'm going to breathe deeper i'm going to go past my normal control mode normal conditioning normal thinking so okay am i here yes i'm here okay here we go we have a belly we have a chest that those muscles are connected to the lungs so use your belly and use your chest to inhale fully you can go through your mouth through your nose as you feel.

[648] How do I know if I'm doing it correctly with my belly?

[649] Yeah, just.

[650] So two breaths in?

[651] Yeah, and a certain moment it becomes one.

[652] Keep on going.

[653] Fully in.

[654] As deep as possible and let it go.

[655] Just let it go.

[656] And then fully in again.

[657] As deep as possible, let it go.

[658] And all in.

[659] Let it go.

[660] And all in.

[661] Let it go.

[662] The mind goes with the breath.

[663] Julian, let it go.

[664] And all in, let it go.

[665] We are blowing, keep on going.

[666] Falling off the CO2 carbon dioxide.

[667] Can become a little bit disease.

[668] But that's okay.

[669] Your body is charging up.

[670] It's changing.

[671] your blood chemistry is changing you bear your pH levels go up in your blood we do 10 more fully in just follow the breath whatever feels different breathe into it let it go and all in let it go this morning at five o 'clock i was doing this because i was preparing to be freed in my biochemistry of any shit and this is cleansing the barrier chemistry trauma anything anything that is deeply in is being clear yeah five more let it go fool in let it go All in.

[672] Let it go.

[673] All in.

[674] Let it go.

[675] Last one.

[676] Hold in.

[677] Let it go.

[678] And stop after the exhalation.

[679] Close your mouth.

[680] No breathing.

[681] No need.

[682] Your pH levels are way up.

[683] There's no need for breathing.

[684] What is going to happen is what I was saying, before after one minute and there is no need for breathing because the breathing trigger depends on CO2 CO2 is blown off you are biohacking your body you're going deep you're going past the conditioned mind and body you're going deeper in the tissue now you're entering into the deepest part of your brain it's going to shoot out adrenaline, epinephrine.

[685] The adrenal axis is now in activation.

[686] Now slowly but surely five times more blood will flow into your brain and your heart.

[687] You feel peaceful.

[688] You have it fully in control.

[689] Yet the deepest of your mechanisms and the deepest of your brain are at work right now.

[690] And because you are doing it, you are connecting with those mechanisms.

[691] That's the way we learn to gain control over these mechanisms.

[692] And you're still without breathing.

[693] Even normally you would die like, you're breathing, breathing, and you're peaceful.

[694] You're completely in control over your parasympathetic nervous system, which is deep, autonomic nervous system level.

[695] And you are in control right now.

[696] this is where trauma is starting to release five four three two one now you take a full breath in hold it and press it to your head press it to your head press it to your head this is subliminal cerebral spinal fluid to your head it's flushing in and all brain 100 % neural active three, two, one, let it go.

[697] Good.

[698] If we go into a next round, you will be able to go, say, for two minutes without breathing, then two and a half minutes, then three minutes.

[699] After exhalation, it cannot be something else than regaining a control deeper than ever before thought possible.

[700] And this is what we have shown.

[701] This is where the bacteria suddenly had no chance.

[702] The virus has no chance.

[703] Why is it that the world doesn't know about this?

[704] Why is it that a scientific world is not examining this as a beneficial therapeutic power to battle all the diseases we got?

[705] Because aren't we built within an immune system that should halt virus, bacteria, inflammation it is but it is never at way because this is deeper than our condition body and mind and this is the way to get a hold of that it feels so I feel very different in every in every sense of the word I feel when I came back into the room it all felt very it almost felt a little bit like I just woken up but it also I was a little you know it was a little bit of it was very peaceful peace and I was very um when I came back into the room I felt very very focused.

[706] Nice.

[707] This is the last study I did with 540 people in Australia.

[708] It shows that this method is compared to meditation and mindfulness works a whole lot better.

[709] How did you learn this?

[710] Where did you learn this?

[711] By intuition.

[712] You remember the mother who made me become a mission.

[713] become a seeker.

[714] And then I found the cold water.

[715] What does the cold water do?

[716] First time you go into cold water, you learn to breathe deep.

[717] And that makes all the change.

[718] At a certain moment, I became aware that if I was breathing deeper, slowly and deep, slowly and deep, I was able to endure the cold much longer.

[719] That means that if we go into deeper breathing, we are.

[720] able to activate deeper mechanisms that are able to make us a lot stronger and that translates to life yeah translates to everyday life i want to get on to the cold water which is the sort second pillar of the wimhoff method but the third pillar i find really interesting as well which is the power of the mind exactly what you mean by this the power of the mind you're telling me that i can do things to my mind to make my mind stronger and more resilient oh yes oh yes what do you mean by the power of the mind first of all we just recently did this new study it's coming out now it's into submitting and they did it with 540 people so meditation and mindfulness is about the mind isn't it to bring anxiety down to bring stress down this method works better than mindfulness and meditation which is in the corporate world but also in the wellness industry overall and also therapeutically in the health mental health care systems being accepted and implemented and used as a therapeutic a therapeutic a therapeutic means so this works better the stress resilience goes way up stress experience goes way down and a cognitive awareness goes also way up is what you just said and this was only one round imagine if you do four rounds you will go so deep that's yeah unprecedented deep where you will go and things can come to the surface, never been stashed away, you never knew of, or we're not aware of, and all.

[721] This is all blocking our awareness.

[722] And now when it's getting out of the way, then suddenly our awareness becomes bigger, brighter, nicer, more flow, more receptive, more sharper, clearer, and all.

[723] And that is part of a system that suddenly is able to override our conditioning.

[724] So our conditioning is a conditioning where in deeper mechanisms are not really at work, but we are able to function in this society system, etc. But not necessarily we are connected with the depth of ourselves.

[725] And when trauma happens or emotions start to be not nice, we don't know what to do with that.

[726] Now, the power of the mind is very simple.

[727] Through doing this, you learn to override to create a different conditioned mind and body relationship.

[728] And suddenly opens up a new terrain, a new capacity in the brain to connect with.

[729] And that is interoception.

[730] Interoception.

[731] Interoception.

[732] And with that, we suddenly learn to control and to command our bodies, a vessel of our emotions, of our sensations, of whatever we experience, that's our body.

[733] But when it feels bad, we don't know what to do.

[734] And now we found a way to go past that conditioned state, and we found a new way in the brain and get a hold of that, which is there naturally to control whatever is going wrong, to re -regulate it, to rebalance it, to reset it, to make our bad feelings, emotions, disease, et cetera, make it go away in our command.

[735] That is the power of the mind, which is a natural capacity of ours, which should be revealed past the system way of thinking and be brought into secondary school or even when kids are very young, that they are able to depict their own happiness, strength and health.

[736] Is part of the building up the power of the mind becoming, stepping into personal responsibility and stepping away from victimhood?

[737] Yes, because victimhood is no longer needed.

[738] responsibility is there where we have the ability to respond and these are the tools then suddenly we feel we got to steer wheel in our hand how do you train someone though to stop being a victim in their own life in one session how just do this breathing yeah and then we go into the ice bath they suddenly feel power sorry that i'm yelling you can yell Yeah, it's power.

[739] People feel being silent in that ice bath, overcoming all that stress, and suddenly feel that they are on top of it, and they are suddenly able to go past this concept of this dangerous cold, power, energy, come into no control, this anxiety.

[740] Suddenly, they got a halt, complete halt over that.

[741] And with that, that paradigm that always thought of that to be impossible to control, suddenly it's a piece of cake.

[742] That is then turning into a domino effect, a cascade of feelings of, hey, if I can do that, I can do that, I can do that, I can do that.

[743] So you can build personal responsibility by taking control of the cold and not...

[744] Oh, absolutely.

[745] And just one day.

[746] Okay.

[747] Well, guess what whim?

[748] Upstairs, I have two ice baths.

[749] I've always been bad with the cold, always.

[750] It's a story I've told myself for my entire life.

[751] So seeing as you're here and seeing as I just happen to have two ice baths upstairs, could we go upstairs and get in those ice baths and you can teach me how to master the cold to the cold no longer masters me?

[752] Follow me on this.

[753] I'm just a brother of another mother in this.

[754] yeah we are like family family people have the capacity to transmit their energy it's logical it's it's nothing uh huah it's real and you will feel it's real today here in the ice just follow me there in and very soon you take the reins over you yourself let's do okay with you, breath.

[755] We have friends.

[756] Come on.

[757] We show the world from the inside is the power.

[758] Let the body do what the body is capable of.

[759] Long out, breath.

[760] Long out, breath.

[761] Long out.

[762] You're doing good.

[763] Look at the thing.

[764] You didn't think this one, like this yet.

[765] You're doing good.

[766] get and let your body do what the body is capable of it takes about 20 seconds more then then your body is adapting from the inside that means that the hormonal system suddenly has found your way to oppose the impact and that makes your body strong that makes your immune system on that makes your emotions being within your control the deepest part of the brain now is within because you are doing it is within your command and that is a re -establishing natural power of us this is what we are going to bring to the whole wide of world because we love the people and we bring happiness, strength and health now it's power this is power but science Nice.

[767] How simple it can be.

[768] I'm not a sorcerer or something.

[769] Or a magician.

[770] Life is magic.

[771] Yes.

[772] Let's get to life.

[773] Look at us.

[774] He was afraid of the cold.

[775] Hey, the cold is not mine.

[776] I've got a warm body.

[777] It's just not mine.

[778] Look at them now.

[779] You can't buy this.

[780] You can obtain this.

[781] Happiness.

[782] health and strength, you can obtain it.

[783] You just go to the cold and the cold doesn't come to you.

[784] Do you do this every day?

[785] Yeah.

[786] Yeah.

[787] I love it.

[788] What time of the day do you do it?

[789] In the morning, in the morning.

[790] And how long would you sit in here in the morning?

[791] Sometimes I had a birthday.

[792] When I became 60, I thought, I'm going to show the world that I'm fucking strong.

[793] Sorry for the French.

[794] But I'm going to stay 60 minutes in.

[795] in the icy water.

[796] And I had to happy times.

[797] And 61, I did 61 minutes.

[798] 62, I did 62 minutes.

[799] 63.

[800] And when I became 64, I thought, that's boring.

[801] Not you're going to do this anymore.

[802] Your nature is on, inside.

[803] And that's the whole message.

[804] And with that comes there a strengthened immune system, a strengthened cardiovascular system.

[805] Cardiovascular related issues is killer number one in our society.

[806] Through this, it's gone.

[807] This is the way to tackle it.

[808] Connection with the depth of the brain, the deepest part of the brain.

[809] And if you are able to go to the deepest part, where else can you not go?

[810] So if I did this one today, you think I'd be better equipped to deal with the stress of work and the stress of life.

[811] Of course.

[812] Man, and you don't need to go this long into an ice bath.

[813] Two, three minutes is enough?

[814] How don't we've been any minutes?

[815] Six minutes.

[816] It doesn't feel cold anymore, though.

[817] I actually feel a bit warm, funnily enough.

[818] My legs feel like they're warm, but I don't know if that's just something from my leg, probably shutting down or something.

[819] Okay, I think now this time enough.

[820] Come louder you did it.

[821] Come on.

[822] Well, I'm done, man. Amazing.

[823] Thank you so much.

[824] It was so interesting.

[825] The first 20 seconds of that process are so fascinating because I had to confront a lot of things.

[826] I had to confront a lot of natural reactions that told me to stop, to get out, to, you know, my body went into like a phase of panic.

[827] And it's funny because as I reflect on that feeling of like panic, it was like a wall.

[828] and it was a wall that I had to make a decision about going through or going backwards.

[829] And I say this because I think in a lot of our lives, we're surrounded by these walls.

[830] And in many of our lives, actually, the walls kind of close in on us.

[831] And what I learned in the first sort of 20 seconds of that process was that that wall was something I created myself.

[832] It was a figment of my imagination.

[833] And as I sat there for five, six minutes, my body almost, almost, said to me, it was like, sorry, I was lying.

[834] I was lying to you.

[835] Something was lying because five, six minutes in, I'm completely fine.

[836] But in that first 20 seconds, some panic signal went off and told me to retreat.

[837] And so I just find that so fascinating.

[838] It's like, there's something about breaking through a wall that you once really believed was real, that illuminates your mind to the, what other kind of self -limiting beliefs you're currently constrained by in everyday life you know i could i couldn't say it better self -limiting belief beliefs coming in at a certain moment become blockages become patterns become conditioned and that conditioning withholds us from going through things when they come to our lives because they are too stressful They are mirroring that what we, through our self -believing, limiting way of thinking, have created them.

[839] We see it outside, and we don't go in it, we don't go through it anymore, and thus we don't find these things in our lives anymore to, as life's lessons.

[840] It's no longer there.

[841] And there we limit ourselves and become narrowed.

[842] So what we have found now through these practices is that we are able to command our bodies so much better to go through the self -limiting, this conditioning, because most of the time it is that we get schooled, that we have to follow rules, ethics, morals, et cetera.

[843] At a certain moment, we got a belief system that is not necessarily who we are in the depth and this is where this society is suffering a big time of having no connection with this invisible purpose of ours which is there but it's behind the wall and simply through doing this you see you have the power to go through these walls You have the power to become exactly who you are and what you are.

[844] That is what the cold is showing.

[845] It doesn't show what you think.

[846] It shows you who you are and what you are.

[847] And from there, you will see that the walls in your life of whatever invisibly stalking you will disappear.

[848] Is this in part why it seems like a lot of people in society, right now are choosing discomfort because you know we've got kind of gone one way as a society we've gone to comfort and then you've got this counter movement of people that are now doing ultramarathon runs and they're cold plunging and they're they're doing things to put themselves in intentional discomfort it seems like it's for me it's i've observed it like a counter movement yes and it is and it is but the thing is now that we are showing inside and with the Professor Weybe of Divakar, mostly in Autumusic, that we found a key.

[849] And the key is the innate capacity of ours to command our bodies much better in our emotions.

[850] Because in the end, it's not about going into the extremes.

[851] It's about handling our emotion and to feel that we are on top of it, no matter what.

[852] And that being able to be able.

[853] able to pass on to our children.

[854] The way reactionarily we go into these extremes and all, that is a reaction of our massive paradigm encountering too much comfort.

[855] Now, let's go to that.

[856] But that's reactionary.

[857] human is it that we actually are here to learn to have a hold, absolute hold over our emotion, which is directly connected to our purpose.

[858] Because from the beginning, the problem, the conflict is the conflict with our soul.

[859] And our soul is about when we realize our soul and the unlimited power, of the mind serving us to find the realization of that soul, and that is for every person unique.

[860] What are the other things that are like staples of your daily routine?

[861] Eat once a day.

[862] You eat once a day?

[863] Yeah.

[864] So can you run me through a perfect Wimhoff day?

[865] Yeah, in the morning I wake up next to my wife and my child.

[866] My youngest is sick.

[867] And actually there is a new one coming.

[868] I'm 65, but hey man, I'm alive.

[869] I'm sorry.

[870] And I got a yeah, I found a younger woman eight and a half years ago.

[871] We are very happy together.

[872] And she says, don't talk about that.

[873] I'm sorry.

[874] But I'm very happy.

[875] My oldest son is 42 and my youngest is going to be zero very soon.

[876] So.

[877] That's life.

[878] I wake up and I look at my beloved's next to me, still sleeping.

[879] Wow, you're like angels.

[880] What time do you wake up?

[881] 5 o 'clock.

[882] 5 o 'clock, half past 5, half past 4, around there.

[883] Why so early?

[884] That is me now.

[885] Sometimes I just sleep until 9 o 'clock.

[886] I'm not really bound.

[887] Okay.

[888] But time is serving me. I'm not serving time.

[889] In the morning, I do my exercising, a ritual.

[890] And I like my coffee in the morning.

[891] I start no sugar, just coffee, a little bit milk, nice.

[892] What are those exercising routines?

[893] You saw me doing the splits.

[894] I want to do a world record, by the way, in 3rd of August in Germany, with 4 ,000 people doing this.

[895] And do you use weights or anything?

[896] Yeah, also.

[897] Yeah, use weights.

[898] Before not.

[899] Okay.

[900] I did push -ups.

[901] It's like weight.

[902] Yeah.

[903] It's your own weight.

[904] So you can do that or weights.

[905] And I got a bar where normally you got put the weight on.

[906] You do this.

[907] It's about 10K.

[908] I make it circle like a stick.

[909] if you do that 500 times you really go deep you go to your pain if I do exercises I do it to the threshold of pain and then I overcome the pain then it's okay that is body awareness that body awareness I want to know feel feel that I live Not know, feel that I'm alive.

[910] When's that first meal of the day?

[911] Later, later in the day.

[912] So no breakfast?

[913] No, no, no breakfast.

[914] No lunch.

[915] Why?

[916] Why no lunch?

[917] Because I feel stuffed up.

[918] I feel too much.

[919] This is also part of conditioning.

[920] I could also enjoy a very nice breakfast.

[921] Very nice breakfast is very nice.

[922] You know, with the sea and sitting there, relax.

[923] some eggs, some this, some that, nice coffee, how are you, the newspaper, or look at the phone.

[924] It's enjoying life.

[925] I could do that.

[926] But I really enjoy the feeling that I'm fasting inside a little, that I'm going against, like the cold.

[927] If you go to the cold, then the cold doesn't come to you.

[928] when the appetite comes, I just delay.

[929] So you fast for, you're doing sort of intermittent fasting there, as they call it.

[930] Yeah, but I did this since I was a young kid.

[931] Again, intuition.

[932] Yeah, intuition.

[933] It's just how you felt.

[934] Yes.

[935] Because the external narrative is you've got to have three meals a day, maybe four meals a day.

[936] You've got to have breakfast, you know, lunch, dinner.

[937] No, no, no. Yeah, this is just made up.

[938] It's made up.

[939] you should feel like any animal in the world is not eating when it doesn't need to eat because it doesn't think it only eats when it feels and when it feels that it needs to eat his eyes become bigger becoming more alert adrenaline starts to run they become sharper then all the systems are at work that is the way it's automatically exercises it's all of body that's how i i live my life and i've always thought i was a bit strange but we're now at 1 p .m i haven't eaten anything today sometimes i get a little bit later into the day i mean yesterday this week it's been 5 6 p .m i think yesterday was 7 p .m my first meal and i i i'm okay i don't know what the you know but i yeah you enjoy life you enjoy the energies i focus better i have better conversations yeah yeah all that If you fast a little bit, and then you become sharper.

[940] And it's a nice feeling.

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[953] When you look at our society and these sort of stories we've told ourselves about how we're supposed to live, what are the other, are there anything else that's really fundamental that you think people should question?

[954] You've talked to me about the breath.

[955] You've talked to me about discomfort.

[956] Breathing is one of them.

[957] You've talked to me about fasting as well.

[958] Is there anything else that, you know, whether it's relationships or our work or our purpose, that is just a lie in your opinion.

[959] Oh yes.

[960] Our energy is being drained.

[961] It's like thieving.

[962] And we should have all the energy to bring happiness, strength and health to our kids and to feel bright, bright and shining in life.

[963] But we don't because we have to do this, do death, take on stress and think about this, think about that.

[964] Who did this?

[965] Whatever did this is a massive paradigm going on, taking our energetic bodies, and with that our emotions, and with that our life force, and there it is.

[966] The real philosophy serves that paradigm where one becomes happy, strong, and healthy, and is able to pass it on.

[967] You're only good if you are able to be happy, strong, healthy inside, and then pass it, irradiate that to others.

[968] There you go, pass your ego.

[969] And we don't live that.

[970] We survive in this society.

[971] We live in a competitive world.

[972] We have all kinds of rules in this and that, but do we really feel bright?

[973] And the top, the best of ourselves, are we able to give?

[974] give love in full conviction that it is good and to others.

[975] Are we there?

[976] I don't think so.

[977] And that is what we are going to bring.

[978] When you say you need to live in your purpose, how do I know what my purpose is?

[979] Do I have to go find it somewhere?

[980] Do I...

[981] You know what?

[982] Just be happy, strong and healthy.

[983] Rest is bullshit.

[984] Just be happy, strong and healthy, and purpose will follow.

[985] Yes.

[986] That is the purpose.

[987] The characteristics of purpose is not to be in conflict with your soul.

[988] Happy, strong and healthy.

[989] Then you become happy, strong and healthy.

[990] You don't need to work for that so much.

[991] A couple of exercises more than enough.

[992] If I do my exercise, and not the whole day you're working out, it's 10 minutes, 15 minutes.

[993] but I'm ready this morning because later I have a keynote speech and I got to go to the record label I got to meet somebody who is managing by the government mid -school of England I got to meet them and something else I thought okay today I got to be ready so what I'm doing I breathe like a motherfucker in there, morning, in bed, and cleanse myself so deeply that I'm ready to take on anything that is coming.

[994] And in that way, I will absolutely serve, and especially being with you, which is a pleasure, a great pleasure.

[995] We are serving purpose right over here, unmistakably, straight.

[996] When we have a closing tradition on this podcast, where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest.

[997] And my last guest left a question for you that is inside the diary of a CEO.

[998] And the question that was left for you is, what is one thing you can do next week to prove to your friends or family that they matter to you more than your work?

[999] Oh, work like work 9 to 5 is work Because my work is my life My work is my mission And in the end it is not work I feel all the power to do that So next week More than my work To keep on what I'm doing right here right now Do you believe in like work -life balance You know people say work -life balance You've got to Yeah my wife is talking about that but I don't I don't feel that I feel I'm busy with my mission and with my daily life at the same time there is no work I have no 9 to 5 I think you have no 9 to 5 too you know we depict our own realities I think our power is stronger than they made us think it is by which we have a power which is stronger than what is man -made coming to us we are stronger and that's why we go and we don't work you know yeah we work the game we work the society we work at all but hey it's not like 9 to 5 and we got to obey and this and that we don't do that why you got a maybe unexplainable um genetical power in you that made you into who you are and what you are right now.

[1000] You got a great responsibility, but also that great ability to respond.

[1001] And that is more than 9 to 5.

[1002] That person, this is my last question today, that person who is in that 9 to 5, and they are struggling and they are trapped, and they have been conditioned by school, university, their parents' desires who were also, you know, their parents were also conditioned in that way.

[1003] What would you say to those people as a closing message to those people?

[1004] Oh, yeah, guys, just do what Stephen just showed.

[1005] You thought you were not able to, I cannot do what Iceman is doing or what Stephen is God or what he is doing.

[1006] And I cannot.

[1007] Amen, you can do that too.

[1008] The most precious of all, the greatest wealth you can embrace, is your happiness, your strength, and your health, and you can get it every day.

[1009] Anybody.

[1010] That's you.

[1011] That's you.

[1012] It's love.

[1013] It's powerful.

[1014] Wim, thank you.

[1015] Thank you so much for your time.

[1016] You've been a legend and an icon and an inspiration to me, to my partner, Melanie, and to so many people.

[1017] I mean, all these people have written on the front of the book, I actually think every single one of these people I've sat down here with, from Joe to Ben to Bear to Russell, all of them.

[1018] Russell, do.

[1019] Oh, Fern, I've sat with her as well, Anne Gable and James Nester.

[1020] All seven people on your book I've gotten to know.

[1021] And many of them have mentioned the profound impact that your work has had.

[1022] And I was, before we sat down today, that I was going through so many videos of people who describe how you've changed their life in a really, really profound way.

[1023] So on behalf of all of those people.

[1024] You did you.

[1025] That's your work, You do the study, you study people coming because next week or tomorrow, I don't know when, and new people come in and you study again.

[1026] Yeah, that's amazing.

[1027] Thank you for all that you're doing because you're providing a counter -narrative and a counter -solution in a world where it feels like there's only one and that current solution is failing so many.

[1028] So thank you for that win.

[1029] We have to change the narrative.

[1030] And we will because we want to make the people happy, strong and healthy.

[1031] and independent of all what is going on.

[1032] We got to reset it all.

[1033] Here we are.

[1034] Here we are.

[1035] Thank you.

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