DZ 2-3-25: Luka traded to the Lakers

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[23] How everybody is afraid of Luka, but I'm not saying because he's so scary, but because he's such a big persona and how everybody liked LeBron in L .A. and every big superstar, I would assume Jokic in Denver, everything, the whole organization evolves around them.

[24] And I think they didn't like that.

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[30] Monday, February 3rd, show number two, excuse me, 307 of the dumb zone.

[31] First show after an emergency live stream podcast, which we did yesterday.

[32] Remember that?

[33] I do.

[34] Therapeutic at that.

[35] I don't know.

[36] It's so sad.

[37] I'm Dan McDowell.

[38] I'm Jake Kemp.

[39] What does it even matter anymore?

[40] Along with Rob Chickering and Clayton and for some reason, Ty Walker, we are here in our downtown Dallas DZTV studios in the Fox 4 building.

[41] where cars just drive in the parking lot garage opening nowadays.

[42] In the past, they have driven in different ways here.

[43] I don't follow.

[44] Thought a car drove through the front.

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[47] We're doing mods.

[48] The guy who just had his house redone does mods.

[49] A couple mods.

[50] It's unfortunate because I thought Blake, after everything I heard this weekend, was going to introduce himself as I'm Blake Basketball Jones.

[51] I can see what you did Friday night.

[52] It's what I do every Friday night.

[53] I listen to some Argyle Eagles basketball.

[54] What a game.

[55] Yeah?

[56] Yeah.

[57] A little overtime thriller.

[58] Oh, yeah.

[59] Blake Basketball Jones, everybody.

[60] I'd like to keep those two lives a little separate.

[61] Good luck.

[62] Yeah, the Fox building is abuzz of or with Mavericks -Luca trade talk.

[63] Two guys in the bathroom just now just kind of chopping it up.

[64] What do you think?

[65] Dude, it's...

[66] I do think it might be the biggest trade in NBA history.

[67] Yeah.

[68] Or the most shocking.

[69] Right now, I'm saying the worst.

[70] Sure.

[71] This is a horrible, horrible thing.

[72] It's a horrible day.

[73] I don't know that...

[74] I was trying to get my comp and I was in Cleveland when the Browns moved and when it was discovered and when the news broke and protests and craziness and it's like that.

[75] Yeah.

[76] That's the thing.

[77] That's how big an NBA superstar, not any NBA superstar, that's how big this NBA superstar is.

[78] In this city.

[79] Well, I think he would be kind of anywhere that got him.

[80] It's like how big LeBron was as big as a sports franchise when he was in Cleveland, you know, and for much of his career.

[81] He's been that.

[82] But LeBron was different than KD, big star.

[83] But it was never that.

[84] He was the franchise.

[85] And the value of the franchise went up hundreds of millions of dollars based on him being on that franchise.

[86] Yeah, no, that's a good comp because it leaves you with questions about, well, what am I supposed to do?

[87] Just like if your team moved.

[88] The only difference now is...

[89] It's even more confusing because I imagine people in Cleveland at the time, well, they're mad at the organization.

[90] So why would they follow the team to another city and you're just left with nothing?

[91] Cheer for those players in Baltimore especially because Art Modell was the guy who was still there.

[92] Right.

[93] So now you're left with the rest of the team and you're guys on another team, which puts you in a little bit of a situation as far as all of us.

[94] And I don't know.

[95] People will say, what are you going to do?

[96] What are you going to talk about?

[97] Are you going to buy a jersey?

[98] I don't know.

[99] I think you just have to kind of wait and sort it out.

[100] But I definitely understand people, because I'm close to it myself, saying, like, I'm just done with the Mavs.

[101] Yeah, no, I've had plenty of people reach out and show me screenshots of their canceled Mavs TV thingy subscription, and I'm sure they're going to take a season ticket hit.

[102] Oh.

[103] And because we talked about this yesterday and we're still talking about it, it's just not a...

[104] Even if they win the championship this year, that's not the only thing that it's about.

[105] There is something to having your guy that you drafted, that you saw when he was 19.

[106] Part of the Dirk thing was that you saw him as not a great player and grow into that and become it and then have the critics and he's got to overcome this and that and the loss to Miami, the loss to Golden State, the comeback, the redemption, he's going to be the best player to never win a title, to actually win.

[107] It meant so much.

[108] That was probably my greatest.

[109] sports memory in my history is the Mavs winning the title.

[110] Yeah, I would agree.

[111] And yours is longer than mine, but yeah, it's because you bonded with it.

[112] And you had to tell everyone from outside, this is kind of how it was with Romo, except when I was doing it for Romo, I never even really believed it.

[113] But you would fight with people about Dirk.

[114] You would fight the soft moniker.

[115] You would fight the clutch number.

[116] You would show them these numbers, like actually he's better than Kobe in the clutch.

[117] And actually, you know, he's...

[118] body and up to kg he's just as tough that's what was fun about it the weird thing with luca is you didn't really have to tell anybody else what you had with luca we all just kind of assumed that everyone understood this everyone did in the whole league nobody would have ever even brought up trading for luca no every fan base every analyst every gm no it was just there's just one guy like it's amazing that you got that guy Then you do everything you can to try to keep that guy, including paying an exorbitant salary because he was one of the best four or five young players in the history of the entire league.

[119] That's why those salary escalators kicked in, and it was done in a CBA.

[120] They negotiated that so that the really, really, really good players could get something closer to an actual approximation of their value.

[121] Even that wouldn't be.

[122] Luka in line for a $70 million a year contract extension this summer.

[123] They can't offer that.

[124] And it's important to mention that CBA that you speak of there, the incentive to the player to make that amount of money that might approximate their real value, the league incentivizes the team to keep the player.

[125] Because you're the only one, obviously, that can offer it.

[126] So the league is set up.

[127] Right.

[128] Yeah, you could offer that.

[129] And if he wants to leave, he has to take much less money to leave.

[130] Right.

[131] And it's not happened many times, but the only other time I guess it has happened would be Anthony Davis.

[132] But Anthony Davis was in a shitty situation in New Orleans and was begging out.

[133] Nothing could be further from the truth with Luka by Nico's own admission.

[134] We played a little bit of that press conference yesterday, but the more I think about it, the more nerved I am by it.

[135] I don't know what I was hoping for.

[136] Maybe he was going to produce a police report.

[137] And I'm like, oh, geez, got to stay away from Luka.

[138] But instead, he just got up there and was like, hey, it's exactly what you think it is.

[139] I just traded him.

[140] I didn't think he was good enough.

[141] He just said it.

[142] And then we're like, well, you certainly called everyone.

[143] No, I didn't.

[144] I wanted to trade him because I think Anthony Davis is better.

[145] So I just called the one guy I know who.

[146] currently employs anthony davis and he was down i feel like this is all criminal the more i think about it like i couldn't get to sleep last night it was dude this right here is the reason why and i don't know necessarily how this works in european sports but i know that in some companies like the way things are set up this is kind of like a socialist dream is that companies their board would always have a seat for people who work for the company and they would vote You know what I mean?

[147] There's always somebody involved in shareholder meetings who's actually representing the people who go to work there every day.

[148] Because clearly what you have here are two people in Dumont and Harrison who have no clue how the day -to -day operations of the vibe, the city, who's going to come to games and not come to games.

[149] Leave aside their assessment of Anthony Davis giving them a better chance to win than Luka this year, next year, and maybe the third.

[150] That's debatable, but let's say that's actually true.

[151] This is the sort of thing where you need somebody who works down on the floor of the hub by the machines to be in the room at the table and be like, you really have to understand.

[152] I want to make sure you understand the full scope of what you're about to do here.

[153] And clearly that didn't happen.

[154] Because Dumont doesn't know what he's – it's fine he doesn't know.

[155] A lot of owners don't know anything about the NBA or about basketball.

[156] He seems to be on the very low end of that.

[157] But the assumption is the guy who's been around basketball his whole life is going to give him good information.

[158] And then my assumption, too, because I thought this is what it took to make a billion dollars, is that Dumont would have people in between him and Nico.

[159] that could maybe figure some of the – like, is this what this guy giving me legit?

[160] And it doesn't appear that happened.

[161] It appears Nico went to him and was like, see, this guy scores 27 points a game.

[162] This guy scores 25.

[163] They're basically the same.

[164] One of them is going to save us a lot of money.

[165] How do you feel about that?

[166] Right.

[167] So that was like – We'll score points.

[168] We had a really good friend text us this morning.

[169] Must have listened to the show this morning.

[170] our podcast from yesterday.

[171] But he's a guy who is a big Milwaukee fan, and I worked with him for like two decades.

[172] And anyway, and he heard us yesterday talking about the fact, and I was just saying, you know, teams that would trade for, like, Luka's so good, there's only two guys that probably they wouldn't trade, like is Wemby.

[173] I can't remember.

[174] Oh, I said Jokic and Wemby.

[175] And he points out that they wouldn't trade Giannis because you don't trade the soul of your franchise, the very reason that your franchise, you know, still exists in that town.

[176] A guy who is, you know, stayed there, who did the battles.

[177] And yes, I agree with that.

[178] Like on paper, you could probably.

[179] convince Milwaukee that, look, this guy is younger and points per game and everything, and I think you would want to trade Luka for Giannis.

[180] But they wouldn't because you just don't trade a Giannis.

[181] Yeah, they understand.

[182] And that's why you wouldn't trade Luka, too.

[183] Right.

[184] You don't trade that, the thing that is your whole franchise.

[185] Even if you have some clear -cut objective reasons, short of degenerative, something muscular that you know he will not even be in the league in three years, and you have to get way ahead of this, and you're going to be hailed as a genius, and you can kind of sit back knowing, don't worry, it's all going to be fine.

[186] But...

[187] Short of that.

[188] Short of that.

[189] So either Nico is this bad, like unbelievably bad, when you look at everything...

[190] That goes down here when you talk about.

[191] He didn't get a bidding war going.

[192] Because I can't imagine what that might have been.

[193] If Rudy Gobert is getting four firsts and.

[194] Who is it on the Knicks?

[195] Mikkel Bridges?

[196] Bridges just got five first.

[197] Yeah, yeah.

[198] And the argument being made against that is that you could see a situation where if they started to shop him and word got out, he would get pissed off and then he wouldn't be willing to sign his Supermax this offseason.

[199] And now it's a big problem.

[200] You see this with Jimmy Butler.

[201] Well, he'd be willing to sign that Supermax if you can trade it.

[202] The difference is, if he signs the Supermax, you can trade him anywhere.

[203] You know what I mean?

[204] Whereas if he doesn't, then you somewhat limit the range of teams.

[205] Jimmy Butler has told the Warriors, I won't sign an extension, so don't trade for me. But I don't buy it either way.

[206] Because, first of all, you just sign him and then you trade him.

[207] Again, Dame didn't want to go to Milwaukee.

[208] Yeah, now he could say, you know, I'm going to, like, if they said, Utah, you have a million picks.

[209] We're going to trade you to Utah.

[210] He could say, I don't want to play in Utah, and I'm not going to, like, I'll go back to Slovenia or something, and what's Utah going to do?

[211] They might not trade.

[212] There are ways, yeah.

[213] But he didn't want to rebuild.

[214] He had Anthony Davis in mind, and that's why he went straight to the left.

[215] That's the thing.

[216] He only had Anthony Davis in mind, in my head.

[217] Yeah.

[218] He was his player rep at Nike.

[219] That's the only explanation.

[220] But, okay, he allowed the Lakers to hang on to a number one?

[221] Insane.

[222] Insane.

[223] The fact that they didn't get, they had two sitting right there.

[224] Palenka was going to, if he had said, I got to have that, I got to have multiple number ones.

[225] Deals off.

[226] Is Palenka walking away?

[227] There's no chance.

[228] There's no way.

[229] They were like, are you serious?

[230] We're about to land.

[231] The next great LA athlete that we can market for another decade.

[232] He's not walking away.

[233] And they made the Mavs throw in a second.

[234] The Mavs should have got five seconds.

[235] Like, okay, you don't have any more first?

[236] What about a second?

[237] Let's get some other teams involved to get me. I got to get some stuff, man. Just give me one of the big ones.

[238] I got to make it just look.

[239] I got to make it look like we're Minnesota in the Herschel Walker trade where we're getting lots of things, but we're not.

[240] Basically, it was kind of like an even trade, Luka for Anthony Davis.

[241] That's why we don't know the whole story.

[242] Because on paper, this makes no sense.

[243] I'm starting to come around to the idea there is no more to the story.

[244] Now, we can talk about...

[245] uh why it is that the ownership group was like i want to know whose idea it was nico or ownership to start the ball rolling on we don't want to offer him this super max if it's the owner i guess i get it there's some talk of like a you know they want to depress the value they want to turn the fan base against them they want to move the team or they want to get in the ring that we can talk about all that stuff i think it would be really weird if that was nico's idea Very weird.

[246] Like Nico comes up with, hey, you know what?

[247] This summer we might have to make a decision on our best player getting what he deserves.

[248] Maybe I should go run and tell the teacher this is going to cost a lot.

[249] So that's weird to me too.

[250] But either way, I don't know that there's much more to this than however they arrived at it.

[251] They did not want to give Luka that Supermax.

[252] And Nico thinks that Anthony Davis gives them, with Max Christie, who's been starting for the Lakers and probably should start here, that that gives them a better chance to win this year and next year.

[253] I had never even considered that until you mentioned that your friend who's worked for the Cavs for a long time brought it up yesterday.

[254] And then I saw Charles Barkley talking about it.

[255] And you might not go to Chuck for hardcore hoops analysis, but...

[256] I had to write a thing.

[257] I got to write a thing for D Magazine.

[258] Did he also say that?

[259] Yeah, where you just look at – They're going to be a top five, maybe the best rebounding team in the league.

[260] They're probably going to be a very good defensive team.

[261] They already kind of were skating around on that front, and Anthony Davis is still really good.

[262] But – It's the Anthony Davis show in L .A. It's not the LeBron show.

[263] I feel like it might just be that straightforward.

[264] If we were to just take our Homer glasses off, because we all love Luka to a great degree.

[265] He is 25, but he's not your normal 25.

[266] He was playing pro basketball at 16.

[267] There's more tread on the tires than a normal 25 -year -old.

[268] If his weight is a concern, and injuries are a concern, and off -the -court issues are a concern.

[269] a combination of diet and whatever he puts into himself, plus the culture in the locker room.

[270] What if Nico just strictly said, this guy will not be worth this money in three years?

[271] Is that a good enough explanation?

[272] That's the conclusion that he arrived at.

[273] I would say, well, it seems like we're only talking about the downside of the ledger here.

[274] When we make this decision, let's also talk about...

[275] the pro side of this pro -con list, and on the pro one, it said I just watched him in the finals six months ago.

[276] And I saw him three years ago.

[277] I watched him drag a team that had no business being in the Western Conference finals to that level.

[278] Yeah.

[279] He's the kind of guy where the Lakers' odds have gone up tremendously to win the title this year.

[280] That's weird.

[281] But he's the kind of guy.

[282] If you have Luka, you just don't know.

[283] Because he can take the whole team on his back and win a whole playoff series by himself.

[284] He can.

[285] Anthony Davis cannot.

[286] He can, and he did.

[287] However, when the Mavs were down 3 -0, Windhorst did that report that we've seen circulating.

[288] Luka's out of shape.

[289] Luka bitches all the time.

[290] And that was not good enough to beat the Celtics.

[291] So what if Nico just saw, this is how our season is going to end every year?

[292] And to that end, Windhorst followed up.

[293] This week.

[294] And said that when he did that.

[295] He was in the Mavs locker room and meeting room.

[296] For the next two days.

[297] And nobody said hey.

[298] That was a little off base.

[299] No they probably appreciated.

[300] A little public pressure on that as well.

[301] Doing that for him.

[302] So clearly that's just something that Nico.

[303] And whatever constitutes his guys.

[304] But still.

[305] Had a huge problem with.

[306] But still.

[307] Wouldn't you love to get to a point.

[308] Where the biggest fault was that your leader.

[309] mentally broke once he was down 3 -0 in the finals he had just brought you to?

[310] No. I'd love to be in that situation again soon.

[311] Ultimately, this came down to Nico Harrison does not want to deal with Luka.

[312] Okay, so he's out of shape.

[313] He doesn't take things seriously, but even that person can bring you to the finals.

[314] And have the most decorated resume of anyone at his age.

[315] Imagine once this 25 -year -old starts to change his game a little, which commonly happens to athletes in all sports.

[316] You know when it happens?

[317] Tom Brady wasn't Tom Brady until he, you know, somewhere along the line, he kind of started thinking, I want to.

[318] Yeah, but Luka might not turn into that.

[319] It happens when it starts being a problem.

[320] What a risk.

[321] That's a huge risk.

[322] I know, I'm with you, but I'm trying to see it from Nico's side, who a week ago we thought was the greatest thing in town.

[323] That's what I'm trying to keep in mind.

[324] He's pulled off a series of seemingly very wise trades once the outcome washed out.

[325] You're right.

[326] I mean, two months ago, you were saying this is the best Mavs team of all time.

[327] Well, once we thought.

[328] Nico created that.

[329] You know what?

[330] He was a great family man, a beautiful smile.

[331] He had rushed for 2 ,000 yards in the NFL.

[332] It was incredible.

[333] I mean, a spokesman like sell a ketchup popsicle.

[334] Then I turn around and I'm looking for his spouse and I find her without a head.

[335] OK, I'm just saying the glove didn't fit.

[336] All right.

[337] I want to see.

[338] I want to see it out.

[339] But I can see his line of thinking.

[340] But I'm with you.

[341] We had a darling.

[342] We had him since he was a teenager.

[343] You let that ride out.

[344] And I've seen the failure.

[345] You know, we we got to get to there with him.

[346] With him.

[347] How bad would it have been?

[348] He's part of it.

[349] If he flames out on the Supermax, you're done with him by the time he's 30.

[350] You know?

[351] Yeah.

[352] It's not like you're saying, like, we're going to be strapped to this guy until he's 37.

[353] Right.

[354] This is not a Jimmy Butler situation where you have to.

[355] No. He's right there right now.

[356] And, again, I think we can all speak from personal experience, but also I'll reference the Dirk anecdotes again.

[357] You start to pay closer attention to your body.

[358] when not paying close attention to your body starts presenting challenges for you.

[359] And I don't know if I'm looking around like, I should probably be the MVP.

[360] Oh yeah, let me grab a salad.

[361] It doesn't work that way usually.

[362] You have to go through it a little bit and then it hits.

[363] And they didn't even want to figure that part of it out.

[364] Didn't even want to wait and see.

[365] It's not like they've been in three finals and he kept coming up short.

[366] It's not like this is a, I don't know if he can win the big one type thing.

[367] He doesn't have that moniker yet.

[368] And they decided, why don't we never let him find out in a Dallas Mavericks uniform?

[369] Very weird.

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[410] who was at a desk with Luca's dad yesterday.

[411] The way you know this is like the biggest trade in NBA history or the most shocking or the worst or all that is that, so Shams tweeted this out when it happened.

[412] He got the info.

[413] Isn't he a clutch guy?

[414] You got to know whose agent is whose, and now even the newsbreakers, you have to know who their agent is.

[415] Correct.

[416] And so he is associated with the agency of, ad the brow or what's his other nickname street clothes yeah that's a funny one uh it's actually on his basketball reference page you know how we've joked before about it seems like you can just throw anything on a basketball reference nickname page yeah so it's got unibrow the brow ad ant and street clothes because he's so often Yes.

[417] Sitting behind the bench in street clothes.

[418] A little bit more of a norm -type line, but I really enjoyed Anthony Day to Davis this weekend.

[419] Day to Davis.

[420] Yeah.

[421] I like it.

[422] But so when Shams tweeted it, this is something now I'm trying to ingest as much meaty as I can, hear all the talking heads, the national people talk about this.

[423] They are all, in fact, I went to Lockdown Lakers.

[424] What's their initial take?

[425] That's smart.

[426] And I'll tell you their initial take in a moment.

[427] But everybody is like, I thought he was hacked.

[428] Because if this was a real trade for Luka Doncic, it would have been for much more.

[429] Like, this is too fake.

[430] Like, whoever hacked this.

[431] Real great that you got into Shams' account, but you don't understand basketball.

[432] Right, some dork.

[433] There's no way.

[434] Yeah.

[435] Like, if you're going to do this, make it look real.

[436] So that's how we know it's fake.

[437] And I guess Shams was getting enough of that that he had to put out another tweet that said, hey, this is me, this is my account, this is real.

[438] And then the basketball world just went into a tizzy.

[439] And it remains there.

[440] Were y 'all awake when it happened?

[441] No. Were you?

[442] Oh, you were.

[443] No, I woke up to 50 texts.

[444] It was, I don't know.

[445] It was funny seeing all those texts.

[446] I was like, okay, what happened?

[447] Death.

[448] Right.

[449] Or tragedy of some sort.

[450] And then I saw Luca got traded and it's worse.

[451] Yeah.

[452] So much worse.

[453] At first I was like, man, I knew the tariffs would be a big deal.

[454] You'd rather have no more lunches with your grandpa.

[455] In some way.

[456] You don't want to say that out loud.

[457] Yeah, he'd be pain -free in a happy place.

[458] I'd bring mine back, let him think we're having another lunch, and then put him back to sleep to get Luka back.

[459] Yeah, just as he's about to take his first bite.

[460] Yeah.

[461] Yeah, no, I was asleep.

[462] I fell asleep in the daughter room at 8 .30, 9 o 'clock, as I will, as Blake will.

[463] Not in my daughter's room, but in his kid's room.

[464] And that means that I didn't plug my phone in.

[465] And I was telling Dan yesterday, somehow my phone has an uncanny ability to wait to die until right when I wake up.

[466] It's at 1%.

[467] And then once I'm like, oh, what's going on?

[468] It's 4 o 'clock in the morning, and I'm like 1%.

[469] And I look at my phone, and I've got 50 text messages.

[470] Just glancing at them for three seconds before my phone died, it was all, what the fuck, what the fuck, what the fuck, oh my God, Luca, oh my God.

[471] I assumed he had retired or was out for the year.

[472] Car crash, something.

[473] Plugged the phone in, went to the bathroom, came back five minutes later, and that's how I found out.

[474] And then I waited for the rest of the world that had found out the night before to wake up.

[475] And yeah, it was...

[476] numbing it was numbing it's literally hey how do you talk to your kids about this i know we were making fun of that i've had people send me send me them recording their uh eight and ten year old talking about it see i thought about whether or not i would do that like nora does care and she knows luca and she's got a luca shirt but not enough to be really she was confused when she heard me talking about it with maybe you my jock daughter called me yeah i figure i recorded brooks see i was gonna say i didn't know if i wanted to if i would do the recording or not because i can promise you the boy if you were a couple years older would be crushed like everybody's boy was it's like god well and your daughter's quite logical i could imagine trying to explain it to her yeah you know like she because she always has good pointed questions like and i i bet you know nico should have talked to her yeah i mean it's it's true they they uh it's ironic because she is an autist and uh in looking at this move i had never occurred to me before but i thought boy nico harrison's gotta be on the spectrum because this is the sort of shit you do with absolutely no regard for context or the setting you're in or understanding like what's going on around you Which is sometimes how people in that situation roll.

[477] Let's say he's getting his marching orders from ownership.

[478] Because everything that he has said in his press conference and whatnot indicates this is all financial.

[479] Well, financial slash defense and believing in Luka long term.

[480] But, you know.

[481] If the financials was not involved in that, you would certainly hold on to Luka.

[482] Yeah, it's all related.

[483] The financials make Luka not worth it, and part of the reason Luka's not worth it is because of the way he plays and Anthony Davis plays a different way.

[484] So you were saying yesterday, perhaps, if Niko was told you have to trade this guy, that Niko should say no and resign?

[485] Honestly.

[486] I honestly think if you did that, you would then also send a message to the other teams that you don't want to hire this guy because he is not going to work for you as an owner.

[487] Yeah, he wouldn't work for Jerry Jones.

[488] He wouldn't work for maybe Jerry Jones, but I am not actually certain that, first of all, the guy could go back to Nike tomorrow.

[489] And I'm not actually certain that every team would look at that.

[490] I think some teams would look at that and respect him.

[491] Not all.

[492] But yes, I think the guy who's been around a basketball his entire life and has been on a team his whole life and worked in basketball culture and he was hired, I guess, or assumed by these faceless overlords who are like, you know, basketball seems good for families.

[493] They're just there to extract value.

[494] It's his job.

[495] To me. to respect the game, to respect the players, to respect the fan base.

[496] And he would have been a legend for the rest of his life if he would have said, I'm announcing my resignation from the Dallas Mavericks effective immediately.

[497] And then afterward, he goes and does an interview with Tim McMahon or whoever and says, that's just not something I'm willing to do.

[498] Doesn't happen a lot, but people do do that in jobs.

[499] And usually when they do it, it's because somebody above them who flew in, who has no fucking clue how things operate, tries to tell them to do something that they know is going to violate the trust that they have with their customer and their public.

[500] It does happen from time to time.

[501] Happens in the government from time to time.

[502] And those people are usually remembered as heroes.

[503] Remembered as heroes, the guy who, you know, turned in Jerry Sandusky as a hero, but also won't get hired anywhere.

[504] Dave Bliss.

[505] The guy who recorded Dave Bliss won't get hired by Mike Krzyzewski because he violated the trust.

[506] So now he can't get hired in the NBA.

[507] But if he makes this move and it fails, which it will, and it's a terrible move, he won't get hired in the NBA, you know?

[508] Yeah, good point.

[509] Unless it's part of a sleeper cell plan to get him to L .A. No, and I honestly, dude, I don't.

[510] The league conspiracy, we need a. We have a bunch of conspiracies we can go through.

[511] But I don't know.

[512] I don't know that every team would have just been like, look at the moves he's made.

[513] He's made good moves up to this point.

[514] Look at his resume.

[515] Ran for 2 ,000 yards.

[516] Spokesman for Hertz.

[517] That's on my mind because there's a new OJ documentary.

[518] Have you guys watched it?

[519] No. Dude, it's great.

[520] I've watched two episodes out of four.

[521] It is on Netflix.

[522] Is it American Manhunt or Most Famous Murder?

[523] I don't know.

[524] It's whatever was just released this weekend.

[525] Okay, American Manhunt.

[526] It's four episodes, hour, hour 15 each.

[527] The first two are incredible.

[528] It's, you know, you'll be thinking a lot about OJ too.

[529] But...

[530] Like, yeah, thinking about OJ and killing two people is like a nice respite from this terrible Luka tragedy that we're dealing with on a day -to -day basis.

[531] Like, I keep thinking, I keep wishing it wasn't real.

[532] You know, the Browns is a good analogy because one of the things that we were very upset with there was when it was just announced, it was just announced.

[533] This is a done deal.

[534] They are moving to Baltimore.

[535] Because we couldn't get a new stadium in Cleveland and the Indians got a new stadium and we need that.

[536] But you never gave a chance for the voters of Cleveland to put it on the ballot and say, either this or we're going to move.

[537] And we're going to vote to keep this team.

[538] You never really floated this out there.

[539] And based on their press conference yesterday, it was because he didn't want a tumultuous summer.

[540] Do you have that audio?

[541] I do.

[542] Pull that up if you can.

[543] Just the whole discussion of...

[544] Let's see here.

[545] This is, I think, was there a specific time or thing that made you conclude it was time to do the trade, I believe.

[546] Yeah, I think it wasn't really like a point.

[547] I think it was like, how do we make our team better?

[548] You know, there's some unique things about his contract that we had to pay attention to.

[549] You know, there's other teams that were loading up, you know, that he was going to have.

[550] He was going to be able to decide to make his own decision at some point of whether he wants to be here or not, whether we want to supermax him or not, or whether he wants to opt out.

[551] So I think we had to take all that into consideration.

[552] I feel like we got out in front of what could have been a tumultuous summer.

[553] Nico, did you have any indication from Hanmore's representation that he was going to opt out or not take the extension or anything like that?

[554] No, not at all.

[555] Not at all.

[556] Nothing verbally that would lead me to believe that.

[557] Whether we offered him a Supermax or not.

[558] Like, what do you mean?

[559] Yeah.

[560] And I guess that's the tell, right?

[561] Yes, we were.

[562] We were considering not offering the Supermax.

[563] We don't think we wanted to offer the Supermax.

[564] And then if you don't offer the Supermax, that becomes the whole story, that you're not offering Luka the Supermax.

[565] And then it becomes well -known that Luka can be had.

[566] But I think that's a better situation.

[567] I think that would be palatable.

[568] If you were a Mavs fan, you ended up losing Luka to L .A. or wherever.

[569] In the long run, you did lose Luka, but at least...

[570] You know, you're mad then at the owner for not offering the Supermax to keep this player, or at least it would become a topic.

[571] I don't know, man. Okay, so somebody just sent me this.

[572] A couple things, actually, we need to talk about.

[573] But one of them is from Bill Simmons' show today, which I guess just went up a little bit ago.

[574] He's got Kurt Goldsberry, who we've had on a couple of our shows before.

[575] Grantland, ESPN.

[576] He actually worked for the Spurs for a little bit.

[577] Great dude in the basketball space.

[578] And I have not listened to this yet, but I'm going to try to play.

[579] Do you think it'll play from Twitter, Blake?

[580] Yeah.

[581] It will not.

[582] Let's give it a sec here.

[583] Because he has some quotes in here that I think we're going to need to – because what we're doing now is we're going to get into the – shovel a little dirt on his grave on the way out, you know?

[584] So they started that with the conditioning.

[585] Okay, work on that for a second while I...

[586] I think this will work, I think.

[587] Yeah, and there's a week -long process.

[588] One of my sources inside the Lakers was indicating that the deal was bigger, and I think you guys were literally joking about this last night, that there were two firsts, and there was Dalton Connect.

[589] Okay, so let's start here.

[590] And the deal got whittled down.

[591] because I think Rob Palenka was able to convince the Dallas Mavericks that Luca is a lot of risk.

[592] You guys are right for trying to look at this this way because this guy, oh, he's drinking or whatever, his weight problem, whatever it is.

[593] So they were able to convince it.

[594] This was a weeks -long process.

[595] That's another thing that came out today is this wasn't, this was, and Dallas started it.

[596] Almost three and a half weeks.

[597] Dallas started it, dude.

[598] Okay, we'll listen to the rest of that, but here we go.

[599] Hey, guy drinks.

[600] He drinks a little beer.

[601] I don't care if he plays with a beer helmet on.

[602] If he's putting up 30.

[603] He's done what he's done.

[604] He's showing up to all the charity events.

[605] With this lifestyle, yeah.

[606] He's doing everything you ask him to do, and yet Nico is able to be swindled by the fake Rob Lowe.

[607] That like, yeah, I mean, I know he's in the finals, but don't you kind of get pissed off at him sometimes?

[608] LeBron doesn't do that.

[609] LeBron takes three naps a day, and he only has one glass of wine a month.

[610] I mean, we're probably the only team that could take him because maybe LeBron could help change him.

[611] Yeah, everybody else is just going to tell you what I'm telling you, which is that this guy's a busted fat drunk.

[612] How about don't even call anyone else?

[613] Yeah, and because he's a busted fat drunk.

[614] That's why I can only give you one of these two first, and Dalton Connect, who's a future all -star, I can't put him in the deal.

[615] Anthony Davis is still good for your fat, lazy, drunk liability, but I can't give you more than that.

[616] Sorry.

[617] Oh, I need a second.

[618] Can you send us a second?

[619] I'm going to call Utah and figure out if I can ship you a second.

[620] That's crazy, dude.

[621] If they're going to start that path, that's a fun.

[622] The fact that the Lakers held on to a number one.

[623] The Mavs couldn't hold on to any number ones when getting Kristaps or Kyrie.

[624] Yeah, and I don't think Cuban or Donnie would have been shipping you out if on the way to your all -NBA production you drink alcohol.

[625] And Kyrie was a very high -risk thought of at the time.

[626] Yeah.

[627] And that's part of the deal is that, you know, speaking of Cuban and Donnie, I don't know what to make of this because while I know people that work there and I'm somewhat around it, I don't know the inner workings of how Nico views things or whatever at all.

[628] But you do hear that he has a general aversion, Nico, to everything that came before him.

[629] And that makes sense.

[630] That's a new GM bit.

[631] That makes sense.

[632] Yeah.

[633] But never in a million years did I conceive of the idea that Nico thought of Luca as one of his rivals from the past regime.

[634] He's the reason that this is an attractive GM job.

[635] Because I can just build around this guy.

[636] Right.

[637] You know, my guess is if you had to step over from Nike and figure out what to do with Kyle Kuzma and Washington's roster.

[638] Nobody would think Nico's a good GM.

[639] He was able to become one on the job because he had Luka.

[640] So it's clear that in selling this narrative that, oh, the guy does, he's, dude, everybody's known the guy parties since he was 17 years old.

[641] It's kind of part of what makes it awesome.

[642] You know?

[643] It's kind of part of what makes it mean something to the city is that he doesn't look like LeBron.

[644] You know?

[645] He doesn't look like a freak show of an athlete.

[646] Phoenix.

[647] I'm just thinking of other, okay, so you know a guy's got to be traded, and he can only be traded to certain areas.

[648] You can't trade him to Utah.

[649] You can't trade him.

[650] Phoenix ended up trading four unprotected future first -round picks and a bunch of players, including Bridges, for Durant.

[651] Yeah, that's normal.

[652] Just saying, Luka Doncic, that was Kevin Durant at age 35?

[653] What was he?

[654] Around there.

[655] 25 -year -old Luka Doncic.

[656] The thought was, if you did ever trade him, the haul you could get.

[657] And like you're saying, the indication is that, well, he only wanted Anthony Davis.

[658] He really overrates Anthony Davis.

[659] Because of his personal relationship with Anthony Davis.

[660] And it's weird too, you know, Iztok pointed, I think it was Iztok who pointed this out.

[661] It's a full shift away from the way, you know, the Mavericks have always been a team that was heavy on the international front.

[662] Always.

[663] From the Nelsons, you know, through Dirk.

[664] This is about as big of a turn.

[665] towards the American AAU system in a two -year span that you could imagine.

[666] And that's the system that Nico came up with.

[667] That's Kyrie.

[668] That's PJ.

[669] That's Klay.

[670] That's Anthony Davis.

[671] Those are the guys.

[672] Those are just as purebred of American AAU -type hoopers as you can get.

[673] And that's the world he knows.

[674] My assumption was that he knew the general world of basketball as the general manager.

[675] So, what if they win a title?

[676] Well, the only way they're going to win a title is if Anthony Davis plays about the best basketball of his career.

[677] He's not that far away, actually, from doing that right now.

[678] He's got the most touches per game he's ever had in his career, close to the most shots, close to the most assists.

[679] He's a Defensive Player of the Year candidate.

[680] He would have to play the best basketball of his career for them to have a shot to win a title.

[681] And I guess if that happens, as I wrote this morning, Nico would be right.

[682] The problem is, I don't know if anybody's going to care.

[683] And that's the issue.

[684] Yeah.

[685] Even if this does turn out to where, I don't know, worst case scenario, Luke is out of the league in three or four years.

[686] Yeah, and Dallas is in a championship situation.

[687] Sure, they could win the next five.

[688] But it's not going to feel the same.

[689] And that's where you're right.

[690] place on the board for this, but where business and emotions don't mix.

[691] Because he could be right, and it still won't matter at all.

[692] It's like trading Dirk.

[693] I mean, I don't know.

[694] These kids and these fans who love Luka, that's why they love the Dallas Mavericks is because of this dude.

[695] Yeah, and on one hand, you could be like, all right, why don't you guys just quit being babies about it?

[696] Who cares?

[697] If they win, they win.

[698] But again, that is such a misunderstanding of where your profit comes from in pro sports.

[699] It isn't just winning.

[700] It's winning and feeling like there's a team in your city that you can support and be a part of and there's a connection.

[701] So even if you think that's gay, that's also how they make money.

[702] You know what I mean?

[703] Just view it from a pure business standpoint and don't think about emotion.

[704] That's how you make money is by having the city engaged in care.

[705] Think about Buffalo hasn't won anything in a long time at a high level, right?

[706] But their fans care.

[707] That's part of the agreement business -wise, and they just skipped over that part entirely.

[708] But I think that's even a placeholder to say I'm a Bills fan or I'm a Cowboys fan.

[709] That just means you love a collection of people.

[710] The time I was a Cowboys fan is because they had Des Bryant and Tony Romo, and I loved those people and the way that they played.

[711] So, yeah, trading your personality away, it's very easy to say, I don't like the Mavs anymore because they traded away the Mavs to me. Yeah, that's a good way to put it.

[712] I'm not real fired up to go to a game right now.

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[738] So my trade analogy of a trade that you wouldn't do, maybe for similar reasons, like you wouldn't do Giannis for Luka if you were Milwaukee, but you would never have done Kobe for Tim Duncan if you're the Lakers.

[739] Like you have this.

[740] You know, this guy.

[741] Right, even if you could splint and be like, Duncan probably helps us win more.

[742] Maybe a better overall player.

[743] Better two -way player, right?

[744] Certainly, you would say Anthony Davis, a better two -way player than Luka Doncic.

[745] Sure.

[746] Would you ever make the trade of Kobe for Tim Duncan?

[747] No, it's the same reason you wouldn't have traded Dirk for Shaq.

[748] Right.

[749] You know, I mean.

[750] But even at the time, you wouldn't have done it, and that was even early -ish in the Dirk story.

[751] No, you wouldn't.

[752] No one would, because people understand the dynamic.

[753] We just happen to have both lucked ourselves into one of the greatest, most exciting, fun -to -watch, aesthetically -pleasing basketball players to ever walk the face of the earth, while also lucking our way into one of the most arrogant...

[754] uh obtuse and disconnected general managers to also ever walk the face of the earth i wonder how i want to blame i wonder if you don't want to blame nico no i know because i i want to blame new ownership because i gotta think this does not absolutely does not happen with mark cuban oh no way no chance No chance.

[755] Mark Cuban is the NBA or has been for 20 years.

[756] And I feel like he would at least bring people in.

[757] He would ask Dirk.

[758] He would ask people around.

[759] Yeah, the reports are that nobody got asked.

[760] Probably not Finley.

[761] Nobody.

[762] Nobody who's around.

[763] Why do you employ them?

[764] I know.

[765] Why do you pay him?

[766] Why is Dirk on retainer at whatever?

[767] I'm sure he gets a nice.

[768] Yeah.

[769] Appreciate you being cool to us all these years.

[770] Taking less salary, we'll give you money now.

[771] He does.

[772] He was involved in hiring a kid.

[773] 500 grand a year.

[774] They both were.

[775] But they were also put in those positions by Mark Cuban.

[776] So I'm not even so sure that I would assume that Nico doesn't view Dirk as a bit of an enemy.

[777] At minimum, a little bit of a nuisance to his grand Nico vision.

[778] And he's going to be gone.

[779] He even said it yesterday.

[780] I mean, we can play that last little part.

[781] Nico views Dirk as an enemy.

[782] He's from the old regime.

[783] The old regime hired him.

[784] No, that's true.

[785] I mean, look, obviously, but there have been rumblings of Cuban being like, I had no idea they were going to sideline me quite to this degree.

[786] And what the league's told him about where he can and can't stand at games, I can almost guarantee you the league is getting that.

[787] Tug on the coat from Nico.

[788] Get this guy out of here.

[789] He's not really the owner.

[790] He's not really in charge of basketball.

[791] It just makes sense, right?

[792] It's ego.

[793] It's ego and dick measuring for Nico to be like, hey, this is my show.

[794] It's not the Cuban show.

[795] It's not the Donnie show.

[796] It's not the Luka show.

[797] It's not the Dirk or the Luka show.

[798] And I'm going to remind everyone of that.

[799] And he doesn't care about what happens to this team in this city five to ten years from now.

[800] He basically said as much.

[801] If you pair him with Kyrie and the rest of the guys, he fits right along with our time frame to win now and win in the future.

[802] And the future to me is three, four years from now.

[803] The future, ten years from now, I don't know.

[804] I don't think they probably bear me and Jay Budden.

[805] Or we bear ourselves.

[806] Hilarious.

[807] But he's 25, Luka is.

[808] And it's...

[809] Very real possibility he could have been playing here in close to 10 years.

[810] Very real.

[811] Again, had you supermaxed him, you could have been out on him by 30.

[812] What are we doing?

[813] We lost.

[814] We lost.

[815] It's so sad.

[816] It's truly sad.

[817] It's truly sad.

[818] I like to make fun of sports fans, especially when your team beats another team and they're real sad walking away and everything.

[819] But this is bigger than a Cowboys are 13 -3 but then lost in the first round of the playoffs.

[820] That's sad.

[821] But again, this is Browns leaving Cleveland sad.

[822] You don't recover from it.

[823] I like to do this game.

[824] Let's figure out a way in which you feel good about Mavericks basketball in the next 10 years.

[825] You feel as good about it as you did three days ago.

[826] You're going to have a tough time constructing that scenario for me. It probably involves them looking into another player who's almost as good as Luka is right now.

[827] The odds are very, very against you on that one.

[828] But that would have to happen.

[829] And that guy would have to take you to the finals.

[830] And you will have already had to experience final success under Anthony Davis.

[831] What is going to make you a Mavericks fan in 2035, if you thought about it right now?

[832] It's very hard for me to imagine.

[833] You just get over things, naturally.

[834] But as it sits right now, I feel for the players still on the roster.

[835] But can you get your fandom up to the level it was?

[836] You get over it, but would you ever be actually...

[837] Like, I got over the Browns leaving, but I've never been able to become a Browns fan.

[838] That's the thing right there.

[839] That's what I was about to ask.

[840] How did you feel when they came back?

[841] Yeah, that's not those players.

[842] You get over it, but you never get it back.

[843] No, but yeah, like I was saying, I feel for Kyrie, and I feel for Klay.

[844] They opted to come here to play with Luka.

[845] And now they're stuck here.

[846] And I feel for Anthony Davis.

[847] We didn't even talk about that part.

[848] How crazy it is that they have been working on the contours of this roster for the last two years to build it around Luka.

[849] Like, they just got Klay Thompson.

[850] Klay Thompson is here to play with Luka.

[851] Look at how it works whenever they don't play together.

[852] It's a real problem.

[853] Hey, let's talk.

[854] So...

[855] Six months ago, did they think Luka was too lazy, drunk, and injury -prone whenever they were adding pieces and they were building the best team around Luka that they had ever?

[856] There's a reason why they go get a guy like Spencer Dinwiddie because it's like, okay, on a team that's not very good, Dinwiddie gives you nothing.

[857] But if he's out here on a Mavs team that's close, like I said yesterday, it's like Saquon to the Eagles versus the Giants.

[858] He provides a lot more value.

[859] They have a ton of those guys that work with Luka.

[860] Derek Lively works better with Luka.

[861] They did all that.

[862] And then now, half a year later, sorry, we're changing course.

[863] You're right.

[864] They have to find the exact clone of Luka that's not Luka to fit the final mold here.

[865] With the bevy of first -round picks they currently have.

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[886] So much Mavs.

[887] So sad.

[888] I haven't even got to tell you guys about Meow Wolf.

[889] Haven't talked, haven't done a weekend check.

[890] You know, another thing too, the whole...

[891] Nobody knew about this, and this came out of nowhere.

[892] If they're trying to tell us that Anthony Davis didn't know anything about it, I don't buy any of that.

[893] There's no way that this trade goes down, and then Anthony Davis, for some reason, decides to waive his $6 million trade kicker.

[894] Just because he's cool?

[895] Because he's a nice guy?

[896] If this comes out of nowhere, hey, Anthony Davis, you've thought for a while you're...

[897] going to be the next face of the Lakers.

[898] LeBron's probably going to retire here in the next couple of years, and this will be your team.

[899] But now, all of a sudden, I'm going to blindside you.

[900] We're trading you.

[901] Oh, yeah.

[902] I know you're supposed to get $6 million.

[903] Would you just give that to us, though?

[904] I just don't want you to accept that.

[905] Yeah, it is a bit weird, but I think I buy the idea that, because he is signed up for a few years, so they could trade him.

[906] just about anywhere, and there's nothing he could do about it.

[907] I mean, if the team could comply cap -wise.

[908] So maybe it's a situation where they went to him and they're like, look, we're looking to move you.

[909] But we think Dallas would be a great spot for you, but the deal's only going to go through if you waive this.

[910] And he's like, you know, that's a better team.

[911] I'm still getting paid.

[912] Well, certainly talk to Nico, his buddy.

[913] Yeah.

[914] Yeah, that's how it originated.

[915] Yeah, I'm sure.

[916] They're really tight.

[917] Or to Rich Paul, who is his agent.

[918] And LeBron's agent, obviously.

[919] So, yeah, I don't know.

[920] I do think it's that Anthony Davis is saying, hey, I'm on board with this.

[921] Because it keeps the Mavericks from the luxury tax.

[922] Oh, well, that's good.

[923] I didn't think I'd have to worry about.

[924] I'd hate that.

[925] As it relates to Luka, anyways.

[926] All right, let's take a – we're live streaming today.

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[929] Come back.

[930] We'll talk to Iztak Franco, who actually was on a TV set with Luca's dad last night.

[931] So we'll hear how that went in a moment.

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[994] And we'll say hello to our good friend, old friend, Istak Franco, who is live in Slovenia.

[995] There he is, folks.

[996] What time we got in Slovenia?

[997] 7 .25 p .m. Oh, okay.

[998] Not too late.

[999] Not too late.

[1000] So, Iztok covers the Mavs for D Magazine.

[1001] And, you know, it's pretty easy to figure out the origin of how this all started.

[1002] My first question is, will you continue to cover the Mavericks?

[1003] Or are you going to work for LA Magazine now?

[1004] Actually, I started my whole sub -stack this year.

[1005] So it's a kind of flexible platform.

[1006] And everybody's asking, will your car the Lakers?

[1007] What will you do next?

[1008] And to be honest, I don't know.

[1009] I mean, I like Luca.

[1010] I like, but I also like Dallas.

[1011] I like Texas.

[1012] I get a lot of friends.

[1013] My whole audience is there.

[1014] So it's a little bit difficult to figure out at the moment.

[1015] Yeah, I'm sorry.

[1016] I forgot you have a Substack now.

[1017] We're on Substack too.

[1018] I don't know if you've seen the dumb zone on Substack.

[1019] We share a lot of subscribers, right?

[1020] I'm a subscriber.

[1021] So I read your stuff.

[1022] I look at your videos.

[1023] So it's cool.

[1024] So like I said, I think for a while I'll try to...

[1025] focus on big picture on the Mavs, Luka, some Lakers stuff.

[1026] We'll see, try to figure it out as we go.

[1027] It's a shock.

[1028] So that's probably for everybody.

[1029] I get so many people now, some new people subscribing, but also people unsubscribing saying, look, everything is gone.

[1030] I want to go.

[1031] You're great, but I want to watch the team anymore.

[1032] So that kind of sucks.

[1033] I think it's interesting, too, for someone like you who, if you don't mind me saying, you're one of the best basketball minds that I consume on a regular basis.

[1034] And you're very passionate about the game, the NBA, the love of the game, what it meant to you growing up, what it means to you now.

[1035] And then you get hit with a move like this.

[1036] I guess I should say, but you also provide very sober -minded, straightforward analysis.

[1037] And it's almost hard to do that for this move because that part of it comes so far after the vibes and the emotions of it, which typically is not what you write about.

[1038] So it's an interesting spot for an analyst of your ilk to be in.

[1039] Yeah, like I said, it's...

[1040] At the core, I think, even if you're an analyst, even if you want to be, like you said, more sober -minded, more analytical, more educational, but moments like this, I think, bring up you're still a fan, either of a player or a game.

[1041] And I think the moment that happened was like such a cold business move, or not even a business, or if it is a business, I think it was a bad business move, but it's just a cold move.

[1042] that seems to negate all the emotions and fans.

[1043] And I think then reminds me maybe that sometimes when you're really so into game -to -game stuff, I don't know, this year I did reviews and analysis of every Mavericks game, basically.

[1044] So it reminds you basically about the core, which is fandom and which is passion and people and the story of a player and following it up and seeing a guy or a team.

[1045] succeed, fall, start, all the things that we've seen with this team and Luka in the last, I don't know, six, seven years.

[1046] If you do evaluate this analytically, like player for player, player plus the assets that went each way, can you justify this trade as a good one for the Mavs?

[1047] I mean, analytically, if you evaluate, basically, Nico laid out it.

[1048] He looks at this as...

[1049] or the whole, his future and the future of the team looks in like three, four years terms.

[1050] And I think I would even shorten this based on the moves because you're betting on 32 -year -old Kyrie, which will be 33 in March and AD will be 32.

[1051] And then you have Klay with 35.

[1052] So I think you have one to two -year window to win the title.

[1053] And I would assume even if everything goes right.

[1054] the over -under on this title, I don't know, what is, zero and a half?

[1055] If they win one title, I think it would be a major success.

[1056] Does this title, even one hypothetical title, which I'm not, I would still take the field, the Celtic, the OKC, maybe even Cleveland, I would take over them at the moment.

[1057] I'm not saying it's not possible, but if you take one, this probable title over what you had with it.

[1058] what we discussed before, a homegrown kid who started your career, who was in the finals last year.

[1059] It's hard to evaluate it successfully, even in basketball terms.

[1060] I think Luka was the guy who brought you to the finals.

[1061] And a lot was talk about defense, about all the flaws that Luka had.

[1062] But if you look at the finals, the first two games, he was the only guy who wasn't scared.

[1063] Everybody else was scared the shit out of Celtics.

[1064] I think it was clear that They needed something else, but I don't think in these first two games that Luka was the problem, that it couldn't take you over the top.

[1065] He was the only guy who scored, I don't know, 1 -1 against Dayton, against Drew Holiday, so that is a little bit weird to me. Yeah, and it's not just evaluating their chances now over the next year and a half against the field, it's evaluating those chances against the field and against the team they had in place that was already very competitive.

[1066] So you'd really have to be just blown away improving your chances this year and next to forego three, four, five years from now in which we assume that Luka will be what we think he's going to be.

[1067] And, you know, I guess there's a chance he's not.

[1068] And I guess there's a chance it is some sort of medical issue or that his conditioning never improves and doesn't follow, I don't know, the normal human curve of caring about that more in the back half of your 20s.

[1069] It's a massive, massive gamble.

[1070] And like we said, you spent yesterday doing TV with, among others on the panel, Luca's father.

[1071] And that quote that he had went viral.

[1072] This is a level of betrayal.

[1073] It's a level of hypocrisy.

[1074] Luca's done everything right for the city.

[1075] He wanted to be there his whole career.

[1076] So I guess I'm just going to give you free reign to sort of add color to anything else.

[1077] that the Pops might have added, and maybe also just speak on where the country is right now.

[1078] I mean, the country in general, they're getting over it much quicker than every expense, I would say.

[1079] They don't have a choice to make.

[1080] They just, now our games are on at a different time.

[1081] And in other words, I think they don't follow, I don't think general Slovenian doesn't follow the NBA as deeply as we do, so they see the freaking Lakers.

[1082] I mean, it's...

[1083] it's the brand yeah as much as i love the marix it's like we were making this comparison studio and lucas kind of used to it because he he played for the similar brand in europe which is real madrid this is the lakers of the europe you know it's the pressure it's the luxury it's the uh it's everything it's they win all the time it's very similar so there are kind of people are kind of used to him to see him on the best team i think it was more unusual when he went at the beginning of his career when he ended up in Dallas.

[1084] But I think, like you said, for Luka's dad, I think, and that was in the clip, he was just offended that they were so blindfolded.

[1085] So it just came out of nowhere.

[1086] And not to mention, and he didn't even talk about that, how much it cost him financially.

[1087] He lost, I think, Luka 100 million dollars in this.

[1088] because he's not signing now the Supermax.

[1089] But you saw even Giannis talking today about it.

[1090] You saw KD talking about it.

[1091] A lot of this is about, and a lot of talk all the time.

[1092] I think Luka was one of the key questions in his preseason interview was, is there any, should fans be afraid that he won't sign up in Dallas?

[1093] And it's always about the player.

[1094] And then all of a sudden, it's the team that makes a move, like a business move.

[1095] And I think this is why, Luca's father was offended, but he made it clear that it's directed to one person.

[1096] Luca, he loved the city, he loved the organization, he loved the fans especially, and I think he generally loved being in Dallas.

[1097] It feels like the only thing that makes sense is that its ownership didn't want to pay that, you said it would be an extra $100 million overall.

[1098] And that would put them into the luxury tax and that they didn't get into this to do that.

[1099] That's the only justification I can make for this whole thing.

[1100] I think it's also the timing.

[1101] Because I listened a little bit to your prior show and I read that the whole logic of Nico was, and you see, and he admitted that and everybody admitted that.

[1102] He talked only to Pelita and he talked only about AD.

[1103] So if you want AD and you go back to the timeline that we taught.

[1104] You want this year, these playoffs, because nobody knows how many more Kyrie and AD have.

[1105] So you cannot afford to leave, you know, to skip this year's playoffs and wait for the summer because the best business move, the best transaction would be for, even if you want to move on from Luka, wait for the summer, sign into Supermax and then trade.

[1106] Because that would be, that's how you get the best haul because the team that's getting him is getting Supermax and you can really get the best return.

[1107] But I think they wanted it now because they think they can compete with AD and Kyrie.

[1108] And I did, at the beginning of the season, I did projection for Kyrie, how long his peak will last.

[1109] And best case scenario could be two, three years.

[1110] But even if it's three years, you cannot just scrap one away.

[1111] Although you would still have Luka in my mind.

[1112] That's the logic that's a little bit fraught in this.

[1113] But I think they wanted...

[1114] AD, and they want that in this season for these playoffs.

[1115] If they make it, which still will be a tough fight.

[1116] Yeah, and I don't know if you saw this while we were waiting to have you on, but Kirk Goldsberry was on with Simmons today.

[1117] And in addition to the, you know, I don't know exactly where the Tim McMahon reporting came that the Mavericks had grown tired of Luka's approach to fitness and conditioning.

[1118] Now we have Kirk Goldsberry, who worked in the league, is very plugged in, saying they had grown concerned about not just his diet but his drinking.

[1119] That just seems like a really odd one to throw in there to me. I mean, I remember whenever he was going to be drafted or the run -up to the draft, he was 18, and you would hear from people like, this guy likes to party.

[1120] And I'm like, the guy who lives in Madrid at 18 and is one of the most famous guys in the city?

[1121] It doesn't seem that shocking to me. You know, it's a different culture.

[1122] Over there, perhaps.

[1123] It's obvious, yeah, the guy wants to go have some beers and he's going to enjoy himself in the offseason, but it feels like very nasty work to me to be bringing all this stuff up now.

[1124] It makes me a shame to be a Mavericks fan.

[1125] Somebody is giving that info to Kirk Goldsberry.

[1126] I know the guy's not a saint, but were you aware that there was some huge problem here and friction between his people and the Mavericks, meaning his training staff?

[1127] and dietitian because this just seems like it came out of nowhere no i think it was shams who reported about this friction also today or yesterday about friction about mass training set and i wrote a little bit about it i think yeah it's you can see that basically they removed or removed or people left everybody who was really close to luca in the last three three years right so all the people from casey smith to Scott Tomlin, to Igor Kokoschko, to the players that were the closest with him, everybody's gone, right?

[1128] So I think his training staff, the two guys from Slovenia and the Spanish guy, I think were the only people, let's say, in the Luka circle who were still left in the organization.

[1129] And he basically was the only guy who was not brought by...

[1130] Nico under his regime.

[1131] So basically, I think that's why I use the phrase about ego and how ego is the enemy.

[1132] I think I see this whole thing from outside kind of, look, I build this thing and I want to build my way.

[1133] Because going back to the lifestyle in your comments, I think there are always some things about that.

[1134] And a lot of things, even if you talk to most people, they would mention it sometimes.

[1135] But it's also, I think what they mentioned in the past is how Luka is really, how everybody is afraid of Luka.

[1136] But I'm not saying because he's so scary, but because he's such a big persona.

[1137] And how everybody liked LeBron in LA.

[1138] And every big superstar, I would assume Jokic in Denver.

[1139] Everything, the whole organization evolves around them.

[1140] And I think they didn't like that.

[1141] I think they didn't like to be that.

[1142] There is the biggest author in the organization who is, like the offense, heliocentric.

[1143] So the organization is very heliocentric and turns around him.

[1144] Man. Yeah, because typically, I guess to follow up on that, where you run into a problem is when a guy that, not just on the floor, but culturally everything is centered around, you run into a problem when that guy wants out.

[1145] And that can be a problem.

[1146] They can hold you hostage.

[1147] But that wasn't occurring.

[1148] They had dodged the bullet.

[1149] We had made it to a point where Luka had already signed a second contract, indicated he wanted to sign a third.

[1150] They were getting lucky over and over again, not just to get him, but for him to want to stay.

[1151] And you get lucky enough to build your whole program around a guy like that.

[1152] So to your point, I...

[1153] Other than, hey, I want to be the guy in charge, meaning Nico over Luka, I'm not sure there's a better explanation than that, but that one is very sad.

[1154] Yeah, and the way he came in...

[1155] I'm sorry, go ahead.

[1156] I didn't even understand that, I think.

[1157] If they said, okay, we don't trust Luka as the guy, we have concerns about him, but you trade that for...

[1158] one, two good years of Anthony Davis, who has never proven he can, or Kyrie at that point, that they can lead the lead guys into a championship.

[1159] I don't know.

[1160] If you do that move, then you probably, like you said, and like everybody, the whole NBA, you go on the market and you get whatever you want.

[1161] Because obviously there are teams that will give you that.

[1162] But they wanted this one, two -year window, which to me is the What was his dad like yesterday?

[1163] I think his dad is always the same.

[1164] He's not a guy that, let's say, would stress a lot about things.

[1165] He's very easygoing.

[1166] I think that was why he was really serious.

[1167] He said, look, the only thing that bothers me is how they did the whole thing.

[1168] was done.

[1169] It's not anything else, I think.

[1170] And this is, like I said, I think that even the NBA players noticed, you know, like I said, Giannis, KD.

[1171] And this, I think, is something that maybe it's something that long -term can hurt the Mavericks.

[1172] That's an understatement.

[1173] Let's, Clay says he's got a, Luca has put out a video.

[1174] all right incredible production but also uh i don't know man when i saw him sitting on the paint on the plane with rob fake low palinka i had to just i shut the laptop like i can't because i it looked like i read i'm reading way too much into it and i'm looking at luca's face on the Lakers plane as he's just kind of still bleary -eyed and coming to.

[1175] And in my mind, projecting onto him, I'm imagining him sitting there being like, you motherfuckers have no idea what I'm about to do.

[1176] The huge winner in all this is Luka.

[1177] You do not know how bad I'm going to make this hurt for everyone.

[1178] Luka's the big winner, though.

[1179] He doesn't have to.

[1180] He's now sympathetic.

[1181] Yeah.

[1182] A sympathetic figure.

[1183] He played a good soldier.

[1184] He lost a bunch of money in the process.

[1185] Yeah, didn't make any complaints or moans or grumbles.

[1186] He was never the guy begging out.

[1187] Yeah.

[1188] Never any indication.

[1189] Always the greatest teammate.

[1190] In fact, that's another thing.

[1191] Don't you know a bunch of people, and you do too, his talk, like within the Mavs organization.

[1192] And we'll hear things.

[1193] Like if a guy is kind of no good, even when he's there.

[1194] Like we were hearing about Christian Wood early on.

[1195] It's like, ah.

[1196] And that bothered me because I like Christian Wood.

[1197] But.

[1198] You know, you'll hear things about certain guys.

[1199] Oh, this guy's an a -hole.

[1200] When Kyrie was in Cleveland, I got friends that work for the Cavs, and he is a different person now.

[1201] He was an a -hole in Cleveland.

[1202] He was young.

[1203] He was immature.

[1204] I've never heard anything like, have you guys about Luka?

[1205] Like behind the scenes.

[1206] And that's, I think that's the neglected part that people don't, I think, often think about when they think about him.

[1207] I think, yeah, the conditioning, the thing that's the most obvious.

[1208] I think the thing with Luka on everything is that his flaws and his things that he's good at are very obvious.

[1209] But I think some things like he always plays hurt.

[1210] He always wants to play.

[1211] He has the passion for the game.

[1212] And this is a little bit different, like you said, with a guy like Kyrie and AD.

[1213] That's why they play the same amount of games, basically.

[1214] And one guy is always out of shape and the two guys are...

[1215] He plays like the best professional because Luka always wants to play and sometimes even to his fault, you know.

[1216] So, yeah, I agree.

[1217] It's the same here on the Slovenian national team.

[1218] Nobody, they would complain about how he behaves on the court when he's passionate about the refs, how competitive he is in scrimmages and things like that.

[1219] But then, as soon as he's done, he's like a very shy and very, let's say, laid -back person.

[1220] It's easy going, yeah.

[1221] Well, I don't know what you have planned over the next couple of months, but I would like to welcome you to Dallas, to Texas, to the States for April 9th because it is my goal to have the entire arena on Wednesday night, April 9th.

[1222] in Mavs, Luka, or excuse me, Lakers, Luka, jerseys at the American Airlines Center.

[1223] I swear to God, dude, if we have an ounce of pride as a fan base, if you don't want to do it because you're just Mavs all the way, I get it.

[1224] Sit this one out.

[1225] I think we all need to show up to that game in Lakers gear and be as loud as you've ever been for Luka ever.

[1226] That would be a law court of the Slovenian night that I think it's summer.

[1227] With our Slovenia Tourist Organization.

[1228] That's planned for the end of March, I think.

[1229] Let's do it.

[1230] There are some official sponsors of the Dallas Mavericks.

[1231] I think I can get your same connections there.

[1232] Maybe they can sign Mike Tobi to attendee.

[1233] The Slovenian national team member from, I believe, Virginia.

[1234] Get him in the mix.

[1235] Oh, man. Yeah.

[1236] I think that's what we need.

[1237] You know, you saw people – somebody took a coffin to the front of the AAC.

[1238] Yeah, did you see all the protests at the stadium?

[1239] I was proud of us for that.

[1240] Or at the arena?

[1241] I was proud of us for that.

[1242] That felt good.

[1243] Well, I read your stuff every single morning.

[1244] I would suggest those out there who want to learn a little something about the Mavs or the NBA.

[1245] It's just – it's a great read every day.

[1246] Dig in basketball.

[1247] Just search Is Talking Substack.

[1248] Yeah, we'll figure this out together, my man. Thank you.

[1249] All right, there he goes.

[1250] It's Talk Franco, D Magazine, and his own invaluable substack.

[1251] Yeah, he's one of the first people I thought about.

[1252] It's like, well, what's he going to do?

[1253] I'm serious, dude.

[1254] Yeah, no, we're losing him too.

[1255] So as soon as – He's going to follow Luca.

[1256] That's why you said the country.

[1257] Yeah, I bet the country.

[1258] They're probably fired up.

[1259] That was a bad question.

[1260] Like, oh, yeah, he should work for the – he should be on the Yankees.

[1261] He should be on the Lakers.

[1262] He's Luca.

[1263] He's too big for wherever we are.

[1264] We're not middle America.

[1265] I don't know what we are, but we're – Yeah, no, we're not a premier.

[1266] You can go to a game on April 9th at the AAC where the Mavericks are hosting the Raptors for $30.

[1267] You will not – currently be getting in on the lakers night which it's always a big night but uh for less than 300 and i am going to i was already planning on buying tickets to a couple games before the end of the year and then my requisite playoff trip with blake i'm gonna buy us two tickets to that game and we are gonna go in lakers gear and everyone else should do the same And I bet you...

[1268] How much can you get in for?

[1269] Well, right now it's like $300.

[1270] Okay.

[1271] Each.

[1272] You're just guessing you'll be able to get them cheaper?

[1273] That or that'll just be the one game I go to.

[1274] Instead of going to two regular season games and a playoff game, my playoff game will be...

[1275] And I'm sure Nico won't be there.

[1276] I'm sure.

[1277] But I'd love if it were a moment like when the owner of the Warriors, before the Warriors got good, they had just traded someone.

[1278] Someone big.

[1279] And he went out to center court to, like, honor Chris Mullen.

[1280] He got booed off the floor.

[1281] I would imagine.

[1282] That's what I want.

[1283] I want the Mavs to play the Lakers in a playoff series.

[1284] That would be amazing.

[1285] Because I would root for the Lakers.

[1286] I think I would, too.

[1287] At least for, yeah.

[1288] Yeah.

[1289] Yeah.

[1290] Yeah.

[1291] All right, well.

[1292] I'm crushed.

[1293] I bet we talk about this again tomorrow.

[1294] Yeah, this is terrible.

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[1326] So, we can see what we did this weekend.

[1327] You want me to lead it off?

[1328] Well, mine's kind of boring.

[1329] I always have a boring one.

[1330] I was a victim of sexism at Central Market.

[1331] Do tell.

[1332] Just in line, and the lady, I didn't find Xander, my cashier.

[1333] In fact, I went Friday night.

[1334] This is how I like to party.

[1335] So if wife is doing book club or something, or something on a Friday night.

[1336] I'd be like, this is a perfect time to go grocery shopping for next week.

[1337] I honestly - Because I usually wait until Saturday and it's packed.

[1338] Oh, I definitely identify.

[1339] I get a little bit - The only downside of, hey, book club, wife going to dinner, I get a little paralysis by analysis.

[1340] I'm like, I could do so much shit.

[1341] Like, what could I - Right.

[1342] And you do nothing, which is great.

[1343] I could organize these photos.

[1344] I could go to the grocery store.

[1345] I could vacuum.

[1346] It's so great, all those things that you can do.

[1347] It really is.

[1348] But I went to Central Market to get my stuff for the weekend or for the entire week.

[1349] And I had the lady cashier and then the lady bagger were having a discussion about football.

[1350] And they couldn't decide if they thought the Super Bowl was probably this Sunday.

[1351] And then they said to me, when's the Super Bowl?

[1352] Is it this weekend?

[1353] And that's where I could...

[1354] confidently be like, this is my wheelhouse.

[1355] Yeah.

[1356] I know you guys know you're looking at an alpha, manly man. Absolutely, I know that it's next Sunday.

[1357] Matter of fact, having a couple people over.

[1358] That's right.

[1359] Doing a live stream.

[1360] Do you invite them?

[1361] You ever hear of YouTube?

[1362] Oh, really?

[1363] Where do you broadcast?

[1364] Oh, I don't know.

[1365] You ever hear of the world?

[1366] Yeah.

[1367] That's where we broadcast.

[1368] Uh -huh.

[1369] Yeah, so everything's...

[1370] Let's see.

[1371] Oh!

[1372] And this is all, like, before we wake up Sunday morning.

[1373] Is it Sunday morning?

[1374] Oh, yeah.

[1375] It's a long day.

[1376] I texted Dan at 4 a .m. and said, call me when you wake up.

[1377] Long day.

[1378] So it must have been Saturday night, or maybe it was Friday night, but we're taking the dogs on a walk, and it's starting to get dark out.

[1379] And my wife is going nuts.

[1380] She's like, what's that big bright star?

[1381] It's right by the moon.

[1382] There was like the crescent moon.

[1383] It's Mac Tonight moon.

[1384] And then the really bright star.

[1385] And I'm like, that's a plane.

[1386] She's like, it's not moving.

[1387] And then she's just standing there.

[1388] The dog's tugging her like she wants it.

[1389] She's going to get to the bottom of this?

[1390] Yeah, she's like, wait, look at that one over there.

[1391] And she goes, I swear there's something going on.

[1392] And I'm like, yeah, whatever.

[1393] You always can see stars.

[1394] Well, anyway, she went in and did a little research, Aaron Rodgers style, like Google.

[1395] And apparently there's some kind of a celestial event, a little planetary.

[1396] And you didn't know about this?

[1397] We could see like three or four planets.

[1398] Did you not hit allowed notifications?

[1399] We could see Venus.

[1400] On space .com?

[1401] You could actually see Venus with the naked eye, which.

[1402] All eyes are kind of like that, right?

[1403] You've never seen an eye with a sweater on.

[1404] A formal?

[1405] You can wear glasses.

[1406] You can't roast your eyes fit.

[1407] Well, I mean, I think the naked eye would go with you wearing your glasses too, right?

[1408] No. Okay.

[1409] Hey, whatever you two are doing right now, stop.

[1410] I don't like it.

[1411] Why can't we have a conversation?

[1412] I don't like that at all.

[1413] Cut that off.

[1414] Strike naked eye from the record.

[1415] That didn't happen.

[1416] And then Saturday, this is all Saturday because all hell broke loose on Saturday.

[1417] Well, I mean, I think we need the conclusion to the story after you guys noticed that this was such a unique celestial event.

[1418] Did you go in and smash?

[1419] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[1420] I'm like, I'll give you a...

[1421] Because I know that's what gets them going, the moon.

[1422] I'll give you Neptune.

[1423] Yeah, I'll give you a Saturn's ring right here.

[1424] Yeah, Uranus is right there.

[1425] Yeah, Uranus is sitting right there.

[1426] Dude, I swear.

[1427] I swear.

[1428] I'll travel to Uranus.

[1429] Look, can you say what you want about me?

[1430] I've never been a Uranus joke guy.

[1431] Yeah.

[1432] Just not my thing.

[1433] No, too low.

[1434] I know.

[1435] Even as a child.

[1436] Come on, guys.

[1437] That being said, daughter had a lot of questions about it last week, and I was dying laughing.

[1438] It's like, what do you mean it's not a planet?

[1439] What happened to Uranus?

[1440] And I'm like, say it again.

[1441] What did happen?

[1442] I think Uranus is a planet.

[1443] Pluto's not, right?

[1444] Oh, that might have been.

[1445] Somehow we were talking about Uranus.

[1446] Pluto, yeah.

[1447] They cut Pluto from the team.

[1448] And then, but Saturday also, it was the day we did unload the whole...

[1449] Closet.

[1450] Closet, or the attic, I guess it would be.

[1451] What do you call it in the den?

[1452] I don't know.

[1453] It's like attic space.

[1454] Yeah.

[1455] It's storage, but we totally unloaded it, you know, pared down.

[1456] We had like four bins for Easter decorations.

[1457] We pared that down to two.

[1458] We pared down the Halloween bins from three to two.

[1459] We pared down the Christmas bins from 15 to 12.

[1460] Solid.

[1461] So it really felt really good about things.

[1462] I love what I'm doing.

[1463] Because you came in yesterday and still had some remnants of that lying around.

[1464] We're trying to get ready for Super Bowl.

[1465] And if you're not feeling squared away by that, because everything's like behind the scenes, like I have to open that closet to actually feel good and nod.

[1466] Wash all the sheets and comforters.

[1467] And man, what a night.

[1468] Wow.

[1469] What a night of sleeping that night was.

[1470] Damn, that's good.

[1471] Don't you feel real squared away when you wash everything?

[1472] Yeah, of course.

[1473] Yeah.

[1474] Well, like Jake mentioned, had a pretty big Argyle basketball doubleheader Friday night.

[1475] The Lady Eagles lost for the first time in their new arena.

[1476] They have a new arena?

[1477] Built it in 2020.

[1478] Wow.

[1479] So I think they had started 42 -0 there.

[1480] Damn.

[1481] In first loss.

[1482] We'll hear that audio tomorrow, by the way.

[1483] Great.

[1484] So that was Friday night.

[1485] Had a real squared away Saturday.

[1486] Jake, you mentioned vacuuming and did a little mopping.

[1487] Did some vacuuming.

[1488] Straightened it up.

[1489] Love a mop.

[1490] Love a mop.

[1491] Got the, boy, I'm going to sound dumb, on your stovetop.

[1492] Take those little black things off.

[1493] Great.

[1494] Scrub underneath.

[1495] Who's got it better?

[1496] Kitchen was pristine.

[1497] On Saturday before I went to the grand opening of the Cane Rosso in Saxe.

[1498] Oh, yeah.

[1499] I did look at that location and thought Blake will be at this with a Tupperware.

[1500] It's right by his house.

[1501] He's hitting this hard.

[1502] No doubt.

[1503] You didn't go to the one in Lake Highlands, right?

[1504] I did.

[1505] Oh, you did?

[1506] Yeah, I like to support our friend Jay.

[1507] Okay, I didn't see you there.

[1508] No matter where he opens up a restaurant.

[1509] I guess you went late.

[1510] I wanted to be one of the first.

[1511] Yeah.

[1512] I know you're thinking of a comeback there.

[1513] I don't really have a comeback.

[1514] As much as I love Jay, I love pizza, I just love my family.

[1515] I guess you got a lot to pay them back for since you left for a month.

[1516] Fuck you.

[1517] Took my 92 -year -old grandpa.

[1518] We had some pizza on Saturday night.

[1519] Oh.

[1520] Did you tell him you'd give him up for Luca?

[1521] No, because it hadn't happened yet.

[1522] Oh, okay.

[1523] That's right.

[1524] I think if I took...

[1525] Like, Connery Rosso's probably, it's probably my favorite pizza in the city.

[1526] But I'm pretty sure if I took my grandfather there, he would be like, what is this?

[1527] Yeah, I got a pizza.

[1528] Honey?

[1529] Like, he'd be like, this is lib pizza.

[1530] This is.

[1531] I got a pizza with a. Woke pizza.

[1532] Yeah, for sure.

[1533] I got a pizza with arugula on it, and I'm pretty sure he wanted to call me the F slave.

[1534] Yeah, no. Again.

[1535] Arugula.

[1536] Yeah.

[1537] You knew it was coming, Clayton.

[1538] First chance to see the new SSG roster this weekend as we had a Halo online tournament on Sunday.

[1539] That was really neat to see the boys in action.

[1540] He told me he's traveling.

[1541] I thought about it.

[1542] That road map they got leaked was false.

[1543] Oh.

[1544] There is going to be two tournaments here in Dallas that I will be at, both of them.

[1545] And then I recorded Brooks.

[1546] I told him that Luka got traded.

[1547] And the Mavs kind of are...

[1548] Bedroom routine when he's not ready to go to bed.

[1549] He sees me watching the game.

[1550] He's been all of a sudden into basketball He can pick out Luca.

[1551] He knows Kyrie.

[1552] We went to the game.

[1553] He loved it He's somewhat familiar with what's going on and so I hit record and I told him the bad news and Here's my three -year -old's reaction to Luca getting traded.

[1554] Hey Brooks Guess what?

[1555] Luca is gonna play for another team now Is he going to play?

[1556] He's going to play for the yellow team.

[1557] I don't want him in the yellow team.

[1558] I want him in the blue team.

[1559] I know, but he's going to play with LeBron.

[1560] I don't want him playing.

[1561] Do you like him playing here?

[1562] Yeah.

[1563] Do you still like him?

[1564] Mm -hmm.

[1565] I want the blue.

[1566] Do you want to cheer for the yellow team now?

[1567] No. You still like the blue team?

[1568] Hell yeah.

[1569] Yeah.

[1570] You still like Kyrie?

[1571] Because blue.

[1572] I know, but he doesn't play for the blue team anymore.

[1573] Why?

[1574] Because he got traded.

[1575] Why he got traded?

[1576] Because they said he got fat.

[1577] Why he got fat?

[1578] I don't know why he got fat.

[1579] Let me start playing the why game.

[1580] Every question or everything.

[1581] That was tough.

[1582] He just wants Luka to be on the blue team.

[1583] That's tough.

[1584] That hurt.

[1585] I think he echoed the sentiments of many people here in Dallas.

[1586] I did some level of squared away -edness.

[1587] With the help of my stepdad, I unloaded a huge storage pod that I could finally stop paying for in the front of my house.

[1588] I like to have a nice, I think 90 minutes is a good amount of physical work on a Saturday.

[1589] Anything beyond that, you're like, what am I spending all day doing this?

[1590] You know what I mean?

[1591] You look at your day and you're like, oh Jesus, I got a day?

[1592] But I said, hey, this is going to take us 90 minutes.

[1593] And that's what it took.

[1594] Burned some cows.

[1595] I'll bet stepdad loves a little physical work on a Saturday.

[1596] Oh, he's about it for anything, really.

[1597] Yeah.

[1598] Yeah, he's man -man.

[1599] Is he the kind of guy that would help you build your own fence?

[1600] Sure, and has done so on more than one occasion.

[1601] But my Friday night, we went to dinner with friends, just one of our couple's birthday party.

[1602] Just went to have a nice little Italian dinner, and then we went to the Meow Wolf location.

[1603] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[1604] Did you get some cold bread?

[1605] At Grapevine Mills.

[1606] I did not really get to the bottom of the cold bread situation when we looked at the menu.

[1607] They do serve alcohol, and they serve crazy, zany, fizzy drinks.

[1608] Here's the thing.

[1609] I didn't really know what this was going in.

[1610] I knew that it was reported as a big deal.

[1611] when Grapevine got one.

[1612] It is actually at Grapevine Mills Mall in a former, I don't know, a TJ Maxx or something.

[1613] It's basically an art installation, an art piece.

[1614] It started in Santa Fe.

[1615] They have a couple of other ones throughout the country.

[1616] They're all different, and it's just done by this ever -evolving collective of artists that just do cool street art. And the one in Grapevine...

[1617] It's kind of like a modern take on a fun house.

[1618] Like you'd have at the fair or whatever where there's mirrors everywhere.

[1619] I don't really know how to explain to you what I experienced other than this.

[1620] Let's leave aside what I did, didn't, didn't consume and when I did consume or didn't consume it.

[1621] You could walk into this place totally stone sober and they have recreated what it feels like to be on mushrooms.

[1622] Based on sound, based on light, based on the layout of the place, based on changes in elevation.

[1623] I'm just going to speak to Dan on this.

[1624] You know when you're on Mushrooms, things get kind of wavy?

[1625] It's like that.

[1626] You're in a house and then you're outside and now you're in some weird Tron looking setting.

[1627] It's bonkers.

[1628] Is this a permanent place?

[1629] Yeah.

[1630] Okay.

[1631] You can go, I mean.

[1632] It's not like the ice sculpture.

[1633] No, it's been there since the summer of 23.

[1634] I think it's $40 to get in, but you could find coupons.

[1635] And we spent about two hours in there.

[1636] They kind of give you a little prompt at the beginning of, hey, here's what's happening here.

[1637] Look for this.

[1638] Look for that.

[1639] But there's really nothing to look for.

[1640] The point is you go into this setting, this space, and just walk around and make of it what you will for a couple hours.

[1641] So if you are on some kind of a hallucinogenic, it's going to be totally great.

[1642] And even if you're not, it's great.

[1643] I think so.

[1644] I think if you were just into the confusing way in which your mind works and art, which I wouldn't say I'm like a big art guy, but you walk in there and you're just overwhelmed with like, damn, this is cool.

[1645] Everything about this is cool.

[1646] And it's kind of weird, creepy.

[1647] It's got like 1 % Tim Burton.

[1648] But as you know, I'm very anti -Tim Burton, so I can't get too much Timmy B in there.

[1649] But it's worth your time.

[1650] I don't know that I would go back because I don't know the point of that.

[1651] I kind of get it.

[1652] But it's just a place to go get lost.

[1653] So it's not the dinner place.

[1654] No. Okay, you went to dinner, but then you went there.

[1655] Yeah.

[1656] How much does it cost?

[1657] Like I said, I think it was $40 or $50, but you can get a...

[1658] i think you can get like group packages and groupons and the like and yeah you know i was with a couple buddies who maybe on its surface are not like the most hippy dippy types to the extent that i am and they were just like what are we doing what am i supposed to be doing what's the point of this okay now i'm paring down what are we doing i thought you went with and uh and the guy who's working there is like man you just figure it out Just be, bro.

[1659] And that's really what it is.

[1660] You're going to spend the first 15 or 20 minutes, like being on drugs, just wondering, what am I doing?

[1661] What am I supposed to do here?

[1662] What is the point of this?

[1663] And then eventually your brain settles in on the idea, the point of it is for me to just be here.

[1664] Man. I think you'd really like it.

[1665] Is it open all day?

[1666] Or is it like an evening thing?

[1667] No idea.

[1668] My guess, available online.

[1669] You're telling me look it up on my phone.

[1670] But I'm also telling you I think you'd really like it.

[1671] Okay.

[1672] I don't think Blake would.

[1673] Huh.

[1674] I think Blake would want to shove it in a locker and tell it to die its blue hair back, get a colored shirt.

[1675] I enjoyed it quite a bit, though.

[1676] And also, I'm here to report that I now feel bad about my weekend Brahms trip.

[1677] Because your friend made me feel like that's basically the same as drinking.

[1678] Oh.

[1679] Just because it's simply something that provides a dopamine hit, which is all anybody's ever trying to do.

[1680] It's about managing the degree in which you engage in those dopamine hits.

[1681] But your guy.

[1682] Now, it doesn't mean you didn't go.

[1683] No, but I did feel bad.

[1684] You just felt bad.

[1685] I did feel bad about it.

[1686] Okay.

[1687] Good.

[1688] I mean, I'm not good that you felt bad.

[1689] But other than that, I just spent the weekend being sad about basketball.

[1690] It felt like a breakup Sunday.

[1691] Yeah.

[1692] Try to do something to take it off your mind and then 10 minutes in you think about it.

[1693] I caught myself just kind of staring into space with the family a few times and even got called out on it.

[1694] Just like you're thinking about it.

[1695] I've just had in my mind that the next decade we're going to have this awesome thing here.

[1696] Like I wouldn't even allow myself to think that something could go awry that he would want to leave at some point for some reason.

[1697] Oh, I had certainly entertained the idea that After about eight years, maybe he'd say, look, I'm just not feeling the vibes here and move on, on his own.

[1698] But as far as never considered, no, never in a billion years did I consider they would be the ones to break up with him.

[1699] That had never entered the chat.

[1700] I was going to his Instagram and Twitter, just refreshing.

[1701] Has he posted yet?

[1702] Is he thinking about me?

[1703] I'm going to look up.

[1704] I'm going to do a – my research project tonight is going to be worst trades of all time.

[1705] Yeah, you said worst NBA trade.

[1706] This may be worse sports trade.

[1707] Is this – well, I suppose time will tell.

[1708] Deshaun Watson.

[1709] Deshaun Watson, nothing can be Deshaun Watson, right?

[1710] Yeah, it can.

[1711] It definitely can because the people in Cleveland – We're not already bought in on Deshaun Watson.

[1712] And then, like, it's worse for the team, maybe.

[1713] But if we're talking about overall impact.

[1714] Yeah, just overall.

[1715] The people in Cleveland are like, well, we didn't even really know this guy.

[1716] We knew he had problems when we got him.

[1717] And they were kind of on board with the trade at the time.

[1718] The people in Cleveland?

[1719] Yeah.

[1720] Like, oh, okay, we can get a top -flight quarterback.

[1721] All right, you sold us on this.

[1722] Yeah, but they didn't have time to, like, fully fall in love with him and be bought.

[1723] Like, this is.

[1724] From an impact standpoint, this is way worse.

[1725] Yeah, as far as affecting an entire city.

[1726] I would say it's never happened before.

[1727] Okay, I won't do the project.

[1728] You've just convinced me. No, it's how science works.

[1729] We offer a little hypothesis, and then you do all the work, and then you come back and tell me what happened.

[1730] Oh, man. Now they're posting videos of Luca at charity events.

[1731] This isn't going to get better for a long time.

[1732] No. And then this idiot's going to be out of town, like Nico.

[1733] They may both be out of town.

[1734] Dumont as well.

[1735] They could sell this in a few years.

[1736] I mean, I don't know how much you want to get into all that stuff.

[1737] Obviously, there's that really viral thread of a guy who works in law and real estate.

[1738] The Vegas.

[1739] Yeah, yeah.

[1740] And I don't know if that guy listens or if he just follows it.

[1741] because he sent it to me as well directly.

[1742] And, you know, I don't know.

[1743] There's probably something to it, but maybe we save that for tomorrow.

[1744] Just the whole long con of turning the fan base against them.

[1745] They want to move the team or get a team in Vegas, and gambling in Texas isn't going as well as they thought, blah, blah, blah.

[1746] Doesn't feel like the day for that.

[1747] Or any of the other conspiracy theories, right?

[1748] Because there's a lot of them.

[1749] The league is rigged, basically.

[1750] Rigged to get LA needs their next great player.

[1751] Yeah.

[1752] And that was part of the deal when the Adelsons bought the team was, hey, we're going to give Luka to LA.

[1753] But that just feels like a level of deep conspiracy theory I don't know if I can get into.

[1754] I would buy it if...

[1755] L .A. also sent that other first.

[1756] Why would you also then just make sure they could hold on to a first?

[1757] How did they hold on to a first?

[1758] How?

[1759] And they got the Mavs to throw in a second.

[1760] That wouldn't make you feel any better if they did.

[1761] But the point is that it adds to the insanity.

[1762] No, it wouldn't.

[1763] It would make you feel a little better.

[1764] If you told me Cooper Flagg is here next year, it would help.

[1765] Also because I have a white quota I have to fill here, and I need Dog Connect and Cooper Flagg.

[1766] I can't do this for just Anthony Davis.

[1767] I'll get killed.

[1768] You're the Lakers.

[1769] Call other teams.

[1770] Figure it out.

[1771] You see how the Clippers had to call and figure out how to get enough?

[1772] to get Paul George?

[1773] I mean, just do that.

[1774] Here's the thing.

[1775] And you're going to have Luka.

[1776] Yeah, but here's the thing.

[1777] My friend Eric put it this way, and it's not really a conspiracy.

[1778] If they start going back and forth and back and forth and involving other teams, then there's a chance that that becomes public.

[1779] And if it does become public, the backlash would have 100 % made its way to Dumont.

[1780] Like, this had to be...

[1781] Nico had to keep Patrick Dumont from understanding that there would be a memorial in front of the stadium the next morning.

[1782] And if it got out, people would have revolted, and this trade would not have happened.

[1783] I don't even believe Nico would have gone through with it.

[1784] If it had gotten out, we would have had a revolt, probably literally in person at the stadium, and it wouldn't have been able to be done.

[1785] So he couldn't keep playing hardball because the main thing for him was get Luka out of here.

[1786] And that could only happen if no one knew about it.

[1787] And Palenka's like, yeah, buddy, I'll keep it quiet for you.

[1788] Of course he'll keep it quiet.

[1789] Palenka's absolutely like.

[1790] I can't believe this, but.

[1791] You're right.

[1792] You're right.

[1793] We shouldn't tell anyone else.

[1794] You know what?

[1795] I really want to, but you got me, Nico.

[1796] Once again, I don't know how you keep doing this to me. But.

[1797] Man, I don't know.

[1798] I mean, Luka is kind of fat and drinks beer and stuff.

[1799] I guess we'll take the risk, though.

[1800] I mean, I'm a gambler.

[1801] I'm Rob Palenka, a gambler.

[1802] If Luka got traded to the Oklahoma City Thunder for every single pick they have, that would make you feel better?

[1803] Yes.

[1804] It would make me, yes, at least like, okay, now I can understand it all.

[1805] I don't know, man. Yeah, well, it can't make you feel worse.

[1806] So you could say it's the same, but if they said, hey, we can't, we're just not a team that can do super maxes anymore.

[1807] We got to have young players.

[1808] And they said, we have seven first round picks.

[1809] Then I can start to convince myself, well, maybe there'll be another guy in the next few years.

[1810] Maybe we'll get our SGA or something.

[1811] But no, it's still not good though.

[1812] I'm still not like solid work.

[1813] Got rid of Luca.

[1814] At least we got fair value.

[1815] No, you're right about that.

[1816] All right, we keep going back to live.

[1817] Here's Jake with the Dumb Zone News.

[1818] Did you guys see over the weekend that in Canada, the American national anthem was getting booed when played at sporting events?

[1819] Oh, the tariff thing?

[1820] Mm -hmm.

[1821] Yeah, you thought that'd be big news.

[1822] Well, and you know, I...

[1823] Tariffs.

[1824] I didn't – it's going to be big news when we have to start paying for it, but – We'll make them pay.

[1825] I did not tell you guys about this part of going to go see Tom Green on Thursday night.

[1826] He talked about it a decent amount.

[1827] You did say any time he mentioned, like, guns, they'd cheer.

[1828] Yeah.

[1829] He mentioned he doesn't have a gun, they'd boo or something.

[1830] Yeah, and he brought up, like, oh, you know, maybe we'll be your 51st date, and people are like, ah, fuck, ah, empire.

[1831] But it's kind of funny because it's Canada.

[1832] But I get the sense that they're really going through it.

[1833] I think they are having a unity moment where people who typically fight with each other are now fighting the United States in their discourse saying, screw those guys.

[1834] Okay.

[1835] Well, that's cool.

[1836] We'll boo their anthem.

[1837] Glad we can get everybody together.

[1838] Do you think Americans are really, like, really bummed out to hear the anthem booed in Canada?

[1839] Think they care?

[1840] I don't.

[1841] No, we don't really care about Canada.

[1842] They're good.

[1843] We like them.

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[1895] Wait, what were you saying?

[1896] I imagine Canada right now is just like an entire nation of the Arthur fist to me. Like, oh, you're real mad, little buddy.

[1897] What are you going to ball up your little fist?

[1898] Yeah, but I picture it as the Kenny Pickett meme where it's like a really tiny fist.

[1899] Yeah.

[1900] But wait, so why should they be really mad?

[1901] Because they say tariffs just will make the price higher on Americans.

[1902] You stop buying their stuff.

[1903] Okay, so is it because Canada might have to lower the price of their stuff then?

[1904] That would be one option, yeah.

[1905] To make sure you keep buying it?

[1906] Yeah.

[1907] And there's a bunch of, there's a couple of like, you know, Parliament?

[1908] Clayton, they got a Parliament?

[1909] House of Commons?

[1910] They got some stuff up there.

[1911] I've seen representatives of areas in Canada saying, hey, we're ripping up our contract with this or that American company because we can't.

[1912] This isn't going to work.

[1913] There's Canada flexing.

[1914] A sports news story that dropped earlier this morning via the Associated Press.

[1915] What a way to kick off Super Bowl week in New Orleans.

[1916] I'm sorry, I just thought of this.

[1917] Because this started a whole thing of what do we need to stock up on now?

[1918] God, dude, if anybody's going to hit us with that, it's Blake.

[1919] I just want to forewarn, specifically to Dan, that the price of toilet paper may go up.

[1920] So, get your...

[1921] Well, I think I right now have...

[1922] At least four 48 -packs at home.

[1923] Okay, I just want to make sure you're stocked up.

[1924] Four 48 -packs?

[1925] Or is it that it's 12, but it equals 14?

[1926] Do you know how they advertise that now?

[1927] Don't care for that marketing bit.

[1928] So it makes me think I have 48 rolls of toilet paper, but it's only 12.

[1929] You mean if I wanted to, I could take this piece of toilet paper.

[1930] And separate it in half?

[1931] Yeah.

[1932] And have two?

[1933] Yeah.

[1934] Is there a way in which you could show me how to, like...

[1935] It's the same size as, yes, the Mega Roll is like four rolls.

[1936] And so, yeah, it'll say like 12 equals 48.

[1937] And so that's what I have.

[1938] Yeah, I don't like it.

[1939] So I have the equivalent of four 48 -packs, but it's really 412.

[1940] And, like, do you actually use four times less?

[1941] I don't know.

[1942] All I really need them to advertise is 12 packs of this won't get poop on your hand.

[1943] That's the grade I'm looking for.

[1944] So they manufacture a lot of toilet paper up there?

[1945] Yeah.

[1946] A ton of it.

[1947] Because of trees?

[1948] Yeah.

[1949] Even the newspaper facility.

[1950] All of their trees or all the paper came from Canada.

[1951] Really?

[1952] All of our paper comes from Canada.

[1953] Rolling paper?

[1954] Know what I mean, bruv?

[1955] Stock up.

[1956] So, back to the story of New Orleans, kicking off Super Bowl week.

[1957] Now, I'm sure people aren't tired of hearing me say this.

[1958] I did have a sibling, or I have a sibling, and he did work for the New Orleans Saints for a couple years.

[1959] Joe Kemp, everyone.

[1960] And I can't say that I've specifically heard about this story, but I can say that anybody...

[1961] who's been around the Saints for any amount of time is like, you know, it's really kind of just a matter of time before the wider world figures out how strange the inner workings of this family business are.

[1962] Now, the owner and the owner's family, devoutly Catholic, big Catholic donors.

[1963] And there have been rumors of some coordination between the New Orleans Saints.

[1964] and the local diocese in New Orleans with the saints helping cover up child sexual abuse scandals.

[1965] And as of this morning, with emails obtained by the Associated Press, that has pretty much been blown wide open.

[1966] The article starts with, as New Orleans church leaders brace for the fallout from publishing a list of predatory Catholic priests, they turn to an unlikely, I think it says alley.

[1967] That's probably Ally.

[1968] The front office.

[1969] Why do you have to be a jerk about everything?

[1970] The front office of the city's NFL franchise.

[1971] What followed was a months -long crisis communication blitz orchestrated by the New Orleans Saints president and other top team officials, according to hundreds of internal emails obtained by the Associated Press.

[1972] They played a more extensive role than previously known in a PR campaign to mitigate fallout from the clergy sexual abuse crisis.

[1973] So this is like their...

[1974] you know, Sint or Rick Welts or there's Scott Tomlin from the Mavericks or Joe Trahan from the Cowboys.

[1975] Like, sometimes you'll get an email from the Cowboys PR that's like, it's not, hey, Dorrance Armstrong released.

[1976] It'll say, you know, bad bunny at the star this week, whatever.

[1977] Well, occasionally, apparently, if you work for the Saints, you also have to help cover up Catholic Church child sex.

[1978] Abuse crises.

[1979] Well, I bet the saints will really pay for this.

[1980] Sure, they'll get in some big trouble.

[1981] Have to...

[1982] I don't...

[1983] I mean, I don't know.

[1984] I know what you're saying, cynically, but I don't...

[1985] I mean, the Catholic Church had to pay big.

[1986] They're not even a thing anymore.

[1987] Well, I know what you're saying, but they do have to pay out a lot of money.

[1988] You know?

[1989] Like, they get sued for these diddles a lot.

[1990] And if the Saints get wrapped up in that as a party to a lawsuit, that's not good for the Benson family.

[1991] But, again.

[1992] How's that going to affect Kellen Moore?

[1993] Is he there yet?

[1994] He is not, but that was certainly the first thing people started saying to me. Oh, that's right.

[1995] He's coaching in the Super Bowl.

[1996] Yeah, but, I mean, it hasn't come out that it's done.

[1997] Yeah.

[1998] Well, I don't think it can until the Super Bowl's over.

[1999] Yes.

[2000] I don't know that.

[2001] He's probably going to be their coach, and he's just going to have to deal with it.

[2002] Now, is he worried based on the fact that he kind of looks like an altar boy?

[2003] Don't know yet.

[2004] Is there a bounty joke in here somewhere?

[2005] There probably is.

[2006] There probably is.

[2007] We just got to work for it.

[2008] I like the altar boy thing, though.

[2009] I like the altar boy thing, yeah.

[2010] I like where you're going there.

[2011] Thank you.

[2012] Greg Williams' quote was, kill the head and the body will die, right?

[2013] Take time here.

[2014] I don't know.

[2015] It's not like they're going to lose a draft pick, but it's certainly not a good look for the organization.

[2016] The president of the team and emails urged the city's newspapers to work with the church.

[2017] Like, hear the church out.

[2018] Why do you believe in this kid?

[2019] Look at this kid.

[2020] He's a rich kid now.

[2021] He's got all this money.

[2022] For what?

[2023] For laying there.

[2024] Is that what the email said?

[2025] I'm just paraphrasing the email.

[2026] That is pretty much what it said.

[2027] We had another plane crash on Friday night.

[2028] Not a big commercial one, is it?

[2029] No. Okay.

[2030] Good.

[2031] But it was a medical transport plane.

[2032] It was in Philly.

[2033] Was it attacked by Philly?

[2034] Yeah.

[2035] Like they attacked the robot?

[2036] Like the robot?

[2037] The kindness robot?

[2038] They attacked a plane, a medical plane.

[2039] What, a medical plane?

[2040] It's gay.

[2041] This is an interesting one, though, because...

[2042] Well, I guess all the people that survived but were injured were on the ground, so that might not...

[2043] That's not good?

[2044] Well, that doesn't really fit.

[2045] Did everybody die that was in the plane?

[2046] I think so.

[2047] Yeah, I think so.

[2048] 22 people were injured, but I believe that's the case.

[2049] But the video is wild.

[2050] We're in that era now.

[2051] where just about everything's going to be on video.

[2052] Yeah, and I've told you before, you know, the Russian dash cam, where, I mean, you get, like, meteors.

[2053] Meteors?

[2054] Meteors.

[2055] Meteors.

[2056] I've been told that we should get a dash cam.

[2057] Everybody should have one.

[2058] Yeah.

[2059] I guess they're pretty cheap.

[2060] I mean, I think you would definitely need it if you drove a lot in, like, an urban area where people are dinging your car.

[2061] But...

[2062] This also just works into my gummy thought from last week that in time, from some angle, every aspect of your life will be on video throughout the entire day.

[2063] It's just on you to hit the button.

[2064] From some angle?

[2065] Like from female POV?

[2066] Could be.

[2067] That's what Blake likes.

[2068] Could be.

[2069] Just feeling like a big boy.

[2070] Yeah, when we talked about that last week, somebody told me that Tesla has a video camera inside all of them filming you so they can figure out if you're responsible for a wreck or not.

[2071] Really?

[2072] Yeah.

[2073] That makes sense.

[2074] They've had the external cameras for a while.

[2075] If somebody dings you, it'll record the previous 15 seconds or something like that.

[2076] Like a ring camera type thing that just kicks in then?

[2077] The cameras these days, well, we're in that Rivian car.

[2078] I took a test drive in that, and that's incredible.

[2079] They've got cameras all over the car.

[2080] You can see every little thing outside the car.

[2081] It's great.

[2082] You could not even look at the road and just drive.

[2083] I don't know if that's true.

[2084] Saw an interesting note on a couple of our local news websites.

[2085] So we talked about it last week.

[2086] Dr. Phil, boots on the ground, deporting illegals as he was called to do by the television gods.

[2087] Was it Mark Burnett?

[2088] Was he the Celebrity Apprentice reality show king?

[2089] Mm -hmm.

[2090] But it's funny because...

[2091] So there's people protesting these deportations.

[2092] That's not actually the funny part.

[2093] Yeah, I saw that in Dallas, right?

[2094] Yeah.

[2095] A lot of marches.

[2096] A lot of marches.

[2097] That always works, too.

[2098] Usually you go ahead and march, and then whatever it is you don't like stops.

[2099] You're right.

[2100] I don't know the answer.

[2101] I think it's cool.

[2102] You're right.

[2103] But it never does work, right?

[2104] I guess it's not never.

[2105] I guess it does.

[2106] I don't know what it does there.

[2107] It's very subjective.

[2108] There are times where you don't do anything.

[2109] Then it's like, oh, you're just lying back and taking this.

[2110] OK, well, we'll go protest.

[2111] What did that do?

[2112] I don't know.

[2113] Probably not much.

[2114] Stop traffic.

[2115] Probably not much.

[2116] But but you want to feel like I'm doing something.

[2117] Yeah.

[2118] So there were protests for a second straight weekend.

[2119] all over Dallas in front of Dallas City Hall Sunday afternoon.

[2120] And look, I'm really bummed about Luka.

[2121] Really bummed.

[2122] But there is kind of a reality check moment when you show up to a protest in your Luka jersey with a big X over the Mavericks thing and you have a sign that's like, fire Nico Harrison.

[2123] And you look over to the guy next to you and you're like, yeah, you know, F these guys, what are you here for?

[2124] And they're like, Oh, no, I'm here for the immigration deportation protest.

[2125] They deported my whole family, including my three -year -old child.

[2126] And those two protests were taking place together all Sunday within about four miles of each other.

[2127] You're like, wait, three years old?

[2128] I've been following Luca for six.

[2129] Right, yeah.

[2130] What was his upside?

[2131] Right.

[2132] Was he, like, the greatest child?

[2133] Like, one of the...

[2134] Greatest five children that has been on this planet in the last 50 years?

[2135] Actually tell me how many children that you would take over.

[2136] Because Luka is actually one of the greatest five basketball players to come along in the last 50 years.

[2137] So you better be sure about that.

[2138] So tell me how bad you missed that kid now.

[2139] Better be sure about that.

[2140] Although I bet he didn't get a kid back.

[2141] That's a good point.

[2142] You got an older kid back.

[2143] I got a nine -year -old back for him.

[2144] He's a lot more dependable, this kid.

[2145] I laugh thinking about those two people getting on dart together, like at the end of Sunday afternoon.

[2146] Does that just show the idiocy of sports?

[2147] It probably does.

[2148] And which of those protests had more of a meaningful impact?

[2149] Well, let's do it this way instead.

[2150] Let's say that both those protests would have occurred before the ensuing action.

[2151] Luca traded or the three -year -old deported.

[2152] I'm of the mind that three -year -old was gonzo no matter what.

[2153] Had this Mavs trade been leaked beforehand, the protests might have actually stopped it.

[2154] Right, the deportations were very leaked.

[2155] Yes, and happening.

[2156] That we're going to work on this.

[2157] You know, in fact...

[2158] It's kind of a guy yelling at it all fall.

[2159] I won't even do it unless y 'all vote in this way.

[2160] Yeah.

[2161] Then we'll do it.

[2162] Yeah.

[2163] Oh, man. That's all I got, guys.

[2164] Whatever.

[2165] I know.

[2166] This DEI, now this.

[2167] It's funny, people always look...

[2168] I don't know if you guys can always see this, but people at these DZTV studios always walk by and then there's got to be a guy explaining.

[2169] I would like to...

[2170] I wonder if we could put a microphone out there so we could hear the explanation for what this is that's in there.

[2171] I don't know.

[2172] These two spares, I don't know who they are.

[2173] Somehow they've...

[2174] Guy kind of showed up.

[2175] It used to be a conference room.

[2176] We were like, whatever.

[2177] We turned around.

[2178] Now they do this.

[2179] So what is it?

[2180] I don't really know.

[2181] I think it's a podcast or something.

[2182] Yeah.

[2183] You're probably right.

[2184] All right.

[2185] Well, let me show you the real TV studio, though.

[2186] Then he's like, oh, cool.

[2187] Because sometimes people walk in this way, and it's on the way to go see Doocy.

[2188] Yeah, where's Mike Doocy?

[2189] They walk by, and they're like, we don't even go in there.

[2190] That's where the bad boys do their stuff.

[2191] I think that's what they say.

[2192] By the way, what was in your lunch today, Blake?

[2193] Stop asking questions about my food.

[2194] All right, so we had some rice and some veggies.

[2195] Are we 93 .7 ground beef in this?

[2196] Sure.

[2197] What was in there?

[2198] Why don't you just answer?

[2199] Why does it matter?

[2200] He's just a friend that wants to know.

[2201] No, he has ulterior motives.

[2202] There's no ulterior motives.

[2203] You look good.

[2204] You have been looking good, dude.

[2205] And I see that you're bringing a, it didn't look like leftovers from a restaurant, did a little meal prep?

[2206] Yeah, I did some meal prep yesterday.

[2207] What did we go with?

[2208] I made a big pot of jasmine rice, made a big pot of ground turkey, threw some mixed veggies in there, and I'm trying to be healthier.

[2209] What a guy.

[2210] Look at that.

[2211] You're all set for the whole week?

[2212] Freaking chart.

[2213] I think I made eight meals out of yesterday.

[2214] Wow.

[2215] What did you season the turkey with?

[2216] Nothing.

[2217] Blake.

[2218] I might throw some sauce in there.

[2219] I don't know.

[2220] You got birthdays to read?

[2221] Rocket sauce.

[2222] And Dan's over here eating Beyond Meat, bulking up.

[2223] That's right.

[2224] But I will proudly tell you that I'm - Hunky -ass podcast we got going on here.

[2225] I'm trying to better myself, but Blake, he's just a humble guy.

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[2243] That's a great read.

[2244] Try putting...

[2245] Thank you.

[2246] Just get taco seasoning.

[2247] A taco seasoning packet.

[2248] Did a plane crash today or somebody murdered?

[2249] It's better.

[2250] You got Clayton back there who's just having Lucy for lunch.

[2251] He's living off of it.

[2252] A couple of viewer mail birthdays for today.

[2253] I don't know if anything's rolled in while we've been doing the program.

[2254] I guess I'm not going to find out either.

[2255] Dan, Jake, and Blake, today is intern Rachel's 31st birthday.

[2256] Wow.

[2257] Wow, indeed.

[2258] We are in Vegas.

[2259] I know.

[2260] And saw Nate Bargatze, who helped us laugh away the tears from the Luka trade from D .F. Colin.

[2261] Or Colin.

[2262] Could be Colin.

[2263] Tennis Colin.

[2264] That is Rachel's husband.

[2265] Colin.

[2266] Rachel's 31.

[2267] Good for her.

[2268] That is good for her.

[2269] Way to go, Rachel.

[2270] Dear Virgin Surgeon.

[2271] All right, yeah, I like that a lot.

[2272] My buddy Chuck D is turning 48 on the 1st.

[2273] He's an Aggie, too.

[2274] That's all.

[2275] Suck it from Tyler.

[2276] And dear Walloper of the Whispering Eye, I'm writing to you for my own birthday, which was yesterday, Feb 2.

[2277] It was my Josh Hamilton birthday, which means I celebrated by going on a bender, ripping lines of coke, and cheating on my wife in an Arlington bar bathroom.

[2278] Hope I didn't miss any big sports news while I was in my booze and drug -induced blackout.

[2279] Anyway, you all are my leaders, especially Jake and all his courage, plus the can of snakes exploding into another can of snakes.

[2280] P .S., tell Blake to reach out if he'd like to set up some time for me to come on the show.

[2281] This is from the guy's name is Caleb Williams, the quarterback who paints his nails.

[2282] Yeah, see if you can grab him.

[2283] Book him, Blake.

[2284] Excuse me. So it's Monday, February 3rd.

[2285] On this day in 1870, it was the 15th Amendment to the Constitution.

[2286] Which?

[2287] Couldn't tell you.

[2288] No?

[2289] No. No guess?

[2290] Ty Walker?

[2291] Any guess?

[2292] No. Hey, Ty.

[2293] Hi, Ty.

[2294] Hey, guys.

[2295] Thought you might want to expand on that a little bit, but no, okay.

[2296] Nah, it's okay.

[2297] It granted black American men.

[2298] The right to vote.

[2299] Black American men.

[2300] Which seems really, I don't know, it all seems really weird.

[2301] And it does show you that, hey, just because the Constitution does say one thing, I guess you could change it.

[2302] If times change.

[2303] Funny that.

[2304] This day in 1959 is the day the music died.

[2305] Rock and roll stars Buddy Holly, Richie Valens.

[2306] And a couple other people died in a small plane crash.

[2307] Don't forget the big bopper.

[2308] The big bopper?

[2309] Well, he was among the others.

[2310] Yeah, but he had a name, though.

[2311] Yeah.

[2312] The others didn't?

[2313] If you have a name, you get mentioned in the postscript.

[2314] Sabine Pass, huh?

[2315] What other boppers were there?

[2316] Yeah, the diminutive bopper.

[2317] On this day in 1998, Texas executed Carla Faye Tucker.

[2318] Yeah.

[2319] Did she cut her arms off?

[2320] She was 38 for the pickaxe killings of two people in 1983.

[2321] The first woman executed in the U .S. since 1984.

[2322] Look at that.

[2323] Breaking barriers.

[2324] So in 1998, it took them from 84 to 98 to say, yes, let's kill another woman.

[2325] Trailblazer.

[2326] On this day in 2000, that's another thing that women don't think about, why it's so tough to be a man. He'll kill us at the drop of a hat.

[2327] We get killed way more often, and nobody even, they don't write a story like, oh man, this day in history, they just do it.

[2328] More attractive than I would have thought.

[2329] Carla Faye Tucker?

[2330] Yeah.

[2331] She's pickaxe hot.

[2332] Yeah, I think in her day she probably...

[2333] And on this day in 2002, it was the beginning of the...

[2334] I would have let her pickaxe me. Go ahead.

[2335] Patriots dynasty.

[2336] This is when they beat the Rams.

[2337] 20 -17.

[2338] Super Bowl 36.

[2339] That we were going to have to endure 50 more years of Tom Brady.

[2340] annoyingly being in our lives.

[2341] Yeah, it could be another 20.

[2342] Yeah.

[2343] Maybe, if he wants it, yeah, probably 30.

[2344] Yeah.

[2345] And plus, he's kind of ageless.

[2346] That's what I'm saying.

[2347] Yeah.

[2348] He's only 47.

[2349] He gets super rock -hard healthy erections while he sleeps, I'm sure, like Brian Johnson.

[2350] Brian Johnson.

[2351] Trying to reverse his age, or live as long as he can.

[2352] The Don't Die guy we were talking about.

[2353] Oh.

[2354] Who?

[2355] Not the ACDC singer?

[2356] No. No. Other birthdays today.

[2357] Rugned Odor is 31.

[2358] Wow.

[2359] Oh, look.

[2360] Boom.

[2361] Right there.

[2362] Right there.

[2363] I was there.

[2364] You were?

[2365] Ty?

[2366] Yeah.

[2367] That was Sunday.

[2368] Yeah, Sunday game.

[2369] It was on May 15th, my birthday.

[2370] I went to the Rangers game for my birthday, and I got to witness that.

[2371] Are you chanting USA?

[2372] Let's watch it one more time.

[2373] I love how the glasses fall off of Jose Bautista's face.

[2374] Yeah, I got caught up in the moment.

[2375] When he punches him, it's just so good.

[2376] So good.

[2377] Oh!

[2378] Still shot.

[2379] Skip Shoemaker is 45.

[2380] The baseball?

[2381] The Rangers.

[2382] Air apparent to Boach.

[2383] He's the Rangers bench coach now, isn't he?

[2384] He teaches the bench how to sit there.

[2385] It would just seem to me that with Kip Fag, it would seem that he would have to sign off on Skip Shoemaker.

[2386] Would it to you?

[2387] Yeah, I believe a lot of things that the Rangers do, especially if it is a bridge between the big club.

[2388] And the minor leagues.

[2389] Yeah, regarding Kip Fag, it would seem like they would have to just all be on the same page.

[2390] It's important.

[2391] Just so that they know how to develop.

[2392] It's very important.

[2393] He's their minor league.

[2394] Y 'all are so childish.

[2395] What do you mean?

[2396] You know.

[2397] I don't understand anything that you're saying.

[2398] What I'm hearing is two guys talking about the future of a baseball team.

[2399] And what's best?

[2400] The talking sport.

[2401] You don't have to tell me twice.

[2402] It's the hot stove league, you know?

[2403] Hey, I've moved on from this Luka thing.

[2404] It's truck day.

[2405] Let's go Rangers.

[2406] Yeah.

[2407] Something.

[2408] How many sleeps?

[2409] I don't know, man. I'm going to be into baseball this year.

[2410] No, you won't.

[2411] Yes, I am.

[2412] What does that even mean?

[2413] I'm going to know all the happenings in the world of baseball.

[2414] So vague.

[2415] Just stay tuned.

[2416] Richard Bartell is 42.

[2417] Whoa, that's a grapevine Mustang right there.

[2418] Go ahead, Dan.

[2419] What do you want me to say?

[2420] You had a nickname for him.

[2421] I did not have a nickname.

[2422] I had a listener told me that they heard that they would call him Backdoor Bartell.

[2423] Because he would, in football games, they would always score late and cover?

[2424] Maybe.

[2425] Yeah.

[2426] Maybe.

[2427] I don't know what you're saying.

[2428] He was very good in high school.

[2429] No way.

[2430] Vlade Divac, 57.

[2431] Validated and vindicated.

[2432] Was he right?

[2433] See?

[2434] Nobody wants to touch Luca.

[2435] That's the thing, man. We were making fun of other people who wouldn't take Luca.

[2436] Then you had him.

[2437] Like, you dream of just having it.

[2438] Like, oh, man. If you could just luck into getting one of those guys someday.

[2439] My God.

[2440] They had it.

[2441] I'm just seeing all these reports coming out now.

[2442] This one's from, this is a, looks like Sam Amick, Joe Varden, the big heavy hitters at the athletic have like a full breakdown as to how this all happened.

[2443] The trade.

[2444] Here's a quote.

[2445] Can I get it for you here quickly?

[2446] The Lakers kept the 20 -31 pick out of the trade after not being allowed to speak with Luka Doncic's agent.

[2447] The quote is, the Mavericks weighed that extra pick against the risk of the trade falling apart after word of it spread to Doncic with him potentially becoming disgruntled in the process.

[2448] So it's pretty much exactly what we thought, right?

[2449] That they...

[2450] Jesus Christ, dude.

[2451] That is fireable.

[2452] That's really bad.

[2453] And you're going to tell me it's a problem if I go to Brahms on the way home.

[2454] Go to Brahms, dude.

[2455] Fuck you.

[2456] Thank you.

[2457] You got me to rehab.

[2458] I've been having too many of those hundred calorie.

[2459] chocolate bars.

[2460] Those things are great.

[2461] I am at...

[2462] What's it called again?

[2463] Yasso.

[2464] Yasso, yeah.

[2465] I never go above two and I try to limit it to every other night.

[2466] There are a hundred calories.

[2467] So we're eating the same amount because I'll have one per night.

[2468] Okay.

[2469] And I'll justify it with I went to the gym today.

[2470] Or I went to the gym yesterday.

[2471] So I get to do that two days in a row.

[2472] The caramel, the sea salt caramel one.

[2473] I don't know where you fall on caramel, but it's...

[2474] No, that's a great one.

[2475] That's a good one.

[2476] That will fall off the stick a little too soon.

[2477] It will, because there's no case.

[2478] So I like the chocolate chip one.

[2479] There's no case.

[2480] Yeah.

[2481] The case.

[2482] They have a caramel one with the chocolate crunch around it.

[2483] Really?

[2484] Oh.

[2485] Ooh, the chocolate crunch around it can be dicey, too, if you don't eat it fast enough.

[2486] This is all true.

[2487] But that's a good one.

[2488] Call us.

[2489] Fran Tarkenden is 85.

[2490] Didn't know he was still alive.

[2491] Yeah, he'd run around a bunch back there.

[2492] Okay.

[2493] Host of That's Incredible.

[2494] I didn't know that.

[2495] Also, a guy named Fran.

[2496] Oh, yeah.

[2497] Bob Greasy, 80.

[2498] What's he?

[2499] Dolphins?

[2500] He went undefeated, Blake.

[2501] Yeah.

[2502] He has some Brian.

[2503] Played with the Broncos.

[2504] Rapper Sean Kingston, 35.

[2505] I don't really know, but does the whole...

[2506] Jamaican thing.

[2507] I think he's related to Philip.

[2508] I think you're right.

[2509] Isla Fisher is 49.

[2510] Yep, perfect.

[2511] Yep.

[2512] Yeah?

[2513] Yep.

[2514] She's pretty great.

[2515] I think she's still married to Borat.

[2516] Yeah.

[2517] Oh, really?

[2518] Divorced.

[2519] Aw.

[2520] No more wife!

[2521] Can you follow up Borat?

[2522] Would you be able to be married to the lady that was married to Borat?

[2523] Yeah, I think you would just have to be boring.

[2524] Isn't she probably tired of the bits?

[2525] Like it's constant bits?

[2526] Oh, my God, all the time.

[2527] It's Borat.

[2528] Did you know how embarrassed you'd be if you accidentally did a My Wife in front of her, like just cucking yourself?

[2529] Oh, yeah.

[2530] She's like, just don't, hon. Just don't.

[2531] Tim Heidecker, 48.

[2532] Greatness heard he's an asshole.

[2533] From lots of people.

[2534] That's too bad.

[2535] Kind of see it, though.

[2536] Yeah.

[2537] I went and saw his show at somewhere, some Dallas theater.

[2538] Texas theater?

[2539] Amal, Amal, Clooney, 46.

[2540] Mm -hmm.

[2541] And Elizabeth Holmes is 41.

[2542] Is she actually hot, or is she just...

[2543] No, Steve Jobs hot.

[2544] Scammed hot.

[2545] Steve Jobs used to be hot.

[2546] Yeah, she's powerful hot.

[2547] She's convincing, like, I don't know.

[2548] She's convincing billionaires.

[2549] Not even just billionaires.

[2550] It was like military people.

[2551] Guys like ladies, bro.

[2552] That's true.

[2553] Born on this day now dead, Henry Heimlich.

[2554] I met his daughter.

[2555] What?

[2556] That's the truth.

[2557] Really?

[2558] That's where that drop came from.

[2559] I met his daughter.

[2560] Really?

[2561] Yes.

[2562] Why?

[2563] When I was doing news, I got to go on a trip to Bosnia, and it was a bunch of Texas reporters, and she was a reporter for an NPR station in Austin.

[2564] Wow.

[2565] So, yes.

[2566] It's the absolute truth.

[2567] What other war -torn, conflict -ridden...

[2568] That was the only place.

[2569] Okay.

[2570] Spent some time in Sarajevo.

[2571] Damn.

[2572] Did you see any action?

[2573] No, it was after they'd cooled everything down a little bit.

[2574] We did have to wear bulletproof vests and helmets.

[2575] Did you wear, like, a bulletproof cup?

[2576] I'd be worried about that getting shot.

[2577] Is that the closest you felt to being, like, in Star Wars somehow?

[2578] I don't really know the stories.

[2579] Yeah, because it was camo and, you know, kind of indoor, you know.

[2580] A little stealth.

[2581] Yeah.

[2582] Now that you say that, yeah.

[2583] Was Jody there?

[2584] No. Fuck him.

[2585] We'll get to that in a moment.

[2586] Born on this day, now dead.

[2587] Cary Von Erich.

[2588] Wow, also tie.

[2589] That's why I brought it up.

[2590] What is that from?

[2591] We're looking at a workout video.

[2592] Damn.

[2593] A video of Cary Von A. The modern -day warrior.

[2594] Bo Biden.

[2595] That hurts, dude.

[2596] He wouldn't have let any of this happen.

[2597] And Gavin Escobar.

[2598] Oh.

[2599] I forgot he was not alive until I was rolling through his pro football reference page this morning.

[2600] Mm -hmm.

[2601] Was that the thing where he was, like, rock climbing?

[2602] Mm -hmm.

[2603] He died with some lady that was not his wife?

[2604] Yeah, but she was, like, it wasn't.

[2605] Yeah, you're right.

[2606] It wasn't.

[2607] People do that, though.

[2608] The CrossFit people, the rock climb people, I don't know.

[2609] Okay.

[2610] I don't think I could get away with it.

[2611] Hey, I'm cool.

[2612] Yeah.

[2613] It's whatever.

[2614] I don't care what you do.

[2615] Like I literally was thinking this weekend, it'd be so great if my wife was cheating on me. I mean, you could probably try to nudge it that direction.

[2616] I wonder how.

[2617] Maybe like if she had a, so ladies like ski instructors and that kind of guy, right?

[2618] Yeah.

[2619] The problem is every time.

[2620] Because every year she will call for maintenance on the riding lawnmower, and they have to come pick it up and then do some work on it.

[2621] That guy's like 80 that comes every year.

[2622] She needs the CrossFit -looking, crunchy guy, ski instructor to be a guy who repairs that riding lawnmower, and then they would run off together.

[2623] It'd be great.

[2624] The easiest way to get this done is to just get a personal yoga coach.

[2625] She doesn't need to run off with him.

[2626] That could just settle that area of her needs.

[2627] Because I don't, I just don't feel like contributing to it.

[2628] It's not even that you don't think you can do it.

[2629] It's that you don't feel like trying.

[2630] Right.

[2631] I got a lot going on, man. This whole Luca thing.

[2632] I hear you.

[2633] I hear you.

[2634] Dead on this day, still dead.

[2635] Al Lewis, who was Grandpa Munster.

[2636] You're on the chicken.

[2637] And Les Levine.

[2638] Damn.

[2639] Bless up.

[2640] Poor one out.

[2641] Cleveland radio legend.

[2642] What a guy.

[2643] Who's not alive anymore.

[2644] Came to our show, though.

[2645] He did.

[2646] Came on our show.

[2647] And that was Today in History.

[2648] Franco and Franco brings us closing remarks.

[2649] That's our personal injury attorneys.

[2650] Call them if you feel like your team has wronged you and you would like to get retribution.

[2651] You can sue anybody for anything.

[2652] I mean, the Frankles will probably tell you, look, I don't think I can sue the Mavs for your personal anguish.

[2653] But if you want to call them at 214 -817 -333 -3333, you will get on the line with a partner.

[2654] That's right.

[2655] Not like some spare like Blake answering the phone.

[2656] It'll be like a real important person.

[2657] Like Jake.

[2658] But it's one of the Frankles.

[2659] That's right.

[2660] Or Gene.

[2661] Or Gene Burkett.

[2662] They have the experience and knowledge to help you win in the courtroom.

[2663] And sometimes, I bet, if you ask nicely, they'll do that.

[2664] Just pound their hand on the thing?

[2665] Like if you request that within it, you're in court.

[2666] Give me one.

[2667] a desk pound while you're up there, will you?

[2668] They'll do it.

[2669] Okay.

[2670] So call 214 -817 -333 -3333.

[2671] You're having a bad time whenever you get yourself into a car accident.

[2672] Let them make it a little bit less bad.

[2673] 214 -817 -333 -3333.

[2674] Closing remarks or something?

[2675] So you went to Sarajevo?

[2676] This is Ty Walker, formerly of the ticket, of course, currently of the world.

[2677] Yeah, back in 97, the Texas National Guard was part of what they called S -Force, the Stabilization Force, after our military had gone in and cooled things down, and they were trying to help out, and they wanted to bring some reporters over there from Texas to see how things were going, and they called where I was working, and I got put on the plane.

[2678] Where was that?

[2679] the texas state network which was carol d was part of that that feels like it feels cool but also knowing that that was kind of early in your career yeah that must be drawing the short straw like oh no uh like i didn't i don't want to go there i think they i think i was yeah i was still kind of low on the totem pole so i was the first person they asked i was like yeah okay sure why not was it fun um it was it was tedious because it was two weeks It was a week to get there, basically, and then a week of kind of jumping through hoops because you were dealing with the military, and it was a lot of hurry up and wait.

[2680] But I'm glad I did it because it was very interesting to be there and see it.

[2681] Break any stories?

[2682] No, nothing really broke while we were there.

[2683] What was interesting?

[2684] You know, just...

[2685] Getting to go into Sarajevo and the whole, like I said, they suited us up like we were in the military.

[2686] Helmets, bulletproof vests, drove down the middle of Main Street of Sarajevo, and about half of it was all the buildings were bombed.

[2687] Yeah, I mean, you're like less than a year removed from pretty major destruction.

[2688] Okay, well, you're going to have to fill in a guy like me about that.

[2689] I'm not exactly sure.

[2690] Nobody really cared about this one.

[2691] I know.

[2692] The old Bosnian 90s thing.

[2693] Well, I don't know.

[2694] I wasn't here.

[2695] They took us up on one of the mountains when the 1984 Winter Olympics was in Sarajevo.

[2696] And a lot of the stuff was still there, like the bobsled and a couple other things like ski jumps and stuff.

[2697] And the bobsled.

[2698] where they would, you know, they had the curves, you know, they go around, they were still there, the concrete.

[2699] And they told us you could see holes poke through.

[2700] That's where they used it as like bunkers.

[2701] That's where they put their machine guns through.

[2702] That is so paintball.

[2703] Yeah.

[2704] That is awesome.

[2705] So, yeah, you never knew I was a military hero, Dan.

[2706] So is that when you worked with Jody Dean?

[2707] Yes, he was at KRLD at the time.

[2708] And you were not a fan?

[2709] No. Why is that?

[2710] Well, I was fortunate because working at TSN, we worked at the same place.

[2711] And fortunately, he was at KRLD.

[2712] I was at TSN.

[2713] We worked in the same newsroom, worked in the same studios.

[2714] But I had very little...

[2715] Hardcore interaction with him.

[2716] I saw the way he treated a lot of people.

[2717] But is it not the case that you have since buried that he's grown?

[2718] No. He's got a beard now.

[2719] He has a beard.

[2720] I think he works at Medieval Times now.

[2721] I think I saw.

[2722] That actually sounds awesome.

[2723] He interacts with me sometimes on Twitter, and he's really cool.

[2724] Quite a bit.

[2725] You know what?

[2726] He seems like a good guy.

[2727] I think he's changed.

[2728] By all accounts, he has hopefully changed.

[2729] I feel like he's Kyrie.

[2730] Like he knows, oh, yeah, I did some things in the past.

[2731] Don't say that.

[2732] I didn't hear that.

[2733] And his ego's already big enough.

[2734] He didn't need to hear that.

[2735] Well, Kyrie's ego is big as well.

[2736] I know.

[2737] But, you know, sometimes great people are just great.

[2738] I do hope that getting older and wiser that he has changed.

[2739] But, yeah, I just know what I saw.

[2740] Hell, yeah.

[2741] Look at this guy.

[2742] When I left the ticket and I was made aware that he had put out a tweet and he was like, You know, losing radio professionals like Ty Walker from The Ticket is a bad thing for our scene.

[2743] I'd like to tell him that, but I know he thinks I'm an asshole.

[2744] And you're like, yep.

[2745] And I'm like, boy, I'm glad you got that.

[2746] Well, you've been pretty open about it.

[2747] That's true.

[2748] Yeah.

[2749] No, I do hope he's changed.

[2750] So did he bomb Sarajevo?

[2751] Yeah, why did Jody Dean bomb Sarajevo?

[2752] You're combining stories here.

[2753] He had nothing to do with Sarajevo.

[2754] Was there any chicks traveling with you?

[2755] Heimlich's daughter.

[2756] Oh, that's right.

[2757] There were a couple other.

[2758] Have you heard about the Hooters calendar in Thai?

[2759] Who hasn't heard that story, Dan?

[2760] Many years ago.

[2761] Ty was on the air telling us that he was dating a girl who was upset that he had a Hooters calendar on his kitchen table or whatever.

[2762] She thought that was smut.

[2763] Yeah, that was pornography.

[2764] Yeah, and he's like, God, I don't think I can be with this.

[2765] If she ever saw my search history.

[2766] Well, if she'd have just seen all the shit I'd hid in the closet before she got there, she'd have thought that was nothing.

[2767] Yeah, your last girlfriend.

[2768] The blow -up doll.

[2769] Yeah, the blow -up doll.

[2770] You hid your last girlfriend.

[2771] My blow -up doll.

[2772] In a variety of...

[2773] Yeah, we both said it.

[2774] Oh, yeah.

[2775] So, yeah, she was not the one for me. Well, this has been fun.

[2776] Yeah.

[2777] It has been fun.

[2778] All right.

[2779] Adios, mofo.

[2780] We gotta go before this becomes a zoo.

[2781] Thank you for watching my video.

[2782] Subscribe and type for my name if you want to watch more of my video.

[2783] I'm just so fucking sad We just traded away Devin Booker's dad This is the worst trade in NBA history The biggest sports mystery I swear we better find out who set this up The entire city is mad as fuck and ready to erupt Something doesn't smell right, smells corrupt Trading him to the Lakers to get the ratings up What did you just do?

[2784] There's Lee Harvey Oswald and now you.

[2785] You just traded away a once in a lifetime player.

[2786] Can we stop this trade?

[2787] Somebody get the Dallas mayor.

[2788] This is ridiculous.

[2789] Please tell me it's a joke.

[2790] The entire city in shock on Sunday when they woke.

[2791] You just traded the most untradable star.

[2792] That it's someone find Nico.

[2793] We're towing his car.

[2794] Let's grab him, kidnap him in his dumb little suit.

[2795] We'll tie him up and we're not leaving until we get the truth.