36 - Live from LA Podcast Festival

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Hey, this is exciting.

[2] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[3] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[4] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[5] Who killed Saz?

[6] And were they really after Charles?

[7] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[8] This season, murder hits close to home.

[9] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[10] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[11] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[12] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[13] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[14] Only Martyrs in the building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[15] Goodbye.

[16] We did this wrong.

[17] There's trash.

[18] Just don't worry about the trash.

[19] Glamorous.

[20] Classy.

[21] professional.

[22] Hi, welcome to My Favorite Murder Live, everybody.

[23] I hate my apartment.

[24] Yes.

[25] On stage.

[26] George's blue curtains are gorgeous.

[27] Oh my God.

[28] Can we talk about this?

[29] Yes, can we please?

[30] Fuck.

[31] Karen, tell me everything.

[32] Well, last week when we were talking about how we are going to come and do a live podcast and we were talking about all the things we needed to do and bring and have to recreate the same.

[33] environment that we have in Georgia's hot hot apartment when we record every week and Georgia made joke and said I guess I'll buy a cage to bring Elvis and I said or you could just have him stuffed and her heart broke in front of me and now I'm that friend so I've been trying to think for like six days turning to think like you got to make good on that piece of bullshit and then I remembered that I'm a compulsive venture thrift store shopper, and I got shit like this laying around by the dozens.

[34] Like, excuse me, don't you have a some sixth grade teacher hand knit, a Siamese cat?

[35] And it's just been sitting in a closet for like fucking seven years.

[36] And the answer was yes.

[37] Elvis is here.

[38] When I saw that backstage, I was like, I'm not supposed to see that.

[39] And if I look at it, I'm going to cry.

[40] So I didn't, because it's so sweet.

[41] And so I didn't look at it.

[42] What happened?

[43] I was trying to move my...

[44] Okay.

[45] There we go.

[46] Have you gotten a good look at it?

[47] Because there's truly about four years of dust right on the top.

[48] You guys can see that.

[49] It meant a lot.

[50] Karen, thank you so much.

[51] And I would have dusted it off, but I was running late.

[52] And if you know my apartment...

[53] You don't know my apartment.

[54] This is the most perfect thing for my apartment.

[55] It's going to match everything.

[56] It's like a grandma and there's like seafoam happening.

[57] It's a seafoomy apartment.

[58] Everything.

[59] It makes me so...

[60] Thank you so much, Karen.

[61] You're welcome.

[62] I got you up.

[63] I'm going to catch a moonbeam in my pocket.

[64] Save it.

[65] This is our first live show.

[66] Look at it.

[67] I'm nervous.

[68] I'm nervous.

[69] Are you nervous?

[70] I'm nervous.

[71] Let's talk it through.

[72] Okay.

[73] What do you think it could happen?

[74] That's nerve -wracking.

[75] It already happened.

[76] Off the...

[77] What?

[78] nothing.

[79] Dusty cat picture?

[80] No, nothing.

[81] Everything's good.

[82] This is great.

[83] But what's your, we're just working through worst fears.

[84] Like, farting comes to mine.

[85] Oh, ex -boyfriend right there where you can't stop making eye contact.

[86] Well, that's his fault, not yours.

[87] Good one.

[88] You know?

[89] What's yours?

[90] Mine is saying something is so stupid and then like silence.

[91] You know what I mean?

[92] Everyone laugh at that.

[93] Thank you.

[94] Wow, Jeb Bush.

[95] That can't have felt good?

[96] Everybody laugh at that.

[97] Because when we're doing it in my apartment, it's like we're just talking to each other.

[98] I know.

[99] Let's just, I'm going to pretend we're talking to each other.

[100] Good plan.

[101] Because you still have to talk to me. I insist.

[102] Okay.

[103] Yeah, we're very excited.

[104] It's obviously we can't do our normal house cleaning.

[105] I mean housekeeping.

[106] Oops, I messed up my line already.

[107] Housekeeping.

[108] Housekeeping.

[109] Housekeeping.

[110] Do you have any?

[111] I don't.

[112] Oh.

[113] Yes, I have one, but it's like heartfelt and touching housekeeping.

[114] It has nothing to do with me not knowing the capital of Norway, or whatever the fuck, ignorance is exposed on this goddamn podcast every week.

[115] I used to think I was super smart.

[116] You should have seen me in the 90s, fucking playing Jeopardy at home and shit.

[117] Now I'm like a shell of a woman.

[118] So, um, uh, dust in the head of Farrell Audit.

[119] forwarded this email to us the other day.

[120] Who also brought us fucking flowers.

[121] And he brought us double roses.

[122] Yeah, that's right.

[123] That's fucking exactly how you do it.

[124] Who's that character?

[125] So this is the email he sent and it says some of you will recognize this if you've listened to the podcast recently.

[126] Hi, Karen and Georgia.

[127] Oh my God, just heard your podcast about me. You two made me cry and feel so honored While my attack was horrible, hearing you two reminded me that my story might help other women.

[128] Thank you for this gift tonight.

[129] It's been 21 years.

[130] I'm raising my son and daughter, trying to prepare them for a crazy world.

[131] My attack is now part of my DNA, just who I am.

[132] But you honored me by reminding me, even me, that stories of survival remind us all of the gift of life and challenge of our survival.

[133] Call me. And she gave us her phone number.

[134] It's Jennifer Mori.

[135] The chick who, yeah.

[136] Woman who got attacked by the security guard story.

[137] Who held her open neck, closed with a towel?

[138] She doesn't hate us.

[139] She wants us to call her.

[140] She is super into it.

[141] What the fuck?

[142] We're gonna fucking call her.

[143] We can't do it now.

[144] That would be an invasion of privacy.

[145] Jennifer, we're all here.

[146] Jennifer, what color towel held your neck together?

[147] That's bananas.

[148] Because, like, I feel like we're both always afraid that we're, like, you know, we don't want to make any victims feel that we're just, like, exploiting them.

[149] There's so many, there's so many potholes to fall into.

[150] Sure, and this is just, like, I know you were really happy to get this, like, nice fucking email from someone that we talked, like, that's bananas.

[151] Well, also, I'm so obsessed with the show I survived that Jennifer.

[152] Right, that too.

[153] Jennifer Mori is, like, one of my real housewives.

[154] only she did something way fucking cooler.

[155] Like she's a badass.

[156] Also probably a housewife.

[157] She deserves to be a housewife at this point, though.

[158] I mean, like, take your fucking day off, man. Well, that's the cool thing is she's an attorney.

[159] And she's a victim's rights advocate, so she's going for it.

[160] We have no excuse.

[161] We have to leave this podcast festival right now and help someone.

[162] Let's go.

[163] All of us.

[164] We just make everyone leave the podcast.

[165] And become victims' rights advocates.

[166] Tonight.

[167] Children, tonight.

[168] Tonight, near the Beverly Center.

[169] There's a van outside signing everyone up, and we'll know if you don't do it.

[170] What else?

[171] Oh, well, I don't want to do it.

[172] We have shirts.

[173] Just do it.

[174] It's fine.

[175] We have shirts.

[176] There's new shirts.

[177] It's fine.

[178] They're pretty good.

[179] Have you seen them?

[180] They're fucking pretty fucking cool.

[181] We're really excited about them.

[182] Our friend Kat Solon, who's this, like, really awesome, like true crime -obsessed director.

[183] and like creator and artist design them for us and they look like they look like book covers from the 60s of like Valley of the Dolls stuff and whatever it doesn't.

[184] Anyways, let's move on.

[185] Are you going to bail out of every time?

[186] No, just that one.

[187] And there was a murder.

[188] Anyway, keep moving.

[189] Just keep talking.

[190] It's fine.

[191] All right.

[192] I feel like there was another thing that we were supposed to mention.

[193] You guys, They're used to this already.

[194] Except Stephen edits this part out.

[195] Yeah, that's right.

[196] This is all going to get pulled.

[197] From the podcast.

[198] Drink it in.

[199] All right.

[200] I guess we just bring out our guest.

[201] No, let's just do it.

[202] We only have 90 minutes.

[203] So after we interview each and every one of you, I think then we're going to go to the cards.

[204] Well, our guest tonight, excitingly enough, is one of the, host of the dollop and he was my first comedy boyfriend.

[205] So please welcome the stage, Dave Anthony.

[206] That's awesome.

[207] Hi.

[208] You guys are at a table and I'm over here.

[209] I don't get in here.

[210] Let's scoot it on over.

[211] I can't get on.

[212] Charlie Rose this thing.

[213] I have sciatica.

[214] How is that, by the way?

[215] I had a friend in New York who had the sciatica thing.

[216] How did she cure it?

[217] Oh, she didn't make it.

[218] That's awful news.

[219] I probably shouldn't have brought that up.

[220] sake.

[221] You know what?

[222] I don't remember how she but you probably get a lot of suggestions.

[223] I'm getting so many but very nice ones.

[224] Thank you everyone.

[225] That's good.

[226] I remember her going through it.

[227] It was terrible.

[228] It sucks.

[229] What are you going to do?

[230] I had a little back thing.

[231] You know, some people have war in their country so it's hard to complain about.

[232] You know what?

[233] Don't complain about your own pain because people have been to war.

[234] Yeah.

[235] So, that's actually in America's next top model quote that I just love.

[236] I'm not kidding, there was some girl, like, you know when they do the, like, the gosies on the show, and they have to run around and, like, find their own way, and there was one girl who was, like, from fucking, like, Croatia and she, and they didn't make it to a gosy, and the other girl who's, like, from fucking, you know, Utah was like, freaking out and crying, and the, the Croatian girl goes, some people have war in their country.

[237] That was, like, 10 years ago, and I still say it, because it's so true.

[238] Well, but that's a classic Croatian saying.

[239] I mean, they'll always have the one -up because they can always throw that in your face.

[240] It's like, I get it.

[241] That accent where you're like, oh, right.

[242] Some people bring war to your country.

[243] That's our country.

[244] Dave, will you please tell us about your favorite murder?

[245] Oh, my God.

[246] This is our first guest favorite murder.

[247] I went back and I was like, well, they've had to have a guest.

[248] on and you guys had no we don't very first we expressly do not yeah Elvis and Stephen are the only people we've had in the podcast so my uh favorite murder by I took a really great picture of us and I just posted it I think uh did we know it's gross it's me it's me in Georgia is my nose I'm picking my nose it's me in Georgia backstage she is my favorite ghost.

[249] Georgina Hoobostank?

[250] Oh, there's she has.

[251] That's Georgina Hobo Stank.

[252] Spin off.

[253] Oh, I turned off on my thing.

[254] Fucking asshole.

[255] I never called you a fucking asshole for that.

[256] So I grew up near Karen.

[257] I grew up just south of her in a place called Marin County.

[258] In Muran County, we have a place called Mount Tamil Pius.

[259] Yeah.

[260] Just the one.

[261] Been there.

[262] Some really fucking great things happen on Mount Tammal Pius.

[263] Yeah.

[264] Oh, this says shark attacks So let's bring up the actual One I've got to go to my email Oh, we didn't tell you there's no notes No you guys have to stand and recite You guys have been reading Wikipedia I've been listening It's not as fluid I skim Wikipedia Right and then you get Crackion Corner Yeah It's made us millions of dollars I do a carefully crafted podcast which makes us much less money than that Okay That sounds boring But it's uh Oh I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry Some guy One time on Twitter All soon he comes out of nowhere And he goes You get a stupid podcast You just read Wikipedia You talk about it And I was like Yeah I mean I don't know That's your new tagline That's what I'm doing.

[265] Yeah.

[266] It's fun.

[267] That's it.

[268] But then I got in trouble so you don't do that anymore.

[269] Okay, so I put a date on May 6th, 1930.

[270] I can't not do that.

[271] It's called a mashup.

[272] It's called a crossover.

[273] It's called a mixtape.

[274] Okay.

[275] So David Carpenter, and you obviously know I was doing this one, because who else would I do from Marin?

[276] Yeah.

[277] So he's born in San Francisco.

[278] Raised by very strict and aggressive parents.

[279] Alcoholic father, beat him up.

[280] neglected him.

[281] His mother was very domineering and nearly blind.

[282] So that's like...

[283] How to make a murderer.

[284] I mean...

[285] 101.

[286] I mean, how did it not murder at three?

[287] Yeah.

[288] Wait, blind and aggressive.

[289] What does that look like?

[290] What does it be a light?

[291] It's messy.

[292] There's a lot of punching of you and then like a wall.

[293] A lot of lamps broken in that house.

[294] not a flower stayed in a vase through his whole childhood Ah, get over here I'm punching things So when he was seven He was stuttering so badly He had a difficult time At any social situation See, what she just did I just delivered backstage That's why we don't do Terrible really really terrible murder something that dog Because neither I or Gareth Would go, oh Ever And then it's a different show where you're like, what fuck are these guys doing?

[295] It's called the humanity.

[296] Oh, look.

[297] Empathy helps.

[298] So he's stuttering horribly.

[299] Then he was being ridiculed, which made him painfully reclusive.

[300] To get him over this, his parents forced him into extracurricular activities.

[301] Oh, I've been there.

[302] Such as piano and ballet.

[303] Oh, dude.

[304] That old blonde.

[305] bitch.

[306] Fuck her.

[307] Mass of aggression.

[308] If not overt aggression.

[309] She can't even see him doing ballet.

[310] I know.

[311] So, Ollie, that did not help his crippling stutter.

[312] He then began to take out his frustrations on animals.

[313] And he became a bedwetter.

[314] Ding dong.

[315] We've got two.

[316] We've got two so far.

[317] When does he hit his head in ballet class?

[318] To give us the majestic.

[319] trifecta of serial killing then when he became a teenager he started molesting children he was arrested for molesting his two cousins, three and eight he served a year for that crime good as you do you're going to enjoy the sentences in this one and then he was released he became even more of a predator, continued molesting, until he met a woman Ellen Heedel who had no sense of anything and they got married.

[320] She's like, you seem so fucking weird and your family is crazy.

[321] Let's get married.

[322] I want to lock this down.

[323] He worked at different jobs.

[324] He was a ship's purser.

[325] My dad was a ship's purse.

[326] He is.

[327] I have no idea what it is.

[328] I think you run around giving ladies purses.

[329] No. It's gopher from the love boat.

[330] You just carry bags and stuff.

[331] That's it.

[332] So you're like a bellboy on a ship.

[333] Right, exactly.

[334] It's a bellboy, yeah.

[335] Yeah.

[336] I wasn't sure what it was.

[337] I just, I, I assumed someone here would know.

[338] Karen, comes out.

[339] It's Karen.

[340] He was also a salesman and a printer.

[341] He had a very serious need for sex and was very demanding.

[342] He needed to have sex three times a night.

[343] He waved it, he saved it all till the nighttime.

[344] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[345] He wouldn't sprinkle it throughout.

[346] One morning, one after, like, come on, everyone.

[347] Come on.

[348] He needed it a night.

[349] Okay.

[350] Night hours.

[351] He's a night fucker.

[352] Trying to read it.

[353] look over here.

[354] Well, you do what you do and I'll do what I do.

[355] Come on.

[356] So, I always find the buildup to people fascinating how they got there.

[357] In the dollop, it's always, and then their mother -father died when they were three.

[358] Every story.

[359] Everyone.

[360] And then I assume you guys get a lot of bedwetters.

[361] Oh, yeah.

[362] Heading heads all the time.

[363] Mean dads, bedwitters.

[364] Oh, yeah.

[365] Step -dads.

[366] Jesus fucking curse.

[367] So he had three children.

[368] with her, and then he began prowling again.

[369] In 1960, he became friends with a woman, Lois D 'Andre, no D 'Andrade, and he invited her to meet his wife and started including her in their lives.

[370] Then one day he took her to work, but instead of doing that, he drove her to a wooded area of the Presidio, which at that time was the Army base, and pretended like he was lost.

[371] At some point he grabbed her, straddled her, bound her with a clothesline, and using a knife, he threatened her and forced her to be sill.

[372] he said he had a funny quirk that needed to be satisfied real funny it's not ballet right it's not and then he put on a tutu this is terrible she then tried to get away and so he hit her several times with a hammer oh fuck now before and during the incident he completely lost his stutter his speech was slow and deliberate and angry wow yeah thankfully there was an MP on the base and he was very suspicious watching the car watching a woman getting hit in the fucking air I don't like the light and look to that knife I don't know I would be too she seems to be crying near the knife so so he heard and then he heard the cries for help and he was near so he came over and carpenter got out of the car and shot at him and missed and then the MP shot back and hit Carpenter in the leg and I think the back Carpenter was arrested, but he said his excuse was that he blacked out during the whole attack, which is solid.

[373] Yeah, let him go.

[374] It's a solid excuse.

[375] I don't remember hitting over the hammer.

[376] I think I was napping.

[377] He was given a 14 -year sentence.

[378] Not enough.

[379] That's it.

[380] That's the story.

[381] Yeah.

[382] Oh, well, thanks for being here, day.

[383] And then for some reason his wife divorced him.

[384] I don't know why.

[385] during his stay in prison psychiatrists reported that Carpenter has a quote sociopathic personality disorder and an IQ of 125 Well that's too many IQs You're smart Amount makes me nervous That many?

[386] That's more than me for sure More than I In 1969 He was freed after years.

[387] Being a catch, he remarried four months after getting out.

[388] Fuck!

[389] No, but look, he'd been doing push -ups and he got that one tattoo and he was like, I'm going to put a cigarette in the corner of my mouth and stuff.

[390] You think it sounds bad, but then if you see prison trim, like just a trim dude, you're like, all right, well, the other stuff, the stutter, the killing of animals, the molestation, the beating of a woman with a hammer.

[391] The toe shoes.

[392] He looks good.

[393] He looks.

[394] You can look past it.

[395] You can look past it.

[396] Yeah.

[397] But in under a year, he returned to his ways and the marriage was over.

[398] Then he hit a woman with hit.

[399] So he, he drive, so there's a woman driving and he hits her car.

[400] And then he pulls her out of it and starts ripping her clothes off in the middle of the road.

[401] Terrified of this.

[402] I think about this all the time.

[403] What?

[404] Someone intentionally hitting your card so they can pull all your clothes off Oh, I mean, but who doesn't?

[405] They, like I was at State Farm Insurance the other day and they brought that up.

[406] What a common accident situation?

[407] Yeah, they're like, have you, I know you've been any fender betters, but has anybody ripped your clothes off?

[408] And I was like, no. Have you been any?

[409] Thankfully, not yet.

[410] There was a bender pulley offer.

[411] What?

[412] Where are you?

[413] It's a, it's a, I'm going to describe that as a unique anxiety that you have.

[414] So she fought him, and then he stabbed her.

[415] She somehow managed...

[416] I have an anxiety about that.

[417] Weirdo that way.

[418] She managed to get back in her car and get away, and she got his license plate.

[419] Fuck, yeah.

[420] That kind of shit fucking amazes me. Can she email us and tell her to call us, please?

[421] She's like, she probably had, like, crazy, like, 30, 20 vision, and she was just like just like blowing people up with her mind.

[422] It's like, you're going to pull my clothes off, I'll fucking memorize every letter on your license plate.

[423] Amazing.

[424] His license plate was like a vanity plate of like, kill, I'm a killer.

[425] Love to kill.

[426] So figuring that he was probably up Schitt's Creek at this point, he broke into a home, kidnapped, and raped a woman, and stole her car.

[427] Two days later, he snatched Sharon O'Donnell and held her with a shotgun, but when he tried to switch license plates on his car, she escaped.

[428] He then stole another car.

[429] Later that day, he kidnapped and raped another woman, and he was arrested later that day.

[430] This was February 3rd, 1970.

[431] He was going for it.

[432] Top day.

[433] You have those days, we're like, I'm going to fucking tick every checkmark on my to -do list.

[434] I'm going to get shit done today.

[435] I'm sick of it.

[436] I will go to Home Depot.

[437] I will drop those clothes off at the Goodwill.

[438] I will rape a ton of of people.

[439] I just have to do it.

[440] Oh no, but this is the podcast where we get fucking thrown because we're just like being so mean right now.

[441] Too bad.

[442] I can't live that way.

[443] I can't live under that pressure.

[444] I've got to be me. This works.

[445] That's why this works.

[446] So he was sentenced to seven years for Knapp and Rob Raub and he pled out.

[447] He also received two more years for his parole violations.

[448] He got out in May 1979, but was not listed as a sex offender.

[449] No. Yeah.

[450] I mean, why would you?

[451] No. He didn't do anything.

[452] He offended, but it wasn't sexual.

[453] He took up hiking as a hobby.

[454] Alone in the woods.

[455] Perfect.

[456] But not like other people, he liked the seclusion of the wilderness because it helped him grab a clown.

[457] He was a clown hiker.

[458] He liked to grab women, so that's the perfect place.

[459] Just three months after being released, while living at a halfway house, he committed his first murder.

[460] On August 19th, 1979, Edda Kane, 44, was walking on the trails of Mount Tamil Pius, which overlooks Golden Gate Bridge, which is also where I grew up riding mountain bikes right next to my house.

[461] It's also where I asked my wife to marry me. I didn't tell her this part.

[462] That's why it works.

[463] I love you, and there's some other stuff we'll get to.

[464] later.

[465] Like a week, we'll talk about it.

[466] But this is a weird spot.

[467] So Edda was alone, like, and she was attacked from behind, forced to get on her knees, and begged for her life.

[468] And then he shot her in the back of the head, execution style.

[469] Fucking dick.

[470] Yeah.

[471] He, her body was found the next day.

[472] He had taken $10 from her wallet, credit cards, and her glasses, and left very little evidence.

[473] Witnesses said they saw two lone men One was blonde and acting strange The other had on a dark blue jacket That made him sweat And he hit his face Which one is it?

[474] I mean clearly the guy walking around Acting Strange Smoking Pot And then the guy hiding his face Is the fucking killer Yeah Well there's one guy I can wear With he's blonde And there's another guy It's like Also wearing a jacket When it's hot It creeps me out so bad That immediately gave me a stomach Ake to think about that Yeah The only the fucked up people wear jackets when it's hot.

[475] Just like a weird jacket.

[476] No, you're a murderer.

[477] They should be able to just arrest people wearing jackets on hot days.

[478] You're a murderer or you're anorexic and you're fucking cold all the time.

[479] Yeah, that's right.

[480] Either way, they should arrest them both.

[481] Totally.

[482] I just spit on my iPad.

[483] Said from us.

[484] So this guy was clearly carpenter.

[485] For brief time, people living in the area were freaked out, including young Dave Anthony.

[486] But then things went back to normal.

[487] Like, Nothing happened, everything went by, and then everyone started walking the trails again.

[488] He was released from the halfway house he was living in.

[489] So when he did that, he was living in a halfway house, and he went to live with his parents.

[490] Remember?

[491] I'd be proud of him.

[492] Old blind bitch?

[493] Right.

[494] And whoever the dad was?

[495] Yeah.

[496] Why would you?

[497] Okay.

[498] Got to go to the source.

[499] She's like, you can live here again, but you have to do ballet more.

[500] Put on this apron.

[501] He somehow found a way to pass as a. normal productive citizen.

[502] He took courses in computer printing at a trade school and graduated a degree.

[503] Then in spring you went back to killing.

[504] In March...

[505] Like pressing prints is boring.

[506] Right?

[507] You get stuff done and then you're like, I gotta get back to my hobby.

[508] This computer printing is really stressing me out.

[509] I gotta relax.

[510] March 23 -year -old Barbara Schwartz was walking on Mount Tam when a thin athletic man walked up to Schwartz and her dog started barking at him.

[511] He had dark hair and wore hiking boots.

[512] He quickly just started stabbing her with his 10 -inch knife.

[513] Fuck, man!

[514] She was stabbed 12 times, she collapsed, and he ran off, and she was dead.

[515] Now, the reason we know this is because this was all seen by a woman who was standing in the trees.

[516] Wait, what?

[517] Watching.

[518] So some woman just was sitting there standing in the trees.

[519] I mean, look, everybody's a weirdo.

[520] That was a misprint in the fucking newspaper.

[521] What they didn't say is she had a wet nightgown on.

[522] Ma 'am, are you all right?

[523] There haven't been women around here in 25 years.

[524] There's no woman in the trees.

[525] What a terrible story this is.

[526] And that's the tag on of our podcast.

[527] What a terrible story.

[528] What a terrible story.

[529] It's not a great one.

[530] I never thought I'd be reading this in front of 400 people.

[531] This is not 400 people.

[532] now that's your anxiety talking so right seen by woman in the trees unfortunately she described a carpenter horribly and the investigation would be misled for years because of her terrible description shocking she's crazy other people other people in the area said they saw a man wearing glasses who looked about 40 that was carpenter the knife was sound days later Could that woman have been, like, an egret or something?

[533] They're just, like, a bird standing in the forest.

[534] That's a terrible description.

[535] So, mustache, yes?

[536] I don't...

[537] Okay.

[538] So the knife was found days later, and a TV reporter handled it destroying the fingerprints.

[539] Uh, no. This is 1970?

[540] Uh, this is 79.

[541] The guy's like, touching touching.

[542] He's just like super into touching things.

[543] What a story.

[544] They're gonna love this across the bay.

[545] Uh, 1979 is not that long ago.

[546] This isn't Jack the River.

[547] We totally had fingerprints figured out at that point.

[548] But other than that, just touch away.

[549] Whoever gets there first.

[550] Carpenter also lost his prison.

[551] issued glasses during the attack.

[552] And what's so crazy as a child from the sketches, I totally remember the glasses.

[553] Yes.

[554] They're wearing them, right now?

[555] I mean, weird time to bring up.

[556] This is my hero.

[557] So, the next day, he went to an optometrist.

[558] Barbara Schwartz optometrist, the woman he had killed, to get new glasses.

[559] No. On purpose?

[560] No. no total just happenstance what the fuck now he had a very unique prescription and had the optometrist who was questioned by police been told about his unique prescription he probably went a bit able to finger carpenter right there and then and they had the glasses because the glasses came off so the cops had the prescription but they never thought to be like what do you think about it's 70 30 Oh, my God.

[561] So now again, people living around the area are totally freaked out, not going near Mount Tam again, and then again, time goes by, and people start going back to Mount Tam.

[562] The flowers are so pretty.

[563] It's hard to stay away.

[564] There's great trees, and there's a woman standing.

[565] And they grit like woman standing with a wet rope.

[566] Wet rope, that's fine.

[567] So on October 15th, 26 -year -old, Alderson was sitting alone watching the sunset don't do it a witness a witness saw her and also saw a weird 50 -year -old man but decided against warning her oh well the wrong call but I'm sure he led a fine life with just him and his bottle of whiskey just sitting there going oh gluck yeah that's horrifying you would never forgive yourself you were that of course never it's awful that's the thing is like then just be rude go up to people and be like hi i know this makes me the weirdo but there's a weirdo over there yeah you know you you make the call who you hate or run away from but as a dude as a dude you walk ever go hey there's a really weird guy right come in close while i describe the guy can i drive you home let me drive you away from the creed he's got curly hair and glasses and like great pants and a roo choir you're I totally understand why you wouldn't say it but I also just What are the fucking chances man Like I see a weird like I see a weirdo Multiple times a day Yeah Looking in the mirror Okay so Anne was an escalation She was raped And then allowed to dress again And then shot with a single bullet Fuck Through the head He took her right earing And then propped her up to make it look like she was sitting against a rock she also appeared to have been shot while begging for her life and he was just getting rolling Shana May was supposed to meet friends on November 28th in Point Reyes National Seashore to go hiking she was found two days later she was nude and had been raped and bound with picture frame wire shot three times in the head and dumped into a trench right besides her body was a second young woman 22 year old Diana O 'Connell she had also gone missing this time while hiking with friends What, what, what, what, what?

[568] Oh, this is the worst.

[569] One of her friends was faster and got ahead of her on the path.

[570] And her other friends...

[571] She's got out of the cut.

[572] You're not wrong.

[573] You're not?

[574] Because I had total empathy for that person.

[575] I was like, man, she just wanted to get up the top.

[576] And you guys were like...

[577] Oh, congratulations.

[578] You're up there.

[579] We're talking about, like, my new boy, I'm dating.

[580] And you're just like, bye.

[581] Bye.

[582] Watch my calves.

[583] Oh, are you.

[584] Okay.

[585] Then what about her other friend who was slower that was behind her?

[586] Oh, no. Who's the cut now?

[587] I can't choose anymore.

[588] There's so many to pick from.

[589] It's a weird thing to go hiking with your friends and then you all split up.

[590] No, we don't do that.

[591] That's why I don't hike.

[592] Or have friends.

[593] It's not worth it.

[594] so she also disappeared her friend saw nothing because they were so far heading behind so either friend it was as if they were all going and then the middle person and they got to the top and they're like where is she that's horrifying youink like off the trail and it was supposed to be horrifying yeah yeah um diana had been shot twice in the head a nearby a hiker nearby heard all the shots and it appears carpenter had killed them both the girls at the same time Wait, the...

[595] So the two girls were sitting side by side in a trench and he had killed them both at once.

[596] Yeah.

[597] Adina had also been strangled and raped.

[598] The police concluded one of the women had interrupted Carpenter attacking the other woman so he killed them both.

[599] Just really quick.

[600] I wish I could...

[601] We had a slideshow of Mount Tam right now because it is the most gorgeous place.

[602] It's so beautiful.

[603] The place where they take all the pictures of...

[604] San Francisco where you of the Golden Gate Bridge and then you see San Francisco behind it that's Mount Tam yeah wow it's it's where Elvis is from it's like it's got it's the most in it for natural you know whatever wonder I mean it's just the most incredible like we would go on field trips there all the time in grammar school mountain bikes were invented there yeah really it's uh yeah mountain bikes are invented so the idea that this man is that fucking like angry that he's going to like God's most most perfect place and fucking hiding and picking people off.

[605] And we all were just like, hey, you want to go to Mount Tam for the day?

[606] And you would just go walking and hiking out.

[607] Like, everybody would just be, Mount Tam would just go there for the day and just walk around.

[608] Yeah.

[609] Yeah.

[610] Crazy.

[611] It's crazy.

[612] Yeah.

[613] It's scary.

[614] Okay.

[615] So, that same day, two more bodies were found a half mile away.

[616] Jesus.

[617] Both had been shot in the head.

[618] What the fuck?

[619] He's in his berserker mode.

[620] Yeah.

[621] He's going crazy.

[622] Creepo bananas.

[623] I think they call it in court.

[624] you're a circuit court judge I am a circuit court judge this was my case this might be unethical but for the first time one of them was male Richard Stowers was 18 his fiance Cynthia Morland was 18 also they had been missing for quite some time since October 11th Ballistic now tied the murders together and suddenly everyone realized there was a serial killer on the loose on Mount Tam.

[625] Police were told to avoid the area alone.

[626] Wait, what?

[627] Yeah, I have a problem with that one.

[628] Wait, police were told to avoid.

[629] No, sorry, people.

[630] There we go.

[631] But also, I assume police also.

[632] You know what?

[633] I just want to say this.

[634] Police are people.

[635] There's all these hiking cops that are like, I gotta go up there, man. no please I have to warn you but also like they just found two two people who were killed together and then another girl there was two other four of her friends so not even alone no buddy system is not going to help you also he has a gun like it's like a knife one of you can get like skedaddle but like if there's a gun you're both fucked yeah yeah Karen you know I'm all about vintage shopping absolutely and when you say vintage you mean when you physically drive to a store and actually purchase something with cash.

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[667] Goodbye.

[668] So the press named him the trailside killer police local police reached out to the FBI for help okay the FBI came up with a profile he said he was shy reclusive and probably had a speech impediment and was unsure of himself in social situations he had no victim type but it was about opportunity he was like a spider waiting for a fly to come to his web he was white intelligent blue collar and had been in prison he would have also had a oh boy that's a word that corrected itself on this thing it would have had two or three boyhood indicators of starting a fire, bedwetting, and animal cruelty.

[669] Yes.

[670] So he had two of the three.

[671] The profiler concluded he had a speech impediment because of the locations of the attacks, quote, he has some kind of defect that really bothers him.

[672] How do they know that?

[673] They're so good because they're so good.

[674] I was just like, how do you do that?

[675] That's bananas.

[676] They were like sitting at a table across from him and they were like, tell us what, tell us about yourself.

[677] Yeah, that's what they do.

[678] They just interview all the criminals that come through on that, like, high level.

[679] There's, like, a whole department at the FBI that's just all about it.

[680] And it's fucking fascinating.

[681] Because he's killing in the woods, like, well, the guys, the guy's got a lisp.

[682] Is that awesome?

[683] Isn't that amazing?

[684] And then the FBI guy did this in the local cop event.

[685] Like, he's a party or he likes going out on boats.

[686] Like, it was totally not even remotely close.

[687] He's my brother -in -law.

[688] I'm positive.

[689] Where's a backwards hat?

[690] Listen to a lot of Sammy Hagar.

[691] He's got a truck boat truck.

[692] On March 29th, 1981, Ellen Marie Hansen and Stephen Hurtle, students at UC Davis were hiking in Santa Cruz.

[693] Now, this is about 80 miles south of Mount Tam.

[694] Carpenter walked up to them and threatened them with a gun, demanding Ellen let him rape her.

[695] She was not down with the plan.

[696] Steve begged to, to be let go, and then Carpenter shot Ellen point -blank twice in the head.

[697] Steve ran away, and he was shot in the neck, but he did not die.

[698] Wow.

[699] Steve gave police a great description of Carpenter, unlike the fucking woman in the woods, who was like, he looks like a hawk.

[700] Oh, no. She had seen someone be stabbed 12 times.

[701] Yeah, that'll fuck it up.

[702] Makes you squint.

[703] And then you can't get anybody's facial features, correct.

[704] And she was in a tree, the whole fucking guy.

[705] Oh, did I not mention she had grown into the tree?

[706] Oh.

[707] Yeah, she was part of the tree.

[708] Oh, she was some kind of an orc thing?

[709] Was she from Middle Earth?

[710] She was an ant.

[711] Oh, is it ant?

[712] I got deep into it.

[713] Others came forward and said they had seen Carpenter in the area and fleeing in a foreign car.

[714] Someone said the foreign car was a Fiat, which is hilarious because it was a very popular Moran.

[715] Do you remember that?

[716] Fiat's.

[717] Yeah.

[718] A composite was placed in newspapers and run on TVs, right?

[719] So now they have his drawing out there.

[720] It's running everywhere.

[721] A woman then called police and said she had met that man on a cruise to Japan 26 years earlier.

[722] And that was the woman in the forest.

[723] You doubted her that she came back hard.

[724] She's back.

[725] She's making right.

[726] Yep.

[727] On her wrong.

[728] And she said that the man had been bothering her and her daughter with inappropriate behavior and he had a stutter and he was a ship's purser.

[729] Fuck.

[730] And it was my dad.

[731] And he used to be a fireman.

[732] What?

[733] Mr. Carran.

[734] And she had his signature in a book which she still had.

[735] Why did that happen?

[736] I don't know.

[737] They used to love to get serial killer signatures before they really kicked it off.

[738] That was this thing in the 60s.

[739] This is the point when you're writing a script and you go, let's just hustle along.

[740] What about a lady on a Chinese cruise?

[741] That met the guy, 26th.

[742] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[743] People don't go on cruises anymore.

[744] No, no, no, no, no. Just have him do it.

[745] Okay, but there were a lot of men named David Carpenter in Northern California.

[746] So Carpenter then grew a beard.

[747] On May 2nd, Heather, Roxanne Skaggs told her boyfriend, she was 20, what's going on over there?

[748] Oh, I thought you guys were up to something.

[749] I saw it at the corner of my eye.

[750] I don't know.

[751] You were looking at each other.

[752] Okay.

[753] Yeah, we're going to jump on your back.

[754] But not right now.

[755] We're planning it for later.

[756] Don't worry about it.

[757] I'm going to move my chair.

[758] So Heather Roxanne Skaggs, 20, tells her boyfriend she's going to see David Carpenter to buy used car.

[759] she was a student at a place where Carpenter taught people how to use computer typesetting machines what the fuck kind of crazy time is this before leaving she gave her boyfriend the number and that address of David Carpenter and when she expected to return.

[760] Who the fuck does that unless they're creeped out by the guy, right?

[761] I mean you're never like here's all the information of this person she did not return the boyfriend went and confronted Carpenter which is fucking ballsy beyond words.

[762] Good for him.

[763] Did you kill my girlfriend?

[764] Carpenter said she had never come, and then the boyfriend called police.

[765] Carpenter's name raised a flag, as to Heather being lord, and Carpenter looked exactly like the composite drawing.

[766] Police then contacted his parole officer who immediately realized Carpenter fit into everything police were saying.

[767] But just then, when they called on the phone, and not at any point earlier.

[768] Oh, my God.

[769] You're talking about murdery David?

[770] Wait a second.

[771] he kept inviting me fuck that guy creeps me out shoot you know what I should have thought of this before I'm sorry I stopped watching the news because it depresses me but now I realize I didn't want to take it in all the time he came in Wednesday covered in blood and I was like this seems but then I had my book club and I don't know it all just kind of slipped my mind I don't care about anything anymore so so unfortunately this is where it's fucked up unfortunately car is where it's fucked out I mean this is where government records are like really guys so unfortunately carpenter had not shown up in the records of released inmates when they initially looked due to a technicality he'd been released by California prisons to serve a federal sentence so he was technically in federal custody so they didn't count him as a released prisoner so they could have with the records found him, because that first woman he killed, he left his prison -issued glasses, and they could have tracked him down right there.

[772] This is just like a three's company I saw a watch.

[773] It just is, this insane misunderstanding.

[774] Except for...

[775] Oh, you ropers.

[776] Come on, come on.

[777] So, the multi -agency task force started following him.

[778] Then one day they saw him carrying a back, and they approached him and they told him he was under arrest and at first he was confused and then he said please don't hurt me I bet they punched him right in the face the pieces quickly fell into place there was tons of evidence everyone saw who saw him was brought in to identify him Stephen Hurdle who had been shot in the neck IDed him out of a lineup six out of seven witnesses did the same Carpenter was formally charged in the murder and attempted murder in Santa Cruz.

[779] At his arraignment, he stuttered so badly he had a difficult time answering the judge's questions, which was simply to agree that his name was as stated.

[780] Heather Skog's body was found a couple of weeks later.

[781] His total number of murder victims was nine.

[782] He was tried in San Diego because of you could not do it in Marin.

[783] He was convicted and sentenced to die in the gas chamber, and he's still on death row in San Quentin.

[784] Is he still alive?

[785] Still alive.

[786] And he's our next kid.

[787] Everyone.

[788] Davy, get out here.

[789] Get out here.

[790] You fucking scamp.

[791] You son of a bitch.

[792] What is your problem?

[793] Fuck.

[794] So that...

[795] That's fucked up, man. That was...

[796] Between that one and the...

[797] I mean, I'm sure you guys had the...

[798] Richard Ramirez.

[799] Were you here then?

[800] That was fucking terrifying.

[801] No, I'm a baby.

[802] That one...

[803] I've never heard that.

[804] one before.

[805] That was amazing.

[806] Well, no one knows about that one.

[807] Yeah, I've never heard of it.

[808] Do you want to hear something really weird?

[809] When that, when the hillside stranglers were, you know, out in L .A., I was like, how the fuck can they call them the week on our trailside night?

[810] Like, I literally had a moment of, you can't do that.

[811] Yeah.

[812] It's our thing.

[813] You can steal our name.

[814] It's your property.

[815] But yeah, that, that was like, like, so for like a year and a half, we didn't go near the place that we all hung out on.

[816] Yeah.

[817] Because we were terrified of being murdered.

[818] I bet you drank a lot less beer that summer.

[819] Is it a summer?

[820] I don't know.

[821] Well, I mean, a year and a half, a year and a half is a...

[822] What?

[823] Just a...

[824] It's a long summer.

[825] That's bananas.

[826] I've never heard of that before.

[827] He was super bananas.

[828] I don't know why it kind of flew under the radar.

[829] Yeah.

[830] I remember being really weirded out that he was caught in Santa Cruz, like he...

[831] He went to the other place that looked exactly like Mount Tam.

[832] It's exactly the same.

[833] It has all these redwoods trees and it's like amazing looking.

[834] There's the little carnival there.

[835] Yes, there's a, yes.

[836] What?

[837] That's right.

[838] The Santa Cruz Boardwalk?

[839] Is that we're talking about?

[840] Why are you laughing at me?

[841] I guess I'm a little confused.

[842] There is a carnival area.

[843] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[844] And yet?

[845] He would go down and ride the roller coaster sometimes.

[846] It just doesn't encum.

[847] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[848] It's just not the whole area.

[849] That's not Santa Cruz.

[850] Well, there's also.

[851] So mountains.

[852] Oh, I didn't know that.

[853] Why would I care about mountains?

[854] You know there's TV you can watch in your apartment?

[855] And it's fucking great.

[856] You don't get murdered all the time.

[857] Sorry.

[858] Am I wrong?

[859] No, it's totally fine.

[860] It makes sense.

[861] Good one, Dave.

[862] Was it?

[863] Yeah.

[864] I feel uncomfortable.

[865] Why?

[866] I mean, that's okay.

[867] No, it's great.

[868] That's how it is.

[869] Because, okay, so.

[870] So our rule on the dollop is no, no child killings or doing horrible things of children, no serial killers, and no sexual assaults.

[871] You're on the wrong podcast.

[872] Yeah.

[873] But those are our rules.

[874] So it's very weird for me to read that.

[875] Yeah.

[876] Do you feel really good right now?

[877] I feel dirty.

[878] I think there's something about being a guy knowing that guys did that to women and you're like, it feels gross.

[879] Say you're sorry.

[880] I'm sorry.

[881] And now it's fine That's really all we're looking for That's all we need You know, that's hilarious My sister told me on the phone the other day When she was in college She was walking in Sacramento She was walking from Popeyes Down to another bar in Old Sack And there was a guy there It's like in Old Sacramento They made it look like an old western town So you're walking down a sidewalk That's like wooden planks or whatever And so she was walking She could hear a guy walking behind her Because he had spurs on.

[882] It was the sheriff.

[883] And, no, she could hear a guy walking behind her, so she turned around and goes, stop following me. And he goes, I'll stay right here.

[884] And then he let her walk.

[885] That's all we're asking for.

[886] That is awesome.

[887] Yeah, we might freak out every once in a while.

[888] We just want you to stay where you are.

[889] The Kilgaravs could be very intimidating in that situation.

[890] No shit.

[891] I know both of them.

[892] We don't really bring us straight.

[893] No, you do not.

[894] We don't fuck around.

[895] All right, should I go next?

[896] Yes, please.

[897] We're going down a line.

[898] What do you do?

[899] What do I do for a living?

[900] No. How do you do your stories?

[901] Well, I was trying to print it up, but Georgia would like us.

[902] Can Georgia have some more drinks?

[903] Vince, this is like the most emasculate.

[904] There he is.

[905] Oh, yeah.

[906] Wow.

[907] We watch wrestling podcasts.

[908] We watch wrestling podcast.

[909] Vince, I'm so sorry.

[910] He does the wrestling podcast, which, what's it called?

[911] With Matt McCarthy.

[912] We watch that.

[913] MacArthur.

[914] Yep, all right.

[915] Matt's very funny.

[916] So emasculating.

[917] I'm so sorry.

[918] I love you.

[919] It was a walk -on.

[920] It was a guest.

[921] It was a surprise guest.

[922] But this was a weird where you shook it out of them.

[923] Do you want to do yours now?

[924] You're like, yay.

[925] Thank you.

[926] Okay.

[927] I can't read.

[928] Well, I chose to, I wanted to do someone, I wanted to do someone really local.

[929] And so I googled Beverly Center serial killer as it's, as a, that was my dream.

[930] I decided to shoot for the stars.

[931] That's what I wanted.

[932] It's just a guy's stock in the Armani store.

[933] He's just pulling a piano wire around guys that come out of the Armani store.

[934] Too much cologne.

[935] There isn't one.

[936] There isn't one.

[937] I'm sorry.

[938] I just thought maybe if there was like it was an old location of something.

[939] from old Los Angeles, whatever.

[940] But then I remembered one that's semi -local and really awesome are the Wineville Chicken Coop murders.

[941] Do you guys know this?

[942] It's what the Clint Eastwood movie The Changeling was based on.

[943] If you don't know if you saw that or not, let me reenact Angelina Jolie's star turn as playing Christine Collins in The Changeling.

[944] My son!

[945] That was it.

[946] She did that.

[947] Oh, that's all right.

[948] That's all right.

[949] Don't clap.

[950] It was too, it was much too loud.

[951] But that's exactly how she did it in the movie 50 times.

[952] But great lips.

[953] Can we get my son for you again?

[954] Can we hear that four more times?

[955] She was in that movie, I remember watching him and going, she's distractingly beautiful.

[956] We were like, why would she be?

[957] You're like, nothing bad ever happened.

[958] No, nothing bad ever happens to this person.

[959] She's in a castle.

[960] The woman who was the mother wasn't that hot.

[961] Like, it wasn't like, in real life?

[962] Yeah.

[963] She was not.

[964] a hot mom.

[965] And that's all you wanted.

[966] But when you hear the...

[967] You didn't say it like it was fine.

[968] But when you hear this story, at the...

[969] Fair enough.

[970] At the end of the story, you'll think, oh, I wish the mom had been hotter.

[971] But go ahead.

[972] After you hear about this horrible child murder and death, you're going to be like, is the mom an aider above?

[973] Yeah.

[974] Because if this...

[975] If we're in a butterface situation...

[976] You know what I mean?

[977] Turn this bug at them.

[978] just shamed the shit out of her.

[979] The only way we could have sympathy for her is if she was Angelina Jolie hot.

[980] I just...

[981] There is a book by a man named Anthony Flacco called The Road Out of Hell, Sanford Clark, and the True Story of the Wineville chicken murders.

[982] It's got very good reviews on Amazon.

[983] I don't have time to read it.

[984] But if you want to...

[985] If you're looking for facts...

[986] If you're like murders are chickens...

[987] Yeah.

[988] Chickens are murdered every day in this country.

[989] No, no, no, no. This isn't my vegan podcast festival This is just to give you a sense This was such a horrible crime And such a stain on the community That Weindville permanently changed its name It's now called Miraloma Oh shit!

[990] That's how huge this was and bad it was It was 1926 Changed all the signs and everything Yo yeah, yeah, yeah The two signs they have They use the same letters I just kind of rearranged him into marilloma.

[991] What can we turn this into?

[992] Can we have a, we need a town with a bunch of bells.

[993] Maybe we can flip the doubley upside down.

[994] Mira, wait.

[995] No, is it?

[996] Yep, it's just upside down wine bill.

[997] I can see it right here.

[998] This is great.

[999] All right.

[1000] Gordon Northcutt was 17 years old when he moved to Los Angeles from Canada with his parents and when he was 19 he asked his dad to buy him a chicken ranch in Wineville as you do when you're 19 because you're like how do I how am I punk rock chickens that's how I'm going to do it I'll feed him and water them take care of the land so two years later he went back up to Canada and convinced his sister who still lived there to let him take her son his 13 year old nephew Sanford Clark back down to California to help him work on the chicken ranch and raise the chickens.

[1001] What?

[1002] Yeah.

[1003] Like, hey, I need some labor.

[1004] What's your kid doing?

[1005] Yes.

[1006] It was the 20s and so it was kind of common for young boys to have jobs and work and help the family out.

[1007] In any other situation when your uncle isn't a fucking creep -ass murderer, it would be like good for the kid.

[1008] Right.

[1009] But like...

[1010] But there's always that show.

[1011] Everyone's in the blue.

[1012] Yeah?

[1013] It's always that one time.

[1014] Motherfucker.

[1015] As I wrote here, the problem was Gordon Northcutt was the bad kind of uncle.

[1016] Oh, no. Oh, get used to it.

[1017] This is fucking dark as shit.

[1018] That was an uncle joke.

[1019] Brace yourself.

[1020] Yeah, she may, this makes my story look like a carnival on Santa Cruz.

[1021] Dare you.

[1022] Dare you.

[1023] The rivalry continues.

[1024] As a teen in Canada, he was accused of molesting a very young boy, but his mother claimed that He was innocent and would never be able to do anything like that.

[1025] So the police did not charge him.

[1026] Oh.

[1027] Oh.

[1028] My God.

[1029] What?

[1030] Mommy was like, nope.

[1031] I mean, which, you know, I used to be very bitter that my mother didn't participate in my life enough.

[1032] Like, she didn't come to my plays and stuff, and she was never at, like, a softball game.

[1033] And then I read this story of Gordon and his mother, and I'm like, I think it's for the best.

[1034] The rest of the family knew.

[1035] that he was volatile, and he once even beat up his own father.

[1036] Jesus.

[1037] And for that, he got a chicken ranch.

[1038] You know what, I get that.

[1039] That's something I get.

[1040] That's okay.

[1041] No, I know.

[1042] His father actually ended up spending the back half of his life in an insane asylum.

[1043] So the family had a lot of mental illness and a lot of criminals.

[1044] He had two, Gordon had two uncles that were also in San Quentin.

[1045] So not the greatest group from Canada.

[1046] Usually you people are so lovely and polite with your delicious chocolate.

[1047] But this guy was a fucking lunatic.

[1048] All right.

[1049] So he brought Sanford back down to work on the chicken ranch and immediately began abusing and raping him.

[1050] They would also, together, he would make Sanford drive into Los Angeles with him.

[1051] And so then they would drive around neighborhoods and he would ask boys if they needed extra money, if they wanted to take a job, if they needed extra money, and the boys would get in the car.

[1052] because Sanford, the young boy, was already in the car.

[1053] No, no, no. This was back, this was before.

[1054] Stranger Danger wasn't even on anyone's mind.

[1055] They were like, yay, strangers back then.

[1056] Go meet yourself a stranger, young America.

[1057] The posters on every bus stop.

[1058] All right.

[1059] So he did that so much that he realized he would go into either Riverside County or L .A. And pick up boys, molest them, attack them.

[1060] and then bring them back to their neighborhood.

[1061] And he...

[1062] And just drop them off?

[1063] Catch and release, right?

[1064] So, but he slowly started to...

[1065] Yeah.

[1066] I mean...

[1067] But he slowly started to realize that that was incredibly dangerous.

[1068] And that's when, which is how it always goes with serial killers.

[1069] That's when it escalated.

[1070] Get rid of the evidence, which is the...

[1071] Don't leave a fucking witness.

[1072] Yeah.

[1073] So he also did a thing where he put a help wanted out in the paper asking young boys to come and work on his chicken ranch and no one was like uh that's a fucking issue yeah everyone's like no I think young boys love chickens I think it would be it's probably best hey dad there's a man with a bunch of chickens can I go go on son yippee um yeah I wrote here like a sort of murder postmates that's awful boo boo Karen.

[1074] Well, it's just, it's just Craigslist.

[1075] Karen's turning on the audience all this out of the middle.

[1076] It's how I feel my most comfortable.

[1077] So he did this for two years.

[1078] Jesus.

[1079] And boys were disappearing without a trace.

[1080] So, um...

[1081] Do we know how many boys?

[1082] Well, yes, eventually.

[1083] But they don't know like the exact number because he was so fucking crazy that when he finally went to court, he kept admitting to all the murders then saying he didn't do it and saying he did four, then saying he did 50.

[1084] And the problem was he was so incredibly thorough.

[1085] He, what he did was he would kill them, take their bodies out to the desert, and burn them, and then take the bones from wherever he burned them and then dispose of them on the ranch.

[1086] So they had to, when the cops were finally raided the ranch and were looking, they were just fine, they were having to piece together tiny shards of bone from all different people.

[1087] This thing is a fucking crazy nightmare There's tons of buttons out in the lobby if you need any Yeah, I was I was going to say I was about to release some balloons I'm not going to do that now So they found a decapitated teenager's body in a burlap sack On the side of the road in La Puente Why did he leave him there?

[1088] Why did he leave a decapitated boy?

[1089] They think that happened because he Like found him, attacked him, killed him in all one spot and then decapitated him thinking if they don't have the head, they won't ever find out who it is.

[1090] Interesting.

[1091] It's a little lazy though, considering how thorough he is.

[1092] Yeah, escalating.

[1093] Well, this was his first one.

[1094] So, you know, he's just getting warmed up.

[1095] So, don't you worry.

[1096] So then in March, that's when he, Walter Collins was going to the movies.

[1097] His mom had given him some money.

[1098] She went to work.

[1099] He was walking down to the movies, and he pulled his old, Do you need extra money thing?

[1100] Yeah, chickens get in the car and he did.

[1101] So he disappeared like without a trace because his mom was coming back from work like really soon.

[1102] It wasn't like some long thing that he was by himself.

[1103] And that story, his disappearance and the manhunt that happened after that was just blew up.

[1104] It was huge and it was a nationwide story.

[1105] Then in May two brothers, Lewis and Nelson Winslow, age 10 and 12, disappeared on their walk home from their model yacht club meeting in Pomona.

[1106] I mean, there's a great meeting.

[1107] Yeah.

[1108] Different yachts that were discussed.

[1109] When you think of yacht clubs, you think Pomona.

[1110] Yeah.

[1111] You know?

[1112] For sure.

[1113] You do.

[1114] Yeah.

[1115] For sure.

[1116] The rich, the elite.

[1117] So Walter Collins story is the one that gets focused on in the Changeling, and it is the most fascinating because these things that happen and are so fucking crazy aside from the kidnapping and murder itself.

[1118] So basically the LAPD at this same time was under investigation for mass corruption.

[1119] So they were already had really bad press.

[1120] They were really doing badly.

[1121] And then Walter Collins' disappearance, it was five months and they still hadn't found him or any trace.

[1122] They had no clues whatsoever.

[1123] So this is when they were the mayor and the police chief were selling you could buy to become a cop and once you were a cop then you could buy your way up so there were no actual guys who were doing law enforcement you just paid and then you become a detective Yeah now they pay you $30 ,000 a year and everyone's happy What just happened?

[1124] I'm sorry Go ahead and take that Bye Sorry, go on.

[1125] But, yeah, there were literally...

[1126] Well, actually, you know, what's funny is that's how my mother's great -grandfather, I don't know how many far away that is from me, but that's how he got into the Oakland Police Department.

[1127] Yeah, he's super crooked cop.

[1128] I come from a long line of crooked cops.

[1129] Well, yeah, they were just...

[1130] They were already doing bad soap, but this is...

[1131] Now, this is an example of the LAPD.

[1132] Like, they already, you know, they've had a hard time with it.

[1133] They've done...

[1134] They've done, they've mishandled many, many things, as we all know.

[1135] This one is unbelievable.

[1136] So after five months, they don't have a body, they don't have clues, they have nothing.

[1137] So they get a phone call that they have found a boy in DeKalb, Illinois, who is claiming to be Walter Collins.

[1138] Okay, we're in.

[1139] So they're like, this is amazing.

[1140] So they do phone calls and they, so the police department orchestrates this huge press, conference at the train station when he's going to show up and it's going to be like, and the happy reunion and the cops are the ones that did it.

[1141] So when the boy walks off, everyone's seen the movie or if you have, the boy walks off the train and Christine Collins is staying there and she's like that's not my son because it wasn't her son.

[1142] But he was in Illinois.

[1143] So the cop says why you take him home and try him out for a couple weeks?

[1144] She's like, what's that even mean?

[1145] Yeah, it's so crazy.

[1146] What it's basically saying is politics is more important than anything.

[1147] Move out of the picture frame.

[1148] And maybe women are so crazy if they're like...

[1149] But they must have been like, look, I know he's not your boy.

[1150] We need this one.

[1151] We need, we need a win.

[1152] What's the diff?

[1153] Man, just take one.

[1154] Please, the LA Weekly's here.

[1155] We're going to get our picture in every paper.

[1156] Meanwhile, where did that boy come from?

[1157] Well, I tell you.

[1158] Well, here we go.

[1159] Um, Um, so, uh, of course, three weeks later when she's living in a house of the boy who's pretending to be her son, which can you imagine how creepy that is.

[1160] He's, he's pretending and he won't drop it.

[1161] And she's sitting in the other room like, um, okay.

[1162] Uh, so she goes back.

[1163] Future killer.

[1164] Yeah.

[1165] He's up to no good.

[1166] So she goes back to Captain J .J. Jones is the man in charge at the time.

[1167] J .J. Yeah.

[1168] And she has.

[1169] Walter's dental records.

[1170] She has signed affidavits from witnesses who have met the son and say this is not Walter Collins.

[1171] She's a big stack of evidence.

[1172] It's not him.

[1173] And so the police chief did what any good civil servant would do in a situation like that.

[1174] He threw her in a mental institution.

[1175] Well, she was cuckoo.

[1176] I mean, for justice.

[1177] finally, they get it out.

[1178] And this, the only reason that any of this got brought to light is because she, when Walter first went missing there was this, it's a priest, or he was like a pastor and I'm not going to be able to say his name because it's crazy.

[1179] It looks like someone had a stroke as they were typing on MurderPedia.

[1180] It's like, that's not Polish and it's not Czech, like, there's a lot of Vs and E's and Zs.

[1181] So I was like, I'm not even going to cut and paste that.

[1182] That's how much I can't handle that name.

[1183] I support that.

[1184] But he basically was the one that got it on all the radio shows and stuff, like on, he made it because he had a, every Sunday he had a radio show, and so he talked about finding Walter Collins all the time.

[1185] So then when she was put into the mental institution, he was like advocating for her and trying to get her out.

[1186] So eventually they get out of the boy that he had run away from home because he had a really mean stepmother, and he had been on the road for like three weeks by himself, a nine -year -old kid.

[1187] And he was somewhere, there was like basically, he was in a restaurant in DeCatessen, And, like, an old hobo that was in the restaurant with him was like, you look like that boy that's missing in California.

[1188] And then the little boy hears California and goes, I'm going to go to California.

[1189] I'm going to say I'm him and go to California and meet Tom Mix, my favorite cowboy from the movies.

[1190] And so he tells the guy, I am Walter Collins.

[1191] And so he calls the cops, and they, Christine paid for his train ticket to come out.

[1192] This kid is smarter than all of us.

[1193] Yes, for sure.

[1194] And the kid got what he wanted Everyone else is fucked, right?

[1195] Yeah, yes Did he meet the cowboy?

[1196] He got to be in four Tom Mix films.

[1197] Oh, no. Karen, we believed you.

[1198] They really did believe me. I believed you.

[1199] You did?

[1200] Karen's always lying as she says.

[1201] Now I want to lie more.

[1202] This fucking thing.

[1203] All right, so, anyway, simultaneously, Sanford Clark's sister Jesse had been getting letters from him, but not that often.

[1204] He told her he would write her all the time, but he wasn't writing her all the time, and the things that he was writing in the letters did not sound like him at all.

[1205] It was, like, very vague information.

[1206] He wouldn't say, like, if he was okay.

[1207] So she was getting worried up in Canada, so she decided, I'm going to go down and pay them a visit.

[1208] And when she shows up, she's like, this is bad news.

[1209] Something is terribly wrong.

[1210] Because it smelled like dead boy everywhere.

[1211] Imagine how fucked up the place must have been if he's scattering boy bones.

[1212] I mean, well, no, it's, yeah, it's going to be like a Texas Chainsaw Massacre -esque situation inside the house.

[1213] She was horrified by their house living conditions and by the fact that clearly this, at this time, probably 14 -year -old boy was like made to work like hard labor every day and looked terrible like was shaken and whatever so she one night when the bad uncle was asleep she gets him to tell her what's going on and the story that he tells her is so horrifying she cannot believe it but they realize they can't do anything while she's still there because he'll probably just kill both of them so she acted like nothing happened she didn't know anything and then she went back to Canada and they went to the American can consulate.

[1214] Did she take the boy with her?

[1215] No. This was the two of their, it was Jesse and Sanford's plan that they couldn't act like anything happened because he would kill them.

[1216] But why?

[1217] I can't justify her choices.

[1218] Karen.

[1219] I wish I could.

[1220] I believe in them.

[1221] Karen, God damn it.

[1222] Tell us.

[1223] I know.

[1224] So, I wish I could.

[1225] So they contacted me. American consulate, the American consulate calls the LAPD.

[1226] Something else comes up about immigration so they end up sending two immigration officers out to the ranch.

[1227] And as they are heading out it's a big long driveway to get to the house.

[1228] So Gordon sees the cars coming and tells Sanford, stall them, I'm running for the tree line and if you don't stall them, I'll shoot you from the tree line.

[1229] And then he takes off running.

[1230] And he ends up escaping meeting up with his mother and escaping to Canada.

[1231] Then the cops get Sanford, and they're holding him, and he starts telling them everything.

[1232] And he, I mean, these stories are horrifying.

[1233] It's little boys held in chicken coops.

[1234] Him making Sanford either kill the little boys with him or do it himself so that he would also be complicit and not tell.

[1235] So basically, he had this little boy convinced it if he said anything, he was the one that was going to go to jail.

[1236] It's super crazy So fuck We have an audience This is so fucked I just realized Well this is I mean What are we going to do This is what we do No I know They know They're just making noises Sometimes Sometimes they laugh at home And sometimes they just grow And they fall on the floor Fuck you guys You just have to deal with all of it so when the police raided the farm they found axes covered in blood and farm equipment that was coated in blood and human hair.

[1237] There were bone fragments in several shallow graves around the ranch and almost all of them were linked to male children.

[1238] It was later proven that the unidentified Mexican boy whose head had been chopped off was one of Northcott's first victims and police later identified him as Alvin Gothia.

[1239] Sanford testified that Gordon made him burn the head and crushed the skull and scatter the bones.

[1240] Inside the house, they found a book that was believed to belong to the Winslow brothers, and several letters the boys tried to write to their parents, which is a horrifying idea that he's keeping them long enough, that he's going in and going like you can write a letter to your parents if you want to.

[1241] While nothing of Walter Collins was discovered, Sanford Clark remained adamant that he had been one of the boys kept hostage on the farm.

[1242] And according to the...

[1243] Oh, sorry, the police...

[1244] could only, only had enough evidence to prove three murders, which were the Winslow brothers and Alvin Gauthia, but they believe, at one point Gordon admitted to 20, they believe that there could be many, many more because he basically...

[1245] Well, how long did this go on?

[1246] For two years.

[1247] I mean, there's tons more.

[1248] Yeah.

[1249] And they just can't, it's, they're scattered, it's like they basically built it for two hide bodies, this ranch.

[1250] It's crazy.

[1251] So, I know, right?

[1252] Right.

[1253] So his mother, Sarah, was convicted of killing Walter Collins.

[1254] So it turns out when they go up to extradite him from Canada, he's caught with his mother.

[1255] And the mother says I killed Walter Collins and I killed a bunch of them.

[1256] It's a great mom.

[1257] No. Yes.

[1258] It turns out.

[1259] It's a mom that cares about her kid.

[1260] It's a mom who is willing to participate.

[1261] Right.

[1262] She.

[1263] We're saying the same thing, right?

[1264] Yes, I think so.

[1265] this is why I can't be a mom I'd be like take this fucking psycho you know what you do you're murdering out in the chicken coop I don't want to be a part of it no I will not take the blame no she she was one of the ones who said who encouraged him to kill his victims she was there from the beginning no this is what according to Sanford she was in from the beginning and was participating the whole time when they were in on trial she came out and said that she and she and Gordon were lovers.

[1266] She said that Gordon was the incestuous son of her husband and her daughter.

[1267] I mean, it was apparently the trial was in total insanity and total chaos, and every day there were like different horrifying headlines.

[1268] And she ended up, she was sentenced to life imprisonment, but she was paroled after 12 years.

[1269] Let's get her back.

[1270] What?

[1271] Yeah.

[1272] Yeah.

[1273] Fucking.

[1274] It was what I thought.

[1275] was proper at the time that was a joke where I'm the judge now I feel like my story was like an explosion of glitter compared to yours that's right during his trial Gordon demanded to represent himself so his two lawyers quit and then he crossed examined himself oh my God because he's insane and probably like grilling himself why did you kill the boys I didn't kill the boys He was found guilty, and he was hanged at San Quentin in February of 1929.

[1276] No, they got that done fast.

[1277] They were like, goodbye.

[1278] And as we've all seen, but Walter Collins' mother did go to San Quentin on the day he was being hanged to beg him to please tell her if he killed her son or not, and he fucked with her until they put the bag on his head and walked him up the stairs.

[1279] So she believed for the rest of her life There was a possibility that her son was alive That poor baby I decided to end on the downest note I possibly declined He went out strong Right Bad strong You got a little bit of credit He went out He's like you know what I'm gonna stay true to myself We're a fucking total asshole Yeah I'm taking it all the way to the chair Kanye Over here I don't know what that means You don't know what it means means?

[1280] I mean, it's Kanye.

[1281] I know, but it was fairly well applied.

[1282] Well, because Kanye, I don't know.

[1283] Millennials.

[1284] What's your Georgia?

[1285] Okay, that was great.

[1286] It's great the right word.

[1287] All right.

[1288] I'm going fucking, I'm going back to Australia.

[1289] Okay.

[1290] Because you did research here about the last one.

[1291] By the way, that one was fucking awesome.

[1292] Just throwing that out there.

[1293] Thank you.

[1294] Yeah.

[1295] Australia you got some fucked up shit going on over there, man so Mark Aaron Rust fucking murderer he was born I mean You're not gonna believe this Don't ease into it Don't creep up on that story You know the fame of this podcast No So he was born in 1965 he is a self -described loner.

[1296] He was 13 when he started following girls while fascinating about having sex with them, and he started exposing himself to women as a teen.

[1297] And he really liked the reaction of the women that he would expose.

[1298] Like, it was so creepy.

[1299] Like, he would masturbate in front of them and love that they were shocked and horrified.

[1300] Yeah, that's the whole thing about that's fucked up, man. Yeah.

[1301] All right.

[1302] He's described it as obese, disheveled, odorous man who expressed his limited vocabulary in a monotone.

[1303] He was like a creepy creepy gree.

[1304] Was this written by a high school cheerleader?

[1305] She's mean.

[1306] Georgia Hardstock.

[1307] So he was charged seven times with indecency offenses but was only fined never convicted.

[1308] What year is this?

[1309] He was born in 65.

[1310] It's probably like mid the late 70s or late 80s.

[1311] I mean, everything was cool in the 70s.

[1312] I get it.

[1313] They just were like, go ahead.

[1314] So he was creepy, he was weird.

[1315] He got, he got, he got, he married twice because they always do.

[1316] They always fucking do.

[1317] They must be great at small talk.

[1318] You know what I mean?

[1319] Yeah, but he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like a smelly, he's like, a lady go bowling, I mean, that's like.

[1320] I love bowling.

[1321] Works.

[1322] It's about pheromones.

[1323] Okay, so after his second marriage ended, his wife at the time's daughter, his stepdaughter claimed he had sexually assaulted her.

[1324] He was never charged but had to attend sessions with a sex offenders treatment program, but he left halfway through the first session because he thought the program was stupid.

[1325] Yeah, but that's I mean, let's not judge it until we know.

[1326] Yeah, yeah.

[1327] Until we take the program.

[1328] Right.

[1329] So he was working as a taxi driver in, so this is April 1999, and so Maya Jackick, she's 30, and she's walking in the neighborhood where he's driving a taxi.

[1330] Don't look at my notes.

[1331] It's too late.

[1332] I've read them all upside down.

[1333] All right.

[1334] She's a fucking sweet angel.

[1335] She's born in Croatia and 69, and she grew up in 19.

[1336] In 1990, she fled the country due to the Civil War with Serbia.

[1337] So she's, like, getting a better start in Australia.

[1338] She's a sales assistant in a clothing store.

[1339] And she's in this neighborhood for some fucking reason.

[1340] It's an upper -class neighborhood.

[1341] He sees her.

[1342] I like the details.

[1343] And he says to her, he says, want to lift in an Australian accent.

[1344] Like a, I want to.

[1345] Can you do it?

[1346] Do it.

[1347] I can't do the Australian accent.

[1348] They want a lift, mate.

[1349] No, it's not.

[1350] There we go.

[1351] That was peeky blinders.

[1352] And she said, you know, she's, she's a fucking, she's staying sexy and she's like, fuck yourself.

[1353] And he says, how about a root?

[1354] Which I guess in Australian means like.

[1355] Root means fuck.

[1356] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1357] And she says no and keeps walking.

[1358] He drives after her and parks in a spot she had to walk by.

[1359] He exposes herself to him and wanting to see her horrified face.

[1360] And this fucking amazing person.

[1361] doffed at him.

[1362] Not with a guy, not what he wants to have happened.

[1363] No. Oh, she was fine.

[1364] No, he does.

[1365] He snaps, grabs her, pulls her into this, like, bushy area, and tries to rape her and escalated to murder when he chokes her to death.

[1366] Then he covers her body.

[1367] She's like, in the bushes.

[1368] He covers her.

[1369] But he wanted her to be found in a creepy, fucked up way.

[1370] And it's like, abandoned building.

[1371] So he calls from a payphone nearby to 9 -1 -1 in this country, 0 -0 -0 -0.

[1372] Thank you.

[1373] And he says, hey, I was just walking by and there's a body.

[1374] I see a body.

[1375] And two of these things happened and the cops didn't find her body.

[1376] And so finally, he fucking, five days later, he fucking, after him calling multiple times, he puts a note like under a cop's windshield that says like hi there's a he says there's a dead girl's body in the he's like puts an arrow basically pointing to where it is he literally the last phone goes like do I have to draw you a map and he's like I'm drawing a map yes I've now engraved an invitation for you to come and see the body.

[1377] It's so sad yes and then they finally find find her, but they realize that the, like, calls and the fucking note has to do, like, clearly it's not.

[1378] They just hear from across the street, finally!

[1379] Yeah.

[1380] So, the release to the public, nobody fucking identifies the note or the voice, the calls.

[1381] Six days later, the body's found.

[1382] So he's in jail in late 1999 for trespassing, released on parole in 2001.

[1383] Ten days later after that, he grabs a woman and uh rapes her and sexually assaults her and then uh but she got out so she got away from him yeah yeah yeah so uh so mugumi suzuki suzuki she's an 18 year old smart wonderful japanese exchange student attending college in adelaide in 2001 she's going to be a counselor for internet.

[1384] Like, she's a good fucking person, you know?

[1385] And on August 3rd, she leaves class, and she's waiting at a bus stop, and Rust fucking spots her.

[1386] And he grabs her, tries to rape her, and he couldn't get an erection.

[1387] Which you know, pisses people like this off, right?

[1388] Well, pisses me. I feel like that's across the board.

[1389] Tell us.

[1390] Tell us everything.

[1391] So he tries to strangle her, but he can't.

[1392] And so he bashed her head with her fucking rock.

[1393] I know, Baby Angel.

[1394] And then he wraps her body and sheets.

[1395] And so he puts her in a rubbish bin, in a trash bin for everyone here, nearby.

[1396] And she's reported missing.

[1397] Her parents were like so sweet, fly from Japan to look for her.

[1398] Her purse is found like shortly after, but her body's not fine, and her like, poor boyfriend is like suspected of the whole thing and is like freaking out.

[1399] They search for her and at that point on August 16th he cuts the power to an office building and he goes in there's one female alone in the office building.

[1400] Holy fuck.

[1401] I know.

[1402] He went full fucking Halloween.

[1403] Yeah, don't work late is the fucking secret.

[1404] Wow.

[1405] I don't like this at all.

[1406] No. She's not dead though.

[1407] Okay, okay, okay.

[1408] She's it's his last victim.

[1409] She's raped he he like he like fucking overcame her and at one point he hands her the knife that he has to hold while he like does his unbuttoned stuff because he was getting he was like can you hold this while I take off my shirt yes yes she was like okay but the only reason she's alive is because she was like she went along with it shouldn't look at his face she didn't stab him with it no okay I know it's bananas it's this whole thing of like do you like fight for your life and do anything you can, or do you, like, go along with it?

[1410] But she made the right choice.

[1411] But who knows what that would have been?

[1412] It's so fucking insane to me. I can't.

[1413] So, uh, he didn't harm her.

[1414] He, and I do, and I have insomnia.

[1415] So, so this is how he gets caught.

[1416] So, so he, so that crime happens and then he leaves her and just leaves?

[1417] Doesn't kill her.

[1418] Doesn't kill her.

[1419] She's alive.

[1420] And then on the news, that they're like, they keep playing his recording up his voice over and over again and showing the note to, like, to see the handwriting, his Rusk's brother fucking hears it and sees it.

[1421] From the handwriting?

[1422] Yeah.

[1423] From the, he hears the voice.

[1424] And he's like, I listened to it like 10 times.

[1425] I went in the other room and played it so I could, like, he just was like freaking out about it.

[1426] It's Rusky, mate.

[1427] That's what he said.

[1428] Yeah, but he was like, but he knew his brother had like maybe molested.

[1429] but also like I have a cousin yeah and if I heard this story I'd be like yeah like there are people in your family you're like okay I got my eye on you yeah but the secret the secret is that's never who you think it is which makes me suspect everyone who I don't think it is but this guy's that he like that that guy who talks in the monotone voice and that weirdness like I literally have a cousin like this and I'm like okay Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they were like, 40 bodies.

[1430] I'd be like, oh.

[1431] Come on.

[1432] And his brother is like interviewed in one of these like ID shows and he's like a normal sweet dude and he's like, I was out of town for a long time and then I came back and the news was playing this shit and I was like oh fuck.

[1433] Like he knows it's his brother.

[1434] And then he sees the writing sample.

[1435] He like goes to the police and brings like a letter that his brother had written him and they like matched it up.

[1436] But this is only for the first murder.

[1437] But fucking good for him, because most...

[1438] What?

[1439] No, but most people in a family would be like, it's not him and convince themselves, it's not him.

[1440] Would you turn your family member in if you thought it was them?

[1441] Yeah.

[1442] Oh, yeah.

[1443] Fuck yeah.

[1444] Yeah.

[1445] A fucking murderer?

[1446] Yeah, I don't...

[1447] You would.

[1448] Yes, I would.

[1449] I would.

[1450] Like Laura...

[1451] I'll take this question.

[1452] Yes, I absolutely would.

[1453] All right.

[1454] Well, because here's the thing, when you...

[1455] It's like what you're saying.

[1456] I think everybody at least knows a person or has a relative or whatever where you're just like it's just like there's something going on so it's not like you'd be calling in all the time or whatever but if there was something where it's like undeniable evidence A undeniable evidence be and terrible result you have to get those people off the street and even if you do it and you turn them in and it's not them and it's fine it's like at least you tried something yeah I mean Christmas is weird it's so hard but there's a lot to talk about You know?

[1457] I got you a really big gift.

[1458] Freedom.

[1459] Exoneration.

[1460] All right.

[1461] So he goes to, they figure out it's him.

[1462] They fucking arrest him.

[1463] And while he's in prison, he confesses to a cellmate about Magumi's murder because he can't fucking, he needs to tell someone about it.

[1464] Also, he had her, this is the second woman, because he's convicted on the first woman because of her, of the calls.

[1465] The second woman, they didn't even know it.

[1466] It was connected.

[1467] And he has her CD player in his cell.

[1468] In his cell?

[1469] His cell.

[1470] But no, I mean, I'm going to, Anise.

[1471] What?

[1472] Supposedly they let CD players into fucking prison ourselves.

[1473] Well.

[1474] But now, I'm like, it's a good idea.

[1475] Because he brought her possessions into his cell.

[1476] And her parents were like, here's the receipt with the fucking number on it and they were able to match it up yeah yeah that's some good somebody did some good work there seriously yeah so what so he had put her in a rubbish bin and then uh they tracked the rubbish bin down they figured out when that bin had gone to the the dump they the cops fucking went through like bail by bail till they found the like the area where she had been in the dump so So, let's see, 11 days after they started searching, after 10 ,000 tons, but it's T -O -N -N -E -S, so I don't know if this is the same thing as tons.

[1477] How many is that?

[1478] I mean, if I, I was just in Australia, but if I know correctly, that's about 8 teaspoons.

[1479] After all of that, under all that rubbish, they fucking find her.

[1480] That's pretty fucking amazing.

[1481] It's amazing.

[1482] Not to disparage American cops, but I also think there's a, there's a, there's a, a financial aspect where they just go all right to go ahead and not look in the garbage dump totally they find her all of this stuff and he when they asked her why he killed her he says because I did piece of shit clearly he sentenced to two concurrent life sentences without parole he pled guilty to the murders of both the women Maya Jackick and Megumi Suzuki, he filed an application seeking the imposition of a non -parole period for killing them, but everyone's like, everyone in Australia is like, fuck you, that's never going to happen.

[1483] So he's in prison forever.

[1484] Fuck him.

[1485] Fuck him.

[1486] When you, when you did your last Australia story, did someone go, you got to know about this Australian guy?

[1487] No. They didn't?

[1488] No. I just, I have insomnia.

[1489] and I search murders constantly.

[1490] Maybe that's why you have insomnia.

[1491] Oh, I'm sure it's not.

[1492] Wait, what?

[1493] I never thought about that.

[1494] Have you seen all the date lines?

[1495] All of them.

[1496] Are you in love with Keith Morrison?

[1497] Oh, my God.

[1498] Keith leans on things.

[1499] Do you know this?

[1500] He really loves to lean.

[1501] There's an Instagram called Keith Leans on Things, and it's just Keith Morris leaning on things.

[1502] That's so bad.

[1503] screen grabs and then he came to the woman's house who made that Instagram and they lean on each other and they just want it.

[1504] My hero.

[1505] I love it.

[1506] That's pretty great.

[1507] I don't know how we're doing on time.

[1508] I think we're getting the...

[1509] Oh, that light means get...

[1510] I feel super dirty.

[1511] I know, I know, I know.

[1512] You're...

[1513] Apologize again to all.

[1514] And the last dollop we put up there were approximately a million penguins turned into oil.

[1515] What's this?

[1516] Yeah, it's a story I did.

[1517] Oh, okay.

[1518] And I took me two days to get over that.

[1519] It might take me longer to get over this.

[1520] Yeah.

[1521] We exonerate you.

[1522] Don't you feel good right now?

[1523] Like you're doing good.

[1524] You know what's funny is years ago I was talking to Karen about comedy.

[1525] That's me. She was like, he just did a joke about child murder.

[1526] And I just don't think it's funny.

[1527] And I don't think people should talk about it.

[1528] No, not our Karen.

[1529] Like people change, obviously.

[1530] this is a lie there's no way I said that ever who was it Ray James yeah I was not mad about the child murder this is not the Karen I know I was using that topic as an excuse to hate a person it's what we do it's what we do I don't do it anymore you don't have to either should we Oh, we have so many shirts.

[1531] What do we do about these shirts?

[1532] We're going to say goodbye and then we're going to throw shirts at people.

[1533] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1534] Oh, my God.

[1535] These are shirts by Michael Ramstad.

[1536] These are amazing shirts.

[1537] Thank you for sending us all your hometown murders.

[1538] Please keep sending them in.

[1539] We love them and they fuel our minisodes and they help us a lot.

[1540] Can I say thank you for coming to the podcast festival and supporting Miss Podcasts?

[1541] Thank you.

[1542] Because we book these guys really early on when they started they started popping up and I was like, I feel like something's happening here and sure enough a lot of people are fucking crazy.

[1543] And now we want to want a money.

[1544] My wife is a total murder I know.

[1545] We've talked about it.

[1546] Yeah, she's all about the murders.

[1547] I love it.

[1548] It makes me so happy.

[1549] I know.

[1550] Thank you guys so much so much for fucking you guys are, thank you so much.

[1551] This is our first live show.

[1552] this is so fucking exciting.

[1553] It was really awesome.

[1554] Of many, of many.

[1555] I hope so.

[1556] This is so great.

[1557] Thank you, Dave Anthony, for being a great first guest, the perfect first guest.

[1558] Yeah.

[1559] And I guess now we tell you to stay sexy.

[1560] And don't get murdered, but I have Elvis on that.

[1561] Wait, hold on.

[1562] Here we go.

[1563] Here we go.

[1564] Wait, do it again.

[1565] Stay sexy.

[1566] And don't get murdered.

[1567] This is what she tried, to play it for Gareth backstage.

[1568] Bye!