88 - Live at the Comedy Theatre

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[23] Hand lotion, like right as we were walking out.

[24] A little bit greasy for you.

[25] I'm not breaking my hands because I'm nervous.

[26] It's because...

[27] We've been waiting so long to see you, Melbourne.

[28] A bunch of your being here.

[29] This is, you're right?

[30] No. Yeah.

[31] But we're really, yeah, we're excited to be here.

[32] We bought a lot of stuff already today.

[33] You guys have cute things.

[34] Yes, some quality.

[35] Well, can we just start?

[36] Yeah.

[37] Can we start where I need to go?

[38] I didn't want to bring it up myself.

[39] No, it was mine to bring up.

[40] It's mine to bring up.

[41] We were just, George and I were just sitting in the bed, in the dressing room.

[42] You know in one of them light up mirrors like they have backstage at theaters like this, and we're just putting on pounds and pounds and makeup.

[43] Yep.

[44] Talking about stuff and whatever.

[45] Just slowly as we're chatting, I just started to tilt a little bit to the right.

[46] And in my mind, I was like, either you're tilting to the right or you have a very large brain tumor and it's about to get, the action's about to start now.

[47] And right as I was about to turn to Georgia to say, hey, are you tilting to the right as I am?

[48] The chair I was sitting and folded underneath me. Bigs of it broke all the way down to the ground.

[49] but I fell butt first with my hands toward Georgia eye contact the whole way and it was so slow and so sad and I have that problem of like laughing when people have unfortunate events this was your way of like helping me Georgia's like this was barely extended no A I was laughing way harder than that me I think I just went to you and hugged you, because I was like, this isn't going to go well.

[50] I kept thinking that I was going to be able to recover because so much time was passing.

[51] It was like, fucking January, February, March.

[52] So you were just laying there.

[53] This is going to end soon.

[54] This is going to end, but instead it just kept going.

[55] You were just slaying there laughing.

[56] Like, don't even get me up.

[57] A little bit folded up.

[58] And then Vince had to come in and pick me up off the ground.

[59] It was that.

[60] It was that major.

[61] Well, today, earlier...

[62] Hold on, I'm not done, no, because...

[63] I was going to share a thing that happened to me. I know, I just need to fully process mine, though, because...

[64] It's yours.

[65] It's your moment.

[66] I'm positive.

[67] Mine's worse.

[68] The waves of shame are still hitting me. No shame.

[69] No, so much.

[70] It was like the chair had been broken before, clearly, and was now duct tape together.

[71] And that's the story we're going with.

[72] No, I swear.

[73] When you bend metal with your ass Okay, what happened to you?

[74] Did you fall down?

[75] No, I did something dumb in front of a lot of people.

[76] Well, it wasn't, whatever.

[77] I was like, birthday in Melbourne.

[78] I'm going to go shopping, all kinds of vintage stuff.

[79] And I was like, I'm going to go sit at a cafe by myself and have breakfast.

[80] And like, wear a car.

[81] Yeah, I was wearing a scar.

[82] So I got all dressed up and I put makeup on.

[83] And I was like leaving the hotel with my headphones in.

[84] And, like, all these, like, dudes who, um, park cars.

[85] Valets.

[86] And I was just like, da -da, it was very, um, like, sex in the city.

[87] And then there was a step I didn't see.

[88] And I, you know, like, when I do anything, I make a lot of, like, very, oh.

[89] Like, I can just step off a step and not know it's there.

[90] And I fucking tweaked my back a little.

[91] And I did.

[92] And I turned and looked at the, one of the guys just to be like, can you believe, you know, just to be like, I'm okay.

[93] And he was just staring at me like he was disgusted at me. We're going to get him fired.

[94] Yep.

[95] So it's been a clumsy day.

[96] Hoo!

[97] Yeah, and then just one more just hit me. Oh, no. Yeah, it's just going to keep happening.

[98] No. Do do do, do, until I eat Prangles in my hotel room tonight alone.

[99] Do it.

[100] I will.

[101] You guys.

[102] What an amazing trip.

[103] We're in Australia, for Christ's sake.

[104] I had to tell you, when they first suggested this idea that we come down and do this tour, both of us were like, oh, we can't do that.

[105] Yeah.

[106] We can't travel.

[107] Can I get anxiety?

[108] We can't go far away.

[109] Yeah.

[110] It seemed impossible.

[111] Yeah.

[112] It seemed like a joke.

[113] Yeah, we'll go.

[114] Okay.

[115] Sure.

[116] Tell them we'll be there.

[117] Totally.

[118] But then it actually worked out.

[119] I think a big part of that was that somebody, and I'm not sure who it was, flew us first class.

[120] Ooh.

[121] That'll do it.

[122] Don't be jealous.

[123] I feel there's definitely some anger.

[124] We'll go anywhere if you fly us first class.

[125] We'll go straight to fucking hell.

[126] We'll be like...

[127] First class.

[128] We'd love to go to hell and do a couple shows.

[129] Yeah.

[130] Do they have a menu I can take a look at?

[131] Do they have a lounge that I can go to the first?

[132] All the people we talk about are there.

[133] It might actually be very dangerous for us to go there.

[134] But to make things fair and to make myself not get a big head, I stole something from first class.

[135] That's right.

[136] Georgia kept it super real in first class.

[137] It was a little like, fuck the man, joink, you know?

[138] Punk rock always with us.

[139] Also, but can I get another champagne, please?

[140] And I need a better pillow.

[141] So you got really excited because they served us food.

[142] You know I love that.

[143] That's not the part.

[144] I got really excited because they served us food.

[145] Everyone gets excited about food.

[146] Then Karen turned around in her scene and said to me, Did you see the salt and pepper shaker?

[147] Because they were a little pepper and a big salt in the shape of the Sydney Opera House.

[148] Yeah.

[149] Oh, my God.

[150] Yeah.

[151] It was, like, pretty adorable.

[152] I thought, I saw them.

[153] So.

[154] So then I had four wine with dinner.

[155] Or breakfast.

[156] We're not sure.

[157] We don't know what time it was.

[158] We still don't.

[159] They closed the shades.

[160] They turn the lights down.

[161] There was, like, you know, they put, like, fake twinkly lights up.

[162] So we're like, dinner, great.

[163] Wine.

[164] Yeah, I believe it.

[165] Dinner.

[166] Dinner.

[167] Wine.

[168] And then after dinner, I go backstage to go to the bathroom.

[169] and backstage you called it that twice is that because of the curtain yeah I know there's people are like bustling around working it reminds me of like what you know what you think life's really like which is like this everything's fake we're not really on a plane in the air it's like it's simulation and your brain so we go backstage where the action happens that's where all the clock work right it's for hamsters and a thing making the plane go exactly that's what we call help is just hamsters so everyone's working That's not true.

[170] Everyone's working and bustling around and I'm waiting for the bathroom and the lavatory.

[171] And, excuse me. The laboratory.

[172] Yeah, I'm first class now.

[173] And I'm like scrunched into a corner and I look to my left and there's like a big tray full of salt and pepper shakers.

[174] And everyone suddenly is like turning with their back to me. So again, four wines.

[175] And so I fucking.

[176] into my scarf, took care, and then I walked by Karen.

[177] Yeah.

[178] Thank you.

[179] Thank you.

[180] Thank you.

[181] Oh, no, the police.

[182] And as I walked by Karen, I was like giddy while I was like even peeing.

[183] I was like, oh, she's going to love it.

[184] I was so excited.

[185] I was like, I should say that for when we're like in Brisbane for our first show.

[186] I can't do it.

[187] I can't do it.

[188] I can't do it.

[189] I have to do it now.

[190] And so I walked by and like threw them at her.

[191] And I had already was trying to figure out how to look them up online to buy them.

[192] I was like, would that be in SkyMall or does Virgin have their own version?

[193] I'm like, all like this.

[194] Of course, there's no Wi -Fi to check anything, so it's just all up here.

[195] And then squirly scarfy walks by and goes like that and puts me in my hand.

[196] I almost started crying.

[197] I went, I tried to grab her face.

[198] So I was like, oh, my God.

[199] But quietly, because everyone else is asleep.

[200] Except for the baby.

[201] Yeah.

[202] I was screaming in first class baby.

[203] A rare bird.

[204] Screaming first class baby.

[205] You could hear the other, the people who are used to being at first class who live there and that's their normal life.

[206] They're just like, is the baby leaving?

[207] Before we take out, where's the, who's taking the baby away?

[208] Is there a night nurse or a wet nurse somewhere to take the noise making baby?

[209] Maybe a white, a wet night nurse.

[210] A white newt nurse.

[211] No, too many words that I just tried to say at once.

[212] What was the other thing?

[213] How about the shirt you got me?

[214] Oh, just today you mean?

[215] So then I went walking out in Melbourne, doo -do, boo.

[216] I do have to admit, we were in Auckland for 48 hours, and I saw the inside of my hotel room and then the inside of the theater that I was in.

[217] I know it's not funny because it's like the most beautiful country on the planet, perhaps.

[218] They don't want to hear that.

[219] No, it's here.

[220] Oh, are they like, is this like the Dodgers versus the giant style, total vicious?

[221] Yeah, or the coasts versus the middle of our country?

[222] Oh, right.

[223] Red state, blue state?

[224] Uh -huh.

[225] Is this some intense political shit I just stumbled into?

[226] Fuck.

[227] Anyway, it's so ugly I stayed inside.

[228] Steven, cut it.

[229] Oh, Steven's here.

[230] Oh, Steven's here.

[231] There we go.

[232] Okay, wait.

[233] Now, can we have that spotlight?

[234] Steven's going to sing a song, really quick.

[235] No, Mike.

[236] Okay, bye.

[237] Bye.

[238] Bye.

[239] Somebody that.

[240] We're making him sleep in someone else's car.

[241] No, we're not.

[242] It's his own car.

[243] You're like, that was the most hilarious older sister movie.

[244] You were like, come out here, get away.

[245] And I'm not even anyone's older sister, but I'm good at it, right?

[246] Pretty fun, right?

[247] Yeah, it is.

[248] We have good training.

[249] She got me a shirt.

[250] There's a store that you guys have.

[251] It's like the best called Dangerfield.

[252] Dangerfield.

[253] Fuck.

[254] It's so cute.

[255] I got like a scarf that's like flower print and then there's just flying squirrels little ones all over it and then one that's the same thing but flying bats all over it it's like the best.

[256] So you come back.

[257] As opposed to ground bats?

[258] Shit, I meant bats and flying squirrels.

[259] Is that what I'm whatever?

[260] No, you got it, you got it.

[261] I don't care.

[262] Bats.

[263] And then you came back from the hotel.

[264] Well, I was in the store.

[265] I went, she showed me all these things and I'm like, now I have to go.

[266] So I want to...

[267] because at every point somebody either Georgia or I has to be laying in their bed so she took their first shift and went out into the world and then I stayed there eating bonbons and then she came back and then when I went out to Dangerfield and I was just like I wish I was 30 years younger so I could wear some of these wonderful pigeon prints or whatever the stuff is happening here but I'm like looking through there's so many cute things You're tiny things.

[268] Also, like, what size is a small or a medium?

[269] What size is a medium here?

[270] I don't know.

[271] It's all small.

[272] And the tiny shop girl was like, well, I'm an eight.

[273] And I'm like, well, then I'm a fucking 40.

[274] Because, my God.

[275] You fucking bitch.

[276] Oh, anyhow.

[277] No, but I'm going through these shirts.

[278] And everything I pull out has, like, a different, wonderful, like a koala with a gun or whatever.

[279] It's just like, just great ideas.

[280] everywhere at that store.

[281] You know, fun stuff.

[282] Your mascot.

[283] It's a koala with a gun.

[284] What you love.

[285] Flip, flip, flip, flip, pull out.

[286] And there's a shirt and it has a gray cat sticking out of the pocket wearing a babushka looking mad.

[287] And I was just like, so I took a picture.

[288] I sent him to Georgia.

[289] I'm like, why didn't buy this?

[290] I had been like, fuck you.

[291] And I put it back.

[292] Well, clearly I didn't see it.

[293] Yeah.

[294] So then she came back, knock him a door.

[295] And I brought it to her, but Georgia, I don't know if you know that's about her, but Georgia loves to be nude.

[296] Oh.

[297] Yeah.

[298] It's nude or house dress is my like preferred form of being, preferred state of being?

[299] It's fun.

[300] My preferred state of being is slowly falling off of a chair I've broken for the rest of my life.

[301] I do like to be nude.

[302] It sounds so like pervertie, but it's not in a pervert.

[303] no it's natural um yeah so answer the door naked i like to use it as a joke too she's like what's up just like here's your shirt i wish i didn't get you now it was basically like put some clothes on put this on with pants it's fun to be like people don't expect you just to be what you know naked is funny um it was it was funny it was very funny we know it was very funny we know it other very well.

[304] Here's what I was going to say.

[305] So when we got here when we were in Brisbane the first day, one of the first...

[306] So another part of...

[307] We're just going to keep talking about first class.

[308] It never happened.

[309] This is how new it is to us.

[310] Like, you guys would too.

[311] If you...

[312] And perhaps you do.

[313] If you ever go to the fucking first class lounge, they have all the stuff sitting out.

[314] That's like the nicest stuff to eat.

[315] Like before you even get on the plane, They're like, don't worry, you don't have to hang out with plebs.

[316] Go to upstairs.

[317] Get out.

[318] In the airport.

[319] Don't eat burger can.

[320] Come up here.

[321] And so they have all these little jars.

[322] It's hungry jacks.

[323] Oh, hungry jacks.

[324] Oh, hungry jacks.

[325] Hungry jack.

[326] Wow.

[327] It's good stuff.

[328] So they had all these little jars of yogurt with mucely mixed in, which is very foreign.

[329] And we don't have really that in America.

[330] You have it, but it's like at Whole Foods.

[331] and it's for hippies, whatever.

[332] She's talking about Musley, not yogurt.

[333] You just have yogurt with granola.

[334] Yeah.

[335] You guys have yogurt with musli and dry fruit.

[336] Fresh goat's milk yogurt served by the goat who gave you the milk.

[337] So charming.

[338] Stewed fruits tied in a ribbon stuffed into your Musley.

[339] So I was like, this is my new lifestyle.

[340] I'm just going to do Musley and yogurt for the rest of my life.

[341] we were joking around.

[342] I was, we were like, oh, no, because we were, then we, somebody gave us Tim Tams, and we were like, oh shit, here's the dream, because Tim Tams are clearly the perfect food, second only to Musley and yogurt.

[343] And we were like, what if there was a Tim TAM murder?

[344] That would be so amazing.

[345] Either that's the weapon or it's, you know.

[346] They fight over it.

[347] Yeah, two people is the last box or whatever.

[348] Well, I'm looking on the internet, what we like to do.

[349] There has been a Musley murder.

[350] What?

[351] Did you hear about that?

[352] She's bringing this on me. Yeah, oh, you did not.

[353] I told you.

[354] When?

[355] Okay, listen to this.

[356] Can you give us a second?

[357] The fucking owner of the famous...

[358] No. You're not telling me this.

[359] I swear to you, the owner of a famous Musley company, a 75 -year -old man, stabbed his business partner to death.

[360] Do you know about this?

[361] There's a murmur.

[362] Very recently.

[363] A murmur from the Musley community.

[364] They had to shut their specific Musley company down.

[365] I think it's called the Musley Company.

[366] Wow.

[367] Something like that.

[368] That's so weird.

[369] And then the murder I did in Brisbane, sorry.

[370] The chick confessed because they gave her timetams, remember?

[371] Oh, yeah, that's right.

[372] That might have not been correct, but I saw it in one article, and I was like, I'm going with that.

[373] Yeah.

[374] Who cares?

[375] It doesn't matter.

[376] This, by the way, is my favorite murder.

[377] Oh, yeah.

[378] Clearly.

[379] This is Georgia Hard Star.

[380] I'm Georgia Hard Star.

[381] That's Karen Kilgaro.

[382] I'm Karen.

[383] Thank you.

[384] Thank you.

[385] All right, sweet.

[386] Is it sit -down time?

[387] I think that's it.

[388] We've done everything we can.

[389] We've done everything we can.

[390] I'm scared to sit down.

[391] Do you want to switch chairs just in case?

[392] I mean, will it help?

[393] They do look, okay.

[394] Just if I start to slide to the right, Just you there Just stick your hand up Just do one of these Karen Because I can't do it again You're responsible for this You just put a lot On that poor girl's not gonna enjoy the show now It was like this I thought you were like aghast It's something I had said I remember what I said It was almost like a Michael Jackson Kind of like But then I ended up on my ass I just want to make it clear That I did not just laugh at you And not try to help I came for you to save you I just happened to be laughing the whole time It was just so slow Also I just knew you couldn't help me At that point I was beyond help It was like I what here's the thing And we all know this Once you fall in public Like you can start to fall And you're like ugh And if you catch yourself You can just walk away Maybe you have some hot cheeks But that's all right You hit the ground It's over You're fucking done You're done for You're the person that fell if on top of that you're the girl that broke two legs of a chair.

[395] Good night nurse.

[396] How am I here right now?

[397] It doesn't make sense.

[398] How are we doing?

[399] How's your half -eaten mint?

[400] Yeah.

[401] I shouldn't have put that in right before we walked out on stage.

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[403] Absolutely.

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[422] Goodbye.

[423] Hey, this is exciting.

[424] An all new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27.

[425] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[426] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[427] Who killed Saz?

[428] And were they really after Charles?

[429] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[430] This season, murder hits close to home.

[431] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[432] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[433] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[434] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll.

[435] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Meryl Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, Devine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[436] Only Martyrs in the Building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[437] Goodbye.

[438] So you're first, right?

[439] It's me, right?

[440] All right.

[441] I'm going to settle in.

[442] Guys, I decided to just go for it and pick one of the most famous serial killers in Australian history, Ivan Malat.

[443] Wow.

[444] I spit a little.

[445] Uh -oh.

[446] Bub -de -R -B -B -B -B -B -B -B -B -B -B -B -B -B, is he here?

[447] Titter, titter, titter, titter, titter, titter.

[448] Titter, titter, titter.

[449] I went to school with Ivan M -Lat's grandson.

[450] I worked with his nephew.

[451] My mom used to be in the office where this wife of the secretary turned out to be...

[452] We want all those people to email us, by the way.

[453] Yeah, that's right.

[454] You had fun of that.

[455] that cheer we always feel like we need to say for the people who are here for the first time with people who force them to come the Eshers never yeah the people that work here people have never listened to this podcast we're not cheering for murder no we're not I mean it seems like we are but I swear to God we're not that's not what's happening remember in Auckland when we were meeting people afterwards and these two girls came up and we hugged them and then I looked at girl's face, and I'm like, this is the first time you've heard the podcast, huh?

[456] She's like, yeah.

[457] It's like, I could tell by your face, because you were not happy to see us.

[458] You were a little nervous, but your friend was like, hi!

[459] And you were like, hey, hey, hey, you guys are scary.

[460] We're an acquired taste.

[461] Yeah.

[462] Like, uh, cool people.

[463] Like, uh, what's it called?

[464] Marmite.

[465] Yep.

[466] Vegemite.

[467] Vegemite.

[468] Sorry.

[469] Sorry, sorry.

[470] Help Vegemite.

[471] So some girls sent to us, they gave us Vegemite, and then they go, don't put it on like Nutella.

[472] Yeah.

[473] Because I think that's the mistake.

[474] It's disgusting.

[475] And it's like, well, you ate a fucking spoonful of it.

[476] You're not supposed to, like, eating a spoonful of mayonnaise and being like, ew, it's gross.

[477] It's like, well, you fucking did it wrong.

[478] But I love the idea that, like, you put on everything like a Nutella.

[479] You're just like, we're all going through life, like, I bet this is super a lot.

[480] delicious exactly like Nutella no matter what, even though it smells like fucking nickels.

[481] I mean, what's up, Australia?

[482] Okay.

[483] I would like to say that my sources for learning all about Ivan Malat and the backpacker murders are a British show called Crimes That Shook the World.

[484] Congratulations, you shook the world.

[485] A show called crime scene investigation Australia which is yeah it's really good except for on YouTube it's ripped and so it's backwards it only takes up like a quarter of the bottom of the screen and the audio is sped up so as I watched it I began to go insane so I took the hit for you on that one and then also a website just called news .com dot a you know Karen And your computer is on fire right now.

[486] Back at the hotel.

[487] It's all just Russian people in my computer.

[488] Oh, look at this.

[489] She's weird.

[490] Wow.

[491] She likes violence.

[492] So in the late 80s and early 90s, Georgia, I don't know if you know this.

[493] Let me know it.

[494] This was really my time when I was really at my prime.

[495] I hardly broke any chairs and I was doing all kinds of drugs and drinks.

[496] Well, people who weren't total losers like me were backpacking all through Australia.

[497] It became such a huge thing because you could come to Australia cheaply and then you could, on a shoestring budget, you could backpack all throughout the gorgeous country.

[498] You could go to the gorgeous world -famous beaches.

[499] And actually, they started building youth hostels so that people could do this and it turned into a billion -dollar industry.

[500] of backpacking around Australia in this time.

[501] That all changed.

[502] Oh, no. Yeah.

[503] On September 19th, 1992, two joggers who were running on a trail in Balangelo State Forest.

[504] Never run on a trail.

[505] Oh.

[506] Belangelo.

[507] Oh, I added a knee in there.

[508] Sorry.

[509] Belangelo.

[510] I'm homesick.

[511] um belangelo state forest so they're job imagine this they're jogging on a trail and they smell something no so strongly that they know it could only be a dead body so they uh go off the trail about 10 meters i don't know how far that is in american listen we were busy shopping all day we didn't have time to do conversions i've been shopping and falling um me too So in the brush buried under some sticks and leaves, they find the body of Carolyn Clark.

[512] The police are called, they set up a search area, and the next day, in doing one of those walking searches where it's like 30 police officers arm to arm, they find the body of Joanne Walter.

[513] She's found about, oh, 30 yards away.

[514] Okay, I'm going to go metric and American all throughout this.

[515] Throw them in there.

[516] What's up, yards?

[517] Okay.

[518] So these two women had been missing for five months.

[519] They were both a young British student who had come separately to Australia.

[520] They both had always dreamed of coming here and backpacking here.

[521] They both loved traveling.

[522] And they met at one of these youth hostels.

[523] And they had decided that they were going to spend the summer picking fruit to make money and then finance their backpacking around.

[524] around Australia.

[525] So in April, after they had kind of done all that, they had decided to hitchhike back to Melbourne, and that was the last time anyone saw them alive.

[526] The police determined that Carolyn had a sweater tied around her head, she'd been raped and shot in the head ten times.

[527] Holy shit.

[528] Joanne had been raped, and she had been stabbed 14 times.

[529] Both of the women were bound, and they had found Winchester cartridge cases near the bodies.

[530] so yeah it's real quiet um okay but other than what i just named there was almost no evidence um that they could find and so essentially the case went cold and so a man who lived nearby and who knew um that forest really well his name was bruce prior and he had kept checking the newspaper to see if any other stories would come up about these two bodies that had been found there and he didn't see any and so he decided since he knew the forest so well he was just going to going out and looking to see if there was anything else to be found.

[531] So for the next nine months he searched around a thousand meters of forest and then one day he spots a human skull it's upside down in the dirt.

[532] He picks it up he didn't know it was the 90s.

[533] He brings it to the police and so he had good intentions.

[534] I don't he meant well at least he didn't use it as an ashtray yeah that's true for a couple months or he didn't go like I was right and throw it back down shows that this will show them okay so basically the police were like holy fuck and they come out and they set up a perimeter and they start searching the area and then a second body is found well that would this is actually a fourth body is found 22 meters away from where that skull had been in the ground.

[535] So these are the remains of James Gibson and Deborah Everest.

[536] They were two students who grew up in Melbourne.

[537] They decided that they were going to hitchhike together to a music festival in Albury, and they had both been missing for four years.

[538] Wow.

[539] James' bones had been marked with multiple stab wounds.

[540] Deborah had been bound.

[541] She was savagely beaten.

[542] She had a lot of broken bones in her face, and she had been stabbed.

[543] Their bodies were 600 meters from where Carolyn and Joanne had been found.

[544] So now the police set up a task force of 300 police officers, and they start combing the entire forest.

[545] So relatively soon after that, they find the remains of German tourist Simone Schmiddle.

[546] She disappeared while she was hiking from Sydney to Melbourne on January 20th, 1991.

[547] And they determined that she, based on the marks and this is how it happened with a lot of these remains because there was so little of them left that they just had to count the stab wounds on the bones so they knew she had been stabbed minimum eight times after her body was found the police made an official statement that they had a serial killer on their hands and that statement of course makes international news because Simone Schmiddle was German the first two women were British, it just goes everywhere, that now hitchhikers are going missing and then bodies are being discovered.

[548] Well, up in Birmingham, England, a man with my favorite name in the world, Paul Onions.

[549] Oh my God.

[550] Come on.

[551] Dude.

[552] Go find him.

[553] I mean, I have to make him mine.

[554] Paul, you don't know me. And I certainly don't know you.

[555] Karen Onions Mrs. Paul Onions Wow So Paul Onions right He gets the paper and he sees the story And he fucking freaks out Because Four years earlier He had a very interesting experience Very near the Balangelo National Forest Belangelo?

[556] It's really scary in this podcast saying Whenever you say a place, you get this, like, scared feeling because you just are waiting for a scream at you.

[557] Imagine that.

[558] That's why we have started our new program.

[559] Spell it like you say.

[560] Yep.

[561] Fuck yeah.

[562] We just, it would help us so much if people would just fucking start spelling things phonetically.

[563] Yep.

[564] And stop being assholes.

[565] Okay.

[566] So here's the thing.

[567] There's a hotline number in the arbor.

[568] article that he's reading.

[569] So he calls up and he's like, hey, I'd like to give an official statement because here's what's happened to me four years ago.

[570] He's hitchhiking.

[571] He was hitchhiking.

[572] He was in Liverpool, but in Australia.

[573] He was, and he's trying to hitchhike a thousand kilometers back to Melbourne.

[574] And he meets, he's like trying all day.

[575] He finally meets a guy named Bill, who's super nice and cool.

[576] And Bill's like, oh, hey, are you trying to hitchhike?

[577] Where are you going?

[578] And Paul onions is like, I'm trying to get to Melbourne.

[579] And he's like, so am I. Jump in my big old truck.

[580] Listen, onions.

[581] Did you think you call it on onions?

[582] Hey, it was like, Hey, Blumen Onion.

[583] Get in a more bucket car.

[584] And that's how the Outback Steakhouse was born.

[585] Sorry about that, by the way.

[586] I'm so sorry.

[587] We don't go there.

[588] No. Okay.

[589] So they're in this truck.

[590] This story is so fucked up.

[591] Do you know that I don't know it at all?

[592] And I'm so excited.

[593] You don't know this at all?

[594] No. They're in Bill.

[595] truck.

[596] And they're driving for a while.

[597] And then Bill's like, oh, hey, I can't do it.

[598] I want to do it so bad and I can't do it.

[599] By tomorrow night, we'll have learned.

[600] Yeah.

[601] I had to watch more TV.

[602] I tried to make a joke about how people hear say the word snicks instead of snacks.

[603] And I tweeted it, and then all these people are like, oh, that's a Kiwi accent.

[604] And I was like, well, here's an American accent.

[605] Go fuck yourself.

[606] Seriously.

[607] Listen, I can't take it.

[608] Like snicks to me. Also, it's just fun.

[609] If someone goes, would you like any snicks?

[610] Yes, I would like 1 ,000 snicks.

[611] I mean, I'd want them even if they were snacks.

[612] But now I want them for sure.

[613] I want them more because they're snicks.

[614] Snick -snack.

[615] Let's focus.

[616] There's so many pages left.

[617] Okay.

[618] Here's the thing.

[619] They're sitting in the truck.

[620] He's like, we're about to, there's going to be no more radio signal.

[621] So I'm going to pull over here, and I'm going to go in the back and get some tapes, because it's the late 80s, early 90s.

[622] And Paul Onions is like, that's cool, man, because he's so chill and awesome.

[623] And so he goes to open his door to stretch his legs, and Bill suddenly gets real rude, and is like, stay where you are, put your seatbelt on.

[624] And Paul Onions is like, hey, man, I just wanted to stretch my legs, and he's like, stay there.

[625] So then he shuts the door, and he's sitting there, and he looks down.

[626] there's a whole bunch of tapes right there in the console in between and he's like uh -oh this isn't good maybe he just wanted a thousand maniacs in the back or whatever 10 ,000?

[627] Thank you well back then they were only a thousand that's when you like them they were only a thousand oh no that's scary okay yes so he's like just when I was watching whatever one of those backwards fucked up shows were that I was watching that idea that you'd be sitting and I'd be like, okay, like that thing where the first thing a person does, that's weird, but you're like, oh, okay, I guess I'm still going to sit here because I don't want, I don't want to be rude to the super weirdo who's yelling at me out of the blue.

[628] For doing a super normal thing, like opening a car door.

[629] Opening a car door is a bad sign.

[630] And then it's like, all right, well, Bill's pretty cool.

[631] I, uh, uh, and just like, the stomach drop.

[632] Yeah.

[633] Right as all that's happening, the driver's side door flies open.

[634] Bill comes in and goes, you know what this is?

[635] And he's holding a gun.

[636] Just your two fingers?

[637] No, it's a gun.

[638] It's a, yeah, it's a pretend gun.

[639] No, it was a real gun.

[640] He's holding a real gun on my blessed and beloved Paul onions.

[641] What a stupid thing to say, too.

[642] Do you know what this is?

[643] Yeah.

[644] Like, just say, I have a gut.

[645] Like, yes, I know.

[646] What a thing is like, no. Yeah.

[647] I don't recognize that.

[648] I have a strange brain disease.

[649] Right.

[650] I don't recognize things.

[651] I'm a pacifist, and I don't recognize your weapons.

[652] Those don't exist to me. Yeah.

[653] I don't see weapons.

[654] Yeah, and then he fixes his beautiful hair.

[655] He says he has really long hair.

[656] He fixes gorgeous.

[657] Kind of blonde hair.

[658] Onion hair.

[659] What a dick.

[660] He's turning into an asshole.

[661] Okay.

[662] But the ironic part is Paul onions does not have body odor.

[663] And that's why I love him.

[664] The most.

[665] God, he got teased so much for that.

[666] You know it.

[667] No, he smells like delicious flowers.

[668] Do we have a picture of onions?

[669] Of Paul onions?

[670] I only had a picture of the reenactor.

[671] Oh.

[672] And that's not the man I love.

[673] He's too beautiful for eyes.

[674] He's too beautiful to have his picture taken.

[675] So, right?

[676] Bill's like, do you know what this is?

[677] Paul's like, I sure fucking do know what that is and jumps out of the truck.

[678] Girl.

[679] Bill, Bill starts shooting at him as he runs up the highway.

[680] away from the truck and luckily a driver pulls over and lets beautiful Paul onions into his car and drives away thank God thank God so this all was a phone call on the hotline it took him two hours to tell that story I forgot that part so that statement is taken he hangs up and doesn't hear back because when they set this hotline up What they didn't realize is that in the first 24 hours of this hotline, they got 1 ,000 pieces of evidence.

[681] People were calling in all over the place with all kinds of stories.

[682] And the police were completely inundated and were not prepared to process that much information.

[683] So meanwhile, while they're trying to set up hotlines and, you know, get the word out and do all of that, they're still searching the Balangelo National Forest.

[684] You're mad at them for that name now.

[685] We're in a fight.

[686] It'll be fine by the time this is over, but this is the drama of the story.

[687] Okay, so as they are searching, they find the remains of German students, Anya Hobschneed and Goboya Nogebauer.

[688] They had left for a winter holiday.

[689] They'd gone to Bali in 1991, and they had decided, like in around December, she had finished up her school she was on winter break they decided to go to Bali and then when they were done with their time in Bali they were like let's hop on over to Australia and go to Bondi Beach so they spent Christmas on Bondi it's Bondi now okay what is it Bandi?

[690] Bondi Bondi it's Snicks Snicks?

[691] Can we Snicks Beach?

[692] Okay Snicks Beach got it world famous Snick Snack Beach They're due home in January of 1992 They never make it home So When they process the bodies They find that Gaboria had been shot In the head six times Anya had been decapitated And her head Was not found But the police did find 47 cartridge cases At the scene and they were able to match those cartridge cases to the ones found near Carolyn Clark's body.

[693] So now seven bodies have been found in the Balangelo National Forest.

[694] So the police get a forensic psychiatrist to make a profile of this killer.

[695] Love this shit.

[696] Right?

[697] And based on the location, based on the violence, based on the weapons, based on everything, he basically says this killer would have grown up or worked in the area of this forest.

[698] He would have had past criminal behavior.

[699] He would have shot guns with his family.

[700] He would have a big family that would have insulated him and separated him from the rest of society.

[701] And he would have had major control issues and been a real macho type.

[702] And as they're talking about all of that, the police are like, we know a guy like that.

[703] And we know family like that.

[704] Oh, fine.

[705] It's Ivan Mollat.

[706] Whoa, they were just like, oh, we know this dude.

[707] Yeah.

[708] So they had been a kind of a family that was well known in the area.

[709] Maybe we say it like that.

[710] They had made a name for themselves where they lived.

[711] So Ivan Mollat was a road worker.

[712] He spent most of the 60s in jail.

[713] He loved guns.

[714] He had a four -wheel drive truck.

[715] He had 13 brothers and sisters.

[716] Holy shit.

[717] Uh -huh.

[718] When they interviewed his neighbors, they said that he was friendly, outgoing.

[719] He was always washing his truck or tending to his garden.

[720] Um, and, like, as this, like, some guy in the audience or some chicks, like, I do the same thing, and I'm not a murderer.

[721] I heard somebody just go, pff.

[722] Murderer.

[723] Fucking murderer.

[724] Loves to garden.

[725] We know your type.

[726] So all of his neighbors are like, we really like him, he's friendly, but they go to interview his ex -wife, and she's like, uh, yeah, yeah, you want to talk about Ivan Mlatt?

[727] Well, uh, it was, he was married to a woman in Karen, Duck, who he married when she was a teenager.

[728] Karen, duck.

[729] Uh, she described Ivan Malat as a brutal, controlling husband, who was gun crazy.

[730] Aren't you bum that you laughed at her now?

[731] Yeah.

[732] She says that he often took her to a pine plantation, to the Blangelo National Forest, and to the Genolan Caves, which are, I guess, a tourist attraction.

[733] Thank you so much, Mom.

[734] My mom's here, everybody.

[735] What?

[736] That sounded like an American accent.

[737] Typical.

[738] So, they started.

[739] then with all of these things kind of lining up they start looking into Ivan's early police record and they find that he was convicted of an eerily similar case in 1971 in April good Friday in 1971 he picked up two hitchhikers near Liverpool train station he pulled a knife on them bound them gagged them told them if they screamed he would kill them he took them into the forest and raped them both and put them back into the car.

[740] And one of them convinces him to pull over so they can get a drink at a gas station.

[741] And he lets them.

[742] And she gets out of the car.

[743] They both get out of the car and go into the gas station and get in there like, you fucking guys help us.

[744] And everybody gets them and then they go after him.

[745] He got away, but eventually he was arrested.

[746] He was facing, don't clap yet.

[747] He was facing two counts of rape and robbery and what he does was he faked his own death by, yes, he left his shoes at a renowned Sydney suicide spot called the Gap which I used to work at the Gap.

[748] You worked at a suicide spot?

[749] It's not that bad.

[750] Oh, sorry I stepped on here.

[751] No, no, it's okay.

[752] I think it worked.

[753] I think you built it.

[754] So anyway, he escapes to the place we all hate so much, New Zealand.

[755] But he returns in 1974 because his mother had a heart attack and she was hospitalized, and so they re -arrest him then.

[756] They had arrested him the first time, but then he, of course, faked his own death at the gap.

[757] He bought a sweater.

[758] Faked his death.

[759] Yeah.

[760] Left his shoes in the changing room.

[761] Yeah.

[762] They were like, oh, shit.

[763] They were just like, oh, no, I guess he's gone forever.

[764] Go back to folding these sweaters.

[765] Have I ever told you my sweater folding story?

[766] I don't think so.

[767] This one is a little bit classic, and it's worth me stopping this horrible tale.

[768] I used to work at The Gap for Real in San Francisco.

[769] It was my first real job, and it was also when I was really also working very hard at being just a dedicated alcoholic.

[770] and so the day after Halloween where my friend and I went dressed up as two people who worked at the Landcombe counter Is that what we're dressed as right now?

[771] Yes, exactly.

[772] We just went out in our black clothes and my friend got two Landcombe name tags for us.

[773] That's cool!

[774] It was pretty rad.

[775] And then we just got beyond shit -faced.

[776] The next day it was a full -down day.

[777] If you've ever worked retail or worked at the Gap, you know the full -downs, you have to go into work like, four hours early and literally refold the entire store.

[778] Every single item in the store is refolded with a board so it all looks perfect.

[779] Just to break your soul a little bit?

[780] Just to, because they're like, hey, we're paying you $6 an hour.

[781] Why don't you earn it?

[782] Yeah.

[783] Oh, God.

[784] Yeah.

[785] So we went in, we woke up.

[786] We were supposed to be there at 7 in the morning.

[787] We woke up at 8 .15 to the call of our manager being like, you fucking assholes get down here.

[788] but luckily we lived one block away and so we like in our land comb outfits we walked down to the gap we go in we start folding I have the back wall and it's I'll never forget because every time I see these sweaters like at a thrift store I'm like here it is it's one of these sweaters a gap it's a gap sweater from 1991 I'm folding down this wall of sweaters and so hungover like it's just still a little drunk it's funny because she doesn't drink anymore that's right so you can just I've never killed anyone with a car or gone to jail so let's celebrate my alcoholism I fold down a line of this whole wall of sweaters I get to the bottom of the first row and then I just lay down and fall asleep on the ground that is amazing and there my manager Colleen came up and she's like go home oh my Colleen she ate it and abetted my alcoholism all right Where are we?

[789] Falling his sleep on the cat.

[790] Oh, okay.

[791] So, he never, he's re -arrested, but he is acquitted of both the rape and robbery charges because there was not enough evidence.

[792] I'm sorry.

[793] So, I know.

[794] These two chicks are like.

[795] How about this evidence, my name's evidence one and evidence two.

[796] So, the police go to speak to the rest of the Mlott family.

[797] And they interview his brother.

[798] Alex and his brother Alex's wife and they talked to them for over an hour it's just they're not getting much the police get up to leave and Alex's wife goes oh hold on yeah and she goes and gets a backpack and hands it to them and goes he gave us this as a gift oh could you have lead with that honey I guess there are some issues she was having some problems the police take it and find out that the backpack that she gave them that Ivan gave to them belonged to Simone Schmiddle, the German backpacker.

[799] So, then simultaneously, or at least that's how it seemed on these shows that I was watching, they go through, they're going through all the statements that they had gotten in the first, you know, month of the hotline, and they find beautiful Paul Onion statement.

[800] Oh, my God.

[801] From all the way up in Birmingham.

[802] And so they call him back, and they find out that his story is real.

[803] They actually have the Birmingham police interview him to make sure that he's not some nutcase.

[804] They end up flying him down to Australia, and Paul Onion's identifies Ivan Malat in a lineup.

[805] And so the police can now arrest Ivan Malat for the attack of Paul Onions.

[806] So on May 22nd, 1994, at 6 a .m., the police surrounded Malatt's home.

[807] It's really funny in the reenactment.

[808] They called him on the phone and were like, hey, can you come outside for a second?

[809] and then he did and then he was down on his perfectly manicured lawn face first because he likes gardening that's right he likes things just so when the police enter his home they immediately start finding trophies from all of these murders there's all this camping equipment there are there are all kinds of personal belongings just everywhere the police are identifying them as they look around the house And they also find rifles, ammunition, hunting knives, and a sword.

[810] And then hidden inside a wall in a plastic bag, they find pieces of a Ruger 22 rifle.

[811] And when the ballistics expert reassembles those pieces, test fires it, it matches the bullets used to kill Carolyn Clark.

[812] So Ivan Latt is charged with the murders of all seven victims.

[813] And on July 27, 1996, following a 15 -week trial, the jury returned after three, days and found him guilty on all charges.

[814] He was sentenced to six years imprisonment for the attack on the most beautiful man in the world, Paul onions, and seven consecutive life sentences for each of the murders of the backpackers.

[815] When asked if he had any comment, he protested his innocence.

[816] He said he didn't do anything.

[817] Oh, for sure.

[818] But his younger brother, Richard, told the police that they were, quote, heaps more bodies out there to be found and there are.

[819] There are 11 other unsolved missing persons cases that are extremely similar to the backpacker murders going all the way back to February of 1971.

[820] Holy shit.

[821] So I'm just going to go through these real quick.

[822] Karen Roland was driving behind her sister.

[823] They were driving up to a hotel in Canberra when Shut up.

[824] No, I'm kidding.

[825] What is it?

[826] She's asking her a friend who's...

[827] Canberra.

[828] Canberra?

[829] Really quick, just a suggestion.

[830] How about you spell it C -A -N -B -R -A?

[831] Okay, I'm not mad at you.

[832] I'm not mad at you at all.

[833] Okay.

[834] This is so creepy.

[835] The two sisters take two separate cars.

[836] Why?

[837] It's not as fun.

[838] They must have had work or something.

[839] It makes me so mad when I read that.

[840] I was like, what?

[841] They're driving.

[842] Her sister loses sight of Karen in the rearview mirror.

[843] Her car just isn't there anymore.

[844] She continues on to the hotel.

[845] And then when she gets there, Karen isn't there.

[846] And she thinks maybe she went back home.

[847] She doesn't understand what happened.

[848] So they search, they find the car with an empty gas tank on the side of the road.

[849] Oh, no, she ran out of gas.

[850] Yeah.

[851] And she ran out of gas.

[852] and then 15 meters off of the trail in the Fairburn Pine Plantation they find her body.

[853] She was lying on her back, legs straight out, her arms encircling her head, clothing pulled down, indicating sexual assault.

[854] A beer bottle was found nearby.

[855] So in June of 1972, Robin Hoyneville Bartram and Anita Cunningham, 19 and 20, respectively.

[856] They were student nurses, they were roommates, and they were going to spend this summer hitchhiking around northern Queensland.

[857] They set off from Melbourne on their way to Bowen.

[858] It really is scary.

[859] They were never seen again.

[860] In November, Robin's body is found under a bridge in Sensible Creek.

[861] She was shot in the head with a 22.

[862] Anita's body was never found.

[863] A woman told police that she and her mother had chatted with those girls at a hotel that July.

[864] And the girls told her they'd gotten a ride with a man named cowboy.

[865] Stephen, do you have that one picture of Ivan Maloney?

[866] Oh, no. Oh, no. It's actually very in fashion now, what he's wearing.

[867] I can't.

[868] Yeah, we had no idea what you just said.

[869] Okay.

[870] Okay.

[871] Friday, October 5th, 1972, Gabrielle Janky and Michelle Riley decide to hitchhike from Brisbane to check out a party on the Gold Coast.

[872] A week later, Gabrielle's body is found at the bottom of a steep embankment on the side of Pacific Highway at Ormew.

[873] Ten days later, at 6 p .m. on October 23rd, Michelle's body is found 12 meters from the road in the bushland off of the Mount Tamborane Highway.

[874] They both had massive head injuries from fractured skulls, and both of their clothes were pulled up, and branches had been covering their bodies.

[875] On October 30th, 1978, 20 -year -old Leanne Goodall was dropped off by her brother Warren at the Muscle Wellbrook train station.

[876] Warren thought she was taking the train back to Sydney, but in fact she decided to go to Swansea, Swansea near Newcastle to see her parents.

[877] She got off the train in Broadmeadow in central Newcastle.

[878] Someone spotted her at 3 .30 that afternoon at the Star Hotel.

[879] She was never seen alive again.

[880] Her remains were never found.

[881] Robin Hickey, four months after Liam Goodall's disappearance, 18 -year -old Robin Hickey leaves her family home in Swansea to meet friends at the Belmont Hotel south of Newcastle.

[882] She's never seen again.

[883] Amanda Robinson is a 14 -year -old girl who vanishes on her way home to Swansea from a school dance.

[884] Ivan Malat was named as a person of interest in all three of those disappearance cases because he was working a road crew at the time, but there there was not enough evidence to arrest him.

[885] And then there's, I mean, look at this.

[886] There's three more pages of people who had the exact, it's the exact same M .O. He's, it's always 15 meters off of a trail back in the bush.

[887] It's the same area generally, like.

[888] The same age.

[889] It's, they, he, it's girls that he meets at hotels.

[890] There's always a witness.

[891] But in the same, like, general area kind of too.

[892] Yeah.

[893] Yeah, it's along the old coast, right?

[894] They're not sure either.

[895] You guys fucking flunk that class too.

[896] But it's basically this eastern coastal side and all up.

[897] Because basically, this I did look up on Google Maps.

[898] It takes like seven hours and 37 minutes or something to drive from Melbourne to the Belangelo National Forest.

[899] And so that, thanks.

[900] And so that's like the, that's basically the area that he was working in, and he was a road worker.

[901] He also delivered tires, truck tires, so he was always, he was always on the road, and he was always leaving work and coming back, and like having people cover for him and stuff.

[902] Jesus.

[903] Now, really quick.

[904] Sorry.

[905] I mean, those are just like, there's six more people who have the exact same ammo in their death.

[906] there's 58 total of missing people who there's pieces of their murder details or their murder that can be related to Ivan Latt but because he will not admit to anything and never has, they can't get him on anything or prove anything and their families have no satisfaction.

[907] They just don't get to know.

[908] So he's in jail, right?

[909] And he decides to cut off.

[910] He's 73 now.

[911] He's still in jail.

[912] He's in the Supermax.

[913] He's going to be there for the rest of his life.

[914] In 2009, he cuts off his little finger with a plastic knife.

[915] Ow!

[916] And the people in the jail decide they're not going to reattach it.

[917] I mean, he doesn't fucking need it.

[918] I interpret it.

[919] I'm sure there was like a medical reason and a whole decision, but in my mind, I was just like, they're like, no, you did that to yourself.

[920] He had previously injured himself.

[921] By swallowing razor blades, staples, and other metal objects, he went on a hunger strike because he wanted a PlayStation.

[922] Oh, no. That was in 2011.

[923] And now, in 2012, his great -nephew Matthew Milot and his friend, Cohen Klein, who were 19 when they were sentenced, they were arrested for murdering David Ocherlone on his 17th birthday with an axe in the Balangelo State National Forest.

[924] And he, Matthew killed him, and his friend taped it on the phone, recorded him on the phone.

[925] That's how they got caught.

[926] Oh, my God.

[927] They were sentenced, Matthew was sentenced to 43 years in prison, and Cohn was sentenced to 32 years in prison.

[928] And now I'm seeing this thing, too.

[929] On May 15th, his older brother Boris told Dr. Steve Apern that Malat was responsible.

[930] for another shooting in 1962, he shot a cab driver in the back because he wanted to rob him and he ended up paralyzing him.

[931] And that's a, they were just doing a special about that on TV recently.

[932] And that, my friends, is the story of Ivan Mollat, the backpacker murder.

[933] Sorry, that's so long.

[934] I didn't see, ah!

[935] That's what he looked like while he was cutting his pinky off.

[936] He's like, come on, I want a PlayStation.

[937] I'm only the worst fucking person in the world.

[938] Oh my God.

[939] How did I not know that one?

[940] Yeah.

[941] It's so nuts.

[942] I mean, you just can't help.

[943] I don't want to police shame, but they're like, why didn't this?

[944] Bye.

[945] Bye.

[946] Oh.

[947] I didn't know my mouth.

[948] I'm not sure why I didn't even give you a look.

[949] I didn't even give you an old, I'm going to pick up my glasses.

[950] She was like, she's police shaving again.

[951] I'm sick of it.

[952] This is a walkout.

[953] It's just the thing of like, why didn't they figure oh put it together but the bodies weren't even found nobody knew it was just missing and no details whatsoever plus there's the whole thing of you know the old school like a like mindset of like well if we start saying all these backpackers are missing the tourist trade's gonna fucking die so maybe it's that these new cops came in and we're like yeah but we can't let people disappear well I think the second they started finding bodies that that was all over that they shut it down.

[954] Yeah, hopefully.

[955] Well, no, that's what happened.

[956] Yeah, hopefully.

[957] It's literally what happened.

[958] I just fucking told you.

[959] I watched three specials about it.

[960] I'm an expert.

[961] That was such a in -your -face mint put in your mouth.

[962] I've never seen anyone.

[963] But dang.

[964] The final word, mint.

[965] Oh, no, she put the mint in her mouth.

[966] Can't tell you.

[967] The mince in.

[968] All right, everyone.

[969] You guys have so...

[970] When we went to Auckland, we were just like, well, we have two murders to choose from.

[971] So I guess I'll take this one and you take that one.

[972] Yeah.

[973] Not here.

[974] No. Not the case whatsoever.

[975] You guys, there's the reason we're going to be here for three nights in a row.

[976] Not because we don't want to see us, but because we just couldn't pick one.

[977] The government's making us tell all the murders.

[978] Yeah.

[979] Yeah, we're doing it to social service.

[980] you're welcome.

[981] All right.

[982] Well, this one, this is the story of the only American man ever executed on Australian soil.

[983] It's the blackout strangler.

[984] Right, right, right.

[985] Right, right.

[986] Right, right.

[987] That's the correct.

[988] All right.

[989] Height of World War II.

[990] While Melbourne was sending soldiers overseas to fight, they're like heroes and shit, and there's a brownout in order.

[991] So a brownout, It just means that, like, there's a reduced availability of electrical power.

[992] So, like, at night, street lamps and car lights, they're all, like, lowered so the Japanese fighters can't bomb a shit out of you guys.

[993] They're like, I don't see anything.

[994] Let's get out of here.

[995] Instead of being, like, look at all those beautiful lights of Melbourne, which is, like, a thing, you know.

[996] Yeah, they're known for their light.

[997] They're known for their lights.

[998] Like, I think they call you guys the city of lights.

[999] Oh, I've heard of that.

[1000] Yeah.

[1001] Okay.

[1002] Okay, so also a lot of employees, employers were letting young women leave in daylight so they could get home safely before dark because, you know, dark.

[1003] But, so a lot of U .S. soldiers were stationed in Melbourne after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

[1004] So all these makeshift camps for American soldiers were popping up.

[1005] And, excuse me, I forgot my tissue.

[1006] I shouldn't have told you guys that.

[1007] Here.

[1008] Realize that now.

[1009] Thank you.

[1010] I don't have to do with that.

[1011] Um, wipe your nose with that bottle cap.

[1012] Scrape my nose across it.

[1013] Just dip it in and release.

[1014] Okay.

[1015] They're housed in military establishments called Camp Pell.

[1016] Today it's known as Royal Park.

[1017] Um, May 3rd, 1942.

[1018] You get ones like Rail Park?

[1019] Royal Park.

[1020] Oh.

[1021] Sorry.

[1022] I just audienceed you, essentially.

[1023] Royal!

[1024] It's called Royal.

[1025] May 3rd, 1942, 40 -year -old Ivy Violet in the Cloud was waiting for her tram.

[1026] Can you see I copied and pasted this from Australian articles?

[1027] Waiting for her tram on Victoria Avenue and Albert Park around 2 a .m. when she's attacked.

[1028] You wooed at, and she's attacked.

[1029] You got to do it right away if you're going to do it.

[1030] Okay, her body was found by a hotel cleaner who was hosing down the footpath outside a hotel.

[1031] He saw an American soldier get up from a stooping position in a nearby shop doorway.

[1032] He was going to run after him but decided to try to help the woman, but it was too late.

[1033] Ivy was dead.

[1034] She was partially naked, badly beaten, and strangled.

[1035] Her purse was still in the area, so it was obvious that robbery wasn't the motive.

[1036] And witnesses said that they had seen her.

[1037] in the company of a U .S. soldier late the previous night.

[1038] We have a photo of her, and while that's up, I'm going to subtly wipe my nose on my dress.

[1039] God, you're an angel.

[1040] There's tissues happening at me. Oh, no, she has a knife.

[1041] What if she didn't give these to me?

[1042] What if she just took the tissues?

[1043] She was just like, you should buy some of these.

[1044] Thank you so much.

[1045] This has happened before.

[1046] Security.

[1047] That's every shirt that was at Dangerfields today.

[1048] It's the first thing I think of And I'm just like Karen For real So that's Ivy McLeod So she is killed Sorry Sorry honey She looks like my grandma A week later Let me bum you guys out more A week later 31 year old Pauline Thompson She's a stenographer She's married to a policeman She's a mother of two She strikes up a conversation with American Soldier at a restaurant They go to a bar after dinner to talk, and they spend several hours talking and drinking.

[1049] The next morning, she's found lying on the steps of her Spring Street home.

[1050] Her clothes are in tatters.

[1051] Okay, so there's a photo of her.

[1052] This is Pauline Thompson.

[1053] Okay, ready for this creepy thing?

[1054] In a Victorian first, police created a photograph.

[1055] Police created a mannequin dressed in her clothes and put a photograph over her face, hoping that a witness would come forward.

[1056] Stephen, put that nightmare up.

[1057] What?

[1058] That's what that is?

[1059] Look at our hands.

[1060] It's mannequin hands.

[1061] Holy fuck.

[1062] Yeah.

[1063] Yeah.

[1064] I mean, that's what we're in it for, right?

[1065] That's like crazy, awful.

[1066] Creepy.

[1067] Creepy.

[1068] Hands.

[1069] Look at the hands.

[1070] Did it?

[1071] Did I ever tell you the story about when I was little and I was at the store with my dad?

[1072] And he's like, just don't touch anything.

[1073] thing.

[1074] Yeah, right.

[1075] Which I could never do.

[1076] I was like five.

[1077] No, you're a child.

[1078] A child, and he would always take me to like hardware stores and stuff that didn't have candy or toys or anything good.

[1079] Yeah.

[1080] And I remember he went to get something.

[1081] And I just walked up, there was a mannequin wearing like a, like a mechanics jumpsuit.

[1082] And I was just, I just went like, just like, my finger E .T. style touched the mannequin's hand and the whole arm came off of my hand.

[1083] And then I was just alone holding a mannequin arm.

[1084] like, shit, do I shove it back up?

[1085] And my dad came around the corn, he's like, Jesus Christ.

[1086] Karen, you shouldn't be allowed in retail shops anymore.

[1087] You're real proud of yourself.

[1088] And then you laid on the floor and fell asleep.

[1089] That's right.

[1090] I was so drunk.

[1091] The drunkest five -year -old ever.

[1092] Okay, so they did that horribleness.

[1093] Yes, I don't want to turn back around.

[1094] Poor mannequin.

[1095] Good night, everyone.

[1096] Have sweet dreams tonight.

[1097] Wait, did it work, though?

[1098] No. Oh.

[1099] But, you know, people were like, well, we saw her with an American soldier the night before.

[1100] So, but I don't know if any of it came directly from that.

[1101] It just gave a lot of people nightmares.

[1102] So, shortly after this, an American soldier admits to another soldier that he had killed two women.

[1103] This dude's name is Edward Joseph Flanowski.

[1104] Yeah, and he's 24 years old.

[1105] He's a former New York grocery store clerk.

[1106] He had broad shoulders and strong hands, and they had said by the looks of the way the guy had strangled women that he had large hands.

[1107] That was like one of the things they said about him.

[1108] He was well -liked by most who knew him, although other American soldiers reported that he liked to drink heavily, and that when he did, he became particularly aggressive, especially towards women.

[1109] A file described him as the soldier from hell.

[1110] And he earned that notation after he attempted to strangle a young woman in San Antonio, Texas.

[1111] He was caught, charged with assault, but never prosecuted.

[1112] Instead, the U .S. Army was like, send him to Melbourne.

[1113] Sorry, you guys.

[1114] Sorry about that.

[1115] So he arrived on February 2nd, 1942, and that first murder happened on May 3rd of that year.

[1116] Wow.

[1117] Yeah, so, um, okay, so he told his, his bro that I killed two women.

[1118] His bro was like, turn yourself in, say you're claim insanity.

[1119] Edwards, like, nope, and the soldier's like, okay, and like, didn't turn it in.

[1120] So again, apologies, Melvin.

[1121] He's like, well, I gave you the one suggestion I have.

[1122] That's all I got for it.

[1123] I don't know what else could be done.

[1124] I guess I'll see you in the mess tent.

[1125] Yeah.

[1126] All right, so the final victim.

[1127] Oh, let me show you a photo of this dude, Edward.

[1128] Hey, I'm going to murder you.

[1129] That's him?

[1130] Yeah.

[1131] They said that, so he was a total alcoholic, and a lot of people like, he was super fun.

[1132] And a lot of people are like, he attacked women.

[1133] But the ones who said he was super fun, one of the things I said he would do is, like, get super drunk, and then get up on the bar and walk across the bar in his hands.

[1134] Like few -hearman style, but on your hands.

[1135] Look at that crazy son of a bitch His forehead is so low It's tiny It's too small I mean as someone with a three head I would like to say His is a one and a half head That's true It barely is there Or is it just that dumb hair It could It looks like both Okay I'm gonna go both Um My mom His final victim 40 year old Gladys Hosking On May 18th, while walking home from work in the chemistry lab at the University of Melbourne, which is like, what a badass.

[1136] She is caught in the rain.

[1137] An American soldier offered to shelter her under an umbrella he was carrying.

[1138] It's our old friend Edward.

[1139] Yeah.

[1140] He attacks her.

[1141] He strangles her, and she's found inside the Royal Park boundary not far from Camp Hill, just 350 meters from her boarding house.

[1142] In just over two weeks, from May 3rd to May 18th, 1942, three women had been killed by him.

[1143] So the murderer becomes known as the brownout strangler, because it's during a brownout, and he strangles people.

[1144] I didn't need to explain that part.

[1145] Stephen, cut that out.

[1146] It was actually symbolic of something else, but you wouldn't understand.

[1147] They called U .S. soldiers brownouts.

[1148] That's what they called.

[1149] Because they were total bummers.

[1150] Yeah.

[1151] What a fucking brown out that guy was.

[1152] Oh, I just licked the microphone on accident.

[1153] Does anyone have any hydrochloric acid?

[1154] I'm just going to drink it.

[1155] An Australian soldier, oh, God, that was disgusting.

[1156] An Australian soldier told police.

[1157] So, okay, so Gladys gets killed.

[1158] Australian soldier tells police he saw a U .S. officer slipping under the Royal Park fence on the night of the murder.

[1159] he shines a torch that's not what we call flashlights so clearly I copied and pasted that in the guy's face it was all muddy he asked him why he's covered head to foot in yellow mud he's covered head to foot in yellow mud which is like what's that diarrhea?

[1160] No it's mud and it's just yellow I don't know because it's wartime I don't know because there's a brown out and so there's not enough brown to go into the mud?

[1161] What the hell?

[1162] That's got to be it.

[1163] Yellow mud?

[1164] I don't know.

[1165] I didn't look that part up.

[1166] Okay.

[1167] I didn't even look out what meters means.

[1168] So, clearly I was shopping all day.

[1169] Okay, so the dude says to him, I fell over in a pool of mud going across the park.

[1170] That's like his excuse.

[1171] So it's like, okay, go ahead.

[1172] They were good with it.

[1173] Right.

[1174] The description of this soldier, though, matches the individual.

[1175] Pauline Thompson was seen with the night of her murder, as well as the description given by several women who had also survived recent attacks.

[1176] So I guess he'd been fucking attacking women all over town.

[1177] People had been surviving.

[1178] Yeah.

[1179] So after days at Camp Hell, they're going from fucking soldier to soldier being like, are you a murder, are you a murder, like interviewing people?

[1180] I guess.

[1181] I don't know.

[1182] I had to made that up.

[1183] They could actually.

[1184] I bet that's how they did it.

[1185] No, I bet that's how they did it.

[1186] Could have been.

[1187] Police investigate.

[1188] I think we have a photo of Gladys, actually.

[1189] Did I already?

[1190] Yeah, there she is.

[1191] Aw.

[1192] Right?

[1193] Look at that outfit.

[1194] That's not my awe, but okay.

[1195] Okay, so they're back in, soldier to soldier.

[1196] You, you, you, you, you.

[1197] Police investors get to Edward Linovsky's tent, and the yellow clay matching the crime scene is found on his tent, his shoes, and his bed.

[1198] So he's just flailing him, drop off, over the fucking place, fairly.

[1199] It's so yellow.

[1200] I hate yellow.

[1201] Okay.

[1202] Then, okay.

[1203] So he's arrested, charged with the murders.

[1204] Behind bars, he confesses to fucking everything.

[1205] He tells investigators that he is a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.

[1206] And his motives for the killings was a fascination with female voices, especially when they were singing.

[1207] What?

[1208] Yeah.

[1209] Creepy.

[1210] So all those women had been singing?

[1211] Well, he says, he claims that he killed women to get at their voices, quote.

[1212] Oh, no. I know.

[1213] Kind of like a little mermaid thing?

[1214] Yeah.

[1215] He was a fucking original sea witch.

[1216] He just...

[1217] Sea witch.

[1218] Yeah.

[1219] He wanted to...

[1220] He wanted to...

[1221] That guy's fucking stupid.

[1222] Yeah.

[1223] Crazy, too.

[1224] Yeah.

[1225] Yeah.

[1226] So he said about his second victim, Pauline Thompson, he said, she was singing in my ear.

[1227] It sounded as if she was singing for me. She had a nice voice.

[1228] I grabbed her.

[1229] I don't know why.

[1230] She stopped singing.

[1231] Well, because you grabbed her.

[1232] Fucking idiot.

[1233] Then the investigator was like, goodbye.

[1234] I'm going to go to, what's that?

[1235] I'm going to go to the gap.

[1236] See you guys later.

[1237] Can you imagine hearing that?

[1238] Someone saying that to you?

[1239] Okay.

[1240] According to a psychologist who interviewed Edward during his trial, he grew up in an abusive alcoholic family, and one of his brothers had been committed to a mental institution for life.

[1241] His mother had been overprotective and controlling, and I bet she fucking sang a lot.

[1242] I bet.

[1243] You know what I mean?

[1244] I didn't say that, but it's like, well, clearly.

[1245] That's my, what's this profile of this murderer?

[1246] You've profiled it.

[1247] His mom sang a lot.

[1248] But she was like, the most horrible sound of all time.

[1249] So essentially, I could show you right now what that sounded like by just singing.

[1250] She put him into bed and she'd be like, all right.

[1251] Sweet dream.

[1252] And here in the corner is a mannequin with my face taped on it, Night Night, Edward.

[1253] Night, night, Edward.

[1254] I'm going to go be an alcoholic, which is also what she was.

[1255] and she was overprotected controlling.

[1256] I like the idea of sooner as you're shutting your child's bedroom door.

[1257] Good night, I'm going to go be an alcoholic.

[1258] You stay in here, okay?

[1259] And stare at my mannequin face.

[1260] That's a hard childhood right there.

[1261] She had also been in a mental institution, but she also favored Edward more than his other fucking crazy brothers.

[1262] So he got bullied by neighborhood kids, and called a mama's boy.

[1263] According to the psychologist, he said, and you know 40s and 50s psychologists were like, well, and they were like, what?

[1264] That doesn't make sense.

[1265] Edipus complex?

[1266] No. Symbolic matriicide.

[1267] And I was like, that sounds familiar, our friend Ed Gein.

[1268] Oh, yeah.

[1269] Where you like kill people because they're like, it's my mom.

[1270] And you're like, it's actually a woman you don't fucking know.

[1271] They just want to kill their mom over and over again.

[1272] Exactly, exactly.

[1273] exactly um so because it because of the resentment and hatred of his mother singing bad singing is really irritating this is why i don't well i do sing sometimes and it's yeah just do a little song okay um what should i sing um i will always love you oh how about look at this stuff isn't it neat what i'm just speaking do it my complexion's complete yeah wouldn't you think i'm like i watched that movie four thousand times when i was a child that was my own only friend.

[1274] What do you call it?

[1275] Shoes?

[1276] Okay.

[1277] the, okay, during the trial, evidence was presented that indicated that Edward had possible dual personalities.

[1278] I just love the word dual, dual, dual personalities.

[1279] The court heard that.

[1280] So, when the Mnowski got drunk, his voice changes.

[1281] He talks more like a girl.

[1282] Uh -oh.

[1283] Says stuff about, this is a quote, I wouldn't.

[1284] He talks stuff about poltergeist.

[1285] Werewolves, demons.

[1286] Creepy stuff.

[1287] Talks himself.

[1288] Cool stuff.

[1289] Yeah.

[1290] He talks about the kind of stuff they have on the clothes at the, what's the source?

[1291] Danger fields.

[1292] At danger fields.

[1293] Good, that would have been good if I could have remembered that.

[1294] Talks himself a lot.

[1295] Other times it was like he was talking to someone else.

[1296] Maybe he was talking to someone else.

[1297] Yeah, he could have been talking to someone else.

[1298] Although Edward Lomaski's crimes were committed on Australian soil, the trial was conducted under American military law.

[1299] Yeah, that's Mark Harmon style.

[1300] N -C -I -S -baby.

[1301] Yeah.

[1302] I said, yeah, I don't know who that was.

[1303] I've never watched that show by the way.

[1304] They have.

[1305] I want true crime.

[1306] He confesses to the crimes, convicted and sentenced to death at a United States Army General Court Marshal in July of 1942, but it's here in Australia.

[1307] He's executed at Pentridge Prison.

[1308] Wow.

[1309] you guys stay there sometimes you love it is it the best present yeah um you can live in a prison you can get breakfast you know normally heckling makes me really yeah me too my favorite thing anyone's ever yelled at me you can live there and you can get breakfast there you can get breakfast usually I'll have the beans on toast with a fried egg Georgia loves a nice breakfast bean you guys have really brought her over to the big bean breakfast being inside.

[1310] So much for that.

[1311] What's conji?

[1312] Don't answer now.

[1313] It's on every menu for breakfast, but it's like conji with, and I'm like, what could this be?

[1314] And then it's like with shrimp or grass.

[1315] Conjee's like a soup.

[1316] Oh, is it?

[1317] Or grass?

[1318] I don't know.

[1319] Just random stuff where I'm like, I can't put together what this breakfast item might be.

[1320] It's not French toast.

[1321] I know that.

[1322] If it ain't Musley, she don't want to eat something.

[1323] Bucket.

[1324] Okay.

[1325] The precise details of his execution worse.

[1326] Wait, sorry, we had to eat breakfast at that prison now.

[1327] Will you guys meet us there tomorrow?

[1328] Yeah, we'll be there.

[1329] They share time is over.

[1330] That poor girl, is she crying?

[1331] The one I just yelled at.

[1332] I'm sorry.

[1333] I can't do it.

[1334] I can't do it.

[1335] That's a real mind fuck because we supported yours and we attacked you for yours.

[1336] I'm sorry.

[1337] And now I feel so bad.

[1338] Never look back.

[1339] So for some reason, the details are a secret of how he got killed.

[1340] But the hangman had a fucking journal, which is like, give me that to read tonight, please, immediately.

[1341] And it says that he was hanged, right?

[1342] Sorry.

[1343] Why?

[1344] In the hangman's journal, if they published it like a book, do you think the inside flap of the picture of the author he'd have is...

[1345] you know what I mean you know the hangman has to wear that thing on his face so you just don't know who he is guess what?

[1346] What?

[1347] What's this?

[1348] It's the hangman's journal.

[1349] Are you kidding?

[1350] No, put your glasses on hold on everybody I wasn't being an asshole I'm serious I didn't mean it like that she can't see anything I can't see shit Wins and I were at the airport and like you came and I was like hey and I was like oh wait she can't see anything I knew that you had to wait to get here before you can see me. It's really funny because oftentimes I'll be walking toward people and I'll watch, I know the thing is like a big wave.

[1351] I'll see a movement like this and then I'll see the mouth get smaller and smaller where it looks like I'm just icing someone where it's like, they're like, hey, Karen, I'm just like walking.

[1352] And then she goes, oh.

[1353] Yeah, and I'm disclosed.

[1354] I'm like, oh my God, hi.

[1355] And they're already sad.

[1356] Sorry, this is like, the Hangman's Journal is like a fucking scrapbook.

[1357] That looks like a picture.

[1358] of a pelvis.

[1359] It does.

[1360] You can go read that somewhere around this town.

[1361] Okay.

[1362] Probably at this prison we're having brunch out tomorrow.

[1363] Let's turn into brunch, and I'll have a mom -as.

[1364] So, but he gave all the details of all the hangings?

[1365] I think it was like a diary where he's like, dear diary.

[1366] Today I hanged a person.

[1367] I feel pretty good about it because they were bad.

[1368] It's my job.

[1369] They're making me do it.

[1370] Yeah.

[1371] So, okay, so they think that he was hanged, but legend, I just burp, Legend also has it that the locals were permitted to provide the rope and gallows.

[1372] Isn't that cool?

[1373] What?

[1374] Like the people were so fucking pissed off about this guy murdering their people that they were like here's the rope and here's the gallows.

[1375] Hang that motherfucker.

[1376] Oh, they like built the gallows and we're just like, they're basically like look, we'll take care of everything.

[1377] You just get your hangman up here.

[1378] Yeah, tell him to bring his diary because this one's going to be good.

[1379] Write this down.

[1380] Yeah.

[1381] We built the gallows So that's the story of Edward Lomaski The Brownout Strangler Wow Nice Thank you It's all you That was good You did it Well we did it We did it That was That was That was an American special That we brought over to you You kill him We'll grill them Shit Uh Is it time for hometown murder?

[1382] It's time for a town home number.

[1383] Let's see.

[1384] Is there a way we could get a little bit of light?

[1385] We can see if there's anyone that has a story they'd like to tell us.

[1386] Nobody here.

[1387] Yeah, let's do kind of a brown -out lighting situation so that we can't really see anything.

[1388] Do you want to do it?

[1389] Do you want to do it?

[1390] Come on.

[1391] Yeah.

[1392] Karen picks.

[1393] Stephen is.

[1394] I think that way.

[1395] Don't trip.

[1396] Joe fall down.

[1397] Hello.

[1398] Hello.

[1399] Hey, it's a dress.

[1400] Are they?

[1401] Are they?

[1402] I'm falling off stockings.

[1403] It's okay, guys.

[1404] Is this from our...

[1405] Is this from Dangerfield?

[1406] I know.

[1407] This is so cute.

[1408] We're acting like the one store we've been to is the only store in Melbourne.

[1409] Is this from the one place we've been to?

[1410] Yeah.

[1411] I heard you guys don't have any others.

[1412] Hi, what's your name?

[1413] Hi, Rebecca.

[1414] Hi, Rebecca.

[1415] Where are you from?

[1416] Everyone will cheer for you.

[1417] Thank you.

[1418] The Yarra Valley.

[1419] Okay.

[1420] So, I have a few, but I'll just do one.

[1421] If it's really good, you can do more.

[1422] Yeah.

[1423] Or if it's really bad.

[1424] Okay, go ahead.

[1425] I won't use exact names because I still live next door to my mom.

[1426] So weird how you can't see anyone out there.

[1427] That's so creepy.

[1428] I know, right?

[1429] No, I know.

[1430] It's better.

[1431] It's better.

[1432] Just look up into the light.

[1433] This is so days off.

[1434] So basically, my mom and dad moved to Coldstream.

[1435] I don't know if you know cold stream.

[1436] Of course we know cold stream.

[1437] They know it.

[1438] Along the Maroinda Highway.

[1439] So basically, high traffic area.

[1440] and they start building this house, and there's an old little barn out the back, a little bit creepy.

[1441] And basically, where they're going to build the house, there's a big tree out the front, big cherry blossom, massive cherry blossom.

[1442] My dad's like, I really think I need to cut this down.

[1443] Why?

[1444] Well, where the house was going to be so they could keep the old barn.

[1445] Oh, right, okay.

[1446] Yeah, yeah.

[1447] So the neighbour comes over, and he's this big, massive guy, big beard.

[1448] My dad's like a skinny kind of crocodile dundee.

[1449] Oh, yeah.

[1450] We know him.

[1451] We know him.

[1452] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1453] We have.

[1454] He could shut the tree down with this big knife.

[1455] Yeah.

[1456] So you imagine this other guy that's massive and my dad's kind of skinny.

[1457] I want to control problem.

[1458] Anyway.

[1459] So this guy tells him, don't cut down the tree.

[1460] No matter what you do, do not cut down this tree.

[1461] Oh, chill, dude.

[1462] That's super chill.

[1463] Yeah.

[1464] And so dad's like, watch me. Oh.

[1465] The next day comes in with a backer.

[1466] but the tree's been cut down and there's a big hole right around the tree oh no this is really suss dad's like what the hell's going on so anyway pulls up the tree talks to the guy next door doesn't know anything apparently as you do and then so we build the house over the top where this tree was straight away which ends up being my bedroom no no there ends up being horrific hauntings so no yes So this is like...

[1467] Sit down, sit down, sit down.

[1468] It starts off with my brother.

[1469] So he's first in the room.

[1470] So there's 10 years between my brother and I. Okay.

[1471] So my brother Adam wakes up.

[1472] There's these horrible, horrific noises in the room.

[1473] Basically, this ghost likes musical instruments.

[1474] I don't know if you're believing ghosts, but anyway.

[1475] Sure, I do now.

[1476] It doesn't matter.

[1477] Tell your story.

[1478] So you learn the recorder at primary school, basically.

[1479] Then you go up to the guitar.

[1480] So by grade six, he's like, master this guitar.

[1481] every night family wakes up to the guitar strumming.

[1482] Oh, oh, no, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1483] So, 10 years on, I'm just born, basically, and my dad liked the ukulele.

[1484] So he would come in...

[1485] You guys are going to just not have string instruments in your fucking house anymore.

[1486] So basically, what keeps happening is these horrible things keep happening in our family.

[1487] Things like you'd be in the shower and shampoo bottles would come down on, you.

[1488] Like one after the other?

[1489] Yeah.

[1490] Yeah.

[1491] Yeah.

[1492] Yeah.

[1493] Like, creepy as fuck.

[1494] Like, petrifying shit, right?

[1495] Anyway, so eventually, these things keep happening.

[1496] And I'm about four or five.

[1497] And I say to my mom, I feel like there's something wrong at the neighbors.

[1498] There's something really strange.

[1499] That would have great.

[1500] But she said it, and she was in a nightgown and her hair was wet.

[1501] And her eyes were white.

[1502] I don't know what's wrong.

[1503] something's wrong mommy so basically the next day we're all sitting down for dinner and I actually sent you in this email as well about it anyway we read it we loved it so basically the next day we're all sitting down for dinner police come raiding through our house they come through our house they're basically like if you have somewhere safe to put the kids put the kids so my brothers are older we all went in the bathroom stay there.

[1504] What the fuck?

[1505] Dad gets out his knife, literally.

[1506] Yeah.

[1507] That's tough.

[1508] That's not a knife.

[1509] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1510] Yeah, it's like, you call that a knife?

[1511] Yeah.

[1512] And basically the police raid goes through our house to the next door neighbors.

[1513] They go through the back paddocks.

[1514] We call them paddocks.

[1515] And then through the front of the house.

[1516] Yeah, okay.

[1517] Yeah, yeah.

[1518] Yeah, yeah.

[1519] Oh, yeah.

[1520] Okay.

[1521] Got it.

[1522] And basically, a body is found in their backyard.

[1523] Well, this is the big bearded guy's backyard.

[1524] Yeah, yeah.

[1525] Yeah, yeah, big, yeah, the freaky guy.

[1526] Okay.

[1527] Yeah.

[1528] And there's other bones that are found on the premises as well.

[1529] They believe they were buried.

[1530] There was tree roots through it.

[1531] Oh, my God.

[1532] I know, right?

[1533] It's like, ooh.

[1534] Then, oh, my God.

[1535] Then, a couple years passed.

[1536] So the father's been put away.

[1537] At this point, his daughter is about 1920.

[1538] And a body is found a cultural.

[1539] tip.

[1540] She's almost decapitated.

[1541] She's been injected with battery acid.

[1542] Battery acid in a sleeping bag, bound up with a phone cord when we used to actually have phone cords, yeah?

[1543] Horrific.

[1544] They can't move the body because this, the daughter, which they didn't know at the time, her name's Karen.

[1545] Uh -oh.

[1546] Yeah.

[1547] She has a thing where she always comes back to the body.

[1548] and every single time they've missed her.

[1549] So they've moved the body and missed that chance of her coming back and trying to bury it or get rid of evidence.

[1550] So they're like, we've got to leave the body.

[1551] So they're talking to the mother and they're like, we can't move the body, I'm so sorry.

[1552] So it gets quite emotional.

[1553] The whole town is like this girl, like we don't know the body's being found.

[1554] We don't know anything about it.

[1555] It's all top secret.

[1556] Haven't they heard of a mannequin with a fucking picture tape on its face?

[1557] That's not the same.

[1558] I wouldn't know where she was.

[1559] Anyway, so basically, Karen comes back with dynamite to blow up the body.

[1560] Holy shit!

[1561] And this is...

[1562] Really quick.

[1563] You're not a compulsive liar.

[1564] I just want to check.

[1565] I don't care.

[1566] It's great.

[1567] It doesn't matter.

[1568] But this is like...

[1569] Later on she does it again with dynamite.

[1570] She has a thing with dynamite.

[1571] Okay.

[1572] What?

[1573] So this girl had been...

[1574] It was a drug deal gone wrong.

[1575] Karen was a drug dealer and she had to have a little bit out.

[1576] Wait, this is the daughter of the neighbours.

[1577] So Ian was a really bad guy that hid the body underneath where our house was and then had a body in the backyard.

[1578] And then Karen's the daughter, who's in a almost, she's about 19, 20, right now.

[1579] So basically, drug deal's gone wrong.

[1580] She was living in Lillydale.

[1581] She moved back in with her dad after this girl was killed.

[1582] Now, she gets the dynamite, comes back to blow up this body.

[1583] It's not a solution.

[1584] Yeah.

[1585] So when she comes back, basically the cops jump on her.

[1586] So she's done for, she's arrested.

[1587] Her boyfriend was waiting in the car.

[1588] Now, when she does her statement, so basically she ruts out her boyfriend, she got less time because she was making sandwiches in the kitchen while they were torturing this girl for 48 hours.

[1589] It's repulsive.

[1590] Oh, my God.

[1591] Yeah, so she got less time because of that.

[1592] so disgusting.

[1593] So, yeah, I know, right?

[1594] And this is happening next door while you're growing up?

[1595] Well, no, so this is, so the daughter, she was mostly living at Lilydale.

[1596] So she's doing all these drug deals and stuff like that.

[1597] Whereas Ian had moved out, so just his wife was still there.

[1598] Okay, okay.

[1599] Okay, so basically Karen then gets out of jail a few years later.

[1600] Her boyfriend's still in jail.

[1601] She gets dynamite to blow out her boyfriend out of jail.

[1602] Karen.

[1603] Karen, there's other things in the world.

[1604] Jesus Christ.

[1605] Her mom's like, would you do the dishes?

[1606] She's like, yeah, I've got the perfect solution.

[1607] Dana, mate.

[1608] It's just what she does.

[1609] Oh, my God.

[1610] So she ends up going back into jail, obviously.

[1611] He does more time.

[1612] Fast forward about, I think it was about three or four years ago.

[1613] She ends up moving back in next door to my mom.

[1614] But it's okay.

[1615] She's a born -again Christian.

[1616] Oh, my God.

[1617] Amen, amen, amen.

[1618] So, God.

[1619] Yeah, Jesus for good.

[1620] So, yeah, yeah.

[1621] Like, all that shit.

[1622] The death are cleared.

[1623] The thing that, like, really fucked me. Jesus does love dynamite.

[1624] Loves it.

[1625] So, in the end, yeah, my mom still lives next to all of them.

[1626] Oh, my God.

[1627] Do you guys have them over for Christmas every?

[1628] Yeah, like, what's Fourth of July like?

[1629] Just really tense?

[1630] They don't have that here.

[1631] Yeah, that's the same.

[1632] story of the jewels.

[1633] That was my last day.

[1634] Rebecca.

[1635] You guys, Rebecca.

[1636] Spot her.

[1637] She's dizzy.

[1638] So are we.

[1639] Wow.

[1640] You guys.

[1641] That was very powerful.

[1642] That was super a lot.

[1643] It was a real journey for all of us.

[1644] I believe in ghosts now.

[1645] I didn't believe in ghosts before.

[1646] I don't know.

[1647] Guitar playing ghosts.

[1648] We're so scared.

[1649] I'm so scared.

[1650] Gripping each other.

[1651] It's also freezing up here.

[1652] You guys, this has been such an amazing show.

[1653] Thank you so.

[1654] What a kickoff for this run.

[1655] We're so excited to be in Australia.

[1656] You guys are so fucking nice.

[1657] It's amazing.

[1658] I'm so happy to be here.

[1659] We're so happy to be here.

[1660] And, of course, we just want you to stay sexy.

[1661] And jump!