112 - Galore Galore!

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Hey, this is exciting.

[2] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[3] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[4] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[5] Who killed Saz?

[6] And were they really after Charles?

[7] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[8] This season, murder hits close to home.

[9] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[10] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[11] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[12] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[13] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[14] Only Martyrs in the building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[15] Goodbye.

[16] Hi.

[17] Hello.

[18] Welcome.

[19] Georgia to my favorite.

[20] Med it.

[21] There we are.

[22] When we do the switch -up thing, it immediately feels like I'm in second grade.

[23] I immediately want to ruin it.

[24] It's, you mean like just say the line that isn't your line?

[25] Yeah, because I hate it.

[26] I know, it's really dumb.

[27] Like blow it all up to the moon, you know?

[28] Yeah, that, that's the feeling I get to.

[29] But also, it's so easy to follow.

[30] It is.

[31] And you just know what to do.

[32] And it's catchy and there's a jingle.

[33] It kind of reminds me, it reminds me a camp.

[34] Oh.

[35] my favorite camping stories um do you oh I have a right off the book well no you want to write off the bat this thing corrections corner myself get out in front of even the show itself to correct yourself at last I just want to say someone putting out to be on Twitter last week during my murder I said the word transvestite I should have said transgender and I think even in my mind I wasn't totally like clear on on the differences yeah I think the person who wrote to us and and lots of people were saying what a good call in and not a call out the person said it's the modern phrase is trans yeah so I screwed that up and I'm a hundred percent will do my best to move forward and fuck in just do it right well here's the thing and it was was such a lovely lovely phrase tweet but I have I don't know No. Like when someone says, you know, the common parlance is trans, I just am speaking from what I've known from when I heard people talk about it.

[36] So it's like we do need those updates.

[37] Absolutely.

[38] And like, you know, I think I copied and pasted some fucking thing from Wikipedia and just was reading it.

[39] And I need to stop and think about it when I'm doing shit like that.

[40] And I know, even though I think I'm like, it was so hard about being corrected when you think you're fucking liberal and woke as fucking like on it.

[41] It's so hard to be like, I didn't screw up.

[42] I support everyone.

[43] You can still screw up.

[44] That's okay.

[45] And also it's just, it's just that fine tuning of, it's not a massive screw up.

[46] It's just a person going, ugh, that just, I don't, it makes me feel discluded or it makes me feel bad.

[47] Or it's perpetuating a negative stereotype, but I 100 % don't want to be part of it.

[48] No, no, no. There's no time for that.

[49] On this podcast, of all the things we're trying to do, that's the last fucking thing we're trying to do.

[50] Absolutely.

[51] Um, it also, I will say in that same vein, in a corrections vein, um, maybe not all the way in the corner, but somebody on Twitter was like, hey, have you guys ever talked about wind river?

[52] And I was literally standing in my backyard, like doing one thing.

[53] And then I just wrote, we did and hit send.

[54] I wasn't even really thinking about it.

[55] I was like, I was getting four things done at once.

[56] We did.

[57] And then that she took it as like, like, she jokingly was like, I was chided, but then I, whatever.

[58] And then I, but I really.

[59] meant this.

[60] I was like, I really didn't mean it that way.

[61] Of course it seemed that way.

[62] It's Twitter and whatever.

[63] But what I did like that she was bringing up, her point was what, and our point was when we talked about it on the podcast, is when River is such a great movie because it's finally bringing light to like the murder and missing indigenous women of America and also of Canada.

[64] Right.

[65] And then they mentioned this podcast that I had meant to mention a while ago and hadn't but so the podcast is called missing and murdered and season one I listened to and loved it called who it was about who it was titled who killed Alberta Williams and that was really good and the new season just came out and this one's called Finding Cleo and it's hosted by and like you know made by Connie Walker who's an investigative reporter and an indigenous woman herself yeah so it's really it's really good I I'm gonna listen to finding Cleo now but the first one who killed about Alberta Williams was really good.

[66] Yeah, I can't wait to listen to, but you have to look up missing and murdered as the name.

[67] The name of it is missing a murder.

[68] Right.

[69] Yeah.

[70] Um, I would, I liked that because I was also going to say on Twitter and then I was like, never explain anything on Twitter.

[71] It's such, it's so pointless.

[72] But I wanted to say, like when we did our Vancouver show last, the last time we were on tour and we were in Vancouver, I wanted to do the highway of the tears, but the, there are so many victims and there's no, there's kind of no single story.

[73] It's just all these disappearances and all these really sad stories.

[74] So it was like, I wanted to explain on Twitter.

[75] Yeah, I've never tackled that because once I started looking into it, it was this expansive And they each have their, they each should be their own episode.

[76] Like Alberta Williams in this one is one of the women from the highway of tears, but it has not, you know, it's, it maybe has nothing to do with any of the other women and it's its own, it's like, you know, multi -part story itself.

[77] So it's so hard to.

[78] Each one of those cases should be it's like it's it gets so vast it's very much like the grim sleeper yeah it had it went on for so long that there are so many people that you're talking about that you can't not under under like serve right those victims and their stories I was going to do like three of the three victims or one of the victims was it was solved when they found out that it was the serial killer and it was caught in a really cool way but then it's none of the women who this was solved about we're indigenous so then I was like I'm gonna only do the highway of tears with the non -indigenous women and that doesn't sound right so I didn't do that one well that's kind of yeah that's not the point for what that story is so it's very cool that there are people that are dedicating entire true crime podcast to that area and thank you guys to the people who brought all that stuff up for us on Twitter we appreciate it yeah yeah now fun times in the sunshine.

[79] Let's go fun.

[80] Let's have some fun.

[81] Let's go to camp.

[82] We had a little campy kind of event because on the podcast, I said I wanted to take a tour of jet propulsion laboratories, which is a place here in very close to where we are right now in Pasadena, where they build things like the Mars rover and things that they put on Mars and other planets.

[83] That's Mars is the only one I know, but so in saying that on the podcast, we got some responses from people who actually worked at JPL who were like, I can give you a tour.

[84] And the person that I guess either Stephen picked or seemed the most credible, maybe it was the most high end.

[85] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[86] Like, we got the guy.

[87] I was betting it, yeah.

[88] Yeah, Stephen was go, he was only going for the superstars of JPL.

[89] Um, we got a guy who is, uh, an engineer named Lou Gersh.

[90] And he is in charge.

[91] all right listen to this shit he is in charge of uh entry dissent and landing systems analysis for the Europa project Europa being a moon of Jupiter sure which Georgia knew she already know that even though I didn't go because I was sick that's right it was me it was Stephen it was our friend Scotty Landis and we took a full on tour of this place it's like this gorgeous college campus but only smart people which that's the way colleges should be and did you see that guy when we were walking in a building there was a guy that walked out and he was wearing a total like blues brother's suit but he had kind of like longish like early 80s guy hair and he was I was like look at that rocket scientist he's so cute like every everywhere I looked I was like that's the most fascinating person like everyone just seemed so cool and smart and they were all working on putting things onto different planets oh my god it was incredible can I say can I tell you a love story Sure.

[92] I know a girl named Nicolette and her Sheridan.

[93] Her like super gorgeous husband is a super smart rocket scientist.

[94] Loving it.

[95] I think he works at JPL.

[96] He was sending, when they first started dating, he was sending listen, I'm getting all of this wrong, but essentially he sent a thing to a planet.

[97] Maybe it was the moon.

[98] I don't remember.

[99] But is the moon a planet or is just our moon?

[100] A fucking rock.

[101] He sent it to a thing to a place and he fucking and wrote her name on the machine that was landing on the moon or Jupiter or Mars.

[102] Nicolette.

[103] So it's going to be there.

[104] And it's, you know, it stays there forever.

[105] They can't send them back.

[106] So he wrote her name.

[107] That's like when you really like someone?

[108] Oh, my God.

[109] How sweet is that?

[110] I love it.

[111] All in all, just, it was an incredible experience.

[112] Lou was the best, he was the best guide.

[113] We got to see the coolest things.

[114] He's an incredibly.

[115] friendly, smart, cool guy.

[116] And his wife, Lindsay is also a listener.

[117] So hi, you guys.

[118] And thank you so, so much.

[119] We actually got to shop at the JPL gift store at the end, bought my dad a hat, got my niece a sweatshirt, got myself a sweatshirt.

[120] I was going to buy you a shirt.

[121] And then I looked at it.

[122] I was like, this is cute.

[123] She liked this font.

[124] And I was like, really do it.

[125] And then I'm like, she will never wear the shirt.

[126] Like, this is not your style.

[127] You just wanted to spend money.

[128] I did.

[129] It was so fun to shop.

[130] And they had like, Stephen, you bought.

[131] I bought, I bought space ice cream.

[132] I love that they haven't changed the package since we were children, right?

[133] Yeah, it's insane.

[134] Astronaut, neon colors.

[135] Neapolitan ice cream, too.

[136] And how was it?

[137] It wasn't good.

[138] No. I took one bite and I turned to Karen and I was like, oh, this is bad.

[139] But it was like that thing of like, I would always see that and I'd want it.

[140] And of course, my dad or my mom would be like, no. Yeah.

[141] And then I finally was like, I have my own money.

[142] It's my life.

[143] They were right.

[144] you're just like, oh, yeah, this is what substitutes as ice cream in the furthest, darkest space.

[145] Because ice cream is good.

[146] Ice cream is good.

[147] So anyway, the next time you hear about any kind of a, any rover of any type being landed on Europa, which is a moon of Jupiter, that's Lou.

[148] That's Lou, that's Lou, baby.

[149] Thanks, Lou and his team and everybody else to JPL, the coolest, the coolest scientists around.

[150] It's the coolest.

[151] Can we say R. A .P. Stephen Hawking.

[152] Oh, very nice.

[153] Nice fold in.

[154] N cap.

[155] Did you see my tweet where my dad texted me at 11, 10 .45 at night and goes, I read a thing where Stephen Hawking died.

[156] Amazing.

[157] What does that mean?

[158] I think he meant like, what amazing life?

[159] He meant a bunch of stuff that he didn't write.

[160] Such a dad.

[161] It made me laugh so.

[162] heart amazing where it's like yeah you mean dying dying being a human being it is amazing i love it all right i also found out i i got some information for my dad my mom used to give my dad shit all the time because he used to have a jewish girlfriend when he was in his 20s and she she would be like i know you liked her more than me she knew her name for some reason it was like a running joke between them and last night we were talking when i called my dad to console him about his amazement about Stephen Hawking's death somehow that came up because he found out she was next door neighbors or he knew and told me she was next door neighbors with Dick Van Dyke when she was growing up and I'm like oh so she was like rich rich and he goes oh yeah they lived in Bel Air and I'm like I go dad I'm going there you could have been rich a rich kid I could have been half Jewish and half Irish which is so badass imagine yeah the confidence and the guilt um anyway so I told my dad I texted my dad that I was going to find her address and go ring the doorbell and say that I was the family's long lost daughter and he wrote don't embarrass me um anyway I'm going to embarrass my family so much on stage on Friday I'm going to do it anyways it's not about them no it's not it's not it's about you it's about me please focus on what's important me in a jumpsuit that doesn't doesn't look good on me. We're going to get you the best outfit.

[163] You know what we're going to do, you know, we're going to do Karen.

[164] We're going to get you a big chunky necklace.

[165] We're going to cinch it at the waist.

[166] We're going to belt it.

[167] We're going to belt it and cinch it.

[168] We're going to get spank's arm sleeves.

[169] That's fucking right.

[170] We're going to wear, you're going to wear like long gloves up to your fucking tits.

[171] It's going to be amazing.

[172] You know what we're going to do?

[173] We're going to send my tits out by themselves and just let them do the show.

[174] Opening number.

[175] Lead with the tits.

[176] Yes.

[177] Absolutely.

[178] I actually thought of that where I'm like, What if this is this show where I just go out, just L .A. style and be like Angeline Cleavage and a fan across my face.

[179] You could, you have you had to hold on a second.

[180] You know what we haven't talked about?

[181] What?

[182] Did you see the thing that someone posted on Twitter?

[183] And they're like, you were in the.

[184] Oh, that British.

[185] I shouldn't want to talk about it.

[186] Oh, my God.

[187] It made me laugh my ass off.

[188] Okay.

[189] They said, you were in the observer, some British, like newspaper.

[190] and it was only a picture of Georgia.

[191] I know, and it's like the best photo of me. It's such a good picture.

[192] Thank God.

[193] Well, you know what I was thinking?

[194] It's only me. It's hilarious.

[195] Why did that happen?

[196] One of a couple reasons, but I don't think there's any decent picture of me where I'm standing like full body that I would be the same size as you even look normal next to you.

[197] But there's a really great photo that Robin Von Swing took of us are like publicity.

[198] Yeah, but it wouldn't have fit in that lineup because they were trying to fit those five people because it was like five podcasts and i look like i'm fucking hanging out with the osborns you you look like you are on a red carpet like hollywood style i was and when i looked at for what for this for like the food the food taste awards like the food oh yeah and this is like three years ago and i clearly look like that's my best i'll ever be no i doubt it um no you've got so much more ahead of you girl thank you i was i have to say i was insanely relieved because i was just Like, I don't know a picture that I can imagine being put next to that picture that I would be like, oh, great, my midsection is in that newspaper.

[199] But what's also really funny is Josie, I'm not going to be able to remember her last name offhand, but she's a little bit further down.

[200] And she's the one that used, she's a British woman that used to be on whose line is it anyway with Greg Proops and Ryan Stiles all the time.

[201] Like the original one, she's super.

[202] Hold on.

[203] I want to say Josie Moran, but that's not right.

[204] and she is truly one of the...

[205] Oh, I took a photo of it.

[206] She's one of the funniest people on the planet.

[207] Hold on, hold on.

[208] And I wonder if the girl that tweeted it to us, because that's how I saw it, if she thought that that was me. Oh.

[209] I mean, I doubt it.

[210] Josie Lawrence.

[211] Josie Lawrence.

[212] Yeah.

[213] Is one of the best improvisers there is and one of the funniest women on the planet.

[214] So I was like, well, maybe she's mistaking us.

[215] Look how sassy I look in this.

[216] Yeah, I know, I know.

[217] Who is that girl?

[218] Good luck with your fucking podcast.

[219] All right.

[220] It's my turn.

[221] I want to look like her.

[222] Do her seat.

[223] Like at your stuff, I'm like, oh.

[224] Yes.

[225] I want to look like her.

[226] No, it's such a good picture.

[227] I'm happy about that.

[228] okay, I found a new, okay, I wonder if you've never heard of it.

[229] Like a new police crime drama.

[230] Hit me. On Netflix.

[231] Okay.

[232] I'm gonna get, I feel like I wanted to text you over the weekend because I've been sick and Vince was gone.

[233] So I just fucking binge watch this shit.

[234] And I was like, I'm going to tell Karen.

[235] It's Norwegian.

[236] It's Norwegian.

[237] the break no uh it's Norwegian the dark no which is great because uh you you read it it's subtitled so you can eat crackers really loudly and you don't have to turn it louder yeah which i realized over the weekend how great that was it's called borderliner yes i just started it oh my god how hot is the cop it's crazy and he's secret gay secret gay which is always making out with the other hottest guy who's a lawyer i for some reason i didn't see that coming when you're watching a foreign show i always from watching so many of them i'm like i know what this usually contains you're going to set up like the haggard mother that's still getting it all done and a cop or then the the female cop's going to come along and she's hot and they're going to make out yes you just think you know all the tropes yeah so that and that guy started kissing that other guy like we were only in it for two and a half minutes.

[238] Totally.

[239] It was shockingly hot.

[240] It was surprisingly exciting.

[241] He is the guy who plays hot gay cop whose name I don't have and probably couldn't pronounce if I wanted to.

[242] Right.

[243] It's Finch Stodster's daughter.

[244] Right.

[245] It's so beautiful.

[246] Yeah.

[247] So, such a handsome cop guy.

[248] But anyways, I'm like almost down with it and it's really good.

[249] Shit keeps happening.

[250] Shit keeps happening where I'm like, I would have just told already.

[251] Like, they keep getting themselves deeper and deeper oh like yeah i know sometimes like the line of you can't suspend disbelief that long but i get it when it's like well if i now tell i'm in even more trouble than if i should have told in the beginning now i'm fucked it needs to keep happening yeah but i don't know it's good and there's a strong female lead who's like on to everyone's lies and it's just like going for the truth she's a fucking detective as well love it going for it there's something about those foreign procedures maybe it is the subtitles that I really love.

[252] Yeah, it's so much, I like it.

[253] They make it very clear.

[254] Yeah.

[255] I've spent all day by myself typing in some version, most of it with you.

[256] But just lots and lots of typing and writing in silence.

[257] Yeah.

[258] So I'm really just getting these words up on their feet right now.

[259] Just trying some stuff out.

[260] And I just keep saying things and then going like, don't, what?

[261] No. I spent the weekend alone and I left the house for 15 minutes maybe.

[262] because Vince was gone, you know, and I, like, didn't change my clothes.

[263] I didn't shower.

[264] I was just like, here's, and then it was a good reminder of like, here's what you're like alone.

[265] Not everyone, but I am a particularly bad single person.

[266] Yes.

[267] So it was nice, a nice reminder.

[268] And then not talking, but then I realized I was talking because I was just having whole conversations with my cats.

[269] Yes.

[270] You know, that's, that's where we go to.

[271] Narrating their lives.

[272] I mean, And I start fake arguments just to entertain myself where I'll be like, what are you two doing in here?

[273] And they're just laying there, like, watching me only with their eyes moving.

[274] Oh, that's so fun.

[275] Yeah.

[276] It's, there's nothing like being a hermit.

[277] Should we go?

[278] We can just like do it.

[279] Let's just get into it.

[280] I feel like I had just had one more other thing to tell you, though.

[281] Oh, I was just going to say, I'm really excited for our L .A. show.

[282] We have to do it.

[283] LA show in two days.

[284] I'm super excited, but I'm starting to get insanely nervous.

[285] It's so much higher stakes.

[286] Yeah.

[287] Because people we know are going to be there.

[288] It feels like it feels like we've done all these great shows with all these amazing people all around the country and have these amazing experiences.

[289] And they were all people we didn't know.

[290] Right.

[291] And there's no way we can prove it.

[292] I know.

[293] It doesn't matter that all that great stuff happened because now it's just like now you just got to put up or shut up in your hometown.

[294] It's going to be like some of my girlfriends are coming and my fucking mom and dad are coming and like my aunt might come and then all our agents are going to be there.

[295] It's going to be scary.

[296] It's like feels official and then it also feels like, you know.

[297] I also feel like last time we played L .A. and did the orpheum, I didn't do like it was, I was new at it.

[298] Yes.

[299] So I wasn't on my game.

[300] It was a while ago.

[301] Yeah.

[302] And so I feel like I, this is now my time.

[303] prove to all these L .A. people that I don't suck anymore.

[304] Which is hilarious.

[305] So no pressure.

[306] As if you haven't been performing and posting live shows where you, it's in no way suck.

[307] But L .A. doesn't know that.

[308] No, I know.

[309] L .A. doesn't know anything.

[310] And that's the problem is that like it's very, when we, when this podcast started to actually get popular in a way that, that actually mattered to me where I was just like, nah, like in the beginning, I just didn't buy it.

[311] And you would show me things.

[312] I'd just be like, This is a bunch of bullshit.

[313] And I did, look.

[314] And you'd like, stop getting excited.

[315] It's going to end.

[316] It's going to end.

[317] Don't be, I just needed to curb your, I want, I didn't want to see the heartbreak.

[318] I just wanted to get it over with.

[319] Like, this thing is going to fucking snap back on both of us so hard.

[320] You're going to regret the day that you were happy.

[321] You will rue the day you asked me over.

[322] But, so to have it, when something matters in L .A., I just, it's like, I've lived her for 25 years, and nothing fucking matters.

[323] Like, nothing punches through.

[324] Right.

[325] So then, too, actually.

[326] punched through you think that's what you want to do then it starts happening and you're like oh my god well i think that's like that for anyone with success with low self -esteem or with like low self -worth is when you get success you doubt it so much that you're like any kind of success you're like bullshit who's why are you fucking with me you know instead of being like this is great and i'm enjoying it right because you plan for what you plan for how it's going to happen and like my therapist told me i worship at the altar of doubt.

[327] And so anything good that happens, I'm like, no, and here's why.

[328] And it's good that I feel this way.

[329] Yeah.

[330] Because now I'm taking care of myself.

[331] Right.

[332] It's just that it takes time to catch up.

[333] So then I feel like I'm just catching up in these last couple days where I was like, shoot, I meant to lose 40 pounds.

[334] Oh, shoot.

[335] I meant to do this and that.

[336] Like, oh, shoot, we were going to decorate the stage or whatever.

[337] Like it felt like it was, we were supposed to do some big, like we're auditioning for our own show.

[338] It's Wednesday and I just was like, maybe we should get our makeup done.

[339] And I emailed him like a friend and I'm like, she's got to have a job that day.

[340] She's not going to do it.

[341] Here's the thing.

[342] I know it's going to be fun.

[343] And I know that when I am nervous for something, which doesn't happen that often because I'm an old been around the block.

[344] You're being very mean to yourself this episode.

[345] And I'm going to have to ask you to stop being mean to my friend.

[346] Okay.

[347] All right.

[348] But I'm just saying it's fun to be excited.

[349] Yeah.

[350] at this late date.

[351] It's going to be great.

[352] It's all people supporting us except my mom.

[353] And it's just going to be amazing.

[354] I'm just going to focus on Janet's face the whole time.

[355] If I don't do well, she'll be so disappointing to me. Jesus.

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[357] Absolutely.

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[377] Hey, this is exciting.

[378] An all new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on Audubon.

[379] August 27th.

[380] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[381] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[382] Who killed Saz?

[383] And were they really after Charles?

[384] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[385] This season, murder hits close to home.

[386] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[387] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[388] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

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[392] Bye.

[393] I think it's you, right?

[394] Didn't I do it last time?

[395] Oh, okay.

[396] I go first the same.

[397] Yeah.

[398] Great.

[399] This is a case that I brought up a while back and couldn't remember the name of it, and everyone told me, of course, that was listening.

[400] And I couldn't, I couldn't remember, but I was so obsessed with this when I first heard about it.

[401] So I'm so surprised I haven't done this one yet.

[402] This is the murder of Rachel Hoffman.

[403] Okay.

[404] And the creation of Rachel's Law.

[405] And I heavily leaned on a 2012 New Yorker magazine article called The Throwaways by Sarah Stillman.

[406] And like, she wrote the piece at like won awards.

[407] It's so good.

[408] Okay, great.

[409] So she, listen.

[410] just used a lot of her stuff cool and she's and thank you okay so rachel morning star hoffman was born december 17th 1984 she was this bright friendly open lovely person um everyone who met her loved her and by 20 2008 oh so recently okay yeah by 2008 so she's 23 years old she had just graduated from Florida State University in Tallahassee also where Ted Bundy finished up uh -huh yeah with an undergraduate degree in criminal justice oh and psychology well so she's also she'd also intern as a mental health at a mental health institute um and she had just been admitted to a master's program in mental health counseling but she was also considering culinary school because she wanted to use cooking to connect with at -risk youth and like and counsel them through cooking wow she's like a fucking good person that's a great idea too yeah right so picture like young pre oh my god what the fuck myly cyrus she kind of looked like that like like little hannah montana before she transformed into hana i don't know i didn't watch the show but i long hair yeah like long pretty red hair cute face she looked like she like like a hippie like a hippie jock that you, you know, would know.

[411] And she liked going to, like, music festivals, but not like Coachella, you know, with the fucking not, she wasn't using, um, cultural appropriation and going to like fish concerts and jam bands and shit.

[412] Why are you saying that like that's so much better?

[413] I mean, come on.

[414] I mean, they're, I would both rather stay home, but I'm not a 23 year old, am I?

[415] It's not an either or.

[416] There's so many other options.

[417] You're right.

[418] She was Jewish.

[419] She had been, you know, whatever.

[420] And she had a. social media account for her cats her cat whatever 2008 social media account was she made one for her cat she's just like yeah oh my space um but but but but she'd go to these music festivals with all her friends and she'd always wear this crazy purple uh fluffy hat that was her thing her signature look so it was jamiroquay appropriation exactly exactly so she was an only child and she was close to her parents but what they didn't know was that she was in a court ordered substance abuse program because in February of 2007, while she was a senior in college, police had pulled her over for speeding and found almost an ounce of pot in her car.

[421] Oh.

[422] Which isn't a lot of pot, right?

[423] I don't think so.

[424] But don't drive around.

[425] Oh, no, no. No, no, don't do it.

[426] Especially in Florida.

[427] Oh, God, no. You know what I mean?

[428] Like, California, don't do it.

[429] Right.

[430] Florida, don't, don't do it.

[431] Yeah.

[432] So it required that she take regular drug testing.

[433] But so instead of being charged with anything, they just made her go to this court -ordered substance abuse program.

[434] Quite.

[435] Right.

[436] She wasn't in prison.

[437] I mean, she didn't stay there or anything like that, but she had to go.

[438] And she was keeping that from her family?

[439] I don't think they knew.

[440] I'm pretty sure they didn't know.

[441] She did smoke pot, though, regularly, and she also sold it in small quantities to her friends around campus.

[442] College shit, you know?

[443] I'm not fucking saying it's okay at all.

[444] But if you're wearing a big, fuzzy hat, you're probably going to smell, sell small amounts of pot.

[445] And smell it.

[446] And you definitely smell like small amounts of pot.

[447] Well, it just so happens that her neighbors, a year later in April 2008, smelled pot.

[448] It's funny that you segmented into that.

[449] And coming from her apartment and we're like, called the cops.

[450] We're like, dude, do you got to check this house out.

[451] I think it's a drug house.

[452] What?

[453] I know.

[454] so really chill neighbors cool people the best neighbors right um i just remember when we lived on our old place and our neighbors were like up in up in our faces like live so close to us i once like yelled at some kid to be quiet because he was screaming his fucking head off and his mom yelled i know what you guys do just because boom smokes pod and she smelled it you know and i was like oh no good comeback you get it you're right your child should be able to scream as much as he wants because we smoke pot um okay okay so they when they searched they searched they searched her apartment because of this and they found um just under a quarter pound of weed four ecstasy pills and two valium pills and i asked Vince how baby how much is a quarter pound of marijuana and he like looked it up and told me and he said it would cost at that time around eight hundred to a thousand dollars oh so she's probably it's an intent to sell probably as well you don't have that much pot.

[455] Because of this, she could face serious prison time for felony charges, including possession of cannabis with intent to sell and maintaining a drug house.

[456] So she's freaking the fuck out over this.

[457] She had just gotten fucking admitted to this master's program.

[458] You know, what am I going to do?

[459] Blah, blah, blah.

[460] The officer in charge at this point, Ryan Pender knew that she was just a small time drug person supplying to her friends wasn't a fucking kingpin or whatever right so offers to make her a deal uh all she has to do is identify other marijuana dealers in town do you know this one i i feel like i have a shade of of it yeah um oh my god here we go yeah has to identify she just has to identify other pot dealers in town and she'll get off they won't even charge her with anything the answer has to be no always know I want a lawyer you can't be a snitch don't be a snitch don't do it you will trust that that's what's going to happen right the concept of anonymity please from all movies and TV we know that will be broken well here we go okay so she was like no I won't do that some of those people are her friends and she refused to snitch on her friends but then they were like well how about then instead you become a confidential informant see they call them in a drug sting operation like a bigger one and she thought that any charges would be reduced or even drops so she agreed to become a CI right so the next day she first tried to set up a another student at Florida State who was a small -time campus dealer and she felt so guilty about it that she called the guy and was and told him what she had planned to do she's just like a like look at her photo she's like a sweet baby angel and not that it's okay but she's clearly in of her fucking head yes well see that's the thing is that idea that you're going to here's how i'm going to solve things here i'm going to get a little extra spending money by not getting a job at staples what i'm going to do is is sell small amounts of like reasonable pot yeah and it's like that's fine except for you are now in the drug world exactly and that's how things spin out past your control like you're just pretending that you will have control yeah and you keep doing that and you keep doing that and you keep making bigger and bigger bets like we were talking about exactly like in Norwegian procedural dramas yes ask always get a lawyer immediately get that lawyer keep your mouth shut yeah um so the guy who she called and was like I'm sorry he he forgave her but also agreed to help her with police oh stuff so he the police had told uh Rachel at this point that run -of -the -mill pop bus would not fucking suffice um and they needed bigger dealers.

[461] So this was totally not Rachel's fucking thing.

[462] She didn't know bigger dealers.

[463] Right.

[464] But the Florida, the student that she had called was like, I know someone.

[465] There's a dude at a car detailing shop near campus who he's seen dealing drugs.

[466] And I, and he said, I bet he can hook you up.

[467] So she didn't even know this guy.

[468] Oh, no. So Rachel goes to the car shop and speaks with a guy.

[469] his name is Danielio Bradshaw.

[470] He's 23 and he gets his brother -in -law, Andre Green, who's 25, to help her as well.

[471] She lets them know she needs a bunch of cocaine, 1 ,500 ecstasy pills.

[472] Oh, no. And as she described it, a quote, small and pretty handgun.

[473] What?

[474] So, and they were like, why the fuck do you need, you little thing need a handgun?

[475] said, I'm a little Jewish girl.

[476] I need to protect myself.

[477] So this, I mean, she got caught with four ecstasy pills and they're giving her the total amount that they, that for all this would cost that they were going to give her was $13 ,000.

[478] So this is an amount that is that way beyond her level of comprehension as a drug person.

[479] Yeah, the thinking behind this of like, we're going to get a mole and it's a person who is not truly in the drug world.

[480] Totally.

[481] Like, it's such a sideways approach.

[482] Right.

[483] So on the afternoon of when the drug bust was supposed to go down when she was going to bust them.

[484] So Rachel goes to the police headquarters and Officer Pender places a surveillance wire and recording device in her purse, which I guess is totally against standard procedures.

[485] They usually hide it more and it's not in her purse.

[486] Yeah.

[487] Which also was weird that she would have to keep her purse on her the whole time, which probably looks suspicious.

[488] Yeah.

[489] So they give her $13 ,000 in marked bills.

[490] Can you imagine carrying $13 ,000 around with you?

[491] I do it a lot.

[492] That's just, it's how I'm comfortable just so I can get what I want.

[493] You always need cash on.

[494] I need.

[495] You always do.

[496] I always have to borrow like dollar bills for the ballet from you for some reason.

[497] I've never had dollar bills.

[498] You know what's really funny?

[499] I can't remember what happened, but I, something happened where I didn't have use of my ATM card.

[500] I'm sure I lost it.

[501] Or I just, a thing I often do is just, entirely blank on the pin like i'll just be staying there i'll be like no idea what that is and use it every day no idea oh i've done that like twice but so i keep uh somewhere in my home why would i ever say this but i mean i i keep cash so that i can always have it because that's kind of my weird fear so i also squirrel it away like just put i i'll put like three dollar bills in my car somewhere do you remember where you keep all of it no no it's just like i don't think about i don't want to look at it.

[502] It's just like, I know something is there just in case they need it.

[503] Well, they say like for the end days, you know, like you told, keep your gas tank full.

[504] Yeah.

[505] But also hide money in your house.

[506] Hide money and make sure the money is gold de blooms because no cash money won't help you.

[507] Well, you know my fucking dad bought me silver.

[508] He's like, that's true, silver.

[509] Paper money's not going to have any value during the end days.

[510] Right.

[511] Silver will always have value.

[512] He thinks that's what's going to happen.

[513] Why doesn't he buy you a whole bunch of bananas?

[514] Because.

[515] that third mad max fresh fruit was just the ultimate trading item Karen's on to something remember just get I don't know if bananas have seeds or if you have to grow a tree or whatever get a banana tree there is a mini banana tree in this complex is that true I can't imagine they're edible but just build a little fence around it and say please this is mine put a post a note that says this is my yogurt don't eat these bananas I have a lemon tree but that's in that's just going to give me a bunch of like canker soresors i want it no everyone's going to need a what's it called you know citrus yeah but the vitamin c for so they don't get scurvy yeah okay then i have to build my fence out be around my lemon tree and we're going to drink your pool water yeah frank already drinks the pool water all the time fucking franks fucking jacuzzi cat drinks the fucking pool water too and they they do it i'm i can guarantee you that the owner of jacuzzi cat they have like a one of those water things that has like a water things that has like a waterfall in it and they still won't drink that stuff.

[516] Animals.

[517] Am I right?

[518] Make them a MySpace page.

[519] My cats already have an Instagram account.

[520] Okay.

[521] So they, the police assure her that they would be watching her the entire time and listening.

[522] There were 19 law enforcement agents tracking her and a drug enforcement administration surveillance plan or plane was circling overhead.

[523] So she thought that they were, she was taking care of of right so she's supposed to meet the guys the drug dealers at a public park and then all these weird things happen like on her way there or maybe she had met them and they're like let's go to a different location which she wasn't supposed to do um they go to that location and then the agents had you know she had been breaking up because it was like an outdoor park there's not a lot of sales service it was not an indoor park it was not an indoor park wow it was not the biodome it was wasn't um this is the saddest thing her boyfriend when she texted him that she's on her way her boyfriend joked uh texted i kind of like you so be safe oh no i know so then she so she loses contact with the officer while she's on her way to the second location and by the time he hears from her again she tells him that they're she's following them to another location and this one's at the end of a dead end road and before so this is what pender officer pender says before he tell her not to go knowing that a dead end road is a really bad thing to be caught in he loses contact with her completely again but she didn't know that they had lost contact with her yeah because she's not a fucking cop she's not a trained anything exactly oh oh she didn't know they lost contact she didn't know that they couldn't even hear her wire because how would she know right because she had been on the cell phone with her, that dies.

[524] And she's like, well, I'm still wired.

[525] So she didn't know.

[526] And there was a helicopter at some point.

[527] So they must be monitoring me in some way.

[528] Right.

[529] So at this point, officers begin frantically searching the area trying to find her.

[530] And the DEA plane circles overhead, but there's like, because it's an outdoor park, there's all this dense brush ahead and overhead so they can't see anything.

[531] By the time they find the road and the turnoff off, Rachel and her car gone, everyone's gone, and instead they found a spent 25 -caliber round and two live ammunition rounds, six cigarette butts, and a single black flip -flop, which Rachel had been wearing when she left the station.

[532] Oh, no. I remember reading about this when it happened in 2008, so I was like 28, and like, just being so sad, but also I was picturing her and how that, how, you know, when she knew something was going down and how awful that would have felt.

[533] But also, you know, I had dabbled in drugs before and how easily I, you know, she was this Jewish girl who was just fucking around and having this time in her life when she was trying something new and made bad decisions, which I totally did too.

[534] Yeah.

[535] There's no reason I, I wouldn't have been in that situation as well.

[536] Right.

[537] So it's, it's just.

[538] And it's the thing of which, which happens to people of all walks of life all the time, which is you did a bad, we caught you doing a very much.

[539] minor bad thing.

[540] Your life's ruined.

[541] Or now you have to get involved in this other thing that you, like now you just have no choice.

[542] Now you're kind of our pawn.

[543] Right.

[544] And just so frightening.

[545] Yeah.

[546] Just that feeling of having no choice and no way to get out of a situation.

[547] Yeah.

[548] You always do.

[549] Even if it's fucking going to jail for nine months, you know, it happens.

[550] Take the hit like Henry Hill and just fucking do your time.

[551] And what am I saying?

[552] I would never.

[553] Karen's going out in a blaze before.

[554] I mean, no way.

[555] No way.

[556] I'm going back to jail.

[557] No way.

[558] Okay.

[559] So at this point, Rachel had been working as a CI for the police department for almost three weeks.

[560] That's it.

[561] And she, and yeah.

[562] So let's fucking veer off and talk about CI's for a minute.

[563] Rachel was just one.

[564] And this whole article, this amazing article by Sarah Stillman has a lot of information about this.

[565] I'm just kind of picking some parts, obviously.

[566] Um, so Rachel was just one of thousands of people every year that help police, uh, build cases in exchange for leniency of their own cases, as we know.

[567] Um, and it's estimated up to 80 % of all drug cases in America involve CIs.

[568] Yeah.

[569] That's crazy.

[570] 80 %.

[571] And this is partly because police departments have these crazy budget issues.

[572] They don't have the kind of money to get undercover officers and, and untrained CIs are the only way they can bust these.

[573] people.

[574] And it's a small, if it's like a small town, they know the cops.

[575] Everyone knows who the cops are.

[576] They're not going to send one of them in a fucking fake mustache and be like, I'll have some drugs, please.

[577] Yeah, you can't just Donnie Brascoe it up when you're in like small town America.

[578] Exactly.

[579] But it also means that they're sending out untrained, sometimes juvenile, juvenile, juvenile.

[580] I thought you were going to say sometimes Jewish.

[581] Sometimes even Jewish.

[582] Can you believe it?

[583] Occasionally as young as 14 or 15.

[584] No. Sometimes.

[585] addicted people to do in place them as undercover officers yeah so another factor that came into play with this whole fucking fiasco is that the is the war on drugs yeah remember our favorite fucking topic yeah in the mid 80s congress enacted federal sentencing guidelines that imposed harsh mandatory minimums for even fucking petty drug offenses which means that some sentences for marijuana sales were longer than those for murder yeah it's horrifying it's ridiculous And of course, that meant that the U .S. prison population over the course of that decade doubled and drug informants surged.

[586] But the problem with the CI system is that it's totally unreliable.

[587] It's usually young people from lower income communities, often black and Latino, who are under pressure to be informants because they face, you know, so much more if they get caught with these drugs.

[588] And if they get put to take them to jail and, you know, they have.

[589] no choice.

[590] Yes.

[591] Let's do this.

[592] In one fucking insane case, LeBron Gaither, he's a 16 -year -old student at a public high school in Lebanon, Kentucky.

[593] So, in a uncharacteristic of him, he gets in an argument with his school's assistant principal and punches him in the face.

[594] He's taken into custody for juvenile assault.

[595] And without a lawyer or parent present, an officer from the Kentucky State Police tells him he could go to prison but he unless he agreed to become a local drug informant.

[596] So this isn't even a fucking drug charge.

[597] After a sting, LeBron had to testify before a grand jury against the drug dealer he'd set up Jason Noel.

[598] Jason Noel then makes bail.

[599] And the very next day the police send LeBron back to him to do another sting on the guy he had just testified against thinking that he didn't know who was the snitch what um so they sent lebron wearing a wire to buy more drugs from this dude it turns out that of course jason noel the drug dealer knew that lebron was the one who was snitching on him because everyone finds out everything right well and also those drug dealers it's their business to know right right they have to be like three steps ahead yeah and it's like if it was another officer that was being sent out undercover his officer buddies would fucking make sure he was safe.

[600] But it's just some person that they don't care about and are not, you know, it's not their business to make sure that this person is neither trained nor really safe.

[601] Right.

[602] Okay.

[603] So, so detectives lose track of LeBron.

[604] And during the sting and Jason Noelle drives off with him, LeBron is tortured, beaten with a bat, shot, run over by a car, and dragged by a chain through the woods.

[605] and dies.

[606] And it wasn't until 2014.

[607] So this was in, I think it's 98.

[608] I didn't write it down.

[609] 2014, 18 years after his death.

[610] Yeah.

[611] What's the math?

[612] No idea.

[613] The Supreme Court ruled in favor of his, so they fucking ruled in favor of his family in wrongful death.

[614] It got over fucking turned.

[615] Which is so frustrating.

[616] Then finally, the Supreme Court overturned that overturning.

[617] and in his wrongful death suit and they're awarded $148 ,000, which is not enough.

[618] None of it is enough, obviously.

[619] But I bet you that's that thing of when they're, they've built a system around this kind of, like these kind of setups.

[620] Yeah.

[621] So when that system crumbles, they have to make sure people can't then retroactively sue them.

[622] Right.

[623] Because there could be so many people that could do that.

[624] Yeah.

[625] Have you said, I mean, people tweet these things on Twitter all the time where, the like in californian places where drugs be in pots legal or becoming legal or whatever there's these people who are like here's this woman who made three million dollars in her new pot uh business of making edibles aren't these cute and then it's like and here's this black teenager who was sent to jail for 50 years yeah because they dealt pot yeah and it's the like there's somebody who tweets it all the time but it's really mind blowing of like the that that white cultural filter of when white people make pot for each other.

[626] It's cool because we have cancer and we have pain and CBD oil and blah blah blah.

[627] And when black people deal pot, you're a criminal and you should be, you should go away to jail forever.

[628] And it's super fucked up.

[629] I mean, and then in a couple years, in a decade and like when pot is decriminalized everywhere, if we're going to look back and be horrified.

[630] Yes.

[631] At how we've been treating people who, A, are addicted and smoke pot.

[632] And I mean, more than anything, that's the problem is you need to treat the people who are addicted to drugs and need help rather than I wouldn't prioritize pot in that because that's so many people are able to live their lives doing pot there's people who are on oxycontin who drive like city buses and shit like with there's an oxycontin problem in this country that's that's ravaging yeah like certain states and I mean that's you know the war on drugs is almost like bit itself in the ass because now we're now we just have pharmaceutical companies that are like oh our drugs are fine yeah you can't do those drugs and we'll pay the doctors money if they prescribe them even though they're not necessary and they know they're addictive and we're lying to you about how fucking addictive they are it's very dark it's very dark it's fun i watch intervention i'm like to watch all those shows um okay there's also a case uh and this so lebron was african american shelly hillyard she's an african -american teen from Detroit, and she was caught with half an ounce of marijuana, which is not a lot, threatened with jail time, but it was especially scary for her because she is, uh, is trans.

[633] And so she would have been sent to a male prison.

[634] Oh, no. Which is super scary for her.

[635] Yes.

[636] So, uh, so she agrees to become a CI.

[637] They set her up to set up her drug dealer.

[638] He finds out and ultimately strangles, um, mutilates burns and dismemberes Shelley's body.

[639] my god because she set him up one witness in the murder case testifies that the police had revealed shelley's identity to her dealer what all for an ounce of weed i'm in i know okay back to rachel okay so the morning after her disappearance she's disappeared her the cops call her parents and they're like hey have you seen rachel do you know where she is yeah and they don't even yeah so they're like what the fuck they go to tallahassee they're only told that Rachel is missing, not that she was a CI or the circumstances of her disappearance.

[640] They don't tell her parents anything.

[641] They go back to Rachel's apartment to wait and, you know, for next steps or whatever.

[642] They turn on the news and that's when they discover that she had, quote, provided assistance during a police operation.

[643] But they find out on TV.

[644] On the TV and that then they find out that the officials suspect foul play is going on.

[645] So they don't even know that there was foul play.

[646] So then on May 9th, 2008, after a two -day search after Rachel disappears, the two suspects are caught near Orlando, and they lead police to a dry creek bed in rural Taylor County, which is southeast of Tallahassee, where Rachel's body is found.

[647] Wow.

[648] It turns out Rachel, and then it turns out that the two drug dealers had fucking pegged her as a mark from the beginning.

[649] and they had never intended to sell her any drugs.

[650] All the ecstasy was fucking aspirin.

[651] So they were going to trick her to begin with.

[652] So it was even a stupid fucking thing to begin with.

[653] And then it's totally, it's not totally clear because no one knows exactly what happened, but it's thought that they found the wire in her purse and freaked the fuck out.

[654] They shot her five times in the head and chest.

[655] So at a press conference at the fucking scene, while her body is still there, Officer Dave McCroney of the Tallahassee Police Department says, at some point, at some point during the investigation, she chose not to follow the instructions.

[656] She met Green and Bradshaw on her own.

[657] That meeting ultimately resulted in her murder.

[658] So they're immediately saying it was her own fault because she went to another location.

[659] Which is like, can you imagine if she went to one location?

[660] They were like, let's go to another one.

[661] And she was like, no, and refused to.

[662] Right.

[663] And she thinks there's a plane.

[664] There's 19 officers she's being followed she's never done this before she's never done this before yeah um and friends and family of rachel are fucking pissed that the police were trying to portray her also as a hardcore drug dealer like criminal even though she had never been convicted of any crimes um and in the media and that because she didn't follow directions her murder was her own fault that's what they were trying to make it seem uh rachel's parents are fucking pissed um so irv Hoffman and Margie Weiss, they decide to put all their energy into making policy changes to the way CIs are used.

[665] So they wanted answers to questions like, why was Rachel used in such a high -risk police sting when she had no training?

[666] Why was she sent to buy a semi -automatic pistol when she had never even fired a fucking weapon before?

[667] Why was she pressured into taking part in all of this before she consulted a lawyer?

[668] And they're also not read Miranda rights and not given their amendment fucking things because they're not under arrest, you know?

[669] Oh, right.

[670] So it's basically like, look, if you want this to go away.

[671] Yeah.

[672] Like, it's under the table type of deal.

[673] You're not under arrest, so maybe they don't think to ask for a lawyer.

[674] They want policy changes to the program, like not using people in drug treatment programs, which makes sense because part of being in a drug treatment program is you're not allowed to hang out and associate with people who are dealing and doing drugs.

[675] Right.

[676] In the first place, and that nonviolent low -level drug offenders, like Rachel, should not be used in stings targeting traffickers with histories of violence.

[677] Yeah.

[678] Additionally, CIs should be given the right to counsel.

[679] That was their thoughts.

[680] And then they found out that California was one of the few states that had any rules governing the use of teenage informants and prohibited recruits younger than 13.

[681] which like isn't a great like that's just cut it off a junior high like that and they're the best example of doing well wow which i was 13 when i was using drugs and they could have fucking had me rat on all those kids i was also when you're 13 like oh yeah that's not good like that idea that you're just gonna like yep we're gonna blackmail this this like we're gonna blackmail this teenager to get another teenager to get the whatever year old who sells a little more pot in this town who sells a little more pot in this town which is like you're not getting you're not getting you're not getting enough the street who's a danger you're fucking just yeah perpetuating this thing of you know then these kids get out of prison and they can't get a job because they have a record and so california 13 da da da da da da that rule had been put into place after 17 year old chad mcdonald was brutally murdered and his 15 year old girlfriend raped and shot in retaliation for chad's work as a low level drug CI in 1998.

[682] Oh, my God.

[683] Yeah.

[684] So they had made this kid Chad be a CI, but everyone knew he was dealing meth and doing meth at the time, and the police actually knew that too, but still used him.

[685] And everyone knew he was the snitch.

[686] And that still happened.

[687] Okay.

[688] So Rachel's parents began working on Rachel's law, and they got the father of one of Rachel's friends, was a Florida attorney named Lance Block.

[689] He to work pro bono to help them and on May 7th 2009 one year after on the one year anniversary of Rachel's murder Rachel's law signed by the governor of Florida but it's stripped of so many provisions it's so basic but it does establish new guidelines for law enforcement when dealing with confidential informants so it does start the conversation of changing the way it's done and it's the first comprehensive legislation of its kind in the nation and they're still working to get policy reforms on a national level, so they're still fucking working on it.

[690] And in 2012, in a wrongful death lawsuit, Rachel's parents won 2 .6 million settlement from the city of Tallahassee, along with a formal apology.

[691] Wow.

[692] Sounds way different than what LeBron got.

[693] Yeah.

[694] Well, I mean, of course.

[695] Of the police department's conduct, the grand jury, who are not like Judge Judy, and they don't fucking usually tell people what, you know what I mean?

[696] Yeah.

[697] They said, uh, letting a quote, letting a young immature woman get into a car by herself with $13 ,000 to go off and meet two convicted felons that they knew were bringing at least one firearm with them was unconscious, was an unconscionable decision that cost Ms. Hoffman her life.

[698] And an, uh, an internal affairs investigation said that police officers had committed at least 21 violations and nine separate policies with this case.

[699] Wow.

[700] So Green and Bradshaw are now serving life sentences for the murder of Rachel Hoffman and they, her, I think her parents put together an annual music and arts festival called the Purple Hatters Ball because remember she wore that purple hat.

[701] Yeah.

[702] And it's created to celebrate the memory of Rachel.

[703] It's fucking her favorite jam bands and it's like face painting.

[704] and all these lovely things and everyone wears purple and the next festival is in Live Oak, Florida this June 1st and 2nd of 2018 so murdering knows and she was a fucking criminal justice major so you know she wasn't a true crime probably so that was the murder of Rachel Hoffman amazing so sad and frustrating frustrating yeah okay so this I'm doing this story This week, because I mentioned it last time, it's the murder of Bonnie Lee Bakely.

[705] Yes.

[706] And the, you know, eventual trial of famous Hollywood actor Robert Blake.

[707] Fuck, yes, Karen.

[708] And it centers around one of the most popular and exciting Italian restaurants in the valley, Vitellos.

[709] It's gone, right?

[710] No, I think they redid it.

[711] It's still there.

[712] Oh, yeah.

[713] Okay.

[714] It's just totally different now because it used to be like divey.

[715] well it used to be let you know what it was it was like clearly it was like built in the 60s 70s probably early 70s I would say so the inside was like these big nagahide booths that were like red red plastic fake leather love it there's a huge like wall you know fresco or whatever you want to call it of uh like I don't know I can't remember if it was like Venice and grapes or grapes are draped on everything and they're dusty because no one ever cleans them.

[716] Yeah, like literal like plastic grapes.

[717] Like look at the bounty of Milan or I mean, wherever.

[718] Yeah.

[719] And they have like a house, a glass of house kianti for $3 or whatever.

[720] Yes.

[721] And they have those like melty red candles.

[722] Yes.

[723] It's just the whole, it's exactly like the classic Italian restaurant.

[724] And the food like the, the garlic bread is just a big loaf of sourdough cut in half with garlic on it.

[725] I love old school places like this so fucking much I want to cry.

[726] Yeah, it's, you know exactly what you're going to get.

[727] And Vitello's is good food.

[728] Is it?

[729] Because I don't even care.

[730] If it's like a, if it's the fucking ambiance is on point, I'm good.

[731] Well, do you like opera singers?

[732] Because they have that.

[733] Shut up.

[734] Yes, they'll have all of a sudden an opera singer will bust out singing.

[735] Can I tell you something really quickly?

[736] Do you know the one that's just like this on Vermont called, Stephen?

[737] You know.

[738] Hold on.

[739] It's on Vermont.

[740] The Dresden?

[741] No, it's on Vermont across from the House of Pies.

[742] We go there.

[743] Vince and I used to go there.

[744] Oh, yes.

[745] It's, um, we used to order pizza from there when I lived on Alexandria.

[746] Hold on.

[747] It's like dominoes.

[748] It's like, it's not dominoes.

[749] It's, I mean, no, not dominoes, but like, um, it's called.

[750] This is sort of the pea.

[751] Pachelli.

[752] Pits.

[753] I, yeah, I know.

[754] Oh, sorry, we can cut this out.

[755] Oh, why am I doing this?

[756] Like, Padrinos.

[757] Palermo.

[758] That's right.

[759] All right, you did it.

[760] Palermo.

[761] Leave it in.

[762] Leave it in.

[763] Palermo, just like that.

[764] Also, when you go in and you're waiting for your table, you can get a glass of like dollar boxed wine, too.

[765] It's like the best.

[766] So once I went through it the first time, we were like, this place is amazing.

[767] And it was a Friday night.

[768] So they had there a guy with a, um, he, huh, what are they called?

[769] Huh.

[770] An accordion?

[771] An accordion walking around singing at tables.

[772] And I go, oh my God.

[773] That guy fucking was the entertainment at my brother's Bar Mitzvah.

[774] No. I was like, is your name fucking Israel, whatever it was.

[775] And he was like freaking out too.

[776] And it was him.

[777] And I took a photo and he's like, I remember your brother.

[778] No, you don't.

[779] That's amazing.

[780] No, you know what it is?

[781] It's the not chain hometown restaurant in Petaluma.

[782] It's, it's Volpe's where we go with my family.

[783] And half of it is the original grocery store from the 20s.

[784] Oh my God.

[785] That they took.

[786] the like counter out and put in tables so that you're sitting in the old grocery store.

[787] I'm dying.

[788] It's really awesome.

[789] And that's up the street from that hotel, Pelham Hotel, I want you to stay out.

[790] I'm going to come with you to Petalum one day.

[791] You would I think you'd have.

[792] Oh, when we do our Sacramento show, we should stay a night.

[793] We can stay at Laura's.

[794] Okay.

[795] Totally.

[796] Um, but anyway, that's, that's, so that's Vitello's.

[797] It's, it's neighborhoody.

[798] It's very Italian.

[799] Like, it's, it's, if you like, kiss your fingers, you know, style Italian bullshit.

[800] that's it's there for you that they're saying yes that's actually painted on the sign if you like kiss your finger style italian bullshit this is your jam maru um so this was the play okay so let's just get into this fucking thing because it's so insane so we'll just talk first about Robert blake right he famous actor and up until this point he was kind of one of those he was like a Hollywood stalwart I would say he started he was one of the kids on our gang oh really yeah he was for in the little rascals original they called them the film series so they didn't know that yeah and it was basically he grew up he was born in nutley new jersey to a vaudeville family his father was an actor and an alcoholic abusive an asshole um the mom unfeeling and the three siblings they had a little uh like a vaudeville show with the little kids called the three little hillbillies put them to work right so they he's and he described his childhood as feeling like he was like a like a monkey with a monkey grinder like he was just out there begging for change around town in nutley new jersey which is horrifying yeah sorry i got all of the things i'm telling you right now from a show that i couldn't love the title of more rich and acquitted So, spoiler alert.

[801] Well, now we know.

[802] But I mean, yeah, but we knew because this was a famous case anyway.

[803] Wow, why didn't that show in any of the means?

[804] I mean, it's so funny because it's when I look, when I look this up on YouTube, there's like a whole, there's a whole realm of rich and acquitted.

[805] And they're real, because I, when I first started listening to it, I was like, God, they're being real judgy about like money and they keep talking about his money.

[806] And then it's basically talking about how when you have money, the entire justice system works.

[807] totally differently for you and the whole approach and strategy to the justicism so system i'm not drunk so so the three little hillbillies have uh you know minor success in nutley new jersey in the surrounding area so then but it's it's the um mid 30s so because it's after the depression the movie business is exploding everyone's like i've got i do have 25 extra sense.

[808] I want to spend it on entertainment.

[809] I want things to be fun.

[810] I want to go and watch the Zig Phil Follies or whatever.

[811] Something big in a movie theater and have a good time.

[812] So his father moves the whole family out to Hollywood because he thinks he's going to be the movie star.

[813] Bad news.

[814] They're so poor.

[815] They sleep in the car.

[816] You know, it's really hard.

[817] But the father gets a job in a hardware store and Mickey was his name at the time.

[818] Mickey Gubotosi was his original name.

[819] Is Robert Blake's name?

[820] Is Robert Blake's real name?

[821] Funny.

[822] He was born as Mickey Guibutosi.

[823] Mickey Guibutosi, he's five years old when he gets the job on the Our Gang series.

[824] Wow.

[825] And he starts as an extra, and they showed clips on the show.

[826] And he is the cutest.

[827] You see him, he's got this little twinkle in his eye, but he's also like, he's like a little tough guy.

[828] And it's so cute.

[829] And then with all, I mean, our gang, if you go back, if you ever have a free day and You just want to have some dumb fun.

[830] The Our Gang series was the cutest, sweetest thing, and all those little kids were really talented.

[831] Now, there is extreme fucking racism because it was the 30s.

[832] Yeah.

[833] But the cool thing was, or I won't say cool, but the thing that made it slightly different was that Buckwheat was one of their friends and hung around.

[834] Right, right.

[835] But, you know, there's also, as anything from before 1995.

[836] it's you know a different time anyhow so he basically he's the one that makes it big and he from from our gang um when that's over he kind of like it basically emancipates himself runs away from home he joins the army um he ends up marrying a woman named sondra ker he has two kids with her starts his family it looks like he's about to fade into obscurity as like a character actor that like was a child actor you know yeah because people people it was really cool they had interviews with like other little kids that had been on that series that grew up to also be actors so you could recognize them as they were talking and they were talking about how Robert Blake as a child to actor was really good he was a really good actor he was a really serious child like he was there to like kill it yeah which is very taking it seriously exactly not just because his parents wanted him to right not just because he would get the shit beaten out of him when he went home but but it's just that thing where you know like when those when little kids have it that kind of like why am i looking at that kid there's six kids and that's the one that's caught my eye yeah yeah he was that so um right as he begins to fade into into obscurity he gets that part in in cold blood whoa and if you haven't seen the movie that robert blake stars as you know one of the two killers in it in cold blood and he's so good and it's really i only saw a clip of it i've never seen the entire movie starts finish yeah But it's really amazing.

[837] I think I watched it but didn't realize it was him and you don't watch it again.

[838] Yeah, because it's old.

[839] It's like a thing you can see on AMC.

[840] Yeah, yeah.

[841] But it's really good.

[842] Also, and then it started making me think of how much I loved the version with Toby, that British actor.

[843] Someone make that, please.

[844] That short British actor that's in, he was in, he's been in tons of stuff.

[845] He's so good.

[846] and he plays Truman Capote Oh You remember that one And they go out To start interviewing the families It shows how Truman Capote wrote that book It's such a good movie That was a what's his face Philip Seymour Hoffman did one A version And then there was another So there was one with Philip Seymour Hoffman And there was another one With Sandra Bullock And Toby McGuire No British Toby British Toby Stephen's gonna find it Stephen.

[847] Once he's done grooming his mustache.

[848] David.

[849] Oh, Toby Jones.

[850] Toby Jones.

[851] No. Don't know who that is.

[852] No. No. Yeah, yeah.

[853] But he's such a good actor.

[854] He's in everything.

[855] Okay.

[856] And that, oh, infamous is the name of the biopic.

[857] Okay.

[858] From 2006.

[859] But then there's also the, the, the, the, the Phillips Moffin one, which is give it a looksy.

[860] It's good.

[861] I liked it.

[862] I just love that story that.

[863] You know, somebody like, Trimmy Capote was just such an insane one of a kind beyond belief.

[864] That was a sidebar to beat all sidebars because basically he's in cold blood.

[865] He comes back and that that kind of brings his relevance back.

[866] And then he gets the lead on the cop show Beretta.

[867] Yeah.

[868] Do you remember that show?

[869] I was too young.

[870] You were definitely too young because I was like, it was just in my consciousness.

[871] that was like such a mid -70 show yeah but barretta was the cop that had the parrot and so if you remember he was he was like the Italian looking cop with a white parrot on a shoulder and and he kind of had that Columboe thing where he was like yeah man you know yeah and every man I guess is what that impression just was but if you but you can look up old episodes of bretta and if only for the opening theme song Has it was the full version is recorded by Sammy Davis Jr. Holy shit.

[872] And it's called Keep Your Eye on the Sparrow and it's like Keep your eye on the sparrow You have to look you have to look it up It's happening.

[873] It's so like It's so like disco 70s like Hardcore fucking Like weird solo bongos at the beginning They're like here we go The streets Keep your yes yes you have it holy shit maybe i do know it it has this show had everything and he ended up winning an emmy for that for that role i think that show went on for four years whatever so he basically then becomes a hit and he he does he invests his money wisely and he builds his wealth um and he also became a fixture on the tonight show and so once beretta was over he was still like a big presence in Hollywood and um the in the winter of two the year 2000 uh he he goes to a jazz club one night and he meets a woman named Bonnie Lee Bakely and they hit it off immediately so they and she didn't know he was a celebrity um she actually had to call her sister and say have you ever heard of this name because he's saying he's famous but that was in acquitted rich and acquitted um but they really did hit it off then at the end of the night no judgments they go out to his van and do it no like the alley behind the jazz club what that's the first night they met is is they did that so then they're that that is where their fate is sealed that's where in the alley in the alley behind a jazz club in the picture that they showed and rich and acquitted it was this purple van on these big old like jacked up wheels oh my god it looks it's like half scooby -due half like monster truck rally you're like where did you get this fucking car if you invested your money so goddamn wisely all right in 2000 too this car is from 2000 not from the fucking good point this is not the 70s we're talking about it's not beretta anymore but he was truly keeping his eye on the sparrow And keeping it real.

[874] Keeping it real in the alley.

[875] That's right.

[876] So now let's switch over to this woman, this romance that he's having with Bonnie Lee Bakley.

[877] So she was born in 1956 in Morristown, New Jersey.

[878] She was also poor growing up.

[879] They're both from New Jersey.

[880] Both from New Jersey, about 20 years apart or so.

[881] This is, she has a fascinating history.

[882] And this woman, if you want to talk about somebody that got fucking maligned.

[883] after her own death.

[884] Bonnie Lee Bakely, we all heard every single thing this woman ever did she was not there to defend herself or even just be a presence.

[885] Now, she did a bunch of fucked up shit, and that ended up getting proven in court before she met Robert Blake, but as the cops said in Rich and acquitted, it doesn't mean she deserved to get murdered.

[886] Totally.

[887] And it doesn't mean you know it doesn't mean she's any less of a victim right um i i just remember when this case started how often they talked like on the radio and you know like Howard stern style talk shit on this woman yeah and apparently it was the lawyer's plan from the beginning no yes they were ready once the like indictment came or we you know the charges were filed the lawyer had it already of like well, here's the victim.

[888] Wow.

[889] And here's her past.

[890] It's pretty intense.

[891] So now, going back to where she came from, she was married for the first time and divorced when she was 15.

[892] Oh, honey.

[893] Then she dropped out of high school after she had a marriage and a divorce.

[894] Sweetie.

[895] What I estimate to be sophomore year.

[896] Yeah.

[897] Then she was like, you know what?

[898] I'm past high school now.

[899] She's like, when am I going to go back to high school?

[900] What am we going to go to the spring formal?

[901] I don't think so.

[902] I'm a divorcee.

[903] I'm above you all.

[904] Oh, my God.

[905] So she moves to New York City.

[906] She wants to be a model.

[907] She's really beautiful.

[908] She's great features.

[909] She's kind of a like bottle blonde, but in that, you know, she's like got this big open face.

[910] She wants to be a model.

[911] She wants to be an actress.

[912] And she goes right for those nudes.

[913] She's like, she just is like, she's like, I'm ready to do it.

[914] I want to do it.

[915] And let's do this.

[916] thing um she nothing pans out uh which sometimes happens when you take nance people are just like yep put him in the pile with the other nance sure uh she ends up marrying her second husband was her first cousin no she has yeah she did it and she had three kids with him no don't do that either yeah yeah oh no they did that like what around year is this this is the sorry 70s this is like the early 70s oh and they're having cousin kids Cousin kids and kind of like a, I want to be famous, but maybe I'll just do this instead.

[917] That's all fine, but don't marry your cousin.

[918] Right.

[919] Do whatever the fuck you want.

[920] Don't marry your cousin.

[921] Unless you love hemophiliacs.

[922] Then we're talking about a different thing.

[923] Here's what's kind of cool.

[924] So she has all these pictures that she took trying to get, break into show business essentially.

[925] She's a visionary.

[926] She starts a mail order, nude photo, male.

[927] mailing like service yes she puts personal ads in the back of like smut magazines that's like hey here's me do you want me to send you my nude photos right to me here and send me this amount of money so smart she starts fucking making bank on this business yes good for her so she's like the original dick pick you know like nudie gal she did it first yeah and she's sent she wrote send nudes please yes and they were like yes and then she did it they're like I love nude I was just reading this whole magazine of nudes.

[928] I'd love more news from your home.

[929] And she's like, I've got this.

[930] So she eventually makes so much money off of this business.

[931] She can buy several homes in the Memphis area.

[932] Oh, my God.

[933] Yeah.

[934] So she's, she's supporting that family.

[935] She's like getting it done.

[936] We're in the wrong business.

[937] I mean, you have to be willing to in some of the pictures because there's.

[938] Exercise.

[939] So.

[940] pass get on old fours with a cowboy hat on and nothing else oh no I don't want to do that there was a lot of that kind of stuff yeah yeah like campy shit it seemed very it was like 70s porn had an innocence about it where it's kind of like look at me with no shirt on that's how that a lot of those pictures yeah I've seen Debbie does Dallas have you yeah is it good no it's fun good storyline though the best powerful ending spoiler alert Debbie does Dallas well no what the whole nighttime soap opera okay so now this is fascinating and it kind of shows you the mindset but also like you know she's from Tennessee she's living in Tennessee at this point right in the Memphis area Memphis Tennessee just double checking with myself and she's she still has that thing of like celebrity she's always been obsessed with celebrity ever since she was little kid she wanted it she wanted to be around it she wanted to be near it so she gets this idea in her head i'm going to hook up with jerry lee lewis what yes cousins he loves cousins she loves cousins that's right that's they live in the area where the cousin shit is entirely supported by the community everyone's kissing their cousins people are used to it go for go to third base with your cousin we love it the town says in 1989 so she's 33 years old she's been married four times holy shit she's been arrested for drugs okay which it's the 70s it's going to happen or well now it's the late 80s okay um but the 70s have existed so I'm giving our pass I guess and that's when he's were even worse the 80s were a bit nuts but so it's nice 1989 is when she gets this Jerry Lee Lewis plan okay and she actually ends up hanging out and like sidling up and she's a gorgeous woman so like she eventually meets him she gets to hang out with him a little bit I guess she ends up hooking up with him she gets pregnant and tells him it's her baby and he's like it's his baby she's like look this is my baby I hope it's her baby and there's no way you can prove me wrong and Jerry Lulis is like sounds great shit I'm sorry I'm sorry I keep hitting the mic no that's okay okay so basically Jerry Lulus is like why don't you go ahead and take a paternity of your test for that baby Did they have those in 89?

[941] Yeah they were very popular back then and of course he was not the father oh man so that she basically takes her fourth husband it is like we're moving to california like she just gets out and i should actually have you look this up because this is the best bonnie lee bakely she takes all that money from her home nudes business and buys herself a billboard on sunset uh sunset strip like angeline style angeline style except for it's just on the right side it's her headshot her 80s headshot Or she's just like, uh, and then it just says, Lee Bonney, that was her stage name.

[942] Uh -huh.

[943] Lee Bonnie with a phone number underneath.

[944] Can I see this?

[945] I need to see this immediately.

[946] It's really, it's so 80s to me. It's just very like, look, here's an actress on a billboard.

[947] So, Angeline, if you're not from L .A., but you've seen her, like, if they're going to do the beginning of a Hollywood movie, they will cut to an Angeline billboard.

[948] And that's that lady with the insane breast implants.

[949] She's got the 80s.

[950] She looks like the rocker chick who would hang out.

[951] at like the whiskey yes in the 80s who would like hook up with metal dudes metal dudes she's she's got a big kind of baby face tons of blonde hair I that was a staple of my childhood when we come to L .A. to my grandma's house Angeline had a billboard there and I was just like I want to be like her when I grow up right and I am that look at you look at you and you saw yourself in that British tabloid um you've made it so well also she She was being bankrolled by some businessman.

[952] So it was just kind of like, do you like this person?

[953] Put them in your movie or TV show.

[954] And that's kind of the way some people were trying to get famous.

[955] Yeah.

[956] Because nobody, because they hadn't figured out they can do stand -up comedy yet.

[957] I'm going to see if I can find this for you.

[958] Okay.

[959] God, damn, I just bit my cheek so hard.

[960] Oh, my God.

[961] Are you okay?

[962] Yeah.

[963] There it is.

[964] That was on sunset.

[965] Oh, wow.

[966] Yeah, it looks, it looks like a, um, a real estate photo.

[967] It's very reasonable.

[968] Yeah.

[969] And it's...

[970] She is very, very beautiful.

[971] Yeah, right?

[972] And it's just kind of, she's just basically like, if you drive by this and you want to put me in your thing, sure.

[973] Totally feel free.

[974] Plus, I have home nudes.

[975] She bones.

[976] Yes.

[977] you know, she looks like somewhere between Meryl Streep and Bonnie Raid.

[978] Yeah.

[979] She has that look.

[980] Yeah.

[981] Um, so, like severe, like severe angles, but pretty.

[982] Yeah.

[983] Okay.

[984] And a nice tall forehead.

[985] Maybe a little sigourney weaver going on.

[986] There's a little weaver in there.

[987] She starts writing.

[988] So this was around the time where Christian Brando ended up going to jail for involuntary manslaughter.

[989] Right.

[990] Marlon Brando's son.

[991] Yeah.

[992] Right.

[993] He's going off the fucking rails.

[994] Yeah.

[995] That's a whole other.

[996] I didn't even want to get into it because I'm like, ooh, we should save that one.

[997] Because that's a whole insane.

[998] story.

[999] These Hollywood murders.

[1000] But, um, so he's in jail.

[1001] So she's one of those people.

[1002] She starts writing him letters in jail.

[1003] Sure.

[1004] Sending him home, home spun nudes.

[1005] Absolutely.

[1006] He's like, this is great.

[1007] Thank you so much.

[1008] And when he gets out of jail, they start having a relationship.

[1009] Oh, shit.

[1010] Yeah.

[1011] Um, so that's basically kind of this, this on and off thing.

[1012] They, a lot of people in this special say, like, they're seeing each other or whatever.

[1013] Like, uh -huh.

[1014] We get it.

[1015] we know what that means in a van in the alley behind the jazz club oh uh but then when she's seeing christian brando in real life that's when she meets robert blake that's where that story overlaps okay so bonnie kept flying back to arkansas to pick up her mail because apparently when she lived in uh she was she ended up getting arrested there because she had so many fake IDs and so many fake social security cards for all the different people that she pretended to be when she had that home nudes business she never gave anybody her real name yeah so she she had a ton of fake ID like fraudulent ID basically okay she had gone home to pick up her mail um because she was uh had been arrested basically she got pulled over a cop said let me see your ID she pulls out one 15 other ones fall out the cops like what the fuck she gets arrested for fraud or whatever um so now she's on probation in in arkansas so she has to have an address there yeah so she keeps she like stays in l .A for a little while goes checks her billboard to see if there's any takers and then she goes back she has to go back to arkansas she's been doing that on and off okay but once she hooks up with robert blake so it's april of 1989 now she finds out she's pregnant yeah so she tells both christian brando and robert blake that they're the father and she's kind of doing this thing of like I'm not sure which one I want to marry and I'm still trying to pick because Robert Blake had a ton of money and he was really stable and he was actually interested in her and like into her Christian Brando was young and good looking and you know kind of like the you know she was just trying to decide like who she was going to start a life with so she picks Robert Blake but then when she tells him so I'm pregnant and blah blah he's just like you lied to to me and he he turns on her Robert Blake says yeah he's super mean they have so it also turns out um later on when this when this uh trial starts she recorded almost every single phone call she ever had shut up so they like when when this case started um i vaguely remember this yeah they had they have phone calls of theirs they have phone calls of other people she had like she just recorded all phone calls weird so they could go through all of them and that's when they start to find out her very checkered past okay like the actual proof of it um but basically she she thinks she's going to do this kind of like well i'm pregnant and so let's hook up and i finally made my decision of my two boyfriends in my Hollywood life and Robert Blake is like no fucking way and is so mean and like demanding she get an abortion telling her he's going to make her get an abortion like all this stuff that she actually ends up writing a letter to her lawyer saying if anything happens to me Robert Blake is responsible for my death.

[1016] Oh my God.

[1017] So she ends up going back to Arkansas or Memphis.

[1018] I think it was Memphis.

[1019] And she has the baby.

[1020] It's this beautiful little girl.

[1021] I mean, we've all seen, when the case came up, you saw a million pictures of her.

[1022] Her name's Rose.

[1023] And she is so cute.

[1024] She looks like she's wearing like a little black hat of hair and she's got like bright red lips.

[1025] And the second that Robert Blake saw the picture of her, he called Bonnie Blakely and said, get a paternity test because that's my baby.

[1026] And they did and it proved that it was his baby.

[1027] So he knew.

[1028] He knew.

[1029] It looks exactly like him.

[1030] And especially when you see those like our game clips or whatever.

[1031] She looks just like him.

[1032] And she's really cute.

[1033] So he basically says to Bonnie, move back to L .A., make a life with me. like I want to like I love that baby that's my baby let's make this work and so she gets on a plane even though she knows she's breaking her parole or violating her parole she gets back on a plane to L .A. to make this happen once she's in L .A. Robert Blake is like give the baby to the nanny for the day out let's go out to lunch and when they're out to lunch two cops walk up and go you're in violation of your parole in Arkansas you're under arrest.

[1034] Stop it.

[1035] And take her away.

[1036] Robert.

[1037] Blake's like, don't worry about it.

[1038] I'll take care of the baby.

[1039] We've got it covered.

[1040] Those two cops bring her, they don't arrest her.

[1041] They bring her to the airport and put her on a plane.

[1042] No. Back to Arkansas.

[1043] He tricked her?

[1044] Yeah, they tricked her.

[1045] So it turned out those two guys weren't cops.

[1046] No. They were two friends of Robert Blake's.

[1047] No. And they based, and this, the entire time it was his plan to get custody of that little girl.

[1048] Oh, my God.

[1049] So basically he's got the baby.

[1050] Oh.

[1051] His grown daughter is, like, keeping the baby at her house.

[1052] And he just basically sent her back and was like, trying to get rid of her.

[1053] So she realizes the whole thing was a scam.

[1054] She's furious.

[1055] She threatens to file kidnapping charges against him.

[1056] So they start to work on a deal because she's like, I will, I will, like, throw the book at you.

[1057] Yeah.

[1058] And the deal is she agrees to drop the charges if he'll marry her.

[1059] Shut up Uh -huh So they That's the most romantic thing I've ever heard in my life This is Remember the story you told about The guy writing the girl's name On the thing This is better Sending it to a planet Can you imagine if a man So how'd you guys meet What if you're like So how'd you invent me?

[1060] Well I tricked him I threatened him With kidnapping charges He retaliated of course And then And then I made him Sign a piece of paper That said But in the end You were immense be he didn't love me and I'm never alone with him because I'm scared of him what the fuck so crazy so in this pre -up there basically it was like she was allowed to see the baby once a month and to see Robert Blake once a month that's the agreement it was the exchange he will marry you if you sign this pre -up but she doesn't even get to be with her baby she didn't care about her baby well she does but she there's nothing she can do because she was she's not going to have it okay and they've already kind of got that.

[1061] So it's kind of the only way she can see the baby, still be in a life, and still get the things she ultimately has always wanted, which is to be married to a celebrity.

[1062] Oh, man, that feels, I'm going to move out of L .A. right now.

[1063] This town is bad feelings wall to wall.

[1064] Galore.

[1065] Good night.

[1066] I mean, anyone who comes here has bad intentions.

[1067] Or is going to have a bad time.

[1068] Right.

[1069] Or better get bad intentions or you're going to get screwed.

[1070] Screw before you get screwed.

[1071] That's for sure.

[1072] Yeah.

[1073] Um, yeah, just real good feeling place.

[1074] It's, it's the reason that people come here, try to do something.

[1075] And then they're like, oh, no, you know what?

[1076] I'm now an evangelical question.

[1077] Yeah.

[1078] Because I've, I've seen, or a Scientologist, or I'm going to be so vegan that I try to kill you.

[1079] Like, it's people just have to, they have to reassess their entire life.

[1080] They like, need a thing to focus on.

[1081] Otherwise, they'll focus on.

[1082] the horrible how they're nothing or they'll buy themselves a billboard like it's the kind of town where you feel like you're so nothing for so long that you're like I'm just going to buy a billboard it's the only way I can break through it's just it's a nightmare so anyway I like it here though I mean no I love it I'm pretty happy okay it's really gorgeous we're having a great time and guys we get to do a show at the ORFM in two days oh my god that's amazing she signs this pre -up that basically gives her almost nothing um they marry in november of 2000 wish i could have been at that fucking ceremony i i bet there was rose petals and love galore everywhere just like scattered you just use the word galore and i think i might never stop using the word galore it's so fun to say it's of that time it feels of this era yes and i mean like you know it's 2000 but like this fucking thing yeah six months later when her probation ends in Arkansas, she officially moves to L .A. She moves into the guest house on his property.

[1083] Not into his house.

[1084] Her husband's house.

[1085] She moves into the guest house and they never share the same house.

[1086] They only ever set it up like that.

[1087] So it's not a real...

[1088] Yeah, I don't get it.

[1089] It's very strange.

[1090] So then this all leads up.

[1091] Now we are up to May 4th of 2001.

[1092] When Robert Blake asks Bonnie if she would like to go out to dinner.

[1093] Do they ever go, like, on dates or anything like that?

[1094] Do we know?

[1095] It doesn't sound like it.

[1096] Uh, no. It sounds like a real bummer, man. It sounds like the most toxic relationship and the most codependent, bad intentions from every direction.

[1097] Also, it's that thing of, like, if you are, if you get together with a guy and then the only way you can see staying in his life is tricking him into thinking he's fathered your child.

[1098] I'd go back to square what go back to that jazz bar and pick somebody else or start you know what go back even further start it go to therapy yeah start there ask some questions so then when you get to the jazz bar you pick a you know good kind person yeah you maybe drop some of that whatever happened to you in junior high yeah drop drop some of that my first marriage was when I was 15 see see if you can start a new yeah none of this is going to is helping anybody Or constructive in any way So they go to dinner He says I want to take you to Vitellos She's like hell yes Yeah I love fucking dusty grape fake grapes I love red sauce I love melted mozzarella on You know Pottery Box Kianti favorite What's that wine The one that's so funny Shabbly Oh Vin Rosee That's what my grandma used to order Oh my gosh I'll have a Vin -Rose.

[1099] She had a weird New York accent because she was from San Francisco.

[1100] Okay, so they go to dinner.

[1101] I just had a recovered memory.

[1102] There used to be a stand -up show at Vitello's upstairs.

[1103] Yeah, this was like late 90s.

[1104] Those are the kind of things.

[1105] I would be like, sure, I'll do that show.

[1106] And I would show up and I'd be like, I'm not doing this.

[1107] This is humiliating.

[1108] I'm not going to drink in the corner.

[1109] You can have the opera guy take my set.

[1110] Oh, no. Okay.

[1111] So Robert Blake tells Bonnie that he's brought his nine millimeter pistol with him to dinner because of all the unscrupulous business that she's involved in and for her safety.

[1112] I'm sure she's like, sounds great.

[1113] I'll have the breadsticks.

[1114] She ordered the breadsticks.

[1115] Just breadsticks.

[1116] Sounds fucking great.

[1117] You know, when you're trying to be ladylike on a date.

[1118] Yeah, you're on the diet.

[1119] I'll just get seven breadsticks.

[1120] Can I just have the breadsticks?

[1121] And a pitcher of iced tea.

[1122] God, I love Vitellos.

[1123] So they leave the restaurant at 924.

[1124] And between 924 and 940, Bonnie Lee Bakely is shot in Robert Blake's car in the parking lot of Vitellos.

[1125] He, she is, so they get into the car and then he goes, sorry, I left my gun in the restaurant, I'll be right back, and goes back into the restaurant to get his gun that he says he left in the booth.

[1126] Great.

[1127] There are no witnesses from the restaurant that say he went back into the restaurant.

[1128] No one saw him go in and get his gun.

[1129] But while he claims, and his alibi is that when he, while she was getting shot outside, he was inside getting his gun.

[1130] But nobody saw him.

[1131] No one saw him.

[1132] But it's the perfect alibi because it's like, well, I was inside with my gun.

[1133] Just say you went inside to pee.

[1134] Like, why did he have to.

[1135] introduce the gun part.

[1136] I guess to cover the fact that that's where his gun was, like make it real clear that.

[1137] Oh, he didn't even have his gun on him.

[1138] Yeah, the gun wasn't anywhere but in the restaurant.

[1139] But then why didn't he actually do that and wave at everyone with the gun?

[1140] Hi, guys.

[1141] So they all said they saw him waving with the gun.

[1142] You know what I mean?

[1143] Yeah, I don't know.

[1144] Listen, I'm a master fucking criminal criminal.

[1145] I mean, would that have helped?

[1146] Be like, hey, guys, you know, thanks again.

[1147] Bye.

[1148] Oh, shit.

[1149] My wife just got shot.

[1150] This one's for the.

[1151] or singer, two into the ceiling.

[1152] I'm sorry, I'm making light of this.

[1153] No, no, no. I mean, what we're making light of is the plan.

[1154] The whole, what we're making light up is life and how fucking stupid it is.

[1155] And also how Hollywood makes you think you can do things you shouldn't and can't do.

[1156] But if fucking money and acquittal, the TV show, Rich and acquitted has shown us anything.

[1157] It's true.

[1158] It is true.

[1159] It's true.

[1160] It's why people want it so badly is because it gets you to a place.

[1161] I was right, rich and acquitted.

[1162] It gets you to a place where you are untouchable.

[1163] And that's what everybody wants.

[1164] That's real power.

[1165] Sure.

[1166] So I want to be touchable.

[1167] Oh, do you?

[1168] I don't want to be untouchable.

[1169] I think you're silky soft and totally touchable.

[1170] Thank you.

[1171] Baby soft.

[1172] Thank you.

[1173] So at 940, Robert Blake rings the doorbell of a neighbor of Vitello's.

[1174] Why?

[1175] Because he went there to call 911 to the neighbors.

[1176] Right, right.

[1177] screaming going fucking berserk and the neighbor is it's a guy named Sean Stanick it's his house he goes there to his house to call 911 when he leaves and the cops go to like go to the crime scene he he calls a little while then he calls police again and he asks them to come and look through his house because he he thinks Robert Blake might have hid something there while he was there he says his behavior was so strange and over over the top and bizarre and he was screaming and being super crazy about my wife, my wife, whatever, that he was like, I don't, I just want you guys to come and look.

[1178] I feel like he did something and I didn't catch it, which I think is amazing and such a cool move where it's like, could I just invite you guys back real quick?

[1179] He didn't even try to look for it himself.

[1180] He was just like, something's fucking off and I am not putting my fingerprints on it.

[1181] No. Get the authorities in here absolutely.

[1182] Asap.

[1183] Well done, Sean Stanik.

[1184] So, and other neighbors.

[1185] the neighborhood were like yeah he was just running around screaming and like and like just so clearly presented like i'm freaking out um but a little vaudeville and over the top sure play it to the back what do you guys right yeah exactly play to the back row yeah so uh so police are like well this is strange because again no witnesses actually saw him go into vitello's the second time and And he also, Bonnie had a cell phone and was always on her cell phone.

[1186] She was like, as we know, for her recorded messages of session, she was a big phone person, always had her phone on her phone on call 911, right there at the car, and he didn't do it.

[1187] Okay.

[1188] He also, he was taken in for questioning after, like, they all left the scene.

[1189] So Bonnie was shot twice in the car, she was in the car.

[1190] She was sitting in the car.

[1191] in the passenger seat shot through the window blood all in the car she was taken the ambulance came and she was taking the hospital but she died at the hospital um Robert Blake was taken in for questioning by the detectives never asked how she was no so they were like yeah the couple of these things aren't adding up in a big way they do the gun residue on his hands test inconclusive they end up which is super brilliant idea and like you know for 2000s pretty advanced there's a dumpster that the car is parked right next to and instead of going through the dumpster there they just take the entire dumpster back to like the forensics lab or whatever and go through every piece of garbage piece by piece so smart to find yeah to find anything and they end up finding this uh it's a nine millimeter it's a very rare world war two german officer's gun that's a p 38 nine millimeter pistol no idea but when they find it it's covered in motor oil so they can't get any fingerprints off of it or even or do any ballistics on it it's just completely ruined um they think intentionally yeah i wonder if that was a fucking plot line in an episode of barretta they should have fucking looked that up man that's a fucking genius idea can you can is double jeopardy still a thing bring him back bring him on back that is such a good idea i i wonder if anybody looked up all the episodes of barretta and just been like this person did this this person this was the plan sure okay the next day um he he got he lawyers up immediately of course and the next day is when the lawyer starts releasing the the phone call tapes of bonnie starts talking trashing her like he had a whole basically kind of like a media thing ready but it's nothing to do with it well it's what it is like they were trying to build the case that she had enemies all across the nation that she had she had conned men all over the place and there were lots of people that were her enemy not just Robert Blake so as bad and contentious and horrible and loveless and nightmarish as this marriage was that she had just entered into she still he wasn't perhaps wasn't the only suspect that should have been looked at right right right okay um she and they find out that they start like when they start listening to these phone calls they start finding these old men all around the country that they they thought she was his that they thought she was their wife no they they thought they were married they but she was married to lots of people she got married a lot and she would take out life insurance policies on them, and she also had them change their will to include her in.

[1192] Stop it.

[1193] Yeah, that happened.

[1194] That was a couple of them.

[1195] Now, this also, this was in, Rich and I quitted, but this also was all the information that the lawyer is just like, anybody to listen to it, they'll tell that story.

[1196] One person theorized that she had been married over 25 times.

[1197] Holy shit.

[1198] But the provable amount, she was married nine times for sure.

[1199] Oh, my God.

[1200] Yeah.

[1201] Um, okay.

[1202] So, uh, so at some point like in the, in this process, Robert Blake fires that of initial lawyer and he hires Thomas Mezzaro.

[1203] You've seen him on tons of true crime things.

[1204] He has strange like a little Dutch boy hair, uh, but gray.

[1205] Okay.

[1206] It makes very little sense.

[1207] And he's the guy that defended Mike Tyson and Michael Jackson.

[1208] So you've seen him on the news.

[1209] Okay.

[1210] Oh, sure, sure.

[1211] Yeah.

[1212] Yeah.

[1213] and and so it he hires that guy then he hires media consultants um to start the story spin and they get him on barbara walters so from jail in his orange jumpsuit with his hair now turned white he isn't dyeing his hair black anymore like he had up until that time that that was like a big thing and they say he did it for sympathy or whatever but from jail she's like did you kill your wife and he's like no of course I didn't he's like as if he's irritated irritated with Barbara overdoing it a little for even a if there's a yeah he's there's a touch of lily gilding but we can't tell if that's just how he is yeah because he's a child actor he's never had a normal life yeah like you just don't know um he ends up eventually he ends up going free on a million dollars bail a million dollars rich rich acquitted rich rich and bailed so is that their theme song rich rich rich rich rich rich rich and I quinnon.

[1214] Okay.

[1215] So then the trial starts on December 20th, 2004 at good old fucking Ventura courthouse.

[1216] At our spot, Van Nuys Courthouse.

[1217] Fuck yeah.

[1218] That's how it all ties back in.

[1219] Love it.

[1220] Now, now that I'm thinking at it, I know the pretrial was at the Van Ice Courthouse.

[1221] I don't know if the actual trial.

[1222] Who cares?

[1223] Let's go with it.

[1224] So there's two different stuntmen.

[1225] who come testify that Robert Blake solicited them to kill his wife months before the actual murder.

[1226] One of them, they can prove he talked to on the phone the morning of the murder.

[1227] Robert.

[1228] But in cross -examination, he gets this.

[1229] Mezzaro ends up resigning from the case, whatever that's called, leaving it.

[1230] Quitting.

[1231] Quitting, I guess.

[1232] Quitting is the word I was looking for.

[1233] You're welcome.

[1234] He leaves.

[1235] he gets a, Blake gets a third lawyer and always a bad sign when you have to keep fucking getting it.

[1236] Look at Ted Bundy for example.

[1237] It's not good.

[1238] No. You're not an agreeable individual.

[1239] They hate you.

[1240] Yeah, they hate your guts.

[1241] They can't even, like, they're lawyers and they can't even fucking deal with you.

[1242] They can't deal.

[1243] They don't have to be around you that much.

[1244] And they're just like, what the fuck is wrong with you.

[1245] Just do what I tell you and everything will be fine.

[1246] No, no, no, no. I'm a rock and roll actor.

[1247] I'm smart.

[1248] Yeah.

[1249] Um, okay.

[1250] So the new, uh, lawyer is basically just like, whoa, I'm just going to eviscerate any of these witnesses who even, because there's so little evidence that they have to like, so the two stuntmen that come and say, oh, yeah, he asked us to kill his wife.

[1251] One of them, they pull up a report that he had recently been hospitalized for cocaine psychosis.

[1252] Oh, no. What's that?

[1253] It's just like you do so much cocaine, you fucking lose your mind.

[1254] How much cocaine?

[1255] I mean, I'd say nights worth.

[1256] Maybe two nights worth.

[1257] All right.

[1258] Interesting.

[1259] It's like you just, you start it and you don't stop.

[1260] Oh, my God.

[1261] And then you just fucking go berserk.

[1262] So that comes out on one guy.

[1263] So then he just like, because all of his credibility is done.

[1264] And they basically do the same thing to the second guy.

[1265] They're just like, oh, you're both these drug addicts.

[1266] You're both these, you know, whoever, you'd say anything for money.

[1267] You'd say anything.

[1268] Sure.

[1269] So basically, once they get rid of those two people, there's no real evidence that they, that's, that's usable in court.

[1270] So the jury deliberates for 12 days on March 16th, 12 days.

[1271] 2005, Robert Blake was found not guilty of murder and not guilty of one of the two counts of solicitation of murder.

[1272] Straight up, not guilty, not even like.

[1273] Not guilty.

[1274] Yeah.

[1275] Sorry going.

[1276] Not guilty.

[1277] No, that's fine.

[1278] The other count of solicitation of the, of the guy, the cocaine psychosis guy, that was dropped when it was revealed that the jury was deadlocked 11.

[1279] into one in favor of acquittal.

[1280] So they were going to go for it anyway.

[1281] And they're just basically like, forget that one.

[1282] And he's just going free.

[1283] Erase that one off the whiteboard.

[1284] Yeah.

[1285] They're just like, oh, you're rich.

[1286] You're acquitted.

[1287] The Los Angeles, this is from Wikipedia.

[1288] Los Angeles district attorney Stephen Cooley called Blake, quote, a miserable human being.

[1289] And the jurors are, quote, incredibly stupid to fall for the defense's claims.

[1290] There's one woman in this special rich and acquitted.

[1291] where she goes, of course I believe that Mr. Blake would left his gun inside a restaurant.

[1292] Haven't we all left things inside restaurants at one time or another?

[1293] It's just like, lady, it's a fucking gun.

[1294] Oh, my God.

[1295] It's not your lipstick.

[1296] It's not your fucking retainer that you put in the cloth napkin.

[1297] Oh, cost your parents $300.

[1298] They were so pissed in Mimi's Cafe in Irvine.

[1299] So basically, the public consensus was, that he hired someone to kill his wife and it's just unprovable.

[1300] But a lot of, there were lots of character witnesses that were like, no, he's the best and he would never do that.

[1301] And of course, there was no evidence.

[1302] So, okay, go on.

[1303] On the night of his acquittal, several fans celebrated at Pitello's.

[1304] Oh, no. And Karen Kilgariff was one of them.

[1305] And I was up there singing opera just like this on November 18th, 2005.

[1306] It's not opera.

[1307] It's not?

[1308] What?

[1309] Yes, it is.

[1310] That was Verity.

[1311] I love opera.

[1312] Everything's straight out your nose in opera.

[1313] This is the barber of Seville.

[1314] But if you're singing about opera, it's opera.

[1315] You don't have to sing opera.

[1316] That's right.

[1317] This is a musical about singing opera.

[1318] There's no actual opera in it.

[1319] I'm out here and I'm wearing a Viking hat.

[1320] A viking hat.

[1321] Guys.

[1322] On November 18th, 2005, Robert Blake was found liable in a California civil court for her wrongful death.

[1323] Civil court will always fucking come at you.

[1324] They'll come back and they'll be like, hey, we see things a little bit differently.

[1325] We forgot to talk about the fucking O .J. Simpson.

[1326] No, we'll talk about it next time.

[1327] Go on.

[1328] Okay.

[1329] So.

[1330] Sorry.

[1331] No, no, that's fine.

[1332] So since that time, he had to file for bankruptcy.

[1333] He's in $3 million in debt, unpaid legal fees, as well as state and federal.

[1334] taxes he said that he might return to acting because he has such financial problems now acting's like we're good bro yeah we're like we got we got it covered barretta we're gonna hire the parrot instead um in 2010 state of california filed a tax lien against blake for a million and a hundred thousand dollars that's one million one hundred and ten thousand dollars in unpaid back taxes ouch it hurts um now this is a very famous interview he was on he went on July 16th 2012 he went on Pierce Morgan and he's wearing a sleeveless cowboy shirt and a cow black cowboy shirt and then a cowboy hat no no don't and he is gaxed so crazy you have to look it up on YouTube it's an experience to have and he just starts attacking Pierce Morgan for asking him any questions at all and Pierce Morgan's like yeah but this is what we came right for as like the interview and he snaps and is super fucking crazy oh i want to watch it you have to watch it uh it's it's a it's pretty legendary um he told the people that were writing his autobiography that he hoped for one last great film role but the but um he was in lost highway the uh david linch movie in 1997 and that to date is his last acting role wow um in a march 2016 this is the this is one of the saddest endings not saddest but like one of the most like oh endings of any of the murders that i've done in 2016 march 2016 he told a reporter that he had a private nurse and that he was suffering suffering from incontinence and that my friend is the is this sad ending um of the murder of bonnie lee bakely oh my god and the rich acquitted experience of actor Robert Blake that's right now he's 85 he's still alive he's still alive that I think he remarried for a third time um someone married him again of course it's the fucking this is a town full of people who want their own billboard so they'll do anything he gets to be 85 but fucking uh Stephen hawking is what was he like 73 so look such bullshit I wish I could explain God's work I wish you could too It's a mystery This is just how he does it Next time we have to talk about the OJ if I did it That they finally Oh thank you that was amazing That was so good You're welcome Thank you I don't want to call it fun But it was a wild ride You know who he's always reminded me of Is the dude the dad from the staircase Like just creepy in that way.

[1335] There's definitely an energy about him that you're, but, but you can't tell actors are so creepy.

[1336] They're so creepy.

[1337] That it's like, it's that, yeah.

[1338] It's like who are, is this really the real you or is there another real you?

[1339] Are you acting or you, do you never know how to not be acting?

[1340] Right.

[1341] And you just think feelings are weird mess to put on so you can manipulate people.

[1342] Like instead of actually having a real time experience.

[1343] It's like, here's how feelings look like and sound like.

[1344] Oh, Italy.

[1345] I love this place.

[1346] My gun.

[1347] Abut and Donza, everybody.

[1348] Pizza for one.

[1349] Type of shit.

[1350] They got a ringtone immediately.

[1351] Steven, turn that into a fucking ringtone.

[1352] But you're talking about, so there was the O .J. Simpson, like an if I did it special.

[1353] Right.

[1354] It got filmed in like 2006 and there was like a fucking public outcry.

[1355] And I was like, don't put it out.

[1356] But so they finally did.

[1357] you'll have to watch it and we'll talk about it next week because it's fucked up um he did it yeah and he admits to it in this fucking show whoa it's fucked up okay so two women who were one of us they were murderinos they were lovely women and uh they were murdered this week yeah this is one of the most awful things we we've been contacted and had a bunch of people tell us about this but Stephen, just so you guys know, and I think sometimes people aren't aware of this.

[1358] Like, Stephen is so good about, he's on those message boards with you guys, and he knows what everyone's doing.

[1359] He reads all those emails.

[1360] So, like, he lets us know, especially when something this horrible happens.

[1361] And so we found out that it was on Tuesday.

[1362] When was Monday?

[1363] When was Tuesday?

[1364] We found out this morning.

[1365] Yeah.

[1366] That two different murderinas in Seattle.

[1367] were murdered.

[1368] Separately from it's so so Lita Burns and Samantha Field we're both murdered.

[1369] If you go to the my favorite murder Facebook page, there's more information.

[1370] We actually don't know a lot of information ourselves, but we just wanted to acknowledge them and we're so heartbroken over it and not just because you know, they're listening to the podcast obviously, but because it's just really heartbreaking and we feel like they're friends of ours and it just feels really, it feels like we're this club and we've lost two members and it feels horrible and in such a terrible way like just we're thinking about you guys because they were your friends and you know this is this is your guys community that you're building and so you're all connected and the idea that something like that would happen to you in your community is just heartbreaking so we're thinking about you and and we're so sorry and we're so sorry to the families and you know hopefully they'll be quick like for the one that that is right now they don't know as much information that hopefully that case will be solved quickly and the other one is just an incredible tragedy I mean they both are but yeah there's just so much loss and we're so sorry yeah okay so my positive thing this week I just want to give this shout out to this movie that I can put on in the background and Vince and I put it on at night when we get home from going out and we just want to watch something and it's just you can start it at any point and it just makes me so happy it's called los angeles plays itself oh have you seen it no it's so good it's a documentary about los angeles in the movies oh and it shows all the old school movies and all the places and things in los angeles in the background like rebel out of cause all these places and it's just this really lovely lovely thing to put on as a nice distraction and you can just watch it and enjoy yourself.

[1371] I would love to see that.

[1372] It's so good.

[1373] It's really funny.

[1374] After all the shit we've been saying, that's like the perfect thing to say.

[1375] It's like, no one, but it actually is really pretty.

[1376] Los Angeles playing itself.

[1377] Yeah, I bet Beretta's on there.

[1378] There, I mean, there's, I think he was in New York.

[1379] Well, never mind.

[1380] Well, they show that too.

[1381] It's like they say this is New York, but here's Los Angeles downtown.

[1382] I think the Orphium's in there as well.

[1383] Oh, that's right.

[1384] I showed downtown.

[1385] L .A. and what it's pretending to be or when they're, you know, to live and die in L .A. and what parts of L .A. it is.

[1386] And it's narrated by the sky who's got like the most soothing, lovely monotone voice.

[1387] Oh.

[1388] It's such a good fucking, it's such a good, it's just like a good living creature that I really like.

[1389] Amazing.

[1390] Yeah.

[1391] I love it.

[1392] I love to live and die in L .A. is a good movie.

[1393] Yeah.

[1394] Oh, mine's also kind of on the same.

[1395] It was making me laugh.

[1396] There were people that were giving us suggestions for what this segment should be called.

[1397] I know.

[1398] And it was making me laugh.

[1399] People had some hilarious suggestions um but we should think of an actual name for it yeah um because people were trying to do puns of course which god god people love puns um but i don't think we have it yet unless you can think of one while i say this one okay i just last night i watched my um so we all got to write two episodes on baskets this season and my second one was on last night oh my god and it made me laugh Now, look, I mean, part of the reason it makes me laugh is because Zach and Martha and Louis, they riff so much.

[1400] Yeah.

[1401] So we get credit for stuff that we did not write, and it's awesome.

[1402] I mean, like, watching Zach riff and knowing that the things, like, he just writes the best joke.

[1403] So I remember when I can't remember what the actual joke is supposed to be, but Christine Baskett says to Chip, she's like, Chip, it's not a competition.

[1404] And he goes, yes, it is, mother, everything is.

[1405] And it made me laugh so hard.

[1406] And that was totally exact joke.

[1407] But there were things in it that were so fun to make up.

[1408] And I remember when I was making them up thinking, I think this is going to work, like having that feeling.

[1409] But it's so hard to believe in that when you're just making something up and writing it on a page.

[1410] And, you know, of course, I always talk about how much I love Jonathan Kreisles.

[1411] my boss on that show and the director and the visionary of that show and the one that makes it work it's his doing but he was like no no no this is exactly how it should be in this ending scene where they're all in this Halloween store having a fight as a family is just like I was laughing at my own writing which usually anything I watch of my own gives me great pain it gives me lots of like retroactive shame and regret and I should have done this better and I should have done this and I just purely enjoyed myself I love that it was really really fun and I don't know those guys are just we get it's just the coolest thing to be a part of so that was exciting that's awesome yeah I love that wait I know what we'll call it bragging corner how's that how about the positive place positive positive vibes positive vibes something about party vibes party vibes yeah my favorite party vibes yeah my favorite party vibes yeah Yeah, hashtag.

[1412] I think party vibes.

[1413] What do you think?

[1414] This gives me party vibes?

[1415] Yeah.

[1416] I mean, I'm going to be sarcastic every time I say it if it's party vibes.

[1417] Well, because it's stupid.

[1418] Right.

[1419] Like I mean it as a joke.

[1420] No, no, I know.

[1421] No. I mean, I like party vibes.

[1422] No, we'll keep, let's keep workshopping that.

[1423] You know what?

[1424] Let's put a pin in it and let's fucking workshop it.

[1425] Let's do party vibes is best of right now.

[1426] There's all these people that are like, I tweeted something better on time.

[1427] Yeah.

[1428] You did.

[1429] You're right.

[1430] No, you're absolutely right about your own ideas.

[1431] Yeah.

[1432] Don't ever listen to anybody else's outside influence.

[1433] Don't bother.

[1434] Party vibes is what it is until we think of the better idea.

[1435] Okay.

[1436] And we'll get there.

[1437] That's the one to beat.

[1438] Yeah.

[1439] Um, gosh, thanks for listening.

[1440] We, we love this community and we love being part of it.

[1441] And we're so fucking grateful.

[1442] Yeah.

[1443] We really are.

[1444] For you guys listening and for what's happened to our lie.

[1445] We don't talk about it because, Like we said, we're fucking terrified that it's going to all fall apart the minute we acknowledge it.

[1446] And we say it at live shows.

[1447] We don't really say it on recorded episodes.

[1448] That's true.

[1449] How insanely incredible I want to say my life has become because of this podcast.

[1450] It's true.

[1451] In a way that I think I fell through a wormhole when I was a kid and ended up here because there's just no way that this is real.

[1452] It's so true.

[1453] It's so funny they say that because today was my therapist.

[1454] today, therapy day.

[1455] So where, which is when I get especially like raw and kind of like, what am I saying?

[1456] Yeah.

[1457] But I did have a moment where I told my therapist, it really does feel like everything has come together.

[1458] It's like it's that feeling like at the end of a prayer for Owen Meaney where all of a sudden he understands why he was doing that trick shot with his friend the whole time because then they're in the war together or whatever.

[1459] Yeah.

[1460] It had that feeling of like the stuff that we and I have been doing lately where I'm like, oh I got it I've been trained for this yeah I kind of know what I'm doing here and it finally makes sense like I don't know it's thank what we're saying is thank you thank you guys for listening thanks for being a part of it it's we're having the best time we're glad you guys are having the best time fucking hooray we're so grateful and uh and stay sexy and don't get murdered bye bye Elvis want cookie oh yeah you want you want a cookie Good boy Want cookie You got it I know what they think There's a better one I'm sorry I just keep saying I'm such a stage mom