72 - Steven It Out

[0] This is exactly right.

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[16] Sarah Audio Welcome.

[17] To my favorite murder.

[18] That's Karen Kilgarev.

[19] That's Georgia Hartstock.

[20] And here we are.

[21] Looking at Stephen Ray Morris as if to say, Hey.

[22] How's up?

[23] With you.

[24] With you.

[25] And that's what the podcast is all about.

[26] Two people trying to talk at the same time.

[27] Same thing.

[28] The same words thing.

[29] You have can't.

[30] I can't.

[31] I can't either.

[32] Either.

[33] the finger does help either we're bad at this podcast i'm bad at improv i'm bad at doing what other people want we were bad at this podcast is because we couldn't say the same things at the exact same time yeah that's what makes you bad at podcast yeah and every article they're like they're okay but they can't say the same word of the same so time oh shit time see another if you listen to episode set what is the 70 what is this stephen 72 i know i know Stephen I know.

[34] How do you know that?

[35] Because I'm in the email.

[36] I'm the info email.

[37] I don't check that.

[38] I know.

[39] I get over.

[40] It's funny how you and I both just get overwhelmed at different things.

[41] And so we do the thing that we're not overwhelmed by and the other person just like doesn't fucking pay attention to it.

[42] That's right.

[43] Like you are, you're the description person and the naming of the podcast person and who gets back on people are like, hey, do you want this podcast to be posted?

[44] Yeah.

[45] And I'm like, no, I can't do it.

[46] I don't want to be in this.

[47] And then.

[48] you're the merch person you're the magazine person what magazine you get us all the magazine subscriptions that we want what better homes and gardens sunset popular mechanics if that were my job for this podcast so i would be sad you would be sad to get magazines here i got you a copy of from four months ago of psychology today it's right here thank you for four months ago i kind of have been sleeping on the job that's so nice of you well i guess i'll read it now.

[49] Would you?

[50] Okay, let's, let's, Stephen, can you edit this out?

[51] Okay, and we're back.

[52] And, welcome.

[53] Karen, how is psychology today?

[54] To my, oh, um, oh, I thought you meant we're back starting over.

[55] Oh, hell no. We never start over.

[56] God, that's a good magazine.

[57] Just filled with advice.

[58] It's actually a really fucking good magazine.

[59] It's good.

[60] You're like, don't be sarcastic about psychology today, even for one moment.

[61] Don't talk to me that way.

[62] How dare you talk to my magazine that way?

[63] I got my mom a subscription that one year being like listen can we get your fucking shit together how about you read this subtlety did she do it yeah she loved it i don't think she understood i don't think she is um self -aware enough to understand the messaging that it was pointed sure although she did text me we got in a fight like a week ago and i was pissed off at her and i tweeted something like the hardest job in the world is raising your mother thinking that knowing that she doesn't read twitter right she's on Twitter, my dad wrote back, you're telling me. And I was like, you know.

[64] Marty.

[65] But then when we were making up, like a couple days later, she wrote, and I know how hard it is to raise your mother.

[66] And I was like, who's the leak?

[67] Do you think Marty threw it in her face?

[68] No, I think she saw it.

[69] You think she checks now?

[70] Wow.

[71] Yeah.

[72] But I can't imagine she listens this podcast.

[73] Well, if she does, hey Janet.

[74] Hey, Janet.

[75] What's up, girl?

[76] Hi, best friend.

[77] remember when we partied in Chicago to get me in a good time.

[78] Where were we?

[79] Chicago.

[80] No, where were we were?

[81] Chicago.

[82] It was Christmas.

[83] Oh, my God.

[84] I'm sure we've talked about this on this podcast, but one of my favorite things that's ever happened to me is the night before our show, we got in.

[85] In Chicago.

[86] In Chicago, 2016, December, Christmas time.

[87] Got it.

[88] I'm there.

[89] My sister, Adrian and Audrey, the four of us, went out to try to eat something, but it was kind of late at night.

[90] So nothing around.

[91] And it was fucking freezing.

[92] It was like 50 degrees.

[93] It was windy.

[94] So everyone shut up from everywhere else.

[95] Yeah, that's right.

[96] Oh, 50.

[97] That's nothing.

[98] I'm from Alaska.

[99] We don't care.

[100] No. There was wind everywhere.

[101] Listen.

[102] I'm on the North Pole.

[103] That's nothing.

[104] It's a narwhal.

[105] When the other guy's like, what a dick.

[106] The other narwhal.

[107] Can we get a cartoon?

[108] tune of a narwhal saying that and another one going like what a dick shut up you dick um bye mr narwhal i'm completely ripping that off from elf okay but oh i didn't know that yeah state your sources we go into a wald greens and we all buy hats that's how cold it is we're california girls we had no idea our layers weren't going to work so we start walking just trying to find anywhere to eat um and we find we walk and we walk and it's freezing and we're like basically fighting the elements and finally we're on a corner and I turned to this girl that's standing next to us on the corner and I was like hey do you know any like even a diner anywhere at a restaurant that's open around here and this girl she was like in her probably mid 20s maybe even a little older um you know I'm like maybe a little older no I just for for this to come out of her mouth she goes um I don't know but you know what you can do um you could Google it but But she wasn't being sarcastic.

[109] Like that's something my sister would say to me with so dripping with sarcasm where I'd be like, oh, you really got me. But this girl thought she was giving us great advice.

[110] She was like, oh, oh, but you know what you could do?

[111] You could Google it.

[112] I was like, oh, my God, you're so right.

[113] Have you ever, have you ever said that to someone in a sarcastic way where it's like, someone will be like, you're like, here's my address to get to my house.

[114] And like, what's the cross street?

[115] And then you're like, I don't know, let me Google it.

[116] And then you Google it and tell them.

[117] No, have you never done that?

[118] That specific exchange.

[119] It's mean.

[120] No. Never mind.

[121] You're saying reverse it and be sarcastic.

[122] I get you.

[123] Yes.

[124] I've never done it.

[125] I'm positive.

[126] Well, I mean, like that's just saying, have you been a bitch in this certain way?

[127] Absolutely.

[128] There's a way to be a bitch.

[129] Have you done it?

[130] Uh -huh.

[131] Yeah.

[132] That was, you sang a -huh to me just now.

[133] Yeah.

[134] Even that was bitchy.

[135] Anywhere on that bitch color wheel, I've been there times 20.

[136] I mean, it's a beautiful.

[137] Rainbow.

[138] I like it.

[139] There's subtleties, their shades.

[140] Yeah.

[141] I mean, oftentimes it's necessary, like the way I answered the girl who sincerely told me to Google a restaurant.

[142] And I was like, thank you.

[143] In a way where she's like, you're welcome.

[144] And walked away thinking she'd made a new friend where I was like, I just tried to stab you with my words.

[145] But okay, her brain was frozen.

[146] It was really cold.

[147] Her brain was frozen.

[148] She was probably shit face.

[149] And just really good at covering it up.

[150] Oh.

[151] Do you have any actual business?

[152] no i met a couple murderinos at the ryan adam show over the weekend that were really nice cool cool that weren't like that were really cool shook hands that's business people yeah they're like nice thank you i'm in it was nice did you meet the executive of gm yeah we shook hand and i strong firm handshake had a glass of really expensive whiskey nice i don't know what i would say the name of it if i knew it an expensive glass of whiskey was called i don't know mcclellan mc it's hundred and eight micmoneys micmoneys um business She throw a hundred nade on there.

[153] Business, let's see.

[154] My favorite murder, no, my favorite murder shirts.

[155] Hats are on sale until Monday the 12th.

[156] Hat sale.

[157] I don't know.

[158] It's summer.

[159] Do you like a hat?

[160] She likes fucking not getting skin cancer on your face?

[161] You know what I love?

[162] Get a hat.

[163] Oh, you weren't asking me. But I do love not getting skin cancer, which does run in my family.

[164] I also, lately, have a landing my hair gets so greasy over the weekends.

[165] Throw on a hat.

[166] You can go anywhere.

[167] really but like go to the grocery store drive around i'm not there yet can't do it i'm really slowly working my way into hats maybe someone told me i look ugly in them once i don't know probably something something happened and i didn't mean it like that i didn't i know you did it that's why i didn't say it but it would have been really funny i was like why they laughing they probably didn't say that we've all been wanting to see that's the shade of the bitch scale i don't even realize i'm on it That's the gray part.

[168] The, like, red part is you meaning.

[169] I did not mean it like that.

[170] Probably.

[171] Well, I meant like that still is affecting you.

[172] Were they wrong?

[173] Can you argue it?

[174] No, I mean it like, things like that, I feel like that's my sister.

[175] My sister's voice gets into my head because I can't wear a hat with, like, I definitely can't wear a hat with earrings.

[176] Because immediately I'm like, oh, hey.

[177] left eye Lopez.

[178] Like, it's too many accessories on your head.

[179] Yeah.

[180] But I have to wear glasses.

[181] Can you wear a fake beard in the head?

[182] Nope.

[183] That counts.

[184] It's an accessory.

[185] Fuck.

[186] Eye patch.

[187] I'll try it.

[188] Because I think that you look like a Hollywood star trying to cover her identity when you wear a hat.

[189] Right.

[190] The grocery store.

[191] What's bad about that?

[192] Nothing.

[193] Get into it.

[194] Like, live your life.

[195] And don't.

[196] Just don't have to wash your hair.

[197] Or get you in cancer.

[198] Right.

[199] Always good.

[200] Have you considered a different, are you thinking baseball hat right now i'm specifically yeah yes trying i just can't yet i have a picture of you wearing a hat oh way over to the side you're trying to calm me out well no i'm i'm trying to remember were we in like a thrift store or were you just doing it for the sun i'll wear one in the actual sun when i'm sweating and don't give a shit what i look like okay okay this is my favorite son up.

[201] Kay, I wasn't calling you ugly.

[202] See you later.

[203] Do you have any business?

[204] Yes.

[205] There was a woman in Australia, a murderina.

[206] Oh, yeah.

[207] Who went on to a game show no Americans ever heard of, which is, makes this difficult because this doesn't stick.

[208] If somebody had texted us and said a murderina was on jeopardy.

[209] Right?

[210] We'd all have shot our pants and freaked out.

[211] But everyone in Australia is like shutting their pants and freaking out.

[212] And they're like, a murder.

[213] Rotarino is on the chase.

[214] That's my accent.

[215] What's it called the chase?

[216] The chase.

[217] It's called the chase, and I have it right here.

[218] What's her name again?

[219] Natalie Krug.

[220] Okay, this is Natalie Krug.

[221] She's a contestant on the chase.

[222] Natalie Krug, listen, Murderingos.

[223] If you want to get above someone, beat this.

[224] I don't know.

[225] I'm kidding.

[226] I don't care.

[227] Murder.

[228] What?

[229] No, we don't.

[230] Oh, it was a different show.

[231] That is so fucking surreal.

[232] I can't believe it.

[233] Don't get murdered.

[234] How'd she say?

[235] Don't get madded.

[236] No. No. Then everyone else.

[237] Stay sexy.

[238] Don't get married.

[239] It's so cool.

[240] That's amazing.

[241] It's so wild.

[242] Thank you so much.

[243] Natalie?

[244] The fuck I called her Stephanie.

[245] Did you?

[246] Yeah.

[247] I'll edit it out.

[248] Thanks.

[249] I'm like, it's so crazy.

[250] We love our fans, Stephanie.

[251] Stephanie, you mean the world to me. Stephanie, no one's not for memory.

[252] Can you give me a clean Natalie?

[253] and I can just punch it in.

[254] Natalie.

[255] Do Pee -Herman from aging, Mr. Herman.

[256] Mr. Herman.

[257] Oh, do the thing.

[258] Do the, uh, do the thing I, oh, yeah.

[259] Whenever there's, uh, someone talks about corn, I always say, can you say Mays?

[260] And then Karen fucking blows it up by saying, this is Paco and his wife are nays.

[261] That one?

[262] Yeah.

[263] Peewey's Big Adventure.

[264] There's no basement in the Alamo.

[265] Either one, but the first one is better because it's like, it's really obscure.

[266] You know what I mean?

[267] Like the first time I said it, we are, yes, we were quoting Peewee's Big Adventure.

[268] And the first time I did it, the delight in Georgia's face that I also knew a line from Pewey's Big Adventure to the, like, to know where it went in the scene was you were thrilled.

[269] But everyone, like everyone knows the line I was saying.

[270] Everyone knows a thing in the alamo.

[271] But then you took this obscure line and said it perfectly to something I've been saying forever, which is, can you, is it, can you say maize?

[272] And then I was just like, wee!

[273] Like I was like, I was being pushed in a like a shopping cart all of a sudden.

[274] You know, just like, this is so cool.

[275] Well, and also I think I explained this to you, but my friend Jennifer Gearing and I, who is my lifelong friend, I haven't seen her forever because she lives in D .C. I'm sure she doesn't listen to this, but I, Jen, I love you.

[276] She does.

[277] But we grew up together.

[278] Our families were friends.

[279] Our parents would hang out together and, like, get together.

[280] And then Jennifer and I were just the two youngest.

[281] So we would pair off and go have fun.

[282] But she's the greatest.

[283] Like, we saw Raiders Lost Ark in the theater together.

[284] Like, all of my, all of those major moments of childhood I had with Jennifer Gearing.

[285] And of course, we saw Peewey's Big Adventure in the theater together.

[286] And so we just spoke in movie quotes constantly.

[287] So we would just, when we were bored or there was nothing else happening, kids, this is before social media.

[288] What you did was just say movie quotes back and forth to each other like lunatics.

[289] That's how my brother and I have communicated.

[290] Like, we hated each other and then the Simpsons started happening and married with children.

[291] And then, like, since then he and I've never had a conversation that isn't a quote from one of those two.

[292] Like we just, yeah, yeah, we just can't do that.

[293] We have like a secret handshake.

[294] Yeah.

[295] that's from group family therapy though but we have this oh that's real i thought you meant the simpsons quotes were the secret handshake is from when we had to go to family therapy wow yeah wow it actually yeah okay it was good it was great because we made up a secret a secret handshake and then we hated the therapist together and everything was fine that's good yeah and then you have like comedy bonded you yeah that's what we still do it good sweet so good what were we talking about We're talking about Natalie.

[296] Murder.

[297] Murder.

[298] Stay sexy, don't get murdered.

[299] There it is.

[300] There was something else, I'm sure.

[301] Stephen.

[302] Well, I was like saying, speaking of Australia.

[303] Oh, yeah.

[304] You guys are going to Australia.

[305] We're going to Australia.

[306] We're going to Zealand.

[307] Thank you, Stephen.

[308] We should always do announcements.

[309] Pretend we never remember them and Stephen always has to tell us that way.

[310] Jump in.

[311] No, I mean, I have the dates in front of me. Do it.

[312] You do it, Stephen.

[313] But do it, like, really build it up.

[314] and try to sound like you work on the radio.

[315] Try to sound like a K -Rock DJ.

[316] Can we get some professionalism, Steven?

[317] Stephen, please.

[318] Monday, Monday.

[319] No, okay.

[320] Yes, yes.

[321] Monster truck rally.

[322] Oh, wait.

[323] Rodney, like, Monday, on the Rock.

[324] Yes.

[325] Sunday, September 4th, Brisbane, Australia.

[326] I can't do that.

[327] No, it's so good.

[328] It's too late.

[329] Now do Jed the Fish.

[330] Oh, my God.

[331] Oh, shit.

[332] What is Jed the Fish?

[333] Like, right?

[334] Like, Fairly, Squared.

[335] And he talked like he talked like he had a weird stomach issue.

[336] Say it like everyone's favorite on radio personality, Stephen Ray Morris.

[337] Oh, yes.

[338] Wednesday.

[339] That's Stephen really tossed.

[340] Oh, God.

[341] That's my real voice.

[342] Where was I?

[343] Oh, Monday, September 4th in Brisbane, Australia at the Tivoli.

[344] Uh -oh.

[345] The Tivoli?

[346] Yeah, the Tivoli.

[347] Thank you.

[348] No, no. Wednesday.

[349] Yeah, you did it.

[350] That was it.

[351] Everybody's like, can you just tell us with a fucking show?

[352] September 6th in Auckland, New Zealand, at the Bruce Mason Center.

[353] Bruce Mason Center.

[354] The Bruce Mason Center.

[355] Friday, September 8th in Melbourne.

[356] Yes.

[357] At the comedy theater.

[358] Just the comedy theater?

[359] It's just the.

[360] Okay.

[361] The big one?

[362] And then Monday, September 11th in Sydney at the Enmore Theater.

[363] At the opera house.

[364] The opera?

[365] No. Good night.

[366] Yeah.

[367] And the pre -sales going on.

[368] on right now, and then General On Sale is, thank you, is Tuesday, June 13th.

[369] I just got, honestly, that was sincere excitement, because I'm like, oh, that's a legit Australian.

[370] Dude.

[371] Thank you.

[372] My favoritemerder .com slash live is where you get all this shit, right?

[373] Yeah.

[374] There's links and such.

[375] My favorite murder .com slash live.

[376] Yeah.

[377] Oh, my God.

[378] We're going to one three.

[379] We're coming for you, Australia.

[380] Please get ready.

[381] Coming for you.

[382] I'm so excited.

[383] So excited.

[384] And New Zealand.

[385] It's going to be bananas.

[386] Elvis and Mimi are going to come.

[387] No. We're going to bring these big crates.

[388] We're going to bring, and then Stephen's going to be their nanny, their overseas nanny.

[389] He's going to be taking them.

[390] They get their own adjoining suite.

[391] Yeah, Stephen has to ride with them and where the pets go on the plane, though, because I'm just worried about leaving them alone.

[392] Cargo, yeah.

[393] You have to put Stephen in a crate and cargo.

[394] Yeah, otherwise the cats will be scared.

[395] He's like crying, laughing.

[396] This is his dream comes true.

[397] He's so excited.

[398] He's like, that's the birthday I want.

[399] I want my bed.

[400] Oh, hey, technically, it's my birthday today.

[401] Georgia.

[402] Could not tell Thursday.

[403] But when people hear it, yeah.

[404] Happy birthday to you.

[405] You guys are good podcasters.

[406] Happy birthday.

[407] No, thank you.

[408] Oh, Elvis is leaving.

[409] Elvis, what?

[410] That was my best version.

[411] Thank you guys.

[412] So rude.

[413] Happy birthday.

[414] What's your, what's your birthday resolution for the coming year for you?

[415] as you're in this new age Live it Love it Yes Learn it Right Learn to levitate Fuck, you're on fire There it is What if I did all of those things That would be such a waste for a podcast I'll be like you guys I swear to God she's levitating right now You're right I promise Learn to What What's something you could see on a podcast Here in a podcast.

[416] Talk about your feelings.

[417] Lebanon.

[418] I'm going to have a Lebanon podcast.

[419] Oh, yes.

[420] You should start talking about your Lebanon podcast more.

[421] It's called Throw a Rock at it.

[422] Is that racist?

[423] I think that might be problematic in some way.

[424] Stephen.

[425] I mean, I didn't start that war.

[426] Guys.

[427] So that's all our business, right?

[428] We've made an ounce.

[429] It's all our business and then some.

[430] And then some, actually.

[431] And it was none of your business.

[432] This was the none of your business corner.

[433] So should we talk about murder?

[434] Are there any shows we didn't watch?

[435] Oh, I'll tell you what.

[436] Tell me what.

[437] I have done quite a bit of binge watching as my hair was getting greasy.

[438] And I had to go to the store with my split P. Anderson's hat on.

[439] Hell yeah, girl.

[440] Thanks.

[441] I love that little thanks.

[442] That's my little fake thanks.

[443] Don't have our pillows.

[444] I have all of that.

[445] I have four pillows and you have one.

[446] Yeah, thanks.

[447] Thanks.

[448] Wait, was I telling you?

[449] Oh, okay, so I was digging deep on Netflix because, I mean, God bless all of you for still making suggestions and tweeting suggestions at me. But there's people who are tweeting things like, have you seen Luther?

[450] The girl that tweeted at me, have you seen Luther?

[451] girl yes like yes i've seen fucking luther i haven't you've never seen luther uh -uh oh shit i've seen a lot of stuff i really do you care for edris elba at all yes of course i care for him deeply okay then you need to get into that it's an amazing amazing thing well so i was trying to go a little more obscure and there's there is a show called murder book that i have oh i like that one it's so good yeah it's the one guy right that's on it yeah no it's not a murder book is what they call a thing about the case exactly right yes so it's almost kind of a cold case thing but they just call it something different yeah because it ends up being about cold cases yeah they go back to the murder book i love the opening sequence of that isn't it creepy yes you know why i think it's creepy because i think it's models it's all those files yeah if you're listening please watch the show it's very well done and it tells real good stories of true crimes cold cases whatever but it's just produced really well and they have a lot of the people who really worked the case it reminds me of the detective one that we were talking about on Netflix but real detectives didn't weren't you watching one about the occult that I tried to watch for three minutes and couldn't get into it you know why okay that's a cult crimes yeah and I think it's because it's produced I think a French company produces it because they have a lot of French talking heads that then are dubbed over so you see their mouths moving but But then there's just a voice coming from nowhere that's talking over them.

[452] I think it's more than I think occult crimes are stupid.

[453] I really do.

[454] It's the same thing with like ghost hunters.

[455] It's like, well, the occult isn't a thing.

[456] It's crazy people making it up.

[457] So I don't care.

[458] Okay.

[459] You know what I mean?

[460] Yes.

[461] Although I love the occult.

[462] I really do.

[463] What part of it do you love?

[464] The mystery.

[465] It's just like grown up gothuffs, like convincing crazy people.

[466] to do insane things at their bidding.

[467] What is the bad part of what you just said?

[468] It's so good.

[469] People do it.

[470] That's the thing.

[471] I don't know.

[472] Okay.

[473] I don't know.

[474] It's just not for you.

[475] I guess it's almost like it's the same thing too where it's like there's something.

[476] I really like that idea if you take the occult part out.

[477] So like Jonestown, I think it's cool because it's this bigger than life person who's able to convince all these people to do things for him or to do, you know, the same thing with Manson's interesting too because he was able to convince all these people to do things.

[478] And it's like, but then you're like, but I love Satan, too, and Satan's real.

[479] And it's like, no, he's fucking not.

[480] And then I get struck by a bolt of lightning.

[481] How funny would that be?

[482] Smoke just starts coming up from behind the couch.

[483] It was so weird.

[484] Georgia in her apartment just got struck by lightning.

[485] Ranting and ranting about how Satan isn't real until he was forced to show up.

[486] Mimi got on her hind legs.

[487] Her eyes rolled back in their head.

[488] She started.

[489] She was like, I will take you to the dark place now.

[490] Hi, I am Mimi.

[491] Hear me roar.

[492] Me, me, no. Me, me, we're so cute.

[493] It's so funny because you'd picture her with, like, a girly voice.

[494] She actually has a very deep, satanic voice.

[495] And then Elvis is like, I fucking told you to see.

[496] This whole time, I was trying to warn you guys that she sucked.

[497] It sounded like you wanted Elvis to have a New York accent.

[498] Like, I fucking told you.

[499] I fucking told you guys.

[500] This has gotten way off track.

[501] Skippers, come back.

[502] Oh, but this was fun.

[503] No, because we were talking about a lot of people actually recommended occult crimes.

[504] That's how I found out about it is because people were recommended it.

[505] I'm sorry that I shit on the girl the recommended Luther.

[506] I adore you for tweeting at me. I didn't mean to do that.

[507] You should have tweeted at me because I don't know it.

[508] That's right.

[509] I just ended up putting IKEA furniture together last night and watching Kimmy Schmidt.

[510] Which is pretty nice.

[511] So good.

[512] I love that show.

[513] I do too.

[514] I really love it.

[515] It's so goddamn packed full of jokes.

[516] So good.

[517] Brilliantly written.

[518] And also it's akin to Bob's Burgers in that when you watch it, admit if you were in a bad, low place, it's up, up, up, it makes you feel happy.

[519] It's so hilarious.

[520] Titus Andronicus should be the president of the United States of America.

[521] I would be so happy.

[522] It would be so much better.

[523] Okay.

[524] So, all right, girlfriends who are playing this podcast for their boyfriends on a road trip and we're like, no, you're going to love this podcast.

[525] Come back to us.

[526] That was good.

[527] I agree.

[528] Fuck it.

[529] Boyfriends who were like to hit their girlfriends.

[530] I was also sexist, what I just said.

[531] this is the best part get ready for the boring part yeah here comes the boring part the point of all of it it's not how you get there it's how you show up it's how you get in your car and drive there and then drive there outy for people who want to get to the point oh yeah sorry you guys we're going to start doing car integrations during the podcast you'll never know it's coming we're just going to suggest to you to buy a certain type of car and we get a free one Audi now I fucking need one dude I love an Audi or a Jaguar Jaguar Jaguar Jaguar remember when a crow flew into your car in there in the crowd okay if you read that I tweeted it and I hate to be the kind of person that talks about their tweets and conversation nobody reads tweets that's true um people are you mine um no georgia and I are driving to our show that we did with the women that do the show wild horses here in at Los Angeles it's like a storytelling then improv show and it's fucking awesome and so amazing and hilarious funny women they're so great so we got to go do that show we're their guests we're driving there together talking blah blah blah I'm playing delight yeah it's just like live in life like LA girls yeah windows are down yeah it's almost like a summer day blooded blah out of my peripheral vision like basically the corner of my left eye goes dark and I'm like uh oh we're an emergency situation I turned my head and a crow, no joke, the wingspan was like four feet wide.

[532] Looked like it was trying to make a dive landing into the car.

[533] And it's only because you were going like one mile over whatever we were going.

[534] Yes.

[535] That it didn't fucking fly directly into the car.

[536] Yes.

[537] I heard its wings.

[538] I know.

[539] It was, and like it took us a few seconds when we passed it.

[540] And then you go, did a crow just try to fly in our car?

[541] And I was like, uh -huh.

[542] It was definitely happened.

[543] It took a minute.

[544] It took a minute.

[545] So insane.

[546] Yeah.

[547] It almost, I was like, was that crow sick?

[548] Was it like, you have to take me the hospital right now?

[549] Like, it seemed desperate.

[550] Well, it wanted to hang out with us.

[551] It was like, oh my God, I loved Elyte.

[552] Oh, my God.

[553] I love talking about nothing.

[554] You guys, I'm a murdererino because it's in a murder of crows.

[555] That's right.

[556] Something.

[557] The Ridge.

[558] I mean, it was pretty funny.

[559] So a lot of people had that response to the tweet, that it was a murder of crows.

[560] Mm -hmm.

[561] Well, fine.

[562] sorry again not attacking you Steven who's going first today it's you I think is it me yeah Karen's right I was right about number 72 I am fucking on this shit well the problem is Mimi's entire body weight is that my story okay sorry go ahead she looks so shocked she's like how dare you pull your story out from under my body this is the highway killer or the interstate killer now this is a serial killer that I had never heard of I'd seen this photo before but I've never heard of him and I found the pretty straightforward story of like he killed this person then he killed this person then he killed this person you know like the story and it was so devoid of any details that when I started looking into it and suddenly it's like no this was way fucking bigger than you thought it was so we're kind of learning this together can I guess which state it took place in yes Texas you were wrong because it took place in a lot of states.

[563] Oh.

[564] I see.

[565] You tell me. All right.

[566] I will.

[567] You don't want to make it?

[568] I'm not going to guess the whole story.

[569] I thought I should, but now I don't want to.

[570] Just guess.

[571] Guess.

[572] Okay.

[573] From 1982 until 1984, a serial killer was killing young men.

[574] He was dubbed the interstate killer because his victims were mostly random hitchhikers.

[575] 20 to 23 were dead before he was caught.

[576] the victims were stabbed and they were bodies were found in parts of Indiana, Illinois, Kentucky, and Wisconsin.

[577] What?

[578] Yeah.

[579] So the first.

[580] I really thought I knew this and I do not know it at all.

[581] You know his face.

[582] Okay.

[583] This is crazy.

[584] So Jay Reynolds was the first victim.

[585] He was found on March 22nd, 1982.

[586] He was found stabbed to death on the outskirts of Lexington, Kentucky.

[587] And all of these, okay.

[588] Nine months later, on October 3rd, 14 -year -old Del Void Baker was strangled.

[589] His body was dumped on the roadside of North, roadside north of Indianapolis.

[590] And Stephen Crockett, who was 19 on October 20th.

[591] Hey, this is exciting.

[592] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

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[605] Goodbye.

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[627] May 3rd was stabbed 32 times.

[628] Four of those wins were to the head discarded outside Lowell, Indiana.

[629] So then the killer goes to Illinois.

[630] And on November 6th, he leaves the body of Robert Foley.

[631] in a field northwest of Joliet.

[632] Joliet?

[633] Law enforcement is like, oh, oh, there's a pattern, right?

[634] Assaults on young men, which back then we know wasn't something that was looked very deep.

[635] Like if you look at any of these interstate killings of young men, not looked into very deeply.

[636] So stabbing and strangulation are present in every case.

[637] So then on Christmas of 1982, 25 -year -old John Johnson's bodies found dumped in a field outside Bell Shaw, Indiana.

[638] Three days later, 21 -year -old John Roach is discovered near Belleville and then the bound body of 23 -year -old carwash employee from Terre Haute, his name is Stephen Again, A -G -A -N, A -G -A -N, Stephen Agan.

[639] He'd been stabbed to death and discarded north of Newport, Indiana.

[640] So then on June 6, 1983, an anonymous caller tells cops that he knows who the interstate killer is.

[641] He says that someone he knew had been picked up and attacked by the killer and had played dead after being assaulted.

[642] And so he knows who the person was.

[643] The man's name was Larry Eller.

[644] I'm sorry, Larry Eller, and he's arrested.

[645] Can I say his name correctly when you, I'll steve it that out, Stephen that out.

[646] His name is, can you step in that out?

[647] That's a new thing.

[648] So leave that all in just for that.

[649] So actually leave that.

[650] Holy shit.

[651] Steven that out.

[652] Even that out, please.

[653] I just ruin this.

[654] The man's name is Larry Eller and he is arrested.

[655] Okay, let's talk about Larry Eller.

[656] He's born in Crawfordsville, Indiana, on December 21st, 1952.

[657] By the time he was a teen, his mother had married and divorced four times.

[658] Oh, that's too many.

[659] That's too many.

[660] He, I mean, that's fine for like...

[661] What?

[662] So, like, every three years.

[663] Yeah.

[664] I was trying to do the math.

[665] Yeah.

[666] He attends Catholic schools, has...

[667] some difficulty at 10 years old he sent to the Riley Child Guidance Clinic in Indiana Indiana where psychologists or psychological tests revealed normal intelligence but in extreme insecurity and great fear of separation and abandonment you know the staff of the clinic said that his home environment was unstable and chaotic and recommend that he be sent to live elsewhere so at the age of 12 he went to live in a Catholic boy's home oh no I know where he stayed for five months.

[668] Little did they know.

[669] Little, or did they know?

[670] It was later said by a forensic psychiatrist that his history was one of the worst cases of child abuse he had seen in 20 years in the field.

[671] Oh, no. Yeah.

[672] So there's not a lot of details about it, but they like hinted things, but they don't go too deep into it.

[673] Like you can't find details except for one thing about one of his stepdad would pour hot water on his head when he was like mad at him.

[674] it's just like that's all you know and that's horrible but there wasn't a lot of other information about it so he dropped out of high school in his senior year worked odd jobs for a couple of years and not long after leaving high school he joined the monastery and then he quit the monastery so larry eller is struggling all his life to cope with what turns out to be his homosexuality oh so he was simultaneously fascinated and repelled by it he hated himself for it but he couldn't help himself.

[675] I bet the Catholic boys' home did a lot of good for that issue.

[676] I bet you're right.

[677] Yeah.

[678] That was all sarcasm.

[679] That was total sarcasm.

[680] So he killed his first victim at around 30 years old.

[681] Larry was arrested for the assault that the anonymous call her collard called in.

[682] But the case was dropped when Eiler gave the victim money and the victim was like, fine, I'm out of here.

[683] which is totally understandable.

[684] You don't want to relieve this whole trauma for no reason.

[685] Yeah.

[686] The bodies of young men then continued to be found throughout the spring of 1993, with most of the action shifting to Illinois.

[687] By July 2nd, the body count stood at 12.

[688] Some of the victims had been mutilated after death, and a few had been disemboweled.

[689] Whoa.

[690] The 13th victim was Ralph Calisi, and he was found on August 31st, dumped in a field near Lake Forest, Illinois.

[691] He had been dead less than 12 hours when he disappeared and was discovered.

[692] He was bound with clothesline and a surgical tape, stabbed 17 times, and his pants were pulled down around his ankles.

[693] Then, on October 30th, 1983, in Indiana, a highway patrolman spotted a pickup truck parked along the interstate 65.

[694] Two men were walking towards a bunch of trees.

[695] He stops them.

[696] one was bound and when the officer went to investigate he identifies Larry Eiler as the owner of the truck so the cop catches him as he's about to lead someone into the forest bound already tied up and the guy says he told me he'd give me money you know for for sex he asked if he could tie me up and we were walking out towards the field so the guy at that point was actually it's voluntary because he thinks, oh, I'm just going to get paid, and I'm fine to do this.

[697] Yes.

[698] So then when the officer searches the truck, he finds surgical tape, clothesline, and a hunting knife that's stained with blood.

[699] So Eiler is taken in for questioning, and when the forensic experts check the blood, they match it with that of Calisi, who had been found previously.

[700] They were also able to match the tire tracks left at the Calisi site with that of Eiler's truck.

[701] and police were like, this is enough to put him behind bars, but they let him go while they continued the investigation.

[702] Yeah, they can't just hold him.

[703] No. Yeah.

[704] So while the investigation continued in the Calisi murder, Eiler is set free.

[705] Then on October 4th, 1983, 14 -year -old Derek Hansen is found dismembered near Kenahosha, Wisconsin.

[706] Kenosha?

[707] Thank you.

[708] Sorry, 14?

[709] Mm -hmm.

[710] A lot of young kids.

[711] 11 days later, a young John Doe is discovered near Rennelsier, Indiana.

[712] That one I don't know.

[713] I only know Kenosha because my friend grew up right near it.

[714] Okay, that was a good one.

[715] So I've heard him say it.

[716] Rensselaer.

[717] R -N -S -S -E -L -A -E -R.

[718] R -E -N -S -E -R.

[719] I got lost at the two S's.

[720] Rens -S -L -L -L -R -S -Lair.

[721] Is it bear?

[722] Oh, I got that one.

[723] wrong that was not my what was it baxter it looks like but it's spelled with an x in the middle and it's like it's pronounced bare last like well you're just changing the rules of reading yeah then you're actually you're wrong it's not last week you want it you call the mayor and tell them that he's wrong well guess what i am the mayor what i just made myself the mayor she just took off a mask and revealed that she is in fact the mayor that's true um do you did it okay okay almost two weeks later another John Doe is found near Effingham, Illinois, and two other victims, Richard Wayne, and another unidentified male will found dead outside of Indianapolis.

[724] Then on October 18th, 1983, a couple is hunting for mushrooms at an abandoned Indiana farm hanging out.

[725] They're like, we found mushrooms here before.

[726] Let's get some more, right?

[727] Yeah, for either for a salad or to trip out all day long.

[728] Whatever this couple is into is their business.

[729] It's their business.

[730] They've been there before.

[731] they're not there to hurt anyone that they are there to find two skulls lying near a dilapidated barn no so we can at least assume that they were stoned on pot yeah if they're out looking for mushrooms and they're freaking out man and then they stumble upon like remains that's awful yeah those poor hippies i know man actually turns out that they're also businessmen well turns out they're the murderers no no no i get a so many twists they're also businessmen murderers Oh, my God, finally.

[732] That's the area I want to go into.

[733] It's all of it.

[734] I want the murders that happen inside of the Enron building.

[735] Do you think of me did?

[736] I mean, they could have.

[737] It has to be at least one.

[738] There has to.

[739] There was so many people in that building.

[740] Everyone was like on a lot of pressure.

[741] Yeah.

[742] They had to either sell or buy or kill.

[743] That's sell by or kill on Lifetime.

[744] Yeah.

[745] Oh, write it down.

[746] I don't know.

[747] What about a grocery one?

[748] called sell by dead no like a sell by date so by date and then it's like sell by colon dead dead now I love it sounds good this okay we can keep working on that one but the other one about Enron is perfect it is he sold it already great uh okay there's an abandoned indiana farm they find two skulls lined together north of the barn off u .s highway 41 just across the Illinois state line in Newton County.

[749] Way to go, Newton County.

[750] Yeah.

[751] How simple you are to pronounce and read.

[752] Thank you.

[753] I'm only doing murder from places that are just one syllable, but it's two syllables.

[754] Just town.

[755] Yeah.

[756] Something town.

[757] No X's.

[758] Nothing.

[759] No double S's.

[760] When police get to the scene, they then find two other bodies.

[761] Whoa.

[762] Near that barn?

[763] Mm -hmm.

[764] The victim, one of the victims had been decapitated and all had their pants pulled down and they had been stabbed to death.

[765] Two of the victims were identified, Michael Bauer, which is my friend's ex -boyfriend's name.

[766] He was a 23 -year -old pizza deliverer last scene taking out the trash at his parents' Portage Park home, which what a fucking bummer.

[767] Yes.

[768] And John Bartlett, who's 19, who was staying with his sister in Chicago after being discharged from the army.

[769] I know.

[770] By this time, police were like, this is clearly Larry Eiler.

[771] They fucking knew it was him.

[772] another victim who had survived his attack identified photographs of Iler and another survivor came in and was like yep happen to me too but the investigators wanted him for homicide so their circumstantial evidence was still incomplete so they wouldn't arrest him yep so Larry Eiler at this point is under constant surveillance in Chicago and because of this he files a suit against the late county sheriff's office accusing them of mounting a quote psychological welfare welfare Nope.

[773] Psychological warfare, not welfare.

[774] That'd be a good thing.

[775] Campaign to unhinge his mind.

[776] Right.

[777] Yes.

[778] That's what they do.

[779] That's what all the police are trying to do to this one guy.

[780] Yeah, who happens to also be a child molesting murderer.

[781] Yes.

[782] His claim for half a million dollars is denied.

[783] What?

[784] Yep.

[785] He's not the victim in this scenario?

[786] No. How odd.

[787] And as he's leaving the courtroom, Eiler is arrested for Ralph Calisi's murder.

[788] Wow.

[789] That's sweet -ass timing on those.

[790] police uh people's part they were just like oh yeah you want to go in and try to you want to try to sue the city okay go ahead yeah we'll meet you out here don't get too stoked yet though karen yeah he's held in lieu of a million dollars in bond but in the pretrial hearing february 5th 1984 all the evidence recovered from isler's truck the night they found him with the guy who was bound gets excluded why because the night that the night that they found him in the truck, they held him without arrest in the jail for over 12 hours.

[791] Oh, which you're not allowed to do.

[792] You have to have a reason to hold him there.

[793] That's right.

[794] Like arresting him.

[795] So he's released on bail.

[796] I know.

[797] It's a real bummer, man. It's crazy.

[798] It's crazy when it happens when it's a serial killer.

[799] It's not, this isn't a shoplifter.

[800] Yeah.

[801] It's not like someone's rights were slightly stepped on who.

[802] was, you know, like a slum lord or something.

[803] Bad, very bad.

[804] But this is a person who is out a predator that's intentionally killing innocent people every day.

[805] Here's what gets even worse is now he goes on to kill a bunch of people.

[806] Okay.

[807] After this.

[808] Right.

[809] Because they couldn't hold him.

[810] Right.

[811] So in May 7, 1984, 22 -year -old David Block was found murdered near Zion, Illinois.

[812] His wounds also was the pattern of everyone else who had been killed already.

[813] Okay, so then, August 24th, 1st, 1984, a janitor of an apartment house in Chicago goes to take out the garbage and empty the garbage can and they're overflowing with gray bags, like nice gray trash bags.

[814] And this guy, his last name is Bala, he's like, those trash bags aren't what my tenants use.

[815] My tenants used cheaper bags.

[816] He knew they weren't his tenants because they were nice trash bags.

[817] It was like, my tenants are pieces of shit.

[818] They don't buy this stuff.

[819] They don't buy hefty.

[820] They buy fucking nine -nine -cent store shit.

[821] So it made him suspicious.

[822] And he says, quote, I was very pissed off a little bit.

[823] So I opened one up, ripped it open.

[824] I was very curious.

[825] What the hell am I throwing out?

[826] He says.

[827] Can you imagine what his accent was sounded like?

[828] This is Chicago, right?

[829] This is a Chicago janitor.

[830] Yeah.

[831] Yeah, and like building manager guy.

[832] Yeah.

[833] Who gets pissed about garbage.

[834] Yeah.

[835] What am I throwing out?

[836] I just want to know.

[837] I just want to know.

[838] You putting your garbage in here?

[839] I want to know.

[840] I can't do the accent.

[841] No, I can't do.

[842] Stephen, what's the accent for Chicago?

[843] Do Chicago.

[844] Hey, I'm throwing at the garbage here.

[845] Well done.

[846] Get angry, though.

[847] I'm throwing out the fucking garbage here.

[848] I don't know.

[849] I don't know.

[850] Stephen that out.

[851] That turned over into triple Chicago.

[852] That was amazing.

[853] It's just like harder, accent is angrier.

[854] Yep.

[855] So, of course, he's opening the bags and guess what?

[856] A leg slips out.

[857] No. All to the ground.

[858] Yeah.

[859] So, eight, within eight bags are the remains of 15 or 16.

[860] I can't tell you're old, um, hustler, Danny Bridges.

[861] He's like 15 or 16.

[862] He's a, child sex worker, Hessler, you know, the streets of Chicago back then?

[863] Can you imagine seeing a 15 -year -old like working the streets and stuff?

[864] In the 80s?

[865] Yeah.

[866] Probably the 90s too, let's be honest.

[867] Like I can't believe...

[868] Right up till today.

[869] Well, so Danny Bridges is a known sex worker by Chicago Police Special Investigations Unit.

[870] They had been established to combat child pornography and the sex abuse of children.

[871] And they had been established.

[872] actually had worked with Danny to get his story to people who are advocating for teen sex workers.

[873] So there's a couple channels doing news stories.

[874] I guess there's video of him talking to them, uh, like doing news, news stories.

[875] I can't find them.

[876] And I would fucking love to see them.

[877] This kid looks so like he just looks like he knows too much about life.

[878] So the 18 years old.

[879] Yeah.

[880] He's a freshman in high school.

[881] Well, he would probably, I don't think he goes to school at this point.

[882] Yeah, but I mean, just the equation of, like, if he had rich parents, if he grew up in Evanston, yeah, and was, you know, had little Isod sweater on and was listening to fucking the specials, there we go, top -siders, me, me be quiet.

[883] So he was warned by the Chicago special police to stay away from, from this guy, from Eller.

[884] like everyone is like stay the fuck away from this guy we're trying to get him he's a murderer of people you know stay away from okay but later one member of the special investigations unit acknowledged in the book what cops know by Connie Fletcher that the unit encouraged child prostitutes to have sex with adults in order to make arrest as in they would set them up like a sting operation right which I know is super inflammatory but it's in this book I didn't say it the quote well that was basically the practice was they're using these children as bait so they can get these bad guys it's the only way they can actually lure them out right they can't use legal people to do it even though it was completely but ethically they should be using evidence that's not putting a child at risk exactly and that's the like yeah I guess even if it was like someone who was of age and they were working with the police for some reason but this is just like so dark and deep well these days they would just use people who are right looking it would be a 21 jump street yeah sex worker edition yes so he said the the quote from the s i you investigator says our opinion is that you should go out and find the crime what better way to prove um and have him what better way to prove the crime than to get it in progress or to follow someone home and have him go to bed with a kid is what this guy said in this book yeah yeah 82 84 80 this was this book was written in 91 oh no I know so so it seems that that they acknowledge that the unit encouraged child sex workers to have sex with adults in order to make arrests right so and it also Danny Bridges was needed to testify in pending child pornography trials so this kid was like deep in it and he gets killed so in one of the NBC videos a reporter asks in 1984 asks Danny Bridges about Eiler and he says yeah I knew him he was a real freak he used to come around uptown and hang around so this kid Danny Bridges knows about Eiler and the question then is why would he go home with him if he already knew he was a creep so Danny Bridges is going to get into a car with a guy that he knows is a creep no unless maybe he was doing it for the police oh is kind of the question right which is one of it yeah it's like literally live bait like worst case scenario and it was never i mean this is just like something i found in a bunch of little articles which i'll name at the end of this so so perhaps the whole thing was a sting that went wrong because danny did get killed yeah so how the fuck does that happen like you that's so that's the craziest version of that story where it's just like like if the cops were using him as bait then what excuse in the world could they have to then somehow lose track of him I mean, like, that would be the only, if you're letting a child get into the car with a known serial killer, you can't like, oh, whoops, they took a wrong turn.

[885] I mean, like, that's insanity.

[886] Well, here's the other part of this that gets in here somewhere is that they think that Larry Eiler might have had an accomplice.

[887] Because Danny's fingerprints were never found on Larry Eiler's car, so maybe someone else picked him up, brought him back there.

[888] Wow.

[889] I know.

[890] It's really complicated.

[891] Okay.

[892] But also usually, isn't that rare that serial killers would have, like, have an accomplice or work with someone else?

[893] I would think so, but who knows?

[894] I mean, I'll ask.

[895] Would you ask?

[896] I'll ask my friend.

[897] I'll ask my friend at the FBI.

[898] Would you ask your accomplice, your serial killer accomplice?

[899] I'll ask my boss.

[900] That's the guy you're working with to kill people.

[901] Okay.

[902] So witnesses, you know, after they find the body parts in the garbage bags, witnesses say they saw a man, I'll live next door, but the bags in the trash and he is Eiler who's 31 years old this time so he just took the garbage to the place next door during the day he wanted to get caught or he was just really stupid so Larry Eiler is convicted of murder and he of Danny Bridges and my lord she's being real she's all over the map okay he's convicted of murder and aggravated kidnapping of Danny Bridges in October 3rd, 1986, he's sentenced to die.

[903] Then in November of 1990, he's bargaining to save himself from execution.

[904] He agrees to help Indiana authorities solve a number of his crimes if they would get him off death row.

[905] So he confesses to the killing of the Egan torture slaying and surprise investigators by naming an alleged accomplish.

[906] I keep saying words wrong today.

[907] I don't know what's going on with me today.

[908] I'm having a stroke.

[909] It's all right.

[910] um accomplice so 53 year old robert david little he's the chairman of the department of library science at indiana state university um and this murder of uh agen happens when he's staying with um with larry as a guest and according to isler little took the photos and masturbated while larry disembowed the victim oh no so he's like let's pick up boys you do this i'll do that So he's like part of it.

[911] And it's kind of his like, this guy, Dr. Little is like his sugar daddy.

[912] He's like paying for his places to live.

[913] He used to be a student of Dr. Little.

[914] And they're like working together.

[915] What the fuck?

[916] Yeah.

[917] It's some real twisted shit that they better fucking make a movie out of.

[918] Well, also because he's a professor of library science.

[919] So there's like a real that you could make that as super creepy in the stacks style.

[920] murder story who would play him i'm already wondering i mean are you watching far ago and how amazing what's his name is you and mcgregor oh my god but the woman um i don't know her name off hand who's also in the leftovers yes she's amazing she's so good she's those two characters are so different i am loving mary stewart something or other not masterson mary stewart little no mary beth mcbeth mary beth mcbeth it's Mary McKebeth from the play I am loving the young hot girl though are you caught up yes you mean the one she's playing who's also playing the sheriff that's not her the police chief I mean the girl with the short black hair yeah that's that's the you and McGregor's the dumpy brother's girlfriend is the same as the chief hold the fuck up yes no no wait I'm the one that gets to tell you this I told this to Vince and he's like no well DeVint is straight up wrong no yes i mean i must not yelled at stephen we're getting a divorce stephen is this true uh mary elizabeth winstead is i here thinking of yes she playing both characters um it doesn't say on the main wikipedia page but if we go deeper we go deeper hold on hold on hold on uh who's the it's her she plays i'm telling you eyeliner her, Nikki.

[921] Nikki Swango.

[922] Nikki Swango's the girlfriend that's rock and roll.

[923] And she plays her?

[924] And then also the chief.

[925] She's the chief.

[926] And Wikipedia is failing me. I'm like, Steven, I am so mad at you right now.

[927] You're going to get Stevened out of here.

[928] Everything you have to say from now on is in a Chicago accent.

[929] Oh, no. I am DB Fargo.

[930] Season three.

[931] You're going to put this on pause.

[932] Season three.

[933] If I get this before you, Stephen, you're fucking fired.

[934] Well, he's trying to hold him.

[935] microphone and then do it with one finger.

[936] Well, that's his problem.

[937] Okay.

[938] All right.

[939] Okay.

[940] Here we go.

[941] No, I think you're wrong.

[942] No way.

[943] Carrie Coon is the chief.

[944] What?

[945] Yep.

[946] It's two different actresses.

[947] Mary Elizabeth something.

[948] God, I thought so.

[949] Mary Elizabeth Winston.

[950] Mary Elizabeth Winstead's only the girlfriend.

[951] I've had so many conversations about how amazing.

[952] Including with me because I was like, uh -huh.

[953] I agreed with you a couple weeks ago.

[954] They look so much alike.

[955] I asked Vince who was the same person too because I agree.

[956] We always have to believe Vince now.

[957] Why?

[958] Yes.

[959] That's he's never wrong.

[960] He's never wrong.

[961] He also doesn't say shit like I do or I'm like no I'm positive and I'm like oh you're right I'm wrong.

[962] I do that shit all the time.

[963] Well I also I listen look look and listen.

[964] You said that she plays two characters and I didn't want to be like I think you're wrong.

[965] I was like oh yeah.

[966] Oh you always got to say if you think I'm wrong it happens a lot have you tried telling yourself telling you that you think you're wrong uh if you're confronting i don't like arguing no no no i just think i don't like i would rather assume that i'm wrong because i usually am okay what was that thing i said the other day the cockles of your heart hackles i said cockles yeah no again you said something about getting your i don't want to get my you said something about the i said i know i'm like you said something about the cockles to be raised.

[967] You don't want to get your cockles up.

[968] Right.

[969] And but it was hackles.

[970] This is why I don't argue when people tell me a thing.

[971] I know, but I feel like, okay, well, I would also, when I'm positive about something, it almost changes the fact.

[972] I get so positive.

[973] I believe you.

[974] We're exactly the same way.

[975] I believe you.

[976] You do the same thing.

[977] Oh, yeah.

[978] It's like, oh, no, no, no, look it up.

[979] Yeah.

[980] Like, let's wait until you see this that I'm right.

[981] I don't under, but here's the thing.

[982] This happens all the time in casting.

[983] Why are you casting two women who, look.

[984] All I thought was that the, that the police chief woman just had less eyeliner and a different haircut.

[985] And I'm like, this is brilliant.

[986] That they're making her look a little bit older simply by not dressing up.

[987] Because the brothers are the same person.

[988] So why couldn't this be that too?

[989] I thought it was.

[990] I thought it was, I thought it was like a theme.

[991] I did too.

[992] I did too.

[993] I think I stopped thinking that one and said, no. I would have doubled down.

[994] And then he hit me. Right in the face?

[995] Oh, yeah.

[996] So I was like, okay, he's right.

[997] Okay.

[998] And I think she is killing it.

[999] So who do you think is killing it then?

[1000] The chief.

[1001] I love the chief.

[1002] I think now the girlfriend, Mary Elizabeth, is fucking, it's suddenly about her.

[1003] Yes.

[1004] And I fucking am like, at first I was like, who, like, what's this peripheral character?

[1005] And now it's about her.

[1006] And I fucking love her.

[1007] Yeah, she's, I think.

[1008] I like them both a lot.

[1009] I did too.

[1010] But I'm, I wasn't, I knew that this, that the other carry was good.

[1011] the leftovers so I wasn't worried about that but this chick is awesome I'm mad I just think she's now I think she's bad I'm just kidding I just thought that it was this amazing job of when you are the kind of girl that dresses rock and roll like the one like the hot girlfriend you have a kind of aura about you that looks like that and when you are a woman that's just trying to fucking get some shit done and have people listen to you you look like Carrie Coon, which is kind of an all -business haircut and not a lot of makeup and not a lot of that and a lot of just like, I'm not trying to do anything.

[1012] And it seemed like this perfect presentation of like when what you do with your womanly attractiveness based on the job you have or based on what you're trying to get done with your job.

[1013] And it's this thing too of like you can either use the fact that you're hot or pretty or you cannot.

[1014] but the one way isn't better than the other exactly right they're both it's up to you in both ways and they're both very effective I just loved that presentation I'm like I was giving it so much fucking credit you need to call it a couple people you were at parties where I'm so mad right now of like me holding forth on what it means you know philosophically and representationally of the woman's role or whatever I wonder how many people like different actress have have argued your point once they believed you at parties or whatever Let's not act like I go to a bunch of parties.

[1015] I haven't talked to anybody but the two of you in like a month.

[1016] Those Hollywood parties and our therapist.

[1017] Oh, that's right.

[1018] I just tried to tell our therapist.

[1019] She has been in, oh, she was in Scott Pilgrim.

[1020] Okay.

[1021] She's cute.

[1022] Okay.

[1023] Oh, rock and roll girl was the girlfriend in Scott Pilgrim.

[1024] Yeah.

[1025] Yes, she's great.

[1026] And she was in 10 Cloverfield Lane.

[1027] She's great.

[1028] I love that movie.

[1029] Okay.

[1030] She's been in some cool shit.

[1031] What about Carrie Coon?

[1032] She's from the leftovers.

[1033] She's from the leftovers.

[1034] Isn't that enough for you?

[1035] It is.

[1036] That's plenty.

[1037] Let's see here.

[1038] Should we be doing more Wikipediaing or should you finish your story?

[1039] Oh, I'm not done?

[1040] Fuck.

[1041] I thought it was done.

[1042] Fuck.

[1043] God damn it.

[1044] I don't want to keep going.

[1045] Listen, he's a fucking asshole.

[1046] He died of AIDS.

[1047] Oh, God.

[1048] No, really.

[1049] He dies of AIDS.

[1050] sorry that was the end of the fucking story um okay i'm almost done he has a he has a guy who does it with him that's the darkest i feel like that's the darkest that's probably why we just took a serious left turn because like we just touched into the darkest area possible which is serial a team of serial killer situation yeah fuck that also against children totally yeah totally so based on his confession, Larry Eiler receives a 60 -year prison sentence on top of what he's going on through.

[1051] In return, he agrees to testify against Dr. Little, who's arrested on the murder charges.

[1052] And in the absence of physical evidence to support Eiler's statement, Little is acquitted of all charges in 1991.

[1053] So, okay, later Larry Eiler's attorney finds out that Dr. Little had been paying for Larry Eiler's defense.

[1054] So Larry's testifying against Dr. Little for the prosecution, but has a financial relationship with the prosecution's lead witness and a legal duty to his client, and it's all crazy fucked up.

[1055] So that shouldn't have happened.

[1056] However, okay, back in Illinois.

[1057] But it happened anyway, basically?

[1058] It did.

[1059] But they didn't figure that out until one time later.

[1060] Back in Illinois, Larry's, Larry offers to clear 20 murders in exchange for commutation of, his sentence to life imprisonment, the state authorities say no, and then I wrote Dix, because there were more murders going on after Larry Eilers was put into prison that were very similar to what was going on when he was killing people.

[1061] Was it Dr. Library Little?

[1062] It was someone else who worked in a similar manner.

[1063] And Larry Eilers is like, yo, I'll tell you everything, and I'll put all of this to bed if you just don't kill me. And this guy who was like, um, this was the new, something.

[1064] District Attorney?

[1065] Thank you.

[1066] And he was like, no, we put him Jack O'Malley.

[1067] He was the Cook County State Attorney.

[1068] He could keep him, keep Eiler and jail for the rest of his life, solve more than 20 old murders, help bring to justice a killer or killer still in the loose and save taxpayers, hundreds of thousands of dollars in appeal costs.

[1069] But good old Jack O'Malley said, a burden in the hand is better than 20 in the bush.

[1070] Literally said that.

[1071] So he said no. So he was basically saying killing this one guy.

[1072] is worth it.

[1073] Mm -hmm.

[1074] All right.

[1075] Okay.

[1076] So Larry Eiler died of AIDS on March 6, 1984 at 41 years old.

[1077] Kathleen Zellner handles Eiler's appeals.

[1078] She describes the killings.

[1079] He tells her about all the killings over the last three years before he dies and she convinces him she convinces him to let her release his confession after his death.

[1080] So she released the list of 21 killings to which she said Eiler confessed and that he said he had an accomplice for four of the killings.

[1081] He took a polygraph text that supported all of these things.

[1082] So it's all true, maybe, probably.

[1083] So I don't know if you recognize the name Kathleen Zellner.

[1084] Is it the It makeup products that like make your Zellner for don't get a case of the Mondays will exonerate your pores.

[1085] I don't know.

[1086] Is that what you mean?

[1087] trying to think of stuff you were going on my riff I thought you were giving me clues for who she really could be no no no oh my god I was just like what oh shit should I know that puzzles oh no no I was going off your rid badly you couldn't tell because they were very bad we'll exonerate your pores I disagree I think you did great thank you so much I'm honored you're saying that because it's my birthday no I'm not no I never do that okay one miss Kathleen Zellner, who, by the way, if this had been turned into a movie like it was supposed to called Privilege Information would have been played by Jessica Beale is also now Steve Avery's new appellate attorney.

[1088] From Wisconsin, making a murderer?

[1089] So she is a defense attorney.

[1090] She's on appeals.

[1091] She's the appeals attorney.

[1092] Once you get convicted, she comes in and is like, let's see if we can turn this around.

[1093] So she, that's what she did for him in that she found out that he, that his, that his, His whole defense had been paid for by the person he ended up fingering.

[1094] Oh.

[1095] Dr. Little.

[1096] So she was like, what the fuck?

[1097] So she basically goes through everything from the trial and is like, here's what this fucked up.

[1098] Here's what that fucked up.

[1099] We're going to go back and appeal all of this based on this.

[1100] Not based on even whether or not you did it or based on, you know.

[1101] It's purely legal.

[1102] It's like the prosecutor didn't turn over enough, this evidence they were supposed to.

[1103] Did this get, did this go by the book?

[1104] Right.

[1105] Which might or not mean that the guy is guilty, but it doesn't matter because it's, you know.

[1106] process.

[1107] So she's, do process.

[1108] Yeah, which is great.

[1109] Good for her.

[1110] All right.

[1111] I know what I meant?

[1112] George is like, I'm being forced to say this.

[1113] Yeah.

[1114] No, I mean that, though.

[1115] It's like, you know, it's the thing that's the fucking guy, Brenham says to us, too, which is like, it doesn't matter.

[1116] You have to give them a good fight.

[1117] Right.

[1118] Which is like, no, but I'm in jail forever.

[1119] All right.

[1120] So 11 bodies, after his arrest, 11 bodies turn up in rural counties in Ohio and Indiana, all the same age, ligature marks, all this shit.

[1121] And then, so, that's it.

[1122] Where's Dr. Fucking Little?

[1123] Is he the one doing it?

[1124] You can't find information about this shit.

[1125] Oh, I want to give a shout out to this.

[1126] The article, really, that sums up everything really well, was called the return of Larry Eiler from the Chicago Reader in 1992, and it's written by John Conroy.

[1127] And it really is the best article you can read.

[1128] read of it.

[1129] And then there's a couple other ones here and there that gives some information, but it's so hard to find anything.

[1130] Right.

[1131] But this one's really good.

[1132] The return of Larry Eiler.

[1133] I want to read that.

[1134] It's, it's just such a fucked up.

[1135] I hope I told that well enough.

[1136] And I know I was like, I didn't say words correctly sometimes, which is how I do things.

[1137] Hey, it's your birthday.

[1138] It's my birthday.

[1139] Uh, no, that's dry.

[1140] Amazing.

[1141] Well, now I just want to, now I'm so mad and want to know.

[1142] It also, that sounds like such a dumb political stance of, yeah, we are going to kill him because we've got the chance to kill him and he deserves to be killed, so we're going to kill him.

[1143] Well, this guy was also like, it was his first death penalty that he had gotten and they were all proud of that, so he didn't want to give it up and seem like a pussy.

[1144] Right.

[1145] And so all these parents whose kids had disappeared and they didn't know where they were and people who thought it was going to keep happening.

[1146] we're like, give this guy life in prison.

[1147] He's not going to get out.

[1148] And this chick, Kathy, or Catherine Zellner was also like, because the guy was like, well, what if he then gets out in 30 years because we took the death penalty away?

[1149] And she, like, proved that he wouldn't because of these, because of this other, um, this other thing he got found guilty of.

[1150] So it was never going to happen anyways.

[1151] And this guy just like, wouldn't hear it.

[1152] And you give him a life sentence.

[1153] He won't get out in 20 life sentences with no parole.

[1154] He wouldn't have.

[1155] oh that's fucking heavy yeah so it's just it's just fucking sad and crazy that we've never heard it's just another one of those like you know a disenfranchised group of people are getting killed so nobody cares and it's not a big deal to anyone right except their families so why prosecute hard or what you know yeah and no it's nothing against the cops and actually there's one john do that one of the um counties had they could never find out who it was so they all the cops there paid for a funeral for him and like and like went to the funeral and visit the grave and got him a headstone and it's like it's not it's just it's just shitty it's so shitty yeah it's such hard work and that's so shitty yeah well and you know what this made me think of in just a pull out bigger picture thing because we even since I was in high school being in high school in the 80s the difference of the way people talk about being gay people treat gay people it is exactly the opposite of how when I was a teenager and so I think younger people don't appreciate it as much but this is such a great example of people going like oh you know men marrying men or women marrying women what's next or whatever all that kind of shit it's such a like when you look at how when you repress and oppress people and tell them that they can't be who they are the kind of things the kind of psychological damage that that causes and what that can turn into in certain people obviously not always because but the idea of that that people back then not that long ago were were absolutely forced to not only deny who they were but some were made to despise who they were to the point of having to kill it's such a fucking heavy concept well what's crazy too is if like for the victim side it's it's also that thing of like when you when you make fun of people for that thing and you make them less human and less you identify with them less as a human being and so when these horrible things happen to them you can't have empathy for them because you don't think they are normal human beings right and the other thing i was going to say was something really poignant about uh well that i mean on top of that which is an incredibly poignant thing to say what you just said is kind of it almost like that argument that was so popular online five years ago or whatever of like everything's funny rape is funny anything is funny it like maybe in your small group of friends that could be true to you and the people who are just like you but then the larger scheme of things that's exactly right it's it's dehumanizing to people and it's and it's dehumanizing to situations where it's like, but that's actually not the case for everyone.

[1156] And this, it feels like these days, the attempt, almost subconscious societal, you know, as a human race, we're just trying to be more connected and more empathetic to each other, no matter who that other person is.

[1157] And so if that person isn't like you, it might not laugh at those same jokes as you, of course you can still tell whatever fucking joke you want.

[1158] But the idea is, are you going to make a human connection or not?

[1159] or are you going to cancel that connection forever because you so value your momentary need to say whatever the fuck you want?

[1160] And I think more and more people are being, what the fuck is wrong with you that you need to make fun of these people?

[1161] And I think what's really cool nowadays too is like we're so much more willing to call people out on their shit.

[1162] Yeah.

[1163] Like, why are you making a rape joke?

[1164] And when you do make a rape joke with five of your friends, you don't know if one of them has been raped and so they're never going to come forward because you're making it a joke.

[1165] Yeah.

[1166] And I think that people are more willing to call other people out on it now.

[1167] Yeah, because there's a psychological thing with people who can make jokes about that, that there's something fucking wrong with them.

[1168] A hundred percent.

[1169] I think that's really what it's turning into is, as opposed to talking about this as a need or a right or anything like that.

[1170] It's just like, well, actually, it's just a reflection on you, which is really what it, I mean, it's all of these, it's a very complex thing.

[1171] It's all of these things at once, but ultimately, like for me as a person, it just makes me think of you as a person less.

[1172] Yeah.

[1173] Definitely less.

[1174] I just don't talk about that I think of you less.

[1175] Yeah.

[1176] But I absolutely think of you less in the same way that like there are a lot of people who didn't grow up while AIDS was a thing.

[1177] Yeah.

[1178] I was, I can remember the news report when they first reported AIDS as an issue in the Bay Area.

[1179] I remember it.

[1180] I remember how my parents reacted.

[1181] I remember the moment, I think I was like 11 and growing up under this unbelievably scary, dark thing of AIDS.

[1182] And then having my friend Ken Mason, who was one of my closest friends from sixth grade through high school, um, died when he was 22 years old because he was closeted and because he got AIDS, uh, 20, 22 or 23.

[1183] I'm so sorry.

[1184] It was very, very sad.

[1185] But like, when people make AIDS jokes, I don't go, never make that joke again or whatever.

[1186] I just go, oh, you don't get it.

[1187] That's who you are.

[1188] You don't get, but also that you don't get it.

[1189] It's almost like proclaiming your ignorance of, of lack of empathy.

[1190] but also just that you haven't really been through life that much you haven't lived you're probably kind of spoiled both your parents are probably still alive you know what I mean like when you decide that you get to make whatever race joke you get to say the N word you all this shit that you think you can do just reflects on you yeah it's just about the quality of your character totally why am I still talking because it's important Stephen Stephen all that out please Please.

[1191] Steven it out.

[1192] Let's all make this a minisode.

[1193] Stephen it out.

[1194] That's going to be our like break music.

[1195] Stephen it out.

[1196] Won't you Stephen and out?

[1197] Always go up at the end.

[1198] Don't you.

[1199] It's deep.

[1200] It out.

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[1236] And just always keep that in the forefront of your mind.

[1237] I mean, lie in life.

[1238] It's very true in life.

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[1245] Goodbye.

[1246] All right.

[1247] Let me tell that story one more time.

[1248] My murder story one more time.

[1249] Just to get it.

[1250] Just to get it right.

[1251] Right.

[1252] Did I make a lot of mistakes in the beginning of that?

[1253] Can I redo it, Stephen?

[1254] Not right now.

[1255] He has all your fixes in there.

[1256] No, but, like, the words I miss said.

[1257] I'm just going to put Natalie in between.

[1258] Oh, no, Natalie.

[1259] I'm sorry.

[1260] Do you want me to do mine?

[1261] Yeah, always and forever.

[1262] Okay.

[1263] Here's mine.

[1264] This I got, I was watching Forensic Files as we all, I think, I swear to God, I think someone just very recently tweeted at me, do you watch Fronzic Files?

[1265] I'm not kidding.

[1266] Karen is hot about this.

[1267] The answer is yes.

[1268] If there's a policeman in it, I've at least watched it one time.

[1269] That's the rule.

[1270] Also, people are recommending BBC things.

[1271] We don't have it yet.

[1272] Don't ask me if it's a brand new...

[1273] Okay, take this up.

[1274] I've gone too far.

[1275] Okay.

[1276] I'm watching forensic files, and I have a recovered memory of the best forensic files I've ever seen.

[1277] And I'm like, how come I haven't done this one before?

[1278] That's insane.

[1279] I love it.

[1280] I love when that happens.

[1281] Right?

[1282] And you're like, oh, my God.

[1283] Why haven't I?

[1284] And it's like a big.

[1285] So this, when I watched this on Forensic Files the first time, I remember standing up and going like, no way or something.

[1286] It was one of those.

[1287] So I was like, got to look this up, got to find my info.

[1288] And it is insane.

[1289] And it's an LA one.

[1290] I want everyone to know that the word insane by Karen's hand gestures was written in lights.

[1291] You did the written in lights across.

[1292] It was like a Lysmonelli Broadway move.

[1293] Uh -huh.

[1294] Insane.

[1295] It was like if, yeah, like a cartoon, then could put up sparkly lights.

[1296] Gling.

[1297] That said insane.

[1298] That said insane.

[1299] It was gorgeous.

[1300] Okay, so this is, um, the pillow pyro.

[1301] I love it already.

[1302] Right?

[1303] So you may remember this.

[1304] I don't know.

[1305] You're a little too young.

[1306] Throughout the 80s in Southern California, there was a spate of arson fires that killed family.

[1307] It cost tens of millions of dollars, went on for years, and baffled authorities.

[1308] And sometimes arson fires were being set up to three times a day.

[1309] Holy shit.

[1310] In the Southland, as they like to call it on the news here in Los Angeles.

[1311] One TV show that got canceled.

[1312] Oh, Southland.

[1313] The best.

[1314] Starring Sean Hadassie.

[1315] Okay, so all of this is, I'm retelling you a forensic.

[1316] files.

[1317] It's one of my favorites.

[1318] That's where I get the chronology, some of the wording, whatever.

[1319] But also, within that forensic files, they talk to one of the talking heads is a famous crime writer and he was also ex -LAPD detective.

[1320] He was a detective for the LAPD for 20 years.

[1321] His name is Joseph Wamba.

[1322] And he wrote a book called Fire Lover.

[1323] So if you really want like the deep down story, which I would highly recommend, I think I want to read this book after.

[1324] I got those who hunt and monsters.

[1325] I've been listening to it.

[1326] That was kind of my thing that I was happy about this week.

[1327] No, it's not.

[1328] No, it's not.

[1329] But yes, it's not.

[1330] It's something else.

[1331] But you have been listening to it?

[1332] I started listening to it.

[1333] Like all around the house.

[1334] I can't stop.

[1335] I forgot to mention this in the beginning.

[1336] Okay, we'll have to talk about it after.

[1337] Okay.

[1338] Okay.

[1339] But fire lover's next because this story is so fucking crazy.

[1340] Take it.

[1341] Okay.

[1342] But as I wrote, I'm taking the chronology and the shape of the story from the original gangster forensic file.

[1343] Hey, girl.

[1344] Okay.

[1345] Um, Okay, so this episode starts, and so I shall start on October 10th, 1984, because it's very good storytelling to start it on the day that the San Diego Padres are playing the Detroit Tigers in the World Series.

[1346] Oh, everyone remembers that.

[1347] Actually, that Vince remembers exactly where he was.

[1348] I'm sure he does, right?

[1349] Detroit boy and all.

[1350] And I believe they were playing in San Diego, so, or maybe not.

[1351] No, no, no. Oh, that's Vince.

[1352] It doesn't matter.

[1353] Steven, Stephen, Stephen.

[1354] Okay.

[1355] So it starts on October 10th, 1984.

[1356] The San Diego Padres are playing the Detroit Tigers in the World Series.

[1357] And there's a hardware store in South Pasadena called Oli's.

[1358] I don't know if you remember that chain of hardware stores.

[1359] It's like a, you know.

[1360] No, it's basically like old school Home Depot.

[1361] Sure.

[1362] So they interview a guy named Jim Obdam, who worked there in high school.

[1363] And he's talking about how he notices nobody's there because the world's series and the Padres are playing in the world series so every there's no business except for like a few people scattered around the store a few women probably what's that a few women probably right um so he hears an emergency message over the PA and then the fire alarm starts going off and so he looks he goes out into like the aisle and looks down and there's a huge plume of smoke coming from like the back of the store whatever and so he turns and he starts helping the few customers that are there to try to get them out the fire exit doors.

[1364] And as they're trying to walk toward it, it just becomes a wall of flames.

[1365] And the entire store is like up and fully engulfed like immediately.

[1366] He said it happened so fast.

[1367] He got out of the store, but he had really bad burns on one arm.

[1368] He said he touched his arm and skin just came off.

[1369] No, no. Yes.

[1370] So he gets out, but four people got trapped in and killed in that fire.

[1371] Oh my God.

[1372] Two customers, grandmother ate a deal and her two -year -old grandson, Matthew Troidal, and then two employees, 17 -year -old Jamie Satina and 26 -year -old Carolyn Kraus.

[1373] They all died in that fire.

[1374] Oh, my God.

[1375] So the official explanation was that it was an electrical fire.

[1376] But the arson investigator from the Glendale fire department was on the scene.

[1377] He believed it was arson right off the bat.

[1378] He took pictures.

[1379] He documented the whole scene.

[1380] When they were saying, we think it's an electrical fire.

[1381] He was arguing with them.

[1382] So then January 1987, there's another fire at a different Oli's hardware store.

[1383] And this fire, so this is like three years later.

[1384] Okay.

[1385] Two and a half, three years later.

[1386] Um, this one is set in the foam padding section.

[1387] Um, oh God.

[1388] Yeah.

[1389] And then the same day, 90 miles away in Bakersfield, there's a fire at a craft mart store.

[1390] Um, and in the Bakersfield's fire, um, Captain Marvin Casey arrives at the scene at that fire.

[1391] And, um, he finds in a bin of dry flowers, a slow -burning incendiary device, which was three matches wrapped around a lit cigarette with binder paper rubber -banded around the outside of all of it, and then put into the dry flowers.

[1392] So when the cigarette gets down to the butt, it lights the matches on fire?

[1393] Yep.

[1394] And then the matches light the paper.

[1395] And it's the whole thing is just this very rudimentary, slow -burning incendiary device.

[1396] But you would never, that you would never look, like, know to look for.

[1397] Right, exactly.

[1398] I'm so sorry.

[1399] Elvis is eating the French fries that are on the counter.

[1400] Sorry.

[1401] He's going to vomit those on the bed in the middle of the night if those are not.

[1402] Thank you, Stephen.

[1403] I think we should leave that in.

[1404] I don't know, though, because you're like, I'm so sorry.

[1405] Elvis is eating, like, Stephen, go get that.

[1406] I mean, look at me. I'm not getting up.

[1407] I don't want to be rude.

[1408] George's feet are above her head.

[1409] She is so reclined.

[1410] Oh, I have a pillow between my legs.

[1411] Okay.

[1412] Sorry.

[1413] No, no. Okay.

[1414] So they find that incendiary advice in the dried flowers that Marvin Casey does.

[1415] And then on the binder paper, he finds a fingerprint.

[1416] So he sends that off to the lab.

[1417] And they're like, we have to get that fingerprint.

[1418] But it is the 80s, remember?

[1419] so everything's like a hundred years old dear Xerox it's the Xerox version of everything everything's a fax machine everything is a carbon copy of a carbon copy yeah it's like dittos okay um so while marvin casey is at the scene of that fire at the craft smart store he hears on the radio a second fire breaks out at a different fabric store in Bakersfield so um The investigators that went to that fire found that that was also intentionally set with a slope burning incendiary device in the pillow and foam rubber section of the store.

[1420] There were other suspicious fires in the neighboring towns north of Bakersfield to Lari and Fresno.

[1421] So it's basically all these cities up and down Highway 99, which is basically in California, there's the five that goes up and down the entire state, which is what you drive when you're going from L .A. to San Francisco and you want.

[1422] to go 95 miles an hour the whole time the 99 is further east and it's it's more of a two lane highway and you take that one when you're just smoking a bunch of grass okay uh so marvin casey hears the reports on the radio and then he remembers there's an arson investigator's convention in fresno that weekend oh my god and so um he realizes that all of these fires are going up and down the 99 ending in Fresno because Fresno's the northern most of all the cities that that was happening in and so he goes he's thinking what if this arsonist is a fireman and he goes to his bosses and explains this theory to them and they're like you're fucking crazy that's insane it's that's not true like you know they're they're so not into that theory.

[1423] They were like think inside the matchbox come on, but he was thinking outside the matchbox.

[1424] Oh, oh, I get it.

[1425] Oh, God.

[1426] They basically say he's crazy.

[1427] Okay.

[1428] That's what they say.

[1429] So, uh, so they find matching, slow burning incendiary devices that match the craft mart and the ole fires.

[1430] Um, then they take the print, uh, he takes a print that's found.

[1431] It's entered into APIS, but there's no matches in the national database.

[1432] So, um, he asks if he can cross check all the first.

[1433] fingerprints of the people who are at that arson investigation convention with this one fingerprint and they say no um they said your theory is impossible and ridiculous okay so two years later in march of 1989 there's another spate of fires um this one's up and down the 101 and it's further north um Marvin casey once again sees that there's an arson invest is an investigation symposium in pacific grove so this is up by Monterey from what I looked on the map, unless there's another Pacific Grove.

[1434] So basically what Marvin Casey does is he narrows down a list of 10 people who are at the first arson symposium and the most recent arson symposium.

[1435] I don't know if that's correct terminology.

[1436] I would have guessed that he was, that whoever was doing the fires was like mocking them or fucking with the people, the firefighters at the symposium.

[1437] Right.

[1438] Could be.

[1439] But he didn't.

[1440] you mean like burning nearby like how you can't get yeah yeah like you guys are all here and yet i'm still being well anything's possible at this point of the story except for my possibility that's no you're right i mean i think that's just so fascinating yeah to be thought of that right okay so he he uh he makes the list of the 10 people who are at both um and he finally they start working, there's been so many fires at this point, they bring in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and firearms.

[1441] And so he gets ATF to cross -check the fingerprints with the one found on the incendiary device, there's no match.

[1442] So it confirmed that Marvin Casey's theory is no good.

[1443] His bosses are like, okay, are you going to drop this now?

[1444] Because that was your chance to prove it and your theory's wrong.

[1445] So then two years later, June of 1990, there's the college hills fire.

[1446] This is a fire that was in those hills above Glendale.

[1447] It burned 67 houses.

[1448] Holy shit.

[1449] It's one of the biggest wildfires in California history.

[1450] And it was proven to be arson.

[1451] So by the year's end, by the end of 1990, it was clear that this arsonist was added again.

[1452] And finally, the ATF assigned special agent, I'm doing it too.

[1453] Special agent Mike Matassa to the case, he, in starting to work on it and look through all of the evidence and the facts, finds out about Marvin Casey's theory, and he thinks it's a good theory.

[1454] So he goes back, he sees that the fingerprint didn't match anybody's.

[1455] So he has the idea that this time he's going to cross -check that one fingerprint with anyone who's ever applied for a job with the city.

[1456] So instead of being those specific dudes, it's.

[1457] just if it is a fireman or whoever it could possibly be we'll know if we cross -check it with the city fingerprints it could be the fucking fire receptionist it could be the fucking Dalmatian could be the trainer why didn't you notice that there were five little pads that's those points of the points of comparison or whatever they call it okay so um so yeah because you have to get your finger printed when you apply for a job with the city, comes back with a match.

[1458] The match is a man named John Orr, who is the arson investigator for the Glendale Fire Department.

[1459] Was he the guy at the first scene?

[1460] Second scene.

[1461] Yes.

[1462] At the first story I told, it's the guy that was there immediately saying this is arson.

[1463] He was calling it out as arson?

[1464] Yes.

[1465] Yes.

[1466] Tell me everything.

[1467] Okay.

[1468] This is, okay, at this point when they do this reveal in forensic files, I was like wait so what because they do it so perfectly that you're like but who could this be this is super weird or it's someone that wants to be a fireman yeah because it wouldn't be the person that just makes no sense that the person they're like it was arson i know because i did it like that doesn't right you're like you're kind of stupid or you're so smart well it's it's it's that thing of like how serial killers get so narcissistic and so you know they're psychopaths um so they think they're smarter than everybody they don't think they're ever going to get caught and they really are it's part of the joy of doing it is being setting it and then being the first one there to explain to everybody how it happened or showing up and thinking someone else is going to be like it's arson but everyone else like it's natural it's like no give me credit for how smart I am yes they're just saying it's fucking no look around isn't you see that thing burning over here look over in the pillows.

[1469] Okay, so here's the deal with John Orr.

[1470] He applied to be a Los Angeles policeman first.

[1471] He all his life wanted to be a policeman.

[1472] He passed every test except for the psychological exam.

[1473] Uh -oh.

[1474] Yeah.

[1475] That can't be that hard to cheat, right?

[1476] I mean, his psych profile, here's the quote from it, from the results of that test.

[1477] It says he's a schizoid person who is withdrawn from people, and may have sexual confusion on his orientation.

[1478] Mm -hmm.

[1479] That comes out in a cop test?

[1480] I don't understand.

[1481] I want to take it.

[1482] Can we get the LAPD to send us to cop tests?

[1483] Not the one where you have to climb over a wall dry.

[1484] No, no, no, no, no. That one I fucking hate.

[1485] You know when they scramble straight up like a wooden wall?

[1486] Yeah.

[1487] I want to light that wooden wall on fire.

[1488] Yes, with a slow burning incendiary device.

[1489] And take a psychological test where I get to sit indoors in the air conditioning.

[1490] And pass it.

[1491] And pass it with line.

[1492] colors.

[1493] Okay, so then he applies to be an L .A. Fire department.

[1494] Okay.

[1495] A fireman.

[1496] He applies to be the department.

[1497] He wants to become the entire department.

[1498] He applies to be a fireman in L .A., but he can't pass the physical.

[1499] Yeah.

[1500] Which, I mean, could anyone?

[1501] For real, because also, it's not just being a fireman, but you're in a fireman in L .A. Oh, my God.

[1502] Where it's kind of like the cream of the crop anyway in terms of people a lot of people come here with big muscles sure anyhow and email Karen at if you're one of those how big are your muscles let me know yeah because I'm super into that I know that's what you're going to do big muscles totally okay so he doesn't pass the physical he's crushed so then he kind of like lays low for a while and he applies to the Glendale Fire Department, which is less tony and exciting and statusy, obviously, than the L .A. Fire Department, and probably easier to get into.

[1503] So he gets in, and he actually does very well, and he quickly is promoted to captain, and then eventually to arson investigator.

[1504] So John Orr was also on Marvin Casey's list of the 10, 10 people who were at both of those arson conferences, yep.

[1505] And later on they found that the only reason his fingerprint didn't match, it was just like a lab mistake.

[1506] It was the same fingerprint.

[1507] Oh, yeah.

[1508] So that was almost, and also then I thought, ooh, or did somebody go, this can't get out or this can't be found out?

[1509] Sure.

[1510] Although that'd be insane because then it's like, but then we'll let all of Glendale burn just to hide this one fact.

[1511] Maybe it won't happen again.

[1512] Oh, my bad.

[1513] Dang it.

[1514] 67 houses.

[1515] So after seven years of arson fires, they finally have a suspect.

[1516] But the fingerprint only puts him at one of the fires, so they have to put him under surveillance.

[1517] So it's so hilarious in this forensic files.

[1518] They talk all about GPS versus the tracker that they use on his car.

[1519] And they're explaining GPS.

[1520] Because no one knew what it was.

[1521] This man talking about, like, satellite technology as such, where I was like, oh, my God, we live, like, in this triple future.

[1522] Totally.

[1523] Compared to 1993 or whenever this.

[1524] Okay.

[1525] It's just so weird.

[1526] I love it.

[1527] So this is basically what happened.

[1528] And I wish I couldn't find anything else about the specifics of this day.

[1529] And I so wish I could.

[1530] Also, I tried, I'll talk about it after.

[1531] They find his car.

[1532] They locate.

[1533] so they put a tracker on his car and they find once they get all this information they're like find him now he has to be off the street you know um they find that he's not the warner brothers lot in burbank and soon after they locate his car there a fire breaks out on one of the tv show sets are you kidding me i swear to god and i was like which one was it alf like you don't know i thought you're going to make me guess no i wish i could oh someone's got to know this someone's got to know this Someone's got to know.

[1534] And that's why I was going to say.

[1535] It could be in, there was a made for HBO movie called Point of Origin, starring Ray Leota, playing this guy.

[1536] Radical.

[1537] And I'm, I'm sure it's in there.

[1538] But the only, I could find no versions of it, not on HBO Go, nowhere, not on.

[1539] On YouTube, there's a version of it.

[1540] Have you ever seen this?

[1541] Where people illegally upload movies.

[1542] And so they put it into almost like a mortis.

[1543] So it's a TV screen like yours.

[1544] but turn to the side the speed of the movie is speeded up like times two so it's Ray Leota being like get over here and take a look at this evidence like everything's going really fast I have no idea about that and also there's an Asian girl standing there with a remote control pointed at the TV like that's all static and then the movie's happening in the screen you have to see it it's hilarious if you look if you look up point of origin okay that's how that's that's a 1990s ripoff of a movie is that that's how you pirate a movie in 1991 I tried to watch it for like four minutes and I was like this is not fucking worth it I feel like I'm about to go insane okay so anyway um but someone can and I bet you in that they say exactly what show they're on so anyhow he leads okay so basically they find that he's at the Warner Brothers lot then they get the alarm a fire is broken out on the Warner Brothers lot elf is on fire elf's burning his whole back is on fire someone get over there right away.

[1545] Which is funny because there is a fire department on the Warner Brothers lot.

[1546] There's actually like a fire truck and a firehouse and everything right there.

[1547] Anyhow, ask me anything.

[1548] So they track him driving away from the Warner Brothers lot.

[1549] And then when he gets the official call on his radio at home, he drives back.

[1550] But the radio operator gave the wrong address.

[1551] So she's like, there's a fire at did he do -da -da -do.

[1552] He drives straight back to the Warner Brothers lot.

[1553] they did that on purpose yes well they say it was they say um bullshit they make it sound like it was it was the dispatcher's mistake but i bet you that was the test yeah um because you don't need to know the address of the warner brother's lot it's like the main thing in burbank totally anyhow that's when they knew it was absolutely him because he with being given a different address still went to where the fire was yeah so they're like arrest him now so that's they're like all right i just said that okay um So they get a search warrant for his home and car, and then inside a briefcase, they find matches, binder paper, cigarettes, and rubber bands.

[1554] Oh, you ding -dong.

[1555] He claims it's a coincidence and that he's totally innocent.

[1556] In his home, they find home video that starts with a shot of a beautiful hillside home.

[1557] And it's like, it runs like that for like a couple minutes.

[1558] And then it stops and it starts up again at the same home 18 months later burning to the ground.

[1559] so it was all like planned 18 months he had planned it it's so crazy okay so then they they also find in his house a manuscript for a book called points of origin that he's writing he go ahead he wrote it he's writing a book about what do you think the book's about um where he's from in europe his point of origin it's a book about it's a book investigator who's actually really a serial arsonist.

[1560] Does Ray Leota in the book version play him already?

[1561] What do you mean?

[1562] In the book version?

[1563] Because Ray Leop...

[1564] Never mind.

[1565] That's the movie name from HBO.

[1566] That's exactly right.

[1567] So he's writing it?

[1568] Well, yeah, but it's not...

[1569] He didn't write the movie version.

[1570] Because that would have been cool.

[1571] Like, well, just use his.

[1572] He even said Cassaray Leota, and so we're going to do it.

[1573] No, they basically go to his house and find a script that is his story, but with a different name.

[1574] The arson investigator's name is Aaron Stiles.

[1575] But here's the, there's a list of similarities between the book and the facts of the case.

[1576] Both are firefighters, both are non -smokers, both, this is from a legal document.

[1577] Both use a delay incendiary device designed to fully ignite the fire approximately 10 to 15 minutes after the device is in place.

[1578] In one draft of the manuscript, it describes a match attached to a cigarette and placed inside a paper bag similar to the actual facts of the binder paper match of the binder paper.

[1579] Both start fires in retail stores located in Los Angeles during business hours.

[1580] Both place the incendiary device in combustible materials located in the store.

[1581] Both start fires in the drapery section at a Los Angeles fabric store.

[1582] Both start fires in display of styrofoam products.

[1583] Oh my gosh.

[1584] Both start fires in hardware stores.

[1585] Both start fires in several retail stores in close proximity to one another within a short span of time on the same day.

[1586] Both start fires in the same locations while both the character and the actual arsonist were traveling to or from arson investigators conferences in Fresno.

[1587] Oh my.

[1588] So he's like he's admitting to the whole thing.

[1589] Yes.

[1590] In his stupid script.

[1591] It's basically a script called my diary of being a serial arsonist.

[1592] And he's, does he say it's a coincidence?

[1593] Yeah.

[1594] It's such a strange coincidence.

[1595] Uh, what's not in that document, but what is in the script is that his lead character sets these fires, um, and then writes about watching them with an erection or while masturbating.

[1596] And one scene in the manuscript, he can't get an erection until he starts a fire.

[1597] What if that were your, what if that were true?

[1598] What if that were your thing?

[1599] What if that was your thing?

[1600] What if you couldn't?

[1601] How do you figure that out?

[1602] And then how do you make it work?

[1603] And then like, don't.

[1604] Well, you know what it is?

[1605] Just don't get an erection anymore.

[1606] It's fine.

[1607] I don't know.

[1608] I don't know if that's, I don't know if that's fine.

[1609] That's not an option for some people?

[1610] Who would it be for?

[1611] I mean, look.

[1612] Listen.

[1613] Listen.

[1614] At one point in the book, he describes his lead character raping and killing a woman and then burning her in her car.

[1615] Authorities found a similar cold case where the body of a woman was found raped and murdered in a burnt out car, but they couldn't find any hard evidence to connect John Orwell.

[1616] with that crime.

[1617] Also in the book, the main character talked about setting several fires at once so that the firemen would be overwhelmed, allowing him to watch one of the fires burn freely until it was totally out of control.

[1618] Oh, my God.

[1619] And that same character also talked about one of the victims of one of the fires he sets being a two -year -old boy named Matthew.

[1620] Are you serious?

[1621] So the exact victim of one of his fires, he's really.

[1622] writing about in this script.

[1623] And that was the detail that cinched it for the investigators.

[1624] They were just like, so he's arrested and he's charged with numerous counts of arson and four counts of first degree murder.

[1625] In 1998, he's sentenced to life in prison plus 20 years without the possibility of parole.

[1626] He has never admitted that he's guilty.

[1627] What?

[1628] Which is one of the many signs that he's a psychopath.

[1629] He's motivated by his ego, by delusions of grandeur.

[1630] He believes that he's smarter and better than everyone.

[1631] No remorse, no guilt.

[1632] And he's a great actor and highly manipulative.

[1633] There's actually, I found a couple clips of him talking.

[1634] He got interviewed.

[1635] It's before he got caught.

[1636] Being interviewed and talking on the news about one of the fires.

[1637] And he's, you would, he's one of these kind of people the way he speaks, even though he's not like that exciting of a person, you can tell.

[1638] how he is, like, so kind of strangely alluring.

[1639] He's very sharp and very clear -eyed and very, like, knows all the details.

[1640] He's a real expert.

[1641] Really, yeah, really interested in what, yeah.

[1642] Crazy.

[1643] So, ATF agent Mike Matassa believes that between 1984 and 1991, John Orr set at least 2 ,000 fires.

[1644] What?

[1645] And perhaps up to 10 ,000 fires.

[1646] The fuck.

[1647] Some arson investigators.

[1648] and an FBI criminal profiler have deemed ore to be one of the worst American serial arsonist of the 20th century.

[1649] Before his arrest, the average number of brush fires in the hills above Glendale and Burbank were 67 a year.

[1650] After his arrest, that number dropped 2 .3.

[1651] Oh, my fucking God.

[1652] So he was doing all of them for almost a decade.

[1653] It was all him, essentially.

[1654] oh and then I just started watching a video about what it actually means to be a psychopath because we've had so many discussions about psychopaths, sociopaths, all the different languages that we use and it's basically the psychopath.

[1655] What I think is super interesting is that they have absolutely no empathy or connection to other people's feelings and it's that thing where like to imagine like you could kind a breakdown of like so you're an arsonist you're you have like almost like a sexual fetish for fire so you're forced to to set these fires that's one thing where you're just like you can't control it to set a fire during business hours of a large business and then four people get trapped inside that fire and die and you still write about them like it's fiction like it's just this fun idea you have like he has absolutely no connection to other human beings does that mean that Does that mean that they don't have feelings like us either?

[1656] Like, if you can't be empathetic towards other people's feelings, does it mean you don't know what it's like to be sad?

[1657] You don't know what it's like to be happy or angry or...

[1658] No, I think they have their own feelings.

[1659] They just don't understand.

[1660] So this is kind of interesting.

[1661] And this could be completely off, but this is my own personal theory.

[1662] Because my therapist is really into, like, all that brain research and how, like, a lot of times we blame ourselves for just what our natural brain does so like people are like I'm super anxious but actually like our brain our amygdala like is set to it trains us to look for for predators constantly so if you're not thinking about the past if you're not like going over what you did the last time you tried to go hunt a bison or whatever then if you're in the present you're just scanning for danger and that's our natural brain set It's either reviewing the past for mistakes or scanning the present or possible future for danger.

[1663] These days, people think that means I'm crazy when it's like, no, no, that's the natural set point of your brain.

[1664] I'm anxious.

[1665] It's like, no, you're just constantly scanning for things that could go wrong.

[1666] Right.

[1667] And maybe you're overdoing it because of whatever reasons, but it's normal to be like that.

[1668] But I think part of the reason people think they're overdoing it is because people think they're supposed to be at some Zen neutral.

[1669] nothing where it's like no an active mind is a natural thing yeah especially a mind that's like be careful be careful be careful that makes me feel better yeah it's like why we're alive it's why we our ancestors lived and other people died because that part of their brain didn't work as well yeah motherfuckers it's not as bad as you think but so this other part there's lots of theory that she she told me that made me very happy but the other one was we have this thing called mirror neurons that they're just kind of now like doing research on and understanding but it's the thing of like when you watch one of those videos of a soldier coming home and his dog losing its shit right oh my god and it just makes you cry yeah that's because that's not happening to you yeah but your brain doesn't know that because your brain is watching another human being which it looks like you and seems like you go through an experience that the mirror neuron goes this is what it feels like when this happens and then like right now i'm getting tingles thinking about those videos because my brain goes it's you when you are taking in that information the way your brain processes it is that you're having these emotions that that person's having exactly because you're empathetic and you can understand exactly and that's how we stay connected and that's how we make sure we have food every night and shelter is because you need human connection yeah to survive like it's tribe mentality it's it's survival instincts right psychopaths haven't well I shouldn't say that because now I'm making shit up but one would say that they don't they're not that ability we know i was about to say they don't have mirror neurons i know nothing about um that brain chemistry or anything but they we know for a fact they don't have empathy so when they watch a soldier come home and its dog loses its shit and all those things they just are watching a video of two things touching each other so it's not like they they get mad he clearly has sexual feelings he has he wants to be famous he wrote this thing he wants different things he just has no connectors to the people around him and know he doesn't understand if something happens to that person it feels the same to them as it does or something that happens to him wow that's heavy i over explained that but um i really felt like an expert and sometimes you just want to keep on feeling like an expert if there's any corrections corners for that save it just let me be right this one time have some empathy if you have empathy you wouldn't correct corner that come on i'm going to go ahead and say you were right thank you I mean, I think I was at least in the ballpark this time.

[1670] Yeah.

[1671] Well, also because I watch her really good there's some real good videos.

[1672] This can be my good thing of the week.

[1673] Okay.

[1674] It's, I found these videos that are just, you know those ones, they explain something with an illustration?

[1675] Oh, there's someone talking, but it's being drawn.

[1676] Yes, I get it now.

[1677] You put an arrow to a thing.

[1678] Yes.

[1679] And suddenly it's clear.

[1680] Oh, you just have a little IKEA guy that's actually acting it out.

[1681] Now I get it.

[1682] He has a happy face and a sad face.

[1683] And that's how you know how he's feeling.

[1684] But no hair for some reason.

[1685] Too much.

[1686] So I found a series of videos by the people who make them.

[1687] It's called Psych 2, the number 2 go.

[1688] And so it's like, what does it mean to be a psychopath or how to know if you're dating a sociopath or, you know, how to deal with your anxiety, whatever?

[1689] But then I'm like, what is psych to go?

[1690] I've never heard of you before.

[1691] So I start looking into that.

[1692] it brings me to a website that says psychology by millennials for millennials.

[1693] Oh, and then it kicked you out.

[1694] It's like, enter your birth date.

[1695] Get out of here, grandma.

[1696] This is for us.

[1697] You had to enter your birthday.

[1698] And it's like, eh, yeah, sorry.

[1699] Get out.

[1700] Sorry.

[1701] It made me laugh so hard that it's like, finally, psychology for me. Psychology I can relate to.

[1702] Yeah.

[1703] But actually it seems like a good website.

[1704] Yeah.

[1705] I was just trying to make sure it wasn't, like, secretly Scientology or something.

[1706] Sure, sure.

[1707] And then I was like, and anyways, kill, kill, kill, Karen.

[1708] And then send us the money.

[1709] Yeah.

[1710] No, it wasn't that.

[1711] That's sweet.

[1712] My positive thing is that Vince and I are going away for my birthday for a couple days, and I just can't wait to get out of the city and go antiquing.

[1713] I'm going to eat so much food.

[1714] Maybe there'll be a massage in there.

[1715] Oh, hey.

[1716] I just didn't need it out of town for a day or two.

[1717] That's going to be so nice.

[1718] And you're going to be by the ocean, right?

[1719] Yeah.

[1720] So you get to have some of them negative ions, which is real good for you.

[1721] Does that happen?

[1722] That's the ocean air.

[1723] That's why ocean air always feels good and makes you feel refreshed.

[1724] It's them negative ions that we don't get in this polluted city.

[1725] Ugh, I'm into it.

[1726] That's great.

[1727] Okay.

[1728] Okay, bye.

[1729] No, wait, that was fun.

[1730] Should we wrap it up?

[1731] I feel like we didn't wrap it up correctly.

[1732] And that was good.

[1733] I like your fire story.

[1734] Thank you.

[1735] I'm going to watch that.

[1736] The whole time in my mind, I was like picturing how the forensic files would look.

[1737] Yeah.

[1738] So as you were telling it to me, I was like, oh, yeah.

[1739] And then this thing would have, like, how bad the, like, reenactments probably were from the 90s.

[1740] And yes, there was a lot of, um, they had a lot of home video.

[1741] Oh, okay.

[1742] With the dawn of, like, real.

[1743] Because it was his home video.

[1744] Yes.

[1745] He would go to the fucking fires and set up his video camera.

[1746] Dude.

[1747] Or his, he had a lot of like hard copy photos.

[1748] Fuck.

[1749] Yeah.

[1750] It's the craziest, like, I think that might be my favorite is the person that's been wearing a mask and then doing horrifying things.

[1751] And no one knows.

[1752] And like, it's almost like people don't want to know.

[1753] Yeah.

[1754] I wish someone would talk to him.

[1755] It's crazy that he's still alive and like, how's all this information but won't even, like, admit to it so we can, like, figure him out.

[1756] oh no in his mind he's he it's another one of those things he's being victimized he's completely innocent he has never admitted to anything oh so i wonder what that is all about too he's a psychopath they don't admit they're they're even if he knows does he know he did it yeah oh yeah absolutely how can you think he's tricking anyone he's in jail over the rest of his life i guess well he did trick people for so long and it's the that's part of the mental illness right is like they're They think they're kind of the king of the world.

[1757] Well, shit.

[1758] I mean, fuck.

[1759] Don't do it.

[1760] Look.

[1761] Stay away.

[1762] If you do anything, if you don't do anything, please let it be light everything on fire.

[1763] Yeah.

[1764] Right?

[1765] You've heard me say that of milk and tongue.

[1766] It's not your lower back tattoo?

[1767] It wraps all the way around my haunch.

[1768] Your cackles.

[1769] I don't want to get my cockles up.

[1770] Well, thanks for listening, you guys.

[1771] You guys are the fucking sweetest.

[1772] You're number one.

[1773] Number one, Stephen, thank you.

[1774] Stephen, thank you for all your accents this week.

[1775] And pretty good, thanks.

[1776] Oh, there was a moment of thinking.

[1777] Mimi, thank you for your input this week.

[1778] Come on now.

[1779] This one, Mimi?

[1780] All right.

[1781] Mimi's like, no, I'm not that one.

[1782] No comment.

[1783] And I think, well, I did that I broke this microphone.

[1784] So that was great.

[1785] You yanked it right down on that thing.

[1786] I didn't mean to.

[1787] Well, thanks for listening, you guys.

[1788] Yeah, stay sexy.

[1789] And don't get murdered.

[1790] Elvis?

[1791] Want cookie?

[1792] Meow!

[1793] Mimi, want cookie?

[1794] That was Elvis.

[1795] Mimi?

[1796] Oh.

[1797] Okay, bye.