114 - Civic Order

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[18] Welcome to my favorite murder.

[19] That's Karen Kilgarra.

[20] That's Georgia Hard Start.

[21] And this is the podcast.

[22] That tells you...

[23] What?

[24] It tells you...

[25] It tells you what?

[26] Kind of the worst things you could possibly hear.

[27] Yeah.

[28] It really does just tell it right into your earhole.

[29] It just says it right into your eardrum.

[30] Yeah, so if you're laying in bed at night trying to get something to fall asleep to, this is it.

[31] I had a dream that Tenacious D broke up.

[32] Am I wrong?

[33] That was out of the blue.

[34] Literally a picture just passed through behind my eyes in my brain.

[35] A picture, I must have fallen asleep in front of something that informed my dreams this night.

[36] I hope they didn't.

[37] I mean, they've written nine songs about breaking up.

[38] yeah that's probably what it is i watched some a weird rerun or something oh you know what i was going to do um this is a new corner okay because it's not a correction but i did i i listened to the minute last week's minisode and in thinking about that story of the man that was laying under the movie theater seats because of course we much like the women had happened to were shocked and surprised right there was a man laying under their movie theater seats for an entire movie yeah but so we were laughing and stuff but i did want to underline if that ever happens call the police immediately don't wait for movie theater employees to call the police don't wait from permission to call the police yeah you call the police immediately because the person that lays under movie theater seats is only going to do weirder and more fucked up stuff afterwards totally so i i felt bad after i heard that because we were laughing so hard they did say in it that they talked to the manager and ultimately we called the police.

[39] Yes.

[40] But I think they were just so shocked by it.

[41] Exactly.

[42] Yeah.

[43] As were we.

[44] Yeah.

[45] And I didn't call the police either.

[46] We didn't.

[47] I, no, I actually, on the re -list and I called the police.

[48] I called Burbank Police.

[49] I just wanted to say that like sometimes weird thing is not, you don't have to be touched or assaulted in any way.

[50] That, that deserved a police call for sure.

[51] They should have felt 100 % great doing that.

[52] Definitely.

[53] Yeah.

[54] I guess I don't know.

[55] Maybe that's too random.

[56] But I wanted to underline it.

[57] You've been thinking about it, holding it in.

[58] Now there it is.

[59] If you don't know what like civic order behavior violates, you can still call the police if you feel weird.

[60] Yes.

[61] They'll get the book out from the shelf, the civic order book.

[62] They'll pull it all down and then get into their police cruiser.

[63] Come help you.

[64] Okay.

[65] Now we have to have a different corner.

[66] that it's been asked of us.

[67] They're getting back together.

[68] They're getting back together.

[69] Oh, is that tenaciousy?

[70] Oh, I love tenacious tea.

[71] Are you up for them?

[72] No. Sorry.

[73] Okay, we have to talk about this wild, wild country corner.

[74] Oh, fuck.

[75] Can people, yes, watch it, everyone.

[76] going.

[77] Guys, let's update a couple things.

[78] We heard about the lady's body that was found in the wall years later.

[79] Yeah.

[80] Thank you.

[81] Amazing story.

[82] Combined everything.

[83] We got a lot of tweets about it.

[84] Yep.

[85] All the way up to and including this documentary that is incredibly done.

[86] Mm -hmm.

[87] Beautifully done.

[88] Mm -hmm.

[89] Brilliantly done.

[90] Did you watch the whole thing?

[91] No. No. Me neither.

[92] Can I try it?

[93] You didn't finish it?

[94] I tell you something?

[95] You don't like it.

[96] I find it kind of boring.

[97] Why do I hate everything?

[98] You always say that one.

[99] It's the thing I love.

[100] I know.

[101] Do you think it's because you think you need to do point -counterpoint?

[102] No. If I love it, you have to find something wrong with it.

[103] When did I know your opinion of it?

[104] Well, because I already did it as a story.

[105] Yeah, but I thought your story was interesting.

[106] Listen, I do think, Sheila, though.

[107] Ma 'an, Angela.

[108] I could just listen to her talk for hours.

[109] She did say one thing.

[110] That was a joke.

[111] That one?

[112] She said to someone.

[113] I was watching it last night trying so hard.

[114] I watched episode one and Vincent were both like, wow, this is so boring.

[115] And then I was, someone else was like, it gets better.

[116] So I was like, okay, I'll jump to episode three.

[117] So I go to episode three.

[118] And it's still boring.

[119] But she does say to someone in a news report that, you know, well, what do you say to the people who blah, blah, blah.

[120] And she goes, tough titties.

[121] No, I was just like, wow, that's who I want to be.

[122] I mean, she really is.

[123] kind of a great villain.

[124] I don't know.

[125] I like a lady that's just like bound and determined.

[126] I just wanted to be about like I guess I don't totally understand what the cult is about.

[127] Like all they're doing is fighting people, but without any, like not fighting for.

[128] They were, you know, they were fighting for, um, he was really into like sex.

[129] Yeah.

[130] There was a bunch of sex stuff.

[131] And then there was, you know, there were kind of like Buddhist concepts based.

[132] where it's like, love yourself and love your fellow man. But carry an AK -47 around with you everywhere you go.

[133] I mean, because they started getting, I think, I mean, I, you know, it's, it was just a, it was a cult.

[134] Why, why would any spiritual leader have, was it 37 rolls voices?

[135] I think 37 is the right number.

[136] But like that, that was his goal and dream.

[137] And then they made that happen for him.

[138] Like all those things, there's no, uh, logic isn't a big part.

[139] No, it's not like heaven's gate.

[140] they're like, here's the thing we believe in.

[141] There's this and there's this and we're going to get on fucking the Haley pop and get the fuck out of town and our human, you know, like they had like rules and things.

[142] But it was, you know, is that it was out of that tradition that would happen all the time.

[143] Gurus would pop up.

[144] Gurus, this was the person to listen to.

[145] This guy was smarter than regular people.

[146] Right.

[147] Everybody, that's a human trait.

[148] We love to think there's one smarter person that should tell us everything.

[149] And we'll just do that and then that'll be fine.

[150] Yeah.

[151] Because whatever we're doing isn't working.

[152] Yeah.

[153] And that's a great concept that's completely fucking full of shit.

[154] Because no one knows anything.

[155] Also, some people don't look good in maroon.

[156] Fucking take that shirt off, dude.

[157] Although there were some insanely hot 70s guys in that documentary.

[158] Yeah.

[159] There were some very good looking 70s people who had left their families to your second.

[160] Like the chick, the Australian chick who was just like, I was bored and I did this and that.

[161] And I'm like, I bet her kid has so many fucking issues now.

[162] Yes.

[163] But your mom just got bored of you in her life in the later days to fucking Oregon.

[164] Yes, exactly.

[165] They were like, you know what, I need to do this for me. Yeah.

[166] It's that super selfish, like, late 70s me generation bullshit.

[167] Yeah.

[168] Yeah.

[169] Where everyone was like, this is, I have to prioritize myself.

[170] Right.

[171] So I'm going to get divorced and leave all my children behind.

[172] It's like, okay.

[173] That's why helicopter parenting is what it is today.

[174] Oh, because all of us kids who were left for maroon, fucking...

[175] For the maroon fields of southeastern Oregon.

[176] Now we're like, my mom did it wrong, so now I'm going to do it this way.

[177] I'm going to do it so right.

[178] Yeah.

[179] I am your shadow, Caleb.

[180] And guess what?

[181] You're going to hate your parents anyways.

[182] That's right.

[183] If they're not there, you hate them.

[184] If they're always there, you hate them.

[185] It's real hard to get that English just right on parents.

[186] No, yeah, it doesn't work.

[187] Take it from us.

[188] We don't have kids.

[189] We did the smart thing and did neither.

[190] We parented neither way.

[191] I was always like, how could I have kids when I am merely a child?

[192] Yeah.

[193] Oh, what was the other thing?

[194] Oh, well, this is just incidental.

[195] Okay.

[196] But I feel like people like a nice dentist update.

[197] Right?

[198] Always.

[199] It's because it's really the Rags to Rich's story of me being so afraid to go to the dentist and now I can't stop going to dentist.

[200] Every time we talk to each other, I'm on my way to the dentist, right?

[201] I love to be like, sorry, I'm stepping into the dentist office.

[202] So it's like your agent.

[203] I have to go to my dentist office today.

[204] My highfalutin dentist office.

[205] So again, I went to visit my dentist.

[206] But I wanted to tell people this, because the reason I didn't go for so long was because I thought that I was phobic of the dentist.

[207] I would have panic attacks in the dentist chair.

[208] And recently, and before I said, started going again, my friend Paige Hurwitz, whose parents were doctors, told me that light a cane, which is the novocane that they shoot into your mouth, uh, like a numbing, the numbing shit.

[209] The numbing shit that you, that's get shot into your mouth.

[210] If you are allergic to it or have a sensitivity to it, your blood pressure drops.

[211] And the blood pressure dropping is in me, the same feeling of starting a seizure or starting a panic attack.

[212] Where, and I had it in the chair, and went, oh my God, this is what she was talking about where I felt like I was falling backwards even though I was already laying down.

[213] And I was like, whoa, whoa.

[214] And I, like, my hand went up really weird that he didn't notice, thank God.

[215] But I was still wearing fucking Oakley blades.

[216] So it's not like I looked great or anything.

[217] But basically, if you're afraid to go to the dentist or you have panic attack type feelings, it could be because you're allergic to lydicane and you can ask them to give you something different.

[218] Well, shit.

[219] Like heroin?

[220] You can get a heroin shot into your eye.

[221] And then you don't feel anything.

[222] Shots in your eye.

[223] For like eight hours.

[224] No, it's worth it.

[225] But I just like, once I learned that, I was like, oh, this could have saved me like six years worth of like stress about the dentist.

[226] Not going to the dentist.

[227] Avoiding it or when I used to go, I would be so freaked out.

[228] I was like, couldn't stop.

[229] I would hold my breath the whole time.

[230] Yeah.

[231] It was really weird.

[232] It freaked me out.

[233] fuck that that's my you know what that is that's like a PSA yeah yeah the more you know about your teeth glingo glingo gling gling gling gling gling the more you know oh well should we talk real quick about our announcement our big surprise our big surprise we've been sitting on this one guys we have lots of surprises we have lots of them that we just can't talk about yet yes but we have like four that are going to blow doors once we can talk about them really exciting stuff coming up in the future, everybody.

[234] But in the meantime, the one we can tell you is that we are, we finally have put together a fan club of sorts that we're calling the fan cult because fan clubs.

[235] It's a fan club.

[236] Yeah.

[237] So that's going to happen soon.

[238] And we'll tell you more about it in the next couple weeks, but it's going to have like, it's actually happening in like 10 days.

[239] Yeah.

[240] It's happening very soon.

[241] It's going to be very exciting.

[242] We'll tell you more next episode, but it's going to be like an exclusive merch that you can't get and access, first access to buy tickets to the live shows.

[243] And then like a message board and a cool shit like that.

[244] Pictures, you know, video type stuff.

[245] We're just like, we're actually getting our act together and putting a thing together for you so that if you care to have some next level interaction with this podcast, we're going to give you some stuff.

[246] Yeah, there's going to be a live video feed at Karen's Dentist.

[247] appointments from we're going to get her hot dentist to put a camera or maybe you should have the camera on your head and it's just filming the hot dentist so you can see when he goes can you turn your head more to the right it's I'm constantly trying to turn away and close my mouth so he's constantly trying to tell me to open my mouth more and turn my head so that I'm not basically turning my back on the appointment well they'll know that soon I mean it's exciting stuff and then And I'll have a live feet of, I'll have a forehead camera on my forehead for when I take naps.

[248] Perfect.

[249] So you can just see Mimi sitting next to me sleeping.

[250] It'll be great.

[251] This is show business, people.

[252] This is what you look for in entertainment.

[253] There's going to be a Stephen camp, a mustache cam on Stephen.

[254] It's a tiny camera like in Honey I Shrunk the Kids that travels through Stephen's mustache.

[255] It has adventures.

[256] That's right.

[257] It takes weeks and weeks.

[258] There's a creek.

[259] It meets new people.

[260] That's right.

[261] There's goblins.

[262] Yep.

[263] There's cats, teeny, tiny miniature cats.

[264] Oh, we have to talk about the person that drew the cartoon when we said that Stephen's inception was he just grew out of the carpet.

[265] Oh, my God.

[266] Do you, you don't have that person's name nearby, do you?

[267] I think I might.

[268] I think it's on our MFM.

[269] You sent it to us.

[270] A very talented person whose name were about to say.

[271] Hold on to your butts, everyone.

[272] You get who, it's a race.

[273] Stephen and Georgia are both looking at that phone.

[274] Dylan the girl.

[275] Fuck you.

[276] Steven, Dylan the girl.

[277] Dylan the girl made an inception, like cartoon of us, of Stephen Inception, of us freaking to fuck out while Stephen grows out from the carpet.

[278] It's pretty hilarious.

[279] It was real good.

[280] Thank you.

[281] Thanks, Dylan the girl.

[282] Also, someone, and I'm sorry because I'm not, I'm looking at my phone and I won't race.

[283] I won't race the way these two do.

[284] Someone made, did you see that Photoshop where they put the Kate and Leo from Titanic into a single.

[285] No. It's real good.

[286] That's recent.

[287] Everybody's been, there's been lots of fun interaction on Twitter lately.

[288] Well, Instagram too.

[289] Yes, Instagram's also a great social media platform.

[290] Don't forget mine.

[291] What's going on over on Instagram?

[292] Check in.

[293] I think we got verified, which means just as that little blue check.

[294] Oh, that's good.

[295] And that means that you can get cash anywhere in the city.

[296] Yeah.

[297] No, that you're better than your kids you went to high school with.

[298] Oh, good.

[299] And do you email them and let them know that?

[300] Oh, it lets them, Instagram lets them know on their own.

[301] It sends everyone you went to high school with a notification.

[302] Great.

[303] And then it also sends everybody your social security number.

[304] Right.

[305] Because that's the new thing.

[306] Right.

[307] Well, you don't need your social security number.

[308] You're a higher being who doesn't require government stuff.

[309] You're no longer defined by that number.

[310] Exactly.

[311] So it's like here you can have it if you want it now.

[312] Like, it's up for grabs.

[313] I just in my mind had to tell myself three.

[314] times not to say my own social security number.

[315] I'm not going.

[316] Isn't it like standing at the edge of a cliff and being like, don't, you're not, don't fall forward.

[317] Don't fall forward.

[318] Do not do it.

[319] Don't blur it out your social security number right now.

[320] Like we're going live.

[321] I know, right?

[322] The live show.

[323] That would be actually, do you think we could do that one day, Steve?

[324] What?

[325] Go live.

[326] You're crazy.

[327] No, I'm not.

[328] I mean, we could do like a Facebook live or even through the new fan page probably.

[329] Oh, that wasn't fake.

[330] I swear to God.

[331] I think that would be hilarious and really fun.

[332] Also on the fan cult, there's going to be a Facebook live access.

[333] We're going to do once a week.

[334] Shut the fuck up.

[335] No, we're not.

[336] We're going to come to you every morning from 5 a .m. Stephen, can you edit this part just so we have it so we can play it to Karen every time?

[337] She's like, who the fuck paid this decision to do this?

[338] When I'm laying on my couch, like, I'm not coming to that.

[339] George is like, no, no, no. It's yours.

[340] It was all your idea.

[341] It's yours.

[342] You did this.

[343] You.

[344] You took the camera out of Stephen's mustache and put it directly on us live.

[345] That's what she wanted.

[346] Come on, everybody.

[347] I do think it would be cool if we could have a hotline.

[348] A hotline.

[349] Jesus, you're just adding so much.

[350] Just pick up a phone every once in a while, and maybe there's somebody there.

[351] Like, let's go to...

[352] I feel like we could do a live hometown read.

[353] episode or to put up on the fan page you mean like I grab this microphone and run downstairs to find somebody on the street no I man on the street no we just read from a page live where on the face on in the camera listen I'm going to get this together and I'm going to make it make sense bring it to me and make me see it with you I see it here I just don't have the hair not coming out here not someone said they want to play words with friends with me and I said that I think that that they were being mean because you just want to win a little bit that was an attack a little bit that was an attack because you know you're going to win you took them asking to play a game with you as an insult yes yes if they did I can't even when I I've I used to play Yotsie with friends or with buddies um but I hated the idea every once in while I'd play with a person I didn't know just whoever was on there.

[354] And it creeped me out so much.

[355] Stranger.

[356] I don't like that idea.

[357] It's creepy.

[358] You're not supposed to talk to strangers, especially with Yatsi words.

[359] No. Spelling your words with Yotsi.

[360] No. Don't Yatsi with strangers.

[361] Don't Yachts with strangers?

[362] No. What was that supposed to be?

[363] Don't talk to strangers.

[364] Don't yots to strangers.

[365] Yeah.

[366] You know what I mean?

[367] No. Take it out.

[368] Do not.

[369] This is why we don't go live.

[370] Guys, this is, Steven, this is going to be the one you don't have to edit.

[371] Yeah.

[372] Watch this.

[373] Watch this.

[374] Here we go.

[375] We start practicing now.

[376] Yeah.

[377] No more edits.

[378] Yeah.

[379] Can't even imagine.

[380] Shit.

[381] Well, we do it live on live shows all the time.

[382] That is true.

[383] And we just knock those out of the park every single time.

[384] And there's a baby in the audience.

[385] Oh, my God.

[386] You guys, there was a baby in the audience at the L .A. show.

[387] It was a noise that we heard.

[388] We stopped.

[389] We looked around.

[390] Was it you or me. It was like.

[391] me, I think that was like, I think we both at the same time kind of went, is that a, is that a baby?

[392] And then just someone raised a baby up over their head, fucking Lion King style.

[393] Totally Lion King style.

[394] And it was just this cute little, oops, I just hit me me in the face.

[395] Oh, I'm sorry.

[396] Lion King style.

[397] And this baby was just staring at us.

[398] And you and I then just lost our minds trying to get the baby to smile at us in the most obnoxious way in front of 2 ,700 people.

[399] You'll hear it when the baby was.

[400] LA live?

[401] Yeah.

[402] It was quiet the rest of the time.

[403] Chilled out.

[404] Chilled out.

[405] Cool.

[406] That was a chill baby.

[407] But it was weird and crazy and creepy to say the F word in front of that.

[408] Probably, I would guess, eight -month -old baby.

[409] Yeah.

[410] Oh, guys, this is stuff that's happened to us that you weren't there for.

[411] That's a new corner called You Weren't There.

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[431] Goodbye.

[432] Hey, this is exciting.

[433] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[434] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[435] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[436] Who killed Saz?

[437] And were they really after Charles?

[438] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[439] This season, murder hits close to home.

[440] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[441] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[442] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[443] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[444] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfenakis, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[445] Only murders in the building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[446] Goodbye.

[447] Who goes first this week?

[448] Karen Kilgarif.

[449] Also, the alienist is now over, and I would just like to say.

[450] to everybody involved.

[451] Great fucking job.

[452] I watched every episode twice.

[453] That means Georgia thought it was boring.

[454] No. I can't.

[455] I'm going to binge watch it when I'm going to make myself sick and I'm going to binge watch it.

[456] Do it.

[457] A hundred percent because outfits are amazing.

[458] I want to be able to talk to you about it.

[459] God damn it.

[460] I'll talk to you.

[461] Okay.

[462] I won't stop talking to you because of this.

[463] Dakota Fanning rules it.

[464] The whole idea of it.

[465] At one point in the last episode.

[466] she walked up to tell the police chief something she's like the first person the first woman to work yeah in the new york police department i don't think it's based on a true real person although i could be wrong but she walks up and she is wearing like coolots she's it looks like it's supposed to be like a long dress but then you see that it's actually pants it's the coolest thing that's very subtle yeah and i was like that fucking costume department nailed it hard that'd be it fine costume department to work in probably so many vests so many best highest shoulders you've ever seen insane shoulders so much crazy like it was a fascinating yeah well we'll rest of us will watch it and then we'll talk to you about it and then we'll all gather up we'll meet back here live we'll do all a special it'll be great meet us live here yeah we're doing this we're going fully regist and kelly on this i swear to go I'm in.

[467] I mean, it's going to be a disaster, but I love a disaster.

[468] Listen, Betty White started her career by doing morning television in L .A., and they used to do morning television for five hours.

[469] Holy shit.

[470] So they'd go on the air, whatever, at 6 a .m., and then go off the air at, like, and whatever, plus five is.

[471] Somewhere around two, I don't know.

[472] I don't know.

[473] That's all, that's what you get with live shit.

[474] So, this is all you.

[475] Now, it's interesting that you started talking about the L .A. live show because, and hopefully, well, I made a mistake at the live show in Los Angeles.

[476] As we talked about, I was nervous.

[477] But I had planned up until right before that I was going to do the Hillside Stranglers.

[478] Yeah.

[479] And then I changed my mind because I was like, it's so awful.

[480] awful and dense and the details is very dense the details whatever um so i switched it talked about an awesome woman uh you'll hear when you do it whatever but i actually told the audience i was going to do it and change my mind why i would do that i have no that's like one of the great rules of performance you don't tell people what you're not going to fucking do and give them the opportunity to be like oh i wish you had done that you told them you weren't going to do the hillside strangler and then instead you're going to do some woman that they'd never heard of and it was just like oh wow the baby was like I'm the I'm out of here the baby was like I paid good fucking money yeah to be alive um I mean I was talking about like the first city editor of a newspaper it was great in the now I'm getting defensive uh anyway I took all my research hey and now I'm doing the hellside stranglers how come neither of us have done it it's crazy it's you know what i think these ones that this is one of those ones the cops didn't pay attention because the first three victims were sex workers and runaways it's that thing that we that happens in all of the common denominator in these stories is people making a snap judgment on the value of a woman's life right and then deciding whether or not they deserve to have their murder prosecuted.

[481] It's like so frustrating.

[482] It feels so layered and shitty.

[483] Yeah.

[484] And here we go.

[485] And that's what you tuned in for.

[486] Hi, everybody.

[487] So this, from October, 1977 to February, 1978, the city of Los Angeles and most of Southern California was paralyzed with fear.

[488] Women were being murdered.

[489] And brazenly, I wrote that, dumped in the hills of Los Angeles.

[490] Many times in full view.

[491] Now, that's a thing I didn't really understand until I started looking at pictures in researching for the show that I didn't do it at.

[492] Truly, like, it was this display.

[493] And it was so fucking creepy and crazy.

[494] And oftentimes in the later, especially in the later ones, they would be dumped in the middle of, like, a neighborhood.

[495] So, like, one of the victims, the guy walked outside of his house and sees a dead teenage girl.

[496] naked and splayed out and he went and threw a tarp over her yeah because he's like the kids are going to get come be leaving for school and come and see this so you destroy evidence but it's but it's for it's for the good of well I mean just because it's like what the fuck is going on and like this is it's so extreme and so and this was in the late 70s and we've talked about those other murders like the freeway killers remember when there was um it was either two or three freeway killers at the same time.

[497] Like just, there's so much.

[498] Yes.

[499] Yeah.

[500] And so then this started happening.

[501] Jeez.

[502] So their bodies were found.

[503] I don't know why I wrote this like synopsis paragraph.

[504] I probably spent a really long time on it too.

[505] So basically when we're talking about the Hillside Stranglers, at first, the media was calling them the Hillside Strangler because they assumed it was one murderer.

[506] Right.

[507] But secretly the cops knew it was too because they were seeing where these bodies were placed and they knew that one man couldn't be lifting carrying or placing these bodies where they ended up.

[508] But they didn't release that to the media because they knew that that would help them later on.

[509] Right.

[510] But when they did find out who it was, it was a couple of cousins named Angela Buono and Kenneth Bianchi.

[511] Two of the worst people that have ever existed.

[512] absolutely just simply that trash people it will and i remember a while ago we're starting to read the true crime book about the hillside stranglers and the details with which they described what happened to these girls and women in angelo bono's house slash upholstery uh fucking shop are so upsetting and insane and extreme i stopped reading the book it's there's there's same Yes.

[513] It's torture.

[514] It's, they tortured all of them.

[515] And they, and Angelo Bono especially, he's like the son of fucking Satan and Ann Coulter.

[516] I couldn't think of a bad woman.

[517] Bad enough.

[518] Bad enough.

[519] That works.

[520] I think it works.

[521] He was, and okay, so he's born in 19, October 5th, 1934.

[522] He was obsessed with sex from a young age.

[523] he there was problems from the beginning uh he obviously had a lifelong hatred of women um he uh had a criminal record by the time he was a teenager for a sexual assault um doing things like pulling down a girl's underwear bragging that he had raped um women when he or girls when he was 14 oh my god like he was he was fucked up um when he was 17 he married his high school sweetheart.

[524] He had his high school sweetheart.

[525] How is that?

[526] The word sweetheart.

[527] It doesn't really.

[528] How about just the woman who's the girl who stuck around him?

[529] Well, the girl that got like, it's almost like, you know when Ricky Tiki Tabby when the snake goes up and then you're hypnotized by the eyes?

[530] I think that's what it is.

[531] It's that thing where you're like, oh my God, this worthy Italian is paying so much attention to me. Oh, he just hit me in the face.

[532] Oh, wait.

[533] Now he's sorry.

[534] He wants to marry me. Yep.

[535] Yep.

[536] I would love to get married.

[537] The magazines say I should.

[538] Okay, so he basically he abandons his high school sweetheart after and her and their unborn child.

[539] Thank God for her.

[540] Once he finds out, he knocks her up.

[541] Yes, exactly.

[542] Then he marries a woman named Mary Castillo.

[543] Again, domestic violence issues.

[544] Then not until he rapes their two years.

[545] year old daughter, does she leave him?

[546] And then she goes back to him after that.

[547] What the fuck?

[548] Mm -hmm.

[549] Then at one, she eventually finds herself, he's, he handcuffs her and holds her at gunpoint, and then she finally leaves him.

[550] But it's like, that's why I couldn't read the book.

[551] I was just like, this is, who are these fucking people?

[552] What the fuck?

[553] Why doesn't a big truck ever hit that guy?

[554] Seriously.

[555] I mean, it probably has, like, I bet there's a lot of people who have died that, like, were those people that super deserved it yeah it's like the end of the lovely bones when the killer just gets that don't don't don't you're right you're right read the lovely bones though it's fucking incredible it's such a good book such an incredible book it's such a good book um and a not a bad movie oh yeah that's a good movie um okay so uh so he became a two year old it's so filthy and and like and he's just pathological depraved yeah um so of course he becomes a car upholster or 1975 what else he gonna do with this fucking stupid stupid idiot like I mean think about that too when you have to be in a pollster it's all that like punching and ripping wait doesn't Tom Sibley's hometown was also a person that remember it was the guy that made patio furniture and like the weird tools and stuff yeah that was like a way in way back episodes yeah the guy the guy killed his mother that was a crazy story but it reminded me of the same Be careful of upholsters.

[556] Sorry, the murderer, the murdering of upholstores right now are fucking.

[557] They're lying.

[558] They're fucking calling 911.

[559] This is not a, this is not a thing to call 911.

[560] No. Please.

[561] Just email Stephen.

[562] He loves to hear from you.

[563] Okay.

[564] So that's Angela Bwono.

[565] He's the older cousin.

[566] He's definitely the cult leader in this two -man cult of fucking terror.

[567] I hate his guts.

[568] He's really disgusting.

[569] okay and when he has like when he when he looks like an old -fashioned uh you know Brooklyn grocer in some of his pictures but then he grows this fucking handlebar mustache and he it's satanic he looks like the most evil person on the planet and he's like this is he the tall skinny one no he's skinny but he's smaller okay Bianchi uh kemp Bianchi the younger cousin was the taller one okay okay and he was born May 22nd 1951 he He's 17 years younger.

[570] Okay.

[571] He's definitely like a sad sack follower.

[572] Yeah.

[573] So he was abandoned by his mother who was a sex worker and an alcoholic.

[574] He gets adopted by the Bianchi family.

[575] He's troubled all his childhood, bedwetter until he was a teenager.

[576] Dude.

[577] So violent tempers, compulsive liar.

[578] And, of course, because he fell off a jungle gym when he was six.

[579] It is head.

[580] leaving him with his head injury, frontal lobe damage, and they think that had, that basically affected his personality.

[581] So that's quite the combination is you're the sadist older cousin and then the kind of like maybe could have been fine.

[582] Right.

[583] But then bad influence.

[584] Yeah, definitely was not.

[585] And it's like influence, but also just the perfect opportunity.

[586] Yeah.

[587] yeah exactly there's nothing like that thing where like someone gets an idea and you know you shouldn't do it but if they're into it you're like well then fine i mean it's that weird like look i've got this older cousin that just right loves to be the devil um okay so he was he wasn't that smart easy to influence and uh he had he'd already um had a failed marriage he tried to go to college he wanted to study psychology he drops out after a semester.

[588] No shame in that, buddy.

[589] Hey, I've been there.

[590] Been there and done it.

[591] He also was obsessed with being a cop.

[592] Ooh.

[593] Yeah.

[594] But he was rejected because of psych tests.

[595] He failed psych tests.

[596] And he had a girlfriend named Kelly Boyd.

[597] So he basically, in 1976, he, in beginning of 1976, he moves from Rochester, New York, to L .A. to go live with his older cousin, Angelo.

[598] They don't have a lot of money, so they get the idea that they're going to become pimps.

[599] And the way they're going to do that is they're going to go out and they're going to kidnap a couple of runaways and basically make them be sex workers for them.

[600] So they do that.

[601] They actually find two teenage girls, one's named Sabra Hannan and one's named Becky Spears.

[602] And they take them back to Angela's apartment and they're like, this is what you have to do now.

[603] They're being pimped by those two and Becky meets a lawyer and she tells him what's happening.

[604] She tells him the situation and he helps her escape get out of the city.

[605] And when she goes, then Sabra then has the guts to then run away herself.

[606] So they they get away.

[607] Oh my God.

[608] So they then impersonate police officers and kidnap another runaway.

[609] they put her in the girl's bedroom they set it up um to have her be their next sex worker uh and they buy a trick list from um a sex worker named debor noble so this is basically a bunch of dudes names who frequent um sex workers so that they can get a hold of people directly and basically start their own pimping empire a fucked up time man yes super gross no well now here's the thing saying they, uh, so Deborah and her friend, Yolanda, Washington, go deliver that trick list to Angelo's apartment in, uh, October of 97.

[610] But when they go to use it, they find out it's fake.

[611] Uh -oh.

[612] So they get furious, of course.

[613] They get into their car.

[614] They go try to find, um, Debra Noble and they can't find her.

[615] But then they remember as they're driving around to find her that when they were talking to Yolanda, that Yolanda told them that sometimes she, works because she was also a sex worker she works on sunset boulevard so they go down there to find her and they do find her um the next night october 18th 1977 the body of yelanda washington is found on a hillside in forest lawn cemetery what that's like right there it's yeah close by also she's naked she's posed in a grotesque lewd position she's got literature mark strangulation mark ligature marks on her wrist um strangulation marks she had been strangled with um like a rope around her neck and they determined she was raped she was a 20 year old woman oh my god um but when they call when the police arrive um one of the detectives on the case is detective frank Frank Salerno oh shit Frank Frank we've talked about Frank Salerno a lot he went on after this case so he worked this case and then when it was over and what six years later whenever when the night stalker case started he also he took what he learned and from the mistakes that they made on the Hillside Strangler case and it helped him catch the night stalker he also was assigned to the Natalie Wood drowning and there's a lot of controversy about obviously we all know about that about how the that report came through and how it was like it was found to be a drowning and nothing suspicious and all that it's really interesting he's like it's the the timing of him being a detective on LAPD is so crazy yeah is he like in the center of everything so so two weeks later November 1st 1977 around 6 in the morning a homeowner in La Cresenta this is one I was talking about um and La Cresenta is 12 miles north of Los Angeles Don't you live there?

[616] Oh, shit.

[617] Edit that up.

[618] Seems like, um, no. Stephen, do you want to say where you live?

[619] Isla, South Pasadena.

[620] Okay.

[621] Um, have you ever thought of moving to La Crescenta?

[622] I think you should move to La Crescenta.

[623] I mean, I want to hear about it, though.

[624] It's great.

[625] Tell us about it.

[626] It's, um, it's a little, uh, kind of upper middle class neighborhood.

[627] It's nestled right into those foothills.

[628] Um, the, um, are they foothills?

[629] or are they regular hills?

[630] I don't know.

[631] Okay, so two weeks later on November 1st, 1977, around 6 in the morning, a homeowner in La Cresenna walks outside of his house and sees the dead body of a 15 -year -old girl laying on the hillside across the street from his home.

[632] So he goes and covers her body with a tarp because all these kids are about to leave their house to go to school.

[633] and soon they identify the victim as 15 -year -old Judy Miller she was a runaway, sometimes sex worker in Hollywood and she also has ligature marks on her wrists her neck and her ankles and so now they know she's bound and she was murdered somewhere else and bound somewhere else and then dumped in this second location and this is Detective Salerno when he is looking at Judy's body he notices a piece of light colored fluff on her eyelid and he pulls it and saves it for evidence later and this was like I think before like really intense forensic testing but he was like this must be a clue and that kind of detective work that he did on this is the reason they eventually were able to make the case once they found them okay she was last seen alive October 31st 1977 she was talking to a man in a large two -tone sedan on sunset Boulevard.

[634] Eventually what everyone finds out is that's the car that Angelo and Ken Bianchi used to drive around in, oftentimes telling people they were undercover cops or detectives.

[635] And they would basically go drive up and down the strip and arrest girls saying they're bringing them in for solicitation.

[636] Oh my God.

[637] Handcuff them, get them into the back of the car and then kidnap them and take them to Angela's house.

[638] Ew.

[639] Yeah.

[640] So.

[641] they of course he's they're getting these people that they they're going will willingly because they think they're in trouble yeah um so uh they tell judy that she's being arrested for solicitation they take her back to the upholstery shop she's raped tortured sodomized and strangled five days later on november 697 another naked body with the same ligature marks is found on chevi chase drive near a country club in glendale oh my god Mm -hmm.

[642] I think I know that, I think I know that country club.

[643] It's on that weird turn.

[644] handcuff her tell her that she needs to be taken in for questioning and then uh the next morning her naked body is found and there's evidence of rape um but she's found on the other side of a tall guardrail and that's when police first observed they're like there's no way one guy because she based on like the size of her body they're like one person couldn't have just like lifted this over easily and that's when they were like pretty sure that it was a two -man, um, killing team.

[645] Wow.

[646] Um, so the next thing that happened, which is fascinating, um, 24 year, four year old Catherine Lori, um, who is the daughter of character actor Peter Laurie.

[647] Oh my God.

[648] Um, with the big eyes.

[649] Yeah.

[650] He's in the movie M. If you've never seen the movie M, it's really amazing and he plays a serial killer in it.

[651] It's, it's a great fucking old movie.

[652] And he's a really famous character director like there's a bunch of old like those old bugs bunny cartoons that would have remember when they would do episodes where there would be caricatures of like old famous people so it's like clark gable and lauren becal yeah peter lorry is in those cartoons he's the guy with the really big eyes that kind of is like oh he always like anyway love him so they fucking try to pull the we're fake cops show us your ID your arrested scam on katherine lorry baker but when she pulls out her ID, like she's looking for her wallet, they see a picture of her sitting on Peter Lori's lap.

[653] They see that she, her name is Catherine Lori Baker.

[654] She says, yeah, that's my dad.

[655] And they let her go because they're big fans of Peter Lori.

[656] Shut the fuck up.

[657] Yeah.

[658] And later on, she was interviewed and she told the interviewer that when she was talking to them, she was not, they were, there was nothing about them that was scary.

[659] Yeah.

[660] She said it was a casual conversation that she got no bad vibes off of them, what's so ever, which creep me out really bad when I read that.

[661] The next, on November 10th, they find another body in Franklin Canyon, north of Beverly Hills.

[662] It's, uh, um, she's identified as Jill Barkholm.

[663] She's a 19 -year -old.

[664] She had just moved to L .A. from New York City.

[665] Um, she had been a sex worker in New York City, um, but she'd moved to Hollywood.

[666] And her body showed the same ligature and strangulation marks.

[667] and she'd also been raped.

[668] And this is when police now are sure that they have a serial killer.

[669] So that was November 10th, eight days later on November 18th.

[670] The body of a high school student is found on Pico Boulevard.

[671] It's eventually identified as 17 -year -old Kathleen Robinson, who went to high school.

[672] She lived with her mom in Hollywood, and she had last been seen the day before at the beach.

[673] Then this one's so fucked.

[674] I mean, they're all terrible.

[675] But on November 20th, 1977, a 9 -year -old boy finds the bodies of two girls in a trash heap on a hillside near Dodger Stadium.

[676] Oh, my God.

[677] That's so horrible.

[678] 12 -year -old Dolly Sepeda and 14 -year -old Sonia Johnson, a week before, they had last been seen a week before getting off the bus on York Boulevard at Avenue 46, which I think is right in Eagle Rock.

[679] yeah and um they they had walked up to a two -tone sedan that had two men sitting inside of it um and the bodies when they were found had been a week later so they had decomposed but they could still tell that they had been strangled and raped on the same day that those bodies were found.

[680] Hikers on a hillside between Glendale and Eagle Rock find a naked body of a dead woman who's identified as 20 -year -old Christina Weckler.

[681] She's a quiet honor student at the Art Center College of Design.

[682] She also has ligature marks on her wrist, neck, and ankles.

[683] But unlike the other victim, the police noticed she has two puncture marks in her arm that they later find out, she had been injected with Windex while she was being tortured by them at some point.

[684] What the fuck?

[685] And they would also come to learn that Christina was Kenneth Bianchi's neighbor.

[686] Oh, no. Okay, so then three days after Christina's bodies found, a body is discovered near the Los Phyllis off ramp of the 101.

[687] so there's pictures of uh or the five the five sorry the five what the fuck um that's the i've seen that picture it's and it's like right it's right there i mean if you were driving by you would have seen it driving by yeah it's so crazy and awful um and i mean jesus it's i drive on that freeway i never am not on that free day i know i spend all my time on that freeway.

[688] Oh, my God.

[689] So the severity of the decomposition of that body prevented authorities from being able to tell if she had been raped or tortured.

[690] So, okay, so they put her out when she was in decomp already?

[691] Because someone would have seen it earlier.

[692] No, she had been missing.

[693] So, but they found the body there.

[694] So the picture, from what I remember, the picture I saw, there's like a bunch of ivy and shrubs.

[695] So I think she was underneath that, but just enough.

[696] so that just people didn't see it.

[697] Sadly, you can look up all these crime scene photos.

[698] They're very upsetting.

[699] And there's a ton of them because it was, they're like the police crime scene photos are on the internet.

[700] And it's also strange because they all look the same.

[701] It's like a bunch of men in suits standing around and a little body and little naked body kind of in the distance.

[702] It's just insane.

[703] So it turned out that this was the body of 20.

[704] 28 -year -old, Evelyn Jane King, she'd been missing since November 9th.

[705] So she had been gone for like two weeks.

[706] Oh, wow.

[707] So this is when they start the task force for the Hillside Strangler, singular.

[708] So it's 30 LAPD officers, the Sheriff's Department, and the Glendale Police Department all coming together to catch this killer.

[709] But still, the police don't reveal that they know it's two men.

[710] Yeah.

[711] Let everybody call it the Hillside Strangler.

[712] But shouldn't they tell people that so that, you know, women can be a little more, you know, aware?

[713] I bet today maybe they would have.

[714] And they, but I bet you they were trying to do, they were trying to like be prepared for when they're caught and nobody could get, they couldn't get out of it.

[715] Pick something else.

[716] I mean, yeah, maybe because, well, it's just the thing, the thing to me that's so disturbing is that thing of impersonating a policeman.

[717] I hate that.

[718] of them which is what that's actually much more believable totally for people impersonating policemen totally it's it's it kind of put it shouldn't but it puts you a little more at ease that there's two people there yes you know even if they're like for for whatever reason not even just for fake cops just right but the the fake cop thing pisses me off so much it's so unfair that and the when when someone accidentally like rear ends you quote unquote accidentally and then you have to get out of your car and yeah that those are such fun dirty tricks I hate it so much it's really awful and also it's just such a strange thing to think back then there were only pay phones so like if you had a fucking emergency if somebody rear -ended you it was raining it's the middle of the night you're in your car and then some dude walks up and like knock knock knock knock get out of the car you couldn't even go hold on a second let me just make sure the cops come here first there's nothing you could that scene in zodiac when he when he puts her fucking tire back on or whatever and then she starts driving and tire comes off i i i've watched zodiac probably 10 times i skip that scene because it's the scary it's it's the best scene of the movie whoever it is does such a great realistic job of like what'd you fucking do yeah yeah yeah okay so less than a week later so also you have to think about this too these things are just keep happening i know it's so quick it's so intense these guys are like you know um they're berserking yeah it's that i think they call it they say at that on last podcast on left, it's like they're gone into berser mode.

[719] Totally.

[720] And I have listened to this one on last podcast on left.

[721] I just, it's been a really long time since I've heard it.

[722] So I'm not copying you guys.

[723] Marcus, less than a week later, November 29th, 1977, another body of an 18 -year -old girl is found.

[724] Her name's Lauren Wagner.

[725] She was a business student.

[726] She lived with her parents in the hills in Mount Washington.

[727] She had ligature marks.

[728] on her neck, ankles and wrists.

[729] She also had burn marks on her hand.

[730] The police knew immediately she'd been tortured.

[731] And then morning after her body was found, her parents found her car parked across the street from their house with the door ajar.

[732] So they go knocking on the neighbor's doors to find out if anybody saw anything.

[733] And the woman who lived in the house where the car was parked told them that she had seen Lauren's abduction.

[734] So she says, that she saw two men, one was tall and young, the other was older and short with bushy hair, and she had heard Lauren cry out, you won't get away with this.

[735] And she didn't call the police?

[736] I guess not.

[737] Yeah.

[738] Heartbreaking.

[739] That's the other thing too where then, easy to say in retrospect, but you'd always want to be like, even if you're not sure, call the police.

[740] But what could you not be sure about?

[741] Well, because it could be teenagers.

[742] Like, this is the 70s.

[743] there's like it could be teenagers smoking pot and fighting and joking it could be a girl fighting with her boyfriend like it's just such a people were i think much more disconnected and like unsure nobody was thinking although it is pretty far into this fucking series sure that you don't just go hey since this citywide fucking panic is happening okay um but sorry i'm sure that lady is racked with that's that's a life wrecker by itself yeah um okay so i don't mean to witness shame her no please god so then December 14th 1977 so um like two weeks later basically the body of 17 year old Kimberly martin is found in a deserted parking lot near city hall downtown the body's naked shows signs of torture um the police discover Kimberly was a sex worker who had recently signed up with an escort agency so she wouldn't be getting johns off the street because of the hillside strangler oh honey and they called her agency and she was the woman dispatched just like they called the agency the the cousins called the agency and and got her and then tortured her and killed her oh man what a like oh i can only like picture her being like fuck man she's she's being careful she's like actually is aware yeah and taking measures to do something about it um they when they go to the apartment that she had been dispatched to the address it's um empty it had been broken into the final victim was found in los angeles on february 17th 1978 so it basically a two month that's it rest period oh okay two month um that's the long as it's been so far okay a helicopter pilot spots an abandoned orange dots in on the angeles crest highway and when they go police go and investigate the body of 23 year old Cindy hudspeth a part -time waitress and student is found in the trunk oh she has the ligature marks she's been raped and tortured, and then her body was stuffed in the trunk of the car, and then the car was pushed off the cliff.

[744] And she was also a neighbor of Christina Weckler, an earlier victim, and therefore a neighbor of Kent Bianchi.

[745] But nobody actually looked into that any further, and pretty soon after the Hillside Strangler Task Force was disbanded.

[746] I know.

[747] Because they thought it was slowing down or stopping.

[748] And I'm sure, financially, that's always the thing they say.

[749] around the same time February 1978 Kelly Boyd who is the girlfriend of Kenneth Bianchi the two of them have a son and by they have a son in February and by March she's like I'm leaving you I'm going to move back in with my parents up in Washington State I don't like you're going out all the time and you're never here you don't help me and so I'm leaving you and he tries to get back together with her and she basically says After three months, she's like, fine, but you have to move up here with me. Kenneth Bianchi moves to Bellingham, Washington, and basically thinks he's going to, like, put all that behind him and start a new life.

[750] He gets a job as a security guard.

[751] He earns the trust of his employers.

[752] He's trying to be a family man. And it's still, it doesn't work.

[753] So he has the murderous urges still.

[754] He basically lures on January 11th, 1979, so he's been up there for like less than a year.

[755] He lures two women, 22 -year -old Karen Mandek, and 27 -year -old Diane Wilder, to an empty house under the guise of giving them jobs as house -sitters.

[756] And he rapes and murders both of them.

[757] Oh, my God.

[758] And then he fucking goes home that night.

[759] His girlfriend, Kelly, later says, it was like it was just a regular night.

[760] he came home he asked me about the baby we watched television and we called it a night what the fuck but he was so clearly angela was the brains of the team yeah because kenneth bionke was arrested for these two murders the next day oh my god it was like they tracked yeah directly back to him immediately so when he's arrested and this is kind of the famous thing about kenneth bionkey and you can see all of these interview tapes online and it is so fucking ridiculously stupid.

[761] He tries to plead insanity, and he tries to claim that he has dissociative identity disorder and multiple personalities, basically.

[762] Oh, Jesus.

[763] And so, and that it wasn't him that committed those murders.

[764] It was his other personality.

[765] Right.

[766] So basically, he gets interviewed by a psychologist and then displays these personalities.

[767] The first personality is Ken. He's the nice guy and then eventually Steve comes out and Stephen Stephen is the murderer he puts on a big fake mustache no he already he actually already had a very Stephen like mustache shit I'm just saying something to consider Stephen so a bunch of psychologists watch these tapes a famous one named Dr. Martin Orne they watch these tapes and they're just like he's 100 % faking yeah like there's there's no question so he agreed uh he admits he's faking he agrees to plead guilty and testify against angelo in exchange for a more lenient sentence they do not give him a more lenient sentence so like you're going to do all that and then you'll get what you get the thing go fuck yourself yeah this is his confession is they bring him back to l a and thus begins a trial that lasts five years holy shit one of the longest in history wow um Hate to be on that jury, right?

[768] I mean.

[769] So, 450 witnesses, two years' worth of testimony alone.

[770] Angelo Bwono's trial ended in 1983.

[771] The presiding judge Ronald M. George said this to him.

[772] I would not have the slightest reluctance to impose the death penalty in this case, were it within my power to do so.

[773] Ironically, although these two defendants utilized almost every form of legalized execution against their victims, the defendants have escaped any form of capital punishment.

[774] But the jury brought back multiple life sentences because they didn't want them to escape by just being killed.

[775] They wanted them to go to jail and suffer.

[776] Oh, wow.

[777] Kenneth Bianchi was given two life sentences and he's still serving them out.

[778] I was going to say one of them out, both of them out, in the Washington State Penitentiary.

[779] Angelo Bono died of a heart attack in 2002.

[780] where he was, I believe they gave him nine back -to -back life sentences.

[781] And this is just an interesting tidbit.

[782] While Kenneth Bianchi was in jail in 1980, he started a relationship with a woman named Veronica Compton.

[783] She was later convicted and in prison for attempting to strangle a woman she had lured to a hotel.

[784] In an effort to convince authorities that the hillside strangler was still on the loose, Bianchi had given her semen that she smote.

[785] out of jail to plant at the scene who's seaman um to make it look like somebody else's right to make it look like it was the work of the hillside strangler oh my god yeah and so she tried to kill somebody to prove for her jail bird boyfriend what a psychopath yeah and so what happened it they got caught she was convicted of of doing that did she kill someone or did and she was in prison no no attempted attempted okay yeah no she got caught what the fuck I mean there's that I already it's that went on so long but like I have barely scratched the surface of the crazy fucking shit you definitely if you want to hear the good stuff I 100 % recommend that you listen to last podcast on the left series of the hillside stranglers guys please make good choices just make the basics of good choices in life like like don't pull over for the police no like don't let don't date a dude who's a murder in prison and then don't take a cup of semen from him and try to murder someone and plant it don't do that it don't if somebody can't make good plans that's not even at like a good three step plan like we're going to do this it's going to have this definite effect yeah like every there's so many variables in that plan alone yeah and also why would you unless you're you're just a killer in waiting.

[786] Yeah.

[787] Why would you agree to kill somebody just to try to get your boyfriend out of jail?

[788] Totally.

[789] I mean, I guess you love him so much?

[790] No, no, no, no. He's not even your high school sweetheart.

[791] He's not your real sweetheart if he's asking you to murder.

[792] He's not your sweetheart.

[793] He's disqualified from the sweetheart's club.

[794] Yeah.

[795] Yeah.

[796] Don't fall for it.

[797] Call 911.

[798] One of the sloppier presentations I've ever given.

[799] No, that was great.

[800] What are you talking about?

[801] I just, because there's so much detail in it.

[802] You can do part two.

[803] Nah.

[804] Nah, I've done what I can.

[805] Thank you.

[806] That was great.

[807] Thank you.

[808] Thank you for informing me. It's my pleasure.

[809] It's what I like to do.

[810] This is a sadly typical story that has some crazy twists in it.

[811] Okay.

[812] That I had never heard about until I read one of our hometown murders.

[813] Oh, wow.

[814] Yeah.

[815] And then I was like, well, that's fucking weird.

[816] So this is the story of the murder of Dana Bradley.

[817] Okay.

[818] So St. John's is the capital and largest city in Newfoundland, Canada.

[819] And it has the lowest homicide rate in Canada.

[820] Wow.

[821] Yeah.

[822] I was going to, first of all, I was laughing because I was like, what if you just pronounce that wrong?

[823] Newfoundland?

[824] I thought Newfoundland.

[825] What if I did, too?

[826] It's Newfoundland.

[827] I think it is.

[828] No, no, no, no. I was laughing because I don't, it's hard to mispronounce that.

[829] that.

[830] But my friend, so I have two friends, sorry, my friend Paul Greenberg, his wife Jackie, are from Canada.

[831] And Jackie used to make these jokes.

[832] She used to, she's hilarious.

[833] And she used to do impressions of, they call them Newfys.

[834] And his people from Newfoundland.

[835] And she'd always go, oh no, I burn my face and a chip fire.

[836] And apparently, that's a real thing that happens.

[837] And not just a Newfoundland, but I think around Canada.

[838] A chip fire?

[839] You make chips.

[840] You make French fries at your house after you've been drinking all night in a bar.

[841] So really drunk people go home, deep fry French fries, pass out, and light their house on fire.

[842] Oh, my God.

[843] Very common thing, apparently to Newfoundland specifically, but let's not pin that on them entirely.

[844] But that's how I'm familiar with Newfoundland.

[845] Let us know, Newfoundland.

[846] I have no point of reference, and that is now my point of reference, and I love it.

[847] That's all I have.

[848] So now it's all you have.

[849] I'm going with it.

[850] Until we hear from everybody from Leoflin.

[851] Let us know.

[852] Let us know.

[853] And you will.

[854] Okay.

[855] So here we are in St. John's.

[856] It's December 14th, 1981.

[857] 14 -year -old Dana Bradley.

[858] She's like a typical grade nine, grade nine student.

[859] She's pretty good friend, friendly, full of life.

[860] She loves this art. She's just a normal girl.

[861] she leaves her friend's home she'd been hanging out there after school and she was headed home for her mom's birthday party I know and she goes towards the bus stop which is a few minutes away from her friend's house it's on top sale road it's one of the busier roads in town and she was going to take the bus home but it's possible she either missed the bus or just didn't feel like waiting for it because so two brothers who were taking a break from selling Christmas trees on the road.

[862] They're hanging out in their car at Tim Hortons.

[863] Good old Tim Hortons.

[864] We've been there.

[865] We've been there in Canada.

[866] Yeah, that's right.

[867] I don't know if it's anywhere else, but.

[868] I think it's lots of places.

[869] Okay, great.

[870] Around, so it's around 5 .20 p .m. They see a young girl hitchhiking while they're sitting in their truck.

[871] It's about 25 or 30 feet away from the road.

[872] They didn't know her, but they remember her because they remarked on how a young she was to be hitchhiking.

[873] But even though hitchhiking is kind of a normal thing, especially a small town like this back then.

[874] According to the brothers, they saw a car pull up.

[875] It was a 73 to 76 four -door Dodge Dart or Plymouth Valiant.

[876] It was beige, tan, or faded yellow with noticeable rest marks, and a male driver offered Dana a ride.

[877] She got in and they drove off and the brothers were the last people to see Dana alive.

[878] So, because Dana had phoned home before leaving her friends, to say she was on her way home.

[879] Her parents and family were immediately like something is going on.

[880] They file a police report, but of course nothing can be done that night because that's how it always goes.

[881] But it's hours and days go by and Dana is not seen or heard from and her parents know something is wrong because she's not the type of girl who would run away.

[882] Four days later, on December 18th and 1981, in a remote wooded area off a dirt road just outside St. John's, this couple and their kids are out looking for a Christmas tree to chop down.

[883] Oh, no. I know.

[884] And the dad spots Dana's body about six miles away, six miles away from the road where she had been hitchhiking.

[885] Oh, okay.

[886] Dad sees the body, thinks it's a mannequin, of course.

[887] Yeah.

[888] It's not.

[889] So Dana's autopsy shows that she died from numerous blows to the head with a blunt object and was sexually assaulted.

[890] But a weird thing, is that Dana had been found fully dressed in her school clothes, even though she had been sexually assaulted, and had been laid out carefully burial style.

[891] So, like, placed very neatly with her arms over her chest.

[892] And also her school books had been tucked neatly under her arm.

[893] Oh, no. Like, that's, like, staging.

[894] Yeah.

[895] Like, almost lovingly placed her there, it seems, right?

[896] Mm -mm.

[897] Mm -mm.

[898] So because of the way she was laid out, police thought maybe that the killer was remorseful, that that was, you know, him trying to kind of make it better.

[899] Yeah.

[900] So they made an appeal to him through the media.

[901] The murder didn't come forward, but the brothers who had seen her get in the car did.

[902] And they also told detectives about how the driver had to reach over to the passenger side door to open the door from the inside, like almost like something was wrong with the outer door handle.

[903] So that was another point of that that car that they had.

[904] And they were also able to give police a good description and they got a police sketch.

[905] Two other witnesses came forward saying that they saw the car and a man emerged from the woods.

[906] So they saw the car by the side of the road and a man emerged from the woods the night Dana disappeared between midnight and 1 a .m. where she was later found.

[907] And they said the passenger side door of the car was open and that the dome light was illuminated in the car.

[908] And they reported that the man had no jacket despite being the middle of December and freezing.

[909] So the search for Dana's Killer became the biggest murder investigation in Newfoundland history, as well as one of the biggest in Canadian history at the time.

[910] In the first week, 800 cars were examined that matched the description of the car that had picked up Dana.

[911] And there were 250 prime suspects at one point, but nothing seemed to pan out.

[912] So finally, though, five years later in 1986, detectives, desectives?

[913] Deceptives?

[914] Detectives received an anonymous note, singed them.

[915] murderer was an ex -con with a violent past named David Somerton, and he really strongly resembled the sketch.

[916] So they bring him in, and he confesses to Dana's murder.

[917] Shit.

[918] He told him where his car that he used to abduct her was and where the murder weapon was.

[919] And he also described how he killed her, and it was consistent with the facts.

[920] So police searched for the murder weapon.

[921] It was near where Dana's body had been found.

[922] He said he had buried it.

[923] And police had thoroughly searched the area before, but they went back and this time they removed trees and they dug up earth and stuff trying to find it.

[924] But they never found anything.

[925] They also went to the local dump where he said he had left the car, but it wasn't there either.

[926] In all nearly $1 million were spent digging up and searching those two sites, but nothing surfaced.

[927] Wow.

[928] then this dude Somerton recants and says he only confessed after having been interrogated for 18 hours and then at the time of his confession he was on heavy medication and so then he denied any involvement with Dana's murder and the police didn't have the evidence to hold him any longer but he was charged with public mischief and sentenced to two years in jail for misleading the RCMP.

[929] Oh shit good old mountain mounted police So before you feel bad for him about that, though, years later, he was convicted of sexually assaulting a minor in two separate incidents.

[930] So this guy's a creep, too.

[931] Just coincidentally, not the killer, but still a really bad guy.

[932] Maybe, yeah.

[933] Fuck.

[934] Yeah.

[935] So another man was sentenced to nine months in prison in 1982 for making cruel, harassing phone calls to the family, to Dana's family.

[936] but otherwise the case kind of they didn't go cold because they wouldn't let it go cold but there was no other real clues but they kept getting tips and stuff the person who makes harassing phone calls to a murder victim's family who didn't do it is as bad as the killer you are psychotic disgusting who what the fuck yeah but people make good decisions put pickup up that phone and actually call 911 on yourself.

[937] That's the best decision you can make in that point.

[938] I am a piece of shit.

[939] What kind of terrible shit has had to happen to you for you to be the harasser of murder victims family?

[940] It's just beyond.

[941] Totally.

[942] I know that's a surprising stance, but I'm fucking standing by it.

[943] But it's like, who's worse?

[944] The murderer who then makes the calls or just some dude who fucking didn't even do it and then makes the calls.

[945] I mean, they're both bad, obviously.

[946] They're all in the shithead fraternity.

[947] Right.

[948] In my opinion.

[949] Absolutely.

[950] But it's just like, it's not a prank.

[951] No. I hate prank culture.

[952] I just fucking hate it.

[953] Pranks.

[954] Life is hard enough without someone pulling a fucking chair out from underneath you and videotaping it.

[955] Oh, God.

[956] The biggest fear.

[957] No. That one?

[958] That one.

[959] No, just being pranked.

[960] Yes.

[961] And videotaped.

[962] And videotaped.

[963] And videotaped while I'm pranked.

[964] That's not funny.

[965] It's just mean.

[966] Nothing's funny.

[967] Nothing's funny.

[968] All right.

[969] Let's cut to 2014.

[970] It's been 33 years since Dana was murdered.

[971] Oh, fuck.

[972] R -C -M -P, they're contacted by a man who uses a pseudonym to protect his identity name Robert.

[973] He tells them that he witnessed Dana's murder and the events that followed.

[974] Whoa.

[975] At the time, 33 years before, he was six years old.

[976] Uh -oh.

[977] He tells them that two years before that moment, after a lifetime of alcoholism, he quit drinking.

[978] Once he quit drinking and his mind started to heal, he said, memories resurfaced.

[979] Oh, no. He first had memories of being sexually abused by this dude who was a close and trusted friend of his family.

[980] And then the memory of that man, murdering Dana, resurfaced.

[981] Oh, my God.

[982] So Robert's story is that the man, so his name is the man, we don't.

[983] Yeah.

[984] The man, he's anonymous.

[985] Yeah.

[986] Was driving his father's car that day.

[987] His dad had a six -year -old?

[988] No, the man, the molest man. The bad man, sorry.

[989] Let's call him the bad man. Great.

[990] Okay.

[991] Robert says that the bad man was driving his father's car that day.

[992] It was in 1972 Dodge Dart.

[993] Uh -huh.

[994] And that Robert was in the backseat of the car.

[995] They were leaving McDonald's on top sale road, which is where Dana got.

[996] a ride from right when the man noticed dana hitchhiking robert confirmed that his father's car had trouble with the passenger side door and that had to be open from the inside and from the back seat robert had told him how to open it holy shit and dana got in okay this is true corroborating story of facts right here we go okay sorry this is going to get solved isn't it please so here we go Before you call 911.

[997] Okay.

[998] Nothing seemed unusual as they made their way to her house.

[999] But when she pointed out which house was hers, then the bad man kept going.

[1000] And that's when panic set in.

[1001] And Robert said it set in him, and he could tell it set in in Dana as well.

[1002] Dana tried to jump out of the car at one point.

[1003] But the bad man grabbed her and sped up and kept telling her he was going to turn around.

[1004] He was like, I'm going to turn around.

[1005] Don't worry about it.

[1006] But eventually he pulls off the road.

[1007] And Robert remembers that the bad man kept telling, Dana that he just wanted a kiss.

[1008] Ugh.

[1009] And she was crying and fighting him, and then she either scratched or pinched him or did something to hurt him because Robert remembers him kind of jumping back.

[1010] And at that moment, Dana bolts out of the car.

[1011] And then Robert remembers and how insanely quickly it was that the bad man ran after her.

[1012] Oh.

[1013] So Robert says he got out of the car at this point, too.

[1014] The six -year -old's like, what's going on?

[1015] And by this time, the bad man had caught Dana and they fought to the ground as the six -year -old's watching.

[1016] Robert said he stood near the car and watched as the murder and sexual assault took place.

[1017] He said as a six -year -old, he wasn't able to understand what was happening.

[1018] He said the murder weapon was the tire iron from the car.

[1019] And that then when it was over, the man put Dana's body in the trunk and drove towards where they were going to leave Dana's body along and along the way disposed of the tire iron he the bad man do I have to keep calling him that I mean I can follow it now okay the he the man dumped Dana over an embankment and then the and then he retrieved her body realizing it was a bad place to leave her and brought it to where was ultimately found so then then Robert says quote and he was trying to get me to leave because he said her mom and dad would be looking for her.

[1020] And he told me that she was going to go to school the next morning, trying to get him to come away.

[1021] And Robert was, like, crying and didn't want to leave her in the forest.

[1022] He was scared.

[1023] Oh, my God.

[1024] This is horrible.

[1025] I know.

[1026] And then Robert says, so the man says that we have to leave her here.

[1027] Her parents are going to come so she can go to school the next day.

[1028] And then Robert says, well, then she needs her books.

[1029] Oh, no. So the man goes up to the car, gets her books and puts them under her, arm because the six -year -old is like, we need to give her her books back.

[1030] This is the fucking saddest thing of all time.

[1031] I know.

[1032] Later that night, Robert then says the man woke him up and made him come back out with him to the side of the body to look for his jacket that he had left behind.

[1033] And he says he thinks the reason he made him come with him is in case he got pulled over or whatever.

[1034] It'd be like, well, my kids here with me. Yeah, yeah.

[1035] So they pull over to the side.

[1036] of the road, he stays in the car, and the man goes into the woods to look for his jacket, and Robert says, a car drives by, and remember a car had seen them on the side of the road?

[1037] Yep.

[1038] This couple, they, da -da -da -da -da.

[1039] So they had said that the dome light was on, the passenger side door was open, and Robert says that he remembers a car coming by late at night and says he was scared, so he pushed the seat forward and got out of the car and left the door open.

[1040] open.

[1041] So that's, explain that.

[1042] And then just every detail he is matching and explaining perfectly.

[1043] God, it's like, it's horrifying, but it's also insanely satisfying.

[1044] But wait.

[1045] Oh, fuck.

[1046] Sorry.

[1047] No. Come on.

[1048] Is anything ever really satisfying in this podcast?

[1049] Not at all.

[1050] Never.

[1051] And the people had reported that the man had no jacket when he came out of the woods when they saw him.

[1052] Right.

[1053] And, and in one of his statements, Robert said that he had taken his jacket.

[1054] off to like carry you know to carry the body because he was sweating and stuff probably so that's why he left his jacket behind da da da da da they drove off um he didn't get his jacket then they go back home robert says he holds a work light while the man washes the trunk of the car using the supplies and then he goes to bed and four days later dana's body is found so robert at this point as an adult tells police that he thinks his father's car the one that was used in the abductur is buried in on a former property that belonged to his dad and I was like what the fuck but apparently people bury their fucking cars in their backyards yeah that's a thing that's a thing okay when you live out in the country you don't want like you're you're not gonna you're don't take it anywhere why well I mean like it's just like a thing where it's like oh just go put it out there because there's tons of room yeah so like it maybe it costs money to tow yeah so whatever so the easier thing is just get out there with some manual labor and get rid of it.

[1055] I've definitely heard of that before.

[1056] So that's just, there's just cars everywhere.

[1057] I mean, it's, it's a little bit like, um, you know, if you live way out.

[1058] Yeah.

[1059] Like when you're kind of like way out in the, in the boondocks.

[1060] Yeah.

[1061] There's, it's, everything is a big pain in the ass and takes like, you know, you'd have to drive it into the junkyard.

[1062] Yeah.

[1063] For 45 minutes or whatever.

[1064] This is what happens when you grow up in suburbia.

[1065] You just don't know fucking country things.

[1066] Ask me anything about country life.

[1067] You're a horse person.

[1068] I didn't even have an opportunity.

[1069] I didn't even meet a horse.

[1070] I wasn't miserable.

[1071] I wish I was a horse person.

[1072] I was like the person who didn't have the right boots.

[1073] Like there's horse people that's like the accrued.

[1074] That's like rich people.

[1075] We were like the bareback, you know, 70s children that were like, we're probably going to get that bucked off pretty soon.

[1076] We're like the kids with arm cast and shit.

[1077] No shoes.

[1078] I love it.

[1079] Okay.

[1080] B, blah, blah, but car is buried.

[1081] Okay.

[1082] So after a six, a six, a six.

[1083] month investigation into Robert's story, the RCMP refused to try to retrieve the vehicle, and they also dismissed Robert's story completely, saying it didn't match the known facts of the case.

[1084] Oh, I disagree.

[1085] They said, quote, the vast differences between the known hard facts of the case in this person's account cannot be overstated.

[1086] So they think, hold on, let me read this to you.

[1087] Okay, but I will tell you that they did tell Robert that they found enough evidence.

[1088] evidence to corroborate his claims of sexual abuse against the bad man. He's identified as Thomas Carey, who was actually arrested and convicted of sexually abusing children in the 90s.

[1089] So he was a legit fucking pedophile.

[1090] And he served.

[1091] Yeah.

[1092] And he served time, but he's now free, which is fun.

[1093] Whoa.

[1094] In Newfoundland?

[1095] Uh, yeah, in a different city.

[1096] Ooh.

[1097] Yeah.

[1098] So, but as far as this dude murdering Dana, they believe that Robert read about the case and became a victim of false memory syndrome where a person believes the memory to be true and it colors their whole life and they believe everything.

[1099] So they think that he just read so much about it because the stuff he read, the stuff that he knew was stuff you could read about in the papers.

[1100] Oh, so he basically got super into the case and then his memories began to fill in and match what he'd read.

[1101] Right, and maybe he was an alcoholic and didn't remember doing all this stuff.

[1102] And it is true.

[1103] They talked to his dad, and his dad, like, corroborates that the man, who the guy was and that he was around and that he probably molested his kids.

[1104] Also, that in the first couple weeks of the investigation, they did come and take a look at his car because they were checking everyone's car that was similar.

[1105] So maybe he had a memory of that somehow.

[1106] So they don't believe it's true, but a huge, big group of civilians do believe it.

[1107] They have a Facebook group, and there's like 10 ,000 people on it.

[1108] Oh, amazing.

[1109] And they believe Robert's story.

[1110] and so in May 2.

[1111] I do too.

[1112] I know.

[1113] You can be one of them.

[1114] In May 2016, they collect enough money to evacuate the car.

[1115] Evacuate, excavate.

[1116] Yep.

[1117] Evacuate it from the ground.

[1118] I mean, same idea.

[1119] Yes, it is.

[1120] Just kind of going different direction.

[1121] Yeah, up and out of dirt.

[1122] Right.

[1123] Money to excavate the car.

[1124] It says excavate.

[1125] But before it was completed.

[1126] So these fucking poor people are like, We believe it.

[1127] We're going to do it justice for Dana.

[1128] Like, all they want is for Dana's murder to be solved because it's such a small town and, like, fucked everyone up so much.

[1129] Yeah.

[1130] So they're doing it.

[1131] And then while they're doing it before it's completed, the fucking RCMP is like, hey, guess what, you guys?

[1132] We retested some old DNA from the case with advanced technologies and we're able to connect the DNA to an unknown male suspect.

[1133] So it's not that fucking dude.

[1134] It's just some, it's not one of the suspects we have right now.

[1135] it's just an unknown not they have to test it against the suspects but it's not a man is not in the data in the system whoa so those poor people are like shit and then they like yeah that seems a little mean i want to believe in the royal canadian mounted police yeah we all do they have such great chins but i don't like this i know i don't like i don't like this i know How about we independently check the DNA, us, and the pod loft?

[1136] Oh, I've got my spinning, my spinning thing.

[1137] How about in the DNA law?

[1138] We make this into a DNA loft.

[1139] We seal this off.

[1140] Seal it off.

[1141] No cats allowed.

[1142] We get those, it's like hazmat suits.

[1143] We handle things.

[1144] Gloves.

[1145] Yeah.

[1146] We'll do it.

[1147] And they, so they tested the DNA against Thomas Carey, no match.

[1148] He's officially ruled out as a suspect.

[1149] Um, but there are also other cases of missing and murdered women in the area around that time that might be connected to Dana.

[1150] In fact, the chief medical examiner, Simon Avis stated that at least two serial killers have been active in the province and that one of them is due to be released from prison, but he wouldn't tell them who it was.

[1151] Oh, shit.

[1152] Hey, guess what?

[1153] That's fucked.

[1154] So they have, yeah, right.

[1155] God, tell me more, please.

[1156] I know.

[1157] Um, they still receive.

[1158] you've many new tips, but for now, all they can do is test the DNA against their hundreds of suspects in the hopes of finally finding Dana Bradley's killer.

[1159] Wow.

[1160] And that's the murder of Dana Bradley.

[1161] It's so intense.

[1162] I feel like you said the perfect detail at the beginning that hooked me in in this worst way, those brothers seeing her hitchhiking and thinking she was too little to be hitchhiking just set that tone of like she's a baby she's a baby and she yeah and that happens i know we read these stories all the time and we get like the more i do these stories and you see this repetitive the habit of calling people um prostitutes and and hookers and um basically like they're so especially in you know the hillside stranglers oh jeez i bet they it's leads with prostitute prostitute.

[1163] She's a prostitute.

[1164] It's dismissive.

[1165] And totally reductive.

[1166] And it's like, they should, it should be like, she looked like she was 12.

[1167] Yeah.

[1168] It's that.

[1169] But also like saying she was 14, you think of her a little more, a little older.

[1170] Like at 14, I had gotten into some shit, you know.

[1171] But then you look at an actual 14 year old and everyday normal 14 year old, especially back in the fucking 70s and 80s.

[1172] And they were little babies.

[1173] They're little babies.

[1174] And even, I mean, like what they look like is when I went home for the holidays, I remember sitting, my sister and I laughed about this because the Roy Hill, is Roy Hill?

[1175] Remember the guy that was running for a governor or something in the South and he was the one that had been kicked out of the mall for harassing teenage girls.

[1176] And it was that whole thing where people started talking about like, it's fine.

[1177] And, you know, down here people can, you're allowed to date 16 year olds, all that weird shit.

[1178] it.

[1179] When we went home, my sister and I were sitting at Christmas, and one of my, my two nieces were there.

[1180] One of them had just gone off to college and one, I believe, was a freshman.

[1181] And I was like, would you want Anna to be dating that got, like, would you really go online and be like, it's fine that my niece dates that old man?

[1182] Like, teenage girls are such a fetishized, kind of like, you know, sexualized and like overly matured group where it's like, oh, yeah, hot teenage girl, whatever, where it's like, they're children.

[1183] They're children and they have had no life experience yet.

[1184] They don't know how to live, you know, make good decisions yet and be on their own.

[1185] And they're not, they're not adults.

[1186] Their brains aren't fucking complete.

[1187] And they're still half children.

[1188] Yeah.

[1189] Like that's the thing to remember.

[1190] It kind of fucked me up when I, so, you know, I did a lot of shit and I was 13 and 14.

[1191] And then when I was in my 20s, I was with a guy for a long time of my boyfriend who had a daughter who was 10 when I met him.

[1192] And then so I was with him for a few years and saw her at 13 and 14.

[1193] And it kind of hit me as like seeing her and how sweet and young and innocent she was.

[1194] Yeah.

[1195] I thought I was a big adult back then.

[1196] Of course.

[1197] And it kind of put everything into perspective of what.

[1198] I had done and what had been done to me back then.

[1199] Yeah.

[1200] So, like, I mean, it's just, yeah, it's troubling.

[1201] It's heavy shit, but it's, yeah.

[1202] Yeah.

[1203] Try to be as young as you can for as long as you can.

[1204] Oh, do it.

[1205] It's not, you'll grow up inevitably.

[1206] It's going to happen.

[1207] Yeah, it's a real bummer.

[1208] Kids don't ever listen when you say stuff like that.

[1209] Do kids listen to this?

[1210] Stop listening to this.

[1211] Yeah, we've met a couple.

[1212] That's true.

[1213] Oh, little baby children, girls that.

[1214] come up?

[1215] I know.

[1216] Always with their mothers.

[1217] Always with their mothers.

[1218] Listen to your mothers.

[1219] What if one hitchhiked to one of our shows?

[1220] Oh, my God.

[1221] We would spank her.

[1222] She'd get a spanking.

[1223] Never.

[1224] You would be banned.

[1225] So, all right, here's the, I don't know, this is the end of the show where we do say nice things.

[1226] It doesn't have to have a name, right?

[1227] It doesn't have to have a name, but we've been getting suggestions in a way that is in, it's endearing.

[1228] It is.

[1229] it's also hilarious.

[1230] People are trying.

[1231] And they're trying in a way that makes me feel better that there is no fucking proper name for this.

[1232] They're trying so hard and none of them are working.

[1233] Well, you know, why?

[1234] Because people, you know, it's the thing of, should it be funny?

[1235] Should it be a pun?

[1236] Should it be sincere.

[1237] I think I took a picture of one that I liked.

[1238] Oh, do you have the list?

[1239] Stephen made a list.

[1240] He's made a list.

[1241] Here you take it.

[1242] Oh, thanks.

[1243] I get to read it.

[1244] Georgia knows I love stuff like this.

[1245] Okay, I'm going to read it and you can tell me. You just say yes or no at the top of your head.

[1246] Kathy suggested happy talk.

[1247] Okay.

[1248] Megan suggested rejuvenation station.

[1249] Oh, never mind.

[1250] It's making of my vagina immediately.

[1251] Isn't that what you get done to feed up in the stirrups?

[1252] Yeah, isn't that plastic surgery?

[1253] Vaginal rejuvenation.

[1254] All right.

[1255] That's my favorite comedy line that I ever wrote.

[1256] or not ever, but like, it was one of the earliest ones when Zach Alphenack had his talk show, Late World was Zach on VH1.

[1257] Oh, yeah.

[1258] I totally forgot about that.

[1259] Right?

[1260] It was my second staff writing job.

[1261] And Sarah Silverman, they did a tape piece where Sarah went to a vaginal plastic surgeon to interview him.

[1262] And I wrote it and one of the, I mean, of course she rifted a ton of shit of herself, of course.

[1263] But one of the things I wrote for her to say that she delivered so perfectly and it was my favorite thing is after a day of rejuvenating vaginas, how can you believe in love?

[1264] And it's the way she did it.

[1265] That wording probably isn't right on, but the way she did it, she had this big smile on it.

[1266] And the guy just stares at her, like, he has no idea what she's talking about.

[1267] That's my brag.

[1268] I can figure out any way to talk about myself.

[1269] Have you noticed that?

[1270] Yeah, but there are good stories at least.

[1271] Oh, God.

[1272] And I'm so sick of my own voice.

[1273] Nick suggested cheerful chasers No, sorry, Nick.

[1274] Nick.

[1275] And I see.

[1276] Anna and Jerry suggested my favorite moment.

[1277] Okay, that's cute.

[1278] I mean, that's smart.

[1279] They're marketing experts probably.

[1280] Because they're like, keep it on brand.

[1281] Yeah, but I don't want to have to say that every week.

[1282] Yeah.

[1283] Elizabeth said my favorite party vibes.

[1284] And she had a you in it, so she's from somewhere else.

[1285] Nice.

[1286] Canada or England.

[1287] Molly said put a pin in it.

[1288] I like it.

[1289] Hill a monster said post -mortem positivity.

[1290] That's good.

[1291] It just takes so long to say.

[1292] It does.

[1293] Andrea said, kicks and kudos.

[1294] Andrea's going for it.

[1295] Andrea's a mom.

[1296] Andrea does some high kicks.

[1297] Jenny with an eye said, post -pod, pick me up.

[1298] And then to go along with that alliteration, Tara says, positivity pocket.

[1299] See, it's impossible.

[1300] It's hilarious.

[1301] Colette suggested my current jam.

[1302] Okay.

[1303] I don't mind it.

[1304] Sarah says we should call it fucking hooray.

[1305] I think that's it.

[1306] I mean, that's, I think Stephen put that at the end because he knew that we would like it the best.

[1307] Can you make up a jingle, Karen?

[1308] Am I right for, oh, wow, it's fucking hooray.

[1309] There.

[1310] Yes, you can.

[1311] It just came out of me. That was beautiful.

[1312] That was my favorite.

[1313] Was it?

[1314] Yeah.

[1315] That was my favorite one.

[1316] Fucking hoor.

[1317] I mean that's perfect it's pretty nailed it all right fucking hooray it is who did it what's her name again that was sarah with an h sarah with an h congratulations i mean you win but megan rejuvenation station you're right there the closest of seconds um but again the vagina part it's not your problem it's not your fault if this was a if this was purely a feminism podcast they would win what is your fucking hooray want me to go first yeah do you have one um my is that someone suggested I start reading this again, and I'm so glad I did because it's so positive.

[1318] It's tiny beautiful things.

[1319] It's the Dear Sugar book by Cheryl Strad, who wrote Wild.

[1320] She was this anonymous advice columnist for years, and the book is like a, what's it called, compilation of like some of her best, but it tells the story.

[1321] It's so beautiful.

[1322] She's so incredible.

[1323] The way she talks to people who are going through this traumatic crazy shit is so real and human.

[1324] And even if it's problems that you've never gone through, which most of them are, but you can relate to in some way.

[1325] It's really great advice and just a really great life lesson.

[1326] I can't recommend it enough.

[1327] Tiny Beautiful Things.

[1328] So Tiny Beautiful Things is another advice book?

[1329] Yeah.

[1330] It's the Dear Sugar book.

[1331] Oh, okay.

[1332] Yeah.

[1333] Is it red?

[1334] It's orange.

[1335] Yeah.

[1336] Orange.

[1337] Is that it?

[1338] Do you have it?

[1339] Yes.

[1340] I didn't realize that was the title.

[1341] Yeah.

[1342] It's called Tiny Beautiful Things.

[1343] It's the Dear Sugar book by Cheryl Stride.

[1344] I've also read it.

[1345] It's amazing.

[1346] It's really smart.

[1347] It's like advice in that way.

[1348] Like I used to like when I used to read L and I'd always read Dear E Gene.

[1349] Yeah.

[1350] And like sometimes her advice was great and really direct and, you know, badass.

[1351] But then also sometimes it was like, I don't, I'm not with this.

[1352] Yeah.

[1353] Like this take on life.

[1354] Because everybody's different.

[1355] Sure.

[1356] whatever i'm with that shit that that dear sugar well she does what you do which is takes every question as a chance to talk about herself in her life but then somehow fucking turns it into this incredible uh in this incredible way to relate to the person and then and then also empathize with them so incredibly hard it's just it's obviously this the person who wrote it dear sugar is just so she's so uh she's so human and so empathetic and thoughtful it's really a beautiful book and you'll and you'll you'll grow and heal from it too yourself also you yeah yeah that's a good one that's my hooray fucking hooray uh fucking hooray and that works that title really works um i mine is a little uh weird but i'm finding uh i got this book on tape i just haven't been feeling good about myself in a just physically way um um um and i just physically way um And just haven't been active and I know that like moving around immediately makes me feel better.

[1357] And the less I do it, the less I want to do it.

[1358] Totally.

[1359] Totally.

[1360] And it's just, you know, I've been complaining to you privately about this for quite some time.

[1361] It's our life.

[1362] So there is, I just started looking randomly.

[1363] It was like, what should I do?

[1364] I need to do something right now.

[1365] And I'm like, I'll listen to a podcast.

[1366] So first I found a podcast called Half Size Me, which is hosted by a woman who is doing that thing where she's standing in one leg of the pants she used to wear and she is it i i don't have the steven will you find her name for me just so i can say it but it's such a great podcast she talks to people who um basically listen to the podcast and lost weight and they just talk about how they did it what they did like what's effective yeah and she is really positive really like i just love it there's so many ways to do that kind of talking incorrectly yeah fitness or like you know what you need to do is you just dig in or whatever where it's like but if you don't understand the feeling of having 40 60 80 extra pounds on your body you just don't know like there are people that give advice that have no idea what they're fucking talking about in that specific way so it's very cool it's a woman who did it and then it's just talking to other people about how they did it that's incredible because it's different for every single person it's different for everybody and it's really helpful to just hear real people who are like yeah yeah that's what I was like too when I did this.

[1367] Well, it's harder to say, it's harder to be like, I can't do that when someone's like, but I did it.

[1368] Right?

[1369] Right?

[1370] Exactly.

[1371] Because when you're sitting at home alone, you're like, there's just no way and forget it.

[1372] It's the easiest thing to do.

[1373] But when you're listening to people who are like, yeah, I thought it was impossible, but here's what, here's what inspired me this day, this day, this day.

[1374] How about then your, um, your goal is to be on that podcast.

[1375] Exactly.

[1376] No, it really is because, oh, so wait, her name is Heather Robertson.

[1377] Thanks, Stephen.

[1378] Cool.

[1379] that's Heather Robertson half -sized me but but the actually so that's how I found this book okay because she recommends that everybody that's going to like get into that whole thing read this book first okay the book is called the diet fix and it's by a doctor named yoni friedhoff and he is I think I believe he's Canadian it's basically the book you read when you have read every fucking diet book you've tried every diet and you now don't know what to do because you have too much information and he calls people traumatized dieters and he's the idea is you have to stop dieting you have to stop restricting you have to stop being mean to yourself and beating yourself up and you have to start looking at all all of it like how are you going to do it in the positive way radical self acceptance we were being sarcastic but that's totally what it is and it just like I am the quickest at starting to listen to something and being like bullshit and you're full of bullshit and goodbye and well you know what you know what opening yourself up to and letting and trying it is just vulnerability because I'm also reading fucking daring greatly again Brene Brown Brne Brown this is the self -help corner I mean there's here's a thing when you actually find I've read a million self -help books so like that's why when I read Brne Brown's books I was like holy shit this is real because it isn't the usual you know the patterns and you know that talk and you know the like you've just got to believe in yourself whatever it's like that's not going to help me get off the couch what is like how do I get inspired right and this the diet fix book un unclenched something in my brain in the best way that just kind of made me go like yeah well I'll just make little changes and just start awesome little changes that's that's a big part of it right like because you're always like I'm going to stop doing this entire life thing.

[1380] I mean, how many times on the road was I like just, I would just turn to Georgia and be like, I'm just not going to eat macaroni and cheese at 11 o 'clock anymore.

[1381] And then Vince would be like, so we got to order dinner for after the show.

[1382] And I'd be like, I'll go ahead and get some mac and cheese.

[1383] Like, is that thing of when, I don't know, things are stressful, things are busy.

[1384] And you just want your guaranteed comfort.

[1385] Comfort.

[1386] Yeah.

[1387] You just, it's like if you don't know.

[1388] where else to get it then you just go to the same well every time and then that's how like and he talks about this in that diet fix book where you if dieting worked everybody would be thin totally and you beat yourself up for not being able to do a thing that no one can do yeah because even like i've gone on things where i don't eat sugar for two years you can do that but it you can't sustain it yeah because if you're not living happily then you can't continue to live that way right And so the goal is to figure out how to live happily without abusing yourself with food.

[1389] Yeah.

[1390] That's all.

[1391] So it's, I mean, I hate to talk about stuff like this.

[1392] I will say this.

[1393] I am, you'd be exactly the way you want to be.

[1394] Just feel good.

[1395] Right.

[1396] I'm talking about this right now because I don't.

[1397] Yeah.

[1398] It's not about you're at the wrong size.

[1399] It's I don't feel good in my body right now.

[1400] Interior.

[1401] Being uncomfortable.

[1402] Yeah.

[1403] be uncomfortable makes me mad at myself and then I'm mean to myself yeah so like the idea that I'm listening to a thing that's going yeah the whole it's not figure out a new way to be mean you're mean to yourself yeah it's going no stop all clear all the meanness out yeah and start over and here's how you do it what's it called again the book the diet fix by yoni friedhoff um and that the only me a podcast, which is a delight to listen to.

[1404] It's like two ladies laughing about the way it's been and then the way it is now.

[1405] I want to listen.

[1406] I love it.

[1407] It's very cool.

[1408] That's awesome.

[1409] But also do what you want.

[1410] Well, that was fucking hooray.

[1411] Thanks, Sarah.

[1412] Right?

[1413] Now I really feel like saying fucking hooray.

[1414] Fucking hooray.

[1415] Yeah.

[1416] Cool.

[1417] Thanks for listening, you guys.

[1418] You know, you're the best.

[1419] We love you.

[1420] I love you.

[1421] And stay sexy.

[1422] And don't get murdered.

[1423] Bye.

[1424] Hi, Elvis, you want cookie?

[1425] That sounded like a gold door opening.

[1426] Hey, are you okay?

[1427] Oh, okay.

[1428] Okay, fine.