262 - Live at the Civic Theatre in San Diego, CA (2019)

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] And first show.

[2] First show of the tour.

[3] We got to get on it.

[4] You got to get our timing down.

[5] Does this go up to the sky, this theater?

[6] You don't need that many balconies.

[7] Well, that's why they have binoculars.

[8] We're not wearing these because these are a thing now.

[9] They have binoculars that you could buy in the lobby.

[10] That's how far away people are.

[11] Binocular thar Do you understand how this theater works?

[12] I'm already learning things about myself in this tour like I don't know how to use a pair of binoculars.

[13] Is it just a twisty twist until you...

[14] Twisty twist.

[15] Here's...

[16] Like so?

[17] Like that?

[18] What I love about these is I can see exit signs so fucking clearly.

[19] Just what I'm here for.

[20] You're at the opera just staring at exit signs.

[21] Yes.

[22] Yes, I'm going to escape that way and that way.

[23] Uh -oh.

[24] The problem with the first night of the tour is that you realize you should have done so many things in the past month and week and day to prepare, and then you're like, well, they won't see it that my nails are disgusting or whatever.

[25] And then they have binoculars, and they can see everything.

[26] How about that?

[27] Can you see that?

[28] How about that?

[29] Let me see.

[30] These are broken.

[31] Closer or further away?

[32] Can't see you like a thing.

[33] Should I walk over here and flip you off?

[34] Truly, the list is long.

[35] It'd be kind of cool if we could start a trend of people wearing binoculars as necklaces.

[36] Yeah.

[37] Pretend we all like it.

[38] Yeah, yeah.

[39] When it's actually quite heavy and bad on your spine.

[40] And your eyes.

[41] You don't need to see anything that closely.

[42] If God intended for you to see something that closely, you would have invented binoculars.

[43] That's right.

[44] And I'm so glad you mentioned God, Georgia, because tonight...

[45] It's all about...

[46] Lord!

[47] That's why we're here.

[48] Raise him up all the way to the...

[49] One, two, three, fourth balcony.

[50] Yeah.

[51] Yes.

[52] Go bless you.

[53] Oh, I'm not wearing black.

[54] I know.

[55] Walk it across.

[56] Give it a real...

[57] Fucking time.

[58] I truly like like the wall.

[59] It's like a weird black dress.

[60] I'm never going to wear it again.

[61] I hate black.

[62] It's really uncomfortable there.

[63] But this is like fucking vintage and shit.

[64] I like was like that dress is so me. I'm going to buy it and have it forever.

[65] And you had the power of the time.

[66] That's what's magical about it.

[67] To wear wherever the fuck you want.

[68] I've literally worn pajamas to live shows.

[69] And George is like, look, I think we should talk about it because I think I want to wear color.

[70] I'm like, dude, can I lay down during show that's what I I would prefer we have different standards well I'm a professional professional oh so I shit I also have a hot tip it's a fashion tip hashtag it if your dress doesn't fit you anymore you can make it fit by slightly ripping it where the zipper is yes okay and giving yourself more room I love it and then just cover it up with a belt And no one will fucking notice.

[71] And if they do, tell them to take their binoculars off.

[72] Go fuck your binoculars.

[73] How about that?

[74] Yeah.

[75] And this fashion tip is straight out of vogue.

[76] Hashtag, you're straight out of vogue.

[77] Hashtag what's up, Anna Wintour.

[78] Yeah.

[79] We're doing it different this year.

[80] Yeah.

[81] Look and listen to the fashion experts, police.

[82] The fashion expert police.

[83] That's our new show.

[84] What about you?

[85] Oh, yeah, it's this old thing.

[86] Nice, lighting guy, nice.

[87] He picked that right up.

[88] What if I go over here really fast?

[89] Lighting guy.

[90] There he is.

[91] This is a high -quality theater when the lighting guy follows you with the grid.

[92] Should we tell about, I won't name names, but one of the shows last season?

[93] No. Semester?

[94] Last month.

[95] Yes.

[96] It was last month.

[97] we were somehow the lighting person got the cue that as soon as we said good night to turn all the fucking lights off in the entire theater including on stage so we go to wave and then it's darkness and it's weird and it stayed darkness where we were like we were like bye and then we're just kind of like bye I guess you guys and then tell those guys we said bye with our hands right and then hopefully we don't trip on the way out of stage then we left like fucking Charlie Brown.

[98] I'm like, oh, I guess they didn't like it.

[99] That's sad.

[100] You know, it's funny, we do.

[101] So, San Diego, you're, you're kicking off the 2019 spring tour.

[102] Congratulations.

[103] It's very exciting.

[104] Yeah.

[105] One part of that, though, is aside from, like, since this is my 2018 winter tour dress, as her standing in the dressing room, Dorothy goes, Georgia was talking about her dress.

[106] And then I was like, I should have gotten mine dry clean.

[107] That's one.

[108] of those things.

[109] I thought I had so much time, yeah.

[110] That's on that list.

[111] All the time in the world.

[112] Be clean.

[113] Mm -hmm.

[114] Basics.

[115] The basics.

[116] But because it's the first show, we don't have as many, like, we don't have these road dog anecdotes that we usually do.

[117] And, oh, my God.

[118] We usually, guys.

[119] Right?

[120] I mean, we're we're westerers and stuff.

[121] Old.

[122] But here's what did happen.

[123] And this made me laugh because you were like, what do we talk about when we get out there?

[124] And I was just like, hmm, I know what I'm going to talk about.

[125] Uh -oh.

[126] Because on the way down, we stopped it in and out.

[127] You got it.

[128] It's what a hamburger's all about, so you have to do it.

[129] And George and I, before we left.

[130] Oh, no. You want to tell this?

[131] No, I forgot already about it.

[132] No. I was going to tell it in front of a lot of people.

[133] This is, yeah, there's a ton of fucking people out there.

[134] Shit.

[135] Shit.

[136] Okay, go ahead.

[137] so as you may know Georgia likes to do fun physical surprises to me and we've talked about it before like we were New York not in front of a bunch of people it's like on the podcast where I'm like I love to fart but it's like we're in my living room right but you know you're not what I'm saying is you're not shy you're not that's not a natural set point for you I think you're very bold and you're body positive and you're fun you're fun thank you And you want to have fun.

[138] So oftentimes I'll go up and be like, hey, you have my blow dryer.

[139] And then I knock on her hotel room door and she opens it completely naked.

[140] That's happened several times.

[141] It's funny.

[142] You should try it.

[143] Naked is hilarious.

[144] It's hilarious.

[145] And she has her eyes wide and her mouth open.

[146] So it's like, fuck.

[147] Surprise naked.

[148] It's really like a shock scare, like a haunted house.

[149] That's what you're going for with your body.

[150] At a hotel?

[151] Is it a shock scare?

[152] No, no. So, that one of those fun things is just, they'll just be private, but very presentational farting every once in a while.

[153] It's like a, it's like a punctuation mark at the end of a joke that's not funny.

[154] If you tell a stupid joke and it doesn't land, fart at the end of it.

[155] It's fucking hilarious.

[156] Like, and you do a little, like, it's like a, it's hilarious.

[157] I laugh every single fucking time.

[158] Nothing's funnier.

[159] Thank you.

[160] Real -time farting is better than anything that's ever been written in McSweeney's or the onion.

[161] It's just the best.

[162] It's risky.

[163] It's vulnerable.

[164] It's loud.

[165] It smells.

[166] So, all the things you want in a joke.

[167] It's called the Magic Four.

[168] We go into the bathroom in and out.

[169] There's people in there when we go in.

[170] I go into the stall.

[171] Georgia's messing around at the sink the way she likes to do.

[172] I'm like a cat playing in the water Exactly You know how I like to I do do And I have to hit her to get her down off the sink So I'm in the stall And it's the kind of stall that looks like it's one big stall Not what it was Which is two stalls With two different people Two different people One of them was not me Is a stranger Stranger I did not know that So I just hear this From inside the stall I just hear I think you went something like Like, you correct me if I'm wrong, it was something like, hey, like that.

[173] And then, and then, I had already heard the lady shuffling around in the other stall.

[174] I knew there was someone there.

[175] Hadn't heard her.

[176] I'm immediately crying on the toilet.

[177] And then I hear her, then her toilet flushes, and then I hear Georgia go, is there someone else in here?

[178] And then I just hear the door open and shut.

[179] She was fucking gone.

[180] I left.

[181] And then Karen walks out.

[182] I say, there's someone else in there right as Karen's bathroom door opened and she's just nodding at me with like this gleeful face.

[183] It was so terrible.

[184] But what I didn't realize, I didn't cover my own sticks because Georgia ran out before the lady came out of the stall.

[185] So I'm there washing my hands and laughing at her.

[186] Yes.

[187] The lady comes out, I'm in the farting position.

[188] Now I did it.

[189] I did it.

[190] That was not my intention.

[191] I did it.

[192] It looked like I did it and was laughing at myself and washing my hands.

[193] One rule of fart jokes is you always take responsibility for your own fart jokes.

[194] That's right.

[195] I'd never pin that on someone else, you know?

[196] You come back in the bathroom.

[197] Hey, lady, that was me. Look, look, I want to talk about today, look at those in, and then I'll do it again to prove it.

[198] Watch this.

[199] Watch this and that.

[200] Don't we have some really terrible photos to show?

[201] I think we do.

[202] Oh, by the way, this is a podcast, my favorite murder.

[203] Thank you.

[204] That's Karen Kilgara.

[205] And that's Georgia Hard Start.

[206] We're very excited to be here with you.

[207] We're very happy to see you.

[208] Thank you so much.

[209] Thank you.

[210] Goodbye.

[211] So yeah, we left in and out.

[212] Vince is driving.

[213] I'm navigating.

[214] That's a mistake.

[215] And it turns out the city of like, I don't know what it is.

[216] Like, oh my God, it's like in the middle of it all.

[217] Carson?

[218] Carson.

[219] No, I don't know.

[220] Exactly.

[221] It's probably Carson.

[222] There's just a lot of construction right now.

[223] And so we get lost immediately.

[224] We'll start going the wrong way, a one -way street.

[225] Yeah.

[226] They're actually building an overpass to connect to one of the 100 ,000 freeways down here.

[227] So we kind of go under, not a finished overpass, but like the wooden, wobbly 1800 structure of an overpass of future tents.

[228] 2025, it's going to be, yeah.

[229] It's like, let's get away from this area.

[230] Yeah, we took some photos for you guys.

[231] So, but wait, so we go around and truly, I don't think it was on the map.

[232] Waze was like, fuck you, I'm out here.

[233] You're going to hang out down there, then we can't help you.

[234] I told you where to go.

[235] So Ways is really mean.

[236] Here's where we end up.

[237] This is, now if you can tell, oh, wait, I think you should go forward one.

[238] Okay.

[239] Okay.

[240] Can you see how...

[241] Oh, yeah.

[242] It's an overpass exit to fucking nowhere.

[243] As you said, it's fucking straight Sandra Bollick.

[244] Yes.

[245] Overpass.

[246] This is where they shot that scene in speed.

[247] Where she impossibly jumps a bus.

[248] Amazing.

[249] Amazing.

[250] And so that...

[251] Can you go back?

[252] So basically this was on our left, and this was in front of us.

[253] And we're like, well, I guess we have to go up here.

[254] Like, it just looked like now you took a wrong turn.

[255] Now you have to go kill yourself in your own car.

[256] Yeah.

[257] Good luck.

[258] Yeah.

[259] All right.

[260] Bye with something.

[261] Oh, wait.

[262] And then, okay.

[263] Here we go.

[264] There it is.

[265] Stephen's not here.

[266] I know.

[267] I'm actually surprised.

[268] Usually when it's close, he wants to come.

[269] Yeah.

[270] But listen, there's cats, and there's Stephen, and he doesn't tend to not be with one at all times.

[271] They might be going through a rebellious stage.

[272] Teenage Stephen.

[273] Fuck you.

[274] I don't care about your show.

[275] I know.

[276] I'm the Purrcast, baby.

[277] He's got his own life now.

[278] This table has nice leggings on.

[279] Yeah.

[280] Isn't it?

[281] This table looks like me after the show, actually.

[282] It's pretty much exactly my outfit.

[283] That's you.

[284] You know how you like to put your clothes over your toes.

[285] Do you want to sit down?

[286] Yeah, should we?

[287] Let's do it.

[288] Ooh.

[289] These are great.

[290] Should we take these for my new house?

[291] Take these home tonight?

[292] Yes, this is a...

[293] I can deal with a chair like this.

[294] Uh -oh.

[295] Ooh.

[296] We're a little...

[297] Hello.

[298] Hi.

[299] How are you?

[300] Oh, I feel so fucking petite.

[301] Love it.

[302] You're so tiny.

[303] You're just a little girl in a huge chair.

[304] It is a little weird.

[305] What happened?

[306] It's just, okay.

[307] What?

[308] Hi.

[309] just don't talk about it?

[310] No. Did your dress split open?

[311] No. Not any more than it already did.

[312] Oh, okay.

[313] It might.

[314] I brought a backup dress just in case, and it's black.

[315] So I feel like it's one of those things where it's just like, you know, it's like a threat to myself that if I fuck this dress up, I have to just put on an old dress.

[316] Yeah.

[317] And I don't want to do that.

[318] Just add that pressure like Tanya Harding's mom, just constantly.

[319] Be your own Tanya Harding's mom to yourself.

[320] That's how you get to the Olympics.

[321] And that's what I'm trying for.

[322] It was the Olympics.

[323] The podcasting Olympics.

[324] That's right.

[325] Oh my God.

[326] They're in three years.

[327] They're going to be in Seoul.

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[348] Goodbye.

[349] Um, I'm first?

[350] No, it's me. Oh, right.

[351] Yeah.

[352] Are these open?

[353] Stephen!

[354] We make him come to the theater, open our waters, and then go back.

[355] And then drive home.

[356] Yeah.

[357] And we don't give him gas money.

[358] Uh -oh.

[359] Did you just spell all over yourself?

[360] Shut up.

[361] I don't care.

[362] You don't know me. Oh my God.

[363] It's drunk Karen.

[364] Don't be a bitch and you can party with me. Now it's turning into a weird exhale -y thing that it's not drunk Karen.

[365] That's a sexy lady.

[366] Trunk Karen was not sexy.

[367] I guarantee you that Okay, I'm starting off tonight And here's what's funny When this event happened In real time, I remember watching it on TV But I've never thought about doing it For any of our live shows down here Because Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds of the Dollop did it on their sixth episode long, long ago And it was so fucking hilarious That I was like, well, you just kind of can't do that ever again But then I was like, fuck them.

[368] So I'm doing San Diego's 1995 tank rampage.

[369] Do you remember this?

[370] Were you, how old were you?

[371] What year was it?

[372] Ninety -five.

[373] Yeah, I was 15.

[374] And fucking live in my sad life in Orange County.

[375] What were you doing?

[376] What were you doing when you were 15?

[377] 15, I think, was the prime rave years.

[378] Don't spit that out.

[379] There were raves.

[380] Did you wear junco jeans?

[381] No. But I wore vinyl pants.

[382] Or sometimes I'd get dressed up and wear like a cheerleaders, like, you know, like a cheerleader, an ecstasy outfit, like a club kid, but like making fun of cheerleaders.

[383] But was it?

[384] Did I really?

[385] And then, yeah.

[386] Like you're pretending that you hate cheerleaders, but clearly you would love to be a cheerleader.

[387] Making fun of the thing you can't have just so you don't feel bad about not, you know, you get it.

[388] It's called life.

[389] to it.

[390] None of us belong.

[391] Okay.

[392] 95.

[393] Tanks.

[394] Tanks.

[395] Don't do it.

[396] 95.

[397] I was 25.

[398] And I was on so much speed that I would just, I would wake up like entirely awake at like 5 a .m. and stare out the window and not blink for seven hours.

[399] It was rough.

[400] So if you were around or conscious or having a time in 95, you will have seen this on the news.

[401] It was a guy that drove a tank for 23 minutes around San Diego, and it was fucking nuts.

[402] Now, that in and of itself is plenty of story.

[403] There's plenty of story with just that.

[404] And my assumption is that's very sad.

[405] Clearly, somebody had mental illness.

[406] Clearly, there was an issue behind it.

[407] You know, whatever.

[408] Then you dig into the actual story.

[409] And it's...

[410] so, so much more.

[411] So let's talk about it.

[412] And we're talking about a man named Sean Nelson.

[413] He is the guy that ended up commandeering a tank from the National Guard Armory, which was not locked.

[414] That should be locked.

[415] It should.

[416] I feel like the National Guard should have the best security.

[417] You would think, just name alone, you would think, that that would be a thing they were into.

[418] Yeah.

[419] Even if it was just for the show of it, like, I love to wear this outfit.

[420] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[421] They'd be like, sorry, I'm guarding this.

[422] What's your business here?

[423] No. In 95, that wasn't the case.

[424] Listen, we're not shaming the, what do they call them?

[425] The National Guard.

[426] The National Guard.

[427] They're not, their armed forces.

[428] Yeah, no, never.

[429] Not at all.

[430] What we're talking about really is, at the end of the day, meth.

[431] That's what we're going to be talking about a lot tonight.

[432] Oh.

[433] So smoke them if you got them.

[434] So quick background, Sean Nelson, he was born in Birdseye, Utah, on August 21st, 1959, his father was in the military.

[435] He grows up in the Claremont neighborhood of San Diego, which is, yeah, Claremont is kind of where all this happens.

[436] It's also where the armory is, where the super loosey -goosey, chill armory is.

[437] Yeah, now you guys know.

[438] Yeah.

[439] He joins the Army.

[440] He's in it for two years in the tank.

[441] vision.

[442] What?

[443] That's called foreshadowing.

[444] He loves tanks.

[445] He loves tanks.

[446] I'm sure they make you feel great.

[447] You're all protected and you can kind of drive around real slow.

[448] Um, so, but after two years, he leaves the army and, um, he goes down to Panama.

[449] He works on a fishing boat.

[450] Eventually, he comes back home and he starts a plumbing business and he does great.

[451] Um, so that's all good.

[452] Uh, the problem was around the late 80s the wall came down and the Cold War ended and so because a lot of the military action slowed down, then the economy in this area slowed down because it's a very military -based economy around here.

[453] So there was a downturn economically here.

[454] That plumbing business dried up, you're saying?

[455] People stopped shitting entirely.

[456] You just stop flushing, you know?

[457] They let it mellow all over town and um no no what actually happened was and this is interesting this is from the dollop this is Dave's research but basically methamphetamine was something that the military have used for years and years oh that's what they gave kamikaze pilots right but those yes also Hitler loved it oh sure he was he was super stoked about any kind of amphetamine yeah so And, according to Dave Anthony, meth came into the United States through San Diego.

[458] So that's where, yes, clap it up.

[459] I thought you guys were better than that.

[460] So basically, so when things slow down, people start using the cheapest drugs made of Ajax that they can find.

[461] I can guarantee you that that fucking meth made its way to Irvine.

[462] Yeah.

[463] That's right.

[464] It made its way anywhere where the children were bored and had big speakers to dance in front of, as you have told me. Okay, so Sean Nelson has a terrible run of luck.

[465] It's very sad.

[466] He starts using meth, his wife of six years files for divorce.

[467] Then he loses both of his parents to cancer in 1992.

[468] Then he gets into a motorcycle accident, and the theory is that he was on drugs because when he got to the emergency room, he got into physical altercation with the security guards there and was fighting them, even though they were trying to treat him because he was super fucked up from a bad motorcycle accident.

[469] He ends up suing the hospital for one, $1 .6 million, and the lawsuit is dropped, or, you know, the judge says goodbye.

[470] Then the hospital counter sues him for the six grand.

[471] He owes them for the medical treatment that he says he didn't want.

[472] Holy shit.

[473] Yeah.

[474] So it's, there's, um, there's some issues that maybe meth isn't helping.

[475] Great.

[476] And I will say in a non -judgmental, uh, former speed addict way.

[477] I'm just seeing some patterns that I recognize it myself.

[478] Now, he moves into this little house and unfortunately, and usually the way it goes with meth and the people that I know that have been addicted to meth, it turns out, oh my God, his neighbor is kind of like a meth dealer.

[479] She lives right next door.

[480] She's more of like, I don't know if she was a full -fledged dealer, but she was like a holder of meth and a gatherer of meth -minded people.

[481] This is a fucking storyline on Breaking Bad when Jesse Pinkman moves next door to...

[482] Yeah, that's right.

[483] And everyone comes and parties at his house?

[484] Sure.

[485] So, um, there's so many, please listen to episode six of the dollop.

[486] There's so many fucking crazy stories.

[487] But essentially, he's just doing meth doesn't have a lot of work to do.

[488] Everyone around him is doing meth.

[489] So they're doing stuff like, grown men are wrestling each other in the backyard, like, you know, Colvin style, you know, suplex or whatever style wrestling.

[490] Uh -huh.

[491] And when him and his friend do this one time, his friend throws him on the ground and breaks his back.

[492] You guys, don't do it.

[493] Yeah.

[494] Don't do that.

[495] That's awful.

[496] Don't do meth wrestling.

[497] So he has a broken back.

[498] He's, you know, he's, you know, a very lawsuit.

[499] attracted, I guess we could say.

[500] Just lots and lots of issues, and the issues are building, and then as we know, if you do a lot of drugs, you start to lose your sense of true reality, and you start to live in a reality that the drugs are dictating.

[501] And this is what happens to Sean, because Sean one day becomes convinced that he has found a nugget of gold in his own backyard.

[502] What?

[503] Yes.

[504] So he begins to mine for gold.

[505] What?

[506] in his backyard.

[507] Oh, no. Yes.

[508] Oh, no. There's a photo?

[509] So there's, that's Sean Nelson.

[510] He looks so normal.

[511] Yeah.

[512] And his better day is clearly, like, looks very healthy, looks, looks happy.

[513] Here's his, he ends up digging a 17 -foot hole in his backyard.

[514] Holy shit.

[515] Holy.

[516] This is what meth can do for you.

[517] I mean, I couldn't do that, and I'm not on meth, you know?

[518] Focus.

[519] Determination.

[520] You know what I noticed, though?

[521] He's wearing his wedding ring still.

[522] I don't know why I noticed that.

[523] That's Kevin Nelson.

[524] Great.

[525] I see that by the name next to his face.

[526] I now see that.

[527] Look, we didn't see these pictures beforehand.

[528] No, we did not.

[529] Stephen puts all kinds of surprises on here.

[530] Yeah, that's not Sean.

[531] Got it, because it says Kevin.

[532] Yeah.

[533] Yeah.

[534] I think it's, I think it might be a brother or relative name of Kevin.

[535] But here's the thing.

[536] Sean is together enough still that he is convincing the people around him that this is a possibility.

[537] And how exciting if it was.

[538] A hundred percent.

[539] It's your yard.

[540] Yeah.

[541] And there's a gold mine right fucking there.

[542] In San Diego.

[543] Nobody knew.

[544] So that's what I picture myself doing.

[545] It's like, you find that nugget, you hold it up to the sun.

[546] Yeah.

[547] And then all your problems are solved.

[548] No, it turns out the details of this are crazy, but the actual, you know, clearly this mine shaft that he built is professional.

[549] He knows how to work some tools and handle some shit.

[550] And he starts getting the meth fans that are around to come on over, and then the idea is, you work on the mine with me, and then you can get a cut of the gold when we finally strike it rich.

[551] Right.

[552] And in the meantime, You can help me out by giving me meth, too.

[553] Don't be...

[554] That was actually part of it, is if you want to come over, if you want to work on the mine, you have to bring meth.

[555] Shut up.

[556] So it was like a gold mining meth party in this backyard all the time.

[557] Wow.

[558] All I want is to watch, like, a four -hour series interviewing the neighbors while this was going down.

[559] Because it's one thing when someone has, like, a teaky -themed party in their backyard one night, where you're like all right but this was a he was using he was using his own jacuzzi as a sluice so he was like running dirt through the jacuzzi and then panning up to see if the goals came through yes a perfectly good jacuzzi yes that hurts you especially it does I fucking love a jacuzzi you guys I'm not kidding and see this is what drugs do yeah you no longer see the value of your jacuzzi, you just want that gold.

[560] You could buy a hundred jacuzis when you find the gold.

[561] The future promises of a hundred jacuzis lined up, and you can just go from one to the other all night.

[562] Yeah.

[563] We got to get that gold.

[564] Smoke, snort.

[565] The neighbors, of course, file noise complaints with the police.

[566] Oh, God.

[567] Sean files a complaint against the police for harassment.

[568] because no one's letting him do his, have his dream.

[569] So in February of 1995, so this goes on for, like this is, you know, his drug uses ramping up and the psychosis around it is ramping up, obviously.

[570] In February of 95, he tries to file a claim with the city of San Diego that he can mine bedrock in his own backyard.

[571] he goes to City Hall and he's like I want to file this claim for my backyard for the gold in my backyard and they're like it's your fucking backyard dude you can do whatever you play yeah you don't need a claim you could dig your entire backyard up and throw it away and that's yours to do and that's what he did at what point do you get to the part that belongs to San Diego now you know what I mean?

[572] Like do you buy your house to the core of the earth that is the best fucking question I've ever heard.

[573] Do you own the fucking magma layer beneath your house?

[574] Is that your shit?

[575] Yeah.

[576] I mean what do you mean?

[577] Yes, I was curious.

[578] I wonder.

[579] How far down do you own when you buy a house?

[580] Because I'm about to dig up my fucking new backyard.

[581] Dig it up and get that, those precious metals for yourself.

[582] that magma get that magma yeah I think it's like if you I think you stop owning it when you pop up in Sydney Australia and they're like no mate that's not yours that's my gold now here's another thing that gets crazy they do find a little bit of gold no yes wait that part's real well I didn't say it was real I just said that they found gold okay what was happening was Sean was buying gold from neighborhood teens and melting it down and burying it in the mine for people to discover.

[583] I have so many questions.

[584] The number one is, like, the idea of these fucking teens stealing drugs, but they're dealing gold.

[585] That's insane.

[586] Well, they were visionaries.

[587] It was 1995.

[588] Cash for Gold had not been invented yet.

[589] But they were like, I'm fine.

[590] This is a niche that needs to be filled.

[591] It was Hammer.

[592] You know, Hammer does all those cash for gold commercials.

[593] Oh, yeah.

[594] Well, as a teen.

[595] No, so basically, they'd be like, here's that gold you wanted.

[596] He'd be like, thanks, I'm going to go smelt for a while.

[597] He would hide it.

[598] Then he'd be like, I think I hit something over here, Dan.

[599] And then another meth head would come over and be like, what the, it's real.

[600] Holy shit.

[601] And then they'd be like, okay, here's my meth packet.

[602] let's celebrate and it was basically this kind of self -perpetuating gold mine situation that was fake but it seemed like Sean believed in it because he wanted to own the claim he basically wanted to make sure the city wasn't going to take his gold the city was like we don't give those he got super mad and stayed mad about it for a long time because of the meth so then there was a the downward spiral comes in April he's been mining for the meth cold for nine months This is the downward spiral I feel like it already happened We just peaked Now it's going to go like this Okay yeah That was the fun like screaming part of the roller coaster Now we're about to entirely go off the rails So He hasn't paid his mortgage in nine months Of course Someone stole his plumbing tools Somewhere along the line so he can't even go back to his regular job and he's kind of beyond that anyway and his water and his power get turned off which is tough on a mine you need that water that jacuzzi it's tough for the jacuzzi you get a big crank on the side of it just pictured in your mind give it a moment and his only friend left is this guy Chuck who's also on a ton of meth and on that episode of the dollop they played audio tape of Chuck explaining stuff.

[603] And unless you would get PTSD from it, like I did, you should listen to it because it's just a person on drugs.

[604] Like, it's just the best anti -drug PSA in the world.

[605] Just kind of, a guy just talking like that.

[606] And it's like none of that made sense.

[607] Okay.

[608] Sean one night goes down into the mine and sees God.

[609] And...

[610] Gosh, did he buy it from teens and put it down there?

[611] Everyone else says they're pulling their mom's necklaces out of the bag, and then one teen's like, hey, check this shit out.

[612] It's the Lord.

[613] 40 bucks.

[614] 40 bucks for the Lord.

[615] He sees God.

[616] He sees a pyramid.

[617] Nope.

[618] And there's a dragon inside the pyramid.

[619] As you know, there always is.

[620] Oh, my God.

[621] and then he gets the message him and Chuck are supposed to fight this dragon wrestling style in the backyard snap it snap its back oh my god okay in April of 95 his live -in girlfriend dies of a drug overdose so yeah we're going off the rails he files a two million dollar damage claim against the city one for police negligence and one for false arrest, in May of 95, the house gets foreclosed on.

[622] So basically, kind of all the plans and schemes and everything I've just crashed and burned horribly.

[623] So, page three, on the afternoon of May 18, 1995, Sean Nelson gets into his van, and he drives to the National Guard Armory in Claremont neighborhood of San Diego.

[624] He's shirtless, and he's got a plan.

[625] You can't You have to have both It can't be one or the other That's right If you've got a plan Take off that shirt Let everyone know If you're wearing a shirt But you've got a plan Strip He told his friend He was going to drive a tank To City Hall He was going to pull the tank up on the steps of City Hall And then demand to be on TV So he could make a statement Okay I'm following so far Right what's the problem it's pretty simple plan why you can't just walk to the steps and stand there maybe in a suit I don't know I don't know the plan your shirt is still on I'm just reporting clearly you don't clearly I'm not in on the plan because I've got my top on so either just by chance or because it's what the Lord wanted when he went to the National Armory vehicle yard It was not locked.

[626] So he drove to the armory, drove on, then went up to the vehicle yard chain link fence, opened it, drove on, up to a tank, and began getting up onto the tanks and trying the hatches to get in.

[627] And he had a crowbar, so he was crowbarring his way in.

[628] And once he got into all three tanks that he got on top of it.

[629] It should not be that easy to get into.

[630] Well, he was a tank man. And he knew exactly where to crowbar it.

[631] But the first one, here's a very interesting fact that I learned, reason kind of half researching this, is the M60A3 patent tank, it starts, thank you, it's called cut and paste.

[632] I don't know what I'm saying.

[633] I'm like a child.

[634] Those types of tanks, they start with a push button.

[635] Way ahead of its time.

[636] Yeah.

[637] Yeah, like a fancy, like a B. EMW.

[638] Like a Prius or something.

[639] Yes, exactly.

[640] That's like, I was like, what, how do you need a key for a tank?

[641] Because I was already there.

[642] I mean, now I believe you should have to.

[643] Truly.

[644] There should be individual keys for every tank that only like two guys have.

[645] Yeah.

[646] But apparently once you get in, if you know what button to push and like how to go like this or whatever, I'm doing this based on video games I've seen, you can do it.

[647] So basically, he gets.

[648] to his third tank and that's when the one guardsman who is there finally sees him and is like what the fuck and he realizes the guy's in the tank and the tank has started and it's starting to move.

[649] So instead of trying to run to the tank or do the dipshit things you see people do in movies where you're like, don't run up to a tank, don't shoot at a tank, he immediately just calls the police and is like there's a guy that's trying to steal a tank.

[650] Look I was going to the bathroom.

[651] I might have been in there a little too long.

[652] I guess the gate was not locked.

[653] However, I was just trying to be a little different today than I normally am.

[654] It's hard to let your guard down.

[655] So I unlocked the gate and worked on my vulnerability.

[656] Someone took advantage of me. So I'm never going to do it again.

[657] Basically, this guardsman's on the phone with the cops.

[658] And he's like, yeah, so I got a guy.

[659] He's taking one of my tanks.

[660] I only have three.

[661] He can't, oh, there he goes.

[662] He's driving over the chain link fence.

[663] Yeah.

[664] Oh, okay, this is your problem now.

[665] San Diego Police Department and Sheriff's Office, goodbye.

[666] Oh, my God.

[667] Yeah.

[668] So, now Sean Nelson is, luckily, the onboard cannon, aircraft gun, and machine gun were not loaded.

[669] Phew.

[670] Yes.

[671] Yay.

[672] Thank God.

[673] So no weapons involved.

[674] except, of course, for the tank.

[675] A tank, okay, right, which could also be used as a weapon.

[676] As kind of anything anyway.

[677] It can be used as like a short Godzilla.

[678] It's what I like to call tanks from my time in the Navy.

[679] So he starts driving a 57 -ton tank through the Claremont neighborhood of San Diego.

[680] I keep calling it that.

[681] for people who don't know San Diego well enough and it is destroying everything in its path obviously road signs traffic lights utility poles fire hydrants tons of parked vehicles including an RV all right let's take a little look and because he called the guard's been called the cops immediately then the press knew immediately so there was fucking newscopter 7 was in the air tutte sweet and the entire 23 minute drive was it was broadcast the entire time.

[682] Karen Kilgariff's 25 -year -old eyeballs.

[683] Where I was just like in the living room smoking like I have to stop taking speed.

[684] I'm seeing my own future.

[685] Oh.

[686] That's blurry.

[687] Let's try another one.

[688] They're all going to be a little blurry.

[689] Yes, I've totally seen that.

[690] That's a fucking street light.

[691] Jesus.

[692] Question.

[693] What was he listening to on his disc man?

[694] Oh.

[695] had to be slip -knot had to be slip -knot oh yeah they weren't even invented yet and he was just like play I don't know if they were He had an old like a boom box right there Right Even flow Something like that Definitely He was chill What do you listen to on meth?

[696] Oh everything at once You just press play Cacophony I love it You scream over the music as it's playing.

[697] I love this song.

[698] Just listen.

[699] Oh, fuck.

[700] Look at her.

[701] She's like, well, I have to take a picture for the insurance man. Nope.

[702] Martin, I don't care that it's dangerous.

[703] They're going to need a picture.

[704] Oh, my goodness.

[705] That's glorious.

[706] You know that that car was like immaculate on the inside.

[707] It had a box of Kleenex up in the back.

[708] Yes.

[709] It was, she armored those seats every day and then fuck, just flattened.

[710] She had all those boxes of Kleenexes in the trunk for when the one in the back ran out.

[711] She was actually the Claremont neighborhood's Kleenex dealer, which is, it's, that's a whole different.

[712] Yeah.

[713] That's my story that I'm doing.

[714] That's yours.

[715] Whoa.

[716] Yeah.

[717] Look at it.

[718] And there's a flood.

[719] What's up?

[720] And there's a flood because he probably had a fire hydrant.

[721] That's, he hit lots of fire hydrants, apparently.

[722] Oh, my God.

[723] And, you know what else he did is he took down some power lines and some utility poles.

[724] So, 5 ,100 San Diegoans were left with no power.

[725] So everybody else was loved.

[726] They're like, look at this live, fucking low -speed chase on the news.

[727] You have to come and watch this.

[728] And then everyone's like, I can't because he ruined it for me. I can't watch it.

[729] M. Cold.

[730] It's only going to take me about 20 minutes to find my spot on this piece of paper again.

[731] The tank had a fuel range of 300 miles, but it could only go 30 miles an hour.

[732] Oh, what a bummer.

[733] So now, San Diego Police, San Diego County Sheriff's Department, highway patrol, and the military police are all involved in what is arguably the slowest high -speed chase in American history.

[734] We have that Oh my Look at the military men That's just a pity That's just a shame You know what That's a waste It's a waste What kind of I don't like it This is not my America You know what I think we should put locks on these gates I really do I do And I'm going to bring it up at the next meeting I think it's important Okay here's the high school Remember this shit?

[735] I mean Wow Yeah You can flow What are each of those cops listening to?

[736] What are each of those cops listening to?

[737] Tony Robbins books on tape Just about being positive And they get on their walkie -talkies And they all press play at the same time Because they want to be at the same part with each other Ready one?

[738] We're going to press play On three On three or after?

[739] Do we press it when it's On three or one, two, three Then press it?

[740] Like we don't, you got to be clear.

[741] Tell me. Tell me more.

[742] I can't.

[743] Was it always this hard to turn pages?

[744] Okay.

[745] He went.

[746] Okay, before he got to the freeway, so he's driving around, as I've said, Claremont, then he goes north on Convoy Street, West.

[747] You guys, love it.

[748] You might want to hold for all these streets.

[749] You can absolutely individually cheer for every fucking street if you want to, but I'm in an amicom.

[750] He goes north on convoy.

[751] He goes west on to Balboa.

[752] Okay.

[753] God, right?

[754] They love that one.

[755] Balboa is amazing.

[756] They love that one.

[757] Okay.

[758] I just love the asphalt on it.

[759] It's so smooth.

[760] There's that one Starbucks drive -thru.

[761] There's never a line.

[762] We have to go there tomorrow.

[763] Then it gets on the 805 South.

[764] In one of our live shows, we made jokes.

[765] or maybe on the just regular podcast, we made jokes about what freeway are you?

[766] Someone asks that in a Q &A episode, what freeway would you be?

[767] And we answered it totally fucking earnestly because it's like a great question.

[768] We're like, ooh, that's interesting.

[769] Then at a live show at the last tour, these lovely women, of course, we don't know their names, or can't describe them in any way, but still, there's so much gratitude there.

[770] They give us these lovely boxes.

[771] We open them.

[772] They're little pendants with little freeway signs of the freeways.

[773] we said we were and I almost cried I go did you make this for us and the girl goes no no somebody makes this she was like don't be gross I don't like you that much I like shopping for people yes yes it was amazing so go get your 805 someone get the someone be the 805 yeah it's it's somebody nice and wide thick fine I'll do it I'm good I'm good with it Okay, so while he's driving down this freeway, he tries to take out a pedestrian bridge with now, listen, it sounds maybe crazy, but then if you're on drugs and you're in a tank and you're doing it anyway, when you drive up on some shit, you're probably like, well, let's just see if I could knock this down before this ends terribly.

[774] Yeah.

[775] He rams it a couple times, nothing happens, so he keeps going.

[776] Oh, my God.

[777] He merges on to Route 163.

[778] South.

[779] You guys love your freeways.

[780] Yeah.

[781] Well, that one is especially amazing because of all the trees that hang over.

[782] Oh, yeah.

[783] Yeah.

[784] Is that true?

[785] I just made it up.

[786] The people who have never listened to this podcast, more so than the actual murder part, are like, why are people fucking cheering?

[787] Usually they're like, why are they cheering for murderers?

[788] We're like, they're not cheering for murderers.

[789] But then they're like, why are they cheering for fucking freeways?

[790] It's the best.

[791] There's something about it.

[792] We were like, I have to sit on this piece of shit.

[793] every day.

[794] Now if somebody's talking about it, I'm going to be like, I know what you're talking about.

[795] Yeah.

[796] That's my freeway that makes me suffer every goddamn day.

[797] Okay, anyhow, almost done.

[798] So they, when he merges onto that street, officials close the freeway.

[799] So now everybody on this fucking, what looks like a 24 lane freeway is stuck, stopped.

[800] And they're just stopped on the freeway.

[801] And that basically happens all over San Diego because of this.

[802] So, oh, and then I wrote, and when they find out why, they're into it.

[803] Because wouldn't you, if somebody's like, oh, all this traffic stopped and you're like trying to find out why out on the radio?

[804] Who the fuck did whatever?

[805] Make me turn off my Tony Rob and fucking snap.

[806] And then someone's like, someone's driving a tank all over the place.

[807] You'd be like, yes, I hope he drives it over here, wouldn't you?

[808] Drive it by my.

[809] house.

[810] Yeah.

[811] Yeah.

[812] There's also on the doll up there, they mentioned Dave watched a video of a guy who watched the tank go by.

[813] They had the audio of the guy talking about it and he said, he goes, that little guy went by, his head was sticking out, he was smiling, having a great time.

[814] Yeah.

[815] So there is maybe a little light in the end of the tunnel in this story.

[816] It's not called meth.

[817] That's for sure.

[818] there's a light at the...

[819] Oh, no, that's more meth.

[820] Okay.

[821] Okay.

[822] So the police, they're like, we have to stop this because obviously there's fucking mayhem and insanity and fire hydrants shooting to the...

[823] It's also a little embarrassing for the department.

[824] Very embarrassing for the military industrial complex.

[825] They're not liking it that much.

[826] Yeah.

[827] Okay, so they start trying to plan, the police and law enforcement start trying to plan with the Marine Corps at Camp Pendleton, how they're going to stop the tank.

[828] And, right?

[829] Go, Pencil, the fighting.

[830] Oh, God, just do it.

[831] Fighting.

[832] Don't overthink it.

[833] Yep, you've got this.

[834] Is it because I'm talking the whole time?

[835] I screwed it up.

[836] All I got is kitchen cabinets.

[837] Can we do it?

[838] Yes.

[839] Great.

[840] Because if a kitchen cabinet came running at you on a football field, you're fucked.

[841] Yeah, go, go.

[842] An anthropomorphized, is that right?

[843] Kitchen cabinet?

[844] That's right.

[845] Being like, what's up?

[846] We're going to beat you.

[847] I'm all elbows.

[848] Slivers, slivers, slivers.

[849] Okay.

[850] Sliver.

[851] We're talking about Camp Pendleton like it's a college.

[852] And we know that that's incorrect.

[853] We know that.

[854] Yeah.

[855] My brother went there to that college.

[856] Did he?

[857] Did he go to Camp Pendleton College?

[858] For the Marines, yeah.

[859] Are you serious?

[860] Yeah.

[861] All right.

[862] I would never joke about such a thing.

[863] Please never joke about anything like that.

[864] Okay, so basically, they're talking to the Marines, they're like, who can stop a tank, anybody?

[865] And the Marines are like, listen, we've got a cobra attack helicopter that we're willing to bring in.

[866] Fuck.

[867] And guess what?

[868] We have it here because we put a lock on the gate.

[869] Yes.

[870] They just, like, wanted to rub it in a little.

[871] You've noticed you've never heard of any civilian driving our cobra attack helicopter around, right?

[872] There's a simple reason.

[873] Yeah.

[874] It's called being good at stuff.

[875] So right as they're planning this, which just imagine that, then you're watching the news, and then a fucking attack helicopter, which I don't even know what that means.

[876] Like any helicopter could be an attack helicopter, really.

[877] Is it one of those ones that just tilts forward really intimidatingly the whole time?

[878] I think that's a video game.

[879] Oh.

[880] I don't know.

[881] I don't either.

[882] I didn't go to Camp Pendleton.

[883] We better...

[884] We need to go this summer to Camp Pendleton and just fucking do some arts and crafts.

[885] Stop it.

[886] Please don't tell the Marines we said this.

[887] We're fucked.

[888] We're fucked.

[889] Okay.

[890] Right as they're about to send the Cobra attack helicopter, which I'm not only going to look up on Wikipedia tomorrow, but I might get a model of it and make it.

[891] Yes.

[892] that's when Sean Nelson decides he's going to cross the freeway divider on the freeway to basically make a big old U -turn.

[893] He's going to flip a tank bitch on the freeway into an oncoming traffic but he gets stuck on the divider.

[894] No, that's the one thing that he can't...

[895] That's the one thing that tanks can't handle is like about three feet of cement kind of shaped like the Atari logo I can't uh -uh tanks like no they're like no I can't do this I can't do this anymore so he gets basically caught onto it and he's stuck there and he's just trying to get off so all those police cars pull up pull around and a couple cops get up on top they get the tank open and an officer tells Sean Nelson take your hands off the controls and we're getting you out of this tank and he does not take his hands off the controls and he looks up at the cop and the cop said he's just dead -eyed and then went back to trying to get the tank off of the divider that cop shoots down into the tank what shoots him in the shoulder and that bullet goes through and pierces his heart holy shit awful so they pull Nelson out of the tank and he is rushed from the scene he later dies at Sharp Memorial Hospital at the age of 44.

[896] Wow.

[897] I did not know it was ending that way.

[898] Right?

[899] We were having so much fun.

[900] I know.

[901] I told you, though, remember the roller coaster metaphor I used?

[902] Yes, and I should have listened to the name of this podcast.

[903] You should listen to this podcast.

[904] I should.

[905] It's really negative.

[906] The only local news station that aired that moment was KGTV Channel 10.

[907] Oh, they're always doing shit like that.

[908] I'd hold on the cheering for one second.

[909] They continued to shoot with a camera as Nelson's body is pulled out of the tank and that's how Sean Nelson's brother Scott found out that his brother was driving the tank and was now shot.

[910] They didn't know who it was before that.

[911] Right.

[912] It was just a...

[913] I mean, just a fucking dude in a tank.

[914] Nameless, faceless tank.

[915] It's a tank.

[916] Shit.

[917] So even though he ran over 40 cars down to power lines, caused power outages, and traffic jams around the city, miraculously, the only person hurt or killed during the tank rampage was Sean Nelson.

[918] Yeah.

[919] Crazy.

[920] Yeah.

[921] The state of California ended up paying the bill for all of that fun.

[922] Oh, my.

[923] He got the last laugh Who has the last laugh?

[924] Yeah, he got it.

[925] Who has the last laugh, Georgia asks?

[926] Those with a tank.

[927] That's right.

[928] It amounted to $150 ,000 in 90s money.

[929] Shit.

[930] And now all military tanks in the state, oh, after that, all military tanks in the state were relocated to Camp Roberts in San Luis Obispo and Fort Irwin and Barstow.

[931] Keep them safe there.

[932] Those San Luis Obispo folks won't do that.

[933] Yeah, it turns out San Diego lost their tank privileges after that.

[934] Wasn't cool.

[935] And in closing, Sean Nelson's brother Scott said, my brother was a good man. He'd help anybody.

[936] He just couldn't help himself.

[937] Do not do crystal meth.

[938] I'm not kidding.

[939] And that is the San Diego Tank Rampage of 1995.

[940] Oh, that's it on the Medians.

[941] Yeah.

[942] Oh, I see how it got stuck.

[943] That's him getting taken away.

[944] Okay.

[945] Well, how the fuck am I going to follow that?

[946] I'm sorry.

[947] Shit.

[948] Blame the National Guard.

[949] I didn't fucking do it.

[950] That was amazing.

[951] Thank you.

[952] Great job.

[953] All right.

[954] I'm going to tell you, Karen.

[955] Okay.

[956] And you may have seen this.

[957] on an episode of Forensic Files That was called This episode was called Hand Delivered, which you'll find out why in a minute.

[958] This is the murder of Don Harden.

[959] You'll see, okay, okay, thanks.

[960] Yeah, no, it's okay.

[961] That's really supportive.

[962] It doesn't sound as good.

[963] Yeah.

[964] I'm gonna...

[965] It doesn't have the word tank in there.

[966] How the fuck am I supposed to compete with that?

[967] You're not supposed to.

[968] I'm not competing.

[969] We're now in a different individual reality.

[970] Okay.

[971] Here we are.

[972] Well, we're still in the fucking 90s.

[973] April 1994.

[974] Can't get away from the fucking 90s.

[975] This tank thing's about to happen.

[976] Really?

[977] No. Same bad things.

[978] You know, this is...

[979] And these workers at the San Diego Fiber Corporation, they're sitting through some cardboard and recycling bin.

[980] You break in shit down.

[981] You know how they have to do.

[982] Are you the kind of person who puts a cardboard box in the recycler without breaking it down?

[983] Yes.

[984] Me too.

[985] I mean, I don't carry an execto knife in my fucking pocket.

[986] Sorry, I'm not the jan. The shame I get from Vince when I'm just like, well, just thrown in, who cares?

[987] Just kind of smash it with your hand.

[988] I'm going to put other stuff inside of it.

[989] Okay.

[990] We'll get it next week.

[991] Unfortunately, these fucking dudes are doing the cardboard shit, and they happen upon a gruesome discovery two dismembered human hands.

[992] Oh, no. Or a pair of them.

[993] Two matching hands.

[994] A righty and a lefty?

[995] Yes, of the same person.

[996] Right.

[997] but there's no person and like fucking forensic files hand delivered episode now you get it why they're so clever thanks dad good pun dad they show the fucking hands I swear to God they're just like here they are and I'm like I can't what if I showed you these no it's insane I wouldn't you can look yourself later it's terrible it's fucking hands it's crazy also like you're working at the recycling plant I bet you they're on like just pins and needles constantly because they're like this is where something awful is going to show up you know what I mean?

[998] They're just like every single thing it's just like hey dude it's just a Pepsi bottle oh my god what I would be like.

[999] There's scaredy cats over there yeah that's what you're saying yeah okay um so the hands are brought to the fucking lab you know now can I ask an inappropriate real question.

[1000] Always.

[1001] Since we don't know who we're talking about and we're still in the early.

[1002] Okay.

[1003] Do you think people carried the hands like this?

[1004] Handshake style?

[1005] Sorry.

[1006] Sorry.

[1007] Sorry.

[1008] My brain showed me a picture and then I said the words about the picture.

[1009] Sorry.

[1010] That's the name of this podcast.

[1011] Oh.

[1012] You know someone did that.

[1013] Um, there's an X right?

[1014] No, it's good.

[1015] Come back here.

[1016] Okay, okay.

[1017] No shame here.

[1018] It was totally in a shame corner.

[1019] Just between friends.

[1020] Okay.

[1021] There's no shame here.

[1022] Yeah, we're all good.

[1023] Okay.

[1024] Take your binoculars out.

[1025] This is the portion where you, okay.

[1026] So they x -ray the hands to see, I don't know, and they show that the joints, there's degenerative damage in the joints, which is just consistent with someone over 60, and they're like, oh, these look like dude's hands.

[1027] They're dude's hands.

[1028] So it's a guy over 60.

[1029] It's pretty clear.

[1030] Yeah.

[1031] Unless you're a piano player.

[1032] Oh, really?

[1033] Do ladies piano playing hands?

[1034] You know, and they always like lotion up and wear gloves and stuff?

[1035] No, no. Based on these fucking hands that they just show you on forensic files, they're like clearly an older man's hand.

[1036] Okay.

[1037] The size of the, blah, blah, blah.

[1038] There's one distinctive feature, which they're hoping will identify eventually the person.

[1039] There's a thumbnail missing, like permanently or whatever.

[1040] I know.

[1041] Detectives check local hospitals and morgues.

[1042] They're like, does anyone not have that?

[1043] hands and quick question and then I'll let you go to lunch yeah and there isn't any meanwhile and this is related maybe meanwhile across town a woman named Mary and a woman named Terry sisters I just yeah it's not their fault it's their mom's fault they're beginning to worry because they haven't seen their father in over a week Right.

[1044] His name's Don Hardin, and they call everyone.

[1045] No one's heard from him.

[1046] They're like, where the fuck is he?

[1047] On April 6th, they hire a locksmith to get inside his house.

[1048] His cane is still there.

[1049] His prescription medication is all there.

[1050] He's not there.

[1051] And there's like a TV guide open to March 28th, which makes them think that that was the last time he was home.

[1052] I know.

[1053] TV guide used to be such a like thing.

[1054] I know.

[1055] It's open to the TV guy.

[1056] Yeah, like people would keep it there and just be like, what is on tonight?

[1057] Like, that was before anybody would tell you anything before the information age, when it was up to you to find out what the fuck was going on.

[1058] Yeah.

[1059] Well, that's, yeah.

[1060] His TV, VCR, and microwave are all missing.

[1061] I hope that was one machine.

[1062] TVVCR microwave.

[1063] Wouldn't that be?

[1064] Why haven't they made that?

[1065] And that TV guide was about everything where it's like, put in popcorn now.

[1066] Oh, good idea.

[1067] The commercial break, brush your teeth.

[1068] And now diagnosis murder.

[1069] And also, Don Hardin's pickup truck is gone, and so the sister's file a missing person's report.

[1070] Let me show you his picture.

[1071] He was an old Navy man. He used to be the Navy.

[1072] Yeah, he was a beard visionary.

[1073] He knew what was coming in the future, the beard trend.

[1074] He knew.

[1075] He was totally from Brooklyn.

[1076] So that's, that's, that's, Don.

[1077] on, retired, widowed, moved to San Diego to be closer to Mary and Terry.

[1078] And, okay, so while they filed a missing person's report, police hear that this guy, Don, is missing a thumbnail on his hand.

[1079] And so they know immediately that the fingerprint analysis and the hands are those of, I'd light about his age, he's 74.

[1080] Oh, okay.

[1081] He's a retired Navy pilot, and they search his home and find evidence.

[1082] of robbery, but no signs of forced entry.

[1083] They look out for stolen items at pawn shops and ship, but the only thing that's found is this wallet, driver's license, and some army medals in a dumpster, which is crazy that they were even found, right?

[1084] Yeah.

[1085] In the kitchen, it's obvious to detectives that there's been a cleanup, as well as a trail of blood from the kitchen to the living room.

[1086] They do the luminal shit.

[1087] You know.

[1088] Yeah.

[1089] And the shower curtains miss. always a bad sign and they find blood stains etc they do the luminal and large pools of blood in both the kitchen and the bathroom are found one of the investigators said it was the most luminal he's ever seen light up in his life and he said it glowed like a Christmas tree so so the worst Christmas tree ever it's so funny too like as you say the word luminal it's like you can track how crime scene investigation has developed because before the DNA thing, it was all about that Luminal.

[1090] Yeah.

[1091] It was like every forensic files episode.

[1092] Every forensic files, there was a moment where there's like the B -roll footage of like a light going off and everything turning horribly blue.

[1093] I wonder if they still even use it.

[1094] I'll make some calls.

[1095] Okay, thank you.

[1096] DNA test show, DNA test from 94, which I'm sure we're great, show that the blood is Don Hardens.

[1097] And the amount of blood the forensic pathologist is like, He didn't, this is, he died for sure.

[1098] And then they were like, also he was dismembered in the bathtub.

[1099] Based on the blood, I know, it sucks.

[1100] So police tell the Hardin's daughters, and they're completely in fucking shocked because they don't know anyone who would want to kill her dad.

[1101] He's like a lovely man to that, you know, a kind man. And one of, and has evidence to this, he always aided homeless people.

[1102] And one of the ways he did that was hiring them to do odd jobs around his property.

[1103] and he would let them live in a camper in his backyard as well, foreshadowing.

[1104] But neighbors all, well, let's see, da -da -da -da -da -da -da -da -da -ha.

[1105] Okay, and the daughters were kind of glad that someone was there with him so they could keep an eye on him in case of emergencies, he's an older man, he uses a cane.

[1106] And on March 28th, the day that the TV guide was open to, 94, dawn is last seen by neighbors driving his truck, and one of those homeless men is a passenger.

[1107] in that truck.

[1108] His name's Dale Whitmer.

[1109] He's a 41 -year -old drifter who police...

[1110] He has a record for vacancy and intoxication, but no history of violence.

[1111] And they see him later in the truck and Don isn't there.

[1112] And they see him backing up close to Hardin's house and putting shit in the truck and latering the days.

[1113] So, they pick him up for questioning.

[1114] He denies knowledge of Don's whereabouts.

[1115] Doesn't know what happened to him.

[1116] He says he loaned the pickup truck but hadn't seen him since and says that he had worked for Don Harden on and off for years and he thought of the old man, almost like a father figure.

[1117] But friends and neighbors are like, no, he fucking doesn't because he was talking shit all over town about Don Harden and he said he would, that Don had a bad temper and he was always calling him names and poking at him and like yelling at him, he says, because he was like working around his house.

[1118] That was, that was his side of the story.

[1119] So they ask him to do a polygraph test.

[1120] He's like, nope's out of there.

[1121] And he's obviously the lead suspect, but they only had circumstantial evidence.

[1122] There's no other body parts to be tested, so there's no other leads, and the case goes cold.

[1123] And then, a year later, police receive an anonymous letter.

[1124] Oh, wait, I have a photo of Dale Whitmer.

[1125] Oh.

[1126] Patrick Fuckin Swayze.

[1127] Oh.

[1128] his evil twin brother.

[1129] Yes, this was before the outsiders.

[1130] Yeah.

[1131] I don't, we've said it a thousand times, but you do, transition lenses, it is 17 red flags in a row.

[1132] You don't, your convenience of having sunglasses indoors to intentionally creep people out so they can't watch your pupils as they narrow, and as you find your prey.

[1133] Yeah.

[1134] Just don't.

[1135] Just don't.

[1136] Absolutely not.

[1137] We're against them.

[1138] So, okay, a year later, they received an anonymous letter.

[1139] And in the letter, it details the murder of Don Hardin.

[1140] And it's a bunch of shit that hadn't been released to the public.

[1141] However, then they were like, like, for the fact that he was dismembered in the bathtub.

[1142] And it's like, well, where the fuck else would he?

[1143] You could have guessed that pretty easily, right?

[1144] Yes, that's true.

[1145] Like, I don't know.

[1146] But they knew that.

[1147] And so the cops thought it was legit.

[1148] And the writer was like, I know all this info.

[1149] My friend, let's call him Bob, he was the, he's the one who knows who the killer is because he told him about it.

[1150] And it's Dale Whitmer.

[1151] So he said he killed him because Dale hated Don Harden and he was a heroin addict.

[1152] So it was also he wanted to pawn his shit.

[1153] And he claims that he put the body into the bathtub, dismembered it and then put it in garbage bags.

[1154] bearing different bags all over the county and in Mexico.

[1155] Wow.

[1156] Yeah, and the fucking, yeah.

[1157] Fucking, yeah, truly.

[1158] So the letter goes on to say that this person, Bob, who had told this letter writer about it, won't come forward to testify against Dale.

[1159] He doesn't want to tell anyone about it.

[1160] And the letter writer says, quote, I asked him to contact you directly, but he didn't feel like he could do it.

[1161] Bob is convinced that Dale will know Bob is the source of the information and may try to silence him or hurt him in some way.

[1162] So this fucking person doesn't even want to talk about it.

[1163] And it's clear to the police that the person who wrote the letter does want to help, though.

[1164] So they're like, let's find this person who wants to be anonymous.

[1165] Great.

[1166] Luminol.

[1167] No. Let's put Lumenol on everything right now.

[1168] So the forensic document office in San Diego, police department, they analyze the letter.

[1169] And so here's the thing.

[1170] This is a mistake that you won't make in the future.

[1171] I guess, when you're committing a crime, or writing an anonymous letter.

[1172] He doesn't put a, the person who sent it doesn't put a stamp on it.

[1173] He puts it through the office automatic ticket, you know, the stamp machine.

[1174] Sure.

[1175] He does that.

[1176] That's a mistake because the postal meter, it prints a number on the envelope with the stamp of the number of the serial number of the meter.

[1177] But the person who wrote the letter was like, I'm smarter than this.

[1178] I'm not going to give them that number.

[1179] and he uses just white out.

[1180] Yeah.

[1181] So he went out of his way to conceal that number.

[1182] He knew it, you know, what it would do.

[1183] But he didn't cut it teeny tiny scissors and get rid of it.

[1184] He used white out.

[1185] He used a thing that never worked and shouldn't have been invented because I can't tell you how many book reports.

[1186] The piece of binder paper weighed three pounds because I fucked up so many words.

[1187] and it's just big clumps of like weird white paste.

[1188] With like torn, ugh.

[1189] Yeah.

[1190] No. No. Which is like also so pure at heart.

[1191] This person was like, I really want to talk about this murder.

[1192] I don't think it's right.

[1193] I'm going to, you know, he's just like clearly is.

[1194] Let me get my school supplies and see what I can do.

[1195] Let's see.

[1196] So obviously the forensic document experts were like, are you fucking kidding me?

[1197] This is a, this is, I could do this in my sleep.

[1198] bro.

[1199] But it's an episode of forensic files, so they need to make it long.

[1200] And so they look for trace evidence, latent evidence, and and then they eventually just turn the envelope over, cut it in half.

[1201] Hold it up to the sun.

[1202] Yeah, and use like what essentially sounds like a fucking black light, like, or a fucking, what are those lava lamps?

[1203] It's that easy.

[1204] You dip it into the top of a lava lamp.

[1205] Yeah.

[1206] and it comes out, and they find the serial number when they, and it turns out the serial number of them, it reveals the state, the city, the street name, and the office address of the postal meter.

[1207] Like, it couldn't be more hobbies, horoscopes, every single thing.

[1208] That's right.

[1209] It's a business located in La Mesa, California.

[1210] The owner of the company is a dude named Mark Davis, and he's a bishop at the Mormon church.

[1211] So the cops walk in, and he's like, like, fuck.

[1212] I'm never trusting Whiteout again.

[1213] And he's like, look, the source of the information, because he was the writer because someone had told him about it, right?

[1214] Yeah, yeah.

[1215] So he was like...

[1216] He's like, first of all, I'm wearing secret underwear.

[1217] Secondly, let me just get this off my chest.

[1218] I'm wearing a strange garment.

[1219] Okay, anyway.

[1220] And I hate Whiteout.

[1221] But, but, but...

[1222] So he's like, here's the thing.

[1223] the person who told me about it is a member of my church, so I have you know, privilege, whatever.

[1224] Church privileges.

[1225] So I don't have to tell you anything, no, no, no, nah, nah.

[1226] It's quoted.

[1227] And the cops are like, oh, yeah, we're going to fucking take you to court, and we're going to, God's going to be like, those aren't your privileges anymore.

[1228] And they do, and God is like, or the judge, is like, yeah, you can tell us.

[1229] And the reason the judge rules against him and says that the privilege was already broken when this guy Davis wrote the letter to the police.

[1230] Ooh, that's true.

[1231] But it's almost like, well, you broke it already, you might as well fucking spill.

[1232] It's like kind of, okay, you know?

[1233] Oh, I'm on the judge's side.

[1234] Okay, well, so is everyone else.

[1235] I am too.

[1236] Tell it to these people.

[1237] We don't want it to be solved.

[1238] So they're like, dude, just tell us everything.

[1239] And so, Mark Davis, the Mormon church bishop is like, shit.

[1240] Okay, the person who told me about Dale Whitmer being the fucking murderer is...

[1241] Jesus Christ of the Latter -day Saints.

[1242] When he appeared to the Cowboys in Arizona.

[1243] That's right.

[1244] One of those ones?

[1245] It's Dale's fucking daughter.

[1246] What?

[1247] His own daughter, Andrea, who was Bob, who told the bishop.

[1248] about the other guy.

[1249] Like, my dad's the one who did it.

[1250] Right.

[1251] So, yeah, she, apparently he told her everything, and she fucking told her bishop, thinking it was privileged.

[1252] The bishop was like, I can't keep this.

[1253] And told.

[1254] So, on October 29th, 1996, Dale Whitmer is charged with Don Hardin's murder.

[1255] He pleads not guilty, but the star witnessed against him is his own fucking daughter who finds, she's like, this is really hard.

[1256] I don't want to, like, I have to tell the truth on the stand because, you know, I'm swearing to God and shit, but I don't want to betray my dad, but he's a murderer.

[1257] So, uh, so she fucking spills the beans.

[1258] Yeah.

[1259] Oh, I think I have a photo of her.

[1260] Oh, she's like, this sucks.

[1261] Is that her in court?

[1262] Yeah.

[1263] She's like, Jesus.

[1264] Awful.

[1265] Secret undergarments.

[1266] So, um, so they, prosecutors theorize that, Whitmer disposed of the body parts in numerous dumpsters.

[1267] I already said that.

[1268] To this fucking day, the only thing that's ever been found was the hands.

[1269] Really?

[1270] Yeah.

[1271] How crazy is that?

[1272] It just makes you wonder what's in landfills and shit.

[1273] Well, that's why we're going to go to one tonight.

[1274] Everybody?

[1275] Do it.

[1276] At our party.

[1277] Horrible.

[1278] I was thinking we should go and open all the cages at SeaWorld and let all the animals out.

[1279] Why aren't you leaving?

[1280] All those fish cages.

[1281] You're afraid.

[1282] they're like we've only ever lived here we don't please don't make us go out there we don't know how to catch fish unless someone throws it from a bucket please someone train us they want to be there nope nope nope nope that's like your aunt diane's response they love it there oh my god we went and that orgo was smiling no no you just have vacation guilt Okay, so the jury, of course, finds Dale Whitmer, guilty of second -degree murder, and he sentenced to 15 years to life in prison with the eligibility of parole in just 10 sweet years.

[1283] Yep.

[1284] And so he has petition for parole, but is denied every time, thankfully.

[1285] The parole board cites the fact that he hasn't taken part in any rehab program, and he's not working better himself behind bars.

[1286] and he, let's see, he doesn't show any remorse and he's considered a risk to the public so he hasn't been paroled.

[1287] Good.

[1288] Yes.

[1289] Okay.

[1290] Something to clap for.

[1291] After the trial, Don's...

[1292] Oh, wait, let me show you this one.

[1293] That's him looking like Patrick Swayze again.

[1294] Doesn't he?

[1295] Uh -huh.

[1296] With like yellow hair?

[1297] Everything's beige.

[1298] He goes and he tans his face.

[1299] sunglasses and hair yeah after the trial Don Hardin's hands are cremated and his ashes are buried by the U .S. Navy at sea off the coast of California his daughters feel closure after their father has his proper burial at sea because it was one of his final wishes that they were able to carry out that is the murder of Don Hardin a .k .a. Hand delivered.

[1300] Hand delivered.

[1301] Hand.

[1302] it's so especially awful it's like we talk about things where it's random crime we talk about things where it's like in the horrible in the family crime but this is a person who got murdered because he was helping somebody right and that's fucking awful never help people if you leave here with anything tonight is keep all your money in your pocket and also leave here with those binoculars pick them in your purse I dare you The message is steal the binoculars, everybody.

[1303] We don't know why.

[1304] We wish we did.

[1305] The fucking theater, like, charges us for all that.

[1306] They're like, they told them to steal the binoculars.

[1307] They gave permission from the stage.

[1308] Do we have time for our hometown?

[1309] It's time.

[1310] Oh, my God.

[1311] Sitting down for so long.

[1312] Hello, everybody.

[1313] What's up?

[1314] Yeah.

[1315] Tour manager, husband, extraordinary.

[1316] You got us off that overpass.

[1317] I'm in a legal contract.

[1318] with the lady in the lobby, you've got to get those binoculars back.

[1319] Oh, shit.

[1320] Did you take them now?

[1321] Stage or not?

[1322] It's, uh, they don't fuck around with the binoculars in this place.

[1323] I've got some cash in my purse.

[1324] Make sure I get them back.

[1325] I'm going to be right over there.

[1326] Okay.

[1327] Thank you.

[1328] Thank you so much.

[1329] Vince, Averbody, Vince, April, holding it down, making it happen for us.

[1330] That's right.

[1331] Um, hey, okay, I think it's important to state that this is the first fucking hometown of 2019.

[1332] Yes.

[1333] Of the tour.

[1334] Let's run down.

[1335] I won't do the same rules I always do.

[1336] Most people know them.

[1337] This is that we forgot to say in the beginning.

[1338] There are definitely some people in this room who, A, got brought by another person have no idea what's going on and still don't to this moment.

[1339] Welcome.

[1340] Hi, how are you?

[1341] Thank you for not leaving.

[1342] Thank you for giving us the benefit of doubt.

[1343] Thanks for just having that weird smile on your face and rolling your eyes.

[1344] We can't see you.

[1345] It's perfect.

[1346] We, one of our last shows last year, There was, we found this out afterwards when we met some people in the meet and greet line.

[1347] Remember this?

[1348] There were, I can't remember what city we were in.

[1349] Maybe it was Austin.

[1350] And there were some older ladies who came to the show because they thought it was murder mystery theater.

[1351] I forgot all about that.

[1352] Yes.

[1353] How have we not talked about that on the podcast?

[1354] I know.

[1355] We'll have to put that on our list.

[1356] You guys were the first to know.

[1357] So these girls that sat next to these ladies said that in the beginning they were like, what's this they thought it was going to be like an interactive play and meanwhile were like fuck shit and also fuck yeah and they left no they did not be oh good all right that was it there was a different show where people got up and stormed out because they were season ticket holders and they thought it was fan of the opera part too yes yes I'm not kidding I'm not fucking kidding because of our because of the picture poster were we all serious because I'll only show half of my face.

[1358] It makes you look serious and mysterious.

[1359] They thought it was the sequel to Phantom of the Opera.

[1360] Yeah.

[1361] It's nothing better than those audience stories than we get after.

[1362] Okay, so anyway, what we're trying to say is, this is a part where Georgia will pick somebody out of the audience to come up and tell everybody their hometown story.

[1363] Please keep in mind that this is a humongous theater.

[1364] The lights are going to be up, and it's going to be very nerve -wracking.

[1365] so it'll be great if you're not drunk or on meth it's better or you can be a little drunk but you have to be able to follow your own story and it has to be local or everyone will reject you socially and it's really good if it's a little bit maybe weird or uplifting or there's some kind of up part that's nice yeah a little pop as Georgia likes to say and then just remember that if you get picked.

[1366] Everyone else hates you, so hurry the fuck up.

[1367] All right.

[1368] Now, if we could have the house lights up just for a second so Georgia can pick the first hometown.

[1369] Thank you.

[1370] Yeah.

[1371] I don't, oh, I hate doing this so much.

[1372] You, shaking your, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was fast.

[1373] Sorry.

[1374] Holy shit.

[1375] Hey, get your binoculars out while she's on her way up.

[1376] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1377] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[1378] Oh, she's got a midriff shirt on.

[1379] She fucking parties.

[1380] This is going to be amazing.

[1381] You can bring those house to thank you.

[1382] Yeah.

[1383] You know.

[1384] Thank you.

[1385] The light person is on point.

[1386] Oh, hi.

[1387] Hi.

[1388] How are you?

[1389] Oh, my God.

[1390] Look at your outfit.

[1391] Delaney.

[1392] This is Delaney, everybody.

[1393] Say hello to her.

[1394] Yes.

[1395] I love your outfit.

[1396] Yes.

[1397] She wore her show clothes.

[1398] So imagine this material but in tight pants is what I wore.

[1399] I've been sweating so much under this tonight.

[1400] It's crazy.

[1401] You sweat a lot in vinyl.

[1402] It's all plastic.

[1403] It's right.

[1404] It doesn't breathe.

[1405] Where are you from Delaney?

[1406] I am from San Diego.

[1407] I live out in Alpine, which is way east.

[1408] It's kind of like the petaluma maybe of San Diego.

[1409] Kind of like everybody has like farm animals and like my neighbors have donkeys and it's crazy.

[1410] Awesome.

[1411] But anyway, so my hometown murder.

[1412] I just iced Delaney on the Petaluma parallel.

[1413] It's just like, we'll see.

[1414] We'll see.

[1415] A little bit, maybe.

[1416] I was waiting for you to be like, and what's your hometown?

[1417] But you just stared at her.

[1418] That was a serious power move on my part.

[1419] I don't know what I'm doing.

[1420] Okay.

[1421] Mine is the murder of Danielle Van Damme.

[1422] Yeah, it was pretty crazy.

[1423] So she was murdered in about, I think it was 2002.

[1424] And she was just about the same age as I was when it happened, which was about six, seven years old.

[1425] And I was so terrified that I slept to my parents' floor of their bedroom for about five years.

[1426] Wow.

[1427] Yeah.

[1428] Years, really?

[1429] It was a couple years.

[1430] They called somebody and they were like, what do we do?

[1431] Like, I mean, it's bad.

[1432] Yeah, it was bad.

[1433] Will they at least put like a cot down or something?

[1434] I slept in a sleeping bag for a couple, for a while.

[1435] Yeah.

[1436] That's awful.

[1437] Well, that's a very young age to like realize something like that happened.

[1438] Yeah, no, it was, yeah.

[1439] So, um, she was, um, she lived and was abducted in Poway area.

[1440] Um, but she was found, her body a month later was found on Dehisa Road, which is near Alpine.

[1441] It's very, like, uh, rural.

[1442] Yeah.

[1443] Um, so what happened was, um, it was early February 2002.

[1444] She was, her husband was, or the husband was home, the dad, and, um, tucked in Danielle and her brothers and the mom was out at a local bar and they were kind of known as being more like drinking parents I ever know this one you know it?

[1445] Yes, good God.

[1446] Oh my God.

[1447] So the mom got home like around when the bar closed with a couple friends around 2 a .m. and she noticed I think it was her garage like side door was open and the alarm, their security alarm was off.

[1448] And so she kind of like blew it off like it was nothing.

[1449] hung out with her friends for a little bit and then went to bed with her family and then a little bit later the husband woke up I think to the alarm off again and I believe it was a sighting glass door that was open so again kind of blew it off like it was nothing went back to bed and about 930 the next morning they woke all their kids up you know Danielle was missing nothing wasn't anywhere so they called the cops immediately and I believe at the time it was the biggest search effort in all of California history for search teams and so it was a whole month that she was missing that they did not find anything and it was David Westerfield her next door neighbor I believe two doors down had abducted her in the middle of the night taken her in his RV and then went out to Silver Strand State Beach where you can beach camp over in Coronado and then out after that I don't know how long he was there but it was about a month total.

[1450] He went out to glam us out in the desert after.

[1451] And there's even videos you can find online of he got stuck and had to get like pulled out by people.

[1452] So when they found her, it was at the end of February, so it was just about a month.

[1453] And it was really rural area.

[1454] And they did not, they could not confirm her cause of death or whether she was sexually assaulted.

[1455] And he, they found, the police found a ton of, child pornography all over his computers and everything so you can assume but yeah they weren't able to find anything and at the time they built a huge it was a pink staircase I believe that was her memorial on Dehisa and I remember my brothers were taking right across the street was a golf course and they were taking golf lessons so at the time I drove there every day dropping them off of golf lessons and I was super terrified and saw it all the time Did the guy get arrested and shit?

[1456] Yeah, he's, I believe in San Quint.

[1457] And I don't know if he got the death penalty or not.

[1458] I can't remember, but I know he's at least there for life, if not, the death penalty.

[1459] Say her name again, Danielle?

[1460] Delaney.

[1461] No, no, no, the girls.

[1462] Oh, Danielle Van Dam.

[1463] And there's a memorial overpass and El Cajon for her.

[1464] So you'll probably see her name.

[1465] Nice.

[1466] You guys drive down there.

[1467] That's great.

[1468] Delaney, thank you so much.

[1469] Great job.

[1470] Thank you, Delaney.

[1471] Give it up for her.

[1472] Yeah, yeah.

[1473] Thank you.

[1474] Oy.

[1475] Touch shit.

[1476] you find out when you're a little kid that's just like, oh, this is real life.

[1477] I feel like most of us murderinos, that's what happened.

[1478] Yes, exactly.

[1479] Also, it's extra creepy, like, being five or six when Delaney was, and then it's like, oh, a neighbor.

[1480] You know what I mean?

[1481] Like, so it's all, you have, you live in that world where you're like, oh, the neighbor, everybody's friends and we all, everybody protects each other.

[1482] It's got to be some monster who did it.

[1483] Yeah.

[1484] It's your fucking neighbor.

[1485] Two doors down.

[1486] That's fucking horrible.

[1487] That's why we're here.

[1488] Well, wow.

[1489] That's how we like to wrap things up.

[1490] awful memories awful local memories yeah let's all remember you know the gold yeah that's right thank you guys for fucking being in our first show of the fucking year it was that was an amazing kickoff I mean I don't know this is this has been such an incredible experience we have such a good time well not when you do that but we have such a such a good time.

[1491] The fact that we get to come out here, come to these shows, you guys bring so much energy and positivity and excitement, and then we get to talk about this thing we're fascinated by, that's fucking horrible.

[1492] It's very freeing.

[1493] It's also very, it's kind of very life -affirming in a weird way.

[1494] It's like saying, these are the things, these are my biggest fears, and everybody else going, yeah, those are mine too.

[1495] And we get to laugh about it.

[1496] We get to do things the way we want to do them, and we don't have to give a shit about who's judging us because we're all together and that's an amazing feeling for us and we're glad that it's an amazing feeling for you too.

[1497] And we just can't believe we keep getting to do this.

[1498] We keep waiting for, you know, not to sell out anymore and not tour because they're over it.

[1499] But you guys are here.

[1500] It's the beginning of a fucking big tour.

[1501] Thank you so much again for supporting us.

[1502] It's insane.

[1503] You're here, we're here.

[1504] It's very fun and we thank you so much.

[1505] Thank you so much.

[1506] Do us a favor.

[1507] Stay sexy.