#516 - Lewis, from Unbox Therapy

[0] The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day, Joe Rogan, podcast by night, all day.

[1] I love when the dude shows up at a podcast and he's got a bunch of shit that if I saw on a shelf, I'd be like, ooh, what's that?

[2] Yeah, I figured coming straight from Google I .O. that it would make a lot of sense to bring some of this stuff inside.

[3] Would have been a shame to leave it out there.

[4] It's their developers' conference, so it's focused on bringing together people that are making apps sort of Google -centric.

[5] type of applications, but it's also turned into a consumer -facing conference because a lot of people are paying attention at that time.

[6] I think they had a million concurrent streamers of the actual event.

[7] So a million.

[8] A million worldwide.

[9] Concurrent.

[10] Jesus Christ.

[11] I know.

[12] That's incredible.

[13] It sounded like too much to me, but I'm not going to question Google.

[14] Well, that's a good television show on HBO, right?

[15] Isn't it?

[16] I mean, like, what does Game of Thrones get on Sunday night?

[17] I don't think they do it.

[18] I don't think, I don't know if they do it concurrent, I guess it would be.

[19] I would imagine.

[20] I mean, a lot of his DVR in this day and age.

[21] That's what I was wondering.

[22] Almost everything's DVR.

[23] So it has to be an event where you sort of feel like you need to capture it or catch it live or else you're going to miss something.

[24] Whereas, I mean, you could watch the Google I .O. conference after.

[25] But, yeah, a lot of people paying a lot of attention to the things they were doing.

[26] What do those Macworld conferences?

[27] Those are the big ones, right?

[28] What are those?

[29] Not anymore.

[30] They're not big.

[31] Not anymore.

[32] W .W .D .C. Apple holds its own conferences now.

[33] So Macworld was actually like an independent body, and they just used it as a vehicle to introduce new products.

[34] It was like a convention for Apple and Apple -related stuff.

[35] Right.

[36] And they decided to opt out of all third -party conventions.

[37] They're not at CES in any form.

[38] Apple's not.

[39] Apple, they want to control the entire experience.

[40] And so many of them happen on their campus, and then some happen in downtown San Francisco, like Google I .O. That's a big point of debate and dispute, isn't it?

[41] with Apple.

[42] Yeah, the controlled environment?

[43] Yeah.

[44] Definitely.

[45] For sure.

[46] I mean, there's good sides and bad sides to that kind of approach.

[47] Obviously, controlling the entire software and hardware experience means that you're going to get a product that generally is fairly polished, but from an innovation standpoint, it means you're sort of cutting off your limbs in a sense that you're not bringing people into that development circle that might have otherwise been there because it is sort of a walled garden effect.

[48] Yeah, isn't that fascinating?

[49] I always remember back in the day when the clones were legal.

[50] Oh, right.

[51] Apple clones.

[52] You'd be able to go, and there were stores that would construct you an Apple computer.

[53] You mean like semi -recently, like Hackintoshes, they were called.

[54] Yeah, well, not even semi -recently.

[55] A long time ago.

[56] It used to be actual retail distributors.

[57] Right, right, right.

[58] Used to sell Mac products, but way more powerful than Apple was making it.

[59] Right, right, right.

[60] They would sell them with five fucking hard drives and souped up.

[61] I built a couple of them myself.

[62] Did you really?

[63] way back.

[64] And then Apple just put the cabosh on that.

[65] Yeah.

[66] I can almost remember the name of the big company.

[67] It was like either Cylon or Si, Cy something.

[68] Yes.

[69] I think it was Cylon.

[70] And there was some kind of court case and they had to stop.

[71] I don't think you want to go up against Apple in court.

[72] Well, back then Apple was way weaker, but still formidable.

[73] Still scary as hell, yeah.

[74] But they, so they now are the one computer.

[75] But the problem is, if you look at it from the product point of view.

[76] Right.

[77] They make the best shit.

[78] They just do.

[79] They make the best laptops.

[80] They make the best laptops.

[81] They make the shit that crashes the least.

[82] They make the operating system that's the most beautiful.

[83] I would say they make the best shit for the most people.

[84] For the most people.

[85] Yeah, because I think that if you really want to get in there and tinker, if you're like a heavy -duty power user, then a lot of this, like you look at this MacBook Air or your MacBook Pro, there's so much of it that's embedded.

[86] It requires the entire package top, or you want to go in there and put more ram in it or something or swap out a hard drive.

[87] It's not going to happen.

[88] You've got to bring it somewhere.

[89] And the geniuses, the Apple geniuses.

[90] How pretentious?

[91] Look, I love Apple, but how fucking dare you?

[92] How do you feel about the Apple store experience in general?

[93] I enjoy it, you know, for the most part.

[94] Right.

[95] I think it's a very busy place when it comes to selling computers.

[96] Remember when Windows tried to have a Windows store?

[97] I think they're still trying.

[98] You could coyote hunting there.

[99] Yeah, right.

[100] He could fucking find coyotes hiding out of that.

[101] Nobody in those fucking things.

[102] thing.

[103] No, I took a picture of an empty one before and tweeted it out and everybody got it.

[104] They're not known for selling hardware, right?

[105] They were a software company.

[106] You see a Microsoft sign in a mall.

[107] It's like, what am I buying here?

[108] Well, as an ignorant person, ignorant to as far as development of a product, like a laptop.

[109] I'm pretty ignorant.

[110] I don't know too much other than the things I vaguely paid attention to online.

[111] What is stopping someone from making like a super high -end Windows laptop that looks like this that feels like this.

[112] Oh, there are so many that look and feel like this.

[113] Are this high quality?

[114] And they give you the same experience.

[115] No, because you're running Windows.

[116] That's right.

[117] Well, here's the thing.

[118] Why is Windows so much worse?

[119] They have so much money.

[120] They drop the ball.

[121] How bad did they drop it?

[122] Pretty bad.

[123] I don't think...

[124] After the Windows M .E. experience of 19...

[125] It's not just like they dropped the ball.

[126] They dropped it and then they shit on it and then they fell on it.

[127] And then they broke their hip.

[128] I know.

[129] I mean, I don't want to speak for everyone, but I don't recall any experience with Windows where I cracked open a laptop lid and felt that kind of experience ever.

[130] So even when XP was the thing, or even before that, 95 or however far back you want to go, you didn't get that same pleasure you get out of booting up an Apple product and getting into the OS and seeing the cohesion of the whole thing.

[131] Windows, even in the old days, was sort of like a necessary evil.

[132] Windows was the way to get to the shit you actually liked, whether you wanted to load a game or a web browser or whatever.

[133] But on its own, It's always been utilitarian.

[134] It's always been ugly.

[135] Yeah, I always envy the dudes who ran NT.

[136] The Windows NT guys.

[137] It was the guys who are really new things.

[138] Oh, right.

[139] Right, right.

[140] He's running NT.

[141] Oh, NT.

[142] There's a bunch of shit you couldn't get, like, drivers for certain video cards.

[143] Yeah.

[144] If you wanted to play games, if you ran NT, it'd be real issue as far as...

[145] People do that now with Linux.

[146] That's sort of the counterculture OS.

[147] Yeah, like, yeah, you know, off the grid, open source.

[148] Savages.

[149] Yeah.

[150] Yeah, IBM actually originally innovated that, and now I don't know who.

[151] I think it's just open source.

[152] I don't know if it's in anyone's hands now.

[153] I do think Apple is the best of making an operating system slowly die, like a cancer instead of just immediately.

[154] Like, I'm going through an experience right now where my IMac is just dying.

[155] It's the operating system is dying.

[156] I read it from scratch.

[157] I put new memory in it and stuff like that.

[158] The operating system is just saying, like, this model, you.

[159] need to replace it soon.

[160] This is the Brian Red Band conspiracy theory.

[161] An ongoing conspiracy theory comes to operating systems.

[162] But they do it with iPhones.

[163] Everyone knows you have an iPhone 4 and you get the new operating system.

[164] You've got all the new updates.

[165] That's going to be way slower.

[166] Even some programs might not work on.

[167] It's not always the case.

[168] There is, that does happen.

[169] There are sometimes things that happen within an OS that require more hardware to be able to perform at the same level of...

[170] Not in Brian's world.

[171] It's goddamn conspiracy.

[172] Trying to get people to buy these new fucking things.

[173] Well, I mean, if you want to get a Mac Pro, go for it.

[174] Like, they're beautiful things.

[175] But it seems like with this or with a Samsung Galaxy No3 or whatever, when new shit gets made, new possibilities, you're going to need more processing power.

[176] You're going to apps require more.

[177] The new videos that they're taking, the new photographs, where you take bursts of photographs, I mean, God, there's got to be some processing going on.

[178] You're going to need a faster shit rig.

[179] Yeah.

[180] That's just the way it is.

[181] There's no doubt that the, especially on.

[182] on the Apple products, but in general, there's this structure built in where the expectation is to upgrade your device every time that contract is up, right?

[183] Well, I think there's no option.

[184] If you're in the game, if you're in this loving electronics game that everyone in this room is in.

[185] We're all fucking Dorkenheimer's when it comes to new electronics.

[186] When you're in that game, you have to keep up.

[187] If you do not keep up, if you try to run an iPhone 3 on the newest iPhone software, it's just going to be clunky because the iPhone 3 didn't have near the capabilities.

[188] And these new applications, these new, the video that you can take, the photos you can take, the new weird things you could measure your heartbeat with your fucking, with your camera lens.

[189] With this watch.

[190] You could do it with your watch, but you can do it with your iPhone can do it, or an Android phone can do it just by holding your finger over the camera lens.

[191] And it measures your, Jamie showed it to me. I thought it was, I didn't think it would work.

[192] I don't think it's accurate.

[193] I don't believe it's accurate.

[194] Well, it's super accurate.

[195] I know I did it with a regular heart monitor.

[196] Yeah, I did it with a chest, heart monitor and I did it with that at the same time it's dead on.

[197] Wow.

[198] It's dead on.

[199] I have a new watch though that does it on your wrist.

[200] You don't have to wear a chest trap anymore.

[201] He's got the newest watch that we're just announced, which is amazing.

[202] You can see it on the bottom there.

[203] Yeah.

[204] That's the heart monitor on the bottom?

[205] Yeah, it's an optical.

[206] Ooh, that's so pretty.

[207] Let me see it.

[208] Oh, so pretty.

[209] How'd you make it green?

[210] It was green for a second.

[211] Oh, it might have just...

[212] Ooh, look at that.

[213] Yeah, it might have gone into like sleep mode or something.

[214] What's the model of that watch?

[215] So that's That's the gear live, they're calling it, which is kind of bizarre.

[216] They tried to get me into this at the Verizon store.

[217] I told him to go fuck themselves.

[218] Yeah, they probably tried to get you into the old version of it because this isn't even on the market yet.

[219] Ah, you devil, you're one of those guys.

[220] Yeah.

[221] Ooh, look at that collar.

[222] I made it, too.

[223] Oh, I made it go green.

[224] So, pretty.

[225] Yeah, the difference here between the previous Samsung watches and this one is this is the first to be running the open platform that Google has created.

[226] So not a modified version of software.

[227] It's running something called Android Wear.

[228] And what Google is hoping to do on your wrist is essentially replicate what they've done on the phone.

[229] And if you're looking at it, this is the wrist thing.

[230] That thing in there is the monitor.

[231] That's the hardware monitor.

[232] So it's optical.

[233] It's actually going to look under the surface of your skin.

[234] And it has like a clasp on the back that locks in the place.

[235] It's very well designed.

[236] It's crazy.

[237] And so the beauty of this going this direction with it is if you can build a platform, instead of a one -off device, then the likelihood that a developer will jump into it and build something really cool that you never foresaw happening is that much higher because of the mass market effect.

[238] If everyone's running the same software on their wrist, it's better for everyone.

[239] And so there's this kind of love -hate relationship between Samsung and Google over this because for the longest time, Samsung has been trying to diminish its reliance on Google as a whole, like for their brand, it's so essential for them to sell products.

[240] And so they've been moving into some different operating systems now that are not very good, but independent of Google.

[241] Yeah.

[242] This is awesome, man. Yeah.

[243] Yeah, so I can tell you some of what it does.

[244] I mean, it's not really that much new comparative to the old smartwatches.

[245] Essentially, you're going to get your notifications here.

[246] It has a microphone on it so that you can input voice commands, et cetera.

[247] So if you, for example, want to, text somebody back.

[248] You can catch the notification here, respond to the text right on your wrist and leave your phone in your pocket.

[249] They were saying on stage that they believe 70 % of our interaction with our device could be curbed by having one of these on your wrists.

[250] So essentially most of the day your phone could remain in your pocket.

[251] But I was talking earlier with Brian about how really the goal here, the end game, is preemptive computing.

[252] So the idea that this thing will know what you want to do before you know that you want to do it.

[253] And that's what Google now has been pushing in that direction.

[254] So your flight lands and it can estimate how long it's going to take you to get home.

[255] Or the proximity sensor says that you're in the airport so it looks at your travel itinerary and brings up your boarding pass right on your wrist.

[256] So those kinds of things are what make wearing something on your exterior more interesting where a buzz in your pocket is maybe not as effective as the information you can get here.

[257] So the travel distance and things along those lines, things that updates, those Google updates that you get on your phone, temperature, warnings.

[258] So things like that.

[259] But again, I don't know that we can necessarily imagine all the potential uses for preemptive computing.

[260] I mean, essentially, much like the Nest thermostat, I don't know if you've heard of that before.

[261] It's a really fancy thermostat you put in your house.

[262] And it's a learning thermostat.

[263] And they just took over the marketplace.

[264] They recently got acquired by Google, by the way.

[265] And one of their designers was one of the original guys who worked on iPod.

[266] so really there's a cool story there but uh anyways they acquired nest nest product is a learning thermostat that never needs to be programmed the programming is just you using it so you come it's wifi connected you come home and you adjust it and you don't realize there's patterns in your behavior that at three o 'clock you always like it to be a certain temperature and at six it's different and eventually it will draw out an algorithm to deal with your behavior at which point you no longer need to ever worry about it or touch it.

[267] The goal of the product is to require less and less interaction from you the more you use it.

[268] What's weird about NEST is that they also have these new products.

[269] They're now taking over washer and dryers.

[270] They're getting to the point where it is going to be like that old Flintstones where they control, they're the central computer of your house.

[271] And they're like, hello computer.

[272] What are you doing here?

[273] And they also have these smoke detectors that also do carbon monoxide and stuff like that.

[274] So they could even turn off and be like, oh, let's turn on the oven.

[275] Let's gas this guy and kill him.

[276] So Google's going to be able to murder us in our house in the future.

[277] Or warn you if someone's breaking in your house trying to murder you.

[278] Well, they just acquired Drop Cam, which is what I've been preaching about forever because Drop Cam is one of the greatest, I think, inventions in a long time.

[279] It's these little cameras that film amazing HD and that you can put all over your house that connect to your Wi -Fi.

[280] And then you get a text like, oh, somebody's walking through my house.

[281] You're sitting there watching full HD.

[282] it's recording in the cloud for you recording all the stuff and it could also learn certain things like just watch this part of the house you know if it's me walking around because it's doing detections of what kind of object motions it is do you shut all that off cover it with t -shirts when you fuck do you like do you put like socks over them if when I remember and then you can of course not he needs that he needs to have that in the cloud no no I need that in the cloud so I can get hacked but I also need it how about it as proof what if like that video we were talking about that that DVD that that guy that was doing the drone over the beach, and that woman attacked him, and he had recorded it.

[283] If it wasn't for that his little recording there, what would have happened?

[284] She said that he attacked her.

[285] Right.

[286] Yeah, but there was a video of her beating the shit of him.

[287] But what if you meet a girl at a bar, you're both drunk, and you go back to your living room like that comedian that just happened to a comic recently in Denver, and he got in a whole bunch of trouble?

[288] But how do you feel about that world, though, everything being recorded?

[289] That's the question I was going to ask.

[290] be great once something bad happens when it's nothing's bad happening and I don't really care you know um sort of except if you do something fucked up and someone gets a hold of it yeah just don't do anything fucked up it's great it's like that Lego movie everything is awesome is it really I don't know if it's really that simple though because in I mean you've seen access yeah and you've seen before like the effect of say for example editing on the end product on a show or something like that you can totally change context change narrative somebody are you having footage of you doing any kind of behavior could potentially be used to harm you.

[291] But we all know if you have a Photoshop that there's wasted detective.

[292] It's Photoshop.

[293] If there's an edited.

[294] There's so much smart little algorithms that you could tell that there's one grain that's not supposed to be there in a film.

[295] Sure.

[296] Yeah, that's as far as like actually altering the image itself, but not the context of the image itself.

[297] You know, you could have someone doing something that's actually not fucked up if you knew the whole story.

[298] But yeah, that's what I mean.

[299] That's what I mean.

[300] Yeah, that it's an issue.

[301] It's certainly an issue, and it's certainly an issue because there's people that have that power over others.

[302] You know, that's what the real issue with the NSA is.

[303] Like, wait a minute, you're monitoring every single person in the country?

[304] Like, you're assuming we're all criminals?

[305] Because if not, then do you pick a target like that you know is innocent?

[306] Is it okay for you to monitor them?

[307] No, it's not, right?

[308] We all agree.

[309] So the only reason why it's okay is you're looking at us all as potential criminals.

[310] That's a real issue.

[311] That's that, definitely.

[312] Just that philosophy of government, That philosophy of ruling over people Because it's omnipotent For sure On my way over This just reminded me of something Or before I left the hotel I saw on the TV About that guy whose kid died in the backseat Of his car I don't know if you heard about this In Georgia His uh So Did he leave the kid in the back seat?

[313] He left, how old was the kid?

[314] The kid was a toddler Yeah He left him in the back seat Overeated and died And today I guess They find out the dude was Googling hot car death backseat death prior to the event Oh just to see how long it would take So he did it on purpose That's the thought Oh no Or he was seeing how long he could leave his kid in there While he runs and gets Fine but that's pretty That's pretty fucked up on its own man Either one is fucked up He tried to kill his kid He killed his kid Wow See it's the problem is stories like that resonate So close to home That you're like Fuck it give him all the power they need You can't You know what I mean?

[315] Yeah, well, that's how I feel sometimes.

[316] Don't even pull this up, dude.

[317] I don't want to see that guy's face.

[318] Yeah, no, you don't.

[319] Like, sometimes I feel like that when it comes to, like, location services.

[320] You know, do you want Google to know where you are?

[321] Right.

[322] I guess.

[323] You have to think about where am I?

[324] What am I doing?

[325] I showed him on yesterday's podcast how everyone's iPhones has on default, just all the locations that they sit at.

[326] Yeah, that's right.

[327] Very strange that that's a default thing.

[328] And you really start to wonder about all of this power.

[329] we give to these devices over us, to these companies that we have this inherent trust.

[330] We're at a point now where we rely on these things to a degree that doesn't really allow for an opt -out.

[331] You know, not for me, obviously.

[332] Right.

[333] Not for this podcast, you know, not for all kinds of exercises.

[334] And if we knew that the police and the DEA and the whatever organization that might be investigating you was infallible and super ethical, there was no corruption, And there was no issues whatsoever with people lying in order to close cases to make your ego look better.

[335] But we know that's true.

[336] We know that's true.

[337] We know there's been a lot of prosecutors that have willingly put people in jail because they didn't want to admit they were wrong.

[338] They got the wrong person.

[339] Those stories always mess me up when this guy gets let out of jail 25 years later on DNA.

[340] It seems like the only truth is the scientific truth.

[341] You know, it seems there's no other truth.

[342] Once it's in human beings hands, it's like Google with these self -driving cars.

[343] Right.

[344] Like, they can eliminate so much.

[345] Yeah, almost all accidents.

[346] Like, 90 % are human error, right?

[347] Look at airplanes.

[348] Their safety records are insane, and the majority of that problem.

[349] We'll put a plane in the sky and let it fly itself, but we won't let a car on the road do so.

[350] Yet, the number one way that you will die between the ages of 4 and 34 is in a vehicle.

[351] Well, we're letting it happen.

[352] When you say we're not going to let it happen, like they're letting Google cars happen.

[353] They're driving them right now.

[354] for sure well they're out there but they're not publicly available there will be some you can't i mean the oil and gas companies the dealerships look what they did to tesla in new jersey there i don't think they'll be able to do that not long term not long term but they can put you know sort of like the marijuana thing in in colorado like it's it ebbs and flows right yeah it goes a little bit this way comes back that way i think it'd be so transparent though it would be the real issue like why would you try to avoid something that is easy convenient and unbelievably safe it'll just there'll be somebody with some kind of economic...

[355] I think personal freedom issues are going to still apply.

[356] Like, I like to be able to drive a car.

[357] Yeah, that's true.

[358] Could you imagine a point at which that becomes illegal?

[359] I mean, is that...

[360] It could happen.

[361] Definitely.

[362] I mean, or you would have to take your car to a fucking race track.

[363] Can you imagine if the only way you could drive your Subaru was to take on a racetrack?

[364] Well, but if you have a relic...

[365] I always...

[366] I sometimes feel like on the regular roads, if you have a really nice car, it's kind of like you know, putting a muzzle on a dog.

[367] you know you really to to get the most out of it a race track would be good anyways that is definitely true to get the most out of it but dang you can get something yeah yeah no definitely definitely you can still get something you can get a lot out of it it depends on where road take like uh angels crest forest right the angels crest highway you're you go you've been up there you know like uh out near where that gun range is too right like you all these crazy winding roads are beautiful it's so fun to drive there is a way it's just that unfortunately 98 % of the way people drive sucks like you're sitting in grid long.

[368] First of all, your phone should not receive or send text once it's in the phone, once it's in the car.

[369] It should be a thing where the car recognizes via Bluetooth that your phone is going to car.

[370] No text, fuck face.

[371] That's a good segue because one of the announcements actually at Google I .O. was Google in the car, which again talks to all these different devices and is essentially going to overhaul your car dash unit, Which, by the way, they all suck.

[372] They're all terrible.

[373] Everyone's experienced the shitty capacitive screens and the slow input.

[374] And pretty much everyone agrees, just slapping your phone in the center of the dash is going to give you a better experience than the three or $4 ,000 unit that the car company installed.

[375] Apparently, part of what holds them back is that they have to have approval so far in advance three years or four years or something to get approved to go into a motor vehicle that they can't, you know, that they're so far behind by the time it's.

[376] you're actually driving it, that you've got a crappy experience.

[377] But the goal here for Google is that your phone is actually the brain, because this is modular, this changes, you upgrade this all the time, your car, on the other hand, not so much.

[378] So if this is the brain, doing all the processing and just outputting video to a monitor that also happens to be touchscreen, you don't necessarily have to worry about that so much.

[379] New points of interest on NAV, for example.

[380] They don't happen on these locked off circumstances, whether you have a VW or a Ford or whatever.

[381] Each one of those experiences relies on those companies to go input those new POIs.

[382] So a new restaurant opens, it's not going to be there.

[383] Whereas in the case of this, it's always going to be current information.

[384] So the phone will sort of, the car rather, or sort of act as an app.

[385] Sort of.

[386] I would honestly think of it as more of an output method.

[387] So like basically, imagine when you plug this phone into a TV, you would see this, let's say you see this image up on the screen there.

[388] So let's imagine the same thing.

[389] but on your car dash.

[390] Right.

[391] Why not?

[392] Why?

[393] We're all doing this anyway.

[394] Did I say phone would be an app?

[395] What I meant is?

[396] Your car would be an app.

[397] Yeah.

[398] Essentially, your car would you'd plug into your phone.

[399] I mean, it'd be like...

[400] Have you ever seen those dudes who run those really large lenses?

[401] They take photographs.

[402] They plug it in, and there's apparently there's software that allows you to use these lenses with certain cell phones.

[403] Oh, really?

[404] I haven't seen that.

[405] Yeah, they make large lenses.

[406] Jamie, you know about all that shit, right?

[407] Like a physical adapter?

[408] Yeah, they put, like, like, Like a physical lens over.

[409] Some of them have applications that go along with them.

[410] Definitely.

[411] Definitely.

[412] Sort of the car is sort of acting like that.

[413] Yeah.

[414] An extension and there's some sort of an application that will allow your car to interface with your phone.

[415] You wouldn't, the only thing is it would be, you wouldn't have to do any work.

[416] Like, essentially it would be baked into your phone and if you never use it, you'd never need to worry about it.

[417] But you would have to have a specific operating system, though.

[418] Because, like, say if you have Subaru and Subaru only handle Android, but you have an iPhone.

[419] Exactly.

[420] Exactly.

[421] So they announced like 50 auto manufacturers that are.

[422] on board.

[423] That makes a, that's a huge pain in the dick, though, when it comes to switching phones.

[424] Like, I like going back and forth from Android to Apple.

[425] And this is something I wanted to talk about, how now, with more and more connected devices, it's becoming super important to pick your team.

[426] Oh, no. I know.

[427] You're separating people.

[428] I like both.

[429] I really do.

[430] I love my note.

[431] I love the screen.

[432] The screen's incredible.

[433] I love the online experience.

[434] But you know what I got recently, man?

[435] I got a fucking iPad Air, big one with a Verizon connection.

[436] That's what I got, boo.

[437] You have a Verizon connection on that bit?

[438] Yep.

[439] Yeah, my web browsing with a laptop or, you know, I mean, my webtizing with a phone are basically over.

[440] You know what's great about this?

[441] Also, Joe, is when you're on the road, I have AT &T as my cell phone, but a lot of places AT &T sucks or vice versa, and you can just make a hotspot using this, so you're always having the best never.

[442] Oh, clever boy.

[443] Well, here's, this is an interesting thing there in that, picking a picking a platform maybe it won't be such an issue in the future anyways because i i i sort of view as much as i like apple i mean i've got products here i used the the iphone is in my pocket daily i got this laptop here they have no track zero traction in emerging markets at all it's not even of interest to them they sell here and only here i don't know about you but i'm american and uh i don't really give a fuck about some mud hut yeah except that those people in those mud huts are making killer apps now oh damn it and if their first device that they get their hands on happens to be an android device that matters right yeah this is a global circumstance i i've been saying for a while that it's almost like apple can't win because even though they have really high level stuff and you start looking at like the modo m8 you go ooh that's pretty goddamn close to an iphone right if it just had a better camera the cameras kind of whack oh oh i've heard you guys talk about this before this i wanted to talk about this specifically four mega ultra -pixel.

[444] Cell phone cameras.

[445] Okay.

[446] Everybody in the tech world knows that this thing takes the best Instagram photos, right?

[447] Mm -hmm.

[448] Instagram.

[449] Okay, I said that specifically because it's the number one way that we share photos.

[450] And ultimately, how you share it is the biggest part of it.

[451] Who cares if it looks great on your phone when other people have to look at it if it doesn't?

[452] So other phones came out and you guys talked to it and there was one from No. On the Instagram you're saying this.

[453] There you go.

[454] Do I keep talking?

[455] Yeah, you're good.

[456] All right.

[457] So, um, other devices came out as a Nokia device.

[458] It's a 41 megapixel phone, um, a Windows phone.

[459] 40 what?

[460] 41 megapixel.

[461] But you see, that device is not focused on the output method.

[462] It's just like, let's just make these crazy images that are huge.

[463] Well, how the hell do I get that thing onto Instagram?

[464] For the longest time, Windows phone didn't even have Instagram.

[465] But here's the problem, okay?

[466] Instagram is a piece of software.

[467] And in order for it to work smoothly, it has to compress your photos.

[468] Okay, so the thing you're taking on your phone just in the camera app is not the same thing that other people end up seeing on the other side of Instagram Right.

[469] You know what I mean?

[470] And that compression algorithm is very sophisticated.

[471] It has to go in there and figure out what can I remove and what do I need to leave in to make a beautiful picture, right?

[472] Now, if you're building the iOS side of Instagram of that app, it's very easy to build because what are your parameters?

[473] It's the same camera every time.

[474] time.

[475] Right?

[476] Right.

[477] Android.

[478] Holy shit.

[479] How many Android phones are on the market?

[480] A lot of fucking Android phones.

[481] So now, how many parameters as a developer do you need to deal with?

[482] Because all those phones have different attributes.

[483] So the way they take a picture is different.

[484] So going in and trying to figure out what to remove in terms of bits and bites to still have a good picture on the other side is very difficult to do.

[485] So it's not necessarily a technical limitation on the side of the device.

[486] The Galaxy S5, for example, has a great camera.

[487] A great camera until Until you try to upload the Instagram.

[488] Well, I'm talking about taking photos on my camera.

[489] Yeah.

[490] On both and trying to take the best photo.

[491] Right.

[492] No, no, that exists, too.

[493] This is a great camera.

[494] Don't get me wrong.

[495] It has a big aperture.

[496] This is still, like, in terms of mass market, you can't argue this against the Nokia one just because that's, it hangs off the back.

[497] It's a giant thing.

[498] But what I'm saying is the bigger problem, I believe the bigger problem is the Instagram problem.

[499] People hit me up on Twitter all the time My photos look great Then I upload and they look like mud They look like shit You know once I get them up there So This goes deep Tech guys will carry around Two devices For that specific reason I will take pictures On even if I took a picture on here You send it to your iPhone But if I uploaded it on here It would be different That's ridiculous Yeah it's crazy I mean when I upload my photos From both of my devices a note 3 and my iPhone 5S all my fucking phones all my notes photos are shit compared to this camera they're not as good and if you have a program like Instagram that is taking random because a lot of times I use Instagram but just like photos I find on the internet like I'll or screenshot that's another good example and those programs should be able to be like okay we're going to make everything a screenshot that's uploaded through this you know algorithm like meaning like if you have a that's taken on one camera, you have a screenshot, you have a camera that you uploaded, whatever, all those photos should be able to go through one single programming thing, like we're all going to transfer this into what a screenshot is of that phone or whatever.

[500] Meaning it shouldn't be, like, who cares of it, what different photos it is, it's the programming that should be able to interpret it and output it.

[501] Oh, no doubt about it, but it's just, if you, say you're a developer on Instagram, first of all, Instagram's not really making much money right now anyways, but if you're...

[502] How could they be?

[503] That's a weird question.

[504] I mean, is, do people pay for Instagram?

[505] Yeah, you may, you may start.

[506] Facial recognition so that they can own all your face.

[507] That's one aspect.

[508] But can you download it?

[509] Do you download it for free or do you pay for it?

[510] No, no, no, no, no, it's a free app.

[511] But you will eventually start to see promoted Instagram posts from brands.

[512] In your feed, no choice.

[513] Ew.

[514] Twitter's doing it.

[515] Twitter's doing it, and they grossed me out when they do it.

[516] Promoted tweets.

[517] Your friend is following X brand.

[518] Does Instagram own your photos?

[519] Are they allowed to use whatever?

[520] Oh, they recently, they updated their TOS because they said that, and then people freaked out, and then they monitored it.

[521] And I'm not sure with the current state of their terms of services.

[522] But honestly, Instagram's probably my favorite social network outside of YouTube.

[523] Because it's just streamlined.

[524] It's images.

[525] It's fast.

[526] There's not too much.

[527] Facebook is a disaster, you know?

[528] And, I mean, I'm pretty sure that's why they purchased them.

[529] For example, if I put a picture on Instagram from an interactivity stamp, this is how you know software is work.

[530] when people want to use it.

[531] If I put a picture on Instagram, the comment stream is happening faster than anywhere else, even though I don't have the same number of followers.

[532] There were a lot of douchebags on Instagram, though.

[533] Oh, most definitely.

[534] More than on Twitter.

[535] Oh, yeah, more on Twitter than on Twitter.

[536] What do you mean?

[537] Can we do a douchebag definition?

[538] When you say douchebag there, I'm curious as to the, what specifically...

[539] Just dumb assholes.

[540] Oh, okay.

[541] Just dumb, insulting assholes.

[542] Like, you ever go to Kim Kardashian's Instagram page?

[543] Not a long time.

[544] Weezus.

[545] Go there and just read some of the fucking comments about other children.

[546] Right.

[547] I mean, anything, anything that happens, just to fucking hate.

[548] I'm sure it's, I'm sure it's there.

[549] It's diluted YouTube.

[550] It's because you're commenting on a photo or a video instead of like a Twitter where you're just talking about words.

[551] I honestly think anything worth anything should be comments deleted.

[552] Comics disabled.

[553] Because the problem is, like, they very rarely, it's rare that it generates a fascinating conversation in the comments.

[554] It's super common that is just cunty shitheads.

[555] It depends on the subject matter.

[556] Like, in my case, sometimes I do get relevant discussion in the comments.

[557] Tech discussion.

[558] Like, they're pretty respectful, but you do get this weird fanboyism stuff that gets militant, surprisingly.

[559] It's bizarre.

[560] Like, I'm away.

[561] Well, like, I don't know.

[562] I have this theory, like, you know when you go to a coffee shop and you look around you're at Starbucks?

[563] Everyone has their phones on the table.

[564] You notice that?

[565] Like, it's in a public space.

[566] Like, it's like representative of you in some way.

[567] Right.

[568] And I have this feeling that this is, for a lot of people, this is a major investment, you know, outside of their car or whatever.

[569] It's really close to you.

[570] It's in your pocket all the time.

[571] And so I think people are really concerned with making the wrong decision.

[572] You know, they're really concerned that their thing is not the best.

[573] And so in my case, what will happen is I'll put up a video.

[574] And, you know, they haven't even had time to finish watching it.

[575] And Apple sucks or Android sucks or whatever.

[576] And really, it's fear.

[577] it's fear that you made the wrong decision and so it well like many places in life you get angry when you're afraid and so god forbid a new product comes out that obsolete's yours and you don't have the money to replace it so you you take this position of defending the other thing because that's easier than justifying the cost of the new one so uh i've actually uh there were a couple of really cool articles on fanboyism that i was interviewed for and you know we went we went deep into how you know how people sort of figure that out, but there's definitely this undercurrent below the tech space, the consumer product space, where these are becoming more and more like fashion symbols, like, like, you know, representative of your personality, maybe more so than as a tool, you know, less, less of a hammer and more like a piece of jewelry, like a watch or something.

[578] Isn't it also that people just love being on teams, whether it's team Democrats, a Republican, team Chevy, team most, most definitely.

[579] And I've done some rants on this in the past.

[580] Like, I feel they need to tell people, like, I'm a fan of technology.

[581] When I was coming up as a kid, like, if anybody brought me any of this stuff, I would be super excited.

[582] Of course.

[583] And I'm cool with saying that, you know.

[584] But, yeah, there is definitely a team aspect where people, they want to belong to something.

[585] I say belong to team technology, if that's what you're into.

[586] Because the truth is these devices and these platforms push one another.

[587] that the positive things that happen in Android push iOS to be better and the positive things that happen in iOS push Android to be better and the same thing goes for laptops, desktops.

[588] Really anywhere there's innovation, having a little bit of competition is a positive thing.

[589] Yeah, unquestionably.

[590] And I think that it's important that there's all this competition out there and it's important that there's debate, but people just have to be, they're just assholes, just so many.

[591] That's true as well.

[592] That's really what it is.

[593] They're out there.

[594] People just getting, all slobber mouth about their various platforms.

[595] It's easy to do, right?

[596] Getting angry is probably the easiest thing to do.

[597] It's one of the easiest.

[598] You know, like, I mean, in terms of emotions, anger is a reaction that people that don't have the ability to process something, they choose anger, it's the easiest one.

[599] So, but yeah, any kind of, like, you, those are not the dominating comments.

[600] I don't, definitely not on my stuff.

[601] The dominating ones are more along the lines of, you know, like I said, technology in general, being happy about innovative.

[602] you post a new unboxing video of one of these things and everybody's cool with it and everybody's interested and that's that's part of the reason why people watch my videos is because they they sort of want to see they want to see the whole movement of the the place in general like i could it could have been an apple channel a lot of people do that like they'll have like an an ios related channel where they'll do app reviews specifically for a platform or something but uh but yeah i don't want to give them a bad rap completely they're not all douche bag no no no they're not yeah this i mean it's a small loud minority yeah really i mean but that loud minority kind of That's a problem.

[603] That's a problem.

[604] I mean, YouTube implemented this idea where you have your real name.

[605] That's a great idea.

[606] You know?

[607] I love that idea.

[608] They show a fucking picture of you, too.

[609] And a picture of you when you wake up in the morning.

[610] Oh, you fuck.

[611] Not so cocky now about Kim Kardashian, are you, a little puk?

[612] So, yeah, I mean, that's one way to remove anonymity on the web, but a lot of people don't necessarily, like, for example, on Reddit.

[613] I mean, could there ever be your real identity on Reddit?

[614] That's interesting.

[615] You know, there's benefits, there's pros and cons.

[616] There's benefits to anonymity because a lot of times you'll get truth that someone might shield from you because of the social stigma of, you know, just social cues and interactions.

[617] They might just back off of it and go, ah, I wasn't honest with them.

[618] Yeah.

[619] Like, you go to see someone in a movie, you know, like, what'd you think, man?

[620] Like, oh, fucking Christ, the movie's a piece of shit.

[621] Right, right, right.

[622] You don't say that, you go, oh, pretty fucking good, man. Right.

[623] But if you were a random guy, there are so many things wrong with this movie, they should burn it on the movie.

[624] Right.

[625] You know, like, for sure.

[626] I could say something like that, and you would really mean that.

[627] So, I don't know, do you think the things are better for people having that ability, or would they be better in the alternative space where you kind of, because you know anyways, right?

[628] When somebody really isn't into something, they don't really need to say it, do they?

[629] No. You know, you can feel it.

[630] But I think that interaction in general, I think, first of all, I think this stage that we're in, this stage of commenting and being able to interact with people online, just, like, you know, you put up a video, they could just shit all over your face.

[631] I don't like his face fucking guys are annoying.

[632] Oh, definitely.

[633] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[634] Pick something.

[635] Anything.

[636] Right.

[637] Just decide.

[638] This is a new ability.

[639] Yes.

[640] That never existed a decade ago.

[641] Not, no. Two decades ago, there was nothing remotely similar to this.

[642] Not that I can think of.

[643] So, we don't really know how to deal with it.

[644] And there's so many people that just get away with doing things on it that they would never do in real life.

[645] Just because they really shouldn't have that ability.

[646] It's not a natural ability.

[647] Right.

[648] The natural ability to communicate with each other is it's an ebb and flow interact it's not send a missile and sit back and wait boom and it explodes well that's the thing I mean now that you have that the art form of trolling like that's it's a whole thing and it is an art form when done well I mean it's sometimes right there's a new website that I just start follow or a new Twitter feed that I just start following that's a total troll it's kind of a parody account troll but it turns into a troll I should almost not say the name you don't want to out of buddy yeah well fuck it it's it's all about salon dot com and it's salon like their their twitter handle i think is salon dot com like there's salon that is one twitter handle and then there's salon dot com hold i'll find out who it is i'm following salon is the official verified one exactly so exactly it's called salon yeah it's salon dot com and it's hilarious it's it's really funny The unfortunate part of that is them using that name may be a problem in the long game.

[649] Keep it down.

[650] You're the one that announced it.

[651] God damn it.

[652] Listen, they need more people.

[653] It's really funny.

[654] There was one about a kid.

[655] Misogynist superheroes.

[656] Why men's rights activists are wearing capes.

[657] Whoa.

[658] And they're just trolling.

[659] It's really funny, man. Yeah.

[660] See, if it's sophisticated and well thought out, It's acceptable, in my opinion.

[661] Scary.

[662] The six most popular video games that allow you to kill female players online.

[663] The last anti -Semitic slur.

[664] We need to stop using the J -word already.

[665] Oh, they're just trolling.

[666] This is good.

[667] That's gold.

[668] I like this kind of trolling, because if you go to the fucking comments, God, there's a lot of people that do not think this is trolling.

[669] Really?

[670] But isn't this the kind of trolling you hate also?

[671] Well, no, because this is obvious.

[672] but mom errands are gay the 10 year old's vile rant that proves what a homophobic patriarchy we live in I think there's a place for it's obvious come on man anybody fucking reading that if it's not look you don't deserve to be able to comment it should be your test if you really believe this you're either not paying attention like you're half awake or how do you feel about the how do you feel about this what if there was some like reputation attached to your name like because that's essentially what's happening on YouTube right right if you uh log on to a video and it happens to be somebody in your Google Plus circles for example they'll rise to the top of the comment well that's why you shouldn't use Google Plus because that's retarded you don't have a choice for commenting now 10 signs your cat might be racist ah look you know there's there's a bunch of different ways to look to look at it.

[673] I don't think there's any absolute.

[674] But I think ultimately, the real issue is that we're just not used to this kind of freedom.

[675] This freedom of communication and freedom of interaction.

[676] Right.

[677] Freedom of reaching people.

[678] Freedom of...

[679] You mean, there's websites dedicated to just like anything.

[680] Like, you could reach people.

[681] You could contact people.

[682] You could comment on people.

[683] You could start your own website, and boom, people comment on you.

[684] This kind of interaction, it's just...

[685] It's completely...

[686] It's an adolescent thing.

[687] so when you have cases like that guy that got fired because they outed him on reddit he used to do a lot of creepy shit on reddit he used to do a lot of texas i believe he lived yeah his name was like something acres yeah yeah something um and it was a really interesting debate because obviously the guy was really creepy online but to him it was like a role that he was playing to him he got enjoyment out of this trolling and you know posting pictures of dead people and whatever the fuck he was doing yeah i think his big one was creep shots, right?

[688] I'd think so.

[689] Like, up the skirt type pictures?

[690] Which, surprisingly, for a long time, if you searched for Reddit, it was the top hit.

[691] Was it like slash creep shots?

[692] Meanwhile, I want to know who's searching Reddit for creep shots.

[693] But here's the thing.

[694] They banked a lot of dough on that guy's work, right?

[695] Oh, Reddit did.

[696] Of course.

[697] If they're accumulating traffic through Google searches to that particular thread, ultimately they earn money through advertising revenue like anyone else, keeping people there is going to right but they're an open forum completely open forum not completely not completely because they're moderated is that what you mean huh so you're saying that by them tolerating if so if could be proved that they tolerate those he got he got a uh a reddit uh trophy a statue for being one of the best moderators uh and he did a lot of upskirt shots yeah creep shots was i think the most famous thread or uh subreddit sorry oh no ran a subreddit called creep shots creep shots and there was another one wait a minute wait a minute wait a so reddit knew about the subreddit yeah oh that shit's sexy I don't care what you guys it's all kilts all Scottish men I mean that's still a you know like they're also the the underage ones though he was also on so under 18 only and I think I believe the goal was to attempt to harvest pictures from girls' Facebook accounts so you would pretend to be you'd have like one of their friends profile pictures you'd be somebody at their school or i don't know fake it right get access and then pulled pull down the facebook photos and upload them so girls had no idea they were showing up on this subreddit until they found out at school the next day god damn that's so fucked up and there's a grown man doing that to a little girl and guess what the moderator's job was to remove pictures of girls that look too old oh oh my god that's great so what do you think about that and what's your thoughts about that i have i have a love of hate relationship with reddit like this idea that that it's an open forum is one that everybody believes but the vast majority of reddit users are consumers not producers right they're just users there to consume content you would never know if you're actually seeing an open forum or not you're not managing it in any way so uh they're like super against self -promotion right and this is how i've bumped into them a number of times because i'll tweet tweet out.

[698] If somebody's talking about me on Reddit, I'll tweet the link, right?

[699] On numerous occasions, tweeting that link brought the whole post down.

[700] Wow.

[701] Hmm.

[702] I just stay in my subred.

[703] I don't go out of Reddit much.

[704] I think it's good for certain things.

[705] Right.

[706] Like, I use it for episode discussions of podcasts or like the desktop subreddit.

[707] And Joe's subreddit is really interesting.

[708] It's still human beings.

[709] There's obviously cool people there.

[710] Like, that's not up for discussion.

[711] But these veiled moderators in the background can essentially shape your experience there.

[712] Well, there's also been issues with censorship.

[713] Remember Alexis Hohannian when he was on the podcast?

[714] Talked about issues of things being censored from technology forums.

[715] Oh, definitely.

[716] Yeah.

[717] Certain keywords.

[718] Certain keywords would knock the post down immediately.

[719] You couldn't type in those keywords.

[720] Apple or whatever.

[721] A strange list of keywords.

[722] Someone did a little investigation on it.

[723] They did a little study.

[724] I wonder if that's still the case.

[725] I haven't attempted.

[726] We actually found this out.

[727] I believe it was after Alexis was here, so we didn't get a chance to ask him about it.

[728] Yeah, yeah.

[729] Yeah, I mean, if they're making money off of the fact that their forum gets a tremendous amount of traffic, and you have a subreddit that you're aware of, someone must be aware of that, correct?

[730] Oh, definitely.

[731] It's not there anymore.

[732] But how crazy is that that you're censoring things like the word Apple or Samsung or whatever the technology words are?

[733] You're censoring that, but you're not censoring upskirt shots of 18 -year -old.

[734] the thing, catfishing.

[735] Upskirt shots and 18 year old girls don't buy ads.

[736] Right?

[737] It's the free promotion they don't want.

[738] They don't want people, they don't want people hacking their system in a way, finding a way to get exposure through their platform without paying for it.

[739] So, you know, Twitter, Facebook's doing the same thing now.

[740] Facebook promoted posts.

[741] I don't know how active you guys are on Facebook, but, you know, your post is reaching, what, like 5, 10 % of the actual audience that signed up to see your posts?

[742] And, oh, you want to reach more pay us money right that's that's inevitably where we end up on any of this shit is that eventually they hook you and then they find a way to monetize what do you how do you feel about bitcoin how do you feel about electronic currency and love it love it super cool yeah fascinating right i think oh yeah i don't i i'm not an expert right but i think that money is super low tech right now money sucks right now like this idea that there's this intermediary body that needs to sit in between you and I if we want to exchange money.

[743] Yeah.

[744] That's bizarre in today's day and age.

[745] I mean, I can send you email.

[746] That could be encrypted.

[747] And here's how you know it's fucked.

[748] They have all the money.

[749] That's how you know, the whole deal is rigged.

[750] It's messed up.

[751] What they're providing is really not that big of a deal.

[752] Not at all.

[753] Not at all.

[754] What are they storing?

[755] What are they doing?

[756] They're processing a bunch of things mostly in computers today.

[757] And that's what Bitcoin proved.

[758] Bitcoin proved it because Bitcoin was able to process transactions on an enormous scale.

[759] It was bigger than an independent institution.

[760] And they were able to do it in a fashion that's completely secure.

[761] And they were able to do it for free without any kind of venture capital, right?

[762] If they didn't, like, you think about the fees you paid, or how big the banks, go to any city.

[763] The biggest skyscrapers are the big banks, right?

[764] Insurance companies, financial institutions.

[765] The crooks.

[766] All the crooks in their big fucking castles.

[767] I mean, you think about it.

[768] Bitcoin came out in outed all those guys in a way because it said you don't we you don't need to take all this money to achieve the transaction to achieve the end game you know so uh i mean i'm yeah i'm a big fan of alternative currencies in general i don't know if it's going to be bitcoin or something else we're probably at a super early point right now with it and it's uh it's going to be you know it's it's it's hard at any time when you're looking at something in its earliest form to see the end game to see where it ends up but uh you know when the first like for example when the first iPhone jumped on the scene.

[769] I'll never forget that moment.

[770] Before that, the devices before that, and after that, how much they changed in an instant.

[771] And so I feel like once, when there's some big dynamic moment that Bitcoin is able to achieve or alternative currencies are able to achieve some really cool feature where we can, I don't know, tap watches and spend money and we never have to pull anything out of our pocket.

[772] Like the Starbucks app, I'm using that shit all the time.

[773] Do you, is it one of those things you pull or you scan?

[774] so yeah so what it is is like you can you don't have to but you put in your favorite locations and when it senses proximity nearby you just swipe over and there's a barcode and you're done or you could just shake it now the new the latest one you can shake and it just brings up your payment and it collects your you know every ten times you get a free drink loyalty program yeah and then it also gives you free music and free apps i mean that Starbucks did their app right oh the Starbucks app every 10 times you get a free one every 10 times you get a free one amazing yeah that's amazing yeah that's a I mean, it automatically uploads, so, like, you'll always have, you know.

[775] And the thing is, like, in the past, I've been so reluctant to do rewards programs.

[776] Like, they're so bizarre.

[777] You're at a department store, and it's like, every thousand dollars you get, you earn a dollar.

[778] And they say, ah, fuck it, I don't care.

[779] Yeah.

[780] But this one, they made it in such a way that it's a more convenient purchasing process.

[781] So it's like, oh, I'll take the loyalty on the side.

[782] Yeah.

[783] It's a side deal.

[784] Why not?

[785] Right.

[786] That's a cool way of looking at it, too.

[787] That's nice that they did that.

[788] That's so clever.

[789] and 10 to 1 is like a really good ratio like buy 10 drinks you get one free that's really really generous yeah it's 10 yeah it's 10 and you get to get whatever you want so that's when you go I'll have seven shots chocolate by throwing a night oh you get any drink it's not a oh that's fascinating it's not even a commensurate drink so you can buy like five shots of espresso yeah I've done it before yep you can get a super drink yeah wow and they give you one on your birthday as well they give you a because of the app The app just tells you to be a birthday, go get a free drink.

[790] So when you're at the store, you hit the app and then just shake it and then it pays for the thing?

[791] The world's getting ridiculous.

[792] How do you feel about Google Glass?

[793] Actually, that's a good thing to talk about because I feel like these are the interim glass, these watches.

[794] Interim.

[795] So that's going to get you to a glass.

[796] One day.

[797] Glass is nowhere near ready for mass consumption.

[798] Yeah.

[799] Well, it's $1 ,500, first of all, which to say, to, to see.

[800] Some people might not seem like a huge hurdle, but it's gigantic.

[801] And second of all, it's obtrusive.

[802] Like, I just got back from San Francisco where there's, you know, glasses.

[803] There's a huge percentage of people wearing glass.

[804] Didn't someone get in trouble for driving with them on?

[805] I didn't hear that story, but I think they had to, I could imagine.

[806] I think they had to drop the case.

[807] Right.

[808] But I think a guy got in trouble for driving with them because they were saying that he was using his cell phone while I was driving.

[809] I'm sure that's happening.

[810] I know some bars have outlawed them locally.

[811] They should.

[812] Yeah.

[813] That's fucking crazy.

[814] Well, they have those weird cameras.

[815] you can buy that look like buttons they have those and they'll also have oh yeah stanhope used stanhope had a uh a hidden camera show for a while and he had glasses this was a long fucking time ago a little camera in the yeah i want to say this is in the 90s might have been the 90s doug had a really funny fucking like hidden camera show and one of the things he did is he had these glasses and there was like this little center thing and you it you couldn't tell oh definitely so that's that already exists yep yeah well but anyway in the yeah in the case of glass, I don't, there's this really weird experience.

[816] If you own it, you can't really wear it.

[817] If you go out wearing that, some people have no problem doing it, but it becomes the whole event.

[818] Everybody wants to ask about it or try it.

[819] Maybe not so much anymore, but it's just not, there's something wrong with it.

[820] I don't know what.

[821] It's hard to pinpoint, right?

[822] But if I came in here wearing glass, immediately you would, you would have a different perception of me. Yes.

[823] And I don't think we're ready.

[824] to make that kind of a statement.

[825] I think it's going to have to look at your glasses.

[826] Yeah, it'll have to be regular glasses.

[827] It'll have to be regular.

[828] Well, it's got to be.

[829] I mean, as things get smaller and smaller, that shouldn't be prohibitive, right?

[830] No, no. The lenses themselves, the bars on the side of the lenses, just some sort of, like right now, it's a little oversized and you swipe it.

[831] Yeah.

[832] You know, and I've done it.

[833] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[834] I didn't like it.

[835] No, no, no. It felt silly to me. I don't want this thing in front of my face.

[836] Yeah, and there's this, and the prism.

[837] I actually got the version.

[838] But I wear sunglasses.

[839] all the time.

[840] So if I went out and I had no navigation in my car, I just slapped these bitches on, and I see everything that's coming at me. I see the weather up here.

[841] For sure.

[842] I mean, that would be the shit.

[843] Why haven't they done this?

[844] The shit.

[845] Why haven't they just created some dope -ass, Oakley style sunglasses that have a fucking screen in it like a goddamn movie theater, and I'm driving around, and all my information?

[846] You're done.

[847] Like, look, oh, dude, your girlfriend's right over here.

[848] That's what everybody wants.

[849] She thinks you're at Target.

[850] I think what it's going to be is, like, we're all going to have our own Google Glasses, but it's also going to have something that broadcasts is our Avatar, so it's not going to, we're going to feel comfortable you're recording me because my face is going to be replaced with a cat face and my voice is going to be replaced with something else.

[851] That's just your retarded world.

[852] No one's buying it at.

[853] Get the fuck out of here.

[854] In some ways, there's a, there's a race between glass and other forms of augmented reality too, like this thing I brought over here, this little piece of cardboard.

[855] But ultimately isn't like glasses the most convenient to have Oh, yeah, and more common because people have them all the time anyway.

[856] Oh, no, definitely.

[857] What is this, Brian?

[858] What do you got here?

[859] This is Oakley Airwaves, which is kind of like their version of, like, I don't know, like a Google Glass where it has like its own, like a speed.

[860] So skiing goggles.

[861] You can drive around with those.

[862] That is what I'm talking about.

[863] Remember when I said the privacy face?

[864] That's what I was kind of talking about.

[865] Whoa, whoa, hold up.

[866] Hold up.

[867] navigation and your ski goggles?

[868] Do you want to listen to this?

[869] Fuck yeah, play that shit.

[870] That's the craziest thing I've ever heard in my life.

[871] That's amazing.

[872] Airwave 1 .5, technology that delivers the good straight to your brain.

[873] So what we're seeing right now is the speed, how fast you're going, the altitude, vertical, your jump analytics, so how high you're jumping.

[874] And it's showing as you're looking down, the speed, your air, airtime, buddy tracking, your phone, you can play music with this fucking thing, you're getting text messages, you're looking at your navigation screen, look at you, you're picking your music.

[875] All dog shit music, Jesus Christ, kid.

[876] You have such cool technology.

[877] But you're skiing, you're like, yeah, fuck, man. How are you interacting with all that stuff, though?

[878] Poorly, crashing in the trees, sunny boating yourself left and right.

[879] Look at the fucking.

[880] slips off different lenses.

[881] Yeah, you can put it on sunglasses stuff.

[882] Dude, you can go Terminator -style.

[883] I think I'm just going to wear this to a mall.

[884] That's what I'm saying.

[885] It's just the paparazzi glasses thing that I was talking about.

[886] Like, it's going to be Star Wars.

[887] Yeah.

[888] She had the really big one that went over your whole face.

[889] That bitch is smart with that.

[890] That was a good move.

[891] This is amazing, man. But if you're skier, do you ski, Brian?

[892] Yeah.

[893] I love skiing.

[894] I used to be in ski club.

[895] Dude, do you ski with one of these bitches on?

[896] God damn, that would be cool as fuck.

[897] That's amazing.

[898] Oakley.

[899] Fuck yeah, Oakley.

[900] Oakley .com Airwave, if you want to watch it, if you're listening to this.

[901] That's amazing.

[902] What a great idea.

[903] It's only a matter of time before someone did that.

[904] That's way better than Google Glass.

[905] $600.

[906] I ain't bad.

[907] Yeah, that's not bad.

[908] That's way better than Google Glass, though.

[909] I sometimes feel like when I watch those promos, though, that it's not.

[910] They're bullshit.

[911] Yeah.

[912] It should be you doing it.

[913] Well, you know.

[914] I mean, that's what you do.

[915] That's what I do, man. I take the bullshit out of it.

[916] What's been the most disappointing product that you had to do that, too?

[917] Wow.

[918] Was there one product that you got?

[919] Sometimes, like, trying to think right now sometimes sometimes it's so shit that i i wouldn't even want to give it the exposure you know that's smart yeah like what's what give me an example of that so we can give some exposure some guy i hate doing this though some guys it's like their dream they got like a pro fuck them product fuck them they're shitty ideas one guy had this was back in the day and when a lot of people were into like like little dog locking stands for your phones and shit like that and some guy had one like essentially like glued onto your phone like it was like this this sloppy material I regretted it immediately I was upset so that's an example so you put it on your phone yeah yeah oh how'd you clean it off like rubbing alcohol yeah yeah yeah that's it so a glue was the worst thing shitty glue no I mean let me think what about like big time stuff like a phone or a laugh top top that was dog shit oh wow you want to go there i i do want to go there i was upset with my playstation four really how come because the controllers are not very durable i had within within a few weeks i had the uh the rubber from the thumbsticks starting to degenerate i posted a video has almost a million views oh my goodness i tell you what i'm sick of barringer mixers i found out that barringer as a company i've always used barringer because i've always You go for the budget, budget stuff.

[920] No, it's just German brands.

[921] It's Chinese.

[922] Oh, is it?

[923] But it was created in Germany, right?

[924] Or something?

[925] I think they just use a German name.

[926] Okay, so hilarious.

[927] Brian's done his research, bro.

[928] We always use German.

[929] Wait, what?

[930] I don't know if it's Chinese.

[931] I'm pretty sure it's not German, though.

[932] But, no, no, actually, it was just the first mixer ever got, so I just went with it.

[933] But I had to replace, like, I've spent more on mixers in the last five years, and then I researched it.

[934] Yeah, podcast mixtures.

[935] I just had to replace my third one.

[936] And this time I went with the Yamaha.

[937] whatever but uh i found out that there's like class like in the past they've had like lawsuits and stuff for pretty much they just take a good mixer and just copy it with shitty parts like they're they're like the first version of like when you go get a a fake iPhone in china yeah it's exact same shit yeah like i i went to a guitar center the other day and they're like yeah we uh we stopped carrying all of berenger because of this and i just now found out after spending so much money on berenger and having so much shit yeah fry out do you what do you so yama's a good good move though Yamaha is pretty good there's something with an M, I can't remember like Mokie or Mackey Mackey supposedly is what everyone else loves How many times have you burnt out What is what do we have here?

[938] What is that thing?

[939] This is a Beringer in the head phone Jesus But yeah the I've replaced Three like 400 500 dollar mixers in the last two years Three years Damn My headphone jack just went out like yesterday This is our second headphone jacks All the time they all fucking suck I'm sorry Beringer I can't believe he said that.

[940] These mics are the shit.

[941] I just want to say that these the statements you just heard, the opinions are only that of Brian Red Band.

[942] They do not represent the rest of this podcast.

[943] You know, in general, though, products have gotten a lot better.

[944] They have to, right?

[945] They've gotten, just, like, market -wide, like...

[946] You can't get away with a dud.

[947] No, it's this too much PR now.

[948] Yeah, and total exposure.

[949] Like, exposure, like, that's one thing I fucking love, and one of the reasons why I wanted to have you want, is the kind of videos that you do and there's a lot of other folks that are doing them now they're so comprehensive they would have never existed on a network television show like even like the like when you used to have the old tech tv days yeah which was excellent yeah i love the screensavers i love that they didn't have the time to do what you're doing no and specific to that device like you don't have to worry about you know oh i have to be off the air in six minutes because that's when the commercial goes we have to go to break there's no break there's no all that stuff as dog shit.

[950] That's a dumb that's silent movies.

[951] Right, right, right, right.

[952] If you're doing a puppet show, you might as well be showing this is a real monster, no it's not.

[953] Okay, you can't use rubber claymation anymore.

[954] It's 2014, you fuck.

[955] And you can't keep reviewing tech items on television.

[956] So essentially what's going on is the internet has created a platform for you guys to completely change the technology review market and make it super interactive.

[957] Like, say if you're thinking about getting a new iPhone, you go online, go to CNET, go to your site, all these different sites and you'll just hit review after review informed details in -depth reviews that many times the guy will say I've had this phone for the past five days fucking with it here are my thoughts you're just not gonna get that anywhere else no no it's the platform the platform has enabled that to happen like it's enabled so many new forms of entertainment to happen like this like podcasting like this for example nobody would have given us a show not a fucking chance in hell a radio show yeah I'm bringing this guy with me. We're going to, yeah, he occasionally says retarded shit, but it's kind of cute because of the, because of the, even the way you said that, like, in the old days, old media, somebody had to give you something.

[958] You know what I mean?

[959] Right.

[960] Now, you go out and get it.

[961] Well, so the old days, someone had to hire you for a show.

[962] That's what I mean.

[963] There's no way.

[964] You had, there was a predetermined time slot.

[965] Like, if you had a radio station, all you have on that radio station is the times that you're broadcasting.

[966] Right.

[967] We could simultaneously broadcast, I mean, we could, if we wanted to, if Brian and I got together and say, know what, let's start a fucking podcast empire.

[968] Let's, like, everybody that we can contact online, have them send us, we can start hiring people.

[969] Before you know, we could have 50 podcasts going on at the same time, just dumping them out into the internet.

[970] You don't have to have a 24 -hour time period where, you know, Frosty Heidi and Frank are from 8 to 10, and then after that, it's fucking Conway and Steckler.

[971] You don't have to have that anymore.

[972] No, and it brings up a lot of deficiencies in the traditional media model that, now that everything is essentially...

[973] The dinosaurs!

[974] Yeah, everything is essentially on demand and it honestly feels strange for me to plan my day around a live event how about watching commercials don't you want to fucking throw up in your pants like what are you showing me why is the program stopping for this horseshit to be honest with you commercials don't need to be as bad as they are no look at our formula Joe now we might do it a little long but what if we were advertising Coca -Cola in 30 seconds and we could do whatever the fuck we want I would watch that like oh my god here's the thing like when the Super Bowl happens Everyone's after I come You gotta replenish my glycogen Corn syrup is good after you come If you're put a frog inside a can of Coke for two weeks Is Coke bad for you?

[975] Fuck yeah, it's bad for you So's living in a city you fuck face Have a Coke and a smile And shut the fuck up bitch It's old school Yeah But they don't But the only reason why that works Is because I forced that Like they're constantly trying to get me To do ads in the middle of podcasts Oh yeah definitely Every new ad That's like one of the first things That's a debate It's like they want to interrupt the show and insert ads.

[976] I'm like, that's not an option.

[977] It's a super crappy model.

[978] It doesn't work.

[979] No, it doesn't.

[980] It's offensive.

[981] It's a holdover from a time that doesn't exist anymore.

[982] It's like, well, let's just take the platform that existed and bolt it on to this new thing.

[983] Instead of developing something from the ground up that fits with this language, this is a whole new language.

[984] I even feel this way about individual social networks.

[985] I feel like YouTube has a language, Facebook has a language, Twitter has a language, Instagram, that sort of when you're a content producer, you sort of feel like all those places are the same because you're broadcasting to all of them.

[986] But ultimately, more often than not, those users are platform independent.

[987] They have a place where they like to get at you more than one other place, and that becomes their habit.

[988] And so since their consumption model is unique, so say you're people who view this podcast on YouTube versus who listen to the audio only versus who those are all independent people all with their own mindset and trying to trying to figure out the right way of interacting with all those groups is something that big brands are trying to do now through their their social experiments and etc so when when people come and talk to me brands or advertisers or whoever it might be it's like listen we need to build something from the ground up native to this platform don't bring me something from somewhere else this is not a national ad campaign this is 850 ,000 very sophisticated viewers with a super high sensitivity to bullshit right because they're not used to getting it here it's not they're not getting any of it about your own life that's right people who are hosting podcast will tell you the truth about their own personal fuck -ups exactly and so that's it's a it's a really unique proposition huge value huge value for a brand.

[989] In some ways, I feel like this whole marketplace is heavily undervalued.

[990] When you compare CPM figures, like from the traditional media world to this world, these people are more fucking dedicated.

[991] Well, they're loyal if they know that you're kicking them the real deal.

[992] Unbox therapy is not going to lie.

[993] You're not going to lie.

[994] You're deep, you're obviously...

[995] I'm me. And you're also, you're deep into discovering the flaws, which is actually essential to the development process.

[996] For sure.

[997] To ensure that you still have a job and that these companies create and innovate it might be painful for them they might not enjoy some of your criticisms but it's critical I'll give you an example right now please do live example what live example Samsung Samsung keeps making these shitty ass chargers okay yes look at this damn thing this is the charger for their watch this is a beautiful looking device that's the charger install the charger Joe go for it bitch you know who also has done that in the past Sony used to do that shit all the time with they're like blue tooth headsets.

[998] Oh, you mean proprietary stuff?

[999] Well, these are...

[1000] These are all going to be proprietary.

[1001] That's what you got to do every night before bed.

[1002] You're not doing that.

[1003] You had a few drinks.

[1004] Well, that's why the new Apple Watch is going to be...

[1005] Dude, I'm coordinated as fuck.

[1006] I'll do this all day.

[1007] I'll be on heroin.

[1008] I'll do this.

[1009] I'm not saying you can't do it, but that's not a pleasurable experience.

[1010] You're so funny.

[1011] So you would like it to be just like a regular USB?

[1012] You remember what I said before about opening up an Apple laptop?

[1013] That breath of fresh air that you get?

[1014] Yeah.

[1015] You can't...

[1016] Measure it.

[1017] Right.

[1018] It just keeps you liking and using the device.

[1019] It's sort of like their keyboards and their mice.

[1020] They're so clean and everything.

[1021] It's just like, I want to, I just want to look at the damn thing.

[1022] You know what I mean?

[1023] If a beautiful thing will always be more attractive, I forgot the damn charger for the LGG watch.

[1024] But no worries.

[1025] LG, on the other hand, the entire back is a magnet.

[1026] Ooh.

[1027] All you do is just drop it.

[1028] LG wins.

[1029] LG wins.

[1030] Better.

[1031] Apple's new watch, you just lay it down on the counter.

[1032] Of course.

[1033] But the motor minute.

[1034] You lay it down on the counter and charges?

[1035] Yep.

[1036] How's that work?

[1037] Hold on, how's that possible?

[1038] Go ahead.

[1039] Well, a lot of, you can do this right now.

[1040] You can go to Best Buy and buy these things that fit on the back of your phone.

[1041] You don't need to buy, and some phones you don't need to buy anything.

[1042] This is already Chi enabled.

[1043] Yeah, yes, where you can just lay it down on the mat and we'll charge.

[1044] Oh, a mat, a specific part.

[1045] Yeah, yeah.

[1046] Okay.

[1047] I thought you were saying it charges in the air.

[1048] It was like, how's the...

[1049] Apple's News watch supposedly has it where you can just lay it down on this mat, you know...

[1050] Yeah, I'll tell you my one criticism of the mats.

[1051] The problem with the mat is traveling.

[1052] chime with a goddamn mat.

[1053] Unless it becomes as big as the iPhone and then hotels just have that mat, which is probably going to have it.

[1054] It's going to take a while, but Starbucks actually are starting to implement Chi -enabled surfaces.

[1055] So it will happen, but it's definitely not there yet.

[1056] And in the meantime, the little charger for this LG is it's super thin and it's about the size of the watch.

[1057] And they can connect if you put them together in your bag.

[1058] Because it has a magnet.

[1059] But I had the watch before this, the Galaxy Gear, okay?

[1060] This is the Gear Live.

[1061] the naming conventions are terrible that's one of the hardest parts of the job actually just getting the names right well it's better than like the old days of like model numbers yeah i guess so but anyway the galaxy gear had this wacky thing that strapped around the whole device it was shit it screwed up the experience for me and i think they ruined the device if the ui see ui doesn't end here user interface uh yeah exactly or or ue user people who are going or user experience in general a lot of people assume Like, if you're a developer, you're building it for this and that's it.

[1062] No, this is UI, this aluminum, or UE, it's user experience.

[1063] The whole experience is encompassed in the way you interact with the damn thing.

[1064] Dude, you sound like a wine connoisseur.

[1065] You sound like one of those dudes who's really in a certain grades.

[1066] Yeah, I think I'm getting fired up right now.

[1067] I like this guy.

[1068] Yeah, I like you too, man. I agree with you 100%.

[1069] And I think that also what we're saying before is that your, these criticisms, and this very detailed review that you'll do about these products is super critical.

[1070] Super critical for the development.

[1071] It should be hiring you.

[1072] Oh, I get lots of interest.

[1073] Do you get offers?

[1074] Like Apple tell you to shut the fuck up.

[1075] Just come over here.

[1076] I'm sure Apple.

[1077] Shut the fuck up with you.

[1078] I'm sure Apple's not a huge fan of mine because I did some leaking of different components.

[1079] Oh, how dare you?

[1080] How did you do that?

[1081] You got it offline?

[1082] From China, yeah.

[1083] It's on the Internet.

[1084] It's out there.

[1085] Yeah, it's like peeing the ocean.

[1086] You got to deal with it.

[1087] They're probably not a big fan of mine.

[1088] It's funny, at their keynote, I had leaked the iPad Air chassis, the entire body, before it came out.

[1089] So I had the entire form factor, right?

[1090] It was on Forbes.

[1091] Did they get mad at you?

[1092] No, they didn't.

[1093] I never heard a word about it, but in the keynote, they addressed it.

[1094] Like, the big keynote that everyone was watching, they're like, we think you guys might be familiar with this next device.

[1095] Like, Tim Cook addressed it.

[1096] So I was like...

[1097] Did you feel like someone...

[1098] A certain amount of geek power right there?

[1099] I'm on the radar.

[1100] Ooh.

[1101] Did you feel like you did something?

[1102] Like, you made an impact?

[1103] Oh, I didn't, I didn't really, because I feel like these things are going to, they're going to leak out regardless.

[1104] Because the guys like you.

[1105] That's like saying, someone's going to murder someone regardless.

[1106] Yeah.

[1107] I guess, because of a murderer.

[1108] I guess, I guess you're right about that.

[1109] But I honestly, I'm much more interested in the demand for it.

[1110] Like, why do people care so much?

[1111] That's another thing that shows about how our attachment to these devices is insane.

[1112] That I put out a video like that and it's like, you know, I don't know, 2 million views or it's on Forbes.

[1113] It was everywhere.

[1114] Like, it was posted all over.

[1115] I had the Google notifications turned on for whenever it was getting, I was getting a news notification every time my name was being used, and it was just going off.

[1116] Like, it was on all these different sites that were embedding my video.

[1117] And they're doing it because investors want to make adjustments to their plans preemptively.

[1118] Based on the reviews.

[1119] So, like, no, no, I mean, not the review.

[1120] I mean, like, the leak.

[1121] So they see the iPad Air Chassis before it actually.

[1122] she comes out and they go, hmm, are people going to like that chassis?

[1123] Are people going to buy that chassis?

[1124] Do you review, when there's a leak, like do you give opinions on the leak?

[1125] Yeah, I compare it to the old one.

[1126] Like, I do physical dimensions.

[1127] I pull the measuring tape out.

[1128] Have you ever known of anyone that's given some sort of a review and it's actually changed the final product?

[1129] Because they listened to what people were saying about a leak product and went, wait, whoa, wait, hit the brakes.

[1130] This could be a disaster.

[1131] It's a good question.

[1132] Probably like on Kickstarter or something like that.

[1133] but not in a big I don't feel like they would ever let you know you know what I mean but I think brands are definitely paying attention to the chatter they need to and the market research is going deep now you know they they invest way too much money in creating these things to take a risk that everyone's going to hate it so and a guy like you is a direct line to that because yeah I'm tapped into the pipeline you're doing this all day long access to the vein yeah yeah this is my thing When I used to do cameras, I used to, when those little baby video cameras used to be, became really popular, whatever those were called.

[1134] Remember, used to have a couple of them.

[1135] The HD ones with the SD cards.

[1136] And Kodak had one.

[1137] And I did a really bad review on one of Kodak's little one first came out.

[1138] I know exactly what you're talking.

[1139] Yeah, and it was because of low, during low lighting and stuff like that, it had a bunch of fucked up problems.

[1140] Kodak, yeah, Kodak contact me. And they actually did a firmware upgrade based on just like that.

[1141] go there's an example yeah that's tremendous yeah this look that's a super valuable resource for a company because definitely they're not going to get that kind of objectivity from the people that work there and there's also a hierarchy with managers and people that work under the managers and maybe the manager's a dick he doesn't want to listen to mike's advice and mike you know mike is kind of soft -spoken but it's got really good ideas there's a lot of that social shit that goes on in the giant corporation something that doesn't get talked about is the is the cultural aspect.

[1142] Like, the vast majority of this stuff comes from halfway across the world, right?

[1143] We all know that.

[1144] I don't know what I can say on this, but...

[1145] Are you withholding information?

[1146] No, I'm not withholding information.

[1147] I'm just...

[1148] There's a...

[1149] Yeah, I'm not going to name it.

[1150] Just try a way to dance around it.

[1151] Yeah, I'm not going to name any brands.

[1152] Okay.

[1153] But some...

[1154] It rhymes in Am's Young.

[1155] Some are completely out of touch with the way life works over here.

[1156] Okay, in America.

[1157] I see.

[1158] That makes sense.

[1159] And it shines through in certain decision -making when it comes not only to products, but to the way they market those products, to the way they communicate with press or the way they communicate with their own people.

[1160] I've been in some circumstances where it's been very foreign.

[1161] That makes a tremendous amount of sense.

[1162] And it seems like, of course, it seems obvious.

[1163] Yeah, but everyone wants to pretend.

[1164] that user experience in Asia is the same thing that we're going to want here.

[1165] Right.

[1166] You know?

[1167] Like, how many...

[1168] Okay, I'm going to go on a bit of an Android rant right now.

[1169] This is a Nexus 5, okay?

[1170] Beautiful phone.

[1171] This is a Google product.

[1172] This is the unadulterated Android experience the way Google intended.

[1173] I don't know if they would attend to that wallpaper.

[1174] No, they probably didn't.

[1175] Actually, that's a good friend of mine.

[1176] Please don't say anything.

[1177] I don't even know what it is.

[1178] I'm just fucking around.

[1179] Oh, okay.

[1180] No, no, no, you're right.

[1181] It wouldn't be stock.

[1182] That's not a stock wallpaper.

[1183] But, um, uh, so they have the best developers in the world.

[1184] If you're a badass developer, where are you going to work?

[1185] Apple, Google, Amazon.

[1186] I mean, whatever.

[1187] Somewhere in Silicon Valley, somewhere in the Pacific Northwest, you'll be all set.

[1188] If you're the best developer in the world, you go into Asia.

[1189] Is that your number one priority?

[1190] Is that where you're going to go?

[1191] If you like Asian chicks and heroin.

[1192] Are you going to Japan in September?

[1193] So, so, so, but anyway, here's the problem.

[1194] The R &D that goes into that software, extensive.

[1195] So much money.

[1196] So many smart people, right?

[1197] What does Samsung do?

[1198] Three weeks, they overhaul the motherfucker.

[1199] Come on!

[1200] How are you going to take something that took that long to develop, and you're going to skin it, and you're going to change everything about it?

[1201] In three weeks?

[1202] Well, no, I'm exaggerating.

[1203] If you pick up a Samsung device, it's not the same as an LG device, it's not the same as a Motorola device, there's this fragmentation.

[1204] Right.

[1205] So it's because they want, It's called the F word, by the way, fragmentation.

[1206] F, what they call it the F word?

[1207] It's a big deal.

[1208] Because they decide to add their own user interface.

[1209] Their own...

[1210] Yeah, Samsung has their own thing that they do.

[1211] What is it called?

[1212] What's the Samsung stuff called?

[1213] Their UI is called TouchWiz.

[1214] Yeah, what?

[1215] You're not touching my dick, okay?

[1216] That's what I hear.

[1217] Touch whiz, what?

[1218] I'm peeing.

[1219] Right, so that's the original operating system and everything.

[1220] Do you...

[1221] Is it night and day difference?

[1222] Because I've always used, I guess, a skin version.

[1223] I've always used Sam...

[1224] Fuck them all.

[1225] Fuck all that shit.

[1226] This guy's hardcore, dude.

[1227] He's super hardcore.

[1228] He's like Antinopoulos.

[1229] Remember Antonopoulos said that?

[1230] He breaks everything down and roots it.

[1231] Yeah, here's a thing.

[1232] It's like, I just really believe in the intelligence level of the original developers.

[1233] And I can't imagine how they sleep at night knowing that most people's interpretation of Android is a galaxy device.

[1234] Get one of these nexus.

[1235] They're like artists, man. They're sitting there.

[1236] This is their art form.

[1237] And they're sitting there putting all of this energy into, simple decisions like the shape of an icon you know what i mean serious design and then someone goes he goes i will build a better icon it'll be a happy face no big deal it's you know it doesn't make any sense it would be like you get some beautiful painting and you send it halfway across the world to asia and tell them yeah do what you want with it right we never do that with any other kind of art that's interesting you're you're accepting it as an art form i guess you're right it's created someone creates it someone draws the whole thing up man yeah The guy behind this is Matthias Duarte.

[1238] He was at Google I .O., he's their lead designer on the...

[1239] And it's about to get overhauled as well.

[1240] The new version is called L. And it's even more beautiful, in my opinion, than what this 4 .4 .4 .4 that I'm working on right now.

[1241] Wow.

[1242] But here's another problem.

[1243] I'm using 4 .4 .4.

[1244] That's the latest Android OS.

[1245] What's that called?

[1246] It's always candy.

[1247] Kitcat, yeah.

[1248] The next...

[1249] This version, that's specific.

[1250] iteration of this software is, you will not find it on any Galaxy device right now, right?

[1251] The updates, and this, holy this is a big discussion because we're going to involve the carriers now.

[1252] The carriers are really to blame for enabling this process.

[1253] So, Android in the beginning, Android has had to make so many sacrifices to catch up.

[1254] And one of those sacrifices is letting carriers dictate how they're going to implement these devices, Verizon, AT &T, etc. So you buy a phone from Verizon, there's a bunch of bullshit from Verizon.

[1255] You boot it up and you see a Verizon logo, which is disgusting.

[1256] Dude, in some cases, they put the logo right on the outside of the phone.

[1257] There was a galaxy, I think the S4, had Verizon on the button on the front.

[1258] Tiny little button strapped with Verizon.

[1259] So those are changes that the carriers want to make because they're hoping to build their own ecosystems and capitalize more.

[1260] The carriers are, they're not in an innovative business.

[1261] They're in an accounting business.

[1262] Finding a way to just juice you for a few more pennies.

[1263] You can do a little ting spot right now except for Ting in the middle of the pockets.

[1264] That's it.

[1265] They're clever.

[1266] Now when an economy moves in that direction where their objective is just to pinch more pennies, what happens to innovation?

[1267] Takes a fucking nose dive.

[1268] A fucking nose dive.

[1269] A fucking nose dive.

[1270] It does.

[1271] And because all of a sudden now, the bottom line is affected by someone, some nerd with a report in front of them saying, just get rid of that, you know, whatever.

[1272] It's made through subtraction, not addition.

[1273] That's fascinating.

[1274] That's a really interesting way to look at it.

[1275] I really like the idea that it's a piece of art. I love that you're looking at it that way, because you're absolutely correct.

[1276] I think of it as technology, but it is something that's created, anything created is art. And it's certainly beautiful.

[1277] Yeah.

[1278] You know, I love, like, scrolling through, I love how Android, like my Galaxy Note 3 has like a different thing when I'm flipping through the pages.

[1279] Right, right.

[1280] I love that.

[1281] I get animation or something.

[1282] I love the fucking pen.

[1283] I love that they figured out how to do that.

[1284] You're using the.

[1285] 10 on a regular basis?

[1286] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[1287] I'm a comic, so I write notes.

[1288] I knew that part.

[1289] I'm a big, I think there's something about physically writing things that is a different impact.

[1290] And then I upload them to Evernote, so I have the actual note itself on my iPhone as well.

[1291] Definitely.

[1292] So, yeah.

[1293] Oh, dude, Evernote is fucking fantastic.

[1294] But what I really love about it is that you take like a note, like this here.

[1295] This is a note that I wrote on the note.

[1296] Wow, decent writing, man. Not bad, right?

[1297] And you could put it here, and it comes out like, you know, yellow paper.

[1298] Cool.

[1299] It's really big.

[1300] Can you see that?

[1301] You're not going to be able to see it because of the phone itself, just the glare.

[1302] But handwritten notes come off.

[1303] It's so responsive.

[1304] The pen is so responsive.

[1305] No, it is, definitely.

[1306] I agree.

[1307] Any handwritten note that you make looks really, like Alex O 'Hanian did.

[1308] He made a little Reddit alien on the note.

[1309] Right, right, right, right.

[1310] We put it up.

[1311] I mean, you do things with it.

[1312] There's no doubt that the signatures.

[1313] The pen is a far more, has far more precision than your fingertip.

[1314] Yeah.

[1315] No doubt about it.

[1316] So there's all kinds of industries that are affected by that.

[1317] Comedy is one, as you said, but also like artists, for example, are doing insane illustrations on the note.

[1318] Yeah.

[1319] Like, top quality stuff that they come on there.

[1320] It's, it's the apps that exist, like, uh, Different sketching app.

[1321] What do you got there?

[1322] Is that something for an app?

[1323] Oh, it's a sketching app.

[1324] Yeah, this is actually an art app, and it's great because it has, it's called Colorbox HD, and it has like every single pen you could possibly imagine.

[1325] Yeah, it uses the...

[1326] Like a mini Photoshop.

[1327] So if you have a favorite pen that you actually like, it has the same character.

[1328] Yeah.

[1329] So now when you draw with a pen, a stylus, what kind of stylus do you use?

[1330] Do you have a specific one to use?

[1331] No, I mean, I just got this app recently because I've been trying to draw more on my iPad.

[1332] I've been trying to use my iPad more.

[1333] Actually, I have two iPads, and I've been trying to just carry this around instead of a laptop lately.

[1334] Surface, Microsoft's version of it, you know, it just released this whole thing where you could trade in your old MacBook Air and get like $650 credit towards their new Surface, which is like their version of like this mixed with a laptop or a MacBook Air.

[1335] So I've been trying to see if I could just use this more.

[1336] Tony Hinchcup doesn't even have a computer.

[1337] Everything that he uses is just on an iPad.

[1338] That's ridiculous.

[1339] I know.

[1340] That is when I'm trying to see if I can get to, though.

[1341] Because I love this thing.

[1342] This is one of my favorite things of tech.

[1343] I just bought it hasn't been delivered yet, but I'm looking forward to it.

[1344] I bought a mechanical keyboard.

[1345] Yeah.

[1346] I want to hear...

[1347] You just got some major street cred in the tech world for doing that.

[1348] Yes, you did.

[1349] Ooh, nice.

[1350] I miss that.

[1351] Of course you do.

[1352] Yeah.

[1353] It comes back to user experience in general.

[1354] Well, I think about, yeah, user experience is very critical.

[1355] I think about things that I enjoy.

[1356] I drive a manual transmission.

[1357] most of the time.

[1358] I like that.

[1359] I like shifting the gears.

[1360] I'm a part of it.

[1361] It's an enjoyable experience.

[1362] It's tactile.

[1363] You feel the snicks of the gear.

[1364] I mean, I wouldn't want to do it if I was stuck in traffic all the time.

[1365] But if I'm not stuck in traffic, I know I'm not going to be.

[1366] I'll drive that car.

[1367] And I think there's something to that, tactile experience.

[1368] For sure.

[1369] There's a lot of pushback happening now.

[1370] Digital interfaces, people miss all kinds.

[1371] Mechanical keyboards are a perfect example.

[1372] It's also an issue with cars, electronic steering.

[1373] Electric steering is a new thing in sports cars.

[1374] Really?

[1375] And, yeah, what people don't like about, there's actually a blowback, and more people are buying older sports cars that have no steering, no, like, power steering.

[1376] Right.

[1377] Like the old Porsches.

[1378] Wow.

[1379] The old Porsches were super light cars, and they had manual steering.

[1380] So you turn the wheel, you felt everything.

[1381] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1382] You're connected to those front wheels like a go -cart.

[1383] Right.

[1384] And the new ones are totally electrical.

[1385] so it's sort of like a video game there's no difference like if you have a hard turn or if you have an easy turn there's no difference in the amount of it's correcting yeah yeah it's just going yeah same as the transmissions uh i drove a gtr which has a oh yeah the electronic transmission that's uh can can behave can can can shift more efficiently than any human yeah but it's like what is that really about you know what are we really what are we really connected to like is it do we really need to go that split second faster or Do we get more out of it, like you said, through feeling more of it?

[1386] Yes.

[1387] It's hard to really pinpoint.

[1388] If you have an old -school muscle car and it's an automatic, you're missing out on half the fun of having an old -school muscle car.

[1389] Right, right, right.

[1390] Like shifting those gears yourself.

[1391] I had an automatic barracuda, and I hated it.

[1392] I hated the fact that it was automatic.

[1393] You used to drive me crazy, but that's how...

[1394] When they were building it, they were saying there's no way to put this engine with a manual trance.

[1395] They're just knuckleheads.

[1396] Right.

[1397] But I talked to a guy.

[1398] I was going to have it fixed up before I want up just selling it and getting rid of because it was just a content.

[1399] There was a negative connotation, probably associated.

[1400] Well, not because of the automatic transmission.

[1401] Oh.

[1402] It was because of the bill.

[1403] I had a bill for a television show, and there was all those behind the scenes drama.

[1404] Not from the people that made the show, but the builders of the car itself.

[1405] Oh.

[1406] It's a lot of nightmare shit that I don't want to get into.

[1407] Right, right, right.

[1408] The big nightmare shit was that I don't trust those things.

[1409] I got it home, and as I was pulling into my driveway, the suspension.

[1410] Oh, right.

[1411] I heard you say this.

[1412] Yes.

[1413] I was just on the highway 10 minutes ago going 65, 70, miles of hour in that fucking death trap, which would have been horrendous.

[1414] If that blew out, I would crash into other people.

[1415] I know.

[1416] Who knows?

[1417] And what if I was responsible for someone else being injured or killed?

[1418] I would have felt horrible just to drive this cool thing.

[1419] Yeah, it's true.

[1420] I feel, I sometimes get that feeling about fast cars in general.

[1421] Like, I feel like...

[1422] It become great responsibility.

[1423] I feel like you drive that car and you get in an accident and it's completely not your fault and everyone goes, look at the dickhead in the fast car.

[1424] Absolutely.

[1425] And they should.

[1426] I guess.

[1427] They should.

[1428] it does say something about I guess it says something about your personality.

[1429] Well, the auto insurers would say it does.

[1430] It also says something about your ability to control something and the problem with buying a fast car is that they don't have any gauge whatsoever on your ability to control it.

[1431] No. Say like Tanner Faust, who's a race car driver, the guy on top gear.

[1432] I know him, yep.

[1433] If that guy walks into a Corvette dealership and buys a Corvette, you can be, rest assured, he knows how to handle that car.

[1434] But there's a lot of people that get in those things.

[1435] They hit the gas, they just spin into trees and slamming...

[1436] Yeah, I know, sometimes I feel like it is kind of bizarre that they let people walk out of the shop with 500 horsepower.

[1437] How about more?

[1438] How about in a shitty chassis?

[1439] Like, this new Shelby Mustangs, I fucking love the Shelby Mustangs.

[1440] Right.

[1441] And they're not that good.

[1442] They have a solid rear axle.

[1443] I mean, it's a massive piece of engineering to control that solid rear axle, but you could get one for like $50 ,000 and it has $6 ,000.

[1444] 50 fucking horse pound.

[1445] Right, right, right.

[1446] That's insane.

[1447] It is.

[1448] And it's so fun to drive.

[1449] They're one of the most fun American cars ever created.

[1450] The new Shelby Mustangs.

[1451] They're not the best handling car.

[1452] Of course, yeah.

[1453] They don't break the best.

[1454] Breaks are mushy.

[1455] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1456] And, if you get a convertible, you might as well be driving around in a fucking wet lasagna noodle.

[1457] Yeah.

[1458] I mean, they're bouncing.

[1459] But the tactile feel that you get from those is so fun.

[1460] Right.

[1461] The boom, the engine, the whine of the fucking, you hear the supercharging.

[1462] of wine, I mean...

[1463] I think sometimes efficiency is boring.

[1464] Fuck, yeah, Prius's suck.

[1465] Yeah.

[1466] Those are boring as shit.

[1467] Not just fuel efficiency, but efficiency in general.

[1468] Like, think about coffee, for example.

[1469] You could find some crazy way to precision engineer some coffee bean and get it into a form factor that could ship to you already made.

[1470] But you talk to any coffee connoisseur, and it's like, they've got to get the beans.

[1471] They got to roast the beans.

[1472] They got to put them in the grinder.

[1473] You know, part of the...

[1474] experience is not just the consumption of it, but everything leading up to it.

[1475] Actually, I heard you talking about addiction last night, and I was thinking, and you were talking about ritual on a podcast last night.

[1476] Yes.

[1477] And I mean, I really, it seems to me that, at least in my business, the ritual is the thing.

[1478] The wanting is way better than the having.

[1479] It's a lot of it.

[1480] I think it's better than the having.

[1481] I don't know about all that.

[1482] Because you want to know what happens when you have something is you immediately start to think about whether or not.

[1483] you should still have it you know like it has to enter your mind at some point i think that's an attitude though i think that's a matter of focus because there are things that i have that you'll never get rid of never feel like that that you'll never get rid of no my car i i mean i might one day sell it you will one day sell it but i love it i've had it for a couple years i'm not saying you can't love products i'm just saying it's like a relationship it just changes when you when you see a really hot girl and you start to hit it off or whatever that's a certain thing type of magic that can't ever happen again that's true yeah you can't ever recreate that and some people go their whole lives trying to get new magic to that first high i have a friend who did that for the longest time he eventually got married and had a kid but one of the things he said he goes i just want a lot of beginnings there you go he goes he goes he goes i don't like relationships man he goes in the beginning everybody's trying so hard right everybody's so excited everybody's so friendly and he goes and then all sudden bitches are yelling at you showing up at your house overnight I just want a bunch of beginnings where people like me. But not to pull this back and make it super nerdy, but it's the same thing here.

[1484] Right.

[1485] My channel is called Unbox Therapy for a reason, that there is some kind of intangible thing that happens when you get some new thing.

[1486] Yeah, I think there's definitely something to it, but there's also what you people would say, it's material fetishism, that you're, when you're done constantly obsessing about materials, maybe you should go for a fucking hike.

[1487] Maybe you should go out and look at the birds and see the meadows.

[1488] Except that the eventual future is everybody lying down on a couch with a VR headset, interacting with a world that isn't real.

[1489] I think that's possible.

[1490] I think it's probably inevitable.

[1491] I mean, scientists believe that it may be going on right now.

[1492] That might be the world we actually live in.

[1493] It's just so complex and so good.

[1494] Totally good be.

[1495] I wanted to talk about this cardboard over here.

[1496] What is it?

[1497] Getting back to VR.

[1498] This is, I could tell you weren't excited when I first picked it up because it's a piece of damn bar.

[1499] Why, I assume there's something inside of it.

[1500] There's nothing inside of it?

[1501] Yeah, for real?

[1502] Oh, let's play this game.

[1503] Guess what it is, Joe Rogan?

[1504] Let me hold it.

[1505] Okay, but you can't open it, though.

[1506] Okay.

[1507] It stays this way.

[1508] Yeah, you know nothing of this, I assume?

[1509] No, absolutely nothing.

[1510] Okay.

[1511] To me, I would assume there's like a memory card in here or a screen or something that you're protecting.

[1512] Okay.

[1513] That this is the shipping material.

[1514] That's what I would assume.

[1515] Yeah.

[1516] This is the first thing they gave us at I .O. Before they gave us any watches, and this is the world's cheapest VR headset right here.

[1517] Okay.

[1518] There you go.

[1519] That's what it is.

[1520] Huh.

[1521] So it opens up.

[1522] It opens up.

[1523] There's lenses inside of it.

[1524] You build it.

[1525] And it is a place that the phone sits.

[1526] And this is NFC enabled.

[1527] Your phone sits on it.

[1528] So your phone mounts inside of here.

[1529] And the NFC on the back of the phone will launch an application.

[1530] And that application on the screen then is going to display through the lenses in interactivity similar to Oculus Rift.

[1531] but right here with a piece of cardboard for five bucks.

[1532] See, that's what happens, man. Someone gets cocky and he spent billions of dollars developing Oculus Rift and someone comes along and says, not only fuck you, but fuck you with cardboard.

[1533] Well, here's, Google did say, fuck you with cardboard, but the real reason for that is because VR is, it's going to be tough to sell in the long run.

[1534] It's too expensive, it's too elaborate, and so developers won't get on board.

[1535] So this is a development material, development kit so that the imaginations of developers everywhere, they can check out what their app might be like if they did a virtual reality version of it.

[1536] So for folks who are listening to this, which is most people, most people download this and listen to it, what we're looking at is like, say if you ever order a book on Amazon .com and it comes in a little box, it's very similar to that.

[1537] Or maybe back when you used to buy CDs, you'd buy a CD on Amazon that would get delivered to you, maybe you can still do that.

[1538] They would look like that.

[1539] it's a small maybe like 10 by 8 right 10 by 8 probably yeah something like that just looks like a piece cardboard have you done this yet nope can we do it now i don't know how smooth it's gonna be we'll just know we'll talk about other shit while you do it but let's just check it out okay let's see how long it takes let's do it because i am completely fascinated and i'm sure we can hashtag think of things to talk about hashtag cardboard uh it's uh g .co slash cardboard i believe is the site if you want to know more about it so lewis is opening this stuff And there's a bunch of things in there for folks who are listening.

[1540] This magnet as well controls your interactivity with the device.

[1541] So you click by touching this magnet.

[1542] Whoa.

[1543] Okay, so what he's got here is he's unfolded the Amazon box.

[1544] Oh, it looks like an Amazon box.

[1545] I need scissors, guys.

[1546] Oh, no, I don't.

[1547] This is perforated.

[1548] Of course it is.

[1549] It does show scissors, but I don't think I need to.

[1550] Yeah, let's get the scissors.

[1551] Let's not fuck this up.

[1552] This is the first time.

[1553] I'm sure we have.

[1554] of scissors here that's how we cut our butter so this this is cut our butter oh perfect so he's uh taking this apart right now this is exclusive by the way is it no i don't think so no okay let's pretend it is some other developers lie to me bro probably did it but it's it's a mass media exclusive right now um so he's uh he's cutting this um this box open and inside the box or inside this folded up piece of cardboard.

[1555] There's lenses, too, um, that look like those little, uh, instimatic things.

[1556] What are those things called?

[1557] Do you, you press that button and those, those, no, you know, it's sort of like a Polaroid, but you remember those old school things?

[1558] We'd press it, and there would like be a picture of a dinosaur and you'd look at it.

[1559] Ooh.

[1560] Viewmaster.

[1561] Yeah.

[1562] Very much like viewmaster lenses, but I'm assuming they're a high quality lens, it's just embedded in this plastic.

[1563] Oh, God.

[1564] They look pretty slick.

[1565] Does it look good?

[1566] I'm not supposed to be looking that distance.

[1567] Oh, yeah.

[1568] Well, put this all together.

[1569] I'm going through the whole user experience.

[1570] No, no, no, no, I'm not.

[1571] I'm not.

[1572] I'm just, I'm a little bit perplexed right now.

[1573] To insert, I think you should have to build this.

[1574] There you go.

[1575] Joe Rogan builds Google Cardboard.

[1576] It's a good idea.

[1577] Is there any directions?

[1578] The directions are only what's on there and a finished product picture.

[1579] To assemble, insert the numbered tabs into the corresponding slots.

[1580] Okay, 4, 4, 3, 6, 2...

[1581] So everything's numbered.

[1582] That's interesting how they did it.

[1583] Oh, you know what?

[1584] In the meantime, I'm going to hop on the Wi -Fi with this device, so it's ready to go.

[1585] Yeah, this is not good for a podcast.

[1586] No, not at all.

[1587] I'm not going to talk.

[1588] I told you.

[1589] We'll try it out after...

[1590] Yeah, we'll post a quick video here.

[1591] Yeah, we could do that.

[1592] We could do a quick video experimentation.

[1593] But the role here is not only to say, you to Facebook for spending $2 billion, but to essentially say that VR is not going to get anywhere in its current state.

[1594] And to give a sort of way to prototype applications without necessarily investing in a VR headset, that's the objective of this product.

[1595] However, I mean, the games on the iPhone didn't kill PlayStation 1 or 4 or whatever the fuck.

[1596] They didn't kill it, but the rumor is these are the last of the consoles.

[1597] Really?

[1598] Yep.

[1599] For example, the 360 and the PlayStation 3 lasted for a decade.

[1600] Yeah, but the experience of like, I just got an Xbox one recently.

[1601] You playing that UFC game?

[1602] No, I haven't played it yet.

[1603] I think you and I should do one, one, one versus one, it would get a shit ton of views.

[1604] Yeah, that would be fun.

[1605] I would definitely do that.

[1606] I narrated it, though.

[1607] It would be weird playing with my own voice.

[1608] Oh, right, that's true.

[1609] You did narrate it.

[1610] Yeah.

[1611] I forgot about that.

[1612] No, that shit took forever.

[1613] That would be extra cool.

[1614] That shit took forever.

[1615] Yeah, I had to narrate all the specific movements, specific combinations, specific Dude, it came out well, though.

[1616] Oh, they know what they're doing, man. Because in the old days, you boot up, like, a basketball game or something, and it's all the cadence is off.

[1617] You know, and you can tell where the different phrases are inserted.

[1618] Yeah.

[1619] Yours is smooth, man. Yeah, they're bad motherfuckers.

[1620] They know what they're doing.

[1621] Yeah.

[1622] So did you go up to Vancouver for that?

[1623] No, no. We did it all in Calabasas, actually.

[1624] Oh, really?

[1625] Okay.

[1626] I know they have a big studio in Vancouver.

[1627] Yeah, they have studios.

[1628] They rent studio space here, too.

[1629] Oh, okay.

[1630] Warning, the following glitches are very rarely occur in the game actually kicks all sorts of ass.

[1631] Also, this isn't actually Rogan and Goldberg's silly.

[1632] Oh, this is Tommy Two -Tone or Tommy Toehold brother.

[1633] He does a good Joe Rogan voice.

[1634] Let me hear it.

[1635] Put the volume on.

[1636] Is this an impersonation?

[1637] Yeah.

[1638] It's using glitches from the game.

[1639] This is really happening.

[1640] It's pretty good.

[1641] Alexander Gustafson, John Jones.

[1642] And here we, it is all over.

[1643] Goldie and Joe commentate UFC glitches.

[1644] What technique is to DeVosantos utilizing here?

[1645] Mike, he's pretending to be a turtle that can't flip over.

[1646] He's trying to confuse Frank Mear.

[1647] Oh, that was you?

[1648] No, it's an impression of me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I know.

[1649] Take down using only his feet, and he got it.

[1650] There's some great glitch.

[1651] Look at this.

[1652] The mummy guard.

[1653] You know, EA's not happy about this right now.

[1654] Oh, you know what?

[1655] I think they might have to do like this switch band.

[1656] No, dude.

[1657] No, dude.

[1658] This guy's going to get fucked up for this.

[1659] Oh, my God.

[1660] Look how bad it.

[1661] Which is?

[1662] Joe, one of the benefits of completely freezing your body during the fight with yourself.

[1663] Well, one of the advantages is that your opponent is completely confused.

[1664] He's unsure if you're a real person anymore.

[1665] Look how good that Cormier body moves.

[1666] And it is great for takedowns.

[1667] As you can see, Cormier has lighted two now.

[1668] And the Iceman is back on his feet.

[1669] This crowd is going crazy, Joe.

[1670] Oh!

[1671] Referee Eve Levine with the psychic knockout!

[1672] Oh, they got connected with each other.

[1673] This is funny.

[1674] Look at this.

[1675] Look at this.

[1676] Look at this.

[1677] He's been landing those effectively all night, Joe.

[1678] Gustafson is so elusive, Joe.

[1679] What did the guy just flew through the air?

[1680] What are they doing to make a guy do that?

[1681] I want to know what they do.

[1682] They're probably, yeah.

[1683] I mean, it's a glitch, obviously, but what is the combination that makes the character behave like this.

[1684] Dusts if for folks just listening to this, he's flying through the air, like spinning around and flipping and then landing on his head and flipping around.

[1685] Carlush with a nice 70 -foot sliding takedown.

[1686] Oh, she's out, Joe.

[1687] She's out, and Liz Karmouche doesn't realize it.

[1688] Karmouche doesn't know that Ronda Rousey's out.

[1689] So she's punching at the air on the ground.

[1690] Eve Levine looking intensely at the action.

[1691] Karmouche is going to tire herself out, Mike.

[1692] Ronda needs to be careful not to hit her in the back of the head.

[1693] Right into the butt -back mount.

[1694] The butt -back mouth.

[1695] The butt -back mouth.

[1696] There's no answer for this mummy guard.

[1697] Yeah, people listen to this.

[1698] You're not going to get anything out of this.

[1699] So just go to E .A. Watch how.

[1700] UFC glitches.

[1701] Tommy Toeholds, he's a really funny guy.

[1702] He does a lot of these videos.

[1703] He's got a whole series of them.

[1704] Really funny stuff on most of it on UFC and MMA.

[1705] Watch how it ends.

[1706] I think it ends.

[1707] Eve Levine with a big win again.

[1708] He had nothing happens.

[1709] It's hilarious.

[1710] It's funny.

[1711] So those glitches.

[1712] is not good.

[1713] No. They're upset that you just show that, actually.

[1714] I'm sorry.

[1715] Tough shit.

[1716] Because...

[1717] It's not going to keep people from buying it.

[1718] I think it's just a patch of wave to fix that.

[1719] I think that's just funny enough to people go, wow, there's a new UFC game out?

[1720] Right.

[1721] Right.

[1722] But that's the reason I'm like that I'm not fully on board with it is only because it kind of fucks up the relationship between independent content creators and game developers.

[1723] Because what they do is...

[1724] It's reality.

[1725] They're going to take a hard -line stance.

[1726] And then it happened with Nintendo.

[1727] They fucked up.

[1728] There were guys making a career posting videos about Nintendo shit.

[1729] Gone.

[1730] Complete career over.

[1731] Hmm.

[1732] Well, that's bad on Nintendo.

[1733] Yeah, and Nintendo got shit for it, but it doesn't change the reality.

[1734] You know, why, Joe?

[1735] Because they could attach all that money, all that advertising YouTube money to, that's an extra income now for Nintendo to be able to put Nintendo videos up now.

[1736] Nintendo owns the rights to it, so they get money off all these.

[1737] There's a real, It's a discussion about whose intellectual property that is that we just watched.

[1738] Right.

[1739] Did we watch something from E .A. Or did we watch something from Tommy Toehold?

[1740] Toehold.

[1741] And he doesn't have a product without them.

[1742] Right.

[1743] He doesn't have a product without them in this instance.

[1744] So they might put a block on that particular video.

[1745] Oh, I doubt they would.

[1746] This is why I doubt they would.

[1747] It's because the UFC sanctions his show.

[1748] They like his show.

[1749] Cool.

[1750] So I'm sure he has some sort of an arrangement with them.

[1751] Yeah.

[1752] So I don't think it's going to be an issue.

[1753] I think, oh, for the record, I think it's funny as hell.

[1754] and I would totally watch it.

[1755] All I was trying to say is that I've seen, I have a lot of friends in the gaming side of YouTube, and it's a fucking disaster.

[1756] Yeah, how does that work?

[1757] Like, when guys are doing comments, when they're commentating on a match, who owns that?

[1758] Like StarCrash or StarCraft, rather?

[1759] Those are big things, right?

[1760] True, yeah.

[1761] Podcasts and...

[1762] Most of the super competitive gaming, the developers are on board with it, because that's the big part of their business model.

[1763] Yeah.

[1764] but generally speaking they're also involved in the events themselves and the setup and whatnot so they have more control than an independent guy in his bedroom or whatever his office chopping together something like that right you know but there are enormous YouTubers like tens of 10 million subscribers 20 million subscribers whatever that their whole model is playing games other people's intellectual property and there is no clear guideline yet on what's considered fair use and what isn't especially when you're commercializing the the content well the guys who make create the video games though would be foolish to try to stop any sort of an interactive community like that's what we all think but again you've got some gray -haired dudes sitting in an office that they actually got the job after blockbuster went under these motherfuckers and uh and you know that's that's their way of that's that's the way they behave and it's not gonna change overnight listen this is how blockbuster went down i warned them okay i was on the board i told them you gotta be careful because these DVDs are on the way.

[1765] DVDs and laser discs are going to ruin our market.

[1766] It's amazing.

[1767] Well, pretty much everything within the next couple of years.

[1768] I mean, I have a CD slot that I, a USB CD slot that I attach to this.

[1769] Oh, externally.

[1770] Or DVDs on.

[1771] Right.

[1772] Never used it once.

[1773] Yeah.

[1774] Never touched it.

[1775] No. And it made me realize, like, remember when the floppy disk went away and everybody fucking freaked out?

[1776] Like Apple said, no more floppy.

[1777] Right.

[1778] No. You can't fucking.

[1779] Well, that's the weird thing about technology.

[1780] We were talking earlier about.

[1781] Oh, about how these devices are becoming almost a status simple.

[1782] Having old shit is people who are going to sneer at you.

[1783] You rock an old computer or an old disk.

[1784] Hand somebody a CD.

[1785] See what they do.

[1786] They get upset.

[1787] Go over some chick's house.

[1788] She's got some old -ass computer.

[1789] You're going to be like, this bitch is a brokster.

[1790] Crazy -ass, old -ass computer.

[1791] There's a weird, there's a, there's like a tech prejudice.

[1792] Why don't you have an R -key?

[1793] You don't have an R -key?

[1794] You just press that button?

[1795] You know where the archie used to be?

[1796] Put a piece of tape over that thing.

[1797] Fold some tape up, draw the letter R on it, and stick it over that little button.

[1798] Do you save old tech?

[1799] Like, I just found my old dash the other day.

[1800] I wasn't one that had the first dash.

[1801] I have a dash.

[1802] That's not, there's a certain age at which I think it becomes cool again, kind of like cars.

[1803] Like, I recently showed my four -year -old, the original Sega Genesis, and we were playing Streets of Rage.

[1804] And he fucking dominated.

[1805] At four, that's hilarious.

[1806] gave me that game at four.

[1807] Right.

[1808] I'd be crying.

[1809] You know, so, yeah, I like to sort of go back in those origin stories in my childhood and stuff like that.

[1810] I did a unboxing video of the original NES, Nintendo, 1985.

[1811] Found one in mint condition in the box.

[1812] People in the comments were telling me, like, listen, this brought tears to my eyes.

[1813] Did you smell first?

[1814] I swear to God, but it's not because of the product, right?

[1815] It's because of the promise.

[1816] If you remember being a kid and that NES being under that Christmas tree, at that, moment, even if your dad was a fuck up, you know, your mom was a bitch, that console, strong words.

[1817] That console for a moment guaranteed a certain number of hours together because people used to game together.

[1818] Like, for me and my brother, that's what it was.

[1819] The thing is under the tree, you look at one another, you're like, I know what this means.

[1820] It's not about the console.

[1821] And this is a huge problem with gaming now.

[1822] Is that it's all online.

[1823] Yet the most beautiful shit happens in real life.

[1824] You want to fuck up the guy next to you, Not some dude in who knows where.

[1825] Right, that's why land parties are so fun.

[1826] Yeah, exactly.

[1827] You high -five each other after you fucking shoot each other at death.

[1828] We used to do it in my parents' house, main floor upstairs.

[1829] And then immediately after the multiplayer match would be over, the losing team would run up to where the winning team was and immediately start fighting, you know, whatever, goofing around, like get pissed, yell at one another, go back, do another round, et cetera.

[1830] Yeah, those are fun, man. Land parties are fun.

[1831] That's so true, too, about so many games taking place online now.

[1832] so much of the experience is people not interacting with other people online that's a very different experience than being in a room like if we set up computers on this beautiful big ass table this would be a great place for like a land party this would be the coolest land party ever I'm down definitely we should totally have a fucking quake party here I'm down I haven't played quaking forever I bet I suck I would be I'd be my ass I was never that good so well I was never good but I was good compared to regular people but I got listen to this elitist talk over there.

[1833] It's true.

[1834] Good compared to regular people.

[1835] Compared to regular people, I'll fuck you up.

[1836] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1837] But compared to, like, those real quake players, right?

[1838] Like, those guys always killed me. Well, see, this is about, like, the brands trying to own the entire experience.

[1839] Right.

[1840] They want to own not just your money when you buy the game, but they want to own everything you do with that game after the fact.

[1841] Well, I'd like that you take this psychological approach, though, because I think it's very interesting.

[1842] Not just the psychological approach is, too, the reason why people become fanboys about particular brands.

[1843] but the interactive experience of two people enjoying a video game together like those those fight games those karate games you know like mortal combat style we do get it out with each other that's half the fun is that you're doing it with another person we used to uh you know get home from school and i mean you knew who was good the guy who was good was the guy down the street yep you know it's like dude beat the game didn't die once you know there were legends legends were made you know now It's an anonymous face somewhere else, and everyone's bitching and complaining online.

[1844] You get on Xbox Live.

[1845] It's a disaster.

[1846] The thing about those games, though, is that they can make the day vanish.

[1847] Oh, definitely.

[1848] They are magic.

[1849] Yeah.

[1850] You throw those games on your day, and oh, look, you're starving to death, and it's three in the morning.

[1851] You're like, what the fuck happened?

[1852] That happened.

[1853] Fuck, yeah, did.

[1854] What was it?

[1855] World of Warcraft?

[1856] Yeah.

[1857] The baby died?

[1858] More than one?

[1859] Yeah.

[1860] More than one.

[1861] There was a few of them.

[1862] It was war, yeah, Warcraft.

[1863] See, those games scares the shit.

[1864] me i won't get invested for that reason dude i think what's going to happen though especially with all the apple TVs and and like google TVs and stuff that we're getting going to they're going to start taking over the game market to a point where all our phones are going to be controllers like if you have an apple tv you can use you know we could download a angry birds and we all come over to my house we all pull out our phones that can happen put up your controller app and we all are playing well you can already send we have apple tv you could already send images and video to the screen you could watch it up on a big screen but but also watch a video Ultimately, they can't, unless you're connected, unless you're tapped in, Oculus Rift style plugged in, they can't monetize what's going on here, the enjoyment we're having.

[1865] They don't want that.

[1866] It doesn't do fuck all for them.

[1867] Like the Nintendo Wii, when it first launched, it was all about getting together with friends, right?

[1868] It didn't even have online gaming, I believe.

[1869] And you play Wii sports and people are goofing around in front of the fucking TV and dancing and doing whatever it was.

[1870] It got to a point, and then now Nintendo has all kinds of problems because at first it was like it was immediately appealing and then it eventually fizzled out.

[1871] It didn't have that same kind of...

[1872] Nobody gives a fuck about Wii.

[1873] I never hear we.

[1874] Exactly.

[1875] Exactly.

[1876] Put it in your bedroom.

[1877] It changes everything.

[1878] Yeah.

[1879] What happens?

[1880] Oh, you're back to playing it?

[1881] I took my Wii U, never used it.

[1882] I got the new Wii U. Yeah.

[1883] It has a nice big controller.

[1884] I have a tablet and stuff.

[1885] Never touched it.

[1886] Decided fuck it.

[1887] I'm going to put it in my bedroom TV, use it for Netflix.

[1888] Now I can't get enough of it because it's got a huge screen.

[1889] So you're scrolling through Netflix.

[1890] Yeah, it's true.

[1891] Surfing the net.

[1892] And then you watch it on the screen.

[1893] Yeah.

[1894] and you watch it on screen, it's the perfect bedroom video game.

[1895] So better as a controller than as a video game console.

[1896] Yeah, it kind of is, but it's just great because your controller is like, it's like having an iPad, and you're searching for videos on Netflix or stuff like that.

[1897] Which is way better than using your remote control to find the R, dook, dook, dook, Dock, Dock, Dock, Dock, Dock, S. You know, when you're trying to find the name of a movie, that is annoying as fuck.

[1898] You can't just go like that and put Apocalypse Now, you know?

[1899] What do you think about the Microsoft version of that?

[1900] The Xbox, the Connect, is that what it's called?

[1901] Yeah.

[1902] What is it called?

[1903] Connect, yeah.

[1904] And it's like a video, a thing.

[1905] Yep, it's a camera.

[1906] Sees your body move.

[1907] Yeah.

[1908] How is that?

[1909] Not ready for prime time?

[1910] Oh, it works.

[1911] You don't look excited.

[1912] It's great.

[1913] There was a huge controversy with it over them having it all be always on.

[1914] Right, so they could watch you fuck on the couch.

[1915] So I don't do, do, do, do you.

[1916] That's your shame.

[1917] We seem to keep coming back to that podcast.

[1918] Welcome to the podcast.

[1919] Yeah, but...

[1920] We're immature.

[1921] Perfect, perfect spot.

[1922] So there was a big controversy at first that nobody wanted it, and they were including it anyways.

[1923] Then it was going to be always on, and then it was going to be expensive, and all that shit.

[1924] And the reason I think people don't want it is because, like, an Xbox buyer, you've got to look at the core demographic of who's going to get an Xbox the minute it comes out.

[1925] There's a certain sex and a certain age group, et cetera, that that stuff is popular with, and they want to, you know, run around shooting people online, essentially.

[1926] the vast majority, or play sports games or whatever it is.

[1927] And there's just only so much you can do right now in terms of a motion game.

[1928] Do I want to do dance -dance revolution?

[1929] Yes.

[1930] Do I want to do...

[1931] Why don't people learn martial arts on those things?

[1932] Like, striking martial arts?

[1933] You could learn...

[1934] That's the Joe Rogan game.

[1935] The fitness apps, Joe, are some of the best things about the connect because it reads your body.

[1936] And so, like, if you're doing some kind of hard workout that they have available using Xbox Fitness, it will tell you if you're not bending your arms, right, and it'll be like, bend your arms, binge your arms, and then it tracks how much calories.

[1937] So much to do that with martial arts techniques.

[1938] Yeah, because...

[1939] No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Not somebody with his credibility.

[1940] That would be something that would be really beneficial to someone learning martial arts techniques, because most of the striking techniques, whether it's striking with your hands or with your feet, knees, and elbows, you're learning them in the air before you ever strike things.

[1941] Right.

[1942] So as like a beginner sort of, Not even just as a beginner, like one of the most important things when I teach people kicks, specific kicks, is practicing them in the air.

[1943] Because if you're constantly relying on hitting something to maintain your balance and to maintain the distribution of your weight, you bounce off of things.

[1944] And you'll rely on those things and you don't penetrate them enough.

[1945] And one of the keys to learning how to kick correctly is actually learning how to kick in the air.

[1946] It's also controlling the dexterity of your legs because you're not relying.

[1947] on anything to stop the momentum of your shot, you have to tighten up your entire body on the extension of the kick or the punch.

[1948] And so in doing so, you actually strengthen the tendons, and if you're doing it correctly, you develop more dexterity, more dexterity when you're throwing kicks.

[1949] Like your ability, there was always a thing in demonstrations.

[1950] My instructor when I was a kid, J. Hunt Kim, would do these, he was do these really impressive demonstrations where they would throw kicks at your face, like you would stand there and they would stop them, like right here, like stop, we would all do that in demonstrations.

[1951] Michael O'Malley, who's another one of my instructors, who's this incredible Taekwondo Blackbell, multiple -time national champion, and he's a big, tall guy, and he would throw these insanely impressive kicks like half an inch from your face.

[1952] Just wheel kicks where the toe just, whoo!

[1953] He knew, because he threw so many kicks in the air, he knew where objects were, he knew how to stop, so he developed this dexterity.

[1954] So you could use that, the teaching things correctly.

[1955] All you would essentially need is an open area where you could extend your legs fully.

[1956] That's what I was just about to say is that how many people are going to put their foot through their TV?

[1957] There's actually two games that I know of.

[1958] One's called UFC Trainer, which is a game that just does that.

[1959] It teaches you different UFC moves.

[1960] But there's a new Rhonda Rousey one also.

[1961] Hollow.

[1962] It just does that.

[1963] It pretty much does that.

[1964] It uses your connect, and it teaches you different moves.

[1965] Moves.

[1966] Kick to the balls?

[1967] Really?

[1968] Ready, kick the balls.

[1969] Look at this.

[1970] Ready, go.

[1971] And kick the balls.

[1972] This is ridiculous.

[1973] Get the fuck out of it.

[1974] Can you do a cunt punt?

[1975] Can you do a...

[1976] Okay.

[1977] I just want to identify something when you...

[1978] As you had that video up, did anybody notice the physique of the two guys playing?

[1979] The average video game player.

[1980] Yeah.

[1981] Like, there's your problem.

[1982] Have you ever seen the Magic the Gathering photo where the dude went to a Magic the Gathering place and took pictures of everybody's ass crows?

[1983] you know like giving a thumbs up in front of all these different ass cracks like and you know so that's what i'm getting at though with the connect is it's like for guys that are really into that thing you don't have a problem getting out of the house anyway you know what i mean it's like is a latest is there yeah those goddamn people who move their bodies that's right that's right exactly so i don't know i don't know if motion gaming will ever be will ever be a big thing or if it is a big thing it's going to be so far down the road that it's just so immersive it's so amazing I like it more for Skype I like it more for like different applications connect connect yeah it's so cool being able to Skype with like I could call you on my Xbox call Joe Rogan and video Skype with you and you're on my projector yeah that's cool that's pretty dope that's some god damn science fiction shit right there that is pretty dope do you ever do that on the road do you ever bring a laptop on the road and HDMI it to the TV and Skype through the TV and Yeah, I...

[1984] No. I was at the airport the other day and some kid was bringing his console.

[1985] Oh, my.

[1986] The whole deal.

[1987] Controllers.

[1988] People do that.

[1989] People do that.

[1990] I mean, to be honest, I'm not that addicted.

[1991] I feel like this whole process of doing what I do has actually desensitized me in a way to a lot of this stuff.

[1992] Like, I think I was in some ways more of a fanatic before than now.

[1993] Really?

[1994] Does that make any sense?

[1995] Hmm.

[1996] How come?

[1997] Are you jaded?

[1998] Maybe.

[1999] Hmm, but you don't seem like it No, I'm not Maybe you're just normalized What it is is it's like So much For a lot of people Like I said These devices are really important to them They get some new thing That's like a super highlight Etcetera Of course you're gonna be psychologically impacted When companies are just sending you fucking everything How can it not?

[2000] It affects the process Everything Everything Do you get to keep them?

[2001] No, not everything I shouldn't say everything Do you get to keep them This I don't You have to pay for your laptop.

[2002] Apple's the Apple won't give you shit.

[2003] Really?

[2004] Ever.

[2005] Well, why don't you use something that's, you say, if you say there's all these Windows computers that are great, just the user experience, it's not as good?

[2006] When?

[2007] He loves Windows, Joe.

[2008] No, I'm not paid by it.

[2009] Read between the lines.

[2010] You can think for yourselves, ladies and gentlemen.

[2011] You hear this clearly as I do.

[2012] Let me put it this way.

[2013] Let me put it this way.

[2014] pretty much that the vast majority of people in my business on YouTube I know them all personally use Apple computers yeah it's kind of universal amongst anybody who has enough money to buy an Apple computer the PC people are gonna fucking not like you saying that listen I'm sorry folks I tried Windows 8 it's dog shit yeah tried Windows 7 digity diggity dog there's a reason why Apple is the company they are and Microsoft is the company they are that's the way I like to say it we used Alienware for the podcast for a while right which makes fucking awesome computers.

[2015] We used it for the podcast for a while because they were sponsoring us.

[2016] Right.

[2017] So they gave us some free computers.

[2018] And I like that they sponsor fighters too.

[2019] So I wanted to...

[2020] They do, right?

[2021] Yeah.

[2022] Quite a few.

[2023] Quite a few.

[2024] Quite a few.

[2025] Quite a few.

[2026] The guy just fought.

[2027] Little guy.

[2028] Mighty Mouse?

[2029] Yeah, he's in.

[2030] Oh, no, no, he's not.

[2031] Sorry.

[2032] Maybe I took it back.

[2033] He's got a big sponsor, though.

[2034] Oh, Xbox.

[2035] Yes, he does Xbox.

[2036] Yeah.

[2037] But a lot of guys have been sponsored.

[2038] So we really, the computers are incredible.

[2039] I mean, and they are, as far as, like, high -end laptops, like, for games.

[2040] They're fucking monstrous.

[2041] Definitely.

[2042] But I didn't like the interface.

[2043] The Windows notifications kept popping up.

[2044] All these different...

[2045] The notifications drive me fucking crazy.

[2046] That shit was ridiculous.

[2047] This is a clunky operating system.

[2048] You guys are clunkers.

[2049] It's true, man. Bill Gates is too busy chasing pussy.

[2050] That's what he's doing.

[2051] He's out there doing coke.

[2052] He's...

[2053] Yeah, you can't say that.

[2054] Flying around his private fucking spacecraft.

[2055] Allegedly.

[2056] Allegedly.

[2057] He's tooling around the fucking harbor in his boat.

[2058] Microsoft does some good things Like the Xbox is a success The Xbox is a success Why if Microsoft is so goddamn popular Why if Microsoft is so immersive Microsoft's problem is that they're so damn popular That's it They had to fucking hold on To vintage retro stuff For so long Because otherwise it would give up a percentage of the market God forbid somebody can't type a word document Or open their Excel spreadsheet from 1997 That's really what held them back I think it's a part of it I mean, how did they hold them back in the user interface, though?

[2059] Because when they put out Windows 7, they put this new, was it 7 or 8, no, sorry, Windows 8, new UI, which they didn't really want to give a name, but it was essentially a touch -based UI.

[2060] It was a huge overhaul where now they wanted one platform to work on tablets, laptops, desktops, et cetera.

[2061] people freaked out people were like how am I going to do this a B, C, D because of the market penetration of the old OS Windows 7 and XP before that so on and so forth the voice of the people that their old customers was louder than that of the new customers they didn't have yet much like the automakers and you know the domestic automakers I think had the same problem your user base gets so big that your user base gets so big that you're more about pissing them off than you are about attracting new people wow that's weird it is so they have to take those things into consideration when they when they innovate they have to pull back all the time oh man but if you think about it you no one ever bought a macbook because they were worried about Microsoft Word that's true that's the key is you bought a MacBook because it was a tool just a platform and essentially like when you we deal with things like documents spreadsheets uh you know dot DOC things almost anything can open those now it's not That's Microsoft Word.

[2062] And that's their problem, is that the exclusivity that they had for so long is not really that important anymore.

[2063] It doesn't make any sense.

[2064] Once upon a time, it was.

[2065] But now, I mean, Google has everything.

[2066] You can do everything in the cloud.

[2067] Google Docs does everything.

[2068] I haven't touched a Microsoft product in a very long time in terms of software.

[2069] Which brings me to those Google laptops.

[2070] How do you feel about those Chromebooks?

[2071] Do you like them?

[2072] I love them.

[2073] Do you?

[2074] I think they're great.

[2075] Do you fuck with them?

[2076] I think it's the perfect, finally, price point to be able to give somebody like your mom a laptop and have her do exactly what she wants to do with no extra bullshit.

[2077] My mom just probably wants to just surf the net, maybe look at some photos, watch some Netflix, and that's all she's really probably going to do to the max.

[2078] She's not going to be editing videos, and if she does it, I'm sure there's an app that she can actually do it at if she wanted to.

[2079] The problem is a lot of people were saying with Chromebooks is why aren't Chromebooks just Android books?

[2080] Right?

[2081] Yeah, why is it?

[2082] There's an enormous ecosystem of apps available on Android.

[2083] Is it because of the fact that Chrome is their browser and they're trying to...

[2084] Chrome is their browser.

[2085] It's a leader.

[2086] It's a leader.

[2087] Global leader.

[2088] It's the growth, is it?

[2089] Yep.

[2090] Wow.

[2091] By far too.

[2092] Isn't that crazy?

[2093] They beat out Microsoft Internet Explorer?

[2094] Ask people...

[2095] Ask the average person how they feel about Google in general.

[2096] You know, and everyone always thinks that they're a positive brand.

[2097] Yeah.

[2098] Ask them how they feel about Microsoft.

[2099] It's a completely different...

[2100] So maybe there's some public relations issues.

[2101] I don't know exactly what got fucked up there, but But Google appears like this company that's giving us all this great shit and not asking for anything.

[2102] Because what they're asking for is fucking way deeper than that.

[2103] Yeah, they're asking for a connection with you.

[2104] They're asking for you.

[2105] Yeah, they're immersing themselves in your world.

[2106] And to control your house.

[2107] They want more than your wallet.

[2108] Google, and Microsoft and Apple and everybody else.

[2109] Remember that song, We Want Your Soul?

[2110] We want your soul.

[2111] Deadmouth.

[2112] It's your house.

[2113] Is it?

[2114] Oh, wait.

[2115] No. somebody else anyway cool song but essentially about that this this immersive connection you think that Microsoft fucked up because they were a part of they were essentially one of the very first like portals into this new world like using Windows and this world of technology but now this new world has kind of emerged from the people who grew up in the internet and they grew up with the accountability of forums of social media Yeah.

[2116] Take it as a given.

[2117] Yeah.

[2118] And that this, this accountability has sort of shaped the way they do business, which is what I've been saying for a long time is what gives me hope.

[2119] Because I think the smartest, most innovative, most progressive people in terms of technology and innovation also are very ethical.

[2120] Right.

[2121] It seems to be a part of the whole package.

[2122] Like you don't hear about evil big new tech companies.

[2123] You hear about companies like Google, companies that are trying to do things correct.

[2124] Exactly.

[2125] There were a couple of protests at Google I .O. Of course.

[2126] Yeah.

[2127] They recently acquired Boston Dynamics.

[2128] Yeah, they make robots.

[2129] They make pretty fucking gnarly robots.

[2130] Scary robots, bro.

[2131] And so they also, some of their technology goes into some of those drones doing that activity out.

[2132] Well, how about artificial intelligence as well?

[2133] I mean, they also have Kurzweil on board.

[2134] It wants to make people turn into fucking computers.

[2135] Yeah.

[2136] So, they're the overlords, bro.

[2137] I don't, honestly, I feel like super technologically advanced people are insanely secular.

[2138] I don't know where their moral compass is.

[2139] I think they get off on control.

[2140] Really?

[2141] Yeah.

[2142] In what way?

[2143] Well, this, look at Google's ecosystem, for example, or even apples.

[2144] Okay.

[2145] Everywhere you go, the objective of one product is to get you to buy the next one.

[2146] Is it, though?

[2147] Isn't the objective of their products?

[2148] Let's talk about Google Maps.

[2149] Google, Google is an advertising company.

[2150] Right.

[2151] And it's funny that I'm talking about them because in a sense they employ the both of us and we both post shit on YouTube.

[2152] Yeah, I'm a big fan.

[2153] I have a unique insight as well because a good friend works there at a very high level.

[2154] And my friends work there too.

[2155] It's, I'm not trying to say anything negative about it.

[2156] No, I know you're not.

[2157] Yeah, but the model is such that for us to get the most out of technology, technology has to get the most out of us.

[2158] Yeah, but isn't that just, a side effect of the immersion?

[2159] Sure.

[2160] I mean, I don't think it's necessarily...

[2161] That's what I said.

[2162] It's not negative or positive.

[2163] It's just is.

[2164] Yeah.

[2165] But that's like what we're talking about today, about your phone preemptively knowing how far away you are from work, because you're going to work.

[2166] That's right.

[2167] We always look at the negatives, but the positives of that are pretty strong.

[2168] But let's go back to the Porsche, or let's go back to the muscle car.

[2169] That there will always be individuals that liked it better the way it was before.

[2170] Yes.

[2171] Well, the good thing is you can have both.

[2172] But you can't with phone.

[2173] You can't.

[2174] Some do, do.

[2175] They go back to the flip phone.

[2176] Do they?

[2177] We sell them on Ting.

[2178] Do they?

[2179] Yeah.

[2180] They sell the beautiful, fucking shitty button phones.

[2181] My guess would be that that's not an expanding market.

[2182] Dana White, he fucking uses one of those all the time.

[2183] That's how he does all his texting.

[2184] Whenever he texts me. Does he appreciate you telling that to everybody?

[2185] Yeah, he loves it.

[2186] Really?

[2187] He jokes about it.

[2188] He takes, I have pictures of him holding up his phone.

[2189] He can do it at dinner.

[2190] He can be at dinner, and he's so good with his thumb.

[2191] T9.

[2192] That he can be underneath.

[2193] the table and he can be texting you that's a very bizarre use case scenario i like it i really like he's a real wizard with it so i've had him show me he's done it before where he'll he'll go okay he'll look at his phone real quick and then he puts it because he gets it onto my number and he puts it under the table and just and then all of a sudden my my thing dude i'm texting you right now and i'm like shut the fuck out this is crazy and he does it all with his thumb because his thumb is so educated as to where so he's like three presses to get an s that's right he's doing all that That's T9, yeah.

[2194] Yeah, he's doing all that shit.

[2195] That's ridiculous.

[2196] That's a skill he doesn't want to give up, you know?

[2197] He's got to stick with it.

[2198] It is a skill.

[2199] Yeah.

[2200] I was reading this thing the other day about typing and handwriting recognition, and one of the things that they were talking about was shorthand.

[2201] Is that, like, people forget that short.

[2202] Like, actually writing things?

[2203] Yes.

[2204] Greg's shorthand, I think it's called.

[2205] I forget.

[2206] It's like really old technology, like it's from the 1800s.

[2207] Oh, wow.

[2208] The implementation of it.

[2209] When they first started using it.

[2210] it and like what things stand for what vowels and what things stand and what things and you could write hundreds of words per minute and shorthand faster than you could ever fucking type wow yeah but it never took off well it did it just took off for you know people who didn't have computers oh right then once people develop typewriters and computers like there's a new pen that they have that uh i haven't i i ordered it just to see like what the fuck the technology was like oh one of those scribe pens yes this is what it does it doesn't just, no, this is what it does.

[2211] As you're writing, it takes a photograph of your notes.

[2212] Cool.

[2213] It also transcribes an audio.

[2214] Like if there's an audio recording capability.

[2215] So say if you and I were talking, I was doing an interview with you.

[2216] Right.

[2217] And I was asking about all these different things.

[2218] And I was writing down my notes.

[2219] It would take photos of the notes and it would take photos of the notes and correspond those notes to the audio recording.

[2220] So if I said, ask him, at that time, asking me how big his dick is.

[2221] And then, like, I would click on that.

[2222] And then, like, I would and it would go back to the conversation where you were talking about women always being in pain when you have sex, like, oh, yeah, yeah, that's why.

[2223] You know?

[2224] So for like students, a student in a lecture or whatever.

[2225] Perfect example, perfect example.

[2226] As long as the lecture was clear enough, you didn't take in too much extraneous noise.

[2227] Yeah, they were close to the actual professor or whatever.

[2228] But what a great idea.

[2229] I mean, I think, I should pull up the name of it just in case.

[2230] I've heard of them before.

[2231] I've never tried one.

[2232] I'd like to.

[2233] I had the old one where you just, like, had a little memory card, and it just remembered what you wrote.

[2234] Right.

[2235] And I just never really...

[2236] Does it translate the written word into a digital form?

[2237] That's a very good question.

[2238] OCD?

[2239] I think it did back...

[2240] I never really played with it too much, but I know a lot of things can do that now.

[2241] Most scanners can do it.

[2242] It's called a live scribe sky Wi -Fi pen.

[2243] It's really interesting, man. I'm really curious to try this thing out.

[2244] I mean, I wish almost that I was a reporter.

[2245] Well, report on it when you get it, man. I have too much work.

[2246] But the idea behind it is quite fascinating.

[2247] And I love that.

[2248] I had read something about shorthand, and that's where it...

[2249] Yeah, these guys have been around for a bit.

[2250] But this is obviously a new product.

[2251] Yes.

[2252] Yeah.

[2253] Short hand is fucking interesting, man. It's interesting.

[2254] Yeah, it is Greg shorthand.

[2255] That's what it's called, named after the inventor, who's named John Robert Gregg a system of pen stenography that gained popularity in the early 20th century but it was created a long fucking time ago no kidding yeah but I love the idea that this pen records an audio right of us having a conversation and then like I should use it for podcast yeah really that's I think I might actually use it because I have stacks of these things sometimes that I go over like these notes that I make during shows.

[2256] Shit, I feel like I'm underperforming.

[2257] I think you took, like, one note so far today.

[2258] Well, it's really usually things that I wanted to talk about that I forgot.

[2259] Oh.

[2260] Or that I knew I was going to forget or didn't want to forget, or an idea that I had while it was happening.

[2261] But I don't remember half of these fucking things.

[2262] Nigerian gay marriage.

[2263] Okay, what the fuck does that mean?

[2264] The World's End.

[2265] Herpes infected monkey in Florida.

[2266] Emotional needs dogs.

[2267] Some juicy stuff there, man. Yeti, Attenborough.

[2268] Colorado floods.

[2269] Yeah, I mean, I don't know what half these fucking things mean.

[2270] I don't know what the point was.

[2271] But if I had, if I had written them down with a corresponding audio recording, I mean, then I would really be able to click on it.

[2272] Yeah, yeah, and possibly jar the...

[2273] Yeah, that's when he was talking about this, and I wanted to bring up that.

[2274] Right.

[2275] Amazing.

[2276] Yeah, yeah.

[2277] I mean, just, I love that aspect of new technology, and apparently it works on a special type of paper as well.

[2278] Yeah.

[2279] I'll find out all the...

[2280] I won't do an unboxing, but I'll talk about it on this.

[2281] I think you should do it.

[2282] I think you should do it.

[2283] I'm not doing it.

[2284] I think you should.

[2285] I'll tell you about it, and you can do it.

[2286] That's what you do.

[2287] I have decided to limit myself as far as how many things I do.

[2288] Well, yeah, you have to.

[2289] If I don't, I will just keep doing things.

[2290] It's true.

[2291] The next thing you know, I'll be a professional racquetball player or something stupid.

[2292] Which would be pretty cool.

[2293] Take up a lot of time.

[2294] Yeah, whatever it is that I have, whatever my disease is, I know how to manage it.

[2295] That's good.

[2296] Don't do too many things.

[2297] So no, no, no, no. I was just joking around.

[2298] But you want to know something?

[2299] Like the origin of unboxing videos is the everyday guy, not in this world.

[2300] Yes.

[2301] You know, getting something and giving you his reaction.

[2302] Like, in some ways, you become sophisticated to a point where you might not be addressing the things that the everyday guy is looking to have addressed.

[2303] It's possible.

[2304] But essentially, you are the everyday guy.

[2305] Yeah, I still am the everyday guy, but immersed in this world of technology in a far deeper level.

[2306] And isn't it the everyday guy's opportunity to listen to that?

[2307] those and then I'm on the Joe Rogan podcast right now yeah so you know in some ways yes you are the everyday guy but when you start talking to these brands directly things get fucking weird but things get weird it affects you yeah but does it it does it doesn't it doesn't affect us I mean it does but it doesn't it does man hmm in what way do you uh do you like put on kid gloves for LG no no no no I just I'm having a hard way or I'm finding it hard to I'm finding it hard articulate but tech news right big tech sites that are out there right they would have a report underneath on a review for example the product they're reviewing there's a huge banner ad right above it oh yeah but if they are honest and always committed to being honest i mean that isn't that god damn essential for the company themselves if you if you put out a dud i'm sorry but you put out a fucking dud what you need to do is get rid of those weak -ass engineers and designers If you don't, your fucking business is going to go under.

[2308] They do do that.

[2309] There's a tide coming, and if you've got a shitty foundation, your fucking house is going to get into the ocean.

[2310] Definitely.

[2311] But these tech websites have a floor full of salespeople and a floor full of reporters.

[2312] Those floor full...

[2313] Whoever's the problem, they need to be...

[2314] I'm not saying anybody's the problem.

[2315] I'm saying that you're not reporting on a murder.

[2316] You're reporting on something that somebody's spending a lot of money to try and sell.

[2317] But if it's dog shit, it's dog shit.

[2318] I agree with that.

[2319] But that's not so much of an issue anymore, because this is getting really iterative.

[2320] It's not so much an issue anymore of dog shit or not dog shit.

[2321] It's, we're talking about a sliver.

[2322] Right.

[2323] In fact, a popular tech website that I won't name for a very long time has been running ties.

[2324] They do a point analysis on devices and they've been running ties on the flagship Android phones and the iPhone.

[2325] A tie.

[2326] On a point, like a decimal point analysis.

[2327] How the fuck do they tie exactly?

[2328] Well, do they tie exactly because they just tie exactly?

[2329] No, they do not, because...

[2330] So they're doing it because they don't want to piss people off, so you don't believe them.

[2331] I won't make that leap, but when I see something like that, automatically my mind starts telling me that there's something more here than meets the eye.

[2332] Isn't there an issue also with putting a quantitative value on a review?

[2333] Oh, most definitely.

[2334] Like a five star or a four and a half star, it's so arbitrary.

[2335] They go away beyond that.

[2336] I'm talking like 8 .3.

[2337] Right.

[2338] Decimal point analysis.

[2339] Well, we saw that about the UFC game.

[2340] When you were watching that Connect UFC game, it was like 6 .5 in its review.

[2341] That's right.

[2342] Because those exist because people want to be told what to buy.

[2343] They don't want to do the work.

[2344] And I'm not hating on the audience.

[2345] Everybody's busy as fuck.

[2346] If you can tune in and find out what the best shit is in five minutes or less, so be it, do it.

[2347] The problem is that the more, you take your guard down and the more that you allow for yourself to be programmed to respond to those things, the less likely that you're going to be able to get any kind of accuracy out of it.

[2348] Totally makes sense.

[2349] Yeah.

[2350] I see what you're saying.

[2351] It certainly opens up the door to that possibility.

[2352] And so you've got all these people in the business calling themselves journalists.

[2353] I've always been against it.

[2354] I've always been against it.

[2355] I don't think you can be a product journalist.

[2356] Well, you know, that's a very interesting situation when someone's an embedded journalist, right?

[2357] What do you mean by embedded?

[2358] Well, you're also in bed with the company that you're analyzing.

[2359] Oh, literally.

[2360] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2361] I mean, there's an issue with mixed martial arts that like the UFC has had problems with companies that have been critical of the UFC and it's damaged the relationship that they have with the reporters.

[2362] But if you're a real reporter and you have a real opinion that the problem is when you work for a corporation when you're an independent like yourself it is the responsibility of that independent to be completely objective because that's what everybody turns to you for and as soon as we can't count on you for that the whole process of having an independent it becomes irrelevant like it doesn't matter you're you're not an independent you might say you're an independent but you're an LG fan board there's no doubt that there's no doubt that the reason channels like mine have success is because we are third parties because we are not in any meaningful way attached to anything, and because for the most part, we look to be like everybody else.

[2363] Like, here we are, we started a YouTube channel.

[2364] Well, anybody can start a YouTube channel.

[2365] So the context helps to support the messaging in a way.

[2366] But the problem is that the further along this path you go, the more important you become.

[2367] And the treatment changes.

[2368] You know, it's like if you were walking, it's like if you're a really good -looking person.

[2369] That's me, bitch.

[2370] If you're Joe Rogan and you're walking around, yeah, you know what?

[2371] Fuck it.

[2372] Let's use Joe Rogan as an example.

[2373] So you're just Brian Redband.

[2374] Too late.

[2375] Too late.

[2376] Sexy face.

[2377] If you're walking around, you get a certain kind of treatment.

[2378] And that treatment that you get develops character.

[2379] You can't help it.

[2380] It's like hot women.

[2381] Hot women grow.

[2382] They have a certain amount of worth that they attach to themselves because they, everywhere they go, they're treated like royalty.

[2383] You can't hate them for it.

[2384] That's the world.

[2385] We're a product of the environment.

[2386] Right.

[2387] And I can't pretend that I am not a product of the environment that I have to exist within.

[2388] Well, I just have a very specific.

[2389] like rules that I when I engage in my environments where I have privileges, I have very specific rules.

[2390] Okay, let's hear about it.

[2391] Like martial arts, a big one.

[2392] It's a huge one.

[2393] Because the UFC that I work for is the biggest, greatest mixed martial arts organization ever.

[2394] However, along the way, during the time that I've been employed with them over the past 12 years, there have been instances where I've actively promoted fighters that were in other organizations.

[2395] Really?

[2396] Because I like them.

[2397] because I like them because I think they're really good because I have to be honest But they didn't pay you anything Not a fucking penny Right okay Because I have to be honest Like when Fedor Emilienenko was in pride Right I remember And he was one of the best heavy weights in the world I constantly would talk about him on broadcasts Yeah To the point where like some people didn't like it And some people thought it was like Not smart Not good for the or but it is smart You know why it's smart Because I have to be honest If there's some guy out there That's murdering motherfuckers And some other organization And I pretend That the guys we have the only guys that I want to see fight, then that's ridiculous, that I'm a ridiculous person.

[2398] And I don't deserve that position.

[2399] I completely agree with you.

[2400] So in that same vein, isn't it the case with tech reporting?

[2401] Like, yes, you do get a very privileged position.

[2402] LG's sending you their sexy new watch and you're getting all these.

[2403] Let me explain.

[2404] Let me give you an example of this.

[2405] This phone, the most popular single device on a planet.

[2406] You paid for it.

[2407] Yes.

[2408] Yeah.

[2409] But this phone, this phone specifically is, it's probably the best way to do an analysis of the entire market because of how popular it is and because of how important it is as a piece of news.

[2410] iPhone.

[2411] iPhone.

[2412] iPhone 5S with that little thumbprint thingy.

[2413] Well, this one.

[2414] So you can use your dick for as well.

[2415] Did you know what?

[2416] Yes, I did.

[2417] I bet you did.

[2418] And you could spoof it and you could spoof it with a little bit of wax.

[2419] But anyway.

[2420] Spoof it.

[2421] Yeah, hack it.

[2422] Oh, how dare you?

[2423] You got to chop off somebody's finger and use an 8 -volt battery.

[2424] Or you could do that, yeah 8 -volt battery I think if you catch a person sleeping and dip their finger in hot wax that would do the job too Yeah, you don't have to chop Yeah, you're getting it to a terrible level This device You're on the go This device moves the needle The reason Apple doesn't spend as much money on marketing as Samsung Because they don't have to This phone comes out It's on the cover in New York Times Hands down, done Right Why is that?

[2425] Well, it's the best Because there's a couple of reasons though It's actually It's actually not that easy.

[2426] When they are about to launch a new device, they give this out to people.

[2427] They send it to people.

[2428] Apple does send stuff to people.

[2429] Right.

[2430] Not to me, but two people.

[2431] How come not to you?

[2432] Oh, God knows.

[2433] Who gets them?

[2434] It's out those fuckers.

[2435] Traditional media people.

[2436] Ew, like fucking business week, that kind of shit.

[2437] Exactly.

[2438] Wall Street Journal.

[2439] Bingo!

[2440] Some fucking crook over there.

[2441] You got it.

[2442] Lining his pockets with funny money.

[2443] Let me tell you how it works.

[2444] Oh, I just noticed that was shot in Toronto.

[2445] Timmy Hendricks picture.

[2446] Oh, yeah, man. That's cool.

[2447] Got arrested for heroin.

[2448] Down, down.

[2449] That's cool.

[2450] Okay, so a very selective group of people gets this device.

[2451] Then they maintain something beside it called the blacklist.

[2452] And the blacklist is people who were never going to get the device.

[2453] For one reason or another, there are many ways to get on that list.

[2454] Are you blacklisted?

[2455] No, there's no public record of the blacklist.

[2456] But it's just a blacklist.

[2457] Everyone is in business knows that it exists.

[2458] I want to do a fucking documentary on this, by the way.

[2459] Nobody would watch it, except you and your fucking crazy friends that review shit?

[2460] No, no, no, no, because Apple is a giant.

[2461] Like, Apple affects our lives in ways everyone's life in a way that might not be, I might not be articulating.

[2462] But, um, so how does that process work?

[2463] How do they decide who gets that device?

[2464] Well, you would assume that the people with the biggest audiences, maybe you would get it.

[2465] Or maybe just send it to anybody who wants to talk about it.

[2466] You would think all the exposure would be good.

[2467] Right.

[2468] Well, why is it that when this device launched like 15 motherfuckers got it?

[2469] worldwide, like a super limited number, an inner circle of reporters.

[2470] Because they can count on those people to only give glowing reviews.

[2471] And if those people, working for whoever, decide that they're going to write something different, guess where they can find their new home?

[2472] The blacklist.

[2473] The motherfucking blacklist.

[2474] Yeah, but that's their fault.

[2475] Whose fault?

[2476] Their fault.

[2477] Really, because the reason that newspaper's doors are open is because of the fucking device.

[2478] The coverage sells the ads.

[2479] reason why newspapers' doors is open because they haven't fucking burned to the ground yet, the great fires of the internet.

[2480] But truthfully, it's not just the newspapers.

[2481] There's big tech sites that get them as well.

[2482] I'm sure.

[2483] Yeah.

[2484] So there's a group that gets it, but the problem is you have this fear, this inherent fear that if you don't do what the controlling party says to do, you don't get that access to the device anymore.

[2485] And unfortunately, it's the access to the device that drives the traffic.

[2486] because if you get this review up a week before anyone else gets what happens to everybody else's reviews what happens well the value of them dips because the majority of the purchasing and purchasing decisions are made based on the very initial reviews but how much value is there in a high traffic site these days oh big massive value huge fucking huge so a site like like arist technica is that a high traffic one yeah that's a big one the verge is big which is the verge The Verge is big one.

[2487] So a guy who writes for one of those is going to get access.

[2488] Let me put it this.

[2489] Let me say this like this.

[2490] If you're a reporter working at the Verge and you get the task of doing the new iPhone.

[2491] And listen, I am not fucking attacking the Verge.

[2492] The iPhone is a great phone.

[2493] Of course.

[2494] Probably the best phone on the market.

[2495] And nobody really comes out and says shit that's untrue about it.

[2496] Right.

[2497] I'm just talking about a potential that exists that steers in a direction outside, way outside the world of journalism.

[2498] That doesn't happen when somebody is murder.

[2499] or you're investigating a crime or whatever it is that investigative journalism is.

[2500] When the story is something that somebody else controls and dishes to only certain parties, there's behavioral patterns that exist because of that relationship.

[2501] Of course.

[2502] And there's also behavioral patterns that exist in it being financially beneficial for you to support certain companies.

[2503] That's what I'm saying.

[2504] And this is also the psychological aspect of knowing that you're on this elite list of 15 journalists that are going to receive a new phone.

[2505] And you're like, look at you, I can't write that.

[2506] Do you think guys write like really scathing reviews and then like park them aside and go, ha ha, ha, that was just for fun.

[2507] Now let's suck some dick.

[2508] Definitely.

[2509] There's guys that have written stories after the fact, after they've been blacklisted, about explaining the reality.

[2510] Explaining what happened.

[2511] They're not getting the device anymore.

[2512] And the problem is the Verge, for example, has record page views the days of these devices launch.

[2513] Record page views.

[2514] I'm sure.

[2515] So they have to.

[2516] They have to have it early.

[2517] They have.

[2518] They can't.

[2519] The door, like, literally people are employed on that paycheck.

[2520] You're seeing a percentage that came from that fucking report from having access to that product.

[2521] But if you get one, like, how much difference would it make if you get one the day it comes out, like, when everybody else gets them?

[2522] Which is what I do.

[2523] Which is wait in line like a fucking idiot.

[2524] Look at you.

[2525] It's fun.

[2526] I have to.

[2527] But for this stuff, the other stuff I get, you know, I get early now.

[2528] And the other brands do it.

[2529] They're like, fuck it.

[2530] Let's get this shit out there.

[2531] You know.

[2532] Apple?

[2533] Fuck no. Their PR team is...

[2534] Like, I'm definitely blacklisted after this podcast.

[2535] So are you, actually.

[2536] This podcast?

[2537] Yeah.

[2538] Why?

[2539] I'm using...

[2540] We're both using Apple products.

[2541] Apple's nice to me. We both have...

[2542] It doesn't matter because I even brought up the notion.

[2543] The notion is enough.

[2544] A lot of Apple engineers write me all the time.

[2545] They love listening to this show.

[2546] I think we have like this weird cheat code.

[2547] Shut the fuck up.

[2548] Dude, yeah, we have a lot of...

[2549] Oh, I just fuck it all up for everybody.

[2550] Don't worry about it.

[2551] I love the shit.

[2552] I love the shit.

[2553] shit i love the stuff they're making all the rest of it i'm just talking about people prancing around calling themselves journalists when that's not the reality it's not an open access story it's not like some shit went down in some foreign country and you and another guy both have the same opportunity to go there and investigate it this is way different right i see what you're saying i absolutely see what you're saying and when there's such a large financial benefit to having early access especially when you look at page views and things along the lines i mean when an iPhone comes out, you have essentially 24 to 48 hours where people are really freaking out.

[2554] That's right.

[2555] And during that time, that you can accumulate millions and millions of hits, right?

[2556] Oh, it's tricky shit, man. But if everybody did it ethically, well, you see, with iPhones, iPhone may be a bad example because it's such a stellar product.

[2557] And it's really in a uniquely controlled situation, which is what we were talking about earlier, which is their whole argument.

[2558] Like, look what we've done.

[2559] Like, the reason why we have this controlled environment is that we put together the hardware, we put together the operating system, we make everything compatible, there's nothing that fucks up.

[2560] Right.

[2561] But why are they sending out 15 units?

[2562] If they know their shit is badass.

[2563] Because they're tired of your bullshit, bro.

[2564] Tarty fucking snarky comments.

[2565] Yeah, they are.

[2566] Because they, deep down, they are fucking masterminds at controlling public relations.

[2567] Yeah.

[2568] Masterminds.

[2569] Is the climate any different with Tim Cook as opposed to Steve Jobs?

[2570] fanboy alert i know who's the CEO of apple that's pretty good uh i don't know that i can accurately answer that i don't i think people always say that's that under steve's influence they had product guidelines forecasts for way and way uh after his death so i think they're probably still executing on stuff that he had in the pipeline what a fucking maniac that guy was definitely i know it there was a an article but some billionaire investor guy dumped all as Apple stock after he read the biography?

[2571] Because he said Steve Jobs is an asshole.

[2572] Oh, probably.

[2573] That's why he dumped it.

[2574] I should pull that up because it's a fascinating story.

[2575] I think it's pretty hard to manage a company of that stature and not be an asshole.

[2576] Also, you've got to think about, like, what is an average person's life?

[2577] An average person's life is you have a job, but you also have like a fucking family and a lot of other shit you do.

[2578] Your job is not your whole life.

[2579] No. To Steve Jobs, Apple was his whole fucking...

[2580] definitely and his personal life suffered because of it yeah i'm sure well that's probably had something to do with his health as well probably you know investor drop dumps apple stock i need to get one of these nexus phones now now i can't stop thinking that i may never have ever used the actual fucking operating dude you can find clips of the new even newer one they're calling it l right i saw the dude it looks so beautiful the like just the way they're looking at design and working with dimensions up and down now is the nexus uh is that five This is five, yeah.

[2581] Is the Nexus 5 the only one that does that?

[2582] Or does somebody like Sony or somebody?

[2583] Running 4 .4 .4 now is just, the Nexus will always get updates first.

[2584] It doesn't have to come through the carrier.

[2585] This is an unlocked device completely open.

[2586] This guy's name was Julian Robertson.

[2587] He's number 503 on Forbes' billionaire list.

[2588] And CNN reported Monday, this is a while ago.

[2589] This is way back in 2013 in October, right after the book came out, The guy, this hedge fund investor, sold all of his shares in Apple because he's read the biography of Steve Jobs and decided that Apple, the founder of Apple, was a really awful person.

[2590] He admits that his stock did very well for him, but he would rather let someone else make the money from now on, said the CNN Investment Show, closing bell.

[2591] See, even that, I'm all skeptical of that whole thing.

[2592] That's crazy, though.

[2593] He's saying it caused a crisis of consciousness.

[2594] yeah wow a guy what's worth billions saying anything it says i came to the conclusion that it was unlikely that a man as really awful as i think steve jobs was could possibly create a great company for the long term i just don't believe that bad guys do well in the long run who fucking wrote that book though you know that's how does he i mean how well does he know steve jobs i mean obviously you can decide to paint us you don't know your best friend all the time you know him when you're hanging around with him there's a lot of times when people are alone like to paint a portrait of Steve Jobs without a steeply intimate relationship with him I think you know you could go all sorts of ways you could go the way of these 15 companies that get their Apple phones in advance and paint this really glowing glamorous picture or you could just paint some picture that you think is going to sell a lot of fucking books some scathing awful depiction of it's like you ever watch a historical depiction like a historical documentary like like lincoln you ever see the the show no the problem is you know those people didn't really say that oh right right you know you know they didn't say that in that author reenacted so when you have like a book on steve jobs life i mean you have some vague facts that you don't maybe know the entire circumstances the context of the conversations it's like you're you're you're flavoring things you have facts And then you're throwing those facts in and pouring your own colors on them and your own shapes to paint your own picture.

[2595] I sort of wonder, though, getting back to the asshole comment, like in the movies and stuff as well, he'll come in and fire somebody in front of everyone else.

[2596] Oh, wait a minute, this guy's an idiot because listen to the rest of his quote.

[2597] An interesting twist of logic, Robertson also said that if Steve Jobs was still alive, he'd still be an Apple investor.

[2598] Oh, and then he said After watching the Ashen Kutcher movie He thought Steve Jobs was sexy And got all the stuff Oh, you didn't say that That's not even Steve Jobs It's Ashton Cutcher Says no question in that He's the man who killed three and a half men What is that time about billionaires They're all fucking crazy I was a billionaire I wouldn't do any interviews I'd just be out bawling I'd just be flying around And fucking spaceships And throwing champagne at people Why would you even do interviews Like I sold my apple stop Fuck you!

[2599] I'm 90 And I'm worth a fucking hundred billion dollars The objective there is to influence the market.

[2600] That's it.

[2601] That's what he's doing?

[2602] Yeah, same as that ICAN guy.

[2603] When you're that big and you hold that much stock, your behavior affects so many things.

[2604] He might be hedging.

[2605] Well, we don't know how much stock he had.

[2606] No. We know he's sold his stock.

[2607] We know how heavy.

[2608] He probably, he could afford to influence the market.

[2609] Huh.

[2610] This is interesting.

[2611] I don't know, man. Who knows?

[2612] No, nobody knows.

[2613] but I find the stock market to be a bizarre place because you're talking about the evaluation of a company and it's impacted by...

[2614] Confidence.

[2615] That's a fucking scheme.

[2616] It's a ridiculous scheme.

[2617] It's one of the weirdest methods of controlling an economy ever.

[2618] It's bizarre.

[2619] The idea that it's actually what we rely on.

[2620] Yep.

[2621] Confidence games.

[2622] Like those things, the stock, those fucking movies of Wall Street where people are on the floor and the kids and that, we're going to sell, sell, sell, bye, bye, bye.

[2623] Like, that's the underlying system that keeps food on your table and your mortgage pay and the roof over your head.

[2624] Goofy antics.

[2625] She's so crazy.

[2626] And that's some archaic shit that may be worked out with something like Bitcoin.

[2627] That, like, when digital currency starts taking over, we have a sort of a different idea of, you know, monetized value because of digital currency.

[2628] That could be something that, you know, eventually gets reworked as well.

[2629] For sure.

[2630] I mean, you have to worry about the financial companies getting a hold of it.

[2631] Of course.

[2632] Well, do you think that in that sense that that's one of the reasons why transparency is a good idea?

[2633] Because people who do have ulterior motives and obvious bad intentions, financial intentions, and bad social consequences.

[2634] Transparency to like to what degree?

[2635] Well, that's a good question.

[2636] Because you were mentioning earlier that you're transparent.

[2637] I'm transparent, but again, I don't necessarily share everything about, you know, I don't know.

[2638] There's a level of transparency that makes sense, and then at some point it gets weird.

[2639] Right.

[2640] Like, if a finance guy had to, if we were able to grasp the amount of money these fucking guys are making by trading one inanimate thing for another inanimate thing, I don't think society would be very happy about it.

[2641] That's a good point.

[2642] Yeah.

[2643] Like, it's essentially a gambling ring.

[2644] Like so many of these hedge funds now It's not even about investing in a company you believe in It's in making a play Well that's one of the reasons why the Bernie Madoff situation Was so confusing Because I was like oh my god Like this guy he was involved in You know people that were incredibly rich Yep And he was moving their money And he was doing it in full view of the world It wasn't like he had a huge business I mean a building A whole floor man Yeah I mean You watch them move money around and all these billionaires and millionaires were investing with him, and he did it in front of everybody.

[2645] That's right.

[2646] That exposes the entire system.

[2647] What about the crash?

[2648] Yeah.

[2649] What about the bailout?

[2650] Yeah.

[2651] What about the bailout?

[2652] I mean, that was in front of all of us.

[2653] It's all so crazy.

[2654] It's all so crazy.

[2655] And I think that like the news, like the evening news, like a lot of things, we're dealing with dinosaurs.

[2656] We're dealing with these forgotten relics or not forgotten, but current relics of an age where they're not relevant anymore.

[2657] It's just the ideas behind them that make them aren't relevant.

[2658] And they've also been compromised to a point where they're so unstable when it comes to things like the stock market, when you look at derivatives and I try to, Peter Schiff tried to explain derivatives to me and, you know, how people bet on things failing and how much money there is in that aspect of the economy.

[2659] It's so bewildering that anybody ever let that happen.

[2660] And it's not about what makes sense.

[2661] It's about what you can convince people.

[2662] That's the problem.

[2663] It's much like a betting line on a fight, a UFC fight.

[2664] It's not, it's, the Vegas, it's not necessarily about, you, I was listening to one of your fight broadcast there where you were saying you had a great record picking winners.

[2665] Yeah.

[2666] But you will never say it or something like that.

[2667] Well, I never give predictions.

[2668] You don't want to give predictions, but that I would imagine being who you are that you could fairly accurately predict winners, right, over.

[2669] and over and over again.

[2670] Pretty accurate, but not 100%.

[2671] There's certain fight, like, here's a perfect example.

[2672] Name one that you got surprised.

[2673] Oh, I get surprised all the time.

[2674] Oh, okay.

[2675] Chris Wyden Anderson Silva surprised me. Yeah.

[2676] I thought Wyman was going to give him some troubles, but I never thought he would win by knockout in the first round or the second round like that.

[2677] No, that fight surprised to any, everybody.

[2678] Yeah.

[2679] There's no, there was no way.

[2680] But I guess you don't necessarily need to be perfect in order to make a lot of money.

[2681] T .J. Dillshaw, Henan Brow.

[2682] There's another one.

[2683] Hennon.

[2684] Brown, one of the best fighters on the planet.

[2685] T. T. T. T. T. T. I know, Shaw dominates him for five round, and then head kicks him.

[2686] Yeah, I know.

[2687] It's crazy.

[2688] So, yeah, it's not a science.

[2689] But that being said, I think you could knock it out of the park.

[2690] A good enough percentage of the time to make a killing.

[2691] Oh, yeah, man. If I wanted to bet money on fights every week.

[2692] That's what I'm saying.

[2693] Oh, I could make some cash.

[2694] So the line that they draw is based on what they can sell.

[2695] So it's relative to the betting that's already occurring.

[2696] That's why the line moves, right?

[2697] It's no different in the stock market If you can convince people that a stock is valuable Guess what?

[2698] It's valuable Do you think it's unethical if I bet on fights?

[2699] I can't affect the outcome If I bet on fights myself If I decided to do commentary on the fight I don't think so Really?

[2700] I don't think so This is breaking news right now Joe Rogan I don't I mean I'm not a player No no I was a player or a coach Then I would think that betting on fights could be very problematic You have contact with the fighters Is that insider?

[2701] trading?

[2702] What is that?

[2703] I don't know.

[2704] I would do it.

[2705] You should have your own show on YouTube.

[2706] Like, who was that guy that got ousted?

[2707] He used to be the betting machine in football.

[2708] Jimmy the Greek?

[2709] Jamie the Greek.

[2710] Yeah, but that was because he was racist.

[2711] But he wasn't even racist.

[2712] He was just kind of being accurate about how they used to breed slaves.

[2713] Just the way he said it.

[2714] Right.

[2715] It was just so fucking.

[2716] Exactly.

[2717] But he had a segment on national TV about betting.

[2718] That's crazy.

[2719] Like, people care.

[2720] Yes.

[2721] You know, you know how many people would watch a show of you giving your picks?

[2722] On an upcoming event.

[2723] It's too mean.

[2724] It's too rude.

[2725] How's it rude?

[2726] It's rude.

[2727] I've been rude before.

[2728] Pull up Kimbo Slice versus Seth Petruzelli.

[2729] We were in the...

[2730] Here's a perfect example of it.

[2731] We were backstage in Atlanta.

[2732] I was working at the punchline in Atlanta.

[2733] And while we were there, it was when Elite XC was on TV.

[2734] And Ken Shamrock was supposed to fight Kimbo Slice.

[2735] But Ken Shamrock got cut backstage, like while he was warming up, and the doctors wouldn't let him fight.

[2736] So because it was going to be on TV, Seth Petrazzelli, who was on earlier on in the car, had already been approved by Athletic Commission, already made weight, decided to fight Kimbo in the main event.

[2737] He had already fought that night?

[2738] No. Oh, okay.

[2739] He was approved to fight that night.

[2740] It all happened that day.

[2741] I see, I see.

[2742] So they rearranged the car the day of the fight.

[2743] They paid the other guy money and they got Kimbo to fight Seth Petruzelli.

[2744] Got it.

[2745] And so we're backstage and I found out about it literally as it was going on.

[2746] I was like, oh my God, Seth Petruzzile is going to fuck him up.

[2747] And then the fight happens and it literally lasts six seconds.

[2748] Seth Petterzelli knocks him out.

[2749] And I was like, see?

[2750] I told you.

[2751] Here it is.

[2752] Like, he could play it.

[2753] Against Seth Petricelli.

[2754] But is this the fight?

[2755] Is this me watching the fight?

[2756] This is not me watching the fight.

[2757] Pull out the video of me predicting it.

[2758] Because I predicted, and we were watching it backstage as it was happening on the screen.

[2759] But it was very mean because I was like, Seth Petruzelli is going to fuck him up.

[2760] But I like Kimbo.

[2761] He's a nice guy.

[2762] So I felt bad after I said it, even though I was correct.

[2763] There's a weird thing about fighting that when it's over.

[2764] you're on the ground and bloody Here it is Is fighting Kimbo slice Oh no This is a last minute replacement I gotta think Seth Perchizelli's gonna fuck him up If I'm wrong You'll never see this So it doesn't matter So we're sitting here backstage What's wrong with it I just think Seth Petruzele Here we go Watch how fast this is that Oh Yeah I saw this Oh my god You're fucking right Oh yeah What I said I said I felt bad about that I mean I probably shouldn't damn how high do I look in that picture by the one That too That beard, bro That's your sexy beard But I look very intoxicated Well you were like You were motivated at the time I think you With a little more composure Well not only was I motivated It was in the moment Yeah I know You're excited about it Got off stage They hadn't fought yet And I was like oh shit So I literally had just gotten off stage, and boom, you were in the dressing room, and oh, they haven't fought yet, and what?

[2765] Seth Petrazzell is always going to fight him?

[2766] And then we made the video.

[2767] Yeah.

[2768] See, with a little, like, with more preparation, you could phrase it in a way that isn't insulting, I think.

[2769] Well, my partner, on it, Aubrey is an active better under my advice.

[2770] I heard him betting on one of the fight broadcasts, yeah.

[2771] Very strong average, like well into the 80%.

[2772] At one point in time, we were at 90%.

[2773] Wow.

[2774] We've gone full cards where we're 100 % correct.

[2775] Wow.

[2776] Yeah.

[2777] Yeah, he fucking...

[2778] Dude.

[2779] It's paid, son.

[2780] Let me tell you, if you're 90%, you need to be spending some money.

[2781] No, because I would get addicted.

[2782] The problem is, there's one of the reasons why I don't gamble on it, is not that I worry it would affect my commentary because I absolutely would not let it.

[2783] I've been accused of being biased before, but if I am biased, it's because I enjoy certain styles.

[2784] It's certainly not biased because I want one person to win.

[2785] Right.

[2786] I just think I like when people fight...

[2787] effectively and intelligently.

[2788] I like that.

[2789] I like when people are exciting.

[2790] I like when I have like very specific things that I like about the sport of fighting.

[2791] And one of them is I enjoy technique and someone who's a real technician, a craftsman, someone who really immerses themselves.

[2792] It doesn't mean they're going to win.

[2793] Like sometimes a fighter was just stronger or faster or just club someone.

[2794] I mean, there's fighters.

[2795] Fights have been lost where the other guy was clearly the better fighter, but he's still lost.

[2796] Like a perfect example is, Hust fought Bob Sapp.

[2797] It's a weird example because it was in K -1.

[2798] Bob Sapsap's the huge guy, right?

[2799] Exactly.

[2800] And Ernesto Huss is one of the greatest kickboxers of all time.

[2801] But Bob Sapp has beat him twice.

[2802] And it doesn't make any sense.

[2803] It was only because Bob Sapp was 375 pounds of fucking solid steroids and just running out of him and just donkey Kong.

[2804] And I mean, if you watch the fight, you see Ernesto Hust, who's this masterful technician.

[2805] But he just can't deal.

[2806] pull up some of the video of it because it's three minutes we got three minutes all right probably shouldn't pull the video up then three minutes left yeah yeah we shut us right hours man it's over that's it yep look it's three hours and 10 minutes dear god now I know why everyone says that at the end flies what the hell man did we even talk about technology we did we did okay talked a lot about technology all right good well we could definitely do this again though when are you going to be in town again I don't know right now come on son come up I should know I should know I could make a reason probably I've been here a lot of fun talking to you though man really enjoy thanks for having me we'll definitely do this again for sure follow him online unbox therapy uh YouTube .com forward slash unbox therapy is your channel really cool stuff really cool to have you on here and again we could just go on for days and days and days so we'll definitely have to do this again cool for sure thanks to our sponsor thanks to stamps .com go to stamps dot com use the code word jr and get the one hundred and ten dollar bonus offer which includes a digital scale and up to $55 of free postage.

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[2812] There are very few tickets left for tonight at the Ice House.

[2813] We are in the little room, and Joey Diaz and Domarera are in the big room.

[2814] It's going to be a motherfucking Pasadena party, bitches.

[2815] Tonight we we got Saratiana, Brian Red Band, Tony Hinchcliff, Greg, motherfucking Fitzsimmons, and me as well.

[2816] Good times.

[2817] And it's one of the coolest clubs on the planet Earth, one of the oldest clubs in North America today, started in 1960.

[2818] It's a fucking awesome place.

[2819] A lot of good vibes.

[2820] All right, much love, my friends.

[2821] We'll be back next week.

[2822] Crash from the Float Lab will be here.

[2823] Lots of other stuff coming up.

[2824] I'll talk to you soon.

[2825] Give me a bear care.

[2826] M -W -W -W -W -W -W -L -W.

[2827] See you soon.

[2828] Bye -bye.