The Big Suey: With Scissors?

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[12] Welcome to the Big Suey, presented by Draft Kings.

[13] Why are you listening to this show?

[14] The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Lebitard podcast.

[15] I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that.

[16] In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging.

[17] I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there.

[18] That hasn't happened to you guys?

[19] I've done it.

[20] And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face, and the habitual liar.

[21] Stugats came in here muttering.

[22] He doesn't often do this.

[23] He just said we failed.

[24] We failed during the last 20 minutes of what we were doing.

[25] I mean, we had the Candyman on.

[26] It's our kind of guest.

[27] I don't feel like we did a good enough job with him.

[28] David's top five was an embarrassment.

[29] I mean, the whole thing was a failure as far as I'm concerned.

[30] We didn't find out if he gets a medal if they win or get any of that.

[31] Right.

[32] It was a terrible list by David Sampson.

[33] How are seeds?

[34] What is, how?

[35] Ice cream and seeds on a candy list.

[36] Yep.

[37] Like, what is he doing?

[38] That's just stuff he likes in his clubhouse is what he was doing.

[39] That wasn't a candy list.

[40] I'm surprised he didn't say like dried fruit.

[41] Yeah.

[42] But seeds.

[43] Like, he's talking about.

[44] And number one, two.

[45] Prunes.

[46] It doesn't even make any sense.

[47] Number one.

[48] Nobody would put seeds in a candy list.

[49] I can't believe how many players actually like Werther's original.

[50] I was kind of joking.

[51] I kind of like it.

[52] I like it, but I thought you've always made fun of me because you say it's an old person's candy.

[53] I think that's an exceptional.

[54] That's why I was thinking Popovich probably was the one that brought there around.

[55] It's just caramel.

[56] That's a great joke.

[57] Good joke.

[58] Delicious caramel.

[59] It's the name, right?

[60] Wothers, it makes it feel old.

[61] It is old, but it sounds older because it's Wothers, right?

[62] Well, what is the oldest feeling of?

[63] of all the candies.

[64] The strawberry ones.

[65] The strawberry one.

[66] Oh yeah.

[67] It looks like a strawberry.

[68] But a scotch.

[69] I don't know if I'm gonna be able to do better than that strawberry one, which I also like.

[70] I also like that one.

[71] You like the strawberry one?

[72] Yes, I mean, it's an old person's candy.

[73] I've never eaten it.

[74] I've always seen it at my wailas house, but I've never actually eaten it.

[75] I don't think she's ever actually eating it either.

[76] I like the consistency of what's inside more than just the flavor of it because some of this stuff is textural.

[77] Mike and Ike, that's why I like Mike and Ikes.

[78] That's why I like dots.

[79] So I just Googled old people candy and the first pictures that came up were where there's original and the strawberry candy.

[80] Like just right there, look, right there's four images.

[81] We ended the game.

[82] That's the game.

[83] Fairly immediately.

[84] Can you please play for me as I get serious here for a second locally?

[85] Can you just play for me the music that we have that is way too upbeat for the stuff that I'm talking about?

[86] Die.

[87] We're all going to die.

[88] I'm going to die.

[89] The oceans are all burn ears and find out I'm going to die.

[90] Stugats, our friend Adam McKay, okay, who created Funny or Die and is responsible for a generation of movie comedy, has legitimately been made insane by the approaching climate apocalypse.

[91] This man made succession, among other things, and has moved away from making.

[92] giant Hollywood things for the moment because he's concentrating on climate change and yellow dot studios and most recently he's putting up a bunch of satirical U .S. billboards that are making fun of big oil and he's just showing like temperatures that are going out of control all over the world brought to you by big oil they're all satirical billboards going up all over the United States and I wanted to bring this up because I don't know if you saw In Sarasota and Clearwater, on the other side of the state, a bunch of flooding that has killed six people.

[93] Now, if any of these six people were people that you care about, you would be alarmed by what it is that's happening, which is this was a minor storm.

[94] It was not a hurricane.

[95] It was Debbie, not of any size, although it did grow quickly because of how hotly the Atlantic Ocean is.

[96] And I believe we're in a new normal now.

[97] where flooding that, I mean, if you think Olympic swimmers are getting sick in bad water, and if you want to just go anywhere around Florida and check for alligators, here's how you do it, you reach over to some water, and if it's wet, there are alligators.

[98] If you are someone who cares about Florida at all, and you see what's happening with flooding that is more than inconvenience, again, six people have died, this was a nothing storm, and all it did was stall.

[99] And it grew large into close to a one because of how I believe that the water is so hot now that the storms are just going to get bigger, faster without warning because forecasters don't know what to do with our new normal.

[100] So you're worried and you have every right to be.

[101] We all should be worried because a storm like that causes that kind of damage.

[102] Imagine a real storm.

[103] Imagine a real storm hitting a Florida coast, a cat four, right?

[104] I mean, I I don't have to imagine it.

[105] It already had Sanibel Island got taken out.

[106] I know.

[107] It's, what is happening is mortifying.

[108] And I know people don't want to talk about it, but I don't know that there's a more pressing thing that we have than we're ruining the earth for everyone who comes after us.

[109] And I will just alert you to it again and again when this stuff makes its way quietly around and kills six people and nobody cares, but you would care if any of the six people were people that you cared.

[110] about yesterday on the show stugats we were talking about this report from steve quarter at athlons and i was asking you guys because certainly if he had reported this and done it for a publication that had a lot of mainstream access this would be a sports scandal that would knock the Olympics off of your television screen because the details in this and again, they're allegations.

[111] This is all reportedly, and Dion Sanders has suggested legal action.

[112] So I'm going to bring in Steve Corder now to talk about the reporting because it's a chaotic culture turns into locker room violence in Colorado with some of the details.

[113] And one of the players is quoted as saying it's real life grand theft auto, fights, guns, money floating around, old University of Miami stuff.

[114] So Steve Corder joins us now from Athlon Sports.

[115] Thank you, Steve, for joining us.

[116] Can you walk us through your reporting, please?

[117] Why were so many players willing to talk to you?

[118] Well, this started a couple months ago.

[119] Once everybody started hitting the portal, so I started reaching out, and one thing led to another.

[120] Somebody would give me a snippet here, a snippet there.

[121] Oh, you should talk to this person.

[122] So I just continually reached out, and like I said, it's just kind of been building.

[123] over the last three or four months.

[124] Tell us about the gun allegations.

[125] It's rampant there.

[126] There's a video that's circulating that I actually found after the piece where they're asking, I believe it's Bucky is going around asking who's the most strapped on the team.

[127] And people are giving their opinions.

[128] It's not just one person.

[129] It's multiple people.

[130] I found a video also last night of Travis Hunter and Dion fishing, and there's a gun in plain sight while he's fishing.

[131] So it seems like it's just part of the culture.

[132] What do you think were the most outlandish details in your report?

[133] What were the things that you were most surprised to learn?

[134] The incident between Washington and Jordan Seton, Like, I understand things like that go on.

[135] Like, I'm not...

[136] Tell us what happened for the uninitiated, please.

[137] Basically, Jordan was asked to show his manhood, and him in Washington got into a fight.

[138] And there's a picture that is of Seton that was taken, I believe, two days later, that he's obviously bruised.

[139] His lip looks busted.

[140] And again, this came, came to me after the fact, after the story came out.

[141] But, you know, like I said, I understand hazing.

[142] I understand things go on in a locker room.

[143] But it seems like it's just a little too much, a little too much that's going on that need to be reported on.

[144] From what you said, it sounds like you have more information now than you did.

[145] It sounds like better information is now available to you since you've done your reporting than there was while you were doing your report.

[146] Yeah, a lot more people have come out between people sending me messages on Twitter or Instagram or whatever, just saying, hey, have you seen this?

[147] Hey, have you heard about this?

[148] And it's kind of open to floodgate.

[149] But there is, I'm not, it's not a belief.

[150] There's a lot more going on than just what I've reported.

[151] What was your reaction, Steve, when you heard Dion Sanders dismiss your reporting?

[152] I'm not surprised.

[153] To be.

[154] honest.

[155] I did a piece about a little Wayne concert a couple months ago and I could tell from that that I was that I hit a nerve because the way that they reacted they were talking about it on campus.

[156] They were making content about it.

[157] And to me, that let me know that I was on the right track.

[158] That was just like I said, kind of one of the first things that I had worked on.

[159] same with this they made a specific content to talk about the story and it's like if it's not true then just say it's not true but nobody has said that see you gave a no comment the players weren't specifically asked about it but nobody has come out and said no none of that ever happened so like I said I'm I'm confident in my reporting Dionne Sanders has dismissed the report he is quoted as saying, that's when you know you are doing well when they start lying.

[160] Can you take me through the vetting of this?

[161] Have you noticed that the story hasn't gained traction and that if you were working someplace other than Athlon Sports, you would assume that this story would get traction.

[162] And I don't say that as an indictment of Athlon Sports.

[163] There are like five entities in America that can report something like this and have it get traction.

[164] I am somewhat surprised, but again, the amount of fanfare and attention that Dion gets, you know, anything that is controversial, you know, gets talked about, gets put out there.

[165] As far as vetting, like I said, I just started talking to players that have transferred and checking things out, I would talk to another player.

[166] And as things lined up, as things made sense, like I started putting, you know, blocks on top of another and, you know, it finally, finally worked itself out.

[167] What have your last five days been like?

[168] It's been a little different than normal.

[169] I consider myself just a normal guy who's, you know, just trying to take care of his family and, you know, do what he's supposed to do what he's supposed to do for them.

[170] but I've been getting all kinds of messages in, you know, DMs and things like that.

[171] People talking crazy, people calling me a liar and, you know, words that I can't say on TV.

[172] And it's a little unsettling, but, again, I know the truth and, you know, the truth will set you free as some say.

[173] Can you explain to us why folks should trust your reporting?

[174] You know, I don't know if there's a reason why they should trust it.

[175] I just know I've talked to these kids, these young men, they're scared.

[176] They're worried about repercussions, whether it be players that are no longer there or players that are there.

[177] So, you know, I'm just doing what I think is what's right, what needs to be done.

[178] If this was going on anywhere, I would think that anybody would want to know about it, whether it's the university, whether it's the state, whether it's the players' families, whatever that may be.

[179] What do you say to folks who say like Stugats did yesterday, I want to hear from current players.

[180] I don't want to hear with a bunch of players who have an axe to grind.

[181] No, I totally get that.

[182] But it's kind of the same deal.

[183] If players that are there, what are they going to say?

[184] If they speak out against Dion, against what's going on, they're going to be in the same spot as some of these other players.

[185] I have a story about a former player who was very tight with Dion.

[186] And the week before he actually was released, he spent time with Dion privately.

[187] So it just kind of goes to show you that it doesn't matter who you are.

[188] It's all about what's best for him and what he's trying to get accomplished.

[189] How bad would you say the bullying is?

[190] How bad is the what?

[191] sorry the bullying it's it seems fairly bad but again i don't know if that's from what you know from what was reported with shiloh and kormani incident um but i think it comes from the top it feels you know i don't know if it comes straight from dion but it seems like that's the culture that they're setting and i again maybe that's some kind of NFL thing or um something because he's been at that next level that he's experienced and that's how you're supposed to handle the kids in the program, but it seems like it's, you know, it just seems a little much.

[192] Why aren't Colorado beat reporters and national college football reporters working on stories like this?

[193] I can't speak on national reporters.

[194] I would think that the beat reporters are content because they have access or they have the access that Dion allows them to have, and that's enough for them.

[195] Maybe they don't believe it.

[196] Maybe they only believe what they see and what they're told.

[197] You know, I can't speak on any of that.

[198] Are you going to continue your reporting on this now that things are continually pouring in?

[199] Yes, absolutely.

[200] And how much more is there here from what it is that you've gathered in the last five days since you're reporting?

[201] Like, how much worse is it than you initially thought?

[202] It is, it is just a lot more that's to be told, whether it be, like, again, I don't know if any current players will ever speak out.

[203] But I know that there is more, and there's things that are going to come down the line within, again, I don't know the next couple days, the next week, but there is more that's going to come out on this.

[204] All right, Steve, thank you for being on with us.

[205] We appreciate.

[206] Is there anything else you think we need to know here?

[207] Because this is going to, again, I will repeat, Dion has suggested legal action.

[208] Everything here is alleged.

[209] Everything here is reportedly.

[210] it's Athlon Sports.

[211] Are you worried about this legal action?

[212] Are your editors worried about this legal action?

[213] There's no reason to worry.

[214] I, you know, I vetted my sources.

[215] I checked, I double checked.

[216] You know, I have multiple people that I trust.

[217] There's, you know, again, I understand the whole, there's an axe to grind, there's this, there's that.

[218] But once you talk to, you know, more than two, leave these guys.

[219] Thank you, Steve.

[220] Appreciate the work, sir.

[221] Thank you, Dan.

[222] Appreciate it.

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[226] You know what you can do with Peloton?

[227] What?

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[230] Go outside.

[231] Well, I thought you ride Peloton inside.

[232] Well, you do.

[233] You can ride Peloton inside if it's a rainy day or if it's cloudy or you just don't want to get outside.

[234] Maybe it's too hot.

[235] It's summertime.

[236] Go outside.

[237] I record a lot from my office with you and you've noticed it's sitting there yet it hasn't been used well now's the time summer's the best time to start that push stu gotz right can we do it together not on the same bike but we could join a class together i used to do that we just have giermotan i'd invite people we'd all take a class together same time so i think you're starting to get concerned about my health and my age billy i i sense that with you're we're beyond starting okay whatever road lies ahead your training starts here with peloton tread and tread plus not just a bike a treadmill too i'm going to go outside i'm going to get in shape i'm going to do with Billy Gill.

[238] I want to be in your class.

[239] I want you to be my instructor.

[240] You know what?

[241] I won't be your instructor.

[242] You don't want to spend more time with me. No, I can schedule a class and we can ride together.

[243] I won't be the instructor of the class.

[244] We can have Camila could be our instructor.

[245] I like the Grateful Dead class.

[246] My daughter, she uses the Peloton.

[247] She was on it once and an instructor who was playing Grateful Dead tunes.

[248] Let's do that.

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[277] Don Lebertard.

[278] We got Afrini Hardaway.

[279] O 'Friene?

[280] Who was a Freeney Hardaway?

[281] I was trying to read fast.

[282] U .D. was on the team.

[283] Luke Jackson.

[284] Bobby Jones.

[285] The Matrix, Sean Marion.

[286] Stugats.

[287] Zo, Shack, Smush Parker, Chris Quinn.

[288] Wait a minute.

[289] D. Wade.

[290] Jason Williams.

[291] They're all right.

[292] I mean, stacked roster.

[293] This is the Don Levit.

[294] about our show with the Stugats.

[295] Stugats, your thoughts here because we've been talking about it for two days.

[296] And last year, we got, you know, taken, carried away with the first month of Dion Sanders football because he was bringing marketing and fame.

[297] But I say carried away, and I don't say it is criticism.

[298] It was fun and delightful.

[299] Like, I would do it all exactly again because he has come to something.

[300] thing that has always been done a certain way, and he has decided to do it as straight businessman.

[301] I'm going to take away all.

[302] Dionne Sanders comes from a locker room.

[303] I don't remember.

[304] You guys will find the name for me somewhere.

[305] In the Cowboys locker room, Michael Irvin one time took out a teammate with a pair of scissors.

[306] Just stabbed him with a pair of scissors.

[307] because Dion's from a different time.

[308] That Cowboys locker room was nuts on and off the field.

[309] Wait, Michael Orvin killed someone in the locker room with scissors?

[310] No, he didn't kill him with scissors.

[311] You don't have to kill everybody when you hit him with scissors.

[312] I took him out.

[313] I thought we were killing.

[314] Everett McIver.

[315] The backstory on that.

[316] Thank you.

[317] Tony knew that off the top of his head.

[318] In the neck.

[319] I mean.

[320] Think about that.

[321] So could have killed him.

[322] Billy says Michael Irvin, Michael Irvin killed him.

[323] Well, he could have.

[324] I don't know.

[325] In fact, given the rage and the scissors and the neck, that formula can kill a person.

[326] And that's super dangerous.

[327] The quote was, punk, get the f*** out of my chair.

[328] Then next stab it with scissors.

[329] Yeah, that's it.

[330] I think McGiver was in his, I think Michael Irvin wanted a haircut first.

[331] What kind of scissors?

[332] Cissors?

[333] But we're like the blunt tip.

[334] Like they have the blunt tip ones that like kindergartners use, they use construction paper with.

[335] Then you have like, now you're saying barbers here.

[336] It's a bit different.

[337] Because if you're doing like cutting barber shears, then those are pretty pointy.

[338] I don't know.

[339] This is.

[340] I'll look into it.

[341] Thank you.

[342] Please do that.

[343] I doubt it's the kindergarten scissors.

[344] I don't think.

[345] You never know.

[346] I feel like I do know that one.

[347] I feel like that's not what happened there.

[348] I don't think that that's what Michael Irvin.

[349] I think I do know that one.

[350] Well, because blunt tip, yeah, look, see these scissors was at those type of scissors.

[351] I don't think it was those type of scissors.

[352] If you do the blunt tip, that would explain how you don't kill someone.

[353] Because, like, you stab someone in the neck with scissors, you assume this ends very badly.

[354] My point is that an NFL locker room, a football locker room in general, is probably a little bit different of a work environment, especially in the 90s, than the ones that we work in.

[355] I think it might be like those tape cutters, you know, like one of those.

[356] Yeah.

[357] Yeah, from the training room.

[358] Right.

[359] Yeah, yeah.

[360] So Dion enters year two now, and I imagine a whole bunch of this is going to end up following.

[361] him all over the place.

[362] And the only way to silence it is through winning.

[363] But it is a super different way of doing things, Stu Gads, to go into every year with like, yeah, 50 transfers, no problem.

[364] Just going to bring a, just going to bus a bunch of guys in here from all over the United States who are, you know, football players in the ecosystem, the economy of making giant money in the big business that college football now is, and when you have that kind of turnover and you're running a place as loosely as I would imagine Dion would run one, you're going to have some spillage that turns into some ugly things.

[365] I happen to believe this reporting.

[366] I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm not looking at this and trying to question the credibility of the reporting.

[367] It was interesting because I'm not either, by the way.

[368] I feel like he handled himself very, very well.

[369] He's confident in his sources.

[370] He's confident in his reporting.

[371] That's all he could ask.

[372] I'm not even talking about that interview.

[373] I'm talking about in the article that I read, I believe the reporting.

[374] Back to Dion for a second, though, because he was on with us recently, and he was very excited for Transfer Day.

[375] It's like he is hell bent on flipping over this roster every single year and giving him what he believes to be the best chance to compete for the playoffs, compete for a national championship.

[376] but, Dan, if some of this stuff is true, if some of it is true, I can't imagine Dion lasting very long at Colorado, can you?

[377] All Miami did was live in this space and get their coaches great jobs in the pros.

[378] Are you kidding me?

[379] Like, what are you doing?

[380] Are you not paying attention?

[381] If he wins, it doesn't matter whether all of this is in his program.

[382] Yeah, but UM was winning, and they were winning big, and they were winning national championships.

[383] Dion's not even close to winning.

[384] You say that, and I understand that.

[385] You're right about that, but he expects to be.

[386] in the playoffs next year.

[387] And so if he gets there, a lot of this will be tolerated.

[388] Because that's the world we're living in, Stugats.

[389] The world we're living in is the player now has the ability to transfer and has more power than he used to have.

[390] But because the coach is still in charge and can get rid of you after a year as well, can just run you off by making you miserable, that puts the coach in a position to run things.

[391] differently than they've ever been run before.

[392] If that report came out about Miami, I feel like there would be a lot of investigations.

[393] There'd be a lot of things happen.

[394] No, it's true.

[395] Guys, no one cares about Miami nationally.

[396] I hate to break it to all of you.

[397] But this is in 19804.

[398] The you would be so back.

[399] But Colorado is the new Miami without the winning.

[400] Like just by virtue of...

[401] They're the current Miami.

[402] So they're the current Miami with more scandal.

[403] I'm looking into this stabbing incident that happened.

[404] It is kind of insane.

[405] So I see it as described as shears that were plunged into his neck.

[406] And then when Jerry Jones was pressed on it, he said the two men were involved in horseplay.

[407] Then they asked Chang Galey about the situation.

[408] And he also said the incident was horseplay and it's being handled in -house.

[409] And Jerry Jones apparently went to Michael Irvin and compelled him to quote, Fork over a handsome son, reportedly six figures to keep the situation quiet.

[410] Because Michael Irvin at the time was on probation for his cocaine bust.

[411] Hush money.

[412] Put it on the poll, please, Juju.

[413] Do horses play by stabbing each other in the neck with scissors?

[414] That's why my grandma, my parents, everybody always tell me, no huigo de mano.

[415] That is why they would say that.

[416] And if somebody ends up with a scissors in the neck, why?

[417] Huel Omano.

[418] That's right.

[419] You're absolutely right.

[420] Michael Irvin also, before the incident, not once but four times yelled seniority.

[421] He's right.

[422] The way that I remember it is that Michael Irvin wanted to get into a barber chair before anybody.

[423] Senority.

[424] Which brings us to a top five list that Tony has in honor of Gordon Hayward joining us later in the show.

[425] top five haircuts in honor of Michael Irvin, stabbing someone for being in the barber's chair.

[426] Any OLLI, Tony, in honor of Gordon Hayward?

[427] Top five NBA haircuts or just haircuts in sports?

[428] Top five NBA haircuts with Gordon Hayward having a transition of different haircuts throughout his time in the NBA.

[429] I've got two OILIs and then I've got a top five.

[430] So OLAI number one, Dr. Jay.

[431] Excellent.

[432] iconic fro.

[433] Old school frow.

[434] Just like the tight, you know, high and tight just...

[435] But not a cut, he grew it out, I mean...

[436] Sure, but it's a haircut.

[437] He's got to trim it.

[438] Number two, Anderson Verrajao.

[439] Can't think of Vergao without the hair.

[440] Very side show, Bob.

[441] Yes, very Simpsons.

[442] Number five.

[443] Number five, Ben Wallace's fro.

[444] So this is all fro.

[445] So far, we're in the past.

[446] Number four.

[447] Number four, Carlos Boozer's Beijing.

[448] Ah, booze.

[449] It's a good.

[450] Classic haircut.

[451] Number three.

[452] Drew Gooden's patch.

[453] Remember the patch.

[454] You had the headband, but then just a patch on it.

[455] There we go.

[456] Nice little picture.

[457] Video.

[458] Put on Carlos Boozer's terrible shoe polished hair.

[459] We had them all with video accompaniments, so we can run through the top five really quick if you want.

[460] Again, there's Carlos Boozer's Beijing.

[461] Then we had Drew Gooden's Patch, which was excellent.

[462] Number two, A .I.'s braids.

[463] Classic.

[464] Had white people wearing.

[465] corneros for a long time.

[466] Just being honest.

[467] And number one, MJ's bald head.

[468] No. He made bald cool, Dan.

[469] Look at that.

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